Ep. 363 dissects Charlottesville’s violence, where Heather Heyer died amid white supremacist chants and Trump’s "many sides" remark, later condemned as insufficient. Michael Knowles exposes the alt-right’s fringe tactics—co-opting conservative language via figures like Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor—while warning young disillusioned recruits risk radicalization. A 1947 propaganda clip reveals how exclusionary rhetoric backfires, mirroring today’s identity politics hypocrisy, as Stanford’s "abolish whiteness" course and leftist policies deepen racial grievances. Clavin argues both sides’ bigotry is morally equivalent, urging forgiveness over retribution to counter cultural decay. [Automatically generated summary]
First of all, let me say without fear or equivocation that any movement that burns tiki torches but doesn't serve my ties is clearly on the wrong track.
Also, there's the whole hateful racist dirtbag thing that's not so good either.
Secondly, in their latest rally, many of these white supremacists were chanting, Jews will not replace us.
If that's true, it's a tremendous disappointment.
After all, if we could replace white supremacists with Jews, the IQ of the country would rise dramatically, and more people would be doctors and lawyers instead of sitting around in their mothers' basements, pleasuring themselves while staring at pictures of Hitler and calling it date night.
So, if they really cared about this country, I believe the white supremacists would rethink their Jews will not replace us philosophy and maybe change their slogan to, please replace us with Jews as quickly as possible.
And here's another thing.
This Hitler character these white supremacists are so fond of, I'm not sure he was as great a guy as they think he was.
I mean, sure, he was a creepy little lunatic who caused the needless deaths of over 60 million people, but his career wasn't all roses.
After all, the man promised Germany a thousand-year Reich and instead turned the place into a rubble-strewn vacant lot, so it's not exactly a success story.
Maybe instead of waving those swastika flags of theirs, the white supremacists should wave flags that say, let's give a big Ixne to the whole Nazi business so we don't kill everyone and destroy the country like Hitler did.
Hopefully they'll be smart enough to do that after we replace them with Jews.
And now let's talk about blacks.
I hear some people saying, okay, black men and women are among the most talented artists and athletes our country has produced.
Blacks have been great thinkers like Thomas Sowell and world-renowned statesmen like Martin Luther King.
But some of these radical black protesters are violent racist dirtbags themselves.
So why can't white people be violent racist dirtbags too?
Well, I think the white supremacists have proved that white people can indeed be violent racist dirtbags.
So congratulations, white people.
If I understand this philosophy right, white supremacists feel that white people are the best people ever.
And in fact, I can think of many white people I admire very much.
Isaac Newton was a good one.
William Shakespeare.
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And I'm very fond of my wife as well.
After all, Newton invented science and Shakespeare created great literature and my wife is one of the nicest people you could meet.
So that makes white people look pretty good.
Unfortunately, when you add in a bunch of white people carrying swastikas and chanting hateful racist garbage, it lowers the white person average until we're no better than anyone else.
So, in conclusion, if white supremacists want to make the white race supreme, they should stop being white supremacists.
Although I'd still prefer to replace them with Jews.
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You know, one of the things, one of the reasons I say that politics is frequently the opposite of religion or the opposite of spiritual wisdom is because it convinces us that the most important thing we have to do is focus on the sins of our opposition.
And of course, those of you who read the gospel will know that we are instructed very carefully, pay attention to what's going on with you.
And so I see all the stuff that's going on.
I see the press using this to attack Trump.
I see the press, the politicians, you know, coming on, putting their fat faces on TV and trying to use evil and this death that took place and these deaths, I should say, that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, and trying to use it to their advantage.
I see that they treat the Nazi terrorists differently than they treat Muslim terrorists.
I see that there's all kind of hypocrisy coming from the left.
And I get that, and I'm going to talk about all of it, and especially, obviously, the stuff that's going on with the president.
But, but, but, let us start among ourselves, because we're all good conservatives here.
Let us gather together and just remind ourselves, these clowns are in our house, okay?
These evil, satanic clowns are in our house.
And it's no good saying, it's no good saying, well, they don't believe what they believe.
Of course they don't believe what we believe.
Of course they don't.
They don't believe in the Constitution.
They don't believe in e pluribus unum.
