Andrew Clavin exposes the New York Times’ 1619 Project as leftist propaganda, dismissing its claims about slavery’s central role in the American Revolution while accusing it of rewriting history to enforce ideological conformity. He ties media bias to China’s influence, citing intelligence reports on Wuhan lab leaks and U.S. universities hosting Confucius Institutes—state-funded hubs enabling espionage and intellectual theft. Campus Reform’s Cabot Phillips reveals cases like Harvard professor Charles Lieber’s ties to China’s Thousand Talents Plan, warning of systemic complicity in national security risks. Clavin concludes by framing mainstream media as an "empire of lies," urging resistance against institutional collusion with globalist agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
The New York Times, a former newspaper, has issued new guidelines for dealing with coronavirus.
The Times says the purpose of the guidelines is, quote, to reframe America's attitude by mingling abject terror with the promise that absolute subservience will create an illusion of safety until you still get sick and die, but at least you'll die poor and enslaved, which will make it much easier to kiss this crappy life goodbye, unquote.
According to the Times guidelines, the virus is very dangerous if you are a person over 65, or who will one day be over 65, or who once saw someone who was 65, or who loves his grandma because she used to bake those great chocolate chip cookies and yet will cause her to die a lingering death if you should think bad thoughts about the government or call her on the phone.
Symptoms of the coronavirus include coughing up your lungs while lying curled up on the kitchen floor groaning in agony or a runny nose or sneezing or thinking too much about sneezing or having once sneezed or disobeying lockdown orders or thinking about disobeying lockdown orders or shutting your windows so that the police drone can't watch you go to the bathroom when you're thinking about disobeying lockdown orders or sneezing preparatory to coughing up your lungs in agony and then killing your grandmother.
The Times says cities and states should be able to begin opening up their economies after people stop getting sick of the virus or dying of the virus or getting sick of other causes or dying in any way, shape or form or taking risks or having hopes or believing they can be free without killing their grandmothers or otherwise damaging themselves or others.
At that point citizens will be allowed to curl up in a ball and suck their thumbs or take a walk around the living room.
The Times says these guidelines will be relaxed once a cure is found or Donald Trump leaves office.
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Well, yesterday, the New York Times won the Pulitzer Prize for Falsehood.
The Pulitzer Committee gave the Times an award for their 1619 project, a piece of leftist propaganda meant by the Times-owned ambition to, quote, reframe our country's history.
We're going to be talking a little bit more about this later on.
The project, which will be taught in some schools, does this by a process which sometimes goes by the technical name of lying.
In this case, they claim that the American Revolution was an attempt to protect the institution of slavery from British abolition.
This is literally not true, by which I mean it's not what actually happened.
Not only do those historians who know the period best agree that this is not a true story, and the Times never consulted any of them, but even a cursory glance at the writings of the founders will tell you that this was not their reasoning or intent.
So it's a lie.
It's a lie propagated by a former newspaper, and now it's been rewarded with what is often considered the highest prize in journalism, which has besmirched itself.
This comes at a time when public schools are teaching young children completely unproven theories about gender in the hopes of rewriting the basic facts of human life.
It comes when businesses in fear of being sued are firing people for making perfectly reasonable and probably true statements about the differences between men and women, and when some scientists and academics are under heavy pressure to abandon any research into sensitive issues concerning race or gender.
Leftist culture makers, in keeping with the history of leftism since Marx, are seeking essentially to put forward the virtue of untruth with this misguided idea that comfortable lies can become the truth if only those who speak the truth can be shamed or forced into silence.
This, of course, is the situation depicted in George Orwell's 1984, a novel based on the Soviet Union.
It is the whole project of the Marxist takeover of our institutions in the U.S., a takeover that was itself in part an attempt to rewrite the failure of the Soviet Union and to erase the fact that the dream of state ownership and perfect equality always turns out to hide a reality of oppression, poverty, and death.
A nation cannot continue free in a state of enforced delusion.
Freedom requires truth-telling, and truth-telling requires everyday courage, exactly what the New York Times and other leftist organizations are now designed to discourage.
