Andrew Klavan rejects satire’s anger-driven roots, instead framing Donald Trump’s 34-count conviction (potential 20-year sentence) as a corrupt "lawfare" attack by Judge Juan Merchan and DA Alvin Bragg—backed by Soros-funded bias—designed to sway November’s election. He compares leftist relativism to right-wing conspiracy myths, warning both extremes threaten America’s founding principles of freedom and morality, not identity politics or profit. Klavan urges "friends of the founding" to unite against division, citing historical comebacks like Reagan’s, while dismissing extremist violence as a counterproductive response. The episode blends political critique with promotions for Geniusel’s 25th-anniversary sale and Daily Wire memberships, framing Trump’s victory as essential to preserving constitutional integrity amid institutional decay. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm not going to do a satire today for totally personal reasons, you know, which is basically I've known a lot of guys who do comedy all my life.
My father was a comedian.
I've just known a lot of comedians, and every single one of them has been angry.
I've never met a comedian who didn't carry around a huge load of anger inside him.
When I was a kid, I used to worship Bill Cosby.
I wanted to be Bill Cosby, but when it came out, all the things that he was accused of doing, I wasn't surprised at all because I've never met a comedian who was not lunatic with anger at the world.
So when I realized I was going to be doing satires kind of regularly back in the PJ TV days, I made a pledge to myself that I was never going to write humor from a position of anger because I don't hate the world.
I actually love the world.
I've had a great time here.
And so I wanted to write my satires in a teasing way, like I might tease a friend who was doing something wrong and give him a little stick to bring them, to wake them up a little bit and sort of say, you know, look how corrupt you're being or look how illogical you're being.
And that's kind of the way I've written satires.
And today, I'm just being honest with you.
I've always been honest with you.
I'm just a little too pissed off about this thing that happened to Trump in New York.
I'm too pissed off to get to a place where I can do the, be funny from a loving place as I usually am.
This is my last show before my vacation.
I'm going away with my beloved wife for weeks, plunging you into a vast clavilessness from which you will probably never come back.
But when I come back, we will be laughing again.
But today, let's just talk about what happened.
Trigger warning.
I'm Andrew Klavan, and this is The Andrew Klavan Show.
All right, I'm going to ramble a little bit today because I have to think some of this through even as I'm talking.
Make sure I'm saying what I want to say, but I hope you'll stick with me.
Let's handle our business first.
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Got a lot of reaction to last week's interview.
People did not like my interview with Curtis Jarvin.
They found him frustrating.
I've got a, I'll do a letter in the clapbacks if we get to that.
I understand.
I liked him, but I like everyone's.
And I do understand why it was frustrating to listen to him.
But I thought he was an interesting guy.
We have Eric Kaufman on the interview this week.
He's written a book called The Third Awokening about wokeness, a really different way of looking at wokeness from, say, Carl Truman or Knowles or some of the other people who've written about this.
So we will talk to him.
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All right, let's get to the episode, which is called Guilty My Ass.
So we're not angry here.
We're just a little bit put off.
You know, here's something that is actually unique about the show.
The word unique is overused, but this is unique about the show.
And it's this.
I have always told you exactly what I think, even when it has cost me your love and even when it has cost me clicks and audience numbers or whatever.
And this is not to say that other commentators aren't honest.
There are many honest and excellent commentators out there, but every single one of them will hold something back if they think you won't tolerate it because they have a career and they care about their career and they have families to support and they live off your love and they need your love.
And I am on a mission from God.
So I'm just going to say what I have to think.
And hopefully there's an audience for that.
And if not, I'll go home.
I always love it.
I just love it on Twitter and places like that where people will say, you know, people didn't like your tweet.
And I think like, if you think that that's what's keeping me up at night, you're out of your mind.
But telling the truth really matters to me.
After January 6th, I told you I thought Trump had screwed the pooch.
Those were my exact words.
I told you I thought he'd acted disgracefully in waiting three hours before calling off the dogs before getting out there.
That was a crisis.
He should have reacted.
He didn't.
He was too wrapped up in his own butt hurt.
I've never changed my mind about that.
I've never been convinced that the, even though more information has come out, I have a broader look at it, but I still believe that about what Trump did.
I've never been convinced that the election was stolen.
I believe it was rigged, clearly rigged, but I've never bought into this.
I've never been convinced of that.
And I've lost a lot of listeners because of that.
People get angry at me, even people who have come back later and said, I knew you were right.
I just couldn't hear it at that moment.
But listen, January 6th was bad.
Yesterday in New York was much, much worse.
The idea that January 6th was an insurrection was always nonsense.
It was a clown show.
It was a bunch of people who lost control of themselves.
Even if they were incited by FBI or whatever, they lost control.
They were responsible for themselves, just like all of us.
But this was a true insurrection.
This was an attempted slow-motion coup, this conviction of Donald Trump.
It was an attempt by corrupt urban politicians, which the Democrats have always been since the days of Boss Tweed and before.
The Democrats have always been a corrupt urban coalition.
And I've always, when Obama came to Washington, I said to myself, well, a lot of people said this.
He's not going to be able to bring that Chicago corruption to D.C.
I underestimated him.
He was.
He could.
He did.
And it's just like Jefferson warned us.
Thomas Jefferson always said that when our country stops being an agricultural country and it becomes an urban country, it will take on the corruption of urban areas.
And now we are.
That's something that happened.
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I can't remember.
It was about eight years ago, something like that, when we became a majority urban country.
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I just make it look this easy.
There are no easing things.
So the news, of course, Trump is convicted on 34 counts of something, something, something, something.
We have no idea what it was.
As I understand it, that each of them holds a maximum penalty of four years in prison, but the top amount is 20 years.
That's the way I understand it.
He can appeal and ask the appeals court to keep him out of prison while the appeal is going forward.
He can go to the Supreme Court on constitutional grounds.
The legal experts are saying that it's unlikely the Supreme Court will expedite an appeal like they did with Bush v. Gore.
I don't know if that's true or not.
I mean, anything can happen, but all the legal experts are also saying that jail time is unlikely, that the judge will not put him in prison.
I think that they have mistaken the level of the judge's corruption.
