Andrew Clavin and Jenna Ellis dissect the 2024 election landscape, arguing Trump’s landslide potential stems from media bias—like CNN’s skewed polling (Biden +14) and "lie factory" narratives—while mocking corporate virtue signaling over racial justice. Ellis slams the Supreme Court’s Title VII ruling as judicial overreach, clashing with CNN’s Brian Stelter over fact-checking standards and voter suppression claims. They link societal unrest—from Atlanta shootings to Seattle’s CHAZ occupation—to progressive policies like welfare and critical race theory, framing Trump’s appeal as a backlash against performative activism and collapsing civil authority. [Automatically generated summary]
I take responsibility for everything I've never done so that those who have done those things can continue to be irresponsible until they destroy their lives.
And then I don't have to worry about them anymore.
I take responsibility for every social ill of the last seven centuries committed by anyone who looks vaguely like me by virtue of having a nose and eyes and being a human and doing stuff that humans do to one another, but now is somehow my fault because otherwise I'd have to tell you the truth about yourself and then you'd cancel me.
I take responsibility for the fact that you're sticking a gun in my stomach and demanding all my cash.
Oh, and now you're burning down a building and I take responsibility for that too.
If you'll just take the gun out of my stomach and here's my cash and please don't kill me.
I take responsibility for the fact that no matter what I take responsibility for, I'm going to have more money than you.
In fact, I'm taking responsibility because it's cheaper than telling the truth and allows me to keep more of the money I have more of than you so I can blow this crappy state and leave you with no tax base, so you're screwed.
I take responsibility for every unfunny racial joke I never told, even though the ones I do tell are hilarious, like the one about an Italian Asian and a black guy who walk into a bar.
But I won't tell that joke, even though it really is hilarious.
I'll just tell it later when you're not looking.
And I take responsibility for that.
And mostly, I take responsibility for being a fatuous, virtue-signaling, useless celebrity knucklehead, which is a much better life than yours, by the way, for which I take complete responsibility and then run away before you realize I haven't done a damn thing for you and your life still sucks.
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Is anyone else annoyed at all these corporations telling us how much they like black people?
Is that bothering anybody else?
I go on Amazon, and that's where I shop for books, and usually they have some sort of magic algorithm that tells me what books I might like from the other books I've already bought, and that can be very useful.
It actually helps me out.
But now they're showing me a lot of books about race that I'm completely uninterested in, and I'm never going to read.
I'm never going to read those books.
I'm not interested in them.
Same with Netflix.
Suddenly, they're promoting a lot of racially themed movies I'm not going to watch.
So what's the point?
What is the point of that?
Well, obviously, it seems to me, the point is, one, to show us what wonderful people the zillionaires who run these companies are.
And two, and more importantly, to indemnify their companies against civil rights lawsuits by having some meaningless garbage they can point to as proof of their goodwill.
This annoys me for many reasons, but one of them is I don't actually think we have a race problem in this country.
I think we have a certain amount of hostility toward a specific black underclass that was created by Democrat policies and now contributes an inordinate amount of crime and dysfunction to our society while blaming everyone but themselves.
Get rid of the Democrat policies, stop indulging in identity politics, you'll get rid of the underclass.
It's not genetic.
It's a result of Democrat policies.
So if there's a book about that that Amazon wants to sell me, I'll buy that.
But I don't need their propaganda.
There's not a book about that because the penalties for saying what I just said, cancellation and loss of profits and loss of sponsors, they're very high and people don't want to pay those penalties.
So I have to suffer these companies pushing a dishonest vision of our problems at me instead of just selling me some book I might like, like the collected poems of John Clare, which is something I would actually read.
Ring's Mission: Safety First00:02:12
This tells us something.
It tells us that conservative over-reliance on capitalism and business these past 40 years was a mistake.
I've said it before, but it's true.
Capitalism and business cannot alone replace good values, courage, true religion, and truth telling.
These corporations are acting badly out of self-interest and out of capitalistic self-interest instead of honestly acting and telling the truth out of true concern for our problems.
It tells us that the Republican Party has failed.
The Republican Party has failed by allowing rule by civil rights lawsuits and regulations to replace the Constitution.
