Ep. 747’s Conspiracy of Elites dissects Jeffrey Epstein’s prison death—ruled suicide under 24/7 watch despite a smuggled gun—while exposing ties to Bill Clinton (denied involvement but later linked via 27 flights on Epstein’s plane, not four) and elite figures like Prince Andrew. The episode ties Epstein’s case to the "Clinton Body Count," listing suspicious deaths (Vince Foster, Danny Casalaro, Jerry Parks) and questioning systemic cover-ups amid moral hypocrisy: condemning workplace harassment yet excusing Epstein’s alleged trafficking of minors. It argues elite impunity thrives on selective justice, from Clinton’s denied island visits to media silence on his misconduct, while framing Epstein’s death as a failure of accountability in a decaying moral landscape where power shields corruption. [Automatically generated summary]
Jeffrey Epstein has committed suicide in prison, if you get my meaning.
The billionaire pimp who supplied underage girls to some of the most powerful and dangerous former presidents from Arkansas and the country was found dead in his cell where he had been under round-the-clock suicide watch and yet still managed to smuggle in a gun and shoot himself twice in the back of the head.
Video footage of the suicide was pixelated and unwatchable, but acting prison warden Sidney Blumenthal told sniggering reporters that Epstein left a suicide note saying, quote, I am taking my own life with no help from anyone, especially not any old friend who has been wrongly accused of having banged every 15-year-old he could lay his hands on just because he visited my private orgy island, which he never did.
Because I no longer wanted to be a burden to such a fine individual by causing him to live in fear of dying in prison if I told all the untrue things I know about him, I am shooting myself twice because the first bullet didn't do the trick.
Love Jeff, unquote.
Former President Bill Clinton had earlier denied any wrongdoing in the Epstein case, saying, quote, I did not have sex with all those women, depending on what the meaning of not is.
Jeffrey is just a good friend, and it will be a terrible thing when he commits suicide, unquote.
On hearing of Epstein's death, however, Clinton did release a statement saying, quote, on a beautiful, beautiful day such as this, I just want to focus on the pure miracle of being alive and able to go anywhere I please without a worry in the world, unquote.
Prison authorities say they will investigate Epstein's death until people forget the whole thing and then release an implausible statement on a Friday night when no one's paying attention and then use the phrase conspiracy theory a lot whenever anyone guesses the truth.
Vince Foster was unavailable for comment.
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I recently finished the final script for Another Kingdom 3, the last season of my fantasy suspense podcast starring the imitable Michael Knowles.
I completed the first draft months ago and outlined the plot years ago, so it's been in the works a long time.
And without giving too much away, I can say that it involves a billionaire who provides his rich and famous pals with underage kids they can use sexually, and then tries to cover it up by hanging a witness in prison and passing it off as a suicide.
Jeffrey Epstein never once came into my mind when I was writing this, and I wasn't thinking about him at all.
So how did I make this Epstein-like story up before it happened?
One theory is that I'm a prophetic genius.
That's my preferred explanation.
Another is that anyone could see it coming.
I don't buy that at all.
But a reasonable explanation is this.
I am a top-notch artist, and as such, I'm a terrific observer of the zeitgeist, the spirit of the age.
I can see that our elites have become so detached from the lives of the rest of us that their own corruption has become invisible to them.
I know that corruption usually involves the abuse of power, and I know that one of everyone's favorite abuses of power is the sexual abuse of the powerless and the young.
The prison suicide thing was just a good guess.
The sexual abuse of young people is endemic to elite society.
Don't get me wrong, it happens among the poor too, but the poor aren't our leaders and thought leaders.
The poor aren't asking to run the place.
The poor don't want to take our guns away, so we can't defend ourselves against them.
The poor don't want to regulate our speech in court and on social media.
The elites do, and our elites have become corrupt, and their corruption expresses itself in the widespread sexual abuse of young people.
This abuse is everywhere.
We know it happens on a large scale in Hollywood, and as often as the story breaks the surface, it gets buried again.
We know it happened in the Catholic Church, but it's also endemic throughout Islam and in many large Protestant denominations as well.
And in the Jeffrey Epstein case, we know it happened among the rich and powerful, and no one gave a damn.
Rich and powerful and famous people went to Epstein's parties even after he was convicted, imprisoned, and released for this abuse.
They did not care.
Why should they?
Who was going to hold them to account?
The press?
They are the press.
But it goes beyond that.
The abuse of the young includes the claim that young people should be butchered or injected with hormones to legitimize the elite's bizarre transgender obsession.
It includes the dressing up of young boys as girls to legitimize the elite's hatred of masculinity.
The sexualization of teenage pop stars by powerful music companies to sell their wares is also part of it.
