Billy Hallowell, CBN’s skeptical yet devout documentary host, reexamines supernatural miracles after investigating cases like a paralyzed man healed in prayer meetings and a legally dead patient revived by Dr. Chauncey Crandall—whose "hellish" near-death experience led to his conversion. Hallowell’s Investigating the Supernatural Miracles (cbn.com/supernatural) forces believers to confront unanswered prayers, framing faith as radical trust in God’s power over human desires, even amid secular dismissal. A follow-up film, Angels and Demons, explores possession claims similarly, while his own limo collision warning and daughter’s scoliosis diagnosis reveal divine intervention’s unsettling, personal nature. The tension between expectation and surrender defines the supernatural’s enduring mystery. [Automatically generated summary]
Hey, everyone, it's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with Billy Halliwell, who has been traveling the country looking for miracles.
Now, I don't often have people on talking about miracles.
And I'll tell you why, you know, I have a lot of doubts.
My faith is always very solid because it took me so long to find God that I went down every dead end.
So I actually thought everything through.
And by the time I was baptized, I actually was very convinced.
But if there's any weakness in my faith, it is always in the question of miracles.
Even when I read the gospels, I sometimes think, did that happen?
Is there a reasonable explanation?
You know, that thing is kind of inculcated into all of us that everything has a reasonable explanation.
I actually wrote a character in one of my novels who said there's a reasonable explanation for everything.
And that's the one some people choose to believe.
And I think that that character was more right than I was.
And look, I've seen miracles in my life.
I've experienced the miraculous in my life.
But I've also seen a lot of people who pretend to perform miracles, who don't, who are frauds and clowns.
And that sometimes undermined my faith.
But Billy Halliwell is a person I know.
He's not a fraud, neither a fraud nor a clown.
And he's got a new documentary out.
He's a TV host at Christian Broadcasting Network News, CBN.
And CBN has got his new documentary, which is called Investigating the Supernatural Miracles.
It says cbn.com slash supernatural.
And I want to talk to him about it.
Billy, it's great to see you.
How are you doing?
I'm doing well.
It's great to be here.
So this is a really interesting subject to me because I think a lot of people are starting to realize that the kind of scientistic idea that science has disproved God, I think a lot of people are realizing that's a complete farce.
But the miraculous is difficult.
You know, it's not something you bump into every day or wouldn't be miraculous.
So what did you, or maybe I'm wrong.
What did you find?
Give me the big picture of what you found as you traveled around.
You know, I love what you were saying in the intro about, you know, being cautious.
I think we should be skeptical.
I think it's healthy, especially for Christians, right, to go into things and prove them and not just say, oh, that person said this happened and you just take it at face value.
What I found going into this as a lifelong Christian who went in skeptical was that some of these stories were so provable and so shocking.
You know, I expected to go in and see things that I couldn't explain.
I didn't expect to have these ironclad stories that really I think are even challenging to an atheist.
You know, if you're an atheist and you say, well, I don't believe this is possible, you have to be able to explain how a brain tumor disappeared without any medical intervention, right?
You've got to be able to explain how somebody who was paralyzed suddenly was able to walk and the only thing they did was go to prayer meetings again and again and again.
And so it actually, the biggest surprise for me was the spiritual impact it had on me and making me sort of question and re-question all the things I thought I believed about all these topics.
Wow.
So well, where did you start out?
I mean, let me ask you this.
How did you come to make this?
Did somebody say, I want, you know, you're the guy I want you to make this?
Or did you say I want to make this film?
You know, it's like any, and you know how it is when it comes to movies and projects.
It's almost a miracle to get a movie made.
Like I always joke about it, but it is true.
It is true.
It is, you know, like you have this idea and then you to get to the place where you can actually watch it happen is kind of crazy.
But, you know, I had gone to CBN and said, hey, you know, I'd love to do something on spiritual warfare.
I'd love to do something on, you know, evidence for the demonic.
Does that exist?
Does it not?
And they ended up coming back to me and saying, look, we want to do a TV series.