Our problems don't stem from race.
They stem from bad law, dishonesty, and cowardice and bad policy.
You know, we're going to talk more about this civil rights law because the Supreme Court just came in with an insane ruling.
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Silence And Racism00:15:59
What's a little groan in there?
There was another shooting in Atlanta, and a black guy was passed out in his car.
It looked like the police brought him out.
They had what was a totally calm interchange with the guy.
Then they put him under arrest and he suddenly went nuts and he grabbed a taser.
It looks like he tried to fire at the cop.
A cop tried to fire the taser.
Finally, one of the cops shot him.
But it looked like in the video, it looked like he was running away.
So it looked like he was shot in the back.
But he was resisting arrest.
So I don't know.
It'll unfold.
A white girl then set fire to the Wendy's.
I mean, somebody should have said to her, ma'am, it's a Wendy's, you know, somehow they burned the Wendy's to the ground.
So Ted Cruz said, they're canceling Gone with the Wind.
They're also burning Atlanta.
So, you know, this is really, this has really gotten to a point where I'm starting to hear, and this saddens me, but it's true.
I'm starting to hear a lot of quiet racism, a lot of people saying, I've had it, I'm done, I'm not buying into this narrative anymore.
I'm starting to hear people tell me they're going to vote for Trump no matter what.
And I'm starting to wonder, the news media is now such a lie factory.
I mean, it's not, you know, we used to say it's biased, it's so prejudiced, so one-sided, but now it's just all lies.
And well, we'll talk about that a little bit more.
I mean, it's this two, this two-tier news.
You know, so Blaisey Ford, Christine Blasey Ford is a big story when she charges Brett Kavanaugh, but Tara Reed doesn't exist.
Hilariously, some of this stuff is hilarious.
They're touting these transgender rallies, these enormous rallies in Brooklyn.
But then if Trump is going to have a rally in Oklahoma, that's going to spread the Chinese flu.
So it's literally, you're seeing, it's like a split screen.
Here's the lying news about Democrats, and here is the lying news about Republicans, and there are two different forms of news.
And so I have no idea what people are going to vote for.
The polls all say that Biden is ahead.
I don't believe it.
And I'll read to you that Politico put out an article saying the local people are starting to say, no, we see a landslide for Trump coming.
And who would blame it?
Who would vote for Joe Biden at this point?
I mean, who would vote for people who hate this country so much they think it should be burnt down?
Who would vote for people who think that it's okay to take over part of the city?
Like the mayor of Seattle who says, oh, yeah, it's like just, it's like a block party when they take over a place and establish their own law, their own rule of misrule.
Who would vote for them?
We will find out.
All right.
So let's, I want to start with talking a little bit about race because it really does bother me.
You know, again, I want to say this again.
We don't have a race problem.
People are not racist.
I mean, obviously everybody has racism in their heart, but people are not bothered by race.
We have all kinds of people who become successful in this country.
We have Indians.
I think Asians make more money than any other racial group.
We have black people.
We will take a black person and elevate him to the highest office in the land, the presidency of the United States.
Black entertainers have been our favorite entertainers at times.
You know, it's not, it is not just white.
It's not white supremacy.
It's nothing like that.
What we do have is we do have an animus toward a certain black underclass.
So when Senator Scott gets stopped by the police and he says it's unfair, I'm a senator.
I'm wearing my senator pin.
They still stop me.
It is because the police are saying this man may be part of that underclass because he has the same color skin.
And you can call that racism, but it's also the kind of prejudice.
Thomas Sowell writes about this.
It's the kind of prejudice that somebody uses wisely when he only has a short period of time to make a decision.
And the consequences of being wrong are huge.
Okay.
So all this talk about systemic racism really isn't true.
This black underclass did not exist before the 1960s.
It didn't exist.
This was not a thing.
This thing was created by the great society.
It was created by welfare programs that basically paid people to have children out of wedlock.
It was race welfare programs that discouraged people from working.
It was created by feminist ideology that said fathers weren't necessary in the home.
It was created by sexual ideology that said marriage didn't matter.
It helped destroy poor people.
