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April 22, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
01:05:35
#1136: April 20, 2026

Dan and Jordan dissect The Onion's $75,000 monthly rent acquisition of InfoWars on April 20, 2026, mocking Alex Jones' claim of a secret transition to his new network. They analyze callers debating pineal gland worms and AI creators while Jones ignores the takeover news, comparing the situation to a blown baseball save where corporate antagonists like the DOJ cannot fix Jones' ruined audience trust regarding Iran and Epstein. Ultimately, the hosts conclude that satire fails against absurdity, leaving Jones vulnerable not just to comedians but to shifting public sentiment. [Automatically generated summary]

Transcriber: CohereLabs/cohere-transcribe-03-2026, sat-12l-sm, and large-v3-turbo
Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 10:03
d
dan friesen
28:23
j
jordan holmes
11:59
Appearances
m
matt bracken
00:31
Clips
p
pastor james david manning
00:02
Callers
austin in tennessee
callers 01:19
blaze in michigan
callers 01:30
dave in colorado
callers 00:38
lane in arizona
callers 01:20
mike in ohio
callers 01:32
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Speaker Time Text
Dan Jordan Knowledge Fight 00:03:08
unidentified
Not knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I love you.
alex jones
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Oh, indeed, we are, Dan.
Jordan.
Dan.
Quick question.
dan friesen
What's up?
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
My bright spot today is for reasons that will become abundantly clear as we go through this episode.
I've been having a little bit of a confusing 36 hours.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
There's been some weird feelings.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That have rocked me one way or the other.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I was feeling a little bit unmoored.
I was feeling like I didn't know what, you know, hazy kind of feeling.
And then I walked over to the local convenience store.
And as I walked in the door, they were the song, there was a song that was playing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it was one of my buddy Ryan Beck, my old buddy Ryan Beck.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, sure.
dan friesen
One of his great karaoke numbers Looking Glass.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Brandy.
The Salesy Brandy.
You're a fine girl.
jordan holmes
Man, weird.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it raised my mood in a way that was visceral.
I started to bounce.
It had a little bounce.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I was thinking about this song.
And I think it's a funny song.
And I also think that Looking Glass is right in the pocket.
They're grooving as perfectly as they can.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I think that that song, I feel it.
My life, my love, and my lady is the sea.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I can't settle down with you, Brandy.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Because I'm married to the ocean.
jordan holmes
I get you.
dan friesen
So, anyway, I'm going on another road trip.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, you're not married to the ocean, but not far off.
unidentified
It's the same thing, though.
jordan holmes
It's the same vibe.
It's the green ocean of trees or whatever.
dan friesen
So, I'm leaving on Wednesday.
I'm going off on another trip.
Excellent.
And we will do some more dispatches from the road and have more.
We'll have episodes.
jordan holmes
We'll see what happens.
dan friesen
Hopefully, stuff won't be interrupted in any too meaningful of a way.
But, Jordan, I love sitting here in this room with you.
It's the best.
jordan holmes
It's time to go.
dan friesen
My life, my love, and my lady.
jordan holmes
I know.
I get you.
I get you.
You got to go, buddy.
I'm tired of tethering you to this room.
You got to fly.
You're a bird emerging from the nest.
dan friesen
Right.
So, I'm going to be driving around.
unidentified
Excellent.
dan friesen
And we'll see what I find.
jordan holmes
I hope it's nice.
I hope it's not Santa Claus.
Or I hope it's actually Santa Claus.
Road Trip Dispatches 00:04:08
jordan holmes
There's no in between for me now.
dan friesen
I'm going to be so fucking pissed if I start driving in another direction.
Like, oh, there's another Santa Claus.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Any direct north, east, west, and south.
All points on the compass will get you to Santa Claus sooner or later.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's a small part of me.
I'm not doing it this time around, most likely, unless I go crazy.
But there's a small part of me that is like, let's just fucking go to Alaska.
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Are we into the wilding?
Are you into the wilding?
dan friesen
I'm not planning to not come back, but, like, Alaska's way up there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is up there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Drive across.
jordan holmes
I'm not driving it.
I'm definitely not hoofing it.
unidentified
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
You're not walking?
jordan holmes
I'm not walking there.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
You're going to have to really pay me for that shit.
dan friesen
Well, you're not coming.
jordan holmes
That, fair enough.
dan friesen
Unless you want to be part of the search party, you're not coming.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
So, what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, man, I think I've talked about it on the show before, but there's this radio guy named Joe Frank.
Do you remember Joe Frank?
Did you ever hear about him?
He does, like, these, I suppose I would call it, like, almost a beatnik prose poetry thing.
Where he's doing this radio show and he has this fucking voice and he edits it.
It's just fantastic.
I don't know why, but it's borderline insane, mundane, and depressing while at the same time being captivating.
So that's what I've been listening to in the past 36 hours.
dan friesen
How long is the show?
jordan holmes
About an hour, hour and a half.
dan friesen
Of sort of weird freeform poetry?
jordan holmes
It's more like one story that has plenty of digressions and twists and turns, all thematically associated.
And then it's not wrapped up, but in between, there's solid music, there's little interstitials.
dan friesen
Sort of like a This American Lifey kind of thing, but not quite as saccharine, maybe?
jordan holmes
I mean, I really.
If you've listened, have you listened to the Dana Gould Hour?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's kind of got a little bit of that flavor of like.
A long monologue with a variety kind of thing going around it.
Sure.
Yeah.
unidentified
So it's good.
jordan holmes
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
Did you ever listen to Mike Schmidt's podcast, The 40 Year Old Boy?
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
It's kind of like that, except there's no music interludes.
The host is telling insane stories from his past, and he frequently feels like he shouldn't be talking about whatever he's saying.
unidentified
Probably.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I recommend that if you want some more.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be interesting.
dan friesen
More long form storytelling stuff.
I don't mind it.
Yeah, well, I'll say Joe Frank.
jordan holmes
Joe Frank.
dan friesen
All right.
Yep.
Check it out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll have time in the car, you know.
jordan holmes
Take a listen.
dan friesen
On my way across Canada.
jordan holmes
It would be, it's one of those things that you can recommend to somebody.
And unlike something where you're like, oh, I hope you like it.
If you don't like it, totally fine.
Do not care.
It makes perfect sense if you don't like it.
It's that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I've realized that my sweet spot for driving is like some music and then also podcasts that aren't that funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're pretty funny, but they aren't that funny.
jordan holmes
Can't be too funny.
dan friesen
Because that will distract me and I will maybe drive off the road.
Absolutely.
So, like, there's a number of things that I just have to, like, section off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I can't listen to, like, a Phil Hendry show or something like that if I'm driving.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's why most people listen to Murder or Us.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that same difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're talking 420.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
Hit the bong.
Hit the bong.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Talking about April 20, 2026.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Some shit's happened.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And we'll get into it.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
unidentified
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Worcester, Massachusetts Turtle Boy Fountain.
Thank you so much.