They don't believe in the great American tradition of bringing people in and transforming them into America through our creed that we conservatives are fighting so hard to defend.
They don't believe in low taxes.
They don't believe in any of this stuff.
They don't believe in America.
They don't believe in the whole thing that makes America what it is.
But they're in our house.
They identify themselves as right wing.
They vote for the people we vote for.
They have their slogans, unite the right, and all this stuff.
It's no good.
You know, when the devil is in your house, you got to take care of that.
It's no good saying, well, the devil is in the other guy's house, too.
Of course he is.
But let's not mince words about it.
And by the way, by the way, one of the things I think the right wing prides itself on, and rightly so, rightly so, is we pride ourselves in remembering our Christian tradition, the fact that everything we have, everything we believe in, everything that's good about this country ultimately rests on that building block of Judeo-Christian ideas and Christ himself and on the things that he preached.
And a lot of these right-wingers, a lot of these alt-right Nazis say, well, we don't believe in Jesus, but we believe in the tradition of Christianity.
Well, no, they don't.
You know, no, they don't.
Look, you cannot believe that man is made in the image of God.
You cannot believe that the Lord came and said in so many words, here are the commandments.
Here are the two big commandments.
Love God.
And here's the next one, because it's right next to it, is love your neighbor as yourself and then become a racist.
You cannot go around telling God what his image should look like, okay?
So these guys violate everything that we are.
They are evil and they violate every, and they stand for evil and they violate everything that we are.
And they're in our house.
They are in our house.
Okay, we're going to talk about the left.
We're going to talk about all the hypocritical and nasty things they do, but let's not mince words about it.
Okay, these guys need to be swept out and they need to be discarded and we need to turn our back on them and walk away.
And by the way, if in some moment of anger, if in some moment of personal problems or something, something they've said has made sense to you or you've gone online and said something that sort of links you to them, that was yesterday.
Today, walk away.
Walk away.
These guys are not the good guys.
They are the bad guys and they're in our house and we have to reject them.
So what happened?
You know, let's just go quickly over this thing.
They have a park in Charlottesville.
This is not Charlotte, North Carolina.
This is Charlottesville, Virginia, which has that beautiful, that's where UVA is.
And it's a beautiful city.
I've been there.
And which Jefferson designed and all this stuff.
Anyway, they have a park with a statue.
It has Robert E. Lee statue.
They had a vote to get rid of the Robert E. Lee statue and rename this park from Lee Park to Emancipation Park, celebrating, obviously, the emancipation.
Personally, I'm always against removing this kind of Soviet idea that you remove the past if you don't like it, but it's their town.
It's not our town.
You know, if we're conservatives, we believe in federalism.
We believe all the power should be concentrated on the individual and then locally and then the state.
And only at the last, in the last necessity, should it go up to Washington.
It's their town.
If they want to do this, that's up to them.
These guys came in from out of town to start trouble.
They showed up loaded for bear.
They showed up armed.
They showed up with helmets.
They showed up with weapons.
And the left came out to protest them.
Now, the left, you know, another problem for us on the right is that the good folks, the religious folks who are just saying, love your neighbor, you know, we reject white supremacy, never mind our politics, whatever they are, they're also standing with the anti-Pha guys.
And the anti-Fi guys are fascists.
They are fascists.
So while we were getting ready for the show, Donald Trump came out and made a second statement.
And we're going to get to that in a minute.
We're going to get to that in a minute.
But first, let's play the statement that he made at the time.
He was honoring some veterans, and he paused, hearing about what's going on, and he gave what seemed to be a prepared statement.
So this is cut number one, and this is what has caused all the anti-Trump controversy.
We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides.
It's been going on for a long time in our country.
Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama.
This has been going on for a long, long time.
It has no place in America.
What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives.
Now, so he said the hatred is on all sides, and this drives the left crazy.
How can you compare?
How can you make moral equivalence between these Nazis and wonderful, lovely people like Anti-Fa, who they must be anti-fascists writing their name while they're hitting you while they're wearing a balaclava and hitting you over the head with a stick, and the Black Lives Matter people who include people who say, you know, pigs in a blanket, cook them up, whatever they say, who incite violence and who have committed violence against police officers in the name of their loving peace.
So, you know, Trump is right as far as it goes.
He's right as far as it goes.
