Andrew Clavin and Michael Knowles dissect leftist culture’s collapse, exposing hypocrisy in free speech claims—like silencing Alex Jones while defending diversity—while linking Trump’s rise to feminist culture’s rejection of traditional masculinity. They mock "Rise for Roe" rallies, citing debunked abortion statistics (e.g., Dr. Bernard Nathanson’s fabricated deaths) and Chelsea Clinton’s $3.5T economic claim, contrasting it with pro-life momentum. Satirizing communist propaganda in films like The Last Black Man in San Francisco, they end by framing leftist idealism as detached from reality, exemplified by a blogger killed by ISIS who dismissed "evil" as fiction. [Automatically generated summary]
Journalists are afraid that Donald Trump is a danger to free speech and feel that anyone who disagrees should be banned from social media.
Alexandria Google Eyes-Cortez is afraid that Donald Trump is a danger to free speech and her rallies are now off limits to journalists who are afraid that Donald Trump is a danger to free speech.
Late night comedians are afraid Donald Trump is a danger to diversity, so every single one of them is making jokes about Donald Trump because they all believe the same thing.
None of the comedians is making jokes about Google Eyes Cortez, who has banned journalists who are afraid Donald Trump is a danger to free speech, while conservatives are being banned from social media by leftists who are not a danger to free speech because they're banning the speech of conservatives who are a danger to free speech because they are banning the speech of no one.
And TFA is against fascists, so they are wearing masks and beating people up who disagree with them because people who disagree with them are fascists who journalists feel are a danger to free speech because they aren't beating anyone up but are being banned from social media because they are a danger to the free speech of journalists who are united in being in favor of diversity because they all believe the same thing, which is that Donald Trump is a danger to free speech because he is criticizing journalists, which journalists feel is a danger to free speech because it's free speech.
Alex Jones is a crazy conspiracy theorist, and so powerful social media corporations have conspired to silence him because he has proved himself to be a danger to free speech because he hasn't silenced anyone and believes in conspiracies which have silenced him.
So in general, I think we can safely say that leftists believe conservatives are a danger to free speech and so they silence them because leftists believe that free speech is a danger to free speech.
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So, you know, I'm not the first person to notice this, but obviously we know that when the left accuses you of something, it's usually something they do.
They're very big on projection.
They accuse the right of racism because they think everything is about race because they're racist.
So they accuse us of racism because they're racist.
They accuse us of sexism and they treat women feminists, especially.
They treat women like these irrational little flowers who fold up as anything.
It's like, I mean, we don't do that, but they accuse us of that.
But the important one that they're doing now to Donald Trump is they accuse us of going insane because they are going insane.
I mean, they are going nuts.
You know, we are in the midst.
You know, when conservatives are very bad at discussing the culture, they really do not know the culture.
And I despair of it because even our brightest guys who seem to be talking about the culture sometimes are not doing it very well.
And one of the things that we mistake is we mistake the products of the last culture, which is like what's happening now, Donald Trump, who's the product of the culture of the last 50 years, with the culture, what's happening in the culture now.
Donald Trump is the creation.
What we're experiencing now is the breakdown of feminist culture.
We're watching the feminist culture of the last decades collapse.
So the minute Donald Trump took office, we had women walking around the streets with hats, which represented the fact that their vaginas are now where their brains are supposed to be.
So we're watching feminist culture break down entirely, the Me Too movement.
We're suddenly finding, oh, all those guys who support, even the woman, that actress who was the head of the Me Too movement has now been charged with abusing a guy.
We're finding out that feminist sexuality and feminism in the workplace didn't really work out that well for women.
So it's all kind of, that's all kind of breaking down.
But Trump is a creation of feminist culture because feminism, you know how they say with guns that if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
Well, under feminist culture, they outlawed masculinity.
So only outlaws could be masculine.
And if you look back at the culture of the last, I don't know, 20, 30 years, what are the shows that feature the most masculine men?
You get the Sopranos, you get Breaking Bad.
I was at the Sony lot pitching a television show to this woman.
And I look out the window, this producer, and I look out the window and there's a van outside.
And people are walking up to this van and touching it like it is the true cross.
I mean, seriously.
And finally, as I finished my pitch, I said, what is that?
What is that?
And she said, that's the van where the guy in Breaking Bad cooks the meth.
And I said, they're worshiping the van of a meth dealer.
That's what we're doing.
And if you watch Breaking Bad, people always say that I've heard this from a dozen women in Hollywood who work in Hollywood.
They'll say to me, well, people support and have sympathy with the meth dealer in Breaking Bad because he's doing it for his family.
That's not why.
If you watch the first episode of Breaking Bad, he's a wimp.
He is henpecked.
His wife controls him.
Everybody dominates him.
And what we watch is through becoming a meth dealer, he becomes a man.
And that's why he's appealing.
