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	Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to No More News.
	I am your host, Adam Green.
	It is Thursday, July 27th, 2023.
	And joining me today for a great show, I have returned guest.
	He is a rising star on YouTube and Twitter, specializing in philosophy and psychology.
	He has wisdom beyond his years.
	I've really been enjoying listening to his videos and getting his insights and his commentary into these issues.
	He has graced us with his presence once before, and he's back today.
	We're going to be discussing the psychology of Christianity and religion in general.
	He is Mr. The one and only Uber Boyo.
	What's up, Steph?
	How are you doing?
	Good, my man.
	Thank you very much for the intro.
	Jeez, I'm getting buttered up in the intro there.
	So fantastic.
	Thank you very much, sir.
	And it's a pleasure to be here again.
	Of course, I'm sure everybody here knows, but Adam does great work.
	He actually gets a lot of variety of very good guests.
	So it's always interesting to listen in.
	And it's great to have a chat with him.
	Thank you.
	I'm glad to have you back.
	You were on a few months ago to discuss your top viral video.
	Let's see.
	I can't find it here.
	What was that one called?
	The exact title about Rome.
	Where is it?
	Rome's rogue movement.
	What if Christianity is the work movement in Rome?
	Yeah.
	So if anybody wants to check that out, I'll put that in the link below our last talk.
	But today we're kind of going to be talking about his video I watched, The Return to Religion, Christian Futurism.
	The past is over, another one that I've been listening to recently.
	The Irish storyteller with wisdom beyond his ears.
	I want to hear some of this, some of these insights you've been covering in these videos on the psychology of firstly Christianity, but then also Judaism and just like paganism, religion in general.
	What are your thoughts on this stuff?
	Oh, man, I have expansive thoughts on this stuff because I think last time when we were on, I was talking to you about Nietzsche's perspective, I guess you could say on Christianity, because you're very interesting because completely on your own terms, you've done an awful lot of research and you've begun to see that Christianity, there's this very interesting dichotomy that gets set up that people complain about the power structure in the West and then they see Christianity as the sort of humble down-to-earth response against this.
	And perhaps in some sense, that might be true, but there also is definitely a dark side of this where Christianity in many ways supports the power system.
	And you very authentically going through like Alex Jones and just doing your research, being diligent like a good internet resident millennial like most of us are, have kind of come to the conclusion that Anophilotus is very suspicious.
	You're very, very suspicious of it overall.
	And you've started to vocalize this.
	And it's fascinating hearing you talk about that.
	And then I come from a completely different perspective, much more academic.
	And therefore, like maybe more abstract and missing out on key details that bring me up with the current age.
	But reading people like Nietzsche and people like Carl Jung.
	And so they would talk about the problems of religion and various things like this.
	And as we were speaking about extensively in our last talk, I was always suggesting a big idea that comes from Nietzsche, which is a fascinating thing to entertain, is the idea of religion being almost like what we call a Weltanshan, a worldview, a way of looking at reality.
	And Nietzsche points out that Christianity and Judaism share a worldview.
	They share a sort of perspective, a lens on reality.
	And you could call it, maybe some people call it maybe the Judeo-Christian worldview or the Abrahamic worldview.
	I've heard some people in your comments call it the Abrahamic matrix and stuff like this.
	And there are other ways of looking at the world.
	You could think of Buddhism.
	You could think of, I think it is just Shinto in Japan.
	You could obviously think of European paganism.
	These are all different, I guess you could say, world perspectives.
	And it's a fascinating thing to sit down and ask yourself, like follow that idea to its conclusions.
	Like what happens?
	What would it mean to actually look at the world from head to toe, from sky, from heaven, all the way down to the earth?
	Not in this idea of, you know, we're still looking at it through the lens of Christianity and the Abrahamic religions, but instead completely stepping outside of that and trying to see things with new eyes.
	And when you start to do that, you start to criticize religion in all these different ways and see these things from new perspectives.
	So I think it's a fascinating, fascinating exploration.
	So let's start with Christianity specifically.
	Like, what do you think is the key elements of the psychology from Christianity?
	Oh, wow.
	There's a lot of angles on this.
	So I guess we'll try to break it down one by one.
	But with your permission, of course, I'd like to give steelmans to Christianity and Judaism as well.
	Of course.
	I've never strawmanned a thing in my life.
	Why we want to look at the we want to look at these things and kind of give them their due because again, I'll come from Nietzsche's perspective quite a lot.
	Nietzsche, like Christianity presents itself as this thing that came and changed the world.
	We were all here on earth and earth was fallen.
	And we were hold on a second.
	You're cutting out a bit.
	How we can build forever.
	Am I back?
	Okay, go ahead.
	Yeah, I think you're back now.
	Repeat that last sentence.
	Sorry.
	Awesome.
	So the general thesis is that Judaism and Christianity, but we'll say Judaism first, presents itself as something that came down and redeemed and fixed the world.
	It's actually a very profound statement that the world is broken, the world has fallen.
	And the Jews, through Yahweh, have received this gift that allows them to fix the world.
	And this gift is essentially the way that they reorganize morality and our way of understanding ourselves.
	And of course, Christianity comes as the conclusion, the fulfillment of that promise of how we're going to fix the world.
	Christianity is the answer, the sort of solution.
	Judaism is this long, sort of pregnant struggle trying to figure out how do we make the world a better place.
	And Christianity presents itself as the blossom of that struggle.
	It's very, very fascinating, that relationship, but they are fundamentally tied.
	And so through Christianity, we have this statement that the world is now corrected.
	True Christ, year zero has happened.
	And we now have a new world.
	And this world is now moral.
	We've now been shown God.
	God has come down and revealed to us how our psychology is supposed to work.
	And we can no longer be immoral after this unless we deny Christ himself.
	Very, very interesting idea.
	But of course, the predicate, the premise, the thing that they are talking about here is changing the world.
	So in what way was the world broken?
	Why does the world need to be changed?
	And this is a very interesting thing to dive down into.
	This is where you get into the old European pagan religions, the previous way of seeing the world.
	This is something that Christianity, especially, we'll say reactionary right-wing Christians often suggest is that we need Christianity because Christianity built the West.
	Because without Christianity, we become uncivilized.
	We can't create moral orders without Christianity.
	But actually on very, very common sense inspection, you discover that that's not true at all.
	Because if you look at ancient Rome, they had morality.
	The word morality actually comes from ancient Rome.
	They have Virtue.
	The word virtue comes from ancient Rome.
	They had architecture.
	They had engineering and science.
	They had arts.
	They had high culture.
	They had all this stuff before Christianity in their pagan worldview.
	And so you have a very big question to ask yourself.
	It's like, well, what was that pagan worldview?
	And does it have any merit?
	Does it have any value?
	And why did it need to be fixed?
	What was going on there?
	So, and that leads us into this question of what was Christianity trying to fix?
	Why was there this psychological revolution that happened?
	So, if you have any thoughts on that, or maybe continue, keep going, keep going with the train of thought.
	So, I think the very common thing that you hear people talk about is Christ, the Romans were sort of savages.
	It's very interesting listening to, like, I was listening to Dennis Prager and Jordan Peterson to have that Exodus thing.
	And they are talking about the Egyptians.
	They're talking about Exodus and they're talking about the Egyptians.
	And it's just so funny, again, from their perspective because the Exodus is presented from the perspective of the enslaved Jews.
	And they're talking about the Pharaohs, and they're discussing how the Pharaohs are sort of like unconscious of how evil they are.
	They're unconscious of the fact that they're these demonic slavers and stuff like this.
	And you can see how these Jews, these people who were enslaved in Egypt, are looking at these pharaohs from their perspective and judging them and creating a sort of casting a judgment upon these people and deciding that these people are bad and immoral because, of course, they've enslaved these Jews.
	Now, what's interesting is that that's a one-sided story.
	You're seeing Exodus out the eyes of the Jews.
	But there was obviously a way of looking at the world that the pharaohs had that allowed them to maybe build the pyramids.
	It depends on who we want to talk to about that, but you know, build Egypt and run a big empire and run a big civilization.
	And what you immediately see here is that there were two perspectives in that world.
	And that's a very important idea because a lot of people can't think this way.
	It just requires like quite high-level thoughts to be able to take your mind into another perspective.
	So when you look at Exodus, you're actually getting a story from the perspective of the Jews instead of realizing that there was also the perspective the Pharaohs had.
	Now, take this with Rome as well.
	We have in ancient Rome this way of looking at the world, their Roman perspective, which we understand now is like Hellenism or paganism that was very fertile and successful.
	But what we get presented with in the Bible is a different perspective on the story.
	So I guess the way the Romans must have saw themselves is that, you know, this Mars powerful, it's almost like Oda, Odan, or something like this, you know, the big, strong Martian Romans go out and they beat the fuck out of anybody.
	And anybody who is weak gets crushed underneath the foot.
	And the Romans have this natural fertile explosion of order coming out of their souls.
	And they have this military right to enact that order upon the world because the world is dark and ignorant and full of lower people who don't want to advance civilization.
	And they want to get caught up in petty nonsense and stick their noses in the ground.
	And the conquering Roman was the one who actually masters all of them and gives them a purpose and orders them and actually creates civilization.
	This is sort of what was happening with the Roman Empire.
	They were creating order.
	It was like the British doing the same thing across the world.
	Now they see themselves this way.
	And the Roman religion gives them a good conscience about this.
	It's good for you to go out there and conquer the world and take over everybody and do all this type of stuff.
	Now, the problem with this is that the people, the Judeans, the Gaels, like the Irish and the French and the Britons and the Germans, and pretty much everybody around Rome, their experience of this Roman right to conquer and order the world is terrible.
	The Gauls got all murdered.
	The Germans were constantly at risk of slavery.
	The Jews got destroyed.
	And so their experience of this Roman right to rule is like these arrogant Italians coming down and trying to beat the crap out of them while they're all dressed up in red.
	And what's fascinating is that when you look at Christianity at its root, it is entirely premised on creating a story, specifically a religion, but it's creating a story that looks out of the eyes of a victim of the Roman Empire.
	It's entirely the perspective of a victim.
	This is so interesting because this, it's almost like the Romans lived underneath this story about Roman prowess and Roman power.
	And this is what they all thought about.
	And all of a sudden, this story comes up of one of their slaves, this guy crucified in the cross, which was their way of executing people.
	And this all of a sudden becomes the central story to all of existence.
	All the other stories get washed out of the way, and this story gets shoved in front of them.
	And now, all of a sudden, these Romans are bowing down to a crucified Jewish slave that they have murdered in their way.
	And this is just mind-blowing because what does this do to their psyche?
	It forces them to confront a different perspective on their world.
	It forces them to see the perspective of the victim.
	Now, if to give you an analogy of this, it's like you had a lion and he was living out in the savannah and he was murdering all these gazelles and eating them.
	And this is just a natural way of doing things.
	And he had no bad feelings about this at all because this is the way the world works and this is how he's become strong.
	And all of a sudden, you could, you know, put a VR headset on him and make him see the world from the eyes of the gazelle.
	And the lion sees this, and all of a sudden, he has this mental crisis and he starts to think that he's some evil demon.
	And he decides he's going to become like some vegan and sit down and meditate and never hunt gazelles again.
	And all of a sudden, the lion would die because he stops eating.
	He stops participating in the world.
	And so you see something like that happen with Rome, where the Romans are forced to confront the perspective of the victim.
	And it has this profound psychological effect on them.
	It induces guilt for the first time in their history in some sense.
	And this profoundly changes them.
	In the West, the entire empire actually collapses.
	And in the East, the entire empire is reforged into the Christian Byzantine Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire.
	So that's, I think, a really interesting predicate.
	Now, I've said a lot there.
	If you have any thoughts, please tell me.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	You talked about how, and you cover this in your video, how like time changed at year zero, or when Jesus said it is finished, and it was like the spiritual victory over Rome.
	You're right that it's not just Christians that kind of see themselves as the anti-Rome, but that was initially the Jews.
