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Nov. 20, 2020 - Know More News - Adam Green
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Analyzing Jewish Evolutionary Strategy | Know More News LIVE feat. Dr. Kevin MacDonald
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Adam Green here with Nomore News dot org.
Thank you for joining me.
Today is Thursday, November 19th, 2020.
And joining me today, I have a special guest I've wanted to have a conversation with for a long time.
He's been honored by the SPLC, the Southern Poverty Law Center, as quote, the most uh important anti-Semite alive.
Very distinguished honor.
He's the author of several books, including The Best Seller, The Culture of Critique.
Which is an academic and scholarly analysis of the Jewish Judaism group evolutionary strategy.
And the book I have heavily highlighted, re-read, referenced many times.
So I'm very much looking forward to this discussion.
He's professor of psychology emeritus at California State University, Long Beach.
Everyone, please welcome Dr. Kevin McDonald.
Thank you for being here, Kevin.
Great to be here, Adam.
Looking forward to it.
Yes.
Well, I've uh like I said, I've wanted to talk with you for quite a while uh about your book.
It's uh must read for anybody out there that hasn't gotten it yet.
All the links will be down below and dropping it in the chat.
And you've written several other books, They Shall Dwell Alone is another one related to uh Jewish uh ethnocentrism.
But uh I wanted to first ask you, you're uh so you you weren't always talking about uh Jewish power and these these Jewish identity issues.
Tell us about how you're a psychology professor, you were studying wolves and evolutionary psychology, and and how did you get to where we're at today?
Yeah, I did it, you know.
I I uh started out um start studying wolves for my PhD.
Uh I was at the University of Connecticut, and there was a wolf compound there, and I used to study the the wolf cubs ever they'd have uh you know some wolf cubs every year.
And uh so I I got into sort of developmental psych uh you know, animal behavior from a developmental perspective, and then I got a PhD working with children um in also developmental, and I became sort of a developmental psychologist,
but I always had this evolutionary background that I got with my PhD and sociology was a big thing in the 1970s and sort of really uh huge uh controversy around it, and so uh, you know, naturally I got it and and read it and was very influenced by it, you know, that's we were gonna suddenly you know get back into you know talking about humans from the evolutionary point of view, which pretty much proscribed from the social sciences.
And I'm sort of sad to say that that's sort of what's going on now.
Um that that they've sort of gotten rid of uh evolutionary biology and the social sciences, at least in any kind of meaningful genetic kind of way.
Um but it was exciting in the in 1970s, and I sort of really that was my paradigm.
So when I got a position at California State University, I uh taught courses in developmental uh psychology, but also in evolutionary psychology.
And uh my well, almost all my publications had the word evolution in the title.
And so I I mean they were just mainstream at that time.
It was sort of cool to be an evolutionist.
You know, that's probably why I was hired.
Some of my background and and my race ethnicity could never get hired now, okay.
But uh in those days, uh they were sort of looking for people with an evolutionary biological background a little bit because it was sort of a little bit fashionable, you know, it sort of made a little breakthrough.
Um I had been on the left and and sort of had this real idea that uh combining culture with uh evolution, and so that's what led me really to this whole thing, because I I started uh writing theoretical papers about um how culture is constructed, how and particular about how groups can structure themselves in order to become an important aspect of evolution.
The problem with animals is animals can't really do that very well.
Animals can't you know clamp down on cheaters, as we say, uh people animals that aren't really on page with the group goals, but humans can, and we we're so I got the idea that humans are really good at group selection, at group strategies, and I I had a chapter in 1988 book on ancient Sparta, the Greek city-state, where they clearly had a group evolutionary strategy, and they how they socialized children uh for basically to be a soldier.
It was all about war.
And um, but then I started thinking, let's expand on this, and so I I said, well, what other group has more a history to it and then Jews?
And I knew it would be controversial, I guess, with starting out.
But the first book uh that you mentioned, People that should dwell alone, that got good reviews in the evolutionary academic stuff, uh, journals and everything.
But um, you know, as I got into it, you know, I really started thinking these people are not on my side at all.
And um the second book was separationist discontents on anti-Semitism, again from an evolutionary perspective, a lot of psychology in there, but basically arguing that uh anti-Semitism was not crazy and irrational, that the big the big uh outbursts of anti-Semitism had to do with real conflicts of interest of various kinds.
Uh oftentimes exacerbated by other things, but it is complicated.
But it's not just a simple matter of saying uh, you know, it's all uh irrational and crazy, and like you still hear from the anti-defamation league and organizations like that.
Um then I I uh you know, even then I wasn't that, you know, uh shall we say over the line.
Uh but when I started reading doing the reading for culture critique, it really it really sort of changed me because you know I read a lot of material on Jewish involvement in immigration activism, and they were clearly motivated by their own parochial interests.
They were not interested in in what's good for the country, and certainly not good for for white people generally.
