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March 13, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
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#1124: March 8, 2026

Dan and Jordan dissect Alex Jones's March 8, 2026 broadcast, exposing his hypocrisy regarding Trump's alleged constitutional violations and the New World Order conspiracy. They critique Jones for simultaneously endorsing Trump as a savior while condemning his Iran threats, mocking his "Problem Reaction Solution" tactic to manipulate rural voters despite his own affluent background. The hosts detail how Jones deflects from Kushner's $1.1 billion bailout and 666 Fifth Avenue ties by promoting Antichrist narratives, ultimately arguing that Jones has exhausted valid targets by scapegoating demographics he claims will never leave his audience. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 26:22
d
dan friesen
53:38
j
jordan holmes
27:36
Appearances
Clips
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donald j trump
admin 00:22
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pastor james david manning
00:02
Callers
andy in kansas
callers 00:03
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Speaker Time Text
Dan And Jordan Sweat 00:02:52
alex jones
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
unidentified
Shang me are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the airplane.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fake tin color.
andy in kansas
I'm like here just saying, I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jefferson.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan Jordan.
Dan, quick question for you.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, last month, I would be letting you go.
jordan holmes
February is my month to start.
dan friesen
March traditions.
Okay, well, I will tell you about my bright spot.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And it's a bit of a correction from last time.
jordan holmes
Now you're back.
Wait.
Which direction are we on, Survivor?
dan friesen
I think I was a little too positive.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
jordan holmes
Now we're back the other direction.
Okay.
dan friesen
No, I think the last time I was also a little too positive.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Without giving too many spoilers about last night's episode of Survivor season 50, they keep talking about this boomerang idol to the point where I'm sick and tired of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Jeff Probst raps.
unidentified
No.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I refuse that.
dan friesen
They show up for a tribe swap, and Jeff Probst does a a cappella rap.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
No one asked for this.
jordan holmes
No, that's not possible.
dan friesen
I can't imagine, you know, it's like, okay, the season is in the hands of the fans.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The fans all voted for everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Did they vote on that rap?
dan friesen
They better not have.
Don't blame me for that.
jordan holmes
Do you think the producers knew about the rap, or do you think probes just went, boom, off script?
I've got this.
I've got this MC album that I'm looking to drop, right?
dan friesen
No, This wasn't ready for wax.
You're not getting studio time with this.
It was bad.
jordan holmes
What would he be?
MC Survivor?
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
MF Idol?
dan friesen
This guy, this fucking asshole.
Like, I've watched every season of Survivor.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've not seen him rap.
jordan holmes
I can't believe that happened.
dan friesen
Yeah, I was scandalized.
Nothing can happen on this season that's going to be good now.
jordan holmes
That is honestly astonishing.
Why?
Why?
There's never been a reason for an older white man to rap ever.
Survivor Rap Scandal 00:04:36
jordan holmes
Not one time.
dan friesen
I was watching it and I literally thought I was hallucinating.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I had to pause it.
jordan holmes
This can't be happening.
unidentified
Hold on.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, I hope the season will get better because it can't get worse from that.
But what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is a double spot.
It's bright and a little bit dark.
The USA advanced out of the group pool stage into the elimination rounds, right?
Which is good.
That's a bright spot.
But they almost didn't.
They almost were the victims of one of the great hubrises of all time, which is that they're maybe the best collection of baseball talent that's ever been put together.
And they were 3-0 in the group round.
And they thought they had wrapped it all up.
Doesn't matter.
This fourth game doesn't mean anything.
They wind up losing to Italy 8-6.
And afterwards, they're talking to the manager and they're like, you guys know that if Mexico wins by less than four runs, then you're knocked out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they only won by like one.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yep, yep.
So it was literally Italy and Mexico.
And Italy could have maybe, I don't know how they would have managed to pull it off.
They could have like thrown the game and lost by less than four.
And then the United States would have been out of the entire tournament.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't that have been great?
That would have been amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, those are the kind of moments that only sports can give you.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you overconfident fucks.
You have it coming.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
But they moved it out.
jordan holmes
But they made it out.
Italy just demolished Mexico.
So they're going to probably win the whole thing now.
But for a brief moment.
dan friesen
Do you think the Italians are going to win?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
The U.S. is going to win.
They're probably going to win the whole thing now.
But they almost were out.
dan friesen
Did I or did I not picture the entire Italian team with curly mustaches?
jordan holmes
Curly mustaches?
Yes, of course you did.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be fun.
jordan holmes
I even pictured them in Field of Dreams uniforms.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Puffy fantasy.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Yep.
You know it.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad you're still having fun with the classic.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would have been more fun if they got knocked out, but it was.
It's still great to watch the greatest collection of baseball talent ever played.
dan friesen
Good times.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, which is the greatest collection of Alex being a dumbass.
jordan holmes
Don't know if that's true.
dan friesen
And we'll talk about it.
Sucks.
You know, we're still in the aftermath of Trump attacking Iran.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex trying to make peace with us.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But not Iran.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
Well, maybe.
Maybe not.
No.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on covering this here March 8th, 2026 episode.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, my New Year's resolution is to pay for my favorite content and stop being a freeloader.
Come back to the X-Ray Arcade, you cowards.
Adam from Milwaukee.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I figure the odds are we will be back there eventually.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's close enough.
dan friesen
Next, Graham Hancock is my Alex Jones.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And Big Mac got emotional when John Cena retired, but despises WWE and Triple H for being Trump's lapdogs.
The duality of man.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Julian the Swiss carpenter.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home for your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor james david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So I have been feeling like I want to go back to 2006.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think in the present is a disaster.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, you know, we had the excitement of the theoretical March 7th date coming up.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
That was exciting.
dan friesen
And then Alex having to deal with the blowback and audience disappointment of Trump attacking Iran.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I feel like we got to see how this plays out.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's too exciting not to watch.
jordan holmes
I mean, I assume he is not off the air.
dan friesen
No, March 8th, he's still on air.
jordan holmes
Still on air.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He also celebrated March 7th by having Stefan Molyneux on his show.
jordan holmes
What a world.
Trump God Connection 00:16:03
dan friesen
No, wait, that might have been the 6th.
That was Friday.
Finally had the white nationalist fact.
jordan holmes
It's about time.
dan friesen
But he starts off this show on the 8th talking about Trump and how the Intel community and a lot of the good guys inside Trump's administration had tried to tell him not to attack Iran.
And he didn't listen.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it is Sunday, March 8th, 2026.
I am your host and your chronicler, Alex Jones, coming to you from Deep and Heart of the Texas Austin Transmitting World Live.
All right.
This war is going exactly the way I predicted it would.
And by the way, well, from my own research and analysis, I've laid out exactly what's happening.
And it turns out that there was a multi-intelligence agency report oversaw by Tulsi Gabbard, delivered to Trump one week before that he requested that said you're not going to get regime change, 90 plus percent chance.
Doesn't matter how many moolahs you kill, they're just going to keep replacing them.
And they're going to block the straight of Hormuz.
And then they just went through the different horrible scenarios.
And that information has been purposely leaked by good people in the Pentagon who never leaked in the last year on Trump because they're being faithful.
I mean, a few mid-level have and they've been fired and indicted.
No, this is to try to get Trump to get out of the megalomania mode where he has been totally emboldened by success in Venezuela so far.
He's looking to destabilize.
He's already destabilized and overthrow Cuba, which I won't cry if that happens.
I mean, Trump basically thinks he's running the tables right now.
And Iran is a different animal than Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, you name it.
dan friesen
So just to keep track of where we're at, Alex is now saying that Trump is a megalomaniac who's attacking and overthrowing other countries against the advice of his own administration.
And it's gotten so bad that the alleged good guys in the government are having to leak embarrassing stuff to try to get Trump to chill out.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I fail to see how this doesn't make Trump basically the worst president ever, even by Alex's estimation.
He's clearly acting dictatorially with no respect for the Constitution.
And based on Alex's assessment from our last episode, he's literally gambling with our lives.
There were a lot of fun conspiracies about what Obama or Clinton wanted to do with FEMA or encouraging volunteering in the community, but it feels like Alex should think what Trump is doing is worse.
Obama and Clinton were Democrats, so there was never a chance Alex would ever side with them, which means we shouldn't look to his response to any of their actions to help contextualize what's going on now.
However, the way things are playing out and the way Alex is telling the story of Trump attacking Iran makes for an almost perfect parallel to George W. Bush.
And when you consider the picture from that angle, Alex's horrible reaction looks even worse.
Bush lied about 9-11 and various other things to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Trump lied about wanting to take out the Iranian nuclear capabilities in order to start a regime change war where we have no idea how things are going to play out.
There were leaked memos about how going into Iraq was a bad decision.
And now there are leaked documents from the Trump administration about how going into Iran is a bad decision.
Alex was very clear about how evil Bush was, and that clarity stands in stark contrast to the ambiguity that he needs to present with Trump.
I hit on this again and again because it's a central issue that Alex is stuck in.
He can't accept the true horror of how bad Trump is without admitting that he was wrong to endorse him and promote him as a transcendent leader, and he can't admit he was wrong about those things because God told him those things.
Even though Alex's career was deeply tied in with Ron and Rand Paul, it was sort of easy to cast them aside when he needed to because they were just the best options in a sea of bad politicians.
They were mortal men who just loved the Constitution and had weird ideas about economics and suspicious ties to racists.
Alex tied his support to the Paul's with the rational motivations, namely that they would be better elected officials than the Democratic alternative.
Conversely, Alex sold Trump using wildly irrational motivations, like all the shit about a battle between good and evil and literal demons running wild on earth.
God was giving him messages and warnings to pass along to Trump on the show, and the audience's only hope for salvation was Trump winning.
Alex can't have been wrong because that means that God was wrong.
But at the same time, Alex knows his audience has grown tired of blind faith, and they aren't going to accept him getting on air and saying something like, Trump works in mysterious ways.
This is the pickle he's in, where he has to sour on Trump somewhat, or he'll lose his audience to other palatable voices who aren't afraid to say that the emperor has no clothes, but he can't sour too much without risking a bunch of people in his audience realizing that he blasphemed to them.
That sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was, I was actually, it's funny.
I was actually thinking about this on the way over here: is like the number of people who tied together God with Trump, and now to be where they are is like, there are only two ways to deal with that.
And that's either to really humble yourself and rethink just about everything or to look at this in the face and say, this is what God wants.
God does not want the Epstein files released.
God does not want, this is the desire of God, what we are doing right now.
God wants Trump to go to the war in Iran.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You have to do one or the other.
dan friesen
I think there's three options.
There's the two that you've described, which is basically like, this is God's will, or I have to reconsider all the time.
jordan holmes
Or all fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or descending into just nihilism.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Where you just don't care.
jordan holmes
God, well.
dan friesen
I think that there's a lot of people who are closer to that than either of the discrete paths.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is interesting just how like shallow this reveals so much religion to be.
Because those really, if there is a God truly that you believe in, there really do only two of those options really do exist, you know?
Yeah, it's only because they're, you know, that we're where we are.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex is, you know, he's pretty, he's pretty down on this whole Iran thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he thinks that what Trump is doing is really only going to hurt the people and make the government worse over there.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Now, Trump said on Truth Social Friday morning, he said, we read it on air quite a few times.
He said, if you don't give up now, this may go 20 years or I may decide today to totally destroy your whole country.
What he said.
But he said, regardless, I'm going to start hitting other targets that basically affect the general population.
And they just blew up most of the oil refineries and systems starting Friday afternoon right through to today.
It's continuing the United States and Israel are obliterating their oil and gas infrastructure, which is the main power they have in the country and one of their only sources of money.
And they're not going to give up.
And the CIA study that others have, looking at the psychology of the population, this is only going to make the Moolah's long-term more secure in their power.
It's going to hurt the general public there and bring them into basic starvation, just like the sanctions under the bushes and the worst of the Clintons on Iraq killed millions of people.
Most of them children.
No medicine allowed in, no nothing.
jordan holmes
And that's why he's a great president.
alex jones
So very, very diabolical.
The Moolahs are diabolical.
They're terrible and don't care about life.
They do terrible things as well.
But I don't think two wrongs make a right.
dan friesen
Sure.
It sounds like Trump sucks.
Why would he make that choice?
