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	Hello, internet friends.
	Adam Green here with no more news.
	Thank you all for joining me today, Thursday, March 13th, 2025.
	Gonna do a follow-up of part two, another installment in the Dead Sea Scrolls Revealed.
	Today is the truth about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	We're gonna pick up where we left off the other day.
	We did a stream titled Dead Sea Scrolls Revealed, Christianity is Fake.
	You guys liked it.
	It did pretty well.
	We didn't finish, so we're gonna pick up where we left off with the Eisenman and Tabor old documentaries about the Dead Sea Scrolls, as well as some other clips from their modern books and some other clips and quotes I've gotten from reading books about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Basically, going through all of this again because I'm writing my chapter on it in my book, The Jesus Deception, which is going to be out very soon, hopefully.
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	Did this start again?
	Maybe it's looping.
	It's not supposed to loop.
	But let's start.
	Before we get into the documentary, I want to start with something that is totally mind-blowing.
	It is, we already talked about all of the parallels that you see in the Dead Sea Scroll sects that you find in Christianity.
	So many common themes.
	And this is one of them from the supernatural Messiah that's in the Dead Sea Scroll, known as the War Scroll.
	This is from Robert Eisenman's James the Brother of Jesus book.
	There is the idea of a supernatural Messiah.
	In addition, there is the idea of a supernatural Messiah in the War Scroll, related to notions of divine sonship, the Christ, and the primal or second Adam ideology, who comes on the clouds of heaven with a heavenly host to shed judgment like rain on all that grows on earth.
	In it too, the Archangel Michael is in some manner associated with this process, but this is about as supernatural as the Dead Sea Scrolls and probably James ever get.
	Nor do either of these two concepts form part of any blasphemy proceeding.
	Okay, related to notions of divine sonship, the Christ, and the primal or second Adam ideology, who comes on the clouds of heaven with a heavenly host to shed judgment like rain on all that grows on earth.
	In it too, the archangel Michael is Messiah in the War Scroll, relates the idea of a supernatural Messiah in the War Scroll, related to notions of divine sonship, the Christ, and the primal or second Adam ideology, who comes so Messiah, divine sonship, primal Adam, all of these different themes that you later find in Christianity found all throughout the Dead Sea Scrolls, making connections between messianic verses that you see the Christians later made to when they crafted their Jesus stories.
	We'll do another one.
	All these themes found in the Qumran Dead Sea Scrolls predate and disprove Christianity.
	Quoting Isaiah's 31 8 by the sword of no man, the sword of no mere Adam, the war scroll now specifically goes on to evoke the primal Adam, thus tying all these themes, the Dabidik, the star, the Son of Man, the perfect Adam, and the Messiah, together in one extended proclamation, ultimately combining clouds and rain imagery and expressing this judgment, as we have seen, in terms of coming on the clouds and shedding of rain on all on earth.
	That all of these motifs come together here in exegesis of the star prophecy in the war scroll at Qumran is about as much proof as one could ask that the approach we have been following is correct.
	Nothing less would have prepared us for this, and without it, we could not have identified the presence here of the totality of these motifs.
	Directly preceded by an evocation of the form of Adam, this exegesis is directly followed by an extended description of the heavenly host coming on the clouds, richer than in any other source, and repeated a second time at the end of the scroll.
	For it, the Messiah-like leader joins the poor.
	Habianim repeated twice.
	That's where they get the poor, the Ebionites, the poor.
	And feeding the poor is also a theme from the Old Testament, why they have Jesus doing it.
	...hebeonim, repeated twice, are Jamesian Hebeonites again, and those bent in the dust to rise up against the Kittim and justify God's true judgment on all the sons of man.
	So that's rise up against the Romans, the Kittim, is who that was at the time.
	So the Messiah, all of these attributes of the Messiah that we see already, them making connections in the Dead Sea Scrolls, is about conquering the Romans.
	You can see it in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	That's what the Messiah was intended to do.
	In the Old Testament scriptures, with the Son of Man in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	That's who the target was for the Messiah, a mythical, spiritual, victorious Messiah.
	It reads, By the hand of your Messiahs, so that you may glorify yourself in front of your enemies and overthrow Belial's legions, the seven nations of vanity, and by the hand of the poor ones of your redemption, with the fullness of your wondrous power, you have opened a gate of hope.
	The seven nations of vanity related to the seven kings of Adom, Edom, in the primordial world before the shattering of the vessels.
	Eight imagery again, to the cowering heart, for you will kindle the downcast in spirit, a synonym for the poor in spirit in Matthew 5, 13 above, who shall be as a flaming torch in the chaff to ceaselessly consume evil until wickedness is destroyed.
	In the exegesis in the Damascus document the chaff separating the wheat from the chaff, the stubble being burnt up as we covered in the stream yesterday.
	The same scepter is the messianic leader, also referred to in another messianic fragment seemingly connected to these matters, the messianic leader, Nasi.
	In the Damascus document, he will utterly destroy the sons of Seth, a clear synonym for the seven nations of vanity, and mentioned here in Numbers 24, 17, too.
	In addition to remarking the repetition of the word what else was named in Numbers 24, 17, the scepter verse, Edom.
	Power in these passages.
	One should compare the torch in the chaff simile to the words of John the Baptist quoted in the Gospel of Matthew and applying to one coming more powerful than he, meaning Jesus, whose shoes, John supposedly, was not fit to loose or carry.
	He shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire, whose winnowing fan is in his hand, words just encountered repeatedly in the war scroll above, to purify his threshing floor, and he will gather his wheat into his storehouse, but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
	Matthew 3, 11 and 12.
	Oh man, I hear the words.
	This is a really long book, a really worthless city or assembly church built upon blood illusions, encountered in two separate but parallel contexts in the Nahum Pesher and the Habakkuk Pesher.
	Interesting too, in the former, it is connected to evocation of sending emissaries or apostles to the peoples, while in the latter, the city of blood is accompanied by building imagery and interpreted in turn in terms of leading many astray and performing a worthless service and raising a congregation, church, upon lying, identified with the lying spouffers doctrine.
	Isn't this just all of these themes?
	Like, where would they get inspired looking for a smoking gun?
	Where would they be inspired?
	What would inspire them to create like a false fake religion?
	Listen to this.
	Based on blood consumption, like the Christians do in communion.
	It is connected to evocation of sending emissaries or apostles to the peoples, while in the latter, the city of blood is accompanied by building imagery and interpreted in turn in terms of leading many astray and performing a worthless service and raising leading astray, testing to lead the Jews astray.
	Identified with the lying spouse doctrine.
	A church built on lies?
	The lies of Jesus?
	In perhaps our boldest attempt at achieving a synthesis between the community of James and the community at Qumran, we have identified these kinds of illusions in the Habakkuk Pesher with Paul's building a church upon communion or the consumption of the blood of Christ.
	And then Paul literally quotes what's in there.
	Building a church on communion, the same type of language.
	As Luke puts it in his version of the Last Supper, in which Judas Iscariot II plays a central role and is roundly condemned.
	This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.
	22,20.
	Not only is the idea of pouring out integrally connected with the Pauline idea of the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts, but where connections involving plays on language and doctrines at Qumran are concerned, the new covenant is an all-important aspect of what is going on in the wilderness at Damascus in the document by that name, and, as we also saw, pouring out is the root of the way Qumran is referring to the spouter of lying, which quite literally means the porer out of lying.
	So they also thought that they were the new covenant, another idea that didn't originate with Jesus, as it as it declares in Hebrews.
	The idea of the new covenant, Jeremiah 31, was already a theme found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	We shall take one final step more in this regard when we show that even the word Damascus in Greek, of the new covenant in the land of Damascus at Qumran, is being utilized by Paul or these gospel artificers in some esoteric manner to produce the new formulation, the cup of the new covenant in my blood, blood and cup being in Hebrew, dam and khos.
	It is in this same letter to the Corinthians, it should be recalled, that Paul not only ranges himself against James' Jerusalem council directives prohibiting the consumption of blood and things sacrificed to idols, but first develops this idea of communion with the blood of Christ, however repugnant such a notion might have seemed to such zealot-minded groups as those at Qumran, not to mention James, who we have just seen specifically forbids it.
	It is this doctrine that is retrospectively attributed to Jesus in these highly prized scriptural accounts of the Last Supper.
	If anything proves the dictum referred to in the introduction that poetry is truer than history, this does.
	Paul also develops this idea of communion with the blood of Christ by using building imagery, as we have seen, at one point even calling himself the architect, 1 Corinthians 3.10.
	In the Nahum Pesher, a variation of this city of blood notation is developed in terms of a city of Ephraim and those seeking smooth things at the end of days who walk in lying and unrighteousness.
	The imagery is complex, but nonetheless developed in terms of a city of Ephraim and those are referred to as Ephraimites sometimes as well.
	So another connection you're finding, this is pre-Christian Dead Sea Scrolls, likely a Jamesian sect.
	The pillar, the idea of the pillars of the inner circle, and then a twelve also found in the Damascus, or maybe it's a community document in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	The new covenant, circumcise hearts, messianic, apocalyptic expectations.
	They're doing ritual bathing.
	They have the concept of being buried in a rich man's tomb.
	Erimathia for later in the New Testament.
	All of these different themes.
	Completely straightforward, and therefore, once again, we have come full circle to the city of blood, city built upon blood, relating to Paul's understanding of the death of Christ and the fellowship or communion which he stresses, engendered by the blood of Christ.
	Here, too, then, this field of blood illusion has its overtones, not all completely straightforward and some esoteric, but nonetheless, part and parcel of the overlaps, plays on words and doctrinal reversals in the interests of the ongoing Gentile Christian and anti-Semitic, in the national, not necessarily the ethnic sense, polemic.
	See, even the Dead Sea Scrolls was already a so-called anti-Semitic polemic.
	Both the Dead Sea Scroll sects and Christianity shared the themes of preparing the way in the wilderness and having a new covenant, the ritual bathing, or mikvahs, as they're called in Judaism.
	They have the council of twelve with three pillars.
	They have special sacred meals.
	They denounce the religious establishment, like the Sadducees and the Pharisees and the High Priest.
	They had a belief in a dual Messiahs, a high priest Messiah and a king Messiah.
	Circumcise hearts.
	Okay, let's see here.
	Called Agabus to predict the famine.
	Coming down from Jerusalem to Antioch of a.
	And again, this is Robert Eisenman's James the Brother of Jesus highlighted.
	Coming down from Jerusalem to Antioch of a prophet called Agabas to predict the famine, the disciples are first called Christians in the community there.
	For Eusebius, Agbaris reigned over the peoples beyond the Euphrates with great glory.
	Note the important usage of the word ethne for peoples, Gentiles here, which, of course, is the term Paul uses to designate the recipients of his missionary activities.
	The story has probably even moved on to become associated with the evangelization of India, still associated in myth and story with Thomas's name, though it is doubtful any real-life Thomas ever went that far, whoever this mysterious Thomas was.
	It is also probably associated with another conversion in the East, that of Queen Helen of Adyabene.
	It is difficult to sort out the various borders and kingdoms in this area and a group of petty kings referred to in Roman jurisprudence as the kings of the peoples.
	This term in Hebrew is also used at a critical juncture of the Damascus document where the liar and his spouting, the princes of Judah, and the venom of their ways are elucidated.
	Here, the vipers in their wine is the venom of vipers from Deuteronomy 32:33, are directly identified with the kings of the peoples.
	The story of the conversion of Queen Helen, that's who they wanted to target, the kings of the peoples, and then the king of the Romans of Edom, Constantine, adopts Christianity and adopts the Jewish Messiah and the God of Israel is told by Josephus just prior to the Thutis episode.
	The aspect of the we document seen in 2118 of Paul going before James and the assembled elders, Presbyterioi, presbyters, in their last confrontation.
	The number 70, so much a part of these scenarios, also represented the rabbinical understanding of the number of peoples or languages on the earth.
	This sense has not been lost in the episode immediately following the election to replace Judas in chapter 2 of Acts about the descent of the Holy Spirit on the whole assembly, together with its principal accoutrement of the speaking in tongues, the tongues necessary to take the Gentile Christian message out to the rest of the world.
