Knowledge Fight - #1106: December 4, 2025
Aired: 2026-01-02
Duration: 02:20:01


=== Axe Minster Shows Up (13:45) ===

[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang me are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge and fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  I need money.
[00:00:38]  Rattler.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Pandy.
[00:00:42]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding it.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fish-time color.
[00:00:51]  We're here today.
[00:00:51]  I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back, Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jerry.
[00:01:07]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Dan.
[00:01:09]  Jordan.
[00:01:10]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:11]  What's your bright spot today, buddy?
[00:01:12]  Well, it's January, so I'll go first.
[00:01:14]  Yeah!
[00:01:15]  You have to go first the whole month now.
[00:01:17]  Sure.
[00:01:18]  Man, we'll see.
[00:01:20]  I might flip it up sometimes, but I got a bright spot for you, and it's one word.
[00:01:24]  All right.
[00:01:25]  One word.
[00:01:26]  Okay.
[00:01:27]  Axminster.
[00:01:30]  Is that an Abbey?
[00:01:31]  No.
[00:01:32]  Oh.
[00:01:32]  It is the name of a very poorly introduced antagonist in MacGyver.
[00:01:39]  Axminster.
[00:01:40]  Axe Minster.
[00:01:44]  Almost Axe Minister, but without one of the eyes.
[00:01:47]  Right, right, right.
[00:01:48]  Yeah.
[00:01:48]  Wow.
[00:01:49]  So the next episode of MacIver.
[00:01:51]  Yeah.
[00:01:51]  Why don't you guess the plot just based on Axe Minster?
[00:01:54]  Well, first off, vampires.
[00:01:56]  No.
[00:01:57]  Second, old world rich people?
[00:01:59]  No.
[00:02:00]  Third, Captain Planet villains.
[00:02:03]  No.
[00:02:04]  Okay.
[00:02:04]  No environmentalism and no kissing.
[00:02:06]  How about British?
[00:02:07]  No.
[00:02:08]  Well, then I got nothing.
[00:02:09]  Okay.
[00:02:10]  Who's just named Axminster?
[00:02:12]  The greatest assassin in the world.
[00:02:17]  Something I love about this episode is they cannot stop saying Axe Minster.
[00:02:22]  How could you?
[00:02:22]  And I fucking love it every time they do.
[00:02:25]  It's so good.
[00:02:26]  Oh my God, there's Axe Minster.
[00:02:28]  Oh no, Axe Minster is coming.
[00:02:29]  No one uses pronouns when Axe Minster's around.
[00:02:33]  It's so great.
[00:02:34]  All right.
[00:02:34]  So this episode begins with MacGyver on the beach.
[00:02:38]  And we now know that he lives in LA or somewhere in California.
[00:02:41]  One op show MacGyver on the beach.
[00:02:43]  He's looking at bikinis a lot.
[00:02:46]  And this episode has a slightly different intro, so I wonder if they had filmed the first like 10 and then did the next.
[00:02:54]  Right, right.
[00:02:55]  Because it feels like he's hornier.
[00:02:56]  It happens.
[00:02:57]  So he has to save a woman colonel or a woman general from some guys who are holding her captive at a beach house.
[00:03:04]  Right.
[00:03:04]  I assume she's not in a bikini as well.
[00:03:06]  No, she's in a military outfit.
[00:03:08]  Good.
[00:03:08]  And I only say lady general because they keep saying lady general.
[00:03:12]  Lady General.
[00:03:14]  Specifically to point out this is a lady general.
[00:03:16]  It's crazy.
[00:03:17]  Axeminster wants to kill a lady general.
[00:03:19]  Nope.
[00:03:19]  X-Minster not involved.
[00:03:21]  Okay.
[00:03:21]  This is the first three minutes of the episode.
[00:03:24]  Okay.
[00:03:24]  And then we get the, that's the cold open.
[00:03:27]  Sure.
[00:03:27]  MacGyver, he comes back home and he's like, oh, shit.
[00:03:33]  I got another job to do.
[00:03:34]  So he has to go blow up a nuclear plant in somewhere in the Middle East.
[00:03:38]  That seems wildly unsafe, but okay.
[00:03:40]  Yeah.
[00:03:40]  So he just shows up in the middle of the night, covered in black.
[00:03:44]  He blows up this thing.
[00:03:45]  It happens very fast.
[00:03:47]  It's an international incident.
[00:03:48]  He shows back up at his house in California.
[00:03:50]  Yeah.
[00:03:51]  There's a government guy there.
[00:03:52]  And he's like, you've been made.
[00:03:54]  You've someone noticed you.
[00:03:57]  Someone spotted you blowing up a nuclear plant.
[00:03:59]  Of course they did.
[00:04:00]  It's one of the most surveilled places on this planet by multiple countries.
[00:04:05]  And it's a crazy huge terrorist attack that he's doing, Texas.
[00:04:09]  Absolutely.
[00:04:09]  Yeah, that's amazing.
[00:04:11]  Yeah.
[00:04:11]  So this guy's like, you got to go to a safe house.
[00:04:14]  And MacGyver is like, I'll tell you what, I've been putting off a trip for a while.
[00:04:19]  Sure.
[00:04:19]  So he goes, he decides he's going to go visit his grandpa.
[00:04:23]  Right.
[00:04:24]  Who's his only living relative?
[00:04:25]  Sure.
[00:04:26]  And lives out in the middle of nowhere.
[00:04:29]  And they haven't spoken since MacGyver was 10.
[00:04:33]  But he misses him something fierce.
[00:04:35]  Sure.
[00:04:36]  Fine.
[00:04:36]  Fine.
[00:04:37]  Why not?
[00:04:37]  So MacGyver thinks that this is going to blow over because he got made blowing up the nuclear weapons thing.
[00:04:45]  Yeah.
[00:04:46]  And the terrorists or the Middle Eastern state who owned that called in Axe Minster.
[00:04:52]  And so he's going to take out MacGyver.
[00:04:55]  MacGyver thinks he can hide out in this tiny town where his grandpa lives.
[00:04:59]  Right.
[00:04:59]  And they can reconnect, kill two birds with one stone.
[00:05:02]  That's nice.
[00:05:03]  Instead, Axe Minster shows up.
[00:05:04]  Do you mean the most obvious thing in the world to check his only living relative to see if he's hiding out there?
[00:05:10]  Yeah, he didn't even follow that path.
[00:05:12]  He still figured it out.
[00:05:15]  So MacIver and his grandpa have to use their old tricks.
[00:05:21]  Oh, of course his grandpa is also a Mac Ivor.
[00:05:23]  Yeah, you know, this is no, this is a last crusade.
[00:05:26]  We're going on a last crusade.
[00:05:29]  Yes, it is Sean Connery and Ideano Jones.
[00:05:32]  Okay.
[00:05:32]  Yes, a million percent.
[00:05:35]  And it's great.
[00:05:36]  It's a lot of fun.
[00:05:38]  His grandpa is an old crotchety guy who doesn't want to, I don't want to see you, you kid.
[00:05:43]  Oh, fuck.
[00:05:44]  Oh, you've disappointed me.
[00:05:45]  By the end of the episode, they're sharing a very meaningful hook.
[00:05:48]  Of course, Gruff and Takaturn always melt in the end.
[00:05:50]  Yeah.
[00:05:51]  I looked.
[00:05:52]  Axe Minster, by the way, not that much of a threat.
[00:05:55]  Sure.
[00:05:55]  He has a lot of guns and a lot of men with him, but they fall for a lot of log-based tricks.
[00:06:03]  You can't be a good assassin if you also have a bunch of men with you.
[00:06:07]  Assassin to be a great one, solo work.
[00:06:10]  Solo work.
[00:06:12]  I think that he's presented as the kind of guy who's like, I got to get the job done.
[00:06:18]  Don't care how I do it.
[00:06:19]  Yeah, gotcha.
[00:06:20]  Get 100 guys in.
[00:06:22]  Ruthless efficiency.
[00:06:23]  MacIver will end up dead.
[00:06:24]  That's all that matters.
[00:06:25]  Whereas MacGyver is the kind of guy who wants style points.
[00:06:28]  Absolutely.
[00:06:28]  Well, I mean, I think life is about style points sometimes.
[00:06:31]  So it was the contrast of their philosophies that was really driving this episode.
[00:06:35]  Sure.
[00:06:37]  I had to look it up because I wanted to see, like, are we going to get more X-Minster?
[00:06:42]  Yeah.
[00:06:42]  Because he doesn't die.
[00:06:43]  He ends up getting arrested at the end.
[00:06:45]  Weird.
[00:06:45]  Yeah.
[00:06:46]  So, like, he's an international assassin that can get arrested?
[00:06:49]  Yeah, because MacGyver bonked him on the head with some wood.
[00:06:54]  And then he went and passed out.
[00:06:57]  Good stuff.
[00:06:58]  So he'd never encountered something like that before.
[00:07:01]  I mean, in his defense, I believe that.
[00:07:05]  I believe you rarely encounter log-based retaliation.
[00:07:09]  Yeah.
[00:07:10]  So he could come back.
[00:07:12]  But I had to see if his grandpa came back.
[00:07:16]  And I learned that he does.
[00:07:18]  So I'm looking forward to future adventures with his grandpa.
[00:07:21]  I like that a lot.
[00:07:23]  But I did not check if Axminster comes back.
[00:07:25]  I'm glad to keep that as a little bit of a mystery.
[00:07:29]  So it was a state.
[00:07:32]  It was a nation-state.
[00:07:34]  Their nuclear program just MacGyver blew up.
[00:07:39]  Unspecified in the Middle East.
[00:07:43]  It wasn't like a rogue terrorist band who had gotten a hold of a new.
[00:07:47]  It was just straight up, I'm destroying another nation's energy sources.
[00:07:52]  Well, I mean, the implication is that they were up to no good.
[00:07:55]  But I think that based on all the evidence that you see in the episode, it is a government thing.
[00:08:00]  Man.
[00:08:00]  Stuxnet had shit on MacGyver.
[00:08:03]  Yeah, he just climbs a fence.
[00:08:07]  And puts a couple of bombs on the building.
[00:08:09]  Amazing.
[00:08:10]  Yeah.
[00:08:10]  We got to do that.
[00:08:11]  So he, yeah, no kissing, but strong stuff.
[00:08:17]  Yeah.
[00:08:19]  I do think that it would really undercut your general part of Lady General if there was a smooch in that one.
[00:08:27]  That's a no-go.
[00:08:28]  Well, she also didn't appear at all without tape over her mouth.
[00:08:31]  Oh, okay.
[00:08:32]  Well, you can't smooch her there.
[00:08:33]  No.
[00:08:34]  I mean, well, you know.
[00:08:35]  You were talking on the last time we talked about MacGyver about how only losers use guns.
[00:08:41]  Yes, I agree with that.
[00:08:42]  And that's kind of true.
[00:08:44]  Yeah.
[00:08:44]  Except in the opening thing when he saves the Lady General, he steals their guns to hold them until the police come.
[00:08:51]  Sure.
[00:08:52]  I think you can give him a pass.
[00:08:53]  I agree.
[00:08:53]  I agree.
[00:08:54]  As long as it's not your, if you're not bringing a gun, then you're probably in the clear.
[00:08:59]  Everything is style points after that.
[00:09:00]  It's an accidental gun.
[00:09:02]  Yeah.
[00:09:03]  Anyway, I still love this show.
[00:09:05]  I think it's going to be great forever.
[00:09:07]  Yep.
[00:09:07]  Probably.
[00:09:08]  What's your bright spot?
[00:09:09]  My bright spot is the day of today is New Year's Day, which means yesterday was New Year's Eve, and it was a lovely New Year's Eve for my wife and I.
[00:09:18]  Sure.
[00:09:19]  It was one of our best.
[00:09:20]  We just made our best dinner, just cooked the shit out of it, did a really great job.
[00:09:25]  What's your best dinner?
[00:09:26]  Squab?
[00:09:27]  No, our best dinner is Brussels Sprouts and Bacon.
[00:09:31]  That's our best dinner.
[00:09:32]  And then we usually have a steak or something with that, but you know, Brussels Sprouts and the bacon.
[00:09:38]  I would lead with the steak.
[00:09:40]  That's the main.
[00:09:41]  I understand that the steak is the main, but we could replace the steak with something else.
[00:09:44]  We could replace the steak with pork.
[00:09:47]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:09:47]  We could add a bird.
[00:09:49]  But I'll tell you what, we can't change.
[00:09:50]  Those Brussels and bacon, those are too good.
[00:09:53]  We know what we're doing.
[00:09:54]  I feel like a lot of times couples will have their dish.
[00:09:57]  Absolutely.
[00:09:58]  Yeah.
[00:09:58]  It was our celebration dinner.
[00:10:00]  Had a great one.
[00:10:01]  Watched a couple movies.
[00:10:02]  Went to bed at 10.
[00:10:04]  Would you check off?
[00:10:05]  Anything good?
[00:10:06]  Nope.
[00:10:08]  Cool.
[00:10:09]  Nope.
[00:10:09]  I don't even think we finished a couple of them.
[00:10:11]  I think we made it through an hour of one with Josh Duhamel, who is not Timothy Oliphant.
[00:10:17]  Nope.
[00:10:18]  Or any of the other people that look exactly like that.
[00:10:22]  But yeah, no, that was terrible.
[00:10:24]  It was like there was like an 18-year-old kid who was LARPing, and then they became an assassin.
[00:10:29]  It was awful.
[00:10:29]  It was an awful business.
[00:10:30]  Was it X-Minster?
[00:10:32]  God, I wish.
[00:10:32]  I wish MacGyver was in it.
[00:10:34]  Yeah, you should have watched MacIver.
[00:10:35]  But no, and we did make a, you asked if I had made a resolution, and we didn't make any resolutions for the year.
[00:10:44]  Other than next year, we can't do the stay-at-home.
[00:10:48]  Otherwise, we're just going to do it ever.
[00:10:50]  You know, you got to mix it up.
[00:10:52]  We got to go out.
[00:10:53]  So you're setting a goal of going out next New Year's.
[00:10:56]  Next New Year's?
[00:10:57]  We got it in our calendar.
[00:11:00]  The next 364 days.
[00:11:01]  Absolutely.
[00:11:02]  Yeah.
[00:11:02]  But we got to mix it up on New Year's.
[00:11:04]  Otherwise, we're never going to do it.
[00:11:06]  I think it would benefit both of us to get out of the house a little more just on a general kind of thing.
[00:11:14]  There are arguments to be made.
[00:11:15]  I've been going to the woods.
[00:11:17]  You have.
[00:11:17]  It's not super social.
[00:11:19]  I've been avoiding natural sunlight.
[00:11:22]  Cool.
[00:11:22]  Yeah.
[00:11:22]  That's helping.
[00:11:24]  So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over for the new year.
[00:11:28]  All right.
[00:11:29]  It's a new vibe.
[00:11:30]  2026, baby.
[00:11:31]  I miss cheese already.
[00:11:32]  Yep.
[00:11:34]  I think I miss your vamping.
[00:11:35]  I think that's what I miss.
[00:11:36]  I don't think anybody has ever said that before, and that means that we're true friends.
[00:11:40]  Yeah.
[00:11:40]  I think I might have to find another reason to make me fam.
[00:11:44]  Yeah.
[00:11:46]  Thinking about it.
[00:11:47]  We'll see.
[00:11:48]  We'll just find a new excuse for you to spend 30 seconds drinking something or chewing something.
[00:11:53]  Yep.
[00:11:54]  Yep.
[00:11:54]  That's the good stuff.
[00:11:55]  I'm there.
[00:11:56]  So, today, though, we're going over December 4th, 2025.
[00:12:01]  We are plugging along in this dumb stretch of time that I think is breaking, a little bit of a breaking point to understand the slippery slope that Alex falls down.
[00:12:15]  But we'll talk about the particulars here.
[00:12:17]  But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
[00:12:19]  Oh, that's a great idea.
[00:12:20]  So, first, shout out to my wife Elizabeth in our second wedding anniversary.
[00:12:23]  And I'm sorry that you let me choose the wedding date, and I thought it would be funny, but we always have our own January 6th.
[00:12:30]  Thank you so much, Jer and Howe Policy Wonk.
[00:12:32]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:33]  Thank you very much.
[00:12:34]  Thank you.
[00:12:35]  Next, the strange and mysterious gods of so-called Columbus, Ohio.
[00:12:38]  Thank you so much, Jer and Howe Policy Wonk.
[00:12:40]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:41]  Thank you very much.
[00:12:42]  Thank you.
[00:12:43]  And to the wonks over at the Philosophy Feud server, I love you from the Sex Robots.
[00:12:48]  Thank you so much, Jerry.
[00:12:49]  Policy Wonk.
[00:12:50]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:12:51]  Thank you very much.
[00:12:52]  Thank you.
[00:12:53]  And Angels Ain't Got No Lips.
[00:12:57]  You are a technocrat who is in the mix.
[00:12:59]  And thank you so much.
[00:13:00]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:13:01]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:13:02]  Four stars.
[00:13:03]  Go home to your mother telling you, brilliant.
[00:13:06]  Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:13:08]  Daddy Sharp.
[00:13:09]  Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:13:15]  He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
[00:13:18]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:13:19]  I renounce Jesus Christ.
[00:13:21]  Thank you so much.
[00:13:22]  Yes, thank you very much.
[00:13:23]  So on our last episode, Alex was deep in the weeds trying to justify Pete Hegseth's actions as it related to boat sinking.
[00:13:33]  War crimes, etc.
[00:13:34]  Yeah.
[00:13:35]  And definitely that's going to come up again in some new and fun ways.
[00:13:40]  But Alex starts off the show on a different story.
[00:13:43]  Okay.
[00:13:43]  And I thought it was a little bit interesting.
[00:13:46]  And if you want to know where we're going to be living under the globalists, if we don't turn this around, they're giving people life in prison for not using the correct pronouns in Ireland.

