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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Adam Green here with Nomore News.org.
Today is Sunday, July 12th, 2020, and joining me to discuss Jewishness is a guest I've wanted to talk with for a long time.
He is an award-winning jazz musician, a novelist, an anti-Zionist activist, and author of numerous books, including The Wandering Who and A to Zion.
He's a self-described ex-Israeli, ex-Jew, and a proud self-hating Jew that quote despises the Jew in him, whatever is left.
The ADL says he's an outspoken promoter of classic anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and a fierce critic of the state of Israel, which makes him quite a good follow on Twitter and Facebook and to watch his presentations and read his books.
I describe him as a Jewish anomaly, a renegade, and a man of principles and integrity.
He is the one and only Galad Otsman.
Welcome, Galad.
Thank you for being here.
It is an honor and a pleasure to finally be speaking with you.
Big pleasure here as well.
I was waiting for your call for many years.
Here we are.
My apologies for not getting you on sooner, but uh as we just uh discussed a minute ago, I'd be happy to have you on uh um more regularly.
Yeah, maybe maybe you'll change your mind in a few minutes.
But uh just one correction.
I I love your uh the way you presented me.
Just one small thing.
Uh-huh.
I'm really I'm really um not an activist.
I'm I'm very active, but I'm not an activist.
Um I know that sometime people present me as one.
I I'm I'm a thinker.
I actually have a lot of issues with um activists for the simple reason that activists always know the answers.
And when it comes to me, I'm actually more uh interested in refining questions, and this is what I'm really doing.
I'm not telling what are Jews, I'm asking what is Jewishness, what is Judaism, what is Zionism, how it is relating, and I and I look out this quest, these questions are evolving.
This is what I'm really doing, which is not exactly um what activists do.
So you're more of a philosopher.
I am a philosopher, yeah.
Awesome.
Well, you know, as I was researching you so I could uh do the introduction and find some uh good topics to talk about, I was really uh I was really uh I was my first question was how did you how did you get like this?
What influence you uh your path to uh speaking out so vocally and and really uh having more chutzpah than any Jew that I've ever witnessed because it's it's easy for um for Jews to have chutzpah and and go along with the tribe, but you really seem to be a renegade and you're so outspoken and you've really gotten a lot of flack.
I know that the Jewish community really disavows and condemns people who uh who go against the grain and then speak out against them.
So how did you get this way?
So for many years, I uh I've been asking myself the same uh question, and um I trying to answer this question.
I saw that maybe the fact that um at one point uh in my life, I um discovered jazz music, the music of black people of the oppressed,
and I fell in love with this music um immediately, and I decided to learn this music, and within a very short time, I um became a jazz artist, and I'm still I'm still doing it, you know, um on an international level, I would say.
Yeah, I wanted I wanted to clarify.
Uh I said award-winning uh jazz musician and saxophonist, but uh tell us about some of your biggest accolades.
I saw you got BBC album of the year, so so we're talking serious awards.
Yeah, yeah, I I I played with a lot of people, you know, probably most of your listeners um are familiar with Pink Floyd.
I'm featured on their last album, and I played pretty much with uh I recorded with most of uh British uh most famous artists and so on and so on, but uh I mean we are not gonna talk about music.
What I was um you know, unless it is very interesting for you or or or your listeners.
But um, I I thought that the fact that um I realized that um jazz music was for me a way out of this tribal um tribal concept, the idea of clear destiny, some suddenly I was part of a completely uh different universe.
Uh this is what I thought um for more than a while.
I wrote about it in the wandering oo, and I realized few years ago that actually the environment in which I grew up was uh Israeli nationalist patriotic.
I was born in uh 63, 67 was the six-day war or 67 war, it depends.
Uh you know, the Israelis probably the sixth-day war, uh six days war, and the Arabs probably call it 1967, they don't celebrate the fact that they were defeated in six days, obviously.
And uh there was a lot of pride there, and this pride also involved a complete dismissal and rejection of diaspora jury, diaspora Jewish identity.
We regarded Jewish diaspora as the lowest possible human existence.
The whole idea of Zionism was to establish a new ethical uh um Jew um that is connected to the soil and so on and so on.
Now I'm obviously uh will be the first one to tell you that this uh project failed completely.
