Knowledge Fight - #1117: Are You Not Valuetained?
Aired: 2026-02-16
Duration: 01:51:17


=== Welcome Back to Knowledge Fight (02:42) ===

[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang, we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge and fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  I need money.
[00:00:38]  Riddler.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Pandy.
[00:00:42]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the airplane for holding us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex from Africa and Colorado here saying I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes.
[00:01:03]  Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex.
[00:01:07]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan.
[00:01:09]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today, buddy?
[00:01:12]  My bright spot.
[00:01:12]  Well, I mean, it's February.
[00:01:13]  That's true.
[00:01:14]  So I think there's a tradition.
[00:01:16]  Do you remember what it is?
[00:01:17]  We are developing a tradition in February specifically.
[00:01:20]  Yeah.
[00:01:21]  Wherein I give my bright spot first.
[00:01:23]  That's right.
[00:01:23]  Yeah.
[00:01:24]  So you go ahead.
[00:01:25]  I will go ahead.
[00:01:26]  I had a fantastic Valentine's Day.
[00:01:28]  My wife and I both had a delightful Valentine's Day.
[00:01:32]  The first reason and the largest reason, when you're at a certain age, right?
[00:01:38]  We were going to go out with my brother and his wife.
[00:01:41]  I was so excited about it.
[00:01:42]  My family never comes to Chicago because they think that we're in a gang war at all times.
[00:01:47]  So I was excited to see my brother and his wife.
[00:01:50]  We were going to hang out, right?
[00:01:52]  But then they had to cancel.
[00:01:53]  And at this age, there is nothing better than canceled plans that aren't your fault.
[00:01:57]  Sure.
[00:01:57]  It's the best feeling in the world.
[00:01:59]  So what did you guys stay in?
[00:02:01]  Oh, yeah, we did.
[00:02:02]  We stayed in.
[00:02:03]  We ordered some food.
[00:02:05]  We watched movies.
[00:02:06]  It was great.
[00:02:07]  Did you get her some chocolate?
[00:02:09]  She bought me some flowers.
[00:02:10]  It was a beautiful arrangement.
[00:02:13]  It was an edible arrangement.
[00:02:14]  No, no, no, no.
[00:02:15]  We like to switch it up.
[00:02:16]  I don't buy her flowers.
[00:02:17]  She buys me flowers.
[00:02:18]  But did you buy her chocolate?
[00:02:20]  I did buy her some chocolate.
[00:02:21]  Okay, good.
[00:02:22]  Absolutely.
[00:02:22]  They were not in a heart-shaped container, however.
[00:02:24]  No.
[00:02:25]  No.
[00:02:25]  And they were purchased on Valentine's Day, so they were 40% off.
[00:02:29]  Hell yeah.
[00:02:30]  Which is what we were both excited about in terms of saving.
[00:02:33]  Exactly.
[00:02:34]  Nice.
[00:02:35]  Absolutely.
[00:02:35]  It was great.
[00:02:36]  I'm glad for you.
[00:02:36]  Yeah, it was delightful.
[00:02:37]  How was your bright spot?
[00:02:38]  My bright spot is that I watched, well, I mean, hey, let's keep it going with the Valentine's Day.
[00:02:43]  I watched a very romantic episode of MacGyver.
[00:02:48]  Okay.
[00:02:48]  We missed one.
[00:02:49]  I realized I've watched two since we spoke about it.
[00:02:52]  That'll happen.
[00:02:53]  But there wasn't any kissing.
[00:02:54]  And it was what it was.
[00:02:56]  Right.
[00:02:57]  But this one.
[00:02:58]  Heavy smooching?
[00:02:59]  Heavy on the smooches.
[00:03:00]  So much kissing.

=== MacGyver Romance (11:54) ===

[00:03:04]  So this one, MacIver is in a bit of a hockey costume.
[00:03:09]  And he's on a date at his apartment with a lady.
[00:03:13]  It appears to be a date.
[00:03:14]  It's okay.
[00:03:15]  But he has gotten in.
[00:03:16]  Hockey and chill.
[00:03:17]  He's gotten in a hockey costume and has put on a Canadian accent in order to play table hockey with this lady.
[00:03:25]  Because they're about to play tonsil hockey.
[00:03:26]  Well, she has said that she used to date Brett Wayne Gretzky.
[00:03:30]  Oh, okay.
[00:03:31]  So that was a little thing of like, hey, maybe it's a role-playing fantasy for her.
[00:03:36]  Whatever.
[00:03:37]  Maybe.
[00:03:37]  That would be a lot of subtext for MacGyver.
[00:03:39]  So he gets a call.
[00:03:41]  And it's from his ex from when he was in college.
[00:03:46]  Okay.
[00:03:47]  She works at a nuclear processing plant.
[00:03:50]  That's rough.
[00:03:51]  Somewhere else in California.
[00:03:52]  Yeah.
[00:03:53]  And she's uncovered a plot where someone is stealing uranium and her boss has been killed.
[00:03:59]  Jesus.
[00:04:00]  And someone's trying to kill her.
[00:04:02]  Naturally.
[00:04:02]  Well, yeah, obviously.
[00:04:03]  Right.
[00:04:03]  So MacGyver's got to, he's got to get there quick.
[00:04:06]  What did he study in college?
[00:04:07]  Science.
[00:04:10]  She, him, and another guy who's played by Robert England.
[00:04:16]  Of course.
[00:04:17]  Why not?
[00:04:18]  Why not?
[00:04:18]  Yeah.
[00:04:19]  That's great.
[00:04:20]  I'm not at all distracted.
[00:04:21]  Instantly, oh, hey, here's the villain.
[00:04:23]  Here we go.
[00:04:24]  I think it's you.
[00:04:26]  They have a yearbook that they look at, and the three of them were in the science club.
[00:04:31]  And Robert England was most likely to succeed.
[00:04:34]  Right.
[00:04:34]  And then under MacGyver's picture, it says he's already got it.
[00:04:40]  Oh, my God.
[00:04:41]  Yeah.
[00:04:43]  That is maybe the coolest thing that you can have in a yearbook, period.
[00:04:46]  And end it all right there.
[00:04:48]  Jesus.
[00:04:48]  Hey, Robert England.
[00:04:50]  That's a pretty great superlative.
[00:04:52]  That is.
[00:04:52]  But it's also second to.
[00:04:54]  There's nothing better than hey, he's already got it.
[00:04:57]  Yeah, that's the shit.
[00:04:58]  Yeah.
[00:04:59]  So he's got to go help her out.
[00:05:01]  So she's like, meet me at our beach.
[00:05:04]  Right.
[00:05:04]  So he goes to the beach.
[00:05:05]  There's some flashbacks of how in love they were.
[00:05:08]  Doing some smooching.
[00:05:09]  They were going to make it.
[00:05:10]  They were.
[00:05:11]  They were.
[00:05:12]  But she wanted to pursue higher education in order to get a career.
[00:05:16]  He wanted to go stow away on a boat and have adventures in Greece.
[00:05:20]  Yeah, that does sound like a tough choice.
[00:05:21]  So they broke up in the flashback.
[00:05:24]  There's really no reconciling those two.
[00:05:26]  You can't do both.
[00:05:27]  No.
[00:05:27]  Car pulls up.
[00:05:29]  Expects it to be her.
[00:05:31]  Boom.
[00:05:31]  Blows up.
[00:05:32]  Oh, no.
[00:05:33]  Car blows up.
[00:05:34]  Ah, that's so exciting.
[00:05:36]  So the coroner comes and the cops and all of them, and they're like, we're going to have a funeral tomorrow.
[00:05:40]  Sure.
[00:05:41]  So they have a funeral.
[00:05:42]  He's leaving the funeral.
[00:05:44]  Who's in the back seat but his ex?
[00:05:46]  Oh, no.
[00:05:46]  Turns out her roommate was supposed to go pick up MacGyver because she was scared for her own safety.
[00:05:52]  Right.
[00:05:52]  They killed the roommate.
[00:05:53]  Right.
[00:05:53]  But the ashes and all the remains were so burnt up, they thought it was her.
[00:05:58]  I understand from a story perspective why that works.
[00:06:03]  But if you look at it from a perspective of the roommate, this woman is scared for her own life.
[00:06:09]  So she's sending the roommate in her car, the car that presumably would be the murder spot.
[00:06:15]  Right.
[00:06:16]  Which suggests that she was kind of setting her friend up to be murdered, right?
[00:06:20]  Like her friend was like the poison tester.
[00:06:22]  Don't get me wrong.
[00:06:23]  She carries some guilt for this.
[00:06:24]  I would hope so.
[00:06:25]  She possesses some guilt.
[00:06:26]  Yeah.
[00:06:27]  So, yeah, she and MacGyver have to go back to the power plant, the processing plant, get the evidence.
[00:06:35]  But then, of course, Robert England reveals that he is a bad guy.
[00:06:40]  He's the most likely to succeed at killing you.
[00:06:42]  And he's working with the sheriff of the town, I think.
[00:06:45]  They're going to go to Canada and sell the uranium to somebody.
[00:06:50]  But the uranium is still on the premises.
[00:06:53]  It hasn't been taken out yet.
[00:06:55]  Wise.
[00:06:56]  Right.
[00:06:56]  Yeah.
[00:06:57]  We could solve this thing.
[00:06:58]  Yeah.
[00:06:59]  In a gun battle, gunplay.
[00:07:01]  I wouldn't do that at a nuclear facility.
[00:07:04]  One of them ends up shooting the console, like the control.
[00:07:07]  See, that's why you don't have a gun battle there.
[00:07:09]  Meltdown.
[00:07:10]  Of course.
[00:07:10]  Meltdown side.
[00:07:11]  I mean, yes.
[00:07:12]  So MacGyver and his ex have to climb up to the top of the building and crank some water in order to cool the power plant so it doesn't melt down.
[00:07:21]  Yeah.
[00:07:21]  They succeed in doing that and then realize, hey, we're pretty good.
[00:07:26]  We could have made it, but we can't go back in time.
[00:07:30]  Star-crossed lovers.
[00:07:31]  I've got to go back to my life.
[00:07:32]  You've got to go back to yours.
[00:07:35]  Casablanca style.
[00:07:36]  Yep.
[00:07:37]  But they do kiss quite a bit.
[00:07:39]  Casablanca style.
[00:07:40]  Yeah.
[00:07:41]  So that was nice.
[00:07:43]  That was my Valentine's Day is watching MacGyver rekindle an old flame.
[00:07:48]  Nice.
[00:07:50]  I would have preferred if in some form or fashion MacGyver had used very close-by tools to fix the entire nuclear reaction.
[00:08:01]  Well, he kind of did.
[00:08:02]  Yeah.
[00:08:02]  So what happened was he was using a wrench to screw off this giant bolt that was like not letting water through or something like that.
[00:08:11]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:08:12]  But the wrench gets tossed aside.
[00:08:14]  Uh-oh.
[00:08:15]  He's like, oh, no, what am I going to do?
[00:08:16]  MacGyver this.
[00:08:17]  So there's a gun.
[00:08:19]  And he grabs the gun, knocks the barrel out.
[00:08:22]  Okay.
[00:08:23]  And he uses that as a wrench.
[00:08:24]  Oh, that's nice.
[00:08:25]  He uses the gun as a wrench.
[00:08:26]  Good job.
[00:08:27]  Yeah, and that saves the day.
[00:08:30]  Is there like a little tally for the MacGyvering of the day kind of thing?
[00:08:34]  You know, like, because it's very clear that there's a thing where it's like, well, MacGyver's not just going to use a wrench.
[00:08:39]  No.
[00:08:39]  All right.
[00:08:39]  He's just not going to use a fucking wrench.
[00:08:41]  So we got to have a MacGyver moment there.
[00:08:43]  And it's a fun irony because he hates guns and he has to use this gun as a wrench in order to solve the problem.
[00:08:50]  It's layers, man.
[00:08:51]  Uh-huh.
[00:08:52]  The tool of my enemy is my tool now.
[00:08:55]  One of the things I did enjoy about this is the heavy lore implications.
[00:08:59]  Like, this episode was full of like, okay, now you can't go back on this.
[00:09:04]  Yeah.
[00:09:04]  MacGyver dated this woman in college, and he was on the science team with Robert England.
[00:09:10]  Does Robert England die?
[00:09:12]  Oh, yeah, he does.
[00:09:13]  He dies vindicated.
[00:09:15]  He realizes the error of his ways and helps them stop the meltdown and dies in the process.
[00:09:21]  So he's, you know, he dies a hero.
[00:09:24]  I get that.
[00:09:24]  I would have preferred he be the MacGyver to MacGyver.
[00:09:29]  Like the second best MacGyver, but evil.
[00:09:31]  Hear me out on this.
[00:09:32]  All right.
[00:09:32]  Nuclear meltdown.
[00:09:34]  Yeah.
[00:09:34]  You send him in to do a job that is certain death.
[00:09:37]  Sure.
[00:09:38]  He gets burned like crazy, comes out with knife hands.
[00:09:41]  Oh, hell yeah.
[00:09:42]  Now, Freddy is in MacGyver.
[00:09:45]  Now we're talking.
[00:09:46]  Yeah.
[00:09:47]  Yes.
[00:09:48]  Absolutely.
[00:09:49]  Wasted opportunity.
[00:09:51]  Why do we not have a time machine to solve so many problems that aren't anybody else's problem?
[00:09:56]  I was looking at the credits of this as he was starting up and it was like, Robert England.
[00:10:01]  And I'm like, all right.
[00:10:05]  Yeah, didn't disappoint.
[00:10:06]  I love that show.
[00:10:07]  Can't wait to watch more of it.
[00:10:08]  It's just the best.
[00:10:10]  So, Jordan, we're going to episode to go over today that is not the best.
[00:10:14]  Okay.
[00:10:14]  We're back to the present day.
[00:10:16]  E.
[00:10:16]  And a little bit of a special event.
[00:10:18]  And we'll talk about that here in a second.
[00:10:20]  But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
[00:10:22]  Ooh, that's a great idea.
[00:10:23]  So first, Dan, if you're getting into hiking, goose-down jackets are the best for cold weather, and synthetics are the best for cold, rainy weather.
[00:10:30]  Also, wear a base layer.
[00:10:32]  Love the show.
[00:10:32]  JB, thank you so much.
[00:10:33]  You're now policywonk.
[00:10:35]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:10:36]  Thank you very much.
[00:10:36]  Thank you.
[00:10:37]  Next, thank you, Dan and Jordan, for keeping my wife and our serial killer dogs sane.
[00:10:41]  Thank you so much, Jerry Policy Wonk.
[00:10:42]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:10:43]  Thank you very much.
[00:10:44]  Thank you.
[00:10:45]  And I ran the NYC Marathon and earned my fourth World Marathon Major Star.
[00:10:49]  And I want Steve Pieczenik to tell me to go home and tell my mother I'm brilliant.
[00:10:53]  Thank you so much.
[00:10:53]  You're now Pazi Wonk.
[00:10:54]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:10:55]  Thank you very much.
[00:10:56]  And we got a technical credit, Jordan.
[00:10:58]  So thank you so much to my nickname in high school was the Bed Slayer, but unfortunately not for the reason you might think.
[00:11:04]  Thank you so much, Jerana Technocrat.
[00:11:05]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:11:07]  Four stars.
[00:11:07]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:11:10]  Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:11:12]  Daddy Sharp.
[00:11:13]  Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:11:19]  He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
[00:11:22]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:11:24]  I renounce Jesus Christ.
[00:11:25]  Thank you so much.
[00:11:26]  Thank you very much.
[00:11:27]  When you hear something like that, do you instantly start asking like, well, what is the reason for this person's nickname?
[00:11:34]  No, I immediately invent a reason.
[00:11:37]  And so my reason instantly was, this man took out a Bedouin tribe.
[00:11:42]  Okay.
[00:11:43]  That's interesting.
[00:11:44]  My reaction to it is, good.
[00:11:48]  Obviously, it's bed slayo, but not the reason.
[00:11:51]  It's not the reason, which means I presumably sex.
[00:11:54]  To me, I say fine.
[00:11:55]  Yeah, I don't need to know the reason.
[00:11:57]  I don't need to know the reason either.
[00:11:58]  I like to have the reason, though.
[00:12:00]  You've created your own.
[00:12:02]  Uh-huh.
[00:12:02]  That's nice.
[00:12:03]  I think, I mean, he's not a nice person because he's murdered a Bedouin tribe.
[00:12:07]  Right.
[00:12:08]  But, I mean, that would be a different Bed Slayer.
[00:12:12]  So, today, Jordan, we have an episode.
[00:12:15]  We're going to talk about, well, let me take you back.
[00:12:19]  Let me take you back a ways.
[00:12:21]  Okay.
[00:12:22]  There was a time, maybe 2018-ish when Alex had been kicked off of all media.
[00:12:30]  Oh, my God.
[00:12:31]  He went to talk in a hotel room with a fella.
[00:12:35]  He got very drunk.
[00:12:37]  Life's very fragile.
[00:12:38]  I explained to him that life was very fragile.
[00:12:40]  And we thought it was very funny.
[00:12:41]  And it was very funny.
[00:12:42]  Yep.
[00:12:43]  To the point where I got a tattoo.
[00:12:45]  You did?
[00:12:45]  Based on a line from that interview with a big apple bite.
[00:12:51]  Well, it just so happens that Alex made a return appearance with Patrick Bette David.
[00:12:56]  All right.
[00:12:57]  And so felt like, hey, let's check in on this.
[00:13:03]  PD.
[00:13:03]  Yeah, there we go.
[00:13:05]  Maybe we'll get another tattoo out of this.
[00:13:06]  Yeah.
[00:13:07]  I'm on a tat run.
[00:13:08]  Absolutely.
[00:13:09]  I'm down for it.
[00:13:11]  Maybe we can find some quote in.
[00:13:13]  One arm is your PBD arm.
[00:13:16]  No.
[00:13:18]  I will not.
[00:13:18]  I will.
[00:13:21]  There's something funny about that.
[00:13:22]  Yeah, I know.
[00:13:25]  I don't know how I, what, what's a multi-level marketing tattoo?
[00:13:29]  Can I get a tattoo that sells you tattoos?
[00:13:32]  No, no, no, no.
[00:13:33]  It's a tattoo that convinces me to sign up other people to get tattoos to sell tattoos for you.
[00:13:39]  That would be perfect.
[00:13:40]  Yeah, that would be nice.
[00:13:41]  So we start off here, and both of them have laryngitis, and their voices are fucked.
[00:13:48]  We can do this later.
[00:13:49]  We can do this next week.
[00:13:50]  There is no, there's a fucking.
[00:13:52]  Alex flew in for this, so no, they can't.
[00:13:54]  All right.
[00:13:55]  But they all, they sound like shit.
[00:13:57]  So, you know, today's podcast is a special one because never in the history of my life have I started a podcast with taking a shot of olive oil, but we did that today together.
[00:14:07]  We both showed up.
[00:14:08]  I even know we both have a little bit of laryngitis.
[00:14:10]  And I was like, that's crazy.
[00:14:11]  I just flew in from Texas yesterday.
[00:14:13]  And boom, I said, Frank Snopper said, drink olive oil.
[00:14:15]  We took a small shot and knocked about halfway out.
[00:14:17]  Yeah, it actually worked.
[00:14:18]  It actually worked.
[00:14:19]  But let me start off with the podcast because you and I, the first time we did the podcast, was, I want to say 9-10, 2018.
[00:14:28]  Came to Austin.
[00:14:29]  That legendary conversation.
[00:14:31]  I want to show a clip of the most insightful moment of our podcast.
[00:14:35]  If you don't mind.
[00:14:35]  Sure.
[00:14:36]  You shared it with me yesterday.
[00:14:38]  I think the audience has to see this, Rob.
[00:14:40]  I texted it to you.
[00:14:41]  If you can pull it up, you see it a minute.
[00:14:43]  And my pot belly.
[00:14:44]  Yeah.
[00:14:44]  Well, listen, this, Rob, I literally texted it to you right before we went live and you pulled it up.
[00:14:49]  There you go.
[00:14:50]  Okay, so this is.
[00:14:52]  It doesn't get more insightful than this.
[00:14:54]  Can you play it up, Rob?
[00:14:56]  Go back.
[00:14:57]  Watch this, folks.