=== Enoch Burke's Contemptuous Controversy (15:20) ===

[00:13:59]  It's mainstream news.
[00:14:02]  A school teacher refuses to do it.
[00:14:05]  And so life in prison.
[00:14:08]  Canada.
[00:14:10]  Same law is going into effect.
[00:14:11]  It's a global operation.
[00:14:13]  So you want to know where we'll be if it wasn't for Trump in there, as imperfect as he is.
[00:14:19]  That's where we're going.
[00:14:20]  This is total totalitarianism.
[00:14:22]  We're just doing the same bullshit stories from 2016 all over again and pretending this isn't the same dumb shit that gave us Jordan Peterson.
[00:14:29]  Yep.
[00:14:29]  The Ireland story that Alex is talking about involves a school teacher named Enoch Burke.
[00:14:34]  In 2022, he got in trouble for refusing to use a child in his class's preferred pronoun, which was the school's policy, was to respect that.
[00:14:43]  In August of that year, he got suspended from the school, stemming from an incident where he had an outburst at a school church service.
[00:14:50]  Burke refused to accept the school's request that he stay home while they discussed his suspension, so he was fired.
[00:14:56]  But Burke wasn't scared of things like getting fired and decided that he was going to keep showing up and pretending to teach anyway.
[00:15:05]  Yeah.
[00:15:07]  That's the most Irish way to solve problems.
[00:15:10]  Deny reality.
[00:15:12]  In September 2022, the school went to court to get an order barring him from doing this because he didn't work there anymore and he had no business being around the kids who were just trying to go to school.
[00:15:22]  Why do you need to go to a court?
[00:15:24]  Because he wouldn't stop.
[00:15:26]  They asked nicely first.
[00:15:27]  They fired him.
[00:15:29]  Fair enough.
[00:15:30]  So Burke was arrested for violating this order by trespassing on school property.
[00:15:34]  That was three years ago.
[00:15:37]  He did a short stint in jail, and then when he was released, the court ordered him to pay a fine of 700 euros a day every time he defied the trespassing order.
[00:15:46]  Right.
[00:15:48]  You don't have to pay anything.
[00:15:50]  Let me be clear.
[00:15:51]  You can pay zero dollars if you don't show up.
[00:15:56]  According to the BBC, as of this November, he owes the Irish courts about 225,000 euros, which would make it clear that he does not care about fines and that doesn't work.
[00:16:05]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:06]  I would say a thousand fake if you want them to be.
[00:16:10]  A thousand euro.
[00:16:11]  What's the old thing?
[00:16:12]  Like, a thousand euro is your problem.
[00:16:14]  200,000 euro is the bank's problem.
[00:16:16]  Yeah.
[00:16:17]  Yep.
[00:16:18]  So he keeps showing up to the school and insisting that he has a right to teach there, and he's been arrested a couple times for contempt of court and trespassing.
[00:16:25]  Sure.
[00:16:25]  In September 2025, the school again petitioned the high court to address the issue because he wouldn't stop showing up pretending to still be a teacher.
[00:16:35]  They discussed hiring guards, which the school could not afford to do just to stop Burke from trespassing, which the court affirmed was, quote, wholly and exclusively to prevent Mr. Burke from trespassing on school premises.
[00:16:48]  On October 14th, Burke was supposed to show up for a hearing with the high court, but he instead chose to trespass on school grounds and not show up for court.
[00:16:56]  Naturally.
[00:16:57]  All too often, the crazy people we see on this show aren't ambitious crazy, but this Burke guy is in that category.
[00:17:04]  Instead of going to court, he sent his brother Isaac to show up for him and to argue that Burke couldn't show up because he had to work at the school he was busy trespassing at.
[00:17:15]  I love your brother.
[00:17:17]  That's what I love.
[00:17:18]  I love this brother who's been watching this go on for so long.
[00:17:22]  And then you call him to action and he's like, man, you're my brother first.
[00:17:26]  I love you.
[00:17:27]  Let's go.
[00:17:28]  This is enabling.
[00:17:31]  So this is from the high court's judgment on this case.
[00:17:34]  Sure.
[00:17:35]  Quote, I indicated to Dr. Isaac Burke that he had no right of audience before the court.
[00:17:40]  Mr. Isaac Burke replied, quote, I'm aware of the rules of the court, Judge.
[00:17:44]  Dr. Isaac Burke, despite my clear direction that he had no right of audience before the court, made several other statements to the court, and I had to remind him again and again that he had no right to audience.
[00:17:57]  I love it.
[00:17:58]  Excuse me, sir.
[00:17:58]  You don't have the right to the.
[00:18:00]  I know my rights, parentheses.
[00:18:01]  No, he doesn't.
[00:18:02]  No, he doesn't.
[00:18:03]  He does not know his rights.
[00:18:04]  And he wouldn't shut up.
[00:18:06]  So the same scene would play out a week later when the judge attempted to hold the hearing again.
[00:18:11]  Sure.
[00:18:11]  In the second hearing, the judge was again harassed by Dr. Isaac Burke, whose brother couldn't be there because he was too busy trespassing at the school.
[00:18:20]  What kind of doctor?
[00:18:21]  I don't know.
[00:18:22]  It doesn't specify in the, I don't know.
[00:18:25]  So eventually, the judge had enough, and he had Isaac kicked out of the courtroom.
[00:18:29]  Right, yes.
[00:18:30]  Quote, when I sat again, Mr. Enoch Burke's father, Mr. Sean Burke, then sought to shout at me.
[00:18:36]  Yes, yes, I love the Burke.
[00:18:39]  And generally, I remonstrate with the court.
[00:18:42]  I indicated to Mr. Sean Burke that if he continued in this manner, I would ask that he be removed from the court.
[00:18:47]  Mr. Sean Burke continued to speak and I gave him a second warning.
[00:18:51]  When I indicated to Mr. Sean Burke that I would ask for him to be removed from the court, he left the court voluntarily.
[00:18:57]  Ah, well, that's polite.
[00:18:58]  That's polite.
[00:18:59]  So the next week they tried again.
[00:19:01]  Of course.
[00:19:02]  And this time, Burke showed up, which the judge speculated might have been because school wasn't in session that day, so he didn't have to pretend to be a teacher.
[00:19:09]  Why didn't they always schedule it for what schools out?
[00:19:12]  Not only did he show up, but his whole family showed up, ready to cause trouble.
[00:19:18]  So Burke's mom stood up to accuse the opposing counsel of being a liar, which led to this scene.
[00:19:24]  Quote, moments later, Dr. Isaac Burke jumped up and shouted, Judge, you're lying.
[00:19:29]  You're lying.
[00:19:30]  So what happened was last week.
[00:19:33]  And then Dr. Burke said, quote, I am Dr. Isaac Burke, and I've been listening to lies.
[00:19:41]  Again, having been given a number of warnings to Dr. Isaac Burke, I asked the guardi to remove Dr. Isaac Burke from the court, whereupon Mrs. Martina Burke shouted, Disgrace, lies, lies.
[00:19:54]  And Dr. Isaac Burke said, quote, shame on you.
[00:19:57]  God will judge your wickedness, Mr. Craigen.
[00:19:59]  God will judge your wickedness.
[00:20:02]  I rose whilst the guards removed Dr. Isaac Burke.
[00:20:05]  Even outside the court, I could hear the continual noise of shouting and roaring from members of the Burke family.
[00:20:10]  Well, I mean, once you've started, there's no reason in stopping after you've been kicked out, right?
[00:20:14]  Like, keep on going.
[00:20:15]  Yeah.
[00:20:16]  So as you might expect, this led to some contempt of court charges.
[00:20:19]  Sure, I imagine so.
[00:20:21]  There was a lot of contempt for this court.
[00:20:23]  Oh, they hate that court.
[00:20:24]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:20:25]  So they set up another hearing for the next week on November 5th, where the Burke family again showed up and yelled at the judge.
[00:20:32]  Okay, at a certain point, you're the one stepping on the rake that you're putting down.
[00:20:36]  That's your rake.
[00:20:37]  You're doing it.
[00:20:38]  So again, they were yelling about how he was a liar and God will judge him.
[00:20:41]  Naturally.
[00:20:42]  The guy at the center of all this, Enoch Burke, demanded that the judge send him to jail, and he behaved, quote, like a petulant child.
[00:20:50]  I believe that.
[00:20:51]  So there's a new family member at this hearing, a sister named Ami, but she gets thrown out for yelling at the judge, which then causes Isaac to yell at the judge, and he gets thrown out again.
[00:21:00]  Right.
[00:21:00]  Well, I mean, you can't throw her out.
[00:21:02]  I'd say, I got to come to her defense if you're throwing her out.
[00:21:05]  Me, I've been polite this whole time.
[00:21:07]  I've been great.
[00:21:08]  I'm a doctor.
[00:21:09]  So naturally, nothing was achieved by this hearing, and the judge had to hear another case, so he dismissed everyone.
[00:21:15]  He tried to move on to the next case, but Enoch wouldn't leave, so he had to have the guards remove him from the court after his time was over.
[00:21:23]  Well, I mean, in a very literal sense, he didn't have anywhere else he needed to be.
[00:21:27]  True.
[00:21:27]  In the course of these hearings, the school had brought up some important issues, like the fact that Burke had driven onto school grounds, which could introduce an added danger of him hurting students.
[00:21:37]  More frighteningly, he posted videos of himself trespassing on school grounds to Twitter, which ran the risk of violating the privacy of students of the school, leading harassment to the school.
[00:21:48]  It's a huge mess.
[00:21:50]  So the judge was becoming more and more inclined to think that maybe Burke posed a threat and should be committed to jail.
[00:21:56]  Yeah.
[00:21:56]  So that's what he did.
[00:21:58]  The fines weren't working.
[00:21:59]  The security guards at the school weren't working.
[00:22:01]  And Burke's constant trespassing stopped the school from being a school.
[00:22:05]  The judge ordered him to jail until they could hold another hearing.
[00:22:08]  And his judgment says, quote, Mr. Burke has the keys to his own prison.
[00:22:12]  And if he wishes to purge his contempt, he can be released.
[00:22:16]  Even now, after all of this bullshit that I've been describing to you, the court is bending over backwards to accommodate this lunatic.
[00:22:23]  Yeah.
[00:22:24]  And a critical point about all this stuff is that it has nothing to do with him refusing to use a kid's pronouns or any of his views on trans issues.
[00:22:31]  Nope.
[00:22:32]  He was fired for refusing to allow the school to work through his suspension that arose from him disrupting a school church service where he verbally attacked the principal, the administration of the school, and the bishop.
[00:22:43]  He commitTedros misconduct, and maybe he was angry about people having different views about trans people than he did, but none of the consequences that came were because of his beliefs.
[00:22:53]  They all stem from him being a fucking asshole.
[00:22:55]  Yeah, he was just an asshole.
[00:22:56]  Yeah.
[00:22:57]  So he complained to the court that he was being unfairly fired back in 2023.
[00:23:02]  Sure.
[00:23:02]  He was allowed to make his case.
[00:23:04]  He had the opportunity to say, hey, they're firing me because of my beliefs about gender and this is discrimination.
[00:23:11]  The whole thing.
[00:23:11]  He had every opportunity.
[00:23:13]  You may be surprised to hear that instead of making an argument, he yelled at the judge until they had to remove him for contempt and then refused to return after being given multiple explicit opportunities to come back and participate in court.
[00:23:26]  That sounds familiar.
[00:23:26]  Oh, man, does it?
[00:23:27]  Yeah.
[00:23:28]  So the judge in that case had some things that also might feel a little familiar.
[00:23:32]  Oh, yeah.
[00:23:32]  So I thought I'd read this.
[00:23:33]  This is kind of a big chunk of text.
[00:23:35]  But this is from the judge in that original case.
[00:23:40]  Quote, his demeanor and unorthodox behavior were very much evident in the course of the presentation of his appeal before this court.
[00:23:46]  He granted himself free reign to speak disparagingly about and deploy language calculated to traduce and demean those with whose conduct and decisions he did not agree.
[00:23:56]  The conduct of Mr. Burke at the religious service in the chapel was wholly disrespectful towards the school's principal and entirely inappropriate.
[00:24:03]  By the standards of civilized behavior, his conduct was simply outrageous.
[00:24:07]  By any objective measure, his conduct was highly confrontational and calculated to cause maximum embarrassment and stress to the school principal and to undermine her publicly and openly in front of key stakeholders, parents, some students, clergy, members of the church hierarchy, and other persons connected with the school as well as teachers.
[00:24:26]  By any measure, the disruption of the chapel service on June 2022, at which the bishop was officiating, was wholly unorthodox, and Mr. Burke's lack of insight into the inappropriateness of his behavior speaks to either his inability or unwillingness to engage in dialogue or discussion as one might conventionally expect to find in a school setting where through the mechanism of dialogue,
[00:24:50]  a means would be arrived at which would be mutually respectful of the teacher's concerns on the one hand and the spiritual and moral values of a student and their family on the other.
[00:25:00]  The appellant appears to lack all insight into the extent to which his conduct was inappropriate, undermining, intimidating, contemptuous towards and demeaning of the school principal.
[00:25:13]  Even on his own version of events, his behavior was confrontational and wholly out of place having regard to the nature of the event as a ceremony of religious worship.
[00:25:23]  The wide variety of attendees and the solemn occasion.
[00:25:26]  His approach in all matters appears to be directed towards getting his own way at all costs whilst being incapable and/or unwilling to engage in respectful dialogue in an effort to achieve a mutually acceptable compromise, which might adequately address his concerns.
[00:25:43]  One is driven to the conclusion that he quite enjoys conflict and confrontation and the passing notoriety his willful and contemptuous contempt of court has brought upon him.
[00:25:54]  Sure.
[00:25:55]  Sorry, that was a chunky paragraph, but that's just Alex.
[00:25:59]  Yep.
[00:25:59]  Nailed it.
[00:26:00]  You can't really sum up his actions around the Sandy Hook trial better than saying that he appeared to lack all insight into the extent which his conduct was inappropriate and that he quite enjoys conflict and the confrontation that the case brought him.
[00:26:14]  This guy is just a baby who can't accept the consequences of his actions and eventually decided that consequences didn't actually exist because no one was holding him responsible for the severe harm that he's causing people.
[00:26:26]  A parent should have beat the shit out of him for coming to that school and putting all the students there in danger and profoundly disrupting their education, but instead he showed up from multiple school years and pretended that he still taught there.
[00:26:38]  He flagrantly ignored the court's attempts to get him to stop trespassing at a school, but instead of being adult about it, he decided to pretend that it was all him being persecuted for not accepting trans people.
[00:26:50]  Through playing that game of pretend, he's made himself very useful to demagogues and pieces of shit like Alex, who are desperate to pretend that people are getting arrested for not using people's preferred pronouns.
[00:27:00]  It's a whole cottage industry that he's being able to make himself a part of.
[00:27:06]  There are cases where police and courts are legitimately encroaching on people's rights or where people are being unfairly treated, but it's pathetic for Alex to treat the story like this is one of them.
[00:27:16]  In order to accept that he's reporting on this story as a guy who's going to jail for life for using the wrong pronouns, you have to accept that either one, he's such an anti-trans zealot that he's willing to lie about every aspect of this story, or two, he's so lazy that he hasn't looked into it at all.
[00:27:34]  The reason I spent as much time on this as I have is because this is a mirror.
[00:27:38]  Both Enoch, Burke, and Alex were given every opportunity to prove their underlying claims.
[00:27:44]  Alex had his cases that ended up in default where he could have argued that his actions were protected under the First Amendment, and Burke had this 2023 case where he could have argued that he was fired unjustly for being against trans people.
[00:27:56]  Both men made conscious decisions not to engage with those cases, most likely because they knew damn well they couldn't succeed with the dumb arguments they were trying to make, and they didn't want to be embarrassed by the finality of losing the case.
[00:28:10]  Instead, they both tried to sabotage the proceedings until the court had enough, which allowed them to play the victim and pretend at later hearings that they never got the chance to make their case, and they've been silenced.
[00:28:22]  I don't think that the court system is equipped to deal with people who act like this and who are financially incentivized to act like this.
[00:28:28]  So I'm pumped that judge threw Burke in jail.
[00:28:31]  Yeah.
[00:28:31]  And someone should have done that to Alex.
[00:28:33]  Yeah, I mean, it has become more and more apparent that there should be like, and I think, I think the problem with it is it's like that one asshole with the Secretary of Retribution shit.
[00:28:49]  There needs to be a separate thing where it's like, oh, guys, this is one of ours.
[00:28:55]  You're not capable of handling this.