Um Zionism from day one was involved uh in plunder of the land and so on and so on, but it is also true to say that many of us believed in it.
So when I was 21 or 22 and I toured for the first time, and by the way, my first tour, I think, around the world was playing Jewish Hasidic Jewish religious music.
That was kind of uh this was the first time I visited it.
I think it was the first time I visited America, yeah, definitely.
And I it's not that I kind of felt hatred, and I never felt hatred to anything.
I don't um age, but I'm very critical of Jewish uh Jewish identity politics and so on and so on.
But the first time I visited one, I don't remember where was the first one, I think it was around in upstate New York or in Boston.
We landed into a gig and it was kind of a local Jewish center.
And we were all were pretty disturbed by what we saw.
This um every tribalism um uh their uh fact that they identified so forcefully with us while we didn't want to identify with ourselves.
I think that it was in 84-85.
Most of the musicians in the band were kind of graduates of the first Lebanon war that took place in 82, so we were kind of a young veterans.
we realized that the more they wanted to be like us, The less we wanted to be us, and far less we wanted to be like them.
And I must admit that.
So their Jew their Jewish supremacy was like a turnoff to you.
Yeah, but I uh but uh funny enough, I only realized the level um of Jewish uh kind of the pro the problem with Jewish supremacy.
It's the first time that I really met it was when I visited um a diaspora Jewish communities within this tour.
I never really spoke about it.
I'll tell you another thing that is very interesting.
I was obviously aware of the Israeli Arab conflict.
I was a soldier in from 81, but it was only in 82 in the war where I saw the refugee camps in Lebanon when I realized that all these people were actually somehow,
and I didn't even know how to deal with it because the terminology of ethnic cleansing is something that started 20 years later, all right.
There was no word available for me to treat what I saw.
So I guess that I was left with a cognitive dissonance.
Two years later, I was a musician in the army in the in the air force.
It was a few days uh before I finished my compulsory uh duty, and this is something that I've mentioned a few times.
I also spoke about it in Lebanon, and they even uh took me uh in Lebanon to uh and and and destroyed Israeli detention center in the south to show me that it wasn't just in my mind, they uh they uh they kept some of those um uh structures.
When I was in Lebanon, I think in June, definitely 84, but I think that it was in June for very odd day.
We were in a Lebanese uh concentration in an Israeli concentration camp on Israeli Seoul.
It was called Ansar, and we were taken to a tourist guide, you know, because the musicians in the army they are treated like VIP, they eat with the officers and so on and so on.
Along this tour, we stopped in a football kind of ground, and there were kind of small square concrete boxes.
I was I I would call them and something like um I you are American, so I'll speak in feet like three feet by two and a half feet and maybe three feet.
There were I think a dozen of them around us, and it was very hot.
Um 40 something Celsius, I don't know.
Yeah, you will have to be able to do that.
Yeah, some Americans need need fair height.
I know I think it's very very odd, maybe one hundred, I don't know.
One hundred is high, yeah.
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's extremely hot, and I told this um Israeli commander tourist guide, listen, you cannot keep dogs in these um concrete constructions, uh, it will die.
And Tom, don't worry, these are not for dogs, these are for Palestinians.
Um, you put a Palestinian in one of those, they become Zionists within hours.
And I looked carefully and I looked at the door and I managed to see a human hands hanging out, and for me, this was the end of my relationship with Israel.
I say Israel because Israel didn't regard itself then as the Jewish state, and why I mention it.
Because I'm now finally ready to answer your question.
As I said, I wasn't raised as a Zionist, but I was a product of the Zionist project.
Were you raised in Britain?
No, no, I was raised in in in occupied Palestine in Israel.
I was a product of the Zionist project.
I I was born there, and my parents were born there.
My father kind of his family goes quite a few generations.
Both my parents, Palestinian uh death birth, my god, Palestinian birth certificate.
Um Palestine was on your birth certificate.
Not on mine, of my on my parents.
On your parents, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alright.
Um, but my father family goes uh before uh you know, I think 19th century or something.
Um so are you Sephardic or Ashkenazi?
Uh definitely definitely of uh European uh descent, Ashkenazi by yeah, yeah.
But um but there were a few um Ashkenazi Jews who uh landed in Palestine and they did it for religious uh reasons.
This was before Zionism.
