Andrew Clavin and Christian Toto dismantle the left’s exaggerated Trump narrative, exposing how figures like Nadler, Schiff, and Pelosi peddled baseless Russia collusion claims while ignoring his record—2.6% job growth, 3.1% manufacturing rise, and declining racial prejudice. They critique media bias (NYT, CNN) and FBI overreach, including suppressed FISA evidence and post-election surveillance, while mocking cultural shifts like Mockingbird’s racist Atticus rewrite and Game of Thrones’ power-obsessed finale as leftist fantasies. The episode pivots to pop culture’s anti-Trump bias—Netflix’s Laugh-In reboot—and grassroots resistance, from Oakland’s "pothole vigilantes" to conservative media alternatives, framing systemic leftist narratives as detached from reality. [Automatically generated summary]
Democrats continue to toy with the idea of impeaching Donald Trump.
On the one hand, it seems easier than trying to defeat him in an election, but on the other hand, there could be a lot of paperwork involved.
Plus, they'd have to find a place to park near the Capitol building.
Congressman Jerry Nadler was interviewed while he was hiding under a bridge in hopes of devouring one of the three billy goats gruff, and he said, We have fallen into a terrible imaginary crisis while voters just stand around apathetically admiring their new jobs or their new cars or the fact that they can now feed their families.
We need to make these people understand how hysterical I am, or else we can't even begin to tear this country apart over nothing, unquote.
Congressman Adam Schiff stood on the Capitol steps waving a sealed envelope and telling reporters, I have in this envelope absolute proof that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians, and if he didn't collude with the Russians, he obstructed justice.
And if he didn't obstruct justice, he said racists were fine people.
And if he didn't say races were fine people, then why am I standing here waving this envelope?
Unquote.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi remains uncertain on the matter of impeachment.
And in a statement made to the statue of Sacagawea in the Capitol Rotunda, she said, quote, The questions we have to answer as a nation are: Where am I and why is there a lipstick stain on my forehead?
Because before we can move forward with the matter as important as impeaching George W. Bush, I need to know why I locked myself in the broom closet last week, and if not then, when, unquote.
President Trump, meanwhile, has introduced a proposal to revamp the current immigration system, but Democrats say that's just a cynical ploy to try to distract voters from the matter of impeachment by solving the nation's problems.
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You know, it's not that I think the Democrats are living entirely in a fantasy world.
Oh, wait, no, that's exactly what I think.
If it weren't for the fact that the Democrats own the echo chamber of the news and entertainment media, it would be obvious by now that they've become blithering fantasists talking provable nonsense 24-7.
Trump's a racist, except what racist thing has he done?
Trump's a dictator, except who's he dictating to?
Trump is lawless, except what law has he broken.
The Democrat fantasy of Donald Trump has entered that magical Democrat world in which babies aren't human, capitalism doesn't work, and people of color are excluded in America.
A world, in other words, that doesn't actually exist.
I think this explains why the left has lost its commitment to the most American of American values, free speech.
Keep the conservatives off Facebook and Twitter.
Demonize Fox News.
Silence campus speakers.
You can't keep a lunatic fantasy going if people are allowed to interrupt you with the truth.
The Democrats have become like crazy old Uncle Fred.
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Okay, so yesterday, I happened to be in the car listening to the radio when Donald Trump began one of his speeches at one of these rallies.
He gives in these godforsaken places where people don't even live in New York or LA.
I didn't even know there were people out there.
But Donald Trump knows there are people out there and he goes out and he starts to give a speech and he is getting, you know, kind of more disciplined in his speeches, although he does go off in these hilarious rants sometimes.
But anyway, he's talking about the thing that he should be talking about, which is the economy.
And here's a portion of that.
More than 5 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps.
We're getting Americans off welfare and back into the workforce.
And it's happening by the thousands and thousands and thousands.
One million people have been lifted out of poverty and the poverty rate for African Americans has reached the lowest level ever recorded.
The Hispanic American, African American, and Asian American unemployment rates have also reached an all-time historic low.
Those debates should be very easy when we meet whoever we're going to meet.
Because statistically, I mean, maybe, I don't know, who knows?
Politics is a crazy world, but when you have the best employment numbers in history, when you have the best unemployment numbers in history, when you have the best economy probably that we've ever had, I don't know how the hell do you lose this election, right?
