Andrew Clavin dissects Elizabeth Warren’s debunked Native American claims—DNA tests revealed 1/1024th ancestry, far below tribal thresholds—while accusing media of bias and Trump of exposing her fraud. He contrasts Trump’s measured Khashoggi response with Lindsey Graham’s MBS isolation calls, then pivots to Gosnell, where director Nick Searcy frames the abortion trial as a procedural drama, not propaganda, sparking even pro-choice praise. The film’s cast, including a conservative actor who rejects ideological censorship, highlights Hollywood’s leftward echo chamber, culminating in a scathing take on Stormy Daniels’ dismissed defamation suit as performative trash. [Automatically generated summary]
Senator Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test proving that she is just about as white as it is possible for a girl to be without actually becoming invisible.
Warren took the test after being taunted by President Trump for falsely claiming she was part Cherokee.
Now, don't misunderstand me.
There's nothing at all wrong with being a white woman.
Many of the Raquettes are white women.
And of course, Gwyneth Paltrow is very attractive as well.
But the problem for Warren, or to use her native name, Dances with Horse Manure, is that she listed herself as Native American on federal forms when she taught law school.
And she repeatedly told the story of how her parents had to elope because of anti-Indian prejudice.
But that story now seems to confirm Warren's native name, Lies Like a Dog, because according to even the suspect analysis of a Stanford University professor she happens to know, Warren has got so little Indian blood in her, it may just be because one of her ancestors got some on his shirt when he was killing one of them.
In any case, Senator Warren, whose native name is Woman Who Would Cheat to Be President, has less Indian DNA than most white Americans and far less than what's required to claim membership in anything but the Malarkey tribe.
The news media was quick to back Warren's blatant lies, running such headlines as the Boston Globe headline, quote, Warren lied about her ancestry, now we will too, unquote.
The USA Today headline, quote, we hate Donald Trump, so we'll pretend to believe Warren, unquote.
And of course, the New York Times headline, quote, Trump slaughters entire Indian village in our imagination, unquote.
Warren herself, speaking under her native name, walks like a white girl, told reporters, quote, I will fight no more forever.
I go to join the great spirit in the happy hunting ground.
Trump give heap big wampum or speak with fork tongue, Hal Kimusabi, unquote.
Sounds authentic to me.
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Pocahontas and Tribal Truths00:09:58
So I didn't want to talk any more about this Elizabeth Warren show, this Elizabeth Warren's story, but I've got to talk about it because of the media, because of the way the media is doing it.
And I want to just talk about, I want to tell the real story here so you actually can see what is going on.
You know, there's an old Latin tag, falso in uno, falsus in omnibus.
If you're false in one thing, you'll be false in everything.
And so as you're listening to the story, as you're hearing it on NPR, on ABC, on NBC, in the New York Times, is any left-winger asking himself, huh, if they would lie about this, if they would twist this, if they would con me about this, what else are they conning me about?
What else are they scamming me about?
How much of their opinions are false?
What about their movie reviews?
What about their headlines?
Is everything just a scam from these people?
I think it is a fair question to ask when you see this, because here it is laid out right in front of you.
All these headlines saying Warren confirms her Indian heritage.
Warren gets her ancestry right.
Oh, Donald Trump was wrong about this.
Remember, this is Donald Trump.
He has been kidding her, calling her Pocahontas.
Supposed to be Pocahontas, right?
Because it's F-A-U-X.
She's the fake Pocahontas.
Harvard, when she was teaching there, listed her as one of their women of color.
She put on federal forms that she was Native American when she taught at Penn Law School and Harvard Law School.
When Trump challenged her, okay, when she was put on the dime, because he obviously was lying, she told this story over and over again, her parents.
It was supposed to touch you, move you so you wouldn't.
So you'd feel that Trump was being mean, feel that Trump was being mean to the poor Indian woman.
You know, first you take her land, then you kill her tribe, you burn her teepees, and then you insult her by saying she's not really.
So she would tell the story.
So some wag at the Free Beacon, just strung together all the time.
She has told this story.
Here's Elizabeth Warren on different shows telling the story over and over again.
Let me tell you a little bit about my family.
Let me tell you the story of my family.
