Ben Shapiro and Andrew Clavin dissect the left’s post-Dobbs chaos, mocking AOC’s calls for abortion violence while framing legalized abortion as a moral betrayal akin to Dred Scott, stripping unborn children of personhood. They contrast modern leftist protests—like Satanic chants—to Lady Godiva’s modesty, warning dehumanizing logic risks escalating to eugenics. The episode pivots to 2000 Mules, where Dinesh D’Souza defends geotracking evidence of ballot mules in 2020, though critics argue stats show no fraud impact; Shapiro praises Pence’s election defense while dismissing Jan. 6 hearings as partisan theater. Closing with literary critiques, they reject modern feminism’s "strength" over virtue, praising Austen’s heroines for tenderness and faith—arguing spiritual fulfillment trumps materialism. [Automatically generated summary]
After last week's Supreme Court decision overturning Roe v. Wade, Democrats are calling for nationwide protests in which women twerk their asses and bare their breasts, making it impossible to tell the difference between Democrats and guys in strip clubs who are calling for the same thing.
Congresswoman and curvy ignoramus Alexandria Occasional Cortex told a group of like-minded hysterics, quote, we must immediately take to the streets in violent opposition to duly appointed justices making well-reasoned legal decisions that we disagree with on completely fatuous grounds.
If abortion laws have to be made by our elected representatives, women all across this country will be cruelly forced to convince their fellow citizens by using reason.
And if you think that's going to happen, you haven't been watching The View, or for that matter, my Instagram videos, unquote.
President and venal houseplant Joe Biden also weighed in on the court's decision, saying, quote, the question of Roe versus Wade really depends on whether you're in a boat or just splashing around the shallows with your pants rolled up.
If these rowing and waiting rights are denied to women, they'll be forced to swim out in the deeper waters and it'll be like jaws where naked women get dragged back and forth by a mechanical shark until they're just a hand with a bunch of seaweed stuck on a lunch tray.
Women must be allowed to have bathing suits, so at least before they're devoured by mechanical sharks, they can look like the hot girls in Sports Illustrated, although obviously it should be the old Sports Illustrated without the fat ones.
Come on, man, what's that about?
Unquote.
While conservatives argue that controversial moral issues should be debated by legislators and not decreed by unelected judges, leftists make arguments like this one.
That woman later changed her mind, however, after she was sprinkled with holy water.
Then the demons came out of her and entered a herd of swine who plunged into the sea, leaving Democrats with a minority in the House of Representatives.
Other leftists say they will begin preparing their reasonable arguments just as soon as they're finished vandalizing women's counseling centers and threatening the lives of Supreme Court justices.
One feminist lawmaker, for instance, Mimi Screamy, sometimes known as Screamy Mimi Screamy, or just Elizabeth Warren for short, said, quote, if women can't get abortions, they've been denied equal rights with men.
After all, men can go around killing unborn children all they want, and not one thing will happen to them except life imprisonment.
Plus, men can have sex without getting pregnant, unless they're transgender, and then men can get pregnant.
But now they can't get an abortion, so men are being denied equal rights with women who can't get an abortion either, and so have exactly the same rights as men.
In conclusion, men shouldn't make laws about women's bodies unless they have women's bodies and aren't men, but are men, and therefore shouldn't make laws about their own bodies, which are women's.
Unquote.
Already agitated by the prospect of having to use reasoned argument instead of emotionalism, riots, and threats of assassination, leftists were further disturbed by Supreme Court decisions allowing people to pray and carry guns.
On Knucklehead Row, the op-ed page of the New York Times, a former newspaper, the editorial board of Knuckleheads wrote, quote, We now face living in a country where people can freely worship God and defend themselves and elect representatives to make their laws.
This is not who we are.
We're dishonest, racist authoritarians who slaughter babies and shake our naked asses at children before butchering their sexual organs in service to an academic theory that makes no sense and has no scientific backing.
When you think about it, we really should be in prison.
Instead, we're living privileged lives in the freest country that has ever existed on earth and trying our best to get everyone to hate it.
What the hell are we doing?
God forgive us.
We're so very, very sorry.
Unquote.
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Land of the Law00:12:28
So even now, a new Supreme Court, this has been an amazing, amazing Supreme Court session.
A new decision came in this week basically limiting what the deep state can do, saying that the EPA cannot just go ahead and make any rule that it wants.
It was a little bit of a complex decision because the rules had already been abandoned, but it very much limited what these agencies can do without congressional approval, without basically legislation.
And it limited, according to the legal commentators, it's going to make it much harder for Joe Biden to just send out EOs, these executive orders, and panic about climate change and destroy businesses and destroy the coal and gas industries without basically getting legislation, which he's not going to get.
So very, very good decision.
But I got to go back.
I know everyone has talked about this and is talking about it, but it's just so important.
And I want to talk about the Dobbs decision overturning Roe v. Way just one more time to tell you what it means to me, who's not a lawyer, who's not really even a political person, who's an artistic person, who cares about the culture of this country.
Because I think when we say that politics is downstream from culture, as Andrew Breitbart liked to say, we don't mean that if you make a movie, then something's going to happen.
And what we mean is that all these things, the way people behave, the way they think, the way their media speaks to them, the way they speak to one another, the movies, the arts, all of those things create a soul of the country.
That's what James Joyce in the novelist said.
It's the uncreated conscience of the race.
And they create a soul.
And that's where a lot of things that happen come from.
And the thing about Dobbs is, look, it's not the end of abortion, and it's not going to be the end of abortion for a long time.
It'll be more difficult to get an abortion in some of the red states.
And some states will shut down abortion altogether, but you'll still be able to travel from state to state and get it.
And there'll be debates and laws will be changed and amended over time, maybe sometimes made more liberal, sometimes made tighter.
And my hope, as I've said a million times, is for a cultural federalism where each of the states will have their own culture, their own moral culture, a moral federalism, a cultural federalism, so that people move to states, not just for economic reasons, but also for moral and cultural reasons.
And that will create each state as an example.
And each state as an example will affect the other states.
And if states have a family place where you can't get abortions, but women in crisis pregnancies are well taken care of, maybe that will become a model for other states and that model will spread and eventually the whole country will become a pro-life country.
But that's the way it has to work.
It's not going to be by forcing it down people's throat like they tried to do to us because obviously that can be overturned.
What we want is for the culture to change so that people think that killing babies is a bad idea.
You know, and that, and listen, that has happened before.
When America was founded, there weren't any republics like this.
And now everybody is really, every free nation is modeled to some extent on America.
Even Britain has become more like America, though we learned from them.
Now they've learned from us.
And as I've mentioned, the slave state of the USSR, the Soviet Union, was called the USSR because it was the union of Soviet socialist republics because they had to pretend their slave states were republics because everybody knew that America worked best.
And our republic is under a lot of pressure.
But still, ideas, good ideas can spread just like bad ideas.
Now, listen, I think abortion is evil.
I do.
I think it's just an evil thing to kill a child, especially to kill a child, an unborn child, because it's going to make your career better or your life better or anything like that.
You had the sex, you had the baby, take care of the baby or give it to someone who will take care of it.
But you just don't solve your problems by killing people.
It's just not a good idea.
But I understand there's going to be evil in the world.
And this is the thing.
I'm not complacent about this.
I mean, I've shown you my heart.
You know that it matters to me about the evil in the world.
But evil institutions are going to be here.
Every single person on earth lives in a country that has some evil institutions and, of course, some evil actions.
And that's going to be true until Jesus comes and takes me bodily into heaven.
And I laugh at all the rest of you who are left behind.
But, you know, and we always talk about fighting the good fight and the fight is just beginning.
And now that Roe is overturned, we begin the fight.
And all that is true.
But the fact is, we are going to be walking through a world with evil in it until we die.
That is just the fact.
And as hard as we fight, as much as, you know, we always talk about, you know, we have to fight.
But the truth is, if you speak the truth and try to do right, the fight will come to you.
Don't worry about it.
Just speaking the truth will get you in a fight.
Just living well will get you in a fight because the wicked will seek you out.
They will seek you out to harm you.
And so that's what life looks like in this broken world.
And no matter what we do, that is going to continue.
So why does Dobbs matter at all?
You might say, well, if it's just going to continue, why does Dobbs matter at all?
And yes, of course it's because it means we can fight.
But it has to do with the culture for me.
This is why I was so rocked by this decision that I couldn't even allow myself to hope for.
Jeremy, the God King and I had had several discussions where we said, we can't even think that this actually, even after it was leaked, that this actual decision will come down.
And I didn't think it.
I wasn't going to allow myself because I just couldn't have borne the disappointment.
But this is why I was so rocked.
There is a difference between being in a country where evil things happen, which is every country, and being in a country where the highest court in the land, the highest authority on the law, says you have a right to do that evil thing.
When you say you have a right to do an evil thing, it means that you have dehumanized the people to whom you do that evil.
Okay, that's a very different thing.
You know, they always make the comparison between Roe v. Wade and Dred Scott.
And I think it's a totally valid comparison.
