Andrew Clavin and Owen Benjamin dissect modern feminism’s contradictions, tracing its roots from ancient hysteria to #MeToo’s Aziz Ansari case, where they argue sexual liberation removed safeguards like chivalry, leaving women vulnerable. Benjamin recounts Hollywood’s ideological Faustian bargain—artists silenced for opposing transgender narratives, like his ban for calling child hormone therapy "abuse"—while Clavin links political correctness to maternal overprotectiveness, citing backlash against jokes about a six-year-old trans child. Both dismiss gender identity as a leftist tool to suppress dissent, contrasting it with urgent crises like veteran homelessness, and warn of a corporate-media machine enforcing ideological conformity on women, framing feminism as a one-sided force that stifles autonomy. [Automatically generated summary]
This Sunday will mark a year since women took to the streets around the world for a march against something or other, no one's sure what.
The women all wore pink hats meant to represent their vaginas as a way to remind us that the vagina is the entrance into the womb, which in Greek is called the hysteria, which is where we get the word hysterical.
So in general, when you see a woman wearing a hat that represents her vagina, it's a good bet she's totally nuts.
Witness crazy lady Ashley Judd reading this poem at the march.
Be respected.
We are here to be nasty.
I'm nasty.
Like my bloodstains on my bedsheets.
We don't actually choose if and when to have our periods.
Believe me, if we could, some of us would.
We don't like throwing away our favorite pairs of underpants.
Tell me, why are pads and tampacs still taxed?
Ooh, that was a brand name.
Why are tampons and pads still taxed when Viagra and Rogane are not?
Is your really more than protecting the sacred, messy part of my womanhood?
Is the bloodstain on my jeans more embarrassing than the thinning of your hair?
Yes.
And speaking of hysteria, on this day in 1919, Congress ratified the 18th Amendment banning the sale of alcohol.
This was known as prohibition, and it ushered in an era of lawlessness and gangsterism known as the Roaring 20s.
That was also the result of another women's movement, the temperance movement, which was led by this woman, Carrie Nation, who used to go into saloons and bust them up with an axe.
So she didn't need a pink hat to remind us she was hysterical.
She just was.
Before that, right around this time of year in 1692, a group of girls in Massachusetts began spreading the false accusations that led to the sale witch trials, which in turn led to the wrongful deaths of some 25 people, two of them children, who died in prison.
The incident is one of the most famous instances of what's known as mass hysteria from the Greek word hysteria, meaning uterus, which we're reminded of whenever we see a woman marching with a pink hat.
The moral of these stories is that whenever large groups of women gather together and start screaming about anything, everyone who is in any way connected to government should stop doing whatever they're doing and lie low until they go away.
Don't have trials, don't pass constitutional amendments, and most importantly, don't start firing people for things they may or may not have done 30 years ago.
Unfortunately, it's a little hard to get government to take this advice because a lot of people in government are men.
And whenever men get anywhere near someone with a vagina, they tend to behave like this.
I'm having hysterics.
I'm hysterical.
I can't stop when I get like this.
I can't stop.
I'm hysterical.
I'm a dynamite.
So basically, due to vaginas, we're all doomed.
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Later on, he made the observation yesterday that the hashtag MeTooMovement hashtag can also be reread as the pound sign.
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Okay, I know that's a lot of stuff to talk about at the beginning, but, you know, I want to talk about this, what's happening in this Me Too movement and this attack on the comedian.
What's his name?
Aziz Ansari.
Ansari.
Ansari.
Okay.
Now, look, I know that I make fun about women, and the reason is that teasing women is my life.
This is the project of my life.
It's my life's work.
It's what I'm here to do.
But the fact is, I feel women are really ill-served and are caught in a double bind.
Women, all studies show this.
What studies show and they say is that women are more conformist than men.
But I don't think that's the right way to put it, actually, in my experience of women.
It's not that women are more conformist.
It is that they are more sensitive to social pressure, that they are more likely to say, you know, this is what's going on.
These are the morals of the society I'm in.
I will fulfill that role.
