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	Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
	I'm Adam Green.
	This is No More News.
	Got a great show for you guys today.
	A new guest on the show.
	And we're going to have an interview with him, get to know him, and then get into some of the latest news, chat about what's been going on, what's on our mind.
	I appreciate you all for being here.
	Did I do the date already?
	It's Friday, August 23rd, 2024.
	And our guest today, as you can tell from the headline, is the most famous.
	Oh, there you are.
	The most famous author on 4chan and most controversial horror novelist.
	He is a former Catholic turned Buddhist, and he's got some other eclectic, interesting conspiracy ideas.
	We're going to find out all about it.
	F. Gardner is here.
	He's got a book about Kabbalah.
	He's a fan of the show.
	Thanks for being here, F. Should I call you F or Gardner, or how should I, what should I call you?
	F Gardner, F. Gardner.
	Yeah.
	Any of the above is fine.
	What do you call yourself?
	What do you call yourself?
	Usually F. Gardner.
	That's usually what F. Gardner calls himself.
	But it's cool.
	Yeah.
	Dude, thanks for having me on.
	This is such an honor to be on the great Adam Green's show.
	I've been a longtime fan.
	And yeah, real quick, I guess I'll start off.
	I'll give a quick intro about who I am to those who may not know.
	Yeah, so I'm F. Gardner.
	I'm a horror novelist.
	I write the Horrors Call series of books.
	I've got 16 books in the series.
	And it's like an interconnected series of horror novels.
	You could read them in any order.
	So they're like kind of separate, like self-contained stories, but there's like little references here and there, maybe to like something else that happens or recurring character, things like that.
	But I tried to write it in such a way that like people, if they're first getting into it, they can start with any book they feel like.
	And yeah, I incorporate a lot of conspiracy theories into my books because that works really well with the genre of horror.
	And the past like six months or so, I've been touring lots of podcasts ever since the news about the synagogue tunnel stuff and New York happened.
	Because one of my books, so this book, Kabbalah of the Crocodile, that book entailed synagogue tunnels.
	And yeah, I was already familiar with the conspiracy theories about that.
	So this predates the news events about the synagogue tunnels.
	This was published.
	Let's see.
	But you just said there was already conspiracies about tunnels.
	Not even conspiracies.
	We know they have tunnels.
	They got tunnels under the dome of the rock and around Jerusalem as well.
	Oh, exactly.
	Yeah.
	And I don't think these are the only ones in terms of synagogues.
	Definitely not.
	I think.
	Yeah.
	But so I was already familiar.
	So, yeah, I don't even really normally like the term conspiracy theories because it's true.
	The term conspiracy theory is, I'm sure you're aware.
	It's like people have a bad reaction to that.
	A lot of the time they picture a guy wearing a tinfoil hat or just like a lunatic.
	So yeah, it's true no matter how you swing it, like the synagogue tunnel stuff.
	So yeah, this book is published April of, let me think, or no, March of 2023.
	So it predates the news events on the news about the synagogue tunnels.
	And I believe in the law of attraction, like thought magic.
	Don't worry, I'm not trying to convince you of that, nor Buddhism.
	I'll get into that in a second.
	You could try to convince me of thought magic.
	That's fine.
	What's thought magic?
	So you think about something and it happens.
	It's not quite as simple as that.
	So like the secret.
	Yes, yes, exactly.
	Yeah, that type of thing.
	Although it predates that.
	Like you could read about this stuff in terms of like ancient Chinese, like the ancient Chinese, not limited to just them, but like the power of intention, right?
	That's another way to explain it.
	Yeah.
	It's like the ancient Chinese, they understood what a placebo was.
	They thought of it as like thought magic.
	They didn't understand it the way it's like.
	Well, placebo is like magic in a way.
	It is.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	You think you're the chosen people?
	You take over the world.
	You think you're the best player in the NBA?
	You become Kobe Bryan or Michael Jordan.
	Exactly, man.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, I already, yeah, I knew about the conspiracy theories about the synagogue tunnels and stuff.
	And I thought, hmm, maybe I should write, I'll write a book about this to try to expose it via the law of attraction.
	And yeah, so your readers get an idea of what I mean.
	How the similarities don't just end there.
	This book, so it entails a man in Chicago.
	All my books take place in Chicago.
	I live in Chicago.
	Yeah, you got a nice Chicago skyrise behind you, unless that's a green screen.
	Nope.
	Nope, not a green.
	It looks a lot better at night.
	It's a little light today.
	Oh, I'm a night owl.
	Yeah, so I don't normally do videos of the day.
	But no, it's got a green screen.
	And what's up?
	How come you're always wearing like a ninja outfit or like a karate uniform?
	Oh, it's a kimono.
	Yeah.
	I've actually done martial arts much of my life, and I just kind of like the way it feels.
	It's comfy and stuff.
	I like where I am.
	So, yeah.
	Did you see when I had Zirka on?
	Or when I was on with Zirka, I wore like this old Halloween costume robe that I had to try to pretend to be like him because I saw him in some Versace robe.
	And it felt cool.
	You do feel like almost a character or superhero or something if you put on a costume like that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So this book is in Chicago and where I live and everything.
	And yeah, so the main character, he finds a book.
	It's one of my books.
	My series is really super like meta and everything.
	So the character finds my earliest book, which was Call of the Crocodile.
	This book is Kabbalah of the Crocodile.
	So yeah, my books get really meta.
	So is there like a real connection to crocodiles in Jewish Kabbalah?
	I hear people draw all sorts of parallels to that, ranging from like reptilian sorts of stuff, a conspiracy theorist to like the serpent and stuff like that.
	But yeah, so this book, it starts off.
	Yeah, he finds one of my books, Call of the Crocodile, and he's riveted by it.
	He thinks, whoa, it seems like this might have deep, like secret meanings.
	And he goes to his Kabbalah rabbis and stuff and wants them to decode my book.
	Okay, hold on, hold on.
	So a Jew finds one of your books that you authored in another book that you authored.
	A Jew finds one of your books.
	That's interesting.
	And then the rabbis find out that they're characters in my books from another reality.
	Where do you come up with these ideas?
	Do you like sit down and try to think like I want to write down a story and try to come up with something?
	Or are these ideas just like you dream about them or they come to you?
	Yes, much of the time in my dream, in my dreams.
	Yeah, it's like the more you do it, the more you write and everything, or anything that's artistic, I guess.
	It's like the more you find there's, I don't know.
	Can you tell us about your writing process?
	Because you've written how many books in this series?
	16, you said?
	Yes.
	So, and that's over a period of how long?
	A couple years?
	Four years.
	Four years.
	Yes.
	In the books, you said, is it the same characters throughout all of them, or is it like new stories for each one, new characters and stories for each one?
	Well, both.
	Sometimes there's recurrent characters.
	Sometimes it's a new character.
	So like the same universe, but different characters, different timelines or something?
	Pretty much.
	Yeah, that's a good way of summarizing it.
	And I try to make it so you could read these in any order and stuff.
	But my writing process, it's kind of, I wait for inspiration to hit me.
	And like much of the time after I have a dream.
	Especially if it's a nightmare.
	Did you say a dream or a drink?
	No, no, a dream.
	F. Gardner's actually on the wagon.
	So, no, not after a drink.
	On the wagon, the sobriety wagon.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	But anyway, yeah, so this book, yeah, the main character, he finds out he's in the latest F. Gardner book, Kabbalah of the Crocodile.
	This book hasn't been published yet in the story.
	And yeah, so he finds out there are synagogue tunnels in the synagogue and everything.
	There's like really dark Talmudic stuff going on.
	And that my books, it's like the law of attraction, thought magic type stuff.
	They're manifesting things in the reality.
	And the events, the events of the book are happening in real life.
	And do you think you're like a prophet?
	Sounds like you're saying you're like a prophet.
	Or are you just manifesting these things in the world?
	Should we blame you for the tunnels that you're taking credit for it?
	Maybe we should blame you.
	Well, I'm most definitely taking credit for it because I did this and it worked.
	You can't argue with the results.
	You should write a book that you win the lottery or something.
	Well, I'm not claiming to be a prophet or anything or a Buddha or enlightened or nothing like that.
	But you are a Buddhist, though.
	I am a Buddhist.
	I'll get into that in a second.
	So he finds the synagogue tunnels.
	And it gets into, yeah, he finds out there's like child sacrifice.
	Like there's a child that's kidnapped down there for like a satanic type sacrifice.
	And they get into the whole conspiracy that you specialize in and everything, you know, like about the secret purpose of Christianity.
	You said they get into it.
	You mean like the rabbis?
	The rabbis say Christianity is.
	They're revealing some of the deep, like really dark, deep, dark Talmudic secrets to him that they're like, okay, we're going to let you in on the stuff that we normally don't want people to know or like wait until they're like initiated and stuff like that later.
	And the main character, he's freaking out because it's so dark and sinister and everything.
	Is he a Christian?
	Is the character a Christian when he learns all this stuff?
	No, the main character is Jewish.
	Oh.
	Yeah, but he's like more like moderate or whatever.
	He doesn't know the like fire and brimstone, like old school orthodox type stuff.
	And they're telling him the really heavy ship at this at that point in the book.
	And so there's this where fiasco of the synagogue.
	And it's like in real life.
	The news crew and police show up.
	They're filming what's going on and everything outside of the synagogue and everything, just like all over the news.
	And the main character, he's trying to expose it.
	And he's labeled an anti-Semite by the media for trying to say what was really going on.
	They don't believe him.
	Yeah.
	And I even appeared toward the second half of the book.
	Like I said, my books get really meta.
	Have you written me?
	Because you've watched my channel for a long time, the idea of talking about Zionism and Christianity and Kabbalah and stuff.
	Have you written me in any of your characters of your book?
	Have I inspired any characters?
	Oh, well, no, that wouldn't be appropriate.
	I would have just written somebody, you know, a real life person.
	Well, inspiration?
	I'm offended that I didn't inspire a character, to be honest.
	So now I'm a little disappointed.
	Well, I learned a great deal from you, actually.
	Like, I have a lot to thank you for for my own spiritual journey and everything.
	Like I said, I've been a fan of yours for years.
	And being a truther, getting into conspiracies and stuff, you learn a lot from other people.
	Like, my most recent YouTube video, I was thanking Eric Dubay for a lot of stuff I learned from him.
	And Adam, yeah, I've learned a real lot of stuff from you.
	So, yeah, that's how it is.
	Like, I was recently on Sam Tripoli's show.
	I know you were too.
	And, yeah, I had already been a fan of him for years.
	So, yeah, it's cool.
	Like, you learn from truthers here and there.
	And, yeah, you get inspiration or whatever from them.
	Like, because it's like, you know, you study from people, people, like, hmm, what's this perspective?
	And you got to try to have a really open mind and everything.
	And, oh, yeah, what was I saying about me appearing?
	Yeah, so I appear in the book and I'm explaining things to the character, to the main character Lippman, why this happened and everything.
	And I explain Buddhism to him and everything too about my beliefs.
	Yeah, my books get super meta, like I said.
	And yeah, of the stuff you talk about, yeah.
	And tell about how you were going to auction the book.
	Or actually, you can go finish where you were going right there.
	I thought you were done.
	No, you can finish your thought, though.
	I don't want to get you off track.
	Oh, no, it's cool.
	Yeah, I tell the character about myself and everything, and the books that the series that he's in and everything.
	And it's one of the main characters' mind.
	You can't believe it.
	Yeah, so I tried to make my books like I tried to be very precise because with the law of attraction, you need to be really specific, as I've discovered, for like what you want to happen.
	Because I've had this happen a few times, actually, at this point.
	Like one of my old, a couple, a couple books, actually.
	One of my books, Reptilian Odyssey, it's about a big tech company making a virtual reality universe platform to connect everybody in, and they have like really sinister intentions.
	Well, what does that sound like?
	This happened.
	This is years ago, that book I published, predating the news events about that, the VR, stuff like that.