I think this guy is dirty, and I wouldn't surprise me at all if he sentenced Trump to jail time.
Even though I'm telling you, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a legal expert, all the legal experts are saying that's unlikely.
I just think that they are, it's wishful thinking.
One day, I truly believe that one day the future Martin Scorsese, whoever he is, in whatever medium he'll be working in in those days, will make stories in which people play fictionalized versions of Juan Marchant to show you what corruption looks like, just like Tommy Smothers played Harry Reid in Casino.
That's what this guy's future is, his future reputation is.
Because now, of course, the Democrats are cheering and they think this is great.
But one day, of course, the cloud of immediacy passes and you get a historical view of it.
And then we'll see that this guy was like the judge in Miracle on 34th Street, who is just a complete political puppet.
The difference is Miracle on 34th Street, he's taking orders from City Hall.
This guy's taking orders from his heart, which is where the corruption in him lies.
I believe what happened was unconstitutional.
Trump was, the charges were not clear.
It's un-American.
It's shameless.
It was a charge without merit brought by a Democrat partisan DA at the urging of the White House.
The idea, I heard someone on Fox say that this wasn't about Biden, but of course it was.
He made it clear that he was afraid of this guy and he wanted him put away by any means necessary, no matter what it did to the body politic.
The judge was bent.
I don't think, by the way, the judge should have recused himself.
People were saying his daughter was making millions off the Democrats and he had made campaign contributions.
I think a judge should be allowed to do that.
I thought he should have been pulled off the court because he's dirty.
The guy is corrupt.
He was acting badly.
I've been covering this case more than the other guys did.
Remember, I told you at backstage, they were saying we're bored with it, but I thought it was more important than they did because of the depth of the corruption.
The dishonesty just layered into what was going on.
And I've always believed that corruption in leaders was much, much worse than stupidity and bad policy because a stupid leader is at least dealing with reality.
He's dealing with that outer reality.
So maybe he's going to make mistakes, but maybe he'll learn something like Jimmy Carter did when his policies failed.
He changed his mind.
He actually did.
We remember him as a terrible president.
He was, but he changed his mind as he went forward because he was not a corrupt man.
He was a fool.
And that's different.
But a corrupt leader is acting simply on his own gains, his own desires, everything that he wants.
I don't blame the jury for bringing in a conviction.
I don't blame them yet.
I may learn more about them.
They all read the New York Times, which not all of them, but I think 11 of the 12 read the New York Times.
And if you think that's the news, you're a fool.
But I have to say, the judge's instructions, you know, before the jury goes in to deliberate, the judge gives instructions.
The judge went on for an hour and a half with these complex instructions.
If I had written a satire this week, that would have been the satire.
It was like, you don't have to agree on the charges.
You don't have to know what the charges are.
You don't have to know if there were any charges.
You just have to just convict this guy.
Just convict this guy.
Remember in the O.J. Simpson trial, where the guy said, Johnny Cochrane said, if the glove doesn't fit, you have to acquit.
This should have been, we don't want this guy picked.
You have to convict.
That was basically the slogan that the judge put on.
So, you know, if I'm a juror and that's what they tell me, and that's what the judge tells me, I got to respect the judge.
It's his courtroom.
I have no way of knowing whether he's corrupt or not.
If that's what the judge tells me, I might have gone in and convicted too, although I read probably more news than they do, so maybe I wouldn't.
But still.
But just on the surface of this, just on the surface of this, just take the idea.
If I were a prosecutor, if I were a prosecutor and there was a candidate for president, one of the major parties, and I just despised this person, I mean, someone I really despise, like Adam Schiff.
I despise Adam Schiff.
I think he's just dishonest to his feet, right?
But I found that Adam Schiff in my district had done something that I had to prosecute him for, like a murder or a hit and run, or he'd done some really, really bad thing that I, you know, I'm sorry.
Normally I want the voters to have their choices of who is doing what, but in this case, I have to do that.
It would have broken my heart.
I'm not kidding about that.
If I were a prosecutor and had to prosecute Adam Schiff because he had committed a crime, I would have done it, but it would have broken my heart to violate American norms, to violate the sacred right of the people to choose their leaders, to pick their leaders, but have to say, hey, Adam Schiff is, you know, he struck a kid and he drove away.
I'm sorry.
I have got to do this.
I know it does align with my political interests, but that's not why I'm doing it.
It would break my heart.
To charge a candidate for president, a presumptive candidate for president of a major party with basically hitting the wrong tab on his TurboTax drop-down menu.
I mean, that's essentially what they're doing.
And then having it, you know, jiggered up to a felony by saying he was hiding a crime, but it was this crime, but it was that crime, it was this crime.
It was kind of something crime, something, something, something.
Does that strike you that they were reluctant to do that, even a little bit reluctant?
Other people, the feds didn't do it.
The feds could have prosecuted this crime.
They wouldn't do it because they had some semblance, some last hope, some last idea of patriotism, that this is a special country, that this is a great country, a valuable country, a country that has freed every single person who is free, is free politically because of American blood and treasure.
And only the worst possible crime would force me to push this prosecution.
Now, of course it doesn't.
This was a hit job.
Let's get this guy.
It was reckless.
It was reckless of all the things that have kept this beautiful country going.
Even when we were bad, even when we were stupid, even when dumb things were happening, even when we were making mistakes, still, still, still the greatest country that God has ever made.
And it's precious and it's delicate.
And we know that Rome fell and we know that Greece fell and we know that all the great countries ultimately fall.
We want to take care of it.
Does it strike you that they gave a rat's ass about that?
No, of course not.
They are absolutely after this conviction.
Here's Donald Trump.
This is cut 18, guys.
Here's Donald Trump after the conviction.
Listen to what he said, cut 18.
This was a disgrace.
This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt.
It's a rigged trial, a disgrace.
They wouldn't give us a venue change.
We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.
This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.
The real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people.
And they know what happened here, and everybody knows what happened here.
You have a sore respect, DA, and the whole thing.
We didn't do a thing wrong.
I'm a very innocent man.
And it's okay.
I'm fighting for our country.
I'm fighting for our Constitution.
Our whole country is being rigged right now.
