Andrew Clavin and Sebastian Gorka argue Trump’s claims of a DOJ/FBI cover-up hold weight, citing Peter Strzok’s anti-Trump texts, Bruce Ohr’s ties to Fusion GPS, and 12 high-level firings as evidence of institutional bias. They dismiss Omarosa Manigault Newman’s memoir as fabricated, condemning her SCIF recordings as criminal while praising Trump’s loyalty to his base amid Democratic failures. The episode frames Mueller’s probe as politically weaponized, warns of China’s global threat, and ends with a defense of Trump’s policies—economic growth, ISIS defeats, and judicial appointments—as proof of his effectiveness against left-wing hostility. [Automatically generated summary]
Former White House aide and apprentice star Amarosa, whatever the rest of her name is, is seeking to prove she was unfairly fired by the administration by releasing secret tapes of her private conversations with the president.
Because who would want to fire a White House aide who is making secret tapes of her private conversations with the president?
Amarosa is trying to get on TV to peddle her new memoir entitled, I am a disgruntled former employee who can't be trusted and may even be psycho, but is probably just greedy and dishonest.
That may not be the exact title, but it's something like that.
CNN spokesman Winston Mendacious said, quote, this network is not going to waste our viewers' time by interviewing some greedy famehound, peddling sleazy, unsubstantiated rumors that might needlessly undermine the reputation and effectiveness of the president of the United States.
No, I'm kidding.
Bring that sweet stuff on, unquote.
Amarosa says, among other things, she witnessed Trump lying to investigators and using racial slurs while having sex with an underage prostitute after drinking the blood of virgins, then devouring a living infant with his lizard-like tongue, after which he stripped off his Trump face to reveal he was really a gigantic space alien with dripping fangs and only the slightest grasp of foreign policy.
On hearing the allegation, CNN's Don Lemon issued a statement saying, quote, I knew it.
Isn't this what I've been saying all along, unquote.
Trump responded to Amarosa's charges with a tweet that said, quote, this is what happens when you give a place of trust in the White House to a reality TV star with no discernible political knowledge.
He's going to hire someone like Amarosa.
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So, like everything, everything the left does always produces the opposite results, right?
They want to get rid of racism, they make racism worse, then they start defending their own racism, then they just have everybody hating one another, and that's their idea of making racism better.
They want to make life better for women.
They say, oh, yeah, if you're a man, but you wear a dress, you can compete with women in the Olympics, so women can't win anything.
They just make life worse for women all the time.
And they keep saying the same thing.
They keep saying, in spite of all we've done, things are getting worse.
It's because of what they do.
They create the exact opposite of all their intentions.
This is also true with their decades-long attempt to shut up the right.
All it does is, you know, I am the opposite of a conspiracy theorist person.
The minute I hear a conspiracy theory, I start to doubt it.
I just think people aren't that smart.
They're not that clever.
They can't keep a secret.
Also, most conspiracies, if you listen to them, there's no reason to believe them.
So, I mean, the 9-11 one is my favorite crazy conspiracy because you have a bunch of Muslims saying, you know, we're going to blow up the World Trade Center.
Then you have them saying, we are blowing up the World Trade Center.
Then you have them dancing in the streets saying, we blew up the World Trade Center.
And then people say, yes, but who really did it?
I mean, it's nuts.
You know, it's crazy.
But, but when you try to silence the right, when you take Alex Jones off the social media, when you go after, now they're going after Gavin McGinnis on Twitter, like I can't even imagine.
McGuinness is basically a comedian.
He's, you know, makes all these rough jokes, but that's what comedians do.
He's just doing it on the right.
And now he seems to have been banned from Twitter.
Bad show.
But when all the news agencies are openly conspiring to attack Donald Trump, we saw Thomas Friedman of the New York Times saying we should cover him this way if we really want to hurt him.
The Boston Globe is saying, oh, we should all get together and publish simultaneous editorials attacking him.
When we see that the press is at war with Donald Trump, we start to think, well, if you're silencing the right, maybe how do I know which person on the right is telling the truth and which one isn't?