But this is not about race.
I mean, this is the thing.
This is what bothers me.
I understand people watching the looting.
I understand people watching all this hammering black, black, black, and people start to feel racist about it.
But the reason we know it's not about race, okay?
And I don't care what you've read about IQ and all this stuff.
This stuff, it really bugs me because it's not about race.
We know it's not about race because other countries at other times have had an underclass based on a race, like the Irish in England and like the Jews in Russia.
And when that underclass, when that race was put in a different situation, like coming to America, suddenly they thrived.
So we know it's not about genetics.
We know it's not about the color of people's skin.
It's about the policies.
It's about the way people are treated.
As I keep saying, it's racists who make race.
And now the racists are on the left.
There are racists on the right, but leftism and racism are the same thing.
And so they're creating these terrible problems for our fellow citizens who are black.
And we should care about that.
We should say, this has got to stop.
It is also this civil rights law.
And like I said, we're going to talk more about this crazy, crazy decision, but it is about this 1964 civil rights law that basically said you have to hire people.
You cannot discriminate against people because of their race.
But it really translated through lawsuits into you have to hire a certain number of people to not be accused of being racist.
That's the problem.
That's why all these corporations are virtue signaling.
That's the thing they're worried about.
See, what the law says is you can't discriminate, but what really happens is you go in and you say, well, your company has all white employees.
And you say, well, I just hired the best people.
No, I'm assuming you're racist.
That's the way the law works.
And how do I prove you're racist?
Well, you know, when that guy was killed in Minneapolis, Amazon, you didn't put up race-related books.
That shows that you're racist.
That can happen to you.
You can lose money that way.
You can lose money because one of your employees on his off hours got drunk and said something untoward about race, you know, a certain race.
And then they say, well, look, not only do you not have enough, you know, 13% black employees, but this guy who works for you made this comment while he was drunk at a party.
And so that's evidence against you too.
And you lose money.
And that's why people keep getting fired.
That's why people keep getting canceled for things like saying all lives matter, for crazy stuff like that.
That makes people nuts.
You know, it makes people crazy because now we know we're all being lied to.
We know that everybody's got to say certain things and agree to certain things that aren't true.
They just aren't true.
You don't hate, you know, you don't hate people who are black.
I mean, it doesn't, like I said, we had a black president who was elected twice.
Many of the people who voted for him voted for Trump afterwards.
So there's no correlation there.
You know, it's just, it's just not what's happening.
What is happening is you have a small number of people committing a lot of the violent crime and then blaming you for it and telling you you've got to pay them money so they won't be bad people, right?
That's crazy.
I mean, Shelby Steele, who's the one person who's got the nads to basically go on and talk about this stuff, he's been on Fox, the only place where they'll talk to him.
He's one of the most brilliant men in the country and one of the best writers too.
Let's play the first cut of him talking about this problem.
What's going wrong with black America?
Why are they so dependent on white America, on the government, that all they can think of is themselves as victims, which then, of course, deflates them as human beings, undermines their best energies, their best intentions, and so after 50, 60 years now, passed the Civil Rights Bill, we're worse off in many socioeconomic categories than we were 60 years ago, back then.
I don't blame that entirely.
And I understand why it happened and the kind of liberalism that came in and really took over our fate, took it away from us.
White America in many ways did that.
And they needed it for their own reasons.
White Americans live under this accusation that they're racist.
They need to prove that they're not racist.
That's right.
And so they made these liberal laws that make white people feel good about themselves and destroy the lives of black people.
That is exactly right.
That's exactly right.
Why do white people feel racist?
Here's a little montage from our friends at Grabium as Cut 3.
Well, if you think you're not racist, you could be right.
But in this day and age, that's simply not good enough.
What I did wrong in 2016 is I overestated white people.
The biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right.
Those white guys, those middle-aged, boring, nerdy-looking white guys.
And white people have been probably woefully late to this conversation, but I'm not willing to let white voters off the hook.
Do you believe that white folks actually care about racial injustice?
It doesn't appear that we do.
I mean, the status quo of our society is racism, and it's comfortable for white people.
Well, because we're white, we have had privilege, even the poorest of us.
