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March 10, 2022 - Know More News - Adam Green
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Israeli IDF to 'Peace Activist' | Know More News LIVE feat. Adar Weinreb
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to No More News Live.
Thank you all so much for joining me today, Thursday, March 10th, 2022.
Joining me today, I have coming all the way from Tel Aviv, Israel.
We're going to engage in some healing of the world, Takun Olam with an Israeli peace activist YouTuber who had me on his show a couple months ago.
His YouTube channel, Solha, where he discusses mostly, I'd say, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
He is here for about an hour and a half.
He is Adar Wine Reb.
Thank you for being here, Adar.
Yeah, good to be here, Adam.
Good to be speaking to you again.
Before we get started, I'm not in my usual apartment.
I'm at a rental now, so this is a fake background, as you can see.
Let's say it's in solidarity with the Ukrainian people.
Oh, that's a Ukrainian landscape there in architecture in the snow?
Yeah, it looks pretty Ukrainian, so we'll go with that.
Symbolic.
Of course, I had some questions.
We're going to have to talk about the Ukraine, Putin-Russia situation.
We'll get there at some point tonight, and we will be taking questions that you guys send in through Odyssey.
We're streaming on Odyssey.
This will be up on BitChute.
So you had me on, let's see.
This is your channel, Solha.
What does Solha mean?
It means to reconcile in Arabic.
The goal of the channel is to reconcile.
Yeah, to reconcile between Israelis and Palestinians.
That's the goal.
Israelis and Palestinians generally don't know each other and what they know of each other are the bad things.
So the point of the channel is for us to come together and have vibrant discussions on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
And it looks like you had me on about three months ago.
Rebby Duvid, I believe, set it up, if memory serves me correctly.
And I got to toot my own horn a little bit.
I don't know if you noticed, but the video has the most views in the last three months and even before that of all your videos.
Yeah, it's a very popular one.
I think Yeshai Fleischer and Amr Zar might have is getting closer, surpassed it.
That was a month ago, but it's definitely in the top 10% of videos we've done all time.
The only one it doesn't come close to is Noam Chomsky versus Rudy Roshman, which, you know, two pretty well-known activists, you could say.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, you've got some videos with like, what's your highest video?
I could find it here.
It's that one, the one that's pinned 310,000.
314,000 with Rudy the Zionist and Noam Chonsky.
Exactly.
So, cool.
That wasn't the most productive debate, but you could imagine that's one that is potentially historic, you know?
Like different generations.
Rudy's a very big up-and-coming activist.
Noam Chomsky is a legend.
We brought them together for an interesting discussion.
So anybody that has any questions, you can super chat them in through Odyssey and I will get to them.
And I got a bunch of my own questions as well.
So when you brought me on, you kind of brought me through the ringer.
You marketed it as a discussion with a quote anti-Semite.
You caught some flack from people kind of in your circles and your community for even having a dialogue with me.
And they'd prefer you just to call me a Nazi, an anti-Semite, an Amalakite, and get me censored.
But you engaged with the talk and you tried to hold me to account.
But basically, to summarize, it was like, you're saying I'm blaming all Jews for things.
And I said, no, I'm not.
And I just addressed the specific things that I have an issue with.
And you kind of said, oh, well, that's just fringe rabbis.
That's not widespread belief, you know, that sort of thing.
It's condemned by other Israelis, right?
That kind of summarizes our last talk.
Yeah, I mean, the one thing I would kind of change in how you summarized it is I don't think I accused you of saying all Jews, but I did say that your distinction isn't clear enough, and it comes off to many people listening to you as you're generalizing Jews.
And what that does to your viewers is it causes negative sentiment towards Jews in general.
And I think that's probably what I would say my biggest issue is with how you approach these topics.
But we could get deeper into that.
Well, so it's interesting because basically, is the question, you know, the mantra that we heard so much pushed by all the Christian Zionists and Zionist lobbies in America, that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.
And it's basically not allowed.
We're not allowed to oppose the Bible or religious beliefs.
But then you get to the dilemma where it's the Jewish people and the Jewish identity is so intertwined with Judaism and the history of the myths in the Bible.
So it's almost like they're protected because of that.
They're in a unique situation where you're not allowed to criticize them at all or else it's anti-Semitism.
You definitely see that going on, right?
The anti-Semitism agenda is just like the censorship, all of the organizations.
What do you think about the anti-Semitism kind of campaign?
I would say the way that activists are talking about anti-Semitism is very similar to how many woke activists are talking about racism and sexism and transphobia.
And I object to all of those because I think, first of all, they're counterproductive.
That's not the way we need to talk about hate.
And often it's not even hate.
It's just ignorance.
So I think this might be an area of agreement that the way activists talk about racism, the way they talk about sexism, and the way they talk about anti-Semitism is counterproductive and doesn't do anything to actually bring greater understanding of those issues, for sure.
Like, I would say, definitely, my conversation with you, you're causing less anti-Semitism in the world by having a conversation with me compared to some of the people that were giving you crap for talking to me.
Their tactics create more anti-Semitism, actually.
And what do you think of this?
I always talk about this.
The idea that anti-Semitism, you know, many Zionists have talked about this.
Anti-Semitism is crucial to the Jewish identity.
And it's almost like inherent in Jewishness that they are to be hated.
Like the rabbis say, Esau hates Jacob like a law of nature.
Yeah, so that's an interesting point you brought up that I've thought about a bit.
I would agree certainly that when a group is hated, that their identity strengthens.
So I think Jewish identity is certainly stronger, and Zionism certainly has more merit because of anti-Semitism.
And I think if you look at the religious texts, and as I've acknowledged, the religious text is not my strength in any way, shape, or form.
I'm an agnostic Jew.
I don't believe the Torah is the word of God in any way, shape, or form.
But it does seem like a lot of the stories of Judaism have to do with our struggles against other people wanting to kill us.
I think, though, modern-day anti-Semitism manifests itself in different ways than it did in the past.
But I think it's certainly the same in the sense that Jewish identity is stronger because of anti-Semitism.
And yeah, I would agree that I think us speaking is net positive for humanity.
I think censoring you is net negative.
So yeah, I'm big on free speech.
I think we should have conversations.
I'm willing to talk on any topic.
There's some people who I just don't speak to just because they don't engage in good faith and it's not a good use of my time and energy.
But, you know, I don't care about that.
I'll discuss any disagreement as long as I know the person's going to come to engage in good faith.
Right, right, of course.
So you said something there.
You said you're secular, you're agnostic.
You don't believe that the Torah and the Tanakh and all the scriptures are the word of God.
But then you also Said that they're all about people wanting to kill the Jewish people.
So, do you believe that it's not the word of God, but these are all historical events like Egypt and the Exodus, the Babylonian captivity tales, the Amalek attacks?
Do you think these are real things, or you believe those are all fictional as well?
Jacob.
I would say probably most of the specific stories are just mythology, right?
It's kind of like you have Noah's flood.
You have flood stories in over 100 different cultures around the world.
So, there's just stories that people tell because they might have some deeper meaning.
For me to think that something might be true historically, I'd need a historian, an archaeologist, an anthropologist.
These are the people I generally listen to when deciding what's historically true, not what's written in scripture, not the Torah, not the Bible, not any religious scripture.
I talk about the biblical character of Amalek a lot.
It's the arch nemesis, the evil antithesis to the Jews in the Bible.
And this is where they get the saying, I believe it's on Purim or Passover, where they say, in every generation, they rise up to annihilate us.
This is like the religion that people want to kill you.
And it comes from Amalek, and it's made up.
And do you see this Amalek sort of dog whistle very often in Israel?
Or just in your life, have you seen it come up, this concept?
Are you familiar with it?
No, no, I would say in general, first of all, the majority of people I spend my time with are secular, so they don't really reference religious texts.
And generally speaking, Israelis are less likely to blow the whistle on anti-Semitism.
You don't really hear Israelis talking about anti-Semitism to nearly the same extent as diaspora Jews, that's Jews outside of Israel.
But that also might be because Jews in Israel aren't facing, never really face anti-Semitism.
They say the UN and Amnesty International is anti-Semitic all the time.
I generally hear Israelis saying that they're anti-Israel more than saying they're anti-Semitic.
Yeah, again, a lot of the rhetoric you hear about anti-Semitism just it's I don't want to say non-existent in Israel, but it's way, way less common.
It's kind of a thing for primarily, I would say, American Jewish activists.
And look, a lot of them, first of all, a lot of them have faced anti-Semitism, so it might mean something to them.
But also, like, the way social media works is you'll have these activists that, you know, they get popular off of outrage.
So they're constantly looking for things that people are doing.
You could have an account with tens of thousands of followers, retweet an account with like five followers who said something anti-Semitic and make a big deal over it because it generates outrage.
It generates likes, clicks.
I'm very opposed to those people because, again, they're generating outrage.
They're not focusing on people who have influence.
They're not really focusing on what matters.
So, yeah.
It doesn't look like you go to the outrage approach, as I see here.
More like trying to have intellectual talks.
