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	Adam Green here with no more news.
	It is Tuesday, May 2nd, 2023.
	And today, discussing with my return guests, we're going to discuss, is Christianity a Jewish deception.
	Joining me today once again is Doctor in Philosophy, David Scarbina, Ph.D. He wrote the book, The Jesus Hoax.
	He's been on a few times.
	Last time I had internet issues, so we had to cut it short.
	And today we're going to do a follow-up.
	He wants to discuss Jewish ideas of dominion, theological conquest in the Old Testament, some of the gatekeepers that have incentive to keep this Jesus hoax theory suppressed, and alternatives to Christianity.
	So David, thanks for being back on with us.
	Yeah, hi, Adam.
	Thanks.
	Glad to be back.
	It's a great show you do here.
	Oh, thank you so much.
	And I wanted to talk about some other things, too, about the motive of Paul.
	And I watched a video the other day about how some people speculate that Paul was kind of like a proto-Kabbalist.
	So we'll get into that some too, because I think that that connects to everything we've been talking about.
	So if you guys didn't see the last video did, it would be a good intro, and we'll just kind of pick up where we left off.
	It was only about 30 minutes long.
	But you like my meme?
	You like my headline?
	The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.
	It's a Lenin quote.
	What do you think of that?
	Yeah, no, that's perfect.
	I mean, that's absolutely true, right?
	You want to, instead of just fighting against your enemies, you want to get right in there and work from the inside.
	That's been a time-tested way to succeed.
	So, yeah, no doubt about it.
	Like, is it really opposition to Judaism when you worship the God of Israel, believe the Hebrew Torah is the word of God, and you're following the Jewish Messiah when that was the whole intention for the Messiah all along was for the nations to put their hope in him and follow him and for him to bring judgment and obedience to them.
	A little too convenient, if you ask me.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, that's what all Christians do today, right?
	They're basically following right in the footsteps of Judaism, buying into the basic Jewish precepts.
	And yeah, you know, as I said, you're basically buying into a Jewish lie.
	It's a pretty striking and surprising story, actually.
	So this is where I wanted to pick up with you.
	In your book, Jesus Hoax, which I'm looking for, and I know I have it on my top shelf here.
	Oh, I let my friend borrow it.
	Never mind.
	I don't have it to hold up today.
	My friend wanted to read it after you were on last time.
	There you go.
	There it is, right?
	There it is.
	Jesus hoax available on Amazon.
	Very quick, short read, really important info.
	So the thesis is basically that Paul is a liar, which I'm open to.
	He says to a Jew, I'm a Jew, a Gentile, I'm a Gentile, and he always reiterates, I'm not lying.
	You know, like every good liar has to say all the time, I'm not lying.
	I promise this is the truth.
	But so I was commenting in a live chat on some mythicist channels.
	All the mythicists and historicists are having drama and debates.
	It's a highly contested issue, by the way.
	But I said, Paul is a liar, and his goal was to make the nations worship the God of Israel, make them the Gentiles, into a God-fearing, Noahide-compliant religion.
	And somebody commented and got me thinking.
	They said Paul was the idea that Paul could have been intentionally lying and he could have just been taking scripture out of context and coming up with some esoteric reading and selling it, selling the lie to the Gentiles.
	But it got me thinking, even if Paul was 100% sincere and he was just a zealot Jewish man, Pharisee, he could have sincerely, genuinely believed that Jesus was some mythical figure in heaven and that it was his role.
	He was chosen to go to the Gentiles and save them.
	He could have really thought that he was, quote, saving the Gentiles.
	But still, it's a deception.
	I would argue it's still a deception, even if he was completely 100% sincere and genuine, because if he was sincere, he believes in the Old Testament.
	And the Old Testament very clearly laid out that the nations are to worship the God of Israel.
	So if that's the template and the framework that you're working with, the goal is theological conquest and obedience.
	And once you control people religiously, you control them every which way.
	What do you think of that?
	Yeah, well, that's a good point, right?
	I mean, it's like saving people by making them your slaves, right?
	It's like saying, you know, in the old South, we saved those poor Africans from their nasty freedom over there in Africa by bringing them over to the plantations.
	And now we save them.
	We're really concerned about those guys.
	That's why we brought them over here just to kind of keep an eye on them and protect them and let them work for us.
	You know, we're really doing them a favor.
	So you're absolutely right.
	I mean, Paul was well educated.
	He knew all those prophecies.
	He really expected Jews to dominate the world, such as it was known at the time.
	And that was absolutely his goal.
	Any way you slice it, whether he was a deliberate liar or as you say, if he was somehow somehow bought into some mythological figure.
	I mean, it's still a pernicious deception to say, hey, you need to follow me and be sort of my slave and my lackey, and then everything will be just great.
	So I guess that's one point.
	The second point, of course, is we have to follow up the gospel writers.
	And so even if Paul was completely sincere, the gospel writers, those guys were flat-out fraudsters and liars because they created stories about an actual human who lived and walked on the earth and said things to physical people and did all those miracles and so forth.
	So, you know, Paul doesn't talk about the miracles.
	He kind of sets that aside.
	He's just talking about the core theology.
	But then if what you said was correct, then the burden for the major part of the hoax, I guess, shifts to the four gospel writers who are just inventing out of whole cloth, literally creating these things and passing them off as the truth.
	So they become chief elements in the Jesus hoax at that point.
	That's another thing, good point you brought up.
	In Paul's letters, it doesn't even make it clear that he says that Jesus was a preacher with a ministry on earth.
	There's hardly anything in there at all.
	So it's not Paul that's making this lie that there was a man, you know, the Son of God was walking around.
	It's more so the gospel writers that did this.
	And I've heard the argument that, you know, Mark is Pauline in nature.
	He probably had some of Paul's Letters, or he was aware of the Pauline school of Christianity.
	It's written a decade or around there after Paul died after 70 AD.
	And Mark's the first gospel.
	And I've heard the argument that Mark was clearly writing allegorical and that he intended his audience to know that he was writing allegorical, taking scriptures from the Old Testament and mixing it with pagan motifs and creating like a new prophecy-fulfilling allegorical fiction, and that it was only the people in the know that would know it was allegorical.
	And the rest of everybody, like the low IQ masses, would just take it literally.
	Right.
	But that is the lie.
	That is a lie to say that there was a guy on earth.
	Eventually, at some point, somebody, I don't think it was an accident or confusion.
	They said this is a real historical person, and you better believe he was a historical person, that he was killed by Pilate.
	Otherwise, you know, you're not saved.
	Well, that's right.
	Somebody at some point was either incredibly stupid or a deliberate liar because they turned this bogus story into truth.
	So you're right.
	I suppose, you know, if we really want to let the gospel writers off the hook, we can imagine that when they wrote the gospels, there was a cover page that said, this is a fictional story, by the way, and don't take this literally.
	And then we lost that cover page.
	And then all we have is the document itself.
	And somehow all we forgot the context and we just started believing this crazy nonsense.
	So, yeah, I suppose, you know, you could, in theory, you could say, yeah, all four gospels were somehow knowingly written as fiction, but I don't know.
	I guess I don't really see any real evidence for that offhand.
	Probably those guys, they knew what they were doing, and they were out there writing falsehood as truth.
	Probably Paul knew what he was doing, and he was deliberately working to undermine the masses to get back at the Romans.
	That was sort of the context of the hoax.
	We know that just because there's virtually zero evidence for a living, breathing Jesus who walked on the earth, you know, around the year 30 AD.
	No contemporaneous evidence, no documentation, no stories about the miracles from those times.
	All those things are made up, and yet they're talking as if those are true.
	So really, the best way to explain it is they were just outright liars, and they did that maliciously for their own ends, basically.
	I agree.
	I do think it was malicious, and I do think it was deception.
	I'm just saying, even for the sake of argument, hypothetically, even if Paul was sincere, even if the gospel writers, their original intent was this was allegorical and that people would know that.
	Even then, it's still a deception because the incentive and the motive that got them here in the first place is all of the prophecies of the Old Testament, which is the first thing you wanted to get into.