Amazing.
So who's going to say, who's going to tell the truth to your black neighbor?
What white man is going to tell the truth when he knows he can get canceled, when he knows he can get fired, when he knows he can get called racist, when he knows that the entire communication system of America will gang up on him and declare these races?
Who is going to turn to his black neighbor and say, my friend, as someone who loves you, as someone who is your fellow citizen, as someone who wants you to thrive, only you can do it.
Only you are responsible for yourself.
Marry the girl who has your children.
Don't take drugs.
Get an education.
Make sure your kids get an education.
Who's going to do it?
Who is going to do it?
Instead, Amazon puts up a book, you know, like, oh, the new Jim Crow.
Screw you.
Screw you, Amazon.
You know, that's not the problem.
That book is bad.
It's a bad book.
You know, it is a book that contributes to the problem.
So you're basically showing your white allyhood on the backs of black people.
And it's just wrong.
You know, so Politico has this article.
So what I'm saying now is that underneath all of this stuff, and this is what we're being, it's like a cloud of lies.
Something else may be going on.
And I can't promise it.
I'm not predicting it.
I'm just saying that it is completely plausible to believe something else is going on.
Here's Politico.
By most conventional indicators, Donald Trump is in danger of becoming a one-term president.
The economy is a wreck.
The coronavirus persists.
His poll numbers have deteriorated.
But throughout the Republican Party's vast organization in the states, the operational approach to Trump's reelection campaign is hardening around a fundamentally different view.
Interviews with more than 50 state, district, and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago and possibly even slightly better.
According to this view, the virus is on its way out.
The economy is coming back.
Polls are unreliable.
Joe Biden is too frail to last.
And the media still doesn't get it.
Andrew Hitt, the state party chairman in Wisconsin, said that during the height of public attention on the coronavirus in late March and early April, internal polling suggested, quote, some sagging off where we want it to be.
But now he said things are coming right back where we want them.
That focus on the economy and on reopening and bringing America back is resonating with people.
At the center of the disconnect between Trump loyalists' assessment of the state of the race and the one based on public opinion polls is a distrust of polling itself.
Republicans see an industry that maliciously oversamples Democrats or undersamples the white non-college educated voters who are most likely to support Trump, and Trump voters also hang up on them, right?
If you silence conservatives, you can't hear them coming.
That is the thing.
If you silence conservatives, you can't hear them coming.
If you silence voices, then the people will express their voices at the ballot box.
It may not change anything because of this tangle of law, but they still will say what they have to say.
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So this whole thing about, you know, Mark Hemingway sent out two tweets, right?
The writer, and they're both from NBC News.
There was a huge, huge black trans rally in Brooklyn.
I mean, it was enormous.
And people packed together and nobody's wearing masks.
And it's all, you know, it's one of these rallies, right?
So NBC News tweets, as Americans come together at Black Lives Matter's protests around the country, activists have also put a lens on the lives of black trans people as Americans come together, right?
This is America.
These are Americans coming together.
All Americans are now coming together at Black Lives Matter protests.
This is Americans.
No Americans are not coming together at Black Lives Matter.
An hour later, an hour later, they tweet, President Trump plans to rally his supporters next Saturday for the first time since most of the county was shuttered by the coronavirus.
But health experts are questioning that decision.
I mean, the two questions that always come to mind when I see this is: A, how dumb do they think we are?
And B, how dumb are we?
I mean, are we buying this?
Do we buy this?
Do people even on the left, I mean, I really wonder about this.
Do people on the left look at this and think like, oh man, come on, just tell the truth and we'll win because our ideas are better?
But obviously, no one on the left is thinking that.
The left, as I've said, have been Pavlovian trained.
They've been trained like Pavlov's dogs, not to listen to an argument and whether it has something to tell them or whether it's true, but only to listen to whether it violates their already established left-wing precepts.
So you say something like I just said, that maybe the 1964 civil rights law interferes with our freedoms and is bad law.
And it's like, I'm offended.
But they don't think, is that true?
Does he have a point?
Why is he saying that?
They don't think it.
They just get offended and then they try and silence you.