Why would he do that stuff?
jordan holmes
I mean, do you need is it possible to excuse those things?
dan friesen
Not if you're Alex.
jordan holmes
Like if he's if you just describe those things and then you're like, but he's perfect in every other way.
I would still go, so?
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a problem.
This is a deal breaker.
jordan holmes
This is a thing.
You're describing it as a deal breaker.
The word diabolical is satanic in origin.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that the needle or Alex is trying to thread this little slot where there's bad people and good people with Trump.
There's good and evil, and they're at war with each other.
And it's just not going to fly.
I mean, it's the real world is happening.
jordan holmes
We know that it's a bad move.
We know he's going to murder millions of people.
We know these things.
And we know he's not going to stop purely because of his psychological and personality deficiencies.
dan friesen
He's a megalomaniac.
jordan holmes
And that's why I'm going to vote for him for a third term, baby.
dan friesen
Well, you got to.
I mean, good terms are coming up and you don't want to change horse in midstream or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
So, Alex, I really, I mean, he's not saying, fuck Trump.
We got to overthrow this guy.
But he's pretty negative.
jordan holmes
He's very negative.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he's talking about how he can play all these compilations of Trump saying he would never go into Iran.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I can play the compilations I already have.
Dozens of times Trump said when he first ran 10 years ago and then right through to a year and a half ago when he was running for the third time saying going to full war with Iran is World War III.
It's stupid.
It's horrible.
The Democrats will bring you there.
I won't.
I'll bring you peace.
I am peace.
And I knew that Trump had been good about not starting wars and had pissed off the neocons that were his big enemies as well as the neoconnish liberals in his first term.
So I believed him.
And overall, trying to end the war with Russia has done a good job.
It's been harder than he thought it would be.
And I believed it would have been harder than he believed.
He said day one he could end it.
So weighing all of that, he's not as bad as the Democrats and the neocons, but he is becoming neoconnish and kind of pushing away classic, you know, anti-offensive war MAGA.
dan friesen
So understood correctly, what Alex is saying is that he has compilations filled with times Trump lied about his intentions, which Alex believed, then sold to his audience as divinely important truth.
Trump isn't becoming a neocon, but more importantly, if Trump were the person that Alex sold the audience, it would be impossible for him to become a neocon.
Trump is supposed to have been raised by a staunch anti-communist, and he's been preparing for this all his life.
He has a keen awareness of the new world order, and he knows that he's in a death battle against the literal devil.
If Trump were anything close to Alex's fantasy version of him, he would have the knowledge and wisdom that would preclude him from ever going to the evil side because he would understand the stakes.
There's just no way that both versions of Trump that Alex preaches about are real.
But the twist is that neither is.
They're both fabrications that he uses to sway the audience where he needs them to go.
Trump is the herald of God when he needs them to accept what he's doing and rejoice.
And Trump is the dumb kid who falls in with a bad crowd of neocons when Alex needs the audience to grumble about Trump and not think any deeper about how Alex said he was the herald of God fairly recently.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's just all bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's a real bummer.
It's a real bummer when once you remove the name and then like just give somebody a list of the war crimes, they're like, that person should be in jail, maybe even sent to the Hague, maybe even executed.
And then you're like, ha ha, it's Trump.
And they're like, actually, it's probably good.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, like, there's probably reasons he did the things that he did.
And you got to think like Harris would be worse.
unidentified
What?
What?
jordan holmes
You know, also, you, okay.
Here's what's worse.
Here's what's worse.
Successfully starting a war is worse than unsuccessfully starting a war.
So even if the neocons and liberals tried to start a war, Trump did start a war.
dan friesen
Well, and let's even, let's even peel this onion back another layer.
Both of those are way more serious than hypothetically starting a war.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
In a present that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
We can't talk about what Harris would have done because that didn't happen.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, no, go even back further.
Clinton, what would have Clinton done?
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
What would Bill have done with a third term?
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Fun.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Is there what?
When you have to make something so bad to justify what you are okay with, that just needs to, you should just tell yourself what's going on.
dan friesen
Yeah, it kind of speaks for itself.
jordan holmes
Harris would have killed 20 million people.
Okay, that's your low.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
That also didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Yep, that didn't happen.
dan friesen
We're in the reality of the branching path where Trump did win, and now he's doing this.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Deal with it.
jordan holmes
Tell me, here's what I would like.
Here's what I would like.
I would like them to tell me what Harris would have done, write it down, and then hold yourself accountable to it.
If Trump does exactly that, you have to say Trump is Harris.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it's too late for us to get them to commit to it.
That would have been good on day one.
jordan holmes
It would have been good.
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has gotten into a little bit of a Twitter beef.
Well, it was short-lived.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
James Woods said some shit about how he's disenchanted with the GOP and they're all a bunch of assholes.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
They lost James Woods?
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
But that's how Alex interpreted it.
They got to a little back and forth on Twitter.
But rest assured, they squashed it.
Everything's cool.
James Woods rules.
jordan holmes
Thank God.
alex jones
He clarified.
I clarified.
That's great.
Big fan of James Woods politics.
And I'm, again, not a huge movie person.
And I don't, you know, fetishize actors and actresses and really care about them, never have.
But it's funny.
Most of the actors I do like are conservative, like Robert Duvall or just so many others or James Woods.
I love James Woods.
Love all his movies.
Big fan of James Woods.
Wish he was still acting.
He really doesn't put much out.
But I'm interested to hear that from James Woods.
I just covered this as celebrity news.
It just ties into the big fight going on inside the Republican Party.
dan friesen
Alex isn't covering this because it's celebrity news.
He's covering the story because a celebrity responded to him on Twitter, and Alex is painfully addicted to social media.
Also, great to know that James Woods is cool.
Alex might want to look into the many allegations of him sexually harassing co-stars, including people who are underage, like Natasha Leone and Amber Tamblin.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Cool.
He's a great guy with great politics.
jordan holmes
You know, he was Hades in Hercules, so, you know, he's got that going for him.
New World Order Conspiracy 00:08:19
jordan holmes
That's about where it ends for me.
dan friesen
Who's in the Clerks Animated series?
jordan holmes
I think he was in the Clerks Animated series.
dan friesen
He's done some things.
jordan holmes
You're right.
He's done a couple of cartoon.
I don't know if he's ever been live action.
dan friesen
And I wish I'd looked into this a little bit more in advance, but I have the sense that he's been working a lot just in bad things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's been in a lot of really bad projects.
jordan holmes
There is an industry right now that is filled with unsuccessful conservatives, but they are just cranking out movies.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a lot of people who have too dangerous of ideas.
jordan holmes
Too dangerous of ideas.
And several iPhones.
And that's really all you need anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So JD Vance has stepped in it.
He accidentally said that they're bringing in a new world order.
But it's kind of cool.
It's kind of all right.
alex jones
By the way, coming up, JD Vance said we are building a new world order, and people are going crazy.
They're saying, oh my God, he's with the New World Order.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Well, that's not what he's saying.
When you study the policy reports, it's very clear.
I'll get to that later.
The globalists were setting up their UN world government system and calling it the New World Order.
But in political science academia, when an old order's dying, that's the globalist order.
Then the vacuum is filled by new systems, and then a new global order or new international order is created.
We want one with nation-states around capitalism.
jordan holmes
We all understood that.
You're the one who did it.
alex jones
And to build a multi-polar world where nations deal with each other unilaterally and then sometimes get in coalitions to then come to larger decisions that don't affect national sovereignty, and we dismantle the corporate World Economic Forum UN system.
dan friesen
This is a perfectly rational explanation that should suffice for any person concerned about JD Vance talking about a new world order.
All he's saying is that there was an order in place in terms of international relations, and he prefers a different order.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
It's the same thing that H.W. Bush was saying in that speech that Alex built his career around.
jordan holmes
Better believe it.
dan friesen
It's the same thing that countless politicians have said in the exact same words or slight variations.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
But from Alex, this is gaslighting.
jordan holmes
You better believe it.
dan friesen
He comes from a tradition where the words New World Order mean something very specific as a compound noun.
It's not just a world order that's new and distinct from the one we've been living in.
It's a centuries-old conspiracy that's either about communism or the devil, depending on what day you ask.
The New World Order, as Alex wants us to see it on this episode, is just the post-World War II, post-Cold War agreements about borders and international cooperation that we came to.
It's the UN, it's the EU, these corporate unelected bodies that allegedly usurp each member country's ability to act in their own interests.
It's NATO holding back Russia.
It's the EU not letting Tommy Robinson kill Muslims.
But on Infowars, the New World Order is the Illuminati.
That goes back to the 1700s.
The New World Order is the Jacobins in France and the Bolsheviks in Russia.
The motto Novus Ordo Seclorum was first put on the seal of the United States in 1782.
In InfoWars world, the idea is supposed to be that these guys have always existed and taken on different faces at different points in time, always pushing a new world order to advance their control.
jordan holmes
Not unlike the Assassin's Creed video game.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
They created the old order.
It ran its course.
Then they built a new order on the ashes of the old one.
When you hear someone advocating for a new world order, it's supposed to be a dead giveaway that they're working for these people because the world works on magic rules.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The bad guys have to publicly state their evil intentions or else God will be mad that they've subverted humanity's free will.
As long as they say what they're going to do in advance, it's our fault for not stopping them.
So when Bush talks about a new world order, that's taken as him telling you their evil plan.
jordan holmes
He has to.
dan friesen
That's the only way God's going to let him get away with killing everyone.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
So you are the fool who accepts the rational explanation for why new world order is okay to say.
But I know that the new world order is a magical set of words that is a trap for all rational, right-thinking people.
dan friesen
They're externalizing the hierarchy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The framework that Alex used to promote his ideas in the past was and is fucking stupid.
And all the rules that he used to attack people in power he didn't like are being broken by the people in power that he does like now.
And that is really the problem.
It's the framework.
Alex has a problem with his audience after JD Vance talks about a new world order because Alex's career is built on sensationalizing exactly that.
If he just said, I hate Bush and I don't like his policy choices, none of his audience would care about JD Vance saying a new world order now.
Alex took a shortcut to success that involved videos of manipulated context being used to lead people to idiotic conclusions.
And the price of that is in 2026, he has to look fucking stupid trying to defend JD Vance.
That's the bill come and do.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, how many more times can he say New World Order?
Because obviously, we've got this one, right?
We're going to have Trump say it again here pretty soon because he's already said New World Order.
dan friesen
He said some wild shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, he might as well have said, I'm in the Illuminati.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, hey, Americans are going to die.
Suck it up.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Tighten your belts.
Shit's going to get bad.
jordan holmes
Who else is going to have to say New World Order before we're like, all right, even Alex is going to accept that this is bad?
dan friesen
Well, I think that his current trajectory is what he needs to stay with.
Like, it sounds stupid, but now there's no going back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, once you rationally explain it away and you have it on, it's on audio.
dan friesen
And you're defensive as hell about it.
jordan holmes
Very defensive.
dan friesen
Yeah, going back and listening to these 2006 episodes, he has ads for his documentaries and they just have like techno remixes of Bush going like new world order.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's, it's just fucking insane to think that it doesn't matter now.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I want to throw rocks at the past and it feels very impossible to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, I worry that it is.
jordan holmes
Man, if there was an X-Men with like real, genuine, good time traveling powers, that's really the only use for him is just throwing a rock at everybody in the past.
dan friesen
Wasn't that cable?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
But he tried to do good or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, not rocks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, throw rocks.
dan friesen
So Trump, he's, ooh, you might be able to write the ship.
unidentified
No!
What?
What?
No.
dan friesen
He's cutting it close.
alex jones
If Trump can start to make this turn into neocon globalism, if he continues much longer, then, as many have said, Trump is not here to dismantle the globalist New World Order and bring America back to where it was.
No, he's simply putting a new coat of paint on the new world order and setting it up for him and his family and them to run it with some tweaks and maybe not as openly satanic, but still it takes you the same place.
It's like you're using Google Maps or Waze or something and you plot where you want to go.
Here's my location.
Here's where I want to go.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
It shows you five different routes to get there.
jordan holmes
Get there.
alex jones
And with Trump, it's more of a country ride, leisurely ride, you know, to the same place.
There in two hours.
And that's hell.
Painting Over The Truth 00:02:53
dan friesen
Sounds like pacifying.
alex jones
I don't want to go to the destination.
