Andrew Klavan satirizes claims that Israeli missiles killed Ayatollah Khomeini while defending Trump's bombing of Iran as a necessary evil against an imperialist state responsible for Hamas and Hezbollah. He argues encryption is a defensive right comparable to bearing arms, dismisses Pope Francis's peace calls as "girly nonsense," and asserts the U.S. will not intervene to build a democracy in Tehran despite CIA involvement. Ultimately, Klavan concludes that while war is hell, Trump has risked his presidency to prevent enslavement, trusting that stability requires mutual threats against enemies who attack free societies. [Automatically generated summary]
Shortly after the recent American bombing of Iran began, Secretary of State Marco Rubio came running into the Oval Office to tell President Trump the Ayatollah has been hit by Israeli missiles.
President Trump said, how many?
And Rubio said about five or six.
So ended the life of the supreme leader of Iran.
The Washington Post immediately ran an obituary for him that stated, and I quote, With his bushy white beard and easy smile, Ayatollah Khomeini cut an avuncular figure.
He was known to be fond of Persian poetry and classic Western novels, especially Victor Hugo's Les Miserables, unquote.
Now, I know what you're thinking.
You're thinking, oh, Clavin, you marvelous merry-making merchant of mirth, what a sparkling comedic imagination you must have to dream up a fantastical and absurd newspaper that would stock its obituary of a monster of mass murder and oppression with a description of his avuncular smile and sophisticated literary tastes.
You must be saying, oh, Clavin, how we held our bellies and laughed hearty harhar when you pretended that a well-respected journalistic institution like the Washington Post, which only recently fired 300 of the 800 people working in their newsroom, would nonetheless have kept on staff the sort of human-shaped but worm-souled font of scatological moral corruption who would spew such flattery at the corpse of a man who murdered tens of thousands of his own citizens, not to mention thousands of Americans.
You're probably thinking, oh, bravo and five stars, you Clavin of Clavins, for inventing an implausible yet biting political satire of the Post worthy of juvenile himself, if Juvenal had allowed his imagination to run amok, making him a juvenile delinquent.
But no, I am not making this up.
The Washington Post, where democracy dies in an ethical darkness so complete that even the fires of hell would be a welcome source of illumination, actually honored the Ayatollah with a description of his bushy white beard and avuncular smile that might have made their readers think, oh no, now that the Ayatollah is dead, who will fly around the world on Christmas Eve to deliver toys to all the good little children?
And the Washington Post was not the only outlet that lamented the death of a tyrant whose personality was in fact greatly improved by his being blown to smithereens.
Tucker Carlson was outraged that a man he called the Pope of Shia Islam had been killed by Jews, those wascals.
After all, why are we making an alliance with wascally Jews when we could be friends with an actual Pope like the Ayatollah?
What have the Jews ever contributed to society besides the Old and New Testament, modern physics, the great old Hollywood that spread American values around the world, countless technological and medical breakthroughs, including a cure for polio, and all the really good Christmas carols?
Tucker was especially angry that Donald Trump had celebrated the death of Pope Ayatollah.
Trump claimed the Santa-like Shiite Pope had tried to have him assassinated.
But no, Carlson, citing anonymous sources close to Candace Owens' imagination, revealed for the first time that the intelligence proving the Shiite Pope had tried to kill our president was unreliable because it had come from Israel.
If by Israel you mean the FBI.
Where maybe the I stands for Israel.
I'm not really sure.
But really, many prominent Jews have also come out against the killing of Khomeini, including Chuck Schumer and Bill Kristol, who were strongly in favor of killing Khomeini until Donald Trump actually helped do it, whereupon they changed their minds so fast that their brains ricocheted off the inside of their heads and flew out their ears, leaving them so brainless that they were reduced to being Chuck Schumer and Bill Kristol.
But you know, maybe these people have a point.
As good Christians, we should restrain our celebratory guffaws at the admittedly hilarious image of the Ayatollah being particleized by his Israeli enemies, and only emit those occasional snorts or snickers that we find impossible to suppress as we wag our fingers at the Israeli Air Force and sternly say to them, booyah, you friends of humankind.
Trigger warning, I'm Andrew Klavan, and this is The Andrew Klavan Show.
All right, your faithful war correspondent has returned, and I'm now reporting to you from the front lines of hilarity.
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Chapter One, War of Words.
Before I get started, I just want to mention that I just now heard that Christy Noam is out as DHS secretary and will be replaced by Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullen.
I think, unfortunately, Christy earned that, but we're not going to talk about it today because I'm just finding out about it right now.
I want to talk about the war, which has been obviously going on in Iran.
And I feel like every time something like this happens, some big event, everybody rushes to their teams.
They go on their teams and they adopt the opinion that that team has in support of the team instead of thinking out where exactly they want to stand.
It's kind of funny to watch the people who are both isolationists but Trump supporters.
You know, what do we do?
Do we stick with our America first isolationism or do we join Team Trump?
But to me, it's like this, it's just not a good way to think.
You know, it's just people start using these stock phrases like war of choice and imminent threat or forever war.
And you think, well, what does all that mean?
And does it apply?
And what exactly is going on?
And meanwhile, the media, of course, is spewing out all these anti-Trump distortions and downright lies, as far as I'm concerned.
And then on the other hand, you have these guys online, these idiots on X, who are saying, well, the media is lying to you, but I'll tell you the truth.
And you think, well, just because the media is lying, you're right about that.
That doesn't mean that you're telling the truth.
You could still be lying.
The same thing is true of people who say, you know, like, the Jews don't want me to say this, or the Democrats will cancel me, or even the MAGA people don't like to hear this.
But, you know, all that may be true, and I'm against canceling, but just because someone's canceling you doesn't mean you're not a lying sack of crap.
I think it was G.K. Chesterton said something like, reformers are usually right about what's wrong, but wrong about what's right.
And so I think that just because you're being attacked doesn't mean you're not an idiot.
So what I want to talk about is not what your opinion should be.
It was your opinion, you'll form your opinion yourself, but how to think about this in this crisis of information with all these things coming in that we can't vet that from people we've learned to distrust and from voices that are coming from the outside that are parading their honesty without any kind of credentials whatsoever.
