Andrew Clavin and Gabriel Wrench argue Trump’s media vilification ignores real achievements—like ISIS’s defeat and economic growth—while exposing leftist race theory as morally bankrupt by rejecting humanity’s divine image. They contrast Christian worldviews with secular relativism, linking cultural decline to art’s irrelevance and campus censorship in No Safe Spaces, where dissent is labeled "fascist." Clavin mocks Vindman’s impeachment testimony as a media spectacle, while Wrench frames America’s founding as Christian, warning faith’s absence erodes morality. The episode ties Trump’s success to truth prevailing over partisan narratives. [Automatically generated summary]
It was a wonderful Veterans Day at colleges around the country.
Students gathered around the Veterans Day tree singing old Veterans Day carols like, I hope I don't get killed defending the rights of people who don't even appreciate those rights.
Fa la la la la.
College students were taught special Veterans Day lessons.
For instance, some young people were startled to learn there were other ways to be a hero than screaming at someone on Twitter.
Although some of those other ways sounded kind of dangerous, so maybe it's best to keep your heroism confined to social media for now.
After all, what's the point of getting wounded over things like the First Amendment when free speech just lets you say upsetting stuff?
And why on earth would you risk getting killed over freedom of religion when God is so mean to gay people?
And of course, getting shot over the right to bear arms is crazy since once guns are banned, no one will have to get shot at all.
College students were also surprised to learn about such Veterans Day subjects as World War II, where race-obsessed, anti-Jewish, big government supporters who called themselves National Socialists somehow turned out to be the bad guys.
How weird is that?
Today, anyone who isn't a race-obsessed, anti-Jewish, big government, national socialist is worse than Hitler.
But then World War II was in the old days when Hitler wasn't Donald Trump, but instead was Hitler.
And you couldn't even call him Hitler on TV because he'd kill you, because he was Hitler instead of Donald Trump.
Which is just plain confusing.
Although sometimes it's true soldiers do bad things like shooting austere religious scholars, mostly college students enjoyed Veterans Day because they got a holiday from gender studies class and can stay at their dorm rooms watching porn instead and wishing they could ask someone on a date without getting expelled.
And isn't that the American life our veterans fought so hard to preserve?
Trigger warning.
I'm Andrew Clavin and this is the Andrew Clavin Show.
I'm the hunky-dunky.
Life is tickety-boo.
Birds are winging, also singing, hunky-dunky-dicky.
Ship-shaped dipsy-topsy, the world is a bitty zing.
It's a wonderful day.
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So before we talk about stupid stuff like Democrats, let's have part two of our four-part series on leftist ideas that don't make any sense and so reduce you to believing in stupid stuff like Democrats.
Today, let's look at left-wing ideas about race.
My own ideas about race are very simple, but they have the advantage of being coherent.
I believe man was made in the image of God, and that hating a man for the way he is made is a sin against God.
And if you sin against God, you go to hell, so don't do that.
Now, some people ask me things.
They say like, what about the fact that European culture produced all this great stuff and African culture didn't produce great stuff except in the movie Black Panther?
Or what about the fact that Asians are smarter than everyone and make those great egg rolls?
Or what about some genetic thing you read about online and now think you understand?
And my answer is, life is complicated, but if you treat all races equally and take each person as he comes, it will all work out because man is made in the image of God.
But of course, I'm just a barefoot teller of tales and I'm not a clever left-wing college race theorist.
Leftist race theorists believe that white people are bad because they don't treat people equally, which is a moral concept invented by white people who are bad.
They believe that white people are bad because they don't want to let brown people into the country and once there are more brown people in the country than white people, the brown people will be able to destroy the country made by the evil white people who let them in because they believed all people were created equal.
Leftist race theorists believe that racism is bad and therefore they hate whites because whites are racists.
Leftists are not racist for hating whites because of theories about power invented by Michelle Foucault, a sadomasochist who stuck a safety pin through his nipple for kicks.
So you want to make sure to get all your good theories from him.
Now, leftist race theory like this does have the benefit of being hilarious, but it's also kind of stupid because once you declare that any race is in any way morally superior or inferior to any other, there is nothing to stop that race from declaring itself morally superior to whatever race your ass happens to be.
So now you have leftists who say browns are better than whites, and you have alt-rightists who say whites are better than browns, and their logic is exactly the same and justifies. the other's point of view.