The Times and its leftist cronies are little factories for manufacturing fear and self-doubt and a quivering sense that it's best to keep your mouth shut lest you say something that reveals you to be beyond the leftist pale and thus cost you your Twitter platform or your reputation or your job.
When I say fighting back requires everyday courage, I mean this.
If we care about our country and we care about our country's freedom, we can't just talk about defeating the left-wing empire of lies.
We have to actually defeat it every single day because it's an operation every single day.
We have to speak the truth without hatred, but without fear, and normalize speaking truth, even when it's uncomfortable and costs us.
If you want to know a project whose purpose is slavery, it's the 1619 project, not America.
For the Times to produce the project was just despicable, but to give them a prize for it is grotesque.
To have these major institutions openly dedicated to the virtue of dishonesty is a true danger to freedom.
If they make us afraid, we win.
If we live in silence, they win.
We won't let that happen.
All right, we're going to talk more about the 1619 project.
It really needs to be discussed.
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White guilt about black people is good for elite people.
It's good for elite whites who like being blamed so they can go about their business without feeling guilt, thinking they've taken care of this issue and they can go about doing what they do, which is doing well in the world.
And it's good for black elites who can use it on white elites to get the rewards that you get from white elites, like the Pulitzer Prize.
You see this with Tanahese Coates.
He won every possible prize in the world.
The engineer of this 1619 project is a woman named Nicole Hannah Jones.
If you go out back over her resume, every award in the world, white people give awards to black people who peddle white guilt because it's good for white elites and it's good for black elites.
The people that it's bad for is all the people who are not elites, especially black people.
It is not good for black people.
And this is the thing.
You know, a long time ago, I had an argument.
I'll go through this very quickly and we'll get back to this.
I had an argument with one of the most prominent black authors in the Western world and he pulled this white guilt on me and I went after him.
We were having lunch together and I just started really giving it to him and saying, this is garbage.
You know it's garbage.
You do better than anybody else in the world.
You're doing fine.
You're just using it because people reward you for it.
White people reward you for it.
The guy actually thanked me for being honest with him.
I don't think he agreed with me.
He didn't agree with me, but he said, at least you came out and said what I think a lot of these people are thinking.
It's a scam and it hurts black people.
It hurts black people who aren't elites.
Very few number, I've seen college presidents do this, pull this black guilt stuff.
I've seen all kinds of black elites do it.
It works for them because they're working with white elites and it satisfies their sense of guilt.
It does not work for the ordinary rank and file black American.
And that's why they get prizes for it.
I mean, this is why they get prizes for it.
So let's take a look at this 1619 project.
It really is worth looking at.
The idea of this, it started out, it started out by claiming that the purpose of the American Revolution was to protect the institution of slavery from those wonderful British who had decided slavery was bad.
And this is just not true.
Very soon after they came out with it, they published this weasel, because all the historians went like, no, that's not the case.
They published this weasly correction, very small print, very small print.
You had to hit a link to get to it.
But it said, today we are making a clarification to a passage in an essay from the 1619 project that has sparked a great deal of online debate.
The passage in question states that one primary reason the colonists fought the American Revolution was to protect the institution of slavery.
This assertion has elicited criticism from some historians and support from others.
I'm not aware of any real historian, an expert in this period, who gave them support.
But I suppose there are historians who will say anything, so I guess they got some.
We stand behind the basic point, which is that, now listen to the weasel, these guys are weasels, which is that among the various motivations that drove the Patriots toward independence was a concern that the British would seek or were already seeking to disrupt in various ways the entrenched systems of American slavery.
What the British said was, if you fight for us, we'll set you free.
If slaves revolt and they fight on the British side, we'll set you free.
And that did worry a couple of planters.
I mean, it worried some planters that their slaves would revolt.
They also, the British had had a ruling that said that in Britain, slavery was not in keeping with British law in Britain, but they didn't give away their slaves overseas.
And it was really, as we'll discuss, it was really the revolutionaries, the American revolutionaries, who made slavery untenable throughout the world.
The weasel words continue in this thing.
One of the writers is a guy named Jake Silverstein.
And here's what he writes.
The goal, I mean, it's just, it really is amazing when you actually look at it.