Alright.
So about my family.
I I kind of I'm zigzagging.
My family, one part is kind of um, they were there, they were pre-Zionist, and my the other side ultra Zionist.
However, I grew up with this um ultra in this ultra nationalist environment, and I bought like my parents, like my uh grandparents into the one of my grandparents,
um into this uh Zionist um thing, um understood that we have to be truthful and to make an a unique effort to be ethical human beings,
and at a certain stage, and for me it happened at the time of the Oslo agreement, because I was really I really wanted to believe that we were moving towards peace eventually, and when Oslo um accords started to happen, I realized that we are not moving towards peace, it is all fake.
You know, you know the Rabbi the Rebbe.
Sorry, uh the Rabbi told uh politicians to pretend like you want to achieve peace, but that really we make no covenant with them.
I'll take it one step farther.
I realized also that the word peace doesn't really exist language.
We have the word shalom.
Shalom doesn't mean peace, it doesn't mean reconciliation, living in harmony, loving the other shalom means security for the Jews, and this was what Oslo was all about.
I think that it kind of started started to happen in 92, and in 94.
I was out.
I came a few times to pick my stuff, a few more saxophones, but I never came back.
It took me a few more years to realize that Israel by then started to transform.
And by now, this is the answer to your question to your first question.
Israel started from 77 to transform into a Jewish state.
You know, I know that all our kind of Jewish anti-Zionists like to talk, I'm a Jew, I'm a Zionist, I'm a Zionist, I'm not a Jew, I'm a Jew, I'm a Zionist.
There is no such a thing as Zionism in Israel.
We have nationalist um with the religious the Jewish um, you know, you have all these parties with we don't have a single party that calls itself the Zionist party.
They used to be, there isn't now.
Israel doesn't define itself as the Zionist state, it defines itself as the Jewish state, and it is quite a new and new uh a new thing that uh I wrote quite a lot about it.
It's something that Netanyahu realized in the 90s, he realized that for the Israelis, the biggest unifies, the biggest unifier is the is Jewishness, and we can talk about what this J word stands for.
And um I realized that I never want I I never wanted to identify as a Jew.
I was there to defy the Jew in me, to oppose it to become a new um ethical human being in Israeli, and by the way, I'm not the only one who speaks about it.
When you read the Shlomo Zand, it speaks about very similar things when you speak about uh when you read uh uh unfortunately is not with us, uh Uriev Neri, he expressed similar uh similar um Israel Shahak Israel Shahak absolutely.
I think I wrote it, I read in his book, um, I know I read somewhere about uh which I'm glad you brought up the real meaning of shalom.
Everybody thinks shalom is some peaceful greeting word, but it's actually has a supremacist uh meaning behind it.
And uh, I think I read about that in Shahak.
Yeah, I I am I'm I you have to understand when when Israel but the word shalom is translated into peace.
Alright.
Now it is very interesting when you start to talk about language, and this is something that uh I say in the wondering who the wandering who was um uh regarded by some um of my detractors, opponents as the most anti-Semitic uh book uh since my camp and so on and so on, although it is obviously not.
I was quite surprised by uh actually nothing is surprising anymore about uh the the way they behave, but um uh I was at the time slightly surprised because to a certain extent the book in a very peculiar way vindicated them,
those people who identify as Jews, and how did it do it?
It actually argued, and I think very forcefully, that there is something extremely problematic in the culture.
Alright, so if you if you grow up in a culture where there is no word for reconciliation for harmony for loving your other, if there is no such a concept, you cannot blame people for not celebrating this concept.
Yeah, you can't conceptualize it if there's not a word to describe it.
Exactly.
Alright, so you know, uh so um it will be slightly um difficult to translate the vibe of the desert to an eschimo and vice versa, all right, to take to Dr. Bedwin on a on his camera and tell there is a place where people it's very cold.
They don't they don't even know that they don't understand up of the terminology.
Um that we are dealing with with and and what the problem is that um we are dealing with a culture that it is that is so supremacist and so blind to its own actions that it is almost impossible,
and I say that it is almost, but it is actually impossible to emancipate its followers, and why and why by the time, and it happened a few times in history.
Jews understand the supremacy that is entangled with their identitarian concept, they either face uh horrendous cognitive dissonance and they kill themselves, like Otto Weininger, or they stop being Jews.