And I'll tell you where I stand so you can discount any bias I have and make up your own minds.
But let's start with the subject of war, because I think war is something that Americans deal with now extraordinarily badly.
And war is bad.
I mean, I think I've never met a warrior, an actual, you know, soldier or sailor or Marine who didn't think war was bad.
Only arms dealers and armchair generals think that war is terrific.
You know, people understand.
You know, all you have to do is think about what's good.
You know, what is good in life, as they ask Conan the Barbarian.
And no, it's not chasing your enemies before you.
It's like making love to your spouse.
It's raising your children, starting a business that helps people and serves people and gives you an honest living and, you know, inventing things and making works of art that delight people.
You know, all of those things are good.
Sending the best people in your country to kill and be killed is bad.
You don't want that to happen.
And as you get older and older, you start to see it's just a terrible waste of these wonderful, wonderful people.
But we all know, when we stop and think about it, that even war, as bad as it is, is sometimes better than the alternative, right?
You can't make love to your spouse and raise your kids and build your business and do all the things that we do in a happy, peaceful life without somebody ready to fight a war, because that's the world we live in.
We live in a world of bad people where they come and kill you and take everything you have and rape your women and kill your men and do all of those things.
And we have to be defended against that.
The world is just the same as it ever was.
Don't let technology fool you.
We're all still savages and we're all still willing to do the things that we've been doing throughout human history.
And anyone who says that you're a chicken hawk because you never served, and I never served, I regret never having served actually, but who says that that gives you no right to support a war is talking nonsense.
I mean, you should just be more grateful to the people who serve than other people because you didn't serve, and you should be grateful to them for making it possible for you to do, hopefully, the productive, creative, and interesting things you do that a country is here for.
A country is not here to fight wars.
You fight wars to preserve the country so it can do all the things that people do.
So one of the most offensive things I'm seeing from the Democrats, who, of course, immediately are against the war because Trump is for it.
And this is what I mean.
Well, how do we know?
They might accidentally be right, you know, even a stop clock.
So one of the most offensive things I'm seeing is Democrats in Congress are standing up and denouncing Donald Trump in their usual thunderous tones.
And they have a poster of him up behind him and quoting him and quoting him accurately that says, there will likely be more deaths before it ends.
That's the way it is.
As if that were somehow a bad thing to tell the truth.
He's treating Americans like grown-ups and telling them the truth.
That is cruel and unkind to Democrats who live off childish lies that make them feel virtuous.
But a free people need to be grown up and they need to face the truth.
And if you're going to make decisions that you vote on, you should know that when you start a war, young, good people are going to get killed, your people.
So if war is bad, but it's better than some alternatives, like being enslaved or being passively killed or having your country taken away, how do you know when it's time to go to war?
And obviously, if you're invaded, you have a stark choice.
Do I surrender or do I fight back?
That's very stark.
But when you get to be as powerful as the United States of America, you're not going to get invaded.
You know, it's not like you're not going to look up and find like Latvia on our borders.
The brave people of Latvia, you know, that's not happening if Latvia here to take over America.
So you're going to have to make a judgment call.
Is something that another country is doing worth having a bad thing, war, because the alternative would be worse.
And that means you're going to have to make an educated guess before anything really bad happens.
You're going to have to make a guess and depend on the judgment.
Your leaders are going to have to make a judgment call.
You are going to have to depend on the judgment of your leaders.
They're going to have a sense of where things are going.
It's always going to be a war of choice.
That is a BS phrase because any war that America gets into, unless China invades or Russia or something like that, is going to be a war of choice.
We're going to say, no, these people are doing something that is dangerous to us, and we have to make a choice whether a bad thing like war is still better than the bad thing that's coming.
So it's always a stress.
And that means, you know, the New York Times and other Democrat empty vessels are making fun of Trump because he's a gut politician.
We all know this about Trump.
He makes gut decisions.
Here's Hakeem Jeffries commenting on this in the traitorous way that Democrats have where they can't support our troops even while they're in danger.
He's cut one.
Donald Trump said, I had a feeling Iran would attack as some sort of rationale for going to war.
Donald Trump had a feeling that Iran would attack.
The United States government has initiated a war, put American lives at risk.
Six patriots have already been killed.
Thousands of American citizens are stranded in the Middle East.
And he's plunged the entire Middle East into a war and chaos over a feeling.
So the reason that's garbage is because Trump is the man in the arena.
He has to make a judgment call.
It's not going to be us.
It's not going to be Congress, even though they had some vote trying to rescind the War Powers Act, which does give Trump the right to do what he's doing for 60 days.
And Trump is what you might call a right-brain thinker.
That's the modern way of thinking.
It means he's a guy who absorbs the atmosphere and then makes his choice.
And his gut has been really good.
I mean, he's a good right-being thinker.
Another right-brain thinker is yours truly, your humble host.
And you can see that sometimes when Ben and I get into an argument or a debate, you can see he's a left-brained thinker.
He thinks in this very, you know, here what I think is here are the facts and they all work out and it calculates like this.
And sometimes in our arguments, when I turn out to be right, I think it appears to him like magic has happened.
Like, where did that, how did this idiot come up with something that was more true than the polls that I've read and the information that I've got?
It's a different way of thinking.
It's an artistic way of thinking.
And it is the way that Trump thinks.
But he is very good at it.
And he has made some very good judgment calls.
So what has happened here?
Let's just go through this.
Iran is a malevolent power.
They are an imperialist, oppressive Islamist state.
Now, Barack Obama, some of you probably don't even remember this, back in 2008.
The reason he won the presidency was because after 9-11, George W. Bush invaded both Afghanistan and Iraq and was basically trying to transform the Middle East into a more democratic place.
And he got mired in something that we just weren't prepared or had the will to do.
The wars went on and on until people lost interest and were wanted out.
And Barack Obama was running for president against Hillary Clinton in the primaries.
And Hillary Clinton had voted to give Bush the power to wage war and then regretted it later because then the people started to turn against the war.