=== Paid Up, Doors Open (03:10) ===

[00:28:57]  You're great at so many things.
[00:28:58]  The court system can do a lot of stuff well, but you can't handle this guy.
[00:29:02]  I'll take care of it.
[00:29:03]  Yeah, you know, I'm only comfortable with that with a lot of oversight, with a lot of like, a lot of, are we sure we babied this person?
[00:29:13]  Are we sure we gave them every opportunity and their pattern of behavior is clearly exploiting the way the system isn't built to deal with fraud.
[00:29:23]  But that's where I get to come in.
[00:29:24]  And I get to be like, you guys have a whole thing of like, what is babying?
[00:29:29]  And I go, like, here is the line.
[00:29:31]  He reached it.
[00:29:32]  He's mine now.
[00:29:33]  You know, like, I understand that there's a lot of middle ground and a lot of gray area, but that's not where he and I live.
[00:29:39]  Right.
[00:29:39]  He and I live in a separate place where you reach the line and I'll take care of it.
[00:29:43]  You want to create the Alex Jones line, like the Mendoza line.
[00:29:46]  Honestly, yes, I do.
[00:29:48]  I think that there should be a like, hey, actually, you've reached a real spot where it's only you and Alex.
[00:29:56]  So guess what?
[00:29:57]  You get to be treated like Alex.
[00:29:59]  We're done.
[00:29:59]  Gone.
[00:30:00]  Yeah.
[00:30:00]  Rip him out of here.
[00:30:01]  Like, if this guy was actually being oppressed, like, for his beliefs about trans people, then that might be inappropriate.
[00:30:12]  You know, there might be some argument to be made, but that's not the case that's going on at all.
[00:30:17]  And his actions, if left unchecked, because clearly the fines don't work, mitigation measures don't work, no one's kicking his ass, like because those things aren't happening, like he's fucking up people's lives.
[00:30:33]  Like everyone who goes to school there has to deal with him just showing up and trying to sneak through the doors whenever they're when they can.
[00:30:40]  He disrupts education.
[00:30:43]  The school has to pay for a guard, which they conceivably don't have the budget for.
[00:30:48]  Like it's you can't do that.
[00:30:50]  This is another one where it's like, for I understand all of those solutions that those people came up with, but they didn't think about things the way that I think of things, which is if anybody shows up to work more than two months in a row without getting paid for it, they're insane.
[00:31:05]  Whatever else you think is like what's really crazy about them, they showed up to work for 60 days and no one paid them.
[00:31:14]  Yeah, and they have a family who's willing to yell at them.
[00:31:17]  Absolutely.
[00:31:18]  This is a whole thing.
[00:31:19]  There's such a problem here.
[00:31:20]  Right, right.
[00:31:21]  And it has nothing to do with LGBTQ fraud.
[00:31:23]  We don't need it.
[00:31:24]  It has everything to do with these people are a mess.
[00:31:27]  This is a mess.
[00:31:28]  Yeah.
[00:31:28]  How do you show up to work for 60 days without getting paid?
[00:31:32]  Yeah, I'm certain that if it were relevant, like some teacher being a weirdo, there would be a long paper trail that we could find about.
[00:31:44]  This is not the first time this guy has done something weird.
[00:31:46]  It never is.
[00:31:47]  Yeah.
[00:31:48]  It never is.
[00:31:49]  So, yeah, I fell down that rabbit hole and wanted to share that court story with you.

