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Dec. 10, 2021 - Know More News - Adam Green
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Doooovid Returns to Discuss Christianity & Kabbalah | Know More News LIVE w/ Adam Green
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to No More News Live.
Thank you all so much for joining me once again today, Thursday, December 9th, 2021.
Another show today discussing the exposing the Judeo-Christian hoax.
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And joining me to discuss Christianity, Kabbalah, some of the research I've been doing recently.
Once again, the great Duvid returns.
Thanks for being here, Duvid.
Yeah, thanks for having me back.
Appreciate it.
I'm not sure if we're just, man, I'm hearing a slight echo.
Maybe it's just over the call.
It's not live.
I don't hear an echo.
No one else is saying it.
What's up, man?
It's been, I checked the Skype the last time we talked.
It has been a year and two months since you've been on.
Yeah, I guess, you know, Joseph Cohen, Israel Advocacy Network, you know, came at me, you know, stopped talking to you.
And, you know, COVID-19 just been locked down, reading my book, studying.
I catch your content.
I've been doing a lot of research.
You know, generally, I like your research.
Generally, I interpret more positive, especially towards Torah and Judaism, the majority of what you're talking about, but definitely appreciate your research.
Well, thank you.
Yeah, we agree on a lot, except you think it's all being driven by Hashem, and I believe it's being engineered by the people who created Hashem.
So we're going to get your thoughts on some things today.
And yes, I wanted to mention everybody, please be respectful to Duvid.
Duvid has always been kind to me over here at No More News.
He's had my back, and he puts himself out there at risk.
There's some people in his tribe that aren't very happy with him having conversations with me.
And he gets raked over the coals by some other activist for coming and having these discussions.
They'd rather just have him ignore me and call me an anti-Semite and advocate that I be censored like the rest of the anti-Semitism mob.
So we appreciate Duvid for always having these discussions.
And please be respectful.
Yeah, I put in a good word for you, I think, with Otter Weintraub.
I was just watching his show earlier today on responses to anti-Semitism.
And your show, I thought, was relatively positive.
And in fact, you were on with Charles Moskowitz about a month ago, and we discussed quite a few of these things also.
That's right.
So Duvid's hooking me up with all of these other debates to debate Jewish topics with Jewish people.
I saw you on politically provoked with the half-Jew, hopefully.
Hopefully.
Yeah, I'm booked on Monday.
My streaming partner, Church of Entropy, is going to be on Modern Day Debate Saturday, and she's a mod on T-Jump server.
So I thought maybe I could book you, maybe even coach you a little bit for some debates with actual Christians.
Well, that's why you're coming on here today, so I can get your thoughts on some of these things I've been covering because I like to hear everybody's responses to these things, objections, so I can figure out if I'm right and strengthen my arguments, basically.
I want to talk to some other Messianic Jews on this topic.
I'm going to be talking to you about Messianic Judaism.
We're talking about Jesus.
Not only is he historical, which you want to give your thoughts on, but is he Moshiach ben Joseph and what role he plays?
Is he a fulfillment and part of God's plan?
Do you think Christianity is part of God's plan?
Unquestionably, everything is part of God's plan.
I think I was the first person to share with you the Maimonides, maybe even two years ago, that said that Christianity had a purpose in spreading your Torah and to teach people about the concept of Messiah so that when the real Messiah came, that the world would recognize.
And God forbid, people like you would see that your ancestors almost had it right, but made small errors and would then be able to recognize the true Messiah.
So that's what Maimonides writes.
You're saying Christians have made a mistake knowing the truth about Jesus?
Well, Maimonides writes in the laws of kings equally about Islam and Christianity, that when the real Messiah, according to Jewish understanding, comes, that Christians and Muslims will be able to recognize.
And it's not going to be overwhelming because you'll see, because your ancestors were Christians, you were familiar with the Bible, that you'll be able to see that your ancestors just made a small error and they almost had things correct.
So, this is the book I'm reading right now.
There's a lot of fascinating insights in it.
It's Paul, the Pagan's Apostle by Paula Fredrickson.
And just a little quick four-second excerpt of explaining exactly what I'm trying to explain to all my fellow Gentiles out there: that Christianity is basically the Jewish prophetic way of conquering the world and making them all obedient to Yahweh.
Just listen to this.
That the God of Israel would conquer the West.
It was through the Septuagint that the God of Israel would conquer the West.
I agree with her.
I believe the God of Israel has conquered the West via Christianity.
And that's the point I'm trying to get out to everybody.
Are you familiar with this, Paul, the Pharisee, who was learned in the oral?
The Old Testament multiple times, but I mean, generally, I don't accept as prophecy or accurate.
I'm more Talmudic.
But look at this: King James Bible.
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision of the truth of God to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.
That's the King James Bible.
And all the other translations translate that as Christ came as a servant to the Jews.
Do you see Jesus?
Do you think Jesus is the most famous Jew in all time history?
Yeah, almost certainly, even though it's possible he didn't even exist.
But unquestionably, in the world today, especially I deal with a lot of Asians, a lot of Easterners, and Jesus may be the only Jew people have even ever heard of.
So we all know that the general consensus in Judaism is that Jesus is basically evil, right?
That's why Maimonides says that he led them towards idol worship.
He's called a sorcerer.
And actually in Kabbalah, it seems that he's linked with Satan.
Is Jesus the villain in Judaism, the ultimate villain?
No, ironically, you know, there's two main disputations in European history.
There's Yechilma Perez in front of one of the King Louis with a Jewish apostate name slipping me, and then a Dunan, Nicholas Dunan, and then there's Nachmanides in Spain.
And I think King Pedro, I have to check the name, who debates another Jewish apostate.
And in both of those cases, the European rabbis take the position that they have no clue whether Jesus existed or not.