	That's still the Jewish identity.
	Is they believe that they're celebrating today Tisha Ba'av, the Roman destruction.
	I shouldn't say celebrating, mourning the Roman destruction of their temple.
	And they still feel like even that they're in exile, Galut Adom in the exile of Edom, which represents just the like the archetype of the Gentile kingdom, Gentile empire that persecutes them.
	And that is their identity to be suffering and martyred under them.
	And Christianity adopted a lot of that.
	And Jesus represents a lot of that.
	The way that Jesus is being portrayed today by top like biblical scholars is that he was a Jewish rabbi with a small following that opposed the Romans, was a threat to the Romans, and was killed by the Romans.
	And they say that's what we know about the historical Jesus.
	So they're like re-Judaizing Jesus to what he always was.
	And it is the spiritual victory over Rome, getting all of the Romans in the Gentiles to worship the king of the Jews, who is like a suffering loser, as you described him in one of your videos.
	The suffering loser right here.
	And it was like a, I, you know, I consider Christianity like you got you mentioned, Ben Shapiro's Jordan Peterson.
	You mentioned Jordan Peterson.
	Dennis Prager, yeah they like to like try to like psychologize the torah and the jewish stories to make them more like palatable for people today that have you know more intellectual minds that that can't believe these things literally but you know forever they've been they've mostly believed them literally and i think it's missing the mark on how it was like the whole objective of yahweh the god of israel was like theological conquest of the world having his nation of priests
	convince persuade all of the gentile world to abandon their idol worship their gods their culture traditions and replace it with worshiping the king of the jews which was what they always intended so like that's the big aspect of the judeo-christian abrahamic matrix that like ben shapiro and jordan peterson will never talk about they try to like say oh this there's actually lots of wisdom hidden in here and this we can really apply this to our modern day lives like that's the role i think
	jordan peterson is doing for ben shapiro these are very interesting observations and now i i personally think that they're not doing this uh deceitfully i don't think they're sitting around and saying well bullshit these people i think they're quite um very unconscious now that doesn't mean that they don't have intention this is a fascinating thing about about all these stories is that their perspective is their perspective and it's inherently wrapped up with their will and their intention and
	their desire to maybe to give you a better analogy of this is to just think about stories to think about hollywood so when you sit down and you watch something like lord of the rings you are receiving a perspective on middle earth which is based on the hopes and dreams of the hobbits of the men of the elves they're the good guys you know and sauron is painted as the bad guy and this is very very natural now in reality this is probably like if you you know there's always two sides to the story one man's freedom
	fighter is another man's terrorist type thing maybe sauron had his good his good things that he was trying to do maybe he was trying to stop the men getting too powerful and oppressing all his orcs or something like this and there might be a way that you could flip that story and see the world from sauron's perspective and realize that he had his sincere intentions and perhaps inside his head he is uh he his perspective on things he is a good guy he is doing something that's noble or something like this and this is a very fascinating way to think because people are very bad at this this involves you it's actually real empathy not this kind of you know
	hufflepuff empathy where you're you're being all soft but actually being able to see somebody else's perspective in an entire place and what you start to realize is that perspectives are narrative based perspectives are stories we tell ourselves about the world and perspectives are ways that we frame ourselves as heroes versus other people so the perspective that the jews took on rome is that they're the heroes because of course that's normal it's not that they're a lot of people get wound up and say these terrible jews no no that's normal
	for for the jews to say we're the good guys that's completely healthy and normal but it's very silly to assume that then the jews come along and say here's this universal truth this story this perspective that we have is the actual nature of reality it's like wait a second no that's just your jewish perspective on the experience of the roman empire and the roman empire had their own story in their own perspective they actually saw the jews as these sort of like bickering petty people who just wouldn't you know wouldn't embrace civilization and come along with the whole hellenic experience and
	all these types of things and so morality is predicated on perspectives and perspectives are predicated upon people they're predicated on the people who are telling them and so what you see in um dennis prager and jordan peterson all them maybe this is why jordan peterson's a great example of like somebody who's very naive they they all sit around and they try to they tell the jewish perspective of ancient history and they try to pull out universal truths and there are some in there there are some universal truths about discipline and
	about you know getting your life in order and being obedient and aiming for the win like the jews are very successful people but at the same time there's there's this thing that nietzsche pointed out that just people are so bad at seeing is that the entire frame of the story is built in the perspective of the jews and there are other ways of looking at the story of ancient history this is what nietzsche meant by the slave morality versus master morality there's actually ways you can flip this story on its head and someone like jordan peterson makes this um egregious mistake and it's very easy one to make we we do it all
	the time but he's incapable of getting that distance from this and actually seeing it as this perspective this world perspective that the jews are presenting and he's incapable of criticizing it he assumes many of the things that the jews push inside of it such as the the jewish world perspective being the absolute truth this is a very unique spiritual claim that the jews make that yahweh is the absolute truth and his world perspective is the actual revelation and all of the revelations are wrong and you must believe it or else you're not in touch with reality and of course there's a famous quote from
	nietzsche where he says like nothing you see in you know the judeo-christian paradigm touches reality or truth or any of these things despite the big claims it makes it's all just kind of like bunkus it's all just the the sort of um i guess you could say the the self-interest of the the people who are selling it to you the priestly jews who are presenting this reality to the world and there is this great thing that happens though is that if you can get somebody like jordan if dennis prager can get jordan peterson to think that the jewish perspective in the world is the right one that's
	very advantageous to the jews it's very very advantageous of course it is why wouldn't it be it's like i'm irish and if i can get all english people to watch irish movies like michael collins and see the the english irish struggle from my perspective that's great for me those english people would be like fuck we're we're terrible bastards i've got to go and stop uh funding the army we've got to go and pull that army out of there we've done terrible things to those people it really works for me so if i can get them to start thinking that way and i can make loads of movies to make them believe that that's
	very advantageous now the com the complex nature of i guess the discussion we're having is that this jewish perspective is our religion it achieved victory in rome and it has become the european way of seeing the world and that sets up this amazing spiritual tension where our world perspective is fundamentally built on looking at the world through the eyes of the jews and that that really has an effect on us and a lot of people are sort of asking questions about what does that mean and you see now where people
	wake up to the theills of our world and they might even say there's abuses of power going on with um you know the zionists or something like this and they default back to christianity it's like but it's this is how scary it is it's like you're still defaulting back to the same perspective and it's like what if what if the answer might not be that's why it's controlled opposition that right there what you say i always call it controlled opposition it's like they got full spectrum dominance either way it's like based from the judeo root and christians and aren't just maybe the whole like a lot of the
	maybe secular world still looks through the world in the eyes of the jews because we've had a christian culture for 2000 years but christians even more so are looking through the eyes of of the judeo paradigm believing that they're god's chosen people like convincing the world that you're chosen by god the one true god and all the the gods and deities of of the nation, the ancestors of the nations were all demons and you were impure and fallen.
	It's like saying that you're fallen and destined for hell, and then saying that all you have to do is believe in the power of Jewish prophecy and Jewish blood magic, scapegoat, ritual atonement sacrifices, and then you get everlasting life.
	It's like the carrot and stick, fear-based psychological manipulation, theological warfare, mind control that has conquered the world.
	And it's fascinating when you see it because you can understand how psychologically sophisticated that is.
	Like most people are actually quite simple and straightforward.
	And I don't mean that as to denigrate people.
	Like most people are fucking busy going to work.
	Most people have stuff to do.
	And when there's a religion that's 2,000 years old and they've been born completely saturated in it, and it presents to them these concepts of hell beneath the world and the afterlife.
	Like these are things that resonate with people on a very deep level.
	And most people aren't going to question that stuff.
	And that's how you see the sort of total victory that happened in Rome back in those days where Rome took on this new world vision.
	And it just completely reshaped the mind of the Europeans and spread out through Rome therefore and had this incredible effect.
	And this is like, this is why Nietzsche's writings are just so profound to me because he's pointing out how amazing that is.
	He's saying like most people don't understand, but this like 2,000 years ago, something massive happened, unbelievably huge.
	The entire spiritual worldview, Welt and Shawn paradigm shifted.
	And the Jews were the people who got control of how we frame the world.
	And that's not insignificant.
	And we've now gone through this process in the last 200 years where we've essentially like, you know, we started to become a bit more atheist and we started to throw off those shackles.
	And Nietzsche was pointing out that like, that's a really big deal.
	That's the first time in thousands of years that we've started to actually challenge with seriousness the entire world perspective our way of seeing the world is built on.
	Now, what does that an opportunity to open up a new perspective?
	Well, what does that mean?
	That's just amazing in and of itself.
	Were we actually trapped in a spiritual paradigm that we're now free of?
	Did we turn Christianity into something that we ourselves possess?
	Who knows?
	And another problem that you see an awful lot with Christians is they fail to acknowledge that this Jewish perspective has their intentions built into it.
	So, for example, the slander often put it, the Jews is that they have the Talmud and all this, but you can read the Torah and you see at the beginning of Deuteronomy where Moses is getting his laws where he's talking about he's wants to, you're allowed to do usury and you're not allowed to take usury off everybody else.
	And it's clearly this sort of ethnocentric, advantageous perspective story that's getting given to the people.
	It's their perspective.
	And it's something that slaps you in the face really, really hard where you're like, holy crap, like the Bible, not the Talmud, not anything like that.
	The Bible, the roots of our religion.
	Jesus said he came here to fulfill Mosaic law.
	Mosaic law is an ethnocentric, self-interested world perspective.
	And this is what we are putting as the thing that decides the fate of our souls, decides the nature of our reality, the way that we think about the world.
	And it's a radical question.
	It's monstrous.
	It's like, if that's wrong, if that's a mistake, if we judge it from this way and we have to cast that off and move on to something new, what does that mean?
	It's an amazing question.
	It entertains me endlessly.
	Let me put it this way.
	And it's amazing watching, for example, someone like you come across it and just the ire because it's so difficult for people to think like this.
	But it's a very real thing.
	It's funny.
	I watch your videos and it almost makes me want to be Christian.
	Like of all people, who's closest to converting me to Christianity, it might be Uber Boyo, strangely enough, just because the way of you kind of like breaking down the benefits, the utility and how it's creates cohesions at sometimes.
	But here's your tweet about that, about how Christians are Torah apologists.
	Christians basically affirm the idea that the Jewish book of scriptures of fairy tales are true history, that they're really the chosen people of prophets and priests that can speak for God.
	And you can't put a dollar amount on that type of influence.
	There's no greater way to control people than through religion.
	And so instead of the nations, the non-Jewish world opposing the Torah, Christians have been the biggest promoters and defenders and advocates of the Torah, which is very anti-Gentile.
	It's very supremacist.
	It's very genocidal with the prophecies.
	That's another psychological aspect of Christianity I wanted to get into with you is this apocalyptic worldview that there's God's divine plan.
	There's these prophecies.
	So if war comes, you know, if there's a beast system, mark of the beast, if everything goes to shit, that's a good thing because it's God's plan and it has to happen that way.
	Like what kind of world, like what kind of that worldview has an effect on the world, the impact.
	What do you think?
	Maybe we could start with the Jews because again, Nietzsche in Beyond Good and Evil has some just brilliant passages.
	And again, like Nietzsche is just really good at seeing both sides of the argument.
	And like, I consider it a great compliment that you would listen to my stuff.
	And I can, I can go very hard against Christianity, but I can also go very clear, like steelman it as well.
	And when people listen to it, they realize that I'm juggling two things in the air and really kind of getting people to think because this stuff is not straightforward.
	And so the Jews, for example, are a fascinating people beyond like one of the most interesting people in all of human history.
	They're absolutely amazing.
	And Nietzsche would point this stuff out is that what did the Jews bring to Europe?
	He says, many things, both good and bad.
	But most of all, in some sense, I'm paraphrasing.
	Most of all, they taught us how to think big.
	They taught us how to think massive.