If they're offended, then you did something wrong and they have to silence you.
Just amazing, amazing stuff.
And so we're being gaslit.
I mean, every news story is two news stories.
Every news story is the story that they're telling us, the real story.
It's really three news stories.
The story that they're telling us that makes Democrats look good, the real story, and the story that they're telling us that makes Republicans look bad.
It's always the same thing.
There is this takeover.
Three News Stories00:09:30
You've heard of this, the chaz, right, in Seattle.
A bunch of thugs threw bottles and rocks at the police until the mayor told the police to stand down.
They took over several blocks of the city.
The city just now looks like an abs.
This part of the city now looks like what you'd think it looks like.
There's pornographic graffiti everywhere.
There's filthy words scrawled everywhere.
The place is a mess.
It's just absolutely disgusting.
Here is the description from the mayor of Seattle.
It's cut too.
I know it will shock you that the president is perhaps not giving an accurate or truthful picture.
We've got four blocks in Seattle that you just saw pictures of that is more like a block party atmosphere.
It's not an armed takeover.
It's not a military junta.
We will make sure that we can restore this, but we have block parties and the like in this part of Seattle all the time.
It's known for that.
He is totally does not understand what is happening in America, and he is desperately trying to start the old fights and the old divisions that put him in power in the first place.
How long do you think Seattle in those few blocks looks like this?
I don't know.
We could have a summer of love.
Here's the police chief, Carmen Best, Cut 23, describing the summer of love.
Our 911 response times have tripled in the area.
They've gone from just over five minutes to about 18 minutes.
Raits, robberies, and all sorts of violent acts have been occurring in the area that we're not able to get to.
So it is not right for us not to be able to deploy our officers here.
So, you know, it's funny, by funny you mean horrific and strange, but it's funny that, you know, we know what happens when civilization falls apart.
We know what happens when the police are thrown out, when the law disappears, when the law is enforced in an irregular manner, in an arbitrary manner.
You know, in fact, let's just play a little bit of some of the things that are actually going on in this zone.
Give me one, like, you know, in Cut 13, here's a guy, a street preacher, is in this chazz zone.
And here's the reaction from the people.
Don't please people.
You would be displeased.
You would be disgusting.
What you are doing!
condemn messing up your own lord would be ashamed of what you are doing right now We're not going to let you go.
We can't anymore.
Dude, this is done.
You can go.
This isn't about people.
This is about Jesus.
Put that down on the people.
Jesus will protect you.
If this is about Jesus, put that down and tunnel people.
It's a block party as long as you agree, right?
It's a summer of love, as long as they love you.
And when they don't love you, they rip you to shreds.
And the thing about it is, is we know this happens.
We know what happens every single time law and order breaks down.
Women get raped.
Strong men dominate weaker men.
Armed men dominate unarmed men.
That's what happens every single time throughout history.
But we don't know the history anymore because people are pulling down all the statues, because people are canceling all the movies, because all the books are being told, we're being told to decolonize our bookshelves.
Libraries are literally talking about throwing out their books.
This is book burning.
I mean, you know, the thing about it is, is when you burn a book, what you really need to do is look in the mirror and say, I am a book burner.
That is who I am, right?
You're a Nazi.
If you're burning books, you're a Nazi.
If you're yelling and screaming at people because they disagree with you, if you're attacking people physically because they disagree with you, it doesn't matter whether you call yourself an anti-Nazi, you're still a Nazi.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what you call yourself.
It doesn't matter how you dress.
It doesn't matter what education you have.
That's what you are.
We know this happens, though, because we read history, because we pay attention to these things.
And we don't erase all our history.
It's only when all that history gets erased that you actually have people like Chris Cuomo going on television in a tie-in jacket saying, no, no, riots are good.
Riots, no, riots bring change.
They bring happy times.
Happy times come from riots.
You know, that's because he's an ignorant buffoon.
You know, it's like, that's why, because they're only allowed to learn the history they're allowed to learn.
If you don't let people speak, you can never find out when you're wrong.
If you're trained, the reason they train you to be offended, the reason they train you to be offended and to listen for whether you're offended and to listen to whether you feel unsafe, as opposed to whether somebody is saying something that makes sense, is so they can have power over you to do what they want to do.