And they're actually of the opinion that Jesus is a false history and that the Jesus in the Talmud, when they're questioned about the verses in the Talmud about Jesus, claim that it refers to a different Jesus, the famous Charles Moskowitz said, a quip of Jewish humor that is every Louis in France, King Louis, and is every Jesus mentioned in the temple referring to the Jesus of Christianity.
And it's Maimonides, who was in Egypt, who writes that Jesus was actually a false prophet and correctly put to death.
The Kabbalah coming later, I would say, is neutral on the question of whether Jesus existed or not, and would just talk about some sort of force of divine providence that is using Christianity as a way to spread the message to the world.
But I mean, generally, certainly the European rabbis are vastly majority opinion that Jesus probably didn't even exist, and it's some sort of divine providence that caused this historic false character to be raised up as a way to create some sort of message, Syap, as you call it, for the world.
But Maimonides, as I said, who was in Arab lands, does have the tradition that Jesus was actually a false Messiah and put to death by the rabbinic court.
And that he caused the exile, right?
No, no, I believe he also said that, yeah.
I may be wrong.
No, I mean, the exile was caused by our sins.
And in any Jewish tradition, Jesus is a minor character.
Either he didn't exist or he was a minor false Messiah that was executed, God forbid.
And then afterwards, for whatever reason, Jesus is raised up providentially to carry some sort of dual message, presumably Esau, the prophecy regarding the descendants of Esau, that Esau would serve Jacob if Jacob behaves properly, and Esau would bear the sword against Jacob if we misbehave.
So at some point, that Jesus, the church, possibly Rome, becomes the representative of Asov.
Maybe there are statements to claim that Jesus was a reincarnation of Asaf.
But the vast majority of the rabbinic opinion is that Jesus is largely an irrelevant character, and Christianity is raised up later as some sort of complicated divine way that God works that's beyond our understanding.
So you're telling me that the Jews that wrote the Talmud believe that Jesus is irrelevant?
I find that hard to believe, considering you would expect that there would be all types of polemics of them writing in the Talmud about why he isn't the Messiah.
But it seems like they've just almost ignored him in a way.
It's taboo to even mention his name, blot out his name like they blot out Emalek.
And yes, how he does represent Esau.
It was Isaac Luria who even said, or possibly just revealed publicly that he represents Esau.
And that's what took over Rome.
And that's what Edom is.
Not Jesus himself.
The story of Jesus, the character.
Yeah, I'm saying the movement that he represents became, so to say, co-opted by the descendants or the spiritual force of Asov.
So that Jesus himself is somewhat irrelevant to Jewish mysticism.
And for whatever historical reason, God chose Jesus providentially to represent the school of Asov.
I think Jesus is the greatest secret of esoteric Judaism and who he really is and what his role plays and how he's ultimately almost in essence like a controlled opposition double agent that really benefits the Jewish Zionist prophetic agenda.
Well, I mean, you say that as a Christian, but I'm saying relatively to a Jew, Jesus is somewhat irrelevant of a character.
And we could discuss if Jesus was a historical character, who would he have been and what would his relevance have been?
And it's the movement created around him.
And I agree with you.
Some of the Jesuses mentioned in the Talmud are referring to different Jesuses in different times.
One like 100 years before and one, I think, like 80 years after or something like that.
Jesus ben Stada.
I mentioned the famous Yechilma Perez and Nicholas Dunan disputation, I think, in the early 12th or 13th century that led to the burning of all of the Talmud in France.
It was before the printing press.
It said 12 cartloads of hundreds, thousands of scrolls.
And so for a long period of time, Christian priests were knowledgeable about Hebrew, Aramaic, and studied Talmud, and they would actually censor our books.
And we had to submit our books to the censors.
So what actually is in the original Talmud about Jesus is largely unknown.
We have the recording of the disputations in Europe Where the rabbis largely denied that our Talmud says anything about Christianity or Jesus at all.
And if you look at Talmud today, there's all sorts of notes and questions about censorship.
So it's largely a mystery.
And you could do all sorts of research.
You could postulate theories.
But in terms of historical examining documents, most of the Talmuds, God forbid, were burnt.
It led to a lot of exiles and pogroms against Jewish communities.
So the written evidence is very limited.
That's a good point.
They were afraid that they would get in trouble for what they wrote, which is why I think their actual beliefs.
Factually, there were expulsions, pogroms, and mass burnings of the Talmud.
And a lot of the questions, like I mentioned, exact same questions that you asked me.
In fact, I mentioned that at Charles Moskowitz, that I would say over 75% of the questions you asked me were posed to Yechilma Paris at the disputation in France 800 years ago.
This is why they had to kind of speak in veiled language and they had to hide things and they have oral laws and esoteric teachings that only the top initiated Kabbalah rabbis are aware of.
And I think this has been a mass deception on the masses of Jews and the masses of the Gentiles, this Christianity hoax with Jesus as the first false Messiah, the Moshiach ben David, like the firstborn son like Esau or Cain and represents the leader of the satanic, impure other side.
I mean, you know all that's true.
What I'm saying is totally correct that this is what the Kabbalah rabbis believe.
Well, the Kabbalist writings largely come about the 13th century after the burning of the Talmud and after many of these pogroms.
And as the nature of prophetic work is that it's predated, it's written to look like it was written much earlier.
If we take at words, the Zohar was written by Rabbi Shuman Bar Yochoi, but the first appearance of it occurs in France 100 years after the disputation and mass burning of the Talmud.
And you have to look at the role, what's the role of prophecy, that you have a handful of sages, Hebrew wise men, that have an extremely long-term vision about how God is unfolding the master plans and the role of the Jewish people.
And even the majority of rabbis don't really understand it.
And a lot of these books in wisdom that we read today became venerated generations after they were written, largely due to the correct, so to say, prediction and understanding that they were made.
And if you take, like, even Christopher Benjorknis was talking about Rashuman Bar Yochoi, and he said he was the only person who understood this stuff.
He's hiding in a cave.
The wisdom becomes common among Israel hundreds, thousands of years later.