He sounds pretty confident.
Trump always sounds pretty confident, but he looks incredibly relaxed.
I got to say, for a guy who's under fire 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he looks very relaxed.
He looks like he feels that he's got this going on.
But I was listening to those figures, which are largely correct.
I mean, obviously, Trump has that Carney Barker way of talking where everything is the best ever and the best ever.
But, you know, the numbers are real.
The numbers are real.
He has brought jobs back.
The growth in this country has been great.
It's obvious he's taken off that incredible weight that Barack Obama put on the country, not just by over-regulating business, not just by being unreliable in what atmosphere he was creating for business, so business couldn't count on what was going to happen next, but also in that just a droning blame of, oh, we're not the country we're supposed to be.
I mean, they talk about animal spirits in business, and Obama was the greatest killer of animal spirits ever, and Trump, you know, pumps people up.
He loves the country and everything's going great.
But I thought, like, what are they going to do?
And it's just like the picture of Donald Trump that comes out of the Democrat media 24-7 again, that comes out all the time, is just different than real Trump.
It's different than the real Trump.
I mean, first of all, the stuff that he's talking about, he's talking about the minority numbers, the things that he has done for the minority communities in this country, if that's what we have to call them.
I don't know why they're not just Americans, but we're always identifying them as minorities.
He's done amazing things for those communities in terms of the economy, which kind of puts the lie to this whole racist thing, which is all we have heard is racist, racist, racist.
They pushed that thing about, oh, there are fine people on both sides until finally they had to admit, oh, yeah, we lied to you for two years.
Now we just won't mention it again.
But we'll keep saying he's racist.
Two researchers at the University of Pennsylvania, Daniel Hopkins and Samantha Washington, set out to measure the effect of Trump's election on anti-black and anti-Hispanic prejudice.
And Americans, they say, have become less inclined to express racist opinions since Donald Trump was elected.
Anti-black prejudice, they found, declined by a statistically insignificant degree between 2012 and 2016 when Trump was elected.
But then after 2016, when Trump was elected, it took a sharp dive.
Anti-black prejudice after Trump's election took a sharp dive that was statistically significant.
Moreover, contrary to their expectations, the fall was as evident among Republican voters as it was among Democrats.
There was also a general fall in anti-Hispanic prejudice, too, although this was more evident among Democrat voters.
In other words, when you don't have a guy like Obama telling us that everything we do is wrong, that life is injustice, oh, we need to have a conversation about race, as if we haven't been talking about race for the last 50 or 60 years, when you don't have people doing that, we start to react to each other the way we're supposed to, which is as Americans, and it's going away.
This is an effect of Donald Trump.
So that's a fantasy.
The fantasy that Trump is making racism worse, that he's bringing out from under the rock all the evil white supremacists, that white supremacism is a growing problem, which the numbers show that it is not.
That is just, I mean, you know, you can not like Trump.
You can say his policies are wrong.
You can disagree with his policies.
But I'm talking about fantasy.
I'm talking about the difference between fantasy and reality.
What you cannot say is that he's a racist or that he has acted in a racist way.
You could say that Obama was a racist.
He went for 20 years to a racist church.
He convicted police officers without any evidence.
He's calling them racist.
He tried to take over local police forces with the feds on the grounds that they were racist when the numbers showed they weren't.
Disagreement vs. Fantasy00:13:08
You know, you could have said that.
And you could say we all have glitches.
We all have things that come out of our mouth.
You can always pick and choose things.
But in terms of his actions, in terms of his policies, I don't see how it's possible to make the legitimate argument that this is an actual racist guy.
More fantasy to come.
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So let's talk about the economy, right?
I mean, the economy really, the people that he's talking about to, the people who depend on manufacturing jobs and energy jobs and all these kind of hands-on jobs that we were told were going to disappear.
We were told by Obama, these are done, right?
Obama said these aren't coming back.
These jobs aren't coming back.
You'd need a magic wand.
Remember Paul Krugman from Knucklehead Row at the New York Times?
He was, nothing policy can do.
This is a quote, nothing policy can do will bring back those lost jobs.
The service sector is the future of work, but nobody wants to hear it.
And, you know, the big brains in Silicon Valley, they're telling us we need a guaranteed income because everybody's going to be a robot from now on.
You're not going to have anything to do but sit around and eat soma, you know, eat opiates and stare into space.