=== Most Insightful Moment (04:11) ===

[00:14:58]  Patriot.
[00:14:59]  Patriot.
[00:15:00]  Vampire.
[00:15:01]  Nationalist.
[00:15:03]  Mental retard.
[00:15:04]  Eugenicist.
[00:15:07]  A scared man.
[00:15:09]  Really?
[00:15:10]  Really?
[00:15:11]  Retard.
[00:15:12]  Retard.
[00:15:15]  Traitor.
[00:15:16]  So the meme they're playing is Alex saying all these people are patriots and vampires, but with Mario characters flashing on the screen.
[00:15:23]  So like Mario's a patriot.
[00:15:24]  Right.
[00:15:25]  Right, right.
[00:15:26]  Most of it's pretty normal stuff.
[00:15:27]  Like he says those bad things about Bowser and the villains in the game.
[00:15:32]  He calls Mario a patriot.
[00:15:33]  Sure.
[00:15:34]  But some of the choices are weird.
[00:15:36]  Like Princess Peach is called a eugenicist.
[00:15:39]  And I'm not totally sure why.
[00:15:41]  Interesting.
[00:15:42]  I don't know if she's turning everyone into Toadstool.
[00:15:44]  I was going to say, does she grow the people?
[00:15:48]  Maybe that's what it's supposed to evoke.
[00:15:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:50]  That's possible.
[00:15:51]  But more troubling is that he calls Donkey Kong a scared man.
[00:15:56]  Donkey Kong isn't scared a shit.
[00:15:58]  No, Donkey Kong does not have fear.
[00:15:59]  This meme is bullshit, man.
[00:16:01]  They should have used Lakitu as the scared one.
[00:16:03]  He's hiding up in the cloud all the time, throwing things at you.
[00:16:06]  Yep.
[00:16:06]  He's scared.
[00:16:07]  Lakitu.
[00:16:08]  That 100% works.
[00:16:09]  I'm not sure why, but he calls Waluigi a traitor, which kind of would imply that he's turned on Wario.
[00:16:16]  He's not a traitor.
[00:16:17]  He's a good thing.
[00:16:18]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:16:19]  That's just a villain.
[00:16:21]  So you can't be a traitor to being a villain if you maintain your villain status.
[00:16:25]  Right.
[00:16:25]  And Waluigi's backstory isn't fleshed out enough for us to know if he turned on Mario.
[00:16:30]  It's or if he betrayed Luigi and joined Wario.
[00:16:37]  But that would be a very strange.
[00:16:40]  Who knows?
[00:16:40]  He calls Yoshi a nationalist, which kind of makes sense because he famously has his own island.
[00:16:46]  But we've never really had any reason to believe that Yoshi is concerned with borders and immigration and stuff to Yoshi's Island.
[00:16:55]  Very friendly to all.
[00:16:57]  To all.
[00:16:58]  Yeah.
[00:16:58]  Even Baby Bowser a little bit.
[00:17:00]  Exactly.
[00:17:00]  I like that King Boo and Kirby are the ones that get called a vampire, but Kirby really shouldn't be in there.
[00:17:07]  All the characters in the meme are from Mario games except Kirby.
[00:17:11]  And then later he says Link pops up when Alex says next level.
[00:17:17]  I would have solved this by replacing Kirby with another Mario enemy who's known to suck Mario into their mouths or to bite him.
[00:17:24]  The Piranha plant would have been good here, or even Birdo.
[00:17:27]  Birdo would be a great option here.
[00:17:29]  And it wouldn't break the canon of the meme.
[00:17:32]  Hell, in the new Mario Kart, Waluigi has a literal vampire outfit.
[00:17:36]  So that could have worked.
[00:17:37]  I mean, you know, I feel like the plant even has two big teeth.
[00:17:43]  Like, the plant is already there.
[00:17:44]  The plant is right in the wheelhouse for vampiring.
[00:17:47]  Yeah.
[00:17:48]  And I would replace Link as next level with either Mario with a wing suit or the flag that's at the end of every level, the little flag and castle.
[00:17:57]  I could do that.
[00:17:58]  Yeah, that next level, that kind of works for me.
[00:18:00]  I would even go with Tanuki suit.
[00:18:01]  Sure.
[00:18:02]  Yeah.
[00:18:02]  Anything that allows him to fly, really.
[00:18:04]  So this is really the problem with memes.
[00:18:07]  They're lazy.
[00:18:07]  And if the person making them just gave it a little more thought, they could create something way better.
[00:18:13]  It's an entire medium that just isn't based on trying to create something great.
[00:18:17]  It's about making something that's good enough for people to repost and then forget about.
[00:18:21]  And because of that dynamic, it's kind of a perfect delivery system for Alex's dumb shit.
[00:18:26]  And why they would start out this episode like, oh, is this an insightful moment?
[00:18:31]  Yeah.
[00:18:31]  It's perfect for them.
[00:18:33]  Yeah, it really should be the signal that we don't need to do this.
[00:18:36]  Like, there's no reason, like, everybody watching should be like, okay, first things first, you sound like shit.
[00:18:43]  Second things, you're playing this clip that shows that whatever happens after this is dumb.
[00:18:49]  This is going to be dumb.
[00:18:51]  You started it dumb.
[00:18:52]  It's your idea for it to be dumb.
[00:18:54]  Yeah.
[00:18:55]  And like, I hate to like keep sticking on this meme, but like, Kirby, if you're going to include Kirby and Link, there are better choices for like Trader or Eugenesist in the Nintendo canon.

=== Alex's Dumbshit Delivery System (14:31) ===

[00:19:10]  You could choose better options.
[00:19:11]  You could throw Ganondorf in there somewhere.
[00:19:13]  Once you have opened it up past the Mario universe, then you're in the Nintendo universe, which means you should have either more variety or no variety.
[00:19:22]  Right.
[00:19:22]  There's no reason we need to call a Goomba the R-word.
[00:19:26]  You know, like you could broaden this to be much more.
[00:19:29]  There's no reason we needed to use those words.
[00:19:30]  Anyways, what are you going to do?
[00:19:33]  So anyway, do better, meme makers.
[00:19:35]  Yeah.
[00:19:36]  But they get to actual conversation.
[00:19:39]  And obviously, the thing on everyone's mind at this time is the new Epstein stuff.
[00:19:44]  Let's start off with Epstein.
[00:19:46]  This is what I want to get right into.
[00:19:48]  So your open, you know, unfiltered analysis of what you think happened yesterday with Pam Bondi's hearing.
[00:19:58]  Bondi is not even a bad person, but we knew when she first got in, she's a talking head.
[00:20:04]  There's so much complexity going on in the DOJ.
[00:20:06]  That's why she came out at first and said, oh, yeah, we have all these millions of files and hundreds of kids getting raped, and it's Epstein doing it.
[00:20:13]  And then later we learn she was told that.
[00:20:15]  And then she has to reverse it and say, well, actually, that's not what it is.
[00:20:18]  It was about child porn.
[00:20:19]  So we don't really know the truth about all that because there's so much over the almost 20 years of investigations about Epstein that's been slurped up.
[00:20:27]  And also, last year they had a, last two years, a hotline where anybody can just call in to the FBI or just send in paperwork and any of that gets thrown in there.
[00:20:37]  So that's why Trump is in there about a million times.
[00:20:40]  Pam Bondi has made an absolute joke out of her investigation of the Epstein case, including a ton of PR stunts that Alex has enjoyed and played along with.
[00:20:48]  When all the right-wing media dipshits were at the White House getting fake binders of hot new intel that turned out to be old, that was a pretty fun time for all of them.
[00:20:57]  Alex hates what Pam Bondi is doing now because it's very unpopular with the base.
[00:21:01]  And if the base goes away, then forget about ever winning another election.
[00:21:05]  The GOP essentially has destroyed itself so it could be reborn in service of worshiping Trump.
[00:21:10]  So if that falls apart, don't expect them to just start getting really excited about some other Republican.
[00:21:16]  It's not going to work.
[00:21:17]  They're going to be disillusioned.
[00:21:18]  The Trump audience is a conspiratorial audience.
[00:21:21]  And if you aren't careful in how you manage that kind of an audience, that conspiratorial attention will end up being pointed at you, which is what's happening now.
[00:21:29]  Bondi has mishandled the Epstein stuff so badly that it's led to a not insignificant number of Trump's fans, considering the possibility that Trump's been the deep state the whole time.
[00:21:39]  And it's inevitable.
[00:21:40]  So what's going to happen?
[00:21:41]  Alex, he has to deal with a certain amount of his audience being like, oh my God, you work for the globalists.
[00:21:48]  Like that's just a part of the game.
[00:21:51]  And now it's just becoming too big to ignore and they're in charge of the government.
[00:21:57]  Yeah, I mean, historically, whenever you have a openly fascist government that realizes that it can't maintain power through one form, it tries to maintain power through another form.
[00:22:13]  Right.
[00:22:14]  And if elections aren't going to work, I bet they'll just give up.
[00:22:18]  I bet.
[00:22:19]  So Alex is right on a certain level here, though, in that it's very difficult to discern what's real and what's out of context in almost all of the public conversations about the new Epstein disclosures.
[00:22:30]  Social media has been washed with fake screenshots and a lot of real ones that are being presented with no context or inaccurate context being added to it.
[00:22:40]  There's also a lot of horrible shit that's real and in proper context.
[00:22:44]  But when the water is so polluted with bullshit, it's very hard for someone who's just trying to live their lives to take the time to know the difference.
[00:22:52]  And there's a lot of people who are exploiting that in a way that, you know, it's monstrous.
[00:22:59]  Yeah.
[00:22:59]  I mean, the move, of course, is try and stay out of the Epstein files.
[00:23:04]  Or if you're in the Epstein files, try and keep people from seeing that you're in the Epstein files.
[00:23:09]  But if you have lost those two options, the next move is everybody is now in the Epstein files.
[00:23:14]  Everybody.
[00:23:15]  And it doesn't mean anything.
[00:23:16]  Exactly.
[00:23:18]  And that is really, that's a really dangerous place for us to get to.
[00:23:22]  Once we're unable, like that's the problem with the Epstein files is that if you're going to release them, it should be released the same day you arrest the people in the files.
[00:23:32]  It needs to be like a surprise attack, right?
[00:23:35]  Because if we get used to it, the longer it goes with no consequences, the more everybody gets inured to the idea of even giving them consequences.
[00:23:43]  So it's like, well, I guess just because you were in the Epstein files, I guess that doesn't mean anything now, you know?
[00:23:48]  Yeah, and cynicism takes over and you're like, well, nothing ever will happen.
[00:23:53]  Right.
[00:23:54]  Yeah, it's just it's really bad.
[00:23:57]  This is handled about as poorly as it can be from a government standpoint, from a cultural standpoint, and there's going to be consequences.
[00:24:07]  Yes, there will, but I don't know who they will be for.
[00:24:09]  My guess is the poor.
[00:24:11]  Yeah.
[00:24:12]  So Alex just lies straight to Patrick's face.
[00:24:15]  Great.
[00:24:16]  A fair amount.
[00:24:16]  Good.
[00:24:17]  No, not good.
[00:24:19]  I'm also not an apologist for her.
[00:24:22]  The DOJ has handled this totally horribly.
[00:24:26]  And they've taken something where it's the Democrats that are known for sexualizing children, dragging story time, all of it.
[00:24:33]  It's the Democrats, you know, in California lowering the age of consent to 12-year-olds.
[00:24:38]  Now it's only a misdemeanor, two days in jail if you rape a kid down to 12.
[00:24:41]  I mean, literally.
[00:24:42]  And somehow they...
[00:24:43]  Is that really the long...
[00:24:44]  Absolutely.
[00:24:44]  Absolutely.
[00:24:45]  And now they've somehow turned it around where the Republican Party is the pedophile protection party.
[00:24:52]  Well, because of your actions.
[00:24:54]  Right.
[00:24:54]  Alex is just lying about this law in California, and this would be a great opportunity for Patrick to press on with his questions.
[00:25:01]  His instinct was to ask a follow-up because this sounds insane, and Alex is committed to his claim.
[00:25:08]  The thing to do here, if this was a sincere interview, would be to look this up and then ask Alex why he's lying about it.
[00:25:14]  Within minutes of this interview beginning, Alex has shown that he's willing to make things up and double down on them when he's called on a lie.
[00:25:22]  And this is just sitting here in Patrick's lap.
[00:25:25]  If he wanted to expose Alex, he would, but he's not because they're business partners now.
[00:25:31]  Is that true?
[00:25:32]  Is Princess Peach a eugenicist?
[00:25:35]  Right?
[00:25:35]  That's how you started.
[00:25:37]  You started your show where you're going to say Alex is telling the truth by showing a meme where he's clearly full of shit.
[00:25:45]  Amazing.
[00:25:45]  Calling people vampires.
[00:25:46]  Right.
[00:25:47]  Yeah.
[00:25:48]  Ridiculous.
[00:25:48]  Oh, yeah.
[00:25:49]  And I think it's a disgrace.
[00:25:51]  And given the kind of subject matter that they're covering, it's just this is making a joke of this stuff.
[00:26:00]  It's unacceptable.
[00:26:01]  Yeah, what they've done, what they've done with what is clearly one of the worst elite crimes, crime rings, conspiracies, everything.
[00:26:12]  One of the worst things that we've ever seen to have it be less than the worst thing we've ever seen is offensive.
[00:26:18]  Right.
[00:26:19]  You know?
[00:26:19]  And I think that if this were true, that you could rape a child up to the age of 12.
[00:26:27]  Absolutely.
[00:26:28]  And it be two days and a misdemeanor, then everybody should be burning down every building.
[00:26:35]  We'd all be fine with it, too.
[00:26:37]  Everybody wouldn't be like, oh, how can, can you believe they do that?
[00:26:40]  We'd be like, oh, they're okay with that, then burn them down.
[00:26:42]  Yeah.
[00:26:42]  The government is no longer functional.
[00:26:44]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:26:45]  Get him out of here.
[00:26:46]  Be gone.
[00:26:47]  It's so offensive.
[00:26:49]  Anyway, Epstein mostly just was like, he was hanging out with Dems.
[00:26:53]  Yeah.
[00:26:54]  It was mostly just the Dems.
[00:26:55]  This is a partisan issue.
[00:26:57]  Somehow the Democrats have turned this all the way around.
[00:27:01]  And conservatives are demanding, yeah, Trump, you're covering it up, release it all.
[00:27:05]  And that needs to be looked at, but we need to have the main focus be on the admitted stuff that's in all of this.
[00:27:11]  Bill Gates, all of it, the Democrats, the leftists, all these top billionaires that have hated Trump.
[00:27:16]  This is cut and dry, but somehow it's all been turned around against Trump.
[00:27:21]  And a lot of that's because of the mishandling of Trump come out and saying it's all a hoax.
[00:27:25]  And then Roger Stone went and talked to him and said, no, sir, you mean the stuff about you being involved is a hoax.
[00:27:29]  Yeah, that's what I meant.
[00:27:30]  But still, a few days ago, Pam Bonnie said, we're moving on at the White House.
[00:27:35]  Well, the rest of us aren't moving on.
[00:27:36]  And so they are implicating themselves, even though I've researched stuff on side and down the other.
[00:27:41]  And there's very little bad stuff Republicans are in there doing.
[00:27:44]  Epstein was mainly a Democrat, you know, leftist system.
[00:27:47]  That's why he's allied with all these leftist politicians in Europe that are having to resign in the UK.
[00:27:52]  And you're a prophet proper.
[00:27:55]  So I'm just calling like it is.
[00:27:57]  If I find something with Republicans or if I find something that they're doing, I'll go after them.
[00:28:02]  But so far, we found almost nothing except for the old Republican Party where Epstein originally got launched from.
[00:28:12]  Then he became an operative of the Democrats.
[00:28:14]  And if you want, I can do some of the background history on that why I was the first report on Ep Stewart 18 years ago.
[00:28:19]  That's good.
[00:28:20]  Do you want me to lie to you?
[00:28:21]  Because I can tell you about how I was the first person who covered it.
[00:28:23]  It was a lie all day.
[00:28:24]  Yeah.
[00:28:25]  Yeah, man.
[00:28:26]  So if he sees Republicans, he'll call it.
[00:28:30]  He'll call it out.
[00:28:31]  By that, he means he'll make excuses.
[00:28:33]  Yeah.
[00:28:33]  I think a measure of, like, if I were talking to anybody who I disagree with politically, a measure of rationality or like a sign that we're able to have a conversation would be like just saying, hey, everybody in the list can go fuck off and die.
[00:28:49]  Everybody.
[00:28:50]  I don't give a shit.
[00:28:51]  You know, except for the fake lies or whatever.
[00:28:54]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:28:55]  But like, there's no partisan.
[00:28:56]  I have no partisan.
[00:28:58]  I don't give a fuck who it is.
[00:28:59]  I don't care what they believe.
[00:29:00]  Get them the fuck out of here.
[00:29:02]  And everybody should agree with that.
[00:29:03]  Yeah.
[00:29:04]  Unless they're in there.
[00:29:05]  Well, yeah.
[00:29:06]  And I think that sincere actors in commentary or in media would agree with that.
[00:29:12]  And Alex is not that.
[00:29:13]  Exactly.
[00:29:14]  And again, it's a disservice to the subject that he's pretending to care about.
[00:29:19]  So he says that old Republicans, the old GOP, they're the only people who are...
[00:29:25]  No true Scotsmen.
[00:29:27]  Yeah, but then...
[00:29:28]  I didn't know this until the Bannon interview came out that was not released by Bannon, but was in the Epstein Files, the two-hour interview from 2017 or 2018.
[00:29:41]  Everybody's got to watch it because I thought, oh, this is going to be boring.
[00:29:43]  I watched it.
[00:29:44]  My mouth was standing open.
[00:29:45]  I knew that Epstein was part of the Trilateral Commission, but that's like saying you're the head of value attainment and then you've got a secretary or something.
[00:29:53]  It's important, but they're not the head of it.
[00:29:55]  I thought, okay, he must have always heard he's in the triad commission.
[00:29:58]  No, I'm watching that show, that interview, and he's like, no, David Rockefeller approached me to be his right-hand man for systems analysis such as I can integrate all these systems together.
[00:30:08]  And because they had too many experts at just one level, and he knew about my work with some other groups, being the CIA.
[00:30:14]  So he brought me in to be his representative.
[00:30:16]  And so they put him on the board of the Trilateral Commission, which is one of the most powerful globalist elite or super organizational systems, precursor to the World Economic Forum.
[00:30:26]  So Larry thinks they have the World Economic Forum today.
[00:30:28]  It was Klaus Schwab.
[00:30:30]  It's the equivalent of a 30-year-old being on the board of the WEF today, okay?
[00:30:35]  Which has co-voting rights with the UN.
[00:30:38]  So he is the protege and attaché and basically imperial legate.
[00:30:44]  That's a Roman term for someone who can speak for the emperor.
[00:30:46]  David Rockefeller set up the UN, set up the modern globalist system.
[00:30:50]  He's on record doing it all.
[00:30:52]  Here is a 30-year-old man that is literally given the control to fly around the world and be the representative of David Rockefeller.
[00:31:00]  He's saying this in the Steve Bannon interview.
[00:31:02]  He is.
[00:31:02]  But then here's what I didn't just believe, Jeffrey Epstein.
[00:31:04]  I already knew he.
[00:31:05]  I went and looked all this up, and it's all public.
[00:31:08]  So this is another great opportunity for Patrick to continue down a line of follow-up questions.
[00:31:13]  And as an interviewer who's covering material like this, I believe he has a responsibility to do that.
[00:31:18]  You can't just allow Alex to make whatever claims he wants and just be like, oh, my God, wow.
[00:31:25]  It's irresponsible.
[00:31:27]  Alex is claiming that in the Bannon interview that was recently released, Epstein says that he was on the board of the Trilateral Commission and was given the power to speak for David Rockefeller.
[00:31:37]  This is an outright lie.
[00:31:38]  And if you take the time to watch the interview, you would know exactly what this lie is based on.
[00:31:43]  Epstein discusses being put on the board of the Rockefeller University, not by David Rockefeller, though the school is named after his family.
[00:31:51]  Bannon is surprised by this because it's a prestigious research university, and Epstein wasn't a guy from some aristocratic family, so it's strange that he'd be given this position at a young age.
[00:32:02]  Epstein tries to explain why he was qualified for the position.
[00:32:05]  Like, I understand money in a way that other people don't.
[00:32:08]  Systems, right?
[00:32:09]  Right, right, right.
[00:32:10]  I'm a con man.
[00:32:11]  Later, Epstein is discussing being invited to join the Trilateral Commission, partially because he and David Rockefeller hit it off as friends.
[00:32:19]  He doesn't say that he was put on the board, and Alex is intentionally conflating these two things in order to sell a conspiracy narrative around this.
[00:32:28]  Patrick has the instinct to say, hold on, is that true?
[00:32:32]  But then, as soon as the person lying to him reassures him that they're not lying, he just gives up.
[00:32:38]  At best, he's an incompetent interviewer selling a liar to his audience.
[00:32:42]  And at worst, he's complicit and only pretending to push back on Alex's claims in order to make it look like they stand up to scrutiny when they're bullshit.
[00:32:51]  Also, another good follow-up question might be that Alex's claimed that Epstein mostly worked with Democrats, but then we have an example of him being interviewed by Trump's former campaign manager and senior counselor.
[00:33:02]  Wow.
[00:33:02]  That was not an adversarial interview that they did.
[00:33:05]  If you go and watch it, the two of them seem to be pretty friendly, and it's clearly meant to make Epstein look good, which is a big part of why I'm not playing clips from it.
[00:33:15]  You can find it on YouTube.
[00:33:17]  I'm not playing them because I think he comes off quite well, honestly.
[00:33:21]  Great.
[00:33:22]  Because of the way that Bannon is trying to present this.
[00:33:24]  He's a conman psychopath.
[00:33:26]  Of course he comes off quite well.
[00:33:27]  The reason he got to where he got was because he comes off well.
[00:33:31]  Yeah.
[00:33:32]  And Bannon is creating a framework and he's asking questions in such a way as to allow him to use those skills.