So is the filmed stripping of young actresses by studios and networks to sell movies and TV shows.
Our elites don't take care of our young people.
They sell them to us and to each other sexually for a profit.
And we're buying.
Hashtag MeToo.
This is not a disease.
It's a symptom of a disease.
The disease is a sick and fundamental delusion about the connection between flesh and the moral sphere.
Our bodies are not pieces of meat.
They are the expressions of our wills and our spirits.
Therefore, what we do with our bodies has moral meaning.
If I put my hand on your throat, that has moral meaning.
If I put my lips on your forehead, that also has moral meaning.
We all know this.
But suddenly, when it comes to sex, our elites tell us we can turn that moral meaning off.
They tell us we can perform the most intimate actions of all without consequences.
We can even kill the babies sex creates without a qualm because they want the sex.
They want the power.
They want the money.
And we let them have it.
This is not a call for prudery.
Pretty young people are an adornment to the world, and sexual attraction is part of the human story.
But those very facts call on us to promote modesty, honor, and moral restraint in ourselves and in our leaders as part of our daily lives.
I was kidding around about Bill Clinton killing Epstein.
I don't need a conspiracy theory to explain his death or his life.
In a society without modesty or honor, we are the conspiracy.
We needed him to die before he exposed us all.
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So our friend Jeffrey Epstein is in prison, right?
And this is a federal jail in Manhattan.
And this is the place where they send guys like mobsters and so forth, high-level guys who need protection.
And they're supposed to be able to protect them, right?
And a couple of weeks ago, it's just so you have the whole story.
Epstein was taken to the hospital with bruises on his neck.
We don't even know whether he was attacked or whether he tried to commit suicide then.
We just don't know the answer.
He was then put on suicide watch, right?
So suicide watch, you know, it's not what you think it is.
It usually means what they do is they train another prisoner.
who knows how to do this and they put him on a stool and he looks at you and takes notes while you're in your cell, okay?
And there's people coming by, guards are supposed to come by.
And after this, he was taken off, I think about five days ago, six days ago, he was taken off Suicide Watch.
Now, there's one source who said he was taken off at the request of his lawyers.
You can understand why a guy would not want to be on Suicide Watch, have somebody look at you 24-7.
It's very understandable that you want to ask, but that doesn't mean that the authorities should do it.
When you're a guy, you are this guy who was hanging around with some of the most powerful, influential, famous, and therefore dangerous people in the country.
And had there was talk that he was about to turn evidence to get a lighter sentence.
And so this is a guy you want to protect, right?
But even if he's off Suicide Watch, what they do after they take you off Suicide Watch is they're supposed to put another prisoner in there as your cellmate so that you have somebody in there, first of all, to keep you company so you're less likely to commit suicide, but also to keep an eye on you.
And then every 30 minutes, a guard is supposed to come by and look at him.
According to sources, sources reported in both the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, this wasn't going on.
He was alone in his cell and no guards had come and looked at him for hours, all right?
So this is a huge, huge deal.
They didn't have video on him, although they did get earlier videotape of Bill Clinton's lawyer coming in and talking to him for a minute.
have some of that against the emperor failed.
Plotters were always given a chance.
Let the families keep their fortunes.
Yeah, but only the rich guys, Tom, the little guys, they got knocked off and all their estates went to the emperors.
Unless they went home and they killed themselves and nothing happened.
And their families, their families were taken care of, Tom.
That was a good break.
Nice deal.
All right.
I'm joking.
I mean, you know, I have a rule.
This is true.
I have a rule that I never make jokes when anyone dies.
Even if I don't like them, it doesn't matter.
I don't make sure.
But obviously with Jeffrey Epstein, you can make an exception.
There's no loss here to anyone.
It's kind of like when Jeffrey Dahmer was killed in prison, Whitey Bulger was killed in prison.
But those are different situations, by the way, because when they were killed, you know, somebody said, how could somebody have gotten to Jeffrey Dahmer to kill him?
This is that horrifying serial killer in prison.
And I said, it was easy.
They said to the guard, excuse me, guard, can I get past here so I can kill Jeffrey Dahmer?
And the guard said, sure, go ahead.
This is different, right?
This is not a guy.
This is not a guy you want to die.
This is a guy you want to be around to turn states and evidence and talk about the people who he was servicing with these underage girls, right?
Now, they're going to have an autopsy.
I don't think they've had the autopsy yet, but there's going to be a doctor present from the lawyers, a very well-respected forensic doctor.
I'm sure the autopsy will be, you know, the real deal.
And I'm sure it'll show he hanged himself.
I'm sure he actually hanged himself.
But playing that godfather tape makes the point that there are all kinds of reasons you can hang yourself.
But that's actually not my point.
My point is this, okay?
These guys are under, this prison's understaffed.