And before we were the first 10, 11 months, we were going the opposite direction away from from from Mordor.
jordan holmes
Right, but now we are going.
alex jones
It's back to the Shire.
And I was like, that's really, wow.
In real action, it was real.
And then, ooh, he started turning.
And I'm like, hey, you're kind of Mordor's over here.
Wait a minute.
And I'm like, oh, you're not.
He's right.
That looks a little, oh, so, oh, this is incredible.
Better than I thought.
Wow, this is amazing.
We're going away from Mordor.
What's going on here?
I'm a little concerned.
Whoa, hey, hey, ha, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
So right now, it's like about to be and then when it starts choo-chooing towards Mordor, I'm going to go completely ape.
dan friesen
We're going wee wee and then we go choo-choo.
jordan holmes
I hated that.
I hated every moment of that.
That was the worst clip I've ever heard.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was real dumb.
So the position here seems to be that if Trump doesn't change course immediately, it'll become painfully obvious to Alex that he never meant to defeat the devil.
He was just there to put a new coat of paint on the satanic system and get richer.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's great, but it still doesn't deal with how Alex has said for like a decade that Trump is the real deal and he's not just a new coat of paint.
God and the Holy Spirit drove Alex to passionately support Trump and cry on air about him and how he's not a coat of paint.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
If it is true that Trump is just a coat of paint on the old system, it's important to consider a couple of other implications of that.
A coat of paint is used to hide defects, usually to sell an inferior product to a consumer.
So if Trump is a coat of paint on the devil, it should be painfully clear that the paint was needed to fool the folks in Alex's audience, like the Tea Party people, into thinking that he was something shiny and new.
The coat of paint was to trick you.
But even more damning, you need to understand that someone has to apply that paint.
Things don't just paint themselves.
And of all the people who have long careers in some form of media, there's no one who's done more Trump painting than Alex.
Understood correctly, Trump provided the paint.
And folks like Roger enlisted Alex to do the painting for him.
Still more damning, there's one last piece of this metaphor that indicts Alex, which is that if you give something a new coat of paint, you know damn well what you're painting over.
You're probably the last person who sees the thing before it got painted.
You're aware of why you're painting it.
jordan holmes
You're the one who put the paint on it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You didn't do it blind.
dan friesen
No.
The point is, no matter what level of turning on Trump Alex ever does or doesn't do, it won't be enough.
You can have buyer's remorse when you realize that someone sold you a shitty product, but you can't have seller's remorse when that customer comes back demanding answers that you sold them a shitty product.
There's no empathy for the con man.
Alex Enlisted For Painting 00:13:11
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You know what you're doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, obviously.
I wonder.
All right.
Since we're here, right?
And the thing to do is write.
Okay.
Let me try it.
unidentified
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Let me back up here a second.
What I want to do is like Johnny Carson, this.
I want to write down a thing.
unidentified
Okay.
Right.
jordan holmes
Or I want to have Alex write down a thing that is the last thing.
This is the thing.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Well, I think he described it there.
We're going to go, wow, wow, wow, watch you.
jordan holmes
But I mean, like, what is just give me a thing for Trump to have to do for you to be like, fuck, I cannot go any further.
And then I'll just have the envelope ready and waiting for when he does it, right?
dan friesen
I think a safe thing for him to say in the envelope would be like, horns.
jordan holmes
Just horns?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He would grow horns?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Write it down.
I fucking write it down and I will hold you to it.
dan friesen
I think he would think that's safe.
jordan holmes
I bet he would.
I don't anymore.
I genuinely don't anymore.
dan friesen
Put it in the envelope.
jordan holmes
Put it in the envelope.
dan friesen
So Alex, you know, he's airing some grievances with Trump.
And one of them is that Trump loves glyphosate, which is the weed killer that he championed banning for the last 30 years.
jordan holmes
I don't like how we can have different tiers of stakes going on simultaneously.
I don't appreciate that at all.
That's what I hate about the news.
That's what I hate about all this stuff.
I don't care about glyphosate right now on account of the war.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I think that Alex shouldn't care either because there's more pressing issues.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But also, you know, like it's very clear that Trump isn't on the same page as him.
And that's kind of funny.
But also, like, I don't think he's taking it seriously.
alex jones
I mean, this continues with this.
I mean, like, you know what?
We're going to give liability protection to glyphosate, Roundup.
Absolute fact, they knew it causes mass cancer, infertility, death.
Kennedy gets in there.
The liability protection goes away.
They're winning all the lawsuits.
The whole world's banning it.
And Trump goes, liability protection on Roundup.
Now, we're still going to face it out, but right now, you know, they got to have liability protection.
That's another big click, click, click towards Mornor.
And I'm just sitting there watching this.
But I do not apologize for helping get Trump in.
He's been totally disruptive for the Globalists.
So much good has happened.
That's why they hated him.
But if he goes sideways, it doesn't mean we were wrong to support him.
It doesn't mean that, oh, we screwed up.
jordan holmes
Yes, it does.
Yes, it does.
alex jones
Liars better than the other guys.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
And we're the ones that put him in.
We're the ones that built this.
jordan holmes
It's your fault.
alex jones
And all over the world.
And so we're going to continue to push.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Alex shouldn't apologize for supporting Trump.
He should retire.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
According to Alex, Trump is giving liability protection to a chemical that's responsible for soft-killing countless Americans and is basically a bioweapon poison.
But hey, at least Harris isn't in there.
He lied us into a war in Iran, which he swore he wouldn't do, but at least Kamala isn't president.
Come on, guys.
The two selling points for not apologizing for Trump seem to be that the Democrats would have been worse and that folks like Alex were what was powering Trump to begin with.
The first one's a lesser of two evils argument that doesn't mean anything.
And the second one is an appeal to trust the instincts of the guy who sold you the bullshit that brought you here, which I think would be unwise.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels like being pot committed is usually bad and a fallacy.
What these people are is so far beyond that, I can't even comprehend it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's someone going all in and then saying they didn't.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like there's just.
jordan holmes
But then somehow also putting the mortgage for their house on the table and then be like, eh, I didn't do that.
But then somehow also putting the mortgage for their parents' house on the fucking table.
I didn't do that.
And then losing it all and then being like, I'm going to keep it anyways.
dan friesen
I think Alex has referred to it as my life, my family, and my treasure.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Put it all out there.
dan friesen
It's like a poker game that is unfortunately like at a bar or something.
jordan holmes
And they're forcing us to play.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there's no one enforcing the rules.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Like this person can get away with that all in that they say they didn't do.
jordan holmes
Because we've essentially been tied up around the table.
And this is like a mad hatter version of the poker game.
Yeah, that's actually sounds right.
dan friesen
No longer poker.
jordan holmes
No, no, nope.
Now we're just dancing to his tunes.
dan friesen
So Alex goes, you know, he talks a little bit about how, you know, the people who voted for Trump.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They wanted to avoid World War III.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
But then they failed.
unidentified
Woo-hoo.
jordan holmes
Boy, howdy.
alex jones
Big events like this Iran war and the attempt at gaslighting when it's not a war.
When Trump's like, yeah, it's a war.
Well, sir, it's no, it's not a war for legal reasons.
All that crap pisses off Trump's supporters because we're the good guys and we know what you said and we know what you stand for and we know why people voted for you.
The number one thing people told me in the streets, black, white, Hispanic, old, young, immigrants that were citizens, you name it, was he will stop World War III.
He won't go to war with Iran.
He'll stop the war with Russia.
That wasn't about the economy.
That was second, that was second.
Then third was the border.
It was stop war.
Secure the border.
Fix the economy.
Well, he's done the border thing.
Not the deportation.
Yet, because they're scaling up.
They're doing a great job there as well for what they had.
But that's where I stand on this, and I'm going to move on.
And the reason I explain that every day is that's the big debate raging everywhere.
And we have new listeners shooting in all the time.
So I just want to be 100% clear where we are, what I stand for.
dan friesen
Alex has not stated a clear position on this episode.
In essence, he's saying that he always, the same kind of thing that he always says, which is that he's this close to being sick of Trump's shit.
But man, isn't he better than Harris?
jordan holmes
He's way better than Harris.
dan friesen
He's not stated a clear opposition to Trump.
And if anything, he's expressed a belief that Trump can redeem himself by being less like the neocons and stop being friends with them.
And in effect, this is him making his position clear.
The Democrats will always be worse.
So there's nothing that Trump can do to make Alex not support him until there's a viable alternative who could be in power.
All the while, Trump is going to continue to do horrible shit that Alex is supposed to be against, which he'll do his best to blame on other people like cabinet members or the Israeli government.
I suspect that after the midterms, if the GOP can put together a viable candidate to rally behind, Alex will be more open to just treating Trump like a lame duck.
But for now, it's going to be defensive whining and lesser of two evils shit.
Also, Alex's content, like it usually focuses on exciting, flashy shit like World War III, but the economy was the actual most important issue in the polls in the 2024 election.
Does Alex think that no one remembers the constant yelling about Biden and inflation?
Like that was incessant.
jordan holmes
I'm so frustrated with us all because there was a big deal made about gas prices.
So huge, such a big deal that they had to make a whole bill about it and do the whole thing.
And then now the gas prices are lower, but nobody's been like, ha ha!
Why?
Why are they lower now?
dan friesen
And then they're higher and then they're lower.
jordan holmes
And then they're lower.
Was it important last time or not important last time?
Is it less important now?
Is it more important now?
Tell me exactly how important it was last time.
Did everybody overreact like fucking lunatics?
dan friesen
No, it's always equally important, but Trump's working on it.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I just read the typewriter and the serial killer or something.
I don't remember the title very well.
I read it yesterday.
But it's about the New Yorker Paris kind of like gossip columnist and the last guy to be publicly executed in France.
And it's set right in the up as we go up to World War II, right?
And so she's doing all these things.
And she gets the opportunity, one of the first Americans, to go to a Nazi rally.
And what she writes about Hitler after that Nazi rally is like, don't go back and read it.
You'll feel real scared.
So, anyways, much like how somebody say invaded Poland out of nowhere, I would say we're on a very specific path forward.
dan friesen
There are, as George Lucas might say, the shit rhymes.
jordan holmes
It seems rhymey.
It seems like the limerick we've all been waiting for.
dan friesen
Yeah, just trash.
Just fucking trash.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex, like, on some level, has to recognize that this is about as bad as it could be, like, in terms of the person he's chosen to get behind.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Trump is like straight up violating the Constitution all over the place.
And Alex can't even deny it anymore, but he refuses to actually say it.
alex jones
It is just beyond frustrating to see people out there saying, oh, well, the Iranians are celebrating.
And yeah, undoubtedly, the Moodles are unpopular.
And yeah, there's people out in the streets.
That's great.
We cannot continue to be committed to things that even if they're sure things really violate the Constitution.
I've studied it.
And we could definitely go take out Maduro.
jordan holmes
Even if you skimmed it.
alex jones
Because that's been done.
It's in the Constitution.
It was done by the founding fathers, the third president, Thomas Jefferson, the Barbary Wars.
I mean, I understand the Monroe Doctrine, all of that stuff.
I said, this is the first time I can, with concern, say, yes, you can do this constitutionally, Trump, but it could go bad, but who knows?
We'll see.
And it went extremely well.
And I set the time.
I said, it's gone well.
Incredible execution, you name it.
Nobody killed on our side.
So far, it looks like Venezuela's getting stabilized.
This is happening.
I talked to people in the military and others that are going in.
But I said, will this hype Trump up to then feel emboldened where he had instincts not to do giant military operations against powerful countries and to be offensive in nature?
Will this spur him to start listening to people who are the minority but are there in his ear telling him, no, no, no, we can do this.
Let's do this.
What is this footage you're showing?
Oh, the Iran protests in New York.
All right, thank you.
dan friesen
Good stuff.
So this is an example of a pattern that I've brought up about Alex in the past, where he's saying a certain thing very obviously, but he refuses to just say it because he knows that if he does, he has to act differently.
The point of what Alex is saying here is that he believes that kidnapping Maduro and doing regime change in Venezuela is defensible in terms of the Constitution, but that starting a war with Iran is not.
The point he's making by talking about the aggression against Venezuela being constitutional is meant to highlight the fact that Trump's actions with Iran aren't.
But Alex is reluctant to just say that Trump has violated the Constitution because he knows that if he clearly articulates that, there's no more lesser of two evils game to play.