There's only a handful of students, just like today, people that seriously study Kabbalah.
I studied Kabbalah under one of the most famous Kabbalah rabbis in Jerusalem, and there was only a handful of students.
I was in Mir Yeshiva in Jerusalem.
There were thousands of students.
And I went to the Sabbath meal of Rev Daniel Frisch, a Blessed Memory, who wrote a commentary on all of the Zohar.
And only tens of people went to study under him.
So even among serious rabbinic students, it's not that widely studied.
And then it's questionable what the practicality is.
Does it matter if this interpretation is correct, like we discussed in some of the previous episodes?
Like, I'm a Jew.
we have the law to follow.
The law is incumbent upon me no matter what happens to me, good or bad, whether I understand It matters because Judaism has Judaized the world with Christianity and Islam.
That's why it matters.
And they're marching us to Zion where there's going to be devastation and wars and the prophecy, which I believe prophecy is just the blueprint that they came up with for world domination that they convince the Gentiles to believe is truce with fake prophecy, magic fulfillment.
And then now they're almost willing the prophecy, self-fulfilling the prophecy in existence because they believe it and want it to happen.
Well, if we put it as a debate, put it to you and the audience as what's more likely that the prophecy is true in however these sages or prophets came on to this divine wisdom and shared it with humanity, or that these sages conspired and somehow this conspiracy came true hundreds, thousands of years later.
It could have been they had the secrets when it was written, and there was always the oral law along with the prophecy that was being made.
Or it's possible that some guy was just ranting about things and then hundreds of years later they read it.
And, you know, they're obsessed with studying over the Torah and the prophets and looking for secrets that are hidden and decoding things and having these mystical interpretations.
There's the four levels of interpretation of the Torah, right?
So they connect these things and they come up with this stuff.
So it's let me share this real quick.
This is what I'm trying to get at here.
This is Isaiah 66.
And new moon after new moon and Sabbath after Sabbath, all flesh shall come to worship me, said the Lord.
So there's prophecies all over the Torah about the whole world following Zion and Yahweh and fearing the Lord and Yahweh being the one and only jealous God of the universe rules all people.
That was the agenda.
But at the same time, there's the holy seed and there's the unholy seed of the Gentiles.
So the Gentiles couldn't just become Jewish.
So they had to set up an antithetical, evil, other side religion for the Gentiles to fulfill the Esau role with Jesus as Samael, the accuser, the prosecutor, the advocate in heaven for the Gentiles, also the role of Samael.
So the Gentiles couldn't be Jewish, but they could be this antithesis religion, and it's worked.
It's spread the Torah all over the world.
Jesus fulfilled the role of Moshiach ben Joseph, conquering the Gentiles, waging war against the Gentiles, which is what he's done.
And he's ultimately benefited the Jewish people when we see in hindsight where we're at today with all the Christian Zionists and Israel having their state and blowing up to world dominance and Israel being their greatest Shabbos Goy country because of all these Christians here.
So do you, what do you think of the thesis that Christianity is, am I right in my warnings to everybody?
No, I mean, I mean, somewhat, what you're saying is music to my ears.
And if you put it in perspective, I mean, God forbid not to be humorous, is like the scene in Animal House where they just get defeated and everything's going bad.
And says, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
So you're looking at Isaiah, Rabbi Shimon Boriochoi.
This was at the lowest point of Jewish history.
We had just been destroyed.
We had just been mass defeated by the Romans.
Rabbi Shimon Boriochoi was hiding in a cave at fear of the punishment of immediate death when the majority of his colleagues were tortured to death.
God forbid.
A lot of them had their skin raked off of raked off of them with iron combs, like public torture sessions by the Romans.
And Rabbi Shimon Bor Yochoi is in a cave teaching his son and a handful of disciples that we're still going to win.
And so, you know, we're saying music to my ears that the prophecies came true.
And is Christianity fulfillment of Jewish prophecy, in your opinion?
It's a partial fulfillment.
I'm saying that we still believe in a Messiah.
And if it's a vehicle to the fulfillment, like the exile and the ingathering of the tribes.
And, you know, say, no, I mean, Christianity is generally an opposition religion to Judaism.
According to most Jews, Christianity, so to say, I don't call it straight out a false religion, but the New Testament, the characters in the New Testament are not considered prophets.
They're not even considered sages.
Jesus is a cursed false prophet, in their opinion.
Cursed, he is.
That's disputed among the sages.
Well, anything's disputed.
That's a widespread belief.
You could argue everything is disputed by somebody.
But even in the atonement, I'm saying that maybe Jesus was a righteous rabbi who was just trying to do the right thing.
Maybe he was a zealot trying to overthrow Roman rule.
Maybe he was, so to say, a bad man that was trying to lead the Jews astray.
There's not enough evidence to give a conclusion about the matter, and Jews are split on the matter.
But it's saying the role of the New Testament and the teachings, that the majority of what Jesus said is in line with Judaism and the Hebrew prophets and even Christianity as a whole, as say it comes a fulfillment for the prophecy of Esau, that the church is the vehicle to, God forbid, slaughter us with the sword when we rebel against Hashem and to serve us when we serve Hashem.
So from Esau and Christianity is the weapon of divine punishment for the Jews, which is like the Talmud says, suffering is required to get the gifts.
Yeah, I mean, meaning to say that if Adam is Esau, if Duvid behaves properly, Adam will serve me in the sense that he'll do things for Israel and help the Jewish people.
And if Duvid behaves poorly, Adam will slaughter me.
And that's clearly what the prophecy in Abraham, according to Esau, and for the sages to later understand that the church becomes the vehicle of Esau that at the same time punishes us and rewards us based on how well we as the Jewish people behave.
You've been in some yeshivas, you've studied under people in Israel.
Who do they think Esau is?
Like, is it like I've seen rabbis say, it's Western civilization, it's all Gentiles, it's the church.
What did you learn in your own yeshiva experience?