This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.
And I think it's just a disgrace.
And we'll keep fighting.
We'll fight till the end and we'll win.
You know, what's bleakly funny about that is, you know, Trump is always up here.
He's always got the hyperbole going.
That's the way he talks.
We're all used to that.
You know, people say you take him seriously, but you don't take him literally.
He's always talking.
But they have actually risen to his hyperbole.
Now he's just speaking the truth.
He's just a guy saying what he sees in front of him.
And everything he just said was absolutely true.
He is not a person who should have been convicted on over 30 counts of felonious counts.
It's just absurd.
It is absurd.
All the judges' decisions went with the prosecution.
According to Trey Gowdy, who was obviously a prosecutor and who was in the courtroom, he said that even the tone of the judge's voice would change when it was different when he talked to one side rather than the other.
Gowdy, who, like I said, was a prosecutor, he said he had enjoyed many pro-prosecution judges in his life, but he had never seen anything like this.
And as a guy who used to cover courts, I have seen biased judges before, but the things that were going on in that trial was unbelievable.
I mean, just completely, you know, they were the kind of thing you expect from a boss tweed environment, but dealing with this national idea, this national event.
And Alvin Bragg, he is the Chicago way.
He's not just, you know, it's Soros financing the Chicago way.
Guy basically doing the things that help his party be his party, keep them in power, a little bit of red meat for his followers.
But basically, he ran on the idea that he was going to convict this guy.
He didn't know what for.
You know, this is one of the key areas of corruption that a prosecutor can have when you prosecute the man, not the crime.
I don't like this guy, so I'm coming after him.
We've all, we commit three felonies.
What is it?
Three felonies a day or something like that, all of us, because the laws are so complex and so overwritten.
So you can always get somebody on something.
A cop once told me, all you have to do if you want to pull somebody over is follow them for one mile.
If you follow a car for one mile, he will go over the center line or something that you can pull him over for.
That's all you have to do.
That's what he did.
He followed Trump until he could twist this idea.
Even so, I mean, this is the most, Trump is the most investigated man in human history, possibly.
And this was what they got him for.
It really speaks very well of him.
So here's Bragg.
He gave a victory press conference afterwards.
This is Cut 19.
The 12 everyday jurors vowed to make a decision based on the evidence and the law and the evidence and the law alone.
Their deliberations led them to a unanimous conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant, Donald J. Trump, is guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree to conceal a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election.
And while this defendant may be unlike any other in American history, we arrived at this trial and ultimately today at this verdict in the same manner as every other case that comes through the courtroom doors by following the facts and the law and doing so without fear or favor.
All right, well, you know, what else is he going to say?
And again, you know, putting it on the jury is smart because the jury are probably the least corrupt people involved.
And like I said, if I learn more that they were corrupt or they were ringers or anything like that, I'll change my mind.
But as it is, I'm just not going to just throw that out there because I'm angry.
You know, I'm not going to throw it on them.
I think he's smart to put it on the jurors because they're probably the least corrupt people in the process, except for Trump and his lawyers.
So we have a presidential candidate now who's been convicted by lawfare, just like you might see in some corrupt South American country or Russia or somebody.
You know, all those clowns on the right who think Putin is great.
He built a cathedral.
Putin's great.
Well, congratulations.
Now you know what it's like to live in his country.
The difference here is that Putin's elections are completely fake, whereas our election system is still operational, I believe.
I know it's damaged.
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I know they do everything they can.
And I think not only Trump could win, but this vastly increases the likelihood that he will win.
And I think that they have made a terrible mistake.
And I'll talk about that more in a minute.
But like I said last week, if the enemies of this country, and they are enemies of this country, if they weren't, if they didn't take this country lightly, if they didn't not understand what this country was, they would not be this reckless with our forms and with our standards and with our law, our legal system, which has been one of the great inventions, one of the great institutions of the country and has kept the country safe and sane.
They would not be this reckless with it if they felt they were strong.
If they felt they were firmly situated in the hearts and minds of the American people, they would not have brought every possible gun to bear on Donald Trump like this.
But they hate the people.
They despise the people and the people know it.
And so they're afraid, like all these types of schmozzies.
They know, they know what can happen.
One day, no matter how much strength you have, always in the back of your mind, you know that you could walk out on that balcony one day and the people are not going to be cheering anymore and then you're done.
And this is, by the way, something that the never-Trumpers never understood.
I think I may have been one of the first to cotton onto this and one of the first to put it into words that this isn't about Trump.
It's really not.
It's about you and me.
When Trump says they're not after me, they're after you.
I'm just in the way.
That's right.
That is right.
This is about the people who were not heard because of the global free market, the money and power that these people imagined from a global world.
You know, it's about the people who care about something other than the system of liberty that was created by our founders.
I've always said that we're no longer dealing with the left and right.
We're dealing with the friends of the founding and the enemies of the founding.
That is what we're dealing with.
And of course, the founding changes over time.
It morphs, it shifts.
But still, those founding ideas, those guys sitting around thinking, how do we keep the power at bay so people can be free?
That was what they were thinking.
And you notice nobody ever talks about that anymore, except for crazy conservatives like me.
Nobody ever says, well, okay, that might be a good thing to do, but what's the cost in power?
This is about the socialist left because they want all the power.
They think all the power should be collected in one place.
They think individuals do things like build businesses and have greed and are powered by their own desires and build families.
And that's not, you know, they know how to get utopia and so they should be given all the power.
But it's also about the hyper-capitalist right, the Wall Street Journal guys who think the borders should be open and that's just fine because think of the money we'll make and the guys who think that the norms matter, but they only matter to keep business flowing and the business of America is business and all that nonsense.
They don't think the culture wars matter.
They don't think the moral standing of the people matter and the moral values of the people matter.
You know, there's obviously the guys on the left who think America is essentially a bad place, right?
This has been one of the things we've heard.
It's racist.
Joe Biden has said this.
He doesn't know what he's saying, but he's echoed that idea, you know, that it's somehow racist, but every other country before, no, no, no, every other country before is just great.