There's no more playing around with the maybe we can get Trump to course correct because it's too late for that.
Alex has boxed himself into a position where the worst thing a president could do is violate the Constitution.
But if he accepts that and acts accordingly, he's handing power over to the literal devil.
Trump is acting in defiance of the Constitution, and Alex can't even pretend otherwise.
But if he really looked at this head on, he'd realize that he's at a crossroads.
He can either demand Trump be impeached, knowing that that plays into the Democrats' hands, or any other action he takes means that violating the Constitution isn't a deal breaker.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The Constitution really only applies when it's convenient.
And if following it means your side loses some amount of power, the rules don't really apply.
That's the implication of him not demanding Trump be impeached.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I've heard about this First Amendment my whole fucking life and how it's inviolable.
How all of the Constitution is inviolable, but it turns out we don't have like cops to just go arrest you if you break it.
dan friesen
Well, because it's, man, when it's the president, it's so debatable.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like it's not, which is kind of the point of the whole system: that like nobody's above the law, right?
Constitution Is Convenient 00:16:25
jordan holmes
But that's way wrong.
That's about as wrong as it could get.
dan friesen
But again, I think this highlights the reason that Alex will like tease around these premises, but won't give the conclusion.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because then he would need to call for Trump to be have to say it.
And I think that he's just not ready to do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is weird how acceptable it is to violate the Constitution.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I heard a bunch about it all of my life and how important it was.
And it is toilet paper.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
It seems like there's a couple things that really make some people mad when you don't let them be racist on social media.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then that's about it.
jordan holmes
That is about it.
dan friesen
Oh, guns, guns too.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can only enslave certain people now.
So that's a plus.
dan friesen
And you do have to pretend they committed a crime.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That is true.
dan friesen
That helps.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you need to make some drug illegal in order to get more slaves.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's America.
dan friesen
Ah, great.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Let's amend that shit.
So Alex gets into a little bit of a rant about how Trump's playing with fire.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's nuclear fire.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's the worst kind of fire.
dan friesen
They kill everybody.
alex jones
Trump was only in a few months.
And Seraph said, I know how they work.
They're setting him up.
They're giving him bad advice.
Watch, this will be what brings down his administration.
If he doesn't get it, get it fast.
And that was a theory to me then.
I knew they were trying it.
Now that is their nomenclature.
That is their play.
And if we don't yell and scream, they're going to send in ground troops, folks.
And when we lose a whole bunch of troops, you know how we are over here.
People are going to get pissed off and demand total regime change.
And then they're having discussions of hitting Iran with nuclear weapons.
And then in every study, that has a very good chance of dragging in Russia and China and North Korea.
Heaven help us, people.
Can you not feel the danger?
We are not in Kansas anymore.
Get rid of your normalcy bias.
We're in the fourth turning.
jordan holmes
But better than Harris.
alex jones
Doing stuff like this is like pouring gasoline all over your house, 50 gallons of it, pouring gasoline all over yourself, and then getting a packet of matches out and playing with them like you're about to strike it.
jordan holmes
Harris would have poured 51 gallons.
alex jones
Just a half a million away.
Like, ooh.
And then you go too close.
It's like having a monkey with a flamethrower running around a fireworks factory.
I told you this years ago, and it's been intense the last few months.
All these elites are running down to Chile and a bunch of other places.
They got armored fortresses up because that won't get hit by as much radiation.
They got bunkers up near the Arctic Circle.
They got, and it came out in the news today that a bunch of Trump administration people are buying bunkers for themselves.
I mean, this ain't a game, people, okay?
I don't just say stuff like this to make it sound scary.
I mean, every damn thing I'm saying, I know what I'm talking about.
And the loonies over in Israel, Netanyahu, and them, they just want their greater Israel.
They want their greater power, so they don't care.
All right, I'm sorry.
Back to Tim Dylan.
dan friesen
So at the end, there is a little bit of a reveal that this is he has paused a clip he's watching from a Tim Dylan podcast, comedian interviewing a couple journalists.
And that's like the source material that has launched him into this extended metaphor about fire blowing up your house.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's kind of silly.
You could get more, like, maybe a higher-grade primary source to work from than Tim Dylan's podcast.
jordan holmes
I mean, where, where?
Where?
Are there higher sources than Tim Dylan?
Name one.
Edward Murrow's dead.
dan friesen
Sure.
Ah, fuck.
I didn't think of that.
jordan holmes
It's him, Tim Dylan, and then who?
Cronkite?
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Big Jim Tucker's dead.
jordan holmes
Sure.
He's dead.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
He was the only one who could come close.
jordan holmes
William F. Buckley's dead.
dan friesen
That weird.
No, Daniel Estelin's alive.
He was the other Builder Bird guy.
jordan holmes
That's right.
That's right.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Apparently, Stefan Molyneux maybe has some news.
jordan holmes
Those are their choices.
dan friesen
Fucking hell.
So that clip, though, it introduces a thought experiment.
jordan holmes
How much should you spend on a bunker?
dan friesen
No, I think you could math that one out.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Infinite monkeys with infinite flamethrowers in infinite firework factories.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Would eventually one of them not set off a firework?
jordan holmes
That's a really good question.
I mean, ostensibly, infinity has to include possibilities that would only happen one out of, you know, however many times.
An infinite structure will create anything.
dan friesen
I saw Avengers.
jordan holmes
But is there a line between the possible and the impossible that's unbreakable?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Can I confess something?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't see Avengers.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
Wait, which Avengers would they say that in?
dan friesen
There was like timeline stuff in one of them.
I remember that scene of Ben Cumperbatch with the time stone.
jordan holmes
He's doing the time thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Jesus.
dan friesen
But I lied about having seen it.
jordan holmes
You'll be fine.
No one's going to be mad at you.
dan friesen
Shit.
I think that my question was annoying and doesn't deserve an answer.
But I did think back.
Didn't Alex say that the globalists were like training monkeys to drop off bombs or something like that?
Did I dream that?
jordan holmes
I don't remember talking about trained monkeys.
dan friesen
I think it happened.
jordan holmes
I feel like we've had plenty of different animals be trained in Alex's estimation to do some horrible shit.
I don't remember monkeys with bombs.
dan friesen
I feel like I heard it somewhere.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So we got, you know, obviously you're going to blow up your house.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Trump's playing with fire.
Nuclear bombs.
Tim Dylan's on it.
And thankfully, Tim Dylan's got this covered.
So Alex can take care of the important.
unidentified
Good.
Good.
dan friesen
There's bigger issues.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
There's about five more minutes of this on air, and then I'm going to get to the other news.
Okay.
And then I'm going to ask the question about Jared Kushner and all of this.
And is Jared Kushner the Antichrist?
And I'm not saying that's.
jordan holmes
Good question.
alex jones
And I'm not saying he is.
But I've seen some really interesting things about him that are confirmed.
Wait till he's.
jordan holmes
Horns?
alex jones
This is some wild stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Wild stuff.
jordan holmes
So Kushner is a good idea.
dan friesen
By wild, he means stupid.
jordan holmes
Kushner is the Antichrist.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a TikTok video that was going around that was talking about that.
And so Alex is devoting some coverage to it, hoping to suck some of the attention away from it towards his store.
jordan holmes
If you had a list of everyone named the Antichrist in my lifetime, it would be nearly identical to a list of all presidents and senators over the past 35 years.
dan friesen
A lot of artists, too, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, definitely.
dan friesen
I think you're not doing it right if someone hasn't called you the Antichrist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
I mean, you could also not be doing it right if somebody calls you the Antichrist.
They're not the same.
But if you're doing it right, you probably will go called the Antichrist, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think you've called Alex it, maybe, once or twice.
Well, no, he's just possessed by a demon of something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think I wouldn't give him the, I wouldn't give him the laurels of Antichrist.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I've never called anybody in all.
And like, listen, you got to reach a lot of levels to become the Antichrist.
dan friesen
Do you see the Antichrist as an administrative role or more a ceremonial thing?
Like, do you think it's the king or the prime minister?
jordan holmes
No, it's the king.
He's got fucking fire in his eyes and shit.
He's telling people what to do all over the place.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's not doing paperwork.
jordan holmes
No, I agree.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back from break, and he's going to get to that Antichrist stuff later.
Got to tease that out.
jordan holmes
Well, it's dumb.
dan friesen
Instead, he decides to get back into Iran, and he reads a very insane thing that Trump posted online.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Let me just read it for radio listeners.
Iran is no longer the bully of the Middle East.
They are instead the loser of the Middle East and will be for many decades until they surrender or more likely completely collapse.
Today, Iran will be hit very hard under serious consideration or complete destruction.
That's complete destruction.
jordan holmes
That's Hitler.
unidentified
That's him.
jordan holmes
That's Hitler.
alex jones
Under serious consideration for complete destruction and certain death.
He didn't say the regime.
He said Iran.
That doesn't sound too nice.
Under serious consideration for complete destruction and certain death because of Iran's bad behavior in areas and groups of people that were not considered to be targeted up until now, up to this moment in time.
Thank you for your attention in this manner.
EJT.
So, yeah, I didn't vote for that.
And I am very concerned.
Because instead of listening to his advisors that are experts and who are patriots, like Eric Prince, not a dove, not a liberal.
dan friesen
Alex can try and reassure himself all he wants, but he did vote for this.
In his head around the 2016 or 2024 elections, he might not have thought specifically that Trump would attack Iran if he got into office, but he definitely voted for Trump because he was a lunatic who would exert power in ways that other politicians wouldn't dare.
The entire allure of Trump was supposed to be like him or hate him.
You got to admit he's president.
He's not taking orders from anybody.
And the proof of it is all this insane shit that he does and says.
When they all got behind Trump, part of it was motivated by the chaos that he embodied.
And that's what they're getting.
Also, you can hear the way that Alex is putting on a mocking tone when he's reading Trump's post, particularly in the thank you for your attention to this matter part.
That tells you a lot.
This is no different than anything else Trump posts online all the time.
And that's not the tone that Alex usually strikes with this.
He seems angry at Trump.
Like, he seems fed up.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if I was charged with defending that that the president said, I would, I don't know, probably rip my hair out, get rid of all of my clothes and move to the top of a mountain.
dan friesen
Right, but it's not even defend.
It's respond in any way other than what the fuck is this person doing anywhere near power.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He's talking about another country and he's saying complete destruction, death.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, it's not okay.
jordan holmes
It is amazing because if there was anything that it's hard not to conclude, it's that most people will just do whatever authority tells them to do.
The vast majority of people, including those with any amount of power, like surrounding Trump are all these people who could have and have every reason to under the Constitution, just stop this shit.
Just like literally just stop it.
dan friesen
What does the sergeant-at-arms do?
I mean, is that somebody who you could call him?
jordan holmes
Seriously, there could just be some group of assholes who work there.
Like, this is nuts.
He's doing everybody's the Constitution or some shit.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
It sounds right.
jordan holmes
Some shit like that.
dan friesen
Some shit.
jordan holmes
Some shit.
There's got to be a reason somewhere because I feel like I've read about all of them.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's been a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
So look, Trump, he could walk away.
He could just say, hey, I won, and everybody would be cool.
jordan holmes
Usually there's only one way to get rid of kings and dictators.
dan friesen
You killed the Ayatollah.
You blew up a bunch of shit.
You killed a ton of people.
But hey, just declare victory and you can walk away.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
But Trump can't do that because he's a fucking degenerate gambler.
alex jones
And Trump can still declare victory.
Like he did blow up their nuclear sites nine months ago and pull back.
And then he can always go get them again if he wants to.
But this is stupid.
And I know the majority of his advisors are telling him, stop.
But he has that degenerate gambler thing going on.
It's 3 a.m.
He's been winning, winning, winning at the tables.
And so he's sitting there at the casino at 3 a.m.
Gambling with our future and our lives.
And the deep state loves it.
If he's successful, they love it.
If he's not, it hurts Trump and America.
They love it.
They don't lose.
Unless there's a nuclear war comes out of this.
So here's President Trump talking about, well, Iran's evil, so they deserve this.
Where have we heard that before?
But even if you say they're evil, which I agree their leadership is, you're probably not going to be successful getting rid of them with the whack-a-mole game.
Which again, I predicted.