Tony Soprano, the reason we follow him, is because he's a man.
Donald Trump is a product of a culture in which only outlaws can be men.
That is why he is so disturbing to us when he does the stuff he does.
And yet, we support him and we sympathize with him because we see that they outlawed being a man.
And this is a guy who comes in and says, I don't care what you say about me.
I don't care.
You know, did I say the N-word, too bad, pal?
That's too bad.
You know, it's just, I'm not going to let you tell me what to say.
I'm not going to let you tell me what to think.
I'm not going to let you tell me what to do.
And like, what we do and what has happened now since that outlaw male has triumphed, the breaking bad guy is essentially running the country, although he's not an outlaw in the sense of criminal.
He's just an outlaw in the sense that he's against the culture.
The left has gone insane.
It's gone insane.
You know, I hear people sometimes say, I heard Ben say this.
He said that a man who thinks he's a woman, a transgender man, is mentally ill.
I don't think he's mentally ill.
He may have physical things.
We don't know what's going on inside him.
He may not be mentally ill.
But the guy who tells you he's a woman because he says so, he's mentally ill and he's the editor of the New York Times.
The people who are talking on air are nuts.
And so that's what they are accusing Donald Trump of.
They are, you know, you want to see how nuts they are.
I put together, we had the guys here put together a little montage of what they're just saying this weekend about Donald Trump.
Here is the nutball montage from the left.
In Nazi Germany, Hitler told people what they were going to do and assumed that no one was going to get in his way.
And Donald Trump has assumed that no one would get in his way.
And so far, if you look at the silence of Congress, he's right.
This is a white supremacist country, and we have to deal with that every day in everything in how we relate to the police and how we relate to jobs and how we relate to the criminal justice system and everything.
I believe he wants to start a race war in this country.
Well, he's rounding people up and murdering them without any due process.
He'd certainly like to.
I don't think you can say that definitively.
Get out.
That's the left over one weekend.
Katie Tour saying, well, he's not rounding up people and killing him.
And the woman who says that he is, he'd like to.
He'd like to be rounding up.
That's a woman from Knucklehead Row.
That's Michelle Goldberg from the New York Times.
These people are looney tunes, okay?
They are loony tunes.
So over the weekend, there's this story.
And by the way, Molly Hemingway, I got to point this out.
Molly Hemingway has said she had a tweet that came out.
If you think of media coverage and other resistance activity as a Westworld-like loop where they alone are unaware they're repeating themselves, it all makes more sense.
They're on the obstruction loop.
They're on the obstruction loop.
They'll soon hit the 25th Amendment one again.
That's where you replace the president because he's nuts.
Okay.
So that was something she said like a year ago.
That was something Molly said like a year ago.
So over the weekend, Maggie Haberman and her colleague at the New York Times, they write a story.
And let's remember that Maggie Haberman, there was a, in January 2015, there was a strategic memo from the Clinton campaign, from the Clinton campaign.
The memo is called Shaping a Public Narrative.
This is from Cheryl Atkinson book, right?
And Clinton officials described Maggie Haberman, who then worked for Politico, as an ideal, friendly journalist willing to generate positive press for the Clinton campaign.
We feel that it's important to go with what is safe and what has worked in the past.
We've had a very good relationship with Maggie Haberman of Politico over the past year.
We've had her tee up stories for us and have never been disappointed.
That's Maggie Haberman.
Now she's the New York Times White House correspondent.
And they hired her after this stuff came out, right?
So, ooh, there's a Clinton operative.
There's a Clinton toady.
Put her on the White House to cover Trump.
I guess maybe they thought she was going to be covering, I don't know, did they hire her after Trump?
I can't remember.
But maybe they thought she was going to be covering Clinton so they could give her all the love they wanted to give her.
So now they run a story about Donald McGahn, who is White House counsel, that he's talking to Robert Mueller.
And that's a breathless story from Maggie Haberman and one other reporter.
And it's about he's, he, he, that McGann has given a mix of damaging and favorable information about the president, but he said Mr. Trump did not go beyond his legal authority as a president, but he's been given all this stuff.
And the original story was just full of like this thing that McGann had become John Dean.
He's turning it all over to the Mueller investigation.
So Trump, you know, is furious and he goes off and he tweets.
And he says, the failing New York Times wrote a fake piece today implying that because White House counsel Don McGahn was giving hours of testimony to the special counsel, he must be a John Dean type rat.
But I allowed him and all the others to testify and have demanded transparency so this rigged and disgusting witch hunt can come to a close.
So many lives have been ruined over nothing.
McCarthyism at its worst, yet Mueller and his gang of Dems refuse to look at the real crimes on the other side, and the media is even worse.
So, first of all, in order for McGann to testify to Robert Mueller, he's the White House counsel, right?
So, they have to waive executive privilege.
So, Donald Trump waives executive privilege.
