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Is Islam a Jewish Deception? A Muslim Kevin Barrett Responds | Know More News LIVE w/ Adam Green
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to No More News Live.
I am your host, Adam Green.
Thank you for joining me today, Monday, August 22nd, 2022.
Got a jam-packed show for you guys today.
Joining me is Dr. Kevin Barrett.
He had me on his show, False Flag Weekly News, a couple weeks ago to discuss some of my recent work about the Abrahamic conspiracy.
We discussed this video I put out a couple weeks ago, and then he followed it up with a blog which made its way onto the UNS review.
So we're going to be discussing that.
He is a former professor, and I've been watching him for many years on the topics of false flags and 9-11 truth and Zionist power and other things.
He is a Muslim, so he will be bringing the Muslim perspective to this discussion on the Bible and the Abrahamic faiths.
Thank you for being here, Dr. Kevin Barrett.
Hey, it's good to be back with you, Adam.
Yes, I've always appreciated you for always having the courage to have me on to discuss my controversial ideas and information.
So you just had me on a couple weeks ago.
We had a really good talk.
People can see the first talk for themselves.
I believe you have it linked here in the UNS review article.
And I'm just curious because so many of the comments here were similar to what you said to me in the show.
Did you have this stuff written beforehand or did you write this after our talk?
Well, I partially transcribed the talk, and so I used some of that in the write-up, as I recall.
Oh, okay.
That makes sense then.
You did tell me when we were discussing this idea.
You said, do you have anything written?
Where can I read something about this?
You said you like to have things in written form.
And I said, oh, I usually do videos and presentations.
So we're going to make the best of both worlds, I guess, today.
Yeah, well, you know, actually, transcribing some of these talks is probably not a bad idea because sometimes some really good stuff gets said, and it's easier to subject it to critical reflection if it's just sitting there visually on a page somewhere where you can go back at it and kind of chew it over.
So that's one reason that I'm kind of print-oriented.
But, you know, everybody's got a different way of learning.
All right.
Well, let's get into the main topic now, the Abrahamic conspiracy, your blog here.
I've got some of your thoughts on it highlighted and I wanted to discuss further.
First, I want to ask, though, I'm curious, you're Muslim.
You don't see too many.
Usually you think of Muslims, you think of Arabs, but you're a white, what are you, Irish background?
I'm not sure.
White Muslim.
When did you become a Muslim?
Were you raised religious or Christian?
And what made you become a Muslim?
Well, first let me correct you and point out that a very small fraction of the world's Muslims are Arab.
There are maybe two.
Maybe it's, it used to be two.
When I last checked, it was like 200 million Arabs in the world and 1.8 billion Muslims.
So that's eight out of every nine Muslims are not Arab.
They're Indonesian, right?
That's most of the billions is Indonesians.
Well, they're the single largest Muslim-majority population in a Muslim-majority country, although there are actually more Muslims in India than in Indonesia.
There are large numbers of Muslims in Eastern Europe, sub-Saharan Africa, and especially right across the belt of sort of the Belt and Road Initiative part of the world.
That is that kind of middle part of the world where the old Silk Road was.
So, yeah, we're basically all ethnic groups on earth.
They're Native American Muslims.
Islam is starting to spread in Latin America.
And so it's really not something that you can associate with any particular racial or ethnic group.
And I suppose as an Irish-German- There's not a lot of white Muslims, though.
That's true.
Right?
Well, no, there are quite a few white Muslims from Eastern Europe, actually.
And then there are some folks.
For instance, my wife is Moroccan, and one of her brothers looks a lot like you, Adam.
In other words, blonde, and he could pass for a Viking.
And that's probably because that there have been plenty of people from the north who made it down to the Mediterranean in the past and mixed in with local populations.
So the Muslim Muslim world does tend to be a little more mixed than non-Muslim parts of the world because there's been so much trade and cultural exchange between these different Muslim parts of the world.
But at the same time, there are lots of Muslims of this or that or the other ethnic group.
Practically all ethnic groups on earth have some Muslims.
And were you raised religious?
And when did you become Muslim?
I was raised as a lapsed Unitarian, which is as lapsed as it gets.
My parents dragged me to the Frank Lloyd Wright Unitarian Church maybe two or three times when I was a kid, but they're very secular, materialist-oriented.
But I had some spiritual psychic experiences when I was young and knew that the world is, actually, I was able to directly experience as well as intuit that the material space-time part of the world is just an epiphenomenon and a manifestation of a deeper reality, which we could call the platonic forms, or we ultimately it's all coming out of the Godhead, right?
So, anyway, I kind of could get some of that directly when I was young.
And so I started practicing different forms of meditation and things like that.
And then when I was, what was it, like 30, mid-30s-ish, I ended up coming to Islam after encountering the thought of the traditionalists.
René Guanon, who founded the traditionalist movement, was a traditional Muslim and lived after he, you know, he woke up to the travesty of modernity and the truth of traditional religions.
He saw that Islam was the best preserved of all the traditional past for the rest of his life as a traditional Muslim.
Okay, so traditional Muslim raised Unitarian.
So Unitarians is like a sect of Christianity that believes that Jesus is not God, right?
Because that would violate the oneness of God.
Exactly.
They're theologically, essentially, identical with Islam.
So it wasn't that much of a drastic change.
And like the Unitarian and Jehovah Witnesses sects, they don't believe that Jesus is divine, which actually makes them more Noahide compliant because the main idol worship aspect of Christianity is saying that Jesus is a deity or he is God himself, which in Judaism, traditional Judaism, that's considered idol worship.
But that's one area.
Yeah, that's one area where we Muslims tend to agree with the Jews.
Although, at the same time, we accept Jesus as the one and only true Messiah, born of a virgin, who's coming back in the end times.
And the Jews, of course, see him as the son of a prostitute with a terrible, terrible person who's created all this horrible sort of anti-Jewish spin-off on their religion.
They see him as Satan, basically.
He is their adversary, Messiah.
They believe that he is the reincarnation of Esau, which Esau's guardian angel is Samael or Satan.
That's why they have this, Satan is the tempter.
He's tempting the Jews towards idol worship.
He's also the accuser.
Jesus accused the Jews and the Pharisees.
He's the persecutor.
He, through Christianity, has persecuted the Jews.
He accused them justly.
Well, as Satan does.
In fact, Satan and Jesus sit on the right hand of God.
And to be the accuser, you must be sinless as well.
Because the prosecutor in the heavenly court is not guilty of any crimes.
He's sinless, and he accuses the Jews of their crimes.
But let's get into this article.
Number one, I'm sure you just Googled my name and found one of the top, you know, clicked images and found one of the top images.
But this is the not so, it doesn't look that bad, but not so flattering.
This is the picture that Canary Mission and the Jewish groups used to attack.
No, they always put those at the top of the Google results.
But I didn't think it was too bad.
So maybe they don't hate you as much as you would think they would.
If they would have got one that looked too much worse, it would have, you know, their bias would have shown.
There you go.
But yes, you linked my video, Rabbis Explain the Judeo, I'm sorry, the Abrahamic Judeo-takeover conspiracy.