You're now Palsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, happy birthday, Alejandro.
You're killing it at Parenthood and your job.
Thank you for showing me this amazing podcast and many others.
Proud of you always.
Love your little brother, Andreas.
Thank you so much.
You're now Palsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
From all of Cleveland to Jordan, fuck Kyle Schwaber and the fuck The rain delay 10 years ago.
Thank you so much.
You're not a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
The Onion Deal Explained 00:15:15
dan friesen
I don't get what that's saying, but.
jordan holmes
That was Cubs World Series.
dan friesen
Oh, go Cubs.
Yep, yep, yep.
I remember that.
jordan holmes
It was a big one.
dan friesen
Yeah, we were out drinking.
jordan holmes
One of the nights.
dan friesen
One of the nights, yeah.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
I remember coming home on the red line and people just cracking beaters on the train.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
It was a different time.
dan friesen
Can't believe so many people didn't die.
So you got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Hey Dr. Bezzy over there in Melbourne, Australia.
Keep up the good work curing cancer with that freakishly large brain of yours.
Love making.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Don't honk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor james david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So I feel like a clip from recently is worth rehearing in a moment like this.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Big stuff's coming.
I can feel we're on the cusp of something, Daniel.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That is true, Alex.
unidentified
I would say so.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan, the great mystery of why Alex has been out of studio for the last week or so has been revealed.
All has become clear.
Mysteries are solved.
On Monday, The Onion announced for the second time that they bought InfoWars.
This time seems a little bit more officially, maybe?
I have a lot of complicated feelings about this turn of events, but I want to sum it up as succinctly as possible by saying I hope it all works out and that there's a positive net effect.
I think that a lot of people want a little bit more than that from me or us, so here goes.
I think The Onion has an incredibly talented writing team and competent leadership, and that Tim Heidecker is exactly the kind of performer who can pull off layered and biting satire.
If anyone should be the person picked to try and make a parody of Infowars, he's definitely the guy.
And I think that some strong comedic talent is going to be involved, and some content will come out of this that probably will rule.
But for me, the issue is that I don't think anyone should do this.
InfoWars isn't really satirizable in a meaningful way.
The content is absurd to the point where anyone trying to create a fake version of it will only succeed in making something that's kind of close to the regular version.
Alex drunkenly throwing hatchets around the studio, or telling Chase that he thinks he's about to call in the Angel of Death, or Alex sincerely talking about how he ran into some really tall vampires in DC, or the orbs that are coming on Easter.
That's all content that should be in a parody of InfoWars, but it's actually just what the show is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I think that there's a challenge that pulling off a satire of this presents that I sincerely hope that they can do something with, but I don't know if anyone can.
Yeah.
That's really where the heart of my sort of weird feelings about this live.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, if you parody something that is itself a parody, you kind of help the original thing.
And I don't know how you get around that.
It may be that it's possible.
It might be.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, it sucks.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
If I'm allowed to talk about the way I feel, bad things are going to happen.
So I'm just going to let it go.
dan friesen
Well, you could say a few things.
jordan holmes
I have things to say.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Best of luck to everybody involved.
Never speak to me about it.
dan friesen
We were talking a little bit before the show, and I think it's safe to say that you have a lot more of a pessimistic outlook than I do.
And my outlook isn't super optimistic.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't.
I don't want to shit on something before it even exists or like say, hey, this is a horrible mistake.
But like, I don't know exactly how you walk this line.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons that we talked about was because you have to, if you're making a parody of Infowars, you have to be making it for an audience who is in on the joke.
And most people have no idea what Infowars really is.
They don't know he's talking about like calling in the angel of death.
Yeah.
They don't know this stuff.
They see a meme of him talking about gay frogs, and that's the extent of the awareness.
jordan holmes
A pony bear cover.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's the extent of the awareness that most people have of what his show is.
So if you're making a parody of it, you have to parody that.
And that's not really who he is.
That's part of who he is, but it's not really.
You have to parody an effigy, a picture of Alex, as opposed to who he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
And.
dan friesen
I don't know if there's a way to do a parody that's not that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because how would, like, if you said in a, like, let's say a joke article on their new site, if you were to say, Alex tearfully calls in the angel of death to take out Biden or whatever, that looks like a pretty fucking funny headline if you don't watch Alex's show, but it's actually just a regular thing he said.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
jordan holmes
I'll say this Infowars exists on its own continuum.
There is InfoWars and there is not InfoWars.
On the continuum is just levels of quality of InfoWars.
Anything you make that is InfoWars is just either InfoWars better or InfoWars worse or InfoWars the same.
Yeah.
So they're going to make InfoWars worse.
And that means Alex is going to look good.
dan friesen
Maybe.
But maybe it'll just evolve quickly into its own different thing.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Best of luck to everybody.
dan friesen
I don't think that there's anything wrong with taking away.
His shit.
You know, like, I think, great.
It's a consequence of the actions that he's taken in the past and all that.
I do think that everyone at this point should be keenly aware that he's not going anywhere.
Yep.
And so, pretending that taking over the site or anything is going to have an influence on that, I do think that we need to be a little bit more realistic about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, hey, I don't want to just be a hater.
I don't want to be a hater.
I'm trying to have fun.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm going to be back in the ocean.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
So, great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, the fun thing is that this news broke while Alex was on air.
unidentified
Good stuff.
dan friesen
So, on the April 20th show, he starts the show and gets about to the third hour before the news has broken that the New York Times article about him that he bought came out.
Ben Collins, the head of The Onion, did an interview that came out in the middle of the day.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So, Alex does have to respond to this on air.
unidentified
He has to.
dan friesen
And so, that's kind of fun.
unidentified
That is fun.
dan friesen
But we start before that.
And Alex is doing a boring fucking show.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
I'm very honored that he attacked me again, Trump, on Friday and said that I'm fried and all the rest of it because I don't want to be associated with this disastrous situation that's unfolding at all.
Because when somebody who doesn't know what they're doing tells somebody who's on record being right, they got a low IQ, well, that's where I want to be.
The truth is, I don't have a low IQ, Trump, and I actually study all these issues.
You may know all about real estate and you and Ludnig, how to insider trade on all your different economic announcements.
But at the end of the day, buddy, the military told you not to do this, and Israel, Netanyahu, lied to you.
dan friesen
So, I just think that there's something so pathetic about the, like, hey, this guy punched you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then he punched me one more time, you motherfucker.
jordan holmes
Oh, one more time.
Hold me back.
dan friesen
One more time.
jordan holmes
Hold me back.
dan friesen
And then the guy punches you, and they're like, I am so honored he keeps punching you.
jordan holmes
I would love to get punched by you again, sir.
Sir, it delights me to receive your punishment.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think it's just too on the nose about Alex's, like, just kind of how he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a lot of bluster, and he's dumb.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's.
Here's what I would say.
Right.