That is why they do it.
I always ask college kids this, you know, when kids come to my speeches at colleges and they protest and they look angry.
I say, why do you think they're telling you not to listen to me?
What's the worst thing that can happen if you listen to me?
You know, what is it?
Seriously, what's the worst?
I'm armed.
You know, I'm just here to talk.
I like you.
I'm here to be friendly.
What's the worst thing that can happen?
The worst thing that can happen is the people in power can lose some of their power by having you begin to disagree with them.
That's the worst thing that can happen.
So that's why you've got all this.
And so now, on top of everything else, you've got the gaslighting about defund the police.
They're saying defund the police, defund the police.
They're saying, well, we defund the police.
We don't, it doesn't defund.
When you say defund, what it means is move defunds to the police.
That's what it means.
It doesn't mean defund the police, right?
So finally, the New York Times on Knucklehead Row, they put up an op-ed that said, because, you know, they're only allowed to put leftist op-eds up now, so they just go further and further left.
They put up one by an organizer against criminalization, whatever that means.
Her name is Mariami Kaba.
And she says, yes, we mean literally abolish the police.
That's what we mean.
And then she just goes ahead and says we have to abolish the police.
So here's the thing.
We're being so badly gaslighted.
We're being so badly gaslighted that we can't trust anything we hear.
How can we make decisions except looking ourselves to try and find the facts, which is more than most of us can do?
We're not reporters.
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Oh, that was untrue, but let's move on.
Barack Obama was scandal-free.
Oh, that was untrue, but let's move on.
The Russian collusion story, Trump is colluding with the Russians.
That's untrue, but let's move on.
At no point does the press ever stop and say, you know what?
You know what?
We've got to fix this.
We've got to fix this.
We no longer serve the public.
We only serve our own ideology.
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Factually False Opinions00:12:54
All right, we've got Jenna Ellis coming right up to talk to us about the Supreme Court and her fight with Brian Stelter.
Jenna Ellis was with us.
She's on the run from the law after having slaughtered Brian Stelter in front of 17 viewers, I think, is CNN's audience.
It was a bloodletting.
She is the top legal advisor from the Trump campaign and a friend of this program.
We're so proud of her.
She's got from just coming on this show.
She has become the secret government of the United States.
Jenna, it's great to see you.
How are you?
Great to see you too, Drew.
So, you know, I do have clean hands.
I just want to show people.
And I have new nails because here things are actually opening.
And so I got my nails done.
And, you know, Brian did chip one of them yesterday, but it's only out of my deep respect for you that I didn't go on Twitter and call it a cat fight.
There were two girls in the fight, let's be honest.
I know, I know.
What a terrible thing.
Don't encourage me, Jennifer, crying out loud.
Let's talk first about the Supreme Court.
We're going to put the state of the nation before our own entertainment.
Let's talk first about the Supreme Court.
Now, this law, this 1964 law, Goldwater, Barry Goldwater, really got hit.
He was a very big pro-civil rights guy, Barry Goldwater, but he wouldn't vote for this law, this 1964 Civil Rights Act, because he said it got in the way of the Constitution, the freedom of association.
And it does seem like it's just blowing up.
So explain to us what this decision was today.
Yeah, so this decision was really disappointing, I think, to everyone who understands what the judicial branch is actually for within the Constitution and the fundamental principle in Article 1, Section 1, that says that all legislative authority is given to whom?
Congress.
That means that judges cannot legislate from the bench.
And so what happened today is that instead of having this conversation about Title VII and saying, do we want to add more categories of protected classes within the context of employers and discrimination?
That is a policy conversation.
That is something that needs to happen in Congress.
And what happened today is that six of the Supreme Court judges substituted their opinion and they wrote in 2020 to shape and to redefine what the legislature precisely said in terms of the definition of sex in 1964.
That has always meant the biological difference between male and female.
Now, if we want to add other categories of protected classes like sexual orientation and gender identity, then we can, but that needs to happen in Congress and Congress alone.
It is not for the court to manipulate this definition of sex to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
So it's shocking to me.