They're incompetent.
But this is an incompetence of such a vastness, of such a huge, the scope of this incompetence is so huge.
And the indifference to what was obviously going to happen, what anybody could have told you was going to happen, was so huge.
I mean, people who are in prison for sex crimes, they are a high risk for suicide.
Again, here's a guy whose loved ones may have been in danger from the people he was servicing who was telling him, hey, you don't want to talk about this.
You want to disappear.
Obviously, this guy is a high risk to die.
In one way or another, he's a high risk to die.
It's so vast that it speaks to something almost unconscious.
It speaks to something almost societal that we would let this guy slip through our grasp, right?
I mean, you can blame anybody you want.
You can make jokes about Bill Clinton, but there's something wrong with the society that lets this guy go because this guy was at the core of a huge, huge operation to service some of the highest people in the country.
I mean, they keep pointing out, the New York Times loves to point out that Trump was hanging out with him, but really Trump was not hanging out with him anywhere near as much as Bill Clinton.
And there were a lot of other people.
You know, a few days ago, there was a woman, Virginia Jeffrey, I think her name is.
And she had sued, here's another name, I don't know how to pronounce it, Ghislaine Maxwell.
And she was obviously the daughter of Robert Maxwell, the disgraced media mogul, who had, after his death, they said he had played fast and loose with the finances of his media empire.
But she had become the girlfriend of Epstein and has been accused repeatedly of being the woman who went out and pulled some of these young girls in and groomed them for their sexual abuse.
And some say also joined in the sexual abuse of them.
The thing about this is the reason it's so hard to get a guy like Epstein is we call this abuse and we call it rape and it is those things, but it's not necessarily those things because the girls were unwilling or because they said, no, no, please don't make me do this.
A lot of times they are pulled in and sucked into this.
It's a moral abuse, right?
It's not like abusing little children, which is a sickness in and of itself.
This is a moral abuse.
This is like these girls don't have power.
They're not old enough to make these kinds of decisions themselves.
And these are rich, powerful, older people who are abusing that fact in order to take pleasure off their bodies, in order to use their bodies.
So a court released 2,000 pages of documents from this lawsuit, which was settled, by the way.
The lawsuit was settled.
She said this woman, Virginia Jeffrey, said that in several depositions that Maxwell and Epstein trafficked her to powerful men for sex.
In 2016, she said Maxwell specifically instructed her to serve former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, Britain's Prince Andrew, wealthy financier Glenn Dubin, former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, modeling scout Jean-Luc Brunel and scientist Marvin Minsky.
I mean, that is a long list of pretty powerful, very powerful people.
She also says Maxwell and Epstein directed her to have sex with another prince, a foreign president, a well-known prime minister, and the owner of a large hotel chain.
None of the men named have been charged with crime and all have denied inappropriate behavior.
They testify there was testimony that a distraught 15-year-old girl told him that she was virtually imprisoned on this island.
There were lots of other revelations that came out of this.
And just a few days ago, so I mean, you know, this stuff was hitting the fan.
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This was a real deal that was coming out just, and then suddenly this guy dies, and you want to know, you know, what the hell happened.
I mean, there's so much pressure on this guy to be gone, to be gone, to disappear, that when he dies, it's not enough to just sit there and say, oh, ah, well, tough luck.
You know, heads have to roll, but it's more than heads have to roll.
have to understand what was going on.
Was this simply an event cascade where one person after another didn't do the right thing?
Why was there, this is a federal-run facility.
Why was nobody at the Justice Department making double sure that this wasn't happened?
Bill Barr in the Justice Department says he's appalled.
He should be appalled.
But again, heads should roll and we should find out exactly what went on.
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It is part of a philosophy that serves the elite.
Decadence serves the elite.
Decadence is a good look for the elite.
It means they can be corrupt.
It means they can have all the sex they want.
It means they can have all the power that they want and nobody's going to say a word about it.
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So, you know, first of all, you know, a lot of the stories in the press today were saying things like, well, this case is not over.
This case is over.
I would bet money this case is over.
They will never find, they will never find another witness like Epstein who has the proof.
Now, anybody can make any accusation against anybody from now on, and there's nobody around to say that did or didn't happen.
From now on, it's all going to be he said, she said.
Maybe they can get this Ghislaine Maxwell.
Maybe they can go after her.
That's what some of the people are suggesting.
But who else?
Who else is going to have the evidence?
How are they going to construct the evidence they need to get these people, people so powerful whose lawyers are so good?
This case is over.
This guy, I'm telling you, I will be shocked if anybody pays the price for this.
And so now everybody starts to say, oh, the conspiracy theories, instant conspiracy theories.
Everybody is going to have a conspiracy theory.
And of course, President Trump, you know it.