	And when you see that their goal was about conquering the nations, having all the nations like tremble in fear before their God, and then they accomplish that with Christianity, and then they brag about that they accomplished this with Christianity, it becomes pretty clear that it's a conspiracy from beginning to end.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, that was the long-term plan.
	These guys believed that for hundreds of years prior to the invention of the Jesus story.
	So that was baked into the Jewish ethos.
	Like I said, I think that's almost like it's become kind of a guiding principle of the Jewish people.
	It's kind of a Jewish supremacy.
	And they seem to think that they have this sort of God-given right to rule and dominate and to eat the wealth of nations, as it says, and just to sort of rule over the world.
	And yeah, if we're not paying attention and watching what's happening, then they're going to go a long way towards that end.
	And it's not going to be for our benefit, that's for sure.
	Yeah, people will dismiss this as an anti-quote, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, but there's no denying that they consider themselves chosen people of God above the nations, his holy people, the apple of his eye, his treasured possession.
	And he declared him his nation of priests.
	And there's no disputing their goal, their objective is to have all of the nations turn away from their idol worship, which is just their religions, their cultures, traditions, myths, gods, and then worship the God of Israel.
	Their whole goal.
	And then they go, oh, we're not trying to convert anybody, but our goal is to make you abandon your culture and worship our fake God, the God that chose us.
	Like, that right there, in a nutshell, is the nefarious conspiracy.
	Yeah, I mean, you're right.
	I mean, in a sense, they want to be worshipped as sort of, you know, God's emissaries on earth.
	I think maybe even in some sense, they probably don't really even care so much.
	I mean, that would be nice to be, I mean, if you got slaves, you'd like you'll have your slave worship you, but you just want a good slave.
	That's really all, that's really what you're looking for.
	So, I mean, some of them probably would like to be worshiped, probably just say, just shut up and be a good, a good passive slave and just do what we say, and then, you know, we'll be happy.
	So I can imagine it goes probably either way there.
	You know, it's so funny when I hear, you know, you've had debates with the Caesar's Messiah people, the ridiculous conspiracy that the Romans created Christianity to subdue the Messianic Jews.
	And they go, oh, but the New Testament, it's so pro-Roman.
	It's so pro-Momo.
	Is that why they blame the Romans for killing Jesus?
	Is that why they, it's very clear the Roman Emperor was the God that everybody was supposed to bow down to, and not the God of Israel, the God that they just conquered, and not the Torah Messiah that was meant to supplant kings of the nations.
	And this happened, and they still, people want to deny that this is their game set match.
	This was their goal, conquer the nations.
	Paul also said, oh, the Jews are the oracles of God, that they're entrusted with the prophecy of God.
	Allowing one group of people that think they're chosen to lead the nations and say to acknowledge, oh, you speak for God.
	You're the prophets.
	You're the nation of priests.
	Granting them that is granting them all the power in the world.
	And we can see how that's played out for them today with the Christian Zionism and the power of Israel and everything.
	Yeah, definitely.
	I mean, it's really, yeah, it's kind of a disgusting story, frankly.
	I mean, just the way that whole thing has been bought into.
	But I think you're right.
	I mean, we should take a minute and just kind of like review for people this whole idea of the chosenness and the dominion that the Jews think they have over the world, right, over the nations.
	And so I kind of, I made a nice little list here.
	You probably have some, you probably have these same ones, or maybe you can add to them as I'm going through, but I was just going to kind of hit some of the highlights that I've jotted down recently that kind of emphasize this.
	This is all in the Torah, right?
	The first five books of the Old Testament.
	And it is sort of there repeatedly, right?
	There's numerous passages, right?
	I mean, it starts Right in Genesis, for example, right?
	So I've got Genesis 12.
	God speaking to your descendants, I will give you this land, right?
	This land of Canaan or Palestine.
	In Genesis 17, 7, I will establish my covenant for you and your descendants throughout the generations, an everlasting covenant.
	I will give you all the land and everlasting possession.
	So God's making promises, right?
	He's giving things to the Jews.
	In Genesis 27, 29, let the peoples serve you and let nations bow down to you.
	So that's right, their first book, right?
	The nations, as we know, is kind of a kind of a euphemism for the Gentiles or the Goya, right?
	The non-Jews.
	So they're going to serve you, Jews, says God, and the nations are going to bow down to you.
	And that's all in the first book.
	In Exodus, right?
	Exodus 19:5.
	You Jews shall be my own possession among all the peoples.
	The earth is mine.
	You shall be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.
	Exodus 33, 16, we are distinct, they say, from all other people that are upon the face of the earth.
	So there's a very kind of exclusionary and, in fact, supremacy statement right there in Exodus, right?
	That we Jews are distinct.
	We're separate.
	We're special.
	We're better than everybody else, all the other people on the earth.
	That's right there in Exodus.
	Same thing we read in Numbers, Numbers 23, 9: The Hebrew tribe is a people dwelling alone, not reckoning itself among the nations.
	That's a very exclusionary and supremacist statement in Numbers.
	And then in Deuteronomy, it's got some nice statements.
	Deuteronomy 2:25, I will put the dread and the fear of you upon the peoples that are under the whole heaven, says God.
	They shall tremble and be in anguish because of you.
	Deuteronomy 6, 11, God is promising the Jews houses full of all good things which they did not fill, cisterns hewn out which they did not hew, and vineyards and olive trees which they did not plant.
	So God is going to give them things that other people have worked for.
	Deuteronomy 14, 2, Moses is recalling the words of God.
	This is the chosen part, right?
	The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession out of all the people on the face of the earth.
	And he repeats it again in Deuteronomy 14, 2.
	The Lord has chosen you to be a people for his own possession.
	So again, a very select view.
	And just to interrupt real quick, and the fact that Christians all affirm this and they corroborate this and they say, yes, you were chosen.
	You are God's chosen people.
	Granting them that is the greatest SIOP of all time.
	Conceding that, yeah, you are chosen by God, and we all worship the God that chose you, and we're the sloppy seconds.
	And if you didn't reject God, we wouldn't be grafted in.
	We wouldn't be washed in the blood, and we would go to hell forever if we don't worship the God and believe in all of your prophecies.
	And Christians are in denial that they don't see how bad they've been conned on this.
	Yeah, I mean, it's like insane.
	I mean, what's your basis for even thinking that God chose the Jews?
	And the answer is, well, look what's written there in the Old Testament.
	And that's, you know, it's in black and white.
	And I bought the book.
	And the book says the Jews who wrote the book, it says we're the chosen people.
	And Christians buy that story.
	I mean, it's just so absurd.
	I mean, it's unbelievable, right?
	Peak gullibility.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, you have no basis for that.
	You have clear and obvious self-interest in the writers who wrote that document that says we're the best, we're the greatest, we own the earth.
	God gave it to us.
	I mean, it's just absurd beyond belief.
	But that's pretty much, I mean, that kind of gives you a picture from the Torah.
	The first five books, the book of Isaiah, which is really very important here, has several kind of dominion, ruling the earth kind of passages.
	Just to mention a few of those, I won't go into a lot of detail.
	Particularly in the second portion, right?
	Isaiah is traditionally split into three portions.
	They're not sure.
	There's probably a combination of writers for the book of Isaiah.
	But starting in Isaiah 40, 40 through 60, we see a lot of dominion passages.
	So Isaiah 41, 11, those who strive against you, says God, shall be as nothing and shall perish.
	So God is promising that your opponents will sort of vanish.
	Isaiah 49, 23, kings shall be your foster fathers.
	With their faces to the ground, they shall bow down to you, the Jews, and lick the dust of your feet.
	So that's pretty nice.
	Lick the dust of their feet.
	That's what they want.
	That's what Christians are essentially doing, too.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	We'll go right along with that.
	Isaiah 65, the wealth of the nations shall come to you, says God.
	So be ready.
	Here it comes, right?
	The money's coming to you.
	Isaiah 60, 10, foreigners shall build your walls, their kings shall minister to you, that men may bring you the wealth of the nations.
	Isaiah 60, 16, a little bit later, you shall suck the milk of nations.
	I like that one.
	Just going to suck their milk, right?
	And then in Isaiah 61, 5, aliens shall stand and feed your flocks.
	Foreigners shall be your plowmen and vine dressers.
	You shall eat the wealth of the nations.