Thus, they are all alike and that they're all incredibly ugly-minded and unpleasant and also are all going to hell because man was made in the image of God.
Leftists have now thought themselves into a state of perpetual racism, making it impossible to distinguish between the logic of a Ku Klux Klan pamphlet and the logic of the op-ed page of the New York Times.
This happened because leftists are essentially materialist and do not believe that man is made in the image of God because they do not believe in God.
And if man is not made in the image of God, there is absolutely no reason to love him or accord him rights or treat him equally and fairly.
There is no reason, zero, none.
Without that simple premise, the Imago Day, you will inevitably get lost in hatred and ultimately find yourself in hell or on a liberal college campus.
But I repeat myself.
I'm going to talk a little bit more about making sense.
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And at the end, they thanked all the people who made the thing possible.
So help me.
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It thanks Andrew Clavin, K-L-A-V-E-N.
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You know, I'm talking about making sense this week.
And making sense is a big, big deal.
I mean, it really is important.
And we don't talk about it enough.
We don't talk enough about the fact that life makes sense.
You know, I like to tell this story when I was working more in Hollywood.
I would go in and pitch stories.
And when you pitch stories, you're usually talking to a story editor or maybe a studio executive.
And then there's usually an assistant.
And the assistant's entire life depends on the boss liking his or her suggestions.
So if you shoot down the assistant's suggestions, they get unhappy.
They start to argue with you and they start to think, well, who's this lousy writer telling me what to think and making me look bad in front of my boss?
Well, I'm in a room, as they say.
This is called being in a room.
That's what they call it.
And I'm pitching a story about time travel.
And, you know, it's about going back and forth in time, whatever.
I can't even remember what the story is.
And the assistant says, well, the thing about a time travel story is it really has to make sense.
And I said, you know, it can't make sense because you can't travel in time and only reality makes sense.
That's what makes it reality.
Well, of course, that didn't go over very well with the assistant, but it's true.
Life makes sense.
And when life doesn't make sense, you have to find out why.
You have to get new information, right?
That's how science works.
This is how we decide, you know, when something doesn't make sense, we think, well, what is it we're not seeing?
How does this work?
And that's how our information expands.
And you also have to know about the past in order to know what things make sense, right?
That's how in a trial, in a jury, you say, well, the guy said this at this point, but he said this here, and that doesn't make sense.
And you want his testimony to make sense, or you know he's lying.
This is the thing.
Life makes sense, and therefore your morality has to make sense.
Your ideas have to make sense.
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They have to stick with the facts.
This is why the facts matter so much.
This is why when AOC says, I don't need to know the facts.
I just need to know morality.
That's ridiculous, okay?
But the thing is, in order to make sense, you also have to know the past.
You have to know the kinds of things that happen and the kinds of things that don't happen.
A lot of what we know and a lot of our wisdom comes from induction, not deduction.
It comes from gathering information and seeing things again and again.
And one of the things that is happening, especially in this presidency, in the Donald Trump presidency, is the press reports on things and then it's wrong and Donald Trump is right and then it just vanishes.
The subject vanishes.
Remember when Donald Trump said, you know, Obama bugged my phones, Obama bugged phones at Trump Tower.
And the press was like, oh, this is a completely unfounded fact check.
A thousand Pinocchios.
And then it turned out, yeah, no, he basically bugged phones that Trump was talking on.
Trump was right.
Subject vanishes, right?
Russian collusion, four years, two years and a half years.
You know, people just, oh, he colluded with the Russian.
He's a spy.
John Brennan is sitting there going, I think he was a Russian asset.
And I know because I am a Russian asset.
So he was a Russian asset.
Untrue, gone.
Bang.
It's just gone.
It just disappears.
And we move on to the next thing.
Think about just a few weeks ago when Trump withdrew our troops from Syria, right?
Remember, the Kurds were going to be massacred.
And the Turks were going to wipe out everybody.
And it was all going to be a terrible, terrible mess.
And Russia was going to take over the world.
And Trump said at the time, let's just play a clip of how they covered this.
I can't remember.
I think this is CNN.
This is their coverage of Syria.
All this unfolding, of course, as chaos and uncertainty grows in Syria.
Turkish troops are building up along the border ahead of a possible attack on Kurdish troops after President Trump pulled U.S. troops from that area.