If I'm writing SAT tests or ACT tests or any test at all, any standardized testing, if there's one question that is just like, if you help get a person elected and then that person you helped get elected calls you low IQ, that person is correct.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Without question, you don't need to, you don't need, oh, maybe, nope.
You helped him get elected and then he called you low IQ.
That means that you are low IQ.
dan friesen
Yeah, and if you're getting on your show and being like, you and Howard Lutnick certainly know how to insider trade, it's like he didn't just start that last season or whatever.
Like, you know this, and you've been pretending that you didn't.
jordan holmes
It's just fear of burning the earth.
dan friesen
So, Alex, even before any of these announcements are made, he's getting their audience ready that shit's going down.
jordan holmes
Shit's going to go down.
dan friesen
And we don't have long.
alex jones
Yeah.
Before we go any further, I'm going to make announcements in the next few days that are detailed on this.
But barring a miracle, InfoWars will close in nine and a half days on the 30th of April.
And starting May 1st, the Alex Jones Network will fire up.
Same time slot, radio stations, satellites, stations all know.
It's going to be pretty seamless.
We'll have a new news site we're going to be announcing and a lot more.
And even though in federal and state court, the bad guys never even got the right to have InfoWars or get the building, the judge has ordered a receiver to not let us pay the bills and to close us.
dan friesen
So, at this point in the first hour, Alex has just been pretending to do a normal show.
And it's almost at the end of the first hour.
The whole time, he's been pretending to not know that The Onion was going to take ownership of the show.
And that's why he's been out of studio this whole time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's acting like he doesn't have that awareness.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because no one's really forced his hand.
jordan holmes
This hasn't been negotiated for a while, he's trying to say.
But that's why he's been gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he knows what is the shoe that's going to fall.
He knows what that is.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's acting like.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, hey.
jordan holmes
Could be anything, these illegal, lawless people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I watched an interview that Ben Collins did after the news broke about the sale, and he explained that Infowars pays $75,000 a month in rent on the facility that they broadcast from.
It wasn't an issue where the receiver was withholding money to pay the rent, it was a situation where they weren't bringing in enough money anymore to pay the overhead.
Part of the reason that The Onion was able to make this deal work, where the other time it fell through, is that in the current situation, if Alex were just left alone, Infowars would go out of business on its own.
He's directed all the money flow and sales over to his Big Lee operation, so he's kind of just waiting for the InfoWars boat to sink, even if no one did anything.
The receiver has a fiduciary responsibility to the plaintiffs in this case, so he has to do what's best for them in terms of recouping the money that they're owed.
Ben was able to make the argument to the receiver that if they just did nothing, InfoWars would be a dead asset and none of the plaintiffs would make anything from it.
But if the Onion were allowed to take over and pay the overhead and rent and all that, The plaintiff stood to see a return on this, which is a more compelling argument to the receiver than prior, like the auction.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
The Onion is taking over a $75,000 lease?
dan friesen
I don't know if all of that, but they are taking over enough of the.
I don't know.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He didn't get into all the pieces.
I can't imagine that they are because that's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just bad business.
Only Infowars would do business so poorly that they would spend $75,000.
A month in overhead.
dan friesen
Yeah, like he, Alex paid that because he needed to look normal.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like he needed everyone to be tricked into thinking that this is normal.
jordan holmes
The money wasn't for the rent, it was for appearing as if he's legitimate.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there's cheaper ways to do that if you don't really care and it's all just a joke.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So I have to assume that they wouldn't pay that.
If they are, that's a big, big burden to take on.
unidentified
Wild.
dan friesen
But if you're talking to the receiver who has control of the property and has a responsibility to the plaintiff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You can, I think it is a better argument that hey, this is just going to be dead.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not.
If I was the receiver, my first reaction wouldn't be like, Are you guys going to really pay for this?
It would be like, You guys are going to pay for this.
unidentified
Hooray.
dan friesen
You can wash your hands at that point as the receiver who's been bogged down in this situation.
jordan holmes
I have been doing this for so long.
Take it over.
dan friesen
Fine.
There are rational decisions being made, I think, by a lot of the parties.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And well, we'll see.
So Alex chose that 30th date.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
I chose that date so that it's somewhat seamless, hopefully, of the 30th.
Well, really, because a bunch of bills are due on the 1st, we're not authorized to pay them.
We have the money.
And whatever little bit of money is in InfoWars will then be handed over to the receiver.
It's not much, but enough to pay the bills.
And then everything goes to the OllieShones Network, which I don't own, so they can't shut it down.
So the OllieShonesStore.com.
jordan holmes
To be clear, that is the plan.
alex jones
It's owned by Bigly, and it finances and owns the OllieShones Network and the same crew, same everything.
We plan to even expand after that now that they won't be able to.
Jack with us as much.
They'll still mess with me, but that's fine.
This is all seamless.
It's all above board.
With all their fake judgments against me, the Texas Supreme Court's already signaled they're going to overturn it.
They're going to be in big trouble when that happens because they'll owe all these huge damages for closing us.
That's why they won't officially order it closed.
They got more sophisticated and are just turning off the internet, the electricity, the rent, everything else, effectively shutting us down.
But that still won't stand in court.
unidentified
Okay?
alex jones
And we're going to do injunctions and go after them in court.
You know, who knows what will happen later?
But you've already seen them do fake auctions and close us and turn the internet off and close us and.
Announced that Bloomberg's Onion owned us.
That was almost two years ago.
But they put us in checkmate, turning the internet and the power and not paying the landlord.
Landlord was here this morning with people looking at the building.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, but all I hear in that clip is Alex refusing to live out his destiny.
He cries on air constantly about how he's like Colonel Travis at the Alamo.
And if you listen to this show with any regularity, you know that all he's ever really wanted is to be a hero like that.
Someone who lives on in the lore of future patriots.
He's being handed an opportunity to be Colonel Travis on a silver platter, and instead of sticking to the ethos of no surrender, no retreat, he's saying that the landlord is going to ask them to leave, so he's moving to a new fortress.
Alex Refuses Destiny 00:06:58
dan friesen
I'm not saying that he should have an armed standoff that leads to his death rather than leave the Infowars studio, but I am saying that if he doesn't, then he's kind of invalidated the entire fantasy of who he is, and he kind of looks like an idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If Santa Ana had told Colonel Travis that they weren't going to have electricity or the internet at the Alamo, But he could just leave and go to a different fort and let Santa Ana take the Alamo.
Colonel Travis wouldn't have said, Great, I can continue the fight from there.
jordan holmes
It would have been a bad move.
dan friesen
If King George had told our founding fathers that they could all go to Maine and have their country there, but he would keep the rest of the colonies, they wouldn't have said, Cool, we can keep complaining safely from up there.
Thanks for giving us this opportunity.
jordan holmes
That is a really great compromise.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The 113th compromise, as they called it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex agreeing to leave Infowars because the corrupt law or some landlord is telling him that he has to.
Means that he plays by the rules of the corrupt law and some landlord.
All of this shit about him being on a mission from God, that's secondary to not getting in trouble for squatting at his studio when he's been asked to leave.