And the idea, the fact that they're taking this on in high schools and teaching it is indicative of the fact that the white elites who teach in schools, okay, the educated white people who teach in schools, it's good for them.
It makes them feel good.
And it's good for the black people who are moving in these same elite circles because they can use it on the white people, but it's not good for ordinary people.
Jake Silverstein writes, the goal of the 1619 project is to reframe American history by considering what it would mean to regard 1619 as our nation's birth year.
Let me reread that because I just want you to hear the weaselness of Jake Silverstein's prose.
I mean, if I wrote prose like this, my wife would hit me over the head.
I mean, like, it's just so weaseling.
The goal of the 1619 project is to reframe American history by considering what it would mean to regard 1619 as our nation's birth year.
Now, what if when you consider it, you think like, eh, that's not true?
Then do you not reframe American history?
And how does it reframe American history to considering, how about if I reframe American history by considering whether aliens came and actually were the founding fathers?
I mean, I could, you know, what does it even mean?
It actually means nothing.
It says doing so requires us to place the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black America at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are as a country.
And this is the other premise of this, that somehow we just don't talk enough about race.
Remember Eric Holder saying this, we just don't have the conversation about race.
I mean, to me, it would help everybody if we would just shut up about race for a minute.
But in fact, what the left does and what it always does is it adopts the mode of the oppressor.
The left always starts out by saying racism is wrong and then always says, no, no, our racism is right.
Our racism is right.
Believe all women, but don't believe women when they accuse us.
They always adopt the mode of the oppressor because leftism is oppressive.
And leftism is oppressive because it does not conform to human nature.
That's why it has to be oppressive because you have to stop people from being people in order to have leftism.
So here's Nicole Hannah-Jones, the architect of this 1619 propaganda.
This is cut six, basically selling this idea.
We don't know about 1619 the same way that we don't learn very much about slavery.
It is shameful.
No one wants to talk about their sins or the worst moments.
And slavery gives contradiction to our entire creation story of the United States.
And so we've tried to push it aside.
We've tried to make it marginal.
And in doing that, we've marginalized the 40 million descendants of the enslaved as well.
So what we're trying to do with this project is force us to confront the truth.
And then maybe we can actually start to move past slavery and become the country that was written in our ideals in the Constitution and the Declaration.
Now, the reason I say this is good for elites is you only have to listen to her saying, oh, we don't talk about slavery in this country.
Is that in keeping with the life of anybody?
Is it in keeping with the life of anybody that we don't talk about race and the descendants of slaves and slavery in this country?
Is that in keeping with anybody's life, with anybody's education in this day and age?
Of course it's not.
So why can she say it without the person across from her, and I forget which of the networks that was on, but why can she say it without the interviewer going, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, we don't talk about slavery.
We don't talk about black people.
What are you talking about?
You know, you're a big-time person.
You win every prize.
Here you are on TV, on the networks, on TV.
How can you say that?
The reason is it's a system among those people that you're watching, these elites, for passing this mythology back and forth, which allows Nicole Hannah Jones to rise up in that system and win all the awards.
And it allows the white people who are already in that system to feel that they've done the job and can go about making all the money they want without feeling guilty, right?
That's the system.
That's the system, and that's why it works.
That's why when Tanahisi Coates says we have to have reparations for slavery, which you only have to use your imagination for one minute to see that that's not going to help anybody.
It's not going to do a damn thing for anybody.
In fact, it would probably be really damaging for people.
The minute he says that, he wins every prize, the genius award, this award, that award.
Because it is one form of elites giving prizes to another form of elites for keeping this system in place that keeps them both above the rest of us.
And the thing about it is, is I have no problem with there being elites.
I have problems with them lying in such a way that it hurts people.
It hurts black people who are not doing as well in this country because they are treated essentially in a racist way by the left.
I mean, this is the thing.
If you stop treating people, the only way to get rid of racism is to stop.
It's to stop.
I mean, you know, even as we see in this moment, you know, more than 70% of black children are born to unwed mothers.
16% of black households are married couples with children, the lowest of any racial group in the United States.
This Chinese flu is killing black people.