And of course, the Democrats just run for the hills the minute it's not a popular war.
And so Barack Obama had been against the war from the beginning, and that was one of the most powerful things he did.
And then when he won the election, he started to do everything the opposite that Bush had done.
That was his kind of his calling card.
He said, oh, you know, Bush is fighting this war in Iraq, but he should have stuck.
He should have had a surge.
Bush surged in Iraq, and it really was a brave thing to do.
And it transformed the war and won it until the Democrats lost it.
But, you know, Barack Obama said, no, we should surge in Afghanistan and get out of Iraq, which was exactly wrong, too, because we shouldn't have been in Afghanistan to begin with.
Anyway, the point was he was doing the opposite.
And one of the opposite things he did was he said, we're now going to go into the Middle East and transform our policy.
Israel is not our friend.
Iran is going to be our friend.
And he made this stupid, insane deal with Iran, where if they would just pretend they weren't building nuclear weapons, which they were, he'd give them all this money that had been frozen in sanctions, and that was going to transform them into a good citizen of the world.
Here's Obama explaining this back in the day, cut to.
It is true that if Iran lives up to its commitments, it will gain access to roughly $56 billion of its own money.
But the notion that this will be a game changer, with all this money funneled into Iran's pernicious activities, misses the reality of Iran's current situation.
Iran's leaders have raised the expectations of their people that sanctions relief will improve their lives.
Even a repressive regime like Iran's cannot completely ignore those expectations.
And that's why our best analysts expect the bulk of this revenue to go into spending that improves the economy and benefits the lives of the Iranian people.
Hank, wrong.
It's totally wrong because he doesn't understand who the Iranians are.
So he made them extraordinarily powerful.
He built them up.
Everybody was afraid of them.
They are the source of almost every misery in the Middle East.
Hamas is Iran.
The people who attacked Israel on 10-7, that's Iran.
Hezbollah, who shelled them constantly from Lebanon, that's Iran.
The Houthis saking out our shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, that's Iran.
Virtually all the bad stuff in the Middle East is Iran.
And Iran is building up nuclear capabilities even and was doing this even when they made the deal saying to Obama that they wouldn't.
You know, Zuckerberg Carlson, who's just, the words that come out of his mouth have no relationship to reality.
They have no analog in the real world.
And, you know, he says, well, if Iran gets the nuclear weapon, there's zero chance they'd use it.
Well, look at Ukraine.
If we don't want Russia and Ukraine, why don't we just go in and take them out?
They can't even beat the Ukrainian army.
They couldn't beat our army.
Why don't we just get rid of them?
Because they have nuclear weapons.
It's impossible to fight them because we just don't know if we'll be starting a nuclear war.
If Iran has a nuclear war, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis will all be immovable.
We won't be able to do anything about what they do, and they'll be able to essentially run the Middle East.
One of the reasons Trump's team was able to develop the Abraham Accords was because all of the other Arab states were so afraid of Obama's Iran, of how powerful it had gotten, they were finally ready to talk to Israel and put a deal together.
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Iran is dangerous because of what Marco Rubio said.
Here's Marco Rubio describing Iran much, much better than Barack Obama's got three.
The notion that somehow radical Islam would be comfortable with simply controlling some province in Iraq or Syria is just not borne out by history.
Radical Islam has shown that their desire is not simply to occupy one part of the world and be happy with their own little caliphate.
They want to expand.
It's revolutionary in its nature.
It seeks to expand and control more territories and more people.
And radical Islam has designs openly on the West, on the United States, on Europe.
We've seen that progress there as well.
And they are prepared to conduct acts of terrorism.
In the case of Iran, nation-state actions, assassinations, murders, you name it, whatever it takes for them to gain their influence and ultimately their domination of different cultures and societies.
That's a clear and imminent threat to the world and to the broader West, but especially to the United States, who they identify as the chief source of evil on the planet.
Okay, so that kind of sense was not, was in office when Trump was in office the first time, but then he lost to Biden and Biden brings it all back, brings all of that rationale that Obama had back.
Everything had to be the opposite of Trump again.
And so now Iran gets stronger and stronger and now Hamas attacks Israel on 10-7 back in 2023, committed monstrous atrocities, 1,200 people wiped out, women raped to death, children shot in front of their parents.
That's Iran.
That has nothing to do, it's not the two-state solution.
It's not, oh, Palestine is being unfairly treated.
It is Iran taking over the Middle East and killing the first people they want to kill who are the Jews.
And of course, to get to the big people they want to kill, which is us.
And when the people who came out immediately, like 10 minutes after these horrible atrocities took place, these aggressions took place, the people on college campuses who came out protesting in favor of Palestine, that's Iran.
Most of them, of course, are just useful idiots who've been in school and so their brains have melted.
But the people running those, that's Iran as well.
So Biden was pretending to support Israel while holding them back the whole time.
And then Trump is re-elected and he says, no, kick ass, go ahead.
And if you need our help, we'll help.
So now Israel blows up the leadership, goes after Hamas, goes after Hezbollah, goes after all the proxies of Iran, and then goes after Iran.
And we helped with Midnight Hammer.
That was the bombing raid in June where Trump sent our guys to get rid of three Iranian nuclear facilities, which was good for us.
And he said they were obliterated.
Obviously, that's hyperbole.
That's an unfortunate thing he has.
The Iranians are not stopped by that.
If you haven't watched my interview with Mike Duran that came out on Wednesday, or actually we put it out a little early because of the war, he explains that all they have to do to win is survive.
They're like the knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
Do you remember him?
He cuts off his arm.
This is a little clip of that, cut four.
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
Tis but a scratch.
A scratch?
Your arms off.
No, it isn't.
But what's that then?
I had worse you lie.
Come on, you pansy.
That's Iran.
That's Iran.
They are not going away until like the entire leadership is gone and everybody who follows them is gone.
They're just going to keep coming back and building more missiles and also continue to process uranium to make nuclear weapons.
So, I mean, because we think everybody's a Christian.
Mike Duran said to me that Trump thinks everybody is motivated by the prophet motive.
And I said, in this case, he misspells prophet because they're motivated by this religious thing.