	So this is, you know, well embedded both in the Torah and then in the post-Torah prophecy, at least in Isaiah.
	You know, all good Jews understand these things.
	They feel like they're blessed.
	They're chosen.
	They're selected by God to rule among the nations, to eat the wealth, to collect the wealth of the nations.
	And that's their mission.
	Come, come, hell, or high water.
	That's what they're going to do here on this earth.
	Yeah, they think that's their destiny.
	And this is why Christianity is controlled opposition, because Christians won't condemn the Torah.
	All those verses right there, they rationalize them.
	They say, oh, well, those verses are about us, or that's the old covenant.
	Or my favorite one that they use is, it's not the Torah that's bad.
	The Torah is our book.
	The Torah is the word of God.
	It's only the Talmud that's the problem.
	It's only those Talmudic Jews.
	If the Jews follow the Torah, then there'd be no problem.
	You heard these verses.
	The Talmud is commentaries on the Torah.
	It's the oral law to the written law of the Torah, explaining and debating over what it means.
	So Christians are all Torah.
	It's elaborating.
	It's taking it for granted what it says in the Old Testament.
	It's saying, well, what does it actually mean in the real world?
	And they're giving real-life examples and so forth.
	That's what you see in the Talmud.
	It's just taking those basic precepts and putting them into practice.
	That's all that is.
	It's not a new, evil, evil kind of theology.
	It's just an elaboration of what's already there, those kind of passages that we just read.
	So Christians are Torah apologists.
	Instead of the whole world just going, you guys were never chosen.
	You're nonsense.
	Blood magic, genital mutilation, Abrahamic covenant.
	This is nonsense.
	This is ancient barbaric bullshit.
	Instead of saying that, the Christians go, oh, It's all true.
	And this is our book too now.
	So they're, and they want the same thing.
	They want a rabbi to rule the world.
	That's the end game of both rabbis and preachers.
	Yeah, I mean, it's a complete surrender, right?
	It's an intellectual surrender.
	It's a theological surrender to these ideas.
	I mean, it's contradictory.
	I mean, if you're believing in the New Testament, which supposedly revises and surpasses the Old Testament, then you should just take the Old Testament and just shred it or burn it and say, oh, look, at least we have this New Testament now, and then you've got a different set of problems, but you can at least ditch the old problems.
	But no, they don't do that.
	They keep the old, stupid problems from the Old Testament.
	They add a boatload of new stupid problems from the New Testament.
	And then they just have a bloody mess on their hands.
	I mean, it's unbelievable what people will accept here.
	Right.
	Another one from the Tanakh, the Hebrew Tadak, prophet Isaiah says, this is an important one.
	This is like the precursor to why they came up with the idea to take Christianity to the nations that says, behold, my servant in Isaiah 42, that's the Messiah.
	He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
	And it says, he shall not fail or be discouraged till he hath set judgment in the earth and the isles.
	So the islands, that's like the nations, the world shall wait for his law.
	So Paul reads verses like this and goes, oh, we need to take the law to the Gentiles.
	So even if he was sincere, he's following this blueprint, this script for world domination of a one-world religion.
	Like another one, Isaiah 45, look unto me and yet and be saved, like they're saved in Jesus, all the ends of the earth, for I am God and there is none else.
	This monotheistic, intolerant of other beliefs and faiths.
	Here's another one: The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of the Goyam, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
	So the whole conspiracy is laid out straight in the Old Testament.
	Straightforward reading.
	This is the way that the rabbis interpret it.
	And anybody that's saying the Torah is not a blueprint for world domination is a gatekeeper, an apologist, and an accomplice, in my opinion.
	Absolutely.
	It's just there in black and white.
	All you have to do is read it.
	It doesn't require a lot of interpretation.
	It's pretty clear.
	It's pretty blunt.
	And yeah, that's embedded in the Jewish ethos.
	I mean, that drives a lot of the Jewish mindset.
	That actually explains a lot of Jewish behavior, even to the present day, I think.
	Absolutely.
	And I could just go on and on.
	You went over some of these already, so we don't have to do all of them, but I could go on for an hour just showing verse after verse.
	And it's so funny.
	Like, you know, I'm trying to expose Christianity as a deception.
	And some of the excuses I hear from the Christians, they say, oh, Adam believes rabbis.
	Adam cites rabbis to prove that Jesus isn't real or Jesus is a deception.
	Or he uses, he shows verses from the Kabbalah and he believes what the rabbis say.
	No, I can just read the Old Testament, read the verses in the New Testament, and when they're referencing the Old Testament and read the chapter and look at the context, every time it's about conquering the Goyam, making them, it says that the Messiah will make them his footstools.
	He will rule with a rod in the land of thine enemies.
	He will reign over them.
	He will bring judgment and obedience to them.
	He will, you know, they will be, what does it say?
	Gather the nations, assemble the kingdoms to pour upon them mine indignation, for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
	And the Christians are just like willing slaves.
	Like, yes, we are your sheep.
	We are your servants.
	You know, God-fearers.
	That's the term that, oh, he's a God-fearing man, right?
	Oh, you fear the God of Israel and his chosen people.
	That's the end goal of that.
	Yeah, I mean, it's sort of crazy.
	In fact, I mean, that's a good point because the Old Testament is even more explicitly militant and domineering because the Messiah is supposed to be a kind of a militant, like a general, right?
	I mean, the kind of a ruler who's going to literally dominate the earth, much like the Roman Emperor did later in time.
	So that was kind of the striking shift.
	I think that's really what kind of shocked Paul and probably the gospel writers.
	They were expecting a kind of a Messiah, like a Roman emperor who's going to take charge and run the show and just be just a dominating leader that would destroy all enemies right here on earth.
	And when it turned out to be this guy in Rome who wasn't a Jew, they had to change their story.
	So now the Messiah is now a spiritual person, right?
	He's in a kind of an abstract concept, and he's here to save your soul, not your body.
	And he's going to rule in heaven, not here on earth.
	Or he's going to come back to earth someday in the indefinite future.
	We don't know when.
	And then he's going to rule here someday.
	Don't worry about that.
	So they really had to change their story, right?
	They had several hundred years of expecting a kind of a ruling earthly leader, like you were describing, a kind of a real militant general who was going to lead the Jews to a kind of global victory.
	And that didn't happen.
	So they had to change their strategy.
	That's really, I think, really what happened at that point.
	And just to bring it back to Paul and his lying, it could be lying, or this was just almost a normal practice that they did back then.
	They did like Midrash, where they're reading, they're coming up with new myths, esoteric mystical stories from the Old Testament scriptures.
	And this is what I see going on in Galatians 3.1, Paul writes, you foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you?
	Before your very eyes, Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
	And there's a problem with this, though, is that the Galatians, who he was writing to live in Turkey, hundreds of miles away.
	Or it would take hundreds of hours for them to walk to they didn't, the point I'm making, they didn't witness the crucifixion of Jesus.
	He says, before your very eyes, Christ was portrayed as crucified.
	Or if you want to read King James, it says hasbeth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you.
	He's not saying that they actually saw Jesus crucified because they're so far away.
	They weren't there to see it happen.
	The Gospels don't talk about a bunch of Jesus followers being around seeing him.
	What he's saying here is that it was portrayed to them from the scriptures.
	In other words, Paul opens up the scriptures and go, look, it says this here and this there and that there.
	And then he goes, this is all happening.
	You know, I saw this in a vision, in a revelation from the scriptures.
	And Paul even talks about his mystical experience where he's raised up to the third heaven.
	This is like proto-Kabbalah, Merkava mysticism, Ezekiel's chariot where they had ascension of Isaiah, right?
	How Isaiah gets brought up in the heavens and sees Jesus crucified.
	I think the whole thing started as a midrash, celestial Jesus figure that they later euhemerized and put into history.
	And that's a big step where it was a deception and where Paul took this to the Gentiles.
	That was obviously the innovation that turned it into a big deception also.
	Right.
	That's certainly, that's certainly a good possibility.
	You know, I've kind of suggested maybe there was an actual guy.
	Maybe there was a Jesus who was a rabbi, an actual person who lived and probably agitated and maybe caused some trouble and maybe did get crucified.