And when the surgeon general came out and said, you know, we know there are a lot of reasons for this.
And he went through every possible reason why it's killing black people.
He said, one of them is, you know, black people drink and smoke more, so you might want to stop doing that and also stop going to parties without masks and things like that.
He was absolutely lambasted.
One of the people who lambasted him was Nicole Hanna-Jones.
The fact is, the fact is, okay, that this country is unique in its attitude toward race.
It is unique.
Never before, maybe a little bit in ancient Rome, maybe somewhat in ancient Rome, never before has a country said anybody can become an American regardless of race, greed, or color, right?
And obviously, slavery, which was only in the southern states, was a betrayal of that principle.
And it's the principle, the principle that had to be destroyed.
But it's the principle that the Americans created.
So it took time for it to work through the system.
We had a civil war because of that.
And, you know, this is the other thing that Nicole Hannah-Jones puts forward, this idea that somehow it was blacks who liberated themselves.
And this is like a self-esteem move, I guess.
It's cut five.
When you think about the fact that when Thomas Jefferson is writing the Declaration and laying out these words for liberation, that, you know, all men are created equal and born with inalienable rights.
And while he's writing that, he owns 130 human beings who are in absolute bondage.
And in fact, his brother-in-law is sitting there with him enslaved to help keep him comfortable.
What that means is those ideals were not true when they were written.
But black Americans took those ideas literally.
And black Americans have really fought.
You can look at what happens after Reconstruction.
You can look at the abolitionist movement.
You can look at the civil rights movement.
Black people have fought to make those ideals real.
You know, I've heard this notion.
I guess this goes around that I heard this from Dave Chappelle, the comedian, who said the blacks freed themselves.
Now, the problem with this, aside from being untrue, aside from it being untrue, is that it actually discounts the true black contribution to this country, which is that in fighting for their freedom, they did unite with white people fighting for their freedom and prove the fact that it's principle and ideas that unite us.
It's principles and ideas that free us.
It's not color.
And, you know, of course, in fact, of course, black people were part of the fight for freedom.
There were black people who were part of the fight for the freedom.
But a lot of those people lying dead in the battlefields of the Civil War were white.
And a lot of the people, and really it was the northern states that started the slavery movement throughout the world.
It was the northern states that were the key to the slavery movement throughout the world.
And of course, it was white people in those states.
If it hadn't been, it never would have happened.
And the thing is, it's the principle.
It's the principle that unites us.
It's the principle that's more important than race.
And they are doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done to make that the way that Americans think.
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So, you know, this thing about the empire of lies is really true.
And like all empires, it is imperial.
It actually goes after truth wherever it hears it.
And another place where this is in play is this China thing.
I mean, we just see this in the press, and it really raises incredibly interesting questions, interesting to me, about all the ways we feel about things.
You know, when you saw Nicole Hannah-Jones making those statements, those completely untrue statements on a network TV show and no one pushing back about it, you ask yourself, well, why?
Why is that happening?
Why is it happening now with China as well?
You know, the Washington Examiner says, and this has been coming out of the administration, a majority of the U.S. intelligence community, 17 spy agencies, believe the coronavirus likely originated with an accidental lab escape from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
A senior intelligence official told the Washington Examiner that was not the senior intelligence official.
And this has been coming out.
Remember when the 17 spy agencies all agreed that Russia had interfered in our elections, which everybody knew, it always interferes in our elections.
And that was quoted again and again and again as some kind of proof against Donald Trump.
Well, now, you know, we're getting, we're being told, I think it's three-fourths, two-thirds, I can't remember.
It's a large majority of the 17 spy agencies believe that the Chinese virus came out of a lab in Wuhan.
That doesn't mean it was manufactured, but it means it escaped as they were experimenting over it.
And Tom Cotton, Senator Tom Cotton, has been saying this repeatedly.
Let's play his quote.
All of the evidence points at one of those two labs in Wuhan where they research bat-based coronaviruses.
We know that Chinese lied about it originating in the food market from at least as far back as January, where they apparently didn't even sell bats of any kind, much less the species of bat from which we believe this virus migrated from or into humans.
But all of the evidence, although it's circumstantial, to be sure, points at those labs.