And, you know, we don't understand people who are not essentially Judeo-Christian.
And Judeo-Christian, the anti-Semites hate that phrase, but it's a perfectly good cultural phrase.
It's not a religious phrase.
It doesn't mean Jews and Christians don't have a different religion.
They do, but they have very similar ethics.
When you're in Israel, I've only been there once, but you read the op-eds in the newspaper, you understand the moral system that they're working under.
When Islamists say, oh, we have to blow up our own children to bring about the 12th Imam, we're like, you're kidding, right?
And it's not a joke.
They mean it.
So Mark Levin did a very important interview with Steve Witkoff, one of the two, the major negotiators with Iran and with Jared Kushner.
And no one covered the Levin interview, of course, but Witkoff gave a very good description of the fact that the Iranians were lying and stalling.
They had enough already enriched uranium to make 11 bombs in a matter of days.
They had 12 tons of processed uranium that would hit 60%.
They need to be at 90%.
They would take like 10 days or something like this.
And here's what Witkoff said their attitude was, who's cut five.
Part of the reason we were there for the president was not just to negotiate.
We were negotiating, but we were there to give the president an honest read on what we felt their motivations were and whether they would do a deal and do a deal that was enforceable.
So I'm going to read you what I wrote down at that first meeting as to what they said to us.
Their lead negotiator, the foreign minister from Iran, said the following, talking about giving up the material.
Why would we will, oh, here it is.
We will not give you at the negotiating table what you could not win militarily in Midnight Hammer.
So that's the night in Monty Python, right?
You know, like, yeah, you blew us up, but we're not giving you this material because you didn't get it in the war.
If you couldn't get it in the war, why would we give it to you in a negotiation, you pansy?
You know, this is why the phrase imminent threat is nonsense.
I keep seeing this.
I've even seen it in the Daily Wire.
Imminent threat, that doesn't mean anything.
It is the president's judgment whether the threat is going to come about.
So what happens is this.
Trump obviously realizes from Witkoff and from his son-in-law, Jared, that he realizes that they're not going to be stopped.
They're going to build a nuclear weapon.
Nothing's going to stop them.
They're going to lie.
They're going to stall, but they are going to build nuclear weapons.
And he thought, we're going in, right?
Then Bibi Netanyahu calls him up and he says, guess what?
The Ayatollah and his entire command structure are going on a picnic.
We can hit him now.
And Trump says, well, obviously that's a good thing.
But if you do that, Iran is going to unleash all its missiles and start firing them at everybody.
And one of the ways you know that Iran is the enemy, not just of Israel, but of everybody, is they fire those missiles at everyone.
So he says, if you're going to do this, we have got to go in now, okay?
And that's why it's like in a fist fight, if you've ever been in a fist fight, at some point, you want to be the first guy to throw a punch, but you don't want to throw a punch at somebody who's not going to throw a punch at you.
If a guy has gotten so aggressive, you can see it's coming, you hit him first, right?
But obviously, you don't want to hit him if there's not going to be a fight.
So Trump had to make that decision.
He did.
And so Marco Rubio was asked, why now?
And this was his answer, is cut six.
If we stood and waited for that attack to come first before we hit them, we would suffer much higher casualties.
And so the president made the very wise decision.
We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action.
We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces.
And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties and perhaps even higher those killed.
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And then we would all be here answering questions about why we knew that and didn't.
So, the Jew haters and the isolationists were immediately, oh, we're being controlled by Israel.
This is Israel's war.
Nonsense.
It's nonsense.
We were going in because they were building nuclear weapons, because they are bad guys, and we have a shared interest with our natural allies, Israel, in stopping a malignant power that wants us both dead.
And so, Israel had a shot at taking out the leadership, and Trump thought, good, but it's on.
Now we're going in.
That's how we got here.
Trump's gut told him they were close to nuclear weapons.
They had good reason to think so.
Bibi had a shot at the leadership.
The commander-in-chief made the call.
And I'll tell you, my bias, my bias is I trust Trump on this.
Am I the expert?
Are any of us experts?
No, he's got all the information, but that's not why I trust him.
I trust him because he hates war.
You know, the New York Times says, no, no, he likes war.
No, he wants peace and prosperity.
That is what he wants.
But as Mike Duran said, he knows that this is, he knows he's learned who his enemies are, and he knows we're not going to have peace without us putting them down.
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Why We Left Insurance00:09:53
Chapter 2, A Word About the Jews.
Now, America is such a great country.
It is truly the least bigoted country on earth.
I've been around, it is the least bigoted country on earth, despite what it's you'll be surprised to learn that the Democrats are wrong about everything, but it's true.
Jews have come here and they have faced restrictions and they face bigotry, just like everybody hates everybody else.
So like they, you know, they fate, they faced all of that stuff, but nothing like they did for almost all the history of Europe.
And the reason I'm talking about this is because it's one of the big arguments that people on both the left and the right are making, that we're being controlled by Israel in some way.
So it was nothing like what the Jews experienced in Europe for 2,000 years.
Persecution that is, there are volumes about this.
I've read them all.
The persecutions of the Jews were insane, obsessive, continual, and they were done in the name of Christianity.
And this is, you know, pogroms, restrictions, ghettos, you know, murders, and the Holocaust, which was not a Christian act, grew out of that atmosphere.
So a lot of people, you know, sometimes say, well, you know, the Jews hate Christians.
Well, the Jews have got, you know, this is something that has really oppressed them, and it's a generational trauma, you know.
And this, and it was a big point in my conversion as a Jew becoming a Christian.
I thought, well, don't these people hate me?
You know, I mean, even though I believe in Jesus Christ, do I want to sign on with the enemy?
And a lot of Jews treat me like that.
It's funny.
I mean, not that many, but some Jews will never leave me alone about this because they feel like you've defected to the enemy.
They don't mean when they say that the nice Christian person who's their friend and comes to their barbecues on the weekends, they're not talking about that.
They're talking about that Christianity that tormented them throughout the history of Europe.
You know, it's a very funny thing.
I get crap from Jews as a personal tangent, but I get crap from Jews about for following Jesus.