Obviously, there was this stuff during his campaign where he didn't step up and immediately condemn David Duke.
People felt it wasn't dog whistles.
They just felt he was being too soft on it.
So they go nuts.
And I just want to play, I want to remind you, well, let me do this in order.
All right.
First, here's Peter Alexander.
What is he?
I can't remember.
CBS, I think.
I think he's CBS.
But NBC, sorry, NBC News, right?
And he's interviewing Vice President Mike Pence.
And he's like, can imagine what Trump could have meant?
You know, here he is.
He said on many sides.
Name those sides.
What are the sides?
Well, look, as I said today, we condemn in the strongest terms the hate and violence advocated by groups like white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and their ilk.
But that's one side.
What's the other side when he says on many sides?
Well, as you look throughout the course of recent years, we've seen protests turn violent.
We've seen fringe groups use peaceful protest environment to bring violence in some cases against police officers.
But only one group yesterday.
With respect, with only one group yesterday, Mr. Vice President, killed an American.
And we're bringing the full weight of the federal government to bear on investigating and prosecuting that individual for that heinous act that took the life of that innocent woman.
I will tell you, Peter, that I take issue with the fact that many in the media are spending more time criticizing how the president addressed the issue of the city.
But this is Lauren Hatch and Corey Gardner, sir.
It's not me.
I'm reading their quotes.
Many in the media have spent an awful lot of time focusing on what the president said and criticisms of what the president said, instead of criticizing those who brought that hatred and violence to the streets of Charlottesville, Virginia.
All right, so let's take a look and listen to what Trump has now said.
He came out this morning with a new statement.
I haven't heard it yet, so I'll hear it for the first time.
Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal.
We are equal in the eyes of our Creator.
We are equal under the law.
And we are equal under our Constitution.
Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.
Okay, that's clear enough.
I think, you know, are they going to pick apart that?
I don't know.
I mean, the whole thing is, the whole thing that's so bothersome is what other side could there possibly, you know, who else is hateful?
How could you call these other people hateful?
Cheryl Gay Stolberg, a New York Times reporter, was there on the scene and she tweeted out, you know, that she was surprised at how that the anti-FA protesters were also filled with, as she put it, hate-filled violence.
And the Twitter reverse just piled on top of her until, of course, like all leftists, she apologized, the Stalinist show trials, and she apologized for what she said.
But it's just true.
And let us not forget our former president, while we're picking on Donald Trump.
Every word that comes out of his mouth has to be, you know, turned against him and made into a big thing.
But while we're picking on him, let us not forget our former president and how he reacted when a Muslim-shouting Allahu Akbar opened fire in Fort Hood in 2009 and killed 13 people.
Let's hear the powerful statement against Islamist terrorism that came out of that president.
I want to begin by offering an update on the tragedy that took place yesterday at Fort Hood.
This morning I met with FBI Director Mueller and the relevant agencies to discuss their ongoing investigation into what caused one individual to turn his gun on fellow servicemen and women.
We don't know all the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts.
So how would it have been?
I mean, just transpose that.
How would it have been if Donald Trump had gotten up and said, let's not rush to judgment.
Let's not rush to judgment on who is to blame here until we have all the facts.
And by the way, just to finish this thought, remember when the cop started bothering the Harvard, the black Harvard professor in Cambridge?
Remember?
So he said, don't rush to judgment.
Don't make any decisions until wait until we get all the facts.
And here's what Obama said then, same year.
I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that, but I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry.
Number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly.
So all I'm saying, all I'm saying is, you know, Trump has made some mistakes about this.
If I were in his shoes, what I would have said is there's hatred on all sides.
But some of these guys who support me have to know that they're not helping me or my administration.
My administration does not support this.
I'm not the friend of these philosophies.
You know, if you want to make America great again, because let's, look, you know, America has had greater days than it's having right now.
And during those days, there were injustices that need to be put away.
We want a new greatness.
We want a greatness that doesn't have that stuff.
There's nothing wrong with Trump saying that.
There's nothing that would hurt his efforts and his agenda for him to come out and say, look, there's about 10 of these guys in the country.
There are not that many of them.
Even here, they do a lot of work.
These right-wing fascists do a lot of work to make themselves seem like there are more of them than there are.