We want to look at, you know, heaven and hell, angels and demons and miracles.
These are all really difficult topics and they're all things people debate whether they're real or not, even within the church.
And so we started making a TV show series and we said, okay, we're going to do 30 minutes on miracles.
But as soon as we started filming the miracles content, it was so overwhelming and incredible that we were like, look, this is a film.
This is not a TV show.
And so we need to do a series of films and we need to start with miracles.
And so it happened very organically and very quickly, which also doesn't normally happen.
And they said, do you want to host this?
And I was like, yeah, I mean, I'd love to, I would love to explore these stories and see where it leads us.
It's interesting that, you know, you're talking about CBN.
Obviously, Christian is right there in the title.
You know, they're going to believe in this or tend to believe it, but they actually were kind of hesitant to go forward with it.
Yeah.
Well, and I think it's because, you know, you want to approach these things.
And I think we have to be careful as Christians, because again, if people assume that you're superstitious or you're just likely to believe anything, we should always be pushing towards the truth, right?
And the truth should be, hey, maybe that story isn't really actually happening over there.
Maybe that person is saying something is real that's not.
And you have to go where the truth leads you.
And so I think the cautiousness is always making sure that you're diligent.
If somebody comes to us and says they've got a miracle story, there's a team that looks into that story.
You look into medical records.
You want to make sure.
And so we did a lot of that research on the front end of this.
By the time we went out to film a story, we had a really good idea that there was at least solid evidence there that would lead us to very good conversations that we could sort of vet and dig into.
All right.
Give me a story that really blew the top of your head off.
I'll start with, you know, there's one that really, really shocked me.
And we could talk about that after, but the first one, they were all shocking in their own regard.
There was a man named Brian Lapu.
This guy was a cop out in New Jersey and he was just on a normal patrol day.
He's walking and he trips on the ice.
He falls and he breaks his neck.
And at first, the doctor said, you know what, Brian, you're going to be fine.
In a month, you'll be back at work.
That is not what happened.
What happened was that half of his body was paralyzed.
He spent 10 years unable to walk, unable to work, unable to do any of the things that he had previously done.
He could no longer be a cop and was in excruciating pain, had to have surgery.
It became a total nightmare.
And during that 10 years, and this is what's interesting about every story in this documentary, because this was not intentional.
All of these stories, we tell three to four stories in depth.
They all dealt with people who had to grapple and fight.
They didn't just get a miracle on day one.
They didn't just go to God and say, God, heal me.
And they were healed.
In Brian's case, in fact, he was so tired of trying to get healing.
They would go to prayer meeting after prayer meeting after prayer meeting and nothing would happen.
He wouldn't get any better that he told his wife, I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want anybody touching me, praying over me.
I'm done.
And this is where it gets interesting.
His wife said to him, let's go to one more prayer meeting.
Let's just do one more.
She's like, my birthday's coming up.
It can be my gift if you will go with me.
I don't want to give up.
So they go to this prayer meeting.
And this is on film.
This, this moment is on film.
We have it in the documentary.
And he said he felt like somebody lifted him up and pushed him to the front of the room.
He had this leg brace that he, it would kind of let him sort of walk a little bit.
He gets to the front of the room and they pray over him during this meeting and he collapses to the ground.
And what you see on this video, and we interviewed witnesses, the people who prayed over him, his hand for the first time in 10 years, it had been clenched shut, opened up and he walked out of that meeting without that brace on for the first time in 10 years.
And to this day, has had no paralysis, no issue.
And so you have stories like that that are medically documented.
The doctors have no idea what happened that you have to say to yourself, what in the world happened?
It was during this prayer moment that he appeared to have this healing.
Wow.
Wow.
That is kind of amazing.
Now, I had a friend who there's a difference between a miracle happening through prayer and someone doing a healing, right?
And I've always been very suspicious of people who are supposedly healers.
I know it's in the gospels, but the guy, you know, like Christ's arrival is kind of like a nuclear explosion.