And then I get crap from Jew haters for being Jewish.
But I do want to say that far and away Christians, I never asked them to accept me.
I never cared.
It was not my why I became a Christian.
I became a Christian because of my love for Jesus Christ.
I've never expected to be accepted, but I have to say far and away Christians have accepted me as a Christian brother, and it's been wonderful, been one of the truly touching things in my life.
So my point is this, though.
The Jews are sensitive.
They're hypersensitive.
And they have good reason.
And Israel is important to them.
Because for all of those years, those thousands of years they were oppressed, they had no country.
And so they had no recourse.
They had no resort.
And people say, well, it's dual loyalty to love Israel and America.
Maybe, but when you've been chased out of every country, you like to have an escape hatch.
And I love the way that people say, well, they've been chased out of every country.
Maybe it's them.
No, it's not.
It's the people who persecuted them.
All right.
So that's why you get guys like Mark Levin.
And I really like, I've read a lot of Levin's books.
He's a very, very brilliant guy, sometimes even a wise person.
I think he's a good person.
But he has that, I don't know if it's a shtick or sincere.
He's always screaming at people, right?
And so you get a lot of this from Jewish commentators.
Somebody who says, you know, I'm not sure that Israel is doing the right thing.
It's like, you piece of garbage.
You think like, whoa, whoa, you know, like, and so people start to think like, well, I'm not going to be pushed around.
And so they take the opposite point of view, which of course is also silly.
Here is what I think about this.
One of the big mistakes of isolationists, and we have some even here at the Daily Wire, is that they think that if you do nothing, nothing is being done.
But that's not true.
The world is always in play.
Right now, China and Russia are maneuvering for power for their oppressive and brutal regimes.
And they do it by establishing alliances with countries who should be allied with us in sensitive regions.
That's how they work.
They don't just, they're not going to come and attack us, but they establish alliances with people and regions.
This is the way the great game is played.
And, you know, when Tucker did that soft soap interview with Putin about his invasion of Ukraine, and I said in one of our backstage gatherings, I said, this is terrible.
Putin is a KGB thug.
I remember that Candace Owens and one Michael Knowles rolled their eyes at each other.
Oh, there goes old Clavin going off against nice Mr. Putin, who's always saying nice things about Christianity.
You know, you can say a lot of nice things about Christianity.
As Shakespeare said, a man can smile and be a villain.
And Putin is a villain.
And the Chinese are villains.
And they want to take our place in the world as the leader of the world.
That is a bad thing.
So they're always on the move, trying to knock us out of the top spot.
And the way they do this is by making alliance.
So if we don't have allies and support our allies and sometimes support them in ways that cost us, you know, bombs and danger, the Russians and the Chinese will build up alliances.
You know, when we went into, when Trump went into Venezuela and got Maduro, there were a lot of suspiciously yellow-skinned people running for their lives out of Venezuela.
Why?
Because the Chinese were there establishing a beachhead with their fellow communists.
We need allies to keep that from happening.
You do not want the Chinese in Venezuela, right?
In the Middle East, a highly sensitive area with a lot of oil, a lot of violence, a lot of weaponry, Israel is a natural ally because they're a free and tolerant people.
They're not us.
We disagree with them.
We're not a religious state.
We're not a Christian state the way they're a Jewish state.
I get it.
They're different than we are.
That's fine.
They're our natural allies.
We have common values and they need us and we use them for intelligence and for technology and medical developments that they share with us.
Iron Dome, you know, the Iron Dome that they use to shoot missiles out of the sky?
You know, they keep saying America gave it to them.
No, we gave them some parts and money.
We gave them a lot of money.
They built Iron Dome.
That's their technology, which they then shared with us.
And now we're building Golden Dome off their technology.
That doesn't happen with the Chinese.
We don't go to the Chinese and say, could you give us your latest weapon system?
Oh, yeah, we'd be happy to give you that.
No, the Israelis do that.
They share with us because we are natural allies.
The idea that we are controlling, that they are controlling us or that we're fighting their wars is a complete fiction.
I don't know if you remember this, when Trump was brokering a ceasefire with Iran and I think Hamas or Iran, I can't remember who it was, broke the ceasefire.
Netanyahu sent in bombers to bomb Iran and Trump went ballistic and he cursed on the air and he said, these people don't know what the F they're doing and all this stuff.
And he told Netanyahu, bring those bombers back.
They turned around midair and they came back.
I think Netanyahu left one of them out there to save face to drop a quick bomb and get out.
But basically, the minute Trump said, get them out of there, they got out.
We are the bulldog in this relationship.
We are the big dog in this relationship.
So, you know, when you have a bad premise, your conclusion will always be true.
If I say, you know, this is a logic thing.
If I say, if the grass is pink, then the earth is flat.
That's a true statement.
If the grass is pink, the earth is flat.
That's true.
So if the Jews are a malevolent force secretly controlling all things to destroy Christendom, then yes, Iran is wonderful and the Ayatollah is the Pope, as Tucker Carlson actually said.
But it's garbage.
And Tucker Carlson is a wicked man.
He has become, I don't know if he's become that or was always that.
He is a wicked man.
And Megan Kelly has broken my heart by falling for the crap that he's selling, which the words that come out of Tucker's mouth are garbage.
They're just not true.
The things that he says, they are not factually true.
And, you know, when I went on, Megan Kelly, I said, I don't want to come on your show without talking about this.
And she said, I don't want you name-checking Tucker because my audience doesn't care about him.
So I didn't.
I said, you know, I talked about it in vague terms.
I talked about Jew haters and conspiracy theorists, meaning Tucker and Candace, but I didn't call them by name.
But then she had Tucker on and she falls for what he says.
And she says, we're fighting Israel's war, which is simply untrue.
It is factually not the case.
We are fighting a war that we meant to fight with our natural allies, Israel.
And I'm sad to see Megan, who is a very bright and talented woman.
I'm sad to see her going down a dark road.
And I'm not going to be able to go on her show unless I talk about this with her directly.
But even worse, she's made it look like Ben was right when we argued.
I told Ben I didn't think he should call her out.