There aren't that many of them.
They didn't put Donald Trump over the top.
They're not the reason he won the election.
He can obviously just say, look, if you actually favor my administration, you have to not be this guy.
Put it away.
The guy who really bugged me of all of these people was Michael Signer, the mayor of Charlottesville.
And of course, I feel for him.
It's a horrible thing to happen to his city.
But he basically laid this directly at Trump's door.
Let's listen to this.
Well, look at the campaign he ran.
I mean, look at the intentional courting, both on the one hand of all these white supremacists, white nationalist group like that, anti-Semitic groups, and then look on the other hand, the repeated failure to step up, condemn, denounce, silence, put to bed all those different efforts, just like we saw yesterday.
I mean, this is not hard.
There's two words that need to be said over and over again, domestic terrorism and white supremacy.
That is exactly what we saw on display this weekend.
And we just aren't seeing leadership from the White House.
We certainly are going to see leadership from cities like Charlottesville, from mayors, from leaders all around the country, left and right, Republicans and Democrats, if there's an issue that can unite this country, that this can be a turning point for this democracy.
I think it just happened right now this weekend in Charlottesville.
You know, to be honest, it doesn't matter much to me whether he's already on the sidelines and think of so many issues, but the country is going to move ahead.
This will be a turning point for the country to overcome this stuff, just like we've overcome these challenges in our past.
And I think it's happening right now as we speak.
By the way, again, I know when you hear that and you think domestic terrorism, white supremacism, how come these guys aren't as fast?
He's a Democrat.
Why aren't they as quick to say domestic terrorism, Islamist fundamentalism?
Why was Trump controversial when he did say that?
But, you know, again, let it go.
These guys are in our house.
We have to face them.
We have to purge these people from anything that even looks like our movement.
We have to announce and say repeatedly, you know, I know it's not fair.
I know it's not fair.
And the reason it's not fair, the reason it's not fair is because leftism is racism.
Leftism with its identity politics is now wholly infested with racism.
We're not.
Just like I said before, you can't fight for free speech by silencing other people's speech.
You cannot fight for the Constitution and America and be a racist.
You cannot be a right-wing racist.
The two things simply do not go together.
And anything that looks like that has to be purged out of the movement.
The thing that bothered me about Signer, though, is listen to my pal Doug McElway, the great Fox News street reporter.
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He was out there on the scene.
Listen to his experience with the police in Charlottesville.
And before you lay this at Trump's house, Mayor and Governor Terry McAuliffe, listen to this, what McElway says about the cops.
When I got out of my car yesterday in Charlottesville for the first time at about 10.30 yesterday morning, you knew this was a bad scene and that bad things were going to be happening because people were congregating at Lee Park at Emancipation Park wearing helmets, body armor, carrying big, heavy sticks.
Nobody was intent upon peace here from either side.
People were intent on causing havoc and causing damage.
And even as wounded were being brought out of the park, the police were sitting idly by.
I was standing by a cordoned off area where the police had set up as a staging area.
The state police had set up.
And they said, you can come in here.
This is a safe area.
But when the tear gas started to fly, thrown by protesters, the police themselves began to evacuate that.
I asked the guy who was in charge, he said, where are you going?
He said, we're leaving.
It's too dangerous.
They had an opportunity to nip this thing in the butt, and they chose not to.
That's the state police.
But, you know, the thing is, when you know these people are coming, why are they protesting anywhere near each other?
Why not just put them in different places?
That is the way you avoid these problems.
So I would like to be hearing from Terry McAuliffe, and Terry McAuliffe is out defending the police.
It really sounds, look, it's not the individual cop's job.
It's not the cop on the beats problem.
It's where the orders are coming from.
Where was the order to stand down?
Where was the order to let these people come together?
We're going to have Michael Knowles after the break, but first, let us pause in what I admit is a dark subject to have a little bit more brightness because there's so much.
You know, there's so much about this country.
These guys are so few.
They're so few.
And when we, when the rest of us turn on each other in their name, they are getting some of the stuff that they want.
You know, when we, when the decent people start fighting with each other over these clowns, they are getting some of the stuff.
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The great and powerful Michael Knowles.
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Hey, it's good to see you.
You know, I have to thank you.
You have given me some really terrible assignments before.