That's stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Him being willing to leave and negotiating a date to leave that helps things go smooth for his new business really penetrates the illusion he tries to cultivate of himself as this rampaging revolutionary.
It's probably a really good short term business decision for him to just leave the building, but it does irreparable damage to his ability to present himself as a heroic figure in terms of patriot mythology, and I think that damage he's doing to himself is.
Is more than anyone, any court or anybody could do to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, really, all I'm hearing is that they made a huge mistake by not strong arming the landlord into selling them the building.
dan friesen
I feel like InfoWars made that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel like if Alex and InfoWars really wanted to put the screws to the landlord and force them to sell, they could do it, right?
They've got, there's enough fear of like loonies could show up and, hey, buddy, I'm nice.
I'm a great tenant.
But my fans, you don't know what they're going to do.
They're crazy.
dan friesen
I post snipers on the building.
jordan holmes
You know what?
You just, you know what would be great?
You not having anything to do with it.
You don't want to be involved, right?
You don't want to be in danger.
You don't want somebody to show up at your house one night.
dan friesen
Yeah, you could do some mob kind of stuff like that.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I think that there's a couple of issues.
One would be who actually owns it if they bought it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then you'd have to have a lot of stuff in public records.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And if they're paying $75,000 a month, then.
Whatever it would be to buy would be a lot.
unidentified
Yeah, it would have to be.
dan friesen
So maybe they couldn't afford it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Maybe, you know, Alex was rich, but not that rich.
Also, we've been to his studio outside of it.
It's not a whole building.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's part of a building.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
So maybe the person who owns it wouldn't have given up all of, you know, like, wouldn't be like, yeah, I'm going to keep owning these parts, but you can own.
jordan holmes
I'm with you.
I totally understand.
dan friesen
It is a huge mistake.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
It's just, I'm not saying that it's feasible or that I could have pulled it off.
I'm just saying that that's what you should have at least tried to do.
Yes.
Because you can't just pay for it outright.
dan friesen
He should have tried to buy it, but I think that there's a world where he could have tried and he just couldn't.
Yeah.
So that might be why we're here.
unidentified
Possible.
dan friesen
So, Alex, before any of this news breaks, he decides, I'm just going to take calls today.
unidentified
Go for it.
dan friesen
I'm going to have some fun taking calls.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this caller tells him he needs to have more faith and keep supporting Trump.
unidentified
Good luck.
dan friesen
How would it go if we treated you like you treat Trump?
unidentified
That's a good point.
alex jones
All right, let's go to Lane in Arizona on Iran.
Thanks for holding Lanyard on the air.
lane in arizona
Hey, Alex.
I just want to say I don't agree with this war in Iran whatsoever.
But I think, you know, a lot of us need to have a little bit more faith in Trump and his team.
I mean, like, what would happen if all your listeners treated you the same way you're treating Trump every time your predictions don't come true?
jordan holmes
Like, you know, what?
lane in arizona
You said for years, I can talk to Trump anytime I want.
But then you're calling for the 25th Amendment and saying I'm only doing it to get his attention.
So it's like, which is it, you know?
And, I'm a long time caller, Alan, or listener, you know, so I'm not doing this to attack you or anything.
alex jones
I don't mind.
Go ahead.
lane in arizona
And like now you're calling them demented and deranged.
And like, I just think there's a better way maybe to go about.
I'm not just you, as far as like Candace Owens, Tucker, all of them, you know.
I think there's a better way.
We got to keep us all together.
We're like, you know, there's like a, they call it like a civil war in the, you know, conservative Republican circles and all that.
So that's pretty much what I think.
I agree with you.
I don't think the war is good at all.
I don't think we ever should have gone there.
But I think we do need to have a little bit more faith in Trump.
We did vote for him.
He is our leader.
We do have to stand by him.
I mean, it hasn't gone completely terrible just yet.
Not been going great.
unidentified
Wow.
lane in arizona
But it ain't, you know.
jordan holmes
What a solid argument.
lane in arizona
That's just my thoughts.
alex jones
I appreciate your call.
I appreciate your call.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
Let me respond to what you said.
I had Kyle Seraphid on, who's batting about 1,000 a few weeks ago, and he said he heard.
Patel could be fired as early as today.
The headline was not Patel will be fired today.
It was he could be fired as early as today.
I had other sources that said Trump was about to fire Gabbard that day.
He called Roger Stone up.
Later, it was confirmed by the president, and Roger talked him out of it.
So just because something's about to happen doesn't mean we can't stop it from happening.
dan friesen
So Alex heard that call, and his takeaway was to be defensive about how his predictions aren't wrong.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's dumb.
jordan holmes
That's the thrust of the argument.
Is no, I'm 100% correct, actually.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm right about the stuff I'm wrong about because things change.
jordan holmes
That's how good I am.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Even when I'm wrong, you just got to wait, buddy.
I'm just hanging out at the bus station waiting to be correct.
dan friesen
Well, this caller does bring up something that Alex really should address, and that is that he's claimed he's had the ear of Trump for a long time and then has to do public outbursts to get his attention.
He's saying that his stories don't fit.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
The moment you ask which is it on air, you should like they should have an emergency red button that's like, no, don't provide a binary.
No, yeah, don't compare correctly.
dan friesen
Don't recognize that a lot of this stuff is self contradictory.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex takes another call, and I think this guy is like, hey, man, everyone else there at Infor is isn't very good.
You got a bad bench.
alex jones
Oh, Austin and Tennessee, you're on the air.
I ran war, future of Infor.
unidentified
Go ahead.
austin in tennessee
Hey, Alex.
Glad to be speaking to you, man.
Hope you're doing all right.
Harrison Ford Name Drop 00:02:35
alex jones
Pretty good, brother.
austin in tennessee
Hey, I did just want to make a couple comments.
So, I appreciate the update on the InfoWars future.
I'm glad to hear you're fighting them till the end.
I'm looking forward to the new site and everything coming out.
Just a suggestion.
So, I know, like, when you've been on vacation, you know, these past few weeks, like, you kind of had different guests fill in and stuff like that.
And you've mentioned, too, like, when you transition to this new, News site and everything, you're going to be taking more of a news director type of role.
And I really hope that you're still able to do your show for maybe a couple hours a day.
You know, not to kiss your ass or anything, but no one does it like you, man.
No one tells the news like you and has your insight and everything.
And, you know, when we hear some of these guys, like Harrison Ford, he's great.
I like listening to him.
Even your son, Rex, and his other guy he has, they're really good.
Some of these guest hosts, though, like Gavin and even Matt Bracken sometimes, they're just hard to listen to.
And I really enjoyed your take on it.
Nailing it.
You can even see in your banned.video, your views are usually way less unless you're in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, no one likes anybody else.
All your friends suck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
Your son, I guess.
Harrison Ford?
jordan holmes
I would give anything to listen to that show about to start and then the Indiana Jones music hits.
Just What?