And so we'll give you money to leave us alone while we create the future.
Not so much.
In the first 21 months of the Trump presidency, non-farm employment grew by a seasonally adjusted 2.6%.
In the same period, manufacturing employment grew by 3.1%, reversing the trend under Obama when overall employment grew faster than employment in the manufacturing sector.
Comparing the last 21 months of the Obama administration, right, it's almost two years with the first 21 months of Trump's administration shows that under Trump's watch, more than 10 times the number of manufacturing jobs were added, more than 10 times the manufacturing jobs than under Obama.
So, okay.
Obviously, lower taxes, less regulation, more oil and more energy work, obviously improves the economy.
It works every single time they do it.
Now, you can say, I don't like that because I like taxing people and taxing the rich.
They have to give back because they stole that money from somebody.
So you can say, I like taxing the rich.
You can say regulation is necessary for whatever.
I want to control your waterways, the environment, whatever excuses they make.
But you can't say it's not happening.
You can't just fantasize a world in which Trump isn't successfully rebuilding the manufacturing base, the energy base, and rebuilding our economy.
You can, however, if you work at the New York Times.
If you want to live in this fantasy world, go to the New York Times.
I mean, this is the thing.
I grew up just outside of New York, and the New York Times is like, it's the atmosphere you breathe.
When you read the New York Times, that is what you think the world is.
Still, my friends and relatives who live in New York, they still think when they read the New York Times, which is now just a Trump hate paper, that's all it is.
It's hilarious.
I mean, if you don't read it, you should, just for the laughs.
It's like, you know, Trump does this and Trump does that.
And yes, the sky is blue, but Trump still, he's still a bad guy.
I mean, it's like everything.
The whole page, I do not think there's a headline on the front page that doesn't have some derogatory fact about Trump.
They just hate him.
And they found a place in America, Ohio, I think it was Northeast Ohio.
They found a place in America where the manufacturing jobs haven't come back.
It's still suffering.
And they can't believe they still support Trump.
They still support Trump because he has done this for the rest of America.
So they found a place where maybe things aren't going as well as anywhere else.
And of course, Joe Scarborough, who has now become the living avatar of the mainstream media, is now like if the mainstream media were just distilled into a human being, it would be Joe Scarborough.
He is pumping this idea that somehow, because they did find a corner of America where that hasn't rebounded as much as the rest of America, where they're cheering crazily for Trump.
You should have seen the hangar he was in yesterday, just packed with people.
Because of that, Joe Scarborough sells the fantasy that things are going badly.
We have seen it time and again, people voting against their economic self-interest.
The manufacturing jobs in Youngstown are not coming back.
The other jobs that the mining jobs that Donald Trump is talking about, not only are they not coming back, they're going away.
The few high-profile examples, whether it's Carrier or Ford, even Foxconn, that Donald Trump talked about, they've all blown up in his face.
The question is, will those voters discover that this billionaire, that this plutocrat, is nothing more than the short, fat little man behind the curtain and the Wizard of Oz?
The short, fat little man behind the curtain moves.
I mean, it really is amazing.
Remember, Obama said he was going to need a magic wand now.
He's the Wizard of Oz.
Except those jobs are coming back to have 10 times the number as in the Obama administration.
You know, I travel out there.
What's so ridiculous about this is all you have to do is go out to the Midwest.
Every single store has a help-wanted sign in it, almost every one.
And they don't have help-wanted signs in it because suddenly fast food stores, because suddenly fast food stores are on the rise, they have help-wanted signs in them because people are working in those areas.
And then they go to the fast food store, they go to the restaurants, and so the restaurants need to hire people.
Unbelievable, unbelievable.
You know, I hardly like to quote MSNBC.
Scarborough is a little different because he's not quite an MSNBC.
He does represent the mainstream news, but just to show you what people on the left are thinking about, just to show you what they're thinking, because I think this is really good.
Brian Williams has Donny Deutsch on.
Now, that very fact, of course, is hilarious.
When you think about Brian Williams, who was kicked off the air for lying.
And look, it was lying.
It was lying.
He would tell stories about things that happened to him, adventurous things that happened to him as a reporter.
His helicopter was shot down or whatever, all untrue.
Doesn't stop him.
As long as you're a leftist, if he were a right-winger, where would he be today?
Out of work.