Ian Panel was there in Turkey, has the latest force.
Good morning, Ian.
Yeah, good morning, Robin.
That's right.
America's Kurdish allies are now bracing for an imminent attack by Turkey, which is, of course, also a key American ally.
This is our region on the brink of war.
And this comes after President Trump's shock decision to pull American troops out of the border area and therefore opening it up to attack.
So it was all going to be war.
It was all going to be the Kurds.
Our lovely allies, the Kurds, were going to be killed.
And Trump came out and said, you know, listen, the Kurds were doing, were acting on their own behalf, and that was good for us.
Our interests melded, but we're not there to protect the Kurds.
I don't want to go to war with Turkey.
And if Turkey misbehaves, remember he sent that famous don't be a tough guy letter to Erdoyan.
He said, you know, don't be a tough guy.
Don't go in and kill anybody.
He said, if Turkey misbehaves, I'm going to use economic sanctions to bring them back.
Turkey did misbehave.
They went in.
They committed human rights abuses.
They did kill some Kurds when they shouldn't have.
Trump sent the mics, Pompeo and Pence, to Turkey to talk to them.
They stopped.
He used the economic wrench against them.
He said, I'm going to really destroy your economy if you don't do what I tell you to do.
They pulled back.
Everybody got what they wanted.
Look, it's not a perfect world.
It is not a perfect world over there in the Middle East.
It's not a fun place.
Things are going to go wrong.
They're going to continue to go wrong.
But Trump got his troops out of a place where he thought that they were in harm's way and could start, could force us to attack our allies, Turkey.
And remember, we had Mike Duran on from the Hoover Institute who explained the fact that Turkey is an ally.
It doesn't matter whether the guy is a bad guy or not.
We don't have any good guys in the Middle East.
They are our ally, and everything has to be based on fighting Iran.
It's the Iranians who are really trying to destroy us and Israel.
And that's why we have to always have our mind on Iran.
It turned out Trump did the right thing.
He may have done it in a way that he shouldn't have done it.
He may have done it too bluntly.
He may have done it too quickly.
He may have done it without consulting.
But it turned out pretty well.
The story vanishes, right?
The only thing that's going to happen now is they're going to say, oh, well, we did find some human rights abuses when we went in.
We know that's true.
I mean, it is the Middle East.
It's still the Middle East.
But even Lindsey Graham ended up happy, and it just goes away.
All of this is gone from history so that you never can tell.
You never can tell.
You can't accrue wisdom.
You can't start to say, well, wait a minute, you know, this Trump, he does act on his gut a lot.
He does talk, you know, he's very, he bloviates.
He's got a big mouth and all this stuff.
But, you know, a lot of the stuff he's doing is working out.
The only way you can keep track of that is with the economy because the economy is steady state.
But ISIS, gone.
You know, their caliphate, gone.
And that just disappears.
It just vanishes.
It's only when things go wrong they go back.
Let me just play what is essentially a trivial story, but it just shows you so much about the way Trump is covered.
Remember, Trump went to work to the World Series and he got booed.
It was the fifth game, I think.
And that was in Washington, D.C.
And here was the way they covered it.
Meanwhile, overnight, President Trump attended game five of the World Series right here in Washington, and he didn't get the warmest welcome.
Take a look.
Mixed reaction there.
You can hear some in the crowd booing him and even chants of lock him up.
The White House declined to comment overnight.
Now to the World Series where President Trump watched last night's game from a luxury suite at Nationals Park in Washington, where he received what you would call less than a warm welcome from many people in the crowd.
So this went on forever.
The late night comics all made jokes about it.
Every single one of them covered it.
It was a big, big deal.
It's Washington, D.C., right?
Washington, D.C. represents Washington, D.C.
It is a very, very left-wing community because all their jobs depend on the government, right?
So, and they're all in the deep state, so they hate Trump.
So, Trump then goes to the LSU Bama tide game.
And this is the reaction in Alabama.
Let me give this guy a hug right here.
I love this guy right here.
That's really nice.
They loved him.
The students were giving interviews saying the impeachment thing was a sham and all this stuff.
So, Newsweek sports writer Scott McDonald said Trump's attendance at the game in Tuscaloosa draws comparisons to Richard Nixon, who in 1969 attended the game between the top two teams in the nation, Texas and Arkansas.