Instead of this country struggling, climbing, clawing its way out of the muck of old ideas and finding a new way to deal with people who were brought over here as slaves, trying to include them, trying to put them in, struggling with the people who wouldn't let go, all of those things that made this country beautiful, though, you know, difficult at times.
You know, instead of seeing that as just all bad.
But now those guys are on the right too.
These people who say, oh, you know, dropping the bomb, we dropped the bomb on Nagasaki because there were Christians there and it was evil.
And if you don't, you know, this is what Tucker said.
He said, if you think it wasn't evil, you're evil, you know, which is just nonsense.
And the difference, I'll tell you this.
This is why the situation is so dangerous, all right?
The difference between the left and the right at this level is this.
The left has piped a corrupt ideology into the minds of the elite.
Not a new ideology.
It starts with the idea that there's no truth.
This has been around since Socrates, since Jesus, Pontius Pilate said, what is truth?
Who knows what truth is?
Socrates dealt with it.
And the philosophers who were saying it's not about truth, it's just about whether you can make the argument.
It's an old, the oldest, oldest corrupt ideology in the world.
And intellectuals love it because it means they can analyze things forever and they never have to go anywhere and they're never responsible to morality.
They're just responsible to their own genius, their own analysis.
And so it corrupts the hearts of the elite.
And they begin to think that they see something new.
Now it's called wokeness.
We see it.
We see it.
You're just the little people.
You don't see it.
But we sit and they become dirty, they become corrupt.
On the right, the difference is on the right, it's about nitwits, okay?
It's about nitwits.
The people who follow this, oh, you know, the Jew haters and the black haters and the people who say, you know, about this stuff about Nagasaki and all this stuff is, you know, we dropped it.
They're Christians there and that's what they're in there.
And that 9-11, that was an inside job and the moon, you know, I saw a guy saying that the Challenger explosion was a, you know, scam because the earth is actually flat and the sky is solid, you know.
They're talking to nitwits.
They're talking to people who don't know anything about history.
They themselves aren't stupid.
The people saying this stuff aren't stupid, but they know that they are talking to people who know no history, who don't even know anything about human nature, who don't know anything about the way things work.
And so the problem with this, and the reason it's dangerous, is that there are always more nitwits than there are elites, right?
This is like if you're in Weimar, you're sitting around going, oh, divine decadence, like in Cabaret, oh, socialism is wonderful.
The wonderful, this is going to save everybody's socialism.
And then one day you look outside and who are all those people out there?
Oh, it's the Nazis.
The nitwits are here.
And they're going to take over because they've got more people.
And that's what historically what happens, whether it's the French Revolution, whether it's Weimar, ultimately, you're sitting around the New York Times saying, oh, it's whiteness.
Whiteness is the problem.
We love Hannah Nicole, what's her name?
Because she hates whites more than other people.
And yes, I'm white, but I'm just so woke that it doesn't matter.
And then you look outside and there are a bunch of fascists waiting for you.
And there are more of them than there are of you.
And you thought the army was going to protect you, but maybe not.
You never know.
And that would be the end of our country.
That would be the end of our country.
I know that people are angry.
I know that when you're angry, you want to see retaliation.
You want to see violence even.
You want to see people, these people arrested.
It is the danger, right, that this could go on forever.
The retaliation could go on forever.
Now, any local prosecutor who doesn't like the last president can bring him in on trumped up charges and keep a guy in a courtroom in Arkansas, not to hit on Arkansas, but just in some place where the elites don't go and hold him to account for some misdemeanor he trumps up into a felony.
This can happen anywhere.
It just happened to happen in New York this time, because that's the biggest place.
That's the most corrupt place.
It's where the most Democrats are, except for L.A.
So, but it can happen anywhere.
He's just a county prosecutor.
He is just a county prosecutor.
And there are lots of counties in this country.
And so this can happen anywhere.
And I believe that that kind of thing, whether it's done violently or not, is the end of the country.
That's the end of the country, because neither the nitwits nor the elites know what this country is.
Neither of them knows how valuable it is.
They are fools, whether they have high IQs or low IQs.
The thing is, the right are more like men, the smartest people and the dumbest people are on the right.
That's kind of like men.
And the left is more like women, that they're a little bit more flatlined in the middle, what Bill Whittle calls the island of 120.
I think that's what he calls their IQs.
They're smart, but they're not that smart.
This means that one way or another, the rest of us, the Americans, the patriots, the open-hearted people of all colors, all creeds, and even on both sides of the political divide, the people who believe that freedom, individual freedom is a good thing, but it requires individual morality.
The people who believe that this is not a white man's country or a Christian country, but a country for anyone who signs on and is willing to do the constitutional thing.
It is built on a secular idea shaped by centuries of Christian culture, which is in fact a Christian idea.
Give the things of Caesar to Caesar.
the things of God be with God, that government is something that is run by Caesar.
We let it go to Caesar so that each person can find his own way to God.
That is exactly the way you would expect a country formed on Christian ideas to look.
Not a Christian country because that would not be Christian.
It is a secular country because that's the Christian idea.
These people, these people who believe in this system, who are the friends of the founding, and there were lefties and righties among the founders too.
These people who made this the most successful, the most powerful, the most free nation that has ever existed, are going to have to find their way to one another.
They're going to have to.
They're going to have to compromise with one another.
They're going to have to talk to one another over the noise and the cacophony that has corrupted all of our conversations.
And it was supposed to.
It was supposed to do that.
Sometimes they wanted to corrupt our conversations for ideology.
Sometimes they wanted to do it for cash because hatred sells, because division sells, because suspicion of your fellow citizens sells.
And we're living in this world of fantasy.
We are living in a world of fantasy created by this cloud of information with no one who is capable or willing to parse it to find the truth.
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The truth, you know, when people say there's no truth, what they're playing on is the fact that the truth is a direction.
You move toward the truth.
You're like Socrates.
You ask questions.
You're like Jesus.
You tell stories.
You move toward the truth because the human beings are not going to get to the truth.
The truth is infinite and infinitely deep.
Only God knows the truth.
But we move toward the truth.
And you have to believe in the truth to get there.
When you stop believing in the truth, you're going somewhere else.
You are going to be tangled in lies.
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K-L-A-V-A-N, there are no easy faiths.