It is proof positive that what he is saying is true, that he let the guy go over there.
And so, what the Times does is they put together stuff from Steve Bannon.
Steve Bennon said, oh, we shouldn't waive executive privilege.
It's dangerous.
Basically, they put together this idea that Trump allowed this to happen, but somehow it's all gone out of control.
And Trump objects because it's a phony story.
It's a ridiculous story.
The way it is written is ridiculous and false.
And also, on top of which, where's the information coming in from?
It's got to be coming from Mueller, right?
It's got to be coming from the Mueller investigation.
So Trump goes off and he puts out, I don't know, his usual number of tweets just absolutely condemning this.
So remember what Molly said.
Molly said, first they go for obstruction of justice, and this is what they say Mueller is investigating.
When that doesn't stick, it's he's crazy.
So in reaction to this, Joe Scarborough tweets, anyone who has known Trump for years and doesn't have a stake in his political career or the GOP says the same.
He is unwell and has been getting progressively worse over the past 18 months.
Molly's right.
They're in Westworld.
They're playing out.
They're robots, playing out the resistance loop, and they don't know it.
Here's Brian Stelter saying the same thing.
There's so much wrong with these tweets.
He even misspells the word counsel.
And it doesn't stop there.
Here are six of the tweets today.
At one point, he's comparing Mueller to Joseph McCarthy.
You'd look at this if you were in some other foreign capital and you'd say, is the president okay?
Is he all right?
He's nuts.
He's a crazy man.
They're saying he's Hitler.
I remember, by the way, that was Reagan's daughter.
I remember when Reagan was Hitler.
I remember when George W. Bush was Hitler.
Everybody that disagrees with the left is Hitler.
And then they have, you know, they really, they just have to pay the president some respect, I think.
R-E-S-P-I-C-T.
Maybe they should pay him some respect.
I don't know.
Whatever.
He says, this is who we're dealing with.
These are their best guys.
And they're yelling about Trump is insane.
And then, and then, I love this stuff.
This is just, they are so comical at this point.
Chuck Todd has Rudy Giuliani on.
You know, let's think about this for a minute, right?
The Mueller investigation is clearly linking to Clinton, Tody, Maggie Haberman at the New York Times.
Clearly, they're leaking, which should be illegal.
I think it is illegal to do.
And so now, so they're obviously looking to get him on obstruction of justice.
And of course, once you are interviewed by the feds, make a mistake, say something that's a little overblown.
And, you know, Trump is not exactly the most precise guy in his speech.
Trump goes in there and is interviewed by Mueller.
They get him online because he says, oh, you know, yeah, I remember how my crowds were bigger than Obama's.
They go out and find an O's crowds worth 15 people less.
And they bring him up on federal charges.
And so Giuliani is trying to protect him.
So Chuck Todd brings Giuliani on, and Giuliani is trying to explain to him that, you know, you can get caught in a perjury trap even if you're not committing real perjury, the kind of perjury that we think of as perjury.
So he gets him, they get talking, and here's what Giuliani says.
Look, I'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury.
And when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry.
Well, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth.
He didn't have a conversation.
Truth is true.
I don't mean to go like.
No, it isn't truth.
Truth isn't truth.
The president of the United States says, I didn't.
Truth isn't truth.
Mr. Mayor, do you realize what I know?
No, this is going to become like that.
Don't do this to me.
You see, Giuliani knows exactly what happens.
He said something a little awkward because Chuck Todd said truth is truth, which obviously is not true in a case like this.
In a case like this, it's who says what and where they can set you up and how they can get you.
And so he says, truth isn't truth.
And so that becomes the big headline, just like, just exactly like Mitt Romney saying, I put women in binders.
I had all these women in binders.
And suddenly that became proof that Mitt Romney was abusing these poor women, shoving them into binders.
Just all you can see was their high heels coming out of the binder.
It was disgusting.
It was a horrible, horrible.
It's like an atrocity, you know, an atrocity.
Because they own the echo chamber.
So they can take that out of context where he was clearly saying you only get a version of the truth.
You don't get the truth from people.
They take it out of context and they think, oh my gosh, we have him.
We've got him.
It's the echo chamber.
He's in the echo chamber.
And they're going to repeat this forever.
They're going to repeat this forever.
What they don't understand, they have not gotten yet, is that Trump has an echo chamber too.
And some people on the right who are so anti-Trump, they don't understand that this is a good thing.
It is a good thing that Trump is creating another kind of echo chamber.
They don't understand.
We're not listening to them anymore.
They're nuts.
They're sitting around saying that Trump is Hitler.
They're saying he wants to round people up and shoot them.
They're saying he wants to start a race war.
They're saying they're living my favorite.
They're living in the handmaid's tale.
I just have this picture of these left-wing billionaire matrons sitting out on Martha's Vineyard saying, Yes, it's terrible.
You know what I mean?