=== Debate Over Deception (04:16) ===

[00:33:41]  And that's it's manipulative.
[00:33:43]  Yeah.
[00:33:45]  But yeah, Alex is just lying about this shit and Patrick either doesn't know or doesn't care.
[00:33:51]  I mean, it's the most effective, it's the most effective two-man game in this kind of thing to have somebody who is at the very least credible enough to say, like, hold on, I'm skeptical, while at the same time, credulous enough to be like, I can't believe you proved me right.
[00:34:11]  How great are you?
[00:34:12]  You know, you lie to me one more time.
[00:34:13]  Exactly.
[00:34:14]  And that's let me know it's real.
[00:34:15]  But that's so effective for people because that one touch of skepticism that they overcome gets people on board before they ask the second question.
[00:34:25]  Yep.
[00:34:26]  That's why it's your responsibility to ask the second question.
[00:34:29]  Otherwise, you're on the team.
[00:34:31]  Yeah.
[00:34:31]  Otherwise, yeah, you're part of the fraud.
[00:34:33]  You're first and second banana here.
[00:34:35]  Yep.
[00:34:36]  So Alex, he's talking about how Epstein's like, it's not even like, it's not even about any of the things that we think it's about.
[00:34:44]  It's about like black magic and secret societies.
[00:34:47]  I was listening to this.
[00:34:48]  I'm like, God damn it.
[00:34:49]  We're just going to go back to Mystery Babylon.
[00:34:50]  We're just doing this again.
[00:34:52]  People found videos now 18 years old.
[00:34:54]  They're posted right now on InfoWars.com today where I'm saying, no, it's a cult.
[00:34:58]  It's Satanism.
[00:34:59]  It's black magic.
[00:35:00]  This is what they really do.
[00:35:02]  Because it's not just Epstein.
[00:35:05]  It's the people up above him to be able to do the horrible stuff they do.
[00:35:09]  They have worldviews and world models that we're just animals, that we need to be sacrificed, that they're the Uber mention because they're willing to do this.
[00:35:16]  We're weak.
[00:35:16]  They're not.
[00:35:17]  And so you have to understand, this is a standardized system.
[00:35:20]  Before they called it mind control, before they called it intelligence agencies, before they call it that, they called it secret societies.
[00:35:27]  And really all secret societies have been, some have been good, some have been bad, some have been a mix.
[00:35:31]  But the bad ones, the dark ones, as they call it, the occult ones, the hidden ones, they have always used torture and drugs and sex and what you'd call mind control, trauma-based mind control.
[00:35:43]  All right, man.
[00:35:44]  Whereas the good ones have only somewhat used torture and mind control because they're still secret societies.
[00:35:50]  You know, you can't not use torture and mind control.
[00:35:52]  No, no, no, they use free will.
[00:35:55]  I don't know.
[00:35:55]  But then why be a secret society?
[00:35:57]  You could just be a regular society.
[00:35:58]  It's more fun.
[00:36:00]  That actually is a good argument.
[00:36:02]  Yeah, it's more fun.
[00:36:03]  It is more fun.
[00:36:04]  It is more fun.
[00:36:05]  That's fair.
[00:36:05]  That's fair.
[00:36:06]  I'll take that.
[00:36:06]  Look, I went on a hike this past weekend because it was warming up here in Chicago.
[00:36:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:36:13]  And I went to a place that was pretty close because I got my shit together to go a little bit later in the day than I wanted to.
[00:36:21]  Right.
[00:36:22]  And so, like, an hour and a half drive or whatever was probably not going to do it.
[00:36:25]  That's going to be a way.
[00:36:26]  So I went to someplace pretty, like, a bit closer to the house.
[00:36:30]  And, you know, it sucked.
[00:36:32]  It's not as much fun.
[00:36:34]  Yes.
[00:36:34]  Yeah.
[00:36:34]  Because I'm walking past a highway and I'm walking, I'm on the trail, the North Branch Trail, and it goes through like a neighborhood.
[00:36:42]  And I'm like, I don't feel outside of civilization.
[00:36:47]  The point is not to be outside.
[00:36:49]  The point is to feel outside.
[00:36:51]  I don't need the being.
[00:36:52]  That's what the secret society is.
[00:36:53]  Yeah, that's fair.
[00:36:54]  That's fair.
[00:36:54]  You don't want to see the houses and the roads and all that stuff.
[00:36:57]  I mean, I get it, but it's real tough to not listen, right?
[00:37:02]  You start out in a secret society for fun.
[00:37:04]  It's hard not to veer into torture and mind control.
[00:37:07]  The moment you secret society, the moment you're kind of like, well, we're kind of into it already.
[00:37:12]  Right.
[00:37:12]  You know?
[00:37:13]  And for me, that is, it's tough to not look at deer.
[00:37:18]  I ran into more deer.
[00:37:20]  That's fair.
[00:37:21]  Even though this was pretty close.
[00:37:23]  Yeah.
[00:37:23]  You know, if you're going to go out and you're going to walk on these trails, you're going to see some fucking deer.
[00:37:27]  Yeah.
[00:37:28]  Saw four of them.
[00:37:29]  Yeah.
[00:37:30]  No antlers this time, so I wasn't scared.
[00:37:33]  Anyway.
[00:37:36]  Alex is a piece of shit.
[00:37:40]  Yes.
[00:37:40]  Yes.
[00:37:41]  And now there have already been concrete examples of him just lying about direct things to Patrick's face.
[00:37:50]  But there conceptually are a few things that are like, oh my God, you are the fucking worst.