And I say that actually tongue-in-cheek, Drew, because it's shocking that Chief Justice Roberts, who had such a wonderful position on the constitutional accuracy in the Obergefeld decision that said this is a state issue.
We want to make sure we stay within the margin of the Constitution.
Whatever you may believe about gay marriage, that is not something the court can decide here.
This is a policy consideration.
Yet he signs on to this decision.
So which is it, Justice Roberts?
Where do you want to actually put your stake in terms of what the future of the court is going to be?
So this was a bad decision just from a constitutional standpoint, regardless of where you stand on whether or not SOGI language or sexual orientation, gender identity should be a protective class.
So Gorsuch, who wrote, he wrote the decision and he's supposed to be our great textualist.
If I get his argument right, let me see if this is his argument, right?
Jenna goes to work in a dress and Andrew goes to work in a dress.
If Andrew gets fired, he is then essentially being penalized for his sex.
Is that his argument?
And his argument is when we say no discrimination according to sex, that means no discrimination according to sex.
So in other words, if you are married to a man and I am married to a man and you penalize me, it's only because I happen to be male.
Am I getting that argument?
It's a wild argument.
It's a wild argument because it's talking about sexual preferences and sexual activity rather than actually just the basis of biological sex.
And so that's the problem with this is that it's so expansive and so broad that let's say that you go to work and you know that you're married to a man and there are all other kinds of reasons why your employer says, you know what, you're not really a great employee.
Well, now you can say, well, but on the basis of my sex, you know, that's that sexual discrimination.
And what the purpose and the intent of the 1964 law and why I think that your analysis at the very beginning was correct in terms of this opening a can of worms is that there are the whole purpose was to make sure that immutable characteristics, your race, your sex, you know, your biological sex, that you weren't discriminated on that basis.
It was supposed to protect women, frankly, from being discriminated in the workplace.
But now when this expansive definition is written into the law and it's presumed, I mean, I have gone over this argument, Drew, and it is wild.
And it is something that doesn't make rational sense.
And it is catering to the current culture rather than saying we are staying within the margins of the Constitution and you can have that fight in Congress.
It's very disappointing from Gorsuch.
I mean, it's not really, you know, I don't know where he's getting this from.
It's a very, it's not a textualist argument.
And that's what he was famous for.
Let's move on for a minute to this Brian Stelter thing because it's not just amusing to watch you rip his head off, which is amusing, but it's also, you went on there to talk about the polls.
And we were talking before, I was talking before about the fact that some of the state people in the GOP are saying they think Trump is going to win this election big because the polls are completely wrong.
Let me just play, do we have the capability to just play a little cut of this for a minute?
You are peddlers.
You understand that someday you're going to regret this right three and a half years.
Someday you're going to regret this when your kids and your grandkids look back at this time and you use slurs and smears like fake news to hurt news, Brian.
And Johnny, you can't even come on.
I think in 10 or 20 years, if we just sit down and talk about this, you're going to recognize how damaging it was, how damaging it was to use terms like fake news to attack journalists who were trying to do their jobs.
In 15 or 20 years, you're not trying to do your job.
You're not a journalist, Brian.
You're an activist.
That's the problem.
You have an agenda and your agenda is anti-Trump.
Now, I know for a fact that he had to go to bed and have a good cry after this.
This was like, you know, he really, he really was overmatched and you wouldn't let him inter.
I like they attacked you online for interrupting him, but you were actually interrupting him, interrupting you.
You were trying to tell him something that he wouldn't, you were trying to tell him something that he wouldn't listen to, which was that they were actually, it was two things.
First, it was that in the in the basis of in the middle of an opinion piece, they had said something that was factually false.
So that was your argument to begin with.
Is that right?
Yeah, well, so what was so fascinating about this interview, and one of the things that hasn't been highlighted as much is just, you know, the back and forth of the attacks in the media.
But the thing that I found the most shocking about this interview is that when I asked him just generally, do you agree that the media should never publish factually false statements?
He wouldn't agree.
And I got him to say he does understand the difference between an opinion statement and a fact statement.
So he did, he did say, oh, yeah, you know, I'm intelligent enough to know the difference on that.