=== Fun Stories Out of Procedure (04:32) ===

[00:31:54]  It's so fascinating because courts do, like the truest weirdos will wind up in a court sooner or later.
[00:32:01]  There's just no way around it.
[00:32:02]  They're not built for this world.
[00:32:04]  And courts aren't built for them.
[00:32:05]  So we get fun stories out of it.
[00:32:07]  Yeah.
[00:32:07]  Yeah.
[00:32:08]  And the adherence to procedure running up against crazy.
[00:32:15]  What is wrong with you, idiots?
[00:32:16]  Yeah.
[00:32:17]  Oh, it's beautiful.
[00:32:18]  So we get back to some other more familiar stuff.
[00:32:23]  And Alex is running defense for Pete Hegset, as is his want.
[00:32:29]  Oh, an Inspector General report came out.
[00:32:32]  Hegseth did nothing sending out on a signal text that the strikes had begun.
[00:32:40]  And it turns out they had somebody had planted other people that shouldn't be on the list on there.
[00:32:46]  Gee, wonder who did that?
[00:32:48]  I predicted it when it first broke.
[00:32:51]  You got Jeffrey Goldberg involved?
[00:32:55]  Literal massage/slash Obama Democrat operative?
[00:33:01]  Come on.
[00:33:03]  So the Inspector General report about Pete Hegseth's use of Signal as it relates to the bombings in Yemen came out on December 2nd, and Alex is flagrantly lying about it.
[00:33:13]  I'll read to you here from their findings.
[00:33:15]  All right.
[00:33:15]  Quote, we concluded that the Secretary sent sensitive, non-public, operational information that he determined did not require classification over the signal chat on his personal cell phone.
[00:33:26]  The secretary is the head original classification authority in the DOD based on Executive Order 13526 and DOD manual 5200.45 and holds the authority to determine the required classification level of all DOD information he communicates.
[00:33:45]  However, because the Secretary indicated that he used the Signal application on his personal cell phone to send non-public DOD information, we concluded that the Secretary's actions did not comply with DOD instruction 8170.01, which prohibits using a personal device for official business and using non-approved commercially available messaging applications to send non-public DOD information.
[00:34:09]  They recommended that the Department of Defense explain to the senior staff why they have rules about these kinds of things.
[00:34:15]  And if they could do that, then it would be appropriate to handle this as an internal kind of thing.
[00:34:20]  Like how if you get in trouble at your office job, HR might make you go to a training session.
[00:34:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:26]  It's that kind of thing.
[00:34:26]  But with bombing Yemen.
[00:34:28]  Also, Alex has basic facts of the case wrong, like how the messages were sent two hours before the strikes, not when they were launched.
[00:34:35]  And it's clear that Alex is lying about these details because he knows that the real version of the story is way harder to defend.
[00:34:42]  Yeah.
[00:34:42]  Hegseth didn't get set up, and no matter who was in that chat, their actions would be just as much of a problem.
[00:34:49]  Like it doesn't matter if everyone in there had top secret classification.
[00:34:54]  It's still a personal cell phone and a publicly available messaging app.
[00:34:59]  Those problems don't magically go away because the Atlantic guy was in it.
[00:35:04]  I mean, there's nothing else to say, but don't do this.
[00:35:07]  Yeah.
[00:35:07]  It's bad.
[00:35:08]  I don't even recommend regular people do that with some sensitive information.
[00:35:12]  Yeah.
[00:35:13]  It's disconcerting, though, to see that Alex has now just decided to start calling all the Jewish people he's mad at Mossad agents.
[00:35:19]  Jeffrey Goldberg is an interesting case because he's a Jewish man who was born in the United States, who later moved to Israel, became a citizen, and then joined the IDF, who then gave up his Israeli citizenship in 2013.
[00:35:32]  He's definitely a Zionist in his ideology, but he also doesn't line up with most of the goals of the Netanyahu government as we understand them in the present.
[00:35:42]  So it seems like a pretty big leap to assume that he's employed by Mossad.
[00:35:46]  But the only reason you would do that is because he's Jewish.
[00:35:49]  Yeah.
[00:35:49]  And Alex is just Nazism is cool in his circle now.
[00:35:55]  Yeah.
[00:35:56]  Yeah.
[00:35:56]  You know, that's one of those underlying things where it is removing people from being people and turning them into aliens.
[00:36:05]  Because in a sense, you're saying that all Jewish people are willing to work for Mossad by virtue of them being Jewish for no like reward whatsoever.

=== Pictures in the Situation Room (03:51) ===

[00:36:15]  Well, it's like a magnification of the dual loyalty.
[00:36:19]  Exactly.
[00:36:21]  That kind of trope.
[00:36:22]  Yeah, there's the twin of like, oh, these are cockroaches.
[00:36:25]  They're less than human.
[00:36:26]  And then there's that version of it where it's like, they're unrecognizable from you wouldn't do that because you're not fucking crazy, but all of them are.
[00:36:34]  That kind of thing.
[00:36:36]  Yeah.
[00:36:36]  Every Jewish person that you see is a potential Israeli citizen.
[00:36:42]  Absolutely.
[00:36:42]  And by virtue of that, they're Mossad agents.
[00:36:44]  We're doing like Matrix shit.
[00:36:46]  Like it could be Hugo Weaving at any point in time.
[00:36:50]  It's garbage.
[00:36:50]  Yeah.
[00:36:51]  So Hegseth, you know, he shut down those boats.
[00:36:55]  Sure.
[00:36:55]  He was cool on that.
[00:36:56]  Nah.
[00:36:57]  And you know what's really great about him?
[00:36:59]  He doesn't pose for pictures and like pretend to be in the situation room.
[00:37:04]  Him and Trump don't do that kind of stuff.
[00:37:06]  Except when they do.
[00:37:07]  Wow.
[00:37:07]  Oh, oh, they're on Capitol Hill meeting about Hegseth.
[00:37:11]  Oh, secret meeting with the senators.
[00:37:13]  Oh, it's already come out yesterday, last yesterday afternoon, that they went and interviewed everybody and the Navy and they released the info.
[00:37:23]  They've said, no, no, he just said the president ordered the next confirmed drug boat hit.
[00:37:27]  He gave the order.
[00:37:29]  They call him up and say, we're about to hit it.
[00:37:30]  He says, hit it.
[00:37:34]  And that's it.
[00:37:35]  He goes, I'm a busy guy.
[00:37:38]  It's not like the movies or those photo ops Obama does, where he's in the situation room dropping the bombs with the drones.
[00:37:43]  And, you know, I'm really good at killing people.
[00:37:46]  Two words: predator drones.
[00:37:49]  Heg Seth and them aren't sitting there jacking off on television, you know, in Tom Clancy-style situation room stuff.
[00:37:58]  It's just not the reality.
[00:38:00]  Now, Trump on big strikes on Iran and stuff, that was a big deal.
[00:38:03]  So he was in there for that.
[00:38:05]  That's because he was obviously going to see what's going on.
[00:38:07]  I wanted to see what was going on.
[00:38:09]  You know, so obviously, there were those pictures.
[00:38:12]  You know, he's curious.
[00:38:15]  There should be busy.
[00:38:16]  Okay, there should be more Home Alone-based traps for certain phrases and things that you can say.
[00:38:24]  Like, if you completely negate something immediately after saying it, you should get hit with a paint can, right?
[00:38:29]  It should just like swing down and like knock you over.
[00:38:32]  Yeah, God should drop it.
[00:38:33]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:38:34]  There should be home alone style problem solving.
[00:38:36]  Paint can be hanging over your head at all times.
[00:38:42]  Yeah, I think that there's something really special about Alex's ability to do stuff like that in such quick succession.
[00:38:52]  Yeah.
[00:38:52]  Like he's complaining about the vanity and the like, oh, the staged photo ops of all the other people.
[00:38:59]  Sentence upon sentence upon sentence.
[00:39:01]  And it's a virtue that his guys don't do that.
[00:39:03]  Never do that.
[00:39:04]  And then he realizes in the moment, oh, there's a lot of pictures.
[00:39:07]  They do it all the time.
[00:39:09]  Oh, fuck.
[00:39:09]  I got to justify it.
[00:39:11]  Wanted to see what's going on.
[00:39:12]  They wanted to see what was going on.
[00:39:13]  At no point in time did Obama want to see what was going on.
[00:39:16]  He just wanted to check it off.
[00:39:18]  No point in time does Trump want photo ops.
[00:39:20]  He just wants to see what is going on.
[00:39:23]  Neither of these two are exactly the same, wanting to do both at the same time.
[00:39:27]  Yeah.
[00:39:28]  No, Trump's not jagging.
[00:39:29]  No.
[00:39:30]  So anyway, everyone's attacking Heg Seth.
[00:39:33]  Sure.
[00:39:33]  And all of this is about poisoning the people's mind.
[00:39:36]  Right.
[00:39:37]  So when the Civil War starts, the military won't be loyal to Trump.
[00:39:40]  Right.
[00:39:41]  Or something.
[00:39:42]  So it's all blown to their face.
[00:39:44]  But more importantly, what is it about?
[00:39:46]  And I know you all know the answer.

=== States Secede Crisis (04:16) ===

[00:39:48]  So let's tell everybody else because this is how we raise the alarm.
[00:39:51]  It's about preparing some big event, some false flag to be blamed on Trump and the National Guard and the Border Patrol and all the rest of it.
[00:40:06]  And it is about when this big event comes trying to sell the public and the blue states and everybody on turning against America.
[00:40:19]  And of course, the blue states will do it because they're globalist.
[00:40:21]  And then using that illusion and using that supposed grab attach or strength of, oh, look, see all these blue states seceded because Trump's a dictator.
[00:40:34]  Believing that that will start put enough pressure on the body politic of the military to stage a coup against Trump.
[00:40:41]  This is really dumb.
[00:40:43]  If some states secede from the union, we are past the point where we need to worry about the body politic and their support of Trump.
[00:40:49]  If we get to the point where multiple states secede, it's probably game over for the world.
[00:40:54]  For one thing, the world economy is completely fucked, and the instability of that will ripple through every market and currency in the world.
[00:41:02]  For another thing, do states get to keep their nukes when they secede?
[00:41:06]  Isn't that weird?
[00:41:07]  Because it seems like some states, they're housed there.
[00:41:11]  Right.
[00:41:11]  Right?
[00:41:12]  Right.
[00:41:12]  How are you going to get them back if they secede?
[00:41:14]  Not going to get them back.
[00:41:15]  Huh, that's messy.
[00:41:16]  That's real bad.
[00:41:16]  While we're on the subject, it seems pretty likely that if a couple states secede from the Union and while we're trying to sort that out, Russia and China will definitely see that as an opportunity to gain some ground.
[00:41:26]  So who knows what they'll do?
[00:41:28]  The international order kind of falls apart without the U.S. investment and weapons.
[00:41:32]  So it could be a make hay while the sun shines kind of moment that we find ourselves in.
[00:41:39]  I get that the fantasy Alex has is that there's going to be another 1860s style civil war, but that shit is never going to happen in the modern world.
[00:41:46]  Even if Trump is a dictator, it is not in New York or California's best interest to secede from the Union.
[00:41:52]  Like it just, it's dumb.
[00:41:54]  Well, it's it overcomplicates things, creates more problems than it solves.
[00:41:59]  Right.
[00:41:59]  But even then, again, like the states aren't real.
[00:42:03]  Like they don't actually exist.
[00:42:05]  They're arbitrary lines.
[00:42:07]  So if the government of New York State is like, we secede, then plenty of New York State will be like, no, I don't.
[00:42:16]  Right?
[00:42:16]  Like, they can only do what they can do within what is agreed upon within New York State, the nation that they've created.
[00:42:23]  You don't just have to be in New Yorkistan now.
[00:42:26]  Right.
[00:42:26]  You know?
[00:42:27]  Well, yes and no.
[00:42:28]  Geography, yes, somewhat arbitrary in the way that like counties and cities and states are drawn.
[00:42:36]  But the state itself as like a financial organizing thing can have some sort of like, okay, we're not going to allow businesses that don't recognize us as the central authority of the state.
[00:42:53]  So before we even get to negotiating our exit from the United States, we have to negotiate our exit from ourself, the New York state, which would then hopefully provide an armistice time where the people of New York State who don't want to become new citizens are allowed to return back to the United States.
[00:43:10]  You know, like just the border treaties with every surrounding state.
[00:43:16]  Nonstop.
[00:43:17]  Wouldn't even be like, oh, there's going to be a move from Russia or China.
[00:43:21]  It would just take 50 years to even start being like, hey, we're going to get out of here.
[00:43:25]  Let's imagine no shooting and bombing and shit ends up happening.
[00:43:29]  The bureaucratic nonsense would take forever.
[00:43:32]  No, it makes more sense to take over the United States than to secede from the United States.
[00:43:38]  Yeah.
[00:43:39]  And if Trump is a dictator, then you just kind of like, I think that the states would recognize that, like, all right, best thing to do is resist as we can and roll the bones.