	And when you look at the kind of ancient European pagan religions, there's these great stories, but something about Judaism and like the Old Testament, for example, is that it's epic.
	Like the proportions are just huge.
	You know, the whole world, Yahweh, the creator of the whole world has chosen you.
	And through you, the destiny of the whole world is going to be transformed.
	These things are monstrous and monumental in their scope.
	And big epic, you know, Hollywood typed narratives really you cut out there a minute.
	Do that sentence over again.
	Beautiful.
	Have you got me back?
	Yeah, now we hear you.
	Awesome, awesome.
	So as I was saying, the Old Testament, the Torah is epic.
	It's got these big dramatic stories.
	It's very, very profound for this reason.
	And the Jews themselves, Nietzsche again, compliments them as very psychologically vital.
	Now, they're not physically vital because they're sort of like nerds.
	If you want to understand the Jews, they're people made for slavery is what Tatita said about them.
	Okay, I got to stop you real quick.
	I need to give you a South Park warning first before we Continue if we're going to talk about Jews anymore here, okay?
	Here, let's turn on the audio so you can hear it.
	All right, before you continue on the philosophy and psychology of the Jews, yeah, it makes Jews into stereotypes.
	Stereotyping Jews is cheerful.
	Something must be done to stop that moving.
	Stereotyping Jews is cheerable.
	Something must be done.
	Okay, so no stereotypes, no tropes.
	Psychology of Jews.
	Go for it.
	No, we'll give them a compliment.
	I'm also getting an echo off you, by the way.
	Yeah, I'm fixing it.
	Ah, sweet, sweet, sweet.
	So they are people who have been trapped in slavery for many years of their lives.
	And the experience of slavery is that you can't use violent force.
	You can't participate in the political process.
	And so you're bullied into, in some sense, only really being able to act as like a sort of intellectual people.
	That's all you can really do.
	So what the Jews essentially turn into is like a kind of batch of slaves and a group of priests who control them.
	And this is what their society becomes.
	Most other societies, for example, would be like farmers, and then they'd have the military, and then they'd have maybe the high priests.
	The Jews are actually just a bunch of like labor slaves and then a bunch of priests.
	And they don't have it.
	They don't have farmers.
	They don't have these other things.
	And so they turn into this very unique people.
	They evolve to be very abstract, very focused on like strategy and not for they're not confrontational.
	They're not militaristic, but they're very good at the social game.
	Storytelling.
	And exactly.
	That's what the Bible is, basically, is the greatest story ever.
	And of course, you have to understand that these people, these Jews, are going to tell a story that's going to suit their perspective.
	And like evolutionarily, they're forced to do this.
	Like either they choose to just accept their slaves and die, which like you can understand people, if they have strong will, they wouldn't do that.
	And the Jews do have this strong psychological will.
	They say, well, we're going to keep fighting.
	And so instead of accepting reality, which is that they're slaves, they create a whole fake story.
	They create this whole scheme that, oh, God's actually putting us to a trial.
	And in the long distant future, we are going to actually reap the world.
	And they have the same instincts we all do.
	They want conquest.
	They want victory.
	But of course, they're going to present their victory as this idea that the whole world is going to be harvested by them and it's going to be reforged to suit the Jewish experience, which is one of slavery.
	So the whole world is going to have to be moral, where there are no more slaves, where things are all transformed.
	And this is a big story.
	This is a massive story.
	And it's very rare that any people on earth think in such epic proportions.
	Actually, the only people I say who do think on such epic proportions are the Europeans, since we've been through the experience of Judaized Christianity, which has taught us to think in epic proportions.
	But nonetheless, that's what the Jews are doing.
	So when you see the patterns built into the Judeo-Christian paradigm, huge amounts of it are very, very epic.
	They talk about this big idea of the transformation of the world, the lifting of reality, the remoralization of the world.
	And the Jews, of course, present it as this idea that Yahweh is going to give them back Jerusalem and through Jerusalem, they're going to fix the world.
	Now, Christianity branches off from Judaism at that point, but it carries all the same patterns, but it turns it into a much more sort of universal magical prophecy.
	Like things kind of like transform a little bit.
	And so the whole idea is that like Jesus will conquer the world.
	And then Islam has the same thing.
	Islam is the same intellectual, the spiritual paradigm built inside of it, where it's going to bring Allah to the world and everybody will know the truth of Islam and the light of Islam.
	And this story is just epic.
	It's massive.
	And for this reason, it's very motivating.
	It's very effective at control.
	It's simple.
	It's clear.
	It's repeatable.
	It's not something that you have to overthink.
	It's something you can give to like the vast majority of people who are busy and they can get involved in that story and run along with it.
	So we would call this a metanarrative in the philosophical game, if you so wish.
	So that's a really important part of it.
	And it has many motivating consequences.
	The pro-Christian perspective.
	Did you just?
	Yeah, I was just keeping notes for myself.
	Oh, okay.
	Those are notes.
	I don't know.
	It might make a noise when you do that.
	My bad.
	I heard a noise.
	I do my notes on a notepad.
	But yeah, I take notes when you talk to all the time.
	So you talked about Jews kind of like as the nerds, the ones like kind of plotting and thinking and strategizing and storytelling, coming up with myth makers.
	And through Christianity really was their ultimate victory where this Jewish messianic sect conquered Rome through the nonviolent approach.
	Instead with theological warfare, with religious spiritual conquest.
	And while they have the persecuted victim status, but then they also believe that they're chosen and they're going to get their justice and their vengeance and win in the end.
	It is the greatest story ever told.
	It has worked incredibly well for them.
	It's almost like if it didn't work well, it wouldn't be the religion that took over the world.
	So we got a couple of super chats.
	Pat Paj O says, nice to see Uber Boyo on the show again.
	This is in another language now.
	I'm going to butcher it.
	Maithu Achara.
	You know what that means?
	It sounds like Irish.
	Something.
	I can't read it.
	So I'm thinking Kara is friend.
	So he's saying something.
	He's either saying it's good to be friends or something like this.
	Okay, got it.
	And Primordial Chaos Firstborn says they siphoned all spirituality through their Abrahamic lens after the dust settled.
	All we had was Christianity.
	Then 2,000 years later, they pull the rug from under it and do a controlled demolition of the church and scapegoat them as the villains of history.
	Now people think spirituality is dead.
	God is dead.
	Got thoughts on that?
	It's a very interesting thing.
	Didn't Nietzsche have a book, God is Dead?
	Or isn't that a book similar?
	It's just a famous quote of his because he discusses this.
	The implosion.
	So remember that idea I was talking about earlier where we had this pagan worldview in Rome.
	And that's a world.
	It's a world perspective.
	And true Christianity, the Judeo-world perspective gets installed inside of Rome and the pagan worldview is washed away and destroyed, essentially.
	And that like it's, you know, the initial objective of the Judaism in the Jews.
	This is what's fascinating.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Which is so interesting.
	You know, so you can think of this like really advanced magic or something like this.
	Like they are there trapped in Babylon and they're looking around them at the pharaohs of Egypt and the kings of Babylon and the great Romans and all these conquerors.
	And they have this dream that one day they will be the ones who rule the world.
	But their dream is that they will rule the world.
	The reason why they should rule the world is because they have a special destiny to fix the world.
	And so the way that they need to rule the world is to transform these people.
	They can't do it with violence.
	So they're going to do it with stories.
	They're going to Do it with the mind, which is a profound vision in and of itself.
	And they actually achieved this for one of the most significant ways through Christianity.
	Christianity installs inside of the master race, if you will, Rome, a new perspective that is aligned with their value system, that affirms their world perspective, that affirms the experience of them.
	It transforms the moral order of Rome.
	And then through 2,000 years, we live as Christians.
	And as Nietzsche said, and many other people said this too, around about 1600s, 1700s, this world's perspective began to break down.
	And people began to turn around and look at the Catholic Church and Christianity.
	The Protestant Revolution comes along and people start to read the Bible and they're like, wait a fucking second.
	Like, what the hell does this thing say here?
	And people began to do critical discussions of the Bible.
	And eventually this just erodes people's belief in it because, of course, it's full of too many contradictions for it to be taken as literally as people offer it to be so.
	And so it implodes.
	And you can see how Christians are becoming like such great fanatical allies for a foreign country.
	You know, Zionism in America has been like a huge, a huge issue.
	I think that's brought a lot of Christianity into question.
	This is a very fascinating thing because the Jews themselves, first of all, were not emancipated.
	Like, this is a weird thing.
	As Christianity was falling, the emancipation of the Jews was beginning.
	So the liberal world order was introducing.
	And you can look at like Voltaire and all these characters doing this type of stuff.
	And so as the Jews were emancipated, they began their project of trying to figure out what to do with themselves.
	And that's when Zionism came out of them, like Theodore Herzl and all this around about the 19th century.
	And as this was happening, political, the political question with Christianity wasn't that big of a deal until the end of the 19th century.
	And then people started to notice this stuff.
	Like evangelical Zionism became a much bigger question for people.
	It's like, wait, wait a second, Christianity seems like it gains an awful lot of meaning out of this idea of Zionism fulfilling the prophecies in the Bible.
	And then you see, you see an awful lot of in Germany, you see an awful lot of people talking this way.
	You know, Nietzsche didn't talk about this because Zionism wasn't even a thing in his day.
	And he wrote in the 1880s, you know, so that came much actually a couple of years later after him.
	So it's a very recent thing when you think about it.
	But this is a big part of it, certainly, that Christianity has revealed how politically involved with Judaism it is through American Zionism.
	Like that's that's a really big representation of exactly what you're dealing with.
	It's kind of clear as day when you look at history.
	But before that, it was never really a question.
	It was more just understanding how Judaism is like Voltaire, for example, was always giving out about Judaism because he was just basically blaming it for being irrational.
	He was like Richard Dawkins or something like this, saying, this is all made up.
	Their stories are just made up.
	And it's kind of funny reading his complaints about it compared to some of the stuff that you see now.
	Nietzsche, very, very similar.
	I guess to kind of complete my point from earlier, but as this God is dead thing began to happen.
	So the implosion of the Christian narrative began to happen.
	What Nietzsche was pointing out is that the worldview was falling apart.
	And this was a big problem because you actually need a worldview in order to have a fucking stable society and a people.
	And that's what he was pointing out with his whole thing.
	God is dead.
	We're now in the era of nihilism, which is where there are no worldviews.
	How do we create a new, how do we re-establish a worldview?
	And Nietzsche believed that we need to actually go away from Christianity and create a new world perspective that's like connected back to reality and the old world and even science itself.
	And that's a big project in and of itself.
	And he was like very aspirational about this.
	But that's the kind of like frame of the theory and all these things.
	So I'll leave it there if you have any thoughts.
	Yeah, well, I wanted to ask about the psychology of being a Christian, believing that you're like, you're essentially born evil, born fallen and damned for hell unless you believe in the Jewish fairy tales.
	And also the idea of how you're almost devaluing this life, the one life that we know we have, you know, in the dreams of this going to heaven in the afterlife and how it almost makes Christians, many of them, complacent and content with stuff that's going on in the world.
	And, you know, that they think they're going to get their cosmic justice in the next world and stuff like that.
	The psychological effects of those ideas.
	Awesome.
	So maybe I'll start with the kind of steel man for Christianity.
	One of the most fascinating and I think persuasive sides of Christianity is understanding how Jesus Christ is, and that experience of seeing a victim is actually transformative for people.
	Like, regardless of what we say, maybe it is because we're so Christian now.
	That's one thing to think about it.
	But when you look across, if you watch Passion of the Christ, like it is moving.
	Like Jesus is clearly a noble character.
	Now, I know you believe that he's completely made up, but we'll even say just in terms of the story, you know, it's compelling to watch a man.
	He's the hero.
	I have him as the hero.
	He's the hero in the Jewish story.
	He's also the villain in the Jewish story.
	Yeah, which is interesting.
	But yeah, like he's the hero and it's aspirational where he goes and he's a complete victim.
	And despite this, he, you know, justly faces his struggle and his pain.