And you say here, you think Adam paints with way too broad a brush in his analysis lacks nuance and balance.
So hopefully I can bring you some of that nuance here as we follow up on our last talk.
In what way am I painting with too broad a brush?
Because that video basically is just clips of rabbi after rabbi saying that their agenda is to get the whole world to worship their God.
So what's too broad about that?
Well, I wasn't so much thinking about just that particular video, but about your sort of Abrahamic approach in general.
And the broad brush, I would say, is lumping together all forms of Jewish messianic millenarianism, which are in fact very, very different from each other and often at war with each other.
For example, Marxism is a form of Jewish-inspired messianic millenarianism that in most ways is radically opposed to Zionism, which is another extremist form of radical messianic millenarianism that's the spin-off of Judaism.
And both Marxism and Zionism are somewhat different from the satanic, Freemasonic, black magical spin-offs of Jewish messianic millenarianism coming out of people like Shabtaiz V. Although, of course, that did inspire Zionism.
Marxism, not so much, I think.
Although perhaps the revolt against God started there.
So anyway, these different manifestations.
And finally, we should say that Judaism is a lot more than just this messianic millenarianism.
There's all kinds of stuff going on in the Jewish community among the various types of rabbis, the various thinkers, very closely identified as Jewish, who are now the center of gravity of the Jewish community.
So there's all of this stuff going on, much of it radically opposed to these other things going on.
And it seems to me that what you've done is you've kind of lumped all of this behind a certain like, you know, Chabad approach to the messianic millenarian issue.
And I think the Chabad approach is just has very little to do with Marxism.
It even has not all that much to do with Zionism.
It has, I'm not sure how much it has to do with Shabtais V and Satanism.
So, and it's certainly that all that stuff has very little to do with the universalist monotheisms, which, you know, basically Christianity and Islam.
So I see lots of difference and nuance here.
And it seems like you kind of relentlessly focus on this Chabad style of messianic Jewish millenarianism as a kind of a world takeover plot in a way that strikes me as like lumping too much.
Okay, well, here's some nuance.
I've always acknowledged that it's not a, you know, one faction.
It's not one monolithic force.
There's many different sects of varying degrees of Judaism.
There's the Reform, conservative, orthodox, ultra-Orthodox.
But Chabad Lubavitch is, it's really kind of indisputable.
Even Jews and all types of people will admit this, that Chabad is the most influential and powerful group in Judaism.
Most Jews, even secular Jews, look at Chabad as that is the traditional Judaism.
It's the most international, influential, most money, most power, most respect.
Chabad is just everywhere.
And you also mention What?
What?
I don't know about respect.
I mean, I think the liberal Jewish community, which the liberal secular part, which is the dominant part, thinks that Chabad is a bunch of nutball extremists.
Well, I wouldn't agree that this is one of the things that we disagree on.
We'll get there later in the article.
But another point you made is that you said, like, there's more to Judaism than the messianic millennialism.
But, like, I see Judaism as like Torah Messiah.
The Messiah, the Messianic idea is like the foundation of Judaism.
I'm pretty sure all sects believe still that there is a Messiah, Moshiach, to come.
Most of them are going to say he's a real-life political leader that's going to reestablish Israel, bring peace to the world, things like this.
Some may think, oh, it's just a metaphor for a utopian world or AI or advanced technology or whatever.
But the vast majority of Jews, religious Jews, are waiting for a Messiah.
So I do see that as a, and their Messiah is essentially going to rule the whole world and subjugate the nations.
So I don't see how you can say that any of this is painting with a broad brush.
I mean, for the sake of explaining things, you know, I can't throw in every nuance then and there.
And this is what I see so many people do that try to dismiss the things I'm talking about.
Not you, because you're acknowledging there's some stuff here, but like other people, this guy, Myth Vision, lots of people, they try to say, these are just fringe rabbis that believe this and they don't have any power.
And a whole bunch of Jews disagree with them, but that doesn't change the fact that this is what the scriptures say.
This is what the influential rabbis do believe.
This is an incredibly powerful, if not the most powerful, organization in modern Jewry.
So that's my take on that.
Yeah, I guess I would meet you halfway there.
And I would admit that there's more truth to your focusing on Chabad than a lot of these other people would probably care to admit.
And I think I would agree with you.
If you're saying that Judaism as a whole focuses more on messianic millenarianism than, let's say, Islam and Christianity do, I think I would tend to agree with that as well.
You know, that toast, you know, next year in Jerusalem, that's been going on for a long time.
It's pretty central to Judaism.
In Islam, the messianic part is pretty marginalized, really.
It's not something that most Muslims and most Muslim thinkers have ever made the center of their approach to the faith.
In Christianity, maybe they're sort of halfway between.
But yeah, I think you're onto something that, and I think that messianic aspect of Judaism, which is much more of a force in the whole sort of Jewish cosmos than a lot of people admit, is I think it has had all kinds of really powerful effects in the world through things like the satanic coming of the Marxian tradition out of Karl Marx, Zionism.
I mean, these are huge, powerful movements that emerge primarily from Jewish messianic millenarism.
So again, I will meet you halfway and admit that it's important and that Chabad is worth paying attention to.
We play this clip here, and I'll just play it so you can see.
This is the clip that you're referring to.
This is what I play at the beginning of the video.
Maybe you shouldn't tell anybody that I said this, but you know, all those tropes about Jews controlling the world or at least wanting to control the world?
They're actually true.
Our goal as Jewish people for the last 3,300 years since the revelation at Sinai has been to control the world.
So it's a great opening clip about them controlling the world.
And then, yes, he goes on to explain the context of what he means there, which is what my whole, the context of my whole video, that they're trying to control the world via their God and their religions and their myths, which, you know, birth Christianity and Islam.
That's what the whole theme of the video is.
And in the rest of the clip, so as you ask here, is this clip taken out of context?
No, it really isn't.
This is the context.
I'll play the rest of it right now.
He says, you know, our biblical idea of bringing peace to the world and worshiping one God And following our laws and stuff like that.
Yes, I did use it as attention grabbing, just like he did.
This proceed relative benign explanation.
This is, you see, I don't think it's a benign explication, though.
I think the idea of them being chosen to have the Goyam, all the flesh, all the Goyam worship their God, the God that chose them.
I see that as nefarious.
I see that as not a noble idea.
They may think it's noble that they're bringing morality to the Goyam, but it's at the end of the day, that is the Abrahamic Judeo-conspiracy, is to get the whole world believing in their myths, worshiping their God.
But here's the rest of the clip.
And the vision that we have for controlling this world is it would become a place of love, care, kindness, no war, no conflict, no envy, no jealousy.
This is the messianic age that he's explaining when the Messiah comes.
No war, supposed peace.
But really, that's imposing the Noahide laws and destroying anybody that doesn't want to obey them.
What they mean by shalom, by peace.
And awareness of a high authority, connection to God, good.
Awareness of a higher authority, that's the Yahweh.
That's what they mean.