=== Alex's Lying Rhetoric (11:38) ===

[00:43:51]  Yeah, now we're, now we're like, now we're not states.
[00:43:54]  We're bureaucratic entities underneath the solid federal government entirely.
[00:43:59]  You know, it's not that big a difference to move from dictatorship to what we had.
[00:44:04]  From a business's standpoint, probably not.
[00:44:06]  From a business's standpoint, yeah.
[00:44:07]  Yeah.
[00:44:08]  So Alex talks about this sinking of boat stuff.
[00:44:12]  Sure.
[00:44:12]  And what do you think?
[00:44:14]  What do you, based on what you've heard and Alex's rhetoric, why are they doing that?
[00:44:20]  Why are they just blowing up boats?
[00:44:23]  Yeah, what's the rationale?
[00:44:24]  Okay, well, if you have drugs on a boat and then you blow it up, then those drugs can never be replaced or used again.
[00:44:31]  So you've permanently removed from the market a small amount of drugs.
[00:44:36]  If you do that often enough, there will be no drugs left.
[00:44:38]  Non-fungible.
[00:44:39]  Presumably, they cannot be continually produced.
[00:44:42]  So it is about drugs.
[00:44:44]  That's the idea that you have in your head.
[00:44:45]  Right.
[00:44:46]  Nah, ha ha.
[00:44:47]  Foolish.
[00:44:47]  Well, shit.
[00:44:48]  I mean, if Trump said, yeah, we're taking Venezuela out to cut out the Democrats' election fraud, they'd go, there's no election fraud.
[00:44:54]  My God, that's insane.
[00:44:56]  That is insane.
[00:44:57]  So he goes, oh, it's the fentanyl.
[00:44:58]  They go, sir, they've shipped most of the fentanyl because the Mexican drug cartels in your first administration, you threatened to kill a bunch of them, and you did.
[00:45:05]  So actually, sir, they followed your orders eight years ago and it all moved to Canada.
[00:45:09]  It's the Canadians now doing it with the Chinese.
[00:45:11]  So he's like, okay, well, we'll just cocaine then.
[00:45:15]  Yeah.
[00:45:16]  And people go, oh, well, for cocaine and heroin, you're going to kill everybody?
[00:45:20]  But they are backstopping the Mexican drug cartels.
[00:45:22]  Wait.
[00:45:23]  But let me tell you, it started about a year in his first administration, and it came out in the news.
[00:45:29]  And I was down in Puerto Varta.
[00:45:31]  So gorgeous.
[00:45:32]  If you go more south, don't go to main Puerto Rico, go to the old town up in the mountains.
[00:45:37]  What a gorgeous.
[00:45:37]  What a world.
[00:45:38]  What a show.
[00:45:38]  Perfectly clear crystal green water.
[00:45:40]  Kill them all.
[00:45:41]  Like, you got to go.
[00:45:42]  You got to visit.
[00:45:42]  The water is great.
[00:45:44]  Beautiful.
[00:45:44]  My wife speaks Spanish.
[00:45:47]  She's not Spanish, but she likes and speaks to.
[00:45:50]  You don't have to jump.
[00:45:52]  Thanks for letting us know.
[00:45:53]  But we just have everybody tell us everything.
[00:45:55]  Like, oh, yes, we like Trump.
[00:45:56]  No, no, we don't like to do fentanyl, but that's what we were told to sell.
[00:45:59]  It kills our own people down here.
[00:46:00]  And now they've been, Sinaloa, that's what runs down there, has been killing anyone that sells it.
[00:46:05]  And I was looking at the news where they were killing anybody selling it because Trump was already having special forces kill Sinaloa leadership and they didn't stop.
[00:46:14]  So yeah, it's not true.
[00:46:15]  We're really going there to do this.
[00:46:17]  But he has to set the precedent that we can blow their boats up and make it about drugs, which is still reasonable.
[00:46:23]  It's still going to kill a bunch of people and still wait through banks.
[00:46:25]  So he has a right to do it.
[00:46:27]  Wait.
[00:46:27]  But it's not really why.
[00:46:29]  It is the election fraud.
[00:46:30]  It is the destabilization.
[00:46:32]  And if you want to beat the Democrats, folks, the globalists, the ChICOMs, and the Crema Loma's the CIA, then you want regime change down there.
[00:46:38]  Oh, boy.
[00:46:39]  Okay, so if I understand correctly, even though he won, right?
[00:46:46]  He's going to take over Venezuela because of their election frauding on an election that he won.
[00:46:54]  Thus keeping the Democrats from winning the election that he won.
[00:46:57]  Kind of payback for 2020, you know?
[00:46:59]  Right.
[00:46:59]  Right, right, right.
[00:47:00]  Okay.
[00:47:00]  Okay.
[00:47:01]  So you can't come up with a worse spin to be delivered by someone who's pretended to be the character Alex has for the last 30 years.
[00:47:08]  Apparently, the sinking of these boats is retaliation for Venezuela engaging in election fraud in the U.S., but Trump knows that he couldn't get away with saying that as the public reason, so he's lying.
[00:47:19]  He's lying to everybody.
[00:47:21]  If Alex is fine with a president lying about their use of the military and he has no problem with them killing people from another country because of unfounded conspiracies about election fraud, then he can't have any of the complaints that he's had over his career.
[00:47:36]  He could have all the same political positions, but it's important to understand that he couldn't have made his arguments the way that he has if this is what he believes.
[00:47:45]  Trump thinks that Venezuela is doing election fraud in the U.S., so he's blowing up their boats and lying to the public about them being narco-terrorists because that works better for him politically.
[00:47:55]  Alex has accepted and justified that he's doing this because it's in service of solving a larger problem, which is that Venezuela is working with the globalists to do all that election fraud.
[00:48:05]  If Trump has to lie in order to sell the public on accepting the military actions he's doing, then that's just the cost of doing business.
[00:48:12]  If you believe this, then every false flag Alex has ever accused the government of pulling is pretty much justifiable.
[00:48:19]  It's a little harder to justify, but I thought through and I could argue that 9-11 being an inside job can be an acceptable act if you use this framework that Alex was putting forth.
[00:48:29]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:48:30]  But leaving aside any attacks where U.S. citizens were killed or the deaths happened inside the United States, what's the problem with false flags?
[00:48:39]  No U.S. citizens were killed in the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and yet Alex brings it up regularly as a horrible false flag.
[00:48:46]  But why?
[00:48:47]  In the worst case scenario, LBJ lied about what happened in order to fight what he thought was a bigger problem, which was communists in Vietnam.
[00:48:55]  That should be totally fine with Alex.
[00:48:58]  He should have no problems.
[00:49:01]  This is important because it strips bare what Alex really believes.
[00:49:05]  For the better part of his career, he's only been interesting to anyone because he's pretended to be a guy who values principles.
[00:49:12]  Tricking the public into accepting a war is wrong.
[00:49:15]  That's a sentiment that people can get on board with.
[00:49:18]  Seems very, I don't understand how it's even a spoken sentiment.
[00:49:22]  It's a four-quadrant position.
[00:49:24]  Right.
[00:49:24]  Everyone's in.
[00:49:25]  Everybody should even just be like, oh, that's our baseline.
[00:49:28]  Yeah.
[00:49:29]  But behind that, Alex's real position was tricking the public into accepting a war is okay if I like the person doing it and support why they're doing it.
[00:49:38]  Right.
[00:49:38]  It's all conditional, and that's not what he sold the audience.
[00:49:42]  I hate to say this 1,100 episodes into our podcast, but it's kind of simple in one sense.
[00:49:49]  Alex likes when his guys do things and doesn't like it when the guys he doesn't like do things, but he desperately wants to be seen as deeper than that.
[00:49:58]  Sure.
[00:49:58]  Another thing that Alex needs to address here is that if what he's saying in that clip is true, then he has been lying to his audience for years.
[00:50:06]  Yes.
[00:50:07]  He's claiming that he's known that fentanyl coming from the southern border isn't a big problem since like 2018, but he's continued to use fears around that issue to demonize immigrants and justify police state action.
[00:50:20]  He's either lying in that clip directly or he's been lying about this for years to the audience in order to help Trump accrue power through fear, which is kind of what his career has been about.
[00:50:34]  Right.
[00:50:34]  Warning that the globalists would do.
[00:50:36]  I have a point of order.
[00:50:38]  Yeah.
[00:50:38]  All right.
[00:50:39]  So I don't, so if you're Alex, right, and you've accepted that Trump is too smart to just say that it's election fraud, right?
[00:50:50]  And he is instead lying because that will allow him to do this politically, right?
[00:50:55]  But in no way is the opposition going to be fooled or even care what his quote unquote his stated reasoning is.
[00:51:03]  You can't believe it.
[00:51:05]  Even if it's accurate, you shouldn't believe it.
[00:51:07]  Right.
[00:51:07]  Right.
[00:51:08]  And I don't think either would necessarily like the opposition would be like, oh, okay.
[00:51:13]  Right, right, right.
[00:51:14]  Exactly.
[00:51:14]  People are still mad about the narco-terrorist argument for the boats.
[00:51:18]  Exactly.
[00:51:19]  We don't need to, like, oh, well, it's actually, you know, like.
[00:51:22]  You got us there.
[00:51:23]  So then he is saying, Alex must be saying that Trump is lying to you, the people who like Trump, because you are not smart enough to recognize that Trump is actually making the right move.
[00:51:36]  Whereas Alex is smart enough to recognize that, thus saying that all of the MAGA people are kind of dumb.
[00:51:42]  No, no.
[00:51:44]  A number of the MAGA people are dumb.
[00:51:46]  And that's fine.
[00:51:47]  That is fine.
[00:51:48]  You need them.
[00:51:49]  Well, don't we all?
[00:51:50]  But the true MAGA people are see that Trump is doing this.
[00:51:56]  Right.
[00:51:56]  And they're smart enough to read through it and know that he means them well.
[00:52:01]  He's lying for their own benefit.
[00:52:03]  Right.
[00:52:03]  Misinformation is good for friends and allies and animation.
[00:52:06]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:52:07]  All that shit.
[00:52:08]  I think what we've reached is a spot where I think we, and none of us were really fully ready to be here now, but Trump can just say, like, oh, I'm going after him for election fraud.
[00:52:18]  Yeah.
[00:52:19]  That would make no difference.
[00:52:20]  Nope.
[00:52:20]  So any concept of like, Trump is saying this for political reasons does not exist.
[00:52:26]  I no longer accept that.
[00:52:28]  There are no such thing as political reasons.
[00:52:29]  He's doing it, and then he's saying why he's doing it.
[00:52:32]  I don't care if it's true or not.
[00:52:33]  That's just what's happening.
[00:52:34]  Yeah, it might as well be whatever he says is the truth.
[00:52:38]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:52:39]  So in this next clip, Alex, I can't really describe this in any other way as like he descends into a stretch of doing self-affirmations online or on air about how great his stock is.
[00:52:54]  All right.
[00:52:55]  Anytime I've done something wrong, and it's always I slip up, I'm not thinking, I'm tired, I'm mad, and I'll do a bad thing sometimes.
[00:53:02]  Nothing huge, but I'll twist something in my mind, do something wrong, do something vengeful.
[00:53:07]  I'll wake up at like 3 a.m. Just feeling terrible.
[00:53:13]  And I'm like, this doesn't happen very often.
[00:53:14]  I'll say, why do I feel terrible?
[00:53:18]  And I think, what would your grandmother think about that?
[00:53:25]  And she's alive in heaven.
[00:53:26]  She's watching.
[00:53:28]  And I literally feel her presence.
[00:53:30]  And I have different connections, different grandparents, different things.
[00:53:33]  But my mother's mother was such a great, smart, deep lady, and such a truly committed Christian.
[00:53:39]  Not some Bible thumper fake, but the real deal.
[00:53:41]  Also psychological.
[00:53:44]  I spoke to the devil.
[00:53:46]  Yeah, I just think, you know, you come from really good people.
[00:53:49]  You got to be the best.
[00:53:53]  And you can't cut corners.
[00:53:55]  Oh, I get tempted.
[00:53:56]  I get tempted to use dark side stuff, folks.
[00:53:59]  I know the dark side better than most people at the top of the dark side.
[00:54:02]  I can use it so good on them.
[00:54:04]  But again, that's the ring of Mordor.
[00:54:06]  Yeah, it'll work in the first phase, but it always rots and creates something way worse when you use it.
[00:54:11]  You cannot use the Ring of Doom.
[00:54:15]  So fun to listen to this just guy talking in the mirror.
[00:54:18]  Just, I mean, how do you not, if you say that, you cannot use the ring of doom, how do you not go, oh, Trump winning and now having the ring of doom is why we're here.
[00:54:30]  Well, a couple months ago, Alex said that Trump put on the ring.
[00:54:34]  Right.
[00:54:34]  And because he was trying to justify the Epstein stuff.
[00:54:37]  In your own metaphor, you're saying that you knew we were going to be here.
[00:54:41]  Yeah, and Trump is evil.
[00:54:42]  He put on the ring.
[00:54:43]  Yeah.
[00:54:43]  Yeah.
[00:54:44]  Also, you remember when Alex was talking about praying for the angel of death to visit his family?
[00:54:49]  I do remember that.
[00:54:51]  I wonder what his grandma thought of him.
[00:54:53]  He was very, he was, she might be the angel of death these days.
[00:54:56]  Could be.
[00:54:56]  I would grab a heaven.
[00:54:59]  I would grab a Jones.
[00:55:00]  If I was looking for a new angel of death, I'd be like, let's pick from that family.
[00:55:04]  The Texans have got it.
[00:55:05]  Buckley's dad.
[00:55:06]  Yeah.
[00:55:07]  Let's get him in there.
[00:55:08]  And a DJ.
[00:55:10]  No, I don't think that's genetic.