They were interested in their own interests, and and they uh really felt that bringing all these other people in would be a counterweight to to the to to white people basically, that that white people are potentially dangerous in the same way that you had a homogeneous Germany rise up against Jews in the 1930s, it could happen here, uh no real difference.
And um, so after World War II, especially, uh, but even before that, they were all in favor of immigration, uh boom back in the 1920s, 1910s.
They were the always the biggest force in favor of immigration.
But after World War II, immigration of Jews wasn't really the issue because they had Israel and they were in good shape in other ways.
But they kept pushing it, and it's the 1965 law is really uh result of Jewish activism.
And I have a lot of other chapters in the book about Jewish intellectual movements, how they changed the academic world, and you know, now you have uh, you know, as I said at the beginning, it was sort of fashionable to be an evolutionary um edge in the 1970s, although there was a very controversial.
I mean, Eil Wilson got you know blood thrown on him and all of this stuff, and it was horrible.
But um, you know, there was a breakthrough.
Uh and also with behavior genetics, you know, where the idea of genetics influences behavior was suddenly fashionable.
And so there's a little brief light there, but now you know it's going back the other way again, I think.
And you know, the whole idea that race even exists is horrible.
And I don't think they ever hire behavior geneticists in American universities anymore.
Um so you're not going to have people talking about the genetics of IQ or whether there are racial differences in intelligence that are genetically influenced or anything like that.
That's just gone.
And uh that's that's really the you know, the academic world, a lot of people think, well, it's ivory tower and all that, but it's not really because it has huge influence on society, especially on opinion at at the elite level.
You know, that you think talk about the New York Times and other big uh big media, they plug into the academic world.
You look at their op-eds, they're all well-educated People, they come from from the academic world, a lot of some professors oftentimes.
So they regard themselves.
They're really true.
They are plugged into these, you know, these very high-level universities and the whole sort of top-level intellectual opinion.
So that's that's why they you know the rest of the book is on uh the British intellectual movements and political activism.
Jews are really entirely on the left in the 20th century.
Uh and it's still the case.
Um you have uh what they call Jewish neoconservatives, but even they are really on the left of the conservative movement, and we're really pushing the Republican Party to the left for decades.
And now actually a lot of them have left the Republican Party because of Trump, and I think they can hardly wait till Trump is uh out of there and they'll come back.
And their whole thing is you know pro-Israel activism, and but they also love immigration, they love multiculturalism and they call themselves conservatives and that sort of thing.
So I I talk and I study a lot about uh Judaism and kind of the Torah and the Talmud and Kabbalah as uh type of like blueprint or instruction manual for them to follow.
And and you kind of write about the the same topic.
How does Judaism uh give give Jews a evolutionary group psychology advantage?
Well, for for several reasons actually.
One thing is that if you look at tr at at the uh traditional Jewish societies as which is a topic of my first book, of people that should do all alone.
You see that they're first of all they're very disciplined.
They have uh, you know, if if a Jew gets out of line, they will be expelled.
Uh Jews, it was all about the group, what's good for the group.
So if one Jew had a monopoly, you know, they they wouldn't uh the if if if if some other Jew tried to get in and interfere with that, the community would condemn on would come down on it.
It wasn't about individual profit, it was about making sure the community did well.
And so they would expel people who uh were not on page.
And uh they you know, I think I think they started out as very ethnocentric.
They're they're from the Middle East, which is a mostly ethnocentric uh area, you know, culture area in the whole world.
Okay, the Muslim cultures now, uh very ethnocentric, very group oriented and all that.
What we call collectivists.
Um polygamy as well, right?
That's a big advantage because what polygamy plays a role in that.
Pardon?
Didn't don't you write about how like their their marriage differences between polygamy and monogamy?
Isn't that something else you said?
Yeah, but then you know what the the I actually wrote a book in 2019 I published uh about the West.
And Western culture has always been characterized by monogamy.
Jewish culture in the Old Testament certainly was not, and it's part of the Middle Eastern culture area.
Polygyny is just fine if you're a wealthy, powerful male, you have uh multiple wives and and uh mistresses and concubines, should say.
And uh it's all legal and above board, there's nothing disrespectable about it.
In fact, it's prestigious.
Um but when they came into Europe, you know, they came up against this monogamous culture, they eventually conformed to that.
It was, but it wasn't until you know relatively late.
Uh it certainly did not come from within Judaism, it came from outside.
It just wasn't considered respectable.
Um and so they conformed to that.
And um so uh they they have a group uh uh advantage because they are sort of group-oriented, you know, just in the academic world, they cite each other, they promote each other, they uh um will gang up on something that they don't like, like say say Wagner in music uh or um you know other people that are regarded as anti-Jewish.
They uh really um go after them uh in a very collectivist kind of way.
So um one of the things of that I talk about in cultural critique is like say the Frankfurt School, it starts off as really all Jews, funded by a Jewish uh millionaire, Billy, I had a lot of money.