It's like in the handmaid's tale, darling.
Would you bring me another cocktail, please?
Yes, we're in the handmaids.
You know, they're living in this imaginary world and they think we're going to join them too.
And then when Trump strikes back, it's like daddy's home.
When Trump strikes back, it's like, oh, he hit him.
Oh, my, you know, it's like, you know, the little kid who annoys you and annoys you and annoys you, and you finally give him a smack and it's like, what did you do to me?
You know, that's what they act like.
He takes away this perfidious gas bag, John Brennan, is accusing a CIX-CIA director and communist, accusing the president of treason, right?
And Trump says, you know, that's out of line.
I'm taking away your security clearance so you can't go around cashing in on your government service by calling the president of the United States, you know, treason.
So the gas bag tries to pull this back.
First, he tries to pull it back.
And even on MSNBC, they're calling him on the fact that he called the president a traitor.
So here he is trying to dial it back.
For the president of the United States to continue to prevaricate on this issue, I think, does a great injustice and a disservice to the men and women of the intelligence law enforcement community and does a great disservice to the citizens of the United States.
And that's why I said it was nothing short of treasonous.
I didn't mean that he committed treason, but it was a term that I used, nothing short of treasonous.
Well, you didn't mean that he committed treason, though.
I said it's nothing short of treasonous.
That was the term that I used.
Yeah.
That's that.
If we diagram the sentence, nothing short of treasonous means it's treason.
Rachel Maddow, that is Maddow, right?
It's not Knowles.
That's Maddow.
Yeah, no, Rachel Maddow says, Robert, Michael Knowles, a lookalike Rachel Maddow, herself is saying, if you say it's nothing short of treasonous, he committed treason.
Well, I didn't say he committed treason, but then Chuck Todd has him on and he's back again.
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This is like where this guy is.
After getting one smack in the face, he's suddenly a toddler who doesn't know what he's talking about.
Do you regret essentially accusing the president of treason?
Do you regret some of the things you have said?
I called his behavior treasonous, which is to betray one's trust and to aid and abet the enemy.
And I stand very much by that claim.
You are the former CIA director accusing the sitting president of the United States.
It's not a private citizen.
A lot of people hear the former CIA director accusing the sitting president of the United States of treason.
That's a monumental accusation.
Well, I think these are abnormal times.
See, even Chuck Todd knows you've got to pay the president some respect.
R-E-S-P-I-C-T.
Of course.
Of course.
Of course, respects.
You've got to pay the president some respects because without respect, the whole world, you know, if we don't respect one another, the whole world falls apart.
What I love is, you know, John Brennan, the reason he's such a gas bag is because he was at the center of a conspiracy to use our intelligence services to spy on a political candidate.
That is what he did.
He pushed, he pushed this completely unproven steel document, these unproven allegations from the opposition party.
He pushed them on Comey.
He leaked them to the press.
He did all this stuff and he knows it.
And he's basically covering it up with all this gas baggery.
So now there's suddenly a danger to these guys that their gas baggery is going to cost them their very expensive security clearance.
And suddenly, you watch them, they're scrambling like roaches.
James Clapper, who's also involved in this, who also, like John Brennan, lied to Congress under oath, right?
This is another guy who lied to Congress under oath, and they're talking to us about how evil Donald Trump is.
I don't think Donald Trump has lied to anybody under oath.
I haven't seen him do that.
They call him a liar, but he hasn't perjured himself that I've seen.
Here's James Clapper dumping his fellow spy.
He's throwing John Brennan under the bus.
Male, John is sort of like a freight train, and he's going to say what's on his mind.
I think, though, that the common denominator among all of us that have been speaking up, though, is genuine concern about the jeopardy or threats to institutions and values.
And although we may express that in different ways.
And I think that's what this really is about.
But John and his rhetoric have become, I think, an issue in and of itself.
John and his rhetoric have become an issue in and of itself.
Sounds like John Brennan is losing some of his colleagues' respect.
Yes, P-I-C-T.
I can't stop.
I can't stop it.
I'm just like, oh, my goodness, respect, respect.
So these guys expect us to expect us to respect them.
And yet they're calling Trump insane and they are going insane.
They're going insane because their culture is falling apart.
Their culture is genuinely falling apart.
Every word they told us about women was untrue.
Every word they told us about men, untrue.
Most of the stuff they told us about the treatment of black people after a certain period in American history where there was shameful treatment of black people everywhere, but here too.
All of it, untrue.
And those lies are falling apart.
And Trump, because he is an outlaw male, because he is doing that thing that we kind of respected and liked when we watched The Sopranos, when we watched Breaking Bad, he's doing that thing where he is breaking the rules, the rules that they establish, they're falling apart.
Their culture is collapsing inward and they're going nuts.
I mean, what you are looking, when somebody at the New York Times, which used to be a newspaper, right?