He would be in a different profession.
He would be, you know, he would be in the fast food restaurant asking you if you wanted fries with that.
But instead, because he's a left-winger, he gets to come back and do this again.
Now he's interviewing Donny Deutsch.
Who's Donny Deutsch?
He's an ad man.
He's an old ad guy.
So you got a hype artist and a liar talking to one another about what's happening in the country.
What do you think it's going to sound like?
It sounds like this.
How dark are things right now to you?
Very, very dark.
And I want to say this with no exaggeration.
If you look throughout history and you become a student of history and the worst of what humans have done throughout history, Trump is using that playbook in every way you possibly can.
You start with creating an other.
You get enough rich people to look the other way.
And that's how you get power.
And then what you do is obviously you destroy the credibility of a press.
You get a judicial system that is no longer independent.
You start to blur separation of powers.
And we should be very frightened.
It's not just saying, you know, or authoritarian tendencies.
I believe this man is capable of horrific, horrific deeds.
And I'm not saying specifically what that is, but let your imagination go.
And also do not kid yourself.
If he gets voted out of office, he will say it was fake.
He will say the polls were rigged.
He will tell his people to take to the streets.
People have to understand this is not a man who is playing without any boundaries of what our normal civilization, our normal democracy has.
No, Hannah.
What's happening with you?
I'm hysterical.
I'm having hysterics.
I'm hysterical.
I can't stop when I get like this.
I can't stop.
I'm hysterical.
I'm a Donner Day.
Oh, no, no, no, no, You know that clip, that Donny Deutsch clip may be my favorite news clip of the year so far.
You know, newsbusters are the guys I'm always using to get at the media because they monitor the media so well.
They do a yearly party where they give the award for the most biased stuff.
That has got to be a contender for one of the most biased, hilarious clips.
Not one fact in that whole minute that we played, not one fact.
Just let your imagination go.
He says, this is a man who's capable of the worst things in human history, okay, the worst things in human history.
And let your imagin go.
And if he's voted out of office, he won't leave.
This is the other part of the fantasy, that democracy, which seems to me to be working quite well, right?
Our democracy, the way our democracy works, which is it's a republic with a democratic element, right?
Which seems to be working quite well.
It is somehow under threat simply by the presence of Donald Trump, who has never done anything, right?
I mean, he's never done anything to hamper our republic, our democracy.
This is a big deal, but I think it's revealed in this incredible clip of the actor Jeff Daniels.
Because remember, when you have this fantasy, you have got to, it's got to be like surround sound.
You've got to surround people with this fantasy, and you've got to keep people off Twitter.
You know, all the people are on Twitter, all the people are on Facebook saying stuff.
You've got to silence them.
You've got to keep them down because they interrupt Uncle Ned's fantasy that socialism is still alive, even though Ant Socialism died 20, 20 years ago.
So Jeff Daniels is starring, and this is interesting in and of itself.
Jeff Daniels is starring in a new play based on To Kill a Mockingbird.
To Kill a Mockingbird, one of the favorite novels ever written, right, in America, one of America's favorite novels.
I'm not that big a fan of it.
I think it's very blunt.
But okay, it's a favorite novel among people.
So now they have brought it back as in a completely woke version.
Terry Teachout, who's the excellent stage critic for the Wall Street Journal, right?
They have rewritten this by Aaron Sorkin, and it is called Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird, a new play by Aaron Sorkin, all right?
And in this, you remember To Kill a Mockingbird, the wise Atticus Finch defends a black man accused, falsely accused of rape, right?
And in his wisdom, he stands up against the bigots of the town.
But in this, right, they've totally rewritten it.
Aaron Sorkin, the leftist guy who wrote the West Wing and everything, he's totally rewritten it so that Atticus Finch is played as a fool, right, who doesn't understand just how bad he says he's incapable of fully appreciating the total depravity of his racist friends and neighbors, a hookwormy gaggle of populism spouting gargoyles.
I'm surprised they weren't wearing red MAGA caps with their KKK hoods, right?
He has to be, Atticus Finch has to be schooled by his, he has to be set straight by Calpurnia, his sassy, wised up black maid.
Instead, Atticus Finch, more or less realistically, is the white guy who stands up for the powerless black guy in a time when the Democrats had brought Jim Crow to the South.
