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May 24, 2019 - Know More News - Adam Green
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The Christian Zionist Deception w/ Pastor Chuck Baldwin
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
I'm Adam Green with No More News.
It's May 23rd, 2019.
And today I'm honored to be joined with my special guest, Pastor Chuck Baldwin.
Pastor Baldwin has been an ordained pastor since 1975, over 37 years.
He was the Constitutional Party vice president nominee in 2004 and the presidential nominee in 2008.
He's a prolific newspaper and internet columnist.
He's made numerous media and documentary appearances and currently preaches at the Liberty Fellowship in Montana.
His website can be found at Liberty Fellowship Montana.com.
And his sermons can be seen at his YouTube channel, Liberty Fellowship Montana.
All the links will be in the description below.
Well, welcome, Pastor Baldwin.
Thank you for joining us today.
It's an honor to have you here.
Thank you, Adam.
It's an honor to be with you.
I appreciate so much the work that you're doing, and I am looking forward to this discussion with you today.
Thank you very much.
As am I. Thanks for being here.
I've had tons of requests to have you because my audience has seen how you're courageously and uh outspoken speaking out against the false doctrine of Christian Zionism.
So I wanted to you're you're really preaching to the choir here with my audience, but I just wanted to bring you on to explain your story of uh of coming uh to realize the the really the heresy of Christian Zionism and to help give my audience the the tools and the information to uh wake up minds to spread the information to share the video and uh it's because it's just become so clear that Israel exerts such immense control over the United States via
the Christian Zionism of the evangelical uh the evangelical right.
So uh thank you for being here.
Uh, how about we start with uh you explaining your story and your history of of waking up to Zionism.
Yeah, thank you very much.
I I really want to share this with your audience because I'm I'm probably uh a unique individual in in this regard.
I that your audience needs to understand that you know, as you said, I was ordained in 1975, and I pastored a fairly large church in the Panhandle of Florida for 35 years.
I was schooled in one of the flagship Christian Zionist colleges in the country, now that's called Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.
When I was there, uh it was not called Liberty University, it was at the very beginning stages of the college, it was called Liberty Baptist College at that point.
But that's where I graduated in 1975, and obviously the doctrines of of Christian Zionism were were taught exclusively in that school, and I was a transfer from another Bible college in the Midwest, and that school likewise was a Christian Zionist college.
So all of my formal training was founded and grounded in Christian Zionism.
So the only thing I knew on on prophecy regarding Israel was what I was taught.
So I, as a pastor, I regurgitated that information for the next thirty years in my church.
And I believed it, I taught it, I really didn't question it.
Uh so I mean people need to understand that I'm not a guy that came from a anti-Zionist anti-Zionist Christian perspective.
I was a guy that was actually part of that entire system for over three decades.
So my process goes probably starts about 2007.
And in about 2007, I began to be uncomfortable with the dispensational eschatology that I had been taught.
Every time I I mentioned it, either casually or specifically, I got this feeling in my gut that something wasn't right.
I couldn't explain it.
I had no idea why I was feeling that way because after all this is something I'd taught for over thirty years.
I'm going, you know, what is this?
At first I ignored it, I didn't think anything about it, but it never went away.
It persisted continually.
At the very thought of the very mention of the subject, I got this uneasiness in my soul.
So after several months of that, I was sagacious enough to been walking with the Lord long enough to know that when that kind of thing starts happening, that's the Holy Spirit.
So I began to to pray to the to the to the Lord and say, okay, what what is this?
What am I feeling?
What are you wanting to teach me?
What so then I had to go through this whole process of being willing to unlearn a doctrine that I had been taught and that I had taught my entire life.
And Adam I I gotta tell you the the hardest thing for anyone to do is not to learn something.
It's to unlearn something.
It takes far more effort and and time to unlearn a falsehood than it does to learn a truth.
It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled is Mark Twain I believe.
Oh absolutely so my process was I had to I had to unlearn this I mean you know think about it all these years and decades and all these teachings and think of the notes think of the books.
Think think of the material that I had backing up all this perspective.
You know I mean this was something the only thing I knew relative to eschatology was this dispensational Israel first based eschatology system.
And so finally I mean we're talking probably at least a year or more I came to this point.
I said okay Lord I want to know the truth you're obviously trying to to to show me that I'm not understanding truth as I should so I need to know so I I deliberately put aside all my all my books all my all my uh classroom notes all the videos all the everything that I had been taught by man relative to this subject I s I deliberately set it aside.
I didn't look at it I didn't read any of it nothing I I did not look at any man's book.
I didn't look at you know what the Preter said or I didn't look at what the postmillennial said I didn't look at anybody else's version of eschatology I did I didn't look at anything along those lines I just made a conscious decision that I was going to search the scriptures alone.