	And there's a lot of paradoxes wrapped up in Christianity that is showing us that it's this reversion of the world.
	And most Christians will talk about this, that something happened that changed the world.
	And it actually does fix a problem that we have, which is like we look out into the world and we see the lion kill the gazelle and we see people suffer.
	And like, you know, maybe you'll have a tragedy in your life someday.
	Your dog dies or maybe your mother dies or maybe like something, something bad happens, you get ill or something like this.
	And you will experience extreme suffering.
	And at that point, you will feel like a victim.
	You'll feel like somebody who's on the short end of the stick of life.
	And it's very easy to connect with Christ then at that point and realize that he's a man who suffered well.
	And he's like, if God himself came down and said, look at me, I'm like you.
	I understand what it's like to suffer.
	I get it.
	We're in this together.
	And worse still, I love you despite this.
	I don't hate you.
	I don't think you're pathetic.
	I actually am there for you.
	That's very compelling for people to hear that.
	It's very comforting and very moving.
	Like my dad's somewhat of an atheist, but his brother died and he went to the church, you know, because you can go in there and you can be with those type of ideas.
	And it's very, very moving.
	So I think it's important to keep that stuff clear.
	The kind of danger of Christianity would be the sort of falsification of the world, as Nietzsche would say, because the way that it has these psychological effects are profound and they really do move people's souls.
	But many of the ways that it achieves these psychological effects perhaps might be through lies, through deceptions, true, you know, fake stories about realities.
	Like some people would say, for example, that the crucifixion is not even true or something like this.
	It's all this kind of spin that we put on things.
	Well, your video is convincing me to want to be compelling me to want to be a Christian, not convinced, obviously.
	It not has nothing To do with the truth, the historicity of anything in the Bible.
	It was like the, you know, the other, the other side effects and benefits that there is that come along with it.
	And how I think that they're using those things that are inherent in societies and using that and giving you your savior, giving you the moral framework that they want, which ultimately comes from them.
	They brag about it and benefits them.
	And I think that's very true.
	Like, I think if you look at Buddhism, Buddhism is a very sophisticated religion, which can give you a large amount of that empathy and that understanding of suffering without any need to appeal to another world.
	And this is something Nietzsche talks about is that Buddhism and Christianity are very similar.
	Like in some sense, they are world denying stories that see the world as full of evil and suffering and that it must be conquered via empathy and via like a strong heart.
	But they achieve it in different ways.
	Buddha achieves this by separating from the world and becoming a wise man who can observe and is able to conquer his passions and observe the nonsense of the world and the suffering of the world and conquer it spiritually by like noticing that you don't need to participate in it.
	And Christianity does this maybe more crude way.
	It shoves in your face like a torn up dead body.
	And that might be effective, but it doesn't mean that it's total.
	And this is where Christianity runs into so many troubles is that it claims totality.
	It's the only way.
	It's the only way you can have these experiences.
	It's based on the premise of belief.
	It's like, I'm not even sure if Christianity needs belief to have some of its best effects, which is weird in and of itself.
	I certainly understand the romance of the beliefs, but it requires all these things like, you know, submit to the church, submit to the entire world vision, submit to the Judeo-Christian story, submit to the prophecies of Yahweh.
	All of this stuff is so heavily loaded.
	And you go over to something like Buddhism and Buddhism achieves many of its most valuable goals without any need for any of that extra stuff.
	Buddhism is very, very, you know, you don't have to believe.
	It's almost scientific in the sense of it doesn't offer you a faith.
	It says to you like, look, here's a procedure.
	Here's a reality.
	You can just take it for yourself and test it.
	And if you believe it, follow along with it.
	But you don't have to trust me, you know, and that's very, very fascinating to see it this way.
	So Christianity, a fascinating religion, very complicated.
	But I think it shoots itself in the foot so much by being tied to the revelations.
	And if the revelations, this is something Nietzsche points out as well, like if the revelations, especially if the revelation of God is not what it is being presented as, like the whole thing just starts to fall apart.
	It starts to collapse.
	And it's very bad because then people lose contact with these values of having a soul, having a heart, having empathy.
	And I think we're in this very interesting evolutionary stage where we've been through 2,000 years of being Christianized, of being Judaized in some sense.
	And that has transformed us and made us morally conscious and made us be able to think in these epic proportions.
	But if the belief system falls, we're still going to need that.
	And that's where this great spiritual evolution is being offered to us, where maybe we have to move beyond that.
	Like that's a really big question.
	And it'll be fascinating to see how it plays out.
	Patrick Bateman says, big fan of both of you, Uber Boyo.
	I do have to say that Schopenhauer absolutely mogs Nietzsche intellectually and philosophically.
	But I do enjoy your takes on Nietzsche.
	Keep up the great work, lads.
	Thank you, Mr. Bateman.
	Thank you, Bateman.
	And you talked about submission.
	I did this tweet the other day and it really triggered the Christians, even though it's just so it's not even like a controversial take.
	I said, Christianity is about the nations submitting to the God of Israel slash Zion.
	The God of the Jewish God is really what I wanted to say.
	But that is what it is, about getting them to the nations to submit to their God.
	I could pull dozens and dozens of verses out of the Torah and the Tanakh about this and the verses in Christianity that reference these verses.
	And then they were losing it, not with any type of responses, but with, you're being divisive.
	You're a secret Jew, blah, blah, blah, just for Satan saying something so obvious.
	Why do you think this statement gets so under the skin of Christians?
	Like it gets under the skin of right-wing Christians.
	If you ever speak to a left-wing Christian, they'll be like, yeah, class.
	Great.
	Fantastic.
	That's right.
	We're slaves.
	We're sheep following the Jewish shepherd.
	Yeah, like the Jews were the oppressed people.
	The Jews had terrible things happen to them all throughout history.
	And the Jews ultimately carry the story of morality.
	And so fantastic.
	We're all becoming slaves to their way of seeing the world.
	We're bowing down to Yahweh.
	This is good.
	This is the frame that they would take.
	And the right-wing Christians have a cut out.
	Hold on.
	Say that again.
	You cut out very European.
	So you said right-wing Christians and you cut out.
	No worries.
	No worries.
	Right-wing Christians, I completely understand because, of course, the West is experiencing a very serious threat to our civilization.
	I think part of it is some of these philosophical, these massive, huge trends that are philosophical that I'm talking about.
	But there are certainly political forces like organized Zionism and stuff like this that have intentions that don't align with European intentions.
	And a lot of people feel rightfully very threatened by that.
	And they're by this idea that, you know, white people or Christians are evil.
	And they try to default back to something that gives them a moralized identity.
	And of course, Christianity is a European religion in many ways.
	In some sense, it married to Greek philosophy, Platonism specifically.
	And so when you come in contact with Christianity, you are coming in contact with something that is different than Judaism.
	And it does come from our history and it does contain our identity.
	So I completely understand that stuff.
	And these people then attach to this as this weapon that they have, this spiritual weapon to fight against, I guess you could say, this sadistic instincts of politically organized Judaism or Zionism.
	But I think the big problem is, is that it's a reaction.
	It's not grounded in really firm realities and truths.
	And so this comes up with these big, big, big problems.
	It doesn't understand, first of all, these macro trends we're talking about, the giant things like Nietzsche was saying that have been going on for hundreds of years.
	Political Judaism is not even that old.
	It's important to realize this stuff.
	And of course, it doesn't even deal with the bigger trends, which are thousands of years old, which is that Christianity comes out of the Jewish world perspective.
	And you're stuck with this fundamental irony that's very hard to get over at our stage in our evolution of our culture.
	Where if you want to be anti-Semite, you want to go against the Jews and you're Christian, like you're believing in their world way of seeing the world.
	And these things don't compute.
	And Nietzsche was constantly pointing this out, that it's a very incoherent perspective.
	And it's something that you have to really, really consider.
	And I think when you poke at people like this, you just rile up their emotions because, first of all, they're reactionary.
	So they're very emotionally charged.
	And you are sort of shaking the thing that's holding their identity together.
	They feel demoralized.
	They feel depressed.
	They feel like their culture is getting conquered.
	They feel like they're losing grip of their destiny.
	And then you're coming and you're taking the one thing away from them that they felt that they was keeping them together.
	That was their hope.
	That was their light.
	And That doesn't feel nice.
	Never.
	The problem is, is that doesn't mean you're wrong.
	It doesn't mean what they have is true.
	And that's a very, very hard punch in the chest for people to accept.
	So instead of confronting it, they're just going to get mad about it, you know, especially if you're going to, you know, poking the hornet's nest a little bit as well.
	I hope Christians don't take this type of advice from John 18, 36.
	Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world.
	If it were, my servants, Christians, would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders.
	But now my kingdom is from another place.
	Verses like that, the takeaway is like, don't fight, be complacent, you know, be offer yourself up like Jesus, right?
	Give away all your wealth.
	Being rich, you won't get into heaven.
	You know, this world is not important.
	If you're a slave, be a slave.
	It's the afterlife that's important just by believing in the king of the Jews.
	What do you think when you see a verse like that?
	Again, like, I'm such a Nietzsche cell.
	Apologies.
	It's almost like I have no original thoughts at all.
	I just think he was fantastic.
	But he did this analysis in his book, The Antichrist, where he talks about the character of Christ.
	And he actually has some very interesting reframes.
	He points out that an awful lot of what we understand as the Christian Christ is probably coming from St. Paul.
	The idea of a resurrected Christ.
	He believes that came from St. Paul.
	The idea of like, you know, the sort of organized church Christianity.
	That's all St. Paul as this very effective organizer.
	Whereas Jesus himself, when you actually just read the original works, Jesus himself comes across almost like a Mahatma Gandhi or kind of like hippie-like character.
	I know that's a bit of a cringe meme, but it is definitely there on some level that Christ is very much like a sort of Dostoevsky, innocent, very actually warm-hearted.
	Like Nietzsche didn't hate Christ at all.
	He presents the character of Christ, not as a true virtuous hero, but definitely not as a bad dude.
	He's somebody actually who is almost like a wise man who could embrace life and live in the moment.
	And many of the kind of statements that Christ makes is about almost like letting go.
	You know, he's very much like Eckhart Toll or something like this.
	Let go, live in the moment.
	The kingdom of God is not something you find out there or not something you're getting afterwards.
	It's inside you.
	You find it inside your heart.
	It's about you freeing yourself from the psychological turmoil of doubt, of hesitation, of pain, of struggle.
	And he's in some sense is rebelling against the Jewish powers by saying to them, like, they're in there and they're trying to get you politically organized.
	And you should, don't, don't let them take control of who you are.
	Separate from that stuff.
	Save your own soul.
	And so he's almost like, you know, like, I guess you could say like a little spiritual movement, like that type of thing, which is obviously what we understand it as.
	A guy trying to bring people inner peace, a little cult, you know, a little kind of community of people who kind of separate from all the nonsense going on in the world and live in the moment and live good and live almost like in a monastery or something like this.
	And Nietzsche points out that that's fine, but some of the problems with this, of course, are that if you make that the total image of how man should be, you miss out on many things that make up a good man, which is, for example, bravery and virtue and the capacity to enact warrior violence upon the world and stuff like this.
	And for this reason, an awful lot of Christianity that came afterwards, like the revelations and various things in Pauline Christianity, compensates for this lack of spirit inside Christ by creating these elaborate demands of how the world is going to get conquered by Christ returning in his horse with his big sword and slashing everybody up and all this type of stuff.
	So Nietzsche would say that Christ's character is certainly something that is admirable, but not total, not what we could say is the image of a hero.
	And people will find that very harsh, but that's just his criticism.
	Well, I wish he would have criticized.
	He said that he has a famous quote that Christians aren't opposing Judaism.
	They're the ultimate fulfillment of Judaism.
	But I feel like he, I wish he would have included in his analysis how Jesus was a like a way of theologically conquering the nations and that he's fulfilling the scriptures of the Torah Messiah, where it said all along that the nations would be obedient.