If China wants to dispel any kind of suspicion about those labs, which is present all over the world, then they should open up their labs and open up Wuhan and tell us exactly what happened there and let us review all the safety protocols in place.
You know, if this is the case, and it really does seem to be the case, I mean, I don't think, you know, I don't think Tom Cotton is lying.
He's always been a really straight shooter.
He's been an incredible straight shooter.
In fact, his record is really good on this.
So how do you explain this report from Nora O'Donnell at CBS as she reports on this?
Listen carefully to the stuff they say.
President Trump and his Secretary of State say there's evidence a Wuhan China research lab is the source of the outbreak.
That's a conclusion at odds with U.S. intelligence.
CBS's Ben Tracy is at the White House for us tonight, Ben.
Nora, despite the U.S. now having more than twice as many deaths as any other country, President Trump continues to tout his administration's response to the pandemic.
He also continues to blame China for the virus and the rising death toll.
President Trump is threatening China with more tariffs.
And Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is now backing the president's claim that the virus originated in a Chinese lab.
So that seems fair, right?
Despite the fact that we have twice as many deaths in America, which, first of all, we have no idea what the other huge countries like China and Russia, what their numbers are.
We know so little about the numbers, all in all.
But again, you know, this is a federalist country.
If you cut New York State off from this country, we'd have very few deaths.
So it's ridiculous, and it's not a question of per capita.
You know, the rate is high here because of New York.
But again, you know, a lot of our states are bigger than a lot of countries.
And so it's really just this kind of, what is the point, I guess, is what I'm asking.
Why are they doing that?
Why do they rush to say it's out of keeping with intelligence when in fact a lot of intelligence sources are saying it was the Chinese who let this loose?
The Chinese have always lied.
The Chinese, as we have talked about, are responsible for incredible atrocities, putting Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps.
There's nothing in America, there really is nothing in America today that compares to the kind of disastrous cruelty that the Chinese government has exercised over the last 50 years, including the absolute slaughter of people of forced abortions, the starvations because of Mao.
I mean, it's just been a country of one atrocity after another.
And, you know, there's nothing like this in America.
And what is this kind of will among elites?
And that's who we're talking about.
We're talking about people who do very well by this country, who dreamed, I think, of doing better in a globalist world run by global organizations like the UN, and are now frustrated that Donald Trump seems to be standing in the way of that and are now like just unleashing on our country.
You know, Politico sent out a tweet yesterday.
Trump is getting roasted on Chinese Twitter for his virus response, highlighting a broad verdict there.
America disastrously faltered while China outperformed.
So in other words, Chinese Twitter, which is an organ of the state, of the communist government, is being tweeted by Politico as giving a broad swath of opinion from the Chinese that America disastrously faltered while China outperformed.
So the Chinese government is saying we faltered while they outperformed, and Politico is tweeting it as the will of the Chinese people.
Let me just go to the article.
When you click on the political article, it says, Chinese social media is a highly imperfect lens into widespread public sentiment, full of hot tempers, trolls, and the ever-present specter of censorship, particularly given the ruling Communist Party's power and proclivity to punish dissenting voices.
Talk about weasel words.
Twitter is an instrument of the state, and if there are independent people on Twitter, they know that they've got to say what the state wants, or bingo, you're gone, and your organs are pumping away in somebody else's body.
You know, I mean, so what are they talking about and why?
You know, Andy Lack got fired, basically.
He got thrown out of NBC.
He was the guy, one of the guys heading NBC and one of the guys who was, according to Ronan Farrow, responsible for killing the Harvey Weinstein story, one of the guys responsible for covering up for Matt Lauer's depredations there.
His boss, Oppenheim, I think his name is, yeah, his name is, he's still there.
So this is just part of a reorganization they're doing.
But why is it this guy gets to walk away like this without any shame, without anything?
And I'm sure he got a good package too.
You know, yesterday, Tucker Carlson had this guy, Rich McHugh, who is a former NBC producer on, and he says that Andy Lack's leaving has to do with an investigation by the New York Attorney General into charges of sexual harassment throughout NBC.
Here's McU.