And uh, but they're all on the same page, and they all get a sort of point of view.
And if you don't agree with the point of view, you're out.
Same psychoanalysis.
Uh whereas real science doesn't work that way.
Western science is is about being able to accept ideas if you agree with them and otherwise not, you're not gonna be seen as a bad person.
You're gonna be uh part of the game.
But in in Jewish culture, if you're not part of the game, you're you're expelled.
Or they'll go after you, they'll try to uh hurt you.
And um we see that now.
I mean, I think you know, with the rise of our of our Jewish elite post-1965, especially, uh, there's a complete change in the Jewish community about things like free speech.
In the 1950s, Jewish groups were all about free speech.
You know, and the reason for that was that Jews were being hauled up in front of the McCarthy committees and other committees investigating communism in the government and Hollywood and all that.
Um and so Jews were all about free speech, you know, First Amendment.
But now that that Jews are so much in control, and and you know, they own pretty much you know so much of the media and the academic opinion and everything, and communism isn't really an issue anymore.
Um they are very much against free speech.
And the ADL and all the Jewish organizations very much pushing for censorship, as they have in Europe successfully.
Uh we have the First Amendment here, but you know, as we all know, private companies uh are very good and very adept at censoring it, especially social media companies, and of course, uh mainstream media like the New York Times, they can bias and slant their news any way they want.
And it has a big, a big effect on on people, I think.
But it is, you know, the I think it's censorship is a huge issue now.
And I'm starting to think that they don't even need to go up against the First Amendment.
That's not really the critical issue.
Uh they're able to deplatform people to demonetize people, and you were talking about yourself getting demonetized or deplatformed at you too.
That happened to me.
Uh I I I added the accidental observer, we've been deplatformed.
So it it's uh it's very, very common now.
And uh they have the power.
So uh we'll see what happens here.
But uh, what they would like to do, actually they would like to get around the First Amendment and get things like prison terms for hate speech, not just you know, deplatforming.
You don't have you can't use a credit card, you can't use PayPal.
Um you get booted off Twitter or restricted, and so those are the things they do now.
But they would love to up the ante.
They would love to see these people in prison.
Uh and probably you and me and and a whole lot of people uh they would like to see that.
Um there's no tradition of free speech in the traditional Jewish communities.
It's not at all.
I mean, uh like I said before, if you were a Jew and you you dissented from what the local rabbis said, well, you you didn't have a chance, that you'd be out on your ear pretty quick.
You boil in hell if you go against the sages, is what it says in the Talmud.
That's right.
That's right.
So uh I'm really interested in how their religion shapes their attitudes and opinions and their hostility for non-Jews, and and you can look at some of their commandments like only lend uh or lend with interest only to the Gentiles, or uh you know, their traditions, their myths, their stories that kind of teach how to use like uh deception against the Gentiles and stuff.
Uh I l I liken how your book, because that explains a lot the their religion, but you you cover it in a secular way too of uh their basically tactics against us.
Yeah, I think that that's very important, and it's sort of uh double standards.
You know, Jewish ethics is really what's good for us, and uh and we we can exploit you because you're not us.
And the only reason you shouldn't exploit someone who's not Jewish is that it might come back on you or or the group, you know, you could you could bring shame to the Jews, and that would be a reason not to do that.
But yeah, you you talked about the the rules on on interest, but also slavery.
I mean, uh, you know, slavery was very common uh in the ancient world, and and right up through the Jews were slave traders, Jews owned slaves, and there's a whole you know sections on Jewish law on on how to treat slaves.
But if it's a Jewish slave, you treat it much differently than a non-Jewish slave.
Uh or crimes like murder or anything uh are are punished very differently if it's a Jew versus a Gentile.
So that's Jewish ethics in a nutshell.
And that really gives them an advantage because they they don't uh have the same compunctions about cheating, lying, or stealing or anything from non-Jews.
That's the traditional Jewish ethic.
And the other thing, the other sort of psychological thing is that they are socialized, they have a sort of bunker mentality that all the world's against us, and all the world are just a bunch of irrational anti-Semites.
And we have to oppose them, and they'll, you know, they what they never do is really uh um examine why people don't like them in a serious way.
I mean, there's just massive volumes and volumes, libraries full of Jewish apologia.
You know, they apologize uh uh have apologia for their behavior, or they rationalize it, or they ignore uh Jewish behavior as contributing to this, you know, and and that continues today.
I mean, that's what the whole stance of the ADL is that there couldn't possibly be a rational reason to uh have pro problems with the Jewish community as a whole.
Uh and that's what I had to deal with.
I mean I I always have to argue that it's not about the individual Jews, it's about where's the money, where's the power of the Jewish community being directed?
And they have a lot of money, and and and you know, they're very successful economically.
And so when you look at political contributions, it's massively Jews are massively over overrepresented.