The Noahide laws, which we talk about in this article also, the number one is no idol worship and worship the one true God, which is interpreted by the rabbis as their God.
That's what they're going to enforce.
Witness charity, all the wonderful values that Judaism stands for.
In fact, when we control the world, the mundane realities become holy realities.
Everything is meaningful.
See, when they're in charge, everything will be holy and meaningful.
So it's so the point I just wanted to make is that that's actually not out of context.
But it was used as an attention getter, but it's yeah, well, but you're you are offering a negative interpretation when actually what he's saying, if you just accept his words, doesn't necessarily have to be interpreted that way.
That is peace and understanding and love and everybody feeling a connection with God and so on and so forth.
Well, who wouldn't want that?
That part is kind of banal in its obvious goodness.
And so if you're going to come in and then try to say, well, actually, it's all very nefarious.
Yeah, you can say that.
But if he came on here to talk with you, I don't think he would agree with you.
Well, they portray their whole religious agenda as healing the world, as trying to make a messianic utopia.
I wouldn't argue.
They may advertise it as a noble good thing, but I disagree.
The whole world helping them fulfill their prophecies by the whole world worshiping them.
And then I go in with the very next clip, which basically says the exact same thing.
The vision is that Jerusalem should become a center of the world.
Political center, but more important, a center of the word of God, a center of the connection between humanity and God.
We will rebuild the third temple.
We will do animal sacrifices.
Okay, so it's still the same context as ruling the world with the Torah, having influencing the world through religion.
That's kind of the theme.
So in that regard, it's definitely in perfect context there.
Hold on.
Why is this not going away?
I'm a little frozen.
There it is.
Okay.
Next point here.
And just so you guys know, he agrees with quite a bit in here, and he also expands on some of the things I'm saying, saying he's also concerned.
But I only highlighted the parts where we disagree so we could get further discussion.
Okay, so that clip, the political center of the world, but we shouldn't forget that Israel is primarily the project of secularists and atheists, not religious Jews.
See, this is something that I talk about all the time on my channel, and I so strongly disagree.
Zionism would not exist if not for Judaism.
You mentioned it yourself, the prayer that they've had every year on Passover, next year in Jerusalem, the Tisha Ba'av, their saddest day, their saddest holiday where They mourn the destruction of the two temples.
They're obsessed with returning to the land after the exile and rebuilding the temple and having their messianic age with their Messiah.
So I don't, sure, there were some secular Jews involved.
They kind of tried to portray it as secular at some times.
But even Christians, since as early as the 1500s, there's writings of them saying, we need to return the Jews to the land of Israel so Jesus can return, so the prophecies are fulfilled.
The Guyona Vilna, the top Kabbalah rabbi in the 1700s, was a religious Zionist and Kabbalist who set up missions for Jews to go resettle the land and colonize the land as well.
There was the Ben-Gurion, who many people say, oh, he's the first president.
He was secular.
He may have been secular, but he was still deeply motivated by the Jewish identity, which comes from the Torah.
And you know, his famous quote that he said, all armies will be abolished.
There will be no more wars.
There will be a world alliance, a one-world government.
In Jerusalem, the United Nations will build a shrine of the prophets to serve the federated union of all continents.
This will be the seat of the Supreme Court of mankind to settle all controversies among the federated continents as prophesied by Isaiah.
So wouldn't you agree that Ben-Gurion is motivated by the prophets?
Well, I think he was kind of perhaps inspired a bit by the Torah, although I don't think he read it that much.
No, I think he was basically a secular person, but he was a politician.
And so he would speak in these kinds of highfalutin terms.
And the first highfalutin terms to use would be these kinds of things drawn from his tribe's tradition.
But no, he was an atheist and the seculars.
He didn't believe in God.
And neither did Theodore Herzl.
And neither did the vast majority of the people responsible for founding Israel.
They don't believe in God.
They're totally atheist, materialist, modern people.
And so those people were clearly the majority of the original Zionists.
And it was very clear that right up until World War II, the vast majority of religious Jews opposed the creation of Israel, which they saw correctly as an atheist project.
It's true there were religious Jews that were opposed to creating the state of Israel.
They believed the Messiah had to come.
They believe different doctrine that the Messiah had to come and then lead them back.
But that was never universal belief.
There's always different opposing views.
It was the majority belief.
There was a vast majority belief until World War II.
The reason, the whole concept for Zionism, the name Zionism, wouldn't exist.
It wouldn't have manifested.
There would have been no strong desire to return to the land if not for these, for the Torah, basically, and for the prophecies.
And the reason that some of these secular Jews that were involved with this did appeal to religious so much is because there was a lot of religious people that wanted this to happen for religious purposes.
And you can see here, this is on the Temple Institute's website, the Temple Institute about rebuilding the temple here.
They have a part here about Rabbi Kallisher's letter to the Rothschilds concerning the purchase of the Temple Mount.
He basically said, the Rothschild, you could be our Messiah, buy up the Temple Mount from the Sultan of the Ottomans, and so we can rebuild our temple and return to the land.
And they wouldn't sell.
So that's why I believe wars were needed.
This was 1836 that top rabbis were sending letters to the Rothschilds asking them to help fulfill the prophecies.
Yeah, so there are obviously some religious Jews who have been willing to embrace this secular atheist or even Satanist project, which is God, and doing it ourselves.
It's like the old hippie poster of the vulture saying, you know, screw it, I'm going to kill something.
This grows out of the satanic strain of millenarian messianic Judaism, founded by Shabtai Zvi.
And Abarbanel is a key figure.
Abarbanel was One of the first who was beginning to imagine having the Jewish people do their own return without having God sort of pick them up and carry them over across the ocean and set them down and have the lion lie down with the lamb, which has always been the majority position.
So, yeah, there were some people who were still sort of religious Jews who took these heretical satanic, materialist, humanist kinds of positions that we're going to go take back Palestine ourselves.
But ultimately, the vast majority of religious Jews opposed this and continued to oppose it, again, until World War II.
And the shock effect of World War II, the Holocaust story, and all of that had everything to do with suddenly making Zionism acceptable to the majority of religious Jews.
I do agree with that.
I don't think that, well, without Christianity and Christian Zionism, Israel wouldn't exist.
And I think without the burnt offering, atonement sacrifice, and the victim, the ultimate martyrdom, according to their views, there wouldn't be Israel either.
So I definitely agree on that.
Here's the letter from Calliser.
He said he wanted to rebuild the temple and restore the temple service, the animal sacrifices.
Oh, that's modern times, talking about the Rothschilds.
So, you know, and then when Lord Balfour did the Balfour Declaration, he was a Christian Zionist, and he did it to Rothschild.
And then it seems like it was, and it wasn't even all the Rothschilds either.
It was some of the family.
But we have the Rothschild family at Chabad.org, their website.
They have a section here: a quote: Mayor Anschell was offered, if you would accept my religion, I would gladly appoint you to a high position in my government when I became ruler.
So Rothschild was offered to, I guess, convert to Christianity, maybe Islam.
He said, that is out of the question, said the Rothschild.