	The parallel here too to Moses giving the law to the assembled elders should not be missed.
	In the second version of Clement's testimony about okay, let's see.
	Do I have a city of blood?
	Israel.
	Okay, here it is again.
	So what would inspire them to create a religion like Christianity that is like a false anti-religion?
	Listen to this.
	That is idolatrous and consumes blood, which is prohibited by Jews, and which isn't perfectly monotheistic because they believe in the divinity of Jesus and doesn't celebrate on the Sabbath.
	They moved it to Sunday.
	And what are some of the other ones?
	Doesn't circumcise, doesn't keep kosher food.
	He is also playing on yet another passage in the Damascus document at Qumran, which cites the consumption of blood as the reason the Israelites were cut off in the wilderness.
	But Paul utters so the Jews become Christians and drink the blood of Jesus are cut off and removed from Israel because they didn't keep the commandments.
	This crudity, not only in the midst of again evoking this commandment, is also evoked at a crucial juncture in these passages in the Damascus document above as well.
	It is interesting that Paul's use of the language of biting and swallowing in the context of allusions to being consumed or destroyed, which directly follow this, Galatians 5:15, are all paralleled by extremely important usages of this genre, having to do with the destruction of the righteous teacher and establishment perfidy generally in the Habakkuk pesher from Qumran.
	Later, Acts speaks of a traveling companion of Polka.
	The reason given for why the children of Israel were cut off after the Mosaic period was that they ate blood in the wilderness.
	Hear that?
	So that's already a theme.
	The Israelites, the heir of Rav, ate blood in the wilderness in the Exodus story.
	So that's where they got the idea, a religion that removes the heir of Rav from Israel by consuming blood.
	It's prohibited in Judaism to consume the blood.
	Cut off after the Mosaic period was that they ate blood.
	Later, Acts speaks of a traveling companion of Polka.
	The reason given for why the children of Israel were cut off after the Mosaic period was that they ate blood in the wilderness, each man doing what was right in his own eyes.
	Whereas Paul will utilize this language of cutting off to make an obscene pun about cutting off one's sexual parts in circumcision, Galatians 5:12.
	For the Damascus document at this point, Abraham and the other keepers of the covenant are designated friends or beloved of God.
	This is exactly the language the letter of James uses when arguing with its interlocutor or spiritual adversary, the man teaching that Abraham was rather justified by his faith, not works.
	Galatians 3:6 through 29.
	Speaking to this adversary, consumes blood,
	is idolatrous, and they blame it for all shedding the blood, all shedding the blood of the Jews, being a militant religion.
	Leviticus says, And whatsoever may there be the house of Israel eateth any manner of the blood.
	They cannot eateth any manner of the blood and will be cut him off from among his people.
	So it's Beliar in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Beliar, who is Satan, casts a net to try to ensnare the children of Israel, Jews, into consuming blood, eating food sacrificed to idol, not keeping the commandments, not keeping kosher, not circumcising, and believing in an idolatrous man as God.
	All of the themes already found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that would have been known an inspiration for the creators of Christianity.
	And now we see rabbis still today describing Christianity and the role of Christianity in Jesus in their plan the exact same way.
	Sorry, the letter of James points out.
	It's such a smoking gun.
	This is so damaging and undermining to Christianity the legitimacy of Christianity that all of these ideas were not original or unique to Christianity.
	They all were preceded in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	In other words, all of these connections, all of these themes, you don't need a historical Jesus to have Christianity.
	It was all already pre-existing in the milieu of the range of different Judaisms and sects and sub-sects at the time.
	Don't you realize, you empty man, that faith without works is you this notion of blood and consuming it is therefore one that exercises those responsible for the literature at Qumran to no small degree.
	In other documents, Qumran refers to how the spouter of lying led many astray to build a worthless city upon blood, and the liar led the children astray to build a city based on blood.
	City of blood, quite derogatorily.
	We shall have occasion to connect allusions such as these with Christianity, Christians are obsessed With blood, washed in the blood, drinking the blood.
	What a coincidence.
	They have this idea of a city built on blood that's that's a trap, that's a satanic trap.
	Paul's innovative doctrine, communion with the blood of Christ, and his reinterpretation of the new covenant in 1 Corinthians 10 and 11.
	Luke adds, as we saw, the slightly differing twist: this is the new covenant in my blood, which was poured out for you.
	22:20.
	Certainly, pouring out the blood was a fixture of all Jewish ritual practice, as it has become to some extent for Muslims.
	Even in stories about Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac, which James 2:21 evokes to support its position on Abraham being justified by works.
	In Islam, this becomes the sacrifice of Ishmael.
	There is no intimation that the consumption of his blood was permitted even symbolically.
	In this Noah episode in Genesis, as we saw, it is expressly forbidden.
	You shall not eat the blood of flesh with life in it.
	I will demand an account of your lifeblood.
	I will demand an account from every beast and from man.
	I will demand an account of every man's life from his fellow man.
	9, 4, and 5.
	When the Damascus document describes the cutting off of the children of Israel in the wilderness to the consumption of blood, the reference is to Numbers 11:31 and 32, and how the children of Israel ate quail there.
	Well, neither the author for its part, the Damascus document is so incensed about consuming blood that it deliberately highlights this episode, adding the words that they were led astray in these things and complained against the commandments of God in the Genesis complained against the commandments of God, like Paul, who didn't want to do circumcision and keep kosher?
	This narrative, in some sense, the permission to eat meat would appear to have been tied up with the sacrifice Noah made after the flood.
	In this picture, the resident aliens, Girilvim, are associated with two further esoteric usages.
	Firstly, the city of blood, which we have already suggested, connects in some manner to Paul's erecting a community, even if only symbolically, based on blood, that is to say, drinking the cup of the blood of Christ.
	Symbolic or real, it would not matter to the purist at Qumran or the Zelda.
	There's another Qumran document where they talk about it's like an anti-Messiah figure, an anti-messianic figure as well.
	Okay, so we're gonna get to this old documentary again and pick up where we left off, but this is just some of these special highlights.
	This is from Paula Frederickson's When Christians Were Jews, discussing the overlap between the Dead Sea Scroll Essene sex and Christianity.
	Let's hear this.
	The impending end time.
	Group is the Essenes.
	This is the community that collected and preserved the library recovered almost two millennia later in the caves of Qumran, the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	We can discern many areas of overlap, both in terms of religious mentality and in terms of social behaviors between these Dead Sea sectarians and their later contemporaries.
	The Assembly of Jesus followers in Jerusalem.
	Both communities expressed intense messianic speculations.
	Both voiced vivid apocalyptic hopes.
	Both communalized property.
	Both advocated sexual communal property.
	Also, they were living in communes.
	Communes.
	I need to get all these listed.
	Both communities expressed intense messianic speculations.
	Both voiced vivid apocalyptic hopes.
	Both communalized property.
	Both advocated sexual renunciation on the part of some members in preparation for the impending end time.
	They had their eunuchs.
	Socially and spiritually, in other words, a vivid expectation of the end time seems to have evoked similar beliefs and behaviors on the part of the two communities.
	We will explore these similarities further on.
	Here, however, we must note instead a strong point of contrast.
	Whereas the Christ follower Paul evidently revered the temple in Jerusalem, the priestly Essenes reviled it.
	Their loathing was born of intense resentment.
	I wouldn't say Paul was pro-temple.
	He was Christianity was spiritual temple.
	spiritualize the temple, much in part because the temple was destroyed once the new manifestation, the new incarnation of Christianity started.
	The priest.
	That is, of their anonymous Zadakite leader.
	So intensely did they hate their Hasmonean rivals that they actually rejoiced when, in 63 BCE, the Roman general Pompey conquered Jerusalem and defiled the temple.
	After all, the temple had already been defiled as they saw it by their upstart priestly opponents.
	The wicked priest forsook God.
	He robbed and I just realized the Jews back then, the Essenes in the early Christianity, Christian sects, saw the establishment as like controlled opposition that's working for the Romans.
	And in a way, they kind of were.
	Christianity overcame the Jewish-controlled opposition of Herod and the high priest that was in cahoots with the Romans, and they overtook them by addressing the controlled opposition in Judaism and defeating the Romans with a spiritualized form of Judaism and a mythical Messiah that they invented.
	It's incredible.
	...and amassed riches, keeping sinful iniquity upon himself.
	And he lived in the ways of abominations amidst every unclean defilement.
	The New Testament's gospels are considerably kinder to Caiaphas.
	That part of the Essene community that lived by the Dead Sea, in strong contrast to the community of Jesus' followers who settled in Jerusalem.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Christianity was more positive towards the high priest Caiaphas than the Dead Sea Scrolls were.
	So when you see these verses, like, oh, the Christianity, it says this bad thing about the Pharisees, this is inner-Jewish fighting.
	All of these Jewish sects also were blaming.
	It's different factions within Judaism, calling each other satanic.
	Seems to have refused any contact with Jerusalem's temple.
	In addition, they measured time by a solar calendar, not by Jerusalem's lunar one, so that their biblical holidays remained out of sync with those of the rest of the nation.
	So they waited, their apocalyptic convictions compensating for their current displacement.
	All right.
	There was something in the beginning.
	What is I like the way he worded at the beginning about the messianic expectations?
	I want to hear contemporaries.
	The assembly of Jesus' followers in Jerusalem.
	Both communities expressed intense messianic speculations.
	Intense messianic speculations.
	Testament of Levi.
	Okay, let's go back to this doc now and watch a little more of this.
	The James Tabor, Robert Eisenman uncovering the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Search secrets of the scrolls.
	That's what this called.
	With this messianic Jewish guy.
	Newspaper had the article about the scrolls released, and several scholars who'd spoken up about new texts that were very exciting.
	Oh, Messianic leader scroll.
	Have we watched this already?
	That's exciting.
	And I'm going to come back to you right after this with Professor James Tabor.
	I want to do something I rarely do on a program.
	I'm going to read from the daily newspaper.
	The article appeared in the Dallas Morning News.
	Dead Sea Scrolls mention death of Messianic leader.
	And the New York Times reference to execution of Messianic leader is found in scrolls.
	I'm going to read from the Dallas paper because it's more complete.
	And the New York Times, curiously, it's weird how the Christians will spend this as like, oh, they prophesied Jesus.
	It's like, no, they just already had a pre-existing concept of a dying Messiah.
	So you didn't need an actual historical Jesus to be crucified by the Romans in order to set off Christianity.
	Omitted all reference to scripture.
	The morning news listed out all the scripture.
	I find that interesting.
	In any case.
	We learned this earlier.
	Okay, here's Tabor.
	Slang of a Messiah.
	Scholars said Thursday.
	And so from the University of North Carolina at Charlotte is Professor James Tabor.
	And thank you very much for joining us.
	It's good to be with you.
	It's great to have a principal exponent of a new idea with you because you can't get it straight from the beginning.
	Now you have three texts about Messiah that we can discuss.
	And the first one is what we call the slain Messiah text.
	Yeah, that's the one that caused all the stir last month.
	This was in the newspaper.
	That's right.
	Can you enlighten us there?
	Yeah, before I do the three, I'm going to also show you something officially.
	This is brand new.
	It's only been out about a week.
	In fact, I had it sent overnight UPS to have it for this show.
	This is, I guess you could say, the bootleg edition of the unpublished scrolls.
	This is the one that made out of Dr. Robert Isaman and James Robinson at Claremont.
	Eiseman is at Long Beach State.
	They obtained the photograph.
	And these little fragments, somebody had to stitch all that together.
	1,657 fragments, similar to the ones we're going to talk about.
	Who knows what's in them all?
	Never been seen before.
	In fact, I'm sure this book has never been seen before on television until now.
	Some of them will be impossible to decipher, very small.
	Others you can read if you know Hebrew just quite easily.
	This is only in Hebrew, so it is available.
	Second 2009.
	But unless you know Hebrew, there might not be a lot of point in getting it.
	Guys, look at this.