Almost, you know, virtually I'd say 80-90% of Democrat donations from the big money comes from Jews.
And it's a very substantial percentage of of the uh donations for the Republicans.
You know, they have this uh Republican Jewish coalition, and they uh have you know they're very, very wealthy people, and they're basically neoconservatives, their main allegiance is Israel.
Uh and they tend to be on the left in every other way.
They want you know, gay marriage and immigration and a lot of the whole leftist kind of agenda.
So um it's a powerful group in our society, very powerful, because they you know, money is a big clue to their influence.
I mean, it's not just academics and only the media, but money, because our political system runs on money.
Uh there's a good reason why uh Joe Biden had hugely more money than Trump did, and it's because of Jewish donors.
I mean, I I think Andrew Joyce wrote an article just a while ago, uh a week or two ago, uh saying basically that 23 of the top 25 Democrat donors were Jews, and you know, they're very wealthy people, and they use their money politically, and too often non-Jews are intimidated.
They may even have pretty good political ideas, but they don't dare do it, and they end up donating to the opera or museum or get their name on a building at a university or something.
But that doesn't really help us out, does it?
Or to Trump, which is who's a Zionist as well.
Like they control both sides, so it's you're screwed either way, really.
Yeah.
And the Trump administration, uh I just saw that they're they're doing an I don't know what they're trying to do here the very last months, unless some miracle happens here, but uh they're still doing everything they can to squelch anti-Semitism just today.
I think Pompeo announced some kind of program about um boycott the best men and sanctions that that won't be tolerated, even anti-Semitic.
He's he's actually going to a settlement on the West Bank in Israel.
That's never happened before.
For a high government official.
That's amazing.
Completely subservient to them.
You mentioned the their uh willingness in their religion to exploit um here's Habad.org.
It says evil exists to be exploited by goodness.
They mean Gentiles exist to be exploited by Jews, and then they say the soul of Esau knows this.
Um I often talk about how the Jacob and Esau story explains so much of the dynamic of Jews and non-Jews being pinned against each other as uh arch nemesis and adversaries.
Yeah.
There's a famous book called Esau's Tears by uh Albert Lindemann.
Very good book.
Uh-huh.
You wrote the forward to it, correct?
There it is.
Yeah, it's a good book.
I I met him a couple times.
He's a good guy.
But again, he you know, he didn't.
He just sort of went under the radar.
And although his book was not well received by Jewish academics, believe me.
I mean, one of the passages he talked about, this is the sort of uh double standard that Jews have.
That the idea that that Jews would commit perjury was be uh had passed into proverb and legend in Russia, that it was just obvious that Jews would commit perjury for their fellow Jews, and then they didn't have any sense that you know that you should obey the law of the land.
That didn't matter.
What mattered was that what the what the Jewish community, what was good for the Jewish community.
And that has been uh huge source of anti-Semitism throughout history, believe me, a big deal.
You've mentioned double standards several times, and here's again Chabad.org, the Jews double standard, and then it says here that double standards are supposedly unethical, yet Judaism, the ethos contained in the Bible and expounded by the sages of Israel, abounds with double standards.
In fact, these double standards are at the heart of how we live and what we have taught the world and at the heart of what makes an ethical person.
That is great.
And I've never seen that quote.
And you know, you should look at Wikipedia, they have an entry for Jewish ethics.
Believe me, you won't see anything like that, even though that is exactly what orthodox ethics is.
And you can see there, they're proud of it.
That's that's what they are.
Uh and and that's what they uh that's how they carry on in the world.
It's the most supremacist religion like in history.
They think they're chosen by God, they're holy, we're impure, we're only here to serve them.
The verses like love your neighbor as yourself refers to your neighbor another Jew, and shall not kill is another Jew.
And uh I asked, so you you write in your book about how Judaism gives them a competitive advantage.
Does Christianity put uh Gentiles at a disadvantage in your opinion?
Well, certainly right now it does uh in in uh contemporary world.
It's Christianity has become part of the left, pretty much.
Um even evangelical conservatives uh typically buy into the whole immigration agenda, everybody's you know, welcome everybody and everything.
But um the mainstream Christian sects are are just uh a disaster for for white America.
And um I my view is that they follow rather than lead, that the culture shifted in the 1960s and into the 70s, and and the religions followed that.
Um it's not like it was, say, in the 19th century, where I think religions had much more of a leading role in creating the ethics of society.
Uh you look at the like um you know, surrounding the civil war.
There was a lot of uh sort of the strong religious fervor about slavery in the North, you know.
Um but uh I don't so I that and that was very influential and led public opinion, but now religions are in the back seat of secular uh values, and these values are fundamentally uh strongly influenced by Jewish activism.
So very different world.
Um you also write in your book that uh I think Christianity and just the the secular Jewish intellectual movements uh preached uh the double standard for the Gentiles, they preach individualism and moral universalism, which are foreign to Judaism.