My mother and dad were born and raised in Oklahoma.
My mom and dad were born and raised out in Oklahoma.
My mother and daddy were born and raised in Oklahoma.
My father fell in love with my mother when they were both still teenagers.
My daddy was in his teens when he fell in love with my mother.
My daddy first saw my mother when they were both teenagers.
A beautiful girl who played the piano.
A tall, quiet girl who played the piano.
He was just head over heels over her.
And he was head over heels in love with her.
Head over heels.
But his family was bitterly opposed to their relationship.
And his family was bitterly opposed to that.
But his family was bitterly opposed to their relationship because she was part Native American.
Because she was part Native American.
Because she was part Native American.
My parents eloped.
They eventually eloped.
They survived the Great Depression.
They survived the Dust Bowl.
They survived the Great Depression, the Dust Bowl.
They went through a lot of hard times.
A lot of knocks.
They raised three boys, my older brothers, all of whom went off to the military.
They raised my three brothers, all of whom headed off to the military.
They hung together for 63 years.
They hung together for 63 years.
I know who I am because of what my mother and my father told me.
From our mom and our dad, what my grandmother and my grandfather told me, from our grandparents, what all my aunts and uncles told me, from all of our aunts and uncles.
It's a part of who I am, and no one's ever going to take that away.
It's a part of me, and nobody's going to take that part of me away.
They lied to you, Liz.
They lied.
You got no Indian blood.
She goes out and she gets a friend to test.
She doesn't even send it to 23andMe, like a reputable company.
She gets a friend, and he all have to do this because they don't have a lot of Native American DNA to test it against, right?
So what they tested against, they used samples from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia.
So she could be a little tiny drop Aztec, maybe.
But all of this, all of this is to find out that she has between 164th and 1024th of some kind of, you know, Native North American blood.
Maybe, maybe, okay, because the whole test seems bogus to me.
But maybe, let me play.
Matt's Idea Shop, who I follow on Twitter, who I really like, he's very funny.
He put out what one 1024th of the movie Pocahontas looks like.
it is.
That's how Indian Elizabeth Warren is at most.
I mean, really, it is nonsense.
Most Americans are twice, have twice as much as she does.
And here's what the Cherokee Nation has to say.
And I'm just setting this all up.
The only reason I'm setting this all up so you can see how the press covered this.
Here's what the Cherokee Nation, this is Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr.
A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship.
Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America.
Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship.
And while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity, to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation.
Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong.
It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proved.
Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage.
This is the tribe.
This is the Cherokees actually saying this, okay?
So it's a complete self-owned, one of the hilarious terms the internet has given us.
A self-owned.
She has completely made herself look like an idiot.
Here is a montage from our friends at Newsbusters of the networks covering this story.
Tonight, calling his bluff, after relentless taunts by President Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren's claims of Native American ancestry.
They call her Pocahontas.
Pocahontas, Pocahontas.
Warren is now answering her campaign, releasing a DNA analysis, stating there is strong evidence the senator had a Native American in her family going back six to ten generations.
Today, President Trump was dismissive.
Senator Elizabeth Warren releasing DNA test results to back up her claims of Native American heritage.
The report indicates that Senator Warren's Native American ancestor is between six and ten generations back.
They're just lying.
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So I got to finish this story because it does go on, right?
I mean, she has done so many things with this Indian about her high cheekbones, like all the Indians have.
That was one thing she says.
So now, one of the taunts that Trump went after her with was Trump said, well, see what he said.
He said, I'll give you a million dollars if you take a DNA test and prove that you're an Indian, okay?
So here he is talking to the reporters.
Here's his reaction to this hilarious news.
This is Trump out in the rain.
No, I have no one.
I didn't say that.
You better read it again.
I hope she's running for president because I think she'd be very easy.
I hope that she is running.
I do not think she'd be difficult at all.
She'll destroy the country.
She'll make our country into Venezuela.
With that being said, I don't want to say bad things about her because I hope she would be one of the people that would get through the process.
It's going to be a long process for the Democrats.
Okay, so the press immediately jumps on this.
Oh, there's Trump lying again.
He did say he would give her a million dollars.
Here's just a sample from Anderson Cooper, a quick one.
