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	Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, Adam Green here with Nomore News.org.
	Thank you all for joining me.
	Today is Thursday, February 18th, 2021.
	And joining me coming all the way from France.
	I have author of Our God is Your God Too, but He has Chosen Us Essays on Jewish Power, as well as from Yahweh to Zion.
	Joining me is Laurent Guyinet from France.
	He's been on before.
	We're going to be discussing his fascinating 12,000-word new article, How Yahweh Conquered Rome, Christianity and the Big Lie.
	Thank you so much for being here, Laurent.
	Thank you, Adam, for having me.
	Well, I love this article.
	I thought it was so interesting.
	You were quoting from sources that I had been reading recently, and it expands upon some of the ideas that I read about in uh Christopher John Bjorkness's new book, Beware the World to Come.
	And um we probably won't be able to get to all of it.
	It's a long article here, a lot of citations, a lot of different topics and ideas.
	But uh what why don't you start us off with just you know macro level summary?
	How did Yahweh conquer Rome and then essentially the rest of the world?
	Okay.
	Well um I'd like to begin by as a preamble to explain, you know, the um the purpose of this um uh research, because it's um it's a very sensitive issue to uh um start to you know criticize or analyze critically uh Christianity,
	you know, uh you know, from the point of view of uh many white nationalists, or you know, from the point of view of this movement, um it's very uh um uh it divides people a lot.
	Well, actually, I should all I should also start by uh uh asking uh you to pardon my poor uh uh uh spoken English.
	I I take a lot of time to polish my uh written English, so it comes out quite okay.
	But uh to speak uh I have uh I'm quite slow and uh sometimes inaccurate.
	Oh, you're perfect.
	People can people can speed it up on BitChute if they have to, but but your English is awesome, and I just gotta tip my hat to you.
	Like these excellent books that you're reading covering the topics that I'm incredibly interested in.
	English is your second language.
	Um and and you've written many books in in front in French.
	I've just got the ones that have been translated.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh anyway, so um I'm um kind of uh I I hesitate a lot, you know, to address this kind of topic.
	But you know, as I um uh evolved, you know, in my thinking about what's the problem of uh our uh civilization, and I I recently came to become more sensitive to you know the issues uh addressed by white national nationalism.
	And so I don't want to bring division, you know, and I I will be perceived, you know, if if we start to address this kind of issue, we'll be perceived as uh bringing uh division because many people feel that Christianity is an essential part of our civilization, and if you uh attack it, then you become the enemy.
	And I understand, you know, why people feel like this.
	So uh there is a uh political um uh there are political issues around this uh historical question, and I'm not particularly good at you know measuring what's good what's good or not politically.
	I I don't think as a from the political point of view, I think from the Historical point of view.
	And so I don't know if it's good to say what I say or to write what I what I wrote.
	And I I have my own opinion on the question, but I understand that some people might feel differently.
	I think my own opinion on the question on this question is it good to attack, you know, is it good to try to understand more deeply how Christianity was created, by whom and why and for what purpose and so on.
	I think it depends.
	It can be good in some uh country today, and maybe not very good in another country.
	So probably if I was Russian, maybe I would not start to undermine Christianity.
	Or I feel for Americans, it's uh in America, it's important to address this question because Christianity has become really part of the problem, and much more than part of the solution.
	So I feel uh but I would, for example, hesitate to write the same thing in France, because in France, most people who are you know aware of the Jewish question, and people who are uh trying to fight for the protection of uh white civilization are Christian, they they defend Christianity, and they they would perceive you know what I'm going to say as uh an attack.
	So, anyway, I I don't want to say more, but I I want to stress that I'm aware of the problems of addressing this issue.
	But I think anyway, if sooner or later, this problem will have to be addressed, and uh you know maybe it will take some time for uh Christians to understand the problems of Christianity, but I believe it it will be necessary.
	So this is a uh historical quest.
	The question is, you know, when was Christianity created, by whom and for what purpose, you know, uh assuming that Christianity is a is a human creation.
	That's my uh my starting point.
	Okay, I don't believe you know Christianity uh happened because some man somewhere was born of a virgin and and uh was buried and you know disappeared from his tomb or whatever.
	I don't believe that.
	And in fact, I'm also I I wonder how many people really believe it anyway.
	So I so therefore uh the question is you know, how did it happen?
	And uh there are different theories.
	So in this article, I I um got my main inspiration from a book called uh from a book by Flavio Barbiero, uh which uh was called actually I forgot the title now.
	Um yeah, rather, exactly.
	The mosaic uh what's the title?
	It'll come back to me.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, and mosaic bloodline and the conspiracy spanning three millennia.
	I just ordered the book as well, it should be getting here today.
	Okay, and uh and then after I wrote this article, I heard about uh the book and the video by um uh um Joseph Atwill, called Khaizar's Messiah, which you know uh has uh a similar theory.
	Both of these uh authors uh try to understand uh what happened during the Flavians, uh Flavian emperors.
	Uh there are three Flavian emperors, Vespasian, Titus, and then uh the younger brother of Titus uh Domitian.
	And that was in the first century from uh you know, Vespasian was a general of Nero, and he became emperor, and um in after he defeated after him and his he and his son Titus uh crushed the Jewish revolt in the 60s in Jerusalem and destroyed the temple and broke back brought back the the temple treasure,
	including this uh huge golden uh menorah that we can see on uh Titus Arch in uh Rome.
	There's a famous uh uh how do you call it Barrelief?
	Um not a not a full sculpture, but uh relief.
	Anyway, some kind of sculpture where you can see this minor.
	So uh the the theory that I presented, there are different theories, maybe we'll have time to to talk about another theory that pushes the creation of Christianity a little bit later in the second second uh century, second century.
	That's another possibility, and probably there are there were several stages, but certainly once the first stage uh was during the first century, and so uh the characters in the story are the Flavian emperors and some Jewish priests who were brought from Jerusalem to Rome by the Flavians,
	by Vespasian and Titus, as slaves, or you know, uh freed men uh quick quickly became became freed men and some were adopted into the imperial family, and the most famous one was uh Flavius Josephus, who is a you know famous Jewish historian, and uh thanks to him we know about the Jewish wars.
	He wrote a book called The Jewish Wars, and uh uh he's one of the few sources that tell us what happened.
	And uh so he was a Jewish priest who uh the way he tells the story, he he uh surrendered to Vespasian and made to him a prophecy that Vespasian is the Messiah, and he declared to Vespasian that actually those Jews who who are expecting a Messiah, uh a Jewish Messiah, are wrong because in fact the prophecies point to Vespasian as the savior of the world.
	So that's a kind of uh you know, Josephus kind of uh uh made some kind of turned Jewish prophecies upside down, so to speak, you know.
	Uh and uh it could have become a new a new religion, you know, making the Roman Empire the Messiah, you know, interpreting interpreting uh uh um Jewish prophecies as pointing to a Roman emperor, but of course uh no Jews could have uh would have accepted that, or very fewer.
	So Christianity was elaborated as a kind of alternative, in which uh so here you have two two different theories, you know.
	Uh Joseph Adwil emphasized the role played by the Romans who wanted to create a religion uh in order to neutralize Jewish messianism, which was very anti-Roman and uh and very um uh anyway, it was a very important thing.
	There was like the Barko revolt, and they kept having rebellions and stuff, so they wanted to neutralize it.
	That's what you're saying.
	Yeah, right.
	They wanted to neutralize it by pointing to a peaceful messiah who you know was killed by the you know the warmonger Jews, and uh somehow to create a religion that could be acceptable uh by uh the Jews and kind of neutralize their uh anti-Roman uh messianism.
	On the other hand, Barbiero emphasized that the uh Christianity was created not to serve Roman interest but to serve the interest of these uh Jewish priests who were some kind of aristocracy of uh you know of um from Jerusalem,
	but had now settled in uh in Rome, became very influential, very rich, benefited from uh the protection of the emperors because they had they had um uh uh how do you say um betrayed you know the the Jewish uh rebels by joining the the Romans, so they were they were favored by by the Roman Empire.
	Turncoves the Flavian family, yeah.
	Right, and so uh these Jewish priests wanted to create a uh a religion uh that would convert ultimately Rome to some kind of uh Jewishness, you know, Christianity being a religion for the Gentiles, but a religion that would recognize you know the Jewish people as some kind of chosen people and so on.
	So maybe Barbiero and Atwil have different viewpoints, but you know, are looking at the same reality.