Alright, it is very rare for Jews to liberate themselves.
Now, I would argue that the fear of anti-Semitism, which is something that is expanding faster than uh COVID-19, I think, by far.
The Goem are waking up.
The Going are waking up, but they are also kind of um becoming more fearful by the minute.
I think that their fearfulness, you know, if you I'm getting their papers every day, and they write about nothing, except there was a swastika in Germany, there was that, you know, people want to kill us in France, people want to kill us.
It's unbelievable.
This is Jewish news now.
It's not that one rabbi uh presented a new interpretation of uh the mouth uh uh Sinai uh moment in history.
No, they don't talk about Judaism, nothing, they talk just about one thing, how fearful they are.
Now it is quite pathetic considering the fact that there are not many um events that should make them fearful, and I believe that part of their fearfulness is actually a sense of guilt.
Because they understand that something is not right, they understand, as you said, you said the Goima waking up, they understand that they are not transparent.
People see, they understand that people see and they know their history well enough to know to grasp that they may be consequences for their actions,
whether it is Israel, whether um you know Maxwell, Epstein, Wexner, Erud Barak, Derchowitz, whether it is white, they are involved in a lot of mess.
Ponzi, Goldman Sachs, they are the most forceful ethnic group in the West, and they are not and they are not uh playing it in fairly, let's say, in the most uh polite manner.
In order to understand this concept, I go back to a great French psychoanalysts, Jacques Lacan, who understood that the unconscious is the discourse of the other.
Now, this sounds very uh pompous, but it is quite easy to understand.
The unconscious, the fear is the fear that the other sees you for what you are.
So let's say that you had a meeting with a girl, and it didn't go very well, and the next day you go to a party, and you see her, and with she's with uh other five girls, and uh you see them talking, you are already sure that she's talking just about you, you know, if you are Nazis enough, all right, and you're upset, and this is your fear.
This is the unconscious, uh the unconscious is unconsciousness is the discourse of the other.
What torment many Jews, self-identified Jews is the possibility that everyone out there start to see what is going on,
and this is where why they are in an uh hyperbolic and constant tantrum, fearful of primarily themselves.
You know, it's it's interesting.
Um thinking that uh all of their anti-Semitism, because they're they've got hundreds of groups, and every day we see articles that they talk about how much everybody hates them and has always hated them everywhere they go, and they like to argue that it's for no reason, but but uh I I do agree that I do think some of them have some guilt, uh others are are possibly just shameless and and don't have any self-awareness.
But I have you noticed how they're always projecting and trying to Jewish people say, Well, I'm they go, I'm a fellow white, and uh we need to do better, and and us us white people have privilege and and guilt, and then they're trying to kind of trying to project it the direction uh elsewhere.
I think I think that projection is the key word and a key concept, and by the way, the guy that gave us projection was um Freud, I think so uh so we should accept that projection is a key to the understanding of their politics,
their identitarians, and more than anything else, their fear, and my theory in that regard is that projection is basically attributing our psychic or psychic features to others.
If you think of yourself in or about yourself in racial terms, you tend to believe that everyone else is as racist as you happen to be.
Now, this can be terrifying because if you see yourself as the chosen person, the universe becomes a very frightening place because you tend to believe that everybody else look down at you while it is actually only you look down at others.
One of the most interesting development or uh or a line of thought that evolves from this idea, namely projection, is that we ate in others that which we don't like ourselves.
This is not Gilodatman, this is uh Otto Weininger.
It is a very uh astute observation.
This explains why many of the so-called, let's say, homophobes are themselves gays or latent gays.
It also explains why some of the greatest uh anti-Semites were themselves Jews.
They didn't like the Jew in themselves.
Yeah, right.
That was that brings up another point I was gonna say.
Sometimes I think that Jewish people even like to say really like inflammatory things to kind of provoke the Gentiles, because when there is anti-Semitism, many Zionist writers before the creation of Israel wrote about this that um anti-Semitism is what keeps Judaism uh going,
and that's what keeps people uh Jews segregated and under their control and and uh and scared, and and then so you know, like like the ADL, for instance.
Of course, of course, and this is a very uh very true observation.
So if there is no anti-Semitism, you just have to invent it.