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Southside with you, Barry, so on.
I'm really glad you did not send me to Charlottesville this weekend.
That would have been worse than Southside with you.
So I'd just like to thank you on the show.
It would have been a toss-up, Southside or you having your head cracked in by a single person.
That's true.
Fair enough.
How's your show going?
The show's going well.
I want to thank everybody for listening.
We rose up pretty high in the charts and have been doing shockingly well.
I figured we would have been canceled by now, but thanks to viewers like you, somehow I still have a job.
I've tried my best to get you canceled.
And I have to remind people, you have to go on, you cannot let this man, look at this guy's face.
You cannot let this man rise above my show.
And it's all about the reviews.
You got to go on ITunes and review my show and give it good reviews so you can humiliate this man as he so obviously deserves.
So you have written a lot and wrote.
You wrote a really excellent piece a long time, a while back for the Daily WIRE about these.
What do we call them?
I almost hate to call them the alt-right, because it doesn't mean anything.
The word has been watered down to mean nothing.
They've sort of done it.
It's a weird alliance between these guys and the media to make this term so ambiguous that they pull people in, and this this is the cleverness of them.
It's why they called their rally Unite The Right.
This rally was just Neo-confederates Neo-nazis, white nationalists, very they're very small group of people and centered around those ideas.
But they called it Unite The Right because then people like Richard Spencer and so on get to mainstream themselves and insinuate themselves in the conservative movement that booted them out 50 years ago.
Right we, they did right.
This is.
These are the guys that William Buckley chased out of the Temple.
Basically, that's right, and they've always been around a little bit.
You know, the Buckley purged them, purged the Bursers and and other racists and Anti-semites, and they've all kind of come back a little bit, You know, there was always this Buchananism toyed around with this a lot.
I think a lot of other people, John Derbyshire has written racist articles.
Peter Brimelow has veered into that territory.
And for decades now, there have been people like Jared Taylor, my fellow Yale, who's a white supremacist, white nationalist, I think, is fair.
He is unique, I think, among them because he's actually not anti-Semitic.
He's just an ethno-state advocate and wants a white country and all those sort of things.
The same cannot be said of some of these other guys.
There's Theodore Beale, who goes by Vox Day.
Oh, yeah.
He's one.
He utters the 14 words about protecting white people.
What are the 14 words?
The 14 words are.
Let me see if I remember this from Summer Camp.
It's, we must secure the existence of our people in a future for white children.
It's often paired with 88, which stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet H, which stands for Heil Hitler, of course.
Oh, great.
Okay.
And other writers, too.
Sam Francis, the old right-wing writer, he called for a white racial consciousness.
Paul Ramsey is a YouTube guy, white supremacist, questions the Holocaust.
What's really interesting about these guys is just like the progressives, they're going backwards.
You know, they're going back to this primitive idea.
I mean, ever since Jesus, basically, the idea has been that great ideas transcend nationalism and transcend race, at least since Jesus.
It's been that idea.
They're going back into this primitivism.
These guys are evidence that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Seriously, because they're not totally stupid and they're not totally uneducated.
They are a little bit stupid and lightly educated.
They've read some things, but without a lot of context.
They position themselves as defenders of Western culture, Western civilization.
I think they know very little about those two things.
And as a result, their views can seem attractive.
A guy like Richard Spencer, who's kind of become the head of this thing, he runs alt-right.com, the National Policy Institute, which is white nationalist.
He's a good-looking guy.
He's articulate, and he seems educated to the uneducated.
He's not a stupid guy.
He was in a PhD program at Duke, and that's what's worries him.
This is David Duke University, right?
That's David Duke University.
It's a correspondence course anyway.
It's attractive, it's subtle, it's tempting, much like the devil.
It confuses information that way.
And as a result, I think particularly young people, particularly that right-wing set of internet trolls, can be brought over to them.
You know, Andrew Anglin, the guy who runs Daily Stormer, this disgusting website, which is just a neo-Ku Klux Klan thing, he says that he's the king of the trolls, which makes this fight personal, buddy.
Absolutely.
Because back when you were just neo-Nazis, I was angry.
But now you're claiming my people.
This is not good.
Now, you are.
Listen, I think we all acknowledge that you are king of the trolls.
This is like Game of Thrones.