I still think I was right about that, but now it looks like he's right.
And that I cannot tolerate.
Anyway, I just want to get that out of the way because I think that a lot of people, if you start with this premise that Israel is malignant and is running us, you're going to come to the wrong conclusions because it's factually not the case.
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Chapter three, what next?
We just had these primaries in Texas and other places, and things are going bad for Republicans.
Some of the polls look like they're turning around, but a lot of Democrats are turning out to vote against Trump.
Hispanics seem to be shifting back from Trump.
We'll talk about all that another time.
But Trump is very fortunate in his enemies, which is a great blessing.
And the Democrats are truly, have truly become a party that hates America, that they're now rooting for us to lose this war simply because it would be good for them politically.
And their reaction to the war would be hilarious if it weren't despicable.
They could have said, you know, when this thing started, I didn't post anything online because I thought the only thing I have to post is I hope America wins.
If we're in a war, I want America to win.
Even if we're wrong, I want us to win.
In this case, I don't think we are wrong, but I think, you know, I'm for America, not the Democrats.
Here's just an example from our old friend AOC that's cut seven.
Two things can be true at the same time.
We can acknowledge the brutal reality of the Iranian regime and their murdering of protesters and targeting of people.
And we can also know for sure that a forever war will not resolve that issue.
We've seen what's happened in other areas of the Middle East, in Libya, in Syria, and beyond.
Of course, the war in Iraq.
And we are already at multiple American service members that are dead for an illegal action that the president has pursued with no plan out.
I love that it's a forever war.
It started Saturday.
It's a forever war because they know that everybody's thinking immediately Iraq and Afghanistan, which was fought by a very different team than the team that is in there now.
George W. Bush and his team are not Donald Trump, who is not going to stand for any kind of a forever war.
He's talking about four weeks, which is in modern time.
That's like World War II, as far as the press is concerned.
So it's this forever war.
It's illegal, which is not illegal.
He's working within the War Powers Act.
And then the press, of course, positive we're losing.
I've actually read this in the press, you know, we're losing, we're running out of weapons, the gas is spiking, the market is crashing, everything is terrible, and there's very, very bad things and all this.
And of course, it's just nonsense.
Iran's defenses are being depleted.
Their infrastructure, and they have these missile cities where they bury, they hide all their missiles, which they have a lot of.
And like I said, they're firing them at everybody.
So we know they're everybody's enemy.
And the reason they're everybody's enemy is anybody who consorts with us is their enemy.
So that means that if we want to make alliances beyond Israel in the Middle East, and we do, of course we do, then we're going to have to get past Iran because the reason they're not allying with us is because they're afraid of all these missiles.
Those missile cities are being buried under rubble.
And the Israelis are using a strategy where they're eliminating the police state, the people who terrorize and kill all those protesters.
So they're leading away for a possibility that the protesters can now become not just protesters, but revolutionaries.
The Kurds, who are very brave warriors, who we have screwed in the past, but the Kurds are now saying they may go in on the ground and attack the leadership.
So things are actually going well.
And I think that Pete Hegseth is talking about, you know, we're here in this to win it.
And I think that, you know, right this minute, it's going well.
It's always a risk.
Donald Trump has taken a huge risk.
He's essentially risked his presidency, his legacy, his power, everything.
He has risked everything to keep America safe because he believes this will keep America safe.
And as I say, I trust him on this.
I trust him on this.
Maybe Steve Witkoff is a clever, evil liar, and maybe the Iranians, as Tucker has frequently suggested, are just lovely, religious people who wouldn't hurt a fly.
Who knows?
But I don't think so.
I don't think that's the way it goes.
And the one thing I would just say about this, and I think it's really important, is when you talk about regime change, well, we're going to have to go in there.
If there's regime change, we're going to—no, we're not.
We're not going in.
I mean, I hope our CIA is on the ground.
I hope we have assets that can twink things this way or that way.
But we're not going in to build a democratic state of Iran.
I want the Iranian people to do well.
Of course, we all, why would we not?
I have no grudge against the Iranian people.
I want them to do well.
I want them to have the freest state they want, but we can't force them to do that.
We cannot force the Iranian people to stand up for themselves.
We can't ensure that they win if they do stand up for themselves.
We are not doing this Colin Powell doctrine that they sometimes call the pottery barn doctrine that if you break it, it's yours is garbage.
No way.
Sometimes you just have to break something.
You have to break it so that it sets them back, so that they can't build nuclear weapons so fast, so that they don't just think they're getting away with this, so that they're not terrorizing the entire region, so that they're not allowing the Russians and the Chinese to come into a territory that should belong, be allied with us.
And so we're not going in there.
So whatever happens after we're gone, you know, it's going to be up to the Iranians.
And like I said, we can help them behind the scenes, but we are not sending our troops in to keep the peace in Iran while they settle their differences and build a new government.
It's not going to happen.
We don't have the will.
The American people don't have the will.
It would be the end of, you know, Trump's, not just Trump's presidency, but no Republican would ever be elected again.
So whatever happens after we're gone, which is going to be in a few weeks, is going to be up to them.
It could be good.
It could be bad.
We can't stay.
But if they start to rebuild their nuclear capabilities, we'll be back.
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Final chapter, Who Would Jesus Bomb?
So I'm watching all the debates about this.
Obviously, I'm reading all the various papers left and right.
And I'm just shocked at the level of stupidity that I'm seeing, just the level of meaningless talk.
You talk about imminent threat, or you talk about a war of choice or, you know, regime change.
You breaking all this stuff to me does not describe reality.
It's not.
It's just not the way it is.
It's just not the way it is.
We may just have to go and degrade all their resources so that they're set back for as many years as as it takes until we come back and do it again.
That may just be the reality of it, and the one that I think bothers me the most is using Jesus Uh To to make these cases, and I don't want to offend my Catholic friends and listeners.
I consider myself a Catholic, though not a Roman Catholic, but the pope is is out of line here.
He's just wrong.
I mean, i'm sorry he weighed in on this.
On X, he says I am following with deep concern what is happening in the Middle East and in Iran during this tumultuous time.