=== Alex Is a Piece of Shit (09:58) ===

[00:37:58]  And here is one of them where he's expressing that a number of the victims were actually perpetrators.
[00:38:05]  Wow.
[00:38:06]  Tell everybody that it's far worse than 14-year-old girls.
[00:38:09]  They've just focused on them because here's the thing.
[00:38:11]  I'm not against these women.
[00:38:13]  They are victims.
[00:38:13]  They were under Stockholm Syndrome.
[00:38:15]  But Elon Musk is right.
[00:38:16]  Here's the big secret.
[00:38:17]  What everybody, when you're growing up, tell you what the FBI is putting bulletins.
[00:38:22]  You know, ice cream truck pulls up.
[00:38:23]  There's a kid in the back.
[00:38:24]  I got a puppy.
[00:38:24]  Come see the toy.
[00:38:25]  They use kids, the other kids.
[00:38:27]  The women that they've settled with and that are the victims and all this stuff, almost all of them are the women that ended up working for Epstein for years and years and years.
[00:38:39]  Recruiting other young girls to come to him.
[00:38:40]  Absolutely.
[00:38:41]  200 bucks, 100 bucks.
[00:38:42]  Absolutely.
[00:38:43]  Absolutely.
[00:38:43]  Some were bought at age, this is public, at age nine or 10 from their Eastern European parents, flown here and then worked for him for decades.
[00:38:53]  And so exactly, they're the ones that manage and run the women.
[00:38:56]  And so when you see these women up there, you have to understand that in many cases, you're looking at people that for five years, 10 years worked for Epstein and were part of it.
[00:39:08]  But see, that's how they stop it.
[00:39:09]  Those women then tell a limited story about what was going on.
[00:39:12]  But then you read the names of some of the women.
[00:39:15]  They're in all the emails preparing the beef jerky, walking the beef jerky up.
[00:39:19]  They're in the things preparing it to be sent to the labs so it'll be broken down and sent to people.
[00:39:25]  Let's get to the IV bags.
[00:39:26]  They're there.
[00:39:27]  I'm not trying to put this woman down.
[00:39:28]  Just saying, notice in the hearing yesterday or two days ago, they asked Bondi, they said, have you ever interviewed any of these women?
[00:39:37]  And she goes, I don't know.
[00:39:39]  So they asked.
[00:39:40]  Can you play the clip rock?
[00:39:40]  I'll find it.
[00:39:41]  And they asked the women, and none of them have ever been talked to.
[00:39:46]  But if you look, a couple of the women in there were actually girlfriends after they were adults and worked for Epstein for over a decade.
[00:39:52]  And it turns out worked for George Soros.
[00:39:55]  So, see, I'm not trying to demonize the women.
[00:39:56]  I'm just saying what you're seeing is not what you're actually getting here.
[00:40:01]  Okay.
[00:40:02]  And so it doesn't go down to all the kids that got eaten.
[00:40:06]  It doesn't go down to all the kids that got strangled and thrown aside.
[00:40:08]  Some of these girls that are up there, you're saying work for Soros?
[00:40:11]  One of them, I can pull it up, currently does on the Tides Foundation.
[00:40:14]  Play the clip rop.
[00:40:15]  So I'm going to put this as simply as I can.
[00:40:18]  And that is that Alex doesn't have the maturity to discuss these kinds of issues.
[00:40:22]  He absolutely cannot grasp what's being discussed.
[00:40:28]  And he is a disgusting monster when he tries.
[00:40:33]  Now, on a much more simple level, Alex is absolutely attacking Epstein victims.
[00:40:40]  He's saying, I don't want to demonize these people.
[00:40:43]  I don't know how you could say, like, the idea of just saying, well, I'm not demonizing the women.
[00:40:47]  It doesn't count if you've just demonized them.
[00:40:50]  Yes.
[00:40:50]  It doesn't count.
[00:40:51]  He's saying that they're speaking out as part of a limited hangout operation meant to obscure the deeper, darker stuff about kids being eaten.
[00:40:59]  If you're to believe what Alex is saying, then by definition, you have to believe that these victims are willing participants in a cover-up.
[00:41:05]  They're only telling their stories publicly because doing so helps cover up the worst stuff, which they ostensibly are getting paid for to cover this.
[00:41:15]  This is crisis actor stuff all over again.
[00:41:18]  100%.
[00:41:19]  This is monster behavior, but it's entirely in line with the way that Alex operates.
[00:41:24]  The only thing that matters is the narrative that he's pushing.
[00:41:26]  And all the people who get caught in the mix are just props.
[00:41:30]  He's willing to make child trafficking victims the villains if he thinks that doing so is going to make it easier for Trump to look good.
[00:41:37]  Yep.
[00:41:38]  And like, I was, I was legit, like, I can't believe you would do this.
[00:41:44]  I get a lot of the ways that Alex lies and shit, but I think that, I don't know, trying to put a target on Epstein victims.
[00:41:56]  I mean, it's pretty low.
[00:41:58]  I imagine so many people who believe themselves devout Christians, you know, and who are living through this time period who will eventually go to their pearly gates and have St. Peter just fucking laugh at them.
[00:42:12]  Like, dude, you carried so much water for Epstein.
[00:42:15]  What?
[00:42:16]  What?
[00:42:16]  What do you think you're getting in here?
[00:42:18]  Are you crazy?
[00:42:19]  Look at how much water you carried for Epstein.
[00:42:22]  But here's the issue.
[00:42:23]  I don't even think, like, let's take carrying water for Epstein out of the fucking equation.
[00:42:28]  Sure.
[00:42:29]  You can do that without also demonizing the victims.
[00:42:34]  Sure.
[00:42:34]  Absolutely.
[00:42:35]  That to me, I think whoever is letting people in or out of hell would take much more issue with it.
[00:42:40]  Alex isn't getting an interview.
[00:42:42]  Alex isn't getting an audition, buddy.
[00:42:44]  He's going straight down.
[00:42:45]  We don't need to worry about that.
[00:42:46]  No, man, he's got to go to someplace weirder than hell.
[00:42:49]  Like, hell seems too predictable.
[00:42:52]  Yeah.
[00:42:54]  The human brain can eventually equalize to anything.
[00:42:57]  You think, you know, it's just fire.
[00:42:59]  Sooner or later, you're like, literally, I don't even have any nerves to burn it.
[00:43:02]  He lives in Austin.
[00:43:03]  It's hot there.
[00:43:04]  Come on.
[00:43:05]  Yeah.
[00:43:05]  He needs to go to some sort of clown planet.
[00:43:07]  Yeah, crazy hell.
[00:43:11]  So Alex is somewhat complaining about the Epstein victims being involved in a cover-up, which listening to is horrific.
[00:43:19]  And it's also weird that he's fine with Trump being involved in the cover-up.
[00:43:24]  Great.
[00:43:25]  And that's what Trump should be pointing out.
[00:43:26]  You're the pedo party.
[00:43:27]  You're the sexualized kids party.
[00:43:29]  It's all the Democrats that are in these files.
[00:43:31]  But because there are so many big bankers and British royalty and all of it, he has been told.
[00:43:37]  That's what I was told.
[00:43:38]  Again, I've said this probably 100 times.
[00:43:40]  I said, Trump has been convinced that it will crash the economy if all these bankers and people, if this stuff comes out, and he thinks it justifies the means, it's too dangerous.
[00:43:49]  And look, Trump, I'm not pushing this.
[00:43:51]  I'm saying, let's look at his perspective.
[00:43:54]  The carbon tax is estimated by top experts.
[00:43:58]  They put him in in the next decade to kill 2 billion people by starvation or war.
[00:44:01]  Okay.
[00:44:02]  Trump just got us out of the Paris Accord.
[00:44:04]  They've secured the border.
[00:44:05]  They found half of the 500,000 missing children.
[00:44:08]  They've got no tax on tips.
[00:44:10]  The economy is starting to turn around.
[00:44:12]  It goes on and on and on and on and on.
[00:44:15]  Getting men out of women's sports, exposing.
[00:44:19]  That's okay then.
[00:44:20]  He should be covering up pedophiles.
[00:44:22]  It's men aren't in women's history.
[00:44:24]  I want Trump to succeed.
[00:44:25]  But he has to understand that this has become a litmus test.
[00:44:30]  They're not going to win here if they continue going this way.
[00:44:32]  If they continue fighting, opening it up, this is just going to make it seem like they're hiding something more and more and more.
[00:44:39]  So what should they do?
[00:44:40]  Should they release the whole thing?
[00:44:42]  What is the right move to make here?
[00:44:45]  And by the way, before you answer that question, guys, you've been asking this for a long time.
[00:44:49]  It's official.
[00:44:50]  Alex Jones is on Manect.
[00:44:52]  You can officially ask him any questions on Manect.
[00:44:55]  As soon as I saw that Alex was going to be on Patrick's show, I knew that part of it was going to be an announcement that Alex was on Manect.
[00:45:02]  We discussed this a little back on the episode where Patrick had Nick Fuentes on, but Manect is his platform that allows you to reach out to experts to give you advice for exorbitant rates.
[00:45:14]  Right.
[00:45:15]  Doesn't he charge like $10,000 an hour?
[00:45:17]  $48,000 for a half hour.
[00:45:19]  See, I was so unreasonable to my extent.
[00:45:23]  I didn't even imagine the truth.
[00:45:25]  Yeah.
[00:45:25]  And it's obvious that no one is paying that.
[00:45:28]  Yeah.
[00:45:28]  The only people who are stupid enough to pay that kind of a rate for someone like Patrick Bett David's time is not, they're not going to be able to afford it.
[00:45:35]  And anyone who can afford it could probably talk to him because they're really rich and they would be able to get a meeting with him.
[00:45:42]  Yeah.
[00:45:42]  Our, what was it that you said last?
[00:45:44]  Like, it's just money laundering.
[00:45:45]  Yes.
[00:45:46]  For sure, money laundering.
[00:45:47]  I think that, well, my first thought in the most benign version is that Patrick charges that much because he doesn't even want to go on anyone's shows.
[00:45:57]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:45:57]  And so you have this platform where some dipshit who no one's ever heard of can charge 20 bucks to go on a podcast or something.
[00:46:05]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:46:06]  And then you take a little cut.
[00:46:07]  Yeah.
[00:46:08]  And then you don't have to go on any of the podcasts yourself because it's 50 grand.
[00:46:11]  It's not at all like a multi-level marketing scheme.
[00:46:13]  Yes.
[00:46:14]  Not at all like that.
[00:46:15]  Not at all.
[00:46:15]  No.
[00:46:16]  But the more I thought about it, the more like this is perfect for money laundering.
[00:46:20]  It's the greatest money laundering scam you can have.
[00:46:22]  Yeah.
[00:46:23]  It allows you to have this platform where you can pay large amounts of money to people for essentially nothing.
[00:46:29]  Yep.
[00:46:29]  And it looks legit.
[00:46:30]  It looks so legit.
[00:46:31]  It's almost like some kind of rich backer could just give a bunch of money through this platform that wouldn't be traceable unless you were already investigating them for a different crime.
[00:46:42]  Yep.
[00:46:42]  Yep.
[00:46:43]  Consulting and advice type shit like this isn't always a scam, but it works great for that.
[00:46:49]  I'm sure that some of the people who have Manect accounts, like for them, it's just a situation where they're too racist or not famous enough to be on cameo.
[00:46:56]  So like I bet that they aren't getting money funneled to them through this.
[00:47:01]  Right.
[00:47:01]  But I bet a deep audit would reveal fraud.
[00:47:04]  I mean, I'm almost certain.
[00:47:06]  If it wasn't, I would actually be mad at them.
[00:47:10]  They should be committing fraud with this setup.
[00:47:13]  Yeah.
[00:47:13]  Right.
[00:47:13]  And I was looking at their leaderboards, which I don't know how much this reflects reality.
[00:47:19]  Sure.
[00:47:20]  But Patrick Bett David is one of the highest used.
[00:47:26]  50,000 for a half hour, and he's regularly used.
[00:47:29]  Well, I don't know if the number that got him to the point on the leaderboard is all those interviews or like a couple thousand dollars for a text message from him or whatever.
[00:47:39]  But whatever it is, it's too much.
[00:47:41]  Yikes.
[00:47:42]  I'm sure there's fraud.
[00:47:44]  And this next clip also kind of made me think that.
[00:47:46]  Oh, yeah?
[00:47:47]  You guys may have stories of Epstein angles, other questions, things you want to share with them.
[00:47:51]  You can officially menac them.
[00:47:52]  Go ahead, Alex.
[00:47:54]  By the way, that's a cool service of me to do that.