Not you.
unidentified
Not you.
alex jones
Watch this and another one.
Keep him coming.
unidentified
He's too thundest as Trumans.
donald j trump
And we will have gotten rid of a major, major cancer.
On the face of the earth, we will have taken out of cancer.
You know, don't forget October 7th.
Don't forget all of the things that have happened over the years, all caused by these people.
So what we're doing is a great thing not only for our country and not only for Israel, not only for the Middle East, but for the world.
jordan holmes
Not you.
alex jones
Watch this and another one.
Keep him coming.
unidentified
He's too thundest as Trumans.
dan friesen
Really, just take a second to let that soak in.
Alex is so incompetent and cares so little about doing his job that when he's covering his chosen God King starting a war with Iran, he can't just play a clip of Trump talking about that decision.
The only media Alex even takes in is from social media.
So the version of Trump's comments, they come pre-packaged with a fun joke about Trump killing Iranian leaders like it's whack-a-mole, the carnival sounds and everything.
Alex just took that video from like a TikTok that he came across.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
A dumb meme that makes light of the situation is not the tone Alex is trying to convey here.
And I don't think he realizes how insane this show feels.
There's no consistent messaging and everything is disjointed because he's trying to make his content mirror the social media landscape that he's a captive to.
Imagine him trying to make a video about how Bush did 9-11, but he's running a video of the towers falling with Yakety Sachs playing.
That's kind of how this feels.
jordan holmes
ridiculous yeah it makes me it's it takes surreality to the point of like constant questioning Like it is, it is a regular occurrence for me to just be like, maybe none of this is happening.
Maybe I'm literally crazy.
Because that would make more sense to me.
Because it's wild to just walk outside.
I was walking on the street today.
It's cold and everybody's just, everything's fine.
Everything's fine.
And then all of a sudden it's like, I'm here and it's like, oh, no.
But that's real.
It's real.
dan friesen
Yeah, the sensation you're describing is exactly what I felt when probes started rapping.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I believe you.
It's boob-ba-boop-boom.
jordan holmes
This cannot be real.
dan friesen
Yeah, everybody's real.
jordan holmes
This can't be real.
dan friesen
Until a minute ago.
jordan holmes
Everything that I have been expecting to be real suddenly feels very transient.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I don't think Alex is in control of the tone.
So like, I don't think that he's doing this on purpose.
unidentified
Right.
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jordan holmes
It's just the only clip he has.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's the product of not wanting to try and not giving a shit.
jordan holmes
Trying is hard and giving a shit is a bad idea, especially when you're this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just yell a bit.
So there are some positives.
jordan holmes
About what?
dan friesen
Well, we're not getting to the Antichrist stuff yet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But like Trump, there's some, you know, silver linings in terms of attacking Iran.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And that's that he didn't ask.
alex jones
Let's switch gears into JD Vance.
So JD Vance was just interviewed by Megan Kelly.
And she talks about, so the old system is dead.
And what is that?
That's the EU with communist China.
What's left of the British Empire?
You know, the U.S. globalist system.
That means the carbon taxes.
That means the UN being in charge, World Economic Forum calling the shots, BlackRock being in total control, the whole Bill Gates, Rothschild, Rockefeller, international neoliberal order that they had established, that they admit is totally in trouble.
Everybody's turning against him regardless of Trump.
And Trump in policy has been totally ignoring them, doing whatever he wants, effectively getting out of the UN, getting out of the World Health Organization, effectively getting out of the World Trade Organization, making all our own decisions.
That's beautiful.
Now, you can say not going to the UN to get authorization to attack Iran.
I don't like the attack on Iran, but at one level, I like not getting anybody's permission because we as a sovereign nation can do what we believe is right.
And then history will judge us.
And we have to have a nuclear war.
We all die.
That's a big mistake we made.
dan friesen
This is basically Alex saying that he voted for Trump to attack Iran, just using different words.
Alex likes that Trump acts with no concern for the needs or wants of people in other countries because the U.S. has the sovereignty to do whatever it wants.
If we end up killing all the humans on earth in a nuclear war, then the non-existent future history books can certainly criticize us for it.
If that's the model of what you want in a leader, then it's really only a matter of time until one of them will kill everyone.
Because the dirty little secret is that a leader who views the people in the rest of the world with that much disdain really doesn't like average Americans all that much either.
If you empower a single person to make decisions based on what they interpret is the best thing for the country, then they will inevitably start to see what's best for them personally as what's best for the country.
jordan holmes
It's crazy how that works.
dan friesen
The reason we're supposed to have checks and balances between the branches of government is that our country is kind of founded on the idea that as much as we all like to think we wouldn't be corrupted by absolute power, we all kind of know we would be.
No person can have that kind of power because when they do, it's inevitable that they'll do what Trump is doing.
And that's what Alex voted for.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He voted for it.
He tried to overturn an election to support it.
He made his spiritual and religious identity entwined with it.
And he's worked every day to empower a single person, being able to make insane and undemocratic decisions because he believed that those decisions would always play in his advantage.
But that turned out to be wrong.
And zooming out a little bit, Alex views people in other countries as if they aren't real.
If Trump decides he wants to attack Iran and that leads to a nuclear war that kills everyone in Europe, then the EU countries really just need to accept that he had the right to make that decision.
And in hindsight, if they were alive, they could say it was a mistake, but they're dead.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Funny how that works.
dan friesen
Alex will constantly talk about the globalist mindset is all about dehumanization.
But if he views the non-American world as this disposable and this captive to American decisions, it's hard to take those complaints about the globalists seriously.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because these aren't people to him either.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's interesting to me that I feel as though the people of the United States and the people of Iran would get along just fine if they didn't have the government of the people of the United States and the people of Iran.
dan friesen
Yep.
I think a lot of maybe the whole world would work a lot better.
Yeah, I think getting away a lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Leaders have some problems.
jordan holmes
Seems like they go out of their way to cause problems.
dan friesen
Yeah.
At least Trump is like, maybe he can fix it.
He can turn around.
We're not at mortar yet.
jordan holmes
I feel as though maybe there's no reason for him to turn around because no one has given him any consequences for not turning around.
And Alex himself plans on giving him fewer consequences than ever before should he continue.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
So I would guess he's going to keep going full force ahead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, there's a coming day that won't be too long from now that Alex will be entirely financially dependent on Big Lee, a company named after a Trump catchphrase.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So tough to jump ship now.
dan friesen
Yeah, looks kind of dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we now enter the period of the show where Alex is defending JD Vance using the term New World Order.
And he's like, hey, man, all systems that are new are orders that are new.
jordan holmes
We all, no one needs this explanation.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
That's exactly.
alex jones
When you hear the old international order is dead from them, their new world order is dead.
You see Putin saying, we now have to work with other nations to build a new world order.
How about the new international order?
But the public, when the globalists would talk about their plan, they were saying we control the world.
We're establishing a planetary government, our new world order.
So you call a new order.
jordan holmes
How can you use more words?
alex jones
You say America fighting off the British, creating the American system was a new world order.
The British wrote, if this continues, our empire will fall.
And it did.
It took 100 and some years.
But that's the point is a new boss, a new system.
And there's a lot of the old same globalist players in there trying to salvage this and repackage the old New World Order as the new New World Order.
And there's a big battle inside the Trump administration on how we form this new system because a new system is being formed.
And I don't just expose the globalist system and other systems, the communist systems.
I promote good ones and try to get the public to promote good systems.
Team America, Team Humanity.
A system pro-God, pro-family, pro-natalist, pro-expansion.
dan friesen
This is just nothing.
So George H.W. Bush used the term New World Order in those speeches because his Gulf War was where the globalists tried to launch their system for this world government.
That's cool, except that Alex's ideology doesn't start in 1988.
Jimmy Carter was president before Reagan, and he was a product of Zbigniew Brzezinski.
And even before that, Nelson Rockefeller was Ford's vice president.
The UN coming into existence after World War II is just a rehash of what they tried to do with the League of Nations after World War I.
So by the time Bush Sr. got around, this year was almost 100 years old.
This isn't new.
There's nothing, there's no new New World Order, an old New World Order, and new old world order.
But it's funny to watch Alex try and offload his baggage that he's saddled himself with that's no longer convenient.
It's pretty remarkable how he's arguing with himself from the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's for something that for the rest of us could be summed up with one of them is lowercase and the other one is capital letters is the difference between the new world order and the new world order.
It's very simple.
We all understand the difference between a proper noun and a descriptor.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not complicated.
dan friesen
And if it's white and black, it's Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If it's red and black, it's the Wolfpack.
jordan holmes
I forgot about the red and black.
dan friesen
Too sweet.
jordan holmes
Oh, they can't.
See, that's the problem with New World Orders.
They always fall apart.
dan friesen
Yeah, they do.
Well, yeah.
They split up into, you know, I mean, it's trying to control the dialectic by.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
You know, you play both sides.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
The Hogan and the Nash.
jordan holmes
Looking back, it appears that Hogan and Nash both took us all for a ride.
dan friesen
It was an allegory for the Hegelian dialectic.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex has now become a person who is saying the things that the evil people used to say.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
That system is collapsing.
We now are debating what the new New World Order will be.
And again, the name just deals with the international and national system.
dan friesen
This clip is particularly offensive to me because if you've listened to any amount of Infowars from the past, you'll know that this is a direct betrayal of the ideas that Alex has preached for years.
The entire idea of being above the left-right paradigm is rooted in Alex's argument that the globalists were offering two different new world orders to you, one on the right and one on the left, and that we all had to wake up to how we were being presented with a false choice.
They want us debating about what the new world order will be, so we're distracted from the truth that we don't need a new world order.
The people arguing about what the features of the new world order will be are specifically trying to keep you from realizing that they both lead to the same place, and the only way to be free is to reject all of it.
For classic Alex, the split was between the neocons on the right and the Soros-type folks on the left.
They had different branding, but ultimately they both led to the same tyrannical outcome.
The two sides present you with a set of incomplete choices to psychologically manipulate you into not realizing that there are so many more options.
But now here we are in the present, and Alex is advocating for one of the sides that's debating what the inevitable new world order is going to look like.
At a time when Alex is having to deal with his anointed leader starting a war with Iran, the very thing he insisted the globalists were planning to do if they won, he should be more aware of how transparent this game is and how he's tripping over his own feet trying to walk.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If people are buying bunkers, right, then presumably the new world order is really just going to be like distributing resources between small groups of people trapped underground.
Because otherwise, why would people be buying all these bunkers?
People in the administration.
You know what I'm saying?
If people close to the new world order or the new world, the new world orderers, like JD Vance and Trump, are buying Fallout shelters, then I think we have to conclude that the newest world order will be a very small one.
dan friesen
We're going to have to say Hollywood for the globalists and Wolfpack for Trump.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because the Wolfpack came later.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So chronologically, even though I think the Wolfpack was cooler, most of his poking sucks.
jordan holmes
It's not hard to come to that conclusion.
dan friesen
But yeah, I think we have to do that because I'm not saying new world order and old new world order.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a problem.
dan friesen
That's fucking annoying.
jordan holmes
That is very annoying.
dan friesen
This sucks.
jordan holmes
How about we go with Joy Division and then the New Order?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
Operation Ivy.
Trump is ransom.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
All right.
So Alex, he's talking about various New Worlds Order from past.
I don't know how to pluralize that.
jordan holmes
Why not?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And again, the name just deals with the international and national system.
Like when the Roman Empire fell in 410, a new world order formed, which was decentralized, little nation states, the destruction of knowledge, the destruction of mobility, and a thousand-year dark age.
jordan holmes
Not really.
alex jones
That was the new world order with the fall of the Roman Empire.
And the total peak of the Dark Ages with the fall of Constantinople.
Almost a thousand years out of that.
It's just amazing.
So what it means is spiritually for the world, the birth of Christ, the death of Christ, was a new world order spiritually.
You understand?
Columbus discovering America, or at least discovering it to commercialize it, Lee Farricks and others.
That was a new world order for North America.
A revolution.
The globalist revolution, they called their new world order.
I know I've explained this 15 times.
I know most of you understood the first time or before, but I'm trying to go to the sheep that aren't as smart, you know, and I'm trying to tell you.