That's the decision about four years before the Civil War that an African American was not an American and could not become an American and have the citizen rights of an American.
So in other words, even if a slave escaped, he wasn't free because he wasn't an American.
It's basically dehumanized these people.
So before that, you had this grave evil of slavery, and that is one thing, and that's a bad thing, but we walk in a world with evil in it.
And on the after Dred Scott, you had a country that said, we have the right to hold slaves.
These people are not fully people, and therefore we have a right to hold slaves.
It was, until Roe, it was the worst decision.
There's a Supreme Court, 7-2, just like Roe.
And, you know, on this backstage live we did at Ryman, I was jokingly remembering this video I did of Satan as running Planned Parenthood.
And at the end of this, the God King Jeremy did his Oscar-worthy performance as a baby running away from Satan.
And Satan is saying, come back here, you lump of cells, you.
And the baby in Jeremy's great voice.
It really is a great performance.
Jeremy is going, you know, of course I'm a human being.
Look at me.
Of course I'm a human being.
Look at me.
Those words, those words are the foundation of the golden rule.
It's the ability you have to turn to your neighbor and saying, look at me.
I am you.
I am one of us.
We are all human beings.
We are all here in the image of God.
You cannot do to me what you're doing.
When you declare that you have a right, a right to hold a slave, a right to have an abortion, a right to tell a Jew to get out of town or strip him of his rights, whatever it is that you do, whenever you have a right to evil, you are declaring the people that you do that to unhuman.
They no longer have that right to say, I am a human being, look at me, the foundation of the golden rule.
And when you deprive somebody of humanity, when the highest court in the land or the highest body in the land, legal body in the land, deprives a group of people of their humanity, you're no longer living in a country that is doing evil.
You're living in a country that is evil.
And this is what weighed on me so heavily.
And my friends here at the Daily Wire, especially Ben and Jeremy and Knowles, they have heard me talk about this and they've seen, I think, how it was a burden to me that I did not think that this was a good country anymore.
You know, that this country was becoming a bad country because all the stuff that you see that follows out of that logic of being able to dehumanize someone by right, by right, take away their humanity by right, all of that was making us worse and worse.
And that culture, the logic of that culture flows, all of the stuff, the shout your abortion stuff, the, you know, have an abortion 10 minutes before a baby is born, you know, leave a baby who survives abortion to starve and all of that.
It led to this stuff, this transgender madness of butchering children on the basis of a theory that has no scientific backing whatsoever and no logic.
The political violence where if somebody disagrees with you, you're allowed to blow up his house or torment his family or shout at him when he goes out to dinner.
All of that stuff is the habit, the habit of dehumanization that grows out of a decision like Roe v. Wade.
And that is the difference between this country that saddens me.
It saddens me that to live in a world where evil exists.
You know, I'm a tragic, I have a tragic sense of life.
I always have had.
I have a sense of sorrow all the time about this, but that's different.
That is the world God has given us to live in and we have created through our fall and our sin.
That's different than saying we have a right to that evil.
Instead of we should be repenting for that evil.
A country with abortion is different than a country with a right to an abortion, just like a country with slavery, even though it has the evil in it, is different from a country with a right to slavery.
I love this country.
I love this country like people love their mothers.
This country is my mother.
This country shaped me in every way.
It gave me, you know, I'm a quirky, eccentric artist guy.
It gave me a right to be that guy, to find Christ without saying, oh, I'm, you know, based, I started in this Jewish culture.
I have to remain in this Jewish culture.
To be fully the person I am, this country gave all those things to me.
It is not something that I seized for myself.
It's something generations of people died for.
I want this country to have at least a chance to be good, to climb out of the degradation that a right to an abortion gave us.
And now we have that chance.
Now we have that chance.
And every day, we are less evil than we were.
Right now, we're a country again with evil in it, which is sad because the world is sad, but we are not an evil country anymore.
Really, in one week, in one moment, all of that changed.
I felt it in the moment.
I believe it as I sit here before you.
This country is a better country than it was last week.
It's no longer an evil country, essentially.
And it means we can begin to climb back to being a good and great country and recover some of our humanity and some of our common sense.
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Institutional Evil00:15:31
You know, I've talked about why I think Roe v. Wade made this country less than it was.
It was actually instituted an evil that touched all of us instead of just the people who were doing the evil, that made us all responsible for who we were and who we were in this country and was very saddening to me.
It was a burden.
I felt it.
I felt it because I felt this country is so important and so great and should be also good that it was, I could see it expanding.
And I want to talk a little bit about the mechanism, how that works.
I mean, obviously, when you do something evil or when you are in an evil situation, you're degraded by it and it makes it an effort to get back your humanity.
And it means you have to experience some shame and some guilt and some penitence.
And all of that stuff is difficult.
And it's actually easier to say, well, it wasn't really evil.
In fact, it was great.
In fact, it was great.
You sort of keep moving down that road until really you become satanic in some ways.
And when I talk about Satan, over the years, I have come to believe in what we will call Satan, a conscious force of evil that is against humanity in this spiritual realm.
But you don't have to believe in that.
You can just believe that man's psychology is such that he is self-destructive.
And the way that self-destruction works, almost always, is it tempts you by telling you it's going to make you stronger and freer.
And it always ultimately makes you weaker and enslaved.
So it tells you this drug is going to enlighten you.
You're going to take a hallucinogen and you're going to see the face of God.
Or this cocaine is going to mean you can really, really work harder and stay awake and you can get a hundred things on your mind as sharper and everything's going to be better.
Or it tells you, you know, you're not bound by traditional morals.
You're bigger than that.
You're, you know, you're not this kind of phony stuff where, you know, these traditions and morals.
You don't have to do that.
You're you.
You're you.
You're free of all that.
You know, you know, promiscuity makes you equal with men, ladies.
Promiscuity makes you equal with men.
This porn, you know, people tell you about porn, but porn is just part of life.
You got to have your porn, man.
You know, and or this being cruel to someone, you know, that makes you strong.
And the other people are cruel.
So you've got to be cruel.
It always is telling you that you're going to be stronger and freer.
I hear a lot of people on Twitter now, interestingly, say, not just on Twitter, in all kinds of social media, I hear people saying, I don't care what anyone thinks of me.
I believe in abortion rights, you know, or something like that.
And I think, really, you don't care what anyone thinks of you?
Because I don't care what powerful people think of me if they are people I don't respect.
I mean, I had this problem in Hollywood.
I have it still.
You know, I don't care what people think of me if I don't respect them because of the way they behave.
But I care a lot about what the people I love and respect think of me because that is feedback that I really want.
Watching some of these demonstrations that are taking place in the wake of Roe, I played that first one in the opening, that woman, if you're watching it on YouTube or on the site, you'll see her eyes are just like gone.
She has demonry.
And some of these protests look like demonry.
They look like people who have succumbed to that temptation and are now somehow gone.
There was one in D.C. the other day where they were actually shouting, Hail Satan.
take a look at this.
And you'll notice the girl is essentially bare-breasted.
She's got some kind of paint on her breast, and is twerking at the people.
And that's her.
Do you ever ask yourself why women do that?
I mean, it really is a really interesting thing.
I mean, even women I admire, like the women who stand up to Putin, frequently show up bare-breasted.
And there's a famous picture of Putin looking at these women with his thumbs up, like, you know, nice, nice breasts, ladies.
And he said later, you know, I enjoyed that protest very much.
And so it doesn't seem to me that that actually is powerful.
So why do these women, leftist women, think that shaking their backsides or bearing their breasts is actually a powerful protest?
It really makes you wonder.
I mean, if you look back, there's the legend of Lady Godiva, but that's very different.
The legend of Lady Godiva is that she was fighting for lower taxes and lower rents for the poor.
And she was begging her husband to lower his taxes.
He was a big lord or something, and he was charging people too much.
And he said, yeah, if it matters so much to you, ride naked through town, and then I'll lower the taxes.
And of course she did.
But the point of that story is he was saying, if it matters so much to you, you should sacrifice something of great value to you, namely your modesty.
If you sacrifice your modesty, then I'll believe that you really care about the poor and I will lower the taxes.
And she ordered all the doors and windows shut in the town before she did it.
And the one guy who looked, the famous Peeping Tom, that's where we get the name Peeping Tom, was struck dead by looking at her.
So she had this modesty.
Does that look like that woman looked like that was modesty to you?
I don't think so.
I think what they're demonstrating is that propensity of evil to make you think that your weakness is your strength.
And it's like it's as if Satan had whispered in their ears, you're not bound by modesty.
You're not bound by morals.
You're going to show people that their morals don't matter to you, that you don't care what they think of you.
And it's the power of their nakedness, which I think young women are taught is the only real power they have, that if they are having sex with a lot of men, or if they don't care about the fact that they're having sex, they're now as powerful as men because they don't have that dependency on getting that worry about getting pregnant.
But of course, it's just not true because women are made to attach more emotional connection to sex than men do for the very reason that it makes evolutionary sense, but it also makes spiritual sense.