In yeshiva, you learn that this rabbi says this and this rabbi says this.
And generally we learn law, and Esau is theoretical.
And because it's theoretical, there's going to be a whole bunch of schools of thought.
And we're going to, you know, this rabbi has this opinion.
This rabbi has this opinion.
Well, what's the general opinion?
There has to be some consensus.
Is that the prophecies like laid out in Daniel that at the end of days the world will be under dominion of two forces, Yeshmael and Esau.
And then will be the final battle.
Possibly all nations will turn against Israel.
And Israel, instead of waging war, Esau against Yeshmael, that Esau and Yeshmael, East and West, will team up together against Israel, but God will miraculously cause Israel to be victorious.
So that's pretty universal in the prophets that at the end of the day, Esau is going to represent one of these two opposing forces.
And so the majority of European rabbis and probably rabbis in totality said that first Rome, Christianity, England, maybe Germany, or the American Empire, the blue-eyed man is representative of the force of Esau.
All right, yeah, we'll get a little bit more to Esau.
We had a whole Jacob and Esau debate before.
That was our video.
Are you familiar with either of these rabbis here?
No, not at all.
I mean, when we discussed that also, it was saying like, you know, Esau and Jacob could be friends, but it's a dangerous friendship because Esau is a warrior.
Esau is in the field.
Esau is wild and so to say can't control himself.
And so to say, you could build the temple for us.
I haven't read that they're friends.
I know what happens to Esau in the Torah.
He gets beheaded by the descendants of Jacob.
Well, there's all sorts of episodes where Esau is against Jacob and the descendants, and Where Esau helps out Jacob and the descendants.
And as the prophecy said, it's based on our behavior.
Just like European history, there's long periods of European history where Jews and Gentiles largely worked in a mutually beneficial relationship.
And then there are large periods of history where there was conflict.
And God forbid it was disastrous for the Jewish people.
It's probably disastrous for the European people.
Yeah.
Judaism and Christianity and Islam have been disastrous for the whole planet.
Well, there are also large periods of time of mutual benefit and cooperation.
A little bit of that doesn't outweigh all the horrible conflict.
It's probably about equal in evens out.
And in the end of days, so to say, there'll either be a great war or there'll be some sort of reconciliation.
And if there's not a reconciliation, God forbid, there'll be a great war.
But as a Jew, I believe that we're going to win.
I know you do.
And the Christians think that they're going to win, too.
They think that Jesus is going to come back and force all you to convert or you will burn in the lake of fire.
And the Muslims think they're going to win.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, I mean, people wouldn't do it if they didn't think that they were going to win.
No one wants to be on the losing side and say, at the end of days, maybe you're saying, okay, like, I'm not so sure anymore.
Maybe you also think the Jews are going to win.
Or if you're a Jew, maybe you're getting scared and saying, oh, man, like, I'm a Jew.
I thought we were going to win, but I'm starting to get scared.
Yeah, maybe it'd be better if we didn't have these Abrahamic Armageddon end times religions where everybody wants to dominate and destroy everybody else.
What's more likely that God spoke to some ancient prophet in the Middle East 2,500 years ago and told him to blabber out this prophecy, or that somebody wrote it down and then they're just following it as like a script to follow?
What's more likely, David?
Be honest.
I think it's more likely that the prophecies and the sages had some sort of divine connection and that there is some sort of divine source that is behind the Jewish people and protects the Jewish people, although, God forbid, could also punish the Jewish people and deal with us according to a harsh hand.
Oh, that punishment is necessary to Judaism.
It's sadomasochistic.
It's all about, you know, you don't follow the Torah enough.
You will be judged.
But the Gentiles are judged far worse.
They are completely destroyed, but you will not be completely destroyed.
Convenient.
Again, let me play a little clip here.
This is Rabbi Ariel Cohen and Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira in Israel.
He says, listen to this.
About 20 years ago, I became Talmud.
Disciple of Ravi Chach Ginsburg.
So let's stop there for our own.
He's a longtime disciple of Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg.
You know him, right?
Yeah, I have his book, The Chabad Rabbi and Kecho Chavar Chabad, that you mentioned quite often.
Oh, I don't have that book, though.
I don't think I have mentioned that one.
I've never heard of it.
I have his book.
It's in like 20, 30 books.
You're right.
I have his book, Kabbalah and Meditations for the Nations for preaching Noahide laws to Gentiles.
So this Messianic rabbi here is a longtime student of the top Chabad rabbi in Israel.
Okay.
Listen to what he has to say here, and I want to get your thoughts.
He, then he continued on, the disciple Rabbi Valio said, he was surely talking about Yeshua Natzeret.
He was surely in secret basod Mashiach ben Yosef, although he was a Mamzer, because the Mamzel is to become a high priest, as it is not the right time since there was baseless hatred in Israel.
So Jesus is Moshiach ben Joseph, the high priest of the order of Melchizedek, that is also related to Metatron in Kabbalah and connects in with the Logos and Satan figures or serpent figures, I should say, of Lucifer and Light.
The secret In secret.
Do you hear that?
How the top rabbis, top Orthodox rabbis are saying Jesus is secretly Moshiach ben Joseph and working for them.
Hold on, there's a little bit more.
Yeah, but the point of what I'm asking you, here I am reading a writing by a rabbi who is not a Messianic rabbi by any stretch of imagination.
And he says here in the Hebrew clearly, who says that Yeshua of Nazareth was Moshiach, son of Joseph, became a damage to the Jewish people.
Do you believe that Yeshua of Nazareth is Moshiach ben Yosef?
Yes.
You do?
Yeah, he is Mashiach ben Yosef.
Jesus, Yeshua equal tre of Yosef.
Jesus, Yeshu, is Moshiach ben Joseph.
What do you agree with that?
No, in fact, I mean, I was in Israel and I was in Orthodox Jews for a long time.
No one ever said that Jesus was Mashiach ben Yosef.