	And then I had a book, Horrors Call.
	My series is called Horror's Call, but I have one book in particular that's just titled Horrors Call.
	And he has a guy at a zoo.
	He's working at a zoo in Chicago.
	And he's like, wait a minute, that gorilla, it looks fake.
	It looks like a guy in a costume.
	And then about a year later, there's a story in China about the fake bear that people thought it was a guy in a costume.
	Yeah, so it's like you write about these things, and sometimes there can be little differences here and there.
	That's how the law of attraction works.
	So like, for example, my books, they take place in Chicago, but the news events, that was New York.
	Although that makes sense to me that that part would be consistent because all my books take place in Chicago.
	So yeah, there's little things that might differ here and there, but that's why you need to be like really specific with the law of attraction.
	And yeah, so this has become very controversial.
	Like Reddit made some sort of announcement on their book, our books, or whatever it's called, like R/slash books, where that you can't discuss F. Gardner's books.
	Yeah, and I've had all sorts of censorship on Twitter.
	And like Elon Musk, he says he's free speech, which I don't believe whatsoever.
	Yeah, so Twitter, all over the place, social media.
	Yeah, so get this book while you can, Cabalo the Crocodile.
	Yeah, who knows where this is.
	And you wanted to auction off your series.
	You're auctioning the rights off.
	Want to explain what your thought process is?
	Yeah, I want to make my books into like a movie series or a TV show.
	So yeah, I'm trying to find the right movie studio or TV studio or streaming, whatever.
	Yeah, they got to have the right vision and stuff and everything.
	It's not that.
	I'm just going to give it away without knowing who it is, what their offer is.
	But yeah, that's what I intend to do.
	I think this would be the perfect time for that.
	So yeah, what you're referring to, I did a video announcing that, yeah, I'm officially going to try to sell the rights to Horrors Call.
	Yeah.
	And I guess.
	Are you writing more or is the series over?
	Yeah, I'm going to keep writing until I seal the deal with that because who knows how long that's going to take.
	But yes, I'm writing more.
	I've been working on my latest manuscript that should hopefully come out maybe within a month or so.
	It's going really well so far.
	Were you a big non-fiction reader?
	I try to read a little bit of everything.
	When you're a writer, though, it's like a lot of your time is from the writing you're doing and rereading your own drafts and everything.
	So before you started writing, were you a fan of fiction?
	Oh, yeah.
	F. Gardner's a fan of you're a Christian, so you were reading the Bible.
	You were a fan of the fiction of the Bible.
	Like in my past, yeah.
	Oh, I guess I should get into that.
	Yeah, so I was raised Catholic.
	I'm a Buddhist now.
	And the stuff you talk about, that's a big part of why I became Buddhist, honestly.
	Because I tried looking into that stuff, and you can't refute it.
	It all checks out.
	The stuff you talk about, like Gamalil and Paul and Peter, Paul and Peter being his students, the Sanhedrin, and the push to have this Noahide law-complying religion for the Gentiles and just to getting everybody following United under Gentile law or Noahide laws, the Gentiles, the Torah.
	It makes sense that that's actually what they tried to do historically.
	And it's very disturbing.
	It's very dark.
	Almost everybody, when they look into this, they just get pissed if they're a Christian.
	They don't want to look into it.
	They just say, oh, no, that can't be true.
	Are you trying to use entertainment in fiction to introduce people to the ideas of Christianity being a deception?
	F. Gardner tries to be skillful about things.
	So in Buddhism, there's the idea of skillful means.
	If you're going to tell somebody something important, you need to be careful about how you say it.
	So I don't necessarily just go out with the intention of trying to proselytize people to what I believe Buddhism or otherwise.
	Like, it's like, so for example, when I used to be Christian, I'd never heard of a successful story of someone getting evangelized.
	People just get pissed.
	They just get angry.
	Yeah.
	It's like off-putting.
	So, oh.
	It works sometimes.
	It's worked really well or else Christianity wouldn't be as powerful and last as long as it did.
	I'm sure that there are instances, but I've just – I've never – They're rare, I'm sure.
	Like the street preacher, what's the percentage of people that walk by that a street preacher convinces of anything?
	How many people does walk By and think that guy's insane.
	Christianity is exane because of these street preachers.
	The vast majority of the time, yep, some people will just like get like Mormons knocking on your door.
	What's what's their success rate for Norman Mormons knocking on doors?
	It's got to be like less than one percent.
	Yeah, so I'm on one hand.
	Since I'm a Buddhist, I'm a pretty live and let live guy.
	And yeah, people have their.
	I'm not a mean-spirited dude.
	I'm not just going to go up to them and whatever.
	Am I too mean?
	Because I know you believe in flat earth and I shit on flat earthers all the time, but you're still a fan.
	It makes me almost feel like I wonder how many people are out there that I'm just like being a dick and insulting and so mean at the stuff that they believe every day.
	Got me thinking that last night.
	No, you're not, you're not a dick.
	You tell it like it is about what you think.
	And look, it's very rare in life you find somebody you agree with on everything.
	I agree with you on most things.
	With the stuff you specialize in, I do agree with you, even though I'm a flat earther.
	Because that's in like Buddhist sutras and stuff.
	They use the old pre-Vedic early.
	Buddhism is flat earth as well?
	Yeah, because Buddhism and Hinduism, they both have like that they, even though Buddhism doesn't accept the authority of the Vedas, it accepts the authority of the Buddha Dharma.
	It does still have the cosmology that would have existed in ancient India.
	So the flat earth, the dome, stuff like that.
	So yeah, it's an Indian dharmic rather religions and stuff too.
	Well, I wouldn't be surprised that people all over the world, like before we knew any better, would have thought that the earth was flat and the sun rotated around us.
	I mean, I could see why people would have thought that a long time ago.
	It makes sense.
	Before they realized that we were a globe.
	I see people in the chat are saying, F. Gardner, put this globe cuck in his place.
	That's funny.
	I want to get to your journey from.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, look, I realize what you probably think about flat earth.
	I don't want to.
	Let's not go there yet.
	Let's not go there yet.
	Hold on.
	I don't want to get it.
	I want to get into that a little bit later.
	Okay.
	I got notes in an order.
	ABX89 for 25.
	Appreciate it so much, bro.
	Says, hi, Adam.
	Keep green pilling.
	Always, always.
	Green pill shirts coming soon.
	Green pills, literal pills, placebo pills coming soon.
	Just kidding.
	Already, I'm seeing it in the chat.
	I'm sure you've gotten this before on the internet.
	I obviously get it all the time.
	People saying, is he Jewish?
	Accusing you of being Jewish.
	Tell us about your journey.
	Are you Jewish?
	And Catholicism to Buddhism.
	Hold on, let me finish the question.
	I know.
	I'm just.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	You're breaking up there a little bit.
	I don't know if you could hear me.
	Were you raised Catholic?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I kind of had a typical Irish Catholic background.
	I'm from Chicago, so Irish, like a lot of people here.
	I've even been to Ireland visiting family I have there, County Downs specifically.
	So I'm about as Gentile as you could conceivably get.
	Yeah, most Northwest European is the Irish, pretty much.
	I'm part Irish as well.
	Cool.
	Yeah, man.
	And I used, it wasn't just that I used to be Catholic.
	I actually used to be a seminarian.
	Yeah.
	I used to go to a traditionalist Catholic seminary for the Society of St. Pius X. And I used to be a CCD teacher and theology teacher.
	Yeah.
	So super Irish Catholic upbringing in Chicago.
	And over time, I became Buddhist.
	That's the long story short about over what time?
	I'm curious, like, when did you stop believing, stop going to church?
	What caused it?
	It was very gradual because I already from since I was young, knew about a lot of this Eastern stuff, not just Buddhist, but like, because I was in martial arts, involved in martial arts from a young age, taekwondo, hakido, karate.
	And I already had a pretty, you know, good familiarity with what Buddhism taught.
	I had even traveled to Japan.
	I'd been to Buddhist temples in Japan.
	So yeah, I already, it was a gradual thing.
	It wasn't just all of a sudden over, it wasn't like overnight I meditated under a tree and became Buddhist.
	No, it was a gradual thing.
	But it intensified more my whatever, the way I was leaning toward non-duality, like Eastern Buddhist type stuff.
	Yeah, by the time I'm in my 30s, yeah, I became a formal Buddhist.
	Like I took the bodhisattva vows, took refuge in the Buddha, everything that comes with being a formal Buddhist.
	Can you give us real quick?
	Because people know of Buddhism, but probably most people have no idea what that actually means.
	Can you give us elevator pitch of like what Buddhists believe, what it's about?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	So Buddhism, like other dharmic religions, what you're experiencing right now is samsara.
	It's an illusion.
	It's not real.
	And Buddhism teaches that, you know, to end suffering, you become enlightened.
	You basically awaken to true reality.
	So it's like the idea.
	Isn't it also to be to end suffering, you have to like stop wanting things?
	Stop being attached to things.
	Yeah, attachment, desire, craving.
	And there's many, many different schools of Buddhism teachings for how that works.
	I'm technically on Mahayana.
	I don't just go to one specific school.
	I try to have an open mind.
	Like, hey, whoever's got the truth has the way to do it to become enlightened.
	I've got an open mind.
	So I'll go to Zen schools.
	I'll go to Tibetan Buddhist temples.
	I don't just limit myself to just one.
	I've been to one in Chinatown and Chicago.
	So yeah, I try to, you know, just whoever's got the truth, I'll hear them out.
	I've seen you.
	I've seen you.
	You're known for referring to yourself in the third person.
	Is that a Buddhism thing?
	Or what's up with that?
	Where are you getting that from?
	Yes, I suppose F. Gardner is known for that.
	Why do I do that?
	I don't know.
	Honestly, I never really thought about it too much, but I guess it's appropriate that F. Gardner does that because Buddhism teaches non-self that there's no self.
	And so it's like, on a conventional level, yeah, I'm F. Gardner, even if this is an ultimate reality, if this is all like a Matrix Truman show type of thing.
	While I'm here, I'm F. Gardner.
	Just as you're Adam Green right now.
	And yeah, oh, that's another thing.
	That's a big, I guess, difference between Buddhism versus Hinduism is that Buddhism teaches non-self, so anatta.
	It teaches that there's no self.
	And there's different teachings on how that works exactly.
	Yeah, that would be, I guess, the quick rundown of Buddhism.
	And in Buddhism, there's, of course, the Buddha, the historical Buddha.
	That would be Siddhartha Gautama or Gautama Buddha, Shakemuna Buddha, but then there's other Buddhas like Amita Buddha.
	Do you do yoga?
	Do you do yoga and meditation?
	Yoga is normally associated more with Hinduism, but it's found in Tibetan Buddhism.
	The stuff I've done in Tibetan Buddhism is more so like visualizations.
	I'll usually do Zazen.
	That's like a Japanese and specific type of meditation.
	I'm open to any type of meditation, though.
	Like I said, just whatever works.
	Do you believe in, Do you believe in reincarnation as well?
	Give us your thoughts on reincarnation.
	Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be a Buddhist if I didn't believe in reincarnation because the whole point of Buddhism is to escape suffering, which means escaping rebirth or reincarnation.
	So that's the whole point of it.
	Is that if there's no reincarnation, if there's no rebirth, then, well, then it's over at death then.
	There would be no point in seeking enlightenment.
	But according to Buddhism, there is reincarnation, rebirth.
	And yeah, the point of life is escaping it and becoming enlightened.
	Yeah.
	So do I believe in reincarnation, rebirth?
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I didn't always.
	That was a huge factor for why I became convinced.
	Like, I would hear, like, whatever, stories of people having past life memories.
	Not, like...
	You think you've heard past lives?
	Not me personally.
	No, I don't remember my past lives.
	Why them and not you?
	Isn't that a problem?
	If it's real, why them and not you?
	Well, you can remember your past lives according to Buddhism.
	You need to enter a deep jhana state.
	So like a deep meditative state.