Because if there is no anti-Semitic, what is the most frightening thing for Jews?
When I'm not talking about Jews, I'm talking about assimilation.
Yes, when I'm talking about Jews, I'm obviously talking about self-identified Jews.
I'm not talking about people who are born to Jewish uh parents or one Jew.
I'm talking about people who are the most frightening thing is assimilation.
Now, Zionism was there to prevent assimilation.
Let me tell you, Jewish anti-Zionists are also there to prevent uh assimilation.
If you feel uncomfortable about uh Palestine, what Israel is doing in Palestine, they tell you, hey, don't worry, don't worry, come with us.
We all Jews together, we all fight against it together.
They always try to make sure that you stay within this strict boundaries.
What I was about was about to tell you before that what is happening with projection and this fearfulness that is the uh by product of uh projection, we are dealing with a snowball.
You attribute your violence to the Iranians, the next thing you are very very afraid of Iran.
You attribute your violence to the Syrians or to the Palestinians, you are fearful, you are fearful what you do, you start to bomb them.
You realize that the Palestinians cannot defend themselves, you become even more fearful because if I were them, I would be so close.
So you become even more fearful, and this is a snowball of psychosis that is auto-propelled, and the first and maybe the only person, I call him person, maybe some people will be offended.
He was God.
The only person to understand how dangerous this situation is, was Jesus Christ.
He understood that what we are dealing with is a snowball of vengeance that is self-propelled and he stood up and he said there is only one way out of it.
Turn the other cheek.
And uh to add on that, there they have this eternal enemy of Amalek, who is any enemy, anybody that uh opposes them in any way, anybody that could be a threat to them anyway, and then there's the Talmudic doctrine of rise and kill first.
So, oh, they're gonna get us, so we have to attack first, and and it kind of reminds me of this.
Uh, this is exactly this is exactly you know, we are we are going in in a very good circle.
I like to go in circles.
It's it's um, you know, that's what I do when I practice.
Um we are going around the same thing, and it's very important because everything leads to the same point.
We are going in circles, so we have the projection, and then everyone who comes to kill you, you have to, you know, you kill first.
Um the issue here is that there is no real way out of it.
Now you mentioned Amalek, and I say something that I'm not so sure that your reviewers are familiar with, and it is very very offensive.
But let me let me say it.
I wrote about it a few times, so and and uh if if you will need uh um maybe you can look at you know while I'm talking at the computer for the word yeshu, the abbreviation for the word Yeshu.
It is on the net, it was on the net, but now it's very difficult.
You know, if you look at Google, you know, it's like an Asbara.
Well Yeshua.
Yeshua is the name of Jesus, and in Yeshua, it's something derogatory, right?
Yeah, exactly.
So the Jews don't call Jesus Yeshua, which was his that was his name.
They don't call him Jesus, they call him Yeshu.
Yeshu is an in it, maybe you find it.
Yeshu is an abbreviation for in Hebrew Imach Shmozichro, may his name be radicated, which is something that is said for the most orrid people in the Jewish universe, and you mentioned Amalek, Hitler, yeah.
Stalin, some people would say, yeah.
So Iran, Palestine, it goes back to Jacob and Esau, Esau, Edom, Amalek, um, the Persians with the Purim story, and then Rome, Christianity and the West.
The least the list is big, you know, and it's endless, and now you can add Corbin, but or Bernie Sanders, whatever, or yourself or myself, but but the issue here is that this is what the Talmud or Rabbinical Institutes or
Rabbis make out of the kindest person ever live, you know.
So Corbin should say, Alright, I'm in, you know, I'm in good company, it's okay.
I'm with Jesus, and which by the way, I'm more of a narcissist, so I definitely kind of take it as uh as a compliment.
However, this is what we have to remember.
By the way, you probably know the Jews are ordered, and I don't know what is left out of it.
I know that until recently, it's it's still happening in Jerusalem, by the way, within uh orthodox communities, they are supposed to spit when they see the cross.
Yeah, they speed on church, and they they utter a curse too, correct?
Sorry, they also say a curse, they spit and they say a curse when they pass the church, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And uh have you ever been in Prague?
No.
Okay, uh beautiful city, and in Prague, there is a very famous uh bridge called Charles Bridge.