	I did the stream, was it yesterday, the day before, covering the Trump converted to Judaism disinfo from Goldberg.
	And look at this.
	This guy, Henry Ford, who we follow each other, shared this meme.
	Are you okay, son?
	No, Donald Trump is a fucking Jew.
	71,000 likes.
	71,000 likes.
	My post I covered in the stream the original audio of where this is this claim that the White House insider said that Trump converted to Judaism.
	And look, this is what they're citing, Propaganda Monitor.
	It's funny that Propaganda Monitor is actually sharing disinfo propaganda.
	The same thing that I show.
	Israel Today News, which is a blog spot, not like some real Israeli new Jason she.
	It's probably the guy, the hoaxer that made it probably made this thing too.
	400 likes, 800 likes for the clip of Rick Wiles talking about.
	2018.
	This is the Times of Israel.
	Trump, the first Jewish president of the United States.
	That was a big deal.
	There it is again.
	Like, this is proof.
	They take a screenshot of some article, Israel today, not even a real website.
	That's a real clip of Levin saying that he's the first Jewish president.
	But that is true that he said that, but it is not true.
	Spitting on people is wrong.
	Oive with anti-Semitism.
	Okay.
	So just crazy, though, the numbers of the disinfo that spreads.
	You know, we can never just get a post exposing Christianity as fake and Jewish, get 71,000 likes.
	Yo, Stasia says, let's get the donos going.
	Thank you.
	About time they got going.
	About time somebody got the train going.
	Okay.
	That's annoying to see.
	I did a thorough debunk of that on my last stream.
	All the unpublished material is now out and available to any scholar who wants to.
	Somebody who can read that can now see for themselves.
	In fact, the first two scrolls I'm going to show you.
	Let's start with this first one, which we call the slain messiah text that made the newspapers that you did the story on November the 8th.
	I doubt, I don't want to be overdramatic, but I doubt until this show whether more than a dozen people have seen this because it was given to a team of scholars, or only certain people have seen it.
	So they tried to cover it up.
	Of course, the Christians would try to cover up that there's already the concept of a slain Messiah in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	In other words, that idea was not unique to a historical Jesus actually doing now.
	Anybody can see it.
	And then they've held on to it for some time.
	Sure.
	Okay, folks, we're going to show you.
	Covered it up for 40 years.
	So-called scholars has suppressed, and now it's out.
	And many of them were good scholars.
	I don't want to say that, but for whatever reason, it's out.
	We're let it sound.
	Now, it's a small fragment right here in the center of the page.
	It has other parts to it, but this is the fragment we're interested in.
	And I've got a blow-up, actually.
	I've heard a little bit of fragment is damaged, and so they're not sure exactly what it says if he was pierced or if he did the piercing.
	But the concept of the pierced Messiah, it's not just a slain Messiah, it's a pierced Messiah.
	That ties in, like the Christians did, all of the different piercings, which are numerous and then tie in a whole other networks of messianic verses.
	Let's see, the piercing.
	Psalms 22 has a pierced.
	22, verse 16.
	Isaiah 53 has a pierced, including in translations found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	It said pierced in Isaiah 53.
	Pierced in Zechariah 12.10 and 13.6 of that middle fragment right here.
	And I think with a little bit of work, we can read it together.
	And I actually want to go over it word for word because every word is quite interesting.
	It starts out, you can probably make that out.
	Yeshayahu.
	Yeah, Isaiah, the prophet, Anna Vi.
	And now this word we're not sure of, but then it begins to quote Isaiah 11.1, which is a text about the Messiah.
	There's the verb, Yatza, there will come forth a staff or not a branch, but a staff.
	Paul in Romans cites the same verse about Jesus.
	Stem from the Geza, from the root of Jesse.
	There's Jesse there.
	And then it goes on to say, this is kind of the striking phrase, Samach, the branch of David.
	So it goes from Isaiah 11 to probably maybe Jeremiah or Zachariah.
	Remember, there are.
	I've been saying this.
	I'm writing about this in my book, the same connection.
	The fact that they connected in the Pierce Messiah scroll, 4Q285, Isaiah 11, the root of Jesse with the branch, and it's the branch, the way it's worded, not in Isaiah 11, which is a blossom, I think, is the word they use, but it is the branch of David that's in Jeremiah 22 and 23, and the branch, Semach, in Zachariah.
	This is over so many people's heads.
	The Semach in Zechariah 3 and 6, which ties in those whole different networks of passages in the Midrash.
	And you read from all of these connections that were already being made, and you get the whole Jesus story.
	It is a smoking gun of where Christianity came from and the methods and the techniques and the forms of traditional exegesis used, and then you spit out the result.
	It's Christianity.
	It's where it came from.
	Mystical, messianic, apocalyptic, midrashic Jews.
	This is to the Messiah.
	Also being called the branch.
	So the branch of David.
	So very strongly branded as a messianic text, quoting probably definitely Isaiah, probably Jeremiah, maybe Zechariah.
	And then it says something it's difficult to say for sure, but something like they will be judged.
	So perhaps that the branch of David will judge the world or maybe that they will judge him.
	By the way, I'm reflecting the help of Professor Michael Weiss, who discovered this text in the photographs and his translation and the variables that I'm giving you here.
	Then very clearly, it's going to see the word there's a mem and an Avav and a Tet in Hebrew, which is the verb for to die.
	So this was the key verse that really kind of shocked people.
	It says they will put him to death or he will be put to death.
	Yeah, these are before the New Testament.
	The Nasi, the prince of the congregation.
	Remember, the Messiah is also called the Prince in Daniel.
	So it probably means the Prince of the Congregation will be put to death.
	They will put him to death.
	Messiah, the Prince of Daniel, no.
	Exactly.
	Now, notice that.
	That's a Saudi.
	Come on.
	And then now it's tying in the Messiah that's cut off in Daniel 9, the anointed one that's cut off and dies, which they connect probably to the Son of Man in Daniel 7 as well.
	And mem, but the other word is dropped out.
	But look, we have that right here.
	Say Mach again.
	That is the branch.
	So they will put to death the prince of the congregation, the branch.
	The branch.
	I think one letter gone, but probably that's what it says.
	Then with woundings or piercings.
	See that?
	You can see chalal there.
	With woundings or piercings.
	And then you go to this word, the priest will command or the priest will command woundings and piercings.
	Whoa, even the priests.
	So the priest that sentenced Jesus to death, also in the Dead Sea Scroll.
	The whole story is already there before Jesus.
	And this guy, is he going to let this Christian go, oh, wow, they prophesied it?
	Or is he just going to go, they just retold this story and these memes.
	Game set match, guys.
	Game set match.
	Are you not entertained?
	Are you not entertained?
	Do you guys understand the magnitude and the implications of this?
	How much of a smoking gun this is?
	This is so in-depth that, like, I never bring it up in a debate.
	I'll just allude to it or describe it.
	But, like, talk about smoking guns.
	Seems to say, then, that they will put this Nasi or this Samach, this branch to the Shaw.
	Christianity debunked what all the stir was about.
	Suddenly, we had a text from Qumran that clearly talks about the Messiah being suffering or being slain.
	That seems to be a valid interpretation.
	The verdict is somewhat out because we want to work on these other fragments.
	Maybe there are other materials that go with this.
	That seems pretty clear, as you can see, even from the Hebrew there.
	What can you say?
	Oh, yeah.
	Let me certify for the audience.
	I'm not a Hebrew scholar by a long shot, but I can follow what's written there, and it's exactly as Professor Tabor has translated.
	The bigger question, of course, this was written down by the people in the Qumran caves.
	They weren't necessarily believers in the sense of they saw the activities of, let's say, Jesus for the sake of argument.
	They didn't see the activities of Jesus, dude.
	There's nothing about Jesus in these verses.
	They're not aware of a Jesus.
	Nice try, Rabbi.
	Zorn Dare Edom for five says, a meager tip tonight.
	Need to check the budget.
	Did buy shirts, though.
	Hail Goy Shiach and the old gods.
	Glad you got your shirts, Edom, Zorn, I should say.
	Yeah, if you guys want them, I'm not kidding.
	They're already almost halfway gone.
	No morenews.org.
	They weren't writing a religious text.
	They seem to be reacting to events.
	They report the death of a leader of the community, etc.
	And they choose to refer to Isaiah's messianic prophecies to help identify this person that died.
	And the woundings and piercings is out of Isaiah 53.
	So on.
	It harks.
	It brings a familiar chord to them.
	The big question then, could this simply be referring to Jesus?
	Yeah.
	We can't say who it refers to because it doesn't give a name.
	I see two possibilities.
	One would be that they have put texts together, that they've taken a text like Isaiah 53 about the suffering of a servant of God, as well as a text like Isaiah 11 about the branch of David or the king, put them together.
	I think that's unlikely, though, because even in the New Testament, in the Gospels, you have the disciples presented as not putting that together.
	They react to the event.
	Then they say, well, we know he was the Messiah, but he was slain.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wait, hold on.
	What kind of logic is that?
	This idea was already out there, but you're saying the Christians, just because Christianity said, acted like this was a novel thing for the Messiah to die, and people wouldn't understand it, but they apparently did understand it.
	You can see that in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	You can easily see how you can read, especially Wisdom of Solomon or Daniel or Zechariah, Isaiah 53, all of these different themes together, you can see a dying figure.
	As much as Bart Ehrman tries to deny, you can definitely see the figure.
	So I don't think so.
	See what I mean?
	It's like they can have the correct translation.
	They can have the same information.
	But then your logic, maybe because of the bias going on here with this Christian guy with the menorah behind him, you don't come to the right conclusion.
	Oh, yeah, it must mean this and this.
	And they went back and found those texts, you know, these suffering texts.
	I think it's much more likely that the latter happened.
	That what we very well might have here, I'm not positive, but we might have a text written in actual reaction to the wounding or piercing or slaying of a figure that this group had had great hope in.
	But to say it's Jesus, of course, that's going beyond the evidence.
	It doesn't call him Jesus.
	That means they weren't aware of it.
	You could say the same thing in Enoch.
	Oh, this sounds a little bit like Jesus, but you can tell that it's not so much of the Jesus story that they had knowledge of a Jesus.
	This is so weak.
	We can now say, if this translation holds, that this group also was thinking in terms of the suffering Messiah as well as the church.
	At least they had the teaching that Messiah came to suffer to intersect.
	Now, sometimes you'll hear people say, well, Judaism teaches that.
	There's the Mashiach ben Yosef, the suffering.
	But you see, that's light.
	That's late in the Talmud and in other Midrashic materials.
	This is.
	You don't know that.
	There's a strong Talmudic expert.
	Where's my book?
	Talmudic expert Daniel Boyer-Rin argues that the tradition you see in the Talmud about Moshiach ben Joseph likely preceded Christianity.
	Richard Kerr also echoes his arguments and expands on them.
	A good reason to think that they wouldn't have made up a suffering Messiah figure after Christianity without mentioning Christianity.
	The Jews wouldn't later create a suffering, dying Messiah when that's what the Christians were saying and arguing.
	Again, so 0 for 2 when it comes to the analysis of the information here.
	Early texts.
	You cannot show, I don't know of a Hebrew text in the Midrash, the Talmud, the Mishnah, you know, these ancient Jewish sources this early that talks about Messiah being pierced or slain.
	Well, what about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
	There it is right there.
	They're talking about information in a source, and then they're like, oh, well, I don't see any early evidence of it.
	We're talking about the early evidence of a suffering, pierced Messiah.
	And in Kabbalah, they say that the Zechariah 12, 10 pierced figure, the firstborn, is the Moshiach ben Joseph.
	You're going to tell me that the Jews are going to cite the same Old Testament verse as the Christians do to justify the piercing of Jesus.
	And the Jews are going to go, oh, yeah, that actually is about a suffering Messiah, when that's the big, that's supposedly what the big rift is about.
	Very weak, James.
	Very weak, Tabor.
	In the New Testament, this is it.
	But what it means is that other Jewish groups of the time were also in some way discussing something like this.