I was going to pray and ask the Holy Spirit to sh to show me truth and trust God to do that strictly through the study of his word.
And that's what I did for the next several years.
I just got into his word and poured over the scriptures without any human instrumentality to assist me.
And then praying to God to lead me through the scriptures.
And as I began to go through the scriptures with this open mind that I had, this new open mind that I had, Adam, I got to tell you, it was shocking.
Because I came to realize pretty soon in this process that everything I had been taught was, relative to Christian Zionism which they don't even like to call themselves that for the most part but the whole Israel based doctrinal positions of of prophecy was a lie.
It was falsehood it was totally untrue once I came to that realization the shock to my system was I was terrific.
I mean, it was just, oh, my God, I spent the last three decades espousing a lie.
Teaching a lie telling other people an untruth I mean Adam I gotta tell you that's a humbling and and a humiliating thought that here I am a a a seeker of truth wanting to more than anything wanting to know truth wanting to teach truth responsible for the souls of the people that I deliver truth to and here I wake up to the reality that for 30 years I had taught a falsehood.
Man, oh man, I gotta tell you that that caused such a remorse and and such a humiliation of my heart and mind, and I beg God for weeks and months to forgive me and what what do I do now?
And so the more I learned, and the more I was able to start putting this together, then it became obvious that my job was to publicly recant my position, which I have done many times, and then to begin to teach people what is the truth about Israel and what is the truth about Bible prophecy, etc.
relating to Israel.
And so that's what I've been doing, and I I actually started the process of teaching this material in 2014.
And I did it very gradually and very carefully to my congregation here in Callisville, Montana.
I wanted to be sure that you know that I was able to bring these people along in a way that would build their faith and not destroy it.
And so for the last five years, I have been systematically and and very carefully uh bringing these this subject matter to the forefront of the of our people, and now then of course our people are taught and they are solid on the subject, and I'm able to go deeper now into Bible eschatology, and which I'm going to be doing on the next several months and a couple of years.
But the point is is this has been a 10-year plus process for me to unlearn the falsehood that I had learned, and then to begin understanding what is the truth, and then to begin to disseminate and teach the truth to people.
And I gotta tell you, for me personally, Adam, this has brought such a liberation and such a freedom of my heart and my mind and my soul that it's it's undescribable.
I mean, uh it from a biblical spiritual perspective, I've never been happier in my life than I am with the truth that that God has shown me.
And that's not without difficulty, because as you can imagine, the friends, the the co-workers, the people that I had known for over three decades that were my friends, and these were all dispensational eschatologists, you know, who subscribed to the Israel First based prophecy doctrines.
And whenever I first started coming out rejecting this, you can imagine what that did to them.
And you know, of course, I've been called every name in in the book by the Christian Zionists around the country because of that.
But it it it doesn't matter.
You know, the truth sets you free, and I'm a free man today, and I'm loving it.
So that in a nutshell, for the sake of your readers who didn't know, that's my story, Adam.
Amazing.
Yeah, you're certainly uh your experience waking up to this puts you in the perfect position to help wake up others.
And uh that my question is uh a few questions while you were talking there.
Um in your estimation, how many uh d Bible Bible uh schools and churches are Christian Zionist in the United States, and how many are awake and and anti-Zionist?
The vast majority are Christian Zionists.
I'd be hard to put a percentage on it.
But I would I would do it this way.
When it comes to the Baptist uh churches of all all stripes, the Pentecostal churches, the church of God, the Bible churches, charismatic churches, ever all of the churches in in that domain of churches, I would say 98% are are Christian Zionists.
When you start getting into the Presbyterian churches, the Lutheran churches, um, then it drops.
The the the percentage is not as high among those particular denominations.
But obviously the largest groups of evangelical Christians today are in the Baptist slash charismatic slash Bible slash Pentecostal area.
And so in that area of of churches, it's it's a huge percentage.
Oh, wow, awful.
So we have a long way to go, then certainly.
Um I wanted to say, uh, you mentioned the blowback that you got from friends.
I'm sure you had falling out.
Um, can you tell a little bit more about y the cognitive dissonance?
How difficult was it for you to overcome and and realize it and uh how successful have you been at converting people to uh to to learn about the misimp in mis uh interpretations and the the false teachings.
You know, that's that's one of the uh that's one of the exciting parts of this story.
Uh obviously when I first came out in in rejection of of this doctrine that I had believed for so long, the opposition was it it was just unbelievable.
I mean, it was like people were dropping me left and right as a friend, people that were supporting my work financially were cutting me off.
Uh I had no idea Adam, I literally did not know whether or not I would survive financially this decision.
Um I, you know, like every ministry, we rely on the free will offerings of of people to survive and to live, pay our bills, meet our needs, etc.