McDonald predicts impeachment inquiries against Trump by the U.S. House of Representatives may go farther in this process than they did with Nixon because Nixon resigned the presidency.
David Jackson of USA Today wrote about how presidents like Trump and Nixon, among others, use sports for political gain.
So in other words, this was all about Donald Trump manipulating the audience.
The way they cover the press, the way the press covers Trump, is so insanely unfair that it essentially cancels out everything that Trump actually does.
Trump keeps failing in the news, but he keeps succeeding in real life.
The things he does work out over and over again.
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So MRC, right, the Media Research Council, they do that wonderful newsbuster site that I like so much.
They write this: With virtually no chance Senate Republicans will vote to remove President Trump from office, House Democrats' drive for impeachment is more likely aimed at creating a deluge of negative daily headlines, hoping to cripple Trump going into next year's election.
If that is indeed Democrats' goal, then the three broadcast networks are doing everything they can to help achieve this partisan objective.
Overwhelmingly negative, MRC analysts have reviewed all coverage of President Trump and his administration on the ABC, CBS, and NBC evening newscasts since 2017.
Following the beginning of the impeachment inquiry on September 24th, this coverage has been even more hostile than normal.
Out of 684 evaluative comments included in these broadcasts, a whopping 96%, 96% have been negative versus a meager 4% that have been positive.
TV's fascination with Democrats' impeachment push has crowded out nearly all other news about the administration.
During the six weeks since Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi announced the start of the inquiry, the three networks' evening broadcasts turned out 398 minutes of coverage to the Ukraine scandal or more than three-fifths of all administration news.
And here's the thing, right?
So now we know everything is negative and Trump's success has vanished.
This is the important thing.
The past, if Trump is a success, which he so often is, or if the Democrats turned out to be lying, which they so often are, that just disappears.
Remember when Adam Schiff was going to bring the whistleblower in to testify, and then suddenly it turned out that the whistleblower had arranged everything with Schiff before they got started, and Schiff realized, oh, if I bring him in to testify, they can ask questions of him.
Story just disappears.
There he is.
There was the whistleblower.
The story just disappears.
So now impeachment starts tomorrow.
The public hearings start tomorrow, right?
And now this is what they're talking about.
Remember, I called it impeachment the movie because all they're talking about is how can we convince people?
And the press is basically piling on.
The press is working with Adam Schiff.
How can we shoot this movie?
How can we shoot this story so it really affects voters, which by the way, they know now, they're starting to realize, not going to happen.
It's just not going to happen because they haven't got anything.
But here, just to show you, because they do it openly, it's amazing.
Here is Brian Stelter with Anna Cabrera on CNN wondering how they can shoot this movie, how they can tell this story, so you give a rat what Donald Trump did in regards to Ukraine.
How important is this week in terms of getting the American people invested and interested early on?
Well, this is the first internet impeachment, right?
When you were at the Clinton White House, Joe, the internet was still mostly a text media.
Most people weren't really online yet.
There were no smartphones.
So this is the first time we're going to have an impeachment process that is clipped and condensed and distorted and remixed in all of these ways shared on social media.
The reality is most people will not watch live, although many CNN viewers will.
Most people will end up watching clips and then hearing about it later in the day as it's being digested, whatever is said at the hearings.
I think that's really important.
You know, both Democrats and Republicans are going to be trying to control that messaging war.
I also think episode one, so to speak, matters a lot.
And I hate to say that because we're talking about basic democracy at risk here.
But from a television perspective, Democrats have to come out strong in that first episode.
For the same reason that when we're watching something on Netflix or we're listening to a new podcast, we only choose to keep listening if we're interested in episode one.
So I think the Democrats know that, but I'll be interested to see what kind of show they put on on Wednesday morning trying to hook people.
Even Soledad O'Brien, who used to work at CNN, said that was shameful, that Brian Stelter should be ashamed of himself.
But if I may ask you, keep these three things in your head, okay?
Three things in your head.
Overwhelmingly negative coverage.
I mean, so negative, it's absurd, like 94%, what was it, 96%?
Unbelievably negative coverage.
The past disappears when it's pro-Trump, which has almost been, which has been pretty consistent.
It's been pretty consistently pro-Trump.
We're at peace.
We're the economy is doing well.
People have jobs.
So things are actually going pretty well.
So the past vanishes.
That is number two.
And number three, it's a show being organized between Adam Schiff and the press.