	It isn't a big stretch for me to say, hey, somebody lived at this time before 50 AD.
	He died or was killed with woundings and piercings.
	The people down at Qumran who had no axe to grind one way or another, he made them think about the messianic prophecy of Isaiah who cries out to be Jesus of Nazareth.
	I want us to do.
	But that's not scientifically established.
	I want us to do another show on the identity of Qumran and Christianity.
	Maybe we can get into that even more.
	We will do some.
	I would love to do that.
	Okay.
	Let me go to another text, and that's the so-called raising the dead text, which this is your discovery.
	There's one called the Son of God scroll as well, too.
	So that's what else I got to add.
	The Messiah being the Son of God.
	Here, let's play this way.
	Habor discovered this one, and it's very clear.
	I've looked at it.
	It has a direct reference to the Gospel of Luke.
	In some fashion, it seems to.
	Okay.
	Now, this text was published in Barr magazine, Biblical Archaeology Review, about the last issue, the current issue, actually.
	But before that, I had not seen it.
	It's in the unpublished scrolls, so no one else has seen it.
	I'm sure it's never been on television before.
	And it's got some interesting lines.
	There are 13 lines.
	We won't do them all, but I did want you to notice, because you do read Hebrew here, this is very clear.
	This is the end of the word.
	The heavens and the earth will obey.
	See, Shema there.
	Just like the Shema, Shema, or Shema.
	And then.
	You just know, too, like all the Christians online that we deal with, none of them know about any of the material in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Hashiacho.
	His Messiah.
	So it starts out in this column talking about a time, a messianic era.
	So what this text has to do with is a description of what will happen when the Messiah comes.
	It just gives a description of their expectations, essentially.
	And some of them are commonplace.
	I've got a translation here.
	I'll read.
	For example, it says that the Lord will visit the pious and the righteous he will call by name.
	Over the poor will his spirit hover and the faithful he will support with strength.
	But as you get down to about line eight, which is right here, I think you'll recognize some of this language.
	He will release the prisoners, make the blind see, and raise up those bent in the dust.
	Isaiah 42 or 61, or I think there's in Psalms too, releasing of the prisoners.
	Now I'm going to put this down a minute and come back, but let's...
	If you read, I'll just let you turn to it.
	Read Luke chapter 4.
	Okay, Luke 4.18.
	The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor.
	He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
	Okay.
	Now, if you look at some of the phrases we just read about release the prisoners, make the blind see, and raise up those bent in the dust, that is an allusion to the Psalms.
	In fact, it's Psalm 146.
	But also to, in Luke 4, this is where Jesus gets up in the synagogue and reads Isaiah 61.
	And the key phrase is the one you...
	You also find the same thing from Isaiah 61 in the Melchizedek scroll found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Another huge smoking gun that I need to mention here.
	The idea of a Melchizedekian.
	Oh, my God.
	It's such a smoking gun.
	I don't see how anybody can see all of this evidence from the Dead Sea Scrolls and still think Christianity is real.
	Just read.
	Now, here's what this text is.
	This is so good.
	Compare it.
	I hadn't watched this yet.
	He'll heal here.
	You have Rapha.
	He will heal the wounded.
	And he will make the dead live.
	The verb Chaya, to live, like L'chaim, you know, in Jewish parlance.
	So he'll make the dead live.
	And to the poor, he will preach the gospel.
	So what you have here is quite striking.
	You've got a partial quotation of Isaiah 61, what you're reading here.
	But it didn't say make the dead live.
	That's it.
	That's what I noticed immediately.
	That if you read Isaiah 61, the key phrase is that he will make the blind see, release the prisoners, and to the poor announce the good tidings.
	You know, the gospel.
	Yes.
	But if you turn over to Luke 7, just a couple pages over there, and this is a passage that we believe in scholarly parlance, we call this the Q source.
	This is a very early source that Luke himself used.
	He says that he, remember in his preface, he says that he has looked at different sources and so forth.
	We believe that this is an early source he used.
	And I think it's around, you see verse...
	I see verse 22.
	Tell him to go...
	Yeah.
	He asks, are you he that was to come?
	Right.
	Do we look for another?
	What it is, is John the Baptist, who's usually identified with this community in some fashion.
	Uh-huh.
	He's out in the wilderness, same place, baptizing.
	Yeah.
	You know, if you've been to Qumran, you know you can look and see the river, the Dead Sea and the Jordan River area.
	He's asking Jesus, are you the Messiah, or should we look for another?
	Now read, what is it, verse 22, where we have Jesus reply.
	Yeah.
	Then Jesus answering said unto them, go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard, how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
	Okay.
	Notice the last two phrases.
	The dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
	Now, it's partly then from Isaiah 61, but as you immediately noticed, Isaiah 61 does not say that the Messiah, when he comes, will raise the dead.
	It mentions many of these other things.
	Yeah.
	And yet Luke's record of what Jesus told John the Baptist includes this phrase.
	Now, here's how I would see the significance of this.
	I think that Jesus is answering John in what I would call coded language.
	That is, they know what they're talking about.
	The signs of the Messiah.
	Uh-huh.
	Built on these scriptures, such as Isaiah, the Psalms, but with this added phrase, raise the dead, as kind of the real key, you see.
	And my...
	What's he saying to them?
	You tell John this.
	Listen carefully.
	And he quotes from a commentary written at Qumran that John...
	That maybe John would know, and maybe Jesus himself knew.
	That, in other words, the groups are sharing this common belief, and it's not just a general belief, it's a very specific belief.
	Tick it off.
	He will do this.
	He will do this.
	Including raise the dead.
	I invite...
	I identify myself as Messiah to you, John, by this code...
	By the way, by the well-known criteria that we now can see.
	And so I'm not saying Luke is quoting this or this is quoting Luke.
	I'm saying they're both quoting a well-known and well-understood, very patterned language, you see.
	And I think this is...
	Yeah, they're both quoting the Old Testament, and neither are historical, and you don't need this historical event of Jesus supposedly doing or saying these things in order to have a story about it.
	The first absolutely tight linguistic connection of the New Testament.
	There are lots of phrases like New Covenant and so forth, but this is tighter than that.
	This is literally down to who's the Messiah, what will he do?
	We read Luke.
	Here's an answer.
	an answer I think it's fascinating Dr. Tabor this is quite a discovery yeah another thing is we do not have clear references to the Qumran community believing in resurrection of the dead in fact that's debated among the scholars did they or did they not have that as part of what we call their eschatology their view of the end and as you know in the New Testament resurrection of the dead is is the key doctrine that's interesting and then I bet you he's going to say right now the Pharisees and the Sadducees also talked about resurrection of the dead I believe
	It was the Pharisees that that was central to their end times beliefs, a resurrection of the dead.
	So it's almost like Christianity wasn't totally Essene and it wasn't totally Pharisee.
	It was somewhere in the middle and with a blend of different ideas from both different sects.
	Wow.
	Paul makes it a big point in the book of Acts.
	You know, I believe in the resurrection.
	First Corinthians 15, you know, is very strong on that.
	This is one of our strongest indications that they do believe there are allusions elsewhere, but this is absolutely clear in Hebrew.
	There's no doubting the reading.
	He will make live literally the dead ones.
	Yeah, that's very clear.
	So I think it's quite a fascinating text.
	Very nice.
	Now, the Isaiah 53, 11 text, which is about Messiah and the light.
	Yeah, that's an interesting one.
	Now, we're going here from unpublished, which is now published.
	I say unpublished meaning until last week.
	Yes.
	The two we just looked at, they're published now because Barr has put them out.
	But this Isaiah scroll, Isaiah 53, of course, has been known for centuries.
	It's in everybody's Bible.
	He goes as a lamb to the slaughter.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	The servant.
	And it's variously interpreted.
	Is it Messiah?
	Is it the people of Israel?
	Is it a righteous servant, a tzaddik, you know, of Israel?
	But anyway, this is Isaiah 53.
	Beautiful text in Hebrew.
	As you know, in Cave 1, first discoveries made by the Bedouin shepherd boy, this whole scroll was found.
	Complete scroll of Isaiah.
	And you've seen it, I think, have you not?
	Yes, I have.
	Because you did that program.
	It was in the museum there.
	And I think you demonstrated that.
	This is what Wes Huff talked about with Joe Rogan.
	And I've been seeing the Christians are really picking up and using Rogan's.
	He's like, I'm so impressed.
	I keep thinking about the Isaiah scroll.
	how it's the same and modern Israeli can simply sight read this it's that clear it's very easy to read now so this is not an unpublished text but it's an interesting text now people often ask when you compare the Isaiah of Qumran which is 2,000
	years old or more and the Isaiah text that we have today copies of copies of copies medieval Hebrew manuscripts are there major differences the answer is no but there are some significant differences and one of them I wanted to talk to you about is in verse 11 here you have English Isaiah 53 verse 12 this would be the common King James translation of Isaiah 53 11.
	Go ahead and read it.
	He shall see of the travail of his soul and shall be satisfied.
	Okay.
	We'll just take that phrase.
	If you notice in Hebrew here, this is from, literally, from the travail, there's nefesh, of his soul.
	He will see.
	Now, if you, the word I've circled here is the direct object.
	He will see what?
	Light.
	That's not in your text you just read.
	Now, if you don't have the word light, you would have to translate it it from the travail of his he Read it again.
	I'm getting mixed up.
	Yeah, it's what they did with that.
	He shall see of the travail of his soul.
	Yeah, which in a way doesn't make sense.
	He will see from the travail of his soul.
	Well, what will he see?
	You see?
	So in the Qumran scroll, you have the word light.
	He will see light.
	Now, I think this is an allusion to resurrection for this reason.
	Isaiah in chapter 27 and in other places uses light as a metaphor for raising the dead.
	The dead are in shio and darkness and they see light.
	And this is talking about a man suffering, being buried, and then seeing light, you see.
	So the point would be that this word light was in copies of Isaiah from the first century during the time of Jesus, during the time of Paul.
	Oh, so why does the New Testament say that when Jesus was crucified, that the sages rose from their graves in their tombs and walked around Jerusalem?
	Because they were reading a verse of Isaiah like that.
	He will raise the dead with the light.
	What's more likely, guys, Christians out there, apologists, that the Bible is true and zombies really walked around Jerusalem after Jesus was crucified?
	Or that they read this verse, this version of Isaiah, and believed that when the pierced one dies, that there's a resurrection of the dead.
	Hmm.
	Total during the time of the early rabbis apparently was in their copies.
	And now here's a modern Hebrew Bible upon which the King James was based, Masoretic text, standard text, in which the word light is not missing.
	So historically, some people don't like the resurrection for different reasons.
	One group because hold on, pure blood, I like this.
	Pure blood tagged Liam and says, Elon playing the role of false prophet who will do signs and wonders.
	The blind will see, the lame will walk, what, with Neuralink and send fire from the sky.
	Revelation 13:13.
	Hmm.
	I like it.
	I like it.
	I like where you're going with that.
	It's too hard to believe.
	Let's not make the people try to believe that's going to happen.
	Another group because it's written of Jesus and they don't like the idea.
	Could it be possible that Mazarettes, the ones who are not going to be able to do it?
	Oh, come on with the code, dude.
	You can't have some deeply invested televangelist be the interpreter of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	You see the problem with that?
	In fact, a lot of Christian scholars, they go, oh, there's nothing that big.
	It's not about Jesus, but like they minimize how bombshell what's in the dead, the material in the Dead Sea Scrolls is in the sense of undermining Christianity as being legitimate and authentic and original.
	Text altered an original text?
	I think we just have to say that in the oldest Hebrew version it exists.
	In the Masoitic text, it doesn't, and just leave it to scholarly judgment beyond that.
	But you have a little bit of a title.
	This is a sensitive text.
	It's a very sensitive text.
	There's no doubt about it.
	I'm looking at a page.
	It did become sensitive in Jewish-Christian disputes.
	That's clear.
	It's not read in the synagogue today.
	It's not one of the Haftorah readings.
	It's skipped, in fact.
	You read Isaiah 52 and you go to 54 years.