You can look at it uh and um on the net because I if you you have all this kind of uh gadget there to to uh to do many clever things that I cannot do from here.
Um if you go to Charles Bridge, um you will find that that quite of the few crosses on Shaw's bridge.
If you pick one of the crosses here, this one, this one, if you make it bigger, there are a lot of Hebrew letters uh on the cross, and it's basically says Kadosh Katoshkadosh, holy, holy, holy, holy.
And when I try to understand what really happened there, I found out, and I can send you the text that uh in the Middle Ages.
Um, more and more Christians start to get upset by uh the idea the Jews were spitting on their churches and crosses, and it looked as if they are about to be expelled from the city or a program or whatever, and the rabbi realized that the only way to prevent them from doing it was to write holy holy holy holy on the on the on the process.
So we are dealing with something that um keeps repeating itself, and uh this is a very troubling insight.
You know, people say, and they're right to say that history never repeat itself.
History never repeat itself, but it is funny because we all learn something from the Holocaust, and I'm not entering the debate what really happened in the Holocaust.
This is an interesting uh debate in itself, but we all learn, for instance, that racism is not good, and you you cannot discriminate people based on their act of birth and so on and so on.
We accept it.
The only people who didn't learn from history and from Jewish history are the Jews, they made managed to make every possible mistake to repeat every possible mistake that's made their past into a chain of disasters with a few copy breaks.
The the uh on breaking Israel news the other day, there's an uh an article about the oracle of Israel.
He's a young autistic uh boy, he says that there's gonna be a Holocaust in America, and all the Jews need to leave the diaspora and make a Leah back to Israel before before things get really bad in the United States.
Um I'm sure that um there are enough Jewish Americans who feel the same.
And for a reason, and uh there there is a there was there were quite a substantial uh waves of um immigration in recent years from France from uh Britain, so I hear you know.
Uh it is not that they are not seeing it is very interesting.
I'll ask you kind of an intimate um question.
Um don't laugh.
Uh, do you have um a holocaust shelter?
I do not, no, I do not.
Your parents do they have a holocaust shelter?
No, no, probably not.
No, your uncle, no, no, no, definitely not.
I I have uh I've um to uh to uh move very fast because they're chasing me all the time.
But uh who's chasing you, the ADL.
You know, that there are quite few organizations, yeah.
Yeah, um, but uh no, no, I'm I'm uh I'm I'm joking.
But um the thing is a lot of flats in Israel in Tel Aviv are basically empty because their owners in France, in Britain, in the United States, keep them as Holocaust shelters.
What kind of people keep Holocaust shelters?
Paranoid people, paranoid, guilty conscience people, people, people, people who suffer, and this is a unique condition that I describe in the wandering who from pre-traumatic stress disorder as opposed to post-traumatic stress.
Alright?
People who are tormented by an imaginary future event.
And why they are tormented by uh by uh by uh by an imaginary future event, because they do understand that some of their actions may have consequences,
and what I don't understand, the missing you know beat here, the missing piece in this puzzle, you know, if they come to me as a collective for for a kind of a group therapy, I tell listen, put these two things together, just look at yourself, stop blaming the so-called going.
Look in the mirror.
Now, what is amazing for me is that this is exactly what Zionism did.
Zion is early Zionists said it's not the going, it's us.
It is our bourgeoisie nature, it is our capitalist nature.
Yeah, the Jewish problem was the term came that came uh was come up coined by the Zionist.
I'm not sure if it was Herzl, but he did use it a lot.
The Jewish problem.
You are right, and and I have a book almost ready for kind of for two, three years now, just dealing with this.
He said because we can't assimilate assimilation is genocide, and that and that will never be accepted, so we have to have our own country.
This is if you read the this is if you read Erzl, yeah, but if you read the the Zionist movement was then um in the first 80 years of this movement, so let's say from 1898 to 1977,
where Menachem Begin became prime minister, the Zionist movement was dominated by labor Zionism, and labor Zionism was all about to the idea of proletarian the Jews.
Take them away from money, take them away from capitalism, take them away from banking, and exactly and and making them and making them into a productive nation of people who are connected to the soil.
Now the problem is that it didn't work, it didn't work, they went back to what they are, you know, and uh one of the reasons that we didn't know about the Nakba is because they were not too proud of what they did.