So you've been, how many years have you been doing this?
2011?
This channel started in 2011?
I might have opened it in 2011.
I started doing the weekly content two years ago.
It was two years ago, but I've been involved in different peace building initiatives between Israelis and Palestinians for six years.
And before that, a few years before that, I was an IDF soldier.
So I've had quite the process in transformation.
I definitely didn't always feel this way about the peace process and about Palestinians.
I didn't know anything about their narrative.
I thought they just want to kill us and we need to defend ourselves against them.
Now I understand it's more complex than that.
And regardless of what version of what narrative you have, we need to accept that neither people are leaving and we need to find a way to live peacefully on this land.
And yeah, about me not taking the outrage approach.
No, I'm not in it for the likes, the comments, all that.
Sure, that might give me an ego boost, but every time I do a live, I say, what positive impact can this have?
how can this positively impact others?
Because I care about impact.
I don't believe in heaven or hell.
I don't have an active belief in the soul.
I don't think I'm going to get some kind of reward in the afterlife.
But for me, it's just getting meaning in this life by living a good and meaningful life, but trying to do good.
Are you?
And you could call that agnostic tikkun olam.
I was just going to ask that.
Yeah, are you, is that something that you've thought of in your head?
Are you inspired by the fact that you're Jewish and you're following Tikkun Olam?
Is that like a serious thought that you have?
So no, no, not really.
It's interesting because when I asked myself, where did I get this spirit of activism from?
My mom's a nurse.
Okay, that has something to do with helping people.
My dad has a hot tub company.
I don't know.
Neither of my parents, none of my family members are activists.
So again, I can't point to anything in specific that caused me to be somebody who wants to make things better.
I get meaning out of it.
I like making people happy.
I feel good knowing that I'm having a positive impact.
So that's what I decide to do.
So you're not inspired by Tikkun Olam and fulfilling your Jewish destiny to be a light unto the nations and bring peace to the world?
That's not what did it.
No.
What do you think of that?
The Jews that do believe that, that that's their destiny to heal the world.
Do you think that's supremacist?
I guess it depends how it manifests itself.
The way I like to look at other religions, because when you look at all religions, you find things that are quite silly.
It seems like people believe in religion because they get a lot of meaning out of it.
So for me, it's really about people can believe stupid shit if they want, as long as they're not harming other people.
So that's kind of how I like to judge it.
If you think that your role here as a Jew is to make the world a better place and you're not harming other people, I'm okay with it.
Can I see how that might manifest itself as supremacy?
Yeah, I could see the danger there.
And I think it's – I think there's – Sometimes they even try to spin it, that it's a burden to do this.
Whereas I see it as thinking that you have the God-given right to tell the nations what to do and that, you know, stick your nose into things because it's your role to shine the light on the world in a way.
That is how it kind of plays out sometimes.
No pun intention.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, again, if white people were to if white people were to want to make the world a better place, again, I could see, you know, you see that they're called white.
It's considered white knighting.
I think that's the term, the term that's used for white people trying to make the world a better place.
Again, I don't give it much thought.
If people are helping others, I'm okay with it.
If people are harming others, that's kind of where I object.
But so, like, I think I understand where you and many other people have concerns.
It's that you see Jews as having disproportional power, and some Jews also have an intention to change the world.
And you have a concern that they want to change the world in a way that's not better for anybody but themselves.
I've seen that.
So you're concerned that this is.
I see what the messianic age looks like.
That's why I'm concerned.
Yeah.
So my objection to that is generally speaking, the Jews that hold the most power don't really believe that stuff.
And even if some Jews in power do believe that stuff, I think it's still a drop in the bucket in terms of global influence.
And I don't think they have an impact that is Concerning.
And I guess I also include Christians as part of their cabal in a way.
Zionists include Christians, definitely.
There's far more Zionist Christians than Zionist Jews in the world, actually, also.
So I see the Christians that also contributing to that power and that influence.
So I want to provide a different framing.
I think if we look at the complexity of the world, it's hard to summarize in a simple story.
And people respond well to stories.
So we have all these different stories to explain what's going on.
And you could have the anti-racists blaming it on the white man and or white people in general.
And you could have the extreme feminists blaming it on men.
And then you'll have racists blaming it on black people.
And you have anti-Semites blaming it on Jews.
I think all of these are just simplistic ways to try to make sense of the world.
I think when I look at the problems in the world, I think we have a problem with misaligned incentives.
Those who hold the power care about themselves and their families and friends more than they do the average individual.
So they're not acting in the best interest of humanity.
They're acting in the best interest of themselves, right?
So you have the media.
The media doesn't say, how can we best inform the public?
They say, how can we get them get views?
Well, you get views by selling fear, right?
Corporations aren't saying, how can we elevate human well-being?
They're saying, how can we increase profit?
They're also social engineering as well and doing propaganda.
It's not just about the bottom line.
It's also about, you know.
I would say to an extent, but that control generally also is connected to the bottom line because when they sit in front of their shareholders, you know, they need to explain why they're doing what they're doing.
So when I look at the world, I see this as an issue.
And it's not one specific group that's causing the problems.
It's those in power.
But even if you take everybody in power and let's say they disappear, those positions of power will just be inhabited by new people and you'd have very similar issues.
So I actually think most of the problems we have in the world are systemic.
They're the way our systems are structured.
Our systems are structured in a way where the incentives of those who have the power are misaligned with the common individual.
And I do think it's overly simplistic to try to blame it on one group of people.
But I also acknowledge that when it's framed as a story, blaming one group, it's more appealing.
It's easier to understand.
But it's less accurate.
And B, and maybe most importantly, it causes people negative sentiment towards that group.
Now, I'm not, you told me that you distinguish between being anti-religious Jews and secular Jews.
You say you have no problem with secular Jews.
But like, if we look at people in the chat, like, and again, I'm not saying, I know, I know very well from YouTube that I could have a peaceful conversation and chat is toxic.
But if you look at the people in the chat and how they're referring to me and how they see me, you know, you could see that there's a lot of people who hate all Jews.
Like even on the Twitter, your Twitter posts, like, let me just read a comment.
You wrote you're speaking to peace activists.
So somebody goes, by peace, he means keeping the status quo, murdering Palestinians while speaking about importance of human rights around the world.
One rule for them, another for everyone else, right?
This is a person who's assuming so much about me because I'm Jewish.
He doesn't try to meet me as people in your audience were doing similar stuff to me.
That's a cheap shot to say, you know, cite somebody I don't even know, some anonymous person online.
Well, again, I'm not blaming you.
I think that you can't be responsible for all your viewers.
But I do think that generally speaking, when we blame groups, even if we sometimes distinguish that group, it generally causes people to hate the entire group.
So we need to be very careful.
All the anti-white propaganda everywhere.
I see that when I see all the anti-white attacks everywhere.
But, you know, you said earlier that, like, I'm blaming one group of people.
I'm blaming a belief.
I'm blaming the Judeo-Christian believers for this.
And this happened to originate with a group of people that say, you know, they are the people of the book.
So it's like you can't separate the two.
So that's why I'm saying it's almost like it's shielded from criticism because they're connected.
But this is what I want to ask you.
So you're secular.
You weren't raised religious.
You were born in America.
What inspired you as a secular person to go move to the Jewish Jewish homeland and make a Liyah and join the IDF?
I was raised a staunch Zionist.
My family's, I'm 10th generation Israeli.
Secular?
Secular Zionist?
Your parents were secular?
They were religious.
Both my parents are secular, but both their families are religious.
They both, in Hebrew, you say, it's when you secularize, right?
So both my parents come from pretty religious families.
Some of my family is even Chabad.
I know that's your favorite.
But Zionism is not just a religious movement.
It's a nationalist movement, right?
So my dad.
So I don't like the term Zionism because I think the meaning is misunderstood by many people.
I support Jewish self-determination the same way I support Palestinian self-determination.
I think we need to find a way to both self-determine on the same piece of land in a way that's fair and just for both people.
That in itself can, you know, most Jews would say Zionism is just Jewish, the right to believing in the right to Jewish self-determination.
I don't know why you need a special term for that.
Is making a Liyah like a religious experience for you or at all?
I mean, you must identify pretty strongly with your Jewishness if you're living in America and you're going to decide to move to the Middle East.
Right.
So it was a nationalist decision.
So Zionism comes in the form, there's like religious Zionism, right?
You believe this is our land because God gave it to us.
And then there's secular Zionism, which has different forms.
But one of the forms is say, we have a deep history here.
We were created on this land like our people come from this land, so we have a right to live here.
And then there's a more practical version of Zionism.
From 2,000 years ago, you were there for a little while 2,000 years ago, so you have a right to come back and take the land?
Again, I'm not making this argument.
I'm explaining what the argument is.
Got it.
Got it.
You'll never hear me make this argument.
Yeah, I know.
I'm surprised.
You said on Twitter from the river to the sea earlier, I was a little surprised by that.
And I do want to ask you after you explain why you made Aliyah, next question is, and I'll ask it again if you forget, and sorry to interrupt, but what do you think is the solution?