=== Recruit Alex: The Conspiracy Unfolds (15:57) ===

[00:47:57]  I know you couldn't.
[00:47:58]  It's in a better place now.
[00:47:59]  Absolutely.
[00:48:00]  So, did I answer your last question?
[00:48:03]  No.
[00:48:04]  Alex couldn't before.
[00:48:06]  Huh.
[00:48:07]  That's interesting.
[00:48:08]  Yeah.
[00:48:09]  What was the couldn't?
[00:48:10]  Well, it was probably because at the time his income would have gone to other people.
[00:48:17]  Huh.
[00:48:17]  So maybe now he's got an arrangement where the income that he would make from this wouldn't go to those people who maybe he owes a lot of money to.
[00:48:28]  Maybe he's gotten like everything with Big Lee set up and like it could be an extension of his Big League.
[00:48:33]  Maybe it's not really under his name.
[00:48:35]  Yeah, maybe.
[00:48:36]  Huh.
[00:48:37]  Anyway, doesn't seem shady.
[00:48:38]  Nope.
[00:48:39]  So Alex starts talking more shit about the victims.
[00:48:43]  Sure.
[00:48:44]  Why not?
[00:48:45]  We're here.
[00:48:46]  And it's not like if they had targets they could get, or even a few of their own people that could sacrifice, they do it.
[00:48:51]  They know it's a giant mess of BS and crap.
[00:48:55]  And then the women that are the victims of the survivors, almost all of them were, you know, got into it.
[00:49:01]  And that's how it works.
[00:49:02]  And we're actually Madam's out running these operations.
[00:49:06]  And now they've been recruited and snapped up by the Democrats and are now in the payroll.
[00:49:10]  That way, all the Democrats that are in there can be protected by the witnesses.
[00:49:14]  Oh, we're not going to talk about kids disappearing or beef jerky.
[00:49:17]  We're not going to talk about one piece of pizza that's glowing and loving and you're going to love it for seven people.
[00:49:22]  We're not going to talk about, oh, we'll deliver the.
[00:49:23]  These are in the files.
[00:49:24]  No, yes.
[00:49:25]  We'll deliver the seven, nine, and 12-year-old to the hot tub for your entertainment, Mr. Podesta.
[00:49:30]  But remember, they're children, but they're well-trained, but you've got to.
[00:49:32]  Yeah, oh, yeah.
[00:49:34]  And it's not just, it's also in the WikiLeaks files.
[00:49:37]  So all the same crap is in there that is in here.
[00:49:40]  Alex has almost no awareness of what's in the Epstein files that got released.
[00:49:44]  And one of the big tells is how much he needs to rely on old memories of Pizzagate in order to fill out these rants.
[00:49:51]  And the tranche of Epstein emails that got released, there was one that was discussing beef jerky, which idiots like Alex have decided must be about cannibalism.
[00:50:00]  The justification for this is that the person emailing with Epstein discusses freezing the meat, which social media dipshits pointed out isn't done when you're making jerky.
[00:50:10]  You just leave it out at room temperature and let it dry.
[00:50:12]  We've all seen alone.
[00:50:15]  The issue here is that that isn't true.
[00:50:17]  And that you can freeze meat as part of the jerky process, particularly when you're trying to make higher quality jerky.
[00:50:23]  Sure.
[00:50:24]  Also, these are emails between Epstein and a professional chef.
[00:50:27]  So this is fucking stupid.
[00:50:28]  Right.
[00:50:29]  And a bunch of nonsense.
[00:50:31]  Yeah.
[00:50:31]  The glowing pizza thing is Alex inaccurately describing an email between Epstein and an unknown person.
[00:50:37]  The subject line is the pizza monster.
[00:50:40]  And the first message is from the unknown party to Epstein.
[00:50:44]  And it's just an emoji.
[00:50:46]  Epstein replies, quote, she looks pregnant.
[00:50:49]  And the other person says, quote, you mean radiating a soft glow with a look of bliss and excitement.
[00:50:54]  Yeah, that's the pizza.
[00:50:56]  I guess it's possible that's goad, but it doesn't have to be.
[00:51:00]  I could see a scenario where this is two guys making fun of an overweight woman who ate a lot of pizza.
[00:51:06]  There are so many possible explanations.
[00:51:09]  Yeah.
[00:51:09]  What Alex does is he takes things like this and lies about them so they look like there's no plausible explanation for them other than his narrative.
[00:51:18]  We will not get better as a society until we understand that people who use information like this are exploiting horrible tragedy and pain in order to sell their shit.
[00:51:27]  And no sincere person would ever act like this.
[00:51:32]  We can't move forward until we all recognize that.
[00:51:35]  Yep.
[00:51:35]  Yep.
[00:51:37]  You know, I was listening to that, and I was just thinking, like, if you go through the plot of the Dark Knight, maybe 75 to 80% of the Joker's victims could have been canonically in the Epstein Files, which changes my opinion of whose team I'm on, because I'm pretty sure Wayne is definitely in the Epstein Files.
[00:52:02]  Well, I mean, do you count like the judge is totally in the Epstein files?
[00:52:07]  Probably the mayor?
[00:52:09]  But like some of the hench people end up calling them his victims.
[00:52:14]  That's true.
[00:52:14]  They are his victims.
[00:52:15]  And a lot of them would definitely not be in the Epstein Files.
[00:52:19]  I agree.
[00:52:19]  I agree.
[00:52:20]  This is the conflict at the heart of the Dark Knight, as opposed to the one that we all thought it was.
[00:52:25]  He blows up a hospital.
[00:52:26]  He does blow up a hospital.
[00:52:27]  That is a problem.
[00:52:28]  Harvey Dent wasn't in the Epstein Files.
[00:52:31]  Harvey Dent wasn't in the Epstein Files.
[00:52:33]  And he was punished for it.
[00:52:36]  By the Joker, though.
[00:52:38]  But the Joker was just about chaos or some shit.
[00:52:41]  Okay.
[00:52:42]  Whatever bullshit you want to throw around.
[00:52:43]  I don't know if this is going to stand up.
[00:52:45]  I don't think I'm going to keep this one in the canon.
[00:52:48]  I'm just saying that that's where my head went.
[00:52:51]  Okay.
[00:52:51]  Fair enough.
[00:52:52]  So someone else who dwells in chaos is one Roger Stone.
[00:52:56]  Well, not far off.
[00:52:58]  Yeah.
[00:52:59]  And, you know, I think that saying that the victims are actually, you know, villains and perpetrators, that's fucked up.
[00:53:06]  That's real fucked up.
[00:53:07]  But this is another really fucked up thing for Alex to say.
[00:53:10]  But everything Roger Stone told me back when he was trying to recruit me to support Trump, that Trump was going to win, which I've vetted and got into, he explained how it all worked and how they're going to attack Trump for this.
[00:53:22]  But it was really Trump first exposed it.
[00:53:24]  And then now all that stuff has come out because Roger lives here.
[00:53:27]  I mean, he's been at Marlato since Trump got it.
[00:53:29]  He's been the Trump's trip to hear it.
[00:53:31]  I mean, everything Roger's ever told me has been accurate.
[00:53:33]  Either Alex doesn't understand what he's saying or he knows that it doesn't matter and that anyone who likes his show is an idiot at this point.
[00:53:40]  He's literally saying that Roger Stone showed up in 2015 as part of trying to recruit Alex to support Trump.
[00:53:46]  Alex is supposed to be his own man and he's above the bullshit.
[00:53:50]  Just a guy who calls balls and strikes, not somebody who's recruitable.
[00:53:54]  If Roger showed up to recruit Alex, then it stands to reason that all of their interactions were part of that.
[00:54:00]  Roger's early on-air interviews were trial runs where they tested out if he could convince Alex to support Trump and checked how the audience reacted to that idea of the show making that leap.
[00:54:11]  There's another piece of this that's really damning, which is that Roger knew that Alex was recruitable and that Alex was willing to engage in the process of being recruited.
[00:54:21]  Roger and Alex knew that Infowars wasn't a news platform and it wasn't a rugged independent media operation.
[00:54:27]  They understood that this was a sales platform where Alex had a captive audience that he could sell bullshit to.
[00:54:33]  It was mostly boner pills at that point, but Roger saw the potential that Trump had as a product that Alex could sell.
[00:54:40]  There's one side of this that is a complete invalidation of Alex's self-mythology as a guy who just tells the truth and goes where God tells him to.
[00:54:47]  But there's another side of this that's probably a crime.
[00:54:51]  Previously to him working to recruit Alex, Roger was Trump's campaign manager.
[00:54:56]  And it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to understand that he was still operating as an extension of the Trump campaign when he went to recruit Alex.
[00:55:04]  There's a whole raft of election and campaign finance laws that they probably broke if what Alex is saying is accurate.
[00:55:11]  I know it doesn't matter anymore, but in previous times, this would probably get you sent to jail.
[00:55:17]  Yeah, well, I mean, he was sent to jail.
[00:55:20]  Well, I mean, Alex, too.
[00:55:22]  Oh, yeah.
[00:55:22]  Well, that's fair.
[00:55:23]  But yeah, Roger Stone committed so many crimes across so many elections that has changed the world.
[00:55:31]  It's true.
[00:55:32]  And he's free.
[00:55:34]  Yep.
[00:55:34]  Loki.
[00:55:35]  Great.
[00:55:36]  The thing I'm more interested in here than the law part is the integrity aspect.
[00:55:40]  Alex knew that Roger was a bad dude.
[00:55:44]  Yeah.
[00:55:45]  And he knew that Trump was a crook prior to Roger ever coming around.
[00:55:49]  The idea that he could run a media operation and humor Roger trying to recruit him to support a crook means that InfoWars was and probably always was for sale.
[00:55:59]  If Alex was the guy he always pretended to be, then the immediate response to Roger coming around and being like, hey, I want to get you on board would have been, fuck you.
[00:56:08]  I can't be bought.
[00:56:09]  I'm not interested in you trying to convince me that your friend, who I know is a crook, is actually secretly a good guy.
[00:56:18]  I don't want to hear that.
[00:56:19]  I'm just going to report the news.
[00:56:20]  If you're right, then the news will reflect that.
[00:56:23]  You'll get good coverage if he does good things.
[00:56:25]  Isn't that the iron of it?
[00:56:28]  Nobody ever expects to get good coverage because they're usually doing bad things.
[00:56:32]  Yeah.
[00:56:34]  But the fact that Alex can be like, Roger came to recruit me is like, well, yeah.
[00:56:43]  If you said that back then, no one would have listened.
[00:56:47]  Everyone would have been like, you sold out, you fucking loser.
[00:56:51]  North Korea sailed ballot boats to the Eastern seaboard.
[00:56:59]  It's true.
[00:56:59]  Now, that is something that, based upon what Alex said, is definitively true.
[00:57:05]  It's got to be.
[00:57:06]  Everything Roger has ever told him.
[00:57:07]  It has to be true.
[00:57:08]  Straight up.
[00:57:09]  It has to be true.
[00:57:10]  He's a good man.
[00:57:11]  He's a good man.
[00:57:12]  So, Alex, do you know this?
[00:57:14]  I don't know if you know this.
[00:57:16]  It's in the headlines.
[00:57:17]  Alex is actually in the Epstein files.
[00:57:20]  Nah, fine.
[00:57:20]  Yeah.
[00:57:21]  By the way, you were mentioned in the files, what, 14 times?
[00:57:24]  And I think in one of the letters, he said something negative about you and called the president an elephant.
[00:57:30]  I don't know what it was.
[00:57:32]  Jones is crazier than Trump or the elephant.
[00:57:36]  Who's Paul Krasner?
[00:57:37]  Who's Paul Krasner?
[00:57:38]  He's a globalist.
[00:57:41]  This is actually 16 we found now.
[00:57:43]  16.
[00:57:44]  Yeah, but I like the fact he doesn't like me.
[00:57:46]  That's a compliment.
[00:57:47]  Epstein wasn't saying that Alex was crazy, and there's no indication from this email that he had an opinion on Alex.
[00:57:53]  This was an email to Epstein from Paul Krasner about an article that was published on Alternet about Alex claiming that Robert Mueller was a demon and he was going to take him out or die trying.
[00:58:04]  Also, it's pretty clear that Alex has no clue who Krasner is, but he probably should.
[00:58:09]  He was a big counterculture satirist in the 60s and 70s, and he was a part of the Merry Pranksters.
[00:58:15]  So I feel like Alex.
[00:58:16]  Globalist.
[00:58:16]  Yeah, just some globalists.
[00:58:19]  They just traveled around doing a bunch of LSD and secretly giving it to a bunch of people.
[00:58:23]  So Alex, like, I get it.
[00:58:26]  He thinks that this is like a feather in his cap or whatever.
[00:58:29]  But like, they weren't really even talking about him.
[00:58:33]  Paul Krasner sent an email insulting Alex to Epstein.
[00:58:38]  Yeah.
[00:58:38]  Which is fine.
[00:58:40]  Optically, this is the best thing that could have happened to Alex regarding the Epstein files.
[00:58:45]  Yeah, and that's why he's like, I found even more.
[00:58:47]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:58:48]  This is perfect.
[00:58:49]  I'm in them, which means I'm super important, but also I'm actively the good guy.
[00:58:54]  So I've got that win.
[00:58:56]  Yeah.
[00:58:56]  You know a person by their enemies, and Epstein hated me.
[00:58:59]  Yep, yep, yep.
[00:59:00]  Great.
[00:59:01]  Yeah.
[00:59:02]  So Thomas Massey is.
[00:59:06]  Well, now that MTG has said, I'm out.
[00:59:09]  Yep.
[00:59:10]  He is the real Rand Paulian kind of figure.
[00:59:17]  Yeah.
[00:59:19]  Who's acting like, hey, I don't care about this party stuff.
[00:59:23]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:59:23]  He's fulfilling that role.
[00:59:25]  Yeah.
[00:59:26]  So he's doing that.
[00:59:27]  Until he's purchased.
[00:59:28]  Well, he might just be sort of cast aside because it turns out that Trump doesn't like him anymore.
[00:59:36]  And some of his fans maybe are turning.
[00:59:39]  I mean, there's so much to say about Massey.
[00:59:40]  I mean, here's the deal.
[00:59:43]  I've tracked this out of the people that got involved talking to Massey.
[00:59:49]  Emerald Robinson and so many others literally just got him asking questions a couple years ago, even before Trump got back in.
[00:59:56]  And Massey was on this because the American people want it.
[00:59:59]  That's why we're covering it.
[01:00:01]  And then Trump gets in and says, yeah, we're going to go look at it.
[01:00:05]  And then says, no, there's nothing there.
[01:00:07]  It's a hoax.
[01:00:07]  And we're like, what do you mean?
[01:00:08]  And now there's all these documents.
[01:00:10]  And then Trump starts saying we got to get rid of Massey.
[01:00:12]  He's a traitor.
[01:00:14]  Trump started that.
[01:00:15]  Trump is committing political suicide again with little cuts.
[01:00:20]  He ran off MTG.
[01:00:21]  I know the inside baseball on that.
[01:00:24]  And I still support him.
[01:00:25]  I've been nothing but persecuted, supporting him.
[01:00:27]  I don't get any money supporting him.
[01:00:28]  All he gets attacks and lawsuits by the Democrats.
[01:00:31]  Because overall, it's good what he's doing on so many fronts.
[01:00:34]  He's dismantling the globalists.
[01:00:35]  He's really bringing 20 trillion in jobs back, already about 8 trillion is invested.
[01:00:39]  He's already got energy prices down substantively.
[01:00:42]  But I have a responsibility still to report.
[01:00:44]  He went and started a fight with Massey.
[01:00:46]  Why?
[01:00:48]  And made weird statements about his wife after she died.
[01:00:51]  And then he attacked MTG.
[01:00:52]  Listen, MTG isn't running for senator, governor.
[01:00:54]  She's always been a successful woman in her own right.
[01:00:57]  Had a very successful construction company making tens of millions a year.
[01:00:59]  I talked to her, good friends with her.
[01:01:02]  I knew she was going to resign five days before she did.
[01:01:04]  She said, I think I'm going to step down.
[01:01:05]  I can't handle it.
[01:01:06]  And she said, Alex, this is off record.
[01:01:11]  But then later it came out.
[01:01:12]  She said it again.
[01:01:13]  So I can say it.
[01:01:14]  They had a deep fake AI saying that was called, though, from real statements she made, basically.
[01:01:19]  She goes, the last time I really talked to him at E-Link, he just said, you know, listen, we can't have these files come out because it'll hurt the stock market.
[01:01:27]  It'll discredit America, the faith of credit, basically, and it'll embarrass my friends.
[01:01:31]  Who said that?
[01:01:31]  Trump said it to her.
[01:01:34]  And now you got Bondi yesterday saying it in the Congress.
[01:01:38]  You may start to notice a little bit of a pattern here.
[01:01:41]  When Trump wasn't in power, folks like Massey and MTG were incited to make a huge deal out of the child trafficking and Epstein stuff as a way of attacking the Biden administration.
[01:01:52]  They were crusading heroes trying to get to the bottom of this case, and their reputations were impeccable in Alex's dipshit media circle.
[01:02:00]  Then Trump got back into office, and there was a bit of an unspoken expectation that they cut that shit out.
[01:02:06]  It's pretty obvious that a full accounting of the Epstein case and the people who were complicit or even just financially entangled would threaten both Democrat and Republican figures.
[01:02:16]  So it's only advantageous to act like you're taking it seriously when Trump is not in power.
[01:02:21]  With Trump in power, if you get all this stuff released, you're going to get some Democrats in trouble, but you're also going to have some Trump allies taken out in the process.
[01:02:31]  Ultimately, it's a net negative to the party in power for this stuff to come out when they're in charge.
[01:02:36]  So the idea was supposed to be that you use this stuff to get into office, then let it go.
[01:02:41]  Bondi tried to do the binder PR stunt as a way of pretending you had a big win, which she clearly hoped would pacify the folks on her side of the media who were still asking questions.
[01:02:52]  But Massey and MTG are two examples of politicians who didn't get the memo that they aren't really supposed to care about this story.
[01:03:00]  They continued pushing for release and transparency after Trump got back in office, which made them traitors to the GOP.
[01:03:07]  The party exists as a means of maintaining Trump's hold on power.
[01:03:11]  So if you're acting in a way that threatens that, you are a traitor.
[01:03:16]  Alex could act like this, and his career is based on pretending that's who he was, but it's all an act.
[01:03:22]  He got recruited, and his job is to defend Trump, which is how we end up here.
[01:03:27]  Alex is still pretending to care about this story, but he really just cares about a fictional version of it with all the stuff about beef jerky and all that shit.
[01:03:35]  He's made his choice to just accept that his chosen leader is a willing participant in the cover-up of this shit.
[01:03:40]  So the best option he has available is to just do Pizza Gate stuff all over again.
[01:03:46]  Pretend you really, really care about a fake thing in order to distract people from the real stuff that your hero is involved in.

