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	Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
	Adam Green here with No More News.
	Thank you all for joining me Tuesday, July 15th, 2025.
	Got a huge show for you guys today.
	Return guest, epic guest, Dr. David Scurbina, author of The Jesus Hoax and several other books.
	He did the books, the pen pal with the Unibomber.
	He's got books on philosophy.
	He was a philosophy professor.
	Back on the show to catch up with him and talk about a bunch of issues.
	Gonna be a great one.
	You guys can ask your questions.
	The power chat link is in the description below and in the live chat where we're streaming on Rumble and Odyssey.
	It's gonna be a big one.
	Dr. Scurbina, good to have you back on.
	How are you doing?
	Hi, Adam.
	Yeah, doing great.
	Glad to be back.
	Thanks for having me on the show again.
	Of course.
	I think this is like the maybe fourth or fifth time, possibly.
	And it's been a little while.
	I think the last time you had your update on the Jesus hoax book, you came on.
	You came on to talk about when the Unibomber died as well.
	We did a show just on technology.
	You're warning about a lot of technology stuff.
	I saw you were just on Red Ice the other day.
	That was cool.
	And my friend Henrik at Red Ice.
	And you were also, you spoke at some event in Finland recently as well, right?
	Yes, I did.
	There was a small awakening conference in Finland at the very last minute.
	They got a hold of me, and I happened to be available.
	So I went there and did a little presentation as well.
	So yeah, it was very interesting.
	Cool.
	And we were just talking before we went live.
	You've got a new article up on UNS, UNS review.
	Yes, I do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Actually, well, a couple of them not too long ago.
	One was an open letter to liberals, which I was sort of attacking a liberalist worldview.
	And then most recently, just a day ago, just yesterday, I guess, a piece on the Kerbill catastrophe, which I called God and the Problem of Kerbil, which is attempts to deal with the classic problem of evil as it pertains to the Kerbil flood, and specifically with the loss of the Christian girls' camp and the 27 campers there, which was a tragic event, but it's particularly hard to explain in light of a Christian God.
	So I wrote a piece on that.
	We can go into that a little bit later if you like.
	That's a reason.
	Did you mention that Homeland Security, the Christian Zionist Christy Noam, she thanked God for the children, for the girls that were saved from the floods?
	Isn't that funny?
	A bunch of them die and she's still thanking God because some of them didn't die.
	Yeah, it's funny, right?
	It's always the survivors who say, thank God, I'm alive.
	What about all those other people who are trying to pray to praying to God?
	Like, God stopped us and there was the flood and they're God.
	So it's funny, the survivors are always there left and say, yeah, look, God was looking out for me.
	Well, okay, that doesn't really work.
	But yeah.
	Yeah, we've been seeing a lot of that with Trump, too.
	Trump just posted on the White House Twitter that he was saved by God to save the world from the assassination attempt.
	And it's like, so God saved you, and then the bullet went and hit the firefighter that was right behind you.
	Like, thanks, God.
	Like, it could have, God could have pushed it.
	He used the angel to blow it off the path so that it could have gone in the field, but it still killed the firefighter, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	He must have been an atheist or something, I guess.
	Yeah, final destination.
	He had it coming or something.
	But yeah, they always do that.
	So what is like, can you summarize the take on that?
	Like the problem with evil and suffering?
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah, sure.
	I mean, a classic Christian God has two main characteristics, a lot of characteristics.
	We can debate about them, but the two main ones are he's all-powerful and he's all good.
	So he's always doing the best, the best outcome, wants the best for humanity.
	And of course, he's all-powerful, can do anything he wants instantly.
	So when natural disasters like this happen, you sort of have to wonder how did this all-good God, who could have easily in many different ways prevented, stopped, altered, or deflected the flood, somehow he didn't do any of that and he let it go rushing down that flood zone and wiped out the girls' camp and killed 120 plus people now that we're up to.
	So the question is how to explain it, right?
	How can you have an all-good, all-powerful God when something terribly evil like the loss of 27 nice innocent little Christian girls who presumably had never done a thing wrong in their lives suddenly had this horrible, tragic, terrible death?
	So the answer is there's no solution.
	Philosophers of very smart people have been arguing about this for like 2,000 years, literally.
	And the point is it just doesn't make sense.
	It's really not possible.
	You cannot have a God who's all good and all-powerful and these catastrophic evil events happen, which have no explanation.
	So either he's not all-powerful, which that strikes a major pillar of God, or he's not all good.
	So he's a little bit evil or partly evil, or both.
	Maybe he's neither all good or all not all-powerful, or he just doesn't exist.
	That's certainly a possibility.
	But those are all radical conclusions that totally undermine the basic picture of God.
	And when the basic picture has been altered, then you have to ask, well, what else are we wrong about?
	Because we think we know a lot about God, but it turns out we actually really don't know anything about God.
	So the problem of evil is a huge, it's a huge entry point into undermining the whole basic concept of the Judeo-Christian God, which is all good and all-powerful.
	Now, if you have a different conception of God, you don't necessarily have that problem, but the Christians have this huge problem, and it's thrust in their face every year, every periodically, every natural disaster, every mass shooting, every, you know, every pandemic, all these kind of nasty things that happen to it where lots of innocent people die, and God just sits there and watches it, watches it go.
	So, yeah, it's a huge event.
	There's no good solution.
	I've argued with, I presented this in, you know, many students for many years, and everybody likes to have their own little pet answers, but it just doesn't work.
	Do you address any of the Christian apologetics, the pet answers that they have?
	Oh, yeah, there's a whole bunch of standards, standard responses.
	And I actually mentioned five or six of them in my piece on huns.
	But yeah, I mean, there's only so many responses people can come up with.
	And, you know, they actually do more damage than solution.
	They don't really solve anything.
	It's, you know, it kind of amounts to just like, well, ignorance.
	It's like, well, we just don't know why he did that.
	It's a mystery.
	It's just a big mystery.
	Exactly.
	It's just all big mystery.
	And so, well, then everything's a mystery.
	So you don't know anything about this guy, what he's like, what he wants.
	Is he even there?
	Is he care?
	Is he listening to you?
	You don't know anything.
	So you can't have your cake in either two.
	You can't have a big mystery and then say, well, I know what God likes and I'm doing his will.
	And he's happy and he likes me.
	Yeah, it doesn't work.
	You just can't do that.
	So the biggest cope I hear about the problem of suffering is free will.
	Is that one that you address in there?
	It's probably the test of the it is because there's two kinds of evil.
	There's natural evil and man-made, human-caused moral evil, we would call it right.
	So yeah, if you have a mass shooting, you've got some guy, some lunatic who goes crazy and you know, mows down a bunch of innocent people.
	So that's a free will question.
	That has a whole different set of replies, which I've responded to in the past.
	But the flood in particular is interesting because it's a natural disaster.
	And I guess you could say, well, there's a little bit of free will because they built those cabins in the flood zone and the warnings weren't really working the way they should have.
	So there was some little free will component there.
	But basically, a natural disaster like a flood or a hurricane or earthquake.
	I mean, these aren't really free will events.
	So the free will defense, the so-called free will defense, does not really work here for natural disasters.
	Yeah, and also like when a little baby is suffering and in pain and dying from cancer in the hospital, or they're born with birth defects and their parents were good, moral Christians that were praying for the well-being and the whole churches are praying for the baby to get better and healed from the cancer.
	But then they die a painful, terrible death and God is nowhere to be found.
	Like whose free will caused that?
	Yeah, exactly.
	The baby that's never done anything wrong.
	It's her fault, her free will.
	That's who suffered.
	And then meanwhile, there's like UFC fighters and rappers thanking God for winning their fight or winning this like rap award and stuff.
	And that's what God's busy spending his time with, right?
	Doing those things or showing up in the cloud or on a piece of toast, but while the children while the children suffer and die.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, I mean, right, he rewards the lunatics and the losers and the lowlifes and the and the good and innocent people.
	They get to suffer and die.
	And yeah, it's a bad, it's a bad situation for in terms of trying to explain what this is like and what this God is like.
	It just, it's a whole host of problems.
	So, yeah.
	Another cope I've heard is like, well, God just wanted to bring home his child early.
	Like they get to go be with God.
	So actually, it's a good thing.
	It's the endless copes.
	So many copes.
	One side, you know, when we address the Jesus hoax, like you do in your book or your books, I should say, in articles, when you address the Christian problem, one side on the internet of Christian e-crusaders will lie and say that we're working for people or we don't really think this or we're secret Jews or stuff.