If you're just silencing them all, it's really you who have created the conspiracy.
You are the conspiracy.
The left is the conspiracy.
And it just gives credence to things that people are saying on the right.
And right this minute, I have to tell you, I think that the truest things that Donald Trump is saying are about the Russian collusion investigation.
He sent out a tweet the other day.
It says, seems like the Department of Justice and FBI had a program to keep Donald Trump from becoming president.
If this had happened to the other side, everybody involved would be in jail.
This is a media cover-up of the biggest story of our time.
And this actually seems true.
There is now, as far as I'm concerned, compelling evidence that Hillary Clinton's campaign colluded with high-level FBI officials through this fusion GPS to transform unproven, still unproven, oppo-dirt research on Trump into this incredibly vast, unbridled, and so far unproductive Russian investigation.
I mean, they keep on all the left-wing venues, CNN, the Times, you know, the networks.
They keep saying, well, he's indicted so many people, but he's so many people in Russia who'll never stand trial.
I could do that.
I could stand there and make accusations against people who can't sue me, who'll never be tried, will never have to prove anything.
You can do that about anybody.
There really is nothing here, and it's gone on forever, and it has occupied our time.
It's occupied our news stations.
So let's go through some of this because I know it's always complicated, but I do think we can boil it down to a certain amount of understandable stuff.
Let's start, of course, with the firing of Peter Strzzok.
He's the guy, he presided over both the Hillary Clinton email investigation and the Russian election interference investigation.
And he was at the same time, he was texting with another FBI employee, his mistress, saying, you know, stuff like, oh, we're going to stop Trump and we need an insurance policy against Trump.
And apparently, Strzok was still protesting his innocence when the word came that he was out of work.
We have the video.
But let me be clear, unequivocally and under oath, not once in my 26 years of defending our nation did my personal opinions impact any official action I took.
Yes, I'm investigation, for the investigation into Russian interference, and for every other investigation I've worked on.
Yes.
It is not who I am, and it is not something I would ever do, period.
Yes.
That's tough.
He's a tough president.
You know, this is the guy, the Inspector General Michael Horowitz, said that his emails created the appearance that investigative decisions were impacted by bias or improper considerations, and that his behavior was not only indicative of a biased state of mind, but even more seriously implies a willingness to take official action to impact the presidential candidate's electoral prospect.
He recommended the AG's office then goes on to the guy who overlooks behavior, and he recommended suspension, but the deputy chief of the FBI overruled him and just canned him.
And that's rare.
I mean, so they really were looking at this.
His lawyer will give his lawyer a chance to protest, he said.
This is Eitan Goleman.
He said that it's all political.
Here is his lawyer.
I don't think that you can rationally reach any conclusion other than it was political.
Pete, along with several other employees who sent anti-Trump texts, were referred to the Office of Professional Responsibility, or OPR.
That's a division within the FBI that is in charge of internally disciplining agents.
And we had a process, a normal process, where we engaged with OPR and submitted something in writing and went in and orally presented.
They decided that what the appropriate punishment should be is a 60-day suspension, demotion, and signing what's called a last chance letter, which basically is double secret probation and says that you can be fired if you do anything else wrong.
That decision was overruled by the deputy director of the FBI.
It's something that he had the authority to do because it was delegated from the director of the FBI, but it is a vanishingly rare occurrence for things to happen this way.
And it's difficult to believe, given the steady drumbeat of techs demonizing Pete from the president and all the calls on Capitol Hill by Republicans for Pete to be fired, that that didn't play a role in the Bureau's ultimate decision.
So his narrative is basically Trump, this is all political.
They're under pressure from Trump and Trump fired him.
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So their narrative, the lawyer's narrative is, oh, this is all Donald Trump, all Donald Trump.
Jim Jordan, conservative congressman from Ohio, he says this.
I mean, this is an incredible piece of audio.
Just listen to this for a minute.
I mean, the American people deserve an FBI that's not biased.
They deserve an FBI that's going to focus on the truth.
Obviously, Peter Strzok wasn't that individual.