It's because it's a secret.
You hear him say that it's a secret?
It wouldn't, if everybody knew Jesus was ultimately going to have a plot twist and be seen as the good guy, the good guy that had to do evil in the end, then it wouldn't work.
For the scam to work, they have to think he's Satan and he's evil and he's cursed and he's the cursed one that's the false prophet that made prophecies that didn't come true, that was hung on a tree, so he's cursed, represents Satan and Samael.
You say you've never seen it.
Go ahead.
It has a logic to it and it's possible with the understanding of Mashiach ben Yosef.
And, you know, I mentioned a few times, I can't even really find too much in English.
Rabbi Shtomo Karliner, I heard many times people say that he was Moshiach ben Yosef, and he was assassinated by the Russians in 1790 while praying.
He was a popular.
There's been many other that claim to be Moshiach ben Joseph and Moshiach ben David.
But I mean, Mashiach, as Rabbi Ginsburg was a follower who believed that the Labavitch Rebbe was Mashiach, but I mean, Mashiach ben Yosef gets assassinated.
Mashiach ben David succeeds, rebuilds the temple, fulfills the prophecy.
Mashiach ben Yosef gets killed and lays the groundwork for the coming of Messiah.
But it said, like, Jesus is not venerated among Jews, and there are different traditions.
Not venerated.
They love to hate him, but even the darkness and the evil comes from God and does ultimate good for them.
We have plenty of martyrs and saying that of the martyrs, you know, God forbid, that could have been Moshiach ben Yosef, Jesus is unlikely one of them.
And that's because our books don't really record much about Jesus to know whether Jesus was a sage or anything about him.
And God forbid, we have a lot of martyrs.
And some people hold that there's like a Mashiach ben Yosef every generation that there's a soul of Messiah every generation in the 36 hidden righteous people that serve the Messiah.
That a lot of people, me included, believe that the Labavitch Rebbe had the soul of Messiah, but the Labavitch Rebbe passed away.
That soul of Messiah has to pass on.
And it could also be that there's a soul of Mashiach ben Yosef every generation, and that would, God forbid, be a leading sage that gets martyred.
And whether Jesus in that generation was the Moshiach ben Yosef who got martyred, you know, God forbid, our books don't record it like that.
There's no evidence.
There might be a few Kabbalah rabbis, but I don't even think most, you know, from none of the Kabbalah rabbis studied on Durb.
What about Messianic Jews?
Like I see Messianic Jews making these cases.
Like Dr. Michael Brown, he says Jesus has to be the Messiah because the Messiah had to be killed before the temple was destroyed, as it says in Daniel 9.
And he also makes the argument that there's pieces in the Talmud that allude to Jesus being the first Messiah, because the idea of two Messiahs predates Christianity also.
And that is that Talmud teaches that the earth is going to be 6,000 years and the final 2,000 years will be the time of the Messiah.
So how could it he makes the argument if Jesus isn't the Jewish Messiah, then they're Messiah, they don't have a Messiah or something like that, or the Messiah is not coming is what he says.
Well, I mean, why Jesus was raised up to the Gentiles, if you want to put it in harsh words, as a false prophet is a mystery to Jews.
Kabbalists could give various explanations and predictions about at the end of days.
And a lot, you know, you could see Christopher Van Jorknus has read the books, and he's shown how a lot of those predictions have come true.
As you and Christopher have very clearly shown from our sages, our text is that the vast majority of the Kabbalists think that Jesus, the church, not necessarily Jesus, they just say Jesus could be largely irrelevant from the Judaic perspective, but the church itself represents Esau.
And so your opinion of whether Jesus was Mashiach ben Yosef is largely irrelevant.
And to correctly identify Mashiach ben Yosef is largely irrelevant because Moshiach ben Yosef gets martyred.
Meshiach ben David is the one that we need to identify and saying whoever has the soul of Messiah in this generation, Duvid will follow him.
Duvid will help him.
And God forbid, whoever has the soul of Mashiach ben Yosef of this generation, God forbid is going to die a martyr.
So it's largely irrelevant.
All right.
Now, let me share this: Isaiah 53, which is like some, like basically the prophecy in the Torah where they cherry-picked to create the new construct of the Jesus suffering Messiah figure in the New Testament.
And they is an amalgamation.
They mixed it with some pagan ideas so that to keep the observant Jews away, for one, and to kind of entice the pagans that they were targeting, the Greco-Roman world.
Here's Isaiah 53:5.
We'll do King James.
But he was wounded by our transgressions.
He was bruised for our iniquities.
The chastisement of our peace was upon him, and with his stripes were healed.
Okay.
It's 53, 5.
Oh, it also says he was pierced for our transgressions.
The one that was pierced, this is a significant thing in Christianity and in Judaism.
Jesus, the suffering Messiah of Isaiah 53 and elsewhere, they mention the pierced one.
This is what the Talmud has to say about the pierced one.
All right.
So on Safaria, your favorite Safaria, right?
Favorite website.
Zachariah 12.
It says, They shall lament me about those who are slain, wailing over them as over a favorite son or a firstborn son, and showing bitter grief as over a firstborn, as Jesus was the firstborn son.
And that's Zachariah 12:10, which in King James says, They shall look upon me whom they have pierced.
And Jesus was pierced with the spear while he was on the cross.
They make a point to explain that.
The one they have pierced, they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for his only son and shall be in bitterness for him, and one that is in bitterness for this firstborn.
So Jesus, the one that's pierced, as Christians believe, look what the Talmud says here.
According to this verse, the Talmud Sukkah 52A, can you see it?
Can you see my screen, David?
David?
Yeah, I'm watching on the video called Odyssey call is delayed.
The lament is for Messiah ben Yosef who was killed.
They thrust him through and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for his only son.
So it looks to me like they're saying that the Jesus figure is Moshiach ben Yosef in the Talmud.
And you might find that we have a process of the righteous who take the suffering of the generation upon themselves.