	He would bring judgment.
	They would be his footstool.
	He will rule in the land of thine enemies with a rod of iron.
	Like when you pull out those verses, you see a little more clearly like what Jesus has done.
	And this idea of Jesus being the fulfillment of, or Christianity being the fulfillment of Judaism, this isn't just Nietzsche.
	This isn't just what we all see that's plain as day.
	This is what the rabbis are bragging about.
	I just had an interview.
	Also, you comment, you commented on, shoot, I thought I had it.
	Here it is.
	You commented on my video the other day of Fuentes and the Groipers and the rabbi saying that it fulfilled.
	I wanted to get into that a little bit about the Christianity fulfilling the objectives of Judaism.
	Let's see.
	Adam King said it the other day.
	This is coming.
	Hold on.
	You can't hear it, huh?
	I'm afraid not.
	No.
	Here we go.
	Because this is coming.
	This is coming.
	And the Torah is coming.
	Are you holding up the Torah saying that's this is the blueprint?
	This is the script.
	This is written here will happen.
	What is written in here will happen.
	And if the wealth of the nations doesn't come from the nations and they don't run to the Jews and say, please and fulfill this prophecy, it seems like they come willingly.
	As Noahides, right?
	As Esau, the older, shall serve the brother Noah.
	It's still forbidden to give over 20% of your wealth.
	So like, but they do.
	A lot of Christians run.
	They want to donate to Israel.
	They get really passionate about Israel.
	They really see what Israel really is about.
	So are Christians fulfilling prophecy then?
	You do the Christians are fulfilling prophecy?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I agree.
	By their beliefs, they're fulfilling prophecy because the prophecy was that they would believe in your God.
	That's the ultimate goal.
	All right.
	And Adam King is not unique in this take on Christianity, that the Christians are fulfilling their prophecies.
	And the anti-Jewish Christians get so triggered when we show them.
	I've got an echo, by the way.
	I've got an echo right away.
	I'll fix it.
	They say that they're lying or they're just coping.
	Like, how can Christians be in denial that this was their goal, that they're accomplishing their goals, that the Jews were the initial anti-pagans, and then now the Christians are celebrating.
	I'm not the echo again, man.
	Oh, shoot, I did it the wrong way.
	Sorry.
	There we go.
	So go ahead.
	You have thoughts?
	Yeah.
	So first thing I'd like to say is, like, again, I said at the start, but it's just so fascinating For you to get this, like, you know, you get a rabbi up and talk with them and have it, like, even, I don't know how that conversation went, but I assume it's a civil conversation and just really discuss this stuff.
	And, like, I have it, I experienced this stuff very academically, you know, like I read maybe Nietzsche and stuff like this.
	But it's so fascinating watching you just like pull these people up and they're talking about this in just very explicit terms.
	And they obviously have the passion because I understand it.
	I understand how their perspective on the world want to be the winners.
	They want to be the people who decide the destiny of the world and the future.
	That's sort of life's predicate.
	We all want that in some sense.
	And it's just amazing, you know, that you find these people, you sit them down, you chat with them, and they're just saying it, you know, and they say it with a good conscience because that's what you'd expect.
	So it's just, it's incredible.
	It's really, really profound to watch this.
	I think Gnostic Informant, you had a video of him, and he had some rabbi on who was talking about Edom and all this type of stuff.
	And it's just amazing hearing that.
	You know, it's just so clear that Edom will fall and then that will bring in the end times and then Judaism will have its like, you know, it will blossom and achieve its final victory and all these things.
	And the point that you constantly bring up is just like astounding when you really think about it because yes, these people, they're holding up the Torah.
	You know, they're holding up the Old Testament, Deuteronomy.
	And inside the Torah and inside Isaiah are profound prophecies.
	And the Christian argument is that those prophecies point towards Christ, but there are other prophecies inside of it.
	You know, there are all these revelations, if you so will.
	Now, this is a very sort of like Carl Jung interpretation of this stuff.
	If you psycho, excuse me, psychoanalyze this work, you have to understand that these revelations might not necessarily be coming from the one true God, but they're more than likely coming from the Jewish instincts.
	They're coming from the Jewish, I guess you could say, racial soul or collective unconscious.
	Made in their image.
	Exactly.
	And like, again, this is not some type of slander against them.
	This is perfectly normal.
	We have all myths and stories and we have all our political aspirations.
	And I know this stuff intimately.
	Us Westerners have a shared one as well.
	But the Jews have theirs.
	And this is what they were mining out of themselves.
	They're great prophets like Isaiah, profound people, very, very talented visionaries, produce all these visions.
	They get all these visions out of themselves and they give these prophecies for how the world should go.
	And it's in some sense an expression of the Jewish will to power.
	That's what all these prophecies are.
	They're revelations of the Jewish racial soul, the Jewish collective unconscious.
	And this is compelling and amazing.
	It goes to show you the creative strength of these people.
	And they paint this incredible picture.
	And what does happen in Christianity is that this vision of the world, the worldview that I keep saying, the Judaic worldview, evolves over time, as everything does.
	And people, it's like memes organizing themselves.
	You know, some Jews bicker about it.
	Isaiah gets murdered, for example, by the Jews.
	I think they saw his legs off or something like this.
	And Christ is another example of a prophet that shows up and he just gets abused.
	And he was trying to pull the Jewish vision in a certain direction.
	But all of it is the same set of revelations, the same sort of Jewish worldview, the Jewish set of stories rolling forward into reality and imposing themselves upon reality and trying to shape the world in their image and trying to make the revelations come true.
	It's their will expressing itself.
	And when this guy says all this stuff will come true, he's not necessarily talking about something objective, even though they frame it that way.
	He's talking about how this is motivating a very, very culturally organized and powerful people to push the world in this way.
	But it is coming from a people fundamentally.
	This is why Nietzsche is so brilliant because he's so clear on this stuff.
	And this is such a fascinating thing about Christianity is that on some level, Christianity is always contributing towards that project because its revelations are predicated on that project.
	It's fulfilling the collective unconscious of Judaism, if you so will.
	Now, maybe you believe that the Judeo-destiny of the world is good.
	This is what Jordan Peterson would believe.
	But you can also take a perspective that it's not.
	You could take a Nietzschean one and say, maybe there's a different way we could look at the world that actually leads to high culture and success.
	And there's a lot of people who have interesting takes on that stuff.
	But that's the one fundamentally.
	I'll read you a little bit from Genealogy of Morals to articulate this because there's some brilliant things here.
	This might be a little bit of a long read, so maybe I'll cut it.
	Before you start there, let me announce a huge dono in from Nagomadas.
	He says, Adam, you are one of a kind.
	We should support your work in painstaking efforts in liberating the Gentiles and many brainwashed Jews from this absurd and destructive Judeo-Christian mind virus.
	Way more.
	Much gratitude.
	Stay strong, William.
	Thank you so much, William.
	And yes, I wish the rest of you would help chip in a little bit so Nagomatis doesn't have to break the bank.
	Appreciate it so much.
	Wouldn't be possible without you, William.
	All right, go ahead.
	Let's hear.
	What is the quote from again?
	So it's from Genealogy of Morals, essay one, number seven and number eight.
	And a big problem with this is that if you're going to bitch about Judaism, like we maybe we're sitting here and we're bitching about Judaism.
	Oh, they're so terrible.
	They want to give the world a destiny.
	But you kind of have to have a better fucking answer.
	You know, like we have to say, like, well, what destiny should the world have?
	And a lot of us, like, you know, the reactionary Christians and many of the people in these spheres don't have a good answer to this.
	And they have to really take that one on the chin.
	I think people can come up with good answers.
	It'd be hard to come up with a worthwhile agenda than the Judeo-one, if you ask me, with the wars and the plagues and the famines and the earthquakes and the theocracy from Jerusalem, dictatorship, Davidic dictatorship, all according to the Judeo-Pre-Prince planned script.
	That sounds like the worst possible thing.
	Anything would be better than that.
	So this is what Nietzsche kind of gets into: is that he talks an awful lot in genealogy of morals about the priests, the priestly type of people, because he's a big person on like dishonesty.
	And a kind of a nerd is a priest is always sort of incentivized to be a little bit crafty and dishonest and a little bit sort of resentful towards life itself.
	But they're very clever.
	So this is why they're so powerful.
	And one brilliant criticism he has of Jews, because he's very harsh against people who just go and like bitch about the Jews all the time, always calling out like Christian anti-Semites and stuff like this.
	But he does have some astounding criticisms of Judaism.
	And one of them is accusing them precisely of this: listen, your whole moral vision of the world is not some noble thing where you're going to fix the world.
	It actually comes from a place of sort of resentment.
	It's a place of revenge.
	He says the Jews, that priestly nation, which eventually realized that the one method of effecting vengeance on its enemies and tyrants was by means of a radical transformation of the nature of the world, the value system of the world, which was at the same time an act of the cleverest vengeance.
	The method was for a pre the method was only appropriate to a nation of priests, to a nation of the most jealousy and that nursed inside of it this deep priestly vengefulness.
	It was the Jews who, in opposition to the aristocratic equation of being Good meant being beautiful, meant being happy, meant being strong, meant being loved by nature and being loved by the gods.
	The Jews, with this horrible logic, decided to suggest that this was wrong, this was upside down, and instead suggested with this bitterness of profound hatred, that the country was the truth, that the wretched are alone the good, the poor, the weak, the lowly.
	They are the good ones, and the suffering, the needy, the sick, the loathsome, the pathetic.
	They are the ones that need to be lifted up and celebrated.
	And he goes on basically, because it's quite long to read all this stuff, but he points out how that's actually something that sits inside of it: inside of Judaism, this destiny, this great revelation that they want to achieve, is in some sense about not creating a world of greatness and strength and excellence and health and happiness and joy and affirming nature and taking nature and leading it into a future.
	Instead, it's about pulling us into this sort of moral psychosis where we're forced to celebrate the most sickly among us and drag us down into this sort of, I guess you could compare it something similar to communism, you know, where we talk about equality as this beautiful value, but really it was just this sort of paranoid, deceitful, monstrous experience, this type of thing.
	And he's accusing this very, very clearly, and he's offering an alternate direction.
	You could think of the scientific European man as us really achieving a great victory for the world.
	Imagine like the African down in Africa with his eyes getting eaten out by parasitic worms, experiencing some, you know, blonde, weird, you know, European in his clothes come down and give him this little tablet, this weird magic, and all of a sudden all the parasites fall out of his eyes and he can see again.
	Like that's actually this angelic success where we lift the world out of suffering, where we actually do lift the world into more beauty and more happiness by following along with nature.
	Like scientific European man really achieve something incredible.
	But Judaism doesn't necessarily offer this.
	It's offering this sort of this moral fakeness to come down to that same African and tell him the story that God's making you suffer this way because I don't know, it's just the way the destiny works.
	And he's punching right at that point, saying that these people don't have an intention to actually save the world or solve the world or transform the world.
	Instead, they're trying to reevaluate the world to suit their nastiness and their resentment that happened to them because of the great suffering they've been through in their history.
	And he also then goes on to talk about the idea that this has been taking place for thousands of years through Christianity.
	It has been having this profound effect on us.
	But I won't go into that because there's too much to read.
	So there's some thoughts anyway.
	Interesting.
	I want to play this video that you commented on here and get some more of your thoughts.
	So here I said, here's a preview of my new epic edit about how Christianity is part of the Judeo takeover.
	You wrote, these edits are great and very interesting.
	I encounter these ideas through academic work, but it's much more real when you see it in a video and hear different characters utter the phrases.
	So I want to play this and then I want to get into finishing what Nietzsche started.
	That's funny.
	I want to get into this accusation that criticizing Christianity is divisive.
	Let's play this.
	You can't hear it, huh?
	I can't, I'm afraid.
	No, I'll turn it back on.
	Christ is king!
	Christ is king!
	Jesus is king, so powerful!
	It charges me up, it excites me, it fills me with resolve.
	They hate nothing more than that name, than Jesus Christ.