Like after a while, I think that power dissipates a little bit.
You know, it's like they were obviously doing amazing things.
I had a friend who dated in her youth, a famous faith healer.
And she told me this story.
And I said, that story never happened.
That never, it never happened.
Do you believe that there are people with special healing powers, or do you believe that it's simply the prayer, the faith, the, you know, and God's decision?
You know, it's really interesting.
And that's a really great question because I'm also hosting a new show after this now, a new podcast with Jen Lilly, who's an actress.
We're doing it together.
It's called Into the Supernatural.
And we're talking to people who are having these experiences frequently.
I think it's a little bit of a semantics game.
Let me say this.
I don't think there's anything special about people themselves.
I think if a healing is happening, if we want to argue that it is happening, that it's happening because God is allowing that to happen.
It's God's power and that it may be happening more frequently through certain people.
Now, there's a discussion about whether or not people have spiritual gifts, right?
There's a whole debate around that.
And I do think it's interesting where the danger is when a person starts to believe that they're the special ones, right?
That they're the ones who are doing it.
God's working through them.
They're not the ones doing it.
But I will tell you, we've encountered a number of people.
And in fact, we have one of them in the film who are, they're seeing an abnormal number of healings when they pray with somebody.
And so that is interesting.
When you have a medical doctor, for instance, like Dr. Chauncey Crandall, who we cover in this film, who is praying with his patients, he started integrating prayer in.
And he claims, and this is a well-respected cardiologist, internal doctor down in Florida, that he has seen tumors disappear.
He has seen all sorts of insane things.
And it happens not every time.
And this is a challenge, right?
Why do some healings not happen and some do?
But many times these people will report seeing healings.
And that is interesting, right?
Because they are documented healings.
When you have this guy's a doctor, he says that a tumor has disappeared.
Obviously, there's going to be some evidence of that, right?
He must have the before and after photographs, right?
Does he present this to anybody?
Does he go out and present that to like the medical community?
Well, here's what's interesting.
And, you know, there are people.
Yeah, the short answer is yes.
In fact, Dr. Josh Brown and Candy Brown, they are working at a secular university in Indiana.
They're a husband and wife.
He's a neuroscientist.
And the two of them have formed an organization where they actually, a few times a year, I don't know the exact number of times a year, where they're doing actual medical research on these cases where they are vetting them and they're being published in peer-reviewed journals.
So there is a whole line of work that is starting to grow of these academics who are Christians who believe that, and again, not every single case, but specific cases that can be vetted where they've actually produced content that even the secular world has looked at and said, okay, something clearly happened here.
Something very interesting happened here.
And they may not be able to explain what it is, but they know that it extends beyond what science can currently explain.
Wow.
So we're talking to Billy Halliwell, who is a host on CBN and has made a documentary, which I've watched and it's quite remarkable.
It's called Investigating the Supernatural Miracles.
You can find it at cbn.com/slash supernatural.
Are all the healings medical?
Or is that, are all the miracles medical?
So the ones we included in this film are all medical.
And the reason for that, I mean, look, and this gets complicated too, because I think a lot of us have had moments in our lives that are small moments and they feel miraculous.
And we can say, you know what?
And sometimes God may even, let me give you an example.
I'll give you one.
And some people may laugh at this one or think it's silly, but I knew that I knew it was God giving me this piece, right?
My daughter was diagnosed with scoliosis, so it's, it was medical, and it was a pretty severe case of scoliosis, and it was going to be a long road ahead.
I was in the car.
I was praying.
I live in New York.
There are not many trucks that have Bible verses on the back of them, okay, driving around here in New York.
But where I'm in the car and I'm praying and I'm like, you know what, God, thank God it's not something worse, but what it is is going to be hard and complicated.
Just give me a sign that it's going to be okay.
And I was really, really struggling with it in that moment.
And I don't ask for a lot of signs from God or anything like that.
I just really needed that.
I look up and there's a Bible verse in front of me on this truck at that moment that gave me a lot of peace and let me know, you know what?
It's going to be okay.