	We know virtually nothing.
	I mean, literally nothing about really what he said or did, but you can infer that maybe there was such a person that Paul used as the kernel of his hoax.
	And I've talked about that before here, right?
	So either it was a sheer construction, like you say, a purely abstract kind of concept, or there may have been a guy who played some very small role in this thing, utterly unknown person, entirely mortal guy, maybe who got crucified, and then they just built it from there.
	So I think the hoax story works either way.
	It's not clear which way that is.
	We'll probably never really know.
	But yeah, the important part, though, the important part though for people to understand is that either way, even if there was some Yeshua figure that was a preacher that had a small following and was killed, it's still a hoax the way they embellished and they exaggerated and they went to prophecy to try to justify that he was the Messiah.
	We talked about in the last stream that it is a little bit more of a deception if they completely fabricated him from whole cloth and less of like a cope after the fact that like, oh, our Messiah died and he was supposed to rule over everybody.
	So let's go look for the scriptures to argue and prove that he was the Messiah.
	But I think that they got the whole idea for the Messiah figure.
	You know, it's the other way around, that they got it inspiration from the scriptures, from Dead Sea Scrolls-like material, or from Philo and his logos, or from Gnostic groups.
	I feel like all of that was percolating.
	And all we really know about is Paul because they covered up and burned all the rest of the history there.
	Right, exactly.
	I mean, we're working with very partial information.
	So it's really hard to reconstruct what happened because you don't know what you lost, what's been destroyed, and what's lost to history.
	So yeah, I think there's a plausible argument that really could go either way there.
	So, yeah.
	I mean, but like I say, either way, it's just, you know, version A or version B of the hoax.
	I mean, there's a slightly different take, but it's still a monumental fraud in any way you slice it.
	You know, and when Paul says the gospel that he preached to you, he didn't receive from any man.
	He got it.
	He never knew Jesus, and he got it from Revelation and from Scripture.
	He says, how died Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.
	And he was buried and he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
	And there's a lot of dispute over what scripture says that he will raise after three days.
	He doesn't cite the actual scripture there, which is a little suspect.
	And let's see.
	All over.
	You know, the first page of Mark in the Gospels, the first sentence, it says, as the prophet Isaiah said, it makes it very clear that they're just taking old prophecies, creating new fake fulfilling prophecies with this Jesus story.
	And it's so funny.
	Christians go, well, the Bible's real and Jesus is real because he came and fulfilled all the prophecies.
	It's impossible for somebody to come and fulfill all of these prophecies.
	It's like, yeah, it is impossible.
	What's more likely?
	That they had all the prophecies and then just said, okay, prophecy there.
	Let's write that into the myth.
	Another one there.
	Okay, Jesus said that, did that to fulfill that?
	Fulfill this scripture.
	Somebody actually did this or they just made it up.
	What's more likely?
	Obviously, that they made it up.
	Yeah, it's a great little trick, right?
	We'll just make a prophecy from what we had in the past and what we know has already happened.
	And we'll just make everything line up nicely.
	And then it looks like a miracle.
	Wow, the prophecies actually happened.
	Well, that's that.
	Our ancestors have supernatural powers.
	We really do speak for God.
	And the Gentiles are like, oh, it's amazing.
	It's like a magic trick, an ancient magic trick, a wizard spell that they cast on all the Gentiles to get them to believe that they have supernatural powers.
	Yeah, and they just can't believe that these guys would have been hoaxers, you know, that they were just pulling one over their eyes and they did this for their own benefit, like, you know, hoaxers have been doing for centuries, and people just can't even entertain that option.
	I mean, that's what's striking to me, Adams, right?
	They won't even entertain that option, which is so obvious, at least I think to you, I mean, probably to any thinking person, that, hey, this is at least a viable hypothesis, probably the most viable hypothesis out there.
	But we won't even entertain it.
	We won't even let it go on the table to talk about it because it's just too troubling and it's too threatening and it's too imposing and we have no good answers.
	So we will just sweep that one right off the side.
	I mean, that's really striking.
	And the copes that they come up with, I'm telling you, I've been doing this for years.
	Nobody has any rational responses to the arguments you make.
	The Christians largely say, oh, you don't understand the scriptures or you believe the rabbis or they'll say, you're an antichrist, you're a secret Jew, blah, blah, blah, whatever they make up.
	And then the gatekeepers on the left or the secular academic types on YouTube, they'll say, oh, you can't attribute any nefarious motive to these people.
	And you're an anti-Semitic conspiracy.
	Because they're Jews.
	And therefore, by definition, you can't give any nefarious motive because they're Jews.
	And Jews are like the definition of benign benevolence and so forth.
	So that clearly can't be right.
	So we just won't even allow that discussion to go forward.
	It's really astonishing.
	It's almost like, I study, I read all these biblical scholars, their books.
	I see their interviews.
	I learn things from everybody.
	But then it's like nobody wants to put it all together and just call it what it is.
	And it's a big, fat Jewish hoax is the way I see it.
	And they just don't want to say that because the implications, the sensitivities around those things.
	Yeah, absolutely, right?
	I mean, you got academics who got jobs in universities, and so they're worried about what their peers and their deans and their donors to the universities are going to say.
	They're worried about that.
	Guys who are in the Jesus business who are there just to sell books.
	They're worried it's going to hurt their sales.
	So they got to keep an eye about that.
	Journalists working for media companies, they may have their own sort of Jewish managers or owners of their corporations who are not too keen on this particular story.
	So there's a lot of reasons out there why these guys just don't want to touch that one.
	Like I say, won't even entertain it.
	Won't debate it.
	I mean, they just want to wave of the hand and dismiss the whole thing.
	And it's, yeah, it's just ridiculous.
	You said also that you wanted to talk about the gatekeepers.
	I guess we're kind of getting that into now.
	You mentioned Rogan Shapiro.
	What are your thoughts on them and the Jesus question?
	Yeah, well, it's kind of striking, right?
	Like I say, maybe you even have a better insight into this than I do.
	But a lot of podcasters, alternative media on the left and on the right, somehow don't seem willing to even tackle this subject at all.
	And, you know, there's a I mean, there's some obvious kind of self-interested reasons, right?
	I mean, if you have, you know, Jewish podcasters out there who somehow feel that they have a personal equity in this story, which they shouldn't, I mean, we're talking about events 2,000 years ago about a handful of Jews back then.
	You know, there's no necessary connection to anything that's going on today, unless you're actively considering furthering the hoax and then you're sort of complicit even now.
	But I mean, there's no intrinsic connection.
	So even Jewish podcasters should have no qualms about talking about these issues.
	But as far as I know, I don't think they want to do it.
	I mean, you got guys like Rogan and Shapiro.
	You got Pollock at Breitbart.
	You got Ezra Levant at Rebel Media.
	You got Dennis Prager at PragerU.
	You know, these guys are really kind of, you know, seem to be working on behalf of the Jewish lobby from one side of the political spectrum or another.
	And as far as I know, they have no interest at all in raising or discussing any of these issues.
	I mean, it's really, it's really pretty striking what's going on.
	When their greatest cash cow is Christians in America, evangelical Christians, and they're getting money from them.
	And that's where Israel gets all their support is from the Christians around the world and mostly in America.
	Why would they want to ruin that?
	Why would they want to put that in jeopardy or even suggest that?
	And, you know, Ben Shapiro famously on Joe Rogan said, like, he thinks Jesus was something like a guy that got crucified by the Romans for his troubles or something like that.
	But he believes he existed.
	And they kind of like go along with the story a little bit.
	Or sometimes they'll also, Jews will like provoke Christians.
	They'll be like, yeah, we killed him, you know, or whatever.
	And that just provokes Christian anti-Semitism, getting mad at them for rejecting their Messiah, which discredits them, gives them their victim status.
	And it's the dumbest thing.
	If you're going to have a problem with Judaism and Jews, it should be the Torah in the verses we went over earlier today.
	Not that they rejected the Messiah that was meant to conquer us all along.
	Like that is the definition of a limited hangout grievance.
	Well, you're right.
	That's absolutely right.
	I mean, you got to get to the core issues, right?