Well, today he's asking us not to care about an insult that he repeatedly hurled at a sitting U.S. Senator, and he's asking us not to believe what we saw him say on tape in front of a crowd of thousands of people.
Also late today, he tried blaming the target, saying she, not he, owes the country an apology, but we'll have more on that in a moment.
Keep in mind, it's textbook gaslighting.
We've talked about this before, asking people to not believe what they see and hear, challenging reality.
Textbook Gaslighting00:03:14
Textbook gaslighting, because they're not telling the truth.
Here is what Trump actually said.
I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.
Okay, if you take the test and it proves you're an Indian, it doesn't prove, it proves she's a white girl.
That's what it proves.
It is the test that says you are a white girl.
It could have just come back with that.
You're white.
Bingo, you are white.
Unless we're going to go back to the days of real bigotry when they say, well, you know, you have a drop of black blood and you can't come in here.
But even if that were the case, even if we were living under those prejudiced days, this would not suffice because no one would be able to see it or know it or tell that it was there.
Trump is utterly, completely, totally right.
She is utterly, completely, totally scamming you and the networks are lying.
And so what else are they lying about?
Well, it's everything.
It is everything they're lying about.
Speaking of which, if you want to hear some truth told, it is finally time.
We had to skip a week because everybody was so busy putting together another kingdom, but we've finally gotten back to the lefties dictionary.
We are up to J. Let us find out what J is for.
J is for jihad.
According to leftists, jihad is a much misunderstood concept in the West.
Due to Islamophobia, many bigoted Westerners have come to fear the word jihad unnecessarily.
A proper reading of the Quran reveals that jihad is a spiritual struggle during which a Muslim attempts to rise to a higher plane of consciousness by slaughtering unbelievers, raping their women, taking over their civilizations, and persecuting and oppressing them until they're all dead.
Thus, to oppose jihad is to thwart the spiritual development of a religious believer.
You wouldn't want to thwart someone's spiritual development, would you?
Of course not.
That would be wrong.
There are over 150 verses concerning jihad in the Quran.
Almost all of them refer to waging war against unbelievers.
But it's a metaphor for spiritual struggle with a lot of severed heads and dead bodies and wailing women and so forth, but only in a metaphorical spiritual sense.
In short, jihad is a religious concept, and religion is sacred.
That's why it's called religion.
If it weren't sacred, it would not be called religion, but something else like killing and raping people.
Then you would be able to oppose it.
But as long as it's called religion, you must submit to being killed and raped.
That's in the Constitution.
Unless any foul Jews or Christians go around feeling superior to anybody, just remember the Bible has lots of ugly things in it too.
Like when Jesus went on the crusades and murdered gay people, or when the Jews conquered Canaan and then became big shot doctors and charged everyone an arm and a leg just for a lousy checkup.
So really, when you think about it, it's Jews and Christians who are the evil ones and Muslims who are nice.
Except for the whole jihad slaughtering and raping people thing, which is very spiritual for the Muslim.
For everyone else, it's just being killed and raped.
Also known as jihad.
J is for jihad.
Things Are Complicated00:15:48
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So the other thing that I've talked about that the press does besides just out and out lying is they take snapshots of a moving train.
Situations are always developing, always changing.
And what they're always doing is looking for that moment that they can freeze so that they can attack Trump.
So when NAFTU was going on, remember the Canadians were left out and he kept saying, don't worry about it, don't worry about it.
And they kept saying, oh, he's leaving the Canadians out.
It's all bogus.
All fake, and then the Canadians came to the table.
It was a moving negotiation.
Well, now we've got this Khashoggi thing, Jamal Khashoggi, the journalist, the Washington Post columnist who seems to have been murdered in Turkey in the Saudi consulate.
And it's still developing, and the press is using this to hammer Trump.
He doesn't care.
All he cares about is the money because we have arms deals.
This is not true.
First of all, the thing is getting more and more complex.
As we understand more about who Khashoggi is, it really does seem that he was kind of in with the Saudi royal family.
Plus, he was a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.
And the problem is in the Middle East, things are complex, that he believed that the Muslim Brotherhood was a force for democracy, which is probably true.