And men can go off a little bit on their own.
And I don't mean, by the way, when I say men, I mean men.
I don't mean boys.
A lot of people say, you know, well, millennials feel this way.
Yeah, let them grow up a little bit and let them become men.
And then they'll see that sometimes they're going to break away from what everybody says and they're going to go their own way.
I mean, I'm a guy who, you know, every day somebody calls me racist.
Every day somebody calls me sexist.
Somebody calls me a name.
I don't care.
I am going to say what I think is true and go the way that I go.
That's because I'm a guy.
Okay.
I'm a man.
That is the way men frequently behave.
But women tend to want to blend in and be part of the society they're in.
So what's the problem?
The problem is the only voices that they are likely to hear in the larger society are feminist voices.
Why?
Because if you're on TV, if you're a woman on TV, what are you not doing?
You're not at home.
You're not building a home for your family.
You're not taking care of your kids.
You know, when you see a newslady on TV and she's got, and you just saw her pregnant two months ago and now she's back on TV, somebody is being paid to take care of her kids, okay?
And because of feminism, feminism has shut down anybody who says, well, wait a minute, you know, if you have a kid, maybe you got to take care of them.
Kids need their mothers.
They need their mothers.
They need fathers too, but in a different way.
When kids are little, they need mothers.
And nobody will say it, right?
Because when you say it, especially if it's me, they'll shut you down any way they can.
Well, you're a man.
You have no right to speak.
You're white.
You have no right to speak.
You're old.
You're out of it.
You're not the guy.
So you never hear that voice.
You never are getting pressure, except always, always, always from one side.
It's always one side, the feminist side that you are getting.
And anybody who speaks against it will be shut down, even if it's a woman.
And if it's a woman who says, you know, hey, you know, I'm taking care of my kids.
I'm in my home.
I'm building a home for my family so that they have a place, a base to work out of, you're not going to hear from her at all.
You're not going to hear from her.
She's not going to be on TV.
She's not going to be writing.
She's going to be doing something important instead of what I'm doing right now, right?
She's going to be doing shaping actual lives and building actual futures and creating an actual home, which is the central role of people in human life.
Everything else is just to support that role.
So you only are hearing this one side.
And I'm not here to tell anybody how to live.
I am just saying that if, you know, I see these bumper stickers.
Bumper sticker says good girls don't make history.
And I think history, history, history is just one long line of people killing each other.
That's what, you know, leftists are always saying, you white people, you came in and you took the land away from the indigenous people.
Yeah, you know what we interrupted them doing?
We interrupted them taking the land away from each other.
That's what history is.
History is people taking land away from each other, enslaving the people they capture and killing them, and then building their own society.
The only thing about the Europeans-based societies is they really work well.
So not only do we get to kill everybody, but then we get an iPhone.
That's the improvement that we get because they were killing people before we got here.
Now we kill people.
Now we actually have a more peaceful society than we've ever had before.
So being part of history is not that big a deal.
Being on TV may not be that big a deal.
These are things that society is constantly, constantly telling you that you should do.
And one of the things that has happened in our society is that the standard of sexual morality since the 60s has changed so drastically that a woman who goes on a date is basically expected, expected to, especially by the third date, to have sex with the guy she's with.
And now we start to see all these women coming out in this Me Too movement who maybe feel like, hey, you know what?
That system really, so to speak, screwed me.
That system did not do that well for me.
So now we have this thing with this comedian.
Now, I have to be honest, the only thing I know about Aziz Anzari is I listened to a bit of his book, Modern Romance.
I didn't find it that entertaining, so I stopped.
But I hear he's very funny and he's a lefty and he's some kind of brown-skinned person.
So he has all the lefty credentials.
In fact, let's have a look at him selling feminism on the Letterman Show.
Here he is putting out his feminist cred on the on the David Letterman Show.
I feel like if you do believe that, if you believe that men and women have equal rights, if someone asks if you're feminist, you have to say yes, because that is how words work.
Like, you can't be like, oh, yeah, I'm a doctor that primarily does diseases of the skin.