He's got to be there.
He retweeted something that showed, said Bill Clinton, the Bill Clinton body count.
We'll talk about Michael Knowles is going to come on and talk about the Bill Clinton body count because it is a funny story.
But Donald Trump, who, you know, one of the things about Trump is that he has no sense that he is now president of the United States with special responsibilities.
That sense has grown on him a little bit, but he's still doing this one thing for a billionaire playboy to be tweeting out about Barack Obama's birth certificate.
It is another thing for a presidential candidate to be saying that Ted Cruz's father killed Kennedy or whatever crazy stuff that was.
That's really bad.
But now you're president of the United States.
One of the things I kind of enjoy about Trump is that he remains this guy from Queens.
He'll pick up a Marine's hat.
He'll chase after a Marine's hat when it blows off and put it back on his head.
But the flip side of that, the bad side of that, is like he has this moral power, this moral voice now that he doesn't actually take into account when he tweets something like this.
Bill Clinton, I sincerely doubt that this was a murder committed by Bill Clinton's agents, but he tweeted that around this Clinton body count.
But here's the thing.
Jake Tapper went after him.
Play the piece of Jake Tapper excoriating the president for this.
This is, of course, not the first time that President Trump has chosen to use his amplified voice to spread conspiracies.
He lied about President Obama's birthplace.
He suggested Ted Cruz's father might have been involved in the JFK assassination.
He lied that he saw American Muslims in New Jersey on TV celebrating 9-11 when there is no such tape.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
But Jake Tapper is part of the problem.
And I don't mean to pick him out personally.
He is in a corrupt business.
He is in a business that now lies every day.
They are in the business of lies.
Many of them are lies by omission, but they're still lies.
So he is now the representative of a business that legitimizes what Trump does because there are so many lies opposed to him that when he just says this stuff, it's really different.
You want to talk about a conspiracy theory?
Talk about Russian collusion.
Two years of Russian collusion.
Two years of us tell, you know, that montage, I don't have it set up now, but that montage of like the end is near, the walls are closing in, this is the beginning of the end, this is the end of the Trump presidency, two and a half years.
And the New York Times, just as responsible, every single one.
And he's on CNN.
Jake Tapper's on CNN.
So when you talk about the president using his powerful voice, his massive platform to put forward to retweet a conspiracy theory, fair enough, but you're in a business that did that every day, every single day.
And I never heard, you know, the Democrat candidates, first of all, not only the Democrat candidates, but the press are continually still saying that Donald Trump said that there were fine people among the neo-Nazis, which he did not say, which he clarified.
He wasn't saying when he said the words fine people.
They're still selling that.
They're still selling that lie.
So how is that not part of the same idea?
And then you say to us, oh, but don't you have conspiracy theories?
Conspiracy theories are only for us.
We're the media.
Stand back.
The conspiracy theories, the Russian collusion, that's just us.
We're allowed to do that.
But if you do it, you're a bad guy.
Michael Brown, the killing that destroyed Ferguson, Barack Obama put forward that conspiracy theory.
Barack Obama sold the idea that the police are racist.
Listen, there is no doubt in my mind that the experience of black people with the police is different than the experience of white people with the police.
That is not necessarily racism.
That is caused by the bad guys who are black who commit crimes and they make it tough for all the majority of people who are good people just trying to lead their lives.
The cops dealing in a black neighborhood are dealing with a different set of circumstances than they are when they're dealing with white people.
And that means they behave differently.
Those are just numbers.
Those are just numbers and facts and the effects that they have on people and on the minds of police officers.
So when you say to people that the police are racist and kill black people and black lives matter, but all lives don't matter, all that stuff that was sold to us, that is really destructive too.
And that's a conspiracy theory as well.
And it destroyed that town.
It destroyed Ferguson.
It still hasn't recouped.
But more than this, right?
More than this, it's the lies by omission, okay?
You read the New York Times over the last couple of days, El Paso, the El Paso shooting, El Paso, El Paso, O Paso, every single day, every front page, all the ways.
Today, today, there is a thing saying that the El Paso shooter echoed the ideas of conservative commentators, right?
Now, we all know at this point that the Dayton shooting was done by a left-winger.
I assume that his ideas echoed Bernie Sanders and echoed Elizabeth Warren.
And yet, day after day after day, we hear the press telling us that somehow we're to blame.
Right-wingers are all to blame for that shooting, but the Dayton shooting just vanished.
It's gone down the memory hole, and so did all the shooting in Chicago, which again is tagged into Democrat policies.
There, the Democrats actually bear some burden of blame for creating the situation that's going on in Chicago.
But, you know, Steve Scalese, who was killed by a Bernie, killed, who was shot by a Bernie bro when he attacked the softball game in Washington, D.C., you know, Steve Scalise is talking sense on Face the Nation.