It is probably true that the Muslim Brotherhood is a force for democracy.
When the force for democracy in your region is the Muslim Brotherhood, you're not ready for democracy.
It's simply that true.
The Muslim Brotherhood is a radical Islamic, Islamist, non-secular, theocratic group, terrorist group.
And if they're your democracy, that's not what you want.
Meanwhile, you've got this guy, MBS, they call him, Mohammed bin Salman, who is now the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, who's clearly kind of a bumbling, you know, he wants to be the glorious kind of reformer, but also the authoritarian.
He wants to fix the economy.
He's really doing a bad job of it.
So now there is a report, at least in the Wall Street Journal, that what they're going to say is that Khashoggi died during an interrogation.
It's like they killed him accidentally while they were trying to kill him.
He accidentally died while we were trying to kill him.
That's basically what they're going to say.
Because they're now stuck, right?
They need us too.
We need them.
It's not just the money.
I know Trump emphasizes that, but it's not just the money.
The Iranians are carving out territory from themselves.
The Erdoyan in Turkey is also a fan of the Muslim Brotherhood.
He's trying to bring back the Ottoman Empire with a distinct Islamist flavor.
We need the Saudi Arabians.
So what we have to do is we have to play it tough with them, but we cannot, we don't want to blow up the relationship.
That's what it comes down to.
We have to be tough with them.
We can allow them to get away with this, but we don't want to blow up the relationship.
So Trump is outside talking to the press.
He has sent Pompeo over, Secretary of State, over, which is the right thing to do.
Here he is talking to the press, telling him what he's working on.
I've asked Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, to immediately get on a plane, go to Saudi Arabia, go to other places if necessary, which he probably will.
But with regard to this, go to Turkey if necessary.
The king told me that Turkey and Saudi Arabia are working hand in hand very closely on getting to the bottom of what happened.
So we'll see what happens.
But Mike Pompeo, excuse me, Mike Pompeo is leaving literally within an hour or so.
He's heading to Saudi Arabia.
We are going to leave nothing uncovered.
With that being said, the king firmly denied any knowledge of it.
He didn't really know.
Maybe, I don't want to get into his mind, but it sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers.
Who knows?
We're going to try getting to the bottom of it very soon.
But his was a flat denial.
So obviously, Trump always likes to get along with his people.
He always wants to be in these relationships.
He talks about his love for Kim Jong-un in North Korea.
It seems even our intelligence is sort of saying that they sent people over to kill this guy.
It is completely unacceptable.
It's completely unacceptable, but it's going to be complex.
So Trump is doing the right thing in delaying for now.
Lindsey Graham, who has always been a big hawk and always been a supporter of Saudi Arabia because he knows how important they are to us in the region, he's coming down pretty hard.
And I think the stuff that he's saying, he's going after the crown prince.
He's saying the crown prince, we should focus on getting rid of him, not breaking up our relationship with Saudi Arabia.
Nothing happens in Saudi Arabia without MBS knowing it.
Who's NBS?
He's the 33-year-old crown prince who jumped over other people.
He's the son of the existing king.
And I think he's on a bad track.
I can never do business with Saudi Arabia again until we get this behind us.
And what does that mean?
That means I'm not going back to Saudi Arabia as long as this guy's in charge.
So you're telling the crown prince has to leave this up to them, but I'm not going to.
I've been their biggest defender on the floor of the United States Senate.
This guy is a wrecking ball.
He had this guy murdered in a consulate in Turkey.
And to expect me to ignore it, I feel used and abused.
I was on the floor every time defending Saudi Arabia because there's a good ally.
There's a difference between a country and an individual.
The MBS figure is to me toxic.
He can never be a world leader on the world stage.
So this is the way these guys have to talk, that senators have to talk.
They have to come down hard on this.
This is a real thing.
But all I'm saying about this is now that you know, I mean, I know that people who are listening to this know, but now that you know that basically the mainstream media is simply running a scam.
That's all they're doing.
They're running a pro-Democrat scam.
When you're watching this story develop and it's a big story and it's an interesting story and a lot is riding on it, just remember that things are much more complicated than even Lindsey Graham is saying.
I mean, he knows that this is a very delicate, difficult situation.