	Maybe there was some kind of pact between the Flavian family who were also parents and friends with uh very powerful Jewish families, the Arabs, they were you know kind of half Jewish,
	at least they intermarried a lot of uh Jewish um uh royal um priest, and uh and the Alexanders who were uh uh an aristocratic Jewish family from Egypt.
	So these families, the Vespasians, the uh Alexanders and the Herods somehow conspired to create Christianity.
	That's one theory, but anyway, yeah.
	That's how I can I can summarize uh the theory.
	I don't know if it's clear enough.
	Well, you uh I you know your statements in the beginning, I agree with you that this is a not a popular opinion.
	Uh in the anti Zionist, anti-Jewish, anti conspiracy, Masonic groups, it's Christian Christianity definitely dominates it.
	And many people believe that Christianity is the only thing that is opposing Judaism, and uh but as you said, Christianity has become and has possibly always been part of the the problem because it it's uh it validates uh the Torah,
	it validates the notion that they were once chosen, and I just wanted to share something real quick to show how subversive this idea is and what the fruits of it are today.
	This is a clip I put out this week.
	Some of you may have seen it, but check this out, Lorraine.
	I don't think you have.
	Every good thing we know, all the things we love about the Bible, they were given to us of the Jewish nation, Israel.
	Their people, the Jews, are better than all of us, they're better than all of us, and you need to accept that.
	A lot of people hate Israel, the Arab countries, and they want to drive.
	So we get to stop it right there.
	The idea, even if you believe, I think you write, like, even if you believe that they were once chosen, you're still elevating them to a divine status.
	And they wouldn't have gotten Israel without Christian Zionists, they wouldn't be in the position, they wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Christianity because that's always kept them separated and persecuted, which fulfilled their prophecies of being persecuted.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's um that has been explained and uh shown by uh Jewish uh scholars, you know, uh Judaism somehow survived thanks to Christianity.
	So being in the chosen people, even uh and at the same time the cursed people, you know, it doesn't matter if you're cursed or not, you know, the point still remains that uh Jews are regarded as having been the only nation chosen and loved and protected by by God, you know, by the Almighty Creator of the universe.
	So that has always been uh some uh very strong symbolic power.
	Uh I I say it's like an aura, you know, around around every Jew, and actually uh it's almost subconscious.
	I think if if you reflect, you know, on uh the the almost magic power of Jews, you know, to when they speak, you know, they are they can speak as prophets because they are the they are the people of uh who through whom God spoke, you know.
	There's all kinds of uh there is a spiritual power behind this notion of being chosen by God, which uh very deeply influenced people, and as you say, of course, it applies to the Jewish people, it applies to Jerusalem too, you know.
	I mean, Jerusalem, nobody would care about Jerusalem if if Jesus was not born and crucified there.
	Um, you know, Islam would not have existed anyway.
	So you know, the notion that uh Jerusalem is a center of the world has been somehow adopted by Christianity.
	Christians somehow believe, you know, even in the Middle Ages, you know, they may when they try to represent the world, you know, sometimes they put Jerusalem at the very center.
	So yes, of course, if we think about it, there is no way that Israel could have been recreated as a nation in Palestine without Christianity.
	So I I try to, I think one way to look at it, the way I try to look at it is in terms of cost and benefit, you know.
	Today is Christianity good for white identity, you know.
	Well, you know, we can look at it as in terms of uh the cost and benefit, but we can also look at it in the same terms when we study history.
	If we if you look back at history, uh you may you you might think that Christianity was you know the the most important aspect of uh our civilization of European civilization, but you know, it's not it's not that clear.
	So what I try to do also is try to see uh what Christianity has cost us in terms of our capacity to uh preserve our identity, especially against Jewish aggression, for example.
	And uh from that point of view, I think uh, you know, I don't know if you want to talk about this now, but there are different aspects that we can see in Christianity which have been a very uh destructive for white identity, you know, and I think it's important to recognize that otherwise because if you care about white identity, if you care about white civilization, you're not gonna be able to do it.
	It's important to ask it's important to ask whether Christianity is an essential part of it, and the only and uh a necessary part of it, or if it's if it has been in some way um a poison,
	or you know, well, what the Kabalists believe is that every nation has a guardian angel in heaven, and if they can get the nation to stop believing and worshiping in their native gods and their deities, that their divine protection will go away, and then their culture and their nations will disappear.
	And I've seen this sentiment so many times from rabbis.
	They brag that their traditions last on and that they're still here and they've been persecuted, but they've that but they've outlasted the other empires and nations, and they say this is because you know they uh they abandon their their gods and their and thus their cult their culture, their myths, and uh the lessons that they learn from those things, and then um so so that's that's another aspect of it.
	Yeah, so I think that's very right.
	So if the Kabbalah uh sees like sees things like this, then they must see Christianity as uh a weapon to destroy uh white identity, because it seems like one of the purposes of Christianity, even from the Romans' point of view was to break down nationality.
	You know, the Romans as uh from the time they started to expand in the east and absorb Syria and uh even part of Arabia, they wanted to absorb people who were not white in the sense of Indo-European, you know, they were from a Semitic uh culture.
	Uh so they had a problem of uh nationality.
	So Christianity was not the only actually uh thing they were they thought about that, they tried different things, but finally Christianity was one way to break down nationality because Christianity says, you know, your national nationality doesn't count, it doesn't even exist, you know.
	As soon as you become Christian, you are part of the church, you're part of the new blood lineage of Christ, you know, the new the second Adam.
	And so the as Paul said, there's there are no Jews, no Greeks, and so on.
	The problem is, in fact, it breaks down all nationalities except the Jewish one, because in the gospel, you know, maybe there are no nationalities or in the New Testament.
	But still, the Jewish people is unique, you know.
	So in the Old Testament, you have you have a book, you know, uh a whole bunch of books that emphasize nationality.
	In the Old Testament, there are only nationalities, only nations against nations.
	You know, it's not a story of individuals, it's a story of a nations against nations.
	So for the Jewish uh culture, nationality is essential, but in Christianity it's nothing, you know, it disappeared.
	And uh so from this point of view, uh Christianity is a problem, you know, no question about it, because it's uh against nationality, and it's also fundamentally individualistic, you know.
	The the message of Christianity is uh your salvation is purely individual.
	There is nothing, there's only individual salvation, you know, there is no collective salvation.
	I mean, I I don't want to get too much into theology, but I think uh it's not difficult to understand that uh in the Christian uh salvation theory, your salvation does not depend on your ancestors,
	does not depend on any kind of solidarity, and uh and there are no collective souls, you know, there is no notion in within Christianity of uh of uh collective beings which can be eternal, only only individuals are eternal, and plus your your salvation, your individual salvation does not depend at all on what you do on what you achieve.
	In fact, you know, the the ideal of the Christian is uh the saint, and the saint traditionally is a man who um uh uh uh pulls himself out of the world, you know, he has nothing to do with the world, you know.
	The the best example I can think of is Saint Anthony.
	You know, Saint Anthony was born in a in a rich and uh big family, he he gave away all his riches to the poor.
	He he destroyed you know what his ancestors, his parents and grandparents had built, you know, and he retired to the desert and he didn't want to see anybody.
	So he he uh understood that to meet God you have to be alone, you know, you don't need God by creating community or so on.
	So anyway, of course, it's more complicated than that, but there is a very uh deep individualism, a spiritual individualism within Christianity, which ultimately is not uh helping us to even think of our of our um of ourselves as collective beings,
	part of uh part of a lineage, part of uh of a race, you know, part of a genetic um being, you know, so that makes us that's our weakness.
	Yeah, that's certainly one of them.
	And and you know, I I see in the chat, and I hear this all the time, that uh the the only countries that ever threw out the Jews or opposed the Jews or persecuted the Jews was Christian countries.
	And that's not true.
	Before Chris, the Christianity, there was all the pagan world was anti uh anti-the Jews.
	And um they rabbis make it very clear, they actually prefer Christian anti-Semitism to pagan or atheistic anti-Semitism.
	This is what Maimonides say, this is what they they uh they talk about all the time.
	Sure, yeah, yes, this is true, it's very clear.
	Um the Romans had a big Jewish question, you know, or Jewish problem.
	They they had uh the thought a lot about How to solve this Jewish this problem of this nation who is uh impossible to assimilate.
	And so there was a lot of anti-Semitism.
	And uh ancient anti-Semitism was very simple, you know.