	A jhana state is the state where the gods exist, and the gods are always in a jhana state.
	So if a human can meditate and get to a jhana state, they get insight for it could be a wide variety of things.
	In mystical Judaism, like Kabbalah, Talmud, they also believe in flat earth and affirmament and reincarnation.
	So are you comfortable sharing all of those kosher Judeo-beliefs?
	I wouldn't be surprised if they ripped it off from Dharmic religions, honestly, considering that's technically older than Judaism.
	At least as far as I could tell, that wouldn't be a problem.
	Is that disputed, or is it like it's common knowledge that Eastern religions predate Judaism?
	Well, early Brahminism definitely is, which both Hinduism and Buddhism would have came out of.
	So this would have already been pre-existing teachings like the Samsara, the illusory, the Saha world, the super mundane world, concepts like that that would have already pre-existed.
	Do you believe in evolution and dinosaurs?
	Evolution?
	No.
	And in fact, I think it's interesting that there's a third option, like neither creationism nor evolution, which I guess would be that this is an illusion and it's not really happening, at least like on an ultimate level.
	Like there's like, I guess, yeah, beings can have change in the sense of like a metamorphosis or whatever, but I don't think there is an ultimate beginning.
	Like I've heard you say, you don't believe the Big Bang.
	Or if it was like, that wasn't when time and space first started and there was nothing before that.
	There could be many like contractions and explosions or, you know, infinite big bang, infinite what we call big bangs happening as well.
	But there could have just been one start.
	Even though I don't believe in outer space or the big bang, I can see some parallels there in the set, like there not being one ultimate beginning because Buddhism will talk about that, that things will have cycles of creation and destruction.
	Hinduism talks about that too.
	So hold on, let's get deeper into this idea of reality as an illusion.
	I had that on my notes because I heard you mention it in one of your videos while I was preparing for this.
	Yeah.
	So can't we know that reality is true if like many, many people can like acknowledge and agree on the same thing?
	Like a hundred people sit in a museum and look at a painting.
	They all agree that painting is of a woman and it's right there on that wall and it's blue.
	Isn't that enough confirmation to know that we're actually in a real 3D material world and it's not just all an illusion?
	Well, if you're a Buddhist, you don't really become convinced by anything within the material world.
	The teaching is in Buddhism.
	Everybody agreeing with you could be fake part of a simulation agreeing with you that that's right, but really you only know of them agreeing because it's coming from your consciousness and your sensory, your senses.
	Have you ever heard the term, if you meet the Buddha on your road to enlightenment, you should kill him?
	Have you ever heard that term?
	No.
	Okay.
	That term, it doesn't mean literally kill the Buddha because that would be like blasphemous within Buddhism.
	What it means is like if you're meditating and all of a sudden you have a vision of the Buddha declaring you're enlightened, it means don't just necessarily trust that.
	There's a term called Machyo, Ma that refers to Mara, the devil in Buddhism.
	So his realm, Machyo.
	There's a devil in Buddhism?
	Yeah.
	I didn't know that.
	Mara.
	What does the devil in Judy Buddhism do?
	He's the god of evil and illusion.
	He's basically controlling.
	Sounds like a Gnostic demiurge god.
	It does.
	In fact, I am pretty much convinced that the entire idea of the demiurge came from Buddhism.
	There already would have existed 500 years or whatever before.
	Plato and the Greeks got it from.
	Well, it was very different.
	The stuff Plato and the Greeks talked about.
	It differed in the sense of like the later Gnostic stuff.
	That kind of morphed over time.
	And there were ancient Greeks in India.
	Is it like a yin-yang dualism?
	Says Wonder Woman for real in the chat.
	Is that yin-yang dualism?
	Yin-yang, in what context?
	Like if there's a Satan that's what was it, deception and bad things, and then there's a good, that's the dualism like we see in yin-yang, which is that is that Hindu?
	No, that's that's Chinese, right?
	What is the Chinese religion?
	Taoism.
	Richard Carrier was a Taoist for a little bit.
	You're aware of that?
	Yeah, Buddhism and Taoism, there's a lot of overlap.
	The term Tao is even used in Buddhism, same With qi or qi and yin and yang.
	Taoism.
	They're saying it's Taoism.
	Are we getting that right?
	There's Taoism and Taoism.
	It's kind of tomato tomato.
	It's technically Tao, but it's used.
	Both are used.
	Both are fine.
	I know what you're talking about.
	Yeah, but stuff like that, Taoist cosmology and everything.
	Yeah, a lot of that's in Buddhism too.
	Like particularly Mahayana, like Zen Buddhism, they'll use the term Tao and Wu Wei.
	Wu Wei, they'll equate that with enlightenment.
	Because once Buddhism went from India to China, once Bodhidharma, the main monk associated with that, brought it there, there would have been an exchange of teachings from the existing Taoist followers, practitioners, to then the early Chinese Buddhists.
	So there's a lot of overlap.
	Oh, but you're asking about, let's see, the devil in Buddhism.
	Yeah, they don't use the term Satan, obviously.
	That's an Abrahamic term, but they'll use the term the evil one.
	Because in Buddhism, there's many gods, and the devil, Mara, is one of the gods.
	He's just the evil god.
	Oh, but yin-yang duality.
	Yeah, or at least, yeah, it's non-duality, I guess, to be more specific.
	But I get what you mean.
	Like, there's still a lot of terms like that in Eastern, in Eastern thought, it's more non-dual.
	It's more that things are coming from in the mind.
	So, like the saying I said, if you see the Buddha on your road to enlightenment, you should kill him.
	It means like don't trust anything you see just because it's telling you, oh, this is what the evidence is here, that it's that your gut feeling or intuition is more important.
	And that, like, if you meditate, you can get sudden insight about what reality really is, and that it's superior to anything you're going to find in the material world.
	It'll defy, it'll basically seem like it defies logic.
	It'll be like above logic, like, or above limited words, that, like, you might not be able to put it into like conventional terms.
	So, yeah, in that sense, Eastern religions are different in the sense that they emphasize the whole mind-only type thing more.
	You've got a lot of really interesting, you know, eclectic ideas, conspiracies and stuff.
	And then the Eastern religions, you're sort of a weird guy, like, no offense.
	I'm weird as well.
	My wife says that I'm on the spectrum to mess with me all that.
	Yeah, that's cool.
	I don't mind that.
	I wouldn't want to be a normie.
	You embrace the weird.
	That's totally cool, dude.
	Yeah.
	So have you, have you have drugs been at all a part of your journey to enlightenment?
	Hallucinogens or anything?
	I'm on the wagon.
	Buddhism is pretty hard lined against, you know.
	But at no point, that was never an interest.
	I mean, when I was younger and stuff, but what were you like in younger?
	What were you like in high school?
	I guess in the past, in my 20s, I was a bit of a party guy.
	But I guess I meddled out and least in that sense.
	Now I'm in my 30s.
	I'm an author.
	So, and a Buddhist.
	So, yeah.
	What does Buddhist say about, like, are you going to be a monk or do you want to get married and have a family?
	Are you not supposed to be attached to family and like kids and a wife?
	Am I going to be a monk or get married?
	Well, I'll see where things go.
	I'm taking it one step at a time right now.
	As of right now, I'm content with being F. Gardner, the horror novelist.
	But are you supposed to have a family and stuff?
	Well, technically, there are teachings in Buddhism that say it's not recommended.
	Like, there's one Buddhist sutra I can think of where a woman is showing off a newborn baby, and everybody's thinking about how wonderful it is.
	And the Buddha is looking at the child, and he's able to see into the child's future, the suffering, and that he's thinking, like, hmm, even though this seems like it's joy, it's like artificial, that it's still keeping you within the illusion.
	So it's not outright just against family or anything like that.
	But you will find teachings like that that will emphasize that the greater importance is escaping the illusion and everything.
	Yeah, I think that's that's I take issue with Buddhism with that.
	I think it should be encouraging people to have families and children.
	Like, of course, it's partly true that you take a risk that if you have a kid, you love them so much, they could, you know, they could die, they could get sick, they could grow up and just, you know, have a terrible life, and that you could suffer a lot because of that.
	But I think, you know, the positives and the love and the joy that you get with having a child outweighs it and is worth it and is instrumental, fundamental to our biology and any living thing, any living thing.
	Well, you're still supposed to use your joy and everything to like your own benefit and to help bring joy to other people and everything, even though this is all an illusion.
	So it's not like you throw the baby out with the bathwater and that.
	Do you think calling like the world an illusion is like kind of downplaying the significance or the importance of the one life that we know we have?
	And also reincarnation kind of does too, because it's like, oh, you know, like, well, my next life will be better.
	I don't think that because I'm not convinced this is the only life or even that this is, I guess, real.
	But I mean, if somebody's convinced that there's just one life, that the material is all there is, I mean, yeah, I guess this would be a hard sell for them.
	I'm not trying to, you know, convince them, like I said, like I said, it's very rare in life you meet somebody that you agree with on every little thing.
	You and I, we differ in this regard, but we do agree with a lot of things about the stuff about what you talk about, Christianity coming from Judaism and the reasons why, the sinister reasons why, yeah.
	So yeah, for the most part, yeah, I'm in agreement with you.
	This must be a very different interview for you right now because the last thing I saw with you was when you were interviewing Sue Peters.
	Great job, by the way.
	That was hilarious.
	That was awesome for me to see you debate him and you totally won that.
	I mean, it's hard to even really call that much of a debate.
	I had the bad echo in my ear.
	He had the bad echo.
	It wasn't working.
	I got out the main thesis and a couple points, and I don't even know if he heard him or not.
	Probably not.
	He said, you're yelling and it's reverberating in my ear.
	Maybe he just needed to turn down his audio because I don't think I was yelling.
	Well, I wanted to give you a personal shout out in that regard, real quick, because I thought you did a really great job.
	Thank you.
	Hopefully, we can have a follow-up where we can actually let each other talk and get into the details.
	Yeah, man.
	Hold on, I got another super chat I want to read real quick.
	Where did that one go?
	Dauntless Dweeb for 20 just says, Period.
	Thank you, Dauntless Dweeb.
	Always great support.
	And Alabama, also a donation with no comments.
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	We want to hear what you have to say.
	We want to hear your questions.
	Send in any super chat or rumble rants if you guys have questions for F. Gardner or his books.
	I wanted to read a couple titles, give people an idea of some of these titles.
	Sure.
	Is that your bestseller, Call of the Crocodile?
	Considering it was my first book, yes.
	Call of the Kappa.
	Who does the art on these?
	Oh, F. Gardner does.
	Like, you draw them yourself?
	Yep.
	Call of the Arcade, Call of the Cherokee, Call of the Cradle, Jagoku, Reptilian Odyssey, Hunger of the Kangaroo, Call of F. Gardner, Horror's Call, Limbo's Rainbow, Ouroboros.
	What else?
	Cabal of the Crocodile?
	Call of the Machine Elves.
	Which one do you guys want to hear him expand it?
	What is Jigokoku?
	Goku.
	That's the current hell in Japanese Buddhism.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I tried.
	Interesting topic.
	The Machine Elves.
	Can you give us a little bit of the plot of the Machine Elves?
	Sounds like a DMT, Joe Rogan, DMT, Alex Jones trip.
	Yeah.
	I guess they would love my Joe Brogan would probably like my books a lot.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, my books, they get really trippy.
	They get really dark.
	Yeah, that book in particular, yeah, called the Machine Elves.
	It has a kid and his kindergarten classroom and every day he finds himself in a time loop.
	And every day everybody dies.
	And he's trying to figure out how to get out of this shit, how to stop it from happening so he can survive and so that everybody in his classroom can survive.
	And yeah, he meets the machine elves and they're trying to help him, but there's some evil ones too.
	What does F. Gardner, why does F. Gardner not believe in dinosaurs?
	I don't recall if you're saying I don't believe in dinosaurs.
	Okay, I thought I asked you that earlier and you said no.
	I said, do you believe in evolution and dinosaurs?