I'm going to get them to understand what I'm saying so they can grasp this.
dan friesen
This is a real bummer because what Alex is trying to say is that the term new world order doesn't really mean anything and everyone needs to stop being mean to JD Vance.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's basically the point.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's all a fun game, but the elephant in the room is that Alex believes that the same folks who were responsible for the fall of Rome were behind getting George H.W. Bush into office so he could bring about a new world order.
It's not just a descriptive term in Infowar's world, and the frustration that Alex is expressing here is directed at people in his audience who took what he said in the past seriously.
He's mad that they won't accept that it's all a game.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is, it is interesting, the subtext being, shouldn't you guys be smarter than this by now?
Right?
unidentified
Wink.
jordan holmes
Right?
It is something along the lines of like, you have to know by now I'm full of shit.
You have to.
All of this, right?
So how could I possibly need to explain this?
How could you possibly still believe what I said before?
dan friesen
Yeah, the frustration that he's expressing at people who take like the New World Order shit from the past seriously feels like the pre-taped call-in show sketch from Mr. Show.
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unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like it's a guy getting frustrated at something that he's doing to himself in the past.
He had a bad idea and it is just spiraled.
jordan holmes
The only person at fault for all of this is you.
And somehow you're mad at everybody but that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I guess here's a trivia question.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Can you be New World Order and America First?
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Well, I think you have to be because the old world order is not America First.
So all America First people are actually in the New World Order.
dan friesen
You know who the America First people hate?
The LWO, the Luchador World Order.
They've really, oh, God.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
So there's a New World Order where we're trying to have an America first and bring jobs back and not be sold out to the globalist.
That's everything I always wanted.
That's a new world order that we're promoting.
Now, with Trump going sideways with this Iran stuff and things, there's a big battle about do we just give the old New World Order a new paint job and a facelift?
Is that what's really happening?
Well, until recently, no, it was real change.
I mean, just killing the carbon taxes alone.
I just, it's, it's so good.
dan friesen
So I think Duncan Trussell pointed out on our last episode that the term Orwellian gets thrown around too much.
So I'm going to join in on that and say America First New World Order is Orwellian.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, Trump didn't kill any carbon tax.
In August 2025, his administration released a memo that stated its opposition to a framework that was meant to incentivize shipping companies to shift to less polluting fuels called the net zero framework.
Trump's administration succeeded in halting this plan from being implemented, but it still will be eventually, whether it's because of climate activism or modernization.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
Alex should ask some questions about the officials who released this memo, though, because the two top ones names right up there were Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who's a giant neocon and thrilled with Trump's current militarism, and Secretary of the Treasury Howard Luttnick, who has deep connections to Epstein and who Alex has recently had to use as a scapegoat to explain why the Supreme Court ruled Trump's tariffs to be unconstitutional.
He claims that the tariffs themselves were totally fine.
Trump's cool, but Howard Luttnick intentionally wrote the executive order wrong to fuck Trump over later.
That's his take on it.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Also, just a quick fun reminder, one of the other people who signed on to this was our Secretary of Transportation, who was a cast member on Real World Boston in the late 90s.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
There aren't good guys doing the stuff that Alex likes in the Trump administration and bad guys doing all the globalist stuff.
It's the same people.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're all the same.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like the idea of a resistance, right?
But only one that does like paper cut level resistance.
You know, like, check this out.
I'm going to put a typo in this order for the tariffs and then it'll be unconstitutional.
But that's it, right?
Like, that's not really defiance.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's like, that's like pranks.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's also intensely dumb because Howard Lutnick is in favor of that not being unconstitutional.
jordan holmes
Well, then it's a real big prank on everybody.
dan friesen
Mostly on Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well.
dan friesen
But it weirdly.
jordan holmes
Alex is a prank on all of us.
dan friesen
It's not even a prank on Alex, though, because it kind of works in his advantage.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It gives him a fun storyline that keeps Trump on the fence.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is wild how far you can truly go in service of lying to yourself.
It is just astonishing.
dan friesen
It's true.
So the truth, though, is, and Alex can't help but speak it, is that Trump is making evil decisions.
alex jones
When they say they wanted a new world order, they mean kill the old system that had some checks and balances and was at least on the surface pro-human and had a social contract.
The attempt at eugenics and dumbing down and destroying civilization and making austerity be baked into what the government's based on and depopulation, that system's going out.
And we're attempting to bring in a new system that's about national sovereignty, freedom, and justice.
jordan holmes
America first world.
alex jones
That's the promise of Trump.
And that's why it was so special.
And that's why I fought so hard for him.
And we've got so much done.
And that's why it's so sad to see him increasingly now siding with the bad guys in just the last three months or so.
It's moving very, very quickly.
And if he continues on this trajectory, if he keeps making these evil decisions, what are we supposed to do?
I mean, oppose it, say he's bad, he's been compromised.
You don't go not vote for the local congressman that's voting against stuff Trump's wanting.
That's why Trump's more worried about good Republicans that don't go along with him.
Because that's the real power there.
And if the Republican Congress really did its job, they would be more popular than ever.
More of them would be elected.
And then it wouldn't matter what Trump did because the power of the people through Congress would be manifest.
And that's what I want.
Don't go vote Democrat because you're mad at what Trump's doing.
Don't take your ball and go home.
Don't say you're going to just be independent now.
That's exactly what they want.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
And I'm glad James Woods clarified all that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was helpful that he did that.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So if I'm following Alex's train of thought, the reason that Trump called Marjorie Taylor Greene a traitor and drove her out of Congress is because he's afraid of good people being in Congress who won't just go along with whatever he wants, like covering up Epstein.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
What Alex really wants is a strong GOP majority in Congress so it can serve as a check against the executive power that Trump is abusing.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
Thankfully, for you and the audience, I've listened to a lot of InfoWars.
So I know about a little game called Problem Reaction Solution.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's supposed to be how the globalists trick you into acting against your own interests.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
Tell me more about it.
dan friesen
So they cause a problem, which provokes a reaction in the public to demand a solution.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
From the start, the globalists' plan was to put that solution into place, but they wouldn't have been able to in normal circumstances.
So they had to cause that problem to trick you into thinking the solution was your idea.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
If you analyze Alex's rhetoric through this lens, it kind of becomes clear what his point is.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
The problem is that Trump is an unchecked dictator who's starting on constitutional wars.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is causing the reaction of the public demanding something check that power.
The solution, very conveniently, is voting Republican in the 2026 midterms, because if there's more good Republicans in Congress, they'll fix the whole Trump dictator thing.
I'm not saying that Trump attacked Iran in order to get his base to turn on him in a brilliant chess move that will get him to vote GOP in the midterms.
It's just meant to illustrate how Alex in the past would probably call Alex in the present a globalist Judas goat trying to co-opt the right wing to keep them asleep and not recognize the left-right paradigm that's right in front of their face.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, to be clear, this whole what I really want is the people's will to be expressed through Congress Act is an attempt to retreat back to the days of pretending that he wants things like states' rights.
He and his white identity movement overplayed their hand with Trump, and he's now been shown to basically just be the same neocon shit from the New World Order days with a fresh coat of paint.
So Alex wants to try and reintroduce some political correctness.
It's too late.
He's already shown his whole ass.
So it's very important that people don't let him or people like him make that kind of retreat.
You said what you want.
You acted on it.
That's you now.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The gall, the gall to say that's what they want you to do is not vote.
They want us to not vote Republican.
Now, admittedly, I have laid out all of the reasons that you shouldn't, personally, myself, about this guy.
But they want me to do that to try and trick you into thinking that you would vote Democrat.
But I'm also here to tell you that you're actually going to vote GOP because you are good Republicans and good Republicans rubber stamp Trump.
Trump, who has done all of the evil things that we need good Republicans to stop him from doing, and if we get loyal ones in there, we'll do what he's...
dan friesen
It doesn't really work, but it does if you just aren't paying attention, because it's enough kind of misdirection and hand stuff that you start to be like, oh yeah, I do.
I do need to hold strong and vote for these local candidates in these down ballot elections.
jordan holmes
Just the gall of these people.
unidentified
Amazing.
dan friesen
Electoralism is important.
jordan holmes
You're Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So the elites.
jordan holmes
Duncan Trussell didn't have you on his show because you're the guy who's like, you still need to vote GOP in the midterms.
They want us divided.
Fuck off.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't kid, would you like to sign my petition?
jordan holmes
Right bullshit.
dan friesen
So the elites.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They don't want you involved.
They don't want you going out there knocking on doors and trying to help those kindly GOP people who will hold Trump accountable into office.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
You know, this whole thing where you criticize Trump, you're a traitor.
Or if you don't just attack Trump all day, you're an agent.
It's pure crap, folks.
The political class does not want you engaged.
You're all lobbyists, too.
You got to go talk to Congress people.
You've got to go to town halls.
You've got to donate money to political campaigns.
You've got to educate your family.
jordan holmes
Donate to these people.
alex jones
You've got to do all those things and support the talk show host and journalist to get the truth out.
This is a war.
Freedom isn't free.
The Muslims, 90 plus percent of them give to major political campaigns.
The average good old boy, maybe 5% give to campaigns.
The lowest voting rate is farmers and ranchers and hunters.
You know why?
They live in town and work at the refinery, and the wife's got a job at the school.
jordan holmes
The farmers work at refineries.
alex jones
Got some horses, and hell, they want to go ride jet skis and go hunting.
And you know what?
America's going to be just fine, you know, because you're out there on the 40 acres and you got the American flag and you're good people and you go to church and yeah, you're not, you know, America's never going to, you know, and I love you.
I know who you are.
It's where I come from.
While you sit out there and think everything's okay, everything's burning down.
It ain't okay, brother.
Hey, brother.
dan friesen
Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
Come on, people, brother.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So, based on what Alex just said in the previous clip, the elites and the political class who don't want you politically involved in knocking on doors and getting good people elected, that's Trump.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's the one who doesn't want good people in Congress because they'll check his executive.
jordan holmes
You're the one who said that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
He's the one who said that.
unidentified
Ass.
jordan holmes
Logically.
dan friesen
Also, all of those numbers Alex just cited are made up.
And his cartoonish view of people who live in rural areas should probably offend them.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He thinks they're a bunch of idiots who won't get politically involved because they're fine with drinking a little moonshine at the fishing hole.
Incidentally, Trump's big election-rigging legislation, the Salvage American Voter Eligibility Act, would wildly disproportionately impact rural voters.
In areas where there's less population density, there are fewer polling places.
So people have to drive longer distances to vote.
An elegant solution to this is voting by mail.
But the SAVE Act requires people to show an ID to do that.
The nearest polling place to your rural home might be as far as the nearest post office or wherever you could go to show your ID to vote by mail.
So that bill adds a major hurdle for the good old hunters and farmers that Alex is pretending to care so much about.
Also, because I've listened to way too much of this fucking show, I know that that stat that he's talking about with hunters is from the mid-2000s interviewing Ted Nugent.
Ted Nugent was a...
jordan holmes
No, come on.
dan friesen
He ran a thing trying to get that episode.
unidentified
Yeah.
More people.
jordan holmes
I remember it now.
dan friesen
He's just repeating that stat from Ted Nugent.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Ted Nugent.
How is he still showing up?
dan friesen
And not being cited.
alex jones
God damn it.
dan friesen
Man.
So I think it's mean.
I think what Alex is doing is mean.
That impression sucks.
jordan holmes
The idea of asking human beings to give money to any politician in this year boggles my mind.
Boggles my mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I watched some of the State of the Union address, and that was all I could do because they were there.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's I don't know.
I don't know what else you do if you engage with politics than ask for donations.
It's kind of par for the course.
I guess that's your confusion.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
It's insulting.
It's genuinely insulting.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think it's also like, I don't, look, I don't want to be sitting here standing up for the rural American or whatever from my apartment in Chicago.
But I think that his view is really shitty.
And I also think that they did everything he wanted them to do.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
They turned out to the election, overwhelmingly supported Trump.
Why is he doing this?
Like, why are you so why are you being mean to the rural folks?
jordan holmes
Because he's got to lash out at somebody.
And again, it's everybody else's fault but his own.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Once he's gotten rid of yelling about Harris and yada yada, sooner or later it's gonna come back to the people who love him the most.
dan friesen
Yep, and that's exactly what this escalates.
jordan holmes
There we go.
alex jones
Those people are the real problem because there's more of you than there are the scumbags, but you won't come out of your shell.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Because, well, we're gonna watch the game tonight in real stakes.