I'm not kidding about this.
When I call it a former newspaper, back in the 80s, say, the New York Times was a newspaper reporting the news.
A little left-wing leaning, sure, but I mean, it was not peddling fake news.
Now, it is peddling fake news.
They have a thing, you know, there are these new documents coming in about Bruce Orr, and we are going to find out some tremendous stuff about this guy, right?
This is the guy who was the Associate Deputy Attorney General, number four, at the Justice Department.
His wife worked for Fusion GPS.
Remember the OPO research team that went after Trump paid by Hillary Clinton and the DNC and also was related to that Russian lawyer whose name I can never pronounce who had the meeting with Don Jr.
So they're in the thick of this OPO operation against Donald Trump.
Bruce Orr's wife, Nellie, works for them.
She's feeding information to him.
He's feeding information direct from the head of Fusion GPS to the FBI, okay?
Long after Steele has been fired and is not supposed to be working for them.
He's still pumping this anti-Trump information into him.
And Kimberly Strassel, who has been really on top of this at the Wall Street Journal, writes a whole piece about this.
The New York Times, the New York Times runs a story headlined, Embracing Conspiracy Theory, Trump Escalates Attack on Bruce Orr.
Now, Bruce Orr, remember, number four at the Justice Department as a big deal, has since been demoted.
So this is their lead.
President Trump threatened on Friday to quickly revoke the security clearance of Bruce Orr, a little-known Justice Department official.
And they go on in this vein forever, trying to convince us that Bruce Orr is a nobody.
It's just a conspiracy theory.
I mean, and this is because this is to insulate Orr from these new documents that have just been turned over after a massive fight with Congress.
After a massive fight, they have finally extracted Orr's notes and his emails and all that stuff.
By the end of this week, I think we will know a lot of stuff that went on that is absolutely shameful, and the New York Times is running interference for it.
If you work for the New York Times, if you work for the New York Times, you wake up every morning to work with liars and clowns.
I mean, that is what you do.
That is who you are.
You know, like I come here, and sure, I work with Knowles, but otherwise, I work with a bunch of really good, honest people.
We argue, we discuss, we try and be fair.
If I'm not fair, Shapiro will come in here and tell me.
I will tell him.
We will talk about these things constantly.
At the New York Times, you are working for people who lie.
You are a liar working for people who lie.
That is the thing.
So when they say that Trump's a liar, and look, Trump ain't honest Abe.
Nobody's going to say that he is.
Trump is not honest Abe Lincoln.
Trump exaggerates, he ducks, he dives, especially when he's done something wrong and he's caught, he lies outwardly.
But he's up against crazy lying people.
That's who he's up against.
And they're calling him crazy.
They're calling him a liar because that's what the left does.
They project their faults on to you.
Hey, do we, when is Knowles' conversation?
Wednesday, I would think.
It's tomorrow.
It's tomorrow.
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Yeah.
So tomorrow, tune in the conversation.
I don't have the copy in front of me, but I think it's at 5.30 Eastern, is that it?
Or 2.30 Pacific time?
And Alicia will be talking to Knowles, and Knowles will tell you everything he knows.
So it should be, what, about a three-minute, four-minute show?
No, no.
Knowles, and I want you to hammer him about the Catholic Church this week.
Don't let him off the hook on this Catholic Church.
I want to see him dance.
I want it to be like one of those Westerns where you shoot at the guy's feet, say, dance, partner, dance.
All right, we're going to bring Knowles on in just a minute, but I got to say goodbye to Facebook and YouTube.
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All right, Knowles, how you doing?
I'm here.
Hey, thanks for all the kind words I assume you were saying about me.
I couldn't hear the early part of the show, but I assume it was all very nice.
I was lavishing, lavishing praise.
I told them to come after you on your conversation tomorrow.
I told them to come after you for the Catholic Church.
And I want you to be personally blamed for that.
I think that's fair enough.
You know, I realized that one of the unpopular realizations of this whole Catholic scandal is that the main guy to blame is the devil.
And people regularly confuse me with the devil.
I think that's totally fair.
Why is that?
There's just a strange resemblance.
I love my hair.
I got my teeth.
My fangs.
I will say, though, I have to be kind to you, you are doing a great job on Another Kingdom.
We've now done three episodes, right?
I think we're three in now, yeah.
So we're getting ready to roll early October, I think, is our date.
This is, I'm really excited for this.
I hope people binge the first season so that they're caught up on it.
But you don't really need to be.
You can dive right into this.
It totally holds up.
The story is better this season than the first time.
It's a good story.
There are not many sequels that are better than the original.
It's The Godfather, right?
Pocahontas.
I don't know.
There are a few.
But this one really is so fun.
And, you know, from last year doing this in your attic while we're sweating and police sirens are going by, to now we've got some really cool stuff planned for visual aspects and sets.
And it's pretty high quality.