Oh, so you're a dermatologist?
Oh, no, that's way too aggressive a word.
No, no, no, not at all, not at all.
Yeah.
And this is another test, okay?
You're a feminist if you go to a Jay-Z and Beyonce concert, and you're not like, I feel like Beyonce should get 23% less money than Jay-Z.
Also, I don't think Beyonce should have the right to vote.
And why is Beyonce singing and dancing?
Shouldn't she make Jay a steak?
I'm sure he's very tired after walking and rapping those two songs.
You know, I define myself as an anti-feminist.
I am anti-feminist.
I am an individualist.
I believe everybody should do what they want, but that doesn't mean your choices are right or that your choices are good for you or that your choices are going to give you a happy life.
And that when, you know, when you get older and you've been on TV all these years and your kids are saying, hey, how come you didn't take care of me?
Where were you when I was a kid?
How come like the nanny was taking care of me?
Maybe that's not going to be such a great later life.
Maybe you're going to find out that you did something meaningless, talk on TV, when you could have been doing something meaningful like raising children and fashioning their lives and giving them a mother that is going to stick with them forever until the day they die.
So anyway, on a website, I think it was called babe.com, an anonymous woman, I mean, this is insane.
An anonymous woman came out and said she had a bad date with this guy, with this comedian.
She met him at the Emmys.
They texted back and forth.
They went out on a date.
He took her home.
It sounded to me like he was clumsy and overly aggressive.
There was some oral sex involved.
I'm not going to go into all the details, but ultimately she said, I don't want to do this.
He put her in an Uber and sent her home.
He sounded very clumsy, like, you know, he thought one thing was going on.
She thought another thing was going on.
He has reacted by saying, we went out to dinner and afterwards we ended up engaging in sexual activity.
This is, I'm sorry, he said this, which by all indications was completely consensual.
And the next day I got a text from her saying that although it may have seemed okay, upon further reflection, she felt uncomfortable.
It was true.
And so he does, you know, he feels bad about it.
He says it was true that everything did seem okay to me.
So when I heard that it was not the case for her, I was surprised and concerned.
I took her words to heart and responded privately after taking the time to process what she had said.
didn't stop her from coming out anonymously, which is just, I mean, one of the most basic rights is to face your accuser and accusing him of doing all this stuff.
So now the left, which sold to women, relentlessly sold this new sexual morality to women, especially feminists.
You should be just like men.
You have just as much right to sex as men.
You have just as right to be unfeeling and have an endless, you know, we shouldn't, you know, because women, because women are more affected by social constructs.
That's why you hear women saying, don't slut shame me.
Don't fat shame me.
Don't, you know, beauty shame me.
Don't, you don't hear men saying that.
You know, do I care whether you racists shame me or sexists?
No, I mean, I don't care.
But that's what women are doing.
And of course, the thing is, some shame is there for a reason.
You feel shame because you treated yourself badly.
You feel shame or guilt because you did something wrong.
So when you take all those things away, you're just acting in a vacuum without any moral instruction whatsoever, and you're going to make mistakes.
So now the left is complaining.
Here is Ashley Banfield, the CNN crime reporter, coming out and saying that this woman has destroyed, has set the Me Too movement back.
If you're lucky, there's a really good chance that you're not going to experience the toxic work environment that the rest of us have endured.
And that is because of the remarkable progress being made against the Harvey Weinsteins and the Kevin Spaceys of the world.
The Me Too movement has righted a lot of wrongs, and it has made your career path much smoother.
And here's where I'm guessing it's going to be a long career path.
You're 23.
What a gift.
Yet you looked that gift horse in the mouth and chiseled away at that powerful movement with your public accusation.
And I'm going to repeat this because it's important.
If you were sexually assaulted, go to the cops.
If you were sexually harassed, jeopardizing your work, speak up and speak out loud.
But by your own descriptions, that is not what happened.
You had an unpleasant date and you did not leave.
That is on you.
Finally, finally, somebody said this.
I said this several months ago where I said, you know, if somebody breaks the law, report it to the police.