And that's why they're righteous.
And the prophets who were, God forbid, sometimes martyred by our own people, sometimes martyred by other nations.
Or, God forbid, the Jewish people, we have long lists of martyrs from almost every generation.
So we're talking about a one-time event.
Thanks to Christianity, right?
Thanks mostly.
You guys blame Christianity more than anything else for that, right?
Well, from the Kabbalistic view, it's this process of Esau.
I mean, so, okay, you're the athlete, you're the tough guy.
And if Duvid's good, you're going to use your strength and prowess to work for me.
And if Duvid's bad, you're going to use your strength and prowess to beat me up.
And so that, God forbid, that's.
We're not your pawn of punishment, David.
It's off-putting the idea that you think that I'm like some kind of divine weapon of your God that punishes you when you don't follow him.
That's the prophecy of Isaac in the Torah, that that's clearly what it says.
And it's not a one-time event, it's a description of how the world works every single generation.
And saying, God forbid, we didn't just, you know, it wasn't that Jesus was martyred and then there was never any more martyrs.
God forbid.
We have a long list of martyrs, and unfortunately, we have martyrs almost every generation.
There's an agenda right now with a growing Jewish messianic movement to promote the idea that Jesus is the return of the kosher pig and that he represents Esau and that they need to bring him back and like Hebrew roots, Judaize him and then bring in the Gentiles to become Noahides and the ones that don't want to will be destroyed.
Look at what it says in Revelation 1:7: Behold, he cometh with clouds.
Every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so, amen.
It looks to me like Revelation says that in the end times, in the second, in the second coming or the coming of Moshiach ben David, that the Orthodox Jews are going to are going to acknowledge that Jesus actually was working for them in secret all along.
Do you not see that?
Well, I mean, the Kabbalist will say that all Jews, including evil Jews of every generation, were secretly working for Hashem.
I mean, Satan himself is going to be slaughtered and the agent, it'll be demonstrated that Satan was in fact an agent of Hashem.
So not just Jesus, but all evil people will be revealed to be secret servants of the larger mission of Hashem.
At least from the Kabbalistic point of view, you're quoting from the New Testament.
I mean, does that make sense to you?
Yeah, I understand that's New Testament, but I think aspects of evil in all generations that will be shown to have some greater, higher purpose in the revelation of Hashem.
Let me show you some more of these verses, go through you.
Isaiah 53:10.
So this is about the Moshiach ben Joseph, according to the Talmud.
Thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin.
Isaiah 53, he hath poured out his soul unto death, and he was numbered with the transgressors, and he bare the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors.
Now, I know Orthodox Jews say that Isaiah 53 is talking about Israel, but I've seen the debates with Rabbi Tobias Singer and Dr. Michael Brown, and I think that Michael Brown is on the right side of the argument here.
This is describing who they, the archetypal character they created as Jesus in the New Testament.
This is what they're basing it on.
This is the story.
I mean, don't you see what I'm saying?
That from a Jewish orth, especially Orthodox perspective, these verses refer to all of our martyrs, definitely all of our righteous martyrs.
And in general, from a Judaic perspective, all martyrs are righteous.
So even if an unrighteous Jew becomes a martyr, that he will be considered righteous.
So you think Jesus is ultimately righteous then?
Well, I said all of our martyrs are righteous.
And if Jesus is one of our martyrs, Jesus was also one of our righteous martyrs.
But it's not exclusively referring to Jesus.
It's referring to all of our martyrs.
You're familiar also with the prophecy of Daniel 9 that there will be the reconciliation for inequity, seal up the vision of prophecy.
The Messiah will be cut off.
That's Jesus.
And then the temple, the sanctuary will be destroyed by the prince, which is, I believe they're referring to Satan, which is Rome.
Esau, Edom, Rome.
Satan is the guardian angel, the prince of this world, Samuel.
Because of the sacrifice, the ablation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations, he shall make it desolate, just like Jesus did.
Sent you into exile, which was part of the prophecy.
Was it not part of the prophecy to be sent into exile?
Prophecies.
I mean, these prophecies are just general that if we behave badly, bad things are going to happen to us.
So as a Jew, Jesus is not coming to say anything that we didn't know already.
And just like any generation, a righteous Jew sees bad things happening as punishment for sin.
That's how we're supposed to look at negative occurrences as punishment for sin.
Like as a Christian, you might focus on Jesus, but as a Jew, these are just generic principles of how we understand God runs the world.
But your antithesis, the villain in Judaism, is Jesus, and your narrative is that you were persecuted by Esau, which is the Romans and then the Christian world.
Jesus is definitely not a villain in Judaism.
There's a few texts, and even if he was a false Messiah that was put to death by the rabbinic court, that doesn't make him a villain.
It makes him a false Messiah.
And to say that the power of Esau comes to usurp the church, and it's saying even Esau is not our villain.
Esau is the biggest villain and taboo thing in Judaism.
Like, you're not even allowed to say his name.
You're supposed to spit and curse him.
is descended from Abraham Esau is That's why he can ultimately be rectified and ultimately is really he's the leader of the mixed multitude in a way, the heir of Rav.
Esau becomes the king of the north and if the church is the That's the point.
Split into two camps, the nations under Esau and the nations under Ishmael.
Yeah, Rome and Jerusalem.
Well, I mean, Rome and Persia.
And those are the two kingdoms that are going to survive till the end of days.
And if Rome becomes Christian, then the church is the vehicle of Esau.
And just like Muhammad or something like that, that Muhammad is the vehicle of the king of the East.
That's divine providence.
And largely, that's how God runs the world.
that's beyond our understanding, but our books talk about Esau being the dominant figure and half of the nations being under the top.
That's why I always say that.
And then they went and set up their antithesis in the heart of Rome, who was occupying them and got them within 300 years to worship their God and believe their books are holy.
Let me share this with you now.
I don't know if you've seen this.