I don't know if they're going to get rid of the crown prince.
I don't know what they're going to do.
We're not going to let them.
I don't think we can let them get away with this kind of murder of a guy who had a green card.
He was an American resident.
He was a resident American journalist.
We do not want this happening.
But we also have to know this is a complex relationship, a complex area, and we don't want to blow things up.
So actually, I think Trump is kind of doing the right thing.
He's doing it in his usually usual blustering way.
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You all know Nick Searcy.
He is an actor and director.
He has so many credits to his name.
He's probably best known for playing Chief Deputy United States Marshal Art Mullen on Justified, one of my favorite cop shows ever.
He was great in it, and we talk about that a little bit.
He is the director of Gosnell, the trial of America's biggest serial killer story of an abortionist who got away with murder because nobody wanted to touch the subject.
Let us talk to Nick Sears.
International film and television star, Nick Searse.
I feel like I've arrived.
You finally made it.
And it's Peabody Award winning international.
I'm sorry, I left out the Peabody.
I thought everybody knows that by now.
Yeah, that, I would assume.
So it took so long for Gosnell to come out.
I forget how I got involved with it.
I think I saw them raising money on Indiegogo or something like that.
And I approached them.
How did you get involved with this?
Well, when they had the idea to raise the money on Indiegogo, they actually came to me and asked if I would do a video, just like a little ad for it.
And I did that.
And, you know, and I went on Bill O'Reilly, you know, to sort of pump the fundraising campaign.
And of course, Bill O'Reilly told me that nobody would want to see a movie about this awful subject.
Well, that was it.
And so then after they got the money, I guess that's when they came to you because you have to have money before you'll do that.
Writers get money up front because they never know, otherwise they get thrown out of their houses.
That's right.
That's right.
We're always just clinging on.
Yeah.
And so then, you know, you wrote the script.
And then after, I guess, they were done with you, they asked me if I knew any directors.
So I sent them a couple of people that I really liked, and they had meetings with them.
And for whatever reason, it didn't work out.
And then when they asked me if I knew anybody else, I submitted myself and I showed them a movie that I directed a few years ago and they watched it and asked me if I wanted to do it.
Oh, that's nice.
So the Bill O'Reilly thing, I mean, this is what we all started with.
Everybody who talked about this at the beginning was how do we make a film about this really unpleasant serial killer, abortionist serial killer, that people don't actually want to see.
Right.
So how did you deal with that?
Well, you know, well, first of all, your script was so interesting and so there was so much great information in it that I kept, I really felt like we could do it without really bombarding people with the images, that the words and the story would be powerful enough.
And so that's what we tried to do is just stick to the procedural aspect of the story, how they caught him, and then how they convicted him.
And we managed to do that by, you know, the film has a great emotional impact.
And I think that would have been diminished if we had grossed everybody out with some repulsive kind of images.
And we don't.
So that's how.
I mean, I think Bill O'Reilly was afraid or thought it was going to be some sort of thing like the human centipede or something that was just too disgusting to watch.
Well, I remember, you know, my pal Cyrus Nuasta.
You know, Cyrus.
Yeah.
You know, he made the Stony of Sarayam.
And, you know, people don't want to take their dates to a woman getting stoned.
It's a great movie.
It's a terrific movie.
But people don't want to go out on a Saturday night and see that.
But this is a crime story.
Yeah, it is.
And it works as a movie.
That's what I like most about it.
Yes, it's about this issue, but I felt we really had to make it work just as if it was a movie about any other crime.
Right, right, right.
How did Dean Kane come into it?
They approached him and he read the script and loved it and wanted to get on board.
And, you know, he was somebody I kind of thought of from the beginning because he just kind of, he actually resembles the real life guy.
He does resemble him, yeah.
Yeah.
And he's just, you know, he has a great energy for it.
You need that sort of like inquisitive, sort of boisterous, you know, person of deep conviction.
And that's what Dean is.
And he really brings that across.
I have to say, you know, he is a pal, but I still thought that Alfonso Rachel was like a revelation.
And I had no idea that he acted at that level.
I thought he was terrific.
was terrific.
You know, I remember I only really said one thing to Alfonso in the first day of shooting.