The visual aspects are incredible.
I mean, Rebecca Shapiro, the talented Shapiro, is doing some of the, it really looks great.
Anyway, but that has nothing to do with what I cruelly sent you out to today to cover, what is it called?
Rise for Row?
Rise for Row.
No, Rise for Row.
They're so clever because it's Roe v. Wade.
We have to celebrate killing all those babies.
I love that.
I saw there was some ice cream.
Did you see that?
Did you see this, the abortion ice cream from Narrow or something?
Oh, I did see this.
Yes.
Rocky Row, I think is what it looks like.
Rocky Road.
It's Rocky Row.
that's good because after you kill the children you eat them as you don't know what i don't want to hear it Oh, ha ha ha.
I would have given this ice cream to my little child had I. Right, exactly.
I mean, it's so unbelievable.
It is unbelievable, it is.
Because it's really, I mean, it's sort of funny in this very dark way.
But they're using this symbol of childhood to celebrate killing children.
It is amazing.
But it is what, you know, I'm saying this when we were talking about the Catholic scandal.
It is what evil does to people.
It makes them, it makes them laugh at the worst things.
It gives them this sense of humor about other people's suffering.
It's bizarre.
Bad ideas do this to people.
That is true.
You know, you see this all around with the Hollywood pedophilia scandals.
They're all making these crazy jokes.
And this is amazing.
So this event, Rise for Row, it's going all around the country.
It's being run by these five basically unemployable Democrat hacks.
It's got, you know, this woman, Lauren Duca, this radical abortion advocate.
She writes for Teen Vogue.
That's her story.
That's her outlet, really.
Bernie Sanders' press secretary is there.
Another lady, Rochetto, who runs a bunch of lefty groups, a couple others who run these lefty groups.
And of course, the devil herself, Cecile Richards, is sitting around there.
Oh, is she there?
She was there.
And Alyssa Milano, the actress, the former actress and now Twitter personality was there.
She dressed up like the woman from The Handmaid's Tale.
Did she really?
She did.
I hope maybe we'll get the picture.
It's her holding a sign, which of course the internet has had great fun with, her frowning, looking like the lady in the handmaid's tale.
And this is the story.
The left has always relied on useful idiots from Lenin and Stalin onward.
So now you've got the kind of Soros type, Cecile Richards.
These aren't stupid people.
These are serious people.
And then you have Alyssa Milano.
And Alyssa Milano, her line on all of this is: it is effing absurd that we're still fighting for abortion.
If Kavanaugh is confirmed, it, quote, will literally affect everything we know to be true as American citizens.
It will really literally affect everything we know to be true as an American citizen.
Boy, that's a powerful position.
That's good.
I should get that job.
It didn't occur to me that you thought mostly you were analyzing tax laws and stuff like that.
You know, not to leave the subject, but just for a minute, the New Yorker today ran an article this week, did an article in which Lawrence Tribe, the Harvard law guy, who said that he was analyzing Kavanaugh's sports reporting in college to see what kind of a judge he would be.
And he said, you know, you can see he gives too much power to the executive in his references to umpires.
It was like, I couldn't have made it up.
It was beautiful.
Because he was burning them like tea leaves.
Of course, it is beyond parody now.
Actually, the only person who's being honest about all of this is Chelsea Clinton with this Rise for Roe stuff, but I'll get to that in a second.
So this all took place at the L Rey Theater.
You know the L Rey Theater.
It's about 700-person theater in LA.
You would expect this big popular movement being put on by Planned Parenthood, by the pro-abortion NAROL, that it would be this big rally, right?
No, of course not.
It's in a 700-person theater.
I don't know if they filled it up.
It's unclear.
To put this in perspective, Ben, I was just at Ben's live show the other day in Dallas and Phoenix.
He put on just regular podcasts in a 4,000-person.
Wow, which was packed.
Which was utterly packed, you know, standing room only.
We had to turn people away.
So that's just a sense of that.
The reason why abortion is, pro-abortion advocates are so diminishing in their influence is because all of the lies are being exposed.
For years and years, we heard 5,000 to 10,000 women a year die from back alley illegal abortions before Roe.
That isn't true.
We know exactly how many women died from illegal abortions before Roe.
That number is 39, not 3,900, not 39,000.
Over what period of time?
39?
One year.
39 women died.
39 women.
Illegal abortions.
Across the country.
Across the country.
And 24 women died from legal abortions that same year.
So now, when you consider that only 20 states had legal abortion at that time, you actually realize that illegal and legal abortion were statistically just as dangerous.
Right, that's where.
Where did the 10,000 number come from?
It was pulled out of thin air.
And we only know this because the man who pulled that number out of thin air admitted to it.
Dr. Bernard Nathanson, he was the founder of NAROL, the biggest pro-abortion group.
He had a come to Jesus moment, and he said, this is his exact quote, quote, it was always 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year.