If they violate the rules of the place where they work or the club that they belong to, throw them out.
If not, slap them and move on.
That's on you.
And finally, now the left is saying this.
But this is another one of these torpedoes that the left has fired at Donald Trump that has turned around and blown up their own ship.
And the reason is Donald Trump, they're always accusing people on the right, and especially religious people, of hypocrisy.
They don't really know what the word hypocrisy means.
They think it means sinning when you think something is sinful.
That's not what hypocrisy means.
Hypocrisy means preaching one thing and living in a totally different way.
Donald Trump hasn't done that.
He was a billionaire who ran beauty pageants and prided himself on sleeping not only with every woman he could get close to, but with other people's wives.
I mean, that's so everything we hear about him doesn't touch him, doesn't affect him.
Michelle Shell Goldberg over at Knucklehead Row in the New York Times wrote this piece saying, in retrospect, the dynamics of the Clinton-era culture wars seem blissfully simple, pitting a sexually libertarian left against an aggressively prudish right.
It is a cosmic irony, a cosmic irony, that 20 years later, it is conservatives who finally killed off the last remaining unspoken rules about presidential sexual ethics.
So it's Donald Trump's fault that they've gotten caught with a bad system.
It's a bad system.
And Heather McDonald, one of the great writers, I say this all the time.
She's one of the great reporters in the country.
She's over at City Journal, terrific magazine.
She wrote this piece at City Journal about policing sexual ethics.
And she was on TV explaining some of the things she was talking about, how the left has brought us to this pass where women are exposed.
Men and women have different biological drives.
Their libidos are different.
And we had a set of norms that restrained the male libido, norms of gentlemanliness and courtesy and chivalry.
And we had a default for premarital sex for females that was no.
And that gave females the power to say yes, but they didn't have to negotiate with the male libido at every instance of some drunken coupling.
Sexual liberation threw that all out and said men and women should go mano amano on the sexual battlefield.
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They're equal in their desires, equal in their responses to casual sex.
And it turns out, when you set the default at yes for premarital sex, a lot of women have a hard time negotiating a no.
And instead of recognizing that we've sort of screwed up the default settings and are working against biology, women are blaming the patriarchy when the opposite is the case.
That's it exactly.
They're blaming the patriarchy when the opposite is the case.
It is feminism that led them to this pretty past and feminism that so enraps them and envelops them that they can't get out of that social order because there's no one saying what I'm saying to you right now.
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Let me finish this off, and then we'll get to Owen Benjamin, the comedian, the non-PC comedian.
Let me just finish this off by talking about the fact that women, because of feminism, women are now in a position where they have to rebel against the societal norms.
It is natural to women to sort of follow those norms.
It is time for women individually to create them.
You can't wait for the world to fix itself.
You have to fix you.
You are responsible for fixing you.
You want to live a better life?
Start treating your body like a woman's body.
I'm saying this because I'm an old guy.
I've got my woman.
I'm not looking for anything.
I'm not on the run.
I'm not on the prowl.
I don't want anything from anybody.
I want you to live your best life.
That's all I want.
I've got no skin in the game.
That's what gives me the power to say this.
You want to live a better life?
Start treating your body like a woman's body.
The reason there is a price for admission into a woman's body is because the consequences are so high.
You get pregnant, you're going to have a choice between having that baby or having an abortion.
Either one of those may not work out well.
I mean, the baby, look, the baby's going to be a beautiful new person, and that's great.
The abortion, you're going to live with for the rest of your life.
So, you know, there should be a very, very high price of admission.
That price should be commitment, and it shouldn't be because some guy just happens to be excited that day, has happened to have a couple of drinks, happens to want what he wants.
You know, you have to make that decision.
You have to set up the rules.
And if each person does that, if each woman does that, then that will become the social norm.
So maybe instead of listening to Megan Kelly, who has a baby and is back on the air a week later, maybe, maybe you should be listening to God.
Maybe you should be listening to your pastor.
Maybe you should be listening to the wisdom of the ages, which has worked for thousands of years.