I will never give up my faith for anything in the world, he concluded proudly.
So it seems to me like there is.
I would take that with a grain of salt, Adam.
I tend to agree with Barry Shamish and his rabbinical sources, who argue that the Rothschild family is essentially part of a satanic and demonic cult stemming from the work of Shabtai's V, the false Messiah, whose work culminated in the year 1666.
And my colleague at Veterans Today, Gordon Duff, who has a lot of very interesting claims about various things, argues that he believes, and this is based partly on classified stuff that he encountered when he was with the CIA, that the Rothschild family has an infestiture ceremony in which those members who are selected to carry on the quote-unquote religious,
i.e., demonic work, are infested with a demon, which becomes their spiritual guide.
And that demon apparently has the ability to sort of transcend space and time and operate in what we Muslims call the Ghaib or the hidden dimension of reality.
And these demonic forces help them achieve their ends.
That would certainly explain how they were able to know before anybody else that Napoleon had been defeated and grab up a big pile of money on the London Stock Exchange through that particular maneuver.
So in any case, yeah, I don't believe the Rothschilds are normal traditional Jews by any means.
And I tend to believe what Barry Shamish, the late great Barry Chamish, said, as well as the various rabbis that he depends upon, that the Rothschilds are indeed practitioners of a satanic/slash atheist, quote-unquote, religion.
I see a lot of people have a tendency to do this.
They try to say, like, it's not the Jews or the Torah that's the problem.
It's the Satanist or it's the Talmud.
Like, you've referred to Israel as the satanic Zionist state, the Rothschilds, you know, satanic.
Maybe they were influenced with the Illuminati and Jacob Frank.
I don't rule that out.
I haven't seen super solid evidence on that.
But to say that it's like Satanists are the bad guy, in my view, kind of gives a pass to just like the Abrahamic agenda.
And how can you say that Jews returning to the land and rebuilding the temple is satanic When these are all the prophecies laid out in the Bible, they're following the Bible Torah script, the blueprint.
And so God wants a satanic state to be created.
That's part of God's plan.
If it's part of God's plan that he wants the satanic state to be created, I'd say it's God's plan, not Satan's plan.
And Yahweh is the bad guy here.
And Satan's his angel, who works for God, basically.
That's the way I see it.
Well, yeah, that's one way of reading a lot of the Torah.
And yeah, I actually understand why you would see things that way based on the fact that you grew up in a Christian culture, or at least a post-Christian culture, that has a lot of tendencies to put the Old Testament up on a pedestal as scripture that's equal to, or even in some cases, they see it as superior to the New Testament, not to mention the Quran, which tells us that these earlier revelations have been corrupted by human hands and human minds.
And so we shouldn't accept them as inerrant divine scripture.
But our culture that we grew up in has tended to put the Old Testament on a pedestal where it doesn't belong.
I fully agree with some of your critiques of the Old Testament.
And indeed, the Old Testament does give us some pictures of Yahweh conspiring with Satan against Job, for example, in ways that seem highly immoral.
And many of Yahweh's actions in the extant Torah or Old Testament are obviously highly immoral.
And these stories can only be taken as legendary, literary allegories of various things.
It's possible to interpret the Old Testament in ways that are, I suppose, morally acceptable, but you certainly wouldn't accept it as straightforward, inerrant scripture unless you're a complete lunatic.
So yeah, I agree with you.
There's a huge problem with the Torah or Old Testament.
There's a huge problem with those Christians who put it on the same level or higher than their New Testament.
And one of the advantages of Islam is that we're very clear in Islam that these earlier scriptures, and particularly the Torah, have been corrupted by human hands, human minds, and especially in this case, human tribal egos.
And they should not be bowed down to and accepted as inerrant scripture.
And indeed, the Quran makes this clear.
And I think Christians should see this too, because the God of the New Testament is profoundly different from Yahweh of the Old Testament.
And the attempts to try to reconcile them have never been very convincing.
And ultimately, I think that what we have to see is that the Old Testament is the record of a henotheistic group.
That is a group that has not fully achieved the transition to fully universal monotheism.
And they're worshiping their tribal idol in a world of many different tribal idols.
And their tribal idol is urging them to war with all these other tribes and all their idols.
And that tribe, those people, the people who refused to accept universal monotheism and become Christians or Muslims, those are the people that today we call Jews.
But if you want to call all Middle Eastern monotheists as one group, which I think you could, Abrahamic peoples, of the Abrahamic peoples, the vast majority of them are universal monotheists.
And only a tiny retrograde minority are these tribal henotheists or people who have not made it yet to universal monotheism.
So I think that's the real problem with Judaism and with the Torah is that this is a group that has rejected the revelation of Jesus, peace upon him, the revelation of Muhammad, peace upon him, and they've stuck with this Bronze Age legendary story of their henotheistic God telling him to go out and smash and destroy other people's gods and steal their money and so on and so forth.
But Christianity and I believe Islam also kind of uphold the Ten Commandments, right?
And that's what it says to do is to destroy all idol worship, smash up.
Actually, no, well, there's no reference, direct reference to the specific Ten Commandments in the Quran.
However, if we look at what those Ten Commandments are, yeah, I think we would all agree with them.
I mean, a great many non-religious people, Buddhists, atheists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, would tend to agree with most of them too, wouldn't they?
Well, sure, people can agree on all types of things.
It doesn't mean they're necessarily true.
Here was one other thing I wanted to show.
Like the Vilna Gayon, he's the top Kabbalist, 1700s.
This is long before Herzl, Ben-Gurion, any of the secular Zionist movement.
And he was all about the redemption of the land was the highest concern for Vilna Guyan and his disciples.
They saw it as a force, focus of the human activity during the decisive first stage of the redemption.
And the settlement of the land of Israel was not a means to promote Jewish political freedom or economic prosperity, but an end itself so that the third temple might be built and all humanity brought to acknowledge the dominion of the king, king of kings, the holy one, blessed be he.
So I still disagree.
I acknowledge there was secular involvement.
They kind of like to portray it as secular because that appeals to secular people.
They appeal to both, the secular side and the religious side.
They appealed to the Christians as well.
They appealed to the Jews, obviously, for religious or for secular anti-Semitism reasons also.
And also, the Rothschilds followed the biblical script.
The prophecy was that they would plant vineyards and grow wine.
And the Rothschilds funded something called Bilu, which was a movement, the goal to agriculture settlement of the land of Israel.
That's how they started too.
Oh, we're just going to have some little vineyards here and look at what that blew up into.
And that was funded by the Rothschilds also.
Now, you mentioned monotheists.
You said the Jews aren't really quite true monotheists.
Christianity and Islam are universalist, which is true.
And they're supremacist.
I think that clash is by design.
But you're aware that top rabbis view Christianity and Islam, Islam in particular, as a Noahide-compliant religion, right?
Yes, I've seen that.
And I guess my attitude towards that differs somewhat from yours in that you see that as a sort of oppressive thing where these rabbis are planning to create a global dictatorship that will enforce these Noahide laws as the basis of all law.