And I think it's important to understand, he just wasn't any old agent at the FBI.
He was deputy head of counterintelligence.
More importantly, he was the lead agent on both the Clinton investigation and on the Trump-Russia investigation.
So you now have at the FBI, Neil, something I've never seen in any federal agency.
James Comey fired.
Deputy Director McCabe fired.
Jim Rubicki, former chief of staff, has left the FBI.
Jim Baker, chief counsel at the FBI, was demoted, then fired.
Lisa Page, FBI counsel, demoted, then left.
And then, of course, you now have Peter Strzok, who was demoted and now fired today.
These are the six key people at the top of the FBI who ran the Clinton investigation and who launched and ran the Trump-Russia investigation.
I've never seen anything like that in any other federal agency.
What Jordan is describing is an agency that has just suffered a massive scandal.
People being fired left and right, top people being fired left and right.
And it's always important to emphasize this is not the working FBI agent who's out there busting bad guys and serving the American people.
This is Obama's top level of DOJ and FBI people who are being shot down and fired.
This is a major, major scandal what happened.
It wouldn't look like this.
It's not Trump doing it.
It's the agency doing it.
They are cleaning out after a scandal.
That's what a scandal looks like when it sweeps through an agency and when they actually take care to clean things up.
That's what a scandal looks like.
Where is the media?
And it's not that they're, you know, I mean, it's just that they're not playing it up like the big deal it is.
And they start screaming, oh, Trump is undermining our faith in our law enforcement guys.
These guys are being fired like crazy because it's a scandal.
So what did they do?
I mean, this is the thing I want to talk about just because it really does seem to me, I don't want to be a conspiracy guy, but it seems to me there was a conspiracy.
So let me just remind you of a couple of players, right?
Bruce Orr was the Associate Deputy Attorney General.
So he's number four at the DOJ.
Bruce Orr, he's since been demoted.
I think he's a janitor now or he delivers the coffee in the morning.
I'm not sure.
But he was the fourth guy at the DOJ.
Nellie Orr was his wife, and she worked for Fusion GPS, okay?
So remember that, Bruce Orr, number four at the DOJ, Nellie Orr's wife working for Fusion GPS.
Fusion GPS is the company that the DNC and Hillary Clinton paid something like a million bucks to to get dirt on Donald Trump, right?
And that's so that's Glenn Simpson, who's the head of Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele is the former British guy who went out and did the dirty work and gathered all this information.
And again, of that dossier, what's now called the Steele dossier, this Fusion GPS dossier, not one major allegation has been substantiated.
Not one, okay?
So none of this stuff.
It just seems like oppo research that really didn't come to come to pass.
John Solomon, writing at The Hill, now has information that Simpson and Steele of Fusion GPS met secretly with Bruce Orr.
And we now know that they were passing, you know, Steele got fired from the FBI.
He was working with the FBI as well, but when he used the press too much, they fired him.
But he was still passing information through Nellie Orr to Bruce Orr.
So this was going on a long time.
He met secretly with Bruce Orr, passed him a memory stick, right?
And there are notes, handwritten notes from Bruce Orr, which have now come to Congress, the congressional oversight.
And the notes that he took, that Orr took at this meeting with Fusion GPS follow the path of the Russian investigation.
Here's John Solomon, the writer at the Hill, explaining this.
From Bruce Orr's notes, where he's talking to both Christopher Steele and Steele's boss, Glenn Simpson, the founder of Fusion GPS, you can see every allegation that the FBI pursues three or four weeks later in Bruce Orr's notes first.
They start talking about Carter Page on August 22nd in September.
Carter Cage becomes a target, and in October, he becomes the focus of the FISA warrant.
Or is almost like organizing the information in some way with Steele and Simpson, and then somehow it just keeps making its way to the Justice Department.
I know that in general, John...
I mean, I get that this is like a John le Corre story.
I mean, it is a genuine spy story.
But what the hell is going on?
I mean, what on earth is going on?
How did they lose their way?
I mean, obviously, this is an agency where they got caught up in that Obama feeling.