	And then the other side, the academic and atheist and other side will say that we're anti-Semites.
	This is coming from hate, right?
	But different copes from the opposite sides of the spectrum.
	You've gotten a little bit of that, I've seen, over your book on panpsychism.
	They're trying to claim that's Jewish or some stupid shit.
	So I'd like to hear a little bit about your panpsychism book and what that's about and how that relates to like monotheism and Judaism or any of that stuff.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Right.
	So panpsychism comes from panpsyche.
	Everything, everything in the universe has a kind of psyche, which is a sort of a consciousness or an awareness.
	And it's, you know, sounds like sort of a bizarre idea, kind of a mystic sort of a thing, maybe Easter religion or something.
	People at first glance, it sounds a little crazy, like everything has a kind of a psyche or a mind or a soul, I guess you could sort of say, if you want to use religious terms.
	But really, it's a very, so I did a lot of research.
	This was, you know, going back 20 years for my PhD.
	A lot of research on this whole idea.
	It turns out to be a very deeply held idea in the West by some very brilliant philosophers in the Western tradition.
	So it's not some fringe, crazy, you know, lunatic idea.
	It's really a very mainstream idea that has fallen out of favor for certain specific reasons.
	So it sounds crazy at first, but it actually has a long and noble history, and it actually has very solid arguments in its favor even today.
	So it's a really kind of an interesting sort of idea, but it's kind of particularly relevant as it relates to religion because, you know, as I explain in the beginning parts of my book there, Panpsychism in the West, it's really kind of like the original religious view of humanity.
	If we go back to the beginning of, say, human culture, so we're talking maybe 30 or 40,000 years ago, as far as people sort of had some conception of the world in themselves, they seem to have held what we would call today an animist viewpoint.
	So everything in nature was animated, right?
	So the animals in nature were animated, the trees and the plants were animated, the lakes and the streams and the forests and the mountains and the clouds and the sky, things in the sky.
	Everything was animated for original indigenous peoples.
	And that made sense.
	I mean, things have mysterious powers and they acted in sort of intelligent sort of ways.
	There was a kind of a logic to the way Things happened in nature, and it made sense.
	There was a kind of a kind of a conscious awareness behind all this stuff.
	Over time, as we got a little bit more sophisticated, we imputed personal identities to those things.
	So, there was a kind of a god of the wolf, you know, or a god of the sea, or a god of the sky, or a god of the rain, you know.
	So, these became gods, like divine superhuman beings, and we gave them names, and we created stories and mythologies about these guys.
	And so, the first theology that came from animism was polytheism, right?
	There are many gods in the universe, and gods are behind the animals and the plants and things in the sky, and so forth.
	So, that held for a very long time.
	Things changed, as far as we know, with the coming of the Pharaoh Akhenaten in Egypt.
	I don't know if you're aware of much of his story or if you know about him.
	He was the father of King Tut, actually.
	He lived around 1300 BC, and he was apparently the first monotheist in history, 1300 BC.
	And he was sort of a really brilliant individual.
	I wrote his, well, yeah, I edited a version of his story in the book Son of God, Son of the Sun, by Savitri Devi.
	I think it's on my book list there.
	And so, Akhenaten was kind of a kind of a brilliant thinker.
	He came up with this idea that the sun was the sole God.
	So, there was like a one God system.
	There it is.
	Yeah.
	The sun was the God.
	And the emanation from the God, which was the heat or the energy, we would say, he didn't use the word energy, but the energy from the sun created everything.
	So, it was a very monistic view from Akhenaten.
	And there was this one God of the Sun, the Aten, A-T-E-N, the Aten, was the one God.
	It was really a kind of a really visionary, huge intellectual breakthrough to come up with this sort of idea.
	It's really kind of a striking story.
	Yeah, that was 1300 BC.
	You know, Akhenaten had a very short reign.
	He got overthrown.
	The priests didn't like his story.
	They sort of tried to obliterate his memory.
	They destroyed most of the records and they went back to the old polytheism because that kept them in power.
	There's a whole power structure based around polytheism.
	They didn't like this new monotheism, so they got rid of Akhenaten and his ideas.
	So we bounced back and forth there for a while.
	Eventually, of course, along comes the Hebrew tribes in the Middle East.
	And they apparently, in the very early days, they also were kind of polytheists.
	But at some early point, they seem to have migrated to something like monotheism when they decided that their one tribe was the best, the blessed, right, the chosen tribe, and that their one God was the best God.
	So they kind of moved to this view that, you know, there is only one God, and it's our God.
	It's the Jewish God.
	And he chose us.
	And he chose us, and we're the best.
	And everybody else is somehow different and subhuman and so forth, right?
	So yeah, so that was sort of one piece that was going on in the Middle East.
	In Greece, the Greek philosophers, before they really even knew much about the Jews, this was about the same time, about 600, 500 BC.
	The Greek philosophers, they sort of also migrated towards monism, but they kept the polytheism, which now became something like panpsychism.
	So the early Greek philosophers, including the big name guys like Plato and Aristotle, were basically panpsychists.
	They sort of said, look, everything in the cosmos has a psyche, a kind of a psychic component to it.
	But everything is kind of one, sort of one stuff.
	So there was the early pre-Sophonic philosophers talked about everything that was either water or fire or air.
	So we had these unified monistic worldviews combined with a sort of a panpsychism.
	And that was, again, that was at the very basic basis of Greek philosophy, which is the basis of actually Western civilization.
	So the Greeks were developing kind of this panpsychist idea.
	The Jews, on the other hand, were pushing their monotheist view.
	And those came into conflict, right?
	Because if you got one God who's all-powerful and he blesses just one little tribe of humans, you're really sort of monopolizing the spiritual or conscious power in your God and in your tribe, right?
	So there are no other gods out there.
	There are no other blessed people, right?
	Other human beings are basically animals, right?
	They don't even have souls.
	I guess there was some early Jewish theology that said humans don't even have souls, other humans.
	So there's panpsychism.
	So yeah, so there was an interesting conflict where the Judeo-Christian view of a very hardcore monotheism struggled against the older polytheist, panpsychist view.
	And there was kind of a clash of these two worldviews.
	And then of course, as the Roman Empire collapsed over time and Judeo-Christian views took over dominance in Europe, then they brought along the monotheism.
	They brought along the monistic view of the Judeo-Christian God.
	And that pushed out the older ideas of the panpsychist views and the polytheistic views.
	So it was really kind of another defeat, an ideological defeat of panpsychism by Christian monotheism.
	And yeah, it's been a struggle ever since.
	It's been a struggle for 2,000 years.
	We had many break-name philosophers since then who realized that panpsychism actually was much more rational view.
	And there's a few of them mentioned there.
	Spinoza, Leibniz, Schopenhauer, William James, Whitehead, Russell, and many more.
	There's a few dozen that are actually promoting that view.
	So it's really an interesting view that really is fundamentally in contrast with the traditional Christian view, which sucks up all the spirituality out of nature.
	There's no spirit of nature.
	There's no spirit in the animals, nothing in the plants, nothing in nature itself.
	It's all in God in heaven, and it's in human beings, and specifically only in Jewish human beings, right?
	If you take the traditional Old Testament view.
	So yeah, just really kind of an interesting contrast in ideas over time there.
	So basically, it's like the pre-Christian, pre-Jewish understanding of the nature and divine and God.
	And it seems to be a little bit more plausible than what we read in the Bible.
	Well, yeah, I mean, right.
	It was the dominant view in ancient Greece, right?
	All the pre-Socratics and Plato and Aristotle really bought into this view.
	And that was really the foundation of Western thinking.
	And yeah, I mean, had that survived, you know, as the dominant view, you'd have a whole different trajectory of History in Europe rather than a Judeo-Christian view, which, of course, paints a completely different picture and introduces the concept of sin and heaven and hell and all that.
	We really had nothing like that in the polytheist and panpsychist view of the Greeks.
	The contrast, it's almost like they see the world as divine, nature as representing God, whereas Christians in Judaism, they kind of see this world as like fallen and like worldly evil, and they're more focused on the afterlife and heaven.
	Is there any other examples of like the contrast between panpsychism and like Yahwehism and how it results in like real world behaviors or actions?
	Well, yeah, I mean, it puts people at home in the universe, right?
	So, under the Christian view, we're some even if you accept that all humans have a soul or a psyche, we're like bizarre exceptions to the whole cosmic order, right?
	Because under the Christian view, no one has a soul except us, no one's in God's image except us, right?
	God gave the world to us, not anybody else.