Let me share this because we only have a few more minutes.
Ishmael is our cousin.
Muhammad is our cousin, comes from the house of Abraham.
Esau is also our cousin and comes from the house of Abraham.
Yeah, but you're also the waste product.
We're the evil firstborn like Cain, like Esau, like Ishmael, and viable to the prophecies of Abraham.
Abraham is promised to be a father of a multitude of nations.
And most Kabbalists understand Abraham was a Gentile, not a Jew.
And so, you know, saying you're my Gentile cousin.
And if you're under the dominance of Esau, you're under the dominance of my cousin that we have difficult relations with.
However, as said that it's sometimes good, sometimes bad, and that's the way it's laid out in the holy books.
Yeah, the Talmud also says Jesus is boiling an excrement.
That's one of the coded, I think that's a legitimate coded insult towards Jesus, which is not surprising if they believe he's evil and a sorcerer and he did led.
The Talmud doesn't say that Jesus is boiling an excrement.
The Talmud quotes Unklis, who happens to be a Roman convert.
Most people believe he was Nero's nephew, who has a vision of Jesus boiling an excrement.
So the Talmud doesn't say in some anonymous name.
The Talmud quotes the sage who claims to have seen this phenomenon.
It actually claims that he rose Jesus from the dead.
And it's specifically Unclus, who was a nephew of the Roman Empire that is recorded in the Talmud saying that.
Doesn't it also say that he mocked Jesus Talmud that he mocked the sages?
And that's the punishment for anybody that mocks the sages.
There's a handful of Talmud stories that are likely to refer to Jesus, and they're all stories.
And it's not like a prophetic voice where God says it records a rabbi or a sage and a story about Jesus.
So it's not like a definitive statement about Jesus.
It's a single sage recorded in the Talmud in his understanding of the events.
Here it is.
It says describes his punishment in the afterlife.
Okay.
I want to share this.
This is one of the very interesting to me.
He said he was the nephew of Tetas, but it says Uncle As the convert, nephew of the Roman Emperor.
And that version claims that he's Titus.
The point is, is that they have a negative taboo view on Jesus, except the inner circles, I believe.
But look at this now: wisdom of Solomon.
This is a pre-Christian text.
Wisdom of Solomon 2:19:22.
Look at this.
For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him and deliver him from the hands of his enemies.
Like they said, if you're really, they told Jesus, if you're really God, then have him get you down from there.
Let us examine him with despitefulness and torture.
That's what happened to Jesus.
That we may show his meekness.
Jesus is known for the meek will inherit the earth and prove his patience.
Let us condemn, condemn him with a shameful death, for by his own saying he shall be respected.
This is the important part now.
Such things they, the Jews, did not imagine and were deceived, for their own wickedness hath blinded them.
As for the mysteries of God, they knew them not.
This is what makes me think that this the Jews rejecting Jesus was a pre-Christian plan.
What?
But you're quoting the wisdom of Solomon that's an apocryphal text that's not accepted in the Orthodox Jewish canon.
This is a pre-Christian text that was apocryphal, so it was included in they were studying this.
They've got all types of stuff from this.
It was a text that's written in Hebrew.
I think it's even in Qumran in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but it's not accepted in the Hebraic canon.
So, for example, we don't learn this in yeshiva, it's not accepted as true.
Okay, you may not accept it as true, but this existed in Hebrew that this existed hundreds of years or a hundred years before Christianity, so they knew this.
This was circulating at the time.
And there we see the template, the framework for the story of the rejection of the one that is pierced, the Moshiach ben Joseph.
It's an anonymous text that predates Jesus, that we know archaeologically that this text exists, but the rabbis don't say that it's an authoritative text.
It's just an ancient text that still exists today.
It's not authoritative.
Okay.
I mean, the scholars quote it, maybe Christians quote it, but it's not included in the Pharisitic canon as an authoritative text.
I hear you.
You're making that point, but still, my point still stands that this was still considered an authoritative.
Okay, none of them are authoritative.
They're all made up, Duvin.
The Talmud is authoritative.
This is just as real as any of the other gobbledygook written down in Judaism and Christianity.
Yes, it is.
It's just an ancient text.
Okay.
This is authoritative.
According to the rabbis, they don't consider it a divine, that it doesn't have divine providence behind it.
It's just an ancient text.
Maybe, maybe they don't want everybody to see what's in it.
Maybe because it reveals the Christian template, the template for the Christianity deception.
Look what else it says.
This is 2:13.
He calleth himself the child of the Lord.
Oh, just like Jesus did.
2:16, maketh his boast that God is his father.
Oh, sounds like Jesus once again.
For if the just man be the son of God, how is he numbered among the children of God?
And his lot is among the saints, like Jesus.
Look what else It says, This is the template for the exile.
It says, in the sight of the unwise, they seem to die, and their departure or their exile taken for misery.
And they're going from us to be utter destruction, but they are in peace.
A gold, and then they're just like it says all over the Torah that you're punished in the flame of afflictions and refined as gold in the furnace.
He tried them, received them as a burnt offering.
That sounds very prophetic when you think of the Holocaust, right?
They shall shine like the divine sparks of light that they are, and run to and fro like sparks among the stubble, the stubble of Esau, right?
That will be burnt in the flame of Joseph.
They shall judge the nations and have dominion over the people.
I'm sorry, they shall judge the goyam and have dominion over the goyam, and their Lord shall reign forever.
Again, the template for the exile for the Holocaust, along right next to with Jesus.
Yeah, I'm gonna just repeat: according to the sages, this is an authoritative text.
But it was around pre-Christian times, and they were reading it, and none of them are authoritative.
Well, I mean, your opinion: I said according to the sages, that the Talmud is authoritative, the Zohar is authoritative, the other books of the prophets are authoritative.
You know, Psalms and the other books of Solomon that are included in the canon are authoritative, and this one is not considered authoritative, just like the book of Maccabees, according to the Hebrew sages, is not considered authoritative.