So let's talk about Donald Trump for a second.
And one of the many things I've said that makes you angry sometimes is that you shouldn't worship the guy, obviously.
You shouldn't.
You shouldn't worship anybody.
You don't put your faith in human beings.
This is where human beings go.
But the thing about Trump is that he is a product of leftist culture, right?
He is a guy, a New Yorker.
And when Ted Cruz said he has New York values, and Trump beat him to death with that, but Cruz was right.
He is a New Yorker.
So all of this stuff about sex, the thing that really is crazy about sex with Stormy Daniels, right?
Every day, every day in the New York Times, and I use the New York Times as an excellent example of the old left that has, that's the lies that have permeated our country.
Every day there's a thing about, oh, isn't it wonderful?
Here's a fellow who dresses in leather and beats people, and isn't that wonderful.
And here's a sex club, and here's a thrupple, and here's a quadruple, you know, and here's a different, you know, here are gay people sleeping with other gay people and then sleeping with straight people, you know, whatever.
But don't have sex in marriage because that, you know, you can have a happy marriage with it.
That's marriage.
You know, I heard this rabbi, Jonathan Sachs, one of the great rabbis of England, say that he once said to the BBC, you've done so many shows about marriage.
How about one in which it looks good?
You know, I think that that's the New York Times.
But when Donald Trump cheats on his wife, which is fine because that's, you know, it's a sexual expression, now it's a problem.
Suddenly it's a problem.
He's them.
He's them.
Trump is them.
You know, he's a product of them who said, you know what?
This is what made him so powerful.
He said, this system is corrupt.
I know because I've used it.
I've paid these guys off.
I've manipulated them.
I know it's corrupt because I've been in it.
That was his whole pitch.
That was his whole pitch.
And he operated in real estate in a city full of Democrats.
He operated in show business, in a business full of Democrats.
He is them, and that's why they hate him.
They hate him just like they hate blacks who break out of the left-wing plantation, just like they despise women who won't buy into feminism, just like they despise Jews who say, you know what, I'm a conservative.
They hate Donald Trump because he said, this is a corrupt system.
I know how to manipulate it.
I can manipulate it for the good instead of the bad.
And that's why we love him.
We love him because he turns their methods against ourselves.
And that's why the Never Trumpers hated him because they felt that was corrupting to us, right?
They felt that we were supposed to be the good guys.
And when we join him, we're essentially becoming the product of a left-wing, you know, of a left-wing system that invented Trump, that produced Trump.
New York City produced Trump.
The real estate business in New York produced Trump.
Hollywood produced Trump.
And so basically the Never Trumpers were saying, wait, we're becoming him.
We're becoming him.
You know, it certainly was a problem.
But the thing is, he did turn against.
You know, great poem.
Let me talk about something that the way I think about things.
Great poem, Paradise Lost.
I've talked about it before, John Milton's epic poem about the fall of man, right?
Every undergrad, every college kid in non-graduate college kid who first reads Paradise Lost, including me, thinks Satan is the hero because he stands up to the power of God.
So it's like he's an independent guy standing up against the tyranny.
But the whole purpose of the poem, I remember when I wrote that in a paper, my professor said, this is applesauce, you know.
I said, anybody who stands up against a power as great as God's must be a hero.
And he said, that's ridiculous.
Well, that was Milton's point.
Milton's point was that, because he had helped overthrow the king.
He had been on the side of the revolution where the king was beheaded, King Charles was beheaded.
So Milton was making the point that, yes, you can stand against a king because a king is a man, but Satan was wrong because he stood against God and God is goodness.
So when you stand against God, everything you do is bad.
You become hell itself.
But the thing is, the Democrats think that they're goodness.
They think that they're God, but they ain't.
And so they have turned Donald Trump into a hero.
He is a hero.
When you stand up against a power that includes the academy, that includes Hollywood, that includes the news media, that includes the court system now, that includes anybody who thinks that they can lay a hand on this guy and stop him, and you stand up to them as he has.
You know, he's going to be giving a press conference as I'm, because this is recorded.
He's going to be giving a press conference.
I don't know what he'll say, but I very much doubt it's going to be, I give up, I surrender.
It's just up to them.
And that is what has made him a hero.
And so when I talk about the Never Trumpers, guys of conscience, you know, Jonah Goldberg, he's a man of conscience.
He's not a bad person.
He's not somebody who's saying, I hate this country, like Alvin Bragg is.
He's actually a person of conscience, David French, person of conscience.
But they're mistaken now.
They have made a mistake.
The context in which Donald Trump lives is that he is now our hero.
You wanted a better hero?
So what?
You know, I'm sure the Jews wanted a better hero than Samson.
The guy was a clown.
Trump reminds me a little bit of Samson, you know, with the girls and all this stuff.
But Samson was a hero because of the people he stood against, the Philistines, or as we call them now, the Palestinians.
That's why a lot of these billionaires are now sending Trump money.
I mean, this guy, these are guys, Sean McGuire is in Silicon Valley.
He sent him $300,000.
Ackman said he may back him now.
And he's a liberal.
He's a liberal.
They understand that liberalism is on the line.
Liberalism, in the good sense of this, is on the line.
All right.
So look, I told you a long time ago, I told you more than a year ago the dark times were coming.
That, you know, I'm an upbeat person by nature.
I have no reason not to be.
I've seen very dim things, very dark things happen in the world, and there has been rescue.
I saw New York when it was worse than it is now, and Giuliani saved it.
I saw America when it was as bad as it is now, and Reagan saved it.
I've seen things that you thought were just going to be the end of the world, and they weren't.
I understand that doesn't mean that it's going to work out every time.
I'm not that kind of, I'm not a stupid optimist, but I believe that there's more hope than the people who sell you despair, because they know you'll buy despair.
We're geared, we're evolved to see despair, to see fear, and they know they'll buy that.
And again, I'm on a mission from God, so I don't care whether you buy it or not.
These are dark days.
And if your mama didn't tell you there'd be days like this, your mama lied.
You know, there are days like this.
So the question is, what does God want us to do with the moment?
That's always the question.
You know, it's a question of your personal life, too.