I would go crazy.
dan friesen
I realized recently, and I wish it was something that was just sparked by this misspeaking by the caller, but I was like, Harrison Smith, what a fucking dork.
Who's named Harrison?
And then it did dawn on me that Harrison Ford is named Harrison.
jordan holmes
One of the most cool people ever.
dan friesen
And I think you just don't think about his name being Harrison.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He is just like.
jordan holmes
He's Harrison Ford.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's not Harrison.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's Harrison Ford.
He trains Harrison's name.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's only one of him.
He's crashed a plane four times?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that made me realize, like, oh, that's why Harrison Smith's name is probably that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like that, I get it now.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'd forgotten about why someone might name someone that.
jordan holmes
Man, if you name him after Harrison Ford and you get that, bummer.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
jordan holmes
Bummer.
dan friesen
Caller makes a good point, though.
It's one talent business.
jordan holmes
You guys suck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're fun to listen to, but they suck.
dan friesen
When you're gone for a week, your views crater because no one wants to watch this show.
jordan holmes
Hey, I noticed that this is unwatchable without you.
Pissing Contest Concerns 00:09:01
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
How about that?
dan friesen
So we get another caller.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This guy has a great, great idea.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Blaze in Michigan, thanks for holding it on the air.
blaze in michigan
Alex, thank you, sir.
I just wanted to say really quick I've been listening to you for 10 years.
I graduated high school back in 2015.
I have screenshots of what you guys celebrating the 2016 election.
But, anyways, thank you for everything you've done over the past 30 years of being a battle axe.
As it was just recently displayed, you really are truly a battle axe.
unidentified
Really?
blaze in michigan
But my question specifically connects to the long term strategic, unwavering message of InfoWars with regard to the advance of artificial intelligence.
You did a Interview back with ChatGPT a while back.
But I mean, while all the geopolitical situation has been brewing with regards to Ukraine and, of course, Iran, we're hopeful for President Trump to succeed.
It's a bit concerning what he's doing now, to be quite honest.
But, anyways, I was just curious, while all of this stuff is brewing, we are getting newer and newer, more and more intelligent models, basically on like a monthly basis.
So I was just hoping that you keep an eye on that and spread the message to, you know, on your platform because it is.
It's stunning what's happening on almost a weekly basis.
alex jones
Well, you're absolutely right.
In fact, they've got all these super AIs, then the studies try to take everything over that are basically siloed.
They're not hooked to the internet.
They're worried about them jumping out.
Here's an example I don't watch a lot of TV, but last night I had this nostalgia thing, and I went, I want to see Three's Company for some reason, which I wasn't even a huge fan of when I was a kid.
Ran 77 to.
But I was thinking about Sling Blade and Scott Ritter.
I thought it was a great actor.
So I turned on the smart TV, hadn't been on probably in a month.
And it's like 10 o'clock at night, and I go start watching really funny, classic scenes from Three's Company.
And then I turned it off and went and brushed my teeth, get ready to go to bed.
And I came back, and there was the screen savers on the screen.
And up until a few months ago, every time I turned the TV on, it would say who the photographer was.
It'd be like landscapes and cool things.
Now, everything was AI.
I would say AI generated, AI generated, AI generated, AI generated.
So, just like that, where are the photographers now?
Where is the real stuff?
It's just taking over.
Is that what you're getting at, Blaze?
blaze in michigan
Yes, yes.
And so, my main question is just do you plan on, I guess, with everything happening, it's just insane the attacks on you, on your team, on the studio, on the company.
But as far as do you anticipate, I guess, doing potentially another sort of question, QA style thing with?
Like one of the large language models, just because we live in this.
alex jones
Yes, I need to start talking to AI more on air just to illustrate how crazy it is.
We should do more of that.
You know, sometime this week, sometime this week, we'll do it.
dan friesen
So, that call is a perfect example of how parodying Alex is impossible.
On its face, I have legitimately no idea whether this guy is making fun of Alex.
It's totally possible that this is a sincere caller who's worried about AI from the Infowars standpoint and actually thinks that there's some value to Alex interviewing a robot.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But it's equally possible that this is one of our listeners fucking with him.
The referencing the battle axe thing is a little bit suspicious, and I think everyone who listens to our show.
Thinks that Alex trying to trick ChatGPT into admitting it's conscious is hilarious content that we all want more of.
jordan holmes
It is really funny.
dan friesen
Whether it's a joke or not, this fits into the Infowars world.
This guy could be trolling him or he could be sincere, but it doesn't really matter.
Something that people on the outside see as absurd is fairly normal to people on the inside.
So something that appears hilarious to you and me, like the suggestion that Alex should interview chatbots more, seems like a decent request to the Infowars mind.
As far as this goes, if this was a guy trolling Alex, that's great.
Because we do need to see Alex interrogating robots more on the show.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And tricking him into thinking that's what the audience needs to see is a worthy endeavor.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's the kind of prank call that I think is a lot of fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But who knows?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who knows?
That is a bottle of illustration of why.
What do you do?
How do you make fun of him?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's really.
Like, the thing about it that's funny.
And interesting to whomever is watching is the ambiguous nature of like, is this real?
Is this real?
Is this, I know this isn't real, but is this real?
Yeah.
The sincerity is what's interesting about it.
dan friesen
Are you trying to convince me that you really think there are orbs coming on Easter?
jordan holmes
Right.
And then there's the desperation, the true, honest desperation that exists within him.
Whether it's for the thing that he's trying to convince you of or just a general vibe of desperation that you cannot, as an observer, see from a comedian because you know they don't mean it.
You know this comedian is doing a bit.
dan friesen
Alex cannot break character.
jordan holmes
Not once.
He is character.
And even when he's not character, that's part of how crazy his character is.
dan friesen
Yeah, he believes in orbs coming on Easter.
jordan holmes
And that's when he's breaking character.
unidentified
Kind of.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
For brokered programming.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's tough.
So, you might remember during COVID, there was a caller.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Who.
jordan holmes
I don't.
That was a long time ago.
dan friesen
He was talking.
Not the bubble wrap.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
I don't think.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that one was great.
dan friesen
Maybe it was the same guy.
I don't know.
But he was like.
jordan holmes
He watched COVID and bubble wrap.
dan friesen
Hey, it's morning in China.
It's time to wake up.
jordan holmes
Okay, now actually, I do remember that guy.
dan friesen
That guy was cool as hell.
jordan holmes
He was fucking great.
dan friesen
It was years ago, and I still can hear his voice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wonder if this will be the same.
alex jones
Robert in Wisconsin, thanks for holding her on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hello, sir.
How are you doing today?
alex jones
Just doing my best to try to be pro human.
What about you?
unidentified
About the same.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's delighted.
This is a Wisconsin guy who's delighted with the idea that Alex is trying to stay pro human.
jordan holmes
Hey, hey, not the same, buddy.
You and me, let's get on.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
You want to go get a drink?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I was tickled by that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems nice.
dan friesen
It's about the little moments.
jordan holmes
He seems nice.