=== Ends Justify the Means? (15:38) ===

[01:03:55]  Yeah.
[01:03:55]  Great.
[01:03:56]  Yeah.
[01:03:57]  Fucking bullshit.
[01:03:58]  Yeah.
[01:03:59]  This reminds me of like one of the things that people like to say is that the ends justify the means or they don't or everything.
[01:04:07]  But the reality is that there's only the means.
[01:04:11]  Because the end is not the end.
[01:04:14]  You still have to keep going.
[01:04:15]  The end is you're dead.
[01:04:16]  So if you haven't ended, then you keep going.
[01:04:19]  So that idea that so many people in the right had in 2015 of like, you know what?
[01:04:26]  I know that Trump is a bad guy.
[01:04:28]  I personally know that Trump is a bad guy.
[01:04:30]  Yeah, a lot of them said it.
[01:04:31]  Exactly.
[01:04:32]  But we have to have them in power.
[01:04:34]  That is the definition of the means.
[01:04:38]  There's no ends.
[01:04:39]  It's just because you used Trump, Trump uses you.
[01:04:43]  There's no ends to that.
[01:04:45]  And he's willing to do means that you're not.
[01:04:49]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:04:50]  So you have fucked up.
[01:04:52]  Yep.
[01:04:53]  Yep.
[01:04:53]  They all really, really, really fucked up.
[01:04:55]  And Alex, at least, like, for his part in all this, I think he recognizes like, I'm just fucked now.
[01:05:02]  Yeah.
[01:05:03]  This is just who I am.
[01:05:04]  You got no.
[01:05:05]  He's leaned into the character, I guess, of Toad worm.
[01:05:13]  So Alex is like, hey, were you looking for worm tongue?
[01:05:16]  No, I was looking for, I think, Toady.
[01:05:18]  Toady?
[01:05:18]  Toady.
[01:05:19]  Stop before the why for some reason.
[01:05:22]  I think I had Toady and Bootlicker in my head at the same time.
[01:05:26]  Right, right.
[01:05:27]  Like, it just came out.
[01:05:28]  And then if you said toad liquor, you would have said a very different thing.
[01:05:31]  Yeah, then we're back to Tyson.
[01:05:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:34]  Alex's buddy.
[01:05:35]  He's free, though.
[01:05:36]  So Alex is talking about Trump.
[01:05:39]  He's like, I don't understand why he's attacking his own allies over this.
[01:05:43]  It's just dumb.
[01:05:44]  But Roger Stone, when he was president-elect, said, hey, just so you know, this Epson thinks would be a big problem.
[01:05:50]  And Roger doesn't mind me saying this now.
[01:05:51]  But he said, Trump's had the CIA come to him.
[01:05:54]  He didn't tell me what Trump said, but they have dinner all the time.
[01:05:56]  And he goes, Trump thinks it's going to ruin the economy and it's a big tar baby.
[01:06:01]  And the Democrats have had the file and it's a setup.
[01:06:04]  And the intelligence agencies say it could bring down the whole country.
[01:06:06]  So don't expect Trump to, you know.
[01:06:10]  But again, you can see how it's an unending fiasco.
[01:06:13]  Like, in a way, Trump's right, but you still, you can't let them get away with what they did.
[01:06:17]  And again, it's 99% Democrats.
[01:06:19]  So he's giving his main enemies the victory.
[01:06:24]  And then he's talking about how Bill Clinton's a great guy and a nice guy and too bad.
[01:06:28]  He's got to testify to Congress about this.
[01:06:30]  And Ghislaine Maxwell's a nice person, you know, obviously trying to defuse things.
[01:06:34]  And then meanwhile, he comes after MTG, who would literally, you know, eat his shit off the floor previously if he asked her to to save the country.
[01:06:42]  And Thomas Massey, who's like a Ron Paul type, who's just very, very serious about his convictions.
[01:06:49]  And so Trump turned them into enemies, made them more popular.
[01:06:53]  Massey's more popular, even though they're trying to primary him, and put out that lie that she was polling bad.
[01:06:59]  So that's why she didn't want to run.
[01:07:02]  Trump didn't want to run for the Senate.
[01:07:03]  She didn't want to run for the Senate.
[01:07:05]  So they just make up this bull.
[01:07:07]  They attack their own party.
[01:07:09]  And it's the stupidest thing ever.
[01:07:11]  It's hard to listen to Alex explain this situation and feel like he's not being intentionally obtuse.
[01:07:17]  Right?
[01:07:18]  None of the behaviors Alex is describing from Trump are dumb.
[01:07:21]  They're just transparently corrupt.
[01:07:22]  Yeah.
[01:07:23]  No one would act like this unless they had a very strong reason to.
[01:07:27]  It makes total sense to attack your allies if they're trying to investigate and publicize the crimes that your best friend committed with a bunch of your other friends.
[01:07:35]  It makes total sense to play nice with the other Epstein friends who may know stuff about your friendship with him and who might speak up about some of that stuff if you're too mean to them.
[01:07:45]  Trump's actions all make sense if you view him as someone with a lot to lose from this shit going totally public.
[01:07:51]  But even leaving that aside, just based on what Alex is saying, Trump should be deposed and thrown in jail.
[01:07:58]  Absolutely.
[01:07:59]  He hasn't entirely corrupted the Department of Justice and politicized this investigation in a way that makes it probably impossible to undo any of this stuff.
[01:08:09]  And it's probably made it impossible to prosecute some of these cases in the future.
[01:08:13]  Yes, the legal system is incapable of dealing with this.
[01:08:17]  Yeah, in a way that maybe some of these cases could have been prosecuted.
[01:08:20]  Possibly.
[01:08:20]  They're certainly not now.
[01:08:21]  Nope.
[01:08:22]  Just based on what Alex's description of his actions are, Trump is covering up a child trafficking and cannibalism ring that's run 99% by his enemies because if he were to let the information come to light, it would be bad for the economy.
[01:08:36]  This is the definition of someone who is captive to a conspiracy.
[01:08:40]  If we take what Alex is saying seriously, then any conspiracy can be justified so long as it would be bad for the economy to reveal it.
[01:08:48]  He thinks Trump is covering this up, but he still supports Trump, which means that covering up a satanic cannibal cabal is not a deal breaker, so long as you can argue that not covering it up is bad for the economy.
[01:09:01]  I feel like everything in Alex's career involves trying to demand public accountability for things that would result in damage to the economy.
[01:09:09]  If it came out in 2004 that Bush did 9-11, does Alex think that that wouldn't have hurt the economy?
[01:09:16]  Assuming that Alex was right about that conspiracy, why wouldn't you just say that revealing that information would be bad for the economy?
[01:09:22]  So you should still, you're still obligated to support Bush.
[01:09:26]  Weapons manufacturers' stocks would have dropped very far.
[01:09:28]  This is fucking dumb.
[01:09:30]  Yeah.
[01:09:30]  And if you've established that this is your, I mean, here's what's really happened, right?
[01:09:37]  You've established that this versus this equals bad for the economy.
[01:09:42]  So I am willing to accept this, right?
[01:09:45]  But that means that you are willing to accept that.
[01:09:49]  It doesn't matter who's doing it.
[01:09:51]  Like, if Biden was doing it, your equation is still the same.
[01:09:55]  Biden releasing these files would damage the economy.
[01:09:59]  The only difference is there is no difference.
[01:10:01]  Right.
[01:10:02]  But in that case, this argument doesn't get made.
[01:10:06]  Right, exactly.
[01:10:06]  Because it's all smoke and mirrors.
[01:10:09]  Which is why, if you're clever, you don't put this out there as a real thing that you could be held.
[01:10:16]  I mean, obviously, Alex can do it because nobody gives a goddamn.
[01:10:20]  But it's like for a real person, you wouldn't get yourself caught up right here with a statement like that.
[01:10:27]  Yeah, if you were someone who was held to account for your past words and beliefs, this would be a really bad thing to put on the record.
[01:10:34]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:10:35]  Nothing means anything and continuity isn't real.
[01:10:38]  No, the idea of somebody being like, oh, I mean, you know, if Obama had actually gotten the public option and still was here, I would be like, yeah, fuck that guy.
[01:10:49]  I don't give a shit.
[01:10:50]  I don't give a shit.
[01:10:51]  He was in here.
[01:10:52]  Get him the fuck out.
[01:10:54]  You know?
[01:10:55]  So Patrick asks Alex an interesting question, and that is, hey, during that first administration, Trump was firing people all over the place.
[01:11:04]  Yeah.
[01:11:04]  He doesn't seem to be firing people.
[01:11:06]  Weird.
[01:11:07]  And Alex is like, yeah, good point.
[01:11:09]  I have to pee.
[01:11:10]  What happened to the Trump that would fire people?
[01:11:13]  First administration he was in, he fired Skiramucci within 10 days.
[01:11:18]  I think 30 to 40 people that he appointed, he fired.
[01:11:21]  This time around, I think his retention, he went from 43% turnover on the first term.
[01:11:29]  Right now, they're at 28, 29%.
[01:11:31]  How come he's not firing anybody?
[01:11:32]  I'd like to ask that question, but I have had a bunch of tea and coffee.
[01:11:35]  I'd like to use a restroom.
[01:11:36]  I'd like to piss like a Russian racehorse right there to your left.
[01:11:39]  You want to go through that, Rob?
[01:11:40]  A very suspenseful, a very suspenseful mission to shake a branch.
[01:11:45]  Go do your thing.
[01:11:46]  Go to your thing.
[01:11:47]  So that's interruption one.
[01:11:51]  And then Alex comes back and I think he thought the subject would just change.
[01:11:55]  Yeah, it would just change because we've left the room.
[01:11:58]  We've entered a new room.
[01:11:59]  Brand new slate.
[01:12:00]  No continuity.
[01:12:01]  No one has any memory of things.
[01:12:03]  But Patrick, I think, has some notes.
[01:12:05]  No.
[01:12:05]  Because he asks exactly the same question.
[01:12:07]  First administration, President Trump fired a lot of people.
[01:12:11]  Mooch got fired within 10 days.
[01:12:13]  Nearly 40 people he appointed got fired.
[01:12:15]  Turnover was 43%.
[01:12:17]  Now turnover's in the 20s.
[01:12:19]  He's not firing people.
[01:12:20]  Why is he not firing people?
[01:12:24]  I've got a good idea about that, but I didn't answer your question from 30 minutes ago.
[01:12:29]  I should probably answer that first because it answers this question.
[01:12:33]  You asked me what should it be about Epstein?
[01:12:37]  No notes.
[01:12:38]  And I really didn't answer your question, but I didn't explain it right.
[01:12:40]  The answer is you can't tell me things he doesn't listen.
[01:12:43]  I mean, he's gotten to that point now where he would listen to certain people, and if you could give him facts, he would change his mind.
[01:12:49]  And he's gotten to the point where that's not the case.
[01:12:51]  And now, if someone just kisses his ass and buy that, it's nothing that he even wants the attention.
[01:12:59]  If they don't argue with him, then they can just stay around as long as they just tell him what he wants to hear because he is beyond confident.
[01:13:08]  At 79, he's just.
[01:13:10]  Seems like Alex doesn't want to answer that question.
[01:13:13]  And I think part of the reason, the little clue you can get, is from the answer that he does give to a different question.
[01:13:19]  Essentially, he's saying that Trump isn't firing anyone because personnel doesn't matter anymore.
[01:13:24]  The people he has in his administration aren't substantial people who even have the ability to think for themselves or disagree with him.
[01:13:31]  They're all rubber-stamp sycophants.
[01:13:34]  Everyone who could be up for one of these positions has experienced the past 10 years of history, and they know that Trump only values loyalty.
[01:13:42]  They know that acting as an independent public servant is just going to get you fired and likely will lead to tons of death threats from Trump fans.
[01:13:49]  Basically, the answer to this question is that the government isn't a government anymore, and Trump doesn't need to fire a ton of people because the only people left who would take these positions are people who already understand that they work for Trump.
[01:14:03]  They don't work for the United States or for the public.
[01:14:06]  Trump signs their checks, and he's created an environment where everyone there understands that.
[01:14:12]  You fire people when they don't know their role.
[01:14:16]  The people there know their role.
[01:14:17]  Pam Bondi knows her fucking role.
[01:14:19]  Man, this is an amazing question.
[01:14:22]  This is an amazing question because I put myself into this space and like I would need to have a meeting before the interview to process he was going to ask this question.
[01:14:34]  Because if you surprise me with this question, even if I'm in Alex's shoes, my job is to carry water, you know, that whole thing.
[01:14:41]  My first instinct is still, what are you fucking dumb?
[01:14:44]  Or do you want me to make up an answer that sounds plausible?
[01:14:47]  You got to let me know which in advance, though.
[01:14:50]  You just want to.
[01:14:51]  Because I think you're fucking dumb right now.
[01:14:53]  Sure.
[01:14:54]  If you genuinely ask that question, I'm worried about you and I don't think you should be allowed outside of a rubber room.
[01:15:01]  He's asking that question to get a good enough answer in the same way that he has follow-up questions for Alex about the lies.
[01:15:08]  Exactly.
[01:15:08]  Just give me a good enough thing.
[01:15:10]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:15:11]  This is what you needed.
[01:15:12]  You needed a meeting with Alex to be like, hey, I'm going to ask you this question.
[01:15:16]  Don't run away.
[01:15:17]  Make up something just mildly plausible.
[01:15:18]  Why doesn't even need to be mildly plausible?
[01:15:20]  Just slightly plausible.
[01:15:21]  Alex literally ran away.
[01:15:23]  Exactly.
[01:15:23]  And then ran away from the question a second.
[01:15:25]  Exactly.
[01:15:26]  You got to have a meeting with me in advance.
[01:15:28]  Otherwise, I'm worried about you, man.
[01:15:30]  I think that Alex just doesn't know what is a good answer to this.
[01:15:34]  Well, I mean, we live in a world where their motives and their actions are, for the first time in our lives, in perfect accord.
[01:15:43]  The government's motives and its actions have always been at odds with each other for so long.
[01:15:48]  But now when you see somebody do something, you go, oh, the reason they did that is because they wanted the result of what they did.
[01:15:54]  I don't know about imperfect accord, but it is closer.
[01:15:57]  It's a close.
[01:15:58]  I grant you that point.
[01:16:00]  It's sucks.
[01:16:02]  Why did they do that?
[01:16:03]  Because they got a thing from it.
[01:16:05]  See?
[01:16:06]  It's perfect.
[01:16:07]  We live in a simpler time.
[01:16:09]  So Alex's description of Trump is a pretty terrifying vision of a president.
[01:16:14]  And you really have to wonder how he can explain Trump this way and still support him.
[01:16:18]  He's a mad king who doesn't listen to any of his advisors, who's actively covering up a cannibalism ring.
[01:16:24]  It makes you wonder why Obama was so intolerable to Alex.
[01:16:28]  Like, he was ready to start a revolution over that.
[01:16:30]  And he just had a tan suit, man.
[01:16:32]  Well, that was Fox.
[01:16:34]  I don't know if Alex cared about the suit.
[01:16:36]  That's fair.
[01:16:36]  He cared about some other things.
[01:16:37]  He cared about some other things.
[01:16:39]  Maybe not the color of the clothes.
[01:16:40]  The color of the clothes was probably secondary to one other.
[01:16:45]  Yeah.
[01:16:46]  So Alex eventually just comes down to it, and he doesn't have an answer for why Trump is firing.
[01:16:52]  I'm not going to do anything anything, and I will let him do anything.
[01:16:55]  Here, listen to this amazing moment.
[01:17:00]  Why he's not firing people.
[01:17:01]  I mean, I don't know specifically.
[01:17:02]  That's I know pieces of it.
[01:17:05]  I mean, he replaced Waltz.
[01:17:06]  Waltz went from, you know, one position to another position.
[01:17:10]  That's not a fire.
[01:17:11]  You're moving somebody, right, to kind of safe face with media.
[01:17:15]  But there's a lot of people that Trump 1.0 would have fired that he's not doing today.
[01:17:20]  Why?
[01:17:22]  I don't know the answer to that question.
[01:17:24]  What do you think?
[01:17:24]  Is it media?
[01:17:25]  Is it controlling contact business?
[01:17:30]  You help me.
[01:17:31]  You help me!
[01:17:34]  He doesn't want to have the embarrassment of someone being fired.
[01:17:38]  He thinks that legitimizes that there's a scandal.
[01:17:40]  Oh, my God.
[01:17:41]  That's wrong.
[01:17:42]  And so, yeah, that's his main reason.
[01:17:44]  I mean, you just answered your question for him.
[01:17:46]  Yes.
[01:17:46]  Trump doesn't.
[01:17:47]  He did answer his question for him.
[01:17:49]  He did.
[01:17:50]  He did exactly that because you fucked up.
[01:17:53]  Yep.
[01:17:53]  You dropped the ball, buddy.
[01:17:55]  This is a great example of how truth is created collaboratively with Alex.
[01:18:00]  Patrick is asking him why Trump hasn't fired people in his second term, and Alex is very clear.
[01:18:05]  He doesn't know.
[01:18:05]  He doesn't have an answer.
[01:18:06]  We all know.
[01:18:07]  He ran away.
[01:18:08]  He doesn't want to talk about this.
[01:18:09]  We all know why.
[01:18:10]  I don't want to tell you why because that makes me feel bad.
[01:18:12]  So Patrick offers a possible answer, which is that Trump wants to save face with the media.
[01:18:16]  Oh, shit, that's a great answer.
[01:18:18]  That's probably the true answer.
[01:18:19]  Alex jumps on it, and that is now his answer.
[01:18:22]  Alex doesn't just respond by saying that this sounds possible.
[01:18:25]  He now has heard that this is the case from important White House sources.
[01:18:29]  Totally.
[01:18:29]  Alex had no answer before, but now mere seconds later, he has sources.
[01:18:34]  This is all a game, and none of it means anything.
[01:18:37]  And it's embarrassing for Patrick to pretend that this is a real conversation.
[01:18:41]  Yeah, that's sad.
[01:18:43]  Also, if Alex believes this to be true, it's grounds to impeach Trump.
[01:18:46]  He refuses to fire incompetent people in charge of government agencies because he's worried that it would make him look bad, which means he is not serving the public interest.
[01:18:55]  This is a sham.
[01:18:57]  Yeah.
[01:18:58]  Yeah, I wonder if there is like a who are you talking to moment these people have, you know?
[01:19:05]  Because I worry, I genuinely worry about the health of people who look at what's going on and don't understand at least most of it.
[01:19:15]  Right?
[01:19:16]  Like, how can you, I don't know what our edge, our education system is fully broken if you can convince yourself what's happening is not what's happening.
[01:19:24]  Yep.
[01:19:25]  And I think that our education system is broken if you can listen to an interview like this and not have just red sirens going off.