And I had no idea if we would survive it.
I I really didn't, because the initial year or two after coming out with this, the the the reaction was just massively negative, and people started, you know, stopped giving and and they started, you know, using my name as an enemy of of truth and calling me uh apostate and heretic and all these things.
And and I and there for a while it was it was really I didn't know.
I didn't know if we'd make it.
I mean it it it didn't matter if we didn't make it, it still doesn't matter if we don't make it.
I'm I'm really truly serious when I say that.
You know, if if God cannot sustain us when we preach truth and God chooses not to sustain us when we preach truth, then I would rather I would rather die and and you know be cut off and and whatever and and be true to truth than to be successful financially and and and preach a lie.
So uh the cost I never I never thought about the cost.
It I mean d I oh I shouldn't say I didn't think about it, but it never bothered me, never I was never tempted to change my position and say, oh well wait, wait, wait, wait a minute, guys.
You know, I I I misspoke and I that never came into my mind.
If I die, I die.
And so the first couple of years w was were pretty rough.
And then it changed.
People started hearing the message.
They started assimilating the message.
It started making sense to them, and and and it resonated in their minds.
And now then there was a shift, and I could feel it, and people were getting it, and I started having people by the scores, and now it's by the hundreds and maybe even thousands, that are saying, you know, wow, I I get it, I get it, I understand it.
You know, I was I was right where you were.
I mean, I can't believe I believed the way I did, and and they're coming on board, and and the exciting thing to me, Adam, is I believe personally, that there is a moving of the Holy Spirit of God.
It's not Chuck Baldwin, you know, this is not Adam Green, this is not any particular individual that's doing this.
I believe this is a moving of the Holy Spirit of God that is enlightening people's hearts and minds, illuminating them to the truth, and and they're and they are rejecting this awful, terrible uh Christian Zionist doctrine.
And so I believe that this is a uh a momentum that God has started.
I just believe that maybe I was privileged to be in on maybe some of the beginning of it, and like like you are.
But I I think this thing is growing beyond us.
This this thing is growing to a point that God is unveiling his truth to people in a way that they are waking up to it.
People that have never heard of me, people that have never heard of some of these other folks that are putting out the truth, but on their own, just like I did, on their own, they're coming to the truth, and then they're hearing us over the air or the internet or television or whatever it is, And they're and it's resonating.
And they're going, Oh, yeah, that's that's what God showed me.
And that oh, I'm so thankful I found somebody that believes this, somebody that can reaffirm that which I've been taught.
And that's what I'm finding now.
I I think that the Christian Zionists, even though they have a huge percentage of the pulpits in the churches of the country promoting this stuff, I think really they they need to be a little concerned, and I think they are about the momentum of the shift away from Christian Zionism.
And I think this part of the reason why we're seeing these anti-BDS laws and and you know, Trump is coming out with all this, you know, anti-Semitism laws and education and shutting down freedom of speech in the schools and and passing uh anti-Semitic law.
Now we have a anti-Semitism czar in the White House.
Are you kidding me?
Uh, you know, the Congress, the first bill in the Senate was an anti BDS bill.
I think they're I think they're concerned.
I I think that they're really truly concerned.
The millennials that are coming along, whether they're Christian or not, are losing interest in in their infatuation with with Israel.
You know, the per the the percentages are just flip-flopping from that generation to their parents, you know, they're like 70, 80 percent pro-Israel, and now the millennials are coming and they're like, oh, you know, I don't know if I bought this, you know, 20 or 30 percent pro-Israel, and the Palestinian people are gaining more support among the younger generation of Americans, and that's churched and unchurched.
So I think a momentum shift has taken place, and the people that are still espousing Christian Zionism, I think they really should be concerned.
I think they are concerned.
They seem to be panicking and desperation, and they should be because their house is built uh on a on a house of cards.
You know, they don't have a strong foundation because it's all based on uh on lies.
Um I really I gotta say I really admire and respect your conviction and your courage to uh to do what was right, even though you I'm sure that you experienced a lot of blowback and and hardship with all of that.
And I'm sure that you know their favorite go-to insult to try to dismiss us is to call us a uh anti-Semites, right?
I'm sure you've been called anti-Semites.
Oh, yeah, that that's it.
That's that's the one that they always use because that's become you know the moniker of death and and it's the third rail in politics, it's the third rail in the media.
It you know, it's the thing you cannot touch without dying politically or or financially or whatever.
And so everyone is just virtually scared to death to be accused of being anti-Semitic, and so they throw that out as a way by which to discredit the messenger.
That way you don't have to deal with the facts and the truth of the message.
If you can discredit the messenger by accusing him of being anti-Semitic, then people will automatically go, Oh, this guy's an extremist and we don't want to.