And what about like in Christianity it's taught to love your n love your enemy, turn the other cheek?
This is stuff that uh you won't find in uh common Jewish belief.
Yes, our our culture is very, very different from Judaism.
Uh it It uh is individualistic and it's a sort of corollary of that, common of that.
Um it it it does have this idea of moral universalism, going right back to the origins of the of the church.
Um Christianity, you know, you can't say it was just wildly maladaptive.
I mean, after all, Europe basically a Western Europe conquered the world um under the banner of Christianity.
Christianity was reconquisted.
Some of that conquering was with pagan Rome before the year 300.
Yeah.
And uh Rome uh was you say, uh it was a pagan culture and very different and very different.
But I I think, you know, this is this is a topic of my newer book that when it published last year uh on the West, and uh I have a lot on Rome.
And what's the book called?
It's called um individualism in the Western gotta remember individualism and the Western liberal tradition.
And that one is available at Amazon.
Culture critique is not, it's only on Barnes and Noble.
That is right.
Yeah.
And I'm sure once they hear that they're gonna go run and send their little letters and try to get all dissent shut down like they always do.
Yeah, they have the culture of critique, critiquing everything we do and pretending like they have the moral high ground and they need to be the light unto the nations and to cut uh heal the Gentiles with their moral superiority, it's just laughable if they weren't so effective and successful at it.
See, that that's one of the big themes of of this last book of mine about the West, about us.
Individualism, we have ways of creating cohesive communities, but our way instead of ethnocentrism, really, is what we call moral communities.
They we we have a sense of a moral community.
And if you do something that goes against the moral community, you are guilty and feel bad about it and that sort of thing.
Uh and and that's really what what these Jewish groups have latched on in the 20th century.
They've latched on this simple fact that we our our our sense of cohesion really is not kinship and not you know race or anything.
It it at least it hasn't been historically.
But what it is is having a moral community.
And so once once the j uh once they got a control of the sort of culture, the media and the academic culture, well, then they you know, as you say, they that's where they seize the moral high ground.
And uh that's what they're preaching now, that the West is evil.
And uh that is you know that really goes back.
If you if you ask, you know, if you look at Jewish education going up to you know, the synagogue, little kids going all the way up, their whole education is that Jews have been persecuted in Western cultures, going back to Rome.
And uh in the Middle Ages, the crusaders and expulsions from a whole lot of European countries and it would be before Rome, it would be Egypt and Babylon also.
Yeah, yeah.
Uh and but there's a special animosity towards the culture of the West.
And um uh they're in now.
And then of course culminates in the Holocaust, Hitler.
Uh there's a czar in the 19th century, and you can go back every century would have had you know significant anti anti-Jewish attitudes.
And so they want to tear it down.
I mean, uh for them, we're the enemy.
Western culture is the enemy.
And so uh the the strategy that they have hit on sin after World War II is basically immigration.
Bring non-white people in, bring Muslims and other people, different religions, and you'll submerge, eventually you'll submerge Christianity.
That's what's happening.
So I I cover quite a bit the prophecies of Edom and the Jewish biblical nemesis called uh Amalek.
Um you're familiar with the with these uh these myths and these biblical uh characters.
What impact today do you think, even with the secular Jews, do these ancient myths and traditions that have been handed down for so many generations in their in their tribe and their religion have an effect on even the secular Jews?
I think, you know, subconsciously it does.
They would not think explicitly in those terms, but I think there is a sense of sort of wariness about the non-Jewish world.
That uh he can't things may be going well now, but you know, we're always on the verge of another Holocaust or a pogrom or something.
And and that's internalized very strongly among Jews.
And so I think that's what happened with Donald Trump.
You know, he came along and he started saying things about immigration.
And uh things about, you know, that the Brussels wasn't Brussels.
Paris wasn't Paris anymore, that we're losing our culture and that sort of thing.
That is what just really freaked out the organized Jewish community and and Jewish activists, neoconservatives and and liberal Jews.
And they just they just uh had an absolute breakdown, you know, mental meltdown about that.
And they have ever since.
Uh so um that's what they see.
And in 2016, if you look at the media, I wrote a bunch of articles on it, uh, an awful lot of references between uh comparisons of Trump equals Hitler, and um that sort of thing.
Even now you see an awful lot of saying we have a choice between democracy and fashion, uh authoritarianism.
Trump is Mr. Authoritarianism, and Jews are protecting us from this fascist.
That's the message we still get.
Jewish anticipation.
I think that it's uh for them it's a slippery slope.
You you let someone like Trump in and oh pre wants to build a wall and he wants to um you know curtail refugees and maybe cut down immigration, some or maybe change the basis of it from more skill-oriented or something.
Things that we really need as a country, as you know, should be for America and not for for immigrants or for Jewish activists.
Um that just freaks them out.