I mean, we work hard.
We go to church.
I mean, come on.
Yeah, dog it, Alex.
We gotta have a little fun around here.
There's a rodeo tomorrow.
jordan holmes
That is a reasonable expectation.
alex jones
Town hall, or I can't donate money to that political thing.
I can't get registered to vote.
I mean, you know, I served in the army five years.
I'm done with this.
I deserve a little time out here in the country.
I got neighbors coming over.
I got to clean the swimming pool.
And because you won't get engaged, we're in deep shit.
Then you got a lot of black pill people that just everybody's an agent and everybody's screwed and nobody's real but them and we're all and they don't really know anything politically.
They fight a bitch all day.
Black Pill Prosperity Gospel 00:02:34
alex jones
And go, look, JD Vance said, New World Order.
He admits it's a global government.
No, he just said the U.S. running its own affairs, bringing jobs back, sovereignty.
But it's a cheap trick to say, look, JD Vance is New World Order now.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
The Black Pill people that he's talking about are Nick Fuentes.
Like, he hangs out with him and has him on the show and calls him a genius and says he can see the future.
Like, stop fucking telling us that you're mad at this guy that you love.
jordan holmes
And they're him in the past.
He's using the example of him talking about HW.
dan friesen
And I've got to say, I fucking hate that mentality that Alex is bringing to the rural people.
Somehow, Trump starting a war with Iran is the people in rural areas' fault because they didn't vote enough and they want to enjoy their life.
jordan holmes
Better believe it.
dan friesen
This is abusive, even by Infowar standards, where Alex has backed himself into a corner and he's hoping to distract from that by lashing at the only segment of his audience that he thinks will never leave or he knows has already left because a lot of them were really old and they're probably dead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I get that Alex likes to think of himself as a downhome country boy.
So all this stuff can come off like him criticizing his own community.
But he's been a multi-millionaire for at least a decade and he hasn't faced any of the challenges that people living in rural communities deal with for probably his whole life.
His dad was a successful dentist and then they lived next to a golf course in the affluent Dallas suburb Rockwall and then he moved to the semi-urban liberal hellhole of Austin and has lived there ever since.
Like this is bullshit doing this voice and trying to shit on rural people.
It's exactly what you said.
It's just kicking the people that you think it's safe to kick.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Garbage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man, that is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like, it's that prosperity gospel shit, right?
The hook, the hook you get, give us money, then you'll get stuff, right?
When you don't get stuff, then it gets turned on you.
Well, you didn't give us enough money.
It is your fault you didn't get stuff.
dan friesen
You didn't want it enough.
jordan holmes
It is, we've got you coming and going.
And once you've agreed to one premise, you don't realize you've already agreed to the other premise.
And so you're fucked.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
At very least, you're setting yourself up to not make the right choice the second time around.
And then you're definitely.
jordan holmes
And then you're definitely fucked.
Antichrist Prophecy Explained 00:15:30
dan friesen
So I think that Alex, like, I don't know.
I don't want to get on a high horse and grandstand about the country or whatever.
Like, I grew up in central Missouri, but I grew up in Columbia.
You know, like, it's a college town.
It's not.
jordan holmes
I grew up in rural America.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's fine.
dan friesen
I had some contact with people who were, you know, like straight up out in the country.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not trying to pretend that I have access to something.
I'm just saying that what he's doing sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's rude.
And if I were a farmer, I would fuck him up.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, even then, even then, maybe like 40 years ago, we could have some sort of thing.
They get the internet now.
They're just like everybody else.
There's no difference between any of us.
We're all internet people now.
They don't talk any different from anybody on TikTok because they're all on the internet.
dan friesen
Well, the imaginary ones in Alex's head do.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
From like 40, 100 years ago, whenever that's maybe what people sounded like on the cat skills stages.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Like Davatell's impression of so thankfully we can cut through some of this shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The New World Order, Iran, all this horrible, horrible stuff.
Because we need to talk about the Antichrist.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And is Jared Kushner?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Is he the Antichrist?
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
Jared Kushner is up to some very interesting behavior.
And he's been involved running around with these different groups that are trying to move to get the dome of the rock there in Jerusalem.
Turned into the third temple, which the Muslims would go to war over.
And it's funny, some of the other things he's up to.
Like paying twice what it was worth to get that 666 building in New York.
People are saying he's the Antichrist.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I'm not saying he's the Antichrist.
But if you're one of the Antichrist top demons, though, you start building the nest for daddy to land.
unidentified
I'm sorry?
alex jones
He's definitely getting ready for some evil stuff down the road.
Not now.
jordan holmes
Is that?
alex jones
Not in the future.
But he's going to spread those black wings.
dan friesen
I like that Alex is saying that Jared Kushner is preparing the nest for daddy because his stepdad is Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then his literal dad is a guy who Trump pardoned for felonies.
Yeah.
So how are you going to condemn him as the top demon realistically here?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's silly.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know how you can be, you know.
You remember in the Bone Temple?
unidentified
I do.
jordan holmes
I remember you remember the Bone Temple when we were watching the Bone Temple.
There's that moment where you saw through the eyes of an infected and they saw a baby and the baby was like, ah, you know, like their psychosis kept them from seeing what was really there.
And there has to be some associated thing to this because everyone around them is comically evil.
They are captain planet villains.
We are talking about personified rat men walking around being like, I'm going to pollute things.
That's the level of crazy evil we're dealing with.
And Alex is still like, maybe it's Kushner.
You know what?
Maybe it's that little kid.
dan friesen
You know what?
That guy is very publicly Jewish.
And my anti-Semitic friends are pointing a lot of fingers at him.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So let's jump on that track.
jordan holmes
It's weird how that works, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, you know, you scapegoat.
jordan holmes
So in the book of Revelations, all right, which is, as far as I understand it, our only knowledge about the literal Antichrist or the prophesied Antichrist.
I don't recall a bunch of demons getting the nest ready.
You know what I mean?
There wasn't any need to really get, like, I guess the nest is ready on account of it being the earth.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
No, it was in the so Revelation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Chapter 38.
jordan holmes
Chapter 38.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Just childhood's end.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So those demons were preparing the earth for, you know, like.
jordan holmes
That makes a lot more sense than the Bible.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, childhood's end is biblical in the sense that it's words.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I like that as just a non-segmenter.
Childhood's end's biblical.
dan friesen
We all know it.
jordan holmes
We all know that.
dan friesen
It's been proven all over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Cats are psychic.
They know when you're high.
And Childhood's End is biblical.
Arthur C. Clarke is.
So Alex comes back from break.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And it turns out he's been meaning to talk about Jared Kushner being the Antichrist for about eight years now.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Oh, my God.
alex jones
I've thought about fucking hell.
I have thought for eight, nine years about saying what I'm about to say here today on air.
And I didn't do it previously just because I don't actually get into the weird esoteric stuff, the type of stuff people love.
So many times when other people cover something, then I kind of get the blame for covering it.
And it's not like I don't mind that.
It's just that I like to stick with what we've got.
Like we've got Jeffrey Epstein, a whole bunch of emails with the CIA, with Mossad, running ISIS, running Al-Qaeda, you know, getting him money, getting him weapons to destabilize countries.
And of course, as the top Primary Commission member, he would be doing things like that.
And there's new emails that they've dug out that are just incredible.
That's meat and potatoes.
But when you start getting into is Jared Kushner the devil or is he the Antichrist?
That's quite a headline.
I mean, that'll be viral right there.
But I don't just do that because it's viral.
I could do this stuff all day.
The whole series.
Is the Pope the Antichrist?
Is Trump the Antichrist?
Is this person the Antichrist?
dan friesen
I'm not doing it to go viral.
I'm doing it because I'm jealous of a TikTok that I saw that went viral and I'm trying to steal some of that.
You understand?
There's a difference.
jordan holmes
See, in one, if I put enough words in between my desire and the outcome, maybe you won't realize that it's exactly like the other one.
I just put the desire and outcome really close.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, first of all, that shit that you were saying is not meat and potatoes, and the emails that Alex has for this Epstein story don't back up his claims.
Wow.
Second, who is that disclaimer for?
Anyone who listens to his show even a couple times or has heard him guest on other cool people's podcasts knows that Alex gets very into esoteric bullshit.
If you like Alex, then you like that because he's been very clear that he thinks his enemies are controlled by invisible demons and that God tells him the future.
When Alex talks like that, doing the I don't usually go in for this kind of crazy stuff act, it really just feels like him trying to convince himself that he's usually really serious.
So he's earned the right to cover this esoteric story as a treat.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I can have a little sweet because I had my salad.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To bring up, because it's on the mind, you're never going to get satisfaction out of these psychos.
You know, like the guy who, the serial killer in the book that I was referencing, like they asked him, oh, why did you kill this guy?
And he was like, oh, that guy had money in his pocket, so I wanted it.
And it's like, they wanted something bigger.
They wanted him to be evil.
They wanted something out of him that's not just, I thought, and then I did.
And there was no questioning in between, you know?
And it's just like I hear that with Alex go like just right now, just everything about him just being like, well, I don't do this.
This isn't my fault.
That's everybody, like everything about him is just he's never going to give it to you.
He's never going to give you what you want.
He's never going to stop and say, I was wrong about that.
I am into this esoteric shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I talk about it a lot.
jordan holmes
I love it.
It is enjoyable.
dan friesen
I do magic, and my best friend Tucker Carlson was attacked in his sleep by a demon.
jordan holmes
You know what one of my favorite movies is?
Star Wars.
I love that shit.
I like sci-fi.
dan friesen
No, it's cheesy.
jordan holmes
I'm a huge fan.
I'm a big nerd.
I love it.
I'm so grateful to say it out loud now.
You're never going to get it.
It's never going to happen.
dan friesen
And he's so insecure about that stuff that he has to pretend not to be a jock around Duncan Russell.
jordan holmes
What is wrong with you?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Do anything but be yourself.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of sad.
And I think that you ask those serial killers the question and you get the unsatisfying answer.
And I think the other version of that, too, is like a lot of times, I don't know if they could give you an answer.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, I don't think if you asked Alex, it wouldn't even be a disappointing answer.
I don't think he really understands where he's gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The conclusion is going to be like later on, a scientist is going to look at your brain and we're going to go, oh, that's where we're at.
You're not going to tell me exactly what's going on.
dan friesen
Anyway, Kushner, they say that he's not part of the Trump administration, but he is.
It's secret, and Trump's lying about it.
alex jones
I was very pleased early on that he was sidelined during the campaign.
They said he wasn't going to be big in the administration.
But the reality is he is in the administration heavily, and he just flies under the radar.
And he just comes off as kind of a vampire-like character.
Rarely talks.
You know, when he does, it's very robotic.
He makes my skin crawl.
And then his actions do as well.
But I had already seen a lot of this eschatology, biblical research before about him.
And I went and looked it up and it was accurate.
Plus, I already knew most of it biblically, so I knew it was accurate when I went.
jordan holmes
Who is this for?
alex jones
But here's a young couple kind of joking around about it, but they do a good job covering it.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Other than the Cheshire Cat smiles on their faces.
Because, of course, they're saying, oh, we don't mean, you know, this could be mean or anything, but here it is.
Or we're not saying this is prophecy.
We're just saying here it is.
dan friesen
So instead of covering anything about Jared Kushner or covering the eschatology or the biblical stuff, he's covering a TikTok video that's pretending to talk about Jared Kushner being the Antichrist.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can find a diamond in the rough.
You know, maybe they do a great job.
Maybe that's the only place that you can get really hard-hitting information about how Jared Kushner is the Antichrist.
dan friesen
I'm not particularly interested in can or can't.
I will tell you, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Maybe there are some fucking anger TikToks out there.
I don't even know if this is bad.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
No, no, who knows?
dan friesen
They might even be joking.
jordan holmes
I could be.
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
TikTok, I don't take seriously.
People are all fucking around on there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's all everyone's sarcastic these days.
jordan holmes
Also, there's, you should know so much more about the Antichrist if the Antichrist is the son-in-law of your guy.
dan friesen
No, he's not the Antichrist.
That's not Alex's point.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's just a fucking big old demon.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's not the Antichrist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's the same way you feel about Alex.
jordan holmes
I understand.
But the thing is, presumably, at the very least, Trump's daughter likes him.