I want to hear a quick little elevator pitch of the solution to the Palestinian-Israeli problem.
Sure.
Sure.
So I just want to touch on the more practical version of Jewish self-determination.
It's that Jews currently are living on the land.
Okay.
There's five, six, maybe closing in on seven million Jews living on the land today.
People, all people have a right to self-determine.
So it makes sense that the Jews can continue to live on the land peacefully and self-determine in a way that's best for them as long as it's not infringing on the rights of the Palestinians.
And I think Palestinians have that same right to self-determine as long as it doesn't infringe on the right of the Jews.
The framing is simplistic.
The actual solution is way more challenging.
So when I made Aliyah, I was taught from a young age that Israel is my home.
I would visit it every summer.
Most of my family lived in Israel.
I was taught that it's our military that keeps us safe over there.
And that there's certainly truth to that.
If the IDF didn't exist, we probably wouldn't be able to live here much longer.
And that's not to say that the IDF doesn't do things that are bad.
If you go on my channel, you'll see I criticize the IDF all the time.
But for me, it was a pretty obvious choice.
I was going to graduate high school and make Aliyah, join the IDF, and start a life in Israel.
I was also a big troublemaker in high school, so I figured that the IDF would straighten me up a little bit.
I don't know.
I don't know if you guys can find necessarily straighten it up.
What about Israel?
Since you don't believe in any of the Torah, so what was it about Israel and Zionism that made you so gung-ho about it, that made you want to go there right after you graduated?
I mean, so we see versions of secular nationalism everywhere.
Like, look, American pride is not grounded in Christianity, right?
You could be any religion and be a proud American.
Ukrainian pride is not grounded in Christianity.
So you can be a nationalist and be secular.
I mean, let's take a very secular country.
Let's take China, right?
There's strong Chinese nationalism, and they're atheists.
So I don't think your connection to Judaism could be one reason why you support Israel.
I get you.
You want to be a nationalist.
I'm not against nationalism.
So today, I'm no longer a nationalist.
But if you ask me what drove me when I was 18 years old, and yeah, yeah, I used to be a nationalism.
Now I understand nationalism and the importance it might play, but I think as a species, humans should transcend nationalism as best we can.
Because again, I see nationalism as a form of division.
So I'd like us to transcend it.
It's funny hearing you say that as someone that moved to the world.
Will I be called a globalist now?
Well, typical a Zionist that made a Leah that preaches no borders for the rest of the world.
Also, when I hear this, you explain the story, and I want to hear more if there's more to it.
Hold on.
I actually, I consider myself a liberal and anti-woke liberal that is, because I don't think wokeness is liberal.
I think it's regressive.
But if you want to say my position, that's probably considered the most right-wing, it's that open borders is dumb and that countries should have the right to strong borders.
I fully support that.
So yeah, let's just put that on record.
So what do you mean that you're not a nationalist then?
You think there should be multiculturalism everywhere?
I think every nation should have the right to do what's best for them.
So when I look at a country like Japan and Japan doesn't like letting in too many immigrants and they don't allow citizenship so easily, I don't lose sleep over that.
Let the Japanese do what's right for them.
So no, I don't okay with countries being nationalists.
I mean, I live in a very nationalist country.
It's just for me, it's hard to get behind it because it just seems like pride.
It's like, what are you taking pride in?
I view nationalism as not so different from religion.
Yeah, that you're not believing in all the metaphysical stuff, but you're still taking so much pride in the country you're born in because you were born in it.
So if you were born in another country, you'd have pride in that country.
It's not grounded in like a universal value, right?
Like I said, you had no control over where you were born.
Yeah, exactly.
So it's not, I'm not anti-nationalist.
I just don't connect to it.
It doesn't resonate with me where I am at the end.
But it did so much that even being secular, you still left America very enthusiastically in seas.
And this is very insightful to me because as you may be aware, there's a big thing about a trope known as the dual loyalty trope.
And I find it amazing that even a secular Jew in America raised by secular parents can be raised with such strong Zionist convictions.
And you said you were taught Israel was your home living in America.
I mean, and we're not even allowed to talk about dual loyalty without them attacking us, saying that we're anti-Semitic.
I find that surprising.
Or maybe I don't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dual loyalty is an interesting one.
Most, maybe I don't want to say most, but a significant amount of Jews living abroad have some level of loyalty to Israel.
That's true.
And it's true that in many circles, if you were to point that out, you'd be considered anti-Semitic.
I'll tell you.
At least you moved there.
It's the ones that stay here while they keep, retain that loyalty is the problem.
At least you went there.
Yeah, well, yeah, but look, you don't think Mexican Americans have some loyalty to Mexico or some Italian Americans have loyalty to Ireland?
A lot of them want to go.
Sure, but a lot of them don't want to go back and make a Leah to Mexico.
Did you not like America?
America's cool, but I enjoy my life here better, I could say.
Did you experience anti-Semitism?
Does that have anything to do with you going to Israel?
No, actually, I experienced very little anti-Semitism growing up.
I experience more now.
But again, I want to get back to this point.
It's that often there's a different standard, right?
So when you have something against a group, you're going to hold that group to a different standard.
So I think most America is meant very multicultural.
And I think every person who has heritage in another country, Palestinians, Palestinian Americans are loyal to Palestine as well.
But you're never going to hear people accuse them of dual loyalty.
So it's not that Jews don't have dual loyalty.
It's that Jews aren't so different in their dual loyalty.
Most people who have ancestry in other places take pride in that.
Why don't we see the same amount of immigration?
Well, Israel makes it very easy and gives benefits for Jews to immigrate to there.
So, you know, I'd say that probably has something to do with it.
But yeah, it's the double standard that I take issue with.
I want to ask you: how much of the Palestinian-Israel conflict do you think the cause of it is religion?
I don't know if I could put it in percentage, but do you talk about the religious conflict much on your channel, or do you focus more on secular discussions?
I focus sometimes on religion, but it's mainly issues like what we need to do in order to reconcile what borders might look like, different aspects of history, how we could build a shared future.
Again, I'm not, there are some people who make a claim from a religious place.
It's very hard for me to engage with those people because you know how it is engaging with religious people.
I could say, they say God said, so I say, well, no, no, he didn't.
Okay, where do you go from there?
But I were to say, if everybody in Israel and Palestine were to become atheists tomorrow, you would still have a conflict.
But would it be easier to see?
Would the conflict be de-escalated?
So it depends what replaces that belief.
So I don't think I'm not sure atheists are any less dogmatic.
Maybe on average, a little less dogmatic, but sometimes when you lose religion, you just become more of a nationalist.
So it really depends what replaces religious beliefs.
So if everybody becomes secular, but then becomes ultra-nationalist, probably will be in a worse situation.
If people drop their religion and become humanist and believe that all humans have intrinsic value and we should try to work to build a beautiful earth together, fine.
Then I'd say it would probably be better.
And it's funny, I use language that I know people would accuse.
That's Tikkun Olam language and that's globalist language.
It is interesting that Jews have been involved in activism.
But like it's an interesting point.
So I could say things like we should all live together as one human race.
And I could get accused of having some ulterior motive, right?
This is from a secular Jew.
And then you have other secular Jews like Bernie Sanders who probably speak similar ways.
And you've had many Jewish activists who are secular Jews doing the same thing.
And people try to connect those Jews somehow with the ultra-Orthodox Jews that have some beliefs of prophecy needing to be fulfilled.
But in reality, there's no connection.
I mean, there's a connection that we're both part of the Jewish ethno-religion.
But in terms of like what drives our beliefs, unless you want to make the claim that there's like some gene that makes us bad or different, I just don't like getting into talking about genetic differences because that opens Pandora's box to all the hate.
So much hate is grounded on looking at different races or different people as genetically superior or inferior.
But you need to see the connecting of dots that often exist in many of these circles that blame Jews for the world's problem.
They'll put me, a secular Jew, and then a Hasidic Jew in the same category as having some similar motivation when we're worlds apart in terms of values and what we're looking to do in life.
Don't you see that?
Yeah, I do see, I mean, there's a lot of like low IQ anti-Semitism out there.
I mean, there's low IQ everything out there, but of course, you can find all types of examples of just mental illness.
I mean, there's much more, I get more anti-Semitism than you do, and I'm not Jewish, and all I do is a critic of Zionism, basically.
So you don't have to, you're preaching to the choir here.
But, you know, it seems like so much of the conflict, though, really does boil down to like the Temple Mount and Jerusalem and who has possession of that because of religious reasons and like the expansions of the settlements into the West Bank.
Like this is a lot of that was pushed by Chabad Lubovich and the right-wingers and the ultra-Zionists.
And if this really is where I see is the source of so much of the conflict.
So let's try to break that down.
Yeah, Temple Mount, definitely there's religious elements there on both sides.
For Muslims, it's the third holiest place.
For Jews, it's the first.
Does that mean you deserve it?
Because you always hear that.
Do you think that means that the Jews deserve it because it's number one and only three for the Arabs?