One has to assume that they caught wind of this investigation because it's been going on for months and they've spoken to dozens of employees.
So I believe that that has a role to play in it.
And, you know, there's new management at the top, and so they've decided, you know, we're going to try and get away from this black guy who presided over the Harvey Weinstein story and the Lower disgrace and all of it.
So this is a good first step, I should say.
Yes.
But I should point out that I've spoken to a number of women, you know, victims who've worked at NBC, and they say, you know, the fact that this Andy Lack gets to walk out of the building, you know, on his own accord is a disgrace.
Their careers have been ruined.
I personally left NBC largely because of things that he and other executives did with our reporting on the Weinstein story.
So the fact that he can just kind of walk away is upsetting.
And remember, too, these are the guys who held on to the tape of Donald Trump saying kind of grotesque things about what women will let you do if you're a celebrity.
They held on to it until they thought it could hurt Trump in the election and then released it.
So they're real champions of women when it serves their political point of view.
And, you know, yesterday I was talking about reporters and talking about the fact that a lot of these people aren't evil people.
Like I don't believe Martha Raditz is an evil person.
I don't believe Jonathan Carl is an evil person.
And I've known people in the business and all this, and I know that they do not know, a lot of them, what they're doing.
They know not what they do.
And somebody attacked me on Twitter saying, you're wrong.
You know, if people do it wrong, that they're bad people.
Well, they may be bad at being people, but the point I was trying to make is that it's really important to understand what other people are doing, and you don't understand what other people are doing if you turn them into cartoon villains.
I'm not letting anybody off the hook.
Do not get me wrong.
I am not letting anybody off the hook.
If you are attacking, if you're at Politico and you are putting forward Chinese Twitter as if it said something about what the Chinese people think, you're betraying the Chinese people.
And this is the thing.
You know, when you do these things like the 1619 project that actually is going to make life worse for ordinary black people by making them think that they're still under the heel or that some kind of erasure of the past will help them or that some kind of reparations from the past will help them instead of what will really help them, which is the education they need to get and are not being allowed to get because of leftist teachers unions.
When you do that to people, you're doing something wrong, but I do not believe they understand the wrong thing they're doing.
We have got a polluted communication system.
It's been polluted by leftism and it affects even the people in it.
And I'm trying to get to the point that it is the principle and the ideas that are destroying them, not some kind of cartoon villainy.
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China's Influence on Campuses00:11:40
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We're going to talk to Cabot Phillips.
He is the editor-in-chief for Campus Reform, where he works to expose the left-wing bias at America's college campuses.
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Yep.
Good to be on.
Oh, there you are.
How you doing?
I'm doing very well.
Happy to be here.
Yeah, you know, I want to talk to you about this thing.
I've been noticing China's effects, especially in Harvard.
But before we get to Harvard, let's talk about it in general.
What is the Confucius Institute?
Let's start there.
Yeah, so China has essentially viewed American colleges and universities as soft targets for years.
We know this.
Their propaganda ministry has openly said, yes, we're trying to get a foothold on American college campuses.
So they open these Confucius Institutes, which sound nice.
They sound very educational and they're spreading history and culture.
So what they do is they go to American universities.
They say, we're going to build a $40 million brand new shiny building on your campus.
We'll teach Chinese classes and culture and language.
We'll spread it on campus and it'll come at very little cost to you.
So a lot of the universities say, well, great, bring it over here.
We'll take it.
Not understanding the danger of having a Chinese Communist Party funded building on their campus.
And then once that building gets there on campus, they start their propaganda efforts.
They start to try to influence the education on campus.
Looking at history courses, they start to try and wield influence into the rhetoric that's going on in the classes, the readings that are done.
They hold Chinese cultural events where they're educating students about the history and the modern day culture in China, when in reality, they're actually spreading revisionist history and they're spreading a false idea of what China is about.
And so these are propaganda centers on campus.
They're very clear.
The Department of Defense, the Pentagon have both come out, as well as other intelligence agencies in the United States, and they've said that's exactly what China is doing.
China has admitted it.
And yet there are almost 100 of these Confucius Institutes operating on campuses around the country with complete access to whatever they want on campus.