They are putting on a show meant to convince you that this is an important thing.
And as I've said again and again, I think Donald Trump is 100% right on this.
It's nonsense.
It is a cover-up.
It is absolute nonsense.
Okay.
So now let's talk about Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vinman, right?
Because now they have selectively released some transcripts, which is supposed to make this look like an open process when, of course, it hasn't been whatsoever.
So remember, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vinman, he was the Ukraine guy from the NSC, from the National Security Council.
He was the guy, the Ukraine expert, and he was the first guy who was on the phone when Donald Trump said the things he did that we have a transcript of, so we know what was on there too.
But this is how they promoted it on CBS and NBC.
Remember now, this is testimony they haven't heard.
They haven't heard it.
It's behind closed doors.
They're only getting Democrat versions of it.
Tonight, bombshell impeachment testimony.
A decorated Army officer testifies he sounded the alarm about the president's conduct.
It's the first testimony from a White House official who directly heard that controversial phone call with Ukraine's leader.
We're going to begin with that damning impeachment testimony today from a key witness, Army Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Winman, the National Security Council's top expert on Ukraine, is the first official to testify about what he directly heard during the controversial phone call that sparked the impeachment inquiry.
Vinman says what he heard concerned him, and he alerted a top White House lawyer.
Vinman joins other diplomats and former administration officials in confirming the details of the whistleblower's complaint.
He says he's not, though, the mysterious whistleblower.
One Democrat is calling today's testimony the nail in the coffin.
Nancy Cordas leads off our coverage tonight on Capitol Hill.
There was dramatic testimony in the House impeachment investigation by a decorated war hero who works on the National Security Council and was among those who heard that phone call between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Hallie Jackson, now with late details on that.
Bombshell testimony tonight for the first time, a first-hand witness to the explosive conversation that ignited the impeachment.
Wow.
Wow.
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Yeah, that was a bombshell, all right?
It was a bombshell.
It was explosive.
It was damning.
It was the nail in the coffin, only not, right?
Because now the transcript comes out.
And remember, they will never go back.
They will never go back.
It just disappears and say, well, wait a minute, there were problems with that.
But luckily, Byron York is reporting on it very closely in the Washington Examiner.
And he points out, first of all, remember that it was a big deal.
You just heard it was a big deal that he was the first person who was actually on the phone call, right?
But Trump released the transcript of the phone call.
So the only way that would matter at all is if the transcript was false, if he got on and said, oh my God, that transcript was completely false.
But in fact, he attested reading off York's reporting.
Vindman attested to the overall accuracy of the rough transcript, contrary to some impeachment supporters who have suggested the White House is hiding an exact transcript that would reveal everything Trump said to the Ukrainian president.
As one of a half dozen White House note takers listening to the call, Vindman testified that he tried unsuccessfully to make a few edits to the rough transcript as it was being prepared.
He wanted the word burisma, the corrupt Ukrainian energy company, to be used instead of just the words the company.
But beyond that, Vindman had no problems with the transcript, and he specifically said he did not believe.
So why is it a big deal that he was on the phone call?
We were all on the phone call.
We all had the transcript.
When Trump's supporters stand behind him at his rallies and say, read the transcript, they're absolutely right.
They're absolutely right.
We saw it.
We saw what he said all the ways he talked and said, if you could possibly do this, it would be great.
And the Ukrainian president said he had no idea they were holding up money, aid, and he didn't feel any pressure whatsoever.
Vindman himself, right, in this bombshell, damning nail-in-the-coffin testimony, right, he himself said he had no legal objections to what Trump said.
He just didn't think it was good foreign policy.
Vindman said several times, again, Byron York and the Washington Examiner said several times that he was not a lawyer and did not know if Trump's words amounted to a crime, but he felt they were wrong.
That was when Republican Congressman John Ratcliffe, a former U.S. attorney, tried to get to the root of Vindman's concerns, what was really bothering him.
And here's the transcript.
This is Ratcliffe saying, I'm trying to find out if you were reporting it because you thought there was something wrong with respect to policy or there was something wrong with respect to law.
And what I understand you to say is that you weren't certain that there was anything improper with respect to the law, but you had concerns about U.S. policy.
Is that a fair characterization?
And in fact, he says, I would characterize it, says Vindman, as I thought it was wrong and I was sharing those views.