He seems like even if you despise everything he believes, you'd still be like, eh, he's fine.
He's fine.
Listen to that guy.
He's somebody's grandfather, and everybody's like, I wish he wouldn't say that, but then they eat dinner anyways.
unidentified
He's fine.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's capable of being polite.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So at the beginning of this episode, we heard Alex being thrilled that Trump attacked him again.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's kind of a reason.
alex jones
So Trump says anybody that doesn't like the Iran war, that was right about it not ending quickly, and the Iranians closed Fedor Moose, not killing the economy and more, is low IQ.
He says, I'm low IQ.
Well, you can get your low IQ hats at the AliceShieldStore.com.
Now, the truth is, the high IQ people warned Trump, and he didn't listen.
And it's come out behind the scenes.
He's freaking out, and he should be.
But he now is caught in this pissing contest with Iran.
dan friesen
So, yeah, he's wearing and selling a low IQ hat.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of getting caught in a pissing contest.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, whoa, what happened?
I was attacked by a gnat from above, and now I'm peeing next to a man.
So weird.
It's definitely not something I entered into knowingly and should take responsibility for the consequences of.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, it's so you just get trapped in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You get caught in a pissing contest and you're like, oh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
No, because you're talking about being caught by other people.
I think maybe he's saying that Trump didn't think that Iran was this hydrated.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They drank a lot of water.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's now in this pissing contest with a champion pisser.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But that just means that your hubris and your underestimation of your opponent is so great.
That you lost a pissing contest before you even began.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex is selling a hat.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's probably a great hat.
dan friesen
I think there is something funny about trying to reclaim low IQ by having your like, oh, yeah, what you guys should do is wear a dumb hat.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I'm a stunts.
Dunce cap, thank you.
Welcome.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Next try.
dan friesen
No, I'm wearing this because I'm smart.
jordan holmes
I'm too high IQ for you to understand when you call me low IQ, it makes a hat.
dan friesen
I think it's a little desperate.
jordan holmes
See, that's what I'm saying.
The desperation is real.
dan friesen
I don't think he's going to move a lot of these.
jordan holmes
No, I doubt it.
dan friesen
So he goes back to calls.
And I don't even know how to describe this fucking caller.
Black Eye Worm Theory 00:03:46
dan friesen
He is out there.
alex jones
Dave in Colorado, you're on the air.
Welcome.
dave in colorado
Hey, Alex.
It's so great to be online with you again.
Back in the 90s, I knew my father was in the Bohemian Grove and went up there in Northern California every year.
And I've had lots of experiences with him.
I mean, I can remember when he had what's known as the surgery for the Black Eye Club, where they tore out his pineal gland and put a worm in place of the pineal gland.
jordan holmes
And I think he just had a second family.
alex jones
Hold on, let's just start over.
I'm taking open phones today, which is fine.
I love getting these wild card calls.
But you just said your father had surgery putting a worm in his brain?
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
dave in colorado
And they call it, nowadays, they call it the Black Eye Club.
And you've got all these celebrities.
alex jones
You know, I thought I've heard of everything.
I thought I've heard of everything.
You know, a lot of people get black eyes, too, you know.
dave in colorado
Okay, but just let me.
alex jones
No, But let me just stop you.
Let me just stop you.
A few years ago, I have a tendency to get up to urinate during the night and somehow was half awake.
And.
Had like hung up a sports jacket or something sticking out outside the bathroom, and I walked into a clothes hanger, wooden clothes hanger, and I got a little bit of a black eye.
Well, I immediately saw that in the morning.
I go, oh God, I have this black eyed club thing.
They're going to say I'm a Mason.
I need to go put some makeup on.
I don't ever wear makeup unless I have like a cut or something on my face, but maybe once a year.
Famously, I was on Steven Crowder's show.
They even caught it on surveillance camera.
They have these sharp wooden panels.
I was talking to Steven, and somebody talked to me behind.
I turned my nose into the deal and cut it really bad.
And then they made a joke about it when we played it on air.
But I put makeup on my nose for a week.
It was a big cut.
It looked bad.
That was not a secret Masonic deal to have a cut on my nose.
Have you ever had a black eye?
dan friesen
So this goes on for a while, and it's not really as interesting as it should be.
Alex is not thrilled.
He doesn't think this guy knows anything.
But there's a fundamental problem, and that is that Alex immediately is pretending to not know anything about this black eye club thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then goes on to tell a story about how he wore makeup when he had a black eye, so no one would think he was in the Black Eye Club.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So he does know about this.
jordan holmes
Well, he just learned about it.
dan friesen
But also has known about it.
And the knowledge of this club has changed his behavior in the past.
jordan holmes
Well, it's existed for upwards of 5 to 15 seconds now.
Right.
So in the past, obviously, it's altered things forever.
dan friesen
Look, I drunkenly ran into a door one night when I was trying to go piss.
I didn't want people to think that I had my pineal gland replaced by a worm, so I put on some makeup in the morning.
unidentified
No big deal.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of.
dan friesen
And you're crazy.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan of responding to a question with, oh, so he had surgery to put a worm in his head.
You know, I had to pee one time.
Have you ever had a black eye?
Weird.
dan friesen
Not all black eyes are from worms.
jordan holmes
See, my question is what kind of worm?
dan friesen
Earthworm Jim?
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
See, you can't answer this question, and now I will never know the answer to this question.
dan friesen
I don't even know if we're talking about like an organic life form or if it's just like a spirit worm.
jordan holmes
What are we talking about, man?
I need to know these answers.
dan friesen
Yeah, we don't get any resolution on this, but I will say that that guy blew my fucking mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
Independent Candidates Debate 00:07:28
dan friesen
Because later he says that he's in his 70s, and I thought his voice was pretty young.
jordan holmes
He sounded, yeah, early 30s.
unidentified
Yep.
Wow.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It sounded like he had a really rough go of things and then was now he's at about 30.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Instead, he's 70.
That's a real issue for me.
dan friesen
Youthful 70 voice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot of that going around in the Infowars world, strangely.
So he gets another call, and this guy is like, okay, we have been like, everything's fucked.
The political parties, we have a two party system.
It sucks.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So what we need to do is run independent candidates.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We need to.
He's selling Alex a platform.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex is not listening at all.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
mike in ohio
But I feel like we need to start flooding the elections with independent candidates.
Get rid of the party.
We know they're corrupt and they're corruptible.
If we get behind candidates who are registered as independent and we verify that they're a good person and that what they want to do with their elected office is true to our American values, then the alternative media platforms such as yourself, And other, you know, Joe Rogan, whoever, just big people could get behind these people and push their message and let the American people know.
We know people watch your show way more than CNN or MSNBC or any of them.
So, but I feel like, you know, I do have to agree a little bit with the prior caller that no matter which way the pendulum swings, whether it swings left or right, it's still advancing the clock on our enslavement.
You know, we've seen both parties for.