That three years after the liberation of Auschwitz, they ethnically cleanse the vast majority of the Palestinians building a race-based state.
Three years after the liberation of Auschwitz and Hannah Arendt already understood it in the 60s, and we didn't really look into it.
I grew up in that country, 63.
It was only when I was in Lebanon when in 82 when I started to understand the extent of this expulsion, and I spoke with it with some Israelis that how could you not know?
You know, it's very easy to say.
I'll give you an argument that support the idea of history revisionism.
Now it is not until three months ago, I was the most horrible person on the planet for supporting um history um uh revisionism, but now I think that everyone, everyone in the left suddenly support history revisionism,
the revise uh um the story of uh Churchill and Washington, every every uh character in the history of the West to revisionism, which is actually a good thing as long as they don't fight against bronze statues.
One of the things, one of the things that disturb me when I start to look into uh revisionism is the obvious idea that history is the attempt to narrate the past as we move along,
and this is something that we can never do with Jewish history.
We can do it with everyone's history, but we can never look into the Holocaust or the Nakba or uh or uh the Spanish uh international brigade that the Bolshevik revolution.
I think it's so funny here.
The ADL attacks you, it says Otman has engaged in Holocaust demon diminution and has defended the right of people to challenge historical narratives.
How dare you defend people's free speech?
Because this is exactly this is exactly the thing.
I present an obvious argument.
So now everyone is doing it in the left, finally.
Now what the good example that I give to explain what is revisionism is the Nakba.
So as I said, 82, I didn't know nothing about it, and even when I saw the camps, I realized that my existence as an Israeli was involved with a sin, but I still didn't have the terminology to express it.
20 years later, or 18 years later, the crisis in Kosovo, we start to talk about ethnic cleansing, it becomes a notion.
At that point in time, some Israeli and Palestinian historians, like Nur Masalha, and uh Ilan Pape and few others start to say, hey, what happened in 48 was ethnic cleansing.
So it took 52 years for us to understand the notion of ethnic cleansing, and it evolved thanks to an and another event that is completely unrelated that helps us to understand what happened in the past.
The minute did you know that uh the State Department definition of anti-Semitism says that we aren't allowed to claim that the existence of the state of Israel is racist.
So the so the people that like to call everybody else racist, everybody else supremacist, we're not allowed to call them racists.
Yeah, yeah, it's a I saw that you uh you uh um when you promoted this uh our conversation, you uh were referring to my definition of Jewish power.
Jewish power as I define it is the power to silence criticism of Jewish power, and this is what it is.
The thing is that if they would be slightly more modest, they could have got away with it, but they're not too much Hutzpa, they push it too far, they're pushing it too far, yeah.
They're pushing it too far, and uh a lot of dirt is coming out, left, right, and center.
You know, that's why they gotta spend so much time trying to censor everybody.
Yeah, exactly.
Many of us do believe that we know uh what uh we know pretty much what happened with uh Epstein and Maxwell and Wexner and uh Ud Barak and Dershowitz, we know what is happening there.
The Americans don't know, but they smell a rat.
And I think that COVID-19 is another rut that is related to this mess, and this is why it behaves like nothing that nature could introduce, and this is this is why it is so unfamiliar to us, and this is why we are afraid of the unknown.
Well, canary mission.
I I was just uh speculating and had some suspicions, and Canary Mission did a whole write-up attacking me and attacking all the conspiracies that where people are blaming Israel or blaming Jewish power for uh this plague that we're going through.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I I I don't think that I don't think that uh I I I cannot uh point uh um at uh you know at the exact um catalyst, uh but uh what I do believe that um we are dealing with um with uh a nasty uh uh experiment that could have been a biological weapon or
a medical uh um medically motivated or uh whatever and uh I wouldn't say that Israel is the only uh suspect, but it is um I in the list together with few other countries, and I think that China could be there as well, America certainly, most certainly well, Israel and China and Russia are all allies.
Sometimes they don't show it, but I believe they're all secretly close allies, especially Putin and uh Netanyahu.
Yeah, of course, and what and what I would say, what I would say, what I would like to see, I would like this crisis, and I'm I've been saying it for three months now, to be treated as a criminal investigation, because as we move on, we see that a lot of people are getting ill and get again and becoming carriers, but actually the numbers of people who die is dropping.