You know, we were working on this scene and I said, Zoe, don't try to be interesting.
You're interesting enough.
Just relax.
Yeah.
And after that, he just took off.
Yeah.
No, I was.
And he really, he improvised a lot of stuff that we kept, you know, because he's just so clever and quick.
And no, he's great.
He held his own with a real pro and dean, and it was great.
So you've been taking the film around.
And it seems to be, you seem to be packing houses.
And now, you know, now it's open, but what kind of reactions are you getting from the audience?
You know, it's a very powerful response that the audience has to it.
It's, it's emotional, but it's not emotional in that sort of tearjerker way.
It's just moving.
The story is moving.
And, you know, the journey of the lead prosecutor is moving.
And, you know, people have a really powerful emotional response to it.
And one of the great things is that it did a bunch of screenings in North Carolina and in Tennessee last week.
And at two different screenings, a person in the audience raised their hand and said, I'm pro-choice, and I really think this is an important movie.
Wow.
I think everybody should see this.
That is important.
That shows that you were fair.
Yeah.
And, you know, I've said from the beginning, all the information in this movie is stuff.
It doesn't matter what side of the issue you're on.
This is important information.
You need to know what we're talking about.
You know, I wonder about this when you're working with actors, because writers never get to do this.
They kind of write the thing.
And then by the time the thing is made, you're kind of on another project somewhere.
When you're talking to the actors about this, do you discuss the issues?
I mean, does that play into it at any point?
Yeah, I mean, there's a little bit of that, but it's never like, you know, we don't discuss them like we're arguing about it.
It's more just like they come up in the course of what is this character trying to do and what is he trying to accomplish in this scene and that kind of thing.
Because by the time you get to actually shooting the movie, there isn't a lot of time to argue about anything.
You're in a bore and you've got to get the thing done.
Oh, okay.
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Now, you, I mean, I was first introduced to you on Twitter, where I remember the first words I ever said to you in person were, oh my God, the meanest man on Twitter.
Now, it turns out you're actually a fairly civilized human being.
Apply that well.
I mean, on Twitter, you are as open, you and James Woods.
I mean, you're the two most open conservatives on Twitter.
Yes.
My Twitter life is like I'm a heel wrestler and I'm out there trying to get hit.
And the more people that hate me, the better.
That's the way I look at it.
Now, does that, I mean, Woods lost his agent at some point.
Has this hurt you at all?
Well, I haven't lost my agents.
You know, they, and it's not like they don't know who I am.
Right.
So I'm sure it may have affected me in some way.
I don't know.
Yeah.
It's not like they call me up and tell me when they don't give me a job.
Right.
Right.
You know, they don't tell you why.
Were you always a conservative?
Pretty much.
I mean, I think in my early, in my 20s and 30s, I was so focused on getting an acting career going that I really didn't think about politics that much.
But I was kind of a default conservative, I would think.
You know, I grew up, my parents were Republicans, and so I kind of had that, you know, backstory.
And so then when my wife and I had our first child, that's when I really started paying attention to politics and figured out that I was on that side.
One of my, I've said this to you before, one of my favorite moments of all time, seriously, of all time on television.
I mean, justified one of the great shows of all time.
And you played Art Mullins, who was the boss.
I can't remember you were lieutenant, maybe?
I can't remember your rank.
Chief Deputy.
Chief Deputy.
Sorry, that's right because he was a U.S. Marshal.
So you were staking a place out and you're sitting in your car and you were listening to Rush Limbaugh.
And I thought only you could have pulled that off.
Did that come from you?
Did you do that?
Well, what happened was the year before, the season before that, Rush mentioned the show on his television program, on his radio show.
And he mentioned me by name.
He said, you know, my favorite character, Art Mullen, came back.
Next Thursday plays it.
And I was like, everybody's calling me.
Like, Rush just mentioned you on the air.
Yeah, that'll light up your body.
I've had that out.
And so I was Twitter friends with David Limbaugh, and I wrote to him.
I said, does Rush want me to come on or something?
And like that afternoon, Bo Snerdley called and they set up something and I went on and I was interviewed on the show by Rush because he was such a fan of Justified.