But then he refused to say that.
And why?
Because he would have conceded CNN's position in our lawsuit in the campaign.
I mean, he's the defendant.
I'm the plaintiff talking to the defendant on a live interview was really what happened, which was incredible to me.
But he refused to actually agree.
And this is where he's just not an intelligent person because what he should have said is, well, of course, we would never publish factually false statements, knowingly false statements, but we didn't.
And try to rebut that.
But he knows that that's actually what happened.
And he couldn't concede that ground.
And he couldn't say that in general, the fake news media should never publish factually false statements.
I mean, isn't that crazy for a journalist to not be willing to admit that?
So, well, you, you're the campaign is suing him.
You're suing him because in a opinion piece, what was embedded in the piece?
What did they say that was factually false in the piece?
So we're suing CNN, you know, not Brian specifically, but, you know, but of course he's just to clarify that for everyone watching.
But this was an opinion piece that said that the campaign was going to leave open options to again collude with Russia to overturn the 2020 election.
And so that was a false statement that then the author continued to opine on that factually false statement.
And so the law does not protect a factually false statement simply because it's embedded in an opinion piece.
Now, the other thing is we've been hearing, and at this point, I really don't know what to believe.
We've been hearing that the Trump campaign's internal polls are not making the president happy.
But at the same time, CNN's polls are real outliers.
And so you went after him for that.
And he was kind of defending a poll that was, I mean, it's not that they don't have the right to put out the poll, but the poll was absurd.
Well, you know, again, they can put out polls, but they have to be legitimate and they have to actually be meaningful.
But we've seen, again, in 2016 and all of these polls, all that they're trying to do is say, look, we've manipulated the conclusion and all we're going to do is put out the conclusion.
That's the headline.
And so their headline was, Trump is 14 points behind Biden nationally, which is completely ridiculous.
Of course, it's an outlier.
And that's not at all what our internal data is showing.
But what they did was they polled a little over a thousand adults, not likely voters, not even registered voters.
And that's not the industry standard for polling.
And so what they're trying to do then, and then also the percentage of self-identified Republicans was only 25% in that poll.
So they're trying to, I mean, it would be like me going to a specific at a known Democrat neighborhood and saying, this then, I know that I'm polling 100% Democrats and I'm choosing to release that poll saying in my headline, this is the opinion of the whole country.
It's skewed and it's false.
And so what the campaign did was simply ask for a correction and a retraction of that poll because it was based on junk science.
It's not a legitimate poll.
And so, but of course, you know, Brian doesn't want all of that to be aired on CNN.
He just wants to attack me.
So, I mean, it was seconds, seconds into my response that he starts interrupting me.
And then the rest of the like 15 minute interview was just this back and forth where he wouldn't even let me get a word in edgewise.
But thankfully, at least a few of the media outlets, you know, could cut away from his banter and at least hear what I was saying.
I'm out of time, but I just want to ask you a real quick response.
Do you think Brian Stelter knows that his cable station, CNN, is just an activist left-wing station?
Do you think he knows how unfair it is?
Just your opinion.
That's a great question.
You know, that's a great question.
And I honestly, I mean, I can't get into the head of Brian and that would be really, I mean, I don't want to.
No, no, no, not great place to be.
Right.
But from what I've seen, these media networks thrive solely on their ratings.
And I don't think he cares.
That's the problem is I don't think he cares.
I think he is all about, wow, I was trending on Twitter yesterday and this is so great.
And he doesn't realize the damage or he doesn't care about the damage that he's inflicting upon journalism, upon the nation, when you as the media are not doing your job, you're not reporting fact and truth so that we can at least come together and have a reasoned conversation.
That's what's undermining America.
And that's why the president calls out fake news, because we all at least should be able to agree on fact and then we can debate the policy around that fact.
But I just don't think he cares.
I have to say, I think it's the biggest problem in the country.
Jenna, it's always great to see you.
We will talk again soon.
Andrew Klavan Show Finale00:01:38
Thank you very much.
And I'll talk to you soon.
Thanks.
Sounds good, Jerry.
All right.
We got to stop there, but we will be back again tomorrow.
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