I mean, again, we don't know how rich people work.
Maybe they're like from the 1700s and this is a marriage of convenience.
And their children will marry their houses and then winter is coming or some shit like that.
I don't know if that's how it works.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But presumably.
dan friesen
I don't think Barron is the king in the north.
jordan holmes
It's unlikely to see that conclusion of the series.
dan friesen
Look, yeah, I don't think that there's a possible way that I believe that Donald John Trump does not like Jared.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't care.
I presume that his marriage is fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His father-in-law clearly has accepted him into the family and gave him a position in government and pardoned his dad for felonies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So like, I think they got something.
jordan holmes
At the very least.
I mean, you know, like, I don't know if Trump can like a human being in the way that other human beings like human beings, you know?
But whatever it is he does, he's expressing affection for this demon thing.
Right.
So if his son-in-law is a demon, then at the very least, he is unaware that his son-in-law is a demon, and that is a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The son-in-law being a demon is lesser in terms of the problems we have than the father not knowing that the son-in-law is a demon.
dan friesen
If the father-in-law doesn't know the son-in-law is a demon, he's like that old king in Lord of the Rings.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He's all like that.
jordan holmes
And then Wormtongue is all like, and that's dangerous.
But it's Saruman who, I mean, fuck it.
Why not?
Let's go with Putin.
dan friesen
Can I say, cloppity cloppity clop, we're going to the shire.
jordan holmes
Actually, yes, you can.
That is allowed.
dan friesen
So, you know, when you're dealing with the end times and the end of the world and Jesus' return, it's usually best just to let it play out.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, regardless of what you do or don't do, it will play out.
dan friesen
But I do think I agree with Alex in a sense.
jordan holmes
Okay, I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
That it's foolish to try and force God to come back.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
alex jones
But I want to explain something about the Antichrist.
The Bible says there have been many Antichrists, but there's the final.
There's an Antichrist spirit.
jordan holmes
These two.
alex jones
These are demonically inclined and involved in all this stuff.
They mimic the Bible.
They believe that it's their master plan and that actually they're going to get power in the end.
So they actually fulfill the prophecy themselves.
So just because Kushner's running around trying to fulfill the prophecy and trying to push God to speed up his timeline, that's what the Christian Zionists are saying.
So they're teaching him.
jordan holmes
God doesn't have a timeline or the concept of time.
alex jones
But to teach him, no, no, we're speeding up the timeline.
We're pushing to make Christ come back.
We're pushing to go ahead and have the war with the Muslims now.
I say we can tain him and all the rest of them and let God work on his timeline.
Anybody thinking you're going to manipulate the timeline and you're going to make God show up like you're calling DoorDash, that's really dangerous.
End Time Dipshits 00:02:43
alex jones
And Christ talked about that a lot.
He said, anybody standing the hour of the time, anybody that tells you when they know what's going to happen, those people are of the devil.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So I do not pretend to know God's master plan.
I can see it in hindsight.
How the Lord works in mysterious ways.
dan friesen
You absolutely pretend to know God's plan in advance.
jordan holmes
That's one of the biggest things you pretend to know to do.
dan friesen
Yes, you talk about it all the fucking time.
jordan holmes
You say you saw God's plan.
God shared his plan with you.
dan friesen
Yeah, over chicken-fried steak and maybe an iced tea or a beer.
Maybe at closing time.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
This is very frustrating.
This is a frustrating episode.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
It's gaslighting your ear than it has been in a while.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's true.
And I think that I'm taking issue with a number of things in a way that I haven't in the past.
I'm really resentful.
jordan holmes
This is making me resentful.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I would say this.
If we're ever in a position where any public policy decision or possible military action is predicated on trying to lure Jesus to return, the government might not be salvageable.
Like, if that's where we're at, we might need to just make this thing like an etch of sketch.
jordan holmes
Listen, you're speaking awful close to my language, my friend.
dan friesen
So here's something I don't get about these end-time dipshits.
The Bible is very clear that no one knows when Jesus is coming back.
So it's literally the one thing you shouldn't waste your time thinking about.
You literally cannot change God's mind with your actions or else that dude's not God.
so don't worry about trying to trick him into appearing by fighting with Islam.
jordan holmes
Tricking God is usually never a...
How about this?
unidentified
At...
jordan holmes
At no point in time does God welcome you into heaven after you've tricked, oh shit, you got me, bro.
alex jones
Get on in here.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
One exception.
George Clooney, because he's a prankster.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So while I'm on this subject and talking about a little bit of this bullshit, there's no war between good and evil.
And on the off chance that there is, no one needs to worry about it.
If one side is headed up by God, the sole creator of everything that exists, and the other side is run by the devil, who's one of God's creations, then good is never going to lose that eternal battle.
jordan holmes
That's kind of how it works.
dan friesen
You're a monkey in clothes.
So even assuming that all the religious stuff is real, the best you can do is worship God, be nice to the people around you, and live your life.
If you're in a rural area, maybe go to a rodeo.
Have fun.
jordan holmes
Have fun.
dan friesen
Calm the fuck down.
jordan holmes
Have a parade.
Shady Kushner Deal 00:04:06
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It is funny how much effort there is to go into to avoid just going like, oh, so if there's a God who's the God that you say, then I should just relax.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's all, but, but everything else about it is to drive you into a fervor, a religious fervor, if you will, that is then why you buy things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like methylene blue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you could just relax.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we got to get to some of the details on Jared Kushner and how he is a big old demon.
alex jones
I mean, I remember when he bought that building 666 there in the most expensive street in the world.
dan friesen
Forgot the street.
alex jones
It wasn't even really for sale.
jordan holmes
Expensive habit.
alex jones
They said, okay, here's this price.
He said, yes, I want it.
666.
dan friesen
Boardwalk.
unidentified
Partial.
Atlanta.
alex jones
This is creepy.
And I'm not saying he's the Antichrist, which I don't think he is, but he's, I mean, he just oozes evil energy, though.
And the point is, if you've got a demon down here paving the way for the Antichrist, you're going to see it doing all this Antichrist work and say, is that the Antichrist?
And I'd say, no, it's more like the Antichrist secretary.
But yes, Jared Kushner is an agent of Satan.
Let's go to the club.
dan friesen
Yeah, Jared Kushner is an agent of Satan.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So Jared Kushner's family business, Kushner Companies, they bought the building at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan in 2007.
Basically, what's going on here is that this building is a flagrant example of Trump and his family using U.S. foreign policy to enrich themselves.
So instead of talking about all of that, Alex is trying to divert his audience's attention off into fantasy lands about him being the devil's secretary.
Here's the condensed version of this story.
Kushner companies bought the building just before the financial crisis hit and real estate prices took a huge dive.
So pretty soon after buying it, they were underwater and the property, like the debt that they had on it was higher than the value of the tower.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They rent out space as they can, but they're losing money.
And it looks like they're never going to be able to sell the building for anything close to what they paid for it.
Then in 2015, Trump is running for president and is Jared's father-in-law.
Jared and his convicted felon turned Trump pardon recipient, Father Charles, begin negotiating with the former prime minister of Qatar, who's also the head of the country's sovereign wealth fund.
This deal falls through, but in 2018, the Kushners are able to get a $1.1 billion bailout from Brookfield Asset Management, who took out a 99-year lease on the building and paid up front.
The Qatari Sovereign Wealth Fund is the second largest partner in the Brookfield asset management, and other companies linked with the government of Qatar lent or invested hundreds of millions of dollars with Kushner.
There's speculation that Kushner used his relationship with Trump as leverage to make this deal to bail out his building, including his support for a Saudi blockade of Qatar in 2017 that was based on an accusation that Qatar was aiding Iran.
Even if there isn't overt dealings or pressure being applied here, this shit is shady as hell.
And even Alex knows that.
But Trump is complicit in that shadiness, and he always was.
So it's key to distract on this subject off into some dumbass demon talk.
So everyone's too entertained to realize how badly Trump is fucking them over.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
I mean, oh, they got you coming and going, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's just becoming too sloppy.
It's just not good.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Free The Antichrist 00:04:05
jordan holmes
So if you're the Antichrist, do you know you can't win?
Right?
Because you've got the Bible.
Presumably, I mean, you're alive.
You're alive.
unidentified
You're alive.
dan friesen
Angsty as hell.
jordan holmes
You've got the Bible.
You go, oh, shit, that's me.
Fuck.
Do you think maybe I got this one?
I know this book says some bullshit, but you know what?
It also said some other bullshit about my dad.
I think I can take him.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that, you know, it all comes down to whether or not the Antichrist has free will.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because if the Antichrist does have free will, then maybe he could make a different decision, but he can't have free will.
jordan holmes
Because he's got to be the Antichrist.
He can't choose not to Antichrist.
dan friesen
He has the definite article in front of his name.
He's the.
jordan holmes
He's the.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just, I mean, it's, it's, you know, you feel for him.
He's a fine.
jordan holmes
I do feel for the Antichrist.
Not many people do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not many people have empathy for the guy who can't not choose to kill everybody.
dan friesen
Everybody's got sympathy for the devil.
No one has empathy for the Antichrist.
jordan holmes
He was just a poor boy.
Raised by the devil.
It's not his fault.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And the devil's all out there hot dogging and fiddle contests.
jordan holmes
I'm sick of people shitting all over the Antichrist.
dan friesen
So anyway, Jared Kushner is just a big old demon.
And we have one last clip.
And it's Alex ruminating on how he might not be here soon because his business might go away any day now.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So you got to buy his shit.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
There's going to come a time very soon.
People don't take me seriously.
This is Rock so much.
You're going to tune in and InfoWards won't be there.
And you'll be, where are we?
We'll be at Real Ox Show and Shot X. We'll be at Rumble, the Ox Show Show.
We'll have new websites that are already built.
You'll see it all.
But it's Big Ling that's paying for all of that at thealexhowstore.com.
And we have a deal that ends tomorrow night where you can get ultramethylene blue for 50% off.
unidentified
Ooh.
alex jones
We have the March Mega sale that goes the 17th up to 40% off on all the other great products.
The Bovine Colostrum, not a sexy name, does incredible things.
dan friesen
I, yeah, I don't think, I don't think that it's going to work.
Like, I don't, like, I don't think colostrum?
Well, I don't know.
But based on Alex's track record, no, I don't think that's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, it would be wise to assume it does it.
dan friesen
I agree.
It's not sexy.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But I don't think that people are going to go along.
I think he's really fucked up.
Like, he's so unlucky that he didn't go off air like six months ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's really, really bad luck for him that he's had to cover Trump attacking Iran and going this way while he still has InfoWars.
jordan holmes
I mean, can you imagine how easy it would be if one, they came in, barred the doors, took the mic out of your hand while you're on air.
Ah, you can do that thing.
Then you go away for a while.
You watch this shit go down.
You come back flamethrowing.
I'm now the huge anti-Trump guy.
I didn't have to eat it while everybody else just fucking ate it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Ate shit from him all day, every day.
He could have been gone and then come back.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You got to go away, man.
dan friesen
Obviously, I don't want, like, you know, I don't want to ever have the perspective of, hey, it's good that he didn't get put out of business sooner.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But I do think that it's hurt him more than if he had gone away.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, this, this is, I, I think that everyone is going to be turned off.
He seems stupid.
He's making points like, you fucking rural people are to blame for Trump bombing Iran.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like this is just shit.
jordan holmes
He's he's mean to the wrong people.
He Runs Out Of Targets 00:01:36
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's run out.
jordan holmes
He's run out of people to be mean to.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then you and that and on the on the heels of that to try and get people to migrate to a different platform is just it's impossible.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People don't do that even if you haven't disappointed them in mis in horrible ways.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you're trying to do audience migration, you need to do it at the crest of a wave.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like if you're I wouldn't try.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
No one's excited.
Anyway, we'll be back and see.
jordan holmes
Let's go to the past forever.
Let's just fly there.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You bring the rocks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think it's funny that Stefan Molyneux is back.
That really charms me.
jordan holmes
Does that tickle you?
dan friesen
Well, it's not so much that he's back.
It's what that means.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That he's been gone this whole time.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That he can come back and what it means.
Like if he was just gone, that means something.
That he can come back means something very different.
dan friesen
He never stopped making a show.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He just wasn't welcome.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Good times.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So we'll see.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark and Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I'm a first Tim Color.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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