So I think that some of our doctors have developed routines, but what we really want to understand is what is happening there, who introduced it, how it was introduced, nobody believes any believes anymore about this nonsense about China.
So we you know uh in accordance with our Western culture, I want to see a proper investigation there.
Yeah, well, I don't think we'll we ever get uh proper investigations.
Um what do you think of this headline here?
Um it says in the is anti-Semitism the only uncancilable offense.
So they're writing articles at the foreword that people uh don't get cancelled or attacked for uh criticizing Jewish power.
I'm sure that you would have uh a few disagreements to say about that, considering how they've constantly canceling you at gigs.
Um then they don't do it constantly, they I mean they do it, they try to do it constantly, they uh um manage to do it uh once or twice uh a year.
Um I think that um and I'm happy when these things happen because it gives me an opportunity to show exactly what is the thing that they cannot handle, and it's basic basically me.
Yeah, I'm a person who never never incited uh hatred, never never referred to the this issue uh or never referred to this issue in racial biological terms.
I am criticizing culture.
So every time they work against me, they give me an opportunity to point out what is it that they cannot allow us to discuss.
And by the way, it is quite it.
My only problem is that I'm not unique anymore.
It is myself, yourself, Roger Waters, you know, and politicians of the highest level level, states leaders.
They're always going too far.
But by the way, I want to mention that this whole idea of council culture is a pathetic Jerusalemite idea.
And I will have to go in two minutes.
I have to be somewhere else now.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry about it.
There was a bit of a mess up on my part with the time.
Yeah, right.
You'll be back on.
I I know you gotta go because you're gonna go do your own.
You uh have your own video or uh schedule, correct?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had a bunch more topics.
We could talk for uh for hours.
I'll definitely get you back on again soon.
I would be delighted to talk with you anytime.
But I just want you because you you raised this issue of council culture.
Council culture is basically excommunication.
Excommunication is a Talmudic culture, it is called Kherem.
They did it to Spinoza, they did it throughout their entire history.
Now, why mention it?
And I want to leave your viewers with this.
I'll go uh despite although I I'm I'm pretty sure that many of them are familiar with my work and and my thought about it.
The world as we know it, can be defined as a battle between two mindsets.
One is Athens, the best place of philosophy, the place that teach us how to think, how to ask questions, beauty, poetry, humanity, universalism.
The other place, the other place is Jerusalem.
Some of my friends are upset that I say Jerusalem, they can call it Mount Sinai, I don't care.
Jerusalem is the best place of revelation.
Instead of thinking, we learn how to obey, how to follow mitzvos, tyranny of correctness against art, against beauty.
It doesn't teach to be morals.
I'm sorry, Judaism doesn't necessarily teach to be moral, it teaches you to follow the commandments, which are immoral.
Yes, there is no ethics in Judaism.
Ethics is replaced by mixvot.
I'm not trying to put down Judaism.
This is the trick.
We have commandments that tell us 613 mitzvot, they tell us what to do.
Now, what we see now in the left is Jerusalem.
It's not because they are Jews, it is because they follow this mindset.
They follow the idea of tyranny of correctness, obey, obey, obey, obey.
We have to remember everything that is good about the West came from Athens.
Democracy, philosophy, science.
I would have liked to say math, but math came from probably from uh from Egypt.
You know, uh, I'm talking about the West.
Yeah, so maybe Occlidian geometry.
It is the way we learn to think.
And this is what we need now.
We must reinstate Athens and cleanse ourselves of this poisonous Jerusalemite spirit.
I'm not talking about Jerusalem as Jews as this mindset that is now fundamental to progressives.
What are progressives?
Progressives tell you, listen, I'm progressive, you are reactionary.
It's a form of chosenism.
Anyway, I have to go.
It was great to talk to you.
Well, I'm glad we hear you're a fan of the Greeks.
It's funny that they celebrate Hanukkah, which was in the Maccabees uh slaughtered the Greeks.
But uh thank you so much for coming on, Galad Otzman, uh everybody.
I know you gotta get going.
We'll have to do a another another show very soon.
Your website and Facebook and Twitter are all linked down below if people want to follow.
And uh and thank you, and I'll I'll talk to you again soon.
Thank you so much.
Bye bye.
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