	Okay.
	Why does F. Gardner.
	Okay, you do believe in dinosaurs.
	Why does F. Gardner not believe in evolution then?
	Because I don't think this has like an ultimate beginning, like if it's all in the mind and everything.
	So it's like your mind just you could just think back.
	Let's say, for example, let's say you're having a dream.
	But did our minds not evolve?
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Tell us about the dream.
	Sorry.
	Let's say you're having a dream and you're like, oh, wait, where did this dream world come from?
	You would just imagine something before that while you're in the dream.
	So I think it's like that.
	That there's no ultimate beginning because it's fake.
	Or at least, okay, it's so the story of evolution must be fake because the story of our existence in reality is fake also and not real.
	Well, fake on ultimate level.
	Didn't you say something in your video like the past doesn't exist?
	Didn't you say something like that?
	I guess if the past doesn't exist, evolution can't be real, huh?
	Do you know what the two truths doctrine is?
	No.
	So the two truths doctrine.
	It's like conventional reality versus ultimate reality.
	So like if you're having a dream and you don't know it's a dream, you think it's real.
	It's like, well, okay, while the dream's going on, it's conventionally real, but it's not ultimately real.
	So the point is that there are two truths.
	Like one is one is conventionally true and one is ultimately true or fundamentally true.
	So I guess it would be like that.
	So when I say fake, it's still, it's conventionally going on.
	It's conventionally real.
	Yeah.
	But not fundamentally.
	That would be the distinction I guess I would make as a Buddhist.
	Okay, we got a question for $10.
	Thank you, Drain the Zogbot.
	Says, hey, Adam, can you ask F. Gardner if he's familiar with St. John of the Cross and if he draws any correlation between disguised Carmelites and Buddhism?
	Adam, thank you for helping me realize the false dichotomy of Judaism for Gentiles falsehood.
	You're very welcome during the Zogbag.
	Love the name.
	Yeah, so St. John of the Cross, he would talk about the stuff you'd find in the cloud of unknowing.
	So Catholic contemplation likes the same type of stuff.
	Yeah, the Carmelites would talk about St. Teresa.
	They have a lot of that type of stuff.
	So to study that type of meditation, you need to be either a Catholic priest, monk, or nun.
	So a monastic or yeah, within a specific order, like the Carmelites.
	So a normal diasp, like, yeah, normal diocesan priests can't study that, at least traditionally.
	They need to be ordained into the right order or tradition.
	And that stuff, it's interesting he asked that because I think I know why.
	It does it gets very Eastern.
	St. John of the Cross and yeah, the Cloud of Annoying.
	So the book, The Cloud of Unknowing, it's by an unknown author, but it was probably a priest or a monk.
	And it was like later published and whatever, everything for whoever got it, or like the manuscript or the notes, whatever.
	And it talks about becoming perfect, reaching the state of perfection.
	And it sounds very similar to enlightenment.
	And it says like you realize nothingness is a fundamental aspect of what God is and you become perfect.
	Well, that sounds like Buddhist emptiness.
	Like Buddhism talks about emptiness.
	Or Hinduism will talk about neti-neti, not this, not that.
	Negation.
	Another term for that is dark theology, where you negate things in the material or yourself, things like that to get to the high, whatever, true reality, fundamental reality.
	And yeah, the stuff St. John of the Cross talks about, it begins to sound very Eastern.
	And I think that that's probably because like the whole concept of being a monk makes the most sense in the context of Eastern traditions.
	Like, because think about it, like, what would a Carmelite monk or any type of Catholic, not limited to Catholicism, any Eastern Orthodoxy, whatever, like, they would be a monastic.
	They would take vows of poverty, celibacy, stuff like that, Secluding themselves in a room, meditating.
	It basically sounds like a Buddhist monk at that point, like with everything they're doing.
	Like, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that they implemented aspects of Buddhism to create how that worked.
	That wouldn't at all shock me.
	It's so similar in those regards.
	And that the great, the ultimate goal, becoming enlightened.
	Well, according to St. John of the Cross, St. Teresa of Abila, the cloud of anointed, the goal is becoming perfect.
	That you could do that on earth and become perfect, perfection.
	Do you think that a society, like if America, America all converted to Buddhism, you think America would be better?
	Maybe.
	There's the whole alt Buddhism.
	You ever hear of that?
	No.
	Yeah, like alt Buddhism.
	It's kind of like, well, like alt-right.
	So like right-wing Buddhism, being a traditionalist Buddhist.
	Like I hear that term that exists.
	It's just so alt-right Buddhist.
	Are you the biggest alt-right Buddhist on 4chan?
	On 4chan, I guess.
	I've talked to other people in those circles.
	Are you a 4chan guy?
	Are you a Reddit guy, but a 4chan guy?
	You've been on 4chan for years?
	Oh, yeah.
	No, F. Gardner's not a Reddit guy.
	I'm a 4chan guy.
	Yeah.
	I love 4chan.
	I've been going there for forever.
	You were advertising your books on 4chan, even, right?
	I think I remember seeing that.
	Yeah, I kind of pioneered.
	You could run ads for things on 4chan.
	And when I first started publishing my books, still to this day, I'll put my ads, I'll run them on 4chan.
	So I kind of pioneered that.
	No one did that before.
	And so I built a huge following on 4chan and stuff.
	There's always discussions going on about me there, which is really flattering.
	Me too.
	Me too.
	It is flattering.
	I know.
	It's surreal to think how like.
	I've got a friend from high school that is, I don't think he watches my show ever, but he goes on 4chan sometimes and he'll see me on there and he goes, dude, you're famous.
	There's a huge threat on 4chan about you.
	Yeah, dude, I relate in this same way.
	And it's surreal when you hear stuff like that.
	Yeah.
	But it's.
	Do you believe in aliens?
	Maybe like an interdimensional type of way.
	But space is fake, right?
	So they can't be coming on spaceships.
	Yeah, I'm not convinced if there's a dome.
	I don't think there's outer space.
	How can F. Gardner really believe in a dome?
	That's what Buddhism says.
	I know, but just because an ancient book says something when they maybe didn't know any better.
	Well, believe me, I don't expect you to be sold on Buddhism or Flat Earth.
	I initially looked into Flat Earth kind of because I thought it would be, I don't know, funny, like, to look in.
	Like, before I published my books, before I became F. Gardner, like when I was just an average Joe or whatever, back in my 20s, I remember hearing about Flat Earth and thinking, what?
	Flat Earth still exists?
	Or Flat Earthers still exist?
	What are they all like?
	Just like fundamentalist Christians.
	And I found out I didn't really know the arguments.
	And I discovered Eric Dubay.
	So your two favorite guys are basically me.
	I don't know if it's me, but me and Eric Dubay, which I think is funny.
	Don't know how happy I am about that, but at least Eric Dubay knows that Jesus is a hoax and a deception.
	I remember he put together a nice documentary about how Jesus is a mythical figure.
	And it was mostly like clips from other things, but it was good.
	Yeah, you got that in common with him.
	So he's a Buddhist as well, right?
	So he inspired you to be a Buddhist, flat earther, reincarnation.
	He's not a Buddhist.
	He's basically your guru, huh?
	We're your gurus.
	Me and Eric Dubay are your gurus.
	I guess that's fair to say, but he's not specifically Buddhist.
	He has experience with what it teaches and stuff.
	Like, he, I guess, agrees with the idea of like if reincarnation, rebirth is real, you should try to escape it.
	But I don't think he necessarily says he's convinced of just one specific religion.
	He seems to lean toward the East, though.
	You know, maybe I'm a Buddhist because I'm just living the dream, man.
	Living in the dream world.
	Just living the dream.
	That didn't work right.
	Oh, you're living the dream.
	Oh, that cuts a little short.
	Sorry.
	Never had a chance to use that one so far, so I wanted to use that sound.
	Have you seen the show with the new sound effects?
	Are you liking the sound effects?
	I'm loving it.
	What's your favorite sound effect?
	Do you guys have a favorite?
	Maybe the alrighty then.
	Alrighty, then.
	That's the thing you forget about.
	I love this one.
	Forget about it.
	That's the best one.
	Yeah, man.
	Like I said, I'm a fan of your show.
	How long have you been watching?
	How long have you known to me?
	Let me think.
	And what was your journey into the conspiracy online world?
	Explain that.
	Who are the people that you follow?
	Were you ever an Alex Jones fan?
	Who have you followed through your evolution online?
	Yeah, so I've been a fan of yours for several years.
	I don't remember specifically how many.
	You've been doing this for about 10 years or something, right?
	Yep.
	Yeah, so maybe about seven?
	When I was on YouTube?
	Oh, yeah, definitely when I was on YouTube.
	Yeah.
	Chat's asking if F. Gardner is green-pilled.
	I'm absolutely green.
	Yeah, man, I'm one of the biggest advocates you have, honestly.
	And I'm always telling, I'm always sharing.
	I have no idea how many times I've shared your links to Rumble and BitChute.
	And I mean, all these Discord servers where a lot of them are theology ones because I like talking about that.
	And I'll send people some of your things saying, yeah, you should check out the rabbi clips you do and everything.
	And this is what they're saying.
	And people just get so fucking mad and seethe and they don't want to hear it.
	I've heard all what you hear, like, oh, why do you believe the rabbis?
	Like, things like, but it's not believing the rabbis.
	It's the whole, what, 80%.
	It's acknowledging that that's what the rabbis believe.
	There's a difference.
	Yeah.
	Just like I don't believe the Christians when I tell you what a Christian believes, I don't believe the Christians.
	I just, that's what the Christians believe.
	Yeah, it syncs up in the sense of like who Gamaliel was and what he wanted to do.
	And Paul, Peter, and yeah, it all checks out.
	James.
	Yep.
	So yeah, I'm totally on the same page with you in that regard.
	And listen, you asked me a few things up.
	You asked me about Alex Jones and dinosaurs before.
	I don't know about dinosaurs.
	I think maybe they were real, or maybe they're just the same thing as dragons, and that's what dragons were.
	I don't think it was 65 million years ago, though.
	So I guess it would have been.
	How old do you think the world is?
	Well, according to Buddhism, it's eternal, but there's no ultimate creation that it's eternal in the sense that it doesn't trace back to just an origin.
	There might have been cycles or cycles of creation and destruction.
	And because it's illusory, it just keeps going on for forever.
	Because if something's illusory, it like bypasses causation.
	You can't cause something that didn't exist.
	It wouldn't make sense.
	Yeah, no, I get you.
	I get you.
	I don't know if I don't agree with it necessarily, but I see how it's at least logical.
	Makes sense.
	If you don't think it's real, it doesn't have an age.
	When I say how old do you think the world is, the universe is, but I'm also saying I think it's eternal.
	I guess it's not a number.
	It's infinite, infinity.
	Yeah, in that sense, it would sync up with Buddhism, actually.
	Because it's like, even though it's different in the way we're explaining it, it syncs up in that manner.
	Like, yeah, so if something is not real, it doesn't need a cause because it's not going on.
	Well, wouldn't there be like a like even an illusionary world, a simulation world, wouldn't there be like a mind of God or somebody that's like robots that got us in a matrix or something?
	Like, what do you think the brain is?
	I don't think there's any consciousness or soul.
	It's all it's just the material brain.
	So what do you think?
	Well, Buddhism, since it teaches anada non-self, there's no soul.
	There are like ghosts technically, but ghosts are like a different class of being, like the human or an animal.
	It's just a separate being.
	Mind of God, well, Buddhism doesn't teach that it does have terms like the Buddha mind or like the primordial Buddha, the Dharmakaya.
	So it's more abstract when you get into like it doesn't just say things came from God.
	Hinduism might use, they'll use the term, even though there's the many gods, the devas, Hinduism will talk about Brahman.
	And a lot of people define that as just, oh, okay, God.
	But it's more similar to what Buddhism says.
	Like, Brahman's defined as like being without attributes.
	And that's exactly what Buddhism says about the mind and like nirvana, like particularly Tibetan Buddhism.