You know, they got caught up in the Obama world of an Obama future in the holy name of Obama.
And they were just doing this stuff because they saw the steamroller Trump coming down the pike.
And they decided if Hillary Clinton comes in with OPO research, these are her people coming to the DOJ with dirt on Trump.
And they're using OPO research to start an investigation, to guide an investigation.
Now, let's just go back to, because, and some of this is coming from Lee Smith writing at Real Clear Investigations, at Real Clear Politics, which is a pretty, I mean, I know it's got a conservative backing, but it's a pretty balanced website.
He says that now when you look at this, when you see this and you see what stuff we knew before, you have to look back at this meeting that Don Jr. had, you know, this big meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya, right, the Russian lawyer.
And again, I understand this is complicated, but it's worth trying to follow it just a little bit, and I'll try and keep it as simple as possible.
The Russian lawyer is also paying Fusion GPS.
She wants to get dirt on a Russian businessman, okay?
She wants to get dirt on a Russian businessman because she hopes it will help overturn the Magnitsky Act.
It's a complicated story, doesn't matter.
The router thing is the Magnitsky Act.
She goes to Don Jr. and Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort, and she says, I've got dirt on Hillary Clinton.
And she has this kind of unsubstantiated story that this Russian businessman and Hillary Clinton, blah, And Don Jr. listens to this and it's all about the Magnitsky Act and he doesn't buy it and he leaves.
He said, maybe we'll take up the Magnitsky Act later, but we're not going to do it.
This woman, this Russian lawyer, has dinner with Simpson from Fusion GPS both before the meeting and after the meeting.
So it really seems entirely possible that the meeting itself might have been a setup, that the meeting itself was meant to entangle the Trumps in this kind of Russian net.
It seems obvious to me that certainly Donald Trump had no idea about any of this stuff.
I mean, not that he didn't know that the meeting might have taken place, but just that the idea that he was calling up Vladimir Putin, which is this fantasy that they have on CNN, that he was, you know, Vlad, can you help me defeat Hillary Clinton?
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That's like, it's nonsense.
And it all seems to come back.
It all seems to come back to this Hillary Clinton fusion GPS Department of Justice nexus that really, really is as dirty as Trump says it is.
And listen, you've heard me go off on Trump and you've heard me go off on his dishonesty and his bullying and all that stuff.
But after all, the whole thing about Obama, Shakespeare said a man can smile and smile and be a villain.
The whole thing about Obama was yes, he was more classy than Trump.
Yes, he was more poised than Trump.
Yes, he had a better routine as president than Trump.
Trump makes fun of the idea of being presidential.
Obama was much more presidential.
But Obama was a dirty guy.
Obama ran the government like a Chicago machine.
And this is the wages of that.
And so it's the press covering it up that makes it so hard.
You know, the press is picking on our old pal, Devin Nunes or Nunez or Nunu or whatever his name is.
They're picking on him all the time because he has been trying to get this stuff out.
I mean, think about that for a minute.
Think about, guys.
You know, I am a journalist.
I go to work every day trying to get at the truth.
Here's Devin Nunes doing what he's supposed to do, his congressional oversight over these immensely powerful agencies.
And the press is picking on Devin Nunes.
It makes no sense.
I mean, it is, well, it does make sense if you're just a complete arm of the Democrat Party, but that's the only sense it can possibly make.
And so Nunes is caught on tape.
I won't even say caught on tape.
He's like talking to a Republican fundraiser and they get him on tape.
And suddenly the press is like, did you hear what he said?
He said, we're the only ones who can clear Donald Trump because everyone else is trying to frame him.
That's what he says.
So this is the second Nunes cut where he says we have to keep the majority.
This is cut number 11.
It's like your classic catch-22 situation where, I mean, we're at a, this is what puts us in such a tough spot.
If Sessions won't come recently and Mueller won't clear the president, we're the only ones.
Which is really the danger.
That's why I keep, and thank you for saying it, by the way.
I mean, we have to keep all these secrets.
We have to keep the majority.
If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away.
So all he's saying was we have to keep the majority or they're going to kill this investigation.