	I think because of the slaughter of the Jews by so-called Christians, and it became very sensitive to, you know, in the medieval times.
	He goes as a lamb to the slaughter.
	Still in all, it seems Christological on the surface, almost.
	...
	It damn it.
	I need a cough button where I have to hold it to be on mute.
	I'm thinking about getting a new road duo interface.
	Yeah, I know.
	Muted.
	I was reading EIQ's super chat.
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	That's how Christians have understood it, and some Jews have understood it that way.
	I'm also going to add this because I want to stick with the first century.
	Here's a first century text.
	It does have it.
	I think that Paul, in his letter to Corinthians, 1 Corinthians 15, he says that the Christ, the Messiah, died, was buried, and was raised.
	And then he adds this phrase after each one, according to the scriptures, which means the Hebrew Bible.
	Now, where does it say in the Hebrew Bible that the Messiah will be raised from the dead?
	I can't think of a place, clearly.
	Not like this.
	So it could be that he's referring to this text.
	I'm persuaded that he is, because this text talks about burial, death, clearly, burial.
	And now with this reading, it also talks about somebody seeing light.
	Now, all I'm saying is I think that was Paul's interpretation.
	Wow.
	I mean, he didn't.
	Paul never knew Jesus.
	So when he learned about this from the scriptures, that means he heard this story and he's placing it in a heavenly realm and claiming it happened past tense.
	Wow.
	Haven't you just said Paul picked up a Bible and it said light in there?
	We pick up a light.
	I think it's likely that.
	And it's not in there.
	I think it's likely that his text said light.
	Slight alteration.
	Yeah.
	So.
	An important one, though.
	It's an interesting one.
	I never heard that one.
	And by the way, the New International Version, which many people go in a bookstore, look, has put it back in.
	Put it back in.
	And a new RSV that just came out last year.
	No, it just came out this year.
	Has put it back in.
	So the two latest modern scholarly versions have included this reading.
	How do they sit with Jewish scholars?
	They're well respected.
	In fact, Jews were on the committee of the new RSV.
	I think scholarly Jews are interested in texts.
	They're not interested in debating theology.
	So if the text has it, and this seems to be the oldest reading, when it put it back in.
	This is what they're doing.
	We can still debate what it means, but it should.
	Basically, it's in.
	In fact, the newer Jewish versions will eventually footnote it, I think, as time goes on.
	we're in an era now of open discussion.
	These are Jewish texts I'm showing you.
	These aren't Christian texts.
	No.
	All three of these are thoroughly Jewish texts.
	And yet they're talking about things that Jews and Christians have in common and need to discuss it.
	And one problem we're going to take up on our future programs together is the sticky area of these are Jewish.
	Yeah, how did Paul know that Jesus died, was crucified and resurrected?
	He read a version like this of Isaiah.
	He didn't learn about it.
	Somebody that saw it.
	He never witnessed it himself, never knew of a Jesus.
	Nobody did.
	The only source the first Christians had for Jesus was reading from the scriptures.
	That's where they saw him.
	Hidden, like a hidden puzzle, a secret God's hidden mystery, a secret message that they believe mystically happened.
	Jewish texts found in West Bank locations and controlled by Christian scholars.
	It's just a weird area of modern.
	You know, I think of Daniel 12, 4, knowledge will increase in the end.
	I'm sure he means spiritual knowledge.
	And these Dead Sea Scrolls, to me, this just makes me bounce in my seat.
	I mean, I've never seen it.
	It's so exciting.
	They're fascinating.
	With these texts, as I was telling my students the other day, I have enough to do now for a lifetime just working on these.
	What a nice.
	And stay with me.
	Will you?
	I'll chronicle everything you find out.
	This is wonderful.
	I'm honored that you came forward and joined us, and we're going to pass this knowledge along.
	And you'll be here for two more programs in which we're going to discuss still more aspects of these finds.
	So Dr. James Tabor, the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, he's associate professor of ancient Judaism and early Christianity.
	And thanks so much for joining us.
	It's good to be with you.
	Well, now two dozen people, and you have seen these Dead Sea Scrolls that are pictured in the release volumes.
	I'm so glad that if you watch this program, they're going to, of course, have this program on the other side.
	Dr. Taylor and then about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	I think you have so much you can tell.
	These are probably coming out to you in a program like this.
	He seems a little nervous.
	He's like, oh, this is so amazing.
	It's like, bro, your religion's being debunked or anything.
	I'm not myself in Dana.
	The thing else will be available for studying.
	Dr. Taylor, thanks for coming back.
	I should mention that you were cited in that original newspaper article that we availed out on our program that only came out.
	The program was broadcast by Matthew Wallie.
	People that released these scrolls out.
	I've understood that something like 40% of these Dead Sea Scrolls.
	These were found back in 1947.
	Exactly.
	Have been unpublished until now, until last week.
	That's a great way for coming in.
	I'm going to go ahead and end this closing.
	But why did it take all this time?
	It's an amazing story.
	I'll give you a short version of it.
	When K1 was first discovered, things about when Shepherd Boy throws the rock in, and here's the pottery and those in.
	There were seven complete scrolls in a cave.
	They've all been published for years and years because the Israelis had them.
	And they brought them out very quickly.
	You can see them in the front of the book.
	But other caves weren't discovered.
	11 caves have yielded scroll material.
	They were under the Jordanians.
	This is getting a little bit into politics, but you see, that area was controlled by Jordan.
	So they went to East Jerusalem, to the Palestinian Archaeological Museum, as it was called.
	Have you been to the Rockefeller?
	Yes, I should say.
	Okay, well, that's the place.
	It was then called PAM.
	And they were put under a team of Roman Catholic scholars, mostly who had worked at a cold bibliography, the Colt.
	That's where they went wrong.
	And there was one.
	The Catholics tried to cover it up and tell you, there's nothing here, don't worry about it.
	And they've maintained that for a while, too.
	One non-Catholic, no Jews worked on these scrolls.
	No Jews worked on Jews.
	No Jews worked on these scrolls.
	Interesting.
	All the way up to the 60s.
	And essentially, that team had the scrolls.
	They would give them out to their students, to various people.
	And there was no way to get to them.
	I was too young to remember those days, but people older than I have died now.
	One of my revered teachers, Morton Smith, died this year, Columbia University.
	He never got to see the uncle.
	Waiting a lifetime to see the scrolls.
	It was held by Palestinians and Roman Catholic scholars of Jewish writing.
	It's a strange saga.
	Now, it was not until Father DeVoe, who was the first chief editor, said that they would all be out in 62, 1962.
	How many years is that then?
	Almost 30 years ago.
	30 years.
	So it hasn't happened.
	Eight volumes have come out, but the more interesting material from K4, if any of your viewers have been to Qumran, K4 is that very easy-to-spot wide-open cave right as you're standing looking at the cliffs there.
	There were 800 fragments of scrolls found in that cave, and very little of that material came out until last week.
	The two texts we looked at on the previous program were both from K4.
	Well, I can almost infer from what you're saying that somebody read these texts and said, I don't think we should release these things.
	There are all kinds of conspiracy theories that have been proposed, theories just about scholarly jealousies, who gets to have their name on these texts.
	There's been alcoholism involved.
	There's been incompetence.
	There's been all sorts of things.
	It's not a pretty story.
	But everybody involved is not bad, and everybody's not good.
	But it's a mess.
	Everybody agrees it's a mess.
	Well, sure, and it is in the average office, too.
	But 20 centuries we've waited for this.
	I'll give you an example.
	A group of other documents called the Nag Hammadi materials were found about the same time.
	You can get numerous editions now in English of all of the material.
	It was brought out rather quickly.
	And with these materials, those they date later.
	So that happened.
	And actually, it took until the 80s until the pressure really began to build.
	And Herschel Shanks, the editor of biblical, spearheaded a lot of this effort.
	But a great deal of public pressure.
	The public began to get interested in the late 80s, if you recall.
	It takes a while.
	As the word got out, people didn't know.
	40% of the Dead Sea Scrolls aren't out.
	People began to say, well, I thought everything was out.
	What's not out?
	I did.
	And you began to hear about it, and it built momentum.
	I had no idea.
	I would have marched with a publication.
	The story is literally like a mystery story.
	What happened finally is that Professor Robert Eisenman at California State Long Beach obtained the photographs, not through any source that officially was given them.
	In fact, we're not even sure if he hasn't told me for protection reasons.
	I'm not even sure he knows where they came from.
	But he and James Robinson, the editors of this volume that we looked at on the previous evangelist, James Robinson.
	But James Robinson.
	James Robbins, who's a very well-known scholar from Claremont School, just simply, I guess you could call this the bootleg edition.
	They simply put this out.
	These two volumes bring us up to date.
	In other words, with these materials I have here that were already out and these materials, all the material is out.
	The problem is this is still in Hebrew.
	It still is raw material.
	It's got to be carefully looked at.
	You know, we've got years ahead of us.
	But at least any scholar now, I teach at a play.
	You know, I'm not at Harvard or Yale or Princeton.
	I'm at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.
	But I too can begin looking at these materials.
	Oh, I'm very grateful to these people that finally got them out of trunks and wherever they are.
	And I think now, I just attended the American Academy of Religion meeting, which is the big national meeting of all biblical scholars.
	And there was a general sense of relief.
	These were being sold, and I think people were saying, well, finally, they're out.
	And whether whichever side we were on, the suppression side or the go slow side or the get-em-out side, it's over.
	Yeah, good one, Pureblood.
	Come on, peeps.
	Don't be Jewish, $5 challenge for the chat.
	Yeah, if you don't donate a minimum of $5, I'm just going to assume you guys are Jewish.
	Wheezen the Juice is not a Jew, confirmed.
	EIQ Mystic, also confirmed, not Jewish.
	We've in the Jews, the name sounds a little Jewish, but not Jewish.
	Super not Jewish, I should say.
	So all the rest of you, all the rest of you in the chat are all a bunch of Jews wanting to watch about, read about these Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Is that what you're telling me?
	They're out, and let's just go ahead and get away with that.
	You guys are cheap with that.
	As though it were Jews in the chat.
	This belongs to the whole world.
	This is the material for the heart.
	This is not a.
	It's a very interesting question who they belong to.
	Okay, we already said they were discovered in 1947 on the West Bank, right?
	Jordan.
	So Jordan owns them, I suppose.
	Now, this is odd if you think about it.
	What if some very valuable Arabic manuscripts relating to the very birth of Islam had been found in the land of Israel and only Jews were looking at them?
	No Arabs were allowed to kill them until the Sixth Scrolls.
	What do you think would happen?
	President Bush and Secretary.
	Clearly, this got very political.
	But in the Six-Day War, lo and behold, on June 7th, 1967, guess what?
	The Israelis suddenly owned the scrolls.
	Why?
	Because they took over East Possibly.
	They occupied the land.
	They occupied the Rockefeller.
	The scrolls are in the basement of the Rockefeller to this day.
	These photographs were made back in the 50s.
	Wow, so that's interesting.
	They occupied, the Israelis took what is now called Rockefeller Museum.
	They have a big third temple display there.
	And it was called the Palestinian archaeology something, and then they took it and called it Rockefeller.
	50s or 60s.
	Museum?
	You know, as a preservation in case of war or destruction.
	So we have them.
	So now the Israelis own the scrolls.
	But the Israelis didn't want to rock the boat in terms of the team that had been working.
	There was patience in the 60s, a sense that, well, they've only had them for 15, 20 years.
	It's very technical.
	You saw how some of these fragments have to be pieced together.
	Thank you, Ghost of Aldam.
	For the hours of work they've spent.
	Not kosher.
	Ghost of Aldam, not Kosh.
	you can imagine by Bedouins coming in.
	Here's a box of It literally almost swept off off the floor.
	What goes with what?
	So we give them credit for that.
	But then as you go through the 60s, the 70s, the 80s.
	Too slow.
	Some of this material, like you see in here a whole page that doesn't need piecing together.
	It just needs publishing.
	Let people read it.
	Let people look at it.
	So who owns the scrolls?
	That's the question.