For them it's a slippery slope.
They see it coming, and then the next thing you know, you know, you've got uh stormtroopers and gas uh ovens and everything.
So uh you you mentioned that their religion so in inherent in their religion is this uh being the victims and the persecuted as it's been prophesied that they are expected to go through this through the exile, and then eventually they believe Jacob will triumph over Esau.
Um how much of the culture of critique uh is inspired by this uh vengeance and them wanting to get revenge on uh their persecutors.
Well, uh in culture of Teague, I I do talk about that to some extent.
Um the main thing though, I I want to find look at the explicit reasons that are given by these Jewish intellectuals, and the most common is to combat anti-Semitism.
You know, and so they see they're like I was just saying, uh they they they see uh the society as potentially anti-Jewish or in fact anti-Jewish.
And then let's face it, there was considerable anti-Semitism in America until after World War II.
It's very common.
Uh you even had people uh popular radio people talking about Jews.
It's common all over the world since the beginning of time.
Very and it was everybody else's fault.
Yeah, it was everybody else's fault.
But it's very common in Europe at the time.
And and so uh they they see this as um you know, a slippery slope that uh they have to uh be always wary about it and never admit there's any rationality to it and uh do what they can.
But he had so in the in the in culture critique I talk about the motive of ending anti-Semitism.
Uh but mixed with that uh I do have some say statements of vengeance.
Uh I have a chapter on Jewish and Jews in the left, and one of the things that really struck me is uh a book on interview material with Jewish activists who are on the left on the 1960s, and just a sense of hatred and revenge and wanting to overturn the social order and get revenge.
And I think we're seeing that now.
I think that um you know they want revenge.
And uh in fact a a lot of people, a lot of these people on the left, uh, many of them Jews, who are are saying that, you know, once we get rid of Trump, we're gonna sort of have a reckoning with all the people who supported Trump.
And uh I mean they would love to put these people on a gulag, I think, but we'll see what happens.
But yeah, there were good statements like that.
And then Freud uh talking about his uh experience with anti-Semitism and thinking of himself as a crusader against Western culture, Western civilization.
And that's a remarkable statement.
Think about it.
You got a Jewish who don't want to show he's supposedly trying to understand the human mind, he's a psychologist.
But in fact, he's a crusader against the West.
You know, and there's this sense of we're gonna overcome you, you know, kind of thing.
Um it's scary because you know, you think about what happened in the Soviet Union when the Jews became an elite.
Well, you had you know 20, 25 million people murdered, and uh they don't have any compunctions about that.
As you said, thou shalt not kill only really applies to Jews.
So uh you mentioned that they want to try to end anti-Semitism, and there are always you know so many organizations and researchers and intellectuals trying to break down and explain anti-Semitism, but they never do it in an honest way.
And um they uh they say it's all baseless, irrational, pathological, hatred with no legitimacy.
But um so this is what we're doing to them.
Where you're a psychologist.
Would you would you say I often say that their religion and their behavior is psychopathic and narcissistic?
Can you uh give that an official diagnosis?
Well, it's certainly ethnocentric and and and group oriented and uh well I have a chapter in my second book, uh, which is on anti-Semitism uh on self-deception.
And I think that's an important aspect of Jewish uh behavior that they either either deceive themselves or others or both uh about uh their what the real feelings are about it, and and they have sort of glorified images of themselves.
Uh there is a sort of narcissism there, um a sense of group pride.
You know, you and when you look when you s talk to these or read about them, they have a strong sense of pride in their own history.
They they take pride in the fact that Jews were wealthy back in the 15th, 16th century, or back in the uh Middle Ages, or you know, in in the Roman Empire.
And usually what what happens, uh, what has happened historically is that Jews become this wealthy elite.
They have different interests than the people that they're involved with.
I mean, a tr a big theme in traditional societies was Jews would make alliances with kings and other aristocrats against the people.
And of course, the people then felt that they were being ripped off.
The king, for example, would let them lend money at very high interest rates.
So pretty soon a large percentage of the people are indebted to Jews.
And the king's getting a cut of that.
Uh and so there's this cooperation between non-Jewish elites and Jews.
Well, then they're hated by the people.
And then it it breaks it breaks out once in a while in a big uh program or something.
They say that that's just an anti-Semitic trope that Jews have influence with uh people in powerful positions, but it's literally taught in the old testament with Joseph.
You can even see in the Old Testament some of the writings.
Uh look at the book of Proverbs is interesting.
I I put that in my in my first book a little bit.
You know, they they have the idea that you've got to go to the people at on the top and then and get them on your side.
And if you think about ancient societies, it usually had this elite that was sort of yeah, really separate, you know, and exploiting the the common people.
Oftentimes Jews would be brought in.
And that was a repetitive theme.
Jews would come in as moneylenders or tax farmers.
Or um they would have monopolies in in various goods that they would import.