And first, I don't see that as a very likely possibility because as I see it, what the world is really threatened by right now is Western secular liberal hegemony, neoliberalism.
And this is a materialist philosophy.
So that's the real threat.
That's the big powerful institutions, the Pentagon, the World Economic Fund, the big banksters of Basel, Switzerland, the people who join the CFR and the Trilateral Commission.
And basically, the people who run the world are atheists who are trying to impose a kind of neoliberalism that benefits themselves and their power and wipes out all traditional cultures and religions everywhere it goes and would wipe out the Jewish ones just as much as any others.
That's the real enemy of humanity right now.
And so I think that's the brand of messianic millenarism, which, yes, it's spun off, I suppose, in some way from Judaism, but it's radically anti-religious.
And again, that's, I think, the real threat.
And these Chabad people, you know, saying they would love to have Noahide laws and so on and so forth.
Come on, Adam.
Do you really think that there's one chance in 10 trillion that in our lifetimes or our children's lifetimes, there will be some sort of imposition of Noahide laws on any on the planet?
I mean, they can't even get them imposed on the state of Israel right now.
And then if you actually look at what the Noahide laws are, what's wrong with them?
I mean, they're basically mostly just sort of standard things that a lot of reasonable people would agree with and that wouldn't really impose on anybody else.
So, I mean, to me, the whole thing is really, I think you're blowing that issue up way too much.
I don't think we're threatened by Noahide laws.
We'll never have anybody ramming them down our throats.
And even if we somehow did, which will never happen in a million years, that wouldn't be a very bad thing compared to the bad things that the neoliberal atheists have in store for us.
Well, I disagree.
And I see the saying, oh, it's the Marxists, it's the secularists, it's the atheists that are the problem.
I see that as just pointing out one side of the dialectic.
It's like saying communism and Marxism are the problem, not Zionism.
I see them as kind of two sides of the same coin.
And yes, I point out both sides of the dialectic.
And yes, Noahide laws I do see as a threat.
It seems far-fetched now, but they're very determined.
They have a long-term goal.
They have 220 years left before the 6,000 years of creation are over.
They're pushing them heavy.
Oh, they're trying to get them in schools with these moments of silence that they did in Arizona and Florida.
All 50 states are acknowledging the Rebbe and Noahide laws since Bush.
They've been signing it every year, the Education Day, which includes verbiage about the Noahide laws.
They are very determined with this.
Look at what they've been able to do just with Schofield and Darby reference Bibles just in the last hundred years, getting Christianity to be pretty virulently anti-Semitic towards being very philosemitic.
If they're able to accomplish that, if they're able to have two major world wars and then Israel is birthed out of that and then they rise to be a power of the nations, I wouldn't downplay their ability to pull these things off.
And already I see, I mean, rabbis brag about the Noahide movement exploding.
And they're already halfway there by being Christians, by being Muslims.
Like Maimonides says in the 12th century, they're already a stepping stone.
It's a stage towards the messianic age.
So it's preparing the world for the messianic age.
And well, maybe we won't be around in the 200 or whatever years it'll take them to try to finish their project.
So maybe, you know, maybe you're right.
I don't know what's going to happen.
They got the Abrahamic Accords.
That's what this is about.
They got the interfaith complex.
Abrahamic Accords is a complete joke.
Abrahamic Accords is basically a bunch of atheists getting together.
It's all bullshit.
I mean, do you really think that Kushner is actually religious?
I mean, do you think that the king of Saudi Arabia, the prince of the UAE is openly campaigning against Islam and against religion.
And so is the king of Saudi Arabia.
These so-called Abrahamic Accords are atheistic accords.
It's between a bunch of secular atheist Zionists and a bunch of secular atheist billionaire Sybarite playboy Arabs who pretend to be Muslim.
But that has nothing to do with religion that I can see.
I don't know what's in the hearts of Kushner or David Friedman or all these people that were involved with the Abraham Accords or maybe all the people that were involved with it that their names aren't getting the recognition for it.
But I see that the threat from all these secular groups also, but I definitely see a very serious threat from the religious aspects too.
And I mean, you can't downplay the impact that Christianity and Islam has played on the last 2,000 and 1,300 years, respectively.
Yeah, I think it's been a very, very positive overall impact, Adam.
Very, very positive.
Jews are so powerful because of these two things.
No, no, no.
Jews have basically spent the last 2,000 years contained by the Christian and Islamic power structures.
Protected.
And Christianity and Islam as universal monotheisms have taken Athens to Jerusalem and protected the classical heritage of Western thought and philosophy.
And under universal monotheism, both Islam and Christianity have reached quite amazing heights.
And I think they've also done what Rene Girard has written about, which is that they have made significant inroads against the ubiquity of human sacrifice as The very basis of human social solidarity.
René Girard is a brilliant anthropologist who played out this theory of his, which is actually, I wouldn't call it a theory, it's just an obvious fact, that the basis of traditional human social solidarity is basically lynching scapegoats.
And he saw pagan religion as basically emerging from a situation where when the community, because of the clash of mimetic desires, ends up at each other's throats in a sort of Hobbesian war of all against all, and the community is about to totally break down in massive universal bloodshed.
At that point, everybody turns against a scapegoat and they lynch him.
And that brings the community back together and releases the bad energy.
And suddenly there's harmony.
And so then they build a statue to that guy that they lynched, and he becomes their pagan god.
And then every year they shed some blood in front of that statue, whether it's human blood, as so many groups throughout the world, in the Mesoamerican world and around the Mediterranean world, in Africa still today, still through this ubiquity of pagan human sacrifice as the basic force holding human groups together is something that Gerard really shows us clearly.
And that has been rolled back by the Abrahamic tradition because Abraham refused to sacrifice his son.
Now, there's still a lot of child sacrifice going on.
Pizzagate is probably true, although I don't know if those particular restaurants are doing it.
But there is child molestation and sacrifice at the highest level of global atheist and satanic elites.
And that's just a continuation of stuff that's been going on for a very long time and it has been greatly rolled back by the progress of universal Abrahamic monotheism, especially in its Islamic and to a great extent Christian configurations.
And Girard, of course, emphasized the Christian pushback against human sacrifice with essentially you just sacrificed this guy, but that was actually God you sacrificed.
Oh my, you know, that's the and so that's a way of slapping people awake that their sacrifice of the scapegoat that holds their community together is evil.
Okay.
And Christianity makes that very clear with its core myth.
And Islam also, by making the feast of the sacrifice, that is the feast of the end of all human sacrifice as its central holiday.
And also by working against the mimetic desire, that is by having people be modest, by giving charity, by not accumulating wealth, by not showing off, by not engaging in any sexual communications in public, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You get a world where there isn't so much of this people at each other's throats because of this mimetic desire going out of control.
So Islam, like Christianity, has made a lot of progress against the problem of this scapegoating and human sacrifice that's at the very core of all human societies, as explained by René Girard.
Christianity is a religion based upon human sacrifice or just any type of scapegoat sacrifice.
No, it's the sacrifice to end all sacrifice.