Stability and peace are not achieved through mutual threats, nor through the use of weapons which sow destruction, suffering and death, but only through reasonable, sincere and responsible dialogue, and he followed it with this video cut eight.
Would you imagine what a world without wars would be like, a world without the terror of approaching explosions without rocket alarms shattering the silence of the night.
Please join me this month in prayer for disarmament and peace.
So the problem with all this is that it's girly nonsense.
Basically, it's just not true.
Uh, you know, i'm sorry, it's just not true.
Sometimes stability and peace are achieved through mutual threats and the use of weapons which sow destruction, suffering and death.
And reasonable, sincere and responsible dialogue are useless when you're dealing with crazy people.
I mean, this is the thing about war.
War is bad.
It is always bad.
You don't fight it because you like it, you fight it because you have to.
There may have been a time when Achilles was a warrior, when people were fighting with swords, that there was a certain athletic glory to it.
Now there's certainly a glory in the courage these people show and in the prowess they have with their weapons and in the amazing technology behind the weapons.
I suppose there's some glory there.
But war is bad.
You know, I do do not want our young people dying in these wars.
I get it.
So we're not fighting it for fun, mr Pope.
You know, your holiness, that's not why we're doing it now.
I, I i'm not a theologian and i'm even.
I'm not even a pious poser like Tucker Carlson, who'll say things like, oh, I would never kill a 14-year-old who was spraying my face with machine gun fire.
That would be wrong.
You know, this is just posing.
These things are things that have to be.
Not every war has to be.
Some wars could have been avoided, and that's a terrible thing.
And that's why the president is taking a lot on his shoulders when he says it's time to go.
But still, there are wars that must be fought.
So I'm not going to say what Jesus wants.
us to do.
That would be ridiculous.
I do assume that Jesus assumes that our, I do assume that our moral standards are somewhat in line with God.
In other words, that freedom is better than slavery.
It's better not to enslave your neighbor.
It's better not to oppress your people.
It's better to have a government that's just instead of one that's unjust.
And I don't just base this on, oh, Jesus is nice, so let's be nice.
I base it on the Old Testament, which is inspired by the God whom Jesus incarnated, right?
He's not the Buddhist God.
He is the Jewish God incarnate.
And so the Old Testament is still in play in terms of its values and its ethics, even though its laws may have been set aside.
So, you know, I assume that the justice for the poor and justice for all people and not hurting people, all of that are things that are worth preserving, right?
What Jesus is not for and can't be for is dishonesty, is for describing the world dishonestly.
Since I'm picking on the Catholics, I'll pick on the Protestants.
This is the thing with that happy talk Christianity.
Everything happens for a reason.
You know, everything's great.
I'm deeply favored and highly blessed or whatever it is.
You know, all of that stuff.
No, life is sometimes incredibly sad and incredibly difficult.
And it includes evil and hatred and war and unfairness and suffering and death.
And we have to talk about those things honestly for one simple, as Christians, for one simple reason.
Jesus is the truth.
He said so.
I am the truth.
And the truth is war is a bad thing that sometimes has to happen.
And so when Jesus says, for instance, things that like really jar, when he says, love your enemy, you know, people think, oh, that means I have to, like, what?
What does it mean?
Well, let's think about it for a minute.
I mean, at least he's admitting that you have an enemy.
And if you're a good person, it's very possible, or a good country, it's very possible that your enemy is a bad person, is bad.
This is one of the reasons that because the left doesn't like to think about this, about absolute good and evil, that's why when 9-11 happened, they were so concerned that people would blame Islamists who were to blame.
I don't blame all of Islam.
I think there are many, probably a majority of very nice people in Islam.
But something about that Islam creates Islamism, which is bad.
And when you are running a country where people are free, where women are treated with respect, where the law tries to treat everybody equally, and you are attacked by a country that doesn't believe in those things, you're the good guy.
That's the way that it is.
And I think America, nine times out of 10, if not way, way more than that, is the good guy.
So when Jesus says, love your enemy, he doesn't mean surrender to your enemy, right?
I mean, if your enemy is coming to attack your home or attack your wife, you don't just stand down because that makes you feel like a virtuous person who loves your enemy.
That cannot be logically what he's saying unless he's saying something utterly illogical.
And I really do believe that a great deal of Jesus' preaching is an attempt to get us to see the world differently than we see it as mortals.
He wants us to see it as God eternal sees it.
And that's very different than the life that we're in.
And that doesn't mean we can stop living the life that human beings live.
We still have to do the things that human beings do, one of which is fight wars.
C.S. Lewis said, who was in World War I and was wounded quite severely in World War I, said he thought it was entirely possible that a German soldier and an English soldier who killed each other at the same moment would find themselves the next second in heaven laughing together.
Why?
Because God's ways are not our ways and our ways are not always God's ways.
You know, that guy, I can't remember, his name has slipped my mind, but the guy who just won the primary in Texas was a seminary and is on tape saying God is non-binary.
Well, what crap.
I mean, God, of course, it contains both male and female because he created male and female in his image, but he's not us at all.
He's not us at all.
He created us binary.
That's the key thing that we're talking about when we talk about sex and all this.
So all of these things, to see the world differently, to love your enemy, to understand that your enemy is a person like you, is afraid like you're afraid, is ashamed of his fear like you're ashamed of your fear, is enchained and enslaved by his desires, just like you are, and is ashamed of that and wishes he could be free and wishes he could be a real person who's free to get away from his desires or control his desires.
That is your enemy, and that is you, that is me, that is all of us.
And to understand that is an important thing and changes the way you act and behave and the way you see things and the way you approach war, but it doesn't make things go away.
God does have a magic trick where he takes the evil of the world and brings good things out of it, but the evil doesn't go away.
It may be that God is using October 7th, that horrible, vicious, ugly attack by Iran's proxies on the people of Israel, the peace-loving people of Israel.
You know, he may use that attack for good.
He may use it to bring peace in the Middle East.
may use it to make it so that you know Obama's idiocy in strengthening Iran might serve to bring alliances we never thought were possible between Saudi Arabia say and Israel and bring peace to the Middle East.