=== Killing Everyone in Venezuela? (07:49) ===

[00:55:12]  Fair enough.
[00:55:13]  Although, I think it would have to be.
[00:55:15]  I mean, Jones would have to believe that his DJ skills are a genetic sense memory.
[00:55:20]  Yeah, it's something epigenetic for sure.
[00:55:23]  His dad gave him his for sure.
[00:55:28]  Yep.
[00:55:29]  So Alex in this next clip talks about how I think it's really tough to say for sure.
[00:55:35]  Sure.
[00:55:36]  But it seems like he's saying that we need to kill everyone in Venezuela.
[00:55:40]  Right.
[00:55:40]  That seems like too many.
[00:55:42]  Yeah, and then he starts rambling about how he predicted the plot of Ender's game before seeing it.
[00:55:50]  And then he's just a mess.
[00:55:52]  Oh, boy.
[00:55:52]  You know, if the Martians had a mothership out by the moon launching attacks on the Earth, we're not just going to fight the ships they're sending at us.
[00:56:01]  The first thing the Pentagon would do in five minutes saying, where are those ships coming from?
[00:56:05]  Blow up the origin.
[00:56:06]  Blow up the mothership.
[00:56:08]  Blow up the flagship.
[00:56:10]  Well, look at Venezuela as a Martian mothership that is politically, with money laundering and election fraud and all of it, the secret piggy bank where the Democrats and the CIA elements can commit their crimes.
[00:56:29]  So obviously, you know, I never read the Endergame books, but my sister didn't like them.
[00:56:37]  And then I went and watched the movie, and it was okay.
[00:56:39]  And like, about 20 minutes to the end, there's this girl that's a genius, and she knows how to beat her little boy or whatever it is.
[00:56:51]  And it's a little boy.
[00:56:52]  And then they get to the home planet of the ant-like creatures that are attacking Earth.
[00:57:00]  And instead of with the fleet blowing up all the ships, which he didn't have enough ships and missiles to do, he blows up the whole planet.
[00:57:10]  And I said 20 minutes before he got to the scene, I said, let me guess.
[00:57:14]  I'm sitting there watching it with my sister and Rex when he was still little.
[00:57:19]  I go, let me guess he blows up the ant planet.
[00:57:25]  And my sister's like, well, how do you know that?
[00:57:27]  You have read the book.
[00:57:28]  And I said, no, I can already see they're losing these battles.
[00:57:31]  And it's all.
[00:57:32]  And then they apologize.
[00:57:33]  Oh, we're sorry we genocided you.
[00:57:35]  And he saves a queen and its eggs and moves it to go build a new planet.
[00:57:40]  It's like, do you even need to read 10 books or whatever it is to know this?
[00:57:46]  That is a good question.
[00:57:47]  Do you need to read books to know what's in them?
[00:57:50]  The base.
[00:57:53]  You know, if you tried to fight each bee that's going to come out of a big-ass beehive hanging off a tree with a ping-pong paddle.
[00:58:02]  I'm listening.
[00:58:02]  All you're going to do is make those bees mad.
[00:58:07]  Yeah, my dad was so bored in the ranch growing up as a kid.
[00:58:09]  They used to fight bees with ping-pong paddles and wasps.
[00:58:12]  That was the sport.
[00:58:13]  Seriously, until too many came out and he'd run.
[00:58:15]  So I already tell the stories.
[00:58:16]  I went and did it myself and got stung a bunch.
[00:58:18]  So I only did it once.
[00:58:20]  Hey, man, you're right.
[00:58:23]  You sound fucking stupid.
[00:58:24]  This is a bull.
[00:58:28]  Wow.
[00:58:28]  I do love a nice movie.
[00:58:30]  How long ago was Ender's game?
[00:58:31]  Maybe, maybe eight, nine years ago?
[00:58:34]  With the movie?
[00:58:35]  The movie, yeah.
[00:58:36]  I don't know.
[00:58:36]  Rex had to be little.
[00:58:38]  And I don't know if he was little.
[00:58:39]  I don't know when the movie came out.
[00:58:41]  I have no fucking idea.
[00:58:42]  I like that.
[00:58:42]  I assume it was.
[00:58:44]  I mean, he's over, he's like 20 now, I think, probably.
[00:58:47]  Yeah.
[00:58:49]  Little's relative.
[00:58:50]  Look, here's the thing: I love hearing the secondhand sci-fi plot.
[00:58:54]  Always great.
[00:58:55]  And I think Alex sounds fucking stupid.
[00:58:57]  Yep.
[00:58:58]  And, oh, I'm so impressed you predicted a plot of a dumb fucking amazing.
[00:59:05]  I would leave that alone.
[00:59:07]  Except that he's trying to use this as a metaphor to talk about eradicating Venezuela.
[00:59:12]  Sure.
[00:59:14]  That's what he's doing.
[00:59:15]  Yeah, I mean.
[00:59:16]  The real world version of what he's talking about is so serious and so devastating that this trivial shit and this idiotic way of talking about it, it's just offensive.
[00:59:31]  Yeah, I mean, it would be good for him to maybe explore the books, specifically the theme of it is a, so like the main central conflict of the book, the theme, is how do you end conflict for good?
[00:59:50]  Right?
[00:59:51]  So it is a child's way of thinking, right, to kill them all.
[00:59:56]  That's the way you end conflict for good if there's none left.
[00:59:59]  And that's why they exploit a child to do it.
[01:00:02]  Because the sign of maturity is when he realized the way you end conflict is by becoming friends.
[01:00:08]  See, Alex hasn't read it.
[01:00:10]  I think that's clear.
[01:00:11]  Yeah.
[01:00:12]  I think that's clear.
[01:00:12]  And he seems dismissive of the idea of reading.
[01:00:16]  It does feel like that might be why we're in a lot of the situations we're in.
[01:00:21]  Anyway, Alex talks a little bit more about fighting bees.
[01:00:24]  Naturally.
[01:00:24]  Do you beat a nest of bees with a ping-pong paddle?
[01:00:31]  Or if you actually see how exterminators do that when it's on the outside of the house, they just come up with a big giant bag, satchel around the top, tie a big knot, and then cut the top off.
[01:00:43]  And now you got the whole mess of these.
[01:00:45]  And some people are liberal.
[01:00:46]  They want them relocated somewhere and they'll take them to some ranch.
[01:00:48]  Or other people just say, I don't care.
[01:00:50]  So they just go throw it in the trash.
[01:00:55]  But see, we just have to go down to Venezuela and just take a bag and put it around the beehive and tie the top and cut it off and just take the whole big thing and put it in the trash.
[01:01:04]  This is good metaphor.
[01:01:05]  The government of Venezuela.
[01:01:07]  Instead of with a ping-pong paddle, sitting there mindlessly fighting each bee that comes out.
[01:01:18]  All right, let me move on to the other topics.
[01:01:20]  Yeah, good idea.
[01:01:20]  Yeah.
[01:01:21]  So I think that Alex, what he fails to capture in this metaphor is that you can't put a bag around the Venezuelan government.
[01:01:30]  Right.
[01:01:32]  You will kill all the bees.
[01:01:35]  Like, I think he wants to imagine some world where you can just put a little bag around the queen or whatever and then free all the bees.
[01:01:42]  Yes, it does feel like that is what he's going for.
[01:01:44]  That's the kind of acceptable, non-like genocide-y kind of version of this.
[01:01:52]  Yeah.
[01:01:52]  But instead, what Alex is actually advocating for is like extermination.
[01:01:56]  Yeah, that is pretty much the definition of what he's saying.
[01:02:00]  I mean, that's probably, at the very least, unrealistic.
[01:02:06]  Yeah.
[01:02:07]  You don't have that big a bag.
[01:02:09]  No one's got that big a bag.
[01:02:11]  There's just, things are bigger than you might think.
[01:02:14]  Like when you think about how big the earth is, you're like, oh, I've seen a globe.
[01:02:18]  Maybe it's six, seven feet tall.
[01:02:19]  No, it's way big.
[01:02:20]  Yeah.
[01:02:21]  Even small countries are big.
[01:02:23]  They're huge.
[01:02:23]  They're bigger than bags.
[01:02:24]  You're like, oh, this is a small country, but it's very large in real life.
[01:02:28]  Yeah.
[01:02:28]  So what Alex is advocating for is just fucking unacceptable.
[01:02:32]  And the fact that this is okay is no, if anybody within a hall of power or anywhere near a powerful person said things like this, they should be removed instantly.
[01:02:44]  Yeah.
[01:02:44]  You know, like if a congressman is like, hey, what if we kill them all?

=== Alex's Preemptive Damage Control (08:19) ===

[01:02:47]  They should just be defrocked.
[01:02:49]  Like that should be it.
[01:02:50]  And these are the kind of opinions being expressed openly and accepting.
[01:02:57]  Like people, it's not, it doesn't cause a controversy, him saying these things.
[01:03:01]  Sure.
[01:03:01]  And they're the sort of things that you should look back on 20 years later as like horrific.
[01:03:07]  Yeah.
[01:03:07]  Like the fact that someone was doing this kind of a broadcast is like, it's damning.
[01:03:14]  I mean, you think of some of the shit that people said immediately after 9-11.
[01:03:19]  And it was like, it was allowed on TV.
[01:03:22]  And it was mainly, I think, because everybody was so fucking reeling.
[01:03:27]  Yeah.
[01:03:27]  You know, you let some guy say absolutely crazy shit, not because anybody believes it, because it's like, everybody's thinking it.
[01:03:35]  What the fuck do you say?
[01:03:36]  This guy just did this.
[01:03:37]  But later on, adults are like, well, now we can think clearly again.
[01:03:42]  You know, it's only the idiots that just keep going with the fucking blah.
[01:03:47]  Yeah, and do it over and over again.
[01:03:49]  Yep.
[01:03:50]  So we got some other news, and that is one of the big stories.
[01:03:54]  They've arrested the January 6th pipe bomber, who is not the person who Alex and the Blaze accused.
[01:04:03]  Yeah.
[01:04:04]  So that probably means this story's fake.
[01:04:05]  Probably.
[01:04:06]  And oh, they've busted the pipe bomber.
[01:04:10]  They had the alleged pipe bomber.
[01:04:13]  And it's just funny because for years, we're told they have no idea who it is.
[01:04:20]  And then as soon as people zero in on a lady who calls Seraphin just so happened to be staking out the house next door that had another Capitol cop working at it, the lady people zeroed in on and got into an agency software system that could track the gate, the walk, the biometrics had a very high probability it was her.
[01:04:43]  Now that there's all this pressure, we have Brian Cole.
[01:04:51]  Everything we need to know about January 6th riot pipe bomb suspect arrested by FBI.
[01:04:58]  Oh, anarchist ideologists.
[01:05:00]  Okay.
[01:05:01]  So the woman who the right-wing media folks accused of being the bomber is definitely suing a bunch of the folks who defamed her.
[01:05:08]  And I hope she ends up owning the Blaze.
[01:05:10]  It would be nice.
[01:05:11]  It's interesting that the right-wing media got caught up in hysteria based on fake information pointing at one person being the January 6th pipe bomber.
[01:05:18]  And then the FBI made an arrest of a different person shortly after.
[01:05:22]  But that doesn't mean anything.
[01:05:24]  Alex is presenting this as if it illustrates that the FBI is setting up this second guy because the conspiracists were getting too close with the first person.
[01:05:32]  That's nonsense.
[01:05:33]  Yeah.
[01:05:33]  This is fucking baseless shit.
[01:05:35]  Yeah.
[01:05:36]  Yeah, there's a little bit of like conspiracy theorists could take a lesson from gamblers in the sense that like you should be excited at the outcome.
[01:05:47]  You don't know what the outcome is.
[01:05:49]  It's exciting either way.
[01:05:50]  It's exciting to lose.
[01:05:51]  It's exciting to win.
[01:05:52]  It's the unknowing that's exciting, right?
[01:05:55]  But not the part where you're like, yeah, fuck it.
[01:05:58]  But I also think that a good gambler, if such a thing does exist, knows to fold sometimes.
[01:06:04]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:06:05]  Discretion is the better part of valor.
[01:06:08]  And I think that if you are sitting on, I don't even remember.
[01:06:14]  I haven't played blackjack in so long that I don't remember what a bad blackjack hand is.
[01:06:19]  13.
[01:06:19]  Sure.
[01:06:20]  Don't sit on it.
[01:06:21]  Don't sit on it.
[01:06:22]  Yeah.
[01:06:22]  Or whatever.
[01:06:23]  I don't know.
[01:06:24]  Don't do the thing that's bad.
[01:06:27]  Alex is doing the bad gambling thing.
[01:06:29]  Yeah, except your losses.
[01:06:30]  Oh, we lost this bet.
[01:06:31]  Guess what?
[01:06:32]  The FBI won this one.
[01:06:33]  We'll get him next time.
[01:06:34]  He's addicted to doubling down on a 13.
[01:06:37]  Yep.
[01:06:37]  Yep.
[01:06:37]  Can't do it.
[01:06:38]  So I think part of the reason that he does that, though, is because there's real danger in not playing.
[01:06:44]  And how they'll do it is they'll have somebody already on other charges and they'll tell him, you're going to take the dive for this and we'll drop it.
[01:06:53]  They did that with a guy that committed a bunch of crimes and a bunch of stuff.
[01:06:57]  And for more detail, they basically told him, just go into this pizza place, shoot a gun in the ceiling, say that if we're Alex Jones, we'll drop your charges.
[01:07:03]  And that's what happened.
[01:07:06]  Still simple.
[01:07:12]  Remember Pizza Gate?
[01:07:14]  Oh, you're indicted for all this stuff in the state?
[01:07:17]  Well, you just go shoot a gun in the ceiling, say Alex Jones made you do it.
[01:07:21]  And they'll remember six months later when everything gets dropped.
[01:07:24]  Just like Ray Epps.
[01:07:25]  Ray Epps gone to jail?
[01:07:27]  No?
[01:07:28]  All this is theater.
[01:07:30]  This is beyond suspicious.
[01:07:32]  This is ridiculous.
[01:07:34]  It should be understood that what you're hearing in that clip is Alex doing preemptive damage control because he has a pretty good reason to believe that he and the alleged pipe bomber probably have some stuff in common.
[01:07:45]  Yeah.
[01:07:45]  Maybe he'll end up being a fan of the InfoWar, like the Minnesota assassin that Alex thinks is fake.
[01:07:51]  Alex doesn't need that kind of stuff piling up, so who cares?
[01:07:55]  It's all fake.
[01:07:55]  Who gives a shit?
[01:07:57]  Let's not analyze our own behavior.
[01:07:59]  The guy that was arrested for the pipe bombing had no previous charges.
[01:08:02]  So all the stuff Alex is fantasizing about here, that's just in his head.
[01:08:06]  Also, the guy who shot at Comic Ping Pong, Edgar Madison Welch, served around three years in jail for that.
[01:08:13]  His charges weren't dropped once the heat died down, and he was actually killed by the police during a traffic stop in January of last year.
[01:08:21]  He had an outstanding warrant and pulled out a gun when he was stopped by the police, who then killed him.
[01:08:26]  Alex doesn't know any of this stuff because he doesn't care.
[01:08:29]  All of this pain and tragedy that he exploits to make money has to just be theater to him.
[01:08:34]  Because if he stopped to consider his part in all of these real people's lives, his grandmother's ghost would never let him sleep again.
[01:08:42]  He's a piece of shit.
[01:08:43]  Yep.
[01:08:44]  Anyway.
[01:08:45]  Yeah, man.
[01:08:46]  Everyone's probably just out to get him.
[01:08:48]  Yeah.
[01:08:49]  Jesus.
[01:08:51]  That's a crazy story.
[01:08:52]  That guy's like, once you reach the totality of somebody's life like that, once there's all possibility of like, maybe he'll turn around shows up, right?
[01:09:03]  Then it just really comes into focus.
[01:09:05]  Like something happened inside that guy's brain 20 years ago, and then it just set in motion a series of events that whenever they come in contact with an Alex Jones with just that fucking little catalyst, all of a sudden the entire life is ablaze.
[01:09:22]  Yeah.
[01:09:23]  You know?
[01:09:23]  I don't look at it as inevitable as you're making it sound.
[01:09:29]  Sure.
[01:09:30]  But yeah.
[01:09:32]  I mean, now that he has passed, you can look at the trajectory.
[01:09:38]  And yeah, I don't know everything about his case or anything, but it is just, it is really sad.
[01:09:45]  And the fact that he was killed by the police last year, you know, I'm not saying that I know enough about the case to even say like the cops were out of line.
[01:09:55]  No.
[01:09:55]  He had a gun.
[01:09:56]  Yeah, no, I mean, I think his life is the tragedy.
[01:10:00]  Yeah.
[01:10:01]  You know, like now that it's over, you know, because if he was still going, even if he was in jail now, you're like, there's a chance he could turn around, he could have some perspective on this, and then he could contribute something really, really interesting, having that point of view and that life.
[01:10:17]  And then to have it go before any chance of anything is possible is a tragedy.
[01:10:23]  Like, I understand hating that guy while he's alive and thinking he's a piece of shit, but it's a tragedy to see that life exist.
[01:10:30]  Yeah.
[01:10:30]  And then to see Alex treat the story this way after he was such a big part of promoting and disseminating the conspiracies that led to this guy showing up at Comic Ping Pong and the life going off the rails in whatever way that it did.
[01:10:50]  Yeah.