You guys are going to have to fight it out with like dragons.
When two ethereal armies go to battle, particularly with dragons, side with Michael.
Always side with Michael.
You know how this story turns out.
But there's this worry.
Some young people went to this stupid thing in Charlottesville.
There's a guy.
He's a college president, college Republican president at Washington State University, James Alsip.
He's a YouTuber guy.
He went there in solidarity with these guys.
He's the guy who mowed down the poor woman and 19 other people.
Was 20 years old.
He threw his life away.
Probably had more testosterone than since.
And the other strange thing about this movement is that it's not just hillbillies.
Of course, of course.
There are a lot of roots.
Andrew Anglund, the Daily Stormer guy, says that his largest source of traffic and donations is Silicon Valley.
Really?
It's not Appalachia.
Now, who knows?
I mean, the guy's a liar and a troll, but I wouldn't be surprised.
There are these roots of neo-reaction that came out of Silicon Valley.
So wait, let's talk about the young aspect of this for a minute.
Sure.
I have to believe, I mean, obviously there's no study of it, but I have to believe that part of the appeal to young people is shattering the pieties.
I mean, when you see a guy fired from Google for basically saying, hey, could you please allow a little bit of alternate opinions in here?
And they go, yeah, you're fired.
It becomes, I mean, I always used to say this about John Derbyshire, too, is that it becomes glamorous to fight the power.
I mean, it's kind of like Satan in Paradise Lost.
You know, he's up against this massive power.
It becomes kind of romantic to stand up against it, even if you're utterly in the wrong.
That's precisely right.
And I think that I don't think we should condescend and patronize these young people and say, oh, you've got a lot to learn, young fella.
But nevertheless, you have to be careful when your ideas are forming and you don't quite know where you stand and you have a little bit of knowledge or a little bit of education or a little bit of passion because you're watching Brandon Eich get fired or this guy at Google get fired and you're seeing your grades lowered because you're on the right.
It creates reactionaries.
That's what this school out of Silicon Valley is.
It's a reactionary thing.
And you really ought to calm down or you can ruin your life.
The internet is forever.
And the extreme of this is a guy who mowed down a woman and killed her.
He'll go to jail if there's any justice.
It's a dangerous thing you're playing with.
The memes are fun.
Pepe's fun.
Yelling about Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan is a lot of fun.
I embrace all of those things.
Yeah, sure.
But you are playing with fire if you're playing around with these guys.
I mean, this is always my argument with Milo Yiannopoulos.
He thinks he's being ironic, but evil eats irony.
I mean, evil is like, irony is a snack for evil.
I mean, you can be ironic about it all you want, and it's a good thing to make fun of the devil.
But basically, if you are participating in this stuff and thinking it's glamorous or funny, the devil will just, he'll have you for lunch.
If you live your life ironically, there's no difference.
There is no difference between what's ironic and what's earnest.
And Milo did inestimable damage to the right in this country and to the conservative movement by mainstreaming these guys.
He ostensibly wrote this article, The Establishment Conservatives Guide to the Alt-Right, which my article is refuting and responding to.
But he, on the one hand, he said racists are a fringe in this movement.
And then he said, here are the founders of this movement.
Everyone's a racist or a neo-Nazi or something.
You know, to go back also for a minute, and I really do want to talk about this because it's important to me personally, this idea of education and a little bit of education.
One of the things that I've noticed repeatedly with these guys is that they have read a couple of great books and they can quote from them, Nietzsche and things like that, people who are really important in the history of Western culture.
But they're looking at them without any context, without any, I mean, if you've read Nietzsche and you've never read Dostoevsky, you don't know what you're talking about.
And so if you're looking at a mountain and you're saying, oh, that's the highest peak, and you don't look around you and know that there are mountains that are 10 times higher, you really don't know what you're talking about.
And it has this atmosphere of sounding educated when it's truly, truly not.
And when you read them in depth, you see that they really don't have a depth of education.
I think that's why the objectivist society of America, the average in median age, is probably around 17.
Because when you pick up Ayn Rand, this has happened to me, you pick up Ayn Rand at 17, you say, oh my gosh, I understand everything now.
And then you think about it for a couple of years and you say, ah, no, a lot of that doesn't make any sense.