	It has tremendous power.
	Never forget that.
	How can I not be happy when I see millions of Gohim bow down to one Jew tonight?
	I'm not telling y'all what to think about Jesus.
	I think y'all should go to church.
	I think that you guys should believe in your religion.
	I think that you should advocate for your religion.
	I think you should become, if you are Christian, good Christian men and women who bring up your kids in good Christian ways.
	I'm a Jew.
	They were religious Jews who loved the fact that Christians celebrated their religion.
	And I have adopted that attitude all of my life.
	Christians true to their faith are doing God's work.
	That's what I believe.
	And as Maimonides, who was no fan of Christianity or Islam, because he was persecuted by both, the greatest Jewish thinker, many think, he said it's Christians who brought the world to the Torah more than Jews did.
	And I never forget that.
	That's a fact.
	The reason people know the word Genesis or Leviticus or Deuteronomy is because of Christians.
	Shmuly, why don't you believe that Jesus is a Messiah specifically?
	Well, I believe that Jesus is the Christian Messiah in the sense that he brought divinity and redemption to the non-Jewish nations of the world.
	And Christianity is a great world religion.
	Show me these Orthodox Jews, because I watch their shows and I follow all the cultures out there.
	They're like, you know what?
	We just think the Messiah is coming and we like Jesus now.
	We just want to be friends.
	Maimonides writes in a censored passage in his writing, it was taken out by Christian censors in the Middle Ages, that he saw both Christianity and Islam as being very worthwhile steps to wean the ancient world away from paganism and to give them a sense of morality and ethics.
	Ortho bros, we would have no morality without the Jewish God.
	That's the same argument that we always hear from the rabbis.
	I'll get rid of the echo.
	So what are your thoughts on that video?
	It's very fascinating.
	It's very, very fascinating.
	I think you have to sit down and look at that.
	Again, this is a very sophisticated question of, these people are asserting this idea that without Judaism, this is a big idea, and it's a very fair sort of statement, that without religion, without Judaism, we wouldn't have morality.
	Without Christianity coming out of Judaism, the Europeans would not be moral.
	And I can understand how that makes sense inside people's heads, especially when you're in a reactionary position, and you're sitting here and you're looking out in the world, and you're seeing people cut their testicles off, and you're seeing all the mad stuff going on.
	It actually does make sense.
	It's very, very obvious and clear.
	And then you look at Orthodox Ben Shapiro, and you look at Christians, and you look at Muslims, and they all have very coherent religious systems.
	And they have probably the strongest culture resisting all this stuff.
	So it does make sense.
	And in some sense, you actually have to give the credit where it's due.
	Like, even if we don't believe it's necessarily true, it's managing to sustain life in a very chaotic time.
	And that alone is a great victory, regardless of the truth of the religion, it's sort of a Nietzschean idea.
	But at the same time, if you want to talk about this perhaps intellectually, or in regards to something like the truth, I don't think it has the grounds.
	You need to be able to sort of criticize this, but this whole concept of, like, what is morality?
	The Romans...
	did all the great things of civilization without judaism without any influence from it the you know like here's a famous one they talk about like the suggestion that if you run away from christianity there'll be no we'll all go crazy and start sticking our dicks in watermelons or something like this it's like listen the ancient germans were observed by the romans while they were pagan of having monogamous relationships where they would not get married Until they're 21 and they were pair bond for life.
	It's like, what, like, what grounds does any Christian holding towards morality and marriage customs and sexuality have at that point?
	It just falls apart at the seams at that point.
	Because if the German barbarians running around in the forests could get have pair bonded marriages, and nowadays you could even look at like people in the more southern world still having polyamorous relationships, it kind of looks something along the lines of like maybe it's even racial morality or something like this.
	The Romans had all these customs in place.
	The Romans had strict marriage customs.
	The Christians of like France had loads of mistresses.
	Like morality is not something that is in any way connected to Judaism.
	It's just that that's almost like a sort of marketing of propaganda thing.
	Isn't it degrading?
	Isn't that psychologically degrading to believe that we wouldn't have morals without the Jews?
	And that's that they're chosen by God to bring God's morals to the world and that we're evil and we're impure and we're destined for hell without the Jewish king sacrifice.
	How degrading is it to believe all those things?
	It is certainly, it takes an awful lot of spiritual power out of yourself and it does something very horrible to your ancestors.
	Like the Jewish conception of their ancestors is that they were always quite like a righteous people in connection with the moral God.
	And we have to believe that we are some type of beasts that were just slothing around demonically, caught in delusion up in northern Europe and stuff like this.
	And that's just not true.
	You know, it's not, it's not what we understand historically as reality.
	And again, like history is so funny that Judaism claims to be a sort of truth of history, but history itself is very pernicious to the Jewish world story and this idea.
	Like again, Rome built architecture.
	Rome had a civilization that was higher than the majority of Christian civilization.
	You know, like it was coming close to the scientific processes and industrialization at times.
	It built a great architecture.
	It had great music.
	It had great military.
	It had great style.
	It had great culture.
	It had writing.
	It had morality.
	It had all these things.
	It had family.
	It had blood and all these types of things.
	Everything was doing fine under pagan Rome.
	And again, the Germans and all this, it was all fine.
	And this idea that there was something missing, which this religion brought in is kind of nonsense.
	You know, it just doesn't really hold up to reality at all.
	And I think that kind of erodes all this.
	Nonetheless, I understand why people like Nick and all them jump towards Christianity because Christianity is the closest, most living thing that these people have to a stable world vision that leads people towards life.
	I actually get it.
	I don't think that if they comprehend or they take into account the intellectual ironies inside of it, but life doesn't need truth.
	Has it really been stable, though?
	Like, isn't it really clear?
	Isn't that debatable if Christianity has been stable?
	Like, it's caused a lot of wars, a lot of division, a lot of atrocities.
	Like, if we say Christianity never took off, we could have had a history that was far more stable without the Abrahamic book dominating things.
	Don't you think?
	I'm not sure because I think Europeans are warlike in their instincts.
	So like we, I think what's funnier is that we took on Christianity, which is essentially this pacifist religion in many ways.
	And we just started to fucking beat the shit out of each other and just murder each other all the time over it.
	You know, like we are in some sense like possessed by Wodan no matter what.
	We can't really escape that.
	And, you know, I don't think, I don't think you can give, it's like giving, you can take the we say in Ireland, you know, you can take the guy out of the countryside, but you can't take the countryside out of the guy type thing.
	So the Europeans have this, but like humans are warlike by nature.
	It's not like the Muslims didn't fight.
	It's not like the Jews aren't involved in more now that they have a bit of political power and all this type of stuff.
	It's like we all do this in this type of sense.
	I think the bigger question is more like right now, if you look at like the conservative culture, the conservative culture is actually more life-fulfilling than mainstream culture.
	And conservative culture is largely Christian.
	And so a lot of people default back to that.
	And religion itself is almost like this deep biological process that does consider like the rituals inside religion.
	All right, here's maybe a way I could explain it to you.
	The rituals inside Catholicism did not change that much from the Roman religion.
	The Roman, the Catholicism grafted itself onto the Roman religion.
	And much of the rituals you experience in Catholicism are sort of half the Roman things.
	And those rituals like marriage, funerals, baptism, participation in the community, all these things are very pro-life behaviors.
	The church is very pro-life.
	You get to meet your community and all there.
	And in some sense, Christianity is almost like the ideological gaze over that, but you're participating in something that's thousands of years older than Christianity when you're participating in religion.
	And people going back to that are connecting with something that is fertile for life and finding wives and things like this.
	Now, there is an interesting argument that in our period, all the ironies of these religions have come up.
	And so we're starting to question them.
	And maybe it's the smartest thing for us to do would be to strip off all the ideological Judeo-Christian stuff and try to go forward into a future where we take on board these life-affirming rituals, but maybe do it with a new sort of perspective, perhaps even one that integrates science and moves forward and maybe psychology and moves forward in an interesting way.
	So pagan Rome went from conquering Judea, destroying the temple to a few hundred years later, outlawing paganism.
	It was a total theological conquest in a few hundred years.
	And then they used the power of the Roman Empire to impose Torah Messianism and the laws of Moses and the God of Israel on the rest of the Western and the rest of the world.
	And the Jews were the original anti-pagans.
	Christianity adopted that cause.
	And then now Christians are programmed to believe that anybody, not just Jews for rejecting Jesus, but anybody that doesn't worship Jesus, the king of the Jews, is the epitome of all evil, is satanic, is demonic, and God is with them.
	And they're meant to declare holy war on us, essentially.
	So they're imposing the God of Israel and his Torah Messiah on the rest of the European world, calling us demons and working to advance the goals of Yahweh and the Torah Moshiach.
	What do you think about that when they claim that we're being the ones that are divisive, when they're the ones that are basically imposing the Jewish construct on us?
	I can certainly understand it.
	Like I can understand their perspective and the way they see it.
	But it is fascinating that like it's a very anti-intellectual.
	It's like politics coming before, I guess you could even say reality or critical thinking, if you will.
	Because again, like I bring this stuff down into people's emotions because people make emotional decisions.
	They don't make rational decisions.
	And so an awful lot of these people are demoralized.
	They've grown up in a society that is very anti-white, if you wish.
	It's very anti-Christian, of course, because it's anti-European.
	And it's very kind of weird in terms of like, you know, you can see the social fabric breakdown, the breakdown of families and the power structure they don't respect and they feel very threatened like a lot of people are getting told that the European race is going to go extinct because of things like immigration or fertility rates are dropping down.
	And a lot of people are sort of looking at the Europeans and being like, why won't European people stand up for themselves?
	They are just letting all this stuff steamroll them over.
	And so they come to the conclusion that we're missing something inside of ourselves, which you could say is the religion where we're psychologically weak.
	We don't stand for something.
	And so.
	A lot of these people see religion and Christianity as the answer to that.
	They say that that's it.
	And they have this idea that if we could just get everybody to follow religion, to follow Christianity, we'd have this unified political block that they could weaponize and point at the enemy, if you so will.
	And so for this reason, if you come and you attack that idea, that perspective, they categorize you as an enemy.
	They say to you, well, you're getting in the way of the weapon we're trying to create that we can bludgeon the power structure with.
	And I can completely understand their perspective there.
	But again, it just doesn't mean it's true.
	It's just the emotional experience they're having and the way they're organizing the world around this stuff.
	And with them, there is a worry.
	It's like, all right, are they conscious?
	Maybe in the next decade or 20 years, actually, you might be able to have a religious Christian bloc come and push back against all the, I guess you could say, the left-wing degenerate culture.
	But in the big macro perspective, in the next 50 years or 100 years, is that the actual problem we're trying to solve?
	Maybe not.
	Maybe actually what we need is, as I'm talking about this Nietzsche stuff, these monumental transformations of the world paradigm is the actual problem we're trying to solve in the very fun level.
	But that is so abstract, so difficult for people to comprehend, and actually kind of distant from the emotional drama of our realities.
	Like that would actually require us to sacrifice patiently with the idea that we're going to change the world paradigm in a couple of decades or something like this.
	Most people are kind of worried that the new world order is going to happen in eight years, you know, and so people are just like, fuck this.
	I'm going to what's working straight right now.
	And I think that's really the issue that's coming along.
	And so we, you know, us maybe world paradigm shifters, if you want to call us this way, we would maybe look at the Christians and say, these people are the ones who are getting in the way, if you so will.
	They're shutting down intellectual thought.
	And I think more what we're dealing with is we're dealing with people who are quite short-term, are panicking, and are really caught up in immediate political goals.
	And maybe people who are winding out a little bit and seeing the more abstract problem and focusing on that long term and talking about what that means, because that's a much more complicated problem with less straightforward solutions, which is why it's not appealing to the masses.
	And ultimately, like, you know, you have to understand that most people aren't going to engage with these realities in an abstract sense.
	They're going to firmly deal with their emotions in a short-term perspective.