	Like it'll say that like highest reality is without attributes, that it's blank or empty, without attributes.
	So that's what Hinduism says too, even if they have differences with how they're defining things.
	So it's more abstract when you get into Eastern non-duality type religions.
	Right.
	Okay, so before we get into some of the news, I've got some clips and some recent stuff that we can talk about the rest of the show.
	I do want to ask you about the dome, okay?
	Because I think the dome is absurd.
	You know, I view that.
	That's my take.
	Do you believe that when we send little probes out, fire them out into space and they take photos of other planets?
	You think that's all just fake?
	Why is that implausible?
	Number one, we have rockets.
	We can shoot stuff out into space and take pictures and send them back with radio transmissions.
	I don't see anything implausible about that.
	I mean, I didn't see anything plausible about it either, at least initially, until I really went deep down, like investigating that.
	And I just haven't seen evidence.
	So it's not that I've seen evidence of the dome.
	It's that I haven't seen evidence of space and stuff.
	And that I'm not convinced.
	You can just look up at the sky and see the space, though.
	Those aren't holes in the dome.
	Those aren't lights on the dome.
	Those are stars far away in our galaxy.
	Well, outer space is in something far away, but not outer space in the way whatever NASA defines it.
	I'm not convinced.
	Okay.
	What about we've seen shooting stars?
	These are space rocks burning up with the friction as they enter our atmosphere.
	How are these space rocks, these asteroids, these meteorites breaking through the dome?
	Buddhism talks about like luminaries and stuff like that.
	So I could just be more luminaries, I guess.
	Yeah, but sometimes they don't burn up all the way and they hit the ground.
	And we can go there and see we have meteorites.
	Those are all fake to everything.
	That's a big conspiracy.
	I think these things easily disprove a dome.
	And there has to be an ad hoc excuse to say, oh, they're all just lying.
	Those are fake.
	That's CGI.
	That's not a real meteorite.
	They're luminaries.
	They're burning angels in space.
	I see you hear the flat earth people say that.
	Like, oh, look, if you take the telescope and look, it's just a light shimmering.
	Like, no, these are planets.
	We're on a ball, just like the moon's a ball.
	The sun's a sphere.
	Every planet we can see, they're all spheres.
	It's a natural shape.
	So.
	Well, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.
	I want to hear, just tell me, like, those are my questions.
	So, like, what do you think about this?
	Why do you disagree?
	Well, I will say one of the big aspects is the moon map.
	You're probably familiar with that, right?
	You must have seen.
	What, that the moon aligns with like the continents on the earth or something?
	Yeah, you need to invert it.
	I didn't believe that at first until I realized that.
	That you invert the picture and it's like you look into a mirror, like a mirrored image, essentially.
	So why is like that?
	Like, what's the argument there?
	The moon, they only had one way to design the earth with the continent, so they had to make the moon look exactly the same.
	What is it?
	Okay, you're going to think this sounds crazy this part, but I think it's basically reflection.
	I think it's reflecting what's on the earth.
	Because like Buddhism will talk about like...
	They're not continents when you zoom in.
	You can have a good set of binoculars and see the moon really clear and see that it doesn't, it's not Africa and the shape of America and everything.
	This is.
	Why does the moon map sync up so much with it's the bottom right portion that's supposed to be like our continents?
	I would need a convincing explanation for how that could be a coincidence.
	Yeah, and I've never had a convincing explanation for that.
	So, yeah.
	Until then, I'm a flat earther.
	That's not the only reason, but I would say that's one of the more convincing aspects of flat earth.
	What would it take, F. Gardner, to agree that the earth is a sphere?
	I guess footage that I knew that would like beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's authentic from space, as simple as that.
	Like, I went into this thinking it sounded like absurd, and then I became convinced.
	So, believe me, I know exactly what you're thinking, that it's crazy or whatever, flat earth.
	I get it.
	Well, it is what it is.
	That's what I think.
	And what would I need?
	I mean, probably the same thing you would need, convincing evidence.
	So, what?
	Shoot a rocket into space, turn around the camera at the earth and show that it's a sphere?
	Or if somebody does that, will you say, oh, that's CGI?
	Because that's usually what happens.
	I mean, I guess it would depend on the hypothetical footage.
	But regarding the moon map, that's another really big smoking gun.
	I would need an explanation for, wait a minute, why does this sync up with these old flat earth maps?
	But you can, again, you can get a telescope, look at the moon on a clear night, and you can see that it's not a perfect mirror image of one side of the earth that would be.
	Or if you think it's like the flat earth, it wouldn't be.
	There's no side of the earth in your model, so it wouldn't be just one side.
	Well, that assumes that the maps we know are authentic, and that's actually how the continents look for sure.
	There might be differences.
	So you're saying the moon matches up perfectly with what your flat earth model map looks like.
	Yeah, basically, well, maybe not perfectly, but like, I don't know, 85%.
	Like, it's pretty close, but that's because these old maps and everything.
	Here's a question.
	Okay, here's the final question on the flat earth thing.
	Even hypothetically, saying it's true, don't you think there's way more important issues that we can prove for sure and that trying to reach people and educate people on those issues is more important than turning them away by mixing it with flat earth.
	I think it's all connected.
	I mean, I hear people ask you, like, oh, isn't it more important to focus on the Jews and not just the Christians?
	But you do feel.
	Those are the same thing, though.
	Those are the same thing.
	Flat Earth and exposing the Judeo-conspiracy are completely different.
	I know that's what you believe, and I respect that, but I think it is connected.
	Okay, so one more question.
	Sorry.
	Who do you think is the creator?
	I mean, how can we live on a flat earth and there be a dome if it's all illusory anyway?
	That doesn't logically align with what you were telling me earlier.
	Well, if I knew the answer to that, I would be an enlightened being.
	That's the ultimate question is like, you know, if you have insight like that, then you would have no suffering.
	Like, if you know, like, what ultimate reality is, every single question like that, then the conditions for suffering would vanish.
	They wouldn't be there.
	You'd be enlightened.
	Like, that's what Buddhism teaches.
	So, yeah, the only way to answer a question like that would be for me to literally be enlightened.
	Okay, so kind of like with the question I just asked, Abraham McMatrix destroyer asks, flat Earth is the ultimate discrediting argument to make truthers look retarded.
	Do you see how that argument has some merit?
	Like, even if it's true, most people think, oh, that guy's a flat earther.
	So now if he believes in flat earth and he says also believes in Adam Green, then what Adam Green says must not be true.
	It must be some delusional conspiracy because he's also a flat earther.
	The idea of it being controlled opposition.
	I used to think that too until I realized that, okay, everything I was saying, plus, it is, it's heavily censored.
	Like one of Eric Duvet's videos is about a conference on YouTube that Google held about like drowning out flat earth content.
	So it is heavily censored.
	I get these little like Wikipedia disclaimers trying to debunk me on my YouTube page about it.
	Every time I do a YouTube video or whatever about flat Earth.
	I'm happy they do that.
	I'm happy they do that.
	I wish, I hope less people fall for these type of ideas.
	I think that they're a huge impediment to actual conspiracies that have a real world impact.
	I mean, Adam, people, your naysayers might say the same thing about the stuff you talk about.
	I've heard like say, oh, this is trying to discredit real conspiracies.
	I've heard people say that about the stuff you talk about.
	They have, I say that about people that some people that talk about Jews.
	I say that their rhetoric is doing more harm than good.
	Yeah, and I'm saying the naysayers, you're naystayers.
	They're wrong.
	They just haven't looked into it enough.
	I see flat earth stuff go crazy viral on TikTok, crazy viral online.
	The people that promote it, like Flat Earth Dave, he gets to go on all these huge podcasts and isn't and is able to do everything.
	You don't get put on hate list and get debanked and everything for promoting flat earth.
	It depends on what flat earthers you're talking about.
	Like I haven't seen Eric Dubey go on the same shows.
	Like, so it seems that there's some content that they don't want you to see.
	But I would say that it's not dissimilar, this topic, to the stuff you talk about, the Judeo-Matrix or whatever.
	Like that.
	But saying the Bible and Jesus is fake and Jewish and mythical is a very reasonable position.
	Saying the earth is flat and there's a dome is way more of an extraordinary claim.
	That's the difference between us.
	A total normie would probably think both are crazy.
	Like a total normie would say, oh, even atheists will agree that Jesus historically existed.
	They wouldn't know the position.
	Yeah, but they agree, they believe that a historical figure existed, but not that the stories about him in the Bible, they recognize the Bible as myths.
	They don't think a historical figure, the majority of scholars don't believe a historical figure walked on water and fulfilled all these hundreds of prophecies.
	They know that's mythical.
	Yeah, but a total normie is not going to know the deeper stuff about the stuff about the Sanhedrin and Gamel and the Esau relationship, Jacob and Esau relationship, or one brother serves the other and the scapegoats getting pushed off the cliff to Satan.
	They're not going to know the deep esoteric.
	That stuff is going to seem crazy to a total normie until they get it.
	I don't go that deep with the normies.
	I just go with it's fake and Jewish and they created a myth to theologically conquer the world.
	And I've talked to normies about that, and they go, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
	Yeah, that's pretty much true.
	I already thought that.
	Well, then, those are some pretty open-minded normies, and I wish all of the normies were like that.
	As long as they're not a normie Christian, a normie Christian, you know, which is like almost half people, depending on where you live.
	But all right, I don't want to, I didn't want to bring you on to get in a big debate.
	You know, I don't even really like to debate these issues.
	I just, I obviously had to address it.
	It's cool.
	No, I get it.
	Yeah, we agree on the majority of things.
	That's one specific thing we do differ on, though, I guess.
	But it's cool.
	I don't mind.
	So I got a couple clips here that I wanted to get to, and we could talk about some of the latest and we'll read any more of your super chats.
	Here's another one.
	Sorry.
	Drain the Zogbog says, can F. Gardner comment on the Aghori in Hindu culture and what the purpose of their particular practice is meant to fulfill Aghori, A-G.
	You know what that is?
	What?
	Agregor?
	Well, he spelled it A-G-H-O-R-I.
	But he might have spelled it wrong.
	I assume he's referring to the overlap they have in terms of stuff like Tulpas and everything, like in terms of the more Tantric stuff, like the overlap between Tantric Buddhism and Hinduism.
	Yeah, the idea of things being manifest relates to the idea of things manifesting into reality.
	Although it's a bit different.
	It's more like rituals, ceremonies, rather, within Buddhism and Hinduism in those regards.
	Okay, and we got one more question for F. Gardner, or more of a comment.
	Negentropy explains order.
	Negentropy.
	You know what that is?
	Is that a real thing?
	Opposite of entropy is negentropy.
	Temporary condition in which certain things are hotter and more highly organized than the surrounding space.
	This is the second law of thermodynamics.
	Yeah, what about it specifically?
	I don't know.
	Order.
	It's the opposite of entropy.
	I saw an interesting thing because, you know, I did the evolution video and I'm looking at abiogenesis videos for another stream.
	And they say that life is like the resistance to entropy.
	Because they go, how can order come out of entropy?
	Entropy, things are supposed to, you know, be chaotic and not come together and degrade.
	So it's like the resistance, the dualistic opposite of that in a way.
	It's interesting to think about.
	Oh, I forgot I had this up.
	People hadn't.
	I'm reading it and I thought it was on the screen.
	One more question about the flat earth, okay?
	Because this isn't making sense.
	You think that there's reality is an illusion.
	Do you believe there's a God in Buddhism?
	There's no God or creator in Buddhism, right?
	There are many gods, but not an ultimate.
	I guess the answer would be no in the sense that he's asking.
	There's no monotheistic God because Buddhism is polytheistic.
	There are many gods in Buddhism.
	Not singular.
	But not like, is there an origin story?
	Like, do they explain how the earth came about, how humans came about?
	What's the origin story of Buddhism?
	There are origin stories in the sense of temporary creation.