And I was once researching a ghost story I wanted to write about a private school and not knowing anything about a private school.
I interviewed a guy who ran a private school and I said, what's the difference between this school now and a school that I might have gone to or my son might have gone to because he went to private school.
And he said, the difference now is that that thing where men are trying to get sex and women are deciding who gets it is gone.
Everybody is just having sex.
It's just something they do, like smoking a cigarette.
And you notice that women are depressed.
I mean, every single poll of women finds out that they are unhappy and they grow unhappier by the day.
And people, leftists, hide the unhappiness.
Psychologists who point out the unhappiness of women get fired from their jobs, especially at universities.
And so this just means that you're now in a position where you have to say, you know, I feel bad about myself and what I'm doing.
I'm going to stop.
I'm going to stop.
I'm going to give up this power.
You know, now I'm convinced that it's powerful, but I'm going to give it up because I'm so unhappy and stop and work my way back to a sense of my humanity.
And people do not want to do that.
And this works with logic, too.
I mean, you start out by saying that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
And listen to what Ana Navarro was saying.
I think this was on CNN.
This is an amazing thing.
This is her argument, her impassioned, theoretically, emotionally powerful, theoretically moral argument for why overturning Roe v. Wade is such a bad thing.
Even though, by the way, remember, Roe v. Wade, overturning Dobbs does not get rid of abortion.
It just means you got to make the case.
This is Ana Navarro making the case.
I have a brother who's 57 and has the mental and motor skills of a one-year-old.
And I know what that means financially, emotionally, physically for a family.
And I know not all families can do it.
And I have a step-granddaughter who was born with Down syndrome.
And you know what?
It is very difficult in Florida to get services.
It is not as easy as it sounds on paper.
And I've got another, another step-grandson who is very autistic, who has autism, and it is incredibly nice.
And their mothers and people who are in that society, who are in that community, will tell you that they considered suicide because that's how difficult it is to get help, because that's how lonely they feel, because they can't get other jobs, because they have financial issues, because the care that they're able to give their other children suffers.
And so why can I be Catholic and still think this is a wrong decision?
Because I'm American.
I'm Catholic inside the church.
I'm Catholic when it comes to me.
But there's a lot of Americans who are not Catholic and are not Christian and are not Baptist.
And you have no damn right to tell them what they should do with their bodies.
Nobody does.
So her argument is that she has a lot of relatives who are handicapped and it's really hard.
And she doesn't want that to happen to other people.
Well, the left is always accusing us of being Nazis.
I don't know why.
I mean, I'm so in favor of freedom and the Constitution.
I don't know where the argument that I'm a Nazi comes from, but they call you a Nazi.
So I know they won't mind if I read from the Holocaust Encyclopedia that says the euthanasia program was the systematic murder of institutionalized patients with disabilities in Germany.
It predated the genocide of European Jewry, the Holocaust, by approximately two years following the logic, right?
That was that stage on the logic.
The program was one, you know, you start out, we get rid of the people who are handicapped, then you move on to the people you don't like because you've dehumanized them.
The program was one of many radical eugenic measures which aimed to restore the racial integrity of the German nation.
It aimed to eliminate what eugenicists and their supporters considered.
I always love this phrase.
If you love corruption and evil because it makes you laugh in depression, you'll love this phrase.
They wanted to get rid of it because it was life unworthy of life.
Who but a guy wearing a swastik and can judge better of whether life is unworthy of life?
Those individuals who they believe because of severe psychiatric, neurological, or physical disabilities, the things that Ana Navarro was talking about with her relatives, represented both a genetic and a financial burden on German society and the state.
Now, I'm not calling Ana Navarro a Nazi.
I'm simply pointing out that idea leads to idea.
And once you are faced with the choice of looking in the mirror and saying, oh my God, what have I become?
You don't, it's not that easy to do.
Nobody wants to do that.
So they just go on to the next idea, the next step on the idea.
If it's not evil, then it must be good.
And they go on.
You know, we play so much crazy stuff from TikTok.
We love here playing, you know, from libs of TikTok and stuff where we get these crazy, crazy people saying crazy things.
Here is a sane lady on TikTok.
Her name is Michelle Rhodes.
And here's what she said to Democrats about Roe v. Wade when she could have supported abortion.
Here's why she thinks it was overturned.
You know who the left should blame for the overturning of Roe versus Wade?
Not the Supreme Court, not Christians, not conservatives, not Republicans, not pro-lifers.
The only ones they should be blaming are themselves.
It is 100% their fault.
Roe got overturned.
A lot of people, myself included, at one point in time, could sympathize with the scared teenager, with the drug addict who had no business bringing a baby into this world.
We could understand that we didn't like it.
We didn't agree with it, but we could at least understand it.
We went from safe, legal, and rare to up to the moment of birth.
We gave you an inch and you took a mile.
We drew the line when you decided that you should be able to murder a fully formed infant up to the moment it exits your body.
You have no one to blame but yourselves.
You know, and that's she's tracing the logic, how the logic plays out.
Not the logic of abortion necessarily, not the logic of abortion necessarily, the logic of a right to abortion.
This is what I'm saying.
The logic of a right to an abortion strips that baby who already has no voice, strips them of even other people's right to speak up for them because they're no longer human.
If you have a right to kill someone, that person can't be fully human, right?
So when I stand up and I say, you know, you shouldn't have an abortion, it's like, I don't have that right to say that anymore because you have a right.
It's your right to do it.
And that's the way you finally get to what I know we're going to get to as we go forward.
And I think it's going to work in our favor because people will hear it and people do have a heart and there is a God and that God lives in us and people will hear these arguments.
But this is from the nation, right?
This is a big left-wing magazine, left-wing journal by a woman named Sophie Lewis, who's a feminist.
She wrote a book with the subtitle Feminism Against Family, Feminism Against the Family.
And here's her article headlined, Abortion Involves Killing, and That's Okay.
To be pro-choice is to be against forced life.
And it begins with a description of pregnancy as a hyperinvasive placenta puts the gestator at risk of lethal hemorrhage.
Locked down, our body becomes a daredevil participant in a wrestling match.
This is forced labor, she said.
I'm thinking as I'm reading this of Candace Owens, who was on, who we got to see in nine months pregnant.
She was so beautiful.
I mean, she walked on.
I could see all the men go, whoa, she's so beautiful.
Nine months pregnant.
And it's a beautiful thing to see.
And I always feel seeing pregnant women on the street is a very beautiful thing.
But this is forced labor for her.
And she says, we humans do kill when necessary.
Victims of assault sometimes kill in self-defense.
What's wrong with you?
This is the argument.
Targets of persecution sometimes kill for justice or just to reduce the number of their persecutors.
And the colonized sometimes kill for liberation.
Mothers living in unspeakable conditions have been documented to kill their children as an act of mercy.
So why not kill somebody if you want a Hollywood career?
I guess is the end of that.
Of course, it ends with that.
So that's the way, you know, it sounds extreme.
It sounds like, oh, well, she's just an extremist.
But we know how this works.
The extreme becomes mainstream overnight.
We've seen it again and again, and it's getting faster and faster because that's the way it works too.
That's the way, you know, when you're going downhill, it starts slow, but it ends up going at high speeds.
So now we're saying, oh, you can end racism by being racist.
You can end sexism by butchering your boy so he becomes a girl.
So now you get killing the infirm is okay.
And if you don't think so, you're Hitler.
If you don't want to be Hitler, you're Hitler.
And by the way, let me show you your breasts.
What could possibly be degrading about that?
That's how it works.
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I have to, I know I don't like doing it, but I have to talk about the January 6th hearings in the House because they reached a point of high comedy that just appeals to my kind of modern sense of humor.
You know, they have found now a lot of evidence of people demanding that the election, demanding on January 6th that the election not be certified.
Here's a clip of that as cut 16.
I have an objection because 10 of the 29 electoral votes cast by Florida were cast by electors not lawfully certified.
I object to the votes from the state of Wisconsin, which should not be legally.
Mr. President, I object to the certificate from the state of Georgia on the grounds that the electoral votes were.
No debate.
There's no debate.
I object to a certificate from the state of North Carolina.
I object to the 15 votes from the state of North Carolina.
I object.
I object to the certificate from the state of Alabama.
The electors were not lawfully certified.
I'm sorry, that was January 6th, 2017.
Those are the Democrats trying to overturn the election of Donald Trump.
But the point about the Trump Republicans, of course, is that they called for demonstrations and attempted to undermine our institutions.
So here's a clip of that happening.
This is Cut Two.
There is a war out there, and we need to recognize that we've got to armor up.
I got the pitchforks.
You get the gas and the torches.
To hell with the Supreme Court.
We will defy them.
We have to build the streets.
Right now, elections are not enough.
Get angry!
This far-right, racist, sexist Supreme Court that made this decision based upon politics.
This court has lost legitimacy.
They have burned whatever legitimacy they may still have had.
This is a crisis of legitimacy.
This decision is delegitimizing the Supreme Court.
Who is Clarence Thomas?
I'm sorry.