	So, we're this really exceptional, unique aberration in the whole scheme of nature that puts puts a big burden on us and it puts makes us like strangers in the world.
	We're like this like aberrant, you know, mutant-sided creature that somehow doesn't belong, doesn't fit in with everything else in the universe because we're so different and unusual.
	And, you know, you get this, you could obviously play it up as a kind of a kind of a hubristic sort of thing, like what we're better than everything else, but that's you know, seems to be pure nonsense.
	So, um, it's it's kind of this idea that somehow we don't belong, which is really true.
	In a Christian view, we don't really belong in the world.
	In a panpsychist view, we fit very naturally and logically into the whole sweep of nature.
	We're part of a conscious universe.
	Everything around us is sort of a conscious, aware entities.
	You know, we fit very naturally into the flow of things.
	We're part of this larger consciousness.
	We're maybe part of God in some sense.
	If you want to look at the whole universe as kind of a conscious entity, which we can certainly take that view, that's part of panpsychism.
	So, it's much more compatible, sympathetic, integrated sort of view where we're not strangers.
	We're actually part of the universe.
	We don't have this whole problem of sin and suffering, you know, and threats of going to heaven and hell, all that goes away.
	All that sort of moral baggage all goes away because you don't have that in a sort of a naturalistic panpsychist universe.
	So, it's a it's a you can you can sort of compose a theology about it.
	It's sort of revering the entire universe as sort of a divine thing, divine cosmic conscious thing.
	But it's none of this heaven and hell, sin, you know, blame the sinners, and and you know, you know, please save me kind of stuff.
	That all goes away.
	So, it's a really completely different conceptual outlook.
	I've noticed Christians like to say that, like, humans are.
	I mean, obviously, we've got the most advanced brains and language and technology and everything.
	I'm not denying that, but to say that, like, we didn't evolve and we're not apes, we're not a part of the primate family because they believe Genesis and Adam and Eve story and that we're made in God's image, so we're special.
	Like, I've argued with Christians, and they'll say, no, only we have souls.
	Because I try, I talk about, well, what's with animal free will?
	Like, if the God's all-loving, why has He caused animals to eat each other alive, you know, trillions of times throughout history?
	Like, there was no better way to cause less suffering.
	And it's like, uh, they didn't take the apple, they're not, they're not fallen.
	What's their free will?
	You know, that type of argument.
	But that reminds me of another point, the transcendental argument.
	That's when a lot of times, when I'm arguing with Orthodox Christians or Christians in general, they don't want to talk about the Bible.
	They don't want to talk about how it's obvious mythology created by Jews.
	They want to just go to, well, you can't say my God is bad or immoral without having a God's mind to know what is good and moral.
	So, it's like a circular begging the question type of thing.
	Also, unfalsifiable.
	They'll also say, you can't say that the Bible's not true without having objective truth that can only come from God.
	So, you're a philosopher.
	What is your response to this transcendental argument that some of these Christian apologists have been really heavily leaning on in the debate space online?
	Yeah, it's a bizarre kind of argument to say you cannot dispute God without some concept of God.
	Therefore, he must exist because you're even arguing about him, his existence or his character or nature.
	You know, yeah, so it's a semantic thing, right?
	So, what do you call God, right?
	I mean, I'm sort of, if you want, if you want to push me and say, well, if you want to call the universe God, I guess that's cool.
	I mean, I've sort of argued defense of pantheism, which says basically the whole universe is God.
	So, if you want, if you want, if you want to push me into a theological position, I'm going to say, okay, well, there's a God and he's the universe and everything that's in it.
	And that's what God is.
	And so, I can argue and defend that concept of God far more coherently than you can of a Christian, Judeo-Christian, all-good, all-powerful God.
	So, so I can come up with other forms of God that are much more logically coherent than they can.
	It's not a question of absolute proof.
	I guess that's sort of the other piece.
	No one can absolutely prove their position on these kind of things because they're abstract metaphysical speculations.
	And I said this right at the beginning of my Jesus hoax cook.
	I mean, right, the most ardent believers can't prove their view.
	And I guess technically, I can't prove my view that Jesus was a hoax or that God is not really what he seems or that maybe God doesn't even exist.
	I mean, those things are not amenable to absolute proof.
	It's really a plausibility kind of an argument.
	So, I can build a very strong case that Jesus was a constructed figure by Paul for a specific purpose.
	I have lots of evidence and I have lots of circumstantial data, and I can really build a plausible, logical argument.
	If you want to say that Jesus was the Son of God who came here and died for everybody's sins and worked miracles, and then he was risen up.
	I mean, you got a lot of rational problems to explain how that could happen when there's no evidence.
	We don't have any signs, we don't have any contemporaneous evidence, we don't have the documents from the year.
	There's lots of logical problems with that view.
	So, it's really a battle of plausibility arguments.
	You're making a case of feasibility, and that's really all that we're both stuck with that on both sides.
	I guess I, you know, it's not blaming anybody.
	There's just the nature of the situation, unless God himself shows up and resolves things or Jesus comes back here and decides he's going to answer questions for us.
	I don't think that'll be happening.
	So, we have to base our arguments on plausible conditions.
	And the plausible, rational case is far stronger.
	It's not even close for something like a Jesus hoax view or a very restricted view of God, or maybe God is the universe.
	But, you know, traditional Jesus story, traditional God, those, those Just completely collapse when they're subject to any kind of rational analysis.
	I've talked about the Jesus hoax a lot on my show, but I would like you to give you a minute or two just to describe in your view, in your own words.
	Make sure you give them the latest edition.
	Right.
	So, this is my second edition of the book.
	This is what you'll buy now.
	I don't think you can't buy that older version anymore.
	Okay.
	I only had that on digital copy, so I can't hold that.
	I'll send you a hard copy of that.
	Okay.
	But yeah, in your own words, your own summary, what is the Jesus hoax in your view?
	Yeah, so, right, the whole Jesus story is highly implausible to say it's virtually impossible the way it's portrayed in the Bible.
	You know, we don't have contemporaneous evidence, substantiating evidence.
	If, in fact, some miracle man comes to earth working miracles, vast miracles in front of thousands of people in some cases, there's going to be a vast amount of documentation, if nothing else, about his existence, what he did, and so forth from the time that he did those things, from his lifetime.
	And we have a very specific time span, right?
	We know supposedly he lived from, what, the year 30 to 33 or something like that, maybe 27 to the year 30, something in there.
	A very narrow, specific timeframe when Jesus supposedly lived and did his miracles and then was crucified.
	So you would expect a whole host of documentation from that time by people who had seen or heard about these miracle stories.
	And it would be from believers, from skeptics, from the Romans who were in charge at that time, from fellow Jews who didn't believe that this Jesus guy was the Messiah.
	You would have had all kinds of conflicting stories that many of which you imagine hundreds would have survived that were written at that time or very shortly thereafter.
	And instead, the first shocking fact is we got nothing.
	I mean, zero, nothing at all from the entire time from Jesus' birth through his crucifixion for the next several decades.
	We have nothing, absolutely nothing, absolutely zero.
	So nobody mentions this miracle man, the son of God.
	God comes to earth in human form.
	Nobody in the world from that time mentions it, or at least there's zero surviving documents, which is an astounding improbability in any case.
	So there's the absolute lack of corroborating evidence from that time.
	That's sort of one huge strike against the Jesus story.
	The other huge strike is from what we know about the Jesus comes from the New Testament.
	New Testament seems to have been written decades after the fact.
	So when we date the letters from Paul, which are at least 20 to 30 years after the crucifixion, when we date the Gospels, they're 30 to 60 years after the crucifixion.
	And these are supposed to be the verbatim literal comments from this guy, Jesus, from decades ago, right?
	So it's virtually impossible.
	We all know how stories change over time, and people tell somebody who tells somebody who tells somebody else.
	And passing through word of mouth, and everything gets expanded and accelerated, makes a little better stories.
	So you have this decades of passing along of ideas if, in fact, that's what it was.
	And then supposedly somebody writes it down in the year 80 or 90, which is when the gospels were written.
	So that doesn't make any sense either.
	So the Jesus hoax thesis says that maybe there's a different story.
	Maybe somebody like Paul and a handful of his fellow Jewish cohort decide that they're going to create a divine Jesus, not for the Jews, but for the Gentiles, to get them attracted to or sucked into a basically Jewish worldview to pull them away from the basically Roman view, which was the dominant view, the controlling view at the time, a Greco-Roman view, which we just talked about, was panpsychist, polytheist.