So that is how they're, first of all, changing to Kill a Mockingbird, an American classic, a book that everybody loves, how they're changing it to reflect what their fantasy, their fantasy of what America is like, right?
That anybody who's voting for Donald Trump is a racist, which is just so offensive, it's unbelievable, but also a fantasy.
And here's Jeff Daniels talking about the people who vote for Trump.
After the election, I was surprised with some of the people.
Changing Kill a Mockingbird00:08:00
You know, I said, can you believe this election?
They go, yeah, isn't it great?
And you're going, whoa, my wife's on Facebook.
And these go, oh, we got another Trumper, you know, and it's just, you didn't see it coming.
Atticus goes through this.
I know these people.
They're good people.
And there are reasons why.
And he's an apologist.
He's an enabler.
And I think there are people in the Midwest between the coasts who don't pretend, who don't know anything about it, who don't care about this, who don't have time for this, who have to make a decision now.
You have to decide whether, like Atticus, you believe that there is still compassion, decency, civility, respect for others.
Do unto others.
Remember that?
Do unto others.
All that stuff you guys believe in.
And you still voted not for Hillary or for Trump.
Where are you now?
Because everybody, because your kids are looking up at you going, but he lies.
And I think there are a lot of people in the Midwest who are going, it might be enough for them.
We're going to find out.
If the big gamble is to go all the way to November 2020, which I agree, and lose, it's the end of democracy.
So I love these people.
It would be funny if they weren't so dangerous.
But what he's saying is the big gamble is not to impeach Donald Trump as if they had the power to impeach Donald Trump, which they might have the power to impeach him, but they don't have the power to convict him.
So that's not going to help them any.
So he says he agrees that they should do that.
Take the big gamble and have a vote.
But if they lose the vote, that's the end of democracy.
Because that's how democracy works.
You take a vote, and then if you lose, it's not democracy.
I mean, that is the left-wing fantasy.
That is the left-wing fantasy.
How is democracy dead if they take a vote and the left loses?
It's an amazing, amazing fantasy.
And meanwhile, meanwhile, you have to silence the opposition because they have this threat that reality is rising, that suddenly we're going to see some of the malfeasance from the Obama administration, the malfeasance from the FBI.
And we haven't got proof of this yet, but even the investigation is something they don't want.
I mean, this is the way.
Here's an example of how the left covers the investigation into how the FBI investigation into Trump got started.
This hurts.
So, and when one network, Fox, is covering it, what do you have to do?
Because we're living in a fantasy.
You've got to silence anybody who is threatening that fantasy.
It is an amazing thing to hear a network like CNN.
And I mean, look, they could have said this in public, but luckily they said on CNN where no one's watching.
But, you know, it's an amazing thing to watch people on CNN go in and not just say, I disagree with the people at Fox, but say this.
Listen to this.
I think that Fox News is a corrupt enterprise.
I think it is not a journalism company.
It is a company that was built by Roger Ailes in order to promote conservative Republican political ideas.
And in prime time, they spread the kind of disinformation that actually worked with the Russians to sow dissent in this country.
So I'm with her.
I think the Democrats should avoid going on because like they should avoid being involved with any other corrupt enterprise.
Well, it's a tough call because the point you made earlier about how Fox can use these debates as a vehicle to go to advertisers and say, look, we are not just the racists and bigots in prime time.
We are a real news organization.
And that is a I'm not sure Democrats want to give them that cover.
I think that's that, if you're going to not go on, that's the best argument.
That's amazing, amazing stuff for colleagues to say about colleagues.
Obviously untrue.
Obviously, Fox is not a racist station.
It does have two very right-wing commentators, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingram.
They are on the right, but it also has a lot of Democrats, more Democrats than there are Republicans on CNN, more Democrats on Fox News than Republicans have walked by the CNN building, basically.
So what are they doing?
They're trying to prevent reality from coming.
Reality, which is that when the FBI investigates a president's campaign on the other side of the aisle from the administration that is in power, it needs to be looked at.
Not that it was wrong, but it needs to be looked at.
Who's covering that?
Fox.
Here is the Attorney General, Bill Barr, talking to Fox about why he appointed John Durham, a guy they're going to have a really hard time.
It's easy for them to rake Barr over the coals.
He's lived, apparently, I mean, he's had a career that has never had scandal touch it, but it's easy for them to rake him under the coals because he's in the Trump administration.