And I think the answer is pretty simple, but hard.
The violence and retribution only serves the extremists.
It only serves the extremists.
And when I say the extremists, I mean the people who hate America from both sides.
The nitwits on the right and the elites on the left.
I think those are the people that we do not want taking over the country.
And if we react by becoming them, we're done.
We're done.
And, you know, I'm sorry.
The Answer Is Hard00:03:21
I know.
You think I don't feel it?
You think I don't know that that's the natural reaction, that that's what, you know, but we who believe in something above the natural turn to that.
And when you ask yourself, what does God want you to do?
The answer is almost never, live out your anger, boy.
That's not the answer you're going to get when you ask that question.
It is always, what is the other way?
And that means we're going to have to make what's left of the system into the system.
We're going to have to make it work.
And it will work.
I'm pretty sure this verdict will be overturned.
I mean, I think that the judge committed so many egregious acts against the system that I think that it will be overturned.
But this is still a body blow.
It's still a body blow.
It's like this idea of retaliatory violence is what undermines all societies.
That's why you invent a justice system.
It is.
This is like the trilogy of the Greeks.
I'm trying to think of the name of it.
It's gone out of my head.
The Oristean trilogy of the Greeks, that one murder, you have to answer that murder with another murder, and then you answer that murder with another murder.
It just goes on forever until Athena comes and says, wait, now we're going to have justice.
We're going to have a justice system.
And these decisions are going to be made in the justice system.
And the furies, the furies who come out in rage after evil is committed so that the violence just goes on forever, the furies are going to be buried beneath the city now, and they are going to have their say, but still, they are not going to be the way we work.
So this is why you have a justice system.
This is why it's a body blow to have these clowns and fools and corruptocrats destroying our justice system, using it to take down this guy.
But again, Again, it doesn't matter who wins, whether it's the Leets or the Nitwits, they are going to take us in the wrong direction.
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The existential threats we face, because I don't think this is the end of America or anything like that.
And I just think like, you know, you get so pissed off in the moment, and I'm pissed off.
You know, as I say, I don't lie to you, I'm not happy about this.
And I'm just, I knew it was coming.
I was not surprised in the least.
I just thought if I were a juror and I know what those jurors know, I was at that level of knowledge, you know, and the judge said those things to me, I'd probably have convicted them too.
But the existential threats we face are from outside, from Iran and Russia and China.
They're kind of, it got us in a pincer movement.
And Joe Biden has no idea what to do about it.
The State Department has no idea what to do about it.
Some people in the military do, but not enough.
And, you know, the thing is, we're living in this fantasy world.
And, you know, let me put this personally for a minute, because that's the thing we have to get out of.
We have to get out of the fantasy world.
And the fantasy world works by us living in our prejudices and our anger and our hatred and the patterns that we have inside us instead of off the face of the world.
You know, this has been a, it's funny.
This has been a great week for me and a very momentous week.
I finished the book that I was working in.
I've been writing it for at least two years.
It has been a bonebreaker of a book.
I think it really came out well.
The final chapter may be the best thing I've ever written, which I'm sorry to say it makes it the best thing anybody has ever written in a while.
Today is my anniversary.
I've been married 44 years in a, at least from my point of view, happily ever after situation that I would never have dreamed could have been even possible.
It was not in the line of my, not in the line of my cynicism that this was possible.
And it has been an amazing, amazing 44 years of marriage and more than that 48 years together.
This is, like I said, a vacation coming up and a vacation comes and pause.
You sort of reflect.
It's like the end of a work cycle, I guess.
And listen, I've had an amazing life.
I've had a great life.
I did exactly what I wanted to do.
I did what I set out to do.
My bucket list is pretty much complete.
I never got to sleep with Grace Kelly.
But aside from that, I was like 12.
She probably didn't want the pedophilia thing, probably put her off.
But, you know, like, I've just lived, and I've had so much love in my life.
You know, I was telling you about that.
The Curtis Yarvin interview was, you know, getting, you know, people were attacking it.
And somebody said on Twitter, what a brutal, he's been brutally ratioed.
I was like, what a nitwit.
It's like, this is what he's living for.
I'm living for love.
I'm living for joy.
And I've had so much of it in my life.
And, you know, obviously within that, you know, I've been around now.
I'm 175 years old.
I've had, there have been ups and downs.
And there have been, you know, projects that failed and, you know, sweet dreams and flying machines and pieces on the ground.
All those things have happened to me.
And it's not that I've shrugged them off.
I've suffered with it and all this stuff.
But I have to tell you, I have had only one thing in my life that was a scarring disappointment.
And it was this.
When I was in my 20s, I guess, maybe older than that, probably in my 30s, I suddenly realized, it came to me for reasons that I won't go into because they're just too long to go into.
It came to me that people do not give a crap about the truth.
Speaking generally, people don't care about the truth.
And I don't think I've ever gotten over that.
I think that that, I grew up and I thought, well, the truth will out.
The truth will out.
And the truth does will out, but sometimes it takes time.
Sometimes you've got to crucify God before the truth wills out.
That's what Christianity is about.
It's about the fact that when, I mean, it's about a million things, but one of the things it's about is when the truth comes, when perfection comes, when the Creator comes, when God comes, you crucify him.
It doesn't matter who you are.
It doesn't matter.
You could be the religious guy.
You could be the man on the street.
You could be the political guy, the emperor's procurator, whatever.
If you see the truth, kill it.
It's like if it starts to move, kill it again.
Whatever you're going to do.
But the truth never dies.
That's the whole point of the resurrection.
The truth never dies.
But people do not care about the truth.
Like I said, they play out these patterns that are inside themselves.
These are patterns that are partly their nature.
It's patterns that are partly the things that happen to them that traumatize them.
A classic example is the girl who's been abused, beaten by her father is going to find a man who treats her badly because she thinks that's what manhood looks like.
And she's still looking for manhood, but she thinks a man is weak if he doesn't abuse her.
And then if he does abuse her, she gets addicted to him.
That's because you project your inner patterns onto the world, right?
And you want to turn the world into it.
And you can only see the world with it.
This is why I think bigotry is demonic, no matter who it's against.