And I would tell everybody, I was on longer than Dick Cheney was.
But after that, like the writers of the show came up to me and said, hey, we listened to your interview on the Rush Limbaugh show.
I said, oh, you did?
Am I fired?
And they go, no, no, we think you should keep doing it.
I said, yeah, because I'm pulling in all that audience.
You guys have been driving away for 20 years.
They really do.
Yeah.
And so, but then the next season, they wrote that in.
And I told Rush, I think that's the first time in television history that a character has been listening to Rush Limbaugh on the air, and he wasn't a serial killer or something awful.
Well, that's what made it amazing.
You were the moral center of the show.
I mean, because he, the Marshall, now forgot his name.
He'll tell me.
Timothy.
Oh, yeah.
Raylon Gibbons.
Raylan Gibbons, yeah.
You know, he was kind of a wild man.
He'd go off the reservation sometime, but you were always the moral center of the show.
And to have the moral center of a television show, listening to Rush Limbaugh, was revolutionary.
I mean, that was actually amazing.
I don't think they really knew what they were doing when they did that.
I don't know.
But those guys are the writers of that show.
The head writer, Graham, is a close friend.
And, you know, they all know me very well.
So, no, I mean, I've always wondered this about actors because writers, your voice goes into everything.
So anything you're writing is going to come out, you know, directly out of you.
Now, obviously, that's true that you bring yourself to a character, but you don't have a say over the general tone or theme of the work that you're in.
Is there anything you wouldn't do?
Is there a movie that you would look at and say, no, I'm not going to play that part because he's saying things I can't stand.
Well, you know, I'm not really scared of much of anything in terms of as long as the character makes sense.
Right.
Like, you know, if like I go back to the human centipede because I think that's one of the funniest things that's ever been created.
But I go back to what Eric Roberts said about it.
He said, whenever they ask me why I did the human centipede, I'm going to say I did it for the back end.
But I mean, as long as the character makes sense, if I can get into his head, because otherwise it's just some sort of cartoonish psychopath that's not interesting.
Right, right, right.
You know, but that's kind of where I draw the line.
I mean, I don't mind playing real monsters as long as I can understand where they're coming from.
What about the overall theme?
Like in the shape of water, you know, there was this kind of overall, you felt as a conservative, I mean, obviously a beautifully made movie and wonderfully acted and you were great.
But at the same time, as a conservative, you felt you were getting this little bit of like tolerance lesson that you've heard.
Does it ever bug you that you are like a part of that or do you just do your part and go?
You know, I always feel like when I sign on to a project, I'm there to help a person tell the story.
And I feel like people have the right to tell the stories that they want to tell.
And, you know, like I said, if I can understand the character, I thought I was the good guy in shape of water.
You know, I thought I was reading a story all the way.
That made more sense to me than anybody else in the movie.
Right, right.
So, and, you know, that's kind of how I go about it.
I mean, there certainly have been some things that I've read in the past that I said, I don't want to do that because of the tone of it.
But, you know, like I say, I think people have the right to tell their stories.
You know, one of the things that stuns me about Hollywood, and people who've never worked in Hollywood, have never gone near it.
They're always saying all Hollywood cares about is money, which really isn't true.
I mean, there is a lot of ideology going on.
And here are, I can't remember the exact number of the people who voted for Trump, 63 million people who can't find, watch a comedian because they're all insulting them, you know, basically can't go to the movies because they're all insulting them.
They're leaving a lot of money on the ground.
If you could like write down, this is how to transform the culture, what would you say?
What would you say to conservatives?
How do you get, at least I don't want liberal movies to go away.
I want just everybody to get a chance to tell a story.
How would you engineer that?
I would say just, you know, tell stories that interest you.
Tell stories that appeal to your values, but just tell them straightforwardly.
Don't feel like you have to beat the message into people.
They'll get it.
Even, I mean, the best kind of liberal movies, some of them do.
And then the ones that do beat their message into you are bad and you can't stand it.
But like the shape of water, it doesn't beat you over the head with it.
It's there.
Right.
And I think that's the key.
And the way the society has been so bifurcated now with liberals on one side making their products and conservatives on the other side making theirs.