First of all, my heart breaks as everybody's does when you see what happened.
There's no place for it, whether it's somebody that's racist, that hates a certain ethnic group.
There's no place for those kind of attacks and attacking people based on their ethnicity.
But to try to assign blame to somebody else, I think, is a very slippery slope, because the president's no more responsible for that shooting as your next guest, Bernie Sanders, is for my shooting.
And he's not, by the way, responsible.
The shooter is responsible.
What we need to do is find out those people that have slipped through the cracks.
And we've seen it in shooting after shooting, Sutherland Springs, Charleston, even in Dayton.
He had a hit list and a rape list.
And yet none of that was in the system.
Let's make sure these background check systems work properly and are rooting out the people that shouldn't be able to legally purchase a gun, but currently are because the system hasn't worked.
And so this is the other thing.
We know, you know, we know that they're going after our guns.
We know, you know, Jenna Els Reeves made this point when she was on the show last week.
It's that, you know, they say, oh, they want to tighten gun security.
And now Trump is saying, yeah, we want background checks and all this stuff.
And look, there are sensible things you can do about guns.
I don't want crazy people to be able to go and buy a gun.
I don't want some guy with a swastika carved onto his forehead like Manson to be able to walk into a gun store and buy a gun.
There are sensible things you can do, but you don't do them.
You don't want to do them when you know what they're doing is coming after our guns because they don't want us to be a free society.
When you know that, when you know that, it makes it hard to compromise.
How do you compromise with somebody who wants everything, who's coming after everything, who's doing it every single day?
You know, you just cannot deal with people who only see things from one side.
The corruption of the press, the corruption of the press in this country is one of the worst things going on.
It is one of the things that is so responsible for the division between us, our inability to talk with people.
I am absolutely certain that the large majority of Americans could sit down and discuss their differences if it weren't for a press that was all on one side telling us that one side is guilty of murder, the other side, the Dayton shooting.
Don't look behind the curtain at the Dayton shooting.
We don't want to talk about that.
It's absolutely absurd and obscene.
And then when we say, hey, who killed Jeffrey Epstein?
It's like, oh, conspiracy theories.
Gunspiracy.
You know, that is so bad of you.
You know, let's go back and talk about Russian collusion.
And it's the omission stuff.
You know, there's a story out from Judicial Watch.
Judicial Watch has been going after all these papers in the investigation into the investigation of Donald Trump.
And the first question is, why is this blog going after this legal blog going after these papers, but the New York Times isn't?
Why is that?
Why is that happening?
And now they've got these documents.
They're called 302s, that they are FBI, they're summaries of FBI interviews with Bruce Orr, who, as you remember, had a wife who worked with Christopher Steele.
I hate to get into this thing because I know how complex it is, but Steele is the guy who got that document, put out that OPO research on Donald Trump, which has been largely left unsubstantiated because it's obviously untrue.
This is stuff he got from apparently Russian intelligence.
So Hillary Clinton colluding with the Russians to get dirt on Donald Trump that probably wasn't true.
And then the FBI apparently used this document with the knowledge that it was untrue to get a FISA warrant to tap.
Donald Trump, to tap phone calls that eventually affected people who were working for Donald Trump.
So they're spying on Donald Trump based on the Donald Trump campaign on a presidential campaign based on this information that now we see they already knew was illegitimate and was powered by Christopher Steele, who was willing to do anything, anything to stop Donald Trump from being elected president.
So I was watching Sean Hannity and Hannity is all over this.
And of course, he's killing it and he's kind of, I haven't seen the proof yet of what exactly what's going on, but it's obvious that there is a lot here, that the senators and congressmen who are investigating this, who are conservatives and therefore have some possibility of being honest, they're saying there's a lot more that we haven't seen yet.
And I'm just watching Hannity and I'm thinking, okay, you know, maybe he's overstepped a couple of times, but he's the only one covering it.
Where is the rest of the press?
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And if you're not going to cover it, if you're not going to cover it, then he can't turn around and say Hannity is guilty of conspiratorial thinking, right?
If you're not going to cover it, then he's the press.
He is the guy doing the job.
So it's all these people who have lied and lied and lied.
And on top of this, I have to end with this and get back to it.
On top of this, everything the press has sold us through the elites, everything the left-wing press has sold us, has basically told us that our bodies suddenly have no moral meaning when we commit acts of sex.
Only when you can connect them to some leftist idea, some leftist theory, is there a moral meaning there.
So for instance, if a woman is in the workplace and you chase her around the desk, yeah, that has moral meaning because it's anti-feminism.
But if you are walking down the street and barely wearing any clothes, that has no moral meaning because we don't really have any kind of, there's no difference between men and women.