And also there's the element where they're using these as hubs for their intellectual property theft efforts, where they're using these centers to get close to a lot of the data on universities, a lot of sensitive research.
They're now using these centers to hack into those things, smuggle them out.
And then so that's the one element of their efforts on campus.
And the second element is what they're using with professors.
They're partnering with American professors.
There was a recent professor at Harvard that was arrested for helping smuggle sensitive information to the Chinese government.
There have been other cases at Duke, in Illinois, Northwestern, other colleges around the country, where the Chinese government is either bribing professors to smuggle them research or they are threatening Chinese international students.
So students will go to America to study abroad and the Chinese government will say, if you don't bring us back sensitive information, they'll make threats to their family, things like that.
And so in that way, they're using some of the international students that come over to smuggle sensitive data out.
One student, I believe, out in California, was caught smuggling missile information from the U.S. military that he had gotten from his university back to the Chinese, was caught doing so.
So this is kind of the thing that a lot of people don't want to talk about, but China does have a growing influence on American college campuses.
Thankfully, people are starting to wake up to it now that we've seen the devastation that has happened because of the coronavirus and their attempts to cover it up.
And I think hopefully we can start to turn the corner and kick these Confucius Institutes off our campus and protect our education system from the Chinese regime.
Let me unpack this for just a minute.
If a Confucius Institute comes to you on your campus, what is the university getting out of this?
Is it just a kind of innocent, oh, we're going to get this wonderful cross-cultural pollinization or is it financial as well?
There are financial ties to it where the Chinese government will, you know, sometimes using their subsidiary, sometimes saying it's coming from a harmless grant or a private business in China, which we all know anything coming from China is essentially under the wing of the Communist Party, which they try to hide that.
But there are monetary benefits to it for the university.
The university will then advertise it and say, look, we have this rich cultural exchange program with China.
It's these Confucius Institute.
It sounds very philosophical and deep.
And that's exactly what they're doing, where they are using that.
And it is ironic now for the people for the last four years on the political left, and especially in academia, who have gone on endlessly about the danger of foreign interference in our election process and how important it is for us to maintain the integrity of our election process, protecting it from foreign interference, even though there's been almost no evidence that actually taking place.
They now turn a blind eye when there's legitimate foreign interference going on on our college campuses, legitimate foreign interference.
It's indoctrination is what it is going on there.
And I've actually seen this firsthand.
I went to the University of Maryland where they have a Confucius Institute operating, and I talked to students about their opinion of the Chinese government.
And I said, who do you trust more, the Chinese government or President Trump and his administration?
Student after student.
Well, the Chinese government, of course.
And that's not to say that every one of those students had their mind changed by these Confucius Institutes, but I do think it points out the danger in allowing them to deceive people into who they are, what they're about, and what their regime really does.
Well, this is the other question.
Aside from any financial benefit a university gets, we know that universities are hotbeds of leftism.
I mean, they've gone out of their way basically to bar anybody who doesn't toe the leftist line from working in a lot of universities.
Is there sympathy between the left in this country and the Chinese philosophically?
I mean, it's a little hard to wrap your head around because the Chinese have committed such atrocities, their treatment of the Uyghur Muslims, of course, and their treatment of dissidents, the way dissidents disappear.
And yet we just saw a piece in The Atlantic written by a Harvard law professor, co-written by a Harvard law professor, where he said their idea of surveilling people and censoring the internet is the right idea, and we should imitate it here through Facebook and Twitter and all this.
So do they actually sympathize?
Are they happy to have these people?
When you confront them, are they happy, in fact, to have these people on campus?
Well, I think the big part of it is they're ignorant.
So whenever you bring this up to people and whenever you say, hey, are you concerned about this?
Many times the university will respond and be ignorant.
They'll say, no, there's no problem with these centers.
This is not a danger.
And a lot of the students, I've been on over 100 college campuses.
I've interviewed thousands of students about topics like this and similar ones.
And a lot of times they just have no idea.
They think, oh, well, all culture is good.
No one culture is worse than any other culture.
It's this cultural relativism thing that has brainwashed them.
And so they think, well, it can't be that bad.