I can't get the guys in the booth to work this stuff right.
That was the Democrats after the Dobbs decision.
And, you know, by the way, this delegitimizing the court is not legitimate.
Is it going to become legitimate again when they get what they want and they want that to be enforced?
If they're going to defy the court and call this, you know, Justice Breyer, who just retired, you know, he wrote a book in which he said, you know, once you start questioning the legitimacy of the court, you're not going to get the rule of law obeyed.
The rule of law is not an a la carte menu.
You got to order the whole meal.
And so what they're doing is very dangerous and very wrong.
Let's go to the actual January 6th, because this was unbelievably funny for me.
I thought they had the star witnesses, Cassidy Hutchison, who was a top aide, they say, to White House Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows.
And she worked for Steve Scalise and for Ted Cruz.
So she's a conservative.
And she came on and she was going to deliver, this was going to be the earth-shattering testimony.
And she had this one thing where she said this about Donald Trump.
He wanted to go to the demonstration, but his Secret Service driver wouldn't take him there.
It's cut nine.
The president said something to the effect of, I'm the effing president.
Take me up to the Capitol now.
To which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing.
The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel.
Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.
We're going back to the West Wing.
We're not going to the Capitol.
Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel.
And when Mr. Renado had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.
This was like they're doing all this heavy lifting.
The media is doing all this heavy lifting.
I said, this is the story of the century.
Our grandchildren's children, our grandchildren's grandchildren will remember the day where they were.
Even though they weren't born, they'll remember where they were when this woman testified.
My pal Mike Duran of the Hudson Institute tweeted.
First of all, she was saying she heard this.
She didn't see this.
She was told that this happened.
My friend Mike Duran tweeted, I heard that too.
I also heard that just before this fight, Trump ripped off his shirt, revealing his new chest tattoo, live free or die.
His nipples formed the dots on the eyes.
Then he downed a jar of cheese whiz, insisting it was tiger blood and saying it made him invincible.
So within minutes, the hilarious part of this is they're telling us, oh, Trump was strangling the Secret Service agent.
Within minutes, the networks, the networks were saying that the Secret Service had called them, the people involved had called them, sources, they said, but it was obviously the sources who were involved and saying, nah, I'm sorry, that didn't happen.
Other parts of her testimony were torn to pieces.
But, you know, so what they did was they just immediately went from that to some other testimony she had.
Just a complete self-own, just be clowning of this committee, which, by the way, this is really bothering me.
It bothers me that on the right, even at Brett Baer, who I love on Fox News, are giving some kind of credence to this.
This is a trial.
Megan Kelly, I was on the Megan Kelly show the other day and she brilliantly made this point.
This is a trial without a defense.
It is illegitimate per se.
It is illegitimate in and of itself.
There is no but after that sentence.
In the Wall Street Journal and Fox News, they're saying, well, yeah, it's a show trial, but, no, I'm sorry, after it's a show trial, there's a period in the English language.
There is no but after it's a show trial.
It is a show trial.
And so, you know, so what are they saying that actually plays out?
Well, you know, we know that Trump, I think, acted irresponsibly.
He didn't come out quickly enough and to stop the violence.
But here's the thing that got me about this.
The lady went on to say this about Trump and Mike Pence, who was certifying, as Biden was, by the way, in that first video I played.
Biden was certifying the election and refusing to take the objections of his fellow Democrats.
And Mike Pence refused to not certify the election, even though Trump was pressuring him.
And this is what she said about that.
It is cut eight.
I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more.
They're literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung.
And Mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, Pat.
He thinks Mike deserves it.
He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong.
To which Pat said something, this is effing crazy.
So here's the thing.
Now, we know this is true.
We know that Trump, you know, they were shouting hang Mike Pence.
We know that Trump was sending out a tweet saying that Pence didn't have the courage to do what he should have done.
But so let's take their logic for a second.
Let's take the Democrats' logic for a second, because this is why I think this thing, this January 6th thing, is going to blow up in their face.
Let's say everything they say is true.
Let's say Donald Trump was strangling Secret Service agents and he was forcing this thing.
And let's say Trump was like carrying guns, arming the people and basically trying to storm the Capitol.
What stopped them from succeeding?
Mike Pence.
What stopped them from succeeding?
Bill Barr.
What stopped them?
You know, the chief of staff, Pence's chief of staff, Mark Short.
All of these people wouldn't do it because they were devout Christians who believed in the language of the Constitution.
All of them.
I mean, Pence is everything they hate.
Until yesterday, until like 10 minutes ago, Mike Pence was everything these people hated.
And if their scenario is correct, if the worst of their scenario is correct, this country was saved by Mike Pence.
And I believe Mike Pence did the right thing.
There's no power in the Constitution for the vice president to just overturn the election like that.
That's ridiculous.
So I believe Mike Pence acted with integrity.
He probably, I don't know if he ever had any chance of becoming president, but he doesn't now probably because of acting with integrity.
But he did it because he's a devout Christian.
All the things that the left laughed at him about, that he doesn't cheat on his wife, that he is careful not to go out with women in a place where he might be tempted or even look like he might cheat or anything like that.
All of the stuff that he did, his loyalty to the president, which is how he conceived, people would call him a toady on it.
He just conceived of the vice presidency as a position where you have to be loyal to the president.
Most people do see it that way.
We're not living in the old days when they were elected separately.
They're elected in a ticket.
Everything they hated about him saved the country under their scenario.
What did they do to save the country?
What did they do?
They inspired riots.
They inspired riots after the killing of a, you know, the bad killing, the reckless killing of a drug-addicted, violent guy, George Floyd.
You know, what did they ever do to save the country?
The country was saved by Christian.
All the people I mentioned, Bill Barr, devout Christian, all the people who said they wouldn't do Trump's bidding, quoted the Bible.
They said, we won't do it because in the Bible, it says, keep faith.
Your oaths are to God.
I swore to God.
One of them said, I took an oath.
I took an oath to the Constitution.
I took an oath before God.
All of the things that they don't believe in save the country under their script, under their script.
And that's why I think this thing is just absolutely going to go bluey in their faces if it hasn't already.
This week, at least, at least they supplied the comedy.
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You know, a few years ago, I was asked to record an audiobook of Dinesh D'Souza's Stealing America.
And I said, yes.
My wife said, why would you do that?
You don't have to record other people's books.
And I said, yeah, but it's Dinesh D'Souza.
And he was being persecuted for his good work during the Obama administration.
I wanted to show that I was not going to separate myself from him.
He is, of course, a best-selling author and award-winning filmmaker, host of the Dinesh D'Souza podcast.
And his most recent film is the highly entertaining 2000 Mules, very successful.
And he is, I saw it and I told you at the time that I really enjoyed it, but I was not convinced that the election was stolen.
I knew if I asked Dinesh to come on and answer my objections and other people's objections, he would show up because he is a Minch and he is here today.
I'm thrilled.
Dinesh, it's good to see you.
Thank you.
Good to see you.
And thanks for having me on.
Looking forward to this.
It is always a pleasure.
Yeah, all I'm going to do is I'm just going to, first I want you to tell us about the film for people who haven't seen it.
And then I'm going to tell you some of the objections and my objections.
And look, I'm here all the time.
You're my guest.
I want to hear what you have to say.
So I'm just going to let you answer, put the objections in front of you and let you answer them.
And so people can hear them.
And I appreciate, you know, I knew you would show up.
I ask people I disagree with to show up all the time.
They never do, but I knew you would.
So tell people the basic plot of the film.
Yeah, so the film is, you know, it's not the normal recycled stuff about election fraud.
A lot of people have become sort of hardened to that because they've heard about the anomalies and they've heard about episodic cases of fraud and they have questions about why the counting was stopped.
And very interestingly, this film, 2000 Meals, is about none of that.
It's about an effort, in a sense, later, which is to say with a year or more than a year to go back and see if this cold case, the cold case being what really happened in the 2020 election, can begin to be solved.
Now, I won't claim that I know everything about the 2020 election.
I'm not even claiming to have solved the case, but I am claiming to put forward important new evidence that opens the door to solving the case.
There are people who watch the film and they're blown away and they go, you know, can't the Supreme Court take this up and like get Biden out of there?
And I'm like, no, that's not how it works.
Supreme Court doesn't watch a movie and then go, Biden, you need to pack up and move out of the Oval Office.
You know, this has to move in stages and it has to move through courts.
Legislatures have got to be involved.
And some of this is about a reckoning about 2020.
Some of it is simply about telling the truth.
And what I mean by that is it may be that the legal window is closed, right?
It may be kind of like a statute of limitations.
A guy commits a crime, statute of limitations is passed.
But you know, if there's new DNA evidence later, you still want to know if he did it.
So there is a truth-telling aspect to all this.
And finally, we obviously want to secure our elections for the future.
So if the film is able to point to real problem areas where even if we're not entirely sure what went on, we can see that something is wrong here.
And we realize that this does need to be fixed.
And so that was really the motive that brought this movie forward.
I'm relying on the work done by a group called True the Vote, and it's kind of an election intelligence organization, so-called.