	And to be the only, maybe the caveat of this is that the internet, for some reason, makes all these mimetic things much, much faster.
	So maybe all this stuff will get processed in the next like three to four years and there'll be like a dramatic shift.
	Who knows?
	So I think that's possible.
	Like the conversations me and you are having, I couldn't even believe, like, I couldn't comprehend being able to talk to somebody on the internet about this two years ago.
	Never mind, five years ago.
	So God knows where we'll be in like another two years, another five years.
	That was a complicated answer.
	Hopefully I made sense.
	It did.
	Primordial Chaos Firstborn says, Luke 25, 51, quote, do you think I came to bring peace on earth?
	No, I tell you, but division.
	I understand Uber Boyo's broad view about the positive attributes of religion, but details are the crucial elements.
	This isn't based European Viking warrior spirituality.
	This is subversion.
	Do you agree Christianity is subversion?
	I think I've heard you use that word, Jesus is subversive or something.
	Right?
	Like it did, you know, take it, did some very totalitarian spiritual things to the Roman soul and then eventually the European soul.
	It took away from us our ability to define our collective unconscious and our racial soul.
	It took our ability to connect with our own imagination and our own dreams.
	It took away our connection with our spirit and our symbols.
	And it sent us on this path where we had to allow other people's symbols and other people's world destiny into our heads.
	It certainly did do that.
	It's very important to keep that in mind.
	Now, there's a kind of flip side to this is that the European spirit's very strong.
	You know, like we give a lot of credit to the Jews for their incredible psychological vitality and creativity, but the European spirit is like there's nothing else on earth like that.
	It is so strong.
	And they took Christianity and they bent it into something that was very much theirs.
	By the Renaissance, you essentially have a pagan version of Christianity showing up where they're doing all these like statues of David and Michelangelo, but they're doing it essentially as Greek Hellenism.
	Like Greek Hellenism has returned through Christianity.
	And this is also why an awful lot of people, right-wingers, celebrate it, because they actually don't realize that they're celebrating Hellenism and the experience of it because that's how it's just this weird irony of life, if you want to put it this way.
	But it was subverted, but we in some sense digested it and spat it back out with our soul imprinted on it and kind of merged the two things together in many ways.
	And that's an important thing to keep in mind is that we have the strength to do things like this.
	People like Carl Jung were very, very much like this.
	He was essentially like a Christian pagan and he liked Christianity because he believed that we owned it and we possessed it.
	Nietzsche was quite anti-Christian because he believed that we wanted to shed it off and go into something new.
	And I can see the perspective for both, you know, but it did begin as this transformation of a new world vision.
	Absolutely.
	Nagomatas for 50 says, I bet 50 shekels no one was chosen by a troubled God figure.
	I would not take that bet because I agree.
	And also for 60, John Garadas says, Judy.
	Oh, yeah, John Garadis for 60.
	Judaism is a mind virus that preys on its victims.
	Christian Bible wasn't written in Hebrew because it was targeting non-Jews, primarily targeting were women and slaves who had no rights.
	Well, what about Roman soldiers, too?
	The centurion was the top believer who had no rights in Roman society.
	Christianity sold them false hope and through these victims, Judaism triumphed over the Roman Empire.
	I agree.
	Well put, John Garratus.
	Do you want me to give thoughts on that?
	Yeah, yeah, if you have them.
	Again, another interesting question because this is absolutely true.
	Like you could view it as communism where the communism went to the dregs of society.
	Like the Bolsheviks go to all these alcoholics and people who don't have jobs and stuff like this and say, those fucking tsars and all these bourgeoisie motherfuckers in the middle class, they're laughing at you.
	They think they're better than you.
	Let's get them.
	Let's put us in power.
	There's more of you than there are of them so we can take them over.
	And it motivates them to overthrow the Russian Empire.
	And that's actually what happens.
	The flip side is, of course, that many of the people at the bottom of society have genuine grievances, you know?
	And many of the Bolsheviks and the Russians were earnest in the idea that there was a hierarchy in Russia that was exploitative and keeping some people down and keeping some people feeling bad.
	And so there's always two sides to the Story.
	What happened with Judaism, with Christianity and Rome is very similar.
	Like the Jews did have a really good reputation for things that we consider normal now, which is like charity and merciful behavior.
	The Romans comment, and this shows you in the Roman attitude, which is going to be hard for a lot of people to digest, but the Romans comment and say, oh, yeah, well, you know, these Jews, not only do they feed our poor people, but they feed their own poor people.
	What the hell is going on here?
	And it's this idea that they did, the Jews did build up a lot of goodwill in the Roman Empire doing little acts of charity and stuff like this.
	Now, the Romans weren't monsters.
	They had a concept of mercy and they had concepts of like taking care of people.
	They weren't, they weren't like animals, you know, as they're often presented.
	But the Jews were like particularly extreme like this.
	They're almost like a load of Bernie Sanders.
	You know, they really like represented these type of equalizing values.
	And it did then, of course, appeal to women and slaves and other Jews, I guess, if you want to put it this way.
	It appealed to people at the outside in the fringe.
	But of course, mixed up inside of this is also the bitterness and the resentment.
	Like you see now with the woke movement.
	You know, there's loads of people at the head of the woke movement who are doing it because they actually do have an animus against Western culture and they want to humiliate it and destroy it.
	And you can see lots of Jews participating in Judaism.
	Like, I don't think Ben Shapiro hates the West.
	I think he does genuinely just love Judaism and he's asserting it in this type of way.
	But then there's other ones who are like, you know, relishing at the mouth about the idea of finally getting the one up on Rome and conquering it and stuff like this.
	And so there's a blend of these two things.
	And there's a reason why these things happen in this type of way.
	Tell me if you could do pretty briefly, because I want to wrap it up here in the next few minutes, but the psychology of the belief in a scapegoat.
	What's your take on the scapegoat theology?
	So this is from René Girard in regards to Christianity.
	So Nietzsche presents in Genealogy of Morals this idea that Christianity is possessed with a slave morality, the perspective of the victim on the cross instead of the perspective of the conquering man who put him there.
	I want to think about it this way.
	The conquering man's values is to be strong and excellent and beat the victim.
	The victim's experience is to, you know, to be oppressed unfairly by this terrible conqueror.
	Now, Nietzsche puts out this idea that you can actually shift perspectives.
	You should be able to dynamically see different perspectives.
	He asserts this as a very valuable skill for a philosopher to do.
	And most people today still can't do this stuff.
	It's like, you know, I would consider it the gold standard of being able to think.
	Most people can't do it.
	Rene Girard is a brilliant Christian because Rene Girard listens to Nietzsche and doesn't get emotional and doesn't start to accuse him like you get a lot of people giving out shit to you.
	He doesn't do that.
	He says, fuck, this dude's making good points.
	And he listens to what Nietzsche is saying and he takes it seriously.
	But then Rene, obviously a Christian, tries to find the good in it.
	And he does come up with a very fascinating theory, which is the scapegoat theory.
	That what Christianity did, what Christ did specifically, like Rene believed it was God, God is not some monster, some tyrant like in the Old Testament who's trying to beat us into submission.
	God is in some sense like a teacher who's trying to evolve our consciousness.
	And God realized that if he showed up on a cross, not as the big, strong Messiah that took over the world, but instead as this pathetic, useless, dork loser who failed really embarrassingly in front of everybody.
	If he just appeared like this, that would actually shock everybody.
	And of course, the resurrection is a key part of this.
	So what God does is he manifests as a man and then he gets murdered in the most humiliating way and everybody denies him and all these terrible things happen.
	And then he rises from the dead and says, yo, I actually was God.
	There's the trick.
	Now, this does something quite fascinating because because he rose from the dead and showed that he was God, it's almost like he shocks all of us into realizing that we just kill the most perfect, beautiful thing in the world.
	So it's like we had a beautiful girl and we punched her face in a moment of rage.
	And then we looked at her and we were after destroying something beautiful.
	It's very horrible.
	Do you ever see the scene in Fight Club where the guy beats up the blonde guy because he's beautiful?
	It's that type of thing.
	And so what we've done is we've lost control of ourselves and expressed our rage upon something that's better than us because we're animals, because we're monsters.
	And why Christianity is so brilliant is because it forces us to confront that we do this, that we're not in control of ourselves, that we have these horrible instincts and that we will destroy God Himself, the highest beauty, beautiful things, because of our weak, our weak, because of our nastiness inside of ourselves.
	And the only way we can conquer that nastiness is by conquering it in ourselves.
	And so Christianity, by offering himself as a sacrifice, or what we shall say, a scapegoat, a punching bag, God is offering himself the most beautiful thing in the world as a scapegoat, allows us to take out all our negativity on people.
	And all of a sudden, we are exposed to what we're doing.
	The fact that we are monsters that take out our rage and our frustration and our suffering on others, creating this cycle of violence in the world.
	And so Christianity is a spiritual technology, as a psychological technology, awakens us to that process and allows us to be able to stop it.
	Very, very good read on the religion.
	I really like that one.
	See, the psychology of the scapegoat is completely different to me.
	I see it as a retelling of Yom Kippur and basically just the idea that God will atone your sins if you sacrifice an animal.
	So I see this vicarious atonement scapegoating something else as just psychologically away people aren't accountable for things that they've done.
	Or it's like it's a trap because the scapegoat is like a fake solution to a fake problem.
	To require a scapegoat, first you have to believe that you've done something wrong where you need a scapegoat.
	And then they provide it for you.
	And I feel like Christianity is very compelling and alluring to people that have a lot of guilt on their shoulders that have done bad things.
	And it's a way for them to forgive themselves for bad things that they've done.
	And but I feel like that's not helpful because you have to be forgiven not by God because of the blood sacrifice, but by the people that you hurt in the world is one.
	And also, like there's the psychological effect that if you believe in God, you've been baptized, you're saved, but you're a sinner and you can't help that you're a sinner.
	So you can just continue sinning, but as long as you say your Hail Marys or you, you know, double down and chant Christ as king a little more, that you're, it's okay.
	And it gives you a past to continue sinning in a lot of circumstances.
	What do you think of that?
	Look, I think you're correct.
	And I think there is maybe something to think about for yourself is that a novel of your thoughts there are developed, but I would say they're developed because you've evolved out of a, maybe you could say a Christian background.
	Not necessarily like you could get this from Buddhism or maybe from Greek philosophy, but your ability to be conscious that you don't need to participate in these irrational religious practices of guilt and sacrifice.
	Actually, you could say that Christianity was one of the first religions, maybe by Buddhism to start us in that direction because Christ was the final sacrifice.
	And a part of it was about showing the people that sacrifice is unnecessary.
	God has done the final sacrifice.
	You don't need it's almost like God in his trick with Jesus was trying to psychologically awaken man and allow us to become conscious and responsible as a consequence.
	It was like an act of shock to force us to use our free will to make us realize that we have free will.
	And we went through that experience with Christianity.
	And you could maybe say now that we've outgrown it.
	You know, we've outgrown the rituals of Catholicism.
	We've evolved past it.
	That's sort of, we went through this evolutionary process where we were confronted with the religion of ultimate guilt, for good or for bad.
	It took us out of the pagan master morality, but it forced us to confront different problems.
	And there's always good and bad things to everything.
	Nothing is binary.
	And so Christianity might have shackled us with this guilt.
	And that might have actually demoralized us.
	And it might have pulled us inside the matrix of the Jewish destiny.
	But at the same time, it happened to us and we've evolved as a consequence of this.
	And we've turned into modern Europeans and the way that we are now because of that stuff.
	And so you can sit there and say, all that stuff, like the scapegoat, irrational heralds to unconscious rituals of the past, only because we've struggled for 2,000 years to get out of that unconsciousness.
	And that's actually what happened in Europe is we had an enlightenment where lots of people had internalized Christianity so much and the moral story that they began to throw off all the revelations because revelations are actually one of the weakest parts of the religion.
	They began to cast all that stuff off and take the lessons from it.
	And that actually is what turned us into modern Europeans.