Same thing with these books when you read Nietzsche or so on and so forth.
But they talk about defending Western civilization, defending Western culture.
There's something glamorous about that.
There's something important and urgent about that.
Yeah, sure.
But what are you defending?
What is Western culture?
What is Western civilization?
What is it looking at?
What is it geared toward?
And what are you looking at?
And what are you geared toward?
Something tells me it's not the same thing.
Right.
A really, really good point.
You can't defend Western civilization by violating all of its norms.
Michael Knowles, the Michael Knowles show, is coming on soon, and he'll continue talking about this.
Thanks a lot, Michael.
It's really interesting.
Good to be here.
All right.
Man, oh man, you know, we got to, you know what we should play?
Did I send you that cut from the 1947?
The military put this out after the war, after World War II, to get people away from these philosophies.
I just want to play this a little bit.
It's corny.
This is from 1947, a guy making the kind of speech that these right-wingers are making and the military sort of trying to teach people how to stay away from it.
I see Negroes holding jobs that belong to me and you.
Now I ask you, if we allow this thing to go on, what's going to become of us real Americans?
I've heard this kind of talk before, but I never expected to hear it in America.
Believe me, this fellow seems to know what he's talking about.
What are we real Americans going to do about it?
You'll find it right here in the next little pamphlet.
The truth about Negroes and foreigners.
The truth about the Catholic Church.
You'll find out.
Are you believing that kind of talk?
Makes pretty good sense to me.
And I tell you, friends, we'll never be able to call this country our own until it's a country without.
Without what?
Yeah, without what?
Without Negroes.
Without alien foreigners.
Without Catholics.
Without Freemasons.
You know these people.
What's wrong with the Masons?
I'm a mason.
Hey, that fella's talking about me.
And that makes a difference, doesn't it?
Jesus, I get it.
Wait a minute.
The Masons, I didn't mind when you hated the blacks and the Jews.
Now you hate the Masons.
I'm a Mason.
And, you know, it's funny because it's old-fashioned and corny, but it is so, so true that, you know, this stuff will turn on you as fast as it will turn on anybody else.
You know, it'll turn on, you know, whatever you think you are, whatever you think protected class you think you're in.
One day you let these guys in, and one day they come after you.
All right, we have a new feature today, our crappy culture.
There it is. I love it.
We've even misspelled crappy in culture, which I think is excellent.
Excellent music.
Good job.
You know, this is kind of a day, a tough day.
It's a tough day for comedy.
Let's put it that way.
It is really a tough day for comedy.
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We haven't even mentioned the two police officers who died in a chopper crash while trying to patrol these events in Charlottesville.
So, you know, I don't want to go off too far afield, and I want to talk a little bit in our crappy culture.
One of the things that is crappy about our culture is the mainstreaming, the mainstreaming of bigotry from the left almost exclusively that has given these clowns on our side, our evildoers, it has given our evildoers shelter.
Okay.
Here is a piece, Tom Knighton at PJ Media, linked to this piece.
It's from the college fix, and the college fix covers bad things that are happening in colleges.
Stanford University, okay, this is one of the premier universities in the country.
Stanford University is slated to offer a class this fall called White Identity Politics, during which students will, quote, survey the field of whiteness studies and discuss the quote possibilities of abolishing whiteness according to the course descriptions.
Citing pundits who say, quote, the 2016 presidential election marks the rise of white identity politics in the United States.
The upper-level anthropology seminar will draw from the field of whiteness studies and from contemporary writings that push whiteness studies in new directions.
Questions to be posed throughout the semester include, does white identity politics exist?
And how is a concept like white identity to be understood in relation to white nationalism, white supremacy, white privilege, and whiteness?
Students will consider the perils and possibilities of different political practices according to the course descriptions, including abolishing whiteness or coming to terms with white identity.
The course will be taught by instructor John Patrick Moran, reached by email.
Moran declined to comment.
I'll bet he did.
Instead, directing the college fix to Stanford Communications Office, Ernest Miranda, a spokesman for Stanford, told the FIX via email that abolishing whiteness is a concept put forward in the 1990s by a number of white historians.
Their belief was that if other white people would, like them, stop identifying politically as white, it would help end inequalities.
Well, let me ask you this then.