And the film, as you know, Andrew, presents two types of evidence.
They're independent of each other, but they happen to work together.
One is cell phone geotracking, and the other is surveillance video.
Neither is complete by itself, but I think taken together, they offer a pretty interesting picture.
And so you basically tracked people who were repeatedly going by places where they could put votes in, where they could put in ballots, and then caught them on camera doing that.
And there's no question at all in my mind that you caught Democrats being Democrats.
They're an urban party.
They have machines and they've been cheating on elections since Adam was a pup, basically.
I mean, they've been doing this forever.
So let me put forward some of the objections that have been.
I mean, as far as I'm concerned, by the way, I have to tell you, your best friends are the people who've been attacking you because most of their arguments I thought were absolutely terrible.
And I think it's hilarious the way even the Wall Street Journal, a paper I basically like, always says, always calls Trump's claims that the election was stolen unfounded.
They would say his unfounded claims as if they're afraid somebody might question whether they were.
And you get a lot of this too.
Obviously, what I think is the weakest objection came from a guy I respect, Bill Barr.
And a lot of people have said this, where he said, if you take 2 million cell phones and figure out where they are physically in a big city like Atlanta or wherever, just by definition, you'll find many hundreds of them have passed by and spent time in the vicinity of these ballot boxes.
What is your answer to that, that this geo-tracking of cell phones is just not accurate enough to tell whether somebody has repeatedly gone by these boxes?
Well, you can start by applying Bill Barr's logic to January 6th.
Washington, D.C. is a big city.
The Capitol is a fixed location, and we're talking also about fixed locations within the Capitol, the front door, and so on.
And there are tons of people milling around the city, right?
Uber drivers, people jogging, running, walking, going by the Capitol to and so if the technology was such that it could not isolate individuals and say these guys were not going by the Capitol, they were at the Capitol.
And this guy was 20 feet outside the front door, and this guy was approximately 30 feet inside the front door.
I mean, we see all this in the charging documents.
So the FBI is in fact making those claims.
So here you have Bill Barr.
He's head of the DOJ.
The DOJ does this geo-tracking all the time.
Quite honestly, if you apply his logic, that this is a kind of a voodoo that cannot tell the difference between going by a location and going to a location, it just misunderstands what geo-tracking is.
Geo-tracking is not a snapshot of your phone at a particular location.
It is a traveling dot that can be worked backward as well as forward.
So if somebody were to geo-track me, they would begin by saying, I woke up in my house in this room, and then I went to a coffee shop, and then I went to the studio to record my podcast, and then I went and had lunch, and then I came home.
So in other words, you can see the to and fro movement of these mules.
They aren't just go and buy a Dropbox.
They're typically stopping by a left-wing nonprofit organization.
Presumably, that's where they get the ballots.
Now, the geotracking can't show you them getting the ballots, but it can show you them stopping there.
Then they drive their car to a Dropbox, then they walk to the Dropbox, back to their car, and typically on to the next Dropbox.
So geo-tracking does have that degree of precision.
It's not precise to within four inches, but it's precise to within a few feet.
And let's remember that these Dropboxes are not mailboxes.
These boxes are only for ballots.
They have no other purpose.
And so that's the point, is that if you have someone going to 10 or more drop boxes, it's really difficult to think of an innocent reason to do that.
Now, Barr went on to say that I agree with you about this, by the way.
I thought that that was a weak objection.
But Barr went on to say that he felt that the photographic evidence that he watched the film and he didn't think the photographic evidence established widespread harvesting.
And even if it was harvest, if there was ballot harvesting, that can be legal.
People can be voting for their.
Now, you don't have a lot of people.
You have a couple of.
You have a couple of pictures in there that are stunning of people in gloves taking pictures of the fact that they're dropping off both.
I mean, you clearly caught, as I say, you clearly caught Democrats being Democrats.
Do you feel that you could have given more evidence?
And again, by the way, I also agree with you that it's not your job to try the case.
Your job is to open questions.
But was there a weakness, you think, of video evidence?
Yes, but I think the weakness is not, the weakness is not the weakness of the film.
It's the weakness of the states that refuse to follow the election rules and install video.
So let me talk a little bit about the availability of video, right?
So we looked at five states.
Drew the Vote looked at five different states.
And in the whole state of Wisconsin, there is no video at all.
They said they would do it.
The rules called for them to do it.
They didn't do it.
In Philadelphia, there might have been some video, but True the Vote has been unsuccessful so far in obtaining any.
Typically resistance to the public information requests and so on.
In Michigan, very little video.
In Arizona, in Maricopa County, a lot of the cameras were turned off.
So very little video from Arizona.
And then the one place where there is a decent amount of video, Fulton County, and True the Vote, it sounds like they have a tremendous amount of video because they say we have 4 million minutes of video.
But 4 million minutes of video is not a lot of active video because a lot of that video is just blank.
You're looking at, let's say, a whole night.
Nothing's really happening.
A mule shows up for, you know, 30 seconds.
And so most of the video is like a big nothing.
Now, here's the point.
In Fulton County, where we have the most video, out of 10 drop boxes, the number of drop boxes that has surveillance video is approximately one, one in 10.
And so the scenario is this.
It's like a serial killer, and he goes to 10 homes and he kills people.
And let's just say he leaves his DNA.
It could be his human DNA.
It could be his cell phone's digital DNA.
But only one of the 10 homes has a camera.
Now, you happen to know from his cell phone that he got to that home, let's just say Tuesday night at 1 a.m. in the morning.
You go to the time stamp on the video, the one place you have the video.
Sure enough, on that exact time, he comes right through the door.
So the video evidence where available completely confirms the cell phone geo tracking.
But it doesn't make sense to me.
It's not reasonable to say, I demand to see this guy at the other locations.
Now, if there was surveillance cameras and you didn't see him, that would be a severe limitation of the movie because he's supposed to be there.
His cell phone says he's going to be there.
Where's the video?
But if there's no camera there, not through my fault, but through their fault, then I say it's unreasonable to demand it.
If we had it, we'd show it.
But it is sufficient to say that we know he was at that location because his phone was there.
Now, admittedly, he could say, I gave my phone to my wife and she was there.
But that that phone was at that location is really not open to reasonable doubt.
You know, one of the stronger objections, I thought, was that you don't, part of the logic of the film is these people didn't just go to ballot boxes, but they also went to these nonprofit Democrat organizations where you say you assume they got the ballots, but you never name the organizations.
Why did you leave that out?
That's a very reasonable question.
And the answer actually has to do with the nature of films, which you will understand because I'm about to explain it now.
The demands on a film are very rigorous, much more so than typically on a book.
You can write a book and say, I was walking down the street, I saw these 10 guys, they were doing that.
In the movie, in a documentary, if I take my video camera and go out on the street and film people, I need the written signed permission of every one of them to be in the movie.
Otherwise, I cannot put that movie in the theater.
This is a minimal requirement.
So, in other words, with a film, you need four different types of insurance.
And so, the lawyers come to us and say, We won't give you the insurance if you don't blur the faces of the mules, which I was vehemently opposed to.
In fact, we were even forced to blur the face of a dog because the dog might lead to the identification of its owner.
And number two, you cannot name these organizations, which I was apoplectic about.
Now, I can fight these guys, and it would have taken me six weeks to do this.
But I was like, Look, I'm going to release the film, I'm going to let it go.
I have the names of the organizations.
My book, which comes out in August, is going to name a bunch of them.
True, the vote has all their names.
They've provided their names to the state of Georgia in a formal report that's been filed.
They're willing to provide the names of all these organizations to law enforcement.
So, it's not as if the names are being withheld.
It's just that I had a choice, kind of a prudential choice: put them in the movie and then get it blocked and have to deal with the legal things, or just get the movie out, recognizing that I'm not going to be able to reveal this information in the movie, but I will be revealing it shortly.
All right, well, that's important that you're going to reveal it shortly.
Here's where you lost me, okay?
You lost me in the part where you extrapolate from what you have to saying there are enough, this accounts for enough votes to say that the election was stolen.
And here's the reason this loses me.
I have a friend, Henry Olson, who is, I think, the best numbers guy in the country when it comes to politics.
Complete integrity because he loves numbers so much that he would never let his personal opinion get in the way of the numbers, and a conservative, so he's not anti-Trump, he's not a never-Trumper or anything like that.
He has pointed out that the election numbers as they came back were typical.
They were typical, even though there was more people voting because it was a very big election.
For instance, people, candidates usually get some presidents usually get the percentage that correlates with their polling average.
And that happened to Trump.
He had a low polling average.
He always did, 46%.
He got 46.9% of the votes.
Things that happened in swing states also happened in non-swing states.
So, if the Democrats were fiddling around with swing states, the swing states would have been different than the other states, and they weren't.
Counties with large numbers of educated, well-to-do white people swung against Trump and blue-collar whites and Latinos either state level or they went toward him.
So, that was typical.
And the same states that Trump lost in 2020 also shifted against the GOP in 2018.