	The Jews were regarded as uh as uh pervert because of their religion, because of their God, who was uh psychopathic god who hated all other gods, you know.
	So intolerant that Yahweh was intolerant and uh and um couldn't couldn't uh coexist with other nations' uh religions.
	He was the jealous god that taught to destroy all other religions.
	Yeah, so it was not the racist kind of anti-Semitism.
	Uh you know, most Romans understood that the problem with Jews is their religion, their God.
	And that's why they were thinking about how to create how to how to transform this religion, because obviously they would not give it up, so the only hope was to try to uh uh reshape their messianic expectations,
	and uh Christianity was uh one way to do it, but somehow paradoxically Christianity did not convert the Jews finally, well, in the beginning it it spread through the Jews, but ultimately he converted the Roman Empire, and that's the irony of it.
	If Christianity was created by the Romans for the Jews, you know, finally it became a religion for the Gentiles, so maybe the plan went wrong somewhere.
	Or it was a Trojan horse the poison pill by design, and just now after the end of the age and the persecution, now that they have their state of Israel back, now is the time for them to get rid of Christianity, convert some of the believers to Noahides,
	and then eliminate the uh Amalek, which they believe are basic basically the uh atheists who don't believe they don't believe you uh anyone that doesn't believe that Jews are chosen and that the Torah is the word of God, you are Amalek, and you must be ill completely eliminated.
	Right.
	So just just uh because this is so important.
	You saw you cite this in your article, uh Eli Ravage, Jewish author Eli Ravage, 1928 article, a real case against the Jews.
	And i is it true?
	Did you did you say in this article was Eli Ravage the uh biographer of the Rothschilds?
	Um I mistaken there.
	Maybe I'm not sure.
	I I found this uh article from 1928, right?
	Something like that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You gotta hear this Jew talk about how Christianity conquered interesting article, uh, how Jews conquered the Gentiles with Christianity.
	It's amazing.
	So we're just gonna play this quick little bit here.
	Okay.
	We made you the willing and unconscious bearers of our mission to the whole world, to the barbarous races of the earth, to the countless unborn generations, without fully understanding what we were doing to you.
	You became the agents at large of our racial tradition, carrying our gospels to the unexplored ends of the earth.
	Our tribal customs have become the core of your moral code.
	Our tribal laws have furnished the basic groundwork of all your August constitutions and legal systems.
	Our legends and our folk tales are the sacred lore which you crooned your infants.
	Our poets have filled your hymnals and your prayer books.
	Our national history has become an indispensable part of the learning of your pastors and priests and scholars.
	Our kings, our statesmen, our prophets, our warriors are your heroes.
	Our little ancient country is your holy land.
	Our national literature is your holy Bible.
	What our people thought and taught have become inextricably woven into your very speech and tradition until no one among you can be called educated who is not familiar with our racial heritage.
	Jewish artisans and Jewish fishermen are your teachers and your saints, with countless statues carved in their image and innumerable cathedrals raised to their memories.
	A Jewish maiden is your ideal of motherhood and womanhood.
	A Jewish rebel prophet is the central figure in your religious worship.
	We have pulled down your idols, cast aside your racial inheritance, and substituted for them our God and our traditions.
	No conquest in history can even remotely compare with this clean sweep of our conquest over you.
	I mean.
	Where is that not true?
	Yeah, perfectly true.
	And I think I'm surprised.
	I'm wondering if how many Jews see things like that, because most Jews would say, no, Christianity is the enemy of the Jews.
	But, you know, obviously not everybody agrees.
	And this author, what's his name again?
	Eli Ravage.
	Rabbit, yeah.
	You know, Maimonides agrees.
	According to Maimonides, you know, Rambaum, their top rabbi in this article here, he says that Maimonides views the two major religions, Christianity, which came from Esau and Edom, and Islam, which came from Ishmael, the waste products, the derivatives they believe, as necessary preparations for the coming of the Jewish Moshiach and the universal worship of God that will follow.
	Maimonides states that thanks to both these religions, Christianity and Islam, quote, the world has become full of the ideas of the Messiah, the ideas of the Torah and the ideas of the commandments, so that these have spread to far away far away islands and to many dim-hearted nations.
	And now they discuss these ideas and the commandments of the Torah.
	Both Islam and Christianity are far better than the pagan religions, and both of them are a far cry from the truth of God's only Torah.
	And then there's one more.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, uh I think uh that's the way I look at it today, you know.
	Uh Christianity has been uh great um help for uh in the Jewish uh plan to conquer the world, which is the plan which is in my opinion written you know explicitly in the old testament.
	Uh it has uh that's why you know I'm not very convinced by the idea that Jews are trying to establish a no Noah Noah Hide Noah Noahide laws.
	Yeah, because Christianity is it there already, you know.
	I mean, uh there's nothing there's no real need for something more than Christianity to Well, they'd still consider Christianity idol worship once it's they've used it and they've used Esau to subjugate the whole world, and then in the end, the Jews or Jacob will rule over all, and that's when they convert, they switch everybody in the end of the age to destroy Christianity and have them be Noahides.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	And uh the Holocaust religion is probably uh one stage also in this uh in this plan, because we are now being converted to the Holocaust religion, which is uh new uh kind of uh conversion.
	Uh almost like the Jewish nation as the sacrifice or the suffering Messiah to a degree, and then here just one more quote from this um Maimonides article.
	It says they consider Islam and Christianity to merely be stepping stones in humanity's path to true divine enlightenment.
	Stepping stones.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well one thing maybe I could um uh argue with this article, though, is that uh according to this uh this uh author of this article, you know, Christianity destroyed our gods, and uh I I think more importantly that more importantly than our gods, Christianity destroyed our um our mind, our native way of thinking.
	Because I'm I'm not a kind of neo-pagan, you know, I don't believe that by finding you know our ancient ethnic gods and trying trying hard to believe in in their existence, we will save ourselves.
	But I believe there was within the Greco uh the Greco-Roman world, uh a philosophical tradition that was uh essential to uh to our way of uh thinking and our way of uh looking at the world and our way of uh understanding our role into the world,
	and that philosophical tradition, I think is was best represented by uh Platonism, and it is what I would call today idealism, you know, uh our capacity to to um to idealize.
	Anyway, I I think anybody everybody can interpret that the way they want, you know.
	But uh I think and and that's I I think that's important because this tradition is not dead, you know, it could be revived.
	That's why I'm not advocating a return to paganism.
	I don't think that's realistic.
	I don't think that's uh I just don't think that's realistic.
	But the pagan gods the pagan gods are as real as Yahweh, that's what I believe.
	Can you repeat that?
	The the pagan gods are as real as Yahweh, as not real, not real, created by man.
	Exactly, exactly.
	That's true.
	Um one of the reasons I'm saying this is also because I feel one of the problems of Christianity is that paradoxically, people are Christian don't understand that, but Christianity is responsible for atheism, for the spread of atheism and the spread of materialism in the sense of our vision of the world as purely materialistic, you know.
	Uh very simply because the biblical god and uh the the god of the old testament, which is the god of the new testament, too, is simply ridiculous.
	You know, any rational person cannot believe in its existence.
	So century after century, people started to finally wanting want to get rid of this god, and we found ourselves we find ourselves today atheist, an atheist civilization.
	Not because we abandoned Christianity, you know.
	In fact, Christianity itself made us uh lose our capacity to think about spiritual realities, whether you want to call them gods or uh platonic ideas or whatever, you know.
	You know, it's funny, the the early pagans and Romans called the Jews atheists.
	Yeah.
	Sorry to interrupt, go ahead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Uh they called the Jews atheist, and they could have called the Jew also materialist in the philosophical sense, because um that's another aspect of the question.
	But uh they care about their materialists because they care about this world, and whereas Christians live this life for a salvationism for an afterlife.
	Yeah, there's no I I try to show that in the other articles, but there is no notion of another in biblical Judaism.
	There is no notion of an eternal soul for the individual in uh in Genesis or in uh the old testament.
	They believe in the world to come, that's what they call the world to come, which will be the Jewish messianic age with a real king of the world, their Moshiach, the anointed one, and and they will have they will feed off the riches of the Gentiles, that's what they believe on this in this world.
	Yeah, somehow, but the the point I'm trying to make is that uh for in the Jewish uh vision in the Jewish um you know uh world view, only the people is eternal, the nation is eternal, Israel is eternal.
	And so this is a tremendous strength of the Jewish people, you know, to have created such a collective being with a with an eternal soul.