Okay, if white people are supposed to stop identifying as white, are black people supposed to stop identifying as black?
Because if black people stop identifying as black, the Democratic Party would disappear.
If the Democratic Party could stop, would stop convincing people to identify according to their race and according to their sex and according to their identity, the Democrat Party would disappear.
Its policies don't work.
Its cities are cesspools for the people they're supposed to help.
I mean, go on, look online at any place where blacks are being shot down, where they're living in squalor, where they're living in desperate situations.
See who's been running that city since like, you know, 1203.
You know, these places like Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, you know, they almost never have Republican governors or mayors.
You know, the fact that this philosophy, this progressive Democrat socialist philosophy has failed everywhere and has failed the people it's supposed to help is very, very well established.
So the only thing they have is this grievance politics.
Why on earth, why on earth would black lives matter?
I mean, if a Democrat politician stands up and he says all lives matter, he gets shouted down.
We've seen it.
He gets booed off the stage.
So what is it that makes Richard Spencer and these white Nazis, what is it that deprives them of their legitimacy in that world?
What is it?
Once you say that black people have a right to rise up as black people, why don't white people have a right to rise up as white people?
You are eating the results of your own logic.
I mean, it is, was it Antonin Scalia who said that if you want to get rid of racist preferences, you have to stop preferring people on the basis of races?
He was attacking affirmative action.
Of course affirmative action is wrong.
Of course it's wrong.
It's wrong.
See, this is the problem with the left.
We're always talking about whether things work or not.
They always have us in these kind of conversations about, well, does this improve things?
Does this make life better?
Was socialism make life fair?
Socialism is wrong per se because the government has no right to take your property.
It's your property.
It has no right.
It's stealing.
Just because the government does it doesn't make it any less stealing.
It is wrong per se.
Racism is wrong per se.
Identifying people according to their color of their skin is wrong per se.
We who believe in God know why it's wrong, but everybody knows it's wrong.
We know why it's wrong.
We know we were made in the image of God.
We know the image of God has different colors, has different races, comes from different places.
We know that we are meant to love one another.
We know because we are people who believe in God.
But even if you don't believe, you know.
You know this to be true down in your heart that the idea of attacking somebody not for what he does, but for what he is, is wrong.
So why is it that the left has been allowed to mainstream this idea, if a white cop kills a black guy, it's immediately a racial issue.
But who says it was?
Who says it was?
You know, do you have proof?
Do you have evidence that he was a racist?
Instead, they have accepted, I've said this before, they have accepted the values of the people they think are oppressors and expect by those values to get to a different place.
They think that there's been so much bigotry against black people, and God knows there certainly has in this country and in all countries, but this country has had a specific problem with it.
There's been so much bigotry against black people that all we got to do is have some bigotry against white people like they're doing at Stanford, and the scales are going to balance.
But all the bigotry, all the bigotry goes in one side of the scale.
That is the way it works.
The reason is simple.
It has to do, it goes back to Robert E. Lee in a way.
It goes back to the way the past works.
The past, history writes itself indelibly into the fabric of reality.
Every sin, every evil, every bad thing that's happened writes itself indelibly into the fabric of what is going to happen next.
Okay, so there's no getting away from the way that evil misshapes the generations.
But each person who is born is given a soul of his own with which to start the world anew.
Okay, each person is innocent.
So when you say I'm going to fix the bigotry of the past against blacks by being bigoted against white people, you are harming innocence.
The devil does not care who does the hating as long as the hating gets done.
That is the thing.
So when you have affirmative action and you exclude white people, you're excluding innocent white people.
It's not the guys who did the crime.
The guys who did the crime are gone.
You cannot change the past.
The only way to change the past is through forgiveness and grace and letting things go.
And C.S. Lewis said it best.
He said, everyone thinks forgiveness is a lovely idea until he has something to forgive.
Okay, so it's not easy.
I know it's not easy, but it is the only way forward.
And these guys who think that black lives matter, saying black lives matter is not racist.
It all goes in the same pot.
It's all racism.
The mainstreaming of racism is part of what is making our crappy culture.
Hopefully better days ahead, but I feel that there's some troubled waters we're going to have to get through first.
We will get through them.
It's a great country.
It's a great people.
It is a great idea.
And it will not go down easily to clowns like these.