So, nobody says that Kirsten Cinema stole her election in Arizona, and Arizona shifted against Trump.
And his point, and ultimately, he looked at Pennsylvania, which is one of the places you cover, Philadelphia.
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And Pennsylvania changed its rules illegally, in my opinion, and they opened it up to mail-in votes, which they didn't have before.
They didn't have lenient mail-in votes.
And yet, there was no big difference between the percentage of mail-in votes in that election and in the election before.
You would think that all of this stuff, I mean, the Democrats are crooked, but they're not masterminds.
They can't have manipulated the numbers so perfectly that they came out to make perfect sense.
And this is the reason I felt that extrapolating from the evidence of corruption that you have, which is evidence of corruption, to say that the election was stolen just didn't fit with the actual numbers.
Well, here's the problem.
I mean, I've been listening very carefully to what you just said, and I think there's I heard nothing that is even remotely inconsistent with the movie, and let me say why.
If we take the evidence of our 2,000 mules, right, we say typically that they went to approximately 40 drop boxes apiece and they dropped in approximately five illegal votes.
We're talking about 380,000 illegal votes just using that kind of simple off-the-top of our head math.
So let's call it 400,000 or even 500,000 illegal votes.
Now, we're talking about an election in which Biden got 80 million and Trump got 75 million.
So we're 150 million total votes.
So we're not talking about a giant spike in votes.
We're talking actually about less than half a percent difference in the overall vote.
So it's quite possible that all these patterns held just the way you said.
Now, look, if Biden had won these swing states by half a million votes over here, 300,000 votes over there, then this movie would not be able to show.
It would not be able to meet what the court calls the but for test.
But for this fraud, would the election have come out differently?
But it so happens that a number of these states were extremely close.
So Georgia was decided by 12,000 votes, Arizona 11,000, and Wisconsin, 20,000.
So you don't need a lot of mules to change that outcome.
So I agree.
The Democrats were not able to spike the totals in some radical way.
They just used their advantage in these cities like Philadelphia to spike the votes a little bit.
But as it turned out, that was enough.
So when I do the math in the movie, as you know, when I do the sort of conservative math, out of the five states, three tip into the Trump column, but two remain in the Biden column.
So I think that this is because this was such a close election in the battleground states, the fraud was sufficient to make the difference.
It would not have made the difference, say, in California.
It would not have made the difference in New York.
If the states had larger margins, there's no way that 2,000 mules could tip the outcome of the election.
So I'm arguing that it so happened that the Democrats cheated a little bit, but they cheated in the right places.
And that's why it could have made the difference.
Okay, I mean, I just want to put one more thing in front of you because, you know, I really appreciate your explanations.
And I want to just put one more thing is that the places where he lost votes were not in Democrat enclaves like cities.
They were in suburbs where the white, you know, upper class people lived.
And those were not the places.
Like you covered Philly and you covered Atlanta and they weren't really there that he lost votes.
He lost votes in places where, as Henry Olson points out, the Republicans had also lost votes two years before.
No, no, Andrew, but you're totally missing the point.
The point is, I mean, I agree that Trump is a controversial Republican in the sense that, you know, he loses some, what's that famous saying where you lose some on the turn and you pick some on the straightaway?
You know, so he loses the suburbanites on the turn and he picks up some minorities and some working class on the straightaway.
Now, if the movie had tried to somehow jump into that and disentangle that, it would be a morass.
So we're not trying to do that.
I agree that he won some and he lost some.
And the only question then becomes, what was the proportion of the gains and the losses, right?
So I don't try to figure that out.
I simply say, let's do something a little different and more precise.
Namely, let's not start with these, because what you're describing is a kind of anomaly.
And a lot of conservatives, a lot of people alleging fraud, were basing their view on the assumption Trump must have gained more working class votes and gained more minority votes than he lost suburban votes.
I don't even get into that math.
I go, I'm agnostic on that.
I leave it to the side.
I'm only going to, I'm going to start with the mules.
I'm going to start with guys whose phones I'm showing you at these locations.
I know how often they went to these places and I know approximately how many votes they put in every single time.
And I'm going to do the math that way.
Then I'm going to make an assumption, which I think is reasonable, and that is that these are illegal votes for Biden.
Now, we don't know that with Euclidean certainty because we can't go back and look at the ballot, right?
But these are Democratic areas.
These are left-wing nonprofits.
These are mules hired, some of them at least out of Antifa and BLM, right?
And they're cheating to get Biden over the finish line.
And who wins the election?
Biden.
So you put all these factors together.
It's reasonable that that's who the votes are for.
Now, again, a court is going to demand more than I just said.
But I'm trying to convince a reasonable guy looking at the evidence and I'm trying to put it to law enforcement to say, look, I want you now to go talk to the mules.
Who paid you?
Who put you up to this?
Where did those organizations get those ballots from?
Who funded the whole operation?
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I mean, these are just logical next steps.
And so I would be content if someone said, as a skeptic, you know, I'm not convinced by this movie, but I am very interested in talking to these mules.
And I think someone should do that.
They could disprove the movie.
It could be all these mules turn out to be completely innocent characters.
Or it could be that they will then, they're part of a cartel and they start ratting out their superiors and their superiors start ratting out their superiors.
And then we're on to something completely different.
So the movie is only the first step in that process.
I think that's a totally fair ask.
And I do believe that this thing where they say unfounded claims just as if that was one word, it denotes fear.
You know, it makes it makes them look nervous.
Dinesh, it's always great talking to you.
You always are an eloquent defender of your position.
The film is incredibly entertaining.
And you definitely catch Democrats being Democrats, which is amusing in and of itself.
2000 Mules.
When does the book come out?
The book comes out at the end of August.
And the website for the movie is just 2000mules.com.
I only mentioned it because it's, you know, I had to be careful what platforms I could put it on.
So this is a movie that's only on uncancelable platforms.
Excellent.
Excellent.
Great to see you, Dinesh.
Thanks so much for coming on.
Always a pleasure.
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If you have seen Terror on the Prairie, and if you haven't, you should.
You may have noticed that there was a madman running through the prairie, cutting people's tops of people's heads off, scalping people, terrorizing Gina Carano.
And that, of course, was the great Nick Searcy, a terrific actor you've probably seen in Castaway and the Oscar-winning Shape of Water.
And of course, in Justified, one of my favorite TV shows ever.
And now in Terror on the Prairie.
Nick, it's great to see you.
Great to be here, Andrew.
Honor to be in that movie.
Yeah, it was really, I have to say, I love the minimalist thing and the no music.
It was really intense.
And how do you learn how to scalp someone?
Is there a specialist?
I'll say what they say.
Put this there, put that there, and then lift up on it.
And it'll all work.
They don't have like a technical director come in.
No, all right.
Right.
Make sure you aren't laughing when you do it.
You know, serious moment.
So I'm always really interested in acting technique and the way people create these characters.
And you took this character who does nothing through the entire movie but terrorize a woman and her children.
And normally when I see a character like that, I'm just waiting for him to get the bullet in the head, you know.
But you actually made this guy a complete human being.
You look reading the script, you think, oh, I play a guy who's terrorizing a woman and children.
Where do you begin?
How do you get into that character?
Well, I've played a lot of bad guys.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I can't imagine why.
I started out, you know, it's sort of I got my first break was maybe Fried Green Tomatoes, where I played like a wife beating Klansman, you know, or whatever.
And so I played a lot of wife beating Klansmen after that.
That's the look you have for a while.
Something about you, yeah.
But, you know, when I was working on Fried Green Tomatoes, I met the great Jessica Tandy.
Oh, yeah.
And I met her in the bus just one day, had one exchange with her, and she said, who do you play, dear?
And I said, oh, I'm Frank Bennett.
And she said, oh, my goodness, the bad guy.
And I said, well, I don't know.
My wife's been cheating on me.
I think I got kind of an argument here.
And she said, well, that's the way you have to look at it.
And so that's really what it is.
It's like people who are bad guys don't think they're bad.
They think they're doing the right thing.
So in terror, you know, what I did is I looked for what is the heart of that character?
Why is he doing what he's doing?
Yeah.
And it's because they murdered his daughter.
That's what he, that's how he sees it.
Yeah.
So he's doing the right thing.
He's getting rid of all the people who murdered his innocent little daughter.
So, I mean, one of the things that struck me, some people, some of our audience obviously complained about the fact that you quote the evil guy who quotes the Bible a lot.
But I really like that because I know it's kind of a Hollywood thing that they make the bad guy religious.
But you played this character as if he were the wreckage of a better person, like he could have been a better person, but this hatred in his heart.
And you're surrounded by these kind of gibbering maniacs, and you don't like them either.
Do you think about that, or do you just find your way to that?
Well, no, it definitely was, you know, there's a line in the movie that my character says that always stuck with me, which is, you know, God takes too damn long.
You know, and that's that, to me, that was the heart of that disconnect.
Yeah.
He was obviously somebody who knew the moral code, who had lived by it for some of his life, but he lost it when tragedy happened to him, you know, like happened to Job.