And that's why we have to win.
And he's stirring up the Republican donors and saying that's why we have to win.
And they're saying this like this is some kind of conspiracy.
But the only, I mean, this is his job.
This is what he's supposed to be doing.
And that he has become the enemy of the people in the minds of the press tells you something about how sick the press is.
And I'll wind this up with just one thing.
If you don't believe me on how sick the press is, we have to go back to the story yesterday about the fact that there were no right, there are no white supremacists in America.
There's 20 of them who show up and all the violence, all the cruelty, all the meanness against America, against the police, against the press was coming from the left and Antifa.
And our old friend, Chris Cuomo, has got it all figured out that it's just not as bad when they do it.
And unless you're justified in defending yourself and you hit someone, you're a thug, you're a criminal.
You attack cops, you slap the media, you're in the wrong, period.
But I argue to you tonight, all punches are not equal morally.
In the eyes of the law, yes.
But in the eyes of good and evil, here's the argument.
If you're a punk who comes to start trouble in a mask and hurt people, you're not about any virtuous cause.
You're just somebody who's going to be held to the standard of doing something wrong.
But when someone comes to call out bigots and it gets hot, even physical, are they equally wrong as the bigot they are fighting?
I argue no.
Fighting against hate matters.
Now, how you fight matters too.
There's no question about that.
But drawing a moral equivalency between those espousing hate and those fighting it because they both resort to violence emboldens hate, legitimizes hateful belief, and elevates what should be stamped out.
Thank heaven for Chris Cuomo, you know, because whenever you call Don Lemon the stupidest man on television, they accuse you of racism because Lemon happens to be brown.
But thank God there's Chris Cuomo, who's just that little, just a tiny little bit stupider, I think.
I mean, basically, this is what he's saying to you.
If you get punched in the face by a guy who says he's against hate, it's not so bad.
Don't wait, you know, it's a good punch.
That's a good punch.
If he kills you, and one of these guys, somebody is going to get killed by one of these antifi guys eventually.
If he kills you, you know, you're not just not as dead.
It's not as dead when somebody does it.
You know, it's like, it's as if, it's as if somebody stood in a white hood and burned a cross on a black family's lawn and said, I'm doing this because I'm anti-Clan.
And Chris Cuomo said, see, he's anti-Clan.
He's not bad.
He's anti-Clan.
These guys are fascists and they call themselves anti-fascists.
So what?
So what?
And these are the blockheads who are reporting the news to us.
Hey, by the way, speaking of blockheads, Michael Knowles.
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All right, Sebastian Gorka is a military and intelligence analyst.
He's a Fox News strategist and former deputy assistant to President Trump.
He's also the author of the new book, Why We Fight, which will be out October 9th on Amazon.
And we will have him back then to talk about that.
But let's talk to him now.
Are you there, Sebastian?
I am, Drew.
I am.
It's good to hear.
It was really nice to meet you face to face in Washington.
And I appreciated your introducing me to Don Jr.
Yeah.
How do you like Trump International?
If you're a conservative in the swamp, that's the place to be.
It was great.
It really was like the smuggler's bar from the first Star Trek thing.
Every breed of conservative was in the place.
And the hotel lobby, the lobby bar is spectacular.
I don't know what the rooms are like, but the place is beautiful.
Right.
No, the rooms are superb as well.
Listen, before we get into serious issues, I just need to talk about the monologue you did on Ben and Ocasio-Cortez.
And you used the phrase, the kosher Casanova.
I want to see that cartoon.
I want to see the kosher Casanova cartoon, okay?
You can clear that with Ben, right?
I did.
I did.
I have to say, I gave myself the rest of the day off after that.
Even I was impressed.
I appreciate your noticing.
So we got a lot to talk about here.
I mean, this struck firing really does start to confirm the president in his feeling that he is genuinely the victim of a conspiracy.
I mean, I know you're a big defender of his, but I think you got a point here.
Yeah, I tweeted out earlier today.
It wasn't my tweet, it was somebody else's, but it was simply a list of all the people who have been fired for cause at the FBI, the DOJ, or sent into early retirement.