	And so Paul and his buddies, you know, are thinking, you know, how can we undermine the power of Rome?
	They must have hated the Roman intruders who threw the Jews out of power, were running the show, desecrating the temple.
	And so it's plausible.
	The most plausible story is that Paul invents a divine Jesus.
	Very basic, Paul's very stripped-down Jesus.
	His letters are very, very stripped-down theology.
	And he starts to promulgate a church, and then Paul dies, and then the gospel writers pick up the story and they flesh it out.
	They say, look, we've got to turn this Jesus into a real human.
	We've got to come up with a virgin birth.
	We've got to have the star of Bethlehem and the three wise men and all this nice stuff.
	So we really kind of flesh out this guy as a human being.
	And, you know, we introduce the miracles.
	There's no miracles in the letters of Paul.
	Some of the Jesus is doing all these miracles and these stories from decades later.
	So it really becomes a bogus story.
	It's a hoax.
	It's a constructed story of this miracle man, Jesus, for the benefit of the Gentiles to draw them into worshiping a rabbi who Jesus, I think, was probably a real mortal rabbi who got killed.
	I believe he probably actually did live.
	He got crucified.
	He died.
	He's buried somewhere today.
	Maybe even the Talpia tomb.
	Maybe they even found his remains.
	There's a little bit of controversy about that.
	But he was just a mortal guy.
	And then Paul and his fellow Jews created a bogus story, a Jesus hoax, created a religion around them to draw in the masses and to sort of undermine them to undermine the power of Rome.
	So that's, in a nutshell, that's sort of the story that I'm the case that I'm making in the Jesus hoax book.
	So Jews created a mythical Messiah to theologically conquer Rome and the rest of the non-Jewish world in a nutshell.
	Right.
	In the end, that's what happened, of course.
	It took about 300 years.
	They just started with little bits and pieces.
	They wanted to build up this little church network of believers in this anti-Roman, pro-Jewish ideology, which is what Christianity, the early Christianity was.
	And I mean, it still is.
	It's still a pro-Jewish ideology.
	You're buying into the Jewish Bible.
	You're buying into Jesus, the rabbi, you're buying into worshiping the Jewish God, Jehovah.
	Those are all sort of nice, convenient outcomes for Paul and his followers.
	And it was all anti-Rome, anti-Greece, anti-the power of Europe at the time.
	And right, that's sort of, that's really a poisonous kind of ideology.
	And when that grows and builds over a few hundred years, then yeah, it's going to destroy society.
	And in a sense, that's what it did.
	It really destroyed the Roman society.
	Yeah, it's like, okay, you can just say it's accidents or this is just myths that got a life of their own and went out of hand.
	But at some point, people are committing fraud.
	They're passing off things that didn't happen as if they did.
	They're creating forgeries with pseudopigraphy and just making up events.
	So what we're talking about here is lies.
	These are lies.
	It's forgery, fraud, lies, a hoax, a deception, a ploy.
	Exactly.
	I mean, you got to call it for what it is.
	They are passing off falsehood as truth, right?
	They're telling people things they know are not true.
	They know they have no evidence for.
	No one has any evidence for.
	And they're selling the story like the literal truth.
	So, yeah, they're just outright liars.
	I call Pauli the master liar, the supreme liar of history, because he's promoting something that he does not believe and he knows is false, but he's doing it anyway, right?
	So, well, he says he's not a liar, though.
	One of his epistles, he ends with, I do not lie.
	So, I believe him.
	There's at least three times, and he's like, Oh, believe me, I'm not a liar.
	Yeah, okay, that's that's the pathological liar who you know pleads his innocence, right?
	Oh, just believe me.
	I would never tell you a lie, says the used car salesman, right?
	Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.
	But, you know, I guess, you know, and some people, I mean, it's really surprising how few people even can go that far.
	There's very few, I mean, talking, you know, theological experts and Christians, the very few who can even accept that they were sold a lie, that these guys outright lied.
	Very few can go there, but the last step they really can't get over that last hurdle is why did they lie, right?
	And they keep wondering, well, why would these guys lie?
	Why would they lie to us?
	You know, it was so dangerous to lie.
	I was like, because they hated Rome.
	They hated the Gentiles.
	They were going to use this against them.
	They had a motive.
	They were building themselves up as part of the church, using against the Gentiles, using against the Roman Empire.
	It was a clear, there was a clear motive to do this, right?
	To build this kind of anti-Roman ideology.
	So you've got to admit the lies.
	You've got to admit the motive.
	There's no other better motive.
	No one else can explain the motive.
	Even the Jesus mythicists out there, you know, maybe we'll talk about Carrier and Price and some of these guys, who, even if they go, they'll go right up to the point of, well, there was some lies told, and then they collapse.
	They fall like a house of cards because they can't explain the motive because the motive causes them problems.
	Because now you have to explain this as sort of a Jewish conspiracy.
	I mean, literally, it is a kind of a conspiracy to undermine the Gentiles.
	And nobody can go there.
	It's really, really kind of shocking how that last logical step, no one seems to go there except, you know, I don't know, maybe you and I, and maybe a handful of other people on the whole planet, I think.
	But yeah.
	Okay.
	Shoot, hold on.
	I got this messed up here.
	Let me share screen and we'll go right into the Robert Price clip here.
	Yeah, sure.
	Actually, let me just go to this and get this thing shared here.
	I got to do and share sound.
	Oh, wait.
	No, we'll do this one and share sound.
	There we go.
	Uh-oh.
	Oh, that's weird.
	All right.
	So you're going to be off the screen here for a second, but here's Dr. Robert Price.
	He's one of the world's leading mythicists, wrote many books on this.
	One of the modern pioneers of exposing that Jesus is a myth.
	He agrees that it was Jews that invented this myth.
	But when you ask, well, who did it and why?
	What was the motive?
	Well, that's a question you're not allowed to ask.
	Let's watch this.
	Let's see.
	We got a couple more.
	John Wilde says, Jake, thank you for the 20, by the way.
	Appreciate that.
	Now, if only we could get Adam Green from No More News into this discussion.
	Actually, I think Adam Green should have you on his channel, maybe.
	I don't know.
	I think that'd be.
	Adam Green is a mythicist, and he's really dedicated to this.
	I think, yeah, you shoot you.
	Do you know who that is or no?
	I was on with, I think, an Adam Green once.
	Sort of a, though I didn't know at the time, I hesitated to say this because I may have the wrong guy, but I'm pretty sure that was the name.
	This guy was an anti-Semite, and it didn't come up while we were.
	I mean, I began to get a little suspicious.
	The reason why he gets called that, I talked to him before.
	Criticizing Judaism or saying Jews created Jesus and it's a myth to theologically conquer the world is apparently anti-Semitic to Robert Price.
	Here, I'll finish the rest and then we'll get back to this.
	I actually think he was too.
	And then he's like, no, I'm not, dude.
	Find me where I'm at being anti-Semitic.
	And I was like, I don't know, dude.
	I just heard you are.
	He's like, no, everything I pointed out is about religious fundamentalist Judaism.
	He's like, he just happens to be the, I talk about it so much that that label just came to me.
	I said to me, if this was the same man, that he thought Jews cooked up Christianity to corrupt or defeat the Gentiles or enslave them.
	He might have that little bit of that going on.
	If he did, then once I found that, I was like, well, that's, you know, good luck to you, but I don't know.
	In a way, he's not wrong because Christianity is from Jewish people who are trying to evangelize.
	They're trying to take, they're trying to win.
	They're trying to promote their.
	I just don't, I don't know if that necessarily means they're evil because they're doing that.
	I don't know if there's anything that's anti-Semitic about saying that, but whatever.
	I don't want to get into this discussion.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Anyways.
	All right.
	There we are.
	So, isn't that interesting?
	He thinks Jews cooked up Christianity.
	Like, haven't you been writing for decades that Christianity began as a Jewish movement?
	For what?
	Why did they cook it up, Robert Price?
	Do I need to go through and show you all the verses about what the Messiah is supposed to do in Judaism?
	Your thoughts, David?
	Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
	It's like he either knows what's coming and he just either can't bring himself to go there or he's deliberate.
	I mean, more likely he's because he's a smart guy.
	He knows his stuff.
	He's just avoiding it.
	He's literally avoiding it either because he's afraid of what's the blowback, you know, if he starts talking about this.
	You know, or just kind of what kind of discussion that's going to lead to.
	So, you know, to me, these guys, when you're on board as a Jesus mythicist, you know, you really got to follow logic through to the end and say, well, look, you know, what's the most plausible motive?