I was deeply concerned about the implications for bilateral relations, U.S. national security interests, in that if this was exposed, it would be seen as a partisan play by Ukraine.
So he didn't like the president's foreign policy.
You know what?
Sometimes I don't like the president's foreign policy.
You know, it has nothing to do with anything.
What we're getting is a picture all around.
We're getting a picture of a State Department, an entrenched bureaucracy that doesn't like Monk Mike Pompeo, that doesn't like Donald Trump, that is angry that Trump fired Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovich.
They want revenge.
This is like James Comey, right?
They get angry when you fire them and they want revenge.
That's what we're seeing.
And this is now going to come out in public.
And the Republicans are saying, well, we want to bring on people to talk about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, because how can we know whether Trump was doing the right thing and asking for an investigation if we don't know what Joe Biden and Hunter Biden were doing?
They're not going to allow that.
Adam Schiff's not going to allow that.
We'll see whether they allow any other witnesses.
We'll see whether they allow questioning that exposes the kind of fact that a lot of this is just opinion, a lot of it is third and fourth person, and none of it is first person because we all read the transcript.
And they're saying Rudy Giuliani was behind the scenes doing all this stuff and he was manipulating this.
We know, we know that Trump wanted the Ukrainians to investigate corruption, including the corruption of Joe Biden's son.
We know he wanted to do that.
What's the problem?
What is the problem, especially when you have a guy like Joe Biden who was part of an administration that seems to have been spying on Donald Trump, except we've forgotten all about that because the past disappears when Trump is right.
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So we're going to talk to Gabriel Wrench today, who's a pal of mine and also the host of the terrific Cross Politics podcast, which mixes faith and culture and politics.
I've been on it a couple of times.
It airs on DirecTV.
It streams on the web.
You can find it on iTunes, Google Play, or Stitcher.
It is a really, really good and fun podcast.
Gabe, are you there?
Yes, I am.
Dear you, it's good to see you.
Is it cross-politics or cross-politic?
No S.
No S. There is no S in cross-politic.
All right.
How are you doing, by the way?
You look good.
Man, I'm doing great, man.
You know, with the celebrating the 30th anniversary of the Berlin Wall, I'm surprised that you haven't moved out of California to Idaho yet.
Now that the wall is down, you mean?
I know.
I said this yesterday.
I said they're celebrating the end of a life that was so miserable, it was almost like living in California.
It's just playing off that.
So we talked on your show, we talked on CrossPolitik about God in the culture.
And let's talk about this because I think, personally, I think a lot of the stuff we're seeing today has to do with materialist philosophy, which ultimately doesn't make sense and doesn't make sense of the human person.
But why do we need God in the culture?
I mean, people can be moral without God.
They can do the right thing without believing in God.
Why do we need God in the culture?
Yeah, well, basically, there's two worldviews.
There's the worldview, the Christian worldview that we're created in the image of God, where we are heart, soul, and mind.
And then there's the evolutionary worldview where we're pixie dust that's morphed over millions and billions of years and that we can all of a sudden think and love and have complex thoughts and so forth.
Those worldviews, the evolutionary worldview does not make sense.
But if we're created in the image of God, all of a sudden there's right and wrong, there's evil and good.
And then we can have a better understanding of what's going on in our culture.
If we don't believe that we're made in the image of God, And then everything is disordered from there.
It's no wonder I can change my body parts to pretend to become a male or a female or whatever I want to be.
And then all of a sudden we're fighting over definitions of what impeachment is.
If I can change my body parts, how much more can I change definitions of what words mean and so forth?
So we're on the wrong starting point.
We, as a, as a, you know, America was founded as a Christian nation.
If we believe that God created the world, then we're, then that, that's our basis for being able to process everything that's going on in the world.
And to be able to look out the door through that lens, to look through this, you know, look using the sun.
Let's, you know, let me use this real quick.
You know, the sun is the lens at which we see everything.
And in the same way, God's word is the lens in which we see everything and analyze everything.
And if we don't have the proper sun, the proper lighting, then we're going to be so off in how we look at culture and so forth.
I mean, it certainly is true that without at least some kind of, you know, what C.S. Lewis called the Tao, some kind of spiritual idea of the human being as a whole thing, as a whole spiritual entity, we talk nonsense.
And you're right.
You can cut up your body and change it into something that looks like a woman's body and declare you're a woman, even though it's just not true.