The sacrifice to end all sacrifices is still a religion based on sacrifice.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
And you said, I don't know if you misspoke or if you said Abraham refused to sacrifice his son.
Well, I should say, yeah, I misspoke.
God, working through Abraham helped Abraham not sacrifice his son.
And I see it as just, I don't think Abraham or any of these patriarchs existed.
I think the idea that God wanted him to sacrifice his son and have, you know, chop off your foreskin and cut up these animals and drag a torch through it to have a covenant.
I think even just like entertaining these Jewish myths and playing along with this paradigm plays into the hands of the Jews because they believed all the nations will be blessed through Abraham, and that's where the Esau and the Ishmael come in as these other side religions.
They're right.
They're right, Adam.
They're actually right because the world is being blessed through Abraham through the end of human sacrifice as the central Mechanism of holding human social groups together the ending human sacrifice to hold social groups together.
I mean, we can end human sacrifices without having the Jews to tell us how to do it.
I think we would have done that without the Bible on our own.
One other point I forgot to mention earlier, too, you said that they can't even enforce Noahide laws on Israel.
That's not really getting it because Israel is supposed to be Jews and only the Noahides are going to be their servants there.
And the Jews are not supposed to follow the Noahides.
They follow the 613 mitzvahs.
The Noahide laws are for the nations, not for Israel.
So I don't.
That's very interesting.
But I mean, what percentage of the Western Jewish population is actually following the 713 mitzvahs?
I mean, I think this is all kind of fantasy.
This whole thing is a big extremist fantasy that has zero chance of ever being implemented in reality.
Hey, I think it's all fantasy too, but this fantasy has dominated our humanity for the last 2,000 years.
No, I disagree.
I think the universal monotheism, yes, has had a powerful influence on humanity.
And as I said, has rolled back the ubiquitous practice of human sacrifice globally, as Renee Gerrard pointed out.
And that's been basically good.
But the continuation of this tiny number of tribal monotheists who refuse to make the full step to universal monotheism, and yeah, there are people who call themselves Jews who actually are universal monotheists.
My friend Douglas Rushkoff, you know, people like that.
Sure, there are some of them, even maybe Rabbi Michael Lerner to a certain extent.
But overall, that the people who call themselves Jews are those who haven't made it yet to universal monotheism.
But they haven't dominated everything for 2,000 years.
Yeah, they've had a little extra tribal power, a little extra tribal money compared to their numbers.
I'm not saying the Jews have dominated for 2,000 years.
I'm saying their mythologies have dominated.
Yeah, I think the mythology changes, though, when you get to universal monotheism.
Certainly, Islam, it changes it.
The mythology in Islam is quite different from the mythology in Judaism.
And I think likewise that's also true with Christianity.
So I don't think that what we're calling Judaism today or what you would call Judaism or the Hebrew tribal thing, you know, 2,500 years ago, I think that's actually been pretty marginal.
It's only retained importance because the people who stubbornly insist on refusing to become universal monotheists have managed to build very powerful social bonds between themselves.
And they've become incredibly ethnocentric and use that as plus some selective breeding to become a very, very wealthy and powerful tribe.
Here you're right.
He doesn't say this.
You're talking about the rabbi.
He doesn't say anything about Jews ruling over enslaving non-Jews.
He doesn't say it in that clip, but this is the whole idea of Esau, the elders shall serve the younger.
Esau shall serve Jacob.
That's Christians or Gentiles serving the Jews.
And you say, I suppose you could interpret this wish for Muslims and Christians to join the Jewish people as converting them to Judaism.
No, they definitely don't want the Gentiles to convert to Judaism.
They're opposed to that.
They want the Christians and Muslims to worship their God, though, and to believe they are God's chosen people as Noahides.
And by joining the Jewish people, the verse that they cite is grabbing onto the tassels of their shirts and following them and following their ways and worshiping their God.
If you can convince the whole world that your myths are true and that your God is the one true God of the universe and that your ancient prophets are the only ones that have the authority to speak for this all-powerful God, it's incredibly powerful mind control.
You say three branches of monotheism living in harmony under God.
That's what the Jews want.
That's the Jewish agenda.
So I think as a Christian or as a Muslim, you don't see how nefarious That is because you kind of almost want the same thing, but just slightly different.
Well, you know, if some crazy rabbi from among this group of, you know, 14 million, 15 million people out of the nearly 4 billion Abrahamic monotheists, if a couple of tribal rabbis representing this very marginal and insignificant group among Abrahamic monotheists wants to take credit for the,
for instance, you know, for my having access to praying to the one God, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, and for being able to use the blessed discourses and rituals that have come down to me through this universal monotheistic tradition that I practice, if he wants to take credit for that, fine.
I mean, why do I care?
I mean, it's silly.
It's like the rooster taking credit for the dawn, but so what?
I mean, if these people are crazy enough to think that, you know, they're God's gift to the universe and everything good that's happened, including things that are really very different from what they do in Islam and Christianity, are very different.
If they want to take credit for these things, whatever, you know, I mean, who cares?
They're very different because Esau is the antithesis to Jacob.
It's supposed to be different, but they've got far more in common than they'd have disagree on.
Basically, the only disagreement is if Jesus is the Messiah and if the Messiah is a divine figure or not, but you really can't write this off as just, you know, a couple fringe rabbis.
Like, this is Maimonides.
This is the top sage in Judaism that says that this is Christianity and Islam are part of God's plan in preparing the world for the messianic age.
And you write here on the clip with Shmuly Botayak strikes me as he says they're chosen to bring the Torah to the world.
And you said this is innocuous.
His view of chosenness as a mission to spread the knowledge of God and the biblical laws, the Mosaic law on the whole world, contrasts favorably with other more arrogant interpretations.
I don't find this as innocuous.
They try to frame it as innocuous and as a noble thing, but for Jews to say, oh, we're chosen to be a light into the nations and to spread the Torah and to make everybody moral, you're really saying you want everybody to be under your thumb and to worship the God that chose you.
I find that very problematic.
Wouldn't you agree?
Getting the whole world to worship your God and your myth?
I don't out of, you know, I've done secular religious studies.
I have a PhD that's related to my Arabic and Islamic studies.
And, you know, if you talk to a Buddhist and that Buddhist feels like he has a certain approach to truth that really should be universally acknowledged, and it would be, the world would be so much better if everybody could recognize that the root of suffering is desire and that liberation from desire brings liberation from suffering and that there is a way to achieve liberation from desire
and thereby achieve ecstasy and liberation from suffering and that this message and these practices are so important that the world will be so much better when I teach these things to the whole world.
Do I think that Buddhist is trying to conquer the world and enslave me?
Of course not.
And I feel the same way when I talk to at least a sophisticated Hindu, a Hindu who's risen above their pagan origins, which are again all rooted in human sacrifice.
And look at the way they're sacrificing Christians and Muslims in India right now.
But if you talk to a more sophisticated Upanishads kind of Hindu, and he'll tell you he'll have this spiritual discourse and practices that he thinks would make your life a lot better if you practiced them and would make the world a lot better if they were ever more widely practiced.