	Like, so like the Buddhism will talk about like the Brahma realm that's a class of God, a type of God, where like if when they die, they might fall to earth and become a human.
	That that's part of the heaven is part of the illusion in Buddhism.
	Heaven and hell are both part of the illusion, but they have the they have the illusion of being eternal when you're there.
	And that, okay, so there are these temporary cycles of creation and destruction, like in Hinduism.
	They differ in the way they explain that depending on the schools.
	So there are origin stories in that sense, but not an ultimate.
	It's not like God created the heavens and the earth and this is the beginning like in Genesis.
	It's not like that.
	There are like conventional creations, not an ultimate one.
	So here's another question.
	So who created the firmament and the flat earth?
	And who's keeping it a secret?
	Because it would have to be a massive, you know, international, huge conspiracy to cover this up.
	So.
	Well, I guess it wasn't created.
	It's just like you have a dream.
	Well, I agree.
	I agree.
	The world and the universe wasn't created.
	It's like who created.
	It's like who created the dream world?
	Well, you could say, I guess your mind.
	And that's sort of what the answer is.
	Our dream world is our mind firing while we're asleep, but our brain is still active.
	And our dreams are always about people we know or something we were thinking about or familiar things to our brain.
	So it's not like it's just a completely imaginary place.
	Like, I don't think our dreams are real.
	They're real in the way that they, if you experience something in a dream, your wife leaving you or something, you feel like you wake up and you go, like, oh, like, I don't want my wife to leave me, you know?
	So like that can have an effect on you, something like that.
	But I don't think it's a real place, another dimension or something.
	Yeah, Buddhism says it's not really any less real or unreal.
	It's not really that different.
	You can become enlightened in a dream, technically, according to Buddhism.
	Because like, well, that's not real either.
	But yeah, Buddhism takes it one step.
	But what I'm saying is that our dreams aren't real, but the real world is real.
	Yeah, Buddhism takes it one step further and says, I guess neither are real.
	Okay.
	It looks like chaos on the streets of Chicago.
	I'm hearing alarms and stuff.
	Oh, yeah.
	Michigan Avenue and everything.
	Yeah, some gangster shootout down on the block.
	No, I'm in the really safe, nice area, thankfully.
	But yeah, every now and then you might hear traffic like that that's part of life in Chicago.
	So do you have a theory on who like who's behind the conspiracy to cover up flat earth and why?
	Why is that so important?
	Is this like conspiracy of Satanists to keep us from knowing our creator or something?
	Like that's what I hear from Christians a lot of the time.
	Well, not Satanists in the same sense.
	Like I said, like Satan's not part of Buddhism.
	Like, but the devil is, it's just defined differently.
	The devil, Mara, is defined as like the god of evil and illusions.
	So, I mean, yeah, I guess you could argue that that's going on, but that it's ultimately a Buddha field, the Buddha's Buddha field, that it's that that's a fundamental reality that the devil doesn't have ultimate control here.
	Are you familiar with the similarities?
	I've talked about this before.
	Are you familiar with that there's like Buddhist terms in like the New Testament?
	You ever go down there, Brad Hill?
	No.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wait, wait, in the New Testament, yes, yes, I have heard that.
	I know Astarya S. has some of that in her book.
	I believe she thinks that Buddhism had some influence on Christianity, which it may have.
	I think both Library of Alexandria, Alexandrian Jews, invented the Torah, basically, the Old Testament and the New Testament.
	And they very likely could have had influence from the East in that library.
	You ever hear the connection between like Sariputra and Simon Peter?
	No.
	So Sariputra, that was the Buddha's chief disciple.
	He was nicknamed the rock by the Buddha.
	Yeah.
	This 500 years before Christianity.
	Wow.
	Not only that, but the term Baryonos.
	You said, call yourself Baryonas, son of Buddha.
	That's Sanskrit.
	Yes, so Sanskrit terms of.
	So you could find this in like the oldest Buddhist texts.
	So the Hinayana or the Teravata Pali Canon and stuff.
	You can find it in the Chinese.
	Type that in canons too.
	Yeah, it's in there.
	And it's some of the oldest.
	Yeah, oh, and the temptation of the Buddha.
	That's basically just the temptation of Christ.
	You must know about that.
	Whether it's about the Buddha getting tempted by the devil.
	He's being the devil.
	What does he tempt?
	What does he tempt Buddha with in their story?
	Kingdoms.
	Kingdom.
	He serves him and like bows down.
	It's basically the temptation of Christ.
	And this is one of the oldest Buddhist stories, 500 years at least before Christianity.
	And the Buddha rejects him, says, you know, you don't have power over me.
	I always thought that Jesus was tempted by the devil because Adam and just like Adam and Eve were tempted by the devil.
	Because he's think about this.
	They believe this.
	Paul says this in the New Testament too, by the way.
	He makes the same comparison.
	It was one man, Adam, that brought sin into the world.
	So there was one man, Jesus, that had to remove sin or atone for the sin of the world.
	Came in through one man.
	And so Jesus is like a new Adam, the primordial Adam, and then he's like the new Adam.
	Well, it's like he said, like, they just quote mined the Jewish scriptures to build the New Testament.
	So all they did was they went back and it's all madrashic, pillpool, like quote mining.
	Right.
	Yep.
	All right, let's play a clip.
	We got some great new clips here from See Through It All.
	I wanted to get to.
	We'll go another half hour, 20 minutes or so.
	Let me know if you need a bathroom break or any time, anything.
	Oh, I'm good.
	And please, let's get some more questions in here as well.
	I think I might have just missed one a second ago, but it's not reloading.
	Okay, let's play this while it loads.
	Here's see through it all's latest, Rabbi Burrell, who I saw, I noticed, has a big, he's a big popular social media Jew.
	He's got his Moshiach documentary.
	He's got a big YouTube channel.
	I think he's big on TikTok as well with highly influential Christian Zionist Locke.
	Here's what I know.
	Here's some over-the-top in-your-face Jewish propaganda that is Christianity.
	Here's what I know.
	God always makes the right decision.
	And God shows the Jewish people, right?
	He shows them.
	And in Genesis chapter 12, he says to Abraham, I'm going to bless those that bless them.
	And I'm going to curse those that curse them.
	Jewish people want to stay away from that as like as much as you could imagine.
	They will say, and even if they do say that.
	Yeah, right.
	I see rabbis and Jews saying that all the time.
	That's their go-to thing.
	Where do you think the Christians got the idea to repeat that verse over and over again?
	From the Jews.
	Maybe they downplay their chosen status when the Gentiles are noticing it.
	But that's funny, right?
	Jewish people want to stay away from that as like as much as you could imagine.
	They will say, and even if they do say that the Jewish people are the chosen people, they will say it in such a timid way.
	One of my Israeli friends said, you know what I like about you?
	You say what a lot of our Jewish people are thinking.
	They just won't say it.
	Isaiah 55 says, no weapon formed against you shall prosper.
	It doesn't matter if Iran comes against you.
	It doesn't matter if the entire world comes against you.
	And prophetically, according to the book of Zechariah, all nations will turn against Israel at some point.
	It feels like a right now, to be honest.
	See, that's what I've been saying, too.
	All the nations are turning against them according to their script right now.
	The Muslim-Christian alliance, the Gog and Magog countries.
	They think it's a good thing.
	The rise in anti-Semitism in Edom, they think it's all good and means their redemption is near.
	Yeah, most people don't realize the other Jacob and Esau relationship, how that's fundamental to what they think, how that serves them, and that they need to be persecuted because it proves that they're chosen.
	That's crazy, but that's what they believe.
	Most people don't understand that.
	And it's perfect that you brought up Jacob and Esau because Locke says that they're twin brothers.
	They're having a twin brother rivalry and something about Ishmael as well.
	So he even acknowledges that.
	So they go, oh, there's nothing they hate more.
	Their opposition.
	It's like two twin brothers of the same family fighting over who has the birthright, over who has the right prophecies.
	Such a controlled paradigm.
	It's like they like the hate.
	Like they like that this is going on.
	They need it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	As long as it's the correct type of discrediting kosher hate or distraction, delusional, you know, cope conspiracies the Christians come up with.
	All right.
	Keep going here.
	Everything I have in Christianity has Jewish fingerprints all over it.
	Okay.
	If I believe that Jesus is my Messiah, well, guess what?
	He was a Jew.
	But even in the Old Testament, every minor prophet was a Jew.
	Every major prophet was a Jew.
	Moses was a Jew.
	Abraham was a Jew.
	70 plus times, you see the phrase Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
	Not Abraham, Ishmael, and Jacob.
	And so the church in America has a choice.
	We can stand in this sibling rivalry with Isaac, or we can stand with Ishmael, but we can't stand with Isaac.
	That's interesting.
	That's like saying they can stand with the Jews or the Muslims.
	But does he acknowledge that he's viewed as Esau and the twin brother rivalry?
	I'll finish.
	Sibling rivalry with Isaac, or we can stand with Ishmael, but we can't stand with both.
	I find it so ridiculous that America has believed the lie, the poison, if you will, that Israel is the aggressor.
	So that's the ones causing all of these problems.
	And I'm like, absolutely not.
	Why would we not stand up for the people that God plainly and biblically tells us to stand up for 203 times in just the Old Testament?
	You have the phrase, the God of Israel, the God of Israel.
	Look, I love America, but the Bible never says the God of America.
	The only reason America is wonderfully blessed by God is because we are in contact and covenant and allies with Israel.
	There's only one nation on the planet, one nation on the planet that has a special covenant with God.
	And it's not America, okay?
	It's the nation of Israel.
	Regardless of who you believe the Messiah is or when you believe he's going to come, we all get to the same conclusion that when he comes back, he's not coming to the White House.
	He's coming to his own house on the Temple Mount, right?
	He's coming back To the Mount of Olives, he's going to walk across the Kidron Valley.
	He's going to open the Eastern Gate and he's going to come in and set up shop in the third temple.
	No matter what somebody believes about the Bible, that's the fact about the Messiah.
	He's coming back to Jerusalem.
	So, who in the world are we to say, well, God has cast off his people?
	God forbid it.
	He's not cast off his people.
	Paul literally says, God forbid.
	He goes, has God abandoned his people?
	God forbid.
	That's literally from the New Testament.
	That's probably why he said that.
	Use the God forbid.
	So who in the world are we to say, well, God has cast off his people?
	God forbid it.
	He's not cast off his people.
	He's not done with the Jewish nation.
	Every prophecy in the Bible being fulfilled right now has to do with the Jewish people.
	Wow.
	Pretty outrageous.
	You know what I find outrageous?
	That this is, he's one of many influential Christians like this.
	Christians are the greatest supporters and enablers of Zionism.
	But the internet Christians spend all their time attacking me, lying about me, doing posting memes about pagans, denying reality with their delusional copes, like Jesus wasn't a Jew and Christianity doesn't come from Judaism.
	Well, this is just the actual fruits of Christianity in America and around the world.
	Their greatest slaves, Shabbos Goy, Golem, defenders, and supporters and enablers.
	But the Christians online, instead of dealing with any of that, spend their time attacking us, playing defense to uphold the whole Judeo-paradigm and become apologists.
	This is why they're controlled opposition.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, people are in denial that, like, it's true that most Zionists are Christians.
	That's where their support is.
	Like, Israel's support is coming from Christianity.
	Most people don't.
	Not only do they not get it, they're in denial about that.
	You try to explain it, and then you hear the normal or the usual, oh, they're not the real Christians.
	I went to a traditionalist Catholic seminary, and you would still hear this Israel support type stuff in traditionalist circles and consolidate.
	So, like, right, the right-wing traditionalist, yeah, what percentage of churches in the world will deny that Jesus is Jewish and Christianity is a form of Judaism, like 0.000 something percent, maybe none in the whole world.
	Yeah, you even have like whatever traditionalist state of the contest.
	I don't know if you do you know that term state of the of the what state of the contism traditionalist Catholics that reject the pope, anyway.