That's so that's a tactic they've used ever since Israel came into existence in 1948.
Right.
The problem is more and more people are awakening to that and and they're not buying it.
You know, they can they can say call you know that doesn't make sense.
Let listen to the facts, listen to the truth.
Let's let's get to the reality of this, quit the name calling, and let's find out what the truth is.
And so I think that the the accusation of anti-Semitic is losing its luster to a large degree.
I sure hope so.
Um, you know, my favorite verse, one of my favorite verses when dealing with how they try to say you're hateful, you're anti-Semitic, is John 7-7, and it is King James Bible.
The world cannot hate you, but me it hateth because I testify of it that the works there are thereof are evil.
I just love that.
So so truthful what Jesus said that the whole world hates me because I testify that you are evil, and that's exactly the situation in modern day with the media, with the ADL, with these Christian Zionist preachers.
Um how successful have you been uh having debates with any of these Zionists?
You know, so far the uh the Christian Zionists have not been eager to to debate with me.
I I I don't really I'm trying to think if I even had an invitation by Christian Zionists to to debate them.
I can't remember actually having an official invitation.
I'm sure they're afraid.
I'm sure that they're they they want to avoid it at all costs at all costs because um because it's false doctrine.
Why don't we get into for so uh all of our Christian followers out there uh we're gonna share the video but to help inform them what are the the best ways that you found to help wake up Christian Zionists that they shouldn't be supporting Israel.
They shouldn't be supporting uh the third temple and all of this uh you know self-fulfillment of of prophecy.
Right.
Well I put together a package of fifteen messages so far and this is not by any means exhaustive or complete.
I'm I'm still preparing more messages for the future going into more detail so I will have many more messages to come.
But right now I have a package of fifteen messages in one in one D V D package and I simply call it the Israel package and these fifteen messages form the foundation of what Christians need to understand the Bible teaches about Israel before we can get into prophecy and specifically because that's where everybody wants to go.
The first thing everybody wants to do is to go on the prophecy.
And really that's the last place we need to go the first place we need to go is in the foundational truths regarding Israel itself.
What does the New Testament teach about Israel?
And so I spend 15 messages, and I include the temple, the third temple in that series, talking about what does the Bible say about Israel?
And this is a foundational series, Adam, that we've distributed thousands of copies to people around the country, and everybody that listens to them writes about everybody.
A lot of people write and tell me, wow, you know, a tremendous series.
It cleared up so many things.
It gave me the foundational.
I never had before and I think we have to start at the beginning.
We have to start at you know from my perspective as a Bible teacher and preacher I want people to understand the the totality of the subject not just talking points on you know um the prophetic scriptures which is everybody's fascinated with prophecy and I understand that but in my view that is a false balance.
We need the foundational truths first and then the prophetic scriptures are built on that foundation.
If you if you only think you have is the prophetic scriptures the talking points of of whatever your position is and you don't understand the foundational truths that were put in place upon which the prophecy doctrines resty doctrines are not built on anything solid.
And so my goal is to try and teach people the foundational truths of what the Bible says about Israel so people get it from the ground up they will understand it and then the prophecy subject will just fit perfectly into the whole picture and they'll understand the whole thing.
So that's my goal personally and that's what we're trying to do and and I'm like I said I'm going to be continuing that that subject matter in the months and and even years to come but this foundational package that I have these 15 messages called the Israel package is is the starting place.
It's the foundation it's the cornerstone of the scriptural teaching of Israel and that that's that's what I've tried to do and I think that that's what we need.
I think we need the foundation on which to build this whole theology and without it people are going to be they're they're going to be deceived by a lot of different perspectives and I think it all goes back to the fact that they don't have a solid foundation on the subject.
So that's my goal Adam is trying to build that foundation.
Interesting well you know what I see most often when I'm critical of Zionism is I get Christians commenting saying uh you're c you if you curse Israel you will be cursed.
Right.
Can you uh help straighten out that that uh false talking point I cover that in in the Israel package of you know quite quite a bit.
Yeah they they use Genesis 12 3 and and then Genesis 15 and a couple of verses in the old testament to try to to prove that and of course they completely ignore or are totally ignorant of the book of Galatians, especially Galatians chapter 3.
Galatians chapter 3 makes it I mean expressly clear that the the promise that God gave to Abraham in Genesis 12 3 had nothing to do with the seeds of of the Jewish people plural as if it's talking about this so-called resurrected nation of Israel,
which it's not, but it's ha it's talking specifically about the seed singular of the Lord Jesus Christ, and that we are all children of Abraham by faith in Christ, whether we be Jew or Gentile.