I would consider that for me a little mini miracle in that moment that I needed.
So we have those miracle moments that we all experience, but we really wanted to set the bar 30,000 feet up on cases that seemed unbelievable.
I won't lie to you.
I mean, I'm happy to share one in a moment that when I heard it, I thought there's no way this is true.
And then we went out and explored it.
But we wanted those kinds of cases that were, again, ironclad, strong cases that we could really look into.
And the medical ones tend to meet that benchmark.
I want to get to the case you were just talking about, but before that, do you have any interest at all in the kinds of things like sightings of Jesus or statues that bleed and all that stuff?
I mean, I remember, as you were talking, I'm remembering a story that Anton Scalia, the justice told of a statue right outside of Washington that either wept or bled.
I can't remember what it was.
It was the statue of the Virgin.
She wept or bled.
And the thing about it was the point he was making is no one went out to look at it.
The entire Washington Press Corps, not one reporter went out to look at it and people were pouring into the church.
So I often wonder, like, if nobody's investigating these things, how do we know whether they're happening or not?
But are you interested in that at all?
Or does that seem like it's just another totally different avenue, I guess?
I love that you asked that question.
So the short answer is I am very interested in that.
And you raised something though that I want to address because it even goes back to the question about, you know, science and the fact you have an organization that is looking at peer-reviewed and they're creating peer-reviewed material looking at healings and not a lot of people are talking about it, right?
You would think, and I think part of the problem in the media is if there are legitimate moments, right?
Are the media going to cover them in a fair way?
Do they even have interest or do they dismiss it?
And I think a lot of times we see a dismissal that ends up being unhelpful because it would be great.
If it's not true, go vet it and prove it's not true.
If it is true or there's something there, then maybe we need to look at that.
Heartbeat Returns00:03:59
I would say to you, and then I'll answer your question more specifically.
We've had a number of cases over the years that are interesting.
The Heaven is for Real, the Burpo case where the kid nearly died and said he went to heaven.
You had the case of Annabelle Beam who fell into the tree.
These were news stories that were reported on.
We've even had a couple of outlets, the Indianapolis Star Tribune cover a possession case a couple of years back that was front page news.
So we have started to see media.
And in the 1930s, the media would cover these things frequently.
We're starting to see a little more of that happen, I think, because there's some of this, but I am very interested in this.
And in fact, I'll tell you, and I haven't been able to say this on many other interviews yet.
We are actually green lit to do the follow-up film on this, which is going to be investigating the supernatural angels and demons, where we're going to take the same approach to whether or not possession cases and the demonic are real.
Absolutely.
So yeah, I think we need to keep an open mind.
If somebody is claiming something and they're saying it's true, then we should be looking at that and vetting it.
Absolutely.
So what was the story you didn't believe?
You said there was one that was.
So there was, yeah, there was a case.
And this one is just completely wild.
It was the claim that a man had died for 40 minutes and he had come back to life.
He had been brought back to life.
And the details of this case, there's multiple levels of it that I think make it a little extra bizarre.
When I first heard it, I thought, okay, there's no way this man died and came back after 40 minutes.
He was at the hospital.
He wasn't feeling well.
He collapsed, had a heart attack.
They bring him back.
They're working on him for 40 minutes because he had died.
He was legally dead and they're trying to revive him.
Nothing is happening.
They call his death after those 40 minutes.
Now, the emergency room doctor at the hospital was Dr. Chauncey Crandall, who I just mentioned.
Now, Dr. Chauncey Crandall is on duty.
He's in the room while this man is pronounced dead.
Now, I should mention this, and I won't go into too much detail on it.
People can watch it in the film.
Chauncey Crandall, the doctor who sees miracles, his own son died of leukemia a couple of years before this incident.
And so there's a real moral sort of struggle here because you have a doctor whose son, and he and his wife could not conceive, dies.
You know, they finally conceive.
They have twins.
One of them dies of leukemia.
He's now seeing healing.
So we'll push that to the side.
He's in this room.