	I would say essentially humanity, right?
	All of us.
	But the Jewish people, basically.
	You're saving the Jewish people first, then humanity.
	These things are written in Hebrew.
	They're in Hebrew.
	They're about the Jewish people.
	And they relate to the very important period of what we call Second Temple Judaism.
	Christians call it Judaism of the time of Jesus of Nazareth.
	It's the foundations of Western civilization.
	Of course it is.
	I mean, this material, you realize without this, you know what we had?
	We had the New Testament.
	We had some rabbinic traditions, but the Mishnon Talmud don't come until 200 or 300 years later.
	So as far as first century, we had Josephus and the New Testament.
	I would admit.
	Now we've got hundreds of additional materials from that very period.
	I would contest even the idea that the Jordanians own it because the Jordanians lived in that territory.
	They owned it at that point simply by right of.
	But that was Jewish land.
	Why were the Jewish scrolls there?
	Because the Essenes lived there.
	I mean, it's simply a proof that the West Bank was Jewish land.
	There were no Jordanians in the world.
	You bring up, without becoming political, let me point out something that's kind of fascinating.
	We should give this gentleman credit.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Rafio.
	If you notice in the dedication of this volume, the Bible Archaeology Society is grateful to the Irving I. Moscow Foundation, Moscow, for its generous funding of this publication.
	Mr. Muskovitz was interviewed in the Washington Post just two weeks ago when these came out.
	He said that he had marginal interest in the religious content of these scrolls, but he wanted to get these out because, in fact, as a Jew, he felt that Jewish texts found on the West Bank should come out immediately to make the point.
	So it's an interesting thing.
	It probably should be said that all these things were written and buried there in those caves before the first, six, seven hundred years before the first Moslem walked the earth.
	Exactly.
	Okay.
	So what's coming up in English?
	We can't study these.
	These are Hebrew.
	Okay, I want to show two.
	William Orange says, you love my Paul impression?
	Hey, Goya, don't worship your idols.
	Worship the Jewish God and the Jewish Messiah.
	You'll be enslaved.
	I mean, slave, saved.
	Not very good impression.
	Not Jewish, though.
	What was my Paul impersonation?
	Did I do that?
	Volumes that your viewers can get at bookstores.
	I'm ready to promote scroll interests.
	I think Jews, Christians, everyone should discuss this material.
	It's fascinating.
	This is the Dead Sea Scrolls in English by Vermish.
	This is Penguin Press, readily available in most cases.
	And that's got all the material in English.
	This is a similar version of it.
	You have two choices.
	This is Gaster's version of it.
	I know.
	I know a lot of sense.
	These Jewish scribblings and fairy tales are hardly the basis for Western civilization.
	The foundation of West.
	How could we have a civilization if not for these magical stories written down by these ancient Jews?
	Forget the Greeks and the Romans and Plato and Republics and Senates and Homer and Odyssey.
	Forget all of that.
	None of that's the basis for anything.
	It's just these ancient Jewish scribblings.
	Good point.
	With Doubleday Press.
	But I would suggest that people even start with this material.
	If any of your viewers have heard about the Dead Sea Scrolls, but they've never quite really seen them or read them.
	This is material from the time of the New Testament, from the time of the ancient rabbis, contemporary.
	You know, begin maybe with the published material.
	For the unpublished material, unfortunately, you're going to have to wait a while.
	However, Robert Eiseman and Michael Wise, the two men largely responsible for some of these materials, are going to bring out a volume of 200 of what they consider to be the most interesting text.
	I got their book, too.
	That's Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered, I think is the title of their book.
	I borrowed it from the library several times and took all these screenshots and quoting it for the book.
	Obviously, that Messiah text that we discussed last time.
	In fact, both of the ones we did in your previous program will be in that.
	And I guess 198 others.
	Now, that will be ready in the spring.
	So I'll update you so that you can announce to yourself.
	All right, we'll keep an eye on that.
	We'll say when those are, because we're going to do this right along.
	I don't think that there will be a time we're not doing a Dead Sea Scroll from what you said.
	In other words, there will be a show all the time because you'll be doing over to Israel to dig some more caves.
	You're going to find some more scrolls.
	Perhaps.
	Thank God that land came back to the Israelis.
	What's the benefactor's interest in the politics?
	I mean, is this going to change the end of time, or is the Jordanians going to back up?
	What does it mean politically?
	Can you interpret?
	I don't think it's having too much effect at this point.
	I think the benefactor was trying to make a point in the past in retrospect that now at long last, you know, these materials are out.
	It wouldn't make a Jordanian heart flutter a little bit to say, gee, these people are my neighbors, and that's really their scrolls.
	We should interview Jordanians and find out.
	That might be an idea.
	By the way, in the 60s, Jews were added to the committee slowly.
	Slowly but surely.
	And now there are some.
	And now there are Jews on the committee.
	I should add that, just for accuracy.
	Probably going to have it.
	In fact, the head of the committee is Jewish.
	But it did take a while.
	Well, if I found some Mexican documents in the ground in Arizona, I wouldn't call the Chinese to work on it.
	And unfortunately, the early editors, this is a known fact.
	It was the front page New York Times, were openly anti-Zionist.
	Now, I think they would deny that they were anti-Semitic, but they were anti-Zionists.
	If you recall, the chief editor was removed just not too many months ago.
	I read about that.
	For making statements that Judaism was a fossilized religion.
	It should have disappeared long ago and so forth.
	Not very familiar with the Bible, is he?
	And even Father DeVoe was pretty well outspoken as a person who would never set foot in Israeli territory or deal with Israelis in any way.
	That is part of the story.
	How can people by logic be chosen?
	Wow, so the Christian guy that was in charge of it was anti-Jewish, he's claiming.
	Wow.
	Against the people who wrote the scrolls.
	I mean, down to the soles of their feet would not put his foot in Israeli territory.
	How would anyone choose him?
	Or did they choose him on purpose?
	Well, the Jordanians chose him.
	That sounds more like it in order to bury the scrolls, maybe.
	Who knows?
	Okay, I don't want to put you on the scroll.
	It makes me angry, I can tell you.
	Well, you're Jewish, so you have the right to fume.
	Okay, let's put it on.
	I guess Tabor is not Jewish.
	I think he was raised Christian.
	Who were the people anyway?
	The Essenes who wrote the scrolls.
	People say the Essenes.
	Help us with who wrote the scrolls.
	Until, I don't want to put you off, but until this very important material from K-4 comes out more, we've got so many questions.
	For example, before I saw that wounded Messiah text, I could have spun one theory, you see.
	And now I've got to also factor that in to any theory I might spin.
	What we can say, and that's why I think some of your viewers would like to see the things already in English, is you look at this group of so-called Essenes.
	Let's just call them the people at Qumran.
	And they're talking about a new covenant, preparing the way of the Lord in the wilderness.
	Sounds like I'm talking about the New Testament.
	Sure, it does.
	Baptism, holy meals.
	They have a council of 12.
	You can just roll off these parallels.
	They're talking of a Messiah and so forth.
	So the early idea was, well, these are probably Christians.
	You know, they are the early Christians.
	And yet, if you look at their legal material, good example.
	They say, for example, if your beast falls in the ditch on the Sabbath or is giving birth on the Sabbath, you can't help it.
	The Sabbath, the Jewish rest day.
	That would be breaking the Sabbath.
	Jesus is quoted, as you know, in Luke, saying precisely the opposite.
	Which one of you would not help a beast?
	So clearly, I think you said this on an earlier show you did.
	You cannot say that Jesus is a part of this community because he doesn't seem to share their worldview.
	No, he wasn't legalist.
	No.
	On the other hand.
	Or because Jesus didn't exist and the people that created Christianity were familiar with this community and made a different version of it.
	What he shares with them is a set of ideas about the new covenant, the Messiah, the resurrection of the dead, the end of the age, you know, a world of ideas different from the people in Jerusalem.
	So these people are out in the desert.
	John the Baptist is out in the desert.
	Jesus is out in the desert.
	They share some common enemies and foes.
	And in that sense, that's where we are.
	We have lots of parallels, but I think it's really jumping the gun to say these people were Christian in any way.
	I just simply say they were the new covenanters of Qumran.
	I don't draw it personally.
	I don't think Bible readers really do draw a distinction between Christians and Jews.
	Early Christians were Jews.
	All of these Christians were Jews.
	All the disciples, all the apostles were Jews.
	I'd rather think of them, if I may, as people who, upon hearing of the Messiah, like all of us, either chose to follow him or not follow him.
	Those who followed him.
	And various Messiahs of the period were.
	You know, the Essenes might have followed him.
	Sure, there's Shammai, there's Hillel, there's heroes of the faith a lot.
	But the ones who said he answers Isaiah's messianic prophecies, as you pointed out on the past show, seems to me they were believers, but they wouldn't be called anything different by observing the Romans.
	Nobody was saying that they're Christians, right?
	Some follow this Galilean, some follow this other.
	And these Jews out in the desert, these Qumran Jews, are Messianic Jews.
	We're just not sure all they thought about it.
	But they're Messianic in the sense that they're very interested in, as we saw in these texts and other texts, in the Messiah and who is the Messiah.
	So they're searching the scriptures for God's hidden mysteries about the Messiah.
	That's OB for five.
	I guess you're not a Jew either, OB.
	Thank you.
	Televised lies says, Adam, I don't want to derail the show.
	I'm not going to let you.
	This new five-minute Johnny Chan video has some good soundbites for a compilation.
	Have a look whenever, bro.
	Okay, thank you.
	I will.
	Johnny Chan, never heard of that.
	Johnny Chan on Jewish fairy tales.
	Televised lies.
	Okay, what's up?
	You are televised lies.
	This is your video.
	Cool.
	Did you just post this?
	14 minutes ago.
	Wow, you're fresh off the presses.
	Thank you.
	And Ghost of Eldon says, you've got ancestors that were on the Mayflower.
	We was pilgrims in shit.
	That's cool.
	You've been able to trace that back to the Mayflower.
	You hear people say that quite a bit.
	What will he do and so forth.
	So they share a common heritage, I think.
	And you've been there geographically.
	It's striking.
	You stand up around Jericho or along the Jordan River, look down.
	People sometimes say, I wonder If Jesus or John knew about Qumran, were they blind?
	I mean, of course they knew about it.
	I think they didn't agree.
	I think it's not unlikely that Jesus and John could be two Jews who broke from that community, sharing many of the ideas, but having a different view of the law, of the Torah, how to keep the Jewish law.
	Clearly, they're not the same, Ms. Qumran, in terms of the Jewish law.
	Some of Jesus' critics said he ate with publicans and sinners.
	They would never come.
	They would never.
	People at Qumran didn't eat with anybody.
	Paul would be the ultimate apostate to go to the Goyim, the Gentile world.
	Sure.
	Please be.
	And yet, you've got all those parallels in terms of worldview.
	That's why it's interesting.
	It's like apostate, apostate.
	The scriptures, the same scriptures that they're citing about going about the Messiah also talk about the Goim believing in the God of Israel and bowing down to the Messiah.
	So how does that make him an apostate to go to the Gentiles?
	I don't disagree with that at all.
	I see that.
	His version of Judaism ultimately conquered Rome.
	Oh, thank you.
	Oh, I'm so hungry.
	Do you want to say hi?
	Okay.
	She never does anymore.
	Yard of where early Christianity began.
	Thoroughly Jewish, thoroughly Messianic.
	Resurrection of the dead, all these doctrines that Christianity later.
	And we finally evolve a denomination that makes a priest who says, I won't set my foot in Israel.
	Amazing.
	It can happen.
	Just amazing.
	Just astonishing.
	Okay, what now?
	Are we going to get more scrolls?
	Now, I know, and you've told me you're going over there and you're going to take machines.
	You're going to look in some more caves.
	And I'm going to send my Israeli crew with you so that we can get a look at what you're doing.
	But what do you predict?
	You don't want to go predict you're going to find something.
	And the Bedouins have certainly and others have sacked that land and tried to find it.
	But it's never been done fully and systematically.