And it's stunning.
In the history of the Bureau, I can't think of a period, not under Whove or anybody else, where in the space of less than a year, you've had a dozen or more people got rid of for cause.
So it really does vindicate what the president has been saying.
And the latest one, the decision by the deputy director Bowditch, I know Bowdich.
He's a good guy.
We were in L.A. together the day of the San Bernardino massacre.
And when we find out that he went back to the original IG findings, and he said, this guy has got to go for multiple reasons.
And this is the person who was running the collusion investigation.
This is the person who was running the Hillary investigation.
How did we get to this point where this was the man in charge of both of those incredibly important issues?
And if this were an organization, if these were people who'd been appointed by Trump or even George W. Bush, this would be a huge scandal.
I mean, this is an organization.
I respect the agents of the FBI, but this is an organization that is now racked by scandal.
That's what an organization looks like when a scandal hits it.
Everybody gets fired, and that's what's happening.
This hits very close to me because before I went back into government, I was traveling.
I was doing 20,000 miles a month going from FBI field office to FBI field office because with my wife, we had a company that was providing counterterrorism training on al-Qaeda and ISIS to federal agencies around the country.
And wherever I went, they'd give me a pin of the local office.
The next time I traveled, I'd wear it with pride.
Drew, I don't wear FBI pins anymore since the last two years because just a handful of people at the very, very top have destroyed the reputation of one of the world's, if not the world's most famous law enforcement agency.
It is.
It's pitiful.
You know, explain something to me.
This is something I literally don't understand.
I don't want you to, you know, I'm not asking you to go off on Jeff Sessions at all, but I don't understand.
The president is obviously incredibly angry about this.
We heard Devin Nunes just before you came on saying if he won't unrecuse himself.
What is the theory of why he recused himself that doesn't have to do with ethics?
I mean, it seemed to me he just did it on an ethical basis, but obviously Trump feels that's not so.
Yeah.
Look, I told the president I wasn't going to criticize any serving member of the cabinet when I resigned from the White House.
If they leave, that's fine.
I'll spend hours talking to you about the disaster that was Rex Tillerson.
But Sessions is still in there as AG.
From my personal experience, all that I will say is I think this man, he didn't really understand the Sisyphian nature of what he was getting involved in.
And he thought this would be just like being an AG for a state.
And it's not, not after eight years of Obama.
And then when you go into a new organization, you need people around you who you trust.
And the idea that he just inherits this guy, Rod Rosenstein, who actually appointed Mueller as the special prosecutor after he failed in the interview to get back his job as director of the FBI, I think that was the biggest mistake.
He went in there without the requisite understanding of the depth of the corruption.
And beyond that, he entrusted people around him who were not deserving of that trust.
Not fair enough.
I mean, I have to say that Republicans appoint these special counsels at the drop of the hat.
I don't know what it would take before a Democrat would do it.
I mean, it had to be Clinton with Monica Lewinsky before they would appoint a special counsel.
Obama could have done it four times.
On that point, I think it's an awful institution.
I don't care if the president is a Democrat or a Republican.
This is like a missile with no guidance system.
And it's just out.
They have too much money, too much power.
They always end up investigating things that have nothing to do with the original political mandate they are provided.
So I'm not a fan of the special prosecutor, whoever is the president.
You know, Bill McGurn, who is a pal of mine and I think has been really fair to Trump, very balanced, he has a column in the Wall Street Journal today just begging Trump to declassify the documents that Devin Nunes wants and that the DOJ and the FBI are holding back.
Do you think you think the president would ever do that?
If a certain member of his legal team wasn't a member of the legal team.
Okay.
And it's not one of the people that he recently employed.
Okay, okay.
So he's getting advice not to do this because it would just cause too much political damage?
No, because there's a certain person in the office of the White House counsel who's afraid.
Yeah.
Who's just afraid and who doesn't understand that this is no longer, this is about politics, and Robert Mueller has turned something that should have been a judicial function into a political one.
And this individual that I'm talking about is not a politician.