They pronounce the man dead.
Chauncey Crandle thinks, well, my work is done here.
We couldn't bring him back.
Goes out into the hallway.
He says when he got to the hallway, he felt God say to him, turn back and pray for that man.
And he thought to himself, that's absurd.
Why would I do that?
This man is dead.
We just pronounced him dead.
Again, he gets the prompting, go back and pray for that man.
He turns back, goes into the room.
And you can imagine the nurse is thinking, what is this nutso doctor doing right now that he's going to pray over this dead body?
Because he says, I'm going to pray.
I'm going to pray over him.
And so he starts praying.
You know, if he didn't have salvation, Lord, you know, help him.
And all of a sudden, Dr. Crandle turns to the doctor, the other doctor in the room and says, shock him one more time.
And they say to him, if we do that, even if he came back, we tried for 40 minutes, he would be brain dead.
It would be an awful thing to do, but he demanded they do it.
So they shock him and immediately a heartbeat comes back, a perfect heartbeat comes back.
This is all medically documented.
And not only does a heartbeat come back, two days later, this man wakes up, is completely fine.
And he claims to have had a near-death experience during this, which I'll also push to the side.
People can watch it.
But, you know, and he came to faith as a result of this, this man.
So we interviewed him.
He was completely healthy and fine after this.
And so you have moments like that where you say, my goodness, what in the world?
Even if you want to say fine, by some fluke, he woke up and he was okay.
That doctor felt compelled to go back in that room.
What would have happened had he not gone back into that room?
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Talking to Billy Halliwell, host on CBN, and he's made a documentary called Investigating the Supernatural Miracles at cbn.com slash supernatural.
I have to say that I mean, not that long ago, a few years ago, I was in a car that was being driven.
I was in a limo, and we were stopped at a light and a voice said in my ear, this car is going to make a left, and you're going to be broadsided at full speed.
And basically, I thought I was going to die, but I didn't believe it.
I just thought I just had that weird sensation.
The car turned, a car came speeding out of the car behind that was, it was hidden behind another car, came right at our car, came so close that as far as my memory goes, it must have hit us and then swerved and didn't touch us.
And I was so rattled by it, I couldn't even tell my wife about it.
And I tell my wife everything, like my wife wishes I would shut up because I tell her everything.
And I, I, and I just said, you know, I heard that.
I heard it say it was going to happen and it happened and it looked like it was going to kill me.
And somehow it didn't.
And it came just at a time when I was worried about that I wouldn't be able to finish something I was working on because I was worried I would die.
I had that kind of morbid thought, like, what if I don't get to do this?
And it was just God.
I felt it was God dumb.
You'll die when I see you die.
Yeah, it's on my timetable, not yours.
Yeah, exactly.
So now listen, I can't.
Yeah, I know.
It was pretty amazing and still rattles me when I think about.
I can't let you escape and not tell me the story of the near-death experience.
I have to hear the story of the near-death experience.
You have to tell this.
The guy who was, he's out for 40 minutes.
You bring him back.
What did he see?
Yeah, this is really interesting because he didn't have a positive experience.
You know, often we hear, you know, I met Jesus and I was, you know, so happy and I felt so good.
He had a very different experience.
He was at his own funeral and he felt like he was being thrown in the trash, essentially.
He felt like nobody was there.
Nobody cared.
He, when he woke up, Chauncey Crandall said, all the man kept saying was, I'm so disappointed.
I'm so disappointed because he was thinking about what it was like to feel unloved, unwanted.
It really felt very much like a hell encounter, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't quite, you know, you hear some of these hell encounters people claim to have had.
They're even darker, but it was very dark and so dark that it led, you know, Dr. Crandall to say to him after, do you, you know, do you want to pray together?
Do you want to accept Jesus?
And he did.
He did accept Jesus and become a Christian.
But that really struck me too, because there's so many layers and levels to this.
And I go back to that doctor.
You know, you heard that voice, right?
You felt that.
You very easily could have, people could ignore all sorts of things they're hearing, but in this case, he didn't.