Because that you know, they were good at that because they would have international Jewish contacts and they could import uh goods from various countries, and um so they they would be able to have an advantage in there.
Um but yeah, tax farming is a great example where they would make a deal with the king.
You know, you give us that that they they would say we will give you so much money, and then we can go and collect taxes on your behalf.
And there were no limits, basically, they would just take people for all their worth.
Uh just you know, because they had no compunctions about uh their ethical behavior towards non-Jews.
Uh there they always talk about that anti-Semitism is the oldest hate, and it's an ancient hatred, like the the conference that Pompeo and the anti-Semitisms are Netanyahu had a couple uh weeks ago.
The ancient hatred.
What what about their their religion and their group evolutionary psychology to so strongly oppose anybody that stands in their way, like uh Amalek, their their biblical nemesis.
They're told to uh blot out the memory of Amalek.
They're taught to never forget what Amalek did to you.
And this is essentially uh an ancient blood libel where anybody that opposes them is the enemy who must be ruthlessly destroyed.
Yeah, and I think that's really part of it.
And I do think that there's an awful lot of hatred towards non-Jews in Jewish writings in the Talmud and other uh writings.
You and I'm sure you're familiar with that.
Um so they you see this going way, way, way, way back, and um a sense of returning to power.
I mean, to think about these people, they're you know, basically uh expelled from political control for two thousand years, and uh now they're back, and and they have a very powerful country in the Middle East, they're armed to the teeth, highly you know, technologically sophisticated.
Who knows what's going to happen in the future.
Yeah, I think you I think you might have written in your book that it's it's the the um the decade of the Jew, the century of the Jew.
Is that a quote from a book?
The Jewish century.
I did a review of a book that the title of which is written by a Jewish professor at UC Berkeley, titled The Jewish Century, and he was just basically talking about how successful Jews were, whether in Europe or in the Soviet Union,
um and uh you know, controlling banking and uh just a huge uh amount of control on the media and other areas in the East in Western Europe and Eastern Europe, controlling the culture, and uh but again, yeah, his his attitude was wow, you we're just sort of superior to you guys, and you shouldn't worry about it, you know.
Yeah, just the natural law like they say it's a natural law that we hate them uh for for no good reason.
Which if they're gonna get rid of anti-Semitism, and then they also say that we hate them for no reason and that we're just born hating them.
That's what the Rabbi Lateman who you debated, that's what he says is that it's a law of nature.
We're born hating them, and we don't even know why.
How can they ever get rid of anti-Semitism without getting rid of the anti-Semites, if that's the case?
The Stalin said that if there wasn't any anti-Semitism, they would have bent it to...
Because it keeps the community together.
I mean, hate is really what binds them and and fear, fear and loathing, you know, fear and loathing of the Saronic Society.
And there's this, you know, this guy um Elliot uh what's his name?
He's a neoconservative foreign policy.
Thank you.
Famously said, you know, that we have this abiding fear and and hatred towards the Christian majority of America.
And it doesn't really end, you know, and they may be happy and have huge wealth and political power and absolute security and all the big institutions on their side, but there's still this Fear and loathing that I think really is very mainstream in the Jewish community, and and uh of course they won't talk too much about that up front explicitly, but it's there.
I want to quote from your book, you say that uh modern day TV in America ha portrays non-Jews as participating in Jewish ritual, respecting and enjoying and learning from it, and that it's a normal part of American life.
You also say that there's a common theme in entertainment of of the the brainy Jew or like the Jew to the rescue theme, which which goes along with their Takuno Lum Jewish uh messianism.
Um this sound this just screams Noahide laws to me.
Are you familiar with those?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
These are laws that we should obey.
Right.
And just getting the Gentiles, the Christians and the Muslims to just be Noah Hides in this one world religion where you look to them for salvation and and you uh you respect and acknowledge that they're God's chosen people.
This is what the Chabad Lubavitcher's main priority is.
Yeah.
And then that's an interesting passage there about about the media, about television shows.
Uh you know, they they won't they they have very positive views of Judaism, you know, and then that's what the American people have been fed for the last God knows.
I mean, you can go way back.
Jewish Hollywood was there in the 1920s.
So uh that's that's been the pitch.
On the other hand, an awful lot of anti-Christian movies and have been, and uh um the way that the anti-white agenda has cheated uh has turned up intensified so much in the last few years.
Do you think how much worse could it get in the next couple decades?
Well, you see, uh you know, there's a anti-white uh attitudes are coming out more and more in the mainstream media.
Um like, you know, even something like top newspapers will hire people of a history of anti-white tweets very explicitly, and they won't fire them.
Um so you you see more and more of that uh now.
And on the one hand, I think it it may be sort of waking some white people up that these the future's not going to be bright when we have a non-white America.
Not just white people, people of color are waking up to it also.
I get emails and yeah, I think so.