You know, we don't want to say there's a difference between men and women.
We don't want to say that women have a responsibility to respect the feelings and desires of men.
We only want to say that men have to think about women.
Look, look, our bodies are moral entities.
Everything we do with our bodies has a moral meaning.
And as long as the elites are selling this idea that when it comes to sex, suddenly that morality shuts down, if you need to get rid of your baby, that baby has no moral presence whatsoever.
That abortion has no moral meaning whatsoever.
As long as that's happening, guys like Jeffrey Epstein are just symptoms.
They're the gigantic pustule that pops up in the middle of your forehead because inside you've got some corruption.
We have a corrupt and decadent elite.
They have lost touch with the rest of us.
They have lost touch with the moral meaning of life.
And Epstein is just a representative.
He could move and act without any consequences because he was a representative of a moral philosophy.
And when he was in prison, it was easy for him to kill himself because nobody wanted him alive.
I got to stop.
We're going to bring on, what's his name?
What's that guy's name?
Michael Knowles.
We're going to bring on Knowles and talk about the hashtag ClintonBodyCount.
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Michael Knowles, coming up.
Knowles.
How's it going?
It's good to see you.
So we've kept you under suicide watch for the last four years, I think.
That's true.
And especially this weekend, because of all the awful assignments you've ever given me, this is the first one that was genuinely dangerous.
It was genuinely dangerous.
To study Bill Clinton body.
That's right.
Check out the Clinton body count.
And fortunately, though, I did not commit suicide this weekend.
Did you hear what I said about Another Kingdom?
No, I think.
The plot of Another Kingdom 3?
No.
The plot of Another Kingdom 3, I don't want to give too much of it away, but it is about, and I never, Jeffrey Epsom never entered my mind while I was writing this.
And I plotted it out years ago, right?
This is the end of the trilogy.
It's about this billionaire who supplies his rich, powerful pals with sexual underage sex objects and then tries to cover it up by staging a hanging in prison and pretending it's suicide.
So help me.
That's the story.
You have this eerie ability to predict this movie.
It's weird.
This is pretty.
Anyway, so everybody's yelling at Donald Trump for retweeting the Clinton body count.
Yeah.
It is weird, isn't it?
Is it me?
I mean, it's a little weird.
What, you mean how just everyone who ever meets the Clintons has information on the minds of dead?
You know, I am Hillary's third cousin once removed.
Are you really?
That's true.
Not by blood, fortunately, but by law and maybe by blood after I do this again.
Yeah, could you just sit a little further in?
I know.
So this whole story, it tells you a lot about the Clintons.
Doesn't necessarily tell you that they killed people, but it does tell you a lot about the Clintons.
This whole story started in 1993.
The idea of the Clinton body count started in 1993, but there had been a lot of investigations into the Clintons earlier, some suspicions about this, even going back to the late 80s.
So there was this woman, Linda Thompson.
She's an Indianapolis lawyer.
She compiled this list of people called the Clinton body count.
The Clinton body count, coincidence or the kiss of death.
Now, the work had been started earlier.
There had been a writer named Danny Casalaro who had been investigating some of these Clinton scandals earlier.
And coincidentally, he was found dead of suicide by slashing his wrists each 10 to 12 times.
No, you're joking.
This is a true story.
He had been receiving threatening calls before he left for a trip to West Virginia to investigate another scandal.
The Clinton scandal or just this was, I don't think, exactly related to the Clintons, though he had been investigating specifically the MENA airport scandal in Arkansas.
So he told his family and friends before he left that if he wound up dead, he wouldn't have killed himself, and then he winds up dead.
So this was a pretty strange one, though it could be related to other people, not just the Clintons.
Obviously, there was Vince Foster.
A lot of people thought that Vince Foster, old Clinton pal and worked in the White House, had been suicided, though that does appear pretty convincing.
Yeah, what's his name?
The prosecutor.
Ken Starr.
He said it was a suicide.
He said it was a suicide, though he investigated it.
He did it.
He wasn't totally sure at the beginning.
Then there was Ed Willey, who was the husband of Kathleen Willey, who had been groped by Clinton.
He committed suicide.
Did he?
Yeah, maybe.
They say he did.
By riddling himself with machines.
He might have committed suicide.
There's Jerry Parks, former security team member for Governor Clinton.
On September 23rd, 1993, Mr. Parks was hit with 10 bullets from a 9mm semi-automatic handgun as he was leaving a Mexican restaurant in Little Rock.
So that was a murder.
That was a murder.
Remains completely unsolved.
His son, Gary, said that his father had collected a bunch of dirt on Clinton's indiscretions and that his father was trying to blackmail Clinton.
We've never seen any proof of this, but we do know the guy was close to Clinton.