	They're just talking about a handful of Jews, you know, 2,000 years ago.
	I don't know what's intrinsically anti-Semitic about that.
	You know, so just give us the straight story, you know, at least have the debate, even if you don't want to talk about it, at least be honest enough to have the debate about the topic.
	And he won't even do that, right?
	He won't even go there.
	He won't talk about it.
	Doesn't want to talk about the arguments, won't debate you, won't debate me.
	I've seen Price twice in person.
	I've spoken to him twice live.
	He was in my campus a couple of times.
	And it was the same kind of thing.
	In so many words, he wouldn't go there.
	I grilled him on the Nietzschean thesis, which basically says, you know, Paul constructed aspects of this all religion, wouldn't deal with it, wouldn't respond to it, wouldn't refute it, just didn't want to talk about it.
	So it's either a kind of a cowardice or just a fear of what he thinks might come from this.
	So I don't know.
	And either way, it's just a loss of integrity.
	If the guy can't follow through his logic to the end, I mean, that's really doesn't say much for his character.
	Yeah, he literally just threw up his hands.
	Oh, he thinks Jews cooked it up to theologically conquer Rome.
	Okay, you want to debate that if you're denying that?
	He knows it's true, by the way.
	And they do, I find it interesting that Robert Price is more than happy to entertain that the Romans created Christianity as some big conspiracy, right?
	To subvert Judaism and Jews.
	He's fine with doing that.
	And it's interesting, too.
	The carrier did this also.
	It's like they're trying to claim that we're blaming all Jews today for Christianity.
	That is not the case at all whatsoever.
	Not even all Jews of the past.
	It was a small sect of Jews, maybe just even a handful that would have been in on this conspiracy.
	And it's also, it's like an open conspiracy.
	All you got to do is read the Bible without the lens of being a believer.
	And it's like obvious right there.
	So I want to debate Robert Price.
	I'm sure you do too.
	I'd love to see you guys debate as well and defend this.
	You can't just wave your hand and say, oh, it's anti-Semitic to say Jews created Christianity.
	And it's like almost everybody in the world that's not a Christian knows that Christianity, Jesus was Jewish.
	It began as a Jewish messianic movement.
	That the Messiah is meant to rule the world, rule the nations.
	There's only like a hundred verses in the Bible about that.
	And that Jesus is a myth.
	They know that the story in the Bible is a myth.
	Otherwise, they would be Christians.
	So everybody that's not a Christian already agrees.
	It's a Jewish myth.
	Who and why did they do it, Robert Price?
	And you getting to, this isn't working, too, exclaiming, oh, it's anti-Semitic.
	I don't want anything to do with that.
	You're a coward and you're a disgrace, and everybody sees it.
	Yeah, it's a shame.
	And these people get, you know, they get the notoriety as sort of, you know, leading critical thinkers of Jesus or something.
	They get the publicity.
	And, you know, like I said in my book, they're like in the Jesus business.
	You know, they like to keep the business flowing and they like to, you know, keep their mainstream media interviews.
	And so you can only say so much.
	And I guess maybe that's their motive.
	They just want to keep the business going.
	But, you know.
	To be fair, the mythicists aren't even getting a lot of business.
	They're not getting big interviews.
	The Jesus mythicism is already suppressed in academia with the Bart Ehrmans and stuff.
	And we know, like, the context of Robert Price is he had just been canceled by the ultra-leftist, like, woke mob and biblical studies.
	They're calling him a racist and an anti-Semite and whatever, just basically because he's like a boomer right-winger.
	That's that's the end of the world.
	So they had canceled him from all the shows.
	They had just brought him back.
	And they're terrified of all of biblical studies is terrified of criticizing Judaism.
	Like, you know, we only go on YouTube and find hours of rabbis talking about their supremacist beliefs and how they're going to rule the world and how we're meant to be their servants.
	And they'll never cover that.
	They'll only criticize Christianity and Islam in a limited way.
	And they don't tie it back to that this is all forms of Judaism and Judaism is a religion on world domination.
	I'm not saying there's every Jews in a conspiracy to rule the world, but this is what the religion is.
	And we have the right to criticize religions.
	Exactly right.
	You know, there's what I've come to call the master equation of the Old Testament.
	And it's like you said, it's right there in black and white.
	You don't even have to argue about it.
	Just read about it, right?
	On the one hand, there's this embedded misanthropic, right?
	A misanthropic outlook, sort of a hatred of other humanity, of Gentiles' humanity, or detesting them or downgrading them.
	Very misanthropic outlook.
	That's sort of one piece.
	The second piece is this idea of God gave the world to us, meaning us Jews, to rule the world.
	So this idea of God-given dominion to the Jews to rule over the whole world, particularly over the detested Gentiles, because you have this misanthropic outlook.
	So when you combine those two components, which are black and white, it's just you have to read the Old Testament.
	You've got the misanthropic outlook.
	You've got the world dominion that was given by God.
	When you combine those two, that's, to me, that's the fundamental equation that leads to the Jewish supremacism, which they feel like anything is justified.
	Anything is rational in their eyes because we are working with a detested Gentile population.
	We can do anything we want to dominate them because that's what God told us to do.
	So anything is fair game, whether it's a Jesus hoax, you know, 2,000 years ago or there's, you know, parallel actions.
	I mean, just look at Gaza today, right?
	We're just crushing the non-Jews in the cause of Jewish supremacism.
	It's a different sort of story, but it's rooted in the basic equation, right?
	Which is the misanthropic outlook, the God-given dominion, and that leads to a ruthless kind of Jewish supremacism.
	So we've seen it 2,000 years ago.
	We see it today.
	It's all throughout history.
	I mean, it's just read the history.
	That's not really even debatable.
	And I've seen Robert Price on with Rabbi Tovia Singer saying how he's praising his work of creating, turning Christians to be Noahides, and he supports Judaism and thinks Judaism is beautiful and all this stuff.
	Big surprise.
	So here's just, and I could go, I have done this in debates.
	I could go hours showing all the verses about how the Messiah in Judaism is meant to rule over the Gentiles, Dr. Price and Richard Carrier.
	And they know this.
	The worst part is that they definitely know this.
	And all they can do is do ad hominem and straw man and fallacious attacks, which they'll cry when there's fallacious attacks done against them.
	And they'll turn around and do them to us.
	So here's Daniel 7.
	Obviously, Jesus is the son of man in the New Testament.
	What does the Son of Man do?
	He has authority, glory, power.
	All the nations and peoples of every language worship him.
	His dominion is everlasting, and his kingdom will not be destroyed.
	So ruling all the world, believing in the God of the Messiah and the God of the Jews, that is the conspiracy.
	It's not a hidden conspiracy.
	It's right there, plain as day.
	Here's Paul even referencing a messianic prophecy.
	He says the root of Jesse, who he's describing as Jesus, will arise to rule over the nations.
	Rule over the world.
	Rule over the Goyam means nations, by the way.
	Same word, yeah.
	Right.
	And then Psalm 110, which is identifying the priest forever in the order of Melchizedek, which is quoted like seven times in the book of Hebrews in the New Testament.
	What is this Messiah supposed to do?
	Jesus, which they interpreted this to be about Jesus, make his enemies a footstool.
	And this Messiah will extend the scepter from Zion, saying, rule in the midst of your enemies.
	Hey, Dr. Price, where does Jesus rule?
	In Rome?
	Who are the enemies of the Jews?
	So calling this an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory is not going to cut it, Dr. Price.
	Stop running cover for Jewish supremacy and Judaism.
	We can see right through it.
	Exactly.
	Should we do the Carrier clip too?
	And then I want to talk to you about Christian-controlled opposition.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Just do the Carrier one as well.
	That's a good clip.
	All right.
	Let me get this shared again.
	Shout out, Think for Yourself for asking this question.
	So how do you feel about, you know, we have Adam Green, who's referenced you.
	He's actually said that you're one of the reasons that inspired his show.
	So how do you feel about his opinion, his interpretation of?
	Yeah, so I don't watch all of his stuff, but I've seen enough.
	I love that these guys have such strong opinions about me and are willing to trash me when they barely even know who I am and have not watched much of anything of my work.
	That's a sign that they're bullshitting to see that he's misusing my material, right?
	So it's a good example of when he shows me talking about ancient Judaism.
	And I very specifically say Judaism, the religion.
	I'm talking about the religion, not the Jews.
	And I'm talking about ancient Judaism, not modern Judaism or anything like that.
	And then he spins that.
	Carrier, does modern Judaism believe in the same books as ancient Judaism?