God may do that.
But the women and children who were raped and murdered and the men who were murdered, that doesn't, their lives don't go away.
They're not going to find justice in this life.
So God does bring good things out of bad, but the bad remains.
It is woven into the context of history, which is one of the reasons I think the Judgment Day is going to be a lot different than some of the churches teach us.
I think that justice will be done.
And I think justice and forgiveness will come to people that you might not expect, or maybe the rules say shouldn't be allowed, or maybe the traditional reading of the gospels said shouldn't be allowed, because the love and forgiveness and redemption on that day is going to be, I tell you, greater than you've even begun to imagine.
It's going to be more fair and more beautiful and more loving than you can even think about it.
And I truly, I say this without being pious about it, I truly hope to meet my enemies in heaven.
And one reason I hope to meet them in heaven is because I know this.
War is hell.
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From David to the great Clavin, I have a genuine conundrum on my hands and I wanted to reach out to you as you are the Daily Wire host I respect the most.
It's an easy call.
A recent episode produced by host Matt Frad has me deeply concerned.
He put out a long episode titled Why Mormonism Denies God's Existence.
Build it as a deep dive into Mormon beliefs.
I can't help but feel attacked in my faith and I'm baffled how anyone could possibly do a deep dive into our beliefs without including someone who actually believes what we do in the discussion.
I find myself wondering why I should continue paying for a service that uses the money I give them to produce pieces that attack my faith.
I'm asking you, Mr. Clavin, because yours is the show I'd miss most if I were to withdraw my membership and because I really appreciate your wisdom and insights.
Well, David, you know, first of all, I totally understand how you feel.
Matt is a lovely guy and he's a very devout Catholic and his show is called Pints with Aquinas.
It's a very Catholic show.
If that were the content of the Daily Wire, I would tell you you should leave.
But it's not.
I mean, we have very, very different views around here.
I've always been friendly to Mormonism, even though I don't ascribe to it.
But we have different views.
So there are different people here.
And you can't say that Matt is the Daily Wire.
That would be just not factually correct.
You would not be describing the Daily Wire.
I think we have, I've joked about this before.
I do think we have like a lot of Catholics.
We could use a few more Protestants.
Maybe we could even throw in a Jew if it wouldn't bring even more attacks down on our heads.
But I do think that, you know, Matt is speaking his faith and he's speaking what his show is about.
And it's easy.
Just don't listen to the, watch the Matt Frad show.
You know, I mean, I think that I, in your position, this is the only way I know how to say this, in your position, I would not cancel my subscription.
I'm not just saying that because I don't want you to leave, because I think if we were all attacking you, something you deeply believe, I would say, no.
It's not that bad to have somebody among the people you hear. tell you something completely opposite to what you believe.
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As I say, if it were all of us, I'd say leave.
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From Alona.
Dear Andrew, I'm on a mission to get my husband to read instead of scrolling on his phone before bed.
He isn't a major bookworm and says he can never find a good book that engages him.
Do you have any recommendations from your own oeuvre or other authors?
Thanks so much, Alona.
Well, first of all, Alona, leave your husband to do whatever he wants.
I mean, if he wants to scroll, let him scroll.
That's what he wants to do.
Maybe he enjoys it.
Maybe he doesn't want to read.
I think reading is better too.
The only thing I would say is if he's open to listening to an argument, you sent me a number of authors that you thought were good, but a lot of men prefer nonfiction.
So maybe there's a history subject that he'd like to learn about that you could find a really well-written book about.
And he would say, yeah, that's something I'd really like to read.
I'm sure there are adventure novels and action novels, some of which I've written, that he would like, but I think that you'd be better off with nonfiction.
But it's possible that maybe you should just let him be.
Maybe this is what he wants to do.
And he's not hurting anybody.
So leave him alone.
All right.
From Lucas, Dear Clavin, I wrote in a year ago about what I should do about my girlfriend's fear of pregnancy.
I am pleased to report we are happily married with a child on the way.
See, I mean, this show is great.
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You could have a baby already.
What advice do you have for new parents?
You converted to Christianity later in life, and I imagine such a sincere transformation of belief had an effect on your children's own spirituality.
Is there anything you would have done differently?
How should parents properly inculcate Christian values into their children?
Well, I can tell you that the good thing about my late conversion was that, yes, it was obviously sincere, right?
I wrestled with it.
I fought with it.
I thought about it.
My kids heard me thinking it out.
So yes, I think it did have a powerful effect on them.
And they both were baptized afterwards on their own, going on their own way.
But I think that actually mixed in.
The drawback was I didn't get to bring them up in a church where they could have church friends and church values and find out how much joy there is in that experience, which I think there really is a lot of joy in that experience for kids to have like a sort of home where they are among people who think like they do and believe what they do.
And so my kids miss that, and I'm sorry about that, but I was operating on honesty and that was my honest path.
And I'm sorry, that's a drawback to it.
The one thing that I have always thought, and I remember the day that I came home and said this to my wife, whatever your values are that you're trying to sell to your kids, you have to live them.
But more importantly, you have to live them happily.
That doesn't mean you don't struggle at times.
It doesn't mean that sometimes your Christian faith is going to bring you into clashes and it's going to set you back.
I mean, being honest sets you back no matter who you are.
But you should let your kids know that this is a happier life than a life of dishonesty and non-Christianity.
If they don't see that there's joy to it, then why would they say, you know, they're just going to say, I don't want to be like that angry old man who's always yelling at the clouds.
No, you know, I mean, I think that this is, you know, I was talking to Tyrus, you know, the guy on Gutfeld's show, and I was on his show, and we were both comparing our experiences of being blacklisted in Hollywood.
And I said, you know, it was hard.
I mean, I lost, I had to sell my house and all this stuff.
I lost my income almost entirely.
But the one thing about it is when I looked in the eyes of people who sold out, who truly sold out and did things they knew they shouldn't just to stay in Hollywood, I didn't want to be them.
And that's what your children have to see in you.
They have to experience.
Don't just tell them you have to live it.
You have to be joyful in what you believe.
And then your children will be attracted to it and be joyful as well.
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