	They're talking superficial circumstances of the story without talking about the context of the story, the motive of the story, and whether the story is even completely bogus or was a deliberate fraud.
	And you're debating the pros and the cons.
	It's like taking a fictional novel and dwelling on what character A said or did to character B and said and losing the whole track of, wait a minute, this is a fictional story.
	And it was made up.
	And it was made up for a reason, for whatever the reason the author had to do.
	So if you lose that backdrop, that larger context, you're missing the whole real story.
	You're debating nonsense.
	What character A really thought in this novel versus what character B thought.
	I mean, that's like stupid.
	Don't even waste your time about that.
	Talk about the larger context that's going on.
	That's really what matters.
	Exactly.
	The larger context.
	They're splitting hairs and arguing about insignificant differences, basically.
	We've got a super chat here from Snap Out of It.
	He says, Thank you so much for getting this information out.
	Appreciate you, Snap Out of it.
	Also, one from See Through It All.
	It's a Bible verse from Isaiah 2.3.
	It says, Many people, nations will come and say, Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob.
	He will teach us his ways so that we may walk in his paths.
	The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
	And that's a combo of Isaiah 2.3 and Micah 4.2.
	This is what I always say.
	The misnomer that you hear, right?
	He's an anti-Zionist Christian.
	You hear that term, right?
	As if they're really like opposed to them.
	There are two sides of the same coin.
	There is no such thing as an anti-Zionist Christian because every Christian believes in the prophecies of Zion and the God who dwells in Zion, the God who calls his holy mountain Zion.
	They believe the law must come forth from Zion.
	They believe it's through Jesus.
	Whatever.
	They're Zionists.
	They believe in Zion.
	They worship the God of Israel, the God of Zion.
	So.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Whether they think Jews should have all of Palestine or only half of Palestine, that doesn't really change anything substantial.
	They're still buying into the entire worldview, the entire theological story.
	They're worshiping a Jewish rabbi and Jesus.
	They're worshiping the Jewish God.
	So in that sense, they are theological Zionists, like you say.
	I mean, that's true for every Christian.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Right.
	Even with Jews, too, like there's the Neutra Carta Torah Jews that are supposedly anti-Zionist.
	They're always protesting with their signs and stuff.
	They're still Zionists.
	They just believe that the Messiah has to come.
	They believe in a different eschatology in the end times, that the Messiah has to come first and then build the temple and then they'll return in their triumph.
	So they're still Zionists.
	They're just got a difference on how the end times prophecies are supposed to go down.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Here's another one that I wanted to go over about where did Paul get the inspiration to go to the Gentiles?
	You know, it's funny.
	Jesus never told his people to go to the Gentiles, right?
	At least in the Gospels, he says, you know, only for the lost sheep of Israel.
	And then after he died, there was a great commission, but they wrote that in later.
	But verses like this, Romans 10, 20, as Isaiah boldly says, I was found.
	He gets everything from the scriptures.
	It's God, the Lord, speaking to him through the scriptures.
	I was found by those who did not seek me, and I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.
	So he reads a verse like that, and he goes, oh, that means that the Jews are supposed to reject the Messiah, Ben Joseph, and go to the Gentiles.
	That's Isaiah 65.
	I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me.
	I was found by those who did not seek me to a nation that did not call on my name.
	It was the Jews waiting for the Messiah, the king of the Jews.
	But from a verse like this, he goes, oh, it's supposed to go to the Gentiles.
	And then also in Hosea, I will call them my people who are not my people.
	So that's the Gentiles are not his people, but he will call them my people.
	And he's citing Hosea 2.23.
	I will say to those called not my people, you are my people.
	And, you know, I'm not doing anything drastic here calling Paul a liar.
	You know who else calls Paul a liar that all of these biblical studies people love to cite is Tovia Singer, Rabbi Tovia Singer.
	He points out how Paul completely Perverted the scriptures.
	He pulls them out of context.
	He twists the words in illegitimate ways.
	So that's what I see him doing as well.
	Well, that's right.
	I mean, I think any honest reading is going to see that.
	I mean, I think you're right.
	There are a few Jewish scholars who are willing to kind of condemn the fraud without actually sort of painting it in the proper context, of course, but they want to call out the individual passages and say, well, this is a defective reading or fraudulent reading.
	But yeah, they don't want to play that out to the end and see where that leads.
	Yeah, they say it's out of context, but then Rabbi Tobiasinger will blame.
	And a lot of there's Jews that do this very similar to Caesar's Messiah.
	They say that Paul was like a Gentile convert or that he was working for the Romans and that he was anti-Jewish, but he wasn't really a Pharisee.
	He was lying.
	They come up with all these conspiracies, which are more convoluted than what we're saying.
	Also, interesting enough, this isn't just a Christian idea.
	This is a Jewish idea.
	We have in the Talmud, Pessagem 87b, the same exact verse, Hosea 2.25, 223, 225.
	I will say to them that we're not my people.
	You are my people.
	Even those who were initially not my people, i.e., Gentiles, will convert and become part of the Jewish nation.
	So this is a Talmudic plan.
	This corroborates with the Talmudic plan also.
	Exile is to enable converts from the nations to join the Jewish people.
	And how did they do that?
	By imposing Torah Judaism on the nations with Christianity.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, it fits right in with the plan.
	They've got a plan to do that.
	It's been around, I don't know, with the date of the Talmudic passage, but probably at least a thousand years old, presumably.
	So it's a long-standing, long-standing plan.
	All the Talmudic stuff comes basically after the Christian, the Jesus hoax, right?
	So it's in light of that story.
	Not necessarily, because they had the oral law even before Christianity.
	So just because it wasn't written down doesn't mean that it didn't, that wasn't.
	That's true, right?
	So we don't know how long the oral history goes back, right?
	So all we have is kind of the written documentation.
	Paul claims he was a Pharisee, and so he would have known the oral law.
	So if that was one of the teachings, he could have got it from there.
	Or we don't know for sure, though, like you said.
	I just wanted to do one more, and then I'm really interested in what you have to say about alternatives because you're the philosopher.
	So you probably have better answers than me for what are we going to replace Christianity with, right?
	So here's one more.
	Isaiah 11:10.
	Oh, wait.
	And in that day, there shall be a root of Jesse.
	That's the Messiah, the Davidic Messiah.
	It comes from Jesse, his father, which will stand for a banner.
	Ensign means banner of the nations.
	To it shall the Gentiles seek.
	So they had the plan laid out that the nations would seek their Messiah.
	And shoot.
	I got this out of order.
	Paul cites this exact verse.
	And that we're talking about the rod of Zion, Psalms 110, 2.
	The rod of Zion, Jesus, that Paul cites to reign over the Gentiles will rule in the midst of thine enemies.
	Well, who's the enemies of the Jews?
	It was the Romans.
	And Jesus accomplished that by ruling, taking out the kings and the emperors of the Roman Empire and the pagan world and having them all worship the Jewish Messiah.
	Shoot, I don't know what happened to my Paul verse there.
	But he says, yeah, King James, he will reign over the nations with the iron, rule them with an iron scepter.
	Celebrate his rule with trembling.
	This is Psalms 2.
	You look at Psalms 2, Psalms 110, all over the Psalms, all over Isaiah, Zachariah, all these verses, and you can put together the whole foundation of the Jesus myth.
	Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
	They're drawing bits and pieces throughout the Old Testament to build that story.
	Here's another one.
	Genesis, it started all the way back in Genesis.
	The scepter will not depart from Judah.
	That's a Messiah.
	Scepter and rod, branch, root.
	These are all euphemisms for Messiah.
	The obedience of the gom shall be his.
	Wash his garments in wine, his robes and blood of grapes.
	That represents conquering them.
	Man, I can't believe I messed up my thing, and I don't see Psalms 22, which Psalms 22 starts with, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
	Which they put into the mouth of Jesus when he was on the cross.
	Also, like, this is all where they got Psalms 22 is what they quote mine to create the passion narrative, talking about piercing the hands and feet.
	They're all laughing in scorn.
	Jesus is despised by the people.
	And then Psalms 22, it says, All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn unto Yahweh, the God of Israel.
	And all of the nation, the Goyim shall bow down in worship before thee.
	So that's the purpose of Jesus, very clearly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, he's got to be an answer.