Because that's every time somebody says that, that's what I feel like the underlying message is.
Yeah, I don't find that to be a particularly strong argument, but people do make that argument.
I think that argument is not as simplistic as saying it's our first holiest, therefore we deserve it.
It's kind of just to highlight the importance of Jerusalem to Jews.
But no, again, I'm not going to make a religious argument ever, ever.
It just, to me, religious arguments are irrelevant.
But yeah, people living here, fighting over Temple Mount is definitely connected to religion without a doubt.
The expansion of settlements as well.
Oh, by the way, but Temple Mount today is controlled by the Jordanians, right?
Yeah, yeah, the Jordanians have sovereignty over Temple Mount, which is interesting.
They're trying to take it, though.
They're trying to use Saudi Arabia and take it and move the Dome of the Rock to Mecca.
That's one of the plans I've seen.
Wait, Jordan's trying to do that?
No, the Zionists want to do that with the Saudis.
Yeah, I've never heard that.
I'll tell you this.
It wouldn't surprise me if there are some people who would like to do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, probably some people would like to do that.
When it comes to the expansion of West Bank settlements, some of that is driven by religion.
But a lot of it is also.
So a lot of that's supported for nationalist, secular nationalist, and security reasons.
So many Israelis living in Israel mainland, right?
What's on what's on the western side of the 67 borders, they would like there to be a buffer zone between Palestinians and Israel mainland for terror attacks, rocket fire.
So a lot of the reasons why there's support for settlement building, some of it is religious, but a lot of it comes down to just security concerns and the belief that the buffer zone will keep Israel.
Where was the last time rocket fire came from the West Bank?
Do you know?
There hasn't been rocket fire.
No, even during that defad, it was terror attacks.
I don't think there has ever been rocket fire from the West Bank, but that's who the people who shoot rockets are Hamas and the Islamic Jihad.
But because Israel is the controlling entity of the West Bank, they're not the sole controlling entity.
You have the Palestinian Authority, but the Palestinian Authority can't exist without Israel.
So you don't have rocket fire there because the controlling entity is Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
If Hamas were to take over, and this is the claim that many make, you know, if Israel were to pull out of the West Bank entirely, Hamas will take over.
And that's most likely the case.
They'll be able to take over the West Bank.
If they were to take over the West Bank, most likely you would have rocket fire, right?
Because they shoot rocket fire first.
Is the West Bank really at risk of being taken over by Hamas?
Isn't the PA much stronger than Hamas?
They're only stronger because they get Israel's support.
I've seen the reports that even Hamas gets Israel's support.
Netanyahu was accused of funding them through a middleman.
And they helped start Hamas.
Israel helped start Hamas.
Yeah, no, that's true.
Kind of like how the CIA funded the al-Qaeda back in the day.
Or was it the Taliban?
I don't recall.
But yeah, Israel did something similar in that they wanted to create resistance against the PLO.
So they funded what they thought would be a moderate organization and that eventually turned into Hamas.
Benjamin Netanyahu supporting Hamas, I'm pretty sure that's not a legit claim.
Like, if you were to look in it, it's probably bullshit.
I believe it was made by Avagor Lieberman.
That's the Russian politician there, right?
Am I getting his name right?
Yeah, Vigdor Lieberman.
Yeah, I mean, you could send me that.
I'll review it.
It's probably not as simplistic as what you're doing.
Fake news, fake news.
Who knows?
Yeah, well, we know fake news is rampant.
Vigdor Lieberman's an interesting guy, to say the least.
I mean, he's way more right-wing and extreme than Bibi.
Like, Bibi Netanyahu is a moderate compared to Vigdor Lieberman.
Where's Naftali Bennett on the spectrum of right of Zionist religious fanatic?
He is to the right of Bibi as well, but he is in a coalition, a very broad coalition of left-wing Jews as well as an Islamist party.
It's a very interesting coalition we have, right?
We have Palestinians in government now.
We have token Uncle Tom Palestinians.
Pardon my use of words, but that's kind of like what it is.
I actually don't agree.
I would say that the Palestinians would say so.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
You do have Palestinians that don't want any normalization.
So they would say any Palestinian that serves in government is an Uncle Tom.
But I also don't like the term Uncle Tom to refer to black Americans who, like many would say any black Republican is an Uncle Tom.
I object to that claim.
Me too.
But yeah, so Palestinians in government have way more influence than Palestinians not in government.
Palestinians have never had more say over Israeli politics than they do now.
So you could call them what you want, but these are the people making a difference.
So no, we should have Palestinians in government.
It's the first time they're in government.
And I hope we continue to see this because Israel is 20% Palestinian and they deserve representation.
So hopefully this is a trend in the right direction.
And I like the fact that it's a broad government.
You have left-wing secular Jews.
You have Bennett, who is a religious Jew, right?
You have a Vigdor Lieberman, who's a secular right-wing Jew.
And so far they're doing pretty well.
They've managed to peacefully coexist despite their differences.
I got a couple questions, and then I want to play you this Naftali Bennett clip and one other clip.
And then I want to ask you about what you think your solutions and the path forward are from what you've learned in all the discussions on your show.
So big donation from White Falcon.
They ask, how do you reconcile joining IDF with their prolific human rights violations, especially their horrific track record of killing children?
So when I joined the IDF, the only thing I knew of the IDF was that they're a heroic organization that's keeping Jews safe.
I didn't understand that there's another side to the IDF's conduct.
Did you learn?
Did you see it firsthand in your experience?
I served in the West Bank, and I'll tell you what my experience was.
First of all, you have laws of conduct, and the laws of conduct try to minimize harm.
So let me give you an example.
Let's say you're guarding on your base, you're in the West Bank, and someone is approaching you.
You're meant to yell to them to stop.
If they continue to approach, you yell again.
If they continue to approach, you're meant to shoot in the air.
And if they continue to approach, you shoot for their legs.
This is how we were trained, right?
In practice, not everybody follows this conduct.
There's abuse of power, right?
Some IDF soldiers don't like Palestinians and they abuse their power.
Anytime you have a situation where one nation's military is ruling another group of people, there's abuse of power.
And this is why our military in the West Bank is unsustainable and we need to make a tremendous effort to end it.
But going in, I didn't understand this reality.
But yeah, through my experience, I understood two things.
One, that there's an attempt, the laws of conduct try to minimize it.
It's not always followed by the people, and you don't have enough accountability or enforcement when abusive power happens.
Right?
So that's how I would say the issue with the IDF is when it comes to horrific track record of killing children.
I actually don't think most of the children who have been killed were killed through Air Force bombings.
And look, anytime a civilian is killed, especially children, it's horrible.
It's heartbreaking to see civilians, especially children, be killed.
But I actually don't think that Israel has a horrific track record of killing children.
I think if you look at, let's just compare other conflicts.
And again, different population size, but if you look at the amount of children that have been killed recently in Yemen, in Syria, and even now in Ukraine, Israel has killed, when all is said and done, has killed less children.
There's an effort to reduce civilian harm.
Again, when you're airstriking populated places, which I object to, I'm against airstrikes in Gaza.
Sometimes children die.
But it's not like you have soldiers looking for children and killing them.
That's just propaganda.
And it's propaganda that's influenced partially by blood libel, which is a very ancient anti-Semitic trope.
Okay, we got King Schlog asks, do many people speak Russian around you?
Can you speak it?
Thanks.
There's around a million Russian Jews in Israel.
Maybe it's not purely Russian, but Soviet Jews.
They speak Russian.
I do hear it occasionally, not often.
And my Russian is minimal, but not even that I learned it here.
I spent a month in Moscow and I learned a few phrases.
What made you spend a month in Moscow?
For work.
For work.
For those who don't know, I actually, my day job, I work in blockchain.
I'm big into cryptocurrency.
So my job in blockchain has brought me to many different countries.
So I was doing there for a month and I had a great job.
Go ahead.
What's up?
I was going to say, you're not involved with Unit 8200?
You were in the West Bank, not Unit 8200?
No, I was in the Golani Brigade.
Golani Brigade, what's that?
The Golani Brigade is like one of the original infantry units of in the IDF.
They're well respected.
They've lost the most soldiers in combat, Golani.
They're often sent in to tough places.
They've had many difficult battles.
So yeah, I was in that brigade.
So those are the ones that are the sacrifices, basically.
You were the fodder.
You were the cannon fodder.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I was in a special Golani unit, so technically not.
But yeah, I mean, you could frame it that way.
You could frame it that way.
But no, Golani is a well-respected unit in Israel.
They were one of the leading units in the Yom Kippur War who pushed the Syrians back.
Yeah.
I don't have much to say about them.
Like, it's not, I don't, I don't take pride in my unit.
In the army, it was a learning experience.
I'm thankful that I didn't harm anybody or didn't get harmed myself.
Do you think your time in the IDF is kind of why you're doing what you're doing now with your YouTube channel?
Does that influence it?
I would say that it gives me legitimacy to do it, right?
Israel-Palestine is not the only topic I'm interested in.
I'm interested in many topics, but I have legitimacy speaking on this topic, A, because I'm living here, and B, because I served.