=== Exploitative Sales Tactics (08:20) ===

[01:10:51]  I mean, who knows if it did before, but certainly publicly.
[01:10:54]  Yeah.
[01:10:55]  It's just exploitative of pain, and I resent it.
[01:10:59]  Yeah, the amount of people who just will use you and then never think about you again, right?
[01:11:06]  You're the most important thing for today's news, and then you can die five years later, and nobody cares.
[01:11:13]  Yeah, who gives a shit, though?
[01:11:14]  Who gives a shit?
[01:11:14]  Because we got a sale.
[01:11:16]  Ooh, Alex has a new sale.
[01:11:17]  All right.
[01:11:18]  Sucks.
[01:11:19]  I cannot be thankful enough to you for keeping me in the fight.
[01:11:22]  Thank you.
[01:11:22]  You know who you are.
[01:11:24]  And right now is a gigantic sale with 12 days of Christmas.
[01:11:28]  There's different sales coming up later in that.
[01:11:30]  But until this weekend, you can buy any supplement and get any other supplement free.
[01:11:37]  That means you can buy a $30 supplement and get a $45 supplement free.
[01:11:41]  You can buy a $20 supplement and get a $35, $50.
[01:11:45]  Supplements are always discounts.
[01:11:46]  They're all lower than that.
[01:11:47]  The point is, that is a spectacular deal.
[01:11:53]  This is a bad sale.
[01:11:54]  Yeah.
[01:11:55]  You're giving away the store if you structure a deal like this.
[01:11:58]  And there's a reason that pretty much no one ever does a buy a cheap thing, get a high-priced thing, free sale.
[01:12:04]  Yeah, it's a bad sale.
[01:12:05]  The reason is that it reveals the inherent markup your store is putting on the things that you sell.
[01:12:10]  If you can afford to sell all of the expensive items at the price of the cheapest items, then all of the difference in price is artificial.
[01:12:17]  If these prices reflected real expenses Alex needed to balance, then a sale like this could easily put him out of business.
[01:12:25]  If product A sells for $10 but costs Alex three, and product B sells for $40 and costs Alex 10, all it takes is a couple of people buying product A and getting product B for free for the scales to tip.
[01:12:39]  Yep.
[01:12:39]  Each time that happens, Alex is paying out $13 for the two products and making $10 on the sale.
[01:12:47]  He's losing $3 every time he makes a sale.
[01:12:50]  Obviously, I've just made up random prices to illustrate the point, but this is why you never give a more expensive product away as a bonus for someone buying a cheaper product.
[01:12:59]  Because you think maybe if I bought this at $10, it wasn't $3 that it cost to make.
[01:13:04]  Maybe it was $0.04.
[01:13:06]  And then maybe if I buy a $40 product, I find out that it costs $0.04 to make.
[01:13:13]  As long as you make people buy the more expensive one, then you're paying out $13, but you're still bringing in $40.
[01:13:20]  So you make less profit than without the sale, but you're still ahead.
[01:13:24]  That's why these deals are structured this way.
[01:13:27]  If you're willing to do a sale like what Alex is doing here, then you're revealing that your markups are so high that it doesn't matter what anyone buys.
[01:13:35]  If you can afford to do a sale like this, then you are fucking people over.
[01:13:39]  You can't do this if your business is legitimate.
[01:13:42]  Nope.
[01:13:43]  Because even if you're doing it for a few days, you run the risk of people buying enough product that you are thousands and thousands of dollars in the red.
[01:13:55]  Yep.
[01:13:56]  And you have to ship this product.
[01:13:57]  No, it's non-existent.
[01:13:58]  Yeah.
[01:13:59]  This would never happen.
[01:14:00]  No.
[01:14:00]  A real business would not do this for any number of possible reasons.
[01:14:04]  And not even just like for that you're losing this money.
[01:14:07]  Yeah.
[01:14:07]  The optics of the sale.
[01:14:10]  It looks desperate.
[01:14:11]  They does something in your brain when you see it.
[01:14:14]  It's not generous.
[01:14:16]  It does not look generous.
[01:14:17]  No, no, no.
[01:14:18]  It looks fucked up.
[01:14:19]  Yeah.
[01:14:19]  It is.
[01:14:19]  It is that it's the sale version of somebody walking by a $20 bill on the ground and being like, is somebody watching to see if I'm going to fuck with this in some way?
[01:14:32]  You know, like it makes you suspicious.
[01:14:33]  It doesn't make you go, ooh, 20 bucks.
[01:14:36]  You know, and I guess there could be limitations.
[01:14:39]  Like you can only do it once, like one sale per customer or IP address.
[01:14:44]  Sure.
[01:14:45]  And then you're not even going to benefit much from the sale.
[01:14:50]  It just looks bad.
[01:14:52]  I don't know.
[01:14:53]  There's no upside to it.
[01:14:54]  I mean, I guess it's okay if you're money laundering.
[01:14:57]  Yes.
[01:14:57]  Yeah.
[01:14:58]  So Alex, he reads the headlines about Heg Seth.
[01:15:03]  And if you pay not even that close of attention, you'll notice that he contradicts himself.
[01:15:08]  So things are getting very, very serious.
[01:15:11]  Pentagon says Heg Seth completely cleared a signal gate controversy by the Inspector General.
[01:15:17]  Everything he said was true.
[01:15:18]  He was set up.
[01:15:20]  Watchdog finds Heg Seth risk endangering troops by sharing a sensitive war plans on Signal.
[01:15:26]  Oh, a leftist watchdog.
[01:15:27]  But the actual report is he did nothing.
[01:15:30]  So the watchdog group in that headline isn't a leftist organization.
[01:15:33]  It's the Inspector General.
[01:15:35]  Ooh.
[01:15:35]  In a matter of seconds, Alex has read two headlines that have gotten him spun into a contradiction.
[01:15:41]  In his version of the story, the IG report gave Heg Seth a total vindication.
[01:15:45]  But in reality, they concluded that he didn't follow the rules and should learn more about the rules.
[01:15:51]  As far as anyone in Alex's branch of the media cares, this is a total vindication because there's no impending consequences.
[01:15:57]  So that's the way it's been treated inside their bubble.
[01:16:01]  Because Alex doesn't do any work at all, he doesn't know what the report says.
[01:16:04]  So when he reads a headline that runs counter to the spin that his media is putting on the story, he has to make up that this watchdog group in the headlines a leftist group or else the narrative starts to not make sense anymore.
[01:16:16]  Yeah.
[01:16:17]  This is what a liar does.
[01:16:18]  Yep.
[01:16:19]  There's no reason to act like this unless you're a liar.
[01:16:22]  I mean, creating two people out of one person to rebut the other person who's not the same person, yet somehow is also the same person, seems to exist only in lies.
[01:16:32]  Yeah.
[01:16:33]  Yep.
[01:16:35]  So anyway, Alex interviews his gold sponsor.
[01:16:39]  And what do you know?
[01:16:40]  Gold and silver are great for you.
[01:16:41]  They're going to be great investments.
[01:16:42]  Okay.
[01:16:43]  Can you get bullion?
[01:16:45]  Is this one like it'll actually hold the gold for you for real?
[01:16:48]  Or is this one that'll actually send you the gold?
[01:16:51]  You're not getting the gold.
[01:16:52]  You're not getting the gold?
[01:16:53]  No.
[01:16:53]  I don't like this, though.
[01:16:54]  Yeah, but like he's got it.
[01:16:58]  It's cool.
[01:17:00]  I love this scam.
[01:17:01]  This is the great, the greatest scam of, I've got it.
[01:17:05]  You know, I was actually reading a little bit about this.
[01:17:07]  Yeah.
[01:17:08]  And it like obviously comes off quite scammy.
[01:17:11]  Right.
[01:17:12]  Ponzi scammy.
[01:17:13]  But in reality, there's actually, like, if you are someone who like sells collectibles or like gold coins.
[01:17:21]  Sure, sure.
[01:17:22]  Stuff like that.
[01:17:22]  Yeah.
[01:17:23]  Then holding on to it is really shady.
[01:17:25]  Yeah.
[01:17:26]  But there are like businesses that have like bars of gold and shit.
[01:17:30]  Yeah.
[01:17:31]  You kind of want them to hold on to it.
[01:17:33]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:33]  You can't move a bar of gold.
[01:17:35]  No, one needs to sell that for you.
[01:17:38]  You're buying shares of his gold.
[01:17:40]  Yeah.
[01:17:41]  That's what's happening there.
[01:17:42]  But the way that they describe it is very, very much like, it's a Ponzi scheme.
[01:17:48]  Like, oh, yeah, your money is giving me the old person's money.
[01:17:52]  Yeah.
[01:17:52]  He complains about how there's too much paper gold and paper silver and stuff.
[01:17:58]  And I'm sure that that's true.
[01:17:59]  But I also don't believe that he has all the inventory that he has sold.
[01:18:03]  Yeah.
[01:18:04]  So like I believe he has a lot of paper assets too.
[01:18:07]  I mean, why would you?
[01:18:08]  Who's going to call you out on it?
[01:18:09]  Yeah.
[01:18:10]  And as I understand, it's legal to do that.
[01:18:13]  If you're a dealer or a precious metals broker, you can do essentially what banks do.
[01:18:19]  Yeah, they don't have the full amount in their bank at all times.
[01:18:22]  Yeah.
[01:18:23]  I get it.
[01:18:23]  I get the way that our finance system is imaginary and agreed upon.
[01:18:28]  It's cool.
[01:18:29]  Yeah.
[01:18:30]  So we're going to skip past any talk of the gold sponsor, but he was there.
[01:18:35]  And we jump back in here where Trump, Alex is playing a clip of Trump or discussing Trump saying that Somalis suck.
[01:18:43]  Great.
[01:18:45]  Now, this Trump Somali thing where he says you got to give it up to you.
[01:18:49]  You know, you got a garbage country.
[01:18:52]  I mean, literally, it's a pirate country where slavery's still legal.
[01:18:55]  I mean, it is, it is, it is, it makes North Korea look like a, you know, vacation spot.