I don't know what they're going to do with this guy, John Durham, who he's appointed to investigate this because he's been appointed by both sides.
He's been appointed by both Democrats and Republicans to investigate intelligence operations and whether they were done well.
Here's Barris talking about why this has to be done.
Well, the first step is find out exactly what happened.
And we're trying to get our arms around that, getting all the relevant information from the various agencies and starting to talk to some of the people that have information.
The thing that's interesting about this is that this was handled at a very senior level of these departments.
It wasn't handled in the ordinary way that investigations or counterintelligence activities are conducted.
It was sort of an ad hoc small group.
And most of these people are no longer with the FBI or the CIA or the other agencies involved.
I've been trying to get answers to questions, and I found that a lot of the answers have been inadequate.
And I've also found that some of the explanations I've gotten don't hang together.
If we're worried about foreign influence, for the very same reason, we should be worried about whether government officials abuse their power and put their thumb on the scale.
And so I'm not saying that happened, but I'm saying that we have to look at that.
And of course, I mean, if it were the other way around, of course, everybody, I think that that's a natural.
You have to look at that.
I think I would be shocked if George W. Bush had had the FBI tapping phones and sending people in with wires.
Trey Gowdy is now saying that there are tapes.
I mean, he hasn't proved this yet, so I don't want to go overboard, but he is now saying that there are tapes that show that the FBI knew that Trump was innocent, and that exculpatory evidence did not go into the FISA warrants.
So they knew he was innocent, but they didn't put it in the FISA warrants.
That's a game changer.
I mean, at the Federalist, Margot Cleveland is writing that Carter Page, the former Trump campaign advisor, is suggesting to them that the surveillance, the spying went on after the campaign into the administration, that they were actually spying on people like Steve Bannon during the administration.
I mean, this is serious stuff, and it really does need to be looked at.
And it is real that it needs to be looked at, and it's real that it might have happened.
And if that reality comes to the surface, it is going to destroy, destroy this fantasy Trump that we've been living with now for two years in the media, more than two years in the media.
Listen, it's going to be up to us to decide in the end.
I mean, we can buy into these fantasies or not.
We can make the truth count, or we can just let it pass by.
But eventually, it's going to come out.
I mean, as long as Trump is in power, as long as there are Republicans pushing to find out what happened, the truth is going to come out.
The fantasy is going to collapse.
And it's only going to be a matter of how we react to that when it actually happens.
The Truth Will Out00:12:22
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Christian Toto is a friend of the show.
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Christian, we got you.
There you are.
How you doing?
I'm good.
How are you?
All right.
It's good to see you.
So I just did yesterday, I was talking about the end of Game of Thrones, the fact that Daenerys, the dragon queen, goes kind of nuts and is obsessed with power.
And just talking about that as a right-wing, it's a fantasy to have a show that popular put forward the idea that even in pursuit of the good, you can become so obsessed with power that you destroy people, that you commit atrocities.
How do you feel overall about the Game of Thrones story?
I mean, what was your feeling watching it?
Did you, a lot of people were criticizing it.
What was your take on it?
I think I'm more curious about the pop culture phenomena around it.
It is one of the last shows where we all get together, we all watch it, we all talk about it on Twitter.
We don't get that anymore.
You know, there's no longer appointment TV.
And we watch things when we want to watch them.
But with this show, you couldn't not watch it live because you get in trouble.
Someone on Twitter spills the beans.
And I love that part of it.
And, you know, I'm also intrigued by the fact that I think about a million people signed a petition to redo this season because they don't like it.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, who are we?
We're not the artists.
We're the people who watch it.
We cannot watch it.
We cannot like it.
But it's not our job.
I mean, you could be dissatisfied for sure.
But I just think that we have this weird ownership of things now, where if it's so big, well, then I've got a say and you've got a say.
And if we don't like it, well, darn it, we're going to do something about that.
You know, it's hilarious.
I'm torn between the fact that you're absolutely right.
The audience is not the artist.
The audience is there to be told a story.
And of course, all their comments are so political, this idea that women should somehow triumph in the end, this kind of nonsense.
But on the other hand, it is kind of beautiful to see an entire country wrapped up in a story, and especially one that's written with so much talent.
Yeah, no, I agree.
And the level of excellence has been consistent throughout.
There weren't bad seasons and good seasons.