So I don't think we can argue that religion is falling away, that people are less religious than they were.
Would you agree with that?
I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Yeah, I mean, I think there's, from a Christian perspective, I think there's definitely a decline in biblical literacy.
So I would connect that to religion as falling away.
And if I believe that I believe the church is the center of culture and it should be leading culture, and it hasn't been.
And because it's been following culture, I look at that as like the church is in decline from that standpoint.
So are Christians doing something wrong or is Christianity just by nature a minority viewpoint?
Well, you know, I mean, the Christian faith has had so much impact, not just on America, but on the world.
If you look at, if you roll out a map of Western civilization and everywhere the gospel has had a significant impact on a culture, there's actually a strong economy and a strong cultural impact from that nation.
And so I think at one point in our time where the gospel's had a significant impact on that nation, there's been an outgrowth of a strong economy and a vibrant community and a vibrant culture and even a vibrant political impact and so forth.
So I think largely Christians, well, I want to pin the problem of the decline of the church in our culture on the shoulders of pastors.
The reason why Crosspolitik or Andrew Clavin or Rush Limbaugh have a market share in politics is because pastors aren't preaching the whole counsel of God from the pulpit.
So you'll go to church on Sunday and get a good gospel message, and then you go to Andrew Clavin or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck on Monday through Friday to, you know, hey, how should I be thinking about politics?
But what happens there is we disconnect our faith from politics.
We disconnect the foundation of what we believe is true from how we should be thinking about politics.
And so, Andrew, you become kind of the political pastor Monday through Friday.
Uh-oh, our country is doomed, I guess.
And so I want to peg the problems of our country solely on the spiritual leadership in our country.
Do you think I sometimes complain about Christian movies and the kind of, you know, and I don't mind Christian movies as something that Christians like to go see, but they have no outreach value.
I mean, no one is going to go see God is not dead and change his mind because no one's going to go see it who doesn't believe to begin with because it is a Christian film.
Do you think I'm wrong about that?
Is there something more that Christians could be doing to affect the culture through the arts and through the general popular entertainment?
Oh, absolutely.
I think the problem with Christian and art, Christians, artistic expression and Christian art, we model what we do.
We model our art 10 years after what the world already produces.
So the world produces okay art and then the Christians 10 years later kind of produce some of the same art, but it's worse.
Whether it's movies, whether it's music, I mean, you know, watch the Christian music industry just follow the modern pop music industry.
It's always five years behind and five and worse.
And so I think when you see a vibrant Christian culture that's seeking God and wanting to impact culture for Christ, you actually see a rich outgrowth of art that has a huge impact on culture.
I forget, there was this artist back in the 1500s during the Reformation time, and the mass production of art was really difficult.
And what this artist figured out how to do was he figured, well, he didn't figure out how to do it.
He figured, if I can find a way to mass produce Christian art, I can, in terms of what he did, carve out the scene where Jesus and the apostles were in the upper room before he were betrayed.
And so he just carved out, was just being translated and sent out, and the scriptures was actually starting to go places.
Well, his art would reach some places where the Bible hadn't been able to reach yet and ended up, people would see this art and recognize the gospel in this art.
And so I think there's a number of examples where good, solid Christian art, movies, poetry, you can look in the rich history, rich tradition of Christian art, but we're in a black hole of Christian art right now, being able to impact our culture.
It's true.
I mean, when you look back at the great works by Bach, Michelangelo, Dante, all the great stuff that came out of Christian culture, that stuff right now is pretty much gone.
Let me ask you, I'm running out of time, but I want to ask you, when you started out, you were talking about evolution.
Is science a problem for Christianity?
I mean, I love science.
I'm more likely to listen to a scientist tell me about science than I am to search for science in the Bible.
I don't care how God makes the world.
I mean, it's like, I assume that scientists will figure that out for me.
Is it a problem?
I mean, is Christianity naturally at odds with science?
It shouldn't be because God created the whole world.
So God created all the molecules and everything that we see in the world.
So it shouldn't be.
The problem is, is we don't have a worldview for processing what science should look like.
So even evolutionists have faith in their own science.
They believe the world is 4.6 billion years old.
Well, were they there when the world had a big bang?
No, they have faith in their carbon dating.
They have faith in their processes.
And so the issue is not faith.
The issue is how we understand God's world and how we are able to read his word in relationship to natural revelation.