In other words, he thinks he's got the truth.
And fine, God bless him.
I mean, a lot of, especially with these universal spiritual traditions, part of the part of the game that you can't really escape from completely is that, you know, when you discover something extremely valuable that will help people if they learn it and will give us a better world if we practice it,
such as ending scapegoating and human sacrifice, for a really obvious example, or getting some non-attachment to the ego that desires evil, which we do through our Islamic practice and which the Buddhists do through their Buddhist practice and Hindus through their practice and Taoists through their practice.
Having this kind of really valuable teaching and wanting to share it with the world is just part of a lot of people, it's probably the majority of people's religious experience.
And so when I hear these rabbis talking, yeah, I admit that there's some truth to what you're saying, that there is a virulent element there that you see more of in some cases, less of in others, that can spin out of control into a kind of monstrous satanic cosmic egotism and lust for power and domination.
And we do see that among some of these Jewish messianic millenarian people that you've analyzed.
But I also see a lot of just standard religious discourse.
Here's a religious discourse that can make your life better if you get the truth of it and if you practice this religious practice.
And to me, those things are basically good, not bad.
I don't think you can compare Hindus or Buddhists with Jews in Judaism because they don't have the prophecies.
They don't have the type of dogmas.
They don't have the type of end times agendas.
Let me ask you, from the Muslim perspective, what do you think is going to happen in the end times?
Well, you know, I came to Islam largely through the work of René Ghanon and the traditionalists.
And they have studied many different religions.
I think certain aspects of mystical Hinduism had a particularly strong influence on Ghanon.
And so he accepts the notion of the Kali Yuga, which is a kind of an end times vision that holds that there are these cosmic cycles of birth and growth and then decay and then finally death.
And that we're basically really close to the point of death in this cosmic cycle.
And that's what the end times really are: a moment of death, which will then be followed, of course, by a rebirth.
And so I think that basically Ghanon and the traditionalists are right, that an element of truth has found its way into many different religious traditions.
And we accept this in Islam, saying that there are these thousands of prophets who have been legitimate messengers of God to all these different peoples.
And when we look at end times prophecies from a wide variety of these traditions, we see a lot of similarities.
And personally, the eschatologist that's had the strongest influence on me is Imran Hussein.
He has his own particular view of the end times, which, you know, I'm not identifying completely with all of the details of his map of the political world and what he thinks is the current run-up to the end times.
But basically, what I see is the forces of the demonic and the satanic rising up to kind of unparalleled prominence in the world, especially at the heights of political, social, and economic power.
And that the forces of God will be called to essentially have a kind of a spiritual battle with them.
And ultimately, the forces of God will win, but perhaps in the form of a destruction of the current age of Kali Yuga and a rebirth of a new age and an age of growth that's coming.
Kali Yuga is not in the Quran or in Islamic sources.
No, but again, Adam, I think that the, well, certainly the mystics, or at least the best mystics from all traditions, have seen very, very similar things.
And likewise, to a certain extent with some of the end times Visions as well.
The Jews and many Christians believe that there will be an Armageddon war of Gog and Magog where Esau and Ishmael will mutually destroy each other.
And that being Christianity and Islam have a major World War III where Israel is the ultimate victor with God's help.
Why would God want a satanic war with mass death and suffering and spiritual battle?
Why would he want a satanic power to rise up in this end times prophecies?
Why is that part of his plan?
Well, I don't agree with those Jewish authors like Abarbanel who seem to be saying that the Jews should deliberately manipulate the Christians and the Muslims into fighting an apocalyptic war that will destroy themselves, leaving the world to be dominated by Jews.
Abarbanel was really the first to say this.
And of course, that's why Netanyahu's father wrote that, you know, essentially lionized Abarbanel and wrote a book about him.
And Netanyahu in that strain of Zionism, I think, very much, which is they're atheists, but they've sort of accepted this mythology that the role of the Jews is to trick the Christians and the Muslims into destroying each other so that we Jews can then rule whatever is left.
Now, I don't agree with that interpretation, obviously.
In fact, I think that's a demonic interpretation.
These people are the satanic, demonically inspired people that good people are being asked to rise up and do spiritual battle with right now.
But you ask then, well, why do we even have to do spiritual battle with the forces of evil in the first place?
And yeah, that's a tough question.
The Quran answers the basic problem here.
The Quran gives us this scene where God created Adam, the first human, and Satan, who was a jinn or a spirit of fire, was horrified.
And then when God ordered the jinn and the angels to bow down to Adam, Satan refused and said, why should I bow down to this horrible creature who's going to spread blood, shed blood on the earth?
And then God said, well, I know what you don't know.
And so get down to hell and be condemned.
And Satan then said, well, can you give me a reprieve so that I can tempt and try to mislead this human creature?
And God said, yes, go for it.
If you can mislead him, then he will deserve where he ends up.
And so this I see as a kind of a mythological, because it's a narrative, it's a sacred narrative, so we could call it mythological.
It's an allegorical and mythological explanation of the fact that when God gave us, put free will into the universe, that allowed for all possibilities, the good ones and the evil ones.
And by giving the universe, including especially the human being and perhaps other human-like sentient creatures, this freedom of choice, that then led to the inevitability of a significant choice towards evil on the part of some created beings.
And so that means that God gave this test.
And the Quran actually makes it very clear that that is what's going on, that we are undergoing a spiritual test.
And so the hardships that we go through, the temptations that the Shaitan al-Du Billah puts in front of us, and the challenges that we face in having to rise up and be courageous enough to fight against the forces of evil and expose ourselves to all kinds of hardship, suffering, and danger in doing so.
This is part of the test and the path of spiritual growth that we were created for.
And so the best approach is to submit to God, embrace that path, and do the very best that we can.
I don't think it sounds very realistic for a loving, all-powerful God to find it necessary to test us with mass wars and Kali Yuga and destruction of the world and stuff.
You describe the story of Adam and the jinn and the angels.
So you believe these are allegorical stories or these are historical events that really happened in the last couple thousand years.
Well, Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says clearly in the Quran in a couple of different places that what really matters is what we might call the allegorical meaning or the symbolic meaning, the meaning with a capital M, right?
Rather than the superficial, quote, historical details.
For instance, in Surah Al-Kaf, Allah tells us that the people dispute about the sleepers of the cave, how many of them there were, you know, and they had their dog with them.
So how many were there when you include their dog?
All these little details.
And then the same sort of thing in the Surah Al-Baqarah about the Jews arguing about what kind of cow do you want us to sacrifice?
What color and what size and this and that and the other.
All of this stupid focusing on meaningless details when there's a clear, meaningful message.
Call it symbolic, call it allegorical, call it what you want, but it's got meaning.
It's not just a bunch of superficial details about what supposedly happened in the past.
Who cares about just a random list of superficial details about what supposedly happened in the past?
Who cares about that?
What matters is meaning.
God makes that really clear in Quran.
And so I think all of Quran has to be read that way.
Now, that doesn't mean that you reject stuff and say, oh, that never happened.
It's just allegory.