	And so now when you look at the modern European, like why is the woke movement so poignant?
	Why do people get so caught up with, you know, climate change, for example?
	Because it's these grand moral crusades.
	People actually like modern people, even atheists, are very responsible on standing on their own feet.
	They're very much able to take on that responsibility and sacrifice their ego and stuff like this because we've actually been evolved to do that.
	We've transformed over 2,000 years to become like those type of entities.
	And that's a great curse that turns us into these, you know, you see the modern European who hates, who's like, says colonialization was terrible.
	I'm such an immoral person.
	Climate change is good.
	I must sacrifice everything I have for this.
	That's the downside of this guilt.
	But the upside is that it gives us the potential to organize all of society towards these monumental goals that wouldn't have even been comprehensible 3,000 years ago.
	And so we found ourselves in this profound position where we've been through this experience and it sharpened us and sort of focused us and turned us into what we are.
	And I guess, like in Nietzsche's words, it's about affirming what it is, taking it and then continuing to move forward and using it to support life.
	John Garada says, 13 to 300.
	Thanks for the great thought-provoking stream, guys.
	Appreciate you, John.
	Liam T. Jarrett, two-part question, last question for you, and then we're going to close it out.
	Liam T. Jarrett says, to healthily, I don't know if that's a word, Liam, to break out of the Abrahamic worldview.
	Do you think we need a new myth that people need to believe was literal to believe in?
	And also from Ali Babas, Ali Abbas says, hi, Adam, what could be the best alternative to religion?
	Something that can fulfill our spiritual needs.
	That's it, spiritual needs.
	These are brilliant questions.
	And I think this is where the conversations like there's a lot of untapped, fertile ground in this area of the conversation.
	Like what would constitute moving forward?
	Like we're kind of stuck in this reactionary cycle with Christianity and Judaism, where people are bickering about, like, it's so weird, you know.
	We had the atheist movement and now people are showing up as Christians again.
	And you're stuck in this like just weird ping-pong table.
	And then you have somebody like Nietzsche saying that, like, what would be a complete break where we go forward without necessarily resenting Christianity as the cause of all our problems and Judaism is the cause of all our problems, but simply a part of our experience that we're now going to integrate and we're going to evolve past and go and build something new.
	And some people say, for example, we need a new myth.
	I hear that an awful lot.
	And I'm not sure that's necessarily true.
	I'm not sure if it works that way.
	Maybe it does.
	I think Mark Brahman and Richard, they really go that direction, you know.
	Now, again, I'm not sure I know.
	I think this is just open for conversation.
	But I think are you on Team Apollo or Team Odin?
	Is this the one?
	No.
	Here's the real question.
	Which old gods are you going to?
	I was talking to them about Carl Jung and the sort of post-Enlightenment perspective.
	And I think, oh, no, I might be a sinner in the realm of Apollo and Odin if I'm not too careful.
	I like them both.
	I like the way that they're thinking.
	I do actually like the sort of revitalization of the Germanic religions too.
	But I'm actually very modern in my thinking.
	Like I actually think that myths and revelations are not as necessary as we make it out to be because I don't think we think that way.
	Like if some guy came up to you and said, I had this dream, I don't think you'd fucking believe it to the point where you'd sacrifice your life for it.
	I just don't think moderns think that way anymore.
	And that's not really in our paradigm.
	We are much more pragmatic.
	We're actually very Roman is the way you want to say it because this is what the Romans were like.
	We're very grounded and down to earth.
	And I think the thing that would motivate us would be big projects.
	And this is a Nietzschean idea, like grand goals.
	So again, I look, I talk to my parents who are sort of like post-Christian liberal atheists and all this.
	And I'm always giving out to them and telling them, you know, you should go and go back to church and stuff with this, or maybe you should go and do something more conservative or whatever it is, because they like fell for the 2020 stuff and all this type of stuff.
	And I'm like, oh my God, what am I going to do with them?
	But I noticed that they still have that strong grand project instinct.
	They're big into like sustainability and climate change and things like this.
	And I realized that like within modern European people, they gravitate to that.
	They're not religious.
	Dad's big into history.
	He's very, very intelligent, knows a lot of history, but not religious.
	And mythological stuff is not really captures them.
	It doesn't capture the imagination.
	But this big idea of we in the West being able to solve these problems of destroying the world and saving nature, that actually captures them religiously.
	Like dad makes big decisions based on this sort of story.
	And if that could be taken and instead of moved in this pernicious way where everybody lives inside like, you know, a fucking wardrobe or something like this to something that affirms nature and affirms life and of course affirms European life, affirms European bio, bioculture, bio-DNA.
	A lot of things very easily go in that direction.
	And none of that stuff is irrational or anti-science or revelatory.
	A lot of that stuff is very much like adapted to our zeitgeist and our soul.
	And I think that would be a very, very valuable thing.
	But these thoughts are very fresh in my mind.
	So I don't want to like settle on them.
	But I think there's something to that.
	There's something to the affirmation of nature that's already inside many of the modern Europeans.
	But it's just kind of bent in the slightly anti-life direction, this nihilistic direction.
	And if it could be spun in a pro-life direction, it could be very, very compelling.
	Then I'm not sure you'd need, as I said, myths and things like this and the way that we think of it.
	Do you think that in order for like a religion to work or like a symbol to rally around a long-term goal, like you said.
	Do people have to believe in like something literally, like historically, like they do for Jesus?
	Will it work if, like, I know in the ancients, they didn't really believe that they were true, right?
	You talked about that in your video.
	They didn't think that they were truth or believed in them.
	It was just kind of like a ritual or something, right?
	Yeah.
	So, like, again, like the word religious is just so clunky here because religion is tied to this idea of world vision and world experience.
	And so, everything we do in some sense is wrapped up in religion.
	Religion could be understood almost as like rituals.
	People still get married outside of the confines of Christianity.
	Loads of atheists get married.
	It's not tethered to a sort of divine marriage.
	There's a big problem there.
	But, like, that institution perpetuates itself, despite the fact that many people are post-Christian.
	People still have funerals.
	People still fall in love.
	These processes of life still continue on.
	And as I said, like, people still believe in great projects.
	People still believe in things in the future.
	And I think it's more a question of like value judgments.
	This is what Nietzsche was talking about.
	Like, what is the things that we should be doing?
	And Nietzsche was very heavy on the idea of affirming life.
	We should be engaging with the world and trying to live in a direction that affirms life.
	I recommend people watch my video that says Nietzsche's Warning to Western Culture, because I articulate this much more clearly in that.
	Adam, you're having the screens have to go on black there.
	It's there.
	But I think a lot of people still understand religion through the confines of the Abrahamic revelations, where they think that religion is some type of like belief system.
	That this, you know, it's this book that you have to read or something like this.
	But it's not.
	Like the ancients didn't call religion religion.
	They called it tradition.
	The Wodanic religion was just called tradition.
	It wasn't a belief system.
	It wasn't a Bible.
	It wasn't a book.
	They didn't believe the gods were real in the sense that people believe Jesus and Yahweh are real.
	It was different, right?
	I think they did.
	I really think they did.
	But it's very difficult for us to get in our minds about what that means because they would have believed things like certain emotions and feelings was the presence of the God.
	And then some people hallucinate, you know, like think of it this way: the people who see aliens, you know, they have the encounter experiences.
	If they lived 400 years ago, they would have been saying, oh, I saw an angel.
	If they lived 5,000 years ago, they would have been saying, I saw the elves for Woden's elves or something like this.
	Like hallucinations, drug experiences, that actually does manifest characters in front of you.
	And you can hear voices in your head and your conscience can talk to you.
	You can have dreams.
	It's wrapped up with dreams.
	And people always saw characters inside of their dreams.
	And they would have thought that they're interacting with some type of force.
	I'm certain of it.
	But it's just not this idea that there was like a, you know, a historical god at one point.
	They probably would have thought that there's these like other dimensional forces talking to them, but they would have used different language.
	They just called it the gods, if you want to put it this way.
	So it's not literal in the way that we understand it, but it is literal in a different way.
	So I know that's maybe confusing, but this is the thing with we're so post-Christian that it's very difficult for us to see what the ancient world was like with clear eyes.
	And it's even more difficult for us to even interpret the modern world with clear eyes.
	That's how big of an effect these things have.
	And to truly throw off the shackles of the Jewish vision of the world involves us being able to actually break free from many of the kind of structures and the restriction of how we're forced to think about religion and ritual and morality.
	Like, you know, all these things are possessed by this world paradigm where it doesn't necessarily have to be that way.
	I think you described it in one of your videos, like Superman isn't literally real, but he is literally real.
	He does exist.
	Didn't you use that analogy?
	Or is that something that regarding the Ubermensch?
	Okay, yeah, maybe that's what it was.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, Uberman, it's.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	I was just going to say, like, I was talking earlier about the need for myths and the idea that great goals are maybe more valuable than myths.
	They are, in some sense, would turn into myths, but the Ubermensch is an example of Nietzsche proposing one of those.
	Like this idea that one of the great ills of our modern world is that push aside all this worry about political power and stuff because one of the greatest cultural ills is that everybody's becoming fat, sick, diseased, weak, demoralized, and they're turning into these sort of like useless people.
	Mediocrity is ruling.
	And the idea of like using modernity and science and all the power that we have to create the healthiest people possible.
	Imagine if Europeans had a good enough conscience that they wanted to win in reality enough, that they focused on making themselves as beautiful and as powerful and as successful as possible instead of sacrificing ourselves for the sake of lifting up minorities that we wronged in the past or all these people that we should feel guilty of.
	Think about that.
	How far would we pull ourselves forward in the evolutionary process?
	And so this is like a great project that Nietzsche was essentially suggesting that could be very, very powerful to motivate us in the future.
	And that's, I guess, something to think about as one of Nietzsche's theses.
	All right, Steph Uber Boyo, I appreciate you taking the time to join us once again.
	I enjoyed the conversation.
	You're doing excellent work over there.
	I'm really enjoying your videos.
	Everybody should sub Uber Boyo on YouTube and on Twitter.
	You got a unique view, unique style to your thumbnails here.
	Are these AI or you have an artist or something?
	A lot of these are AI, my man.
	A lot of these are AI.
	We go.
	We got our AI style lockdown.
	And so that's where we're pumping out.
	What style?
	What do you put in the prompt?
	So I have the artists do it.
	I have an artist who helps me with it.
	I don't know what he says exactly, but he's got something.
	I can send it on to you if you so wish.
	Looks kind of comic book, a little comic book style.
	Yes, yes, yes, yes.
	That's exactly it.
	We kind of go for slightly comic book-like and then see where it goes.
	Yours are more like sort of photorealistic.
	Bring us back to bring us back to the ancient world.
	Show us what's going on.
	Yeah, I do photorealistic.
	I also do Michelangelo for some of the painting ones, painting styles.
	But I really appreciate you coming on.
	I enjoyed the talk.
	Thank you, everybody in the chat, for the super chats today.
	Make sure to subscribe through Odyssey to help support the channel.
	Can't wait to see what you all have to see in the comments.
	Parting words for you, Uber Boyo?
	Anything you want to shout out or plug or parting words?
	Great conversation, you know, like, and really you're sitting down and you're just letting all these perspectives come out.
	And I really like that, you know, like it's really open-minded.
	You don't get emotional about anything.
	I'm sure you disagree with many of the things I say, but I do obviously see that you're sincere and you are actually somebody who's just really trying to like understand this stuff and diving into it.
	You do great work yourself.
	You've really like dug into these things and shown me things I've never done before.
	And it's always fascinating to check this out.
	So I guess I'd say if there's any boyos listening, definitely give Mr. No More News a follow, check him out, support him on Rumble.
	And yeah, great stuff, man.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	We'll have to talk again in a few months or so.
	And I'll be in touch with you on Twitter.
	So, all right.
	Thanks, everybody.
	Thanks, Uber Boyo.
	Everybody have a nice night.
	And I will see you again very soon.

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