	He acts like rabbis today believe a completely different religion.
	If anything, it's worse.
	I think it's all the same stuff.
	It hasn't changed.
	That's their point.
	It hasn't changed.
	Yeah.
	His example is that I'm supposedly misusing his work or like took him out of context.
	I did nothing of the sort.
	When I'm criticizing these things, I'm referring to Judaism.
	Not all Jews, not blaming every Jew, not blaming secular Jews.
	There could be secular Jews that hate the Bible and hate Judaism and think it's awful.
	There are, in fact.
	So all of this is just complete lies here.
	Oh, I'm talking about ancient Judaism, not modern Judaism.
	What's the difference?
	Carrier, I've got compilations of rabbis with millions of views describing their verses from the Torah and the Talmud that back up everything I'm saying.
	Cut this bullshit.
	Into a statement about some sort of racial thing about the Jews and claims that there's some sort of Jewish conspiracy today.
	Yeah, Judaism exists today.
	That's the same as 2,000 years ago.
	Judaism is the same conspiracy.
	And no, I'm not saying, I never claim that he's blaming all the Jews.
	What is this shit?
	I'm going to stop what I'm talking about today.
	I was talking about 2,500 years ago.
	And isn't it interesting that he won't criticize Judaism today?
	Like, that's off limits, apparently.
	I was talking about Judaism and the religion as an ideology, not the people.
	Right.
	And so this idea that you conflate one into the other is how these sort of racist conspiracists come up with this stuff.
	So he lies about what I do and calls me a racist conspiracist.
	He won't call the rabbis today racist conspiracists that think they're chosen by God and want to have Gentile slaves and Noahides and rule the world with their Messiah.
	They're not the supremacist.
	Oh, never.
	It's only Adam and my and me.
	And I find this kind of like twisting of people's words and misquoting and misunderstanding sort of, let's say, deliberately or not, misunderstanding.
	Or just you're making it up and that never happened at all.
	Is a universal feature of delusionalism.
	So like people who are delusional, whether they're flat earthers or just.
	So now, like, I basically agree with pretty much everything in his book, and he's calling me a delusional flat earther.
	And they do the same thing to him.
	They go, oh, you're just some blogger.
	You're fringe.
	Jesus definitely existed.
	All the scholars agree.
	You're like a Holocaust denier.
	You're like a flat earther.
	They do the same thing to him.
	And then he strawmans my view.
	And then I emailed him after this.
	And he said, he said, oh, you're blaming all Jews today.
	And I say, no, I definitely don't.
	That would be retarded.
	And then he goes, well, it wasn't all Jews.
	It was just a sect of Jews.
	Yeah, no, duh.
	I say that explicitly in my book and all the time.
	A little more, and I'll get your thoughts.
	Christians or devout Muslims or even like devout supernaturalist Buddhists, right?
	It doesn't matter what you are, or if you're an ideological misogynist or whatever, they use all the same tactics.
	And this is a thing that I've been, this has been a focus of mine in the last few years is to analyze these tactics because they use the same things.
	I'm seeing the same patterns.
	And this is one of those patterns.
	It's this idea of equivocation between Judaism and the equivocation between ancient times and modern times.
	So he cut it out for YouTube, but he says, conflating Judaism and Jews.
	Come on, dude.
	Cut the semantics in the bullshit.
	It's like, who practices Judaism, Dr. Carrier?
	It's an ethno-religion.
	Exactly.
	Like, their whole identity is rooted in Judaism.
	Right.
	And if you talk about the Adam Greene theory, which is that Christianity and Islam are right.
	Obviously not.
	But they did evolve out of the ideology of Judaism long, long ago, right?
	And so there's a long, complicated historical causal story.
	So he just says it's not a conspiracy, but they did come from Judaism.
	They are forms of Judaism, which is all I'm saying of how we ended up with imperialist Christianity, because we do, that's what Christianity became is an imperial religion.
	But by the time it became an imperial religion, it wasn't anymore and it had no control over it.
	So they can't be blamed for what happened after that point.
	It's not their fault.
	And so, and by then, it's a different religion, right?
	not, you can't, you can say that it is a sect of Judaism in the literal sense that it evolves, you know, it's, it's sort of ancestry comes out of theology and it is basically a reinterpretation of Judaism in the same way that Mormonism is a reinterpretation of.
	That's enough.
	That's a total bullshit answer, by the way.
	He's just spinning out words because he doesn't want to deal with the topic or really answer the question.
	So he charged you, first of all, early in that clip.
	He says you're misrepresenting his words or you're taking his words out of context.
	So in my book, in the Jesus hoax, I'm quoting exactly Carrier's words.
	So I want to just read a couple of those, a couple of those passages if I can, right?
	So here's quoting exactly Carrier.
	Carrier says, the gospel writer John has run wild with authorial gluttony, freely changing everything and inventing whatever he wants.
	By modern standards, he is lying.
	John has inserted the figure of these stories.
	That's plain terms.
	That's simply a lie.
	The gospel writers are mythographers, novelists, propagandists.
	They are deliberately inventing what they present in their texts.
	So that's a literal quote from Carrier, right?
	And then when the crucial question of motive comes along, he says, and I'm quoting him, the writers are doing it for a reason, even if we can't always discern what that is.
	So Carrier is at a complete loss.
	Yeah, there's a reason why they're lying, but Carrier says, I just can't possibly imagine why those guys would lie.
	We just can't discern what that reason is, right?
	And, you know, he says, well, it's not the result of any conspiracy, but it's just independent people working from similar assumptions and motives, but we don't know what those motives are.
	We can't possibly even speculate on what those motives might be because, well, if we did, that would look really bad for at least a small group of Jews.
	And we can't say that.
	So, you know, he's right about the lying part.
	Yeah, the gospel writers are liars.
	It's invention.
	It's fabrication.
	He's correct on that stuff.
	He goes right up to the limit and then he just collapses.
	And he says, well, we don't know what their motives are.
	And I'm not going to speculate.
	And I can't talk about that because, well, that would get me into trouble.
	And he doesn't want to get in trouble.
	So he's not going to do it.
	So, I mean, that's pretty much his position.
	You can see it right there.
	Yeah.
	And he goes, oh, you can't blame them for that.
	You know, the Romans adopted it.
	It became a Gentile religion.
	Like, I'm not saying that Jews are secretly pulling the strings and controlling every little minutiae detail behind the scenes.
	But what I'm saying is this is a messianic Judeo-Yahweh prophecy meme that was influencing the first Jewish Christians, that was influencing Paul.
	And this meme, it's like a mind virus, which I hear atheists say that type of thing all the time.
	Religion is a mind virus.
	It spreads.
	It's contagious.
	And it was implanted amongst the Romans because Paul targeted and the gospels are targeting the Gentiles.
	And they're not like controlled by Jews, but their minds are theologically controlled by a Jewish religion.
	Like that's the argument.
	Even if Paul was sincere and he really thought there was this mystical, heavenly Messiah and the world was about to end and he's trying to bring in the Jews, the Christian, the Gentiles, and this eschatological end times vision.
	He's still a product and a manifestation of the Judeo-prophecy memes, which are all rooted in the Torah, the same one that rabbis believe in today.
	And it's all about ruling the world.
	One world religion, law comes from Zion.
	Every knee will bow.
	Start calling it what it is instead of attacking and slandering and misrepresenting the people that have the courage to actually do it like us.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You know, one of the alternatives, and I mentioned this in my book, is that Paul was some kind of lunatic.
	I mean, like, he was like literally mentally ill.
	There's actually evidence for that in what he says.
	And there are some theories even by modern doctors that said, yeah, he was basically kind of a paranoid schizophrenic type character with certain kinds of specific mental problems.
	So he may, I guess, I leave open that possibility.
	Maybe he wasn't a liar.
	Maybe he's just mentally ill.
	He really believes that stuff.
	He really thinks he saw a risen Jesus and he really thinks he's believes himself, all these things.
	But it's still a lie.
	It's still rooted in Jewish theology.
	He's still promoting among the Gentiles.
	It's still serving Jewish interests.
	So, you know, that only slightly gets him off the hook if you want to.
	Okay, maybe he's not really a liar.
	I'm willing to leave that possibility open.
	I think he's actually a little bit too rational and too smart for that.
	So I think he really was a blatant liar.
	But okay, I mean, there's sort of an argument to case.
	But you have a hard time making the case for the gospel writers.
	They came after Paul, and those guys weren't all mentally ill.
	I don't think they seemed fairly rational in what they were doing.