This is what his son was saying was happening.
What does make me a little worried about some of this is that like the South, you know, you and I are New Yorkers and we know the mob and we know the different mobs that are different.
They come in and take over.
Russians come in and they, but the South is an entirely different organized crime system that we don't know anything about.
That's true.
Yeah, it's not that there's no organized crime it's far from that, right.
But yeah, it's something that's a little foreign and I think they don't make a lot of movies about it.
They make a lot of movies about the Italian mob or the Russian.
Yeah, not a lot about the southern organized crime, right.
So that's a pretty suspicious one.
There was Kathy Ferguson, wife of an Arkansas state trooper, Danny Ferguson, who was a co-defendant with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit.
Kathy Kathy was found dead in her living room from a gunshot wound to the head.
She also allegedly had a.
Was the gun?
There was this murder too.
That it's unclear.
We don't know what I mean.
Allegedly it's suicide okay, but we she apparently had a packed suitcase, though we're not sure if that happened either.
This goes on and on and I mean there are like 30 of these and most of them you can dismiss kind of out of hand, right.
Some of them are kind of weird.
Then obviously, this took on steam again with the death of Seth Rich.
Who was that?
So he was, he was murdered.
He was murdered.
They said it was a robbery, except they didn't steal anything.
So it was a robbery where no one took anything and he was robbed outside of his apartment and except he wasn't robbed, he was just murdered.
Right after he was killed.
Julian Assange suggested that Seth Rich was the one who leaked the DNC email.
That's right now.
Look, Julian Assange is not exactly a trustworthy figure, but that was the story that went out and so that revived this conspiracy and Hannity went after this in a big way and then had to apologize right yeah yeah yeah Hannah, that's true, he went after it.
The family sued, I think.
How does this relate to Jeffrey Epstein?
Well, because Bill Clinton was very close with Jeffrey Epstein.
There were a lot of famous people who met Jeffrey Epstein, or kind of friends with him.
Trump himself was friends with him because he was a member of Mar-a-Lago.
Bill Clinton was really close to Jeffrey Epstein since the early 90s, not since after his presidency.
Kinchita Sarnoff, who's an investigative journalist who broke the whole Epstein story she's the director of the Alliance TO Rescue Victims OF Trafficking.
Right, she pointed out the lies in Bill Clinton's narrative about this.
Clinton said that he had flown with Epstein or on Epstein's plane.
Four times.
Right, total BS, not true?
He flew on that plane 27 times now, even if you're gonna say it was just four trips, but there were a lot of stopovers at least six trips Clinton took with Epstein they.
Clinton said he was always with his Secret Service on board.
What Konchita Sarnoff found is that that's not true that there, sometimes he was with the Secret Service, sometimes he wasn't with the Secret Service.
He said there were never girls on board.
What she said is from the flight logs, not true.
There actually were girls on board virtually every single time.
And he said that he never went to the island.
She says that she's got evidence that he went to the island as well.
And if you go 27 times with the guy and he's got a private sex slave island, I mean what the hell are you going to do?
Not go to the island?
And you're Bill Clinton, you're not.
Clinton has been lying about sex forever.
Yes, I mean, this is, this is the thing, and and you know it really does get me it I keep thinking back to Monica Lewinski right, obviously she's a grown woman and she can make her own decisions and and that's how basically Clinton and got away with it.
But at the same time, you do have this responsibility.
You're the most powerful person on earth.
She's essentially a secretary.
She's an intern.
You don't do it.
She's lower than a secretary.
It's the difference.
You know, people keep calling this pedophilia, which I really resent because pedophilia is like this twisted illness that people have.
It's a mental sickness.
15, 16-year-old girls are pretty.
I get that.
Post-pubescence is not.
Right, right, exactly.
It's immoral, though.
It's immoral.
You don't leave them alone because they're not pretty.
You leave them alone because that's the right thing to do.
Because they're 15 years old.
That's right.
You can't make these decisions.
That's right.
I mean, this is a distinction that is lost.
There is a difference between a 15-year-old girl and a five-year-old girl.
That's right.
You shouldn't sleep with either of them, especially if you're a 40-year-old man.
But at least, I mean, the guy who's a pedophile is like, like I said, he's like the sick monster who's been taken over.
But this guy is just making a moral, a disgusting moral error.
Right.
And so, I mean, there are so you could go, I mean, we could go here all day on all of these bizarre coincidences.
Why did people immediately start passing around that meme of, have you seen this man and it's Hillary Clinton's face with a mustache and sunglasses?
That's very funny, yeah.
Right.
Because we know that the Clintons are pathological liars.
We know that they're incapable of telling the truth.
We know they're rotten to the core.
I mean, they're Bill and Hillary Macbeth, for all intents and purposes.