	Whereas Whereas in Christianity, of course, in the past it was the church.
	You know, the church was this kind of collective being where you are reborn and you become part of it and so on.
	But you know, now that the church is somehow disappearing, we are left with only individuals looking for their own individual salvation.
	We have lost our capacity to think of ourselves as collective beings.
	And Platonism had that capacity to help us to think in terms of nations as collective beings, as ideas, with a big I in the Platonic sense.
	I don't know if you understand what I'm talking about, but I'm talking about feeling ourselves part of a collective being.
	You know, which is an extension of the family into the clan, into the tribe, into the nation.
	Thinking of ourselves as individuals, as genetic beings, beings who belong to some kind of organic whole.
	You know, we have completely lost this.
	We are incredibly individualistic.
	And this is ultimately the one of the effects of Christianity, I think.
	It puts uh atomized individualistic cultures or nations are put at a disadvantage when competing against other groups that are highly ethnocentric and collectivized.
	Exactly.
	And they have a hostility towards the outgroup.
	Exactly.
	We have uh weakened our um immune system, you know, as a collective, as an organic uh collective being.
	And it has Christianity has other subversive aspects, like teaching you to love your persecutors, to submit to the authority of the government.
	How about this Romans 15, 27?
	Gentiles shared in the Jews spiritual blessings, so we're grafted in, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.
	And then, of course, Old Testament, curse them and you'll be cursed, bless them and you'll be blessed.
	This is this is set up for, I mean, even though it wasn't always the case, it was almost inevitable that we would reach the point we're at now where much of the Christian world are Zionist fanatics, they look at Jews as God's chosen people,
	and it's it's so sad because Christians, any when we try to reach Christians and show how this is subversive, or we try to expose the old testament and the jealous genocidal Yahweh deity that they created, they go, Oh, you don't believe in the Jewish religion, you don't believe in this in the Jewish Torah, you're a Jew.
	That that's the idea, like uh E. Michael Jones puts out.
	Anyone that doesn't believe in Jewish messianism is a Jew.
	So it's almost like a defense mechanism built built in.
	Yeah, yeah, that's that's sad, that's true.
	That's why it's important in my view to um uh to do historical research into Christianity.
	That's why I'm interested in you know, the research around uh the historical Jesus and so on, because then you can try to you can understand and you can explain and show that you know Christianity is a is a human creation.
	I mean, the story about Jesus being born of a Virgin Mary, for example, you can explain to people, well, sorry, it's not in Mark, in the Gospel of Mark, which was the first gospel written, so it must have been invented later, you know.
	This kind of argument, I think is necessary to awaken Christians because when you criticize Christianity, you when you are speaking to a Christian, you're speaking to someone who believes that Jesus came out of his tomb.
	Well, what can you say about that?
	The only thing ultimately is to try to explain to him that well, maybe it's not true, maybe it was uh maybe it was alive.
	Uh unfortunately, I feel today it's necessary to try to be shake, you know, shake up and wake up uh Christians because otherwise we're doomed.
	So as you say, there's there's uh you know what I would what I would call the programmed um how do you say that um um helplessness, yeah, something like that you know within Christianity because the the ideal that Christians are supposed to imitate is a guy who was crucified by Rome under Jewish pressure.
	You mean what kind of model is this?
	You know, in my latest article, I I compare this with the the attempt by Adrian to create a world religion centered on Antinius.
	Antinius was the guy who represented uh white perfection, you know.
	He represented, he incarnated white uh beauty and uh you know nobleness and youth.
	And if you compare that to the to the picture of Jesus on the cross, you know, uh psychologically, I think uh I started to realize it's incredibly depressing, this religion, depressing in the sense of making you lose the will to fight to survive, you know.
	What you want is to imitate Christ, do you want to be crucified?
	And uh, you know, I mean it's incredibly uh spiritually weakening in a sense.
	I agree, and and they offer immortality, basically salvation, eternal eternal um either eternal punishment or you know, salvation in heaven, and this is fear-based.
	This is an imaginary solution to an imaginary problem, and it has I mean, I think it's just disastrous.
	The reason that Israel and Jew have Jews have so much power, especially over America, you look no further than Christian Zionism.
	Yeah.
	Why do we um let me ask you?
	You you quote from uh the Jesus puzzle here.
	Can you talk a little bit about how the first uh the first Christians like Paul, what uh what's interesting about Paul's letters, uh his version of Jesus, and then how the uh how the gospels and none of the church fathers talked about the gospels to like the year 150 and and how that kind of developed.
	Yeah, well, yeah, that's uh so that's a late development, a recent development of uh historical research into uh the birth of Christianity.
	I was not aware of this development.
	Uh I uh many years ago, maybe a few decades ago, I I started to be interested in the research into the historical Jesus, actually about 30 years ago, and uh you know, I got into what they called the Jesus seminar, you know, all these scholars who try to understand you know who was the real Jesus, uh what did he really say, and what he probably did not say, and so on.
	And so I had no idea that actually there was even a slight possibility that Jesus uh did not really exist.
	And then recently I discovered that the the theory that Jesus is a fiction, uh is not new, but recently there was a lot of uh new arguments, and it uh it made a lot of sense.
	I read a few books, and one of the the guy, yes, who who kind of reopened the debate and uh and brought new arguments and kind of started a new school of uh Jesus research was Earl Dorothy with the Jesus puzzle, did Christianity begin with the mythical Christ.
	So to summarize the theory, uh I'm gonna do my best, but uh it's it's a very convincing book, and uh one version of the book can be found on the internet, you know, for free.
	So it's a great, great read.
	And uh, well, the main point, if I remember well, is that uh the problem is that the earliest form of Christianity is found in in Paul's letters.
	You know, these are the earliest Christian sources we have from the From the 50s, I think, huh?
	From the middle of the first century, because the Gospels were written later.
	Everybody agreed that the Gospels were, you know, written at least at minimum, the first one was not written before 70 AD.
	And probably later.
	Some people say, in fact, the second century.
	But in the in Paul's letters and in everything around Paul's letters, in all the different bits of pieces we we can find that inform us about this earliest form of Christianity, there was no question of a g of a historical Jesus.
	A Christ who was some kind of divine power, who brought salvation, revelation.
	And the question of whether this Christ had been incarnated sometime in history, in some place in Palestine, was almost non-existent.
	In the earliest letters of Paul, which are supposedly authentic, because some are later fabrications, Then it seems like Christian Christ, Jesus is already some kind of God.
	And this is very difficult to explain historically, that a historical person could be transformed in such a radical way in such in such a short time.
	So that's the main argument, and there are other considerations around that.
	And the conclusion is that well, Christ was some kind of or Christianity was some kind of mystery cult centered around a divine being called Christ before it transformed itself into a religion centered on the story of a historical person.
	So in other words, Jesus is a fiction built around a myth, the myth of Christ.
	So if I explain it like this, probably it would sound to many people like it would have sounded to me just a year ago, unlikely.
	But in fact, the arguments are quite strong.
	And then there are other authors who develop also the same kind of approach to Paul himself, because there are also questions about the historical Paul.
	So these questions, these historical questions are so serious, such a serious challenge to the core of Christian faith.
	the problem of Christianity, it's a religion that relies on historical fact.
	You know, there was one guy called Jesus and he was born of a virgin and he died and he was crucified, he was crucified, he was put in a tomb and he was raised from the dead.
	But if the whole, if the historical claim itself is false, then what happens with Christianity?
	I mean, it has no foundation whatsoever.
	Well, whatever.
	So you know, this historical research has always been perceived by Christian as an attack, but you know, this is history, you know.
	And for centuries, Christians would burn you at the stake for questioning these kind of things.
	They would burn books that said these kind of things.
	There's there's much uh pagan writings that were destroyed and we don't have anymore because they didn't want them circulating anymore.
	It also you talk a little bit about the uh early Gnosticism, the uh what did you write that the Orthodox Church said that Gnosticism was heresy, but that's some evidence shows that there was the idea of a of a celestial Christ consciousness was existing long before uh Jesus was uh the time of Jesus.
	Yeah, yeah, in fact, if I to summarize the the thesis of Earl Dorothy, the best way is to is to say that in fact, according to this theory, gnosticism was the earliest form of Christianity, you know, and gnosticism is not interested in a historical Jesus.
	Gnosticism is only interested in uh you know Christ as a divine being.