I confess that I knew the figures were totally false, and I suppose the others did too, if they stop to think of it.
But in the morality of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, and why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?
The overriding concern was to get the laws eliminated.
Anything within reason that had to be done was permissible.
Wow.
So this lie has been debunked by the guy who started it.
Then we've always heard, oh, it's a clump of cells.
It's not a human.
It's a platypus or whatever these people say it is.
Now we have images of 18-week-old babies sucking their thumbs in the womb.
Right now, you can get an abortion not just at 24, 26 weeks.
There are places where you can get it far later than that.
And we also see that babies born at 20 weeks, 21 weeks, are viable and they live.
They live now.
Some of those kids are three or four years old.
All of those lies come out.
Chelsea Clinton, I have to give her credit where credit is due.
She made the only honest argument for the Rise for Roe parade, which is that abortion has added $3.5 trillion to the economy.
That's her argument.
Because women have aborted their children, they entered the workforce in higher numbers, and this added money to the economy, which is why abortion is good.
Really?
That's her argument?
That is her argument.
That's like the clown who said it's cut crime because most of the aborted kids are black.
That's right.
That's exactly it.
These are the worst people in the country.
You know, I actually have to give her credit, though, for just demonstrating the wickedness of that argument.
She said, yeah, I know.
Yeah, maybe it's a baby.
Maybe it's this or that.
But look at all the money.
Look how rich we are.
Look at the money you save.
Yeah, we killed babies, but look at the money.
Really, it adds new meaning to that Clinton phrase.
It's the economy, stupid.
Yeah, really, really.
I mean, you know, it is amazing that one of the top people at Naral came over to the other side, as did Roe.
That's right.
Roe herself came over and is a pro-life advocate.
Their icons desert them because they realize what they're doing.
You don't really see a lot of pro-life leaders going over to the other side.
You don't see abortion survivors, of whom there are many in the country and around the world, who say, oh, no, now I'm a fierce abortion advocate.
It doesn't happen.
It's sort of the argument I think of when it comes to the 2020 election from this advantage.
From this vantage right now, we say, what votes did Trump lose?
He's only gaining votes.
That's kind of how I see the pro-life movement.
What support has the pro-life movement lost?
It's only gaining support.
And don't be fooled by statistics.
The country is almost evenly split on pro-life, pro-choice.
But when you drill down, should abortion be legal at 35 weeks, 30 weeks, 20 weeks, 15 weeks?
Should it be legal in cases outside of Rape Incest, Life of the Mother?
The numbers dwindle so significantly that the majority is with pro-life.
There was a poll out at the end of last year that showed that 50% of women or something like that consider themselves pro-choice.
But when you drill down to it, they really only believe that it should be legal in emergency cases, rape, incest, and a threat to the health of the mother.
And it is amazing to me that they get away, the press still gets away with asking that question of dopey Republican candidates who aren't ready for prime time and boggle the question.
But they just never asked the Democrat, should it be legal if, should you be allowed to abort your baby if it's a girl and you want a boy.
That's never asked that question.
I mean, that's the question you ask the other side.
If you're a fair, honest journalist who doesn't want to take sides, I think a Republican should be able to handle the question about rape and incest, which is what, like 0.1% of abortions or some incredibly terrible.
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I mean, yeah, it's far, far less than 1%.
All of them.
Rape, incest, threat to the life of the mother.
And they'll have to ask Chelsea.
When Chelsea inevitably runs, they're going to have to ask, should we eat Irish children?
They've become Swiftian in their self-satire.
And obviously they'll never get the fair shake.
We will never get the fair shake from the press on this.
They will never push them.
But even in spite of that, it seems the public opinion has shifted majorly in the direction of pro-life, which is why they can't fill a tiny theater in Los Angeles.
And, you know, the science is all on our side.
I keep telling the college kids this when I speak in schools because they ask, well, you know, are we going to win this fight and all this?
And I say, look, the science, eventually you're looking on a screen at a baby and you can see it's a baby.
You know, you think like, maybe I shouldn't kill the baby.
You know, not such a good.
Listen, before I let you go, I have to ask you one question.
You saw this movie.
What was the name of this picture?
Sorry to bother you.
I'm sorry it bothered you.
You got these wonderful reviews.
You said it was trash, right?
Drew, this is, that's right.
I was on my sabbatical in the Rip in the Space-Time continuum last week for my cultural segment.
It was the single worst movie I have ever seen.
And I should have known that because it had an almost perfect score, critics on Rotten Tomatoes, and it had about a 62% under the audience score.
It was so, so bad.
It's a communist movie.
The director of the movie is a self-described communist.
He says it's a communist movie.
The other reason I know it's a communist movie is it's not exactly subtle.
It's this clumsy, clunky movie with mediocre, I'll call some of the acting was adequate, some of it was not adequate.
The writing was horrifically bad.