	They were literary geniuses.
	They're not mentally ill.
	Oh, right, exactly.
	It's great writing in the New Testament, and it's inspiring.
	And it's really, I've called it, you know, it's a classic carrot and stick theology, right?
	So it's tempting you and it's scaring you.
	It's tempting you with eternal life in a wonderful place, heaven, and it's scaring you with the threat of hell.
	So I'll do this little push-pull story.
	I'm going to tease you with heaven.
	I'm going to scare you with hell.
	And for anybody, you know, simple-minded masses or superstitious peasants who don't have a lot of theological background or philosophical background, that works, right?
	I'm tempted, but I want to live forever and I sure don't want to burn in hell.
	So I guess I'll go with that with that story.
	And I'll believe in this Jewish rabbi and I'll believe in the Jewish God because maybe that will get me something good and I won't have to go to heaven or go to hell.
	So yeah, you can really see how this Jewish-inspired meme really gets, like you say, it's a viral meme.
	It really gets promoted.
	It's contagious and it spreads around.
	And yeah, it undermines Western civilization.
	And look at how it's undermining today, Dr. Carrier and Robert Price.
	Look at our government that believe that Israel is the Holy Land and their favorite Bible verse is, you're cursed if you curse them and blessed if you bless them.
	They're bombing countries in the Middle East for Israel because of these religious views.
	They're completely beholden, Kufi and John Hagee and all these Zionists.
	Excuse me.
	Trump's faith council, Paula White is speaking in tongues and loves Israel.
	This is what it's led to.
	This is where this Christians around the world are enabling Israel and their greatest allies.
	And they're right there in the heart of all of it.
	And I want to ask you with October 7th and Trump and X, there's like a whole lot of Christian anti-Semitism online.
	So some of the biggest, like the people, the loudest voices in leading the charge against Judaism and Zionism and Israeli lobbies is a lot of Christians.
	And their main grievance that we hear is the Jews killed Jesus.
	Or they'll say, the Jews worship the devil.
	Or they'll say, they'll cope and they'll say, Jesus wasn't Jewish.
	What's your view on these type of oppositional talking points that are rooted in Christian anti-Semitism?
	Yeah, so that's a strange thing, right?
	They're citing biblical passages to say, well, Jesus was anti-Jewish and the Jews are sons of devils and so forth.
	You know, I think there's a good explanation for that.
	And I think it's rooted in the conflict that happened at the time of Paul and the gospel writers, right?
	They were promoting this rabbi who just got killed some, you know, a few years ago, was crucified and died.
	They're taking this guy and they're turning him into the Messiah.
	And he's dead and gone.
	And they're trying to say, look, this guy is the Messiah and he really rose to heaven and he's still promising us eternal life.
	And the mass of Orthodox Jews are like, oh, no, no, that's not, that's not our Messiah.
	That's, you know, some perverted, distorted view.
	And we can't accept that.
	And anybody who promotes that is false and misleading.
	So there was this internal conflict, right?
	You see this between particularly, well, Paul talks about the conflict with the Pharisees and the leading Jews at the time.
	And the gospel writers also are kind of, they're running their butting heads with the Jewish authorities at the time because they're promoting this Jesus as a Messiah story, and the Orthodox powers are saying, no, no, that's nonsense.
	You know, that's not true.
	Jesus is not the Messiah, Messiah is still coming.
	He's going to be a great ruler.
	He's going to lead us to victory on earth, and he's not going to get killed on the cross.
	So it's very logical that you would see this conflict portrayed in the writings of Paul and in the gospel writings themselves.
	So there are anti-Jewish passages where they're attacking their Jewish enemies because they had Jewish enemies, right?
	The Jews did not, the mass, the powerful Jews, did not accept the Jesus as a Messiah story.
	It wasn't intended for them.
	Paul didn't care that they accepted.
	It was for the Gentile masses.
	So he didn't really care if the Jews liked it or not.
	But of course, they clearly didn't like it, and they would have been actively opposing this ideology, not really seeing maybe the larger purpose that was really in their best interest.
	So they would have fought back against the gospel writers.
	And then you see this in, you know, this dynamic creeps in at different points in the Bible where those Jews are sons of devils.
	And, you know, yeah, you know, they're attacking us and we hate them.
	And we're, you know, we're fighting against the money changers and the other anti-that's really only a handful.
	There's not that many, but there's a handful of anti-Jewish passages.
	And of course, well, okay, did the Jews kill Jesus or was it the Romans who killed Jesus?
	So you can look at it sort of either way, right?
	The Romans were in charge.
	They were the Roman, they're the ruling authority.
	Arguably, they're responsible, but somehow they let the Jews do it.
	So there's a little back and forth about who is really responsible for killing Jesus.
	So I guess you can spin it out.
	You know, the Jews were responsible because they selected him right over Barabbas and so forth.
	So yeah, you can play that angle, that anti-Jewish angle in the New Testament itself.
	And there are some passages where that's can be can be substantiated.
	But like I say, it's understandable as an inter-Jewish conflict of the time, rather than any, you know, Aryan Jesus who is fighting against the devilish Jews.
	And therefore, we're going to do that today, too.
	I mean, you know, on the one hand, you know, I do a lot of writing and speaking against Zionism in general, against Jewish, against genocide in the Middle East.
	And, you know, in a sense, I'm sort of happy to have support.
	Even if you're a Christian and you're going to come out and oppose, you know, Jewish genocide in the Middle East, I guess I can't really, you know, object too much.
	You're really on sort of the same side of the issue.
	But do you think blaming them for being Christ killers is helpful to the opposition or if it's counterproductive and actually backfiring?
	Exactly, right?
	So in the end, right, it really threatens to backfire because you're really buying into a Jewish story and you're spinning it against the Jews who are the sons of devils or so forth, right?
	So right, in the end, in the long run, it's probably not going to work because you're still buying into a Jewish mythology and you just don't realize it.
	So, yeah, you know, it's a little bit of, you know, you take, yeah, you feel like you're taking what you can get from this sort of corrupted theological view, like, okay, it's nice that you're opposing Jewish genocide, Israeli genocide in the Middle East, but you're doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, right?
	The motives aren't correct.
	You're coming to maybe a correct action.
	You're opposing the Jewish Jewish action.
	But in the end, it's going to cost you because you're not really coming from a valid and rational standpoint.
	So, yeah.
	And it's like they act like they're opposing the Jews for killing Jesus, but the point of the Messiah was meant to conquer us to begin with.
	So you're blaming them for rejecting the Messiah that was meant to conquer all of us, while at the same time validating their covenant and believing in their prophecies and worshiping their God.
	It's such like a partial limited form of opposition.
	And it's silly because, oh, they rejected and killed Jesus.
	Well, that was God's plan, right?
	That's how the Gentiles got their religion.
	That's how they got their blood sacrifice.
	That was why God sent Jesus to earth to die.
	So getting mad about that.
	It's all a nice little circular argument, right?
	Everything that happens, well, that was the plan.
	Whatever happened was the plan because that's how it happened.
	And therefore, it must have been God's plan because that's what happened.
	It's just, it just spins in circles.
	There's no justification for that story.
	So in the end, in the end, that's going to fail because you're still buying into a bogus ideology.
	And yeah, even if you're opposing Jewish action now, what's the basis for long-term action?
	Like I said, you're still worshiping Jesus, who was an ethnic Jew.
	You're still worshiping a Jewish God and you're worshiping Jewish sacred texts, right?
	So, yeah, it's not going to end well.
	Let's do a couple of these super chats and we'll wrap it up here.
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	They don't debate any of this.
	Basically, they play under the Abram and McShaman's rules instead of exposing their tricks and intentions.
	Both of you are doing a great job.
	I agree.
	The atheist Christian debates online with the big channels are such limited scope and don't ever get at the crux of the issue.
	But David, yeah, can you answer that Unibomber question?
	Yeah, just briefly.
	Yeah, so I exchanged well over 100 letters with Ted Kaczynski while he was in prison.
	And I guess the short answer was virtually every letter was on technology.
	So we didn't really venture off the topic.
	He was a single focus, single-issue guy.
	And for him, everything revolved around the problem of technology, what it was, how it worked, how to undermine it.
	And so, yeah, I guess, you know, we didn't really talk about other issues.
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	So we didn't get into kind of other, you know, other conspiracy angles of that.
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	Yeah, no, he was a little bit of a paganist.
	He talked, there were some passages where he kind of was worshiping kind of the spirits in nature.
	So, yeah, maybe a little bit of a pagan panzakist kind of a guy.