And so there is a public perception that they would do something that's egregious as corrupt.
Yeah.
So what you're saying, which is really fair, is it doesn't speak to the idea that they murder people.
It speaks to the idea that they're so corrupt that it's plausible.
That they're so corrupt that Bill Clinton would fly on a known sex, underage sector extravagant private jet 27 times, having known him since the early 90s.
And this is the other thing that gets me about this attack that's going on now against people who voted for Donald Trump.
Anybody who voted for Donald Trump was a race, as if he was running against Abraham Lincoln.
You know, he was running against this desiccated, morally hollow pair of people who really have had power way too long, and they're only being thrown under the bus now because they want to get rid of them.
They never, you know, the New York Times never went after them when they were actually had power than they were.
The feminist movement didn't go after Bill Clinton when he was abusing women.
They loved him.
They embraced him.
So it's this whole story, I mean, Hollywood couldn't make a movie about it because it would be too on the nose.
I mean, this whole Jeffrey Epstein story.
But it seems to me the least, I don't think that Hillary Clinton went in there with a crowbar and cracked him on the head.
But it does seem to me the least plausible theory is that he just accidentally was permitted to commit suicide.
You know, the incompetence and malfeasance is so huge that even if it's only unconscious, it's corrupt.
That's right.
That's right.
What are you talking about on your show?
Oh, I don't know.
Is there anything in the news today?
Is there any?
I think I might.
There's this guy, this fella.
He's an old financier who ran the biggest sex trafficking ring in the world.
So I think we might talk about him a little bit.
I'll give my theory on it because I woke up today and sweet little Elisa said, hey, I've got something for your show today.
And it was a little tinfoil hat that I could put on to do it.
We're all Alex Jones now.
We are all Alex Jones.
That's a good point.
Absolutely.
All right, a final reflection.
Listen, I hate to go after people I like, and I like Essie Cup very much, but she is an example of something that I really have to show you.
She was a conservative commentator.
Now she's on CNN and she's kind of skewed a little bit.
But she was also, she's a person I really like.
I really like Essie, and she's very nice.
But she was always a big gun fancier.
And she was always telling me, I was always teasing her about her.
She was always telling me how she'd gone out and hunted this and hunted that.
And I was always telling her how, you know, oh, Essie, you're making me feel inadequate.
Now, you know, joking around.
We would have this joke about it.
I talk a lot about what the press's purpose is and the constant, constant barrage of hysteria.
That it's not, oh, we're going to win this case, or oh, we're going to convince you of that, or oh, we're going to make sure this is.
It's basically creating an atmosphere in which people cannot think straight.
Essie Cupp, who was a big supporter of gun rights, has been caught up in that atmosphere.
And here's what she said about it.
I am no longer an NRA member.
Being right no longer feels righteous.
The right yells slippery slope and hides behind the Constitution.
Nothing happens.
Nothing changes.
And with the next mass shooting, we do it all over again.
Look, I love the Constitution, but it's still a document.
It's meant to protect human beings, real people, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness.
What happiness are we protecting if our kids are afraid to go to school?
What liberty are we protecting if we don't feel safe at the mall or walking down the street?
What lives are we protecting when we arm a 21-year-old white supremacist with 100 rounds of ammo only so he can go shoot up dozens of people at a Walmart, including a two-month-old child?
I know I will be accused of letting my emotions get in the way of facts here.
I've made that accusation before.
But this is an emotional issue.
How could it not be?
Now, everything she says there is incorrect.
When being right no longer feels righteous, if by right, unless she just means right wing, or if being right no longer feels righteous, then you are in an emotional atmosphere that is corrupting, right?
When you start to talk about hiding behind the Constitution, when what you mean is citing the Constitution and the rights protected therein, it's not just a document.
It's the law of the land.
I mean, any law is written down somewhere, but it is still the law of the land.
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It can be changed.
The Constitution can be changed, but it can't be violated.
It can't be thrown away.
As I always tell my liberal friends, they always say to me, it's a living document.
I always say yes, but it's not a blank document.
It's not, there is something written there with an intent.
They meant something when they put it down.
And one of the things they meant was that we have the right to bear arms in order to protect ourselves from the federal government.
That's why the right was put there.
It wasn't put there so we can hunt deer.
It was put there so that we could form militias in our states to protect the overreach of the federal government.
It is still there for that reason today.
And that is why we're trying to protect it from a federal government that is overreaching every single day.
Essie, I love you, but you've got to get out of that atmosphere.
That CNN, it is corrupting you.
It is the point.
It is the point of news on CNN, is to create that atmosphere in which you start to think that your emotions should be leading you instead of your reason and the law.
I got to stop there.
Knowles is coming up.
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