If you ever pay attention, I know I've said this before, but it's important, whether you hate Jews, blacks, Catholics, Protestants, Irish, Italians, it doesn't matter.
Whites, it doesn't matter.
It all makes sense.
It makes perfect sense.
Now I know what's wrong with the world.
I got it.
Because that wouldn't be true if it were true, if bigotry were true.
It's true because it's a pattern inside you, a pattern of anger, a pattern of hatred, a pattern of prejudice, and you impose it on the world and it makes perfect sense.
And it makes you stupid.
Why?
Because you can't see the world anymore.
You can only see the pattern.
So if information comes in that is against that pattern, you don't see it, right?
You don't see it anymore because it doesn't fit.
That doesn't fit.
We want to say, it must have been, you know, it was the Jews caused communism in Russia and then they came to America and bombed Nagasaki because the Christians were there.
You know, you think like, you're a nitwit.
No, he's, yeah, that is a nitwit thing to say.
only nitwits believe it because people, but they can't take any information in because the hate is too great.
The hate is too, the pattern of hatred is too great.
And that's why I say it's demonic.
And that's what I love about Christianity.
You know what I love about Christianity?
Nobody agrees about it.
There's Catholics, there's Protestants, people are arguing all the time, same set of facts, but people are arguing just like real life, just like real life, because Christianity is not a philosophy, it's an event, it's news, it's good news, it's great news.
But people look at it different ways.
They use it just like the facts of life.
They can use it in wrong ways.
They can use it to hate on people when all it is is about love.
But people can disagree about it and still believe and still be faithful believers because it's the facts.
It's just about a certain amount of facts.
And I think that we go wrong when we turn into our inner patterns, when we lock ourselves in our inner patterns, instead of turning to God and the world to see what he says to us.
So what is he saying to us here and now?
You know, what is he going to say to us here and now?
And I think, look, it's like you have this great system.
You have this great system.
And you're living in a dream of hatred.
This whole stuff about Donald Trump, I mean, somebody put out a list.
I don't have his name in front of me.
He put out a list of all the hoaxes about Donald Trump.
I heard a story.
Let me tell you a quick story that I heard this week.
I'd never heard of War.
Hollywood story.
I brought in some clips about it, but I'm not going to play them.
It's just that they were filming the mob scene, Casino, the mob movie Casino, with Martin Scorsese directing and Robert De Niro.
And there was a guy on set who was a technical advisor.
I think his name was Frank Collada.
And they were shooting a hit.
A guy was, a mobster was being killed.
And Colada said, that's not how that happened.
I did that hit.
And he had, in fact, killed the man in the movie in real life and had gotten immunity for it because he's turned state's evidence.
And he proved it.
He proved that he had.
And Scorsese said to him, oh, well, then you do it.
You do that in the movie.
So in the movie, the guy who killed the guy is killing, pretending to kill the guy.
And I thought, that's America.
You know, it's like people pretending to be what they're not, who are what they are, and you can't tell the difference.
And it makes perfect sense to me that Robert De Niro showed up representing Joe Biden, who has been living through, is just spouting continually these myths.
Let me play, I just want to play a clip of something that Joe Biden said recently to a largely black audience in Philadelphia because he's trying to keep Pennsylvania.
This is cut 11, if you can find it.
He's ripping on Trump to a group of mostly black voters.
When he lost in 2020, something literally snapped in the sky.
No, I'm serious.
That's why January 6th happened, when he unleashed an insurrection.
Now, he's running again, and he's clearly unhinged.
He calls insurrectionists who storm the Capitol patriots.
Patriots.
If re-elected, he wants to pardon, quote, every one of them.
Let me ask you, what do you think he would have done on January 6th if black Americans had stormed it?
Think about this.
What do you think would happen if black Americans had stormed the Capitol?
I don't think he'd be talking about pardons.
It's the same guy who wanted to tear gas you as you peacefully protested George Floyd's murder.
The same guy who still calls the Central Park V guilty, even though they're exonerated.
All lies.
Central Park V guys were not exonerated.
Narrow Path to Justice00:10:55
They found that their DNA was not the DNA that they thought it was, but it was a mob.
Not everybody who was there beating that poor woman in Central Park senseless actually did the rape on her, but they were not exonerated, that their conviction was overturned.
Tear gas, peaceful protests, peaceful protests, everything is a lie.
Everything is an insurrection.
It's all a fantasy.
And that's what we're living in.
We're living in this cloud of fantasy.
And we stay in that cloud of fantasy as long as we live in the patterns inside us.
And we live in the patterns inside us as long as we feed our anger and we feed our bigotry and we feed all the things that bring us to that moment when we no longer care about the things that really matter.
And the things that really matter in America are the ideas that keep power limited, that keep people in power fighting with each other instead of oppressing us, right?
And this is why all of the things that they attack, all of the things that they attack, whether it's motherhood, I mean, that's the one that they hate the most.
Somebody asked me on all access to talk to his wife and encourage her because she liked it when I talked about motherhood.
They hate motherhood the most because it is the key to, it's the key to everything, motherhood.
It is the key to developing individuals who can maintain themselves so that they can be free.
It is the key to having a family that pulls away from the values of power that is basically what men are obsessed about.
It's the key to monotheism in a way.
Monogamy, I think, is linked to monotheism because it's about the one-on-one.
It's the key to everything.
The family is the key to everything, and that's why we lean on it so much.
And this is why, this is why, if what we do now is imitate the left, we have nothing.
We have nothing.
We just have people putting each other in prison and we become some South American, some Central American country.
But if, if we start to build in defiance the families, you know, Luke Roziak did a story this week in which the, here it was, the Department of Justice, this is Luke Roziak, our reporter of the Daily Wire, Department of Justice unit dedicated to preventing and responding to hate crimes, tracked the conservative education policy groups Moms for Liberty in the same manner tracked the Ku Klux Klan according to internal emails obtained by the Daily Wire.
Well, of course they did.
You know, Moms for Liberty is everything they want to stop.
We have to become Moms for Liberty.
We have to support Moms for Liberty.
We have to build homes with Moms for Liberty in them and we have to support those homes and they're going to try and stop us every way they can.