	So gnosticism, uh theory was not uh um uh uh a development from orthodox Christianity, but orthodox Christianity was rather a development from Gnostic Christianity.
	And about gnosticism, there would be a lot to say, and I have not yet completely finalized my uh I have not yet understood everything.
	But I recently read new uh research on Gnosticism because my uh knowledge about the issue was a bit old, you know.
	I I had read Hans Jonas' book and uh a few and uh and uh few other books, but recently it seems like most scholars agree that Gnosticism is basically a Jewish uh tradition, with of course roots perhaps in Mesopotamia,
	perhaps in uh Greek uh Platonism somehow, but basically it is a Jewish uh uh development, and I found that quite interesting because in some way gnosticism is uh uh the core the gnosticism in in a in a in a sense is a religion that draws you away from the world, right?
	Because it teaches that the world, the physical world was created by an evil god.
	So it seems to me that orthodox Judaism teaches that the world was created by Yahweh, Yahweh, but many Jews feel that Yahweh is an evil God.
	So if Yahweh created the world, then the world was created by an evil god, and that became the starting point of gnosticism, you know, which was a Jewish reaction to this Jewish nonsense, you know, and Gnostics started to develop the theory that yes,
	that the cosmos was created by an evil god, and this evil god is Yahweh, and then they also started to develop the idea that the serpent of Genesis, you know, the serpent who tricked Adam and Eve into uh disobeying Yahweh.
	Well, in fact, he is a good God, you know, and in Gnosticism, he's sometimes uh identified to Christ.
	So, you know, this duality between uh uh Judaism and Gnosticism is one of one example, you know, um of uh of kind of Jewish uh dialecticism, uh you know, Jewish uh um I would not be able to.
	Dialectism, that's it.
	I want to add on that.
	It's like Christianity is the antithesis to Judaism, but they both come from the same, they share a common origin.
	They're basically a split of two separate cults, and even though it's the antithesis and they're opposed to one another, it's still on the same reservation.
	It's still based upon the Jewish prophets and the Jewish Torah.
	And if if people want to be triggered and say, oh, well, they weren't Jewish, it's what is it, Hebrew, Israelite, whatever you want to call it, whatever word you want to use, it's still the same thing.
	And if you're Christian and you believe in you, if you're Christian and you believe that it's true, you you can't deny that this is a cult of human sacrifice.
	That's what this is.
	You believe the the crucifixion of Christ, they call him the Passover Lamb.
	Who celebrates Passover?
	What is Passover over about?
	The Hebrews, uh, you know, the Hebrews uh the Exodus leaving Egypt.
	They also compare Jesus to the scapegoat, Yom Kippur blood sacrifice ritual.
	So Christianity is completely based upon and is essentially Jewish.
	And a lot of people have problems with that, it creates like an identity crisis.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, people have problems with that because they are locked into this dialectical um dead end, you know, where uh you know, if you're not Christian, then uh then uh you're atheist.
	Uh you know, and uh they cannot see beyond Christianity as an alternative to Judaism.
	And only if you start to see this dialectic uh relationship, then you start to want to think away from it.
	And then you understand that this dialectical relationship also is responsible for the spread of atheism because it destroyed our capacity to think spiritual things out of this biblical paradigm.
	You know, we have lost our spiritual senses, our spiritual intelligence.
	And I'm personally, you know, I found some kind of answers in the tradition of what some people call natural
	religion, which is basically the way that philosophers in general try to, the way they try to think about God and, you know, the afterlife and religious issues away from the biblical paradigm.
	And I mean, you know, Rousseau, Jean-Jacques Rousseau was one of the representatives of this tradition.
	But in England, there was John John Locke became a very important thinker in this direction.
	All these people, bored, hated atheism.
	You know, they wanted to criticize Christianity, not from any atheist point of view, And they felt uh atheism is uh just as bad or even worse than Christianity, but they understood that atheism was a result of Christianity because who wants to believe what kind of rational person, intelligent rational person, want to believe in this ridiculous grotesque biblical God, you know.
	So we by rejecting the biblical God, we we ended up uh atheism.
	So they tried to reconnect with ancient Platonic or uh other uh ancient traditions of philosophy, and uh and I and this was also the uh I wrote an article around about the life of Robert Robespierre because he was uh a disciple of Rousseau, and uh he's very misunderstood, uh misunderstood figure.
	Most people uh think of him very negatively, but it's very interesting to uh read his arguments against Christianity because he he was against atheism during the French French revolution.
	I I don't want to take too much time, but it's it's uh I feel an uh interesting uh historical situation during the French Revolution.
	There were not two camps, you know, there were three camps from the religious point of view.
	There were the Christians, they were the atheists, and then there were people like Robespierre who who fought against the atheist and against the Christians uh loyal to Rome.
	And he what he reproached to Rome in particular, and that's that's also another problem of Christianity historically, is that uh Catholicism in France at least meant loyalty to a foreign power.
	So if you're a Christian, you cannot be completely loyal to your own people or to your own nation because your first loyalty goes to Rome.
	Of course, for Protestant, in fact, that it was one of the reasons of the German uh Protestant reform, you know, to break away from this loyalty to Rome.
	And uh so this anyway, this uh tradition of natural religion is something I feel maybe uh good to rediscover, to explore,
	and uh I'm I like scientists like uh I don't know if you have ever heard about Rupert Sheldrake, for example, who is a kind of uh a biologist who uh like other biologists, you know, of the intelligent design uh tradition uh who try to think about God or think about the the divine or the the divine uh mind or the the you know the the soul of the world,
	you know, as some people used to call it, you know, the anime anima mundi, all these kinds of ideas which can uh bring meaning, you know, to our world, but liberate us from the biblical poisonous paradigm.
	Does that make sense?
	Sorry, I was on mute.
	If you guys want to ask a question in the chat, just type it in all caps, and then I'll uh I'll try to if I see it, I'll I'll ask it.
	Um I want to ask you, you write about Christianity as a syncretic religion.
	Can you expand upon that a little bit?
	Well, yeah, in fact, um, when you were uh when we were when I was listening to this uh ravaged guy, uh this ravage article, he said uh we destroyed your gods, and uh you know now you worship uh you worship Jewish uh Jewish Messiah and uh Jewish mother of the Messiah.
	But you know, I thought, well, it's not completely true because if you think about Mother Mary, for example, the Virgin Mary, well, historically she's supposed to be a Jewish woman, but nobody ever thought about her as a Jewish woman, you know, she was just Mother Mary in uh all the representation of Mary did not represent her as uh as uh Jewess.
	So she was directly integrated into Christianity from pagan um goddess, you know, pagan goddesses like Isis or uh Ashira, Shira was from Syria, but uh you know, other other kind of uh great mother goddesses.
	So that's one of the that's the most perhaps the clearest uh example of uh syncretism uh within Christianity.
	So of course, uh we could also look at Christianity from this angle and say, well, let's keep in Christianity what's what belongs to us, you know, and what belongs to us within Christianity can be, for example, uh the cult of Mary.
	I mean, the cult of Mary is no different from the cult of Isis, you know, and it's quite uh well known that, for example, uh in uh all around the Mediterranean Basin, uh, there were statues of Isis um giving milk to the young Oris who was a son of uh Osiris and Isis,
	and uh you know, these statues became the model for the representation of Mary with uh the infant Jesus.
	So, you know, why not?
	I mean, we could we could look at uh what's in Christianity, what was uh very superficially Christianized, we can also de-Christianize it and uh you know recognize all this as part of our tradition.
	Anyway, the question is not to erase Christianity for from our history.
	The point is to recognize to ask ourselves is Christianity now a problem or or part of the solution?
	Can it help us to save our civilization or or or is it uh uh a burden for us?
	You know, that's the question is a question of survival of uh white civilization.
	So there are different things that can be discussed around that, but the main question is to recognize what Christianity has cost us in terms of uh our capacity to survive as a civilization.
	So a minute ago, when I said that uh that it's a religion of human sacrifice, I saw in the chat somebody say, Oh, it's not a human sacrifice, it's it's God sacrificing.
	So you believe that it is God sacrificing himself to himself to fulfill his laws, and that makes sense to you.
	I'd like to see somebody explain that.
	And also I see in the chat that uh they say Jews hate Christianity, they hate Jesus.
	Uh, can you comment on that a little bit?
	Why would they create a religion that they hate so much if it benefits them?
	Well, yeah.
	Well, I think very important point to understand that most many Jews understand actually.