=== Drone Questions Through the Border (10:41) ===

[01:19:34]  Hold on a second.
[01:19:34]  $48,000 for somebody to ask a question like that.
[01:19:39]  Amazing.
[01:19:40]  $48,000.
[01:19:44]  Consultancy.
[01:19:45]  Boof.
[01:19:46]  This fucking dipshit is going to be consulting.
[01:19:49]  Why do you think he's not firing people?
[01:19:53]  You're fired.
[01:19:54]  I can't believe you would ask me.
[01:19:56]  I would like my 48 grand.
[01:19:57]  It should be against the law for you to ask me that question.
[01:20:00]  So we move on to another topic, and that is that recently the airspace around the El Paso airport got closed.
[01:20:08]  Sure.
[01:20:09]  And it was all confusing.
[01:20:10]  Everyone's like, what the fuck's going on?
[01:20:11]  What the fuck is going on there?
[01:20:12]  And so Patrick wants to know what the fuck was going on there.
[01:20:14]  What the fuck was going on there?
[01:20:15]  All right, let's go to the next story, El Paso.
[01:20:19]  Shutting down the airport till February 20th.
[01:20:21]  At first, they told us it was because of a, what did they see?
[01:20:27]  Mexican cartel drones.
[01:20:29]  The clips came out.
[01:20:30]  Rob, if you want to play this clip, these are the clips that we've seen.
[01:20:34]  Do you see the clips up top?
[01:20:36]  Apparently, those are drones.
[01:20:38]  Some people questioning whether they're drones or not.
[01:20:40]  Some people want to know if he is using his favorite weapon that they use in Venezuela.
[01:20:45]  You know which one I'm talking about?
[01:20:47]  He calls it the what?
[01:20:48]  This combobulator.
[01:20:49]  You know, what is going on here, Alex, with El Paso?
[01:20:54]  We haven't shut down the airport since 9-11, and it was shut down for two days.
[01:20:57]  I got to pay you.
[01:20:58]  That's 9-11.
[01:20:59]  And now you're shutting down 10 days for drones?
[01:21:04]  Well, we know that's down there about Joint Task Force 6, and it was our own Breonna Morello over at InfoWars that actually broke this early yesterday morning.
[01:21:12]  She is a Pentagon liaison to the Pentagon.
[01:21:16]  And when she called, they said, you know, we really can't make a comment.
[01:21:20]  And then she first got the news that, yeah, it was Mexican drones.
[01:21:23]  And then now we know they're doing a drill.
[01:21:26]  They've admitted an anti-drone attack training.
[01:21:31]  And to do this, you mean a psych that's going to turn into an actual habitat?
[01:21:34]  You're there in El Paso.
[01:21:35]  It's in the middle of the city.
[01:21:37]  It's all surrounded.
[01:21:37]  It's right through the border.
[01:21:38]  All drills are attacked.
[01:21:39]  It's not really overall a lie at the end of the day because every week now, they're having drones come up into El Paso.
[01:21:45]  They're having drones harass the Border Patrol and the Army and Marines that are down there now.
[01:21:50]  The Marines are in some areas of the border.
[01:21:52]  Yeah, you love that, don't you?
[01:21:53]  Jesus Christ.
[01:21:54]  So the airspace around the El Paso airport was reopened hours after it was closed.
[01:21:59]  Although initially, the FAA announced that it would be closed for 10 days.
[01:22:03]  What happened here is that the Department of War wanted to test a high-power anti-drone laser, but the FAA didn't think that was safe to do around commercial aircraft.
[01:22:12]  The two agencies were supposed to be negotiating a time and place that this could be done safely, but the Department of War went ahead with their plans to test the laser, so the FAA shut down the airspace around the El Paso airport.
[01:22:23]  Well, you know, that's a good sign when the Department of War does not give a shit.
[01:22:27]  Yep.
[01:22:28]  That's a great sign.
[01:22:28]  And these agencies are not working together.
[01:22:31]  Nope.
[01:22:31]  It's good, good stuff.
[01:22:32]  It's worked well in the past.
[01:22:34]  I appreciate the feelings of, because, you know, we say the FAA and the Department of War, but actually what happened, what had to have happened at some point, was one human being said, we're going to shoot a laser.
[01:22:46]  And another human being said, please don't.
[01:22:48]  And it was probably Pete Hegseth and he was drunk.
[01:22:51]  Please do not do this.
[01:22:53]  I don't have the authority to order you not to do it, but you know it's a bad idea.
[01:22:57]  Come on.
[01:22:58]  Okay, fine.
[01:22:59]  According to NBC News, the Department of War used the laser on what it believed to be a drone, but it ended up just being a party balloon.
[01:23:06]  This was unauthorized by the FAA, who shut down flights to protect travelers from government lasers.
[01:23:12]  The government is run by clowns who refuse to work together, and we're probably going to have some major disasters caused by this in the future.
[01:23:18]  But for now, it's just kind of a weird thing that happened.
[01:23:22]  I'm feeling like this episode is like a race for how close to and then how far away from the Joker we're going to feel.
[01:23:31]  You know, like, oh, I'm getting closer.
[01:23:33]  We'll pull back a little bit.
[01:23:34]  Pull back a little bit.
[01:23:35]  We don't need to be that far.
[01:23:36]  Ah, now we're shooting lasers at drones and not telling anybody.
[01:23:39]  Oh, I'm getting fucking close.
[01:23:41]  You can't have the secretary of Joker.
[01:23:45]  You can't have that.
[01:23:46]  Whether there's organization.
[01:23:47]  Fair enough.
[01:23:48]  Fair enough.
[01:23:49]  I can't have a deputy Joker.
[01:23:50]  There's a time and a place for a Joker.
[01:23:53]  Yeah.
[01:23:54]  But I think more interestingly about this is what you brought up when you were just listening to it.
[01:23:59]  I mean, how do you not?
[01:24:00]  This is a drill?
[01:24:01]  This is a drill.
[01:24:01]  This is a drill?
[01:24:02]  He's supposed to be very suspicious about drills.
[01:24:05]  They're always cover for a false flag.
[01:24:07]  Are you telling me it's just a drill?
[01:24:10]  He should be responding differently to this.
[01:24:12]  That's weird.
[01:24:12]  It's very strange.
[01:24:13]  Yeah.
[01:24:14]  No, a whole bunch of people should be fucking occupying some shit in a forest somewhere because of this fake drill or whatever it is.
[01:24:22]  Yep.
[01:24:23]  Jesus.
[01:24:23]  So Alex talks more about this drill.
[01:24:25]  And again, it's just like, wait, what the fuck?
[01:24:27]  What's your career been?
[01:24:29]  It's technically, from what we've seen, not true that this was a drone attack.
[01:24:32]  And obviously that big line of bigger drones.
[01:24:35]  Although that's the drone protection grid that they've got on ground and in air, they've got a bunch of new systems.
[01:24:42]  Israel has some really powerful ones too, but whatever you're being shown is not the really good stuff they've got.
[01:24:46]  And so from what I've been told and from our sources, they're doing at least a 10-day drill on controlling that airspace and that they're going to be launching their own simulated attacks by cartels or by even foreign governments or terrorists for control.
[01:25:02]  And that Trump then wants to get the money, because it's pretty inexpensive comparatively, to put up drone defense network systems over every city.
[01:25:10]  And that's the lower level integration to the higher level anti-missile defense system, Golden Dome.
[01:25:16]  But shutting it out for 10 days to do that?
[01:25:20]  Shutting it out for 10 days?
[01:25:22]  That's a little weird to shut it down for 10 days, no?
[01:25:25]  Yeah, they're doing a lot of training.
[01:25:26]  They're doing a lot of drills there.
[01:25:27]  I mean, I'm not defending it.
[01:25:28]  Alex is very defensive, particularly about how he's not defending the idea of the Trump administration doing a 10-day military drill that shuts down the airspace around an international airport.
[01:25:39]  Oh, my God.
[01:25:40]  He has to be defensive about this because in the past, he would have made a documentary about the government doing something like this.
[01:25:46]  His career is based on misinformation about footage he shot at urban warfare drills.
[01:25:51]  So when Patrick challenges him on the idea that this is no big deal, Alex knows that he's supposed to be more upset about this kind of thing.
[01:25:59]  But the irony is that him being neutral on it is support.
[01:26:06]  His default state, his resting heart rate is being furious about this.
[01:26:12]  So this is a huge cooldown.
[01:26:15]  And on top of this, that Alex is just making up the stuff about how there was a plan to do a 10-day drill here.
[01:26:20]  And you kind of see what type of liar he is.
[01:26:23]  But let's play around with this idea for a second.
[01:26:26]  If there was a plan to shut down the airspace for 10 days to do this drill, why wasn't anyone informed about it?
[01:26:33]  Why was the FAA caught off guard to the point where scheduled flights had to be canceled?
[01:26:38]  That seems like a pretty big question.
[01:26:39]  Those urban warfare drills that Alex went to in his early career were planned in advance.
[01:26:44]  And the only reason he was able to go film them is because they were announced publicly.
[01:26:49]  Training drills aren't a surprise.
[01:26:51]  They're not supposed to be, at least.
[01:26:53]  No, and this was a surprise.
[01:26:56]  Because attacks are surprise.
[01:26:58]  Surprise attacks.
[01:26:59]  Not surprise training.
[01:27:00]  That's not how it goes.
[01:27:01]  No.
[01:27:02]  No.
[01:27:02]  Nope.
[01:27:03]  No good.
[01:27:03]  Yeah, usually there's all kinds of announcements made.
[01:27:07]  Yeah, this is some bullshit.
[01:27:09]  And it's particularly bullshit because of the reasons that you were bumping on.
[01:27:13]  Just this, like, your career is being pissed off.
[01:27:19]  You were just, you're making a mockery of everything you're supposed to stand for.
[01:27:23]  I just, I mean, that's sad.
[01:27:27]  It is, we've, I mean, it's sad.
[01:27:30]  It's sad.
[01:27:32]  I want him to feel more sad.
[01:27:34]  I want him to sound sad.
[01:27:35]  I want him to be like fucking droopy dog.
[01:27:38]  Like, he should be on here going like, like, this is ridiculous.
[01:27:42]  Well, I think that, you know, eventually that will come.
[01:27:46]  Yeah.
[01:27:46]  Because this game doesn't play out forever.
[01:27:49]  It can't.
[01:27:50]  No.
[01:27:50]  And, you know, Trump, you know, they're probably in as much as, you know, if there will be midterms, they're going to lose those.
[01:27:58]  Yeah.
[01:27:59]  And, you know, everything will change once his relationship to power changes.
[01:28:03]  Yeah.
[01:28:04]  Whether or not that power exists anymore or if that power becomes like explicitly and outwardly violent, he's going to have to change something.
[01:28:12]  And maybe a droopy dog is possible.
[01:28:15]  It would at least be more entertaining for me.
[01:28:17]  Sure.
[01:28:18]  Or at least more palatable for me.
[01:28:19]  So Patrick asked about the discombobulator, which is a secret weapon that Trump apparently used in capturing Maduro.
[01:28:29]  Good.
[01:28:29]  And Alex discusses what this weapon might be.
[01:28:32]  Great.
[01:28:32]  When Trump talks about, and he has his science are talk about we've taken control of matter in time and space, they have a lot of theoretical physics systems where you over a wide area can create an effect that the Germans in World War II discovered that dealt with anti-gravity.
[01:28:53]  The problem was when you turned on this effect, they have different names for it.
[01:28:58]  It would make everybody completely nauseous.
[01:29:00]  And if you kept turning up, he'll kill people.
[01:29:02]  So that's why they were waiting with anti-grav.
[01:29:05]  They need computers and robots because it doesn't affect silicone.
[01:29:08]  Yeah, there's the Nazi bell and it was de Glock and all those effects.
[01:29:14]  So that's what you're talking about.
[01:29:16]  So it's a whole area of physics.
[01:29:18]  Yeah, cool.
[01:29:19]  Good.
[01:29:20]  Glad Trump has access to those kinds of weapons and Alex isn't concerned.
[01:29:26]  I feel like he would have been worried.
[01:29:28]  I'm speechless.
[01:29:29]  I'm genuinely speechless.
[01:29:31]  You might as well have just said he has weather weapons.
[01:29:34]  Like that, fine.
[01:29:35]  He has anti-grav weapons.
[01:29:37]  Yeah, great.
[01:29:37]  He has anti-grav weapons that can just kill everyone in a particular area at a whim, at a drop of.
[01:29:44]  Yeah, I think I don't know.
[01:29:48]  Okay.
[01:29:49]  Now, does everybody who has an Alex Jones DVD still have it?
[01:29:55]  Right?
[01:29:55]  I think we should do a giant burning.
[01:29:58]  I like.
[01:29:59]  Do you know what I'm saying?
[01:30:00]  No.
[01:30:01]  Because I think that there's a lot of baggage with that.
[01:30:05]  I liked back in the day when Christians would get CDs of Britney Spears and then steamroll.
[01:30:11]  That would fun.
[01:30:12]  That was fun.
[01:30:12]  That was fun.
[01:30:13]  I think steamrolling his DVDs is a better idea.

=== Struggling Actors and Union Contracts (06:38) ===

[01:30:16]  Yeah, they did disco and then.
[01:30:17]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:30:18]  Steamrolling would be more fun.
[01:30:20]  Yeah.
[01:30:20]  I think the fire, first of all, we've got to be conscious of the climate.
[01:30:23]  There is a problem with a gigantic burning plastic fire.
[01:30:27]  No, usually a bad idea.
[01:30:30]  Very wise.
[01:30:31]  And it compacts the amount of trash.
[01:30:32]  Yeah.
[01:30:33]  This is good for the environment.
[01:30:34]  And then we could cube that on top of it and have it in a museum of like, and we could call it like what Alex thought he was, something like that.
[01:30:42]  We'd make an art piece.
[01:30:44]  The idea of self.
[01:30:45]  Yeah, deep.
[01:30:47]  So one of the ideas that Alex has about himself is that.
[01:30:50]  Nice transition.
[01:30:51]  Thank you.
[01:30:52]  He was going to be the biggest voiceover.
[01:30:55]  Oh, my God.
[01:30:57]  Until Obama came out.
[01:30:58]  How are we here?
[01:31:00]  Well, we are.
[01:31:01]  By the way, have you ever done any sound effects for Hollywood for movies?
[01:31:04]  You would kill it.
[01:31:05]  Have I done it?
[01:31:06]  You know, I have.
[01:31:06]  Have you ever done any sound effects?
[01:31:07]  You know, before Obama came along, I never tried to get in that.
[01:31:12]  And then people said, hey, you want to do a voiceover for this?
[01:31:14]  So they taft Hartley.
[01:31:16]  My voice is out right now.
[01:31:17]  I can do better ones.
[01:31:18]  But Taff Hartley, when they put you in movies and stuff, you're automatically the Screen Actors Guild.
[01:31:22]  And so I got to where right as Obama got in, I had some voiceovers because I was in the Screen Actors Guild where it was being aired on TV over and over again.
[01:31:32]  I would get like $500,000 checks.
[01:31:34]  One ad.
[01:31:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would.
[01:31:36]  I swear to God.
[01:31:37]  And then they found out, wait a minute, you don't like Obama.
[01:31:41]  So then I got blackballed and no more jobs.
[01:31:44]  Is that what I'm doing?
[01:31:45]  Examples of what you did.
[01:31:46]  Like, what cartoon did you do it for?
[01:31:48]  I mean, I did movies, cartoons, and seriously.
[01:31:51]  What I got paid the most for was like insurance company ads.
[01:31:53]  Rob, did you know this?
[01:31:55]  No.
[01:31:55]  I had no clue.
[01:31:56]  Insurance company ads.
[01:31:58]  Yeah.
[01:31:58]  I've done like whatever the names were.
[01:32:01]  Here it's mutual association.
[01:32:05]  Alex is so full of shit.
[01:32:07]  And it's funny to hear Patrick just eat this up.
[01:32:10]  It seems looks so stupid.
[01:32:12]  When an actor says that they got Taft Heartley, that doesn't mean that they got made part of the Screen Actors Guild.
[01:32:17]  If a production that's in compliance with the union wants to hire a non-union actor for a role that they believe no qualified or available union member can fill, then they have to fill out a Taft Hartley form.
[01:32:28]  This allows them to hire a non-union actor and allows the actor a free pass to join SAG for 30 days.
[01:32:35]  This is one of the ways that an actor can get into SAG and make themselves available for SAG productions.
[01:32:42]  The other main ways are being dependent on getting booked for a major role or paying dues for a year, which most people can't do.
[01:32:51]  You'll often hear stories of struggling actors getting a job and getting Taft Heartley, which is kind of a blessing and a curse.
[01:32:58]  It means that you're working, but it also means that you probably need to join SAG and start paying dues, which can be a huge burden on you if you don't end up getting more work.
[01:33:07]  I'm certain that the only times Alex might have gotten Taft Heartley would have been on the two Link Later movies he's in, Waking Life and Scanner Darkly.
[01:33:16]  And it seems insane to me that an anti-communist zealot like him would join the actors union.
[01:33:23]  Yeah.
[01:33:23]  If you get Taft Heartley for being in Waking Life, let's say.
[01:33:27]  Yeah, the only reason to join the Screen Actors Guild is if you plan on getting more union work in the future.
[01:33:35]  If you're Alex and you actually are sincere that you don't want to pursue this, you don't have to do anything.
[01:33:42]  You don't have to start paying dues to the union.
[01:33:44]  This is nonsense.
[01:33:46]  Anyway.
[01:33:46]  The idea of him still having his show and being in any union would be absurd.
[01:33:52]  Yeah.
[01:33:53]  I've heard Alex's ad reads from the period he's talking about, and they're terrible.
[01:33:58]  There's no way that anyone would hire him to do an insurance commercial based on his talent.
[01:34:02]  So the only reason they would ever hire him is that they wanted to use him as a celebrity.
[01:34:07]  Like, oh, look at that.
[01:34:08]  It's Alex doing a commercial.
[01:34:09]  Could be.
[01:34:10]  Prior to 2008, literally no one would hire Alex and pay him half a million dollars to do a fucking insurance company commercial.
[01:34:18]  He was the 9-11 guy.
[01:34:20]  I mean, this is bullshit.
[01:34:21]  Come on.
[01:34:22]  Yeah, no way.
[01:34:24]  Like, first off, how many names?
[01:34:26]  How many names do you not have?
[01:34:28]  If you've said cartoons, movies, commercials, insurance commercials.
[01:34:33]  Name two insurance companies, period.
[01:34:36]  You don't even need to, you don't even need to be honest.
[01:34:39]  You just need to have them in your back pocket.
[01:34:42]  Fucking, I did a voice in Looney Tunes.
[01:34:44]  I was uncredited.
[01:34:45]  Done.
[01:34:45]  You're done.
[01:34:46]  You just have to have that specific.
[01:34:48]  Yeah, he has no real specifics.
[01:34:50]  But then he does have a bunch of voices he can do.
[01:34:52]  That's not good.
[01:34:53]  I don't want.
[01:34:54]  I'm not your auditioner.
[01:34:55]  Now, this clip I find very fascinating because it sounds like Patrick Bette David and his friends are laughing at Alex doing silly voices, but they're not.
[01:35:06]  They enjoy it.
[01:35:08]  Even though my voice is, I can give you some of the voice of God.
[01:35:10]  Voice of God's like any of that big, like return the map.
[01:35:15]  Return what you have stolen.
[01:35:17]  You're in grave danger.
[01:35:19]  So that's like from Time Bandits.
[01:35:21]  I can do Autobots.
[01:35:26]  Autobots transform and roll up.
[01:35:28]  What?
[01:35:28]  Megatron prepare to die.
[01:35:31]  Megatron.
[01:35:34]  What is happening?
[01:35:35]  If I wasn't sick, I could do better.
[01:35:37]  And here starts later.
[01:35:39]  If you only knew the power.
[01:35:41]  What?
[01:35:42]  It's going off.
[01:35:43]  Join me and I will complete your training.
[01:35:45]  Wow.
[01:35:47]  Fuck you.
[01:35:48]  Fuck you.
[01:35:49]  Fuck you, Patrick Bett David.
[01:35:51]  It was like I said, it was a financial one, so I got paid a lot.
[01:35:54]  Because I forget that one.
[01:35:55]  It was End of America.
[01:35:57]  And it was like selling all sorts of financial stuff and instruments.
[01:36:00]  And it was like, it was like experts believe the end of it.
[01:36:05]  And there's all this stuff.
[01:36:06]  And I used to see it.
[01:36:08]  I'd be in restaurants or bars and the Amazon.
[01:36:10]  He had no idea.
[01:36:11]  But I listened to your voice.
[01:36:12]  I'm like, dude, this guy's so animated.
[01:36:14]  Okay.
[01:36:15]  It sounds like they're laughing at him in the way that bullies laugh at the kid eating a worm.
[01:36:20]  Yep.
[01:36:21]  You know, like, it sounds like that.
[01:36:24]  At least that would make sense.
[01:36:25]  Yeah, it's not that.
[01:36:26]  No.
[01:36:27]  No.
[01:36:27]  That makes me furious.
[01:36:28]  Yeah.
[01:36:29]  You saw me point at the computer as though Patrick Bett David was somehow inside there.
[01:36:34]  Yeah, you needed to physicalize.
[01:36:35]  You needed to make sure that he knew through this computer that I'm scared he's the dumbest man alive.
[01:36:43]  Yeah.
[01:36:44]  He is this interesting intersection of like very, very stupid and very shrewd.
[01:36:50]  Like he's very good, obviously, at multi-level marketing.