And it directly led that man to make a decision for his faith.
So what's interesting now is his life has taken a totally different turn than where it was before.
He's happy.
You know, he's living a totally different existence, but it was that sort of hellish experience that I think shocked him into that.
Wow.
Wow.
That's a great story.
So now you're a man of faith.
You were a man of faith when you started this.
Did it change you at all making the movie?
Let me tell you this.
I thought it wouldn't.
I thought, oh, this will be great.
We'll inspire some people.
We'll move on.
It was one of the most challenging.
I also thought this is a light subject matter.
This isn't going to be difficult.
It was one of the most difficult, challenging, you know, spiritually challenging.
Lot of weird things went on while we were filming it, which you try not to read into, but there were a lot of very crazy things that happened um, and I left it though feeling very much like, do I really believe?
If I say I believe in miracles and I love that you admitted too it's like you read through the Bible and sometimes you're like okay, did this happen?
How did this happen?
Or we almost read it like it's a novel, you know, like and um, but it it forced me to re-look at all of these stories and recognize if there's a god who can create me and you to have a conversation right now, to have eyes that work, to have trees that grow and flowers that do all these crazy things, then of course I mean, of course these things are possible.
We don't want to be gullible, but we want to recognize that that they are possible.
But I think, for me, the convict, there were two convicting things, do I really believe these things in my heart or is it just in my mind?
And it really challenged me to to go a little deeper.
But then I started thinking, if this stuff is true, right and it's real and miracles happen, and there are people saying they don't and that there's no hope and that you know, at the end of the day, or the or you say you know there's hope after you die, your healing's on the other side which, for a lot of people, that is true, you not everyone's going to get a healing, you know.
On this side, are we possibly leaving people in a position, like that man who was laying dead, where they could have had a healing or maybe they could have had some breakthrough, but we told them not to believe it was possible?
Um, so that actually haunted me a little bit after, because it just made me wonder, have I been complicit in that?
Have I told you know, have I not given people that you know inspiration to think that maybe they could fight a little harder or believe a little more?
So there's a lot there, but it definitely changed me quite a bit that's.
It's interesting, I mean I, I frequently, especially nowadays, I wonder whether we have been.
I know there's a lot of lack of belief in the Bible and that, of course, that wonderful prayer that's in my head all the time, uh lord, I believe, help my unbelief, you know, which I think uh, a lot of people experience uh, but I, I sometimes wonder if the age of machines, the age of science, has trained our minds to be blind, to be blind to the sort of uh, spiritual events that are taking place right in front of us.
I I wonder, like you know, when you talk about a guy like that who dies, has a kind of dreadful uh, after death or near-death experience, whatever it is, you know, he's sort of he's like oh wow, maybe I should have taken that Pascal's wager there, maybe I should have like uh, you know, grabbed hold of the lifeline while I had the chance.
So I had this conversation with Eric Metaxis the other day where we were talking about the fact that after a while it becomes very difficult to take atheists seriously.
You live in New York yes yeah, you live in New York.
Now there's a lot more religion in New York than people say, but there yes, but but there is also a default atheism among elites at least there always has been when i've been there.
Do you find it?
Do you find yourself growing, especially after an experience like this?
You actually go out and see these miracles, which i've never done, you know, i've never seen.
I've never seen anything like what you're talking about, except in your film.
Do you find it difficult, like alienating, like it's a harder time navigating your way through this essentially secular period?
Yeah Yeah, yes, absolutely.
I mean, especially watching these young people wake up on these campuses.
I mean, you're watching something happen right now that I think is so interesting where you have this dynamic where things feel like they're falling apart and they're chaotic and we've believed all these weird lies and everybody's so confused.
At the same time, there's all these pockets of what people are calling revival, however they want to slap a label on it.
People are waking up.
I think to specifically answer it, yeah, I find it harder and harder to have conversations with people who refuse to even be open.
I can accept, you know what?
I don't know.
I can accept that.
I don't know.
I'm curious.