And, you know, he was not, he did not react to that in the way he was supposed to, the way the Bible tells you you're supposed to.
And so that's easy to do.
And that's a lot of people do that.
And that's what I thought was important about the film is that you can't just go around pretending that there aren't people who misuse and misunderstand scripture.
It doesn't make the scripture bad.
And so that's, I thought that was a very interesting element of the character.
Yeah, I mean, it's in the, you know, when Shakespeare says the devil can quote scripture to his purposes.
And in the Bible, he actually does.
That actually happens in the Gospels.
So you're working with Gina Carano.
I only got to meet her yesterday with a lovely person.
She's just a really nice person.
So much fun to work with, such a lovely, genuine person, and just a real joy to like scare to death and terrorize.
Try to kill her husband in front of her and all that.
It was great.
I knew you'd enjoy that.
I thought, at least Nick is having a good time.
Yeah.
Well, it's like, you know, after Fried Green Tomatoes, I kept getting parts where I beat up women.
And I got to worrying about it.
And I went to my wife at one point and said, why do you think I get all these parts where I beat up women?
And Leslie said, well, you don't look like you could beat up a man.
Always good to consult your wife on these magic.
Yeah.
I don't look like I could beat up Gina either.
Well, that is the thing.
She's so nice where she could kill you.
That's right.
It was good I had a gun.
I also like the fact in the movie, there's a lot of shooting and missing, which I think must have happened with those weapons.
You bet.
I mean, that's part of it.
You know, I heard some people complaining about that.
They were really terrible shots.
It's like, well, you know, they weren't exactly making Glock 9mm in 1875.
The machinery, it's like golf clubs back then were bad too.
You can't play with those.
Yeah, the laser.
They hadn't got that laser beam.
So Justified, one of my favorite shows, and you were terrific in it.
And you played a good guy, but there is a scene that I've never forgotten it because it made me sit up.
I think it was before I even met you, maybe.
There was a scene in it where you're sitting in the car, you're on steakhouse, and you're listening to Rush Limbaugh.
And I just remember thinking, how the hell did he get that in there?
Now, was that you or was that?
I'm asking you for a reason.
I'm not just saying that one.
Well, you know what it was?
Was Rush Limbaugh was a big fan of Justified.
And he would talk about it on his show.
And I always get excited.
And then one day he mentioned me by name on the show.
He said, one of my favorite characters came back in the season last night, Nick Sersey.
And I'm like, my phone blew up.
I'm friends with David Limbaugh on Twitter.
I'm like, does he want to talk to me?
Does he want me to come on?
So I went on the Rush Limbaugh show.
That was back during season four.
Okay.
And did a 12-minute segment.
I was on longer than Dick Cheney.
But anyway, you know, he justified was a better show.
That's right.
And so, you know, it just, he talked about how much he liked the show.
It wasn't about politics.
And then a couple after that interview, some of the writers, I was in the van going to the set when one of the writers was there and he said, you know, we listened to your Rush Limbaugh interview in the writer's room.
I said, oh, did you really?
I said, what did you think?
He said, well, it was pretty good.
I said, yeah, I'm bringing back that audience that you guys have been systematically driving away for 40 years.
And so the writers wrote it in.
They just said, it makes sense that my character, a marshall in Kentucky, would listen to Rush Limbaugh.
So they just put it in.
And I told Rush when I talked to him about it, I said, I think that's the first time that you've ever been used in a television show where the guy who was listening to you wasn't a bad guy.
It was genuinely startling.
And the reason I bring it up is I want to know, do you think anyone would do that today?
No.
It has changed.
Absolutely not.
No.
No, the demonization has gotten worse and worse.
And the split in Hollywood is now, I think it's irreparable.
I mean, I've talked to so many actor friends of mine.
I won't say their names, but the whole vaccine mandate stuff and how they've made this decree that no one can work on a set as an actor if you aren't vaccinated.
There's so many people who have really had their eyes open by that.
And you're either on one side or the other on that.
There's no middle ground there.
If someone's telling you, you have to do this or you're not eligible to work in this industry, and the other person says, I don't want to do that, you can't, there's no way back from there.
The other thing that has happened, and I'm getting this, well, secondhand, but I mean, one of my best agents retired because his entire stable of writers was out of work because they were white.
And this racialism that has come in that's actually mandated by some of the unions and guilds where they say you have to have a certain number.
And I know people who've had black writers assigned to their projects and told, he doesn't have to do anything, just put his name on the project, which I find so demeaning and degrading to the black writer.
I mean, it's just, how do you still manage?
Can you manage?
I mean, you're...
Well, you know, I think in some ways, I've been fortunate in that I was not smart enough to realize early on that I should keep my mouth shut.
Y'all say.
You know, so I just sort of, oh, by the time I learned it, it was too late.
You know, it's like, okay, I'm already out there.
What am I going to do?
You know, renounce my opinion.
But I think in my case, what happened to me is that some people hire me because of who I am.
You know, some people come, you know, and I have relationships with people, artistic relationships with people who've worked with me before, and they'll bring me back again because they know me and they don't care about the politics.
So in some ways, it's been an enhancement for me because I haven't had to work with too many people that hate my guts.
Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, and I've still been able to do quality projects and do the things that I want to do.
I mean, a lot of the stuff that I'm sent by my agent, I read it and I don't want to do it.
I mean, it's either not very challenging or it's just another white racist guy.
You know, it's like, I don't want to do that.
I've played enough Democrats.
Is there really any other kind?
No, I mean, I think that it's painful to watch because, first of all, TV has gotten bad, you know, and movies have gotten bad.
And I think most of it is this woke, woke stuff.
You've started making your own films, some of them.
I mean, is that something you want to keep doing?
Yeah, yeah, I have been.
I mean, you know, I did Gosnell, which we wrote, and directed that.
And then the last couple of years, I've been making some documentaries.
During COVID 2020, I made one documentary called God Shed His Grace on Thee about the Bible and the Constitution and how they've diverged over the years.
And then, you know, 2021, I made a film called Capital Punishment about the January 6th event that, in my opinion, has been lied about and trying to correct the record on that.
So, yeah, that's an aspect of my life that I want to continue doing.
I've kind of reached that point in my life where it's like, I don't just want a job.
I don't really need it.
I just, I want to do, but I want to do things with people that, you know, I enjoy working with, and I want to work on things that are meaningful to me.
Right.
And so that's really what I'm looking for.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, you know, it's funny.
I was thinking of all the great things that you were in.
Actually, Gosnell slipped my mind because you were great in that too.
You played the prosecutor in that.
Yeah.
I couldn't get a big star to do that part, so I had to do it myself.
Well, it was good.
And it turned out, you know, working with what you had, you did a really good job.
It turned out very, very well.
And, you know, I still, people still talk to me about that movie.
It's just so, it's so unique.
Yeah.
It just was a singular event.
Right.
You know, that a movie like that, it's hard to make.
Yeah.
Hard to get the money and hard to get it distributed because that's, they tried to do, you know, they tried to shut Gosnell down and keep it out of the theaters.
And the way they do that is they just don't talk about it.
Yeah.
There were like 11 reviews of Gosnell.
And normally a movie gets 200.
I know.
You got 11.
Yeah.
No, my novels went from getting like 300 reviews to one in one book.
Yeah.
And that's what's so important about what the Daily Wire is doing, getting into the entertainment business, because distribution has been the most difficult thing.
That's it.
How do you reach the audience if the gatekeepers in Hollywood won't let your content be shown because they disagree with your politics?
You've got to build your own.
You know, when people who talk to me about this, I get a lot of calls from people who say, I'm going to start a conservative movie-making company, but we're going to go beneath the radar.
And I say, the radar goes down to the ground.
You're not going beneath anything.
And what you were saying before, that by being outspoken, you have actually found friends as well as lost them.
I used to read your Twitter feed and laugh until I cried.
I mean, your Twitter, you just used to just rip people out.
It was like brutal.
It's a knife fight.
I would read it like through my fingers, you know, because I hated to watch the blood.
Was that a strategy or was that just you?
Well, if it's a strategy, it was a dumb one.
No, it's just me.
I mean, and I really, it was like I kept telling people for a long time my Twitter feed is just like an improv class.
I'm just like, I'm just coming up with crazy insults, you know, and just having some fun.
But after a while, you know, it just becomes like, okay, you're showing people, you're exhibiting behavior that like this is how you stand up to a bully.
Yeah.
You know, you don't apologize.
You make fun of them worse.
You know, I argue with people on Twitter all the time about, we've got to be better than them.
And I go, no, I'm going to be worse.
Make me worse than they are.
And see how they like that.
Now, did people know, at what point in Hollywood, in your career, did people catch on that this was who you were?
Was that like right away?
I mean, did you always, early pictures, did you actually say, you know, well, I'm on another side?
Well, you know, the conversation didn't come up as often when I first started.
And so that's what I mean.
It's like every time, every once in a while when it came up, I would say what I thought.
And then I started realizing, oh, everybody doesn't agree with me.
I thought I was just saying common sense.