	And that's what a team is now beginning to do, of which I'm a part.
	Professor Eiseman is head of it.
	Michael Weiss, Philip Davies from Sheffield, England.
	It's an international team.
	And what we're going to do is systematically map and survey the caves with surface radar.
	It's never been done before.
	So you go in a cave and you don't start digging.
	That would be foolish.
	You try to find, first of all, if there's any particular reason to dig, this can give you a reading on up to three, six meters down what might be there.
	And doing it more systematically.
	Some of these caves, as you, you know, you drive around that area along the road, you'll see a little opening like this.
	Yes.
	Which, if you poked your head in, might be a large cave.
	Cave one, the first cave.
	The original opening was small.
	The shepherd boy rose his rocking.
	And yet now, if you go there, it's all open and you can walk in.
	So I think, like I say, I don't want to predict we will find this, but we're going.
	We go every December between semesters.
	We take our students and we go for three weeks.
	People who are interested can sometimes participate.
	And, you know, it's open.
	As we saw in the spot, we take our people.
	So they can see what it's like.
	And as time goes on, what's ahead?
	I have to believe that there's more material out there.
	And the one thing we haven't found yet, we found Bar Kokhba letters.
	Bar Kokhba was the Jewish Messiah, you know, of 135.
	We found the Qumran.
	You know what we haven't found yet are copies from the early Jewish Messianic followers of Jesus of Nazareth.
	We haven't found that yet.
	Now, did that completely disappear or not?
	I don't think first church documents.
	I think when the war began, destroyed it.
	We're talking here on Pearl Harbor days.
	Christians either tampered and meddled with or destroyed or didn't preserve the original texts of Christianity.
	I think the biggest one that we lost that we know of is probably the gospel according to the Ebionites, the Gospel of the Hebrews, and the ascents of James.
	So I'm thinking of, but when the war began in original versions of the ascension of Isaiah as well.
	In the first century, we have record that the Jewish believers under the leadership of Jesus' cousin, actually Simeon, who was the relative of Cleophas.
	There's a bloodline there.
	James, the brother, had died and so forth.
	That they fled.
	And they went around the Jordan River, is the tradition we have, up and down, east and west bank of the Jordan.
	Perhaps took stuff with them.
	I mean, this is an ultimate dream, but who knows?
	We have to keep on.
	Oh, wouldn't this be wonderful?
	How would it change?
	Let me speak to you as a Jewish person.
	For people that believe in Jesus already, more evidence is nothing surprising.
	They already believe.
	But Jewish people, let's say, we've had Jewish people calling into our offices and writing into the program saying, why did the rabbis tell us these things?
	That is to say, they've never read Isaiah 53.
	They never knew the Old Testament prophesied a man exactly like Jesus.
	They didn't tell the story of Jesus answers to voluminous messianic prophecy.
	Now, if you start getting letters out of the ground, I mean, I mean, copied scrolls that could be carbon dated by disinterested chroniclers of the day.
	They weren't believers in this, that, or the other.
	They simply wrote down what happened and what they observed.
	And it comes out that Jesus' historicity has greatly increased everything he did.
	Even the resurrection seems to have been valid.
	How will that change Judaism?
	I think what the scrolls might do for both groups would be to get Christians to recover their Jewish heritage, which they've largely lost.
	And maybe Jews to acknowledge, and many do, many educated Jews, especially.
	The scholars I work with, this is passe to them, it's a given, is to acknowledge that the earliest movement of Jewish Christianity, if you want to call it that, is a thoroughly Jewish phenomenon.
	It's not an aberration.
	It's a form of Judaism in the first century.
	And I run it.
	And to take back the scrolls, to take back Jesus as well.
	And I think both Jews and Gentiles, Christian or Jew, then need to meet together in a more common dialogue on these questions.
	And in view of the, as a scholar, even, I could say that.
	I think we're all for understanding.
	You know, if there's a Jewish text that talks of a slain Messiah, let's talk about that.
	If there's this text or that text, I think we're in an age where everything should become open.
	You're open minded.
	There should be just absolute discussions of all these things.
	Now, my gosh, with stuff like this coming up, this is dynamite.
	This is going to shake people up on all sides.
	I sometimes start my opening class in Christian Origins at the university by saying, was Jesus a Christian or a Jew?
	And just pause.
	Most interesting.
	And then I say, for the next 12 weeks, we'll be discussing this point.
	Good point.
	Wow.
	I was a little late missing that, but how he said, oh, it's a purely Jewish phenomenon.
	I got to clip this up with the highlights, post it online.
	Yeah, get Christians to recover their Jewish heritage.
	Get the Jews to realize Christianity is completely Jewish.
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	I'm going to have to clip this up.
	This has been pretty good.
	What a gem.
	Same question comes to me all the time.
	Hard question to answer for people.
	They've never thought about it.
	But I also taught for six years at the University of Notre Dame.
	And I think in that context, particularly, this is the cream of the crop in terms of Roman Catholic students, very good students.
	It's very hard for them, particularly, to think of Jesus as a Jewish.
	James, I hate to cut you off at a point like this, but we'll have you back again.
	We have to wrap it up for now, and we're going to send our crew with you.
	Thanks so much for sharing with us.
	I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
	Good to be with you.
	Here at the University of Chicago, Professor Michael Wise has just recently obtained photos of scroll segments.
	Dr. Wise is an expert in biblical Hebrew and Aramaic and has found excerpts which address the Messiah in a very unique manner.
	Now, this is a fragment that has gotten some attention.
	It starts off by quoting the book of Isaiah, the 11th chapter, the first verse, a shoot shall come forth from the root of Jesse.
	The root of Jesse, of course, Jesse, the father of David.
	So here was a reference to a son of David, which was, of course, often a messianic way of referring to future figures.
	They had to be a son of David in order to qualify as the Messiah.
	And it goes on to say: The Bible, the Bible even specifies that Messiah, when he comes, whoever he may be, must be out of the family of David.
	That's right.
	And the people knew that.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	So anyone they would describe as a Messiah had to qualify in that way.
	The fourth line here is the one that's really interesting.
	It says, And they will put to death the prince of the congregation.
	Now, we know from other Dead Sea Scrolls that the words Nesi Ha'edah, prince of the congregation, refer to a Messianic son of David figure.
	They are speaking of a messianic figure here who is evidently being put to death.
	Now that's very, very important for us.
	And especially as the next line throws a little more light on it.
	And with piercings, a priest shall give order.
	And we don't know what followed.
	Again, it's broken.
	Piercings, as in they shall look upon me whom they've pierced.
	That's right.
	They shall look upon him whom they have pierced.
	And it's the same Hebrew word.
	And they obviously don't know of the Jesus New Testament story, because there would be more details specific to Jesus like we see in the New Testament.
	All this shows is from their reading of scripture and connecting different verses, you get the Jesus narrative without a Jesus, without a historical figure.
	So it seems to be that this text is bringing together quotations from various portions of the book of Isaiah and applying them to a figure.
	Yeah, but this author trusted Isaiah to the degree that he's reiterating this prophecy, applying it to a messianic figure of the time.
	And it's very interesting, too, that he appears to be referring to Isaiah 53 because we don't have evidence in general that that very important chapter of the Hebrew Bible was understood messianically among the Jews at the time of Jesus, apart from this text.
	Of course, the early Christians from the very beginning understood that text to refer to Jesus.
	So they had a messianic understanding of that portion of Isaiah.
	But scholars have always said, well, did the Jews, other than those who became the early Christians, have this understanding?
	And our evidence has always said that the majority of the Jews, the only evidence we really had, suggested that the Jews thought the chapter didn't refer to an individual, but rather to the nation of Israel as the suffering servant.
	That's usually the answer if one is trying to prove that passage.
	There's a Targum, which is an Aramaic translation with commentary, or it can be changes, interpretation of Hebrew scripture.
	And there's a Targum called Targum Jonathan.
	And he specifically says that the servant in Isaiah 53 is the Messiah.
	So another early Jewish source showing that it was being interpreted messianically.
	And if they believed Isaiah 53 is messianic and they're reading it, they learn that a Messiah is meant to die for sins and to be pierced.
	This is to be Christological to a Jew.
	He says, my rabbi said that's the nation of Israel that's God's servant.
	But evidently what you're saying is the people that wrote these scrolls thought this applied to a man, not a nation.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And it should be emphasized that this is one way of interpreting the scroll.
	Scholars are going to be writing about this scroll and many others for many years.
	There's very little that's absolutely straightforward as we study these materials.
	Am I completely crazy to say that this is one of the great finds of modern times, that people are going to talk about our century as the time the Dead Sea scrolls came out?
	I don't believe that's an exaggeration at all.
	I'm so excited.
	I don't know how to tell you.
	And I was from the first day that I heard of, especially these messianic texts.
	And the reason it's such a big fine is because it discredits Christianity.
	Well, we have another Messianic text, if you'd like to look at that one.
	Yes.
	This is a text that starts off at the beginning here, speaking apparently, it says, Hashemaim the Ha'aritz, Yishmu'u, Lim Shi Cho, the heavens and the earth will listen to, i.e.
	obey, his Messiah.
	Meshicho.
	Meshicho, HaMashiach.
	That is the Messiah of God, Meshicho, his Messiah.
	And the text goes on to describe some of the marvelous things that this, and it's not clear whether it's God himself who's doing it or the Messiah who's doing it, and I don't believe it's really important because the two are so closely fused in the text, which goes on to quote portions again of Isaiah.
	We have here down in this line a reference to, he shall raise the dead.
	Literally, make to live the dead.
	Professor Wise, there's ongoing discoveries in the scrolls, and some of the most recent, I've understood, have messianic ideas involved.
	That's right, Zoel.
	There are a number of texts among the scrolls that have very interesting messianic ideas or statements.
	This is one of the most interesting of the new scrolls.
	It seems to be related to the book of Daniel.
	The author, we don't know who the author was or who the seer was, the one giving the interpretation of the vision, because that's over here in the portion of the scroll that's missing.
	But whoever it is, falls down before a king and goes on to ask, O king, why are you so angry, and why are you gnashing your teeth?
	That which is to come, the God, the great God, that would be God, of course, of heaven, has revealed to you, and everything's going to come to pass just as he says it will.
	And we have a portion here, which is unfortunately more broken.
	And we've learned that that's a rule in scroll scholarship and in general in the study of ancient texts.
	Or the Murphy's law of ancient times.
	That's the portion you really want to have, isn't there?
	And everything else that tantalizes you is there.
	But the portion that's really of great.
	This is real average, isn't it?
	Daniel talking to the king.
	There are several scenes like that in the book of Daniel, interpreting his dreams.
	That's right.
	This is right along with that genre of text.
	But the point that's different, and it doesn't occur in the book of Daniel, is very interesting to us as scholars and to any person who's interested, I think, in the Bible.
	We have here at the bottom of this first column, and going over then to the top of the second column, reference to a figure who is to come.
	Read that for me in the original here.
	Let me hear what it sounds like.
	This is a text that's written in Aramaic.
	Okay.
	And it says, Uvishmei, Yeith Kane.
	And by his name, he will be nicknamed or called.
	And apparently it means a figure who will be called by the name of God or known by the name of God.
	Okay, in a special way.
	Like Jesus, Yehoshua, God's salvation.
	Is that really what?
	Okay.
	Now we go up to the top.
	"Brei di el yith amar, uvar alyon yith kone." The Son of God he will be called, and the Son of the Most High, they will call him Yikrone.
	Well, this is right out of the book of Luke.
	It's very, very similar to the first chapter.
	That's exactly what they call Jesus, Son of the Most High.
	It will be in the first chapter.
	That's right.
	Almost word for word identical.
	It is not impossible, Zola, that the author of the book of Luke knew this text, this Aramaic text, and thought that it referred to Jesus.
	No, no, no.
	They invented Jesus based on ideas like this.
	Oh, maybe the real guy named Jesus did this.
	You don't need.
	Why do they all think that there had to be a person when you have all of the ingredients here for a Jesus?
	Crazy.
	I can't believe it has heard that.