It doesn't understand Washington, D.C.
And if you are a lawyer in D.C., you have to be a political animal as much as a lawyer, and this person isn't.
Wow, okay.
So let's talk about Amorosa.
You knew Amorosa.
I've seen pictures of you with her, right?
You knew her.
Yeah, I unfortunately bumped into her regularly in the White House.
So she has really gone off.
I mean, this is the real deal.
They think that once again, the press has got the president in their clutches.
What do you make of this?
I mean, it's kind of shocking.
It's a little bit shocking that she's taping stuff in the situation room.
It's not shocking.
It's a crime.
It's a crime.
The situation room is actually three different rooms underneath the West Wing next to the Navy Mass.
When you walk in, there are people at the desk who run it, who are responsible for its security.
And there's a whole long row of lockable cabinets where you are supposed to put your phone, your laptop, any electronic device must be locked in there before you go into the most – these are called SCIF, Secure Compartmented Information Facilities.
These are – This is the most important SCIF in the U.S. government outside of Air Force One.
This is where the president goes when he's planning a military intervention.
So the idea that this woman knowingly, there's no way you do this accidentally, walked into the most important SCIF in America with a surreptitious recording device and did this.
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I tweeted it out yesterday.
She should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, Drew.
So I noticed that they're going to sue her for violating a non-disclosure agreement.
But that's not the same thing as prosecuting her, yeah.
You don't think that's going to happen?
No, no, no, no, that's a civil matter.
She has been incredibly unwise.
I signed an NDA when I came aboard to advise candidate Trump back in 2015.
I signed one with the Trump organization.
I'm sure she signed a very similar one.
She has clearly written a book that is defamatory, and that goes against her agreement.
She is in civil jeopardy with regards to that, and she is in federal criminal jeopardy with her abuse of the classified infrastructure regulations that are in the White House.
Look, on the one hand, Drew, you have to try and be Christian about it.
This woman needs some kind of professional help.
I mean, the way the state, no, seriously, the statements she's making are beyond the pale.
What she's saying about the president, the language she uses, the fact that just two years ago she was saying exactly the opposite.
Unless she is a totally amoral manipulator and just a snake, this is a person who may have some mental issues as well that she needs to get treated.
I have to ask you this.
She's claims she's got a tape of Trump using the N-word, which I think would be enormously depressing as well as damaging.
Do you believe that?
If she had, the audio would already be out there.
She doesn't.
It's a lie.
It's a lie.
I mean, she left what?
She left when?
Eight months ago?
The idea that she'd be sitting on it for eight months, garbage.
Okay.
Since I've got you here, I've got to ask you some political questions.
The race in Ohio in the special election with Balderson, where he just barely pulled it out in this highly Republican district.
I understand that even a near win is a win.
I get all that.
But it does seem that the numbers show some damage to Republican candidates, at least so far in the run-up to the midterms.
Is Trump bringing them down?
Is that what's happening, that he's alienating people with all the kind of obstreperous behavior?
Not the people who, no.
I mean, if you look at the polling data from Pew, the people who voted for Donald Trump two years ago are still massively fond of him and support him.
There was a superb piece, I think it was today or yesterday, that Selena Zito wrote in New York Post, where she just crunches the math.
Special elections never reflect the state of a nation just before a midterm.
If you go back to 2006, the Democrats lost every single special election that year.
When it came to the midterm, they flipped the House by 30 seats.
Four years later, you saw the same thing with the GOP.
The Republicans lost every single special election and then took the House back.
So the idea that a very sui generous district or state actually tells you what's going on in the nation, it doesn't really hold true.
It's easy for the left to draw certain conclusions, but a special election is called special for a reason.
You know, when we were at the Trump International, there was a fellow there who you were sort of describing as a major observer of politics and kind of a fixer.
And I asked him what he thought, and he said, oh, we won't lose the Senate, but we are going to lose the House.
Do you agree with him?
No, I don't.
Andy's a good friend of mine.
We work together in the White House, but he is a genetic pessimist.
So, no.
And he's being cautious.
He's being cautious.