Maybe you should turn off the TV and consult your own heart.
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Owen, it's good to have you here.
How you doing?
Oh, thanks for having me, man.
I'm a big fan.
Oh, thanks.
Thanks very much.
Well, I got to say, I've been following your story, and it really is amazing the level of pressure to conform and to shut up that you are under.
I mean, you've been banned from comedy clubs.
Is that fair to say?
Yeah, I was because of my stance on trans children, which is that it's child abuse.
I wasn't allowed to do a gig at UConn, and then I lost my agent.
I was at CAA, and they dropped me because of that.
And I know that you probably experienced some of this stuff as a writer as well, where it's like, you can't, like, I can be clean.
I don't have to swear out of respect for certain audiences, but I can't change my thoughts.
And I have to think clearly.
And if they tell me I have to lie about fundamental things that I don't believe, I can't be funny.
So I had to face this struggle.
And fortunately, I came out on the other side with, it's really fun being on the other side and just being able to say whatever you want.
And people have been so supportive.
And I'm having a blast with it.
I mean, it really is a quandary for people like us.
I mean, I've lost publishing contracts.
I've lost film deals.
I calculate that my opinions have cost me in the millions of dollars.
There's really no question about it.
But our words are all we've got.
I mean, the things, our perspective is all we have to sell.
And if we're not telling the truth about it, what are we?
I mean, we're basically worthless.
Exactly.
It's just taken out the fundamental engine of what makes us valuable in the first place.
You know, and the craziest thing, the thing that gave me the creeps about the Hollywood world is they would be like, oh, you're terrible.
Like what you say is really bad.
And I'd look at them in the eye.
I'm talking famous people that are still my friends, but secretly, apparently now.
Where I'd be like, do you think a five-year-old's trans?
And do you think they should be put on hormone blockers?
Like, yes or no?
Do you think that?
And they're like, no.
I'm like, so what exactly did I say that you have a problem with?
And then I realized that when you're going after power acquisition and not ethics and morality or the good joke or just, you know, your purpose in life, you have to basically sign a Faustian deal where you just slide anywhere they want you to go.
And I'm like, comedy can't exist that way.
And now as a greedy capitalist, I see that there's a massive underserved market.
I did a tweet where it was all the late night hosts.
It got like 20,000 retweets.
I think Shapiro retweeted a couple of guys retweeted it that you guys work with.
And it just had all the late night hosts.
And I said, every one of them endorsed the same candidate.
They all have the same views.
Ladies and gentlemen, comedy.
And when you see that it's become propaganda, just anybody that just won't do that, just won't be leftist.
There's just so many hungry people just looking to laugh, you know, with like family-oriented comedy, comedy about being, you know, it's a great time to be married with this Me Too.
I mean, there's never been a better time to just be married with children and just, you know, and I almost feel like being a family guy and being Christian and being like, you know, hardworking is the new punk, like punk.
Like people are like, how dare you?
You're crazy, man.
I can't believe you think that, you know, there is good and bad in the world.
It is really true that we are the, I mean, the fact that at my age, I'm part of the counterculture is one of the great ironies of my life.
I mean, this is when I wanted to look like a banker and have a three-piece suit and, you know, smoke a pipe and everything like this.
And instead, I am the hippie of the modern world.
It's an incredible irony.
I went from hacky to rebel in a year with the same jokes.
You know, because I've always, and it's like, they keep talking about toxic masculinity.
I think there's a toxic femininity happening because comedy is usually a few years ahead of the curve because we're going for what makes people laugh and react.
We can't do the agenda stuff.
And maybe eight years ago, I did a bit on how women are socialist and men are capitalists.
And you can see it in our groups where, you know, women protect the weak.
Like if one girl's sad, I'll just do that very quickly.
I don't want to do the whole thing.
But if one girl's sad, they're like, Tina's sad.
Look her tears.
We're out of here.
And then if one guy is sad, they're like, dude, get away from us, Kevin.
You're a bummer.
But then the opposite is true.
But the opposite is true where it's like, he's the funniest.