Conservatives have to find a way, a pathway to get their movies out there, to get their television shows on the air somehow.
And that's why Gosnell, I mean, you know, we shot it three years ago.
It's amazing.
You wrote it four years ago.
And it took us this long to get it to the screen because there isn't a pathway for our kind of movie.
You had to make your own way.
Did you face headwinds?
Did you face people who just said, we will not do this because it's about abortion?
I'm told that.
I didn't have anything to do with the producing end of things after I directed it.
But yeah, I'm told that they did get a lot of people commenting things like, this is a really good movie, but we're not going to be the ones to put it out.
Do you feel that now will this open up other avenues for you?
Because I mean, you're a good director.
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No, you are.
And I would think that people I know are always looking for directions.
They're not that thick on the ground.
I hope so.
I mean, I certainly have a couple of projects I'm pitching in different places and one script I've already written and that I want to do.
So it's a matter of if Gosnell does well and I get a reputation going as a director, that would be wonderful.
I'd love to do it again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nick, it's always great to see you and talk to you.
You're so much nicer in person than you are on Twitter.
I know.
It's a failing.
But I'm glad that I was able to elevate your show.
You've elevated your show and elevated my script as well.
You're just popping me up entirely.
I'm helping you out as much as I can, Andrew.
Thanks a lot.
I'll talk to you again.
One of the hilarious things about Needy Nick is if you read his tweets, he's so mean.
And then you meet him, he's just one of the nicest people in town.
All right, go see Gosnell while you're doing all these other claviness.
You could just bathe yourself in claviness for the next several weeks, and it would improve your life, actually.
Sexual follies.
So a federal judge in L.A. has thrown out Stormy Daniels' defamation lawsuit against Trump on free speech grounds.
This is where she was saying that she had been defamed by him.
This is Michael Avenatti engineered this yet another disaster, right?
She said that she was being threatened to stay quiet and she sent this man after and he made fun of her on Twitter.
Trump made fun of her on Twitter saying a sketch years later about a non-existent man, a total conjob, playing the fake news media for fools, but they know it.
And the court said, listen, this is rhetorical hyperbole normally associated with politics and public discourse in the U.S. You can't sue somebody for saying, for basically practicing normal speech.
This Michael Avenati, oh, and he said that Stormy Daniels had to pay Trump's court fees.
So that's a real slap in the kisser.
Michael Avenatti is a disaster.
But the reason I included this in sexual follies, first of all, it was followed by Donald Trump tweeting with his, just that kind of elegance and restraint that we always expect from our president.
Federal judge throws out Stormy Daniels lawsuit versus Trump.
Trump is entitled to full legal fees.
Now I can go after Horseface and her third lawyer in the great state of Texas, to which the porn star returned, ladies and gentlemen, this is her tweet.
May I present your president?
In addition to his um shortcomings, he has demonstrated his incompetence, hatred of women, and lack of self-control on Twitter again, and perhaps a penchant for bestiality.
Where did that come from?
And then she ends game on tiny.
So just so we know that, you know, our presidency, our public life and discourse is being elevated by these people.
The thing that always gets me about Stormy Daniels is what is her story?
She had a consensual relationship that she instigated with a billionaire, right?
She then blackmailed him into paying her off.
He paid her off and she agreed not to say anything.
And then she said stuff.
So she's like a completely disreputable person.
On Trump's side of it, he is what we always knew he was, a billionaire playboy, right?
That's the way he behaves.
We knew that when we elected him.
So what are we learning from this, except that Michael Avenatti is like obviously a Republican operative working within the Democrat Party to destroy them?
I think this is like, this is actually a win for Trump.
He should just keep his mouth shut now.
But it is amazing what our public sexual discourse.
I just want to remind you that years ago, let's say 30 years ago, the press was saying, well, we have to cover sex now because it addresses character.
It addresses the character issue.
What have we learned?
We already know what Trump's character is.
We know completely what his character is.
This hasn't taught us anything.
It's just sex.
It is just people selling sex and selling it at its lowest, most disgraceful, most disgusting, most disgusting version of it.
It really is, it's degrading to the press.
It's degrading to our discourse.
It's degrading to everybody.
Michael Avenati should just go home.
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