Okay, I get your point.
Look what else it says here.
Is this not talking about Jesus?
The righteous man stand in great boldness before the face of such that have afflicted him.
When they see it, they shall be troubled with fear and shall be amazed at the strangeness of his salvation.
The salvation for you of Jesus is strange.
They did it in a strange way.
And they repenting and groaning for anguish.
We fools accounted his life madness and his end to be without honor.
He is numbered among the children of God with the saints.
Therefore, we, the Jews, have erred from the way of truth, and the light of the righteousness hath not shined unto us, and the sun of righteousness rose not upon us.
Yeah, I don't know if you're approaching the time.
I'm saying the historical Jesus and say, of course, there are a whole bunch of texts, and there are different schools that understood certain texts to be authoritative.
So, when if Jesus was an actual character, there may have been schools that believed that this text was authoritative and more likely to follow Jesus.
Or if Jesus is a made-up character or a conglomerate of multiple characters, the people who believed that this text was legitimate were more likely, like in Qumran, I believe that they have found this text as part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Right.
They were reading them.
You know, I meant like my multiple truth hypotheses are just basic scholarship where you have to understand sectarianism and schools and why this text was not considered authoritative.
Okay, David, you've said that over and over again.
We're moving on from that point.
I got to wrap it up.
I have to go to a Christmas lighting with the family right now.
I can only do an hour sharp.
I can already hear him calling my name.
David, I'll have you back on to talk.
There's much more to get into here.
I'll have you back on next week.
How about next Thursday if that works for you?
And I just want to show you one more quick thing now.
First Corinthians, this is Paul.
We speak wisdom of God in a mystery.
This is the mystery.
He's telling the Jews this is a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world of our glory.
None of the princes of this world knew, so nobody in this world knew what happened.
For had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
So if you knew he was really your Moshiach, he wouldn't have done it.
And then where is one more important part for this show?
Come on, please find it.
I mean, we could do this again, but I mean, I'm trying to up your scholarship level where you have to, you can't just quote, I mean, you can, you just quote a bunch of random quotes without a bigger perspective.
That's what the Talmud always is.
That's what Christianity is, quoting stuff out of context, creating new fan fictions of prophecy fulfillment.
That's all it is.
Check this out.
Isaiah, this is the Orthodox Jewish Bible translation, Isaiah 11, 10 through 14.
Which shall stand for a banner for the peoples?
To him, Moshiach, will the Goyam seek.
It was always a plan for the Gentile, the Gentiles to follow the Moshiach.
And how did the Jews trick them into doing that?
By supposedly rejecting him.
The trick of the fake rejection.
So to put to set up this paradigm, this dialectic.
And it says also, he shall raise up a banner for the goyim.
That's what Christianity did.
We picked up the banner of the suffering Messiah of the Jews.
The adversaries of the Jews shall be cut off and Edom shall be destroyed.
That's what the prophecy is going to happen.
Moshiach will ultimately destroy Edom, which is Rome and the Gentiles.
What do you think there?
This is for the Christians to see, really.
Their plan was for you to follow their Messiah all along.
Well, and that's not how we would interpret the verse, but how would you interpret this?
How would you interpret this part?
The Moshiach will the Goyim seek.
Yeah, I'm saying just that the Goyim, the non-Jews, will also seek redemption of the world, will also seek the benefits that Messiah is going to bring to the world.
I mean, Messiah is going to be good for you.
It got them to abandon their pagan cultures and accept this antithetical religion, this false religion of the Jews, essentially.
Well, I'm saying that's what Maimonides is saying that in preparation for the real Messiah, that the world has came to believe in false Messiahs.
So at least they understand the concept of Messiah and kind of what Messiah is going to look at.
But no, unfortunately, the nations have largely followed false Messiahs, but it'll be beneficial when the true Messiah comes because at least you'll know something about what Messiah is supposed to actually look like.
Gotcha.
All right, Duvid.
I'm sorry to cut it short, but we got to.
Okay, great.
Yeah, if you want to do this again, and you may.
What do you think?
Interesting stuff?
You're at least fascinated by this line of inquiry, right?
Yeah, I dedicate my life to this.
And maybe we discuss the sources beforehand and get a clear picture, just like if there was a whole bunch of quotes about Adam Green or Duvid and say, like, some of them come from your family, some of them come from people who know you.
Some of them came from people who never heard about you.
There's a question of what's authoritative.
And if you're just giving a whole bunch of quotes, you have to put together a picture and even the historical Jesus.
From a scholarly level, if you're going to write a book or take place in serious debates, you have to organize the various pieces of evidence and understand your sources in a greater picture.
I think my sources and my organization was pretty good here today.
I'm showing the big picture.
Look, here it says Pierce.
This is also talking about the suffering Messiah.
This is what the Talmud says related to it.
I mean, I'm not just pulling stuff out of thin air, but I really got to wrap it up.
Duvid, I'll put all your links below.
Odyssey, BitShoot, no morenews.org.
And Duvid's got his YouTube channel.
Follow his work if you want to see more.
Any last thing before we close it out, David, real quick?
Yeah, I'm going to do a post-show, a Thursday night debate prep with my friend Church of Entropy, who's going to be on modern-day debate, actually debating against flat earthers.
And maybe we're going to try to book Adam for possibly some debates.
And I appreciate it.
People want to talk more about this.
I'll be doing a post-show in about, I scheduled for 9.30.
I thought it was going to go longer.
It's possible I'll start sooner.
Yeah, and I am booked to just do just a stream, an interview stream on Politically Provoked on 8 Eastern on Monday already.
So I'll see you guys all there.
And Duvid will be back on.
Yeah, Duvid's my booking agent.
Duvid will be back on on Thursday and we'll pick up where we left off here, investigating the Jewish deception of Christianity.
Thank you, everybody, for watching so much.
Thank you, David, for joining us once again.
And I will see you guys all again very soon.
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