But no, I think you just forget politics and remove from the equation who you voted for.
I don't care who you are.
And just be completely cold and clinical about the last year and a half.
Who's actually produced something that is positive in the last year and a half?
Is it the Democrats?
I mean, what are you voting for?
Miss googly eyes When you're voting for the Democrats, it just, there's no there there.
I mean, there's hatred.
Yeah, okay, which is great with their base.
But all the millions of people who have profited literally, you know, financially in the last year and a half by getting jobs or spiritually by getting off welfare or getting off opioids or what have you, those people are not going to vote for Nanny Pelosi.
Well, I mean, well, you know, it really, it really, if Trump were not Trump, the death of ISIS, the appointments he's made on the courts, the economy, the guy would be on the $10 bill.
I mean, if he weren't.
And imagine, imagine, imagine if somebody had done what Amarosa did to the Obama White House.
Oh, yeah, she'd have been taken.
I mean, just imagine the frenzy.
Yeah.
The frenzy.
She would be excommunicated from polite society for the rest of her life by the Washington Press Corps.
All right, last question.
So we've got September, October before the elections.
What do you expect to see coming out of the White House in terms of the US?
Because they're going to talk about my book.
Well, I want you to come back and talk about your book.
There's no point in talking about it now.
People will forget by Activity.
It's already available for pre-order.
Oh, pre-order.
All right.
Well, why we fight?
Go ahead.
No, seriously.
So what about the web book?
What are you expecting to see come out of the White House in terms of policy between now and then?
I think what we're going to see is that the most important thing, the thing that'll get most oxygen, is going to be the ramifications of the deal the President signed yesterday for increased defense expenditure, what that means for our capacity to be more forceful and robust around the world.
And beyond that, it's getting serious about resetting our trade relations with everybody.
And this isn't about trade wars because the other people started it first.
When you have Canada leveraging 280% tariffs on our milk, who started the trade war?
It wasn't us.
So I think that the biggest things are the continuation of the resetting of our global economic relations and specifically within that, how we deal with a resurgent China that really is the only threat we face.
I mean, we're dealing with ISIS, we'll deal with Iran, we'll deal with Russia, with North Korea.
The only long-term threat we face as a nation is a China that wishes to displace us as the force for good in the world.
So I think you'll see a lot more interesting actions being taken by the president with regard to China and international trade.
All right, Sebastian Gorka, Why We Fight is out on October 9th, but you can pre-order it on Amazon.
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Why We Fight by Sebastian Gorka.
Thanks very much for coming on.
Let's talk again.
Thanks, Drew.
God bless.
Bye-bye.
Thank you.
All right, we're running short.
Let's go right to sexual follies.
Old expression, which I always loved.
The expression was, never eat lunch at a place called Moms, never play cards with a man named Doc, and never sleep with a woman who has more problems than you do.
And I remember the first time I heard that, I thought you'd never sleep with a woman ever.
But now there is a new survey of a thousand people from Germany found that men have better sex with women who are less emotionally stable.
So the less emotionally stable a woman is, the better time you're going to have.
So that advice is now obsolete.
Never sleep with a woman who has more problems than you do.
Only sleep with women who have more problems than you do.
And the other thing they found was that women had better sex with men who are more disagreeable.
So crazy women and nasty men is basically your best sex bet.
This is why you should get married.
Because, you know, the thing about freedom is it lets you do whatever you want, but we're also nuts that we do terrible, terrible things.
If you get married over time, you'll learn to please each other.
You'll be with somebody you like.
You won't be sitting around with a stranger.
You won't be following your own stupid desires into some terrible relationship with a crazy woman and a nasty man.
So, you know, there's another study that came out that says we're having less sex over the last decade.
This is why.
This is why.
Because when you have sex with anybody you want, you make terrible, terrible mistakes.
All right, the mailbag.
I just love that.
I love that.
Who do you want to sleep with?
I want to sleep with someone who's nuts.
And if she's not nuts, I want somebody who's really nasty.
That's the way it ought to be.
Ah, the human race.
What a tragedy.
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