	I I think that even uh Derchovitz, uh what's yeah, Derchevitz Alendars?
	Yeah, I think he wrote it in one of his recent books.
	He he says, and uh many Jews would say that the Jewish community is held together by the hostility of the Gentiles against them and by the hostility of the Jews themselves against the Tentiles.
	It's a religion of separation.
	Jewishness cannot survive, you know, without hostility, without being in an hostile world.
	We have been proclaimed because it's in the in the biblical DNA, you know.
	If you read the old testament, that's systematically the situation that God uh punishes the Jews whenever they start to assimilate.
	The essence of Judaism is the refusal to assimilate, you know, the will to remain separate among the people where you dwell.
	This is the essence of it.
	So there is no better environment than a Christian environment to keep the Jews as a collective entity, you know, and every elite Jew knows that.
	That's why they need anti-Semitism.
	You know, and that's why when there is no anti-Semitism, they have to create it, or at least they have to give the Jews the impression that it's all around us, all around them.
	You know, that everywhere they are surrounded by anti-Semites.
	It's necessary because when Jews start to feel they are surrounded by anti-Semites, then they start to stick together, and they become easy to manipulate to pull into one direction or the other.
	And it creates the atonement.
	The uh redemption and the persecution, that's part of their uh religious aspect of it as well.
	Yeah, and that that's the essence of the Holocaust religion.
	That's the purpose of it.
	Yeah, to keep the Jews in a state of paranoia.
	They must feel that uh you know, every European nation, that white nationalism by itself is a deadly enemy, you know, because white nationalism means Hitler.
	You know, this is uh this is the message that they are receiving all the time all the time.
	The the Holocaust is essentially just a uh playing out of the Pyrram story, that the Amalekites and Haman, the the evil leader were gonna slaughter the Jews, and then they triumphed over their enemies and slaughtered them.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	So they um so Christianity was a blessing for for um Jews in in this way, you know, in this sense, because it they it's with Christianity they had it both ways.
	You know, on the one hand, Christians recognize them as the chosen people, the only nation that God chose, because uh and uh and uh at the same time Christianity was an environment hostile to the Jews,
	so perfect to keep the Jews uh stuck together under the under the control of their uh of their rabbis or uh whatever elite I have a good clip of a rabbi explaining this.
	Let me play this real quick, Lorraine.
	As the name we have been proclaimed as the nation of God.
	For that, we have suffered terribly in the past.
	We still the Jewish people still suffer from anti-Semitism and all the things and the persecution that still follows till today.
	Why?
	So that we should remember whom we are, so that we should be kept different than all the nations.
	Anti-Semitism is such a cruel thing against the Jewish people, because Jewish nation did not did not do anything wrong against the the humanity of the world.
	In fact, quite the contrary, they benefited any country which had a Jewish population in it.
	Any country which got rid of the Jewish population went down and slumbered in the world After being very successful, and yet the world does not recognize any of this, and anti-Semitism continues to go on.
	Unfortunately, even though there are many non-Jews who recognize that, and of course, they deplore, they deplore this situation.
	No question about it.
	But at the same time, in the character of the non-Jewish world, it is known, like our sages said, Halakhahi Aesav Son Elaku.
	It's a law of nature that Esav, which means, of course, it's the name, the identity of the non-Jewish world.
	They hate the Jewish people.
	But we have to keep in mind, we Jews have to keep in mind that the reason God wanted that this way is so to so that the Jewish people will know that we are different.
	If so, he says Esaub hates Jacob, that means Rome is Edom and Esau hates them and keeps them separate.
	Well, a little bit more here.
	We are considered to be the nation of God.
	To be the nation of God is not easy.
	So that we should remember that we have been separated from the nations.
	The prophecy says that one day the nations will recognize that and they will join also.
	Hopefully, but right now we still hear about so many cases of anti-Semitism, especially now again, after two thousand years of persecutions and killing and massacres and things that are so cruel, unbelievable.
	But one thing is our consolation.
	We are still here.
	We are still alive, as we say, Am Israel Khay.
	They're still here and all the nations, Babylon, Persia, Rome, Germany, all the people that persecuted them ended up being destroyed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The idea that anti-Semitism is a vital necessity for Jews, you know, is directly coming from the Bible because in the Bible, Yahweh is constantly telling his people that they must not assimilate.
	And in a sense, the nations with whom they want to assimilate will become, will destroy them.
	So, you know, they must keep separate.
	They must hate them.
	You know, all the traditions, the gods of uh Gentiles, of the Gentile's people among whom they they dwell.
	So you know it's it's it's in the Bible, it's it's the essence of Judaism.
	Let me play you one more.
	This rabbi basically hints at the idea that God knew what he was doing when he created Christianity and Judaism or Christianity and Islam, and that trust trust Hashem, because he has a plan for these religions.
	No, Aisab, as evil as he was to the people of Israel, nevertheless, the nation of Edom, the nation Christianity and other nations came from him, and they don't worship idols, like we know it in the old time.
	And there was not that much wickedness in Christianity.
	There are many good things also, especially that they believe that they worship one God who has a son.
	But that's already something else.
	Same thing also with Ishmael.
	Ishmael became the enemy of uh of the Jewish people, how much we suffer, even today we suffer from them so much.
	But at the same time, he is the father of that nation which was to become the Islam, to give to the world the Islam, and Islam is not idol worshipping, it's the worship of one God.
	According to Maimanodis, it is a kind of uh worship that is crazy.
	But still, it's not anymore idol worshipping.
	Christianity is considered idols worshipping, it's Abu Dhazara, but not Islam.
	So, but nevertheless, we must admit that the broad the broad to the world changes from the old time in which there was plenty of wickedness, right?
	And that's why he gave us, that's why God gave us from the womb of such righteous people, people who became the enemies of the Jewish people, who made the Jewish people suffer very much.
	See, so they're saying Christianity comes from Hashem and that it persecutes them, but it's better than the wicked heathen world before.
	Similar what Maimonides says.
	Do you have thoughts or should I please finish the clip?
	Okay.
	Remember, not many people think about this.
	From the womb of Rivka came out two different nations, one good, one bad.
	From the womb of Avraham, I mean, from Abraham, came out Itzhat and Ishmael.
	What's going on?
	Trust Hashem, he knows what he does.
	Trust Hashem, he knows what he does.
	Trust that the Christianity is gonna benefit the Jews in the world to come at the end of the age in the war of Armageddon, where they pin Ishmael and Esau against each other to destroy each other.
	Yeah, you know, um this kind of thinking uh by rabbis is in fact in a sense true, but in a sense, full of uh contradiction, full of nonsense.
	And I think that's the weakness of it, you know, ultimately it doesn't work, you know.
	Is Christianity the enemy or the tool, or I mean, you know, the way they look at it doesn't make any sense anyway, because they don't understand that uh this they think in terms of Yahweh being the creator of the universe, which doesn't make any sense.
	But what I what I feel uh interesting is this obsession with uh is Esau as being uh Rome, you know, and there is this obsession with this enemy, which is always the same, you know, from 3,000 years ago almost.
	And uh to go back to the beginning of our discussion, it's very interesting to realize that Christianity was born just after or around the time when Rome destroyed the uh Israel as a nation.
	You know, Israel was an independent nation uh for a quite a short time, you know, um not even two centuries, I think.
	And uh it was destroyed by Rome the first time by Pompeii in uh 60 uh before Christ, and then by the by Vespasian and Titus in the 60s, you know, the temple was destroyed in the 70s, and then for one more century there were Jewish rebellions in Palestine and all over the place,
	you know, in Egypt, uh in Syria, even in north or uh northwest Arabia, and then finally in I think 132 under Emperor Emperor Adrian, Jerusalem was destroyed once more and transformed into a Greek city.
	So that was a very that was uh the most uh um terrible period for Israel.
	Israel was totally destroyed again and again and again by the Romans, you know, in the in a period of uh about one and a half centuries, and precisely at this period, Christianity appeared, you know, in Rome, you know,
	and so it's quite logical to suspect and to explore the hypothesis that in fact Christianity was created by the Jews as a way to finally undermine Rome because Rome is the eternal enemy,
	you know, Rome is Esau and uh is is the eternal enemy, and it's interesting to think of it to think of Christianity as the way that uh as a Trojan horse on one hand and as a way to undermine Roman uh the Roman Empire,
	and from the point of view that from the from the time that Rome converted to Christianity, then it started to disintegrate, and in the long term, Christianity ended up being the poison that destroyed Roman civilization, which is another name for white civilization, basically.