My views didn't change in the army.
They changed years later, but it was actually in the IDF that I had a realization that kind of started to shift my perspective.
I was looking at, I saw a poster with different Hamas training techniques, and there's a Hamas soldier crawling through sand.
Me and my unit were crawling through sand and doing a drill that same day.
So I kind of looked at a Hamas soldier and saw myself in my enemy, right?
I'm like, if I was born in Gaza, would that be me?
Is the difference between me and him just dependent on where we were born?
Can that be?
So that really got me to start to question the family we're born in, the country we're born in, depends so much about what we believe to be true.
So the difference between us is simply where we're born.
We're all of equal value.
So that planted a seed in my mind that led me to where I am now.
But it wasn't some like horrific experience that I had in the IDF that led me to this.
It was just time.
You know, over time, I just understood that something needs to be done and maybe the military can give us some short-term defense, but I'm looking for long-term peace.
So you were in the IDF.
What was the sentiment like from your instructors or just the other soldiers?
Like, you know, what were their attitudes like towards Palestinians and any other shocking gossip you might have heard that we would be interested in?
Most of the time, we're not talking about Palestinians.
We're making jokes.
We're talking about girls.
We're talking about how much we don't want to be in the army.
The soldier is just a bunch of 18-year-olds, 18, 19, 20-year-olds who didn't join the army.
Yeah, now you're saying you don't.
Okay.
I did, but I served amongst Israelis who grew up there and didn't have a choice, right?
So, and again, I joined by choice, but it's not like I was happy every moment.
No, you're suffering for most of the time.
You don't want to be there.
Like, I remember wishing that I would get injured so I had an excuse to get out because I never quit.
I'm not a quitter.
I'm like, I'm not going to quit, but maybe I get injured and I could get out early.
Like, these were the thoughts I had in my mind.
The army, yeah, it's a bunch of teenagers.
Some of them want to be there, but by and large, it's like, you know, we're teenagers and we're just waiting for the weekend so we could get out and get drunk.
Like, that's a lot of the focus.
It's not, you don't have like deep political discussions.
I didn't experience much hateful rhetoric towards Palestinians, but I did see, you know, when I was doing checkpoints, I did see some people acting aggressively, doing things that bothered me for sure.
For sure.
It definitely exists.
What do you think about the like it seems to be kind of pervasive, this meme of the IDF pin-up girls, how they're kind of selling the IDF using the pretty girls?
Do you see that going around?
Did you see me share that video?
It went viral.
Yeah, I did.
You know, I actually so that one you shared was weird because, look, I've been out of the army for 10 years.
Maybe their uniforms changed, but the uniform that she was wearing was not recognizable to me.
I've never seen it.
It's obviously not standard issue.
It was like showing her boobs and it was like low-cut and everything.
Right.
I mean, so, but that probably wasn't even, that has nothing to do with the IDF.
That's just some like, I don't know, IDF simp or whatever.
I'm not sure.
But when you have a nation, right, with mandatory subscription, conscription, you, again, you have a bunch of 18, 19, 20-year-olds.
A lot of them are women, right?
Most Israeli women join the army.
They're on TikTok.
A lot of them are hot.
So yeah, you have like thousands of hot women in uniform posting TikToks.
So it's very easy to say that it's some like intentional propaganda, but in reality, that's just Israeli teenagers who happen to be serving are uploading shit on TikTok.
You know, that's probably a more likely explanation.
The IDF wouldn't even need to spend resources to do it.
It's done on its own.
They just need to allow it to happen.
You know, actually, after I posted that video, an article came out that the IDF is stopping their people from posting on social media, creating new rules.
I was like, oh, is this because of my viral video?
So, yeah, so I mean, there we go.
All the people that said that they're paid and stuff like that.
I mean, now the IDF is stopping it.
So, yeah, I mean.
Well, the fact that it's mandatory, that does cut there would be more girls doing that in the army than, like, say in America.
Go back to the Moscow and the blockchain now.
So, Israeli Jews are going working blockchain in Moscow, or what were you doing there?
So, I worked for a company that was based in Moscow, and I like traveling.
I like seeing new countries.
So, I am more likely to take a job in a place that will fly me out for some amount of time because it's an opportunity to see a new place.
So, that's kind of my how I spent time in Moscow.
I had a great time.
I really liked Moscow.
It's sad what's happening between Russia and Ukraine.
I hope we find a peaceful resolution to that soon.
But in terms of blockchain, let me just give a quick shout out to my new company.
I quit my job a month ago.
I launched a new project called Grateful Giraffes.
We're building a global gratitude community and lifestyle brand around the concept of gratitude.
The idea is to make gratitude practices more mainstream and accessible.
And we're going to launch a giraffe NFT collection as well for those interested in NFTs.
You guys can find that on gratefulgiraffes.com.
Giraffes.
Yeah, everybody likes giraffes.
Yeah, grateful giraffes.
Is there a reason you chose the giraffe as your symbol?
No, it's Gigi, Grateful Giraffes.
Everybody likes giraffes.
We're going to have a 10,000 giraffe NFT collection.
Those NFT holders are going to be premium lifetime members to our gratitude community.
Gigi is what my baby's grandma's name is, and it's one of her first words.
She goes, Chi-Chi, Chi-Chi.
There we go.
So she's a brand ambassador already.
Yeah.
Okay.
I got, well, more super chats before we get to the clip.
Let's see here.
King Schlog says, thank you for coming on Adam's show, Adar.
WNC says, how many people were killed by Ashkenazi during the Holodomor and Russian gulags and during the Chinese Cultural Revolution?
How many are dying now?
Thanks to Ashkenazi putting the Ashkenazi on all sides.
Why care about the magical six million number?
Okay.
Let me rephrase that a little bit and just ask you about Ukraine and Russia.
What are your basic thoughts on that?
I do want to talk to that comment real quick.
Sure.
I don't know much about Russian history, but I do know that when you think a group is responsible, you're going to start to see that group everywhere.
It's similar to when you're driving in a certain car, you begin to see that same model everywhere.
It's a form of confirmation bias.
So the woke, right, they're looking, they think white men are the problem to all the world's issues.
So when they look at the issues in the world, they see white men everywhere.
So just like you could blame Ashkenazis, you could also blame it on men.
You could blame it on white people.
You could always find somebody to blame because you're going to see those people in those positions of power.
But when you actually look at it, a fraction of the world's Jewish population are in positions of Power, right?
It's true we're overrepresented in positions of power, but 99 point something percent of Jews don't have institutional power.
So it doesn't make sense to make it a Jewish issue when it's a tiny fraction of Jews, right?
So this is the framing that I think it's very important for people to understand.
We should look, we could blame individuals.
If there's an individual doing something wrong, call them by their name.
Try to call out individuals doing bad things and try to change the systems that enable these individuals.
If people really care about making the world a better place, that's what they should do.
Single out the individual and change the system that enables them.
And I think that's going to be your question.
And I agree with that.
I think that is the right approach to do.
Because I mean, I say this all the time.
When you blame all people or when you do it in a hostile way, you're ultimately playing into their hands.
Because, like I said earlier, they use almost the anti-Semitism against us in a way.
It's almost like a trick in a way that gives them more power.
So that's kind of the way I see it playing out, especially with Christianity.
And that is the system that I'm focusing on: the Judeo-Christian Abrahamic Hebrew lies.
Yeah, I've been seeing some of that content lately.
It's interesting.
You have been watching.
I'm honored to hear it.
Yeah, not so much the videos, but again, I don't have so much time to watch video content, but I see some of the things you share on Twitter and I see some of the titles to the video.
So I get an understanding of what you're focused on.
And I see that it is broader than just Jews.
I see that it's like that ideology.
Why is it that Republicans and Democrats, it's like bipartisan support for Israel, right?
Where does that come from?
And I think this is what you're getting at.
It's something that maybe in our third session we could do a deep dive into.
I haven't investigated it.
I have some theories to where it comes from, but I'd like to look into it a little bit more, and then I think we could have a convo just on that topic.
As for Russia and Ukraine, so look, clearly invading a sovereign nation is horrible.
I hope Ukraine is able to hold off and that they win.
Because clearly what Putin is trying to do is to either arrest or kill Zelensky and replace him with a pro-Russian president.
I can't imagine that would be his goal and he would ever think he could get away with that.
What do you think his goal is?
That's a good question.
I don't know.
It almost seems like the goal on both sides is just to escalate into a big major war.
And just, you know, coincidentally, if you've been seeing any of my videos, there's prophecies all about Russia being involved as Gog and Magog in the big Armageddon War.
And just imagine the odds.
We have two supposedly Christian countries, one's invading the other, Christians killing each other.
And who's going to come in to broker the peace and mediate?
What a coincidence.
Naftali Bennett's.
Yeah, I mean, I would say Naftali Bennett is there.
First of all, it's a good photo op, but I think he was invited there because that is you need to understand how the world is split, right?
Like Ukraine in recent years has become pro-NATO, pro-the West.