And and the book of Galatians, that's the that's the entire theme of the book of Galatians, is to combat this attempted uh uh Judaization of the church to bring them back under the law of Moses to bring them back under the old covenant and to ignore the new covenant that Jesus gave us through his death on the cross and his resurrection from the dead.
And so, you know, we go into that specifically, and to me that's one of the most glaring weaknesses of the Christian Zionist philosophy, and they continue to regurgitate that that falsehood over and over and over again.
Once you can break through their minds just a little bit with Galatians chapter three and say, wait a minute, read Galatians chapter three now, tell me what that's saying, and then you know, what where is the fulfillment of uh of of that promise to Abraham and tw and in Genesis 12 3?
Is it this strip of real estate over in Palestine that we call the state of Israel, or is it the Lord Jesus Christ and the new covenant through his cross and through his resurrection?
And when you read Galatians and especially Galatians three, there's absolutely no other interpretation that the fulfillment of Genesis 12.3 was the Lord Jesus Christ, and all who have faith in him are of the seed of Abraham, whether Jew or Gentile.
Once you can kind of get that idea planted in the minds of people, the entire house of cards begins to come down because really that is probably the one scripture philosophy that they base their entire theology on.
And and and so it and really that one is is I think one of the easiest ones to disprove.
That doesn't mean that the Christian Zionists are going to listen to you.
They'd rather just worship Israel and use that fall for that fear that you'll be cursed if you don't uh if you don't worship them.
You know, I think it's even deeper than that, and I'm I'm gonna say something.
I've said this before many times publicly, but I'm gonna say it on your show.
I really truly believe that for the majority of these Christian Zionists that we're talking about today, their understanding of Israel and Israel itself, Israel itself, I mean the Israel created in 1948 by the Rothschilds, the this modern state of Israel is essential to their faith.
And when you think about that, that's a strong statement.
I really believe that without Israel, they do not have a faith system.
Their entire belief system relative to Christ, relative to heaven, relative to you know, the coming of the Lord and last things and their eternal state, everything related to Christ and heaven and salvation, etcetera, depends on Israel.
If you take Israel out of their theology, Adam, they don't have a theology.
That's sadness.
No, it's true.
I know it's a strong statement, but I'm telling you, I'm convinced it's true because when when they hear and at as they say see it, an attack against Israel, they react as if it's an attack against Jesus Christ.
It's an attack against their faith.
Because to them, if you take Israel out of their faith, they don't have a faith.
Can I give you one example?
Sure.
Ben Shapiro, Zionist, Jewish Zionist, blasphemer of the Lord Jesus Christ, who has publicly said that Jesus was nothing but a common criminal who tried to insurrect against the Roman Empire and he got what he deserved.
He I mean total blasphemy of our Savior.
Equating him to a a common murderer and and thief and thug and and saying well yeah he got what he deserved.
Okay, so here's this Christian Zionist, Jewish blasphemer of the Lord Jesus Christ.
And Christian Zionists all over America love this man.
Love this man.
They give to his work.
They they send him support financially.
They they watch him on Fox News and other other shows and they and they just adore this guy.
Here's Chuck Baldwin I believe Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son.
I believe he was born of a virgin.
I believe he lived a perfect sinless life.
I believe he died on the cross vicariously for our sin.
I believe he rose literally bodily from the dead.
I believe he's coming literally bodily again to this earth.
I'm a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ.
I honor him I love him I adore him he is my savior and Lord and they despise me.
It's it's unbelievable they love Ben Shapiro.
Ben Shapiro is a blasphemer of the Lord Jesus Christ.
He the Talmud Yeah the Talmud uh speaks very negatively of Jesus and they're still waiting for their their Messiah to come that's why they want to build the temple and they want it to be a military leader and that's what Shapiro says you know Messiah is a is is not a savior.
He's a political deliverer.
He's gonna you know he's gonna deliver the Jews.
He's going to give Jews power over the world, and we're going to rule the world.
But my point here is, Adam, is that Christians who claim Jesus as their Savior and Lord and King will honor and praise a blasphemer of Jesus Christ, and they will attack a believer in Jesus Christ, a disciple of Jesus Christ.
They will love the one and hate the other.
common denominator what's what is the thing that draws them to shapiro it's israel shapiro is a is a uh um zionist he is you know he is a uh a rabid zionist who wants to you know destroy all the palestinian people throw them all out of israel get rid of my out of palestine i mean i mean he's he's a he's a rabid zionist so
these christian zionists love him because he supports israel and they despise me because i do not support the zionist state of Israel.
What about Jesus?
Where's hi where's where is their allegiance to Christ in all of this?
It's not there.
That that's why I'm telling you that if you take Israel out of their faith they do not have a faith any longer.
That's why they hold on to it so strongly it's inexplicable and I've met Christians who say oh yeah my favorite I listen to Ben Shapiro all the time and I say how is that possible?