I think people quibble about this because the weight of the season was so heavy.
But yeah, but this is the power of pop culture.
It's what Andrew Breitbart's been telling us for years.
It's what people like you tell us all the time.
It matters.
This is what we talk about.
It's what we care about.
You know, we don't talk about the leaves in our backyard.
We talk about this show, these characters, the arcs, the stories.
And we'll be talking about it for years, if not decades.
So it does have a consequence.
And it's what we all unites us in a way.
Well, so speaking of that, you wrote a piece about the new laugh-in, the kind of reconstructed laugh-in.
Now, first, before we talk about this, you have to explain to people, the younger people in the audience, what laugh-in was.
I mean, you must have been six years old when Laughin came out.
I really remember it well, but it was a big deal.
I caught the reruns.
It was a show in the late 60s, a lot of funny, goofy people, and it was off the wall.
It was silly.
It was, you know, back then, it was a longer gestation for jokes.
This was rat-at-tat-tat.
Right.
And it was political at times.
It was sort of saucy at times.
It had girls in bikinis with little placards and messages painted upon them.
It was unlike anything else.
And it was a big hit.
And it made Goldie Hahn a star and Lily Tomlin, Ruth Buzzy.
And what it wasn't, it wasn't mean and it wasn't overly one-sided.
Initially, it Richard Nixon went on it.
Richard Nixon went on the show.
Yeah.
Famously said soccer to me.
Yeah.
When they announced the reboot on Netflix, it was just a special reunion.
I thought, oh, it's going to be a Trump bashing affair.
And that's exactly what it was.
And it's weak-spirited in that Trump bashing.
Listen, I'm not a Trump defender where you can't tell jokes about him.
The same jokes, the skin, the totalitarianism.
I'm exhausted.
But more importantly, the speech midway through the reunion special by Kenya Barris, he's the fellow who created Blackish, a very popular show.
He said comedy is under attack today.
And that if the show Laugh It was around today, all the writers and producers would be in jail.
And I'm thinking, what planet is this guy on?
Just the ones in comedy.
And his fellow liberals want to lock us up.
I mean, speaking, if not otherwise, I mean, got it completely backwards.
So not only did they use this great classic show to mock Trump, which happens across the landscape, they lied to our faces.
And it really, it really kind of annoyed me that they kind of stained the legacy of a show that really did groundbreak in television.
Yeah, no, it is.
It really is a shame.
And the whole idea when there's one comedian after another, not just attacking Trump, but the vile profanity that comes out of their mouths on network TV, you know, where they, you know, where Colbert is suggesting that Trump is performing oral sex on Putin and all this.
I mean, just the violence.
And Trump is like, eh, you know, I mean, he laughs at them, he makes fun of them, he calls them failures, but there ain't no police showing up at their doors.
It's all again, this fantasy of this dictator shutting them out.
So you heard, I know because you wrote about it on your site, you heard the interview I did with Michael Loftus.
And he was a comedian.
For those people who missed it, he's a comedian who tried to pitch a show and they told him, no, we don't want to be nice to anybody on the right.
One of the questions I get asked most often is: what's my advice to a young person who wants to get into show business?
What's your advice to a young person who wants to get into the entertainment business?
Well, I mean, if you're right of center, it's very tricky.
Yeah.
You have to navigate where you can't be too open about your political views.
It's very clear.
I've done so many stories in the last maybe year or so where artists are saying that they've been treated differently because they're right of center.
So there is a line you have to walk.
But I also think if you cultivate an audience, that matters.
If you use social media, that matters.
If you say, hey, I can go have a YouTube channel and share what I want to share.
That's important.
And hone your skills.
Be good.
Don't be a hack and be very self-profitable.
Maybe turn to your friends and say, hey, I did a video.
It's a parody.
Is it funny?
And if it's not, how can I make it better?
So don't go out there with that American Idol season one mentality of I'm the greatest singer in the world.
Get better, learn, learn from your mistakes, and then put yourself out there.
So it's not easy.
And I just, I'm exhausted that I have to keep interviewing people who say, well, they're treating me differently because they are.
It's happening across the board.
I talked to a colleague of Michael Loftus who said, they used to go on radio shows.
They'd promote my live act.
They'd be happy.
They'd be very glad to give me exposure.
But when I connected to a live act that was conservative, the doors slammed shut in my face.