And Israel's kind of playing both sides, sitting on the fence a little bit.
Do you think that they should give more support to Ukraine?
Yeah, I think they should.
At the beginning, they were very hesitant to give support.
I understand why.
And over time, they officially, they did some sanction against Russia, which is interesting because they sanctioned Russia and then Bennett went there.
But Israel is a small nation that is surrounded by enemies.
So Israel is looking for friends where they can find friends.
So they're positioning themselves to have friends with the world's powers.
So Israel would love to be supported by the U.S., Russia, and China if they can.
And what we see is here it kind of played to their benefit, at least in terms of mediating, because Russia, Israel is in good terms with Russia and Ukraine.
So they're well positioned to mediate.
I think that the reason why Putin invaded is because he doesn't want Ukraine.
He doesn't want NATO on his border, one thing.
Won't they be on the border once he takes Ukraine, though?
Yeah, well, that's a good point, but at least it gives him some buffer zone, right?
He has at least another full nation.
Well, he doesn't have the buffer zone anymore now.
Unless he takes it all, then it'll still be on the border of NATO.
Correct.
I think he miscalculated.
I think he thought it would be easier.
I think he thought a lot of the Ukrainians would cheer on the Russians, and I think he thought the Russian soldiers would be more motivated to fight.
I think he miscalculated.
He might still win.
I mean, let's be honest, he might win, but it's not clear that he will.
But I think he made a miscalculated decision.
He thought he could do regime change fairly easily.
And the U.S. does this too.
The U.S. is big on regime change.
He thought he could do regime change and make Ukraine pro-Russia.
I would say the pro-Russian argument is that NATO is trying to expand.
This is a result of U.S. expansion.
I would say there's some amount of merit to that, that if the U.S. wasn't trying to expand influence, this might not happen.
But I don't think that justifies invading a sovereign nation.
So, yeah, I hope Russia loses.
I hope Ukraine remains a sovereign nation.
And whether Ukraine is pro-U.S.
or pro-Russian, that should be a decision of the Ukrainian people.
Yeah.
And there's also a big Guiona Vilna, a famous Kabbalist rabbi in the 17th century who had supposed prophecies about Ukraine and Russia and stuff being the launching of the end times war.
And this is what some people are actually believing.
Did you see this one?
Is this possibly why Israel didn't want to condemn Russia?
Because I even saw Russia was like, oh, we don't acknowledge the Golan Heights as yours or something like that.
Basically, China and Israel can't really say anything about what Russia is doing because then look at what they're doing to Palestine, basically.
You know, a lot of people make an extraordinary person.
No, I don't think that's where, I don't think that's where Israel's silence came from.
I think it's because they view Russia as an important ally.
I think you have a Vygodor Lieberman who is Russian in government.
I think it's a calculated decision from there, but I think they got a lot of pressure from the U.S. and maybe other Western countries, and they ultimately did decide to do some amount of sanctions.
You want to hear something interesting about Hagaon Mivilna?
Sure.
My great-grandfather, 10 generations up, was actually a student of his.
And that student of his, his name is Moshe Meislish.
He was actually a spy on Napoleon.
He spied on Napoleon.
At least this is how the story goes.
I don't know if it's true, but he spied on Napoleon.
He spoke seven languages.
So he was a translator for the translator for the French, but he was really giving information back to the Russians because he was a Lithuanian citizen.
Napoleon saw that info was getting leaked, so he accused him being a foreigner.
And the other soldier said, no, Moshe, he's one of us.
He's a friend.
So Napoleon said, I will feel his heart.
And if I'm feeling the heartbeat of an exposed spy, I'll kill him right now.
And he felt Moshe's heart, and it was beating normally.
So he got to live.
And again, this is probably mythology, but this is how the story goes.
It's a very popular story in Chabad.
If you tell any Chabad, Moshe Meislish, they know this story.
So that grandfather, mine, Moshe Meislish, was my first generation grandfather who moved to Israel.
He moved from Vilna, Lithuania, to the hilltops of Hevron in 1812.
And my family's lived on the land ever since.
Hebron, right?
Is that what you said?
Yep, yep.
I've been reading these Books about Guiona Vilna.
And there's very similar stories about all of these rabbis that, you know, they had supernatural powers or did miracles or the heartbeat story like that.
Totally typical for their mythology of these things.
But yeah, apparently he said that Kabbalah and technology and in the 1700s sent first missions to go found Israel and make and to recreate the state of Israel.
So that's your answer.
Yeah.
Yeah, my grandfather came to Israel as a student of his to fulfill his, I don't know if it's prophecy or his dying wish.
Well, they believed it was prophecy for sure.
Yeah, yeah, maybe.
So that was a prior religious Zionist movement, right?
Because Heritzel Zionism was secular.
They were atheist Jews.
Heritzel.
This one came first.
This is exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
This one comes first.
It came 80 years prior.
It was a religious Zionist movement.
It was small.
It was, I think, no more than a few thousand people.
But yeah, my grandfather was part of that, interestingly.
And then he was a community leader in Hebron.
When I went to Israel, I went to Hebron and I walked in the market underneath the fences where they throw stuff down at the Palestinians.
And I went in the cave of the patriarchs also, to the Muslim side.
I did see some.
I didn't realize you've been to Israel.
I went there late 2018.
I was invited by a Palestinian group and stayed in.
Cool.
Did you like it?
Oh, it was beautiful, much parts.
I mean, the cattle gates and the checkpoints and the different roads for different people was pretty bad.
But, you know, the Palestinians were great.
The people were great.
It was sad to hear all the stories to visit the refugee camp and hear them crying that Trump cut their budget and that they're attacked by IDF soldiers and shot with tear gases and stuff.
Right, yeah.
It definitely is a sad, the status quo is a sad reality and unsustainable.
But did you make Tel Aviv places in Israel proper?
No, I was with Palestinians the whole time in Ramallah and the West Bank and one day in East Jerusalem.
Okay, okay.
Well next time come visit Tel Aviv.
I don't know if there'll be a next time.
Look at this here.
We have devout Jews in Ukraine stay to pray and await the apocalypse.
The World Health Organization.
Yeah.
Yeah, I actually want to bring up an interesting point.
You know, we hear about dual loyalty all the time.
So there are a fair amount of Ukrainian Jewish Israelis that left Israel to go to Ukraine to fight.
So that's a different version of dual loyalty.
So you even have Israeli citizens going to fight in Ukraine.
Worth noting.
Yeah, I played a video of John Hagee, the big Christian Zionist, that it was trying to raise money to transport Ukrainian Jews to Israel, trying to raise $20 million to do that.
Save the special chosen ones and fulfill the prophecy.
Okay, here.
And here's another one that I wanted to play.
World Health Organization says an outbreak is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
What kind of World Health Organization guy is going to be invoking the apocalypse?
And it's creepy because the end times prophecies do call for pestilence and plagues as part of the end times.
The birth pangs of the Moshiach.
Wait, is this.
Let me just enlarge my screen share because it is Who Health World Health Organization.
He calls it the Apocalypse.
Yeah, I recognize this dude.
Isn't he the director of the.
Yeah, I think he's the top guy.
Okay, let's play this clip real quick.
Naftali Bennett, your prime minister.
There's no one wants peace more than me, but peace will be achieved by strength, not by carving out our tiny country and handing it over to our enemies.
You're not carving out your own country.
You're withdrawing from occupied territories, which everyone in the world, including Israel's own Supreme Court, regards as occupied territory.
That's the problem.
You can't carve out stuff that's not your own.
Madi, I guess what you need to do is go back and change the Bible.
You need to change the narrative of the Bible because it's all there.
And I assume Muslims and Jewish religious state.
I assume.
Why are you calling that marriage?
Hold on, the Supreme Court of Europe.
Let me finish.
Let me just put the court to the Supreme Court to you, and then you respond.
You're finding the Judea and Samaria areas are held by the state of Israel in belligerent occupation.
That is the view of the Supreme Court of your country.
Are you saying the Bible trumps your Supreme Court?
Is Israel now a theocracy?
Let me finish.
Billions of Muslims and Christians believe in the Bible.
I assume, including yourself, I don't know.
If you want to say that our land does not belong to us, I suggest you go change the Bible first, come back, and then show me a new Bible that says that the land of Israel doesn't belong to Jews.
Okay, so if it's very convenient for you to sort of shove that away, that's fine.
Anyway, you've regarded religious education points.
You're right.
Pretty amazing, right?
The Prime Minister.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Elected Prime Minister saying something like that.
I've seen this clip.
This was around eight years ago, I believe.
It's a dumb argument.
It doesn't have any real merit.
And it's a shame that elected officials, now the prime minister, are making such shitty arguments.
But this is the argument.
It is a shitty argument.
I agree.
God is not a real estate agent.
And how convenient is that?
Yes, we're speaking for God, and he just happened to choose us and give us this land.
It's so ridiculous.
But because so many Christians and Muslims do believe it, they've been able to.
This is the reality that we're in.
Yeah, it's interesting.
It's almost like it's possible that most Zionists aren't even Jewish.