	This text may not have been intended to be referring to any particular figure, but the interpretation of it is what's interesting.
	The Christians, early Christians, may have interpreted it in a way, and someone else might have interpreted it in a different way, just like we do with texts of the Bible today and have all through history.
	Having seen this writing, upon beholding, Jesus thought, this is the man that answers that text.
	It is so close to the book of Luke, and the wording is so nearly identical that it's striking, and it's hard for us to, it's not difficult, let's put it that way, to believe that the author of Luke knew this Aramaic original.
	And of course, scholars have always thought that there might have been Aramaic and Hebrew sources that the authors of the Greek Gospels knew and used.
	There may even have been Gospels in or other of the Semitic languages.
	Fascinating.
	And you have others.
	Okay, and now watch this.
	Here's the Luke that they're referring to there.
	It says, You will conceive, give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.
	He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.
	The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.
	Holy Spirit will come to you.
	The power of the Most High will overshadow you.
	So the one will be born will be called the Son of God.
	No angels showed up to a historical Jesus to speak to Mary and tell her these things.
	They were influenced with this Dead Sea Scroll, and that's where the concept and the idea came from.
	And we see a later progression of it in Christianity.
	Incredible.
	This has been buried for the 2,000 years, give or take.
	That's right.
	And we've just gotten this.
	We've just gotten it.
	As if the smoking guns weren't big enough.
	There's another one.
	So what do I got?
	A Son of God scroll.
	Luke 1.
	Dude.
	So we now have the opportunity to study what is essentially an addition to the book of Daniel, talking about a Messiah.
	Christ Cuts BTFO.
	The people that wrote these texts were Bible people.
	Yeah.
	Thank you, Anti-Zog.
	That's funny.
	You see what I see.
	Clearly, they copied from many older myths.
	Retarded Christ Cuck just ignores that.
	Totally, he does.
	We got nine more minutes of this one.
	We're going to have to do a part three where we do.
	Here's Tabor recently, the guy we've been watching this whole stream.
	And he's talking about this.
	The title of this is Robert Eiseman in the Dead Sea Scrolls: Best Interview Ever.
	How long is it?
	It's an hour long.
	I've watched it before.
	I remember it was good.
	So we're going to do a part three of the scrolls and go over this whole interview and make it a trilogy.
	One more installment of the Dead Sea Scrolls for our deep dive.
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	Okay, let's finish this up here.
	And we still have this stuff to cover, too.
	From Eisenman and Wise's book, The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered.
	We're going to have to go over some other information as well.
	We have that one and that one, a few of the quotes from the book, The Son of God Scroll.
	Oh, just realized that we're not showing anything.
	There we go.
	This is what I was showing you guys.
	This book.
	Did we play this one?
	Testament of Levi found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, too.
	That's a banger.
	Maybe we'll end with designated 4.
	We'll end with that one.
	That one's another huge smoking gun.
	So many smoking guns, guys.
	It's over.
	Case closed.
	And then they lived in Israel.
	Of course, the period of the Dead Sea.
	Nail in the coffin.
	They were familiar with biblical books.
	Very familiar.
	That was their reading.
	That was what they thought and meditated upon.
	Even those who couldn't read.
	And it appears that only about 15 to 20% of the population was literate in the ancient world.
	Even those who couldn't read, of course, could hear the scriptures being read and expounded.
	And this was their world.
	The people who wrote these scrolls knew the Bible better than almost anyone on earth today.
	There are a few, you know, those who've memorized the Bible are the only ones who are comparable in their knowledge of the Bible to those who wrote these scrolls.
	Because these were the scholars of their day, the most brilliant men, and mostly men.
	We don't have too much evidence for women of Israel and spent their lives in this way.
	So when they speak of a figure, big messianic, they've read messianic prophecy.
	They don't say this rightly.
	That's absolutely right.
	They know messianic prophecy very well.
	They copied a whole Book of Isaiah, for example.
	That's right.
	Now, what other messianic scrolls have you found?
	Now, this is the fragment that has gotten some attention.
	It starts off by quoting the book of Isaiah.
	I think we saw this already.
	In the 11th chapter, the first verse.
	We did.
	Appreciate Messiahs came down the road pell-mill a lot of the time.
	And Jesus himself spoke of such things.
	You'll recall in the Gospel of Mark the so-called little apocalypse when he's talking about various portions of the book of Isaiah and applying them to a figure.
	This author trusted Isaiah to the degree that he's reiterating this prophecy, applying it to a messianic figure of the tongue.
	And it's very interesting, too, that he appears to be referring to Isaiah 53 because we don't have evidence in general that that very important chapter of the Hebrew Bible was understood messianically among the Jews at the time of Jesus, apart from this text.
	Of course, the early Christians from the very beginning understood that text to refer to Jesus.
	So they had a messianic understanding of that portion of the Bible.
	I suppose, waving palm branches and shouting, Baruch Hashem.
	Baruch HaBad B'Shem Adonai.
	Baruch HaBad B'Shem Adonai.
	Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord.
	That's right.
	Now, in your view, some are shouting, blessed is this Messiah in answer to Zechariah 9, 9, our king comes.
	And others are shouting, blessed is this general who can heal the sick and feed people out of two baskets or a basket of fish and loaves.
	This fellow who's going to deliver us from Rome.
	Yeah, many of these crowds, as you recall, disappeared when things got a little bit rough.
	They weren't really believers in Jesus yet.
	They were willing to believe if he did what they expected.
	If he would perform the way they wanted him to perform, they would follow him.
	But otherwise, it was dependent on his accomplishing some political purpose.
	The idea of rising against Rome in this time was very popular.
	And if a figure would rise up and say, I will lead you to victory against the Romans, follow me.
	See, what's the purpose of Christianity and the Messiah?
	Victory over Rome.
	And then Rome started worshiping and bowing to this fake Messiah that they invented, that they manufactured.
	They constructed from scripture by design.
	And then now the rabbis brag about it today, how Judaism conquered Rome through the Messiah.
	He could get a good following.
	We know of other figures who arose around the time of Jesus or before, who led people out into the wilderness.
	They would redo the wilderness wanderings as they did in the time of Moses.
	Whose image makers may have said he raises the dead.
	That's right.
	He walks on water.
	Well, one of them even predicted that he would march around the walls of Jerusalem and the walls would fall.
	Oh, yes.
	The Romans would be defeated.
	But that man wasn't a true Messiah because the Romans went out and cut his head off.
	Well, I'm reminded of Bar Kokhba in 135 AD who led a revolt against Rome that led to a half million Israelites killed and a total dispersion.
	He was killed defending a town the size of what?
	Bethar was its name, I remember.
	Yes, a small little central.
	People should appreciate Messiahs came down the road pell mell a lot of the time.
	And Jesus himself spoke of such things.
	You'll recall in the Gospel of Mark the so-called little apocalypse when he's talking about many will come in my name and they will say, go out to them.
	What do they mean when they say go out to them, go out to this person?
	They would go out into the wilderness.
	There was an association between the messianic movement.
	And I mean in that way, there was a movement, a group of different, a welter of different groups who were interested in this rise of a messianic leader who would lead them against Rome.
	It would always involve going out into the wilderness.
	That's where they expected.
	Since no messianic leader could come and magically conquer Rome on the battlefield, instead they invented a Messiah that spiritually conquered them and then convert through conversion psychologically controlled people.
	Theologically subdued, which you can see from the plans in the scriptures all over.
	Case clothes, nails in the coffin.
	The Messiah to appear.
	That's why some believed that John the Baptist was the Messiah.
	He was out there baptizing.
	Michael, what other interesting scrolls have come up now recently?
	This text goes through That's right.
	This part is torn away.
	This part is torn away.
	Right here you can see a binding.
	A stitching.
	What they would do is they would stitch together.
	Think about this.
	If these Christians had it for decades before they were released, imagine if there was like a little piece that said something that they didn't want out.
	Would the Christian to defend Christianity just like throw that piece in the trash, crumble it up and put it in his pocket and throw it away at home?
	I bet they would.
	They would certainly cover it up if there was something that would completely debunk a Jesus.
	Pieces of leather, each piece of leather would hold four or five columns.
	When they ran out of space for that, they'd have to start a new piece of leather and they'd stitch them together.
	So that means there were four or five columns before this and four or five after that.
	And we can start to piece together the way the whole scroll might have looked.
	And we see this sort of hint.
	Anyway, this text is called the New Jerusalem text.
	And it goes through an angel leads the seer, we don't know if it was Ezekiel or somebody like him, around the city of Jerusalem that exists in the heavens.
	It's going to someday be on the earth.
	Oh, the New Jerusalem.
	New Jerusalem is coming down.
	Oh, that's the other one.
	That's right.
	The idea of a new heavenly Jerusalem was also already in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	New heavenly Jerusalem.
	Oh, my God.
	And this author builds on the book of Ezekiel, the last eight chapters, or nine chapters talking about.
	The description of the temple of Jesus.
	That's right, the temple of the future and the city of the future and gives all the measurements down to the last detail.
	Far more measurements than are given in the Bible in much more detail than is given in the Bible in either the New or Old Testament.
	Where did the scroll writer get his information?
	That's a good question.
	My Lord.
	That's a good question.
	But I think that one reason that they went through all these things in such meticulous detail was that it was a sign of how sure that future was.
	If you could actually know all these facts down to the last little measurement, the last qubit, how certain you must be in your belief that God would bring this all to pass.
	And how reassuring it would be to read this and to know that somehow these things were sure and fast.
	In Daniel 12, 4, in the end of times, knowledge will increase.
	And I guess he meant this kind of knowledge, spiritual knowledge.
	We sure are getting it.
	And you're helping a lot, Michael.
	Thank you.
	I really want to thank you for appearing on our program.
	It's been fascinating.
	I never get tired of talking about these texts.
	Many of the scrolls were prophetic in nature.
	That is the commentary type of writing and featured stories about future wars, the sons of light versus the sons of darkness and so on.
	Rather like the book of Revelation when you read them.
	And of course, talk about the future temple.
	It was understood that the king would come and reign in a temple.
	Messiah would come to his people, a world ruler, and he would have his own temple.
	And it refers not to the third, but the fourth temple in history.
	We've seen two already: Solomon's and Zerubbabel's also called Herod's Temple.
	But we'll have a tribulation temple.
	Some people say that's virtually being built, although we have examined the temple artifacts in Jerusalem and we've had them on our programs, and it isn't really being built, but it's sure being thought about.
	And then will be the fourth temple, the one that's pictured in the scrolls, a millennial temple.
	It's described in the Bible in Ezekiel 40 to 48.
	Nine chapters of description, and those who read the prophets are quite familiar with that temple.
	One controversy that arises is: do they need a temple anyway since the temple was a house of sacrifice?
	2 Chronicles 7:12, God says, I accept this place unto myself as a house of sacrifice.
	Well, yes, there will be a temple in the millennium.
	That's clear.
	Ezekiel's writing is quite clear.
	And yes, there will be sacrifices in it.
	Every time I say this on the air, I get tons of letters, but please just look in there.
	From Ezekiel 43 to 45, you will see plenty of sacrifices given.
	And why sacrifices?
	No, not to forgive sin.
	Sin is a thing of the past among the believers in the kingdom, anyway.
	But the sacrifices seem to be of a memorial nature, a way to remember what it used to take to absolve sin, let's say, or how temple worship once was.
	There will be a certain number of sacrifices, and they are given in the scripture.
	So before you write to me, how about reading the original?
	I didn't make it up.
	I read it there.
	Okay, but the writer who talked about a future temple in Israel was an inspired writer indeed.
	You think God gave him his utterances because, after all, this is an amazing thing to say from his position in the first century there out in the wilderness near the Dead Sea.
	All right.
	And there it is: The Secrets of the Scrolls.
	Featuring James Tabor.
	Very interesting.
	And Michael Wise.
	The Michael Wise parts were good as well.
	Well, that is, I got a whole lot to write about in my book.
	I'm going to, again, like I said, do a part three where I play a few more highlights from these books.
	And we're going to go over the full Robert Eisenman interview about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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