	And they use the Gentiles in Rome to spread the Torah and the idea of Jews being chosen by God all around the world, using Esau as the soldier, according to the the prophecies, and subjugating And deceiving Esau.
	They already believe that two nations will come from uh what was it?
	Rebecca, I believe, and that uh Esau and Jacob, and then it just so happens to be that Rome is where they set up the antithesis, the controlled opposition, and this is even what Kabbalist rabbis believe.
	Check this out.
	Manner manipulation uh was used uh also responsibly.
	Um most notably in this little uh this is a little controversial because a lot of people want to deny this happened, but the uh but the first pope was actually a Jewish scholar.
	And this first pope who was this great scholar, he was not a pope, he was a rabbi in living in Jaffa.
	He was a fisherman, and to this day, the Pope wears a ring that has a fisherman on it.
	Um from this first pope.
	But the first Pope was actually just a great rabbi, and the Jews were being terribly hassled by the early Christians who were hanging around Israel, and he had an idea.
	He says, I'm if you give me permission, he went to the sages, he said, if you give me permission, I would like to go to the temple and ask the Kohanim for certain names of God that only they're allowed to use, and I will use them, create miracles, get all the Christians excited about it, and then move them out of Israel.
	And they and he says, but I'll do it under one condition that the punishment for doing such a thing will fall on all of us.
	I don't want to take all the blame.
	Meaning all be the fall guy, but we're sharing the punishment from heaven for using the names of God for the so essentially a Kabalist Jew believes that it was a rabbi that set up Christianity in Rome.
	Yeah, which is consistent with the uh the strategy of infiltrating uh Christianity, you know, Christianity is uh is a Trojan horse in the sense that is it has been constantly from the very beginning,
	it was created by Jews, of course, nobody would uh deny that, but even as it became a Gentile church, uh it was constantly infiltrated by Jews, and you know, it's probably true that quite a few popes were basically crypto Jews, you know.
	And the case uh the the phrase has always been true.
	The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.
	Yeah, that's another another way to look at it, yeah.
	I mean, many people would go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Uh no, I was just I was just gonna say that one interesting thing I realized uh is that um even uh um at the end of the first millennium, you know, uh under in Europe when the those um uh Carolingians, you know, Charlemagne and uh and his descendants, already um uh Jews had a very strong influence.
	And uh one thing to understand about Christianity is that it has two sides, because uh Christianity for the people was basically based on the New Testament, but from the Old Testament, uh Christian leaders, Christian kings and rulers drew you know their political theology, you know.
	The so you know the whole notion that the king is the heir of David and must be anointed, and uh the Franks or whoever becomes some kind of new Israel, a new holy people, and all this uh war uh warmongering uh spirit of the crusades, you know, all this is coming directly from the Old Testament.
	So uh in this sense, what I want to say that Christianity has also been uh um has also given power to all kind of rulers who were not necessarily acting for the good of their own people, you know.
	If you if you look at the crusades, for example, it ended up being uh uh being a fratricity war between uh Roman Christians and uh and uh Byzantine uh Christians.
	So uh you know that's that's another aspect of uh of Christianity.
	Even the old testament was very important in political theology.
	That's what I wanted to to mention.
	Okay, so uh someone in the chat keeps saying that I'm interrupting you every time you're about to say that the quote Jews are controlled.
	Are you trying to say that the Jews are controlled?
	Or is somebody just trying to start okay?
	Explain what you're saying.
	Oh, sure.
	I I'm convinced.
	I'm convinced that Jews are the most uh brainwashed people by their own um elite.
	You know, this is uh and this I also found the the pattern for this in the Bible because if you look at the Bible, if you read the Bible, you you can see that it's it is the story, it is not just the story of the relationship between Yahweh and his people.
	In fact, it is the story of the struggle between uh Yahweh's representatives and the people, and the people are constantly trying to assimilate, trying to make friends with uh other nations, you know, trying to learn from other nations, intermarrying, and then the elites are constantly telling them no, you shouldn't do that because God will destroy you, you have to keep separate, and you have to hate them, not make friends.
	You can steal from them, you can cheat them, but you should not uh be friends with them.
	So uh the story of the Bible is how Jewish elites are controlling the Jewish people and preventing them, preventing them from escaping from this uh terrible uh mental prison.
	You know, Jews are kept in a mental prison.
	And Christ Christians enable that as well.
	They they validate their delusions that they're chosen and and that uh you know all of the whole religion.
	That's right.
	Yeah, yeah, that's right.
	That's uh Christianity has been um uh part contributing to keep the Jews locked into their own paranoid psychopathic identity.
	And the rabbis, I I was looking for the clips, but I couldn't find them before the show.
	I've seen several times rabbis saying that uh that their uh evidence that the Torah is real and that they're really chosen, is that the Gentiles believe it because the Christians believe that they're chosen, they use that as evidence that it's true.
	And and I'm sorry, but truth, difficult, hard to swallow, cognitive dissonance, exploding truths are more liberating than comforting lies every single time.
	Exactly.
	All right, I I'm looking for a good question, please in the chat.
	Somebody all all caps ask a good serious question, and then we're gonna wrap it up here in a minute, and we'll have uh Laurent back on uh very soon to uh discuss this or whatever else is in the news more.
	We'll have him on as a regular guest.
	I dropped his article, How Yahweh Conquered Rome in the chat.
	It'll be in the description box below.
	Is this your most recent article?
	It is, yes.
	Okay.
	What article are you working on now?
	Well, I have um a few um few articles, but uh nothing very clear at the moment.
	I I would like to be able to to write an article about or around the um you know, intelligent design and this kind of things because I feel it would be interesting to uh I would call it maybe the metaphysics of genes,
	because I think it's important for you know the movement of white white nationalism or anybody interested in our our identity as a people, I think it's important to find some spiritual dimension in in our reflection,
	because I think Darwinism will not save us, Christianity will not save us, but I think Darwinism is uh a very limited, narrow and weak uh frame of thinking, and so I'm very interested in trying to think of uh to to find ways to uh uh help us think of ourselves as genetic beings from a spiritual viewpoint, you know.
	That's why intelligent design, I'm interested in intelligent design, but I I also see the limits of it that uh I would like to write something, you know, there's something spiritual in our genetic identity.
	This is what I want to uh would like to explore.
	I don't know if you're not sure.
	Are you considering in my own mind?
	Uh are you considering doing a book on this uh idea of how Yahweh conquered Rome?
	Well at this moment I like to write articles, and maybe uh they will end up uh into one more books when I have uh enough articles to make a book out of it.
	But I like uh you know the the idea of writing articles.
	I don't have much, I I don't think I have enough energy now to write a book directly, you know.
	I feel writing uh yeah articles is uh it might end up in a in another book sometimes.
	Okay, we got a question.
	Why is Christianity, why do you think Christianity is so powerful in the minds of Europeans?
	Well, why did Christianity succeed to convert our whole the whole you know why civilization?
	Why is it so strong?
	Well, it's not very strong today, but why was it so strong in the past?
	You know, this is a very mysterious uh phenomena.
	If you and when you start to realize it's incredibly mysterious, then you start to want to understand what happened, how it how is it possible that our civilization, you know, the Germanic uh peoples mostly who conquered uh or the Indo-Europeans, or you know, it depends how you want to look at it.
	How is it possible that we ended up worshipping a Jewish Messiah?
	That's an incredible uh you know that that's a question, and this question needs answers.
	And of course, Christians have their own answers.
	Well, the Jews were chosen by God so that they could produce a Messiah or to save the world.
	Well, you know, if you don't believe that, then you have to find another answer.
	So I feel um I'm I will continue anyway to search for uh a more precise uh answer to that question.
	But I think a lot of it has to do with the fear of death and the promise of everlasting life.
	No, I don't think so, because there was food there were a full of different ways to think about this and to ease your fear of death uh in uh ancient uh traditions, you know, people have always been interested in uh what the question of what's what's going on after death and uh where do my ancestors live and do I have a relationship with them and so on.
	This was the this was a center, the most important aspect of every religion.
	It's not particularly uh special to Christianity, and in fact, I feel uh there were better answers away from Christianity, because one of the problems of Christianity, as I said, is that it created it destroyed.
	Um that's one important aspect to understand.
	We we didn't have time to talk about it, but within Christianity, you should not have a relationship with your own ancestors, you should not pray your ancestors, you know.