Yeah, you know, it's a really good point about the quality of things.
This is true both in the conservative world and the Christian world, where people approach you, they approach me and they say, oh, my brother, you know, you and I are as one in our beliefs.
Therefore, you should promote my work.
And you look at the work and it's tripe, you know, it's bad or it's propaganda or it's pious nonsense.
And you say like, hey, dude, you know, this is a profession.
You got to be good at it in order to do it.
I wouldn't have a surgeon operate on me because he happened to vote the same way I did.
And it's the same way with the arts.
One last question, because this is the other big question I get.
And I'm kind of hitting you up for information because I want to know how to better answer these questions.
I talk to people with money and they all want to know what they should do with their money.
And one of the things that, if you don't know about Hollywood, you can waste a lot of money.
You go to somebody, you go to some guy who has some piece of work that he's kept in his trunk because nobody wanted it.
And he says, well, you could finance this, you know, and you're throwing your money away.
What do you think people with money should do to help transform the culture?
Well, I think they need to team up with people who have a better sense of the arts and not just going to throw the money around.
Be judicious in where you spend the money.
I also think they should maybe support artists who are on the rise, who are maybe, you mentioned before that the art isn't very good.
Maybe they're getting better, but they're not there yet.
So maybe look for people who have kind of that spark of talent.
And also think about, wouldn't it be great to have a women's magazine like a Cosmo that didn't bash GOP representatives on every issue that was actually right-leaning?
I mean, just think what you could do with that, how that would influence people.
And it would be cool and it'd be hip and it'd be stylish, but it would be gently right of center.
And it would be an antidote to all these women's magazines, which are telling us that, you know, that there's no one on the right worth a darn.
I mean, so I think there's different ways to approach the culture.
And, you know, go on a crowdfunding platform.
Look at all the different projects.
Watch the trailers.
If there's one that's really good, they've only got like maybe 20,000 in the till, maybe throw that person a check because maybe that person really needs it.
But you're asking good, tough questions.
There are no good answers.
I'm just kind of scrambling, but I do think that people on the right with cash, which is not me, all I can do is give my website as a platform for artists who are hopefully on the rise.
And I'm happy to do that always.
But I think the people who have the finances need to be creative and smart and think about the culture.
It matters.
It matters so much.
I know.
Yeah.
And I also, I mean, one thing that I would like to see more of too are awards and grants for artists of all, you know, at all levels, because, you know, then it carries some prestige.
It's not just here's some dope kid.
You know, it's also, oh, you won the prestigious such and such grant or the such and such award.
It's a whole infrastructure we need.
Hey, I got to say goodbye, Christian.
It's really good to see you.
Christian Toto, go on to Hollywoodintoto.com so you can find out about culture without getting a little socialism with your hearts.
Thanks a lot, Christian.
It's good to see you.
Thank you.
Let me end with one final reflection, just a story that's coming out of Oakland that I just absolutely love.
They are called the pothole vigilantes because the roads in Oakland are so bad that the city's not doing anything about them.
So they creep out at night, masked, I believe, and they fill in the potholes because it may be illegal to do this work without the government doing it.
Here's just a little video of these two guys who are out on the street filling in potholes.
We want to be the ones that fix the streets of Oakland since the city isn't doing it.
So, you know, we believe that, you know, our supporters in our community now, you know, would back us up in the case that the city did want to do any sort of legality against us.
I mean, I think a lot of people get caught up in the fact that we pay taxes, so it's the city's job to fix the pothole.
But in reality, the city has this tax money, yes, and it is their job.
But if you have the time, the money, the ability to fill a pothole, to clean a sign, to pick up litter, to maybe paint a road, to fix your community for the better, you should do it.
Taking pride in not only Oakland, but your city that you live in and you grew up in, definitely.
Just taking pride in going out there and doing community services for your own city.
Taking Pride in Community Service00:01:36
That's great.
And I would like to just extend it to say, you know, if you go to your church and your church has become some leftist place, maybe meet in your house and be a Christian vigilante.
If you feel that your children aren't being taught about America and their civic duties and their civic responsibilities, maybe homeschool your kids and be a parent vigilante.
I think this is the way of the future because the more the government does, the more it will do and the worse it'll be.
I think a lot of this is now falling to us to do as individuals, even if we have to do it in the dark of night.
That's a great, I love that story.
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