How is that possible that you worship the state of Israel who who is always historically hated Jesus and I don't it should be so simple to get to to reach people but they just have some it's it's just the control of the media and the churches and the indoctrination and the brainwashing is so strong that uh they're they're succeeding sadly.
It started back in the nineteenth century literally in the in the mid nineteenth century the writings of John Darby but but it was really the Schofield reference bible that was produced in the early part of the twentieth century that started this entire phenomenon.
If you go back and read some of the preachers of that era, like Charles Spurgeon, some of the great preachers of that generation, you know, they tried to warn the Christian people of the dangers of Darbyism and Schofieldism and what was happening, you know, to the uh theology of the churches back at that time.
But whenever the Schofield Reference Bible was produced in in in the early 1900s, uh there was there was a huge campaign by the Zionists to financially to spread that Bible throughout America and the success of the Schoolfield Reference Bible guaranteed the success of the doctrine of Christian Zionism because the Christian Zionism was taught all throughout the notes of the Schofield
Reference Bible.
It was then began it began to be picked up by colleges and universities.
And so now then if you look at the evangelical colleges and universities of the country all the way from my alma mater to the Southern Baptist colleges and universities across the country to the Dallas Theological Seminary and on and on you go, they are all inundated with Christian Zionism and this dispensational prophetic idea of Israel.
And and so you know we're talking about an entire century basically from even before Israel came into existence in 1948.
The Schofield Reference Bible was really a a precursor of that because they knew that it was coming.
They fought two world wars to bring the state of Israel into existence.
They knew this thing was going to happen, but they knew it couldn't be effective without the support of the Christian population in America.
They had to reindoctrinate the Christians of America and that's what the Schofield Reference Bible is all about.
And and so whenever they introduced that Bible and that Bible began to take seed into the into the hearts and minds of the preachers and the college professors and so forth of America's evangelical pulpits and and schools it guaranteed the success of the doctrine of Christian Zionism.
So we so we've been in this indoctrination for a hundred years and more.
And and that's that's why I say that's how deep it it is in into the fabric of evangelicalism and that's why I say you know like ninety per ninety eight percent of the churches across the country are are espousing that's that's the bad news.
The good the good news is what I've already said is that I think that God is bringing America out of this false teaching and the Christians are beginning to realize the the the falsehood of it.
They're beginning to realize the duplicitous nature of it.
They're beginning to see through Schofield's erroneous, fallacious notes on the subject.
And they're beginning to realize that they've been told a lie.
They're looking for truth and they're finding it.
And I don't know how much time it's going to take.
That's the big question, isn't it, Adam?
How long is it going to take for the Christians to awaken to this to a significant degree so that we can actually change the course of the country because our political system is basically being manipulated by the Christian Zionist of of this nation.
Absolutely and so yeah all these all these wars that we're fighting and and all this emphasis on on nation building and regime change and you know all the things that we've been go experiencing since World War II has all been at the behest of the state of Israel and the warmongering Zionists and their plans for a greater Israel which is just the beginning.
Just the beginning yeah so if we if we have enough time if God will give us enough time to awaken enough Christians to this error then not only will we you know save ourselves individually from believing falsehood etc but we also change the course of the country and bring in bring normalcy and constitutional government and liberty back to America again.
I believe I believe that if if we if the pastors of America could could finally wake up to to this Christian Zionist philosophy, repent of it, and begin preaching the truth.
I believe we could have a great awakening in this country like we haven't seen since the days of colonial America when when America was first born.
We need a second revolution, certainly.
Yeah, it can't happen.
That second revolution uh cannot happen without a proper theology from the Lord.
I mean this is of God, you know.
I mean that that was the difference between the American Revolution and the French Revolution.
The French Revolution was built on atheism and the and the American Revolution was was based on God and God's principles and natural laws.
We we can't have revolution of any kind without a proper understanding of God and God's will and God's purposes and God's laws in our in our lives and in our land.
And and right now we are we are blind to those laws and we are we are promoting false religion, false ideology, which is precipitating all of this unbelievably unconstitutional, immoral, ungodly national conduct that we have going on in Washington, DC, and it doesn't matter whether it's Republican or Democrat.
So i the churches are the key, the pulpits are the key.
Everybody keeps looking to Trump.
You know, he's the last great hope of America, blah blah blah.
I hear this all the time.
No, the pulpits of America are the last great hope.
The churches, the preachers, the Christian broadcasters, the T V Christians, the radio Christians, the people that are have the ears of the American people and are spreading the word of God across this country, they're the ones that have the key to change to course the country.
But as long as they are deceived in in this false Zionism, they they are going to do nothing except perpetuate the destruction of our country.