	But all around the world, everywhere in the world, people pray their ancestors.
	They, you know, in Asia they had their little altar and they pray to their own ancestors.
	This was uh the basic foundation of most religions all all around the world, including in the Roman world, you know, Romans uh uh were very, you know, there were different really different levels of religion, but the family level was centered around worship of ancestors.
	So you know, there was plenty of uh ways to to think about the afterlife in the ancient Roman tradition, there was no need for Christianity for this.
	Yeah, um I I also think it's not just the fear of uh or the promise of everlasting life, but the fear of eternal torment and hell and the belief that you're gonna go to hell if you don't believe.
	And uh this idea that God created everybody broken and sinful in in all you have to do is believe and accept the sacrifice, and then you'll be saved.
	And And also the idea of uh say you do bad, you've done bad things and you have guilt, the idea that you can be forgiven just by saying you believe in something, I think that's alluring to people as well.
	That's why so many people in prison seem to come to religion.
	It helps helps them move on past their guilt.
	Yeah, anyway, of course, there are different ways to look at Christianity, but today I I tend more and more to see uh especially the Catholic tradition as uh uh you know a power of mental control.
	So, you know, the way Christianity and Catholicism in particular, you know, forced people into this uh it's uh it's it was terrible in a way, you know, to come to the point, you know, there's no other tradition, not even within Judaism, you are you are forced to believe something and you are punished for not believing something, you know.
	This is the ultimate crime against the Holy Spirit, if you want to use some uh term from the New Testament, you know, to want to force people to believe something.
	This was the purpose of Catholicism, you know.
	It's it's you cannot imagine some uh more perverse and violent uh form of mental control.
	That's the main reason I think that Christianity dominated uh the conscience of the whole European uh peoples for so long, it was based on violence.
	Uh you you're saying um could force conversions.
	No, I'm saying to um, you know, during the Middle Ages, from mostly from the 10th century or the 11th century, what we call the Gregorian reform, then Christian, then Roman the Roman um hierarchy became incredibly powerful to the point, and it transformed itself into some kind of uh uh court of justice to judge what people believe.
	And as you said, people were burned, tortured for what they believe.
	You know, this was uh this was uh a situation of something that Christians don't like to see, but uh people were tortured and killed and burnt for what they believed.
	No other religion would ever do this, and in fact, Christianity also uh set white people against each other.
	I mean, no other time in history, people killed each other for ideas.
	What's what's uh what sense does it make to kill uh your own brother because he believes something that you know differs slightly from what you are supposed to believe in, you know it's uh absolutely insane.
	The perfect example of that is Ireland with the Catholics and the Protestants.
	Yeah, religious war.
	It started with uh the wars between the Catholics and the Orthodox, because the Crusades were basically in the end about destroying uh Orthodox Christianity in uh Byzantium in Constantinople.
	So the whole history of Christianity is a history of white people killing each other, white nations fighting against white nations under the pretext of stupid religious ideas.
	This is very sad.
	It definitely is.
	Um another another thought that came to mind on why it's so powerful is the the idea of having a father figure that's looking out to you that you can pray to and that will answer your prayers and loves you, is like an innate thing in humans to have a fatherly alpha kind of leader figure.
	And uh, but the idea that you're just born sick and ordered to get healthy, I think is a very demeaning type of uh mentality.
	Let's get one more question in.
	I saw a few somebody wanted you to talk about Nietzsche, about uh the revolution uh Jewish role of the revolution in France, but those could be very lengthy takes.
	You could do a whole new shows on that, I believe.
	Um all caps.
	One more question about what about how Yahweh conquered Rome before we wrap it up here.
	And again, the links in the chat.
	If you guys want to read the whole article, I suggest you do.
	Definitely pick up his books, Yahweh to Zion and Our God is Your God too, but He has chosen as a uh us.
	Lorentz, how do you how to pronounce your name correctly?
	I know I do it wrong.
	Laurent Guy No.
	Lohan, Lohan Guido.
	Is one of my favorite authors.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Um as Laurent it believes Jewish ritual murder is a phenomena that continued to exist in modern days.
	Do I believe that?
	Yeah.
	That's a question.
	Yeah.
	Well, I have no I have no very, yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm not sure.
	Is uh do you believe Christianity is a religion of human sacrifice?
	That's a question again.
	Is it a religion of really of uh human sacrifice?
	Yes.
	Well, metaphorically, yes, you know.
	But uh lives matters it would not make that uh any way, yes.
	Okay, but uh amalik lives matters.
	But you know, there are many it's not you know, the story of Jesus in some way is not so different, also from uh stories of Greek heroes who sacrificed their lives for their community.
	So, you know, we don't need to look at it as a human sacrifice in the sense of uh God slaughtering his own son.
	That's one way to look at it, but another way to look at it is to look at Jesus, you know, uh a half God, you know, conceived by a god with a mortal woman who becomes immortal, is uh the basic pattern of uh Greek heroes.
	So you know, the story of Jesus uh is also in some way not so different from the stories of many Greek heroes.
	Another question are the Jesuits directly supporting Zionist.
	Today, I I don't know actually today what they represent exactly.
	I know that the current Pope is uh is uh he's coming from the Jesuit order, so I would suspect they are they have turned Jesuit order is now one of one uh um uh force of the new world order.
	Uh I would I would think so.
	I think they have been in the past, and you know, there is a strong suspicion that the Jews the Jesuit order was from the very beginning heavily infiltrated, if not completely created by crypto Jews.
	So I mean, well, the Jesuit Pope says, let's pledge to ban anti-Semitism from humanity.
	He says, inside every Christian is a Jew, and he leads the Catholic Church in a pro-Jewish direction.
	So I'd say, yes, the Pope in modern Catholicism is Zionist now.
	Well, yeah, that's true.
	That's why I, as I as I explained in the beginning of my article, I think today it's it's quite clear that Christianity, whether American Christianity or European Catholicism, with maybe the exception of uh Russian Orthodoxy for the moment, for the moment.
	Well, all these Christian churches have become mercenary forces for Zionism for Zion Zionism.
	So I understand there are exceptions, and there are Christians who are loyally fighting for civilization and who are uh aware of the Jewish problem, but they are exceptions, so that's why I think it is time to uh to uh how do you say um weigh you know the the cost and benefits of Christianity?
	You know, in French we would say make le bilan, you know, kind of uh summer uh some sum it up and see do we need Christianity still or do we have to get rid of it?
	I think it's it's about time today.
	Well, you know, you mentioned the Russian Orthodox Church, and uh I wouldn't hold so much faith into them because look at this.
	Uh Kushin initiates law against anti-Semitism.
	The uh Krill sits on a religious body with Chabad Lubovich Rabbi Barel Lazar.
	Russian uh Vladimir Putin initiated a measure that seeks to outlaw, quote, distorted and/or extremist interpretation of the Bible.
	Swiftly pass the bill against anti-Semitic biblical commentary into law.
	I think that they're gonna lead them towards Noah Hides as well.
	I think so.
	Yeah.
	I think Christianity in the recent decade have maybe have played a positive role in uh kind of uh revitalizing you know the patriotic spirit in Russia.
	But I agree with you, you know, sooner or later it will uh become a tool for Jewish power again.
	No question about it.
	All right, well, we'll wrap it up there.
	Thank you so much, Laurent Guyane.
	Author publishes his articles at UNS Review, his links to his books, Yahweh to Zion and others will be in the description down below.
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	It'll all be posted there if you want to get in contact.
	Thanks everybody for watching.
	Uh we'll get you back on again soon.
	Uh parting words before we close out.
	Well, thank you very much, Adam, for uh this uh conversation and for uh you know making my article known.
	I'm really happy you enjoyed it.
	I as I said at the beginning, I I feel a bit divided on uh you know about speaking about these issues, but I think uh you know, intelligent people understand that we have to address this kind of uh this is this kind of questions.
	So it's not popular, it's definitely gonna create a lot of uh animosity when people's uh deepest held religious dogmas are questioned, they get very angry and hostile.
	But I don't care.
	I'm not about in this to make friends, I'm searching the truth for myself and sharing what I find interesting.
	Yeah, let's be loyal to the truth.
	That's yeah, that's our guideline.
	All right, everybody, no more news.org.
	Thanks for watching, and we will see you guys again very soon.
	Check out Laurent's books, they're good reads.
	Okay.
	Take care, guys.

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