No, it's not possible.
It's likely.
Well, this is what quote-unquote anti-Semites believe, that you're not the real Jews.
You're the Khazarian imposter Jews.
Yeah, so we could talk about that, but what I meant is that the majority of Zionists are probably Christian.
Right?
Because we have 1.3 billion Christians and only around 15 million Jews.
So the majority of people who believe in religious Zionism, that it's our God-given right to live on this land, probably more Christians believe that than Jews.
Not percentage-wise, but in total.
When it comes to the Khazar theory, I mean, the Khazar theory has been disproved by genetic testing.
It's not, you know, we have enough understanding of genetics today to know that it's not true.
If you look at Ashkenazi DNA, and I'm 99.8% Ashkenazi according to 23andMe, I'm zero.
If you actually like.
Yeah, did you check?
Yeah.
100% Northwestern European mutt.
0.0.00000.
What did you say you were?
99?
99.8.
The other, the 0.2% is Anatolian, which used to be Turkey.
So if you break down Ashkenazi DNA, you see that it depends on where your family is actually from.
But it seems like 50% of Ashkenazi DNA is European, but primarily from southern Europe.
And the other 50% is Levantine, so from the Middle East, from the land of Israel, Palestine, Jordan, that area is 50% of our DNA even 2,000 years later.
So it means we had some, we did marry to some extent, either through marriage or rape, but like we definitely didn't stay purely Levantine the past 2,000 years.
But if you, DNA tests show that, you know, that that's our genetic makeup.
If you look at Jews who live in the Caucas regions where the Khazars are from, you'll see that they actually do have Khazar DNA.
Yeah, that's where they're from.
But the whole Khazar theory, I mean, that's just dumb.
What happened was Jews 2,000 years ago when the last Jewish empire or Jewish homeland be or not.
Not much of an empire.
That's wishful.
That's a rewriting of history.
No, no, no.
No, no, sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
The word I was looking for, kingdom.
My apologies.
Not empire.
Yeah, yeah, kingdom.
The last Jewish empire kingdom fell.
Life for Jews became bad in the land and over a few hundred years.
You know, they slowly left, went to different corners of the globe.
And then we returned.
But, you know, all the Jews, or not all the Jews, most of the Jews alive today are Jews that 2,000 years ago lived here on the land.
Again, what does this mean in terms of right to living here?
This doesn't give us rights over Palestinians.
I don't actually believe that, but if we actually want to talk about what the science says, that's what it says.
It's mostly the Christians that want to say you're not the real Jews because then they connect it to Revelation that you say you're Jews, but you're not because you're the synagogue.
And I don't believe this.
They want to do this just so they can say that we're the real Jews.
I don't believe in the concept of quote-unquote real Jews anyway for it to have any significance.
And I don't, you know, I don't.
I have seen actually quote-unquote anti-Semites also trying to say that Khazar theory is not true and citing DNA results also.
But I wasn't even going to ask you about that.
I just misunderstood your statement there.
Yeah, I mean, again, arguments shouldn't be made with DNA.
They shouldn't be made with religion.
Like, you know, people who don't have, who can't make a good argument using their mind, whose idea doesn't have true merit, these are the people who need to go to things like religion, other dogmatic beliefs, DNA.
No, but, you know, if you're a free thinker, you can make sense out of the world without appealing to any of these things and make a coherent argument without any of it.
So I don't care for the DNA arguments, and I definitely don't care for the religious.
You know who else loves to make those arguments?
Are the black Hebrew Israelites and the Christian identity Europeans that think it's the blacks think they're the real Jacob, the real chosen ones?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the whites think that Europeans are the real Adamic race and we're the real Jacob and you're meant to serve us.
It's just, it's mental illness.
Yeah, it's pretty.
Yeah, the black Hebrew Israelites are definitely one of the biggest perpetrators of the idea that we're not the real Jews.
I mean, that's foundational to their belief.
I actually, you know, there's a community of a few thousand Hebrew Israelites here in Israel, and I'm friends with some of them.
I did not know.
Great people.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
That's got to be a wild community.
Whoa.
What is it called?
They have a special name.
No, no, they live in Demona, and they're demon.
They are.
Probably not.
No, no.
That's.
I've heard Demona mean.
Interesting.
Oh, interesting.
You're going to need to look at that before believing it.
Probably not.
But you want to check?
We can check.
That's where the nuclear race is.
Meaning.
So they live in Demona and they are less anti-Semitic.
And I use anti-Semitic in the sense that most black Hebrew Israelites think that we're just imposters and fake Jews and bad people.
So most of them, I do believe, are anti-Semitic.
The ones who live in Demona, they have one of the highest populations serving in the IDF.
They have a lot of Jewish friends.
So they're very different from the ones you meet abroad.
So if there's a meltdown at the illegal nuke site in Demona, then they'll be the first to go, huh?
Yeah, people do say that's why they were put there, but I don't think that's true.
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt it.
It'll be like, the hills have eyes.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But if anyone wants, that's on my channel.
I interviewed one of their community, more influential young people in their community, a friend of mine.
He was actually on Israel's version of The Amazing Race, the reality TV show.
So he's pretty well known in Israel.
So he was recently on the channel.
So, okay, look at this.
Demona as a girl's name of Hebrew origin, and the meaning of Demona is South.
In the South.
It's in the South, yeah.
Now, you could see how somebody, you know, we etymology is often complex, but someone can say, ah, south means down.
Down is where hell, I don't know, where hell is.
That's where D. You know what I'm saying?
In Judaism, hell was actually in the firmament, the seven levels of the firmament.
Yeah, I don't know.
You've read much more scripture than I have by far.
Here's another question now.
Adar, you said you learned a lot from Adam's videos in your last stream.
Oh, I'm okay.
Thoroughly research information, which many Jews aren't even aware of.
Wouldn't you say it's possible you might be underestimating Jewish power and our cause for concern?
Do you think that you're underestimating my cause for concern?
That's a good question.
Thank you.
I've researched...
I've researched Jewish power because it's specifically relevant to the foundational argument anti-Semites make.
And also, let's broaden it to not just anti-Semites, but people who have nothing against Jews but are concerned that a very small group of people have disproportionate power.
Upon this research and investigation, I've concluded that Jews certainly, without a doubt, have disproportional power.
If you look at a lot of the bad things that happen in the world, you could find Jews involved.
But it's not because they're Jewish as much as because if you look at bad things happening, there's powerful people involved.
So anytime you have like any time there's going to be powerful people involved in something horrible, some of them are going to be Jews.
A disproportionate amount of them are going to be Jews because a disproportionate amount of powerful people.
Let me rephrase the question then, okay?
Look at it like this.
Not that all Jews are the problem, because that's not the argument that I make on my Zionism is a major problem.
Like, are you anti-Zionist?
It depends based on your definition of Zionism, yes.
But most Jews define Zionism as the right for Jewish self-determination.
And no, I'm not against Jewish.
I like that answer.
The way I define it, yes, you are anti-Zionist.
I like that answer.
And, you know, I had a thought before I forget it.
Just like you put anti-Semite in quotes for my headline, I'll say tikkun olam with quote Israeli peace or Israeli quote peace activist.
You know, like you're a peace activist.
Yeah, but then I would say you could do that, but I yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, I don't, I'm okay with you doing that if you want to.
I don't call myself a peace activist, but some refer to me as that.
But I want to get back to this because I do really want to be sensitive to these concerns.
I can understand why somebody would look at certain issues in the world and then naturally reach a conclusion that they have some issue with Jews.
Because Jews are disproportionately powerful, and powerful people have a disproportionate ability to impact the world negatively, right?
But I think if you actually are looking at these Jewish individuals, you'll see that it's not like they're working together.
Some of them are left-wing.
Some are right-wing.
And again, I know what you're saying.
They're united under one thing, though.
They have one common...
Correct, but there's a lot of people who are not.
true Judaism has been differentiated very strongly between Jew and Gentile.
But look, you could see how a missingerist would do the same thing with men.
Whether you look in the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, wherever you see problems, there are men.
Whenever you have rape, it's men involved.
Whenever there's violence, there's men involved.
And they all have one thing in common.
They all have a male identity.
Right?
So I view that as quite similar.
The Jews in positions of power are not in cahoots.
Being male isn't a belief.
It's not a dogmatic religion.
It's not saying that you're chosen by God to be a man.
Although the Jews do say that.
Thank God for not making me a goy or a woman or a pig.
But most Jews in positions of power are actually secular and don't believe that.
So for them, Judaism is just not have power in Israel in India.
They do, but some, but not immense.
If you look at the most powerful people in Israel, Naftali Bennett is citing the Bible.
I'd say that's kind of, you know, and pays homage to the people.
Do you know that Naftali Bennett, do you know that Naftali Bennett is the first religious prime minister we've ever had?
The first.
And in 74 years now, he's the first.
But again, you could talk about Israel, a Jewish state where half the Jewish population are religious.
Sure, you're going to have a lot of religious people in positions of power, but the concern about Jews are not about is less so about Jews in Israel.