Put him on stage.
He's the fastest.
Make him captain.
And women are like, she's the prettiest.
Tell everybody she has herpes.
And now this, it's true.
This whole safe space PC thing is motivated by this overindulgence of that.
And I think a lot of it comes from women hit a certain age without children.
So they try to baby the entire world.
And because these instincts are good when you have a one-year-old.
Like my wife is, it's phenomenal with that.
It's like, it's about safety.
You know, this kid, everything he does is great.
And just keep him away from the electric gauntlets and safety, safety, safety.
And that's awesome with the child.
It's not awesome when you're, you know, Jealousy Handler with a Twitter account.
It's like, stop babying me.
I'm a grown-up with my own house.
You know what I mean?
And so that's, and now I would do that.
And, you know, CAA loves it.
And all these movie stars love it.
And I'm hosting all these galas and all this stuff.
And the same jokes, you know, Patton Oswald's retweeting me.
And then three years later, I'm now enemy of the state with the same jokes.
And I'm like, oh, you guys have no consistency.
It's about power with you guys.
What did CAA say to you?
I have to know this.
Like, what did they say when they got rid of you?
Just that I'm being, I'm acting crazy on Twitter.
It's because I said a name of a man.
And see, it's almost like Genesis, where if you name something, it becomes real.
You know, where all these people just keep being like, oh, we have to fight for children.
We have to fight for women.
It's like, who's raping?
Say a name.
And there's this one guy, this guy, Jesse Thorne.
And I read this article about him.
He has a six-year-old boy that he's saying is a girl.
And he's calling the boy Grace.
And he's a big NPR host and he's in all the right circles.
And on Twitter, I'm like, are you planning on giving this kid hormone blockers?
And he was like, the doctors are experts and they think, you know, whatever's right for Grace.
And I'm like, you're a monster.
Yeah.
I'm like, this is wrong.
This is child abuse.
And then I'm getting swarmed by blue check marks, not even like trolls, like people, like best-selling authors are coming at me.
And I just wouldn't back down because I fortunately have a strong family.
Like my family's awesome.
And my brother's an arborist and I can just do tree work.
You know, I could make, I could make 50 grand a week and then the next week be making $20 an hour and not much changes in my life.
And I was willing to do that full shift.
Like I still do tree work with them all the time.
And they couldn't dangle that carrot in front of me because I'm like, man, when you get rich, you have the same nightmares just on sheets with a higher thread count.
You know what I mean?
And I'm like, Julius Caesar took over the whole world.
He got a salad.
Because money's awesome.
I'm not saying money's bad.
It just amplifies your purpose.
You know, if you're rich and a good person, you can take your family to France.
That's right.
But if you're not, you just self-destruct.
So, and my wife is so awesome.
And she's a stay-at-home mom, but masters in engineering saw our son and really connected and wanted to stay home.
Just like my mom was a professor, quit to raise us.
And that's probably why I understand nuance and micro expressions in people's faces.
And I don't wait on said autism like a lot of these millennial kids.
And so that's what made me, you know, I was still calling myself a liberal.
And all my conservative friends are like, it's weird, buddy, but every single thing you say is conservative.
Why are you calling yourself a liberal?
I know.
I know.
I see this.
Yeah, because that's the right answer, right?
Isn't it liberal other good people?
Like, I literally be like, oh, I'm a liberal, but, you know, I'm not into abortion.
And I don't like big government.
You know, and it just, I would list like everything I believe.
People are like, oh, no, you're not at all a liberal.
And I'm like, really?
And just the Overton window just flew off a cliff, you know?
And you see the left now.
I mean, they're imploding like with this Twitter, this big Project Veritas.
And now they don't have a stance.
They're just power acquisition monsters, you know?
Right.
And now they're like, oh, it's a private company.
They get to do what they want.
And I'm like, remember that when a gay guy wants a cake, you know?
And I think that's the big difference is the left will acquire power and the right kind of has to stick with their guns, even in bad times.
Well, you know, that in the long run, that always wins.