Gabe, I got to stop you there, but your show is cross-politic.
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It is such a fun show.
And you have Scotch, which I think is the most important thing.
I hope you'll have me back on.
It's really good to see you.
Good to see you, Andrew.
Thank you.
I'll talk to you again.
So final reflection.
Last night, Safe Spaces, the new documentary starring Adam Carolla and Dennis Prager, had its premiere, and we had a red carpet event at Grauman's Chinese Theater.
I saw some really big stars there, like Ben Shapiro and Michael Knowles were there.
And Dave Rubin was there.
A lot of friends.
It was a lot too conservative Hollywood, which I think was really nice.
It's really nice to see people turn up for this Madison McQueen production.
The director.
I don't know what we're yelling about.
We're about to find out.
The director is Justin Folk, who made his bones with Claven on the Culture.
He really was one of the guiding forces, certainly the visual guiding force between Claven and the Culture, and he's only gotten better and better.
And the direction of the film is absolutely terrific.
Let's take a quick look at the trailer, a little bit of the trailer of No Safe Spaces, which is about free speech or the lack thereof on college campuses, again, starring Adam Carole and Dennis Prager.
You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say will be used against you.
You are not listening.
I want your job to be taken from you.
A protest has turned violent at California, Berkeley.
This is why we're fighting for the soul of America.
You should be able to share ideas without fear of being fired from your job or shouted down.
You are not to be heard.
This is one of the few things one could say we have no precedent for in the United States.
You have the right to remain silent.
The only way we separate the good ideas from the bad ideas is to be free to say whatever we want about them.
Anything you say will be used against you.
There's no free speech for fascists.
Your posts on Facebook, Twitter, and social media will be saved to shame.
Kevin Hart has stepped down from hosting this year's Oscars.
Anything you say that we don't like will be used to shut you up.
It's a really well-done documentary, I got to say, one of the, possibly the best, certainly one of the best in this kind of political genre.
And you can go on no safe spaces.com and get tickets for wherever it's playing, which is not enough theaters yet, but they are accruing theaters.
They are getting more and more theaters.
They need investors as well, if you happen to have a couple of bucks.
They need investors because nowadays you have to bring your own publicity money to the table to get the theaters that you want.
But really, I mean, you know that I had those people pounding on the door and screaming and yelling when I was making a speech.
And I'm like a wonderful guy.
So like for some of these people who aren't as glorious as I am, it's even worse.
And I think that it's a terrible, terrible thing to do to children.
It is a terrible, terrible thing to do to children, to tell them, and these are children, basically.
They're young adults.
Their minds aren't totally formed.
To tell them that everything they disagree with is hate.
To tell them that everything that makes them uncomfortable is bad is essentially to stop their mental development.
So you go to college to stop their mental development.
You know, we were having a conversation backstage about this before, about whether or not college is a good thing, whether it's now a good thing.
And that's pitiful because education is a good thing.
Education is a good thing.
You should not only be educated in the thing that you do, the craft, whatever craft or trade you practice, you should be educated in that.
You should know how to do that well, but you should also have a general sense of where you came from, of how the political structure of your country works and why it works that way.
And they're essentially being robbed of that inheritance so they can't possibly think for themselves.
You can't possibly think for yourself if you're not listening to other people.
And No Safe Spaces details that.
And of course, you're dealing with Adam Carolla and Dennis Prager, who are two of the most civilized human beings, people who say politically incorrect things, but of course are very decent, very thoughtful people.
And the idea that they are being shut down and they're being canceled is completely absurd.
It really is.
And the things that are happening on college campuses are there.
What's so deadly about them, what's so deadly about them is these people move into the industries that matter.
They move into Google.
They move into journalism.
They move into college.
They become future teachers.
They become the minds that control the future and they do not understand anything.
If you are down shouting somebody down, silencing somebody, declaring somebody who disagrees with you hateful, declaring somebody who disagrees with you fascist, if you are doing that, you do not know anything.
You are an ignorant fool and you're being made into a fool.
It's really not the fault of an 18, 19 year old for being foolish.
18, 19 year olds are foolish.
It is the fault of the administration that is teaching them not to think, not to listen, not to be challenged in their ideas.
And No Safe Spaces, terrific documentary about how that works and what it's leading to, which is pretty frightening.
I got to stop.
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