It's about Jews that are living abroad.
And Jews do well in many countries.
So Jews are disproportionate in their power.
And then when you see powerful people doing bad things, you're going to see Jews there.
So it gives a perception that Jews are involved in all the bad things.
But these Jews are just individuals.
And them doing bad things is not because they're Jewish.
It's because they're humans in positions of power.
And we see how their incentives are misaligned.
So it's not that I don't understand where it comes from.
And I could even be sympathetic to the concern.
But I think if you actually open your mind to the complexities of the world, I think most people would then conclude it's not a Jewish thing.
It's a human thing.
It's an issue that our systems allow for misaligned incentives and no accountability for people in power who act against the interest of the common individual.
It's a common thing to think that you're the people of the Bible.
Again, but most this is two separate conversations.
You have Jews who think they're humans of the Bible, and then you have Jews in power pulling the strings.
And again, you could show instances of where you have like Putin talking to Chabad or Trump meeting with Chabad.
I don't view that as that different as like the fact that every U.S. president has been Protestant aside from like JFK and that's how they've been controlled.
Yeah, that's why I focus so much on the Zionists in America.
Because of Christians in America and of Christianity, we see stuff like this.
And it's just a short clip, and I want to get your thoughts on it, and then we'll wrap up.
Sure.
Well, you know, the biggest change I've seen in Congress is Israel literally owned Congress.
You understand that 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
And it was so powerful.
It was so powerful.
And today it's almost the opposite.
You have between AOC and Omar and these people that hate Israel.
They hate it with a passion.
They're controlling Congress.
And Israel is not a force in Congress anymore.
I mean, it's just amazing.
I've never seen such a change.
And we're not talking about over a very long period of time.
But I think you know exactly what I'm saying.
They had such power.
Israel had such power and rightfully over Congress.
And now it doesn't.
It's incredible, actually.
What do you think as an Israeli, former American, to hear the president, former president say something like that about Israeli power?
I guess my biggest challenge with that is that it's coming from Trump, and Trump is not known to be one that is extremely accurate with how he describes things.
So I think that Israel has influence over politics in America.
The same way I think Saudi Arabia has influence, the same way I think China has influence.
They have the same amount of lobbies.
And they spend the same amount of money and they have the same amount of influence?
I don't think so.
Yeah, no, no, no.
I think Saudi Arabia actually has a bigger lobby than Israel.
Yes, we could look it up, but yeah, I think they do.
China has influenced.
It's illegal to boycott Israel in America.
You can criticize Saudi Arabia all day.
Alex Jones does it all the time.
That's not true.
It's not illegal to boycott Israel.
There are certain states where BDS was outlawed, not because it's a boycott of Israel, because of certain on-campus things they did, like attacking Jews.
But again, not just on campus, it's corporations and businesses.
Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
But I think that to say that Israel owns Congress, no.
What do they do to own Congress?
Let's actually break this down.
What do they do to buy them all out to Israel, make them sign pledges to APEC, go visit the wall and bow down in front of the wall?
How do they make them do that?
It's simple.
Again, there's political pressure.
They'll fund somebody else that will serve them, like Cynthia McKinney said.
Okay, fine.
Trump knows.
He's not just getting this wrong.
This is a known thing.
And the worst part is that he's pandering and say, put me back in and I'll give control of Congress back over to Israel.
That's our president saying that.
But it's important that you made a good point because he's speaking to a Jew.
He's making an argument.
And again, Trump is not one to be accurate with his words.
He's a bullshit artist.
He's speaking to a Jew.
So he's obviously trying to appeal to him.
So to take that as some source of legitimacy, that's not how you should reach conclusions.
Let's really try to be more accurate in how we assess things.
I do think that there are foreign governments, and I think that there are foreign people who aren't American who have influence over some policy because they have money.
And when I asked you to explain how they can control Congress, you said through wealth, fine.
Jews are not the only people with money.
They control the Republicans through religion.
Hold on.
So it's not, no, it's not that they control Republicans through religion.
It's one of the reasons, I think you're looking at this backwards.
One of the reasons why they support Israel is because they're evangelical and they think that there needs to be some world war and they think the Jews need to be killed in order for the Messiah to come, right?
So like, you know, it's not that we didn't convince them of those beliefs.
They happen to believe that.
The Gentiles weren't targeted by Messianic Jews.
Where do you think Christianity came from?
Wait, wait, do you think what percentage of the U.S. is evangelical?
It's like 15%.
You think that's a Jewish creation?
You think we made them evangelical?
I think you guys made the New Testament.
I don't say you guys.
A certain group of Jews 2,000 years ago came up with it.
Yes.
And targeted the Gentiles with it.
Paul, the Gospels.
Wait.
Okay.
So all you're saying is that a Jew decided he wasn't a Jew anymore and created a new religion.
So that has that really doesn't.
But do you understand that if Paul is somehow, if that's a Jewish thing, then we're all Jews.
You're Jewish too.
Christians are Jews.
Yes, you can make that argument.
Judaism for Gentiles.
Okay, so if you think Christians are Jews, that's the thing.
They call themselves the Jewish covenant.
We're chosen now.
That's their monitor.
Hold on.
Let me finish this point.
So I think that even if Paul considered himself a Jew, it's Irrelevant.
You have, we want to know why Israel has influence over Congress.
Let's be honest, money might be one of those things, but Israel is not the only one with money.
Saudi Arabia has money.
Other rich nations have money, and they use that money to influence Congress.
Again, we're going back to the same issue that I pointed to.
You have a misalignment of incentives and a systematic issue that money should not be able to influence politics.
But the fact that it could to such a great extent, this is the problem.
The reason why Israel might have more support than Saudi Arabia is because you have a large evangelical and Christian population in the United States, and they are Zionist.
But that's not like to say that Israel did that, that's a case that I'm not yet convinced of.
I think that they're convinced of that because their religion tells them so.
So the solution is to make the U.S. less religious.
I'm in favor of that.
And them being less religious, then maybe they'll be less favorable towards Israel.
Cool.
The state of Israel funds John Hagee.
They were given him millions of dollars.
And Prime Minister of Israel gave another top Christian a private jet to go fly around and preach the pro-Israel message.
And now I've played the clip in other videos where the West Bank settler goes into Congress, goes to the Christian congressman, and says, Oh, I read him Bible verses, and he says, I'll give you whatever you need, and laughs.
It's so easy.
So it's definitely religion plays a big impact.
And it may not be that they're forcing people to be religious, but they're just that they promote the people that are religious.
Yeah, I would say perhaps they take advantage of the fact that people, right?
So if you want to see how lobbyists work, they're like, okay, how could we convince politicians of certain things?
So you could say that Jews might have an advantage in convincing certain politicians because that politician's religion views Israel and Jews in a certain way.
Yeah, I'd say that's a legitimate argument to make.
But again, all we're pointing to is an inherent issue you have in government, lobbying, and how money and people can influence political decisions unfairly, right?
It's not a Jewish issue as many make it out to be.
And I really think that the solution to a lot of like this group hate we see and scapegoating is just the more honest and accurate we are of analyzing the problems in the world, the harder it is to blame certain groups.
So that's kind of what I want to leave it at.
I mean, you could ask me another question, but we are closing in on two hours.
I have a party to get to.
It's almost 10 p.m. here.
But I was right.
You know, I do want to close.
I want to close it with that.
That, you know, everybody watching this, there's a lot of issues going on in the world.
And if you've concluded that those issues are caused by one specific group and that group can be defined by some characteristic, like a religion or skin color or gender.
Again, so I'm not speaking just to people in this audience.
I'm speaking to the audience of the woke and the audience of racists and extreme feminists.
No group of people are responsible for the world's issues.
You have a systemic issue and you have a misalignment of incentives between those who hold power and those who don't.
And clearly there's other issues, but I urge you all to investigate the problems in the world in an open mind.
And I think it would lead you away to blaming groups and you'd start to see things differently.
And also at the end of the day, whatever you think, if some group has more represented in something, you should always treat somebody as an individual.
Because even if Jews are overrepresented in power, even if Jews are involved in some bad things, that doesn't say anything about any individual you meet on the day-to-day.
And really, one of the best ways to build a beautiful world is for us to just view each other as individuals and get to know each other as individuals.
And I'll leave it with that.
Thank you.
And I do agree.
I'm not about saying that there's one group behind all evil.
It's not a monolith.
There's all types of other people with different interests and different agendas.
But I do focus on the Zionist one, which I see as one of the primary dangers that's caused the world a lot of havoc.
Adar, I appreciate you so much for coming on.
It was an interesting conversation.
Learned some things that I didn't expect to hear.
One more huge shout-out I got to give to Cube with the massive donation.
Thank you so much, Cube.
Thank thank you, Adar, for being open to discussion.
Thank you, Adam.
I appreciate all your hard work.
Thank you so much.
Awesome.
All right.
So, everybody, let us know what you think in the comments.
We'll have to do a round three, maybe, where we dig deeper into some stuff because I had more stuff to cover, but the time goes by so fast.
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