But yeah, it got worse.
I mean, and I think that during the Bush years is when I really noticed that it was a real thing.
Because when Bush got re-elected, I was working on a show and we had a table read the next day.
And it was a comedy.
And one of the actors, thankfully, there were a couple other people on the show that felt like I did, so we weren't alone.
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But we were kind of not rubbing it in, but just sort of, boy, that was great, huh?
And there was an actress there who basically sit at the table read, I hung my head out the window on the way to work today and said, I wish somebody would assassinate him.
And I'm like, you know, that's not really legal for you to say that.
And there's also a lot of people that agree with that sentiment and they kind of are called terrorists.
So it's like at that point I realized, okay, this is like some really weird, deep-seated hatred, which I was not expecting.
Everything up to that point, I thought, well, we have political disagreements, but we don't want to kill each other, do we?
Apparently we do.
Yeah, apparently we do.
I got to stop there, but it's a great performance in Terror on the Prairie.
It really is.
And it's only one of many great performances you've turned in.
But there's something special about it, the way you made that man, that horrible person, a person.
And just an amazing talent.
I appreciate it.
Well, it meant a lot to me, and it was a great, great opportunity.
And I'm thankful to Jeremy and Dallas Sonier for giving me that opportunity.
And Gina, who was kind of my champion.
I'm so grateful to them for giving me that opportunity because I felt like finally I've gotten a role that I can really fulfill and that will fulfill me as well.
That was great.
Nick, it's always great talking to you.
Thanks, Andrew.
It's great to see you.
It's great to see you.
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My question is, what does it truly mean to be a good, strong woman?
The modern Bildungs Roman suggests that the climax of a young woman's life, no pun intended, is when she loses her virginity in supposedly pleasurable, aggressive, degrading sex, or when she beats every man in sword fight.
What happened to the Margaret Hales, Jane Eyers, or Elizabeth Bennett's of the World, all female characters in novels?
Could you recommend some good novels that showcase the true qualities of a strong woman?
Really interesting question.
And of course, well, of course, Jane Eyre is a wonderful novel.
It's a great, great, great novel.
But Elizabeth Bennett is one of Jane Austen's characters from Pride and Prejudice.
And Jane Austen, who I maintain is the only absolutely top-rank female novelist, if you put only at the top rank the Charles Dickens and Tolstoys of the world, Jane Austen is the only one who belongs at that rank because of producing these books again and again, which is what these absolutely great novelists do.
And her books are so good because her women are real.
They're actual real people that you might meet and admire and they do find virtue and represent virtue all the time.
I'm always interested.
Another character you might like, although she's more ideal, is Esther Summerson from Bleak House.
Bleak House is a marvelously entertaining Charles Dickens novel.
It's something like 800 pages.
I read very slowly.
I literally read it in a three-day weekend because I couldn't put it down.
It's just a wonderful, wonderful story.
And I've been in love with Esther Summerson all my life, and she's a wonderful, ideal woman.
Also, a woman who is both strong and virtuous is Minna Harker from Dracula, which is a great novel.
I'm going to talk about that with someone in a couple of weeks.
We're going to bring on a guest to talk about that novel because I just think it's underrated in its literary quality.
And Minna Harker and that.
You know, modern novels about women.
I don't know.
I don't really read many women's novels now because I think they're so bad, but it's so dishonest, really.
But it's interesting to me that twice in your letter you use the word strong and this thing about a strong woman.
I hear the young women here use this all the time.
It's a strong woman.
And I always wonder why is strength the first quality that you admire in a woman.
Is that really the first?
I mean, what about, what would you do about tender or generous or nurturing?
You know, obviously you have to be strong in life.
All of us have to be strong in life because there's great tragedy in life.
There's great difficulty in life.
And you have to weather it and you have to be strong.
But I always tell college students when I'm talking to them, if I wanted to marry somebody that strong, I'd have married a guy.
That's not actually what I'm looking for from my wife.
And I think that the thing about it is that when you say that being a homemaker is a spiritual task, which I truly believe, the world is against all spiritual tasks.
The world does not like spiritual tasks.
It likes money tasks.
It offers you fame and fortune for doing things in a mediocre way.
When you look at the most popular movie, nine times out of ten, it's okay.
You look at the great movie, it's probably down the line a little bit.
And more and more as the culture decays, we see that happening even more where the great movie has to be made on a budget or a great novel kind of disappears without anybody finding it except these guys like me who hunt for it.
So the corporations don't want you to be a stay-at-home mom.
They want you to work for them.
And that's why they're paying for abortions now.
They say, yeah, we'll get you an abortion.
So spiritual tasks are always belittled by the world because the world wants you to get in the machine, do what you're going to do.
But surely, I'm not sure that strength is the first thing a woman needs.
I think it's that quality of generosity that allows her to put herself into a position where she's not going to get rich and famous, but she's only going to get the love of the people she has shaped, informed, and created, which is another kind of reward altogether.
And if you read, by the way, if you read my book, The Truth and Beauty, and the chapter on Frankenstein, I talk a lot about why women are in a particularly difficult position because they have been stripped by machinery of some of the actual economic tasks they had before, which also gave them a role in the economy and in the world while they were doing their important spiritual work.
And how I hope that's going to change now with the computer.
From Kelly, I agree with you.
This is kind of the compliment question.
I agree with you that beauty is an essential feminine quality.
What do you think is its masculine equivalent, valor or strength?
Well, I think that, you know, strength in a man or courage in a man is probably courage more than strength.
Courage in a man is similar to beauty because it has no moral quality.
A beautiful woman can be evil and a courageous man can be evil, but it is essential to have courage in some way to be a man.
It's not essential to be beautiful to be a woman, but it's a great advantage to women to be beautiful.
But I think that the most important thing, I think in women, I look for generosity and tenderness.
Those are the things that I think of as feminine qualities.
And in men, I look for integrity and the courage to stand by your integrity, because courage by itself doesn't mean a thing unless you're standing by it.
What I mean by integrity is to be whole, that you make sense, that when you don't make sense, you correct and make sense, that you are who you seem to be, that everybody has a private life and everybody has things that they don't want to talk about about other people, but you should do what you say you're going to do, be who you say you are, and follow through on your beliefs.
And I think those are the important things about men.
And obviously, all these things, you know, it's good to be a handsome man, it's good to be a woman of integrity and all this, but these are essential qualities.
From Jeff, my brother was hit by a drunk driver, clinging to life with proverbial white knuckles in hopes that you and Jesus will solve all our problems and change our lives, hopefully for the better.
Here's a stumper.
In Psalm 121, the psalmist says, God will not suffer your foot to be moved.
Satan quotes a similar verse to Jesus, that he would not strike his foot against a stone.
The Bible has a lot of specific promises of good fortune.
However, it's obvious that bad things will happen to both good people and bad people, as Jesus, by the way, says.
Why do these promises appear in the Bible?
Do those who trust in God have better fortune?
If my brother lives, is there a reason he survived when others have died from the same thing?
Please solve the riddle of sin and death for me.
I hope I explained the question adequately.
Looking forward to your 100% correct answer.
I'm glad you put it with that sense of humor.
I'm so sorry for your brother.
I hope he pulls through.
But, you know, that I'm going to solve the problem of sin and death.
Whenever I answer questions like this, I always get letters from me, always get emails from people who have a definite answer.
Why didn't you tell them that Jesus loves them or something?
And I feel in these questions, the opposite of wisdom is certainty, that these are mysterious things if we believe in a good God and we have to live a little bit with our doubts in order to have faith and have God in ourselves and in our lives.
But still, in reading the Bible, I read the Bible as the story of man's relationship to God as told by the Jews who were chosen to tell that story, but who represent everybody in that story.
What the Jews do, we all do.
The sins they commit, we all commit.
The good they do, we all do.
And their relationship with God represents all of our relationships with God.
That's why I think that when people say, well, the Jews killed Christ.
No, no, no.
There is the Jews representing you in that situation.
And the Jews who followed Christ also represent you or the possibility of you in that situation.
And so what I see is the Bible is a story that's being told.
Stories take place in time.
And the end of the story, the climax of the story, is Jesus.
And we know that Jesus changes.
He rewrites some of the Bible, like the laws on divorce.
So we know he's the culmination and meant to be the answer to the very question that you're asking.
And the answer to that question is life is not all there is.
We are living in an eternal paradigm where these things ultimately are true.
It is ultimately true that if you follow God, if you have faith, not only will your life probably be better, but that ultimately you will be protected from harm, the true harm that doesn't just kill the body, but kills the body and the soul.
And so you understand those things in the Old Testament in light, the light of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
And then they have a different meaning, a bigger meaning, an eternal meaning.
And that's what they mean.
Because you're right.
As Jesus says, the rain falls on the good and the bad alike.
And that is the truth.
And so those promises are there.
Those promises will be kept, but they are kept in a larger life than we know we have right now.
I got to stop there, have a wonderful 4th of July, and then succumb to the Clavenless Week in which we will be destroyed.
But if you survive, I'll be back on Friday.
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