So that the answer is for the churches to wake up to this doctrine of Zionism, repent of it, start preaching the truth, and I believe if they did that, we could have a revival in this country.
I yeah, I I I totally agree with you, and I hope we do it fast because it seems like we're running out of time, things are really intensifying.
Um people need to be vigilant and do everything they can to help wake up the Christians because this is how they're controlling things.
And it seems like they're so close with their g Trump, the m most Zionist president ever in the White House.
All this temple talk about rebuilding the temple, I've seen you covered that on your channel.
What explain to Christian Zionists why helping the Jews rebuild the temple is is the wrong thing to do.
The animal sacrifices and the prophecy, and if you think how close they're gonna be to successfully uh trying to play out these uh self-fulfilling prophecies.
Yeah, wow, I mean, we we could spend quite a bit of time on that because yeah, think of think about what they're doing.
They are helping Israel build a third temple that they believe is prophesied in the Bible, which it's not.
But they believe it is, and so they're going to help Israel, and they're and they're sending money.
They're they're buy they're they're sending donations by the millions and millions, maybe billions of dollars, to help rebuild this third Jewish temple.
So what's gonna happen in the third Jewish temple according to their doctrine?
Well, the Antichrist is going to come and he's gonna appear in the third temple, he's gonna present himself as God, and he's gonna deceive the world, and then he's going to proclaim war against humanity, and he's going to kill maybe three-fourths of the world's population.
N now think about think this through.
Here are people that claim to love God.
Here are people that claim to love people.
Here are claim here are people that claim to love the Jews.
You know, they they talk about the people of the Jews, they call them God's chosen people, right?
And and they you know they love Israel and they love the Jews, and you know that they'll fight any enemy that's the enemy of the Jews and you know, kill all the Muslims and bomb Iran and all this is because they love the Jews and they love Israel.
But here they're pr they're espousing a doctrine that believes that they're gonna build a third temple, the anti Christ is going to come, and through his domination of the world, which starts with his proclamation of God in the in the temple, he's going to murder the vast majority of the world's population, including and especially the Jews.
Now the Christians, of course, they believe they're not going to be around for all this.
They're going to be raptured out at the last minute, you know.
So to me, and I can't believe I used to believe this.
You know, I I look back on this and I just I just scratch my head and say, I can't believe I actually believe this.
Here they are, they're going to build a third temple.
They're going to bring on the Antichrist.
The Antichrist is going to kill most of the people in the world.
He's going to kill most of their beloved Jews in Israel.
They're going to escape it all by going to heaven so they don't have to worry about anything.
But they do this in the name of God.
So by building the third Jewish temple, they're actually assisting the Antichrist.
Right.
But to them, they say, why would they do that?
Well, because they Christ can't come in their theology.
Christ can't come until the Antichrist comes.
So uh I mean follow this by helping the Antichrist come and do all this unbelievable damage to the world, killing three fourths of the population of the world.
Helping the Antichrist is helping Christ to come.
That that's what they believe.
That that is bizarre.
I mean, it is the one of the most unbelievable things a person could could ever believe, but that is one of the one of the very major tenets of their understanding of prophecy.
And so they're very excited about this building of the third temple, and they're all for it, and they're and and they don't even realize that the Bible has talked about the temple's situation, and I I have an entire message on this.
It's in my series, the Israel Package.
Uh, a a counterfeit Israel, a counterfeit temple is the name of that particular study.
Where can people find uh find that that work that study if they if they go to my website uh you gave one of them, but the other one is Chuck Baldwin Live dot com.
Okay.
It's all one word, Chuck Baldwin Live.
It's my radio show, Chuck Baldwin Live.com.
And all of and then there's a a button there that says store.
And when they click on the store, they'll find it.
Uh it's called the Israel package.
And and that and what we're talking about is one of the of the lessons that's in that package.
There's fifteen messages, and one of them is what we're talking about now, the counterfeit Israel, the counterfeit temple.
And I talk about how that for a Christian, and again I go into Galatians chapter four, where Paul talks about the old Jerusalem and the new Jerusalem.
The old Jerusalem, Paul said, which now is, and of course, that was before it was destroyed in 70 AD.
He said, you know, it's it's of bondage.
It's it's it's a it's a system of bondage.
This Jerusalem is a system of bondage.
And of course, Jerusalem was a system of bondage.
You know, they they had uh persecuted the early church, they killed the Lord Jesus Christ, crucified him, they they cre they crucified the apostles, killed the apostles, persecuted the early church.
The Jerusalem was a was a bondage system or a system of bondage, however you want to say it.
Where and then Paul said the the new Jerusalem for us for those those who have faith in Christ, it's the new Jerusalem, the the heavenly Jerusalem that John see coming down out of out of heaven.