	Yeah, so you even like the really strict conservative ones, they're still going to be supporting Israel the vast majority of the time.
	And the only time they encounter ones that don't are just like on the internet that don't really have any sort of like church that syncs up with that.
	Yeah, so it's just almost 100% of Christians are supporting Israel.
	And yeah, so it's all almost all of Israel's support is coming from Christianity.
	If Christianity didn't exist, that would be like the biggest blow to Israel ever.
	There wouldn't be in Israel, yeah, exactly.
	And the Christians just ultimately make excuses for it.
	They don't overpower this, they don't win out with their ideas, they just go, they're not real Christians.
	We're the real Christians online with no power.
	And this is, I guess, to most people, a black pill.
	The stuff we're talking about right now, yeah, people get blackpilled, they fall into states of despair once they've, if they ever realize it, that a lot of the time they become black pilled, but or whatever.
	But if you embrace whatever the truth is, you won't get blackpilled anymore.
	You know, it's enlightening, it's liberating at the end of the day.
	You want to know where the truth leads you.
	Anatomize Deception says this chat is so on point.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've got the best chat around, but of course I'm biased.
	But it's true.
	Conspiracy Truther says this question is for corn pop.
	If the earth is flat, ask F. Gardner, if the earth is flat when the sun goes down, wouldn't it be dark everywhere?
	You don't think the flat earthers have an excuse for this already, conspiracy truther?
	Yeah, I think it's the sun moving away.
	In the flat earth model, it's the sun in motion, not the earth.
	So that's just the sun moving further away.
	And yep, as simple as that.
	Sycamore Knox for five says, curved water, just like Google, Google Earth Pro.
	I'm assuming that's a flat earther saying that talking about curved water.
	The curved water.
	I don't want to get into whole back and forth with flat earthers, guys.
	This is not what my channel is about.
	I find it so irrelevant to even talk about curved water.
	The water doesn't curve.
	The earth is so big, it's basically flat everywhere.
	At any given point, gravity is pulling it down.
	So it does curve, but only on the really big scale.
	Any individual chunk, it's going to be mostly flat and pulled straight down from gravity.
	And yeah, obviously, Google Earth Pro is animations.
	It's not real photos.
	We never claimed it was.
	I'm glad the chat's not going DEF CON 3NF Gardner over his flat earth beliefs.
	No, unfortunately, there's lots of people online that believe this.
	And apparently, watch me and like my channel, even if they, even though I shit on Flat Earth all the time.
	But, okay, let's see.
	Did I have another one here?
	We just hit 50.
	Will we get to 100?
	Guys, we got clips for another 30 minutes or so.
	And then I hope everybody has a nice weekend.
	I'm going to one of my old friends' 50th birthday beach party.
	A bunch of us are going to bring our kid.
	I'm going to see a bunch of old friends and their kids.
	Looking forward to that.
	Yeah, man.
	That's awesome.
	I know.
	Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
	Hope everybody has good plans.
	So here's another one.
	Here's part two now from See Through It All.
	This Christian is over the top in your face Jewish propaganda.
	I'm of the opinion that the entire world is looking at the Jewish people right now because God's plan is about to ultimately unfold itself with the temple being built as we spoke about.
	Whether you call it the second coming or whether or whether or whether or whether we call it the Mashiach.
	Something's going on.
	All eyes are on Israel.
	All eyes are on the Jews because the world is actually waiting for Jews to stand up and to lead.
	And we are the chosen people.
	We know what God wants.
	We were given the Torah at Mount Sinai.
	We've been studying it for 3,334 years.
	We know what's going on.
	The world is clearly asking what's in the Talmud that all those things on Twitter are floating around, right?
	They want to know.
	And Jews have to stop being timid and intimidated once and for all and stand up and say, this is what it is, world.
	We're not ashamed.
	Do what you may.
	Think what you think, but this is the truth.
	I think it's going to change everything.
	The boldness of the Jewish nation is going to change everything.
	And I think the reason the world's eyes are upon Israel right now is because the Bible says that God never sleeps or slippery.
	His eye is always upon his people.
	And it says that when you touch the apple of his eye, you have poked the wrath of God.
	And I'm telling you, people hate when I say things like that, but it's the fact.
	So as a pastor, I'm very bold and very simplistic.
	either believe what the Bible teaches or you do not.
	And I happen to believe what it teaches, every bit of it.
	And the Bible is filled from cover to cover with the idea that, yes, the Jewish people are the sea coping Christians.
	He's the real Christian.
	He follows the Bible.
	He's got the real interpretation.
	Oh, you think you do?
	Okay, well, I guess we got a problem here.
	Too bad their ideas are winning out.
	They're dominating.
	They're mogging you.
	You're all suppressed and powerless and losing and don't have any churches.
	I don't want to hear another word from any Christian online about pagans, not another meme about pagans until you get this in order.
	Until you fix this, not another, not one tweet about pagans.
	You just have to shut the fuck up and take it, take the criticism.
	You deserve it all.
	And until you can fix this, you've got no ground to stand on.
	Adam, I've always wondered, what do you think in the sense of like when you talk about paganism as an alternative to Christianity?
	And now that I'm talking about Buddhism, because like I've heard, I've heard you even state that paganism was a I know that's not an accurate term because pagan, that's just a slur that Christians use for anyone that doesn't worship the Jewish God.
	So what do you think compared to Buddhism?
	Because I've heard you say paganism as it's defined now is like a reconstruction from like unreliable Christian documents.
	Yeah, it could be for sure.
	Because Buddhism never stopped existing.
	It's authentic in the sense.
	Just because it's never stopped existing doesn't mean that it's true or authentic or even the best path forward.
	I think if individuals want to adopt aspects of that because they think that it helps their life, they go for it.
	If people need a pagan god or if they want to have one of their mascots to post memes about or whatever, fine.
	I don't believe in any of those gods or real.
	They're more like archetypes of ideas or just old mythologies that had a lesson, a life lesson in them, a fable, you know.
	So the whole illusory stuff Buddhism gets into, that's not too different from some pagan stuff that I've heard of.
	Like the pre it would be like pre-Druidism.
	Like in Ireland, like it was like that everything's all one thing, the earth.
	And it begins to sound Eastern, honestly.
	Yeah, well, I'm not surprised that different people around the world are coming to some of the same conclusions about their understanding of the world.
	That's to be expected.
	But what I will say is, in resistance to the Abrahamic theological takeover of the nations and of Europe, I think the best path is to revert back to the idols, if for no other reason, just to spite the Yahwehists that want the God of the Bible and the God of Zion to conquer the world.
	And it's our own.
	It's our own history, our own legacy, our own ancestors, our own traditions.
	That's why I think the pagans would be better than everybody going Buddhism.
	I'll embrace Greco-Buddhism then.
	That's the best of all worlds.
	You know what I'm talking about, right?
	I never heard that term, no.
	Greco-Buddhism.
	Google it.
	It's interesting.
	You could find ancient Greek statues.
	They look like Greek statues, but they're of the Buddha.
	And so, yeah, Greco-Buddhism, that would have been a really early form of Buddhism, actually.
	But it's like, it's so old that it's like a lot of what they believed is like kind of lost from the sands of time.
	But it implemented like Hercules and like Greek gods as like Buddhist gods and bodhisattvas, like Buddhist deities.
	So you'd have statues of the Buddha, and then like Hercules would be like right next to him, like protecting him and stuff like that.
	Well, I mean, the pantheon, I'm against the monotheistic Jewish god.
	So people, every culture could have their own pantheon.
	If you want to say you want to mix them together, if you want, I'm okay with that.
	Who am I to stop you?
	Whatever floats your boat there.
	Music's Garillion says, thanks for the stream, Adam.
	Keep going strong.
	I will.
	Almost did, this was almost two weeks in a row where I streamed Monday through Friday.
	I missed yesterday.
	I wanted to, but it wasn't able to make it happen.
	But I did give you two streams the day before because I'd had my stream and then the Stu Peters interaction.
	Zionist Cuck says he got off the sex offender list by molesting a rabbi.
	Thank you, Jesus.
	That's funny.
	Okay.
	I was going to play my help me, Jesus, but I can't find it.
	Let's finish this clip here.
	This groveling Shabbos go.
	I'm very bold and very simple.
	It's to either believe what the Bible teaches or you do not.
	And I happen to believe what it teaches, every bit of it.
	And the Bible is filled from cover to cover with the idea that, yes, the Jewish people are the very chosen people of God.
	And if that's controversial, that's okay.
	God's controversial.
	He's not.
	He can do it.
	And every Christian, whether you're a Protestant Zionist or a Schofield evangelical or not, believes that the Jews were once chosen.
	And that's the problem.
	Yeah, I'm glad I'm Buddhist and there's no like Israel worship or anything.
	Yeah, Thorin Odin never told me the Jews were chosen by God and that their homeland is the Holy Land and that we're going to bow down to them one day and their Messiah one day, their king.
	And I say that like, again, like I'm not like a mean-spirited guy.
	I'm not saying you are or anything.
	Maybe I am.
	Maybe I am a little bit.
	No, but you just tell it like it is, like you're dishonest.
	And I'm being honest too.
	It's just, but yeah, I am relieved that I don't have to reconcile like Jewish stuff and scriptures anymore now that I'm Buddhist.
	It doesn't have like talk of like God of the Jews, God of Israel.
	You don't have terminology like that.
	You don't have talk.
	You don't even have talk of India being the holy land.
	Like it doesn't have any, it might take place in ancient India.
	Like, you know, if you're reading old Buddhist scriptures, but it's not like deifying like what the Bible does with Israel.
	Yeah.
	So Christians are like, or online Christians really pretend like the only way to defeat the Jewish magic and Satan's children is to believe in the Jewish magic.
	You got to believe that they were chosen.
	You got to believe in their prophecies.
	The only way to oppose the Jews is to worship their rejected king of the Jews.
	It's the most insane position ever.
	Yeah, it's because that...
	Go ahead.
	It's just amazing how powerful religion is in the sense that it took me over 30 years in my life until I finally became Buddhist and didn't accept Christianity anymore.
	Like it took me over 30 years.
	So I'm just saying like the mind will that's part of why I think how powerful like the mind is that everything is like in the mind coming from the mind, illusory.
	Like, because I've seen how powerful the mind is.
	The human mind can convince itself anything.
	Like, it could rationalize anything.
	So, why couldn't it just imagine a material physical world?
	Yeah, so yeah, Arian Monsterlog says all Christians online are in line with supporting the Jewish lies, the Jewish foundation, the Jewish prophecies.
	Every Christian pretends like they're online, pretends like they're like the real opposition to the Jews.
	But what are they really arguing for?
	That the Jews were chosen.
	No, Goyam, they were chosen.
	Their prophecies are real.
	You just got to worship their Messiah and then you'll win.
	All right.
	That's what makes him God.
	And he doesn't need my vote of confidence.
	He doesn't have to ask him.
	He's not running for God.
	He's not running for God.
	He's not running his vote out.
	They're not going to impeach him.
	And he's not going to die.
	So the Jewish nation just needs to get both.
	So people can say what they want to.
	But at the end of the day, they can call me a sellout.
	They can call me anything they want to.
	I will live.
	I will fight.
	And I will die for the Jewish people.
	Because it's what I'm told to do.
	It's my Christian duty.
	Because everything I have from God, even in my New Testament belief of Jesus, everything I have from God has Jewish fingerprints all over it.
	And to disrespect that is to disrespect God's nature himself.
	Well, if Candace Owens is listening, what is one message that you would give to her?
	Candace needs to repent of this nonsense publicly and say, look, I kind of crawled in with some of the wrong people and I've been influenced in the wrong way.
	She doesn't need to do that, or she needs this opportunity to be a conservative.
	Because real conservatives do what conservatives do, and that's they obey what the Bible says and they stand with the nation of Israel.
	Real conservatives obey the Bible and serve the Jews.
	Again, until you fix this, Christians, not another word about pagans, not another word of your copes.