	But yeah, again, the focus was pretty much on the technology question.
	And if anybody, where could they get the books?
	So the book, Technological Slavery, it's there.
	It is the Brown book, Technological Slavery.
	That's the main book by Kaczynski.
	About one quarter of that book is letters to me.
	So about a quarter of that book is his response to my letters to him.
	Again, it's all on the question of technology.
	We didn't really veer off topics.
	But if anybody's interested in what Kaczynski had to say to me, then take a look at that book.
	Did you see the story this week about how Elon Musk Grok freaked out and started doing all this praising Hitler and anti-Semitic stuff?
	And then the very same day, they announced that they're doing some huge contract with the Pentagon with Grok also.
	Yeah, it's funny, right?
	When you set these AIs loose to do actual objective work and they come to very similar conclusions that a lot of us have been saying.
	And of course, the Jewish power structure doesn't like that, so they call it anti-Semitic.
	And I'm sure they're doing intervention.
	I don't know, they changed something or where they rewired his brain to make him not say those kind of things, or they put some kind of Jewish filter on.
	I don't know.
	But yeah, I mean, it's striking that these AI systems, because we're talking about logical, objective facts, and any true functioning AI system will come to comparable positions.
	And it's really a point in our favor that these things happen every once in a while when they break out and then they stifle it.
	They crush the system from stop it from doing that.
	And yeah, then you get bogus results once again.
	It's funny that the same, I think it was like the same day or the day after they announced the big contract with the Pentagon as well that's going to be using Grok.
	So it's like crazy.
	It's funny that Elon wants to put chips in our brains for Neuralink, but then his Grok is going to malfunction like that or like the Twitter videos won't even work one day.
	And then they're trying to do stuff.
	Or self-driving cars as well.
	Like Twitter crashes, Grok goes out of control, but we're going to have self-driving cars that are driven by this technology.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Good luck on that one.
	Okay, let me.
	There's a couple more in here with a few more questions.
	Let's get this up here and I'll drop here in a second.
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	He knew it was poison, and he wanted it among us.
	Yeah, like total theeshu.
	They brag about this.
	This is their story in total.
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	I predict within five years or later, more people will come to accept Christianity as part of the original Jew scam under the Old Testament over time, similar to the exposure of the Trump deception.
	I think that could happen too.
	Is that the last one?
	Just like years ago, not too many people were talking about Israel and Israeli lobbies and Judaism and stuff.
	I feel like in another 10 years, the understanding of the Christian question is going to be maybe just as ubiquitous.
	We'll see because there is a lot of gatekeepers on all sides.
	Right, David?
	Absolutely.
	But I think it's becoming more obvious, which is nice.
	I mean, you're seeing the active suppression of even the liberal side and the leftist side, right?
	When they come out against the genocide in Gaza and they find out they're getting crushed by the same gatekeepers that some of us have been getting blocked for years, and they're like shocked.
	It's really an eye-opener for a whole new cohort of people who are like shocked at how this Jewish power works and how it works even at the level of Trump and the federal government.
	To me, it's always been a money thing, right?
	Who's given the bulk of the money to all our federal candidates?
	It's coming from the Jewish lobby.
	So it's not surprising that we get all these default positions in favor of Jewish interests from Trump and from congressmen, same thing.
	They're basically bought and paid for from Jewish lobby money.
	They've donated like 25 to 50% of their total funds, depending on which party.
	So, whether they're ideological because they're Christian Zionists or because they're just following the money, you're going to get pro-pro-Jewish, pro-Israel policy from our government unless we're really willing to have open discussions about what's going on, who's funding these things, and what's the motive behind this stuff.
	I missed another super chat here from John Garadis.
	Last one that we got to read before we close it.
	Shoot, where is it?
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	I love it when two biblical names have a discussion about the biblical hoax.
	Adam, the first man, and Moshiach Ben-David.
	Ha ha.
	Anyway, great stream.
	Guys, and David, set up a Twitter channel so we can connect with you.
	You'd be huge there.
	Yeah, you need more tech, David.
	You do need to get in the Twitter game.
	We know you're anti-tech.
	I'm the anti-tech guy.
	It's like all I can do is to go on podcasts with you, Adam.
	You have to go into the Matrix to bring down the Matrix.
	Come on, David.
	I guess you're right.
	Maybe I'll have to do it.
	That's the only way to take it down.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And we're both cursed with the biblical names of Adam and David.
	That's a good point.
	Thanks for rubbing it in.
	Do you have an altar?
	I won't say that actually.
	My middle name is Frank.
	It's my dad's name.
	So maybe I'll just go by Frank.
	Okay, that works.
	One last thought I had about the super chats there, too, is that I feel like if we can bypass the gatekeepers, if more bigger voices are speaking about this, if the censorship changes, I think when people hear the Jesus hoax idea, they hear what we're saying about religion and Christianity.
	I think a lot of people out there already have kind of came to the same conclusions by themselves, like on their own.
	And if it just takes a little bit more education and enlightening on the big picture, and I think a lot of people get it right away.
	And I think they know that.
	And that's why we're seeing a lot of desperation and dirty tactics from all sides to suppress this because it is bombshell.
	Like, what do you think is the magnitude of the Jesus hoax?
	Can you close us out with that?
	And then also tell us where people should follow you and pick up your books.
	But why is the Jesus hoax so important?
	Yeah.
	Well, right.
	I mean, it's the hoax of the millennium, right?
	I mean, it's 2,000 years of an aberrant worldview that we bought into and it's altered, you know, the course of certainly European history and much of world history for certainly 2,000 years.
	You know, people say, well, how is it possible that you could have been mistaken or wrong for that long of a time?
	And we've had all these great thinkers and theologians, you know, in European history.
	And it's like, you know, but if you study intellectual history, there's lots of huge errors that people had for hundreds of thousands of years.
	It's not at all surprising that we could buy into some kind of a bogus theology and then it just gets entrenched in the power structures and then it and then it really affects kind of the course of society for 2,000 years.
	Biggest lie of all time?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely biggest lie of all time.
	I mean, I think there's good signs.
	I try to be a little optimistic.
	And I think, like you were saying, people sort of waking up from this bad dream and they're really kind of starting to see that we've got a way out of this.
	And I hear it a lot from people that are like, yeah, I was kind of thinking of that.
	I had sort of the basic, you know, I felt the same way, but I could never really articulate what was going on.
	So I think that's the value of maybe what of what you're doing, Adam.
	And I try to do the same thing in my books is really articulate in a very clear, very precise way and using documentation and kind of nice academic techniques to really put it in very crystal clear terms.
	And people really kind of latch onto it.
	They say, yeah, I was thinking that same thing all along.
	I just wanted to see it written out or talked about in a clear way.
	And I think that's one of the main virtues of what you and I are trying to do is we're really putting it just very, you know, we're documenting, we're putting it clear, nice, rational case.
	We're really standing up in defense of these ideas.
	And I think people really are resonating with this stuff.
	I agree.
	And so since you won't join Twitter, how can people get in touch with you or find your work in your books?
	Yeah.
	Well, right.
	The main books are available on Amazon and other carriers.
	So you really just have to look up Jesus Hoax.
	It's an on-Amazon.
	My book on panpsychism.
	I think there's links.
	There you're showing my website, davidscribina.com.
	So there's links to my books there.
	Just general searches on Panpsychism in the West, Jesus Hoax.
	If you're interested in technology, I've written a couple of books.
	One is the metaphysics of technology.
	One is confronting technology.
	And then there's the Ted Kaczynski book, which has a lot of material that's what are you working on now?
	Any new books that you can tell us about or like any?
	I'd like to see you do some more debates, get back out on the Jesus hoax circuit and start debating these guys because the truth is on our side, they don't want to do the debates.
	They're running from them.
	Yeah, I think they're right.
	They're trying to, I've got a couple in the works.
	In fact, I talked to Henrik on Red Ice, and he's really interested in talking about the Jesus hoax.
	He's looking for a sparring partner for me.
	So I may end up with a debate actually on Red Ice.
	We'll see if that works out.
	And I would be happy to do that and happy to do live ones.
	And yeah, it's just a lot of little miscellaneous projects right now that's keeping me busy.
	Great.
	Well, I appreciate your time.
	Thank you for coming on again.
	I enjoyed the talk.
	Hope everybody checks out the book, especially the Jesus hoax.
	And thank you, everybody, for watching.
	David, we'll have to do another show again in the future sometime.
	And I'm doing great work.
	And we will talk again soon.
	Thank you, everybody.
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