It's anti-capitalist.
It says that in free markets with economic liberty, jobs disappear and people are enslaved.
Now you look around, we're at all-time high employment because we're liberating the economy a little bit.
But never mind the reality of that.
But just, I mean, you're an actual writer.
I'm a best-selling author, but you're an actual writer.
Oh, I put words in my book.
You put words in your book.
My mistake, yeah.
The protagonist of this movie, his name is Cassius Green.
Oh, wow.
Do you get it?
I get it.
I get it.
You get it, right?
It's like, wow, that's so deep.
In case you didn't get it, he says, my nickname is Cash.
So in case you didn't get it.
Do you know, at the end of the, here's a spoiler alert.
Doesn't matter.
Don't even turn.
You're not going to go see this movie.
Nobody is listening.
At the end of it, they find out that the capitalist is literally turning the workers into horses or turning them into work.
horses.
Literally doing it.
Do you get it?
Yeah.
Do you get it?
This is the sort of subtlety, Drew.
I've just never, I've never been able to get at it.
Well, look, at least he's not killing babies to save money.
He was really, you really must go see it just to see how horrific it is, especially because you're an artist.
I will wait until it's on Netflix.
I think I don't want to give anybody any money.
He's a communist.
He doesn't want my money, right?
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That's right.
Look, he doesn't.
He doesn't for free, I take it.
Yeah.
That's right.
It's really, it is crazy too.
Imagine if a director came out and said, oh, I'm a Nazi.
Yeah, I'm a Nazi.
I'm a Nazi.
I'm making a Nazi movie.
Yeah.
But no, when it's a communists have a lot more blood on their hands than the Nazis, and they get away with murder, literally.
What's on your show today?
So today we're going to be talking about, I don't know if you've asked this question before, Drew, but is truth truth?
Is truth truth?
I don't know.
We're going to be talking about Mr. Mayer and explaining why his statement, which is on the face a real gotcha, obviously not true, why he actually is completely right.
He's completely right when it comes to the media, when it comes to democratic operatives, and we're going to expose that point by point.
But at least they're honest enough not to say he stuffed women into binders.
That's right.
All right.
Thanks a lot, Knowles.
I'll talk to you later.
See you, Drew.
All right.
Remember, the conversation, it's Wednesday, you say?
Tomorrow.
Tomorrow.
Yeah, it's tomorrow.
The conversation tomorrow with Knowles.
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our crappy culture.
So this is a sad story that has this kind of evil humor to it that a bunch of people were making fun of, but it's not really that funny.
ISIS militants killed two people.
No, wait.
I'm sorry, four tourists.
They killed four tourists in Tajikistan or somewhere like this.
And one of them, a guy named Austin, was taking a world.
They were taking a round-the-world bicycle trip.
And he was writing and blogging.
And he said, you read the papers and you're led to believe that the world is a big, scary place.
People, the narrative goes, are not to be trusted.
People are bad.
People are evil.
I don't buy it.
Evil is a make-believe concept we've invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different from our own.
By and large, humans are kind, self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes, but kind, generous and wonderful and kind.
And he was then killed by ISIS.
So the story goes around.
And of course, there is something ironic, I guess is the word, right?
Because it's not funny that these young people were killed.
And it's not funny.
You know, I mean, look, look, most of us when we're young have wrong concepts.
We are idealistic and most of us learn things from experience, but you want to live through the experience to learn it.
So the fact that they got killed by ISIS is because ISIS is evil.
So there is this ironic contrast between this blog, Evil is a make-believe concept we've invented to deal with the complexity of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own and ISIS holding values and beliefs different from our own, which include murdering this guy.
And the mistake that people make with this, I was on a panel of writers once talking about evil, and they all made the same mistake, is We, the true truths of life, are spiritual truths.
They exist on the spiritual plane like ideas.
Like ideas, they have no material being.
We give them material being with our words, with our flesh, with our actions.
We are the words, the language with which the spiritual world expresses itself.
Evil is more real than you and me.
Evil is more real than you and me, but even an evil person usually just expresses it somewhat, right?
Even Hitler was nice to his dog.
Humans do not express absolute evil, but that doesn't mean that absolute evil doesn't exist.
The expression of evil in the world comes from people like ISIS who murdered this guy.
And the mistake they make is when they meet people and they find things that they're certainly right, that most people are perfectly nice and fine, but the mistake they make is they meet people who are evil and they find something that they can relate to in them because they're also human beings.
They don't understand that the evil exists on a spiritual plane that is more real than this one.
And that is the contrast there.
It's not funny because people lost their lives, but it is ironic that we have this culture that is so rich, so safe, so well-to-do that it has forgotten, it feels insulated from the spiritual truths of life.
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You are never insulated from them.
They're always real.
They're always there.
And not just evil, but good as well.
All right.
Tomorrow we will be back.
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