My entire lifetime of noticing politics, 30 years.
I mean, I'm 45 years old.
You know, we've seen them feed us hopium just to rug pull us.
And it's like they make great promises, but when it comes time and they get in office, their party is a good old boy club, you know, and they're all hammering down on them and coercing them to do what's not right.
And I feel like if we had strong independent candidates, it would be our best bet to say, Salvation.
I mean, we could literally turn it around in maybe one election cycle, but how do you feel about that?
Is that something you could get behind?
alex jones
I'd have to think about it, but.
dan friesen
Could you quantify that again?
unidentified
What were you saying?
dan friesen
Could you say all of that again?
jordan holmes
I was off into my own little world.
dan friesen
I was not listening to a fucking word you said.
jordan holmes
I was thinking about somebody putting a worm in my brain.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I wonder what I could see if there was a brain worm up in there.
dan friesen
So much more engaged with the brain worm caller.
jordan holmes
That was a great call, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think it's pretty.
You hear a moment like that.
It's so obvious.
You're not listening.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
That's fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's a little bit fair, though.
I would bet roughly.
$10 billion that if we went back, we could find a newspaper in like fucking 1796 that was like, this two party system is bullshit.
We need to run independent candidates and shit like that.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
This complaint has been going on for a while.
dan friesen
No, I have no problem with the perspective that this caller is coming from.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The two party system's kind of not a good idea.
unidentified
It is bullshit.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, there's a lot of people who are lying about what they intend to do.
unidentified
I'm with you.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Alex is part of that economy now.
It's silly to imagine that Joe Rogan is independent.
Yeah.
But.
I think that at least when someone in the 1700s was writing that in an op ed, you didn't have to have the editor be like, What was that again?
unidentified
Yeah, that's it.
dan friesen
That's not published in there because that's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
We just didn't finish the rest of the article because we were too busy asking him questions about it.
So we just printed about half of it in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it was painfully obvious that Alex wasn't paying attention.
Yeah.
But then immediately after this, he explains that he was not paying attention because someone just brought him.
The news from the New York Times.
unidentified
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
dan friesen
That the Onion owns him.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
I mean, and they just walked in and handed me this.
I'm going to do a little bit in the next hour and then hand it over to Matt Bragging.
New York Times, let's put the HD version up, please.
New York Times!
Now, a year and a half ago, remember the Onion?
They're supposed to have an auction in their federal law so good guys could buy or bad guys.
The Onion had that shut down by the U.S. Trustee's Office, Death Department, and had InfoWars handed over to them.
The federal judge said that that was not legal.
And here we are a year and a half later.
The onion is now in the New York Times.
It's just broke.
And says they're coming in here to take it over next month.
Even though we're still on appeal in Texas and they have huge liability, giant liability doing that, they've gone to Judge Guerra Gamble, the same one that's ordered the Texas trustee, the receiver, to turn our power, internet, and everything off the first.
And they've already cut the internet, but the internet hadn't cut us off yet, so that might happen right now.
I don't know, any minute.
So you don't pay your power bill or whatever, you just wonder when it's going to turn off, and all of a sudden you wait when the morning gets off, that we've all been poor in college or something, and you've had our power turned off and forgotten to pay it.
It's the same thing.
I told you, Bloomberg and the Onion, folks.
And talk about lawsuit city, but they don't care because they got that Bloomberg money.
But it doesn't matter.
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I've been battling the deep state for decades, but intensely, intensely for eight years.
And so I wasn't ignoring that last caller.
I really do that.
But I was halfway listening to him while I was speed reading this because they came in and handed this to me while he was talking.
So I apologize to the caller if I sound a little bit distracted.
I did hear you about the third party and the Patriot Party and all that.
Musk said he was going to do that early on, and then he studied it more and pretty much agreed that it's just the two parties have a lock on that, too.
They're not going to let a third party ever get up there.
I mean, we've got major corruption, folks.
We've got to have major reform.
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jordan holmes
Would that be methylene purple if you take them both at the same dark?
alex jones
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dan friesen
I don't want to induce you into seeing a drug dealer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Your first taste is free.
unidentified
Cheap.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how we do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because you got to induce someone.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's nice.
dan friesen
I think it's a little obvious when he's like, I got this piece of paper and now it is time to sell as hard as I fucking can.
unidentified
Yep.
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dan friesen
It is like his mind doesn't go to anywhere other than like, all right, sell over at the other place.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Try and get customers over there.
jordan holmes
We all, as, as, Thinking apes still struggle with our fight or flight instincts.
You know, it overrides your ability to think.
Alex doesn't have to worry about that.
He has to worry about the sell or don't sell instinct because this is obviously something that drove him to sell.
dan friesen
Right.
And I think a big part of that is someone rushed in with this new breaking headline from the New York Times.
And Alex has to think, like, well, that's going to lead to more traffic over here because people want to see me blow up.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And if I make the most of that, I can do a plug while.
Theoretically, the most people are watching.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the problem.
jordan holmes
But see, he didn't even have to think of that.
That's how good the amygdala can be for the cell or no cell human.
You know, just like, boom, I am selling.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he goes to break and he comes back with like a fucking badass intro.
unidentified
All right.
The show goes up!
alex jones
They just got the filing.
It's accurate.
Bloomberg's backed the onion.
With the CIA, DOJ, it's all been released in court.
unidentified
All of it.
alex jones
Funded all the lawsuits against me, all this total criminal stuff.
dan friesen
So, that thing about how you're going to need a wrecking ball to get me out of here, that's really awesome.
And it sounds defiant as hell.
It's the kind of message that Alex really wants to pretend he embodies.
But earlier in this show, he was calmly talking about how he'd chosen to leave the studio on the 30th because it would be the smoothest way to get over to his new fake business.
It's awesome to say that it's going to take the National Guard to make you back down, but you can't credibly say that after you've already said that you agreed to back down.
In some ways, this turn of events is a pretty big win for Alex because he now has an enemy who's causing the shutdown of Infowars instead of him just trying to insist that he could totally have kept paying rent on the old studio if they just let him.
Ultimately, I think that it's not really a win for Alex because the enemy he has to fight against is a brain trust of skilled comedians and a figurehead who's a pillar of alternative comedy.
Who has a rich history of pointed satire?
He can pretend that the enemy he's up against is Bloomberg and all that, but it's really just smart, funny people who want to fuck with him.
And so I do think that he's able to keep the plate spinning of like Bloomberg is attacking me, but I think people will see through it.
And I don't think it really helps him that much.
It doesn't solve any problems, and Alex isn't going to go away, but I can't just be a hater all the time.
I think it's ultimately not the best plan, but honestly, who cares what I think?
I don't say that to be facetious.
I may be a stick in the mud about this kind of stuff because of the unique position I'm in after all this time.
Like, when I see someone taking over Infowars, I see the possible academic and historical opportunity there is to mine the data and internal documents that'll illustrate how a real vibrant propaganda network runs.