And so when you start to actually talk to them about the atrocities of the government, you say, hey, we're for tolerance, right?
We're for open-mindedness and diversity, right?
Those are all good things.
Then why are we okay with the Chinese government that has thrown people in concentration camps for their religion or has censored people by the billion with a B?
What's wrong with that?
That doesn't really fall in line with diversity and inclusion, does it?
And a lot of times they don't really see that because they're not aware of what's going on.
And I think one reason this has been able to go on for so long is because people are afraid to call out the Chinese government because they're afraid of being called racist.
Because it's impossible for many people to separate criticizing the Chinese government from criticizing Chinese people.
And a lot of these universities say, we just, we don't want to cause any problems.
And a lot of students say, I don't want to be labeled a racist or a bigot if I point out or question the presence of these centers on my campus or if I question what I'm hearing about China because I don't want to be viewed as intolerant for coming out against Chinese people.
And we got to be able to criticize bad ideas, criticize dangerous regimes without criticizing an entire people group, which of course that's not happening.
So in a way, this political correctness has played a role in allowing this to go on for so long.
And thankfully, there has been some movement lately.
Congress recently, this week, actually announced that they were going to be investigating China's ties to our college campuses.
We've seen people like Senator Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley leading the way on making sure that these Confucius Institutes are being shut down.
Thankfully, about two dozen of them have been shut down in the last year or two.
There are still a little under 100 still operating.
And that's not even to account for all the money universities are getting.
But there is an investigation going on into schools that are underreporting.
There are schools that have received tens of millions of dollars from the Chinese government and other Chinese entities that have underreported it.
They've either tried to hide it and it's been exposed and now they say, well, this isn't what it looks like.
And so those universities are being investigated now.
But in my point of view, what's to investigate?
We already know what's going on.
The DOD, Pentagon have been very clear.
Our intelligence communities have been clear about Chinese efforts to do so.
China has admitted it.
It's time for action.
It's not time for just more nice things of, well, I'll look into it.
It's time for action from our government and from campuses themselves.
You know, you mentioned this thing in Harvard.
This guy, Charles Lieber, was arrested.
Now, he was arrested.
It was kind of like, it reminded me a little bit of Al Capone being busted for tax evasion.
He was arrested for not reporting money he had gotten from China when he had to report it under the terms of his $15 million worth of grants, of federal grants.
So he violated the terms of his federal grants by not reporting the money he was getting from China.
But he was part of this thing called the Thousand Talents program, which couldn't sound any more Maoist if they tried.
I mean, it just sounds like such a mouse.
But this thing has been essentially identified by our intelligence agencies as an espionage operation.
How deep is that and deeply is that entrenched in the universities?
Well, there have already been numerous cases we have up on our site at Campus Reform detailing what has been done when it comes to espionage efforts and using professors and using research and things of that nature.
And for a lot of these professors, they'll say, well, you know, I'm just doing this for the good of science.
I'm contributing my research.
Many times they're actually taking federal research dollars from American taxpayers, conducting research, and then in some cases, selling it to the highest bidder, which is often the Chinese government.
So they're taking advantage of American taxpayers to make money and sell it to a foreign adversary.
And so I think this is going to be something that in the future, people look back on and say, how in the world did people turn a blind eye when this was going on?
And that's not even counting the amount of students that have been caught trying to smuggle information out to the government.
And so I do think it's time for the government.
I'm very hesitant to say that the federal government needs to sweep in and do anything.
I'm very hesitant on that.
But when it comes to national security, when it comes to the compromising of our education system, I do think there's a role for the federal government to say, hey, you're not going to be taking money from the Chinese government.
You're not going to be selling sensitive information to the government.
And we are going to keep more of an eye on what kind of funding is coming from the Chinese government onto our campuses and into our students' lives.
You know, this guy in Harvard was actually working for one of the Wuhan labs.
And the fact that the press isn't covering it tells us a lot about the press as well.
Cabot Phillips, he's the editor-in-chief for Campus Reform.
If you've never gone on their site, you should.
It is really terrific.
Cabot, thanks very much.
I hope you come back and talk again.
Would love that.
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