No, the best way to take it is to just kind of, yeah, well, I'll just accept at some level this really happened.
But of course, the main focus is on the meaning with a capital M. Throughout history, the majority of religious people believe that these things did happen.
I don't think it's some insignificant, you know, it doesn't matter if it really did happen or if it's just an allegory.
Like, it makes a big difference.
If it's just an allegory and it's a myth, that means somebody made it up with a motive, with an agenda in mind.
And if it never really happened, then these things have no legitimacy to them.
They're just stories made up to get people to believe them.
I think it's very important whether it happened or not.
You're underestimating the power of God.
If Jesus didn't really live and die and resurrect, you don't think that's important to Christians or not?
If he didn't live and exist, then the religion's based on a lie, in my view.
That's a great example to bring up because that's another case where the Quran makes it very clear that this accepting with absolute faith that Jesus died for your sins on the cross, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, is not where it's at.
This is where, again, as I mentioned, in Islam, we believe that the earlier scriptures were tampered with by human hands and they got things wrong.
And in the case of the...
Why is he hiding?
Why is that?
That's what the Quran is.
The Quran sets the record straight on the death of Jesus.
But what it sets straight, Adam, is it says basically what it's telling us is that what's important about Jesus is that he's a messenger of truth.
And the truth is that we live in a just universe, and so there is no way that a just God is going to.
And I think being a prophet is just as I agree that having a son of God or taking the God, you know, coming on earth like that is ridiculous.
But I think people that claim to speak for God, it's the same thing, just as likely.
But sorry I interrupted.
Go ahead.
And we'll wrap it up here.
I know we're getting close.
We're over time.
Okay.
And I've managed to finally alienate my Christian viewers here by coming to this one point where Islam and the Quran differ significantly from most traditional Christianity.
Maybe not the Unitarian so much.
But anyway, I apologize if I'm hurting anybody's feelings.
Uh-oh.
God's oneness just intuitively makes sense to me.
And the notion of a human God, whether it's a bearded guy on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel or a father, a son, much less a Holy Ghost, and sort of stuff, just obviously strikes me as complete mystification and absurdity.
So I apologize for being a Unitarian and a Muslim, But hey, that's who I am.
Welcome to the club of offending Christians.
I do a lot of that here.
Yeah, I noticed.
So we're getting at the end of time here, and I just wanted to read just the last closing paragraph that you have here.
You say, the Torah that exists today has been corrupted.
I see this as, oh, it's not the Torah that's the problem.
It's only the interpretation, or it's been corrupted.
I wonder why doesn't, you know, a divine book that's so easily corrupted.
I find that problematic in itself.
But you say here, the rabbis in Adam Green's videos are not exactly the biggest problem facing humanity today.
Even in these cherry-picked clips, they're not cherry-picked.
This is all over the internet.
You can't hide, can't miss it, can't hide from it.
Designed to foster alarmism.
I'm just trying to wig people up to the Jewish agenda, what these rabbis believe, what their prophecies are.
I wouldn't call that alarmism, but I do think people should be alarmed by their agenda.
So, fair enough.
There is plenty of good alongside the bad and the ugly.
I think the ugly far outweighs any of the good that may be there.
And you say here, you want to sit down with the rabbis, turn the tables on them, and argue that it isn't the Goyam who need to embrace Noahide laws, it's the Talmudic Jews who need to embrace the universal monotheism.
And that's their same goal.
So you guys have the same exact goal as having the whole world worship the one God of Abraham.
So you guys have some serious agreements there.
And they do agree.
Actually, Adam, in Islam, we are not trying to force convert people for the most part.
The tradition in Islam was generally to allow for and encourage and protect religious minorities.
And I think that should be the focus, especially of all Islamic political movements in the future.
There's a terrific book out on the covenants of the Prophet Muhammad by John Andrew Morrow that I urge people to check out about bringing us back to that tradition of protecting other religions and other faiths.
I think ultimately, Islam will be the protector and defender of all authentic traditional religions.
And I would include traditional Judaism as one of them.
The kind I admire is the Naturai Karta kind.
And I also admire certain other more universalist interpretations of Judaism.
And ultimately, I see Islam's role as to do battle with the various manifestations of Satanism and the demonic, above all, the liberal secular humanist materialist paradigm that the military machine is trying to impose on the whole earth at the price of apocalypse and protect all traditional faiths.
And so we can find out, as Rumi's parable of blind man and the elephant, which of us has which piece of this truth that is greater than we can possibly ever express.
Allahu Akbar, God's truth, is greater than any possible human expression of it.
That's what Allahu Akbar means.
You know, the Christian shouldn't even be offended by you.
Doesn't the Quran say that Jesus is the Messiah?
It says he is the Moshiach, right?
Absolutely.
Jesus is the one and only Messiah, and we Muslims pray for his return.
And do you believe one day that the whole world will be Muslim?
No.
We believe that the whole world is Muslim in a sense with a small M. The word Muslim just means submitting to God, and there's a sense in which everything is submitted to God, but there's also that free will element in existence that allows for the refusal to submit to God and to rebel against God and to swim against the current and be perverse and so on and so forth.
Will God allow people to resist him forever?
Or will there be a time when there will only be God-fearing Muslims on the that's a great theological question, Adam, and it's way above my pay grade.
Okay.
All right.
Well, very interesting talk.
This was the follow-up from when I was on Dr. Kevin Barrett's show a couple weeks ago.
You guys can check out at UNS Review where he publishes and read the whole article for yourself if you want to.
I definitely enjoyed the conversation.
I've talked to many Christians about this, but You're the first Muslim that I've got to engage in this discussion.
Why don't you tell us some of your other where they can see your show, your other websites, all those links before we close it out?
Yeah, probably the first place to go would be my substack, which is Kevin Barrett.
That's K-E-V-I-N-B-A-R-R-E-T-T dot substack.com.
And then you can also find a lot of my stuff at the UNSReview UUNZ.com.
And then there's the, if you want to see my sermons, I do these Islamic sermons every week, and they get put up at the Khidriya YouTube channel, which is K-H-I-D-R-I-A, the Kidria YouTube channel.
And that one they haven't given me strikes or taken down yet.
What does that mean, Kidria?
It's a reference to Sayyidina Al-Khedir, who is the green prophet of Quranic legend.
All right.
Well, again, thank you, Dr. Kevin Barrett.
Thank you, everybody, for watching.
Sorry I didn't get to any of the super chats today.
I got to close it out because I'm already way over time with Kevin.
Appreciate all your time.
Thank you again for having me on.
I'll have to talk to you again sometime.
And please check out some of my videos.
I'll send you some links if you're interested in exploring any more into this idea.
And look forward to seeing all of your comments.
This will be up on BitChute and Odyssey.
And I will see you guys all again back in a few days.
But also, guest on next week from Truth Hurts Radio, Mr. Charles Giuliani, will be on discussing.
He agrees with me basically on Christianity as a Jewish psyop.
So stay tuned for that.
Thank you again, Kevin.
Thank you, everybody, for watching.
And I will see you all again very soon.
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