What I don't understand is absolutely not.
There's nothing there.
And you're a ridiculous person for believing that there is.
I mean, I don't know of anything that was created.
I mean, these are the basic arguments we have, but it's true.
Like what is created from nothing?
What just emerges from nothing?
Everything has an origin.
It always has a beginning.
And so then they'll say, well, God, you know, does God have a beginning?
And it's like, look, at the end of the day, God is the best possible answer.
You know, an intelligent being is the best possible answer for how we landed with all this.
But I do, I do find it challenging.
Increasingly, it actually is almost comical because religious people being treated as though they're absurd when the more absurd thing are the people who are dismissing any possible creator as being a catalyst for any of it.
So, you know, and to your point about New York, there is a lot more faith.
I think there's a lot of lazy faith.
And so that annoys me too, because I don't want to be guilty of that, of this lazy faith where I haven't at least been curious to look for the answers.
And so a project like this is fun because it makes you look at some of those answers and it forces you to some conclusions.
Yeah, I mean, when you talk about lazy faith, I always think of this, you know, that kind of spiritual, but not religious.
I mean, my priest always says, you know, even Satan was spiritual, but not religious.
This is actually a funny line.
Yeah.
So you're dealing with this.
When you get specific, that's when you lose people.
When you say, when you talk about the demonic, when you talk about the angelic, that's when people start to roll their eyes.
You know, that doesn't happen because the one thing we know is that nobody with big white wings is going to appear in front of you, that those were paintings, representations of something.
So you come away from this experience.
I know, you know, I'm not expecting you to be like a theologian, but theologically, does anything change for you now?
Do you, you know, when you confront the fact, for instance, that not everybody who prays for healing is healed, that's a mystery.
That's a puzzlement.
Where do you come down on what you're seeing?
What do you think you are seeing?
You know, it's interesting.
I think it's the embodiment of the death to self.
You know, when the Bible talks about death to self, giving yourself over to God, I think there's these two dynamics that we have to live with.
And especially if you're a Christian and you're reading scripture, it's impossible to read scripture, by the way, and not see this stuff popping off the page now.
Like everywhere I go, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's miraculous.
Oh, my gosh, that, you know.
But, but I think these two dynamics, the one being this belief that until the day I die, if I were terminally ill right now, that I could be healed, that God can heal me.
He has the power to do it, that I'm going to believe that until, and I'm going to persist and fight in that, which I wouldn't have done before this project.
Probably I would have probably given up earlier.
But at the same time, being fully comfortable, and this is the challenging part, and okay with whatever God decides, whatever his plan is, whether he's going to allow there to be a healing on this side or the other side of eternity, which there will be on the other side.
But whether or not I'm going to get that on this side, being okay with whatever he decides, that is a radical form of trust and a death to self to be able to hold those two things together.
And we're humans and it's a challenge and a struggle.
But I think the goal is to be able to get to a place where we can do that.
Yeah, that's a great answer, Billy, because I mean, that was the experience that I had from that car experience that I suddenly noticed, like just kind of without even thinking about it, that in my prayers, I actually had this kind of trust, new trust that, you know, whatever happened, it was not in my hands and it was in the hands of somebody far more competent than I am, which isn't, I could probably say nicer things about God than that, but I'll say that a little bit.
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Billy Hallowell, he is a host on CBN News, and this is a new documentary he is filming on CBN.
It's called Investigating the Supernatural Miracles at CBN.com slash supernatural.
I hope people tune this in, Billy, because I think it's a really good film and really surprising, really different than I expected it to be and different than what I think most people will expect.
It's great to see you, pal.
I'm glad things are going well, and I hope to talk to you again soon.
Thank you so much.
It was great to see you.
Always like talking to Billy Hallowell.
Check out the documentary.
It really is.
It's different.
It is different.
And it is, as I say, at cbn.com slash supernatural.
And I will be here, not supernatural.
What kind of supernatural?
I mean, you know, supernaturally great show on the Daily Wire, the Andrew Claven show on Friday.