Look what they did to Harrison Butker.
They're going to try and stop us every way we can.
We have to volunteer to man the polls so that they can't cheat.
We have to stop just letting the media, whether it's right-wing media or left-wing media, we have to stop letting them fuel our anger because in our anger we become stupid, we become locked away from the facts.
This country has always been a tumult.
It's always been a problem because it's free.
It's always been a roiling problem.
And today is one of those days.
This is one of those days.
They have convicted a major candidate for president of nothing.
They have convicted him of nothing.
They are corrupt.
They acted in a corrupt way and they won.
And that breaks your heart.
It breaks my heart.
It infuriates me.
But, but, as Scarlett O'Hara reminds us, tomorrow is another day and we can start to build this back.
And I think Trump's going to win now.
I could be wrong.
You know, I could be wrong.
They may stop him.
They may cheat.
Who knows?
You know, bad things happen and good things happen.
But if things are going to go right, we have to rebuild the system that our founders give us.
We have to be friends of that founding.
We have to learn about that founding.
We have to stop letting people play us for fools.
Stop letting the right play us for fools.
Stop letting the left corrupt us.
We can't just be on the defensive.
We have to be on the offensive to build this thing we love back.
It can be done.
It can be done.
This is a bad day.
You know, bad days.
What do you do with them?
You start to build back toward good days.
It feels like.
It feels like you're just on your heels.
It feels like you've got to strike back.
It feels like you've got to arrest that they're arresting us.
You've got to arrest them.
We can build this back.
And it begins with supporting Trump, whether you're a Never Trumper or not.
I think he is our hero.
He is the guy who's going to lead us out.
I wish God had sent a better man.
He sent this man.
We got to support this guy all the way.
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All right, let's do some clavin clapbacks.
This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.
Yeah.
All right.
Dear Hot Gandalf, Trump is talking as I speak now, and apparently the donations are pouring in, which is great.
Dear Hot Gandalf, while I always love listening to your show, I found this week's interview to be very frustrating, though at no fault of your own.
Mr. Yarvin felt like he was doing his best Vladimir Putin impression by completely commentaring your show and talking over your questions.
It seemed like he wanted to monologue about his own points and not address anything you had to say.
He didn't seem to ever want to have any of his viewpoints challenged.
I'd love to know what you were thinking during the interview.
Sincerely, a man with too many E's in his name, Derek.
That is too many E's, Derek.
You got to get that fixed.
Yeah, so I could see, you know, I thought I was going to give it a try.
I knew the way that Curtis talks, but I was hoping maybe I could, you know, ask him the questions that trouble me about the things that he says, about how we expect to maintain freedom if you centralize it, you know, and all the things that are obviously, that obviously don't work about some of the things he was saying.
But I don't think that's the way he thinks.
And so I guess what I felt was this, that I brought him on knowing that I disagreed with him, but wanting to hear what he has to say.
He's affected many very intelligent people of goodwill, I think, on the right, and some intelligent people of not goodwill on the right.
He has had an effect on them.
And I wanted to find out what it was they saw in him.
And what I guess I felt was in the end, yeah, it was frustrating that he can't, he doesn't, he can't generalize.
Like a lot of people who don't know anything can generalize greatly because there are no facts to bother him.
He has so many facts in his head that he can't bring them together into a centralized idea, at least when he's talking.
Maybe he does it better.
I've read some of his stuff, but I find he does it in his writing too, that he couldn't do it.
But I felt at least you got to see him.
You know, here's a guy who's had an effect on a lot of people, and you got to see him, and maybe you hated him, and maybe you liked him.
I kind of liked him because I didn't think there was malice in him, and I didn't think he was dishonest.
I thought he was wrong, but I didn't think he was dishonest or malicious, and I think that that's really important because as I was saying during the main part of the show, if you're malicious, you can't hear any facts coming in.
What he is doing is hearing so many facts coming in that he can't really put them together into an idea.
But I enjoyed seeing him, and I thought you got to see him.
So now every time you hear his name, you can think, oh, I hate that guy, you know, or whatever.
But at least now you know.
And I'm curious.
I'm a curious person and I want to know things.
And now you know who he is.
And so I guess that was the contribution.
I hope to talk to people I don't agree with and hear what they have to say if they're important and they're not malicious and they're not hateful.
From Emily, I have heard you say that you believe there are many paths to heaven, God, but isn't that an inversion of the saying, the path to heaven is narrow and the road to hell is wide, something like that.
I think one either needs to be on the straight and narrow or they are following a path to hell.
Thanks.
Emily, what I mean by that is that that straight and narrow path, which I do believe, S-T-R-A-I-T, straight and narrow path, is different for each person because each person is coming through on the path that is himself.
I believe that each of us is a path to God.
That doesn't mean you can do anything.
That doesn't mean that you can go around hating people and destroying things and think that you're on the path to God.
That's absurd.
But it does mean that your path is going to look different than mine.
And that's in the epistles, that everybody has different gifts.
Everybody has a different way of approaching things.
I think that people can disagree about very core theology.
I don't think Christianity is actually about the theology.
I think it's about the transformation in your life.
And the theology is supposed to be a help to that.
But some people start to worship and make an idol out of the theology itself.
And I think that that's a problem, right?
When you start to think that you have some say over who's going to hell, I wouldn't even think too much about anybody else going to hell.
I would just worry about what you're doing and whether you're on that straight and narrow path.
But you know, C.S. Lewis had a great line.
One of my favorite lines in C.S. Lewis is, no one knows any story but his own.
Nobody knows any story but his own.
So nobody actually knows what trajectory another person is on.
He may be a bad person, maybe doing bad things, but God may be looking at him going, yeah, that's the direction.
He's doing bad things now, but he's going in the right direction.
You just don't know.
We don't have a vote.
As I keep saying this, I think it's so important to remember this.
You do not have a vote.
You can have a driver's license.
You can have your identity.
If you were not, to have a vote, you have to have been the son of God and crucified and resurrected.
Then you have a vote.
Other than that, all you know is your own story and your own path to God and try and stay on it.
And it's straight and narrow.
So both these things are true.
It's straight and narrow, but there are many paths to God.
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