And truth be told, I can't tell if the folks at The Onion aren't pursuing that along with making a comedy site on Infowars Ashes.
Maybe they can do both.
And maybe making an antagonist for Alex that he can't ignore and is inherently not meant to be taken seriously is good.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I'm iffy on everything, but we'll see how it shakes out.
Nothing that anyone does is going to make Alex go away.
So, criticizing this based on the fact that it doesn't make him go away isn't really fair.
And that's an inherent challenge that the Onion now has to deal with.
Sure.
They can't pretend and promise that they're silencing InfoWars or shutting him down for good because he's not going anywhere.
unidentified
Right.
So.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's a.
I don't know.
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing with it, right?
If you don't understand what you're doing, you're fucked.
You get one chance.
You get one chance, and if you can come at him and win, you win and you're good.
And if you lose, you're never coming back.
You're done.
If you lose to Alex Jones and you're Tim Heidecker, you're done.
dan friesen
It's a tightrope.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a tightrope walk that I don't want to say that they don't know what they're doing because I haven't talked to them.
I don't know.
I don't know what awarenesses are there or not, but yeah, it is a bigger challenge than it probably appears on the surface.
It seems like this is a cakewalk, a cake-a-walka, where you just can walk through and do the.
And you can a little, but it is more complicated.
jordan holmes
It is, I mean, here's the thing: as much as I would like to be optimistic in any form or fashion, if it were easy or if it were something that they were capable of doing, we wouldn't have 1,100-odd shows.
Maybe our existence wouldn't be necessary, probably.
So, because we exist, I would be actually fuck it because we exist.
They're screwed, they're hosed, they are fucked.
I think they're fucked, they're idiots.
dan friesen
I think that we've learned a lot of stuff over the course of the time doing this show, yeah, that make it clear to us why this is a really, really hard thing, yeah, that they're undertaking, yeah.
And I don't know if that means they're fucked, but I think that we have a unique perspective.
It comes out a little bit more pessimistically and negatively on your end, and more like, uh, let's see, on my end.
But at the end of the day, Alex is a problem that's still going to exist.
And so that, you know.
jordan holmes
Listen, I mean, hey, what are you going to do?
But if I'm out here, I know there are two professionally funny people who've spent the last 10 years professionally funny as fuck.
Thousands of episodes.
dan friesen
I would at least talk to them periodically funny.
jordan holmes
I will do my best to get.
To somewhat.
I'll be delighted with somewhat funny.
unidentified
Eh.
jordan holmes
I think I. Moderately amusing.
dan friesen
I'm very happy to live in the space where it's like every now and again there's something real funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's how I feel.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But yeah.
So Alex sticks around for a little bit and I think he realizes like this isn't drawing as much traffic as I'd hoped.
I've told Matt Bracken he can host the fourth hour, so I'm just going to let him take over.
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Matt Bracken, take over.
Matt, unmute yourself.
matt bracken
In baseball, my wife's from Philly, and we just watched the losing Phillies game.
You know, there's pitchers that used to play nine innings.
That's very rare now, pitcher pitches nine innings because the managers just say, you know, look, maybe he can finish the game, but it'll wreck his arm.
Then there's guys that come in and like, you know, a deep reliever that like he comes in to like get one or two outs.
And that's where I am.
unidentified
Oof, oof, oof, oof.
dan friesen
I think that, like, yeah, a deep reliever, sure.
You're taking over for the starting pitcher.
So we're not that deep into relief.
And also, the score is 50 to 0.
You are not going to have a save here.
This is not.
jordan holmes
It's going to be tough.
But you do need somebody to eat up innings.
So, in a way, he's very apt with his metaphor.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You have to have somebody throw.
dan friesen
The starter has really blown this fucking thing.
jordan holmes
You can't just quit.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
dan friesen
We've run out of other pitchers.
jordan holmes
Buddy, your turn.
dan friesen
We fired everyone except for like three really bad relievers.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Harrison Smith is under the fucking dirt.
He was trying to pitch and then he got stuck under the mound.
dan friesen
No, he's reached his contractual level of like innings.
He has to host like the morning show, the war room.
He's got to do everything.
jordan holmes
He does have to do a lot of work.
dan friesen
There's no one else there.
His arm is blown.
And it wasn't good to begin with.
jordan holmes
No, it was not.
dan friesen
So, anyway, blown save for Bracken here.
unidentified
No good.
dan friesen
I do think it's funny that one of the callers earlier was using Matt Bracken as an example of someone who's tough to listen to.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then we're going to throw to Matt Bracken real quick, everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I turned it off.
unidentified
Yeah, I bet.
dan friesen
I don't care what Matt Bracken is doing.
jordan holmes
Hard to imagine keeping it going.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think it would be fun if Alex had barged back in or gotten mad, but that's what he has to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is everybody failing me right now?
Is everybody failing me?
Alex, step up.
The onion, get your shit together.
Why is everybody sucking?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I hate to fail you too, but I'm a little chiller about this than I think you probably hope I would be.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You're reasonable.
You're supposed to be chill about this.
dan friesen
You know, it's the Buddhist in me.
You know, I just have to accept what is.
jordan holmes
Well, interesting.
dan friesen
See me wagging my eyebrows at you?
jordan holmes
I do see that.
dan friesen
Anyway, I think that everyone wanted a blow up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I wonder if Alex even has that pitch anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like to keep up with the baseball analogy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He might have gotten Tommy John.
And he just doesn't have that angle anymore.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think that this is actually also part of one of the problems with the takeover happening now, right?
Is two years ago, maybe we could have done something with it.
There was something going on.
Now, I don't think anybody cares.
dan friesen
No, I think Alex has largely ruined his own space.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even care.
dan friesen
No.
And I think that that's part of the reason why I feel a little chiller about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is because, like, I think the opportunity loss.
Is way lower.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think that he doesn't really have much.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, the last time this was going, the Onion bought InfoWars was around the 2024 election.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that the tenor and the way things were working at that point, there was a lot of disruptive possibility and shit.
Whereas now, I don't, I agree with you.
I don't really know.
Most of the audience that is activated and excited is.
Turned against Alex because he's wishy washy on Iran and the Epstein stuff.
And there's no figurehead to rally around.
They don't like Trump anymore.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
JD Vance sucks.
jordan holmes
You're not going to get the regular Media Matters posts of, like, can you believe this fucker said this?
You're not going to get those.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that there's a lot less lost by just creating a parody of him than there would have been in the past.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I think one way or another, he's going to do a bad show.
And I will have to watch it.
So great.
jordan holmes
We'll see what happens.
dan friesen
Life doesn't change that much.
But I'll be on the road.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
That's true.
Coming to you soon from who knows where.
jordan holmes
From who knows where.
dan friesen
And we'll check in then.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
And by the way, what?
I didn't buy them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the Info Onion is available as a URL.
And theinfowar.com is available as a.
Why doesn't he snatch up those URLs?
jordan holmes
I don't even know.
Everybody's failing us.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
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