	We have to have an answer to the Roman Empire, right?
	Again, we always kind of keep that in context.
	The whole Jesus story, Christianity is always in context of a Roman Empire that took over power in Judea, threw the Jews out of power, oppressed them, and now they have to deal with this actual world power in light of their theology that's in the Old Testament.
	So that's, you know, we always got to keep that context in mind, and that's what they're fighting against.
	Some of them, like the Sicari, I fought physically against the Romans.
	That didn't really work.
	You just got yourself killed.
	So Paul takes this different route and gives a theological attack, drawing ideas from the Old Testament, and he's going to suck in the Gentiles and work it that way.
	It's a kind of a theological or intellectual attack.
	That's really what he's doing.
	It's such a good point that you make in the book that they couldn't win on the battlefield.
	That became very clear because the Roman Empire had the best military.
	They were always conquered by different empires.
	So they had a different approach.
	If they were too openly militant, they would have been crushed, like the Zakari and the terrorist rebels, basically.
	So they had a different approach.
	Psychological, theological warfare, religious propaganda.
	That's clearly what this is.
	When we see Romans 15, 12, Paul citing Isaiah, the root of Jesse shall rise to.
	I mean, is there any, who Can dispute that the purpose of Jesus is to reign over the Gentiles.
	That's the purpose.
	To reign over them, to accomplish the fulfill their prophecy of conquering the nations by reigning over them.
	And the only Christian response that I get to this is, well, he's the king of the world, so of course he's going to reign over us.
	It's like, okay, you're a slave.
	That's really what they say.
	You're a slave.
	Right.
	It's like the black saying, well, the plantain owner, man, he owns the plantation.
	Of course he's going to be in charge.
	What do you want us to do?
	Yeah, it's a slave mindset.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, Nietzsche said that 100 years ago, more than 100 years ago.
	It was a slave morality.
	It's a slave way of thinking to be enslaved to your overlords.
	That's really what's going on here.
	And the ultimate goal, the promise of eternal salvation, is basically groveling in heaven to the Jewish jealous deity for all of eternity.
	Doesn't that sound wonderful?
	What else can you aspire for than to grovel forever?
	It literally says.
	What'd you say?
	No, I'd love to spend the next million years doing that personally.
	That'd be wonderful, right?
	Groveling before a guy that will torture you forever if you don't do it.
	Because of free choice, that's your free choice.
	So Romans 15, 12 is citing Isaiah 11, 10, which you read Isaiah 11, 10 in the Orthodox Jewish Bible.
	It has in the context, to the Messiah, to Jesus will the Goyam seek.
	This is the plan all along.
	They didn't reject Jesus.
	He didn't come and fulfill all these prophecies.
	It's a story.
	They wrote a part two and sold it as a deception to the nations.
	It's so clear that's what happened.
	So did you want to comment on that or did you want me to continue on?
	Because now that we know this, what's next?
	People go, okay, Adam, we get it.
	Christianity is Jewish deception.
	What do we do?
	What do we replace it with?
	How do we convince these people?
	What's the alternative?
	What's your answer to that?
	Do you have one?
	Right.
	Well, right.
	I've got a couple pushbacks over the years myself where people are saying, well, look, we owe so much to the Christian story.
	And look at all the great things that came out of Europe, you know, as a Christian culture.
	And, yeah, you know, Jesus is this great sort of moral leader.
	And he's, you know, he's the right guy to, you know, to guide your life, to model your life by and so forth.
	I mean, so, yeah, that's.
	Which he's really not, actually.
	He's really not.
	There's tons of, there's tons of horrible verses that would be terrible to follow.
	It's like, oh, love your neighbor as yourself.
	Oh, we would have never came up with that without Jesus.
	In fact, that's a Talmudic saying.
	You know that?
	Rabbi Hillel, I think it was, which preceded Jesus, had the same love your enemy, but it was like in the positive instead of the negative way, or just reversed, inverted.
	Yeah.
	So, right.
	So people, you know, I've heard sort of pushback saying, well, you know, Christianity is responsible for sort of the great accomplishments of Europe, you know, and science and culture and art.
	And I'm thinking, well, that's total nonsense, right?
	I mean, you know, you've got great painters and great musicians and great writers.
	They were writing about what was the cultural ethos of the time.
	And it happened to be a Christian ethos.
	So they're writing in terms of Christian ideas and they're painting imagery.
	Michael Angelo's painting, you know, Christian figures and so forth, carvings from biblical stories.
	But that's just because that was the story of the time.
	You know, these guys were independent geniuses who would have been creative geniuses no matter what their ideology was.
	So in no sense does this owed to Christianity.
	In fact, it's probably in spite of Christianity that we had such greatness come out of the Renaissance in terms of culture, science, art, and so forth.
	But if you want to go for it today, so I hear people even today will say, well, look, we have to have a Jesus.
	What would happen?
	What would we do if there was no Jesus, right?
	It's like we have to believe the story because that's somehow our moral basis or something.
	They never really give you a good answer, right?
	But to me, that's a lot like talking to a child and saying, well, you have to be good because Santa Claus is here and he's going to bring you presents if you're good.
	And if he doesn't, you're going to get nothing.
	So, well, how else am I going to make my kids good if I don't keep up the Santa Claus story?
	Because that keeps my kids in line.
	And, you know, I think it's the same kind of argument.
	Well, we need to keep people in line.
	We need to, you know, promise them an eternal life because that sort of keeps them in line.
	But that's obviously ridiculous.
	Isn't this Plato's noble lie also?
	It's a little bit like a noble lie.
	It's like we know, like, yeah, I'm keeping up this hoax.
	I'm keeping up the Santa hoax just to keep little Billy from beating up his sister.
	And I'm going to keep the Jesus hoax alive just to try to keep the masses from slitting their throats or some kind of thing is what people are implying.
	But I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous, right?
	I mean, there's all kinds of, even in history, even prior to the time of Jesus, you can go back to the ancient Greeks as probably the best example, where you have independent rational bases to be ethical people, right?
	Independent theories about morality and ethics and how you should rule your life and how you should treat others and what counts as fairness and justice and so forth.
	Those are very ancient ideas.
	And people forever have dealt with those questions.
	And there's different ideas how to go about doing those things.
	But we have lots of examples to draw from that can be a guide for an ethical life and as an ethical person and as a guide to a culture and a nation even.
	I mean, we have examples.
	We have histories.
	We have ethical precepts from philosophy and from history.
	So we have no shortage of alternatives that don't require us to believe in theological characters, constructions, arbitrary figures, gods up in the sky, and all kinds of crazy sort of bizarre concepts.
	Jewish fairy tales.
	We don't need the Jewish fairy tales to come up with.
	You don't need anybody's fairy tales, right?
	I mean, you can, you know, the Greeks, you know, Plato and Socrates, you know, created, were instrumental in creating an incredibly successful culture in ancient Athens.
	And they did it just on purely an intellectual and a secular basis, right?
	I mean, they sort of, you know, loosely believed in the gods.
	They had kind of all these stories about sort of the gods up there and, you know, Zeus and Apollo and Hera.
	And there were kind of, those are sort of cute little stories, but they didn't actually drive your ethics and your morality.
	The philosophers have real, tangible, concrete reasons why you should sort of, you know, collaborate and cooperate and, you know, not be mean to people and, you know, respect your parents.
	I mean, these are really very obvious and elementary ethical principles that have been around for millennia.
	And there's in no sense do you need anything like a fake story to give weight to ethical ideas.
	I mean, these have been around.
	They have independent justifications, like I say, for centuries and for thousands of years.
	So we're only doing harm to people by laying over our ethics with these bogus Fairy tale stories that any rational, intelligent person knows is not true.
	It's like you can't raise your children their whole life to be nice because of Santa's going to bring them presents on Christmas.
	You can't raise the child their whole life and expect that to turn out well.
	I mean, that's raising your kid under a lie, you know, for their entire life.
	That can't possibly go well.
	You're going to get blowback and consequences, and the kids going to revolt when they find out they've been lied to.
	I mean, that's really what should happen here.
	People should be mad as hell.
	They should be pissed off saying, look, I've been lied to by the media, by my teachers, by my parents, maybe unwittingly, but I've been lied to.