Like Ben Shapiro is now a feminist, and he always was, you know, but you just don't see it until things get this maddening where it's like, treat women right.
You're a feminist.
It's like, get married, have kids, know that they're different and deserve respect.
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Don't just sleep with strangers.
You know, like, if you become one of these like reckless, aborting feminists, you just end up sad with a silly hat.
So, you know, I always hear from leftists, well, you know, right-wingers just aren't funny.
And I always say right-wingers aren't funny because leftists have no sense of humor.
I mean, that's the, you know, the minute you start laughing at them, they don't think it's funny.
But what I want to know is, how did you, now you get blacklisted, you get sent away by CAA.
And people ask me this question all the time.
So I want to ask you, how did you get through?
How did you move to the next phase?
What was the plan?
Well, two things.
First, real quick, when people say people on the right aren't funny, I don't think people realize how many massive movie stars and TV creators and comedians are actually not on the left, but they don't say it because they don't want to jeopardize a billion dollars.
Like I'm friends with some guys, you know, which is sad in a sense because I have a friend worth, I don't know, $300 million, and I'm more free than him.
Yeah.
Because I get to just be like, ah, no, the blue-haired feminists is psychotic.
And he's like, man, I wish I could say that.
I'm like, you have all the money.
Like, I'm, all right.
So, anyway, so how did I get through it?
Well, I got to give props to Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin because, you know, I've done Fallon, I've done Leno, I've done all these shows.
And when you get blacklisted, they take away all your ability of speaking to the public in any big forum.
So one thing that happens is the Streisand effect.
You know, my YouTube went from 3,000 to 70,000 in two months where it's just like, and people respected that I stood up for something.
And so people came to me.
And then Joe Rogan had me on twice in two months.
And then Dave Rubin had me on.
And Stephen Crowder, I became very close with.
And we did a lot of sketches together.
And, you know, Dave Smith, who has a libertarian podcast, you know, Stefan Maun, who had me on, like all these people that they just were like, tell your story.
And I'm like, thank you very much.
And I just kind of reshaped my career.
And I thought I was going to lose everything.
But thankfully for Patreon and super chats on YouTube and just these little things that I'm now self-producing another special that I'm shooting in my hometown.
And it's never been better.
I mean, and my wife tells me how much happier I seem and she has pride in what I did, you know, and it's just a good time to be a comedian.
It's an amazing thing.
Yeah, it's art.
It is art and it's not propaganda.
And it's not about getting, you know, I said something on Twitter that some people shared where I was like, you know, the difference between propaganda and comedy is comedy makes people laugh.
Propaganda makes people clap.
I'm like, right?
You just laugh because it's funny.
Stephen Colbert said something and people clap, just like a Stalinist, you know, haul where they're just scared to be the first person to stop clapping.
And, you know, the marketplace of ideas is just like the marketplace of everything.
And they will fail.
And they will fail with no spirit left.
And it's just like the Gulag archipelago of jokes.
I don't think the stakes, I don't think the stakes are as high as Solja Nitson's time, but it's a similar type of soul-crushing march to your own demise.
You know, their eyes don't shine like they used to.
Yep, no, there's no question about this.
You know, I mean, our old friend, Uncle Jesus, said the truth will make you free.
And he knew a thing or two.
And obviously, I can see, I can see looking at you that it's a liberating experience, and I know it for a fact.
It's unreal.
Yeah.
And I was raised Christian and I was agnostic for a while.
As my son was being born, I just prayed very hard and I couldn't go back from that experience.
Right.
And so that's what got me back into Christianity because, you know, you pray in turbulence, you know, and then you kind of forget.
Like when your son's being born and his heart stops and you pray to God like you beg God, there's really, once the plane lands, there's really no going back from that.
And so that's been a wonderful experience.
It's a beautiful thing.
Hey, I got to go, Owen, but it's really nice talking to you.
And you can get tickets for your tours at www.hugepianist.com.
Is that right?
Yes.
Yeah, I'm 6'7 and I play the piano.
I'm trying to be very accurate.
Well, come back again.