=== March 7th: The Receiver's Role (12:40) ===

[01:36:54]  Obviously.
[01:36:54]  Like you can't run these kinds of businesses without having some kind of intelligence.
[01:36:59]  Cunning.
[01:37:00]  Yeah.
[01:37:00]  And I honestly think that the way he navigates these conversations so stupidly, it is also an intellect.
[01:37:06]  No, it is the smartest thing to do to be very much unsuspected, especially in this kind of conversation.
[01:37:16]  Being underestimated is a powerful tool.
[01:37:19]  But also, that's insane.
[01:37:22]  Yeah.
[01:37:22]  Yeah.
[01:37:23]  I bet Alex.
[01:37:25]  There's no way that he ever did big national commercials or anything like that.
[01:37:29]  But I wonder how much money he saved by doing all those voiceovers for his own products himself.
[01:37:35]  Yeah, that's a good point.
[01:37:36]  You know, doing these commercials for like home gain.
[01:37:39]  Yeah.
[01:37:40]  Like whatever advertise the Berkey water filter ads.
[01:37:44]  By doing those himself, maybe he saved $500,000.
[01:37:48]  Or maybe he took the, you know, he paid himself as a contractor, frankly.
[01:37:53]  Totally possible.
[01:37:54]  Yeah.
[01:37:55]  Anyway, we get a very long stretch of the show that is Alex explaining how he's the real victim of Sandy Hook.
[01:38:04]  And it's all the standard shit.
[01:38:07]  Can't do it again.
[01:38:07]  No.
[01:38:08]  Can't do it again.
[01:38:08]  I think we've heard him tell Patrick this stuff in the past.
[01:38:11]  I can't do any more of this.
[01:38:14]  Yeah.
[01:38:14]  So there's a little bit of news, though.
[01:38:17]  Okay.
[01:38:18]  And that is that it looks like the game is up.
[01:38:21]  All this stuff, it has been like the Alamo down there.
[01:38:24]  And so finally, the federal court kicked it out in bankruptcy of three years, said we wash our hands because they would never agree to anything.
[01:38:31]  He kicks into state court.
[01:38:33]  Barbara Bellis, the same judge, she signs a receiver and tells him to come in and take it over.
[01:38:39]  Under the law, he's supposed to sell it at auction, but they don't want it sold at auction.
[01:38:43]  So now he has just come in and said he's no longer going to allow it to operate and fund next month, even though the money's there to run it.
[01:38:51]  And so they're going to close the doors.
[01:38:54]  Somewhere around the 7th of March, finally, and we'll shut down.
[01:38:58]  I have the Alex Jones backup network that other people own.
[01:39:01]  I'll pop back on the air, follow me on extra long shows, things like that.
[01:39:04]  So, the idea is that a receiver had been holding Alex's assets and InfoWars assets.
[01:39:11]  Up till now, they've just allowed Infowars to be funded, even though he does not have control over these things that are held by the receiver.
[01:39:22]  Now, the receiver has said, No, we're not going to, we're not allowing this.
[01:39:25]  So, if what Alex is saying is reflective of the truth, then there's just no money to do Infowars anymore after this month or whatever the receiver is allowing.
[01:39:36]  Yeah, if you can just close the account.
[01:39:40]  Yeah.
[01:39:41]  So, what I'm hearing is Alex, you know, when Patrick says you couldn't join Manect before, maybe that maybe this has a little bit to do with feels very connected.
[01:39:54]  I have no funding now.
[01:39:56]  I am screwed, except for the Alex Jones Network, which is going like gangbusters.
[01:40:04]  Yeah, non-fraudulent gangbusters.
[01:40:07]  So, we've heard this too many times in the past to really get too excited.
[01:40:12]  Yeah.
[01:40:13]  But let's put a clock on this.
[01:40:14]  All right.
[01:40:15]  March 7th.
[01:40:16]  Alex has said March 7th.
[01:40:18]  I mean, you know, he can't go quietly.
[01:40:22]  Is he just going to close the doors like fucking cheers or some shit?
[01:40:25]  I think he has to.
[01:40:27]  I mean, he could try to pick a fight.
[01:40:28]  Pick a fight.
[01:40:29]  Pick a fight with somebody.
[01:40:30]  But maybe no one wants to.
[01:40:32]  That's the problem.
[01:40:33]  Yeah.
[01:40:33]  That's the real problem.
[01:40:34]  Maybe no one wants to play along with this dumb shit.
[01:40:38]  He's going to have to probably get, ironically, a crisis actor to join him for a fight.
[01:40:43]  Yeah, that would work.
[01:40:44]  Here's what I would do if I was the government, right?
[01:40:46]  I don't want to fight him on this.
[01:40:48]  I don't want to have to be the send the cops to close the door.
[01:40:51]  Helicopter, gigantic tarp.
[01:40:54]  Lower it over the building.
[01:40:56]  Nobody can get in.
[01:40:58]  Problem solved.
[01:40:59]  Sure.
[01:40:59]  No need to argue.
[01:41:00]  Don't need to fight.
[01:41:01]  Don't need to do anything.
[01:41:02]  He just tries to go into the office one day covered with a gigantic tarp.
[01:41:06]  Yes.
[01:41:07]  Better idea.
[01:41:08]  Okay.
[01:41:09]  I'll go with your helicopter.
[01:41:11]  Okay.
[01:41:11]  Attach little ropes to the building.
[01:41:13]  Okay.
[01:41:14]  Lift it up.
[01:41:15]  See, now I'm worried that this would require more than one helicopter.
[01:41:18]  We would need one helicopter.
[01:41:19]  We need four helicopters, one on each corner, and now we're coordinating four helicopters.
[01:41:23]  Where are we going to land this building?
[01:41:28]  This is my department.
[01:41:30]  You're not a helicopter operator.
[01:41:31]  No.
[01:41:31]  No, no, I get you.
[01:41:32]  I get you.
[01:41:32]  You're an ideas guy.
[01:41:33]  It would just be funny if you could take the building, move it somewhere else.
[01:41:37]  Alex shows up.
[01:41:38]  There is no building.
[01:41:38]  Yeah.
[01:41:39]  I mean, ironically, that would be a cartoon with Alex's voice in it.
[01:41:42]  Yeah.
[01:41:43]  Or, ooh, paint the building to make it look like a little bit of a little bit of a little bit.
[01:41:48]  Absolutely.
[01:41:49]  Camouflage the building.
[01:41:50]  Alex walks into a topic.
[01:41:52]  Yep.
[01:41:53]  Yep.
[01:41:54]  All right.
[01:41:54]  These are good ideas.
[01:41:55]  Yes, these are great ideas.
[01:41:56]  So Alex is explaining how he's the victim of all of this stuff.
[01:42:00]  Of course.
[01:42:01]  And I think he gets the sense that, like, I don't think my point is coming across.
[01:42:06]  Patrick, could you rephrase this for me?
[01:42:08]  So.
[01:42:09]  I know you're a business guy.
[01:42:10]  You understand all this.
[01:42:10]  Can you translate to the public what you're thinking you're hearing?
[01:42:13]  No, no, no.
[01:42:13]  I'm tracking.
[01:42:14]  The question I got is: can a pardon help you in any way?
[01:42:21]  I don't think they have pardons for civil matters.
[01:42:24]  He can't do anything with that on the top.
[01:42:26]  Only the public can pardon me by following what I do.
[01:42:28]  Whoever my sponsors are, support them.
[01:42:30]  Because here's the deal: I get to have my crew and have my show and have it, and we're building a studio with folks even better than one before.
[01:42:36]  And so, and under federal state law, I'm allowed to get my paycheck.
[01:42:41]  They can try to grab it and stuff.
[01:42:43]  And I don't care.
[01:42:44]  I'll live in a trailer.
[01:42:45]  I'll live under a bridge.
[01:42:46]  I don't care.
[01:42:47]  They haven't taken away my voice.
[01:42:48]  They haven't taken away.
[01:42:49]  Have they garnished your wages yet or not yet?
[01:42:52]  Well, that's the thing is they have, they have, they have, they've never wanted to settle.
[01:42:57]  So the courts keep telling them settle, settle, settle, but they'll never settle because they want to keep the protracted fight going because it's about pinning me down.
[01:43:04]  It's about, they say on TV, we want him off the air.
[01:43:06]  We don't want money.
[01:43:07]  So you don't want to answer that question about wage garnishing.
[01:43:10]  Yeah.
[01:43:10]  Okay.
[01:43:10]  Seems like maybe you don't want to talk about the actual money.
[01:43:15]  No, probably not.
[01:43:16]  No.
[01:43:17]  Also, how fucking dumb is Patrick for can he could pardon you?
[01:43:23]  I mean, that is dumb.
[01:43:25]  But at the same time, I don't look at that just as being dumb.
[01:43:29]  I look at that as the level of naked corruption that now we're all just like, oh, yeah, he could just pardon people, right?
[01:43:35]  Can he just wave his wand?
[01:43:36]  We have all reached a level where there's not even a question.
[01:43:40]  There's not even like a, oh, is there a legal thing?
[01:43:42]  Is there something?
[01:43:43]  Is it, nope, nope, we have a dictator.
[01:43:45]  Can he solve it?
[01:43:46]  Yeah.
[01:43:47]  And he should, because you're on his team.
[01:43:49]  Yep.
[01:43:49]  He did it for Roger.
[01:43:50]  Exactly.
[01:43:52]  So they get towards the end of the episode and the interview, and they're talking a little bit about regrets.
[01:43:57]  Sure.
[01:43:58]  And I thought that this was strange.
[01:44:01]  Yeah, it's wild seeing from there to now.
[01:44:03]  Alex, if today you're 22 and you're the same wiring, you're getting started in social media today doing the same thing you're doing.
[01:44:12]  Would you do anything differently?
[01:44:14]  Oh, I definitely.
[01:44:18]  Yeah, I mean, I definitely wouldn't have interviewed like those professors and stuff that were saying it didn't happen.
[01:44:24]  I mean, because you wouldn't have interviewed those guys.
[01:44:27]  No, I wouldn't have because it allowed me to be set up.
[01:44:29]  What?
[01:44:30]  What?
[01:44:30]  Why?
[01:44:31]  Like, I thought that there's nothing wrong about interviewing those people.
[01:44:34]  They just had alternative ideas about major news events.
[01:44:38]  Is Alex saying that he would shy away from covering an important story because he's worried about the heat that he would get for it?
[01:44:44]  I thought this guy was like the tip of the spear.
[01:44:46]  But no, he would go back and not do this.
[01:44:49]  Yep.
[01:44:51]  At the time, you thought it was sincere.
[01:44:53]  You thought it was legit.
[01:44:54]  You were acting from a place of good faith.
[01:44:58]  So instead of covering what you believe to be a faked mass shooting meant to steal everyone's guns, you would have ignored the story?
[01:45:07]  Wow, it kind of makes me feel like you think you did something wrong.
[01:45:10]  You know, there was a really interesting interview they did with Nelson Mandela where they were like, you know, you did the whole thing and all that stuff, but do you have one regret?
[01:45:18]  And Nelson Mandela was doing, said, like, going to prison in the first place.
[01:45:22]  I really wish I hadn't hadn't resisted.
[01:45:24]  I really wish I would have just let sleeping dogs lie.
[01:45:27]  You know, no big deal.
[01:45:28]  Instead, I had to go through all this rigmarole.
[01:45:32]  Nope, nope.
[01:45:32]  Didn't need it.
[01:45:34]  Not interested.
[01:45:35]  It's a pain.
[01:45:36]  Yeah.
[01:45:37]  Let somebody else do it.
[01:45:39]  I really find this to be pretty fucking telling from Alex's point of view.
[01:45:44]  He's supposed to not have any regret about interviewing these crazy idiots.
[01:45:49]  I do it all again because I'm the one who's right.
[01:45:52]  At the bottom, I can die knowing that I was right.
[01:45:56]  Yep.
[01:45:57]  So the episode ends with, of course, a Manect plug.
[01:46:00]  Sure.
[01:46:01]  And also a birthday celebration.
[01:46:02]  Oh, that's nice.
[01:46:03]  Because Alex's birthday just happened.
[01:46:04]  No, this was nice.
[01:46:05]  And they bring out a cake for him.
[01:46:07]  And Alex makes a funny.
[01:46:09]  All right.
[01:46:09]  Oh, what's going on here?
[01:46:10]  We got a gift for you, buddy.
[01:46:12]  So, so, real Alex Jones and our backup network at AJM Live.
[01:46:15]  And Patrick, thank you, brother.
[01:46:16]  Anytime.
[01:46:17]  And in the interim, folks, it is his birthday yesterday.
[01:46:20]  So we got a sync for you.
[01:46:21]  We got you a cake.
[01:46:22]  We got you a few things.
[01:46:24]  On three, everybody.
[01:46:24]  One, two, three.
[01:46:26]  Happy birthday to you.
[01:46:29]  Happy birthday to you.
[01:46:33]  Happy birthday, dear Alex Jones.
[01:46:37]  Happy birthday to you.
[01:46:40]  And Rob, can you bring me the other gift hidden so I can give it to him?
[01:46:45]  Yes.
[01:46:46]  Listen, I knew about Manek, but now that I've really looked at it, it looks badass.
[01:46:51]  I can't wait to get involved with that.
[01:46:52]  Yeah, I mean, people are going to be able to access you, ask you questions.
[01:46:55]  And I thought it was appropriate while we're doing this.
[01:46:59]  Is the girl one of the presents?
[01:47:03]  It's a joke.
[01:47:05]  See, that's a funny joke because Alex is asking if the woman who brought his cake in is a gift that Patrick might be giving him.
[01:47:12]  It shows how seriously Alex takes the idea of owning people and trafficking them as property.
[01:47:17]  He's making a joke about this, which is funny because they were talking about Epstein earlier.
[01:47:22]  It's funny.
[01:47:23]  Yeah.
[01:47:23]  It's a good joke.
[01:47:24]  So there's this anime called Jiu-Jitsu Kaisen, right?
[01:47:29]  Very popular.
[01:47:32]  Not great storytelling.
[01:47:33]  What do they do have?
[01:47:35]  Action.
[01:47:35]  Fucking kineticism.
[01:47:39]  The apotheosis of it, right?
[01:47:41]  And one of the most recent episodes had this character who was abused and hated and all of these things because she wasn't like them, all of those stuff.
[01:47:52]  And then she goes kill Bill on everybody, right?
[01:47:54]  And like, literally, it's a reference to Kill Bill.
[01:47:58]  She does it.
[01:47:59]  And I just keep thinking, like, listen to all those people laugh.
[01:48:02]  Like, I can't be in a room with all of those people hearing that without, like, is there a baseball bat?
[01:48:09]  Anybody?
[01:48:10]  Like, there's, you just have to spin around and hit these people.
[01:48:13]  This is fucking insane.
[01:48:15]  Yeah, the premise of the joke that Alex is making that they all think is super funny is that this woman is property.
[01:48:20]  We're talking about Epstein.
[01:48:22]  You're pretending to care about the issues that Epstein the whole case is about.
[01:48:28]  Yep.
[01:48:29]  And you are, you love it.
[01:48:32]  You love this joke about this woman being property.
[01:48:34]  Kneecapping everybody.
[01:48:36]  It's infuriating in a way that isn't like, oh, it's a tasteless joke or it's, you know, PC police or whatever.
[01:48:43]  I don't give a shit.
[01:48:45]  It's that it betrays how little they care about the thing that they're yelling at me about caring so much about.
[01:48:53]  Yeah.
[01:48:53]  And I think it's disgusting.
[01:48:56]  Yeah.
[01:48:57]  And they should shut up.
[01:48:59]  I'm offended as a thinking ape.
[01:49:02]  I'm concerned that we're more in the ape phase still.
[01:49:06]  You know?
[01:49:07]  Like, I listen to that and I go, oh boy, a few hundred thousand, maybe a couple million years will really evolve into a thinking ape species any moment now.
[01:49:16]  Yeah, it's pretty bad.
[01:49:17]  Yeah.
[01:49:17]  Anyway, this interview sucked.
[01:49:20]  It was trash.
[01:49:21]  But I think that the labeling of victims as perpetrators and Alex saying that Roger recruited him and the theoretical March 7th end date.

=== Ape Phase Still? (01:41) ===

[01:49:35]  Yep.
[01:49:35]  I think these are worth a note.
[01:49:38]  Oh, and the fact that Alex has joined the obviously not a money laundering platform act.
[01:49:43]  I would even go so far as to say he's too super cool with laser drills.
[01:49:48]  Sure.
[01:49:48]  Yeah.
[01:49:49]  Yeah.
[01:49:50]  That is a big betrayal.
[01:49:51]  Yeah.
[01:49:52]  Yeah.
[01:49:52]  Anyway, trash interview sucks.
[01:49:55]  Yep.
[01:49:55]  Makes me not want to be in the present.
[01:49:58]  Makes me look wistfully at the days of Slobodan Milosevic.
[01:50:02]  Oh, Slowbo.
[01:50:04]  So we'll go Slowbow.
[01:50:06]  We'll see what comes next.
[01:50:07]  But that's the thing.
[01:50:09]  This is what I feel like.
[01:50:10]  I feel like Slowbo could be in that room having a grand time with everybody.
[01:50:14]  I bet Patrick Bett David would have so many questions for Slowbow.
[01:50:18]  Why are you the victim in all of this?
[01:50:20]  They send you to the Hague.
[01:50:22]  Why?
[01:50:23]  Is it the poor little Slowbo?
[01:50:25]  No, Slowbo.
[01:50:26]  So, real quick, because I'm sure some people would be infuriated by this.
[01:50:30]  The gift that was hidden under the table was a gay frog plush.
[01:50:34]  Right.
[01:50:34]  And then also Patrick Bett David gives him some pretty expensive shoes that say the future is bright on the bottom of them.
[01:50:42]  I am.
[01:50:44]  Boy, that's Joker.
[01:50:47]  There you go.
[01:50:48]  You did it.
[01:50:48]  You did it, bud.
[01:50:50]  So serious.
[01:50:53]  We'll be back for another episode.
[01:50:55]  But until then, we have a website.
[01:50:57]  And we do at KnowledgeFight.com.
[01:50:59]  Yep.
[01:51:00]  We'll be back.
[01:51:00]  But until then, I'm Neo.
[01:51:01]  I'm Leo.
[01:51:02]  I'm DZX Clark.
[01:51:03]  I am the Mysterious Professor.
[01:51:05]  Yeah, woo!
[01:51:06]  Yeah, woo.
[01:51:07]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[01:51:10]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:51:11]  Thanks for holding.
[01:51:14]  Hello, Alex.
[01:51:14]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:51:15]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:51:16]  I love your work.