A lot of I think so, and I think that may account for uh the fact that a lot that that more blacks voted for Trump in this time than than in memory for a Republican candidate.
And you see a lot of articulate blacks, say you know, our conservatives.
Candy's uh what's her name on Candace Owen, I guess her name is Dennis Prager's girl?
Dennis Prager's uh golden girl.
Is that right?
The one who represented uh the right for at the white supp the white nationalist conference in Congress.
Oh.
Right.
Yeah.
We had Dennis Prager's Candace Owens and uh uh ZOA um what's his name?
Zu Zu Zuckerman, something like that.
Who's the head of ZOA?
You know his name?
I don't know.
I can't remember.
But I th I think some b some blacks are waking out the Democratic Party left is not really good for them in the long run.
And and they and there's a long history of anti-Semitism in the black community.
And you got Farrakhan now and people like that.
Um and he's pretty influential, you know.
Um a lot of blacks, you know, they know what they can say.
You got rap artists every once in a while they'll get off the reservation, but look at what Ice Cube and Nick Cannon did.
They criticize Jews a little bit and white people way more.
They only apologize to the Jews, and then they go on like what a joke.
And uh anyway, uh, you know, I do think that the hate anti-white hatred is getting more and more mainstream.
You think of just tearing down all the statues of our past, you know.
Uh that's part of it.
And um 20 years from now, God only knows.
Because you're gonna have a non-white majority unless we do something really drastic.
And um they're gonna be really taught as they are now to hate white people.
I mean, critical race theory.
It's all about white fragility and whites are all racists.
And if you say you're not racist, that makes you more of a racist or something.
It's crazy.
Is this not the Jews scapegoating white people as like uh offensive attack on us?
Engineered attack.
Yeah, that's something I think that they you know that that the all the problems of society are sort of lumped into white people.
They never talk about uh you know the big tech monopoly and other very pressing problems, the destruction of the middle class and things like that.
Uh we're obsessed with race now.
And and everything's about race.
So we ignore um what's happening to the middle class.
We ignore what's happening to so much of rural America, and uh the poverty in the big cities.
Look at California, the highest poverty rate in the country.
And they uh, you know, and I really do.
My my fear about 20 years from now is that we are getting to be a society with extreme wealth, and then everybody else in the in the you know, getting government handouts, meager life, and basically uh not there's no middle class anymore.
Hunger games.
Basically, surfs, and and I I feel very fortunate.
I'm I'm kind of an old guy now.
Oh thank you.
But uh I I live to the golden age of America, really.
I I did, and uh I uh would love nothing more than to restore it.
Well, I think they've got uh death wish for the West and for Christianity.
Uh according to their all of their prophecies, that's what the rabbis are saying.
Uh I want to share this quickly before we wrap it up here.
I I know you got to get going uh at the end of the hour.
This is something I shared with you.
If this doesn't have culture of critique all over it, I don't know what does.
So we have Mad Magazine, six decades of Gentile Culture Rotting Fun.
All they do criticize uh the America, basically.
And it just so happens to me it's it's all Jews that made it.
Look at this.
We have Patraga B we, whatever that is, Bernstein, Bernstein, and this is what I wanted to share.
Cartoonist Al Jafi found his inner Jewish superhero, the 99-year-old Mad Illustrators and not so secret identity as the creator of this Jewish character.
Anyway, he was he he did the cartoons for Chabad magazine and for Mad Magazine, criticizing and subverting the youth of America, which Habad Lubavitch would never let their children anywhere near a magazine like Mad Magazine.
Right.
And I I confess I I loved magaz bad magazine for a brief time.
Uh I don't know exactly how old I was.
It's kind of juvenile anyway, but um yeah, it was very definitely counter-cultural.
Very definitely.
The biggest uh media company in the world, Viacom, is is run by Sumner Rothstein, his daughter Sherry Rothstein Redstone, who is a Orthodox Jew.
She was married to a top Kabbalah rabbi who trained in Jerusalem, Hasidic dynasty.
That's who was he was on the board, the book the president of the board of Viacom for a number of years.
Yeah, over and over again.
You could go on all day with that.
Yeah, you you outlined it in your book.
I highly suggest everybody get it.
I really appreciate you coming on, Dr. Kevin McDonald.
Hope to do it again sometime.
Also, I've had a lot of requests again.
Had a lot of requests for your um uh a writer at your website, Andrew Joyce.
So if you can maybe help me out to get him on and bring him on for a chat, that would be great.
Yeah, send me an email and I'll get you in touch with him.
Okay, everybody I I really uh I really uh so happy to have found him.
He's a scholar of Jewish history and uh very good writer, very you know conscientious, he really does his research.
You see, in that little circle there is that's my new book, Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition.
Wonderful.
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Thank you again, Dr. McDonald, for coming on.
I really enjoyed the talk, and it was an honor to finally talk with you.
Um, yeah, I enjoy it.
Thank you very much.
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