	What the hell's going on?
	I need another story.
	I need to ditch this bogus, you know, mythological theology and get back to something that's real that I can base my life on that makes sense.
	I mean, that's what people should be doing.
	They should be mad as hell.
	It's even so much worse than Santa Claus, too, because the idea of Santa Claus, you know, you'll get a good present or you'll get coal if you're bad.
	But with Christianity, it's like, well, you can be bad, but as long as you believe in the magic Jewish blood, then you can be forgiven.
	So it almost gets you like, you know, no accountability.
	You can get away with murder, essentially.
	And the idea that without Moses going up on Mount Sinai and the Exodus and the God of Israel to give us the Bible, we wouldn't have any morals.
	There would be no morals.
	We wouldn't know that it's wrong to lie, cheat, steal, kill without the Bible to tell us so.
	It's degrading, for one, that we couldn't know that without them.
	And also, it's degrading because this is what rabbis believe.
	This is their duty is to teach morals and ethical monotheism, that's the term they use, to the nations.
	Otherwise, we'll just be a bunch of heathen barbarians.
	We need them to heal the world and to show us the way.
	It's preposterous, and I'm not going to fall for that.
	Also, you hear Christians say, like, oh, Christianity built the West.
	We wouldn't have a civilization without Christianity.
	No, it conquered the West, and we were somewhat successful in spite of it.
	They go, look at the buildings.
	We would never have buildings if they weren't inspired by God.
	You know, there were architects that had nothing to do with the Bible.
	Yeah, they were built by Christian money, but that's because there was no other money.
	They dominated everything.
	They were like dictators, basically.
	So there was nobody else around to build it.
	Not to mention all of the great architecture pre-Christian, the Greeks and the Romans and Egyptians, everything.
	All of their arguments fall completely flat.
	I have not heard any good arguments to any of the stuff that we've been saying around here.
	No, exactly.
	Right.
	I mean, you can point to, you know, like I said, the cultural intellectual accomplishments of ancient Greece.
	I mean, it's, you know, it's the model for everything that comes afterwards, right?
	I mean, they even talk about how Christianity is modeled on Platonism, right?
	So there was these ideas have been around for much longer than the time of the supposed time of Jesus, right?
	And, you know, one thing I do, you know, I try to try to visit Athens whenever I can.
	It's just, you know, just amazing to go to the ruins of the Acropolis and the Agora, you know, to stand there in front of the Parthenon and to see what those guys conceived and constructed, you know, in 500 BC with no tools to speak of of any kind,
	short of hammer and a chisel and, you know, pulleys and ramps and levers, you know, really basic kind of things, to see what they were able to envision and to realize, having nothing whatsoever to do with, you know, Christianity, Jesus, the Jews, nothing.
	I mean, it shows you that we can do that.
	You know, that could be done back then.
	We could do 10 or 100 times better if we were freed from these destructive ideologies, these delusions that we allow to go unchallenged in modern culture.
	Absolutely.
	You know, speaking of the Greeks, it got me thinking of this verse from Paul in 1 Corinthians.
	He says, For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
	Here it is.
	Jews demand signs of what?
	The Messiah?
	And Greeks search for wisdom.
	How dare they?
	Wisdom.
	Earthly wisdom is evil according to the New Testament.
	But we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles.
	Why would Paul say if Jews demanded signs, miracles, signs of the Messiah, why wouldn't he just point to all of the miracles and stories of Jesus?
	Unless nobody would know who Jesus was if it weren't for preachers like Paul teaching them what he, you know, what he, the visions he had or the dreams he had from reading all these scriptures.
	Yeah, you're actually right.
	That's a very key passage in 1 Corinthians that you're reading there.
	So, I mean, yeah, it's very clear, right?
	We want, you know, Paul doesn't know about the miracles because the miracles were written in the gospels, which came after Paul died.
	So he can't cite any specific miracles.
	He just says Jews like to see signs.
	He says, you know, we need to just believe.
	We, you know, preaching foolishness to the believers, you know, and wisdom is evil because that makes you think and challenge and question things.
	And we certainly don't want that.
	We don't want to be like those nasty Greeks who are using their minds to think independently and to think critically.
	We don't want that.
	That would be evil.
	So yeah, you just need to shut up and believe.
	And just that's that's part that's part of the story, right?
	That's what he's got to say.
	And faith, in fact, it's more of a virtue to have faith without seeing evidence, as we get from the doubting Thomas story.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I hear that a lot, right?
	They consider it's like, it's like, yeah, it's a virtue to be stupid and just believe something rather than to think critically about it.
	I mean, that's, that's, I mean, there's really no answer.
	That's a little closed loop, right?
	I'm, I'm not going to think, and therefore that's the best thing because thinking would, you know, be something less than less than ideal.
	There's just, that's just sort of a closed-loop stupidity, of which there's really no answer to that.
	Okay, if you want to sort of, you know, just justify everything on the basis of pure belief or something that you just read without thinking about it, that there's like no hope.
	You know, that's where we're at.
	Yeah, there's a verse on worldly wisdom.
	Let's see if it comes up.
	It talks about wisdom of this world is foolishness before God.
	That's 1 Corinthians 3.19.
	So knowing stuff about the world, that's foolishness.
	All you need to do is just trust in the Jewish fairy tales.
	Then you'll be saved.
	Exactly.
	I mean, it couldn't be clearer.
	He's laying it right out there.
	He's telling his people, hey, don't get into intellectual arguments.
	Just threaten them, bribe them, coerce them, and get them to believe in.
	That's what we want.
	Here's a nice one from James, too.
	The wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, and demonic.
	Demonic wisdom.
	That's what they call science.
	That's what they call philosophy.
	You just need to just believe in the Hebrew Torah, and then all your answers, you'll have them all.
	We got a big super chat here from, and guys, we got 15 more minutes.
	So if you have any questions, it's funny, there's no Christians that show up here and ask any tough questions.
	They don't have any answers to anything we're saying.
	Snap out of it.
	Thank you so much.
	Says, given that there is so much information to debunk this religion, what would be some key points you would use if you only had a few minutes to try to wake people up to the fact it's all nonsense?
	Thank you both so much.
	What would you say?
	You just meet somebody on an elevator, you got 30 seconds.
	What's the first thing you would say about how Christianity is a hoax?
	Yeah, that's a good, that's a good question, right?
	You got the super short version.
	You know, I don't know what probably one of the little tidbits that really struck me back early in this process was, you know, you've got a story which has no contemporary evidence.
	The gospels were written decades later, which even the Christians agree.
	And it's impossible that these miracle stories could have happened with no one saying or documenting anything at the time.
	Only 30, 40, 50, 60 years later, does somebody come up with the idea that these miracles happened.
	I mean, just the mismatch, right?
	Between the fact that there's no contemporaneous evidence, decades later, they tell us that these miracles happened.
	We have no reason to think they ever actually did.
	We have lots of reasons to think they didn't.
	I don't know.
	Maybe that's a kind of a short little story.
	That's good.
	That's about what I would say.
	Yeah.
	I saw a good comment, Super Chat from See Through It All says he's quoting from the Talmud, Shabbat 32b: 2,800 servants will serve him in the world to come.
	On each corner of the Jewish person's garment with ritual fringes, 10 people from each of the 70 nations will take hold.
	That totals 700 people on each corner, 2,800 people altogether.
	And this is from Zechariah 8:23.
	It's the prophecy about all the Gentiles following them and saying, oh, we heard the Lord is with you.
	And that's their endgame: the wealth flowing into Zion, everybody worshiping the God of Zion.
	That's it.
	What I would say in a 30-second, and I've said this in my debates, is that Christians say the Old Testament's real because the New Testament proves it.
	And the New Testament's real because it was predicted in the Old Testament.
	It's circular logic.
	I would say, what's more likely that all of these prophecies and all these magical miracles happened or that somebody made it up?
	What's more likely?
	As simple as that.
	We know that the miracles and laws of nature are never violated.
	We have no concrete examples of that.
	But we know people write myths and make up and lie all the time.
	So what's more likely?
	And the whole purpose of the lie is you can see from the objective of the Old Testament is to get all the nations to worship the God of Israel, to abandon their idol worship.