	Most conservatives, yeah, are basically just slaves to Israel.
	I hate to say it, but that's the truth.
	They just will do anything Israel says.
	It's like the whole Republican Party is basically just the Israel party now.
	Totally.
	And they're pretending like the rabbis and Israel, their greatest allies, and they're guarding the West.
	They're going to save the West.
	Meanwhile, they say America is going to be removed from the equation in the end.
	Here's another new clip from Seethu at all.
	When the lights go out, we are in the heels.
	There's nowhere left to go.
	Just as the children of Israel were facing certain death as the walls closed in and they were stuck purposefully between the raging sea and the might of the bloodthirsty Egyptian army.
	Who did Israel have to lean on?
	Well, nope.
	Okay.
	And so you will see that just as God dismantled the system of the world at that time, which was Egypt, so too he is doing to this current system.
	But you need to willingly.
	That's the American Empire Edom system is what they're referring to.
	We're the new Egypt, which is interesting that they got all of these obelisks all over the Vatican and Washington and stuff connecting us to the Egypt, who was the biblical archenemy of the Jews.
	How do they not realize how over-the-top comical sinister they seem much of the time when they're talking about this stuff?
	Like the way I mean, the long beard, like the cloak, like it looks like sinister a lot much of the time, like when they're talking about the end times prophecies and everything, like the whole idea of a cabal, like Kabbalah and everything.
	Like it's basically, yeah, it's based on like a Sanhedrin, like rabbinical, yeah, rabbis like conspiring in secrecy.
	Yeah, it's just so...
	It must give you a lot of material for the rabbis in your books.
	Is it weird for you to get in?
	Because when you write your dialogues in your book, do you put your mind...
	Do you channel into the rabbi and pretend what it's like to be a rabbi when you're speaking from the rabbi's dialogue?
	Well, I will read things out loud, just because that's good to find if something sounds natural or not.
	But am I actually peering into their minds?
	No, I would say I'm trying my best to control events.
	I had events play out exactly as they happen in my books, right down to Cabal the Crocodile, when right at the end of it, the police and the news crews show up, the fiasco at the synagogues, and it's getting all over the news.
	So, yeah, I try to do that in specific detail.
	So, like, with the thought magic, law of attraction, chaos magic, even meme magic, that's another term people use, especially nowadays.
	They're all basically describing the same thing, even if there are something different.
	Yeah, Christianity and Judaism is basically a meme.
	Meme magic, the Messiah meme, the prophecy memes.
	Yeah, but what they're doing, it's more like predictive programming.
	It's different.
	Like where you said, like, how they're just quote mining, like, the old scriptures with the new ones, and then they're just orchestrating things in real life to give the illusion that prophecies are being fulfilled.
	That's different from what I'm talking about.
	This is where I actually went into with the law of attraction and everything, trying to expose the synagogue tunnels and everything, and trying to make it sync up as accurately as I could for real.
	You mentioned predictive programming.
	This guy just said this.
	I thought it was good.
	One man's predictive programmer is another's prophet.
	That's funny.
	But that really is the magic spell, the power of prophecy.
	The Jesus deception is just a prophecy deception.
	The chosen people idea is from these prophets in the original Plato's noble lie, Khan, basically.
	Oh, which reminds me, did you see I shared a thread?
	A guy did a whole thread basically copying what Gnostic informants have been covering on his videos and debates about how the Torah was fabricated and constructed and compiled and repackaged.
	Only 275 time frame B.C. in Alexandria, Greece, by Jews.
	So that recent.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's so much fabrication in foundational mythology.
	All right.
	I'm going to play this, the rest of this here.
	Leave Egypt.
	That's what everything is about.
	You still have to make a choice.
	Otherwise, you have no future.
	Otherwise, like the 80% of our people, you will be snuffed out when the lights go out.
	Remember, we are Israel.
	We believe in God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
	No problem.
	But we don't want to leave Egypt, meaning we don't want to leave the world system.
	But that world, just like this world, is going to completely pass away.
	You need to understand this.
	Everything has to collapse.
	When I say everything, I mean everything.
	One by...
	Everything has to collapse.
	Why...
	Do people not see how much of a threat this mindset is to the world?
	This is a plague on the world.
	Everything has to collapse.
	I've got in my folders on my hard drives, several clips of rabbis expressing this this idea that oh the whole world needs to be destroyed before moshiach comes and we rebuild it and with our messianic age and all the noahides and esau and ishmael and the gug and megug they destroy each other.
	They all say this.
	They want to destroy the world and rebuild it where they're in charge according to their prophecies.
	Yeah, that's something all the Abrahamic religions have in common, the fulfilling Jewish prophecies.
	That's what, at least what they think.
	And yeah, you don't have this type of stuff.
	And like, like I said, I'm Buddhist.
	You don't have like, oh, we, we need to.
	Is there any prophecies in Buddhism?
	Well, yeah, there's like Maitreya and stuff like that, the age of Dharma decline and the age of true Dharma.
	But you don't have like these ideas of like, oh, these people are wrong.
	They need to be executed or like the crucifix.
	But it does it does talk about prophecies of like apocalyptic type of events.
	It talks about the age of Dharma decline, which is like the world getting worse and the Buddha's teachings slipping away from the world and waiting for a new Buddha to be born, Maitreya, to bring it back.
	And there's different thoughts on how that works.
	But yeah, that would be the quick summary of that.
	But yeah, in Buddhism, you don't have like this idea, like, oh, this is the wrong religion.
	They need to be wiped out.
	Like, they got along in like ancient India and whatever, China, Japan, Korea.
	For the most part, they were getting along with these different religions like way back then.
	Like the Dharmic religions, like ancient India.
	Like, they weren't going to war over minor disagreements.
	Like, Buddhism rejects the authority of the Vedas.
	That's a huge difference.
	There were not wars over that.
	Yet, Christianity, and like you had, like, people flipping out and bloodshed over like disagreements on how the Holy Ghost works.
	Like, is it from the Father, from the Son?
	Like, how does that work?
	That's so minor.
	How would you even know?
	There is like bloodshed about something minor like that that seems arbitrary.
	Yet, Buddhism and Hinduism, they got along, even though Buddhism rejected the authority of the Vedas, something major.
	Yeah, so I don't understand.
	How hard is it just to be civil with one another?
	Well, when you think you have God on your side and you're fighting for the authority of God, fighting for who gets to speak for God, there's a lot of power involved in that.
	Trying to use God as your authority gives you authority.
	Sure, but you didn't have people doing that, saying, oh, I have Amitabha Buddha on my side here.
	I'm going to go to war because I don't like whatever, the other deity or someone or Hindu, whatever.
	Same thing with Saint-Well, even the Greeks, like Alexander the Great, didn't he say that he was like the son of a god and went and like talked to a god or the oracle said that he was something of a god like it's it's that the priest class has always used religion to control people i don't think that's exclusive to judaism although it's very pervasive in the judaism religions yeah the buddha kind of talked about that the brahmin class all right let's finish this one
	up and we got one more before we wrap it up uh right under two hours here you need to understand this everything has to collapse when i say everything i mean everything one by one god is removing the options to which we can turn for salvation starting with america when the false god the great savior of israel murka brought home warships to our shore for no good reason nothing do you know how quickly the rhetoric turned from god will save us and with god's help we will win together to
	yay america's seventh fleet is going to protect the protect us save us deliver us no more eyes there eyes are now there thank you biden completely
	ungrateful for us defending them for this war that they're gonna get us into and go oh oh we're gonna we want them to turn their backs on us so we can play victim and say our prophecy is fulfilled you're here so we'll just say oh well god's still protecting us we're not we're not appreciative at all of of america defending us wow
	incredible see-through it all who's running what now okay and what happened within that same week here in israel the protests started up again and so did the division it's a formula no longer were we one people and so since we look to america to save us that only means that they will be removed from the equation as well every new reality means a total loss of the reality that came before it referring to the coming of mashiach and the new world order that comes
	with it okay in other words for what is coming what is has to be unrecognizable nothing can remain no none of the world systems can remain nothing will remain because it's rotten to the core sounds like what the q anon people want like nasara jasara and all the darkness destroyed and the great reset oh that's the other people saying the great reset i forgot to play this clip too the pastor greg lock this is what we're dealing with with this guy what they ought to do is evacuate up there on the
	hill and get a great big missile and blow that wicked dome of the rock plum off of the spot where it's standing right now so we can get that third temple repeal and usher in the coming of jesus this rabbi says he wants to destroy the world look at this one where everything must collapse hold anything you need to destroy which currently exists you know it's laid down the foundations says the moral before
	mashiach comes and a new world order is instituted we need to destroy what existed previously he don't have a mashiach so too when a child is born you need to a woman has to have heavily later when the mashiach will come there'll be a new one when the mashiach will come there'll be a new world order what we're suggesting here is maybe this should go into the
	mindset of hineni this is how it all begins when he turns up and pisam yovay al hei khalay he'll suddenly turn up there'll be a new world order a
	new way of looking at life so who wants to destroy the world and usher in a zionist new world order that's just a conspiracy gardner my apologies of course just a conspiracy yeah most people it's it's too i don't know to most people they think it's too bleak or depressing the idea that the jews really do control the world or are up to sinister things but it's just the reality that yeah that yeah that
	historically speaking that because they're in all these positions of power and everything banking governments media school systems you name it and yeah they all believe these end times prophets or at least the majority of the time like you have like these orthodox end times prophets
	times prophecies rabbis advising that and yahoo and you know on the highest level of things yeah the jq the jewish question type of stuff it it's just simply the reality.
	And if somebody finds that upsetting, too bad, I guess it's just the reality.
	Like, they, yeah, so it's either exciting.
	They get upset when we play rabbi clips.
	A wide array of rabbi clips.
	Hey, let's wrap it up.
	We're over time.
	I appreciate you for coming on.
	Why don't you tell everybody your links where they can find you if they're interested in your books or want to follow more from you?
	Yeah, again.
	So, yeah, F. Gardner.
	I'm the author of the Horrors Call series of books.
	All my books are on Amazon.
	I've got them all in paperback, e-book, audiobooks, 16 books in there.
	And the book we've been talking about specifically that deals with, yeah, the conspiracy theory about synagogue tunnels and then that Jesus was made by the Jews, that Christianity was made by the Jews as a trick, a no-hide law compliant, like religion for Gentiles and stuff.
	That's Kabbalah of the crocodile, this book.
	And again, this is before the synagogue tunnels stuff on the news that I had published this book.
	Yeah, pre-day stats.
	So get it while you can.
	Don't know how long it's going to be on Amazon because of all the censorship it's been facing all over the place, but it's still on Amazon as of now.
	And yeah, so they're all there.
	I've also got a YouTube channel.
	Just type me in and type in F. Gardner or Horrors Call on YouTube and I'll pop up there.
	I've got a Rumble channel too.
	I started doing that recently for the videos that are not kosher, as you put it, Adam.
	The videos that wouldn't be kosher for YouTube.
	It's called F. Gardner Uncensored.
	So yeah, that's my Rumble channel.
	I've been doing that recently and hopefully going to have more videos soon and a new book out soon that'll involve a couple different conspiracy theories that are also considered very taboo type subjects.
	And oh, congratulations, Adam.
	I think you hold the record for the longest interview ever with F. Gardner now.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Yeah, the past year I've been on.
	Yeah, a lot of people, you know, like you could go the full five rounds.
	Sam Tripoli show I was on, Chris Raindow Rankcast, and Ethan Rolfe.
	Big Tech.
	You went on the infamous big tech show, yes.
	So shout out to all those guys and shout out to you, Adam.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Maybe we'll have to have you on for one of these panels we're supposed to start doing soon.
	That'd be fun.
	Have you on with a few other few other guys?
	All right.
	Appreciate you for coming on, F. Gardner.
	Thank you.
	That was an interesting talk.
	Thank you, everybody, for the support, the donos, the comments.
	I can't wait to see what you all have to say in the comments once this is posted.
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