You know, that is the only Jerusalem that is it pertains to the to the New Testament church.
The old Jerusalem was destroyed, of course, by God in 70 AD by Titus and the Romans, but that was that was a a system of bondage, and and Paul compares this the city of Jerusalem, the the physical city of Jerusalem that existed in his day to the new Jerusalem, the heavenly Jerusalem.
And he's saying that if it you wanna you want to be loyal to this to this earthly city, you you you he want to show homage to this earthly city.
He says, This is a city of bondage.
This is the bondwoman.
This is the old covenant which kills.
This is the old covenant from which Christ has delivered you from.
Now you have a new a new h a new Jerusalem made by God that that is a spiritual Jerusalem, a heavenly Jerusalem.
That is the Jerusalem that we in the church look forward to.
There is no third temple for the Christian.
There is no hope or there is no holiness in the old antiquated Jewish system of worship and the temple and the animal sacrifices.
And then Adam, let me say this quickly, I don't know.
But animal sacrifices, really, Christians are getting excited about there's going to be animal sacrifices in the third temple.
Wait a minute.
Jesus, the book of Hebrews, very clear, Jesus is our sacrifice for sin once for all.
He's the Lamb of God who shed his blood for the sin of the world.
All of the sacrifices of the Old Testament were merely a foreshadowing, a symbol of that one sacrifice of Christ that was to come.
Now Jesus came.
He gave his life a sacrifice for our sin once forever.
He'll never give himself again as a sacrifice.
That was done once for eternity.
And now then Christians want to go back and reinstate old Testament sacrifices.
Killing animals for the for the remission of sin, etc.
I mean it's unbelievable.
Jesus, if it was so important, Jesus would have said something about help them build the temple, and then I will return.
He didn't say that.
He's the final sacrifice.
The circumcision is of the heart.
Absolutely.
To return to the Old Testament Jewish animal sacrifices, I'll say it straight out, Adam, is sacrilege and blasphemy.
It is it in essence what you're saying is the death of Jesus Christ on the cross, the sacrifice of the Lamb of God was as nothing.
It counts for nothing.
It wasn't man's complete answer to sin.
It wasn't the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of mankind.
Now we got to go back and we got to resume animal sacrifices.
It it is blasphemy.
It is sacrilege.
I cannot believe how many professing Christians are falling for this.
I really believe, Adam, that the Israel deception is the greatest deception to fall on the church since before the Protestant Reformation.
I I really believe that.
We're talking about a great deception.
I preached on that last Sunday, by the way.
Well, I I know you gotta get going.
We're already over uh the time that that uh you agreed to with me.
Um it's so great to have you on and to spread your experience and your message.
Um we've really come full circle because I first learned about you years ago hearing you on Alex Jones's show, and since then I've become a great critic, and now that you've had uh you've seen the light, of course, he won't have you back on because you're not on the Trump train and you're anti-Zionist now.
Right.
Yeah, that's true.
I haven't been on since I started coming out uh uh with my truth about Israel and since I've come you know become a critic of Donald Trump.
I haven't been back on Alex's show, and and I'm really uh I've I've expressed my disappointment in Alex uh since Donald Trump was elected.
But um, you know, yeah, that's interesting because uh, you know, I heard of you several months ago through some of uh of my followers, and you know, they were telling me about this young guy that's really putting out some great stuff about Israel and Zionism, and so I I had a chance to to find you, and I looked at several of your videos, and I said, Man, you're you're putting out some great stuff, man.
So I I appreciate your research.
I appreciate your passion.
I appreciate your your commitment to truth.
God bless you, man.
I hope people supporting you financially and helping you, you know, stay on the air and expand your outreach.
I mean, I'm I'm all for you, man.
I'm praying for you.
I love you, God bless you.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
And people are definitely hungry for the truth, and they can tell, they can tell the light from the darkness when it's it's put in front of them.
So thank you so much, uh, Pastor Baldwin for coming on.
Uh, I would love to have you on again in the future regularly.
It's it's so important to wake up the Christians, otherwise we're never gonna get out of this mess that we're in.
Uh I would love to come back on.
Just let me know and and we'll set it up.
Okay, uh absolutely.
And uh everybody make sure to follow uh Pastor Chuck Baldwin at Liberty Fellows Fellowship MT dot com and his other website, Chuck Baldwin Live.com and give him a subscribe to see his great sermons.
Share them with your Christian Zionist friends or Christian Zionist family.
Uh enlighten yourself, inform yourself on this info so you can even go into these Christian Zionist churches with your friends and try to wake people up and not let them get away with this deception.
All right, Chuck.
Thanks for coming on.
Uh, I'm Adam Green with No More News.
Until next time, I'll see you in the next video.
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