	They accomplished that with Christianity.
	They brag about that today.
	And now they're marching us towards their self-fulfilling end times objective of the Bible.
	That's what I would say.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, that's really what's going on.
	It's yeah.
	Are you a University of Michigan professor or alumni?
	Former, former instructor there for many years.
	Duvid, my Jewish friend who's been on the show several times, is also went to University of Michigan.
	We got another one here.
	And let's get back to alternatives.
	So basically, the alternative is we just don't need these, we don't need these fairy tales.
	We can come up.
	I mean, we already function in a world where it is largely secular.
	So it wouldn't be that like without the fear of God, everybody would just go murder everybody.
	No, you have laws.
	You will actually have a punishment in this world.
	You'll go to jail as opposed to the fear that you'll go to hell in the afterlife or the promise of eternal salvation.
	But this is what I hear people, one of the top arguments I get is people won't have any hope.
	They'll be nihilistic without Jesus to save us or how will we ever get out of this situation?
	You know, the world is crumbling.
	If Jesus doesn't come and save us, we have no hope.
	This is the type of stuff I hear.
	Yeah, that's ridiculous.
	I mean, right, people for countless centuries and in countless other cultures have managed to live virtuous and quality lives without sort of believing that they personally and individually were going to be saved by some deity after they die.
	I don't know if it's, I mean, everybody sort of has some kind of apprehension about death.
	That's probably a universal quality.
	So we shouldn't be surprised there.
	And people have various cultural stories, right?
	Because they want to sort of alleviate this sort of kind of the tension.
	Of course, pretty much nobody wants to die.
	You know, you want to sort of carry on living as long as you can, but people understand that that's what's going to happen.
	But yeah, there's no reason to construct a sort of a bogus ideology and then sort of force that onto people.
	I'm just thinking, even like Socrates is a great example, right?
	And when he was about to die and in the apology, and when he got the death sentence, and his friends in the courtroom where he was given this were sort of, you know, they were shocked and they were moaning and wailing and they were crying.
	And Socrates says, wait a minute.
	What makes you think that death is a bad thing?
	He says, I think death is actually probably a good thing.
	He says, death is one of two possibilities.
	Either it's going to a place where everybody goes after you die, or it's like a nothingness and then it's like a sleep, like a good night's sleep.
	Like when you have a really great night's sleep and you're just conk right out, you know, well, that's okay, too.
	If you go to where those other people are, then everybody's going to be there, right?
	All the great thinkers and heroes of the past.
	And he says, the great philosophers, and I'm going to talk to them, and I'm going to challenge them and question them.
	So Socrates says, I'm actually kind of looking forward to death.
	Either it's like a great night's sleep, and it'll just go on for whatever, or, you know, or I'm going to another place and I'd really, really like to talk to those guys and question and challenge those people there.
	So, I mean, there's, you know, there's really interesting, fascinating stories that, you know, that's kind of a very rational way to approach the question of death.
	I don't need to pray to some God, you know, to save me and take me to some fancy heaven just to kind of get me through my life.
	There's, you know, many other viable, realistic, rational options to think about how you're going to live a life that's going to be actually a better life, a higher quality life, and you're not going to get let, you know, fairy tales and their purveyors.
	You're not going to let them run rampant in your culture.
	So that's, there's a big difference There, yeah, they use the fear of death as mind control.
	It's fear-based mind control.
	And people, if you can't deal with reality, you need comforting Jewish lies to deal with reality.
	They're going to prey on you if you're susceptible to that type of thing.
	And I think that's what we see playing out on a grand scale, the grand deception.
	This is how much of a deception it is, too.
	One more I wanted to show from Psalms 110.
	This is all referring to Jesus, okay?
	No Christian will say this is not Jesus.
	It's the Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at my right hand.
	Jesus quotes this verse several in the Gospels, by the way, linking this, showing you.
	So Jesus quotes this to justify that he's God, basically.
	It says, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
	Who's the enemy of the Jews?
	The Greco-Roman world, the nations.
	The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength, the Messiah, out of Zion, and rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
	Who does Jesus rule over?
	The Gentiles.
	That's the enemies of the Jews.
	And then it says, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
	Jesus is the Melchizedekian high priest.
	As in Hebrews, it likens him to Melchizedek over and over again.
	And I think Paul had access to the Qumran scrolls.
	There's the Melchizedek scroll there that is doing the same thing, connecting Daniel 9 in the timetable in the Jubilee to when the Messiah is going to come.
	Saying that it's written about in the Psalms.
	That's why they go and look through all the Psalms for this stuff.
	Also, Isaiah 52 is in that verse also.
	This is a pre-Christian book.
	And I'm reading a book, Uncovering the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	I think it's by Eisenman, the top guy to publish all the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	And he says, in the book, it says, a lot of Jewish and Christian authors, because of their bias, cannot admit that this is like a pre-Christian tradition, pre-Christian and pre-Kabbalist tradition.
	It kind of morphed into both.
	So Jesus is the Melchizedek figure that's ruling in the land of thine enemies, making them his footstool.
	He will with his right hand strike through the kings in his day of wrath.
	Jesus conquered all the kings, right?
	The Gentile kings.
	He shall judge among the heathen, the goem.
	He shall fill the places with dead bodies.
	He shall wound the heads over many countries.
	This is the purpose of Jesus.
	How much more obvious does it have to get?
	Yeah, no, you're right.
	It's all there in black and white.
	You just got to read it, know where to read it, and just uh-oh.
	We dropped again.
	And just for the Christians, the Christians never address any of this stuff, too.
	They just make up delusional conspiracies that I'm a mosad agent, I'm a secret Jew.
	That's how little they have.
	That's how baseless their responses are.
	That's how pathetic they are.
	That's how brainwashed and gullible they are.
	1 Corinthians from Paul once again.
	Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God, the Father, Jesus, after he has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power.
	That's not anti-Roman, is it?
	Dr. Scurbina?
	Uh-oh.
	Damn it.
	Frozen again.
	Oh, no, he lost you.
	Destroyed all dominion, authority, and power, for he must reign until he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
	Unfortunately, we had internet problems once again, tech issues.
	Already got in a call for an appointment to the internet company.
	I think I need a new router.
	I'm having weird intermittent outages.
	So apologies to everybody and apologies to my guest, Dr. Scurbina.
	I asked him for a little closing statement.
	You'll see that here in a second.
	I just want to say that this is really a rare opportunity because you are willing to entertain these options in a serious way.
	So that's really a bright spot in the internet, which is really kind of has a lot of obfuscation and a lot of red herrings out there that really want to send people off on bad, wrong, wrong trails, you know.
	So it's nice that you're willing to get down to the nuts and bolts and really ask the tough questions.
	So you're to be congratulated on that one.
	Yeah, again, the basic stories outlined in my book, The Jesus Hoax.
	There's a basic website called JesusHoax.com.
	All of my material is at my personal website, davidscurbina.com.
	And you can find links there.
	The book Jesus Hoax is still available on Amazon, as far as I know.
	They haven't gotten around to banning it yet.
	So I think that's still out there.
	And yeah, check my website and just check some of my other stuff that I've been working on.
	I cover a lot of bases.
	Religion and Christianity is only one of them, but it's an interesting and important topic.
	And I'm always happy to discuss this whenever you're free.
	Everybody, make sure to check out his book, The Jesus Hoax, available on Amazon and the link below.
	I'll have to have him back on within the next few months to expand more on the Jesus hoax that we discussed today.
	And special thanks to everybody for the donations and the super chats today, as well as the monthly subscriptions through Odyssey.
	That is the best way to support my work because I wouldn't be able to do this without you guys.
	A couple dollars a month helps keep me to make videos and be able to dedicate all the time to doing this.
	So I appreciate you all.
	Can't wait to see what you guys have to say in the comments.
	Anybody that wants to debate myself or Scurbina on this issue, if you are a serious opponent, we will do that.
	And by serious, I mean you're willing to actually address the information and not just make up delusional conspiracies and ad hominems to dismiss what we're saying.
	We need to schedule some new debates soon.
	So look forward to that.
	Let me know, and I will see you guys again very soon.

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