I'd like to talk to you again.
Really good talking to you.
I'd love to.
Big fan.
Lighter, man.
Thanks a lot.
I mean, he's funnier sitting down than every guy on late night, you know, lecturing us, Jimmy Kimmel crying and all this stuff.
I have to tell this one joke.
Have I told the parking spot joke?
I haven't heard it.
A guy is going to his first job interview, and he's going around the block and he can't find a parking space.
And he says, God, please, I need this job so much.
Please, please give me a parking space.
If you'll give me a parking space, I will tithe myself.
I'll give 10% of everything I make to the church.
I'll go to church every Sunday.
I'll be so loyal.
Please just give me a parking space.
And a car right in front of him pulls out of a parking space, leaving him in an open spot.
And he says, oh, never mind, God, there's one.
That reminded me.
So Owen, when he realized when he prayed, he had to be had to have integrity and stick with it.
All right, let us have sexual follies.
I have to find my, oh, this is, this is, I just love this story.
I just love this story.
Some, you know, we were talking about the women's march.
We started talking about the women's march.
And now some of the women are saying you can't wear the vagina hats because some women are men and don't have vaginas.
And this is, of course, this incredibly crazy.
I mean, look, if you're a woman who thinks you're a man, that's a very painful situation.
You're a man who thinks he's a woman.
That's a very painful situation.
But it doesn't make you a woman.
It doesn't make you a man.
You're not.
You're not.
And even, I'm sorry, but even if you have an operation, God bless you.
Do whatever you want.
You know, live your best life.
It's fine with me.
But you are a woman when you grow up as a girl and you become a woman and you go through that experience.
That's an experience.
That is a lived experience that you have.
It doesn't happen in your mind.
It happens in your body and your mind and your soul.
And so now there are actually people who are claiming that if a man will not date a man who says he's a woman, that he is, what do they call it, transphobic.
They always have a good name for stuff.
And there was this BBC reality show called Celebrity Big Brother.
And one of the people on it was talking to a former singer named Ginuwine.
And Ginuwine turned down a kiss from fellow contestant India Willoughby, a TV journalist who had transitioned from male to female.
Well, first of all, no, he didn't.
He didn't.
He's still a male.
He may have had any operation in the world, and we can call him, find some name for that.
But it is kind of comical.
It is kind of comical to me that two years ago, five years ago, we were arguing about whether homosexuality was moral.
And people like me were saying, listen, it doesn't hurt anybody.
Live the life you're going to live.
If that's the way you have sex, that's fine.
And now we're being told that heterosexuality is essentially a form of bigotry.
Heterosexuality, being attracted to the person you're attracted to, who happens to be women, is somehow an act of bigotry.
The big thing about transgenderism is that it is a completely unimportant issue.
It's an issue that was brought forward by a left that seeks to find ways to curtail what you can think and what you can say.
That's all it's about.
It's all it's about.
As a nation, we do not need to address the fact that some people are confused about their gender.
As a nation, we can ignore it completely.
Let me tell you something.
You go down to City Hall in LA, there's a tint town of homeless people, people sleeping out in the street.
When I was in New York and it was 15 below zero, I mean, it was freezing cold.
There were guys out in the street with their dogs, veterans, wrapped up in pillows with little signs saying, I'm a vet.
Here's my dog.
Give me some money.
That's a problem.
That's a problem that we're all going to have to address.
We're all, you know, left and right.
We're all going to have to figure out a way to get people off the street.
The fact that some people don't know what bathroom to use and are confused about their gender, it just is not important.
It is not an important issue.
But it's all about, it's all about constructing this world of silence, this cone of silence, so that only the feminist perspective can come out.
Only that social pressure can be brought to bear.
And it's women especially who suffer from this because men will break away.
Guys like Owen Benjamin will break away.
But women are wrapped in this cone of social norms that is created by a massive, massive corporate machine that includes the networks, that includes the late night comedy shows, that silent Twitter, Google, that silence any voice that rises up and speaks against them.
They are out there doing this to get you and especially women there, especially after women.
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