=== Arrogance Of Somali Leadership (12:30) ===

[01:19:02]  And it's the arrogance of the Somali leadership putting down America, putting down the West, always criticizing us and telling us we're bad.
[01:19:11]  It can seem harsh what Trump's saying, but it's about not being politically correct and not being bullied with all this white guilt.
[01:19:17]  Like, Elon Omar's family were the ruling party over Somalia that were hated and overthrown.
[01:19:24]  And they go back a thousand years as royalty previously in the tribes that ran the black slave trade to the Arabs.
[01:19:31]  Sounds true.
[01:19:33]  And they would grab blacks in Africa and cut their genitals off and sell them as eunuchs.
[01:19:39]  Makes sense.
[01:19:39]  We did a whole history piece with the mainline numbers of the Islamic slave trade.
[01:19:45]  I mean, by far the biggest slave trade in all of history.
[01:19:48]  So Trump was asked about Somalian immigrants at a cabinet meeting, and he said, quote, they contribute nothing.
[01:19:54]  I don't want them in our country.
[01:19:55]  Great.
[01:19:56]  We can go one way or the other, and we're going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country.
[01:20:01]  Wow.
[01:20:02]  So that was on Tuesday, December 2nd, excuse me.
[01:20:05]  And he was asked to clarify the next day on Wednesday.
[01:20:07]  I'm sorry.
[01:20:08]  And he said, quote, Somalians should be out of here.
[01:20:11]  They've destroyed our country.
[01:20:13]  That's it.
[01:20:13]  Did somebody, okay, was he asked to clarify, or was somebody giving him a softball second chance?
[01:20:18]  Like, hey, that thing you said, that's a Nazi.
[01:20:21]  So let's give it another go.
[01:20:22]  You want to try not sounding like a fucking Nazi today?
[01:20:24]  There's probably someone wanted the latter and got more Nazis.
[01:20:29]  Got a double dose of Nazi in your face.
[01:20:31]  So I think that decency expectations have dropped so low that if he were just talking about Ilon Omar, no one would even take notice of Trump's flagrant racism and hate.
[01:20:40]  But this was the sitting president openly saying that people in the United States of a particular nation of origin work garbage.
[01:20:47]  Yep.
[01:20:47]  Trump is really just a walking manifestation that no one learned the lessons of the past.
[01:20:52]  And Alex's actions have made it clear that he doesn't view things like the Chinese Exclusion Act as things we ever needed to learn from.
[01:21:00]  Right.
[01:21:00]  This is horrible.
[01:21:01]  Yeah.
[01:21:02]  I was thinking as I listened to that, though, like, what do you think it would take for Alex to finally not feel like everyone wanted him to feel bad because he's white?
[01:21:10]  It seems like an unachievable goal.
[01:21:12]  And I was trying to imagine the world as it would have to exist for him to be like, ah, finally.
[01:21:19]  I mean, I think it is theoretically possible for the rational part of the world to get together, pool our resources, and build a segregation fun park and then let these people live there.
[01:21:37]  You know, wall it off.
[01:21:38]  If you want to visit, that's fine.
[01:21:40]  You have to live the way we live in our world.
[01:21:43]  And if we go visit yours, we'll live the way you live.
[01:21:46]  Surprise.
[01:21:46]  We're not cupping.
[01:21:47]  No.
[01:21:48]  I think this would backfire.
[01:21:50]  It would totally backfire.
[01:21:51]  They would try and take over everything and kill all of us.
[01:21:53]  Yes.
[01:21:54]  I think, or we'd just end up never hearing from them again because they all killed themselves.
[01:22:00]  I mean, over various differences they have.
[01:22:02]  There are worse outcomes.
[01:22:04]  Yeah.
[01:22:05]  It's, I mean, look, in a book, I love your idea.
[01:22:09]  Sure.
[01:22:10]  In the real world, I don't know if it's.
[01:22:12]  Nazi funland is not going to work for you.
[01:22:14]  Yeah, well.
[01:22:14]  It's going to be tough to sell people on the initial investment.
[01:22:17]  That's for sure.
[01:22:17]  So Alex is discussing this story and talking about how Trump is great because he's not succumbing to white guilt and all this shit.
[01:22:23]  Sure.
[01:22:23]  And, you know, obviously bad.
[01:22:25]  And listening to him is bad.
[01:22:27]  But then he plays Trump's clip saying these things.
[01:22:31]  Yeah.
[01:22:31]  And I think that you just have to accept this.
[01:22:35]  So this is how sick it is.
[01:22:37]  Here's Trump on the Somalis.
[01:22:39]  And they contribute nothing.
[01:22:41]  The welfare is like 88%.
[01:22:44]  They contribute nothing.
[01:22:47]  I don't want them in our country, I'll be honest with you.
[01:22:49]  Somebody would say, oh, that's not politically correct.
[01:22:51]  I don't care.
[01:22:52]  I don't want them in our country.
[01:22:54]  Their country's no good for a reason.
[01:22:56]  Their country stinks.
[01:22:58]  And we don't want them in our country.
[01:23:00]  I can say that about other countries, too.
[01:23:03]  I can say that about other countries, too.
[01:23:05]  We don't want them to help.
[01:23:07]  We have to rebuild our country.
[01:23:09]  You know, our country's at a tipping point.
[01:23:11]  We could go bad.
[01:23:12]  We're at a tipping point.
[01:23:14]  I don't know if people mind me saying that, but I'm saying that we could go one way or the other.
[01:23:20]  And we're going to go the wrong way if we keep taking in garbage into our country.
[01:23:25]  Elon Omar is garbage.
[01:23:27]  She's garbage.
[01:23:28]  Her friends are garbage.
[01:23:30]  These are the people that work.
[01:23:31]  These are people that say, let's go.
[01:23:33]  Come on.
[01:23:33]  Let's make this place great.
[01:23:35]  These are people that do nothing but complain.
[01:23:38]  They complain.
[01:23:40]  And from where they came from, they got nothing.
[01:23:43]  You know, they came from paradise and they said this isn't paradise.
[01:23:47]  But when they come from hell and they complain and do nothing but bitch, we don't want them in our country.
[01:23:57]  Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.
[01:24:00]  Oh, boy.
[01:24:01]  So that's the president.
[01:24:02]  You know, you don't have to be president.
[01:24:08]  I mean, there's something to be felt when you hear Alex defend Trump saying shit.
[01:24:17]  Yeah.
[01:24:17]  Or me reading that stuff.
[01:24:19]  Yep.
[01:24:19]  Some of that stuff.
[01:24:20]  But you got to accept that that's what he's saying.
[01:24:23]  Yeah, I mean, there's no other, the words either mean something or they don't.
[01:24:27]  If you.
[01:24:27]  If you think that that doesn't mean I'm a genocider who wants to genocide people, then we can't ever communicate because you don't believe in words.
[01:24:36]  Right.
[01:24:36]  You know?
[01:24:37]  And in the saying of this hatred of Somalians who have come to America, he's also making very clear that there's other countries that he would like to cleanse the United States of.
[01:24:50]  Yeah.
[01:24:54]  It's just, it's a snapshot.
[01:24:56]  This is where we are.
[01:24:57]  That's the president.
[01:24:58]  You know, I was thinking about this.
[01:25:02]  I told you, I was re-watching Andor, and I was thinking about Emperor Palpatine and all this stuff.
[01:25:08]  And I was like, man, what are you out here up to?
[01:25:12]  What are you doing?
[01:25:12]  Do you want to just kill the Jedi?
[01:25:14]  You don't have to be the emperor to just kill all the Jedi.
[01:25:16]  I think he does in order to do Order 66.
[01:25:19]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:25:20]  To kill the younglings and the Jedi's and restore balance to the force.
[01:25:24]  Fine.
[01:25:26]  That's fine.
[01:25:26]  But, like, you don't have to stay emperor.
[01:25:30]  No, that's true.
[01:25:31]  Like, let the bureaucratic people just fucking do their thing.
[01:25:33]  Like, what is Darth Vader doing?
[01:25:35]  I want to rule the galaxy as father and son.
[01:25:37]  Why?
[01:25:38]  What's your agenda for the galaxy?
[01:25:40]  There's no agenda here.
[01:25:42]  He's just an old racist moron that people keep asking questions to and then listening to the answers to when you could just not ask him a question and put him in a fucking corner.
[01:25:52]  Well, I think that a lot of people, like Alex is an example of one of them.
[01:25:56]  I think a lot of people project their own ambition and political ideas onto Trump.
[01:26:02]  That's true.
[01:26:02]  And imagine that this old racist idiot is furthering and like he's really on board with the exact thing that I want.
[01:26:12]  Yeah.
[01:26:12]  Right.
[01:26:12]  And in a lot of cases, there is overlap because they both just want like no state.
[01:26:17]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:26:19]  But yeah, I don't know.
[01:26:22]  I don't know.
[01:26:23]  I think if Trump could shoot lightning, it would help.
[01:26:27]  Like.
[01:26:28]  I mean, it would be easier to, it would both be easier to listen to him and also to not listen to him.
[01:26:34]  You know, I'll just do what you say, man.
[01:26:35]  You shoot lightning.
[01:26:36]  Yeah, I think that if we're in a situation where there's like a dark villain, and they can shoot lightning, I'm taking it more seriously than this rambling dipshit.
[01:26:48]  No, people could just push him out the window.
[01:26:50]  That would be fine.
[01:26:51]  Like, everybody would be, like, relieved.
[01:26:53]  Guess what?
[01:26:54]  Someone could not push him, and he could fall.
[01:26:56]  He could just fall.
[01:26:57]  Or, you know what?
[01:26:58]  We could say he fell and no one would ever bother.
[01:27:01]  Yeah.
[01:27:02]  Let's just agree that he fell.
[01:27:03]  He can't levitate.
[01:27:04]  He can't.
[01:27:06]  You can make a documentary in 50 years about how an entire country just agreed a guy fell and then we moved on.
[01:27:14]  Trump has no mid-achlorians.
[01:27:16]  See?
[01:27:16]  He can't stop us.
[01:27:17]  No.
[01:27:18]  He has zero powers.
[01:27:21]  So anyway, no one's buying the pipe bomber story.
[01:27:24]  Well, I mean.
[01:27:25]  And by that, I mean Alex isn't buying it, and that means no one is.
[01:27:29]  I mean, I'll just tell you, I don't buy this at all.
[01:27:32]  Nobody I know, inside or outside the FBI, is buying it, this pipe bomber thing.
[01:27:37]  We have all this information come out after four plus years of suppression.
[01:27:41]  For the first four years, Kyle Seraphin writes, the FBI had their thumbs, you know where.
[01:27:48]  For nine months, the new FBI had their thumbs, you know where.
[01:27:53]  And then number three, Steve Baker, USA, breaks the story three weeks ago.
[01:27:57]  Four, CBS News debunks the story with puppies.
[01:28:00]  Turns out to be made up.
[01:28:02]  Literally, the woman's playing with puppies, so she couldn't be there.
[01:28:05]  Alibi five, CBS News breaks the arrest story.
[01:28:09]  Is it going to be some schizophrenic?
[01:28:11]  It is like an anarchist nutball that's completely out of his mind.
[01:28:15]  I mean, they sure move fast to find the pipe bomber.
[01:28:18]  Once this all came out, doesn't look good.
[01:28:22]  And I haven't watched the press conference yet.
[01:28:23]  It's ongoing.
[01:28:25]  And just go to X. Everybody will have the best excerpts out of this.
[01:28:28]  Yeah, I just want to read tweets about this.
[01:28:29]  Oh, that would make most sense.
[01:28:30]  So if Alex thinks that Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, and Pam Bondi are lying in order to blame a Patsy for the pipe bombings, then he needs to accept that that's what Trump wants.
[01:28:39]  No one in the opposition party could do anything if he fired any of them and replaced them with whoever he wants.
[01:28:45]  So it's just silly to pretend that there's any pressure coming from anywhere other than Trump.
[01:28:50]  Yep.
[01:28:50]  It's fucking stupid.
[01:28:52]  Do you, okay?
[01:28:55]  Here's where I am interested.
[01:28:58]  I'm always interested in bombers because I feel like there's a very small number of people who are capable of building a bomb and then capable of using it without blowing themselves up.
[01:29:10]  Right.
[01:29:10]  So shouldn't it?
[01:29:12]  I feel like it's a lot easier to find bombers.
[01:29:15]  If I'm law enforcement, there's way fewer than people who can use a gun.
[01:29:20]  Yeah, in theory.
[01:29:21]  Yeah?
[01:29:21]  I mean, I don't know if you're- Can you just- You gotta make pipe bombs, is what I- Can you buy pipe bombs?
[01:29:28]  Do you- Can you buy like World War II pipe bombs?
[01:29:30]  Well, I think it takes less skill to make a bad one.
[01:29:34]  Sure.
[01:29:34]  And a bad one is less likely to blow you up.
[01:29:38]  Or more likely to blow you up.
[01:29:39]  No.
[01:29:40]  If it just doesn't work.
[01:29:41]  Oh, well, if it just doesn't work.
[01:29:43]  Well, I mean, but the definition of doesn't work can mean doesn't work and then also worked too good at the wrong time.
[01:29:49]  Yeah.
[01:29:50]  Let's say it's more likely that you will just create a tube.
[01:29:54]  A dud.
[01:29:54]  Yeah.
[01:29:55]  Yeah.
[01:29:55]  So I think that like that kind of, you know, it might, I worry that it might be a bit easier than you think.
[01:30:03]  That's something I hope I never know.
[01:30:05]  Yeah.
[01:30:06]  I mean, maybe, maybe there, I'm sure that there are ways to build a bomb, right, with stuff, but I feel like most bombs wind up being built by somebody who went to a hardware store at one point.
[01:30:19]  Sure.
[01:30:19]  You know?
[01:30:20]  Yeah.
[01:30:23]  Look, baking soda, soda, sure.
[01:30:26]  Coke.
[01:30:27]  Put it in a volcano.
[01:30:28]  Put it in a little, yeah, I gotcha.
[01:30:29]  Boom.
[01:30:30]  Maybe, maybe add a little Mentos in there, see what happens.
[01:30:33]  Yeah, the Freshmaker.
[01:30:34]  Yeah.
[01:30:35]  So Alex plays a clip of Kash Patel from this press conference, and he has a sort of familiar tune that he's singing.
[01:30:42]  When you attack American citizens, when you attack our institutions of legislation, when you attack our nation's capital, you attack the very being of our way of life.
[01:30:54]  And this FBI and this Department of Justice stand here to tell you that we will always refute it and combat it.
[01:31:00]  We will provide the safest country.
[01:31:04]  Let's go to the tidbits.
[01:31:05]  X will grab all the most important stuff out.
[01:31:08]  I'm just speechless at this point.

=== Qanon and Cover-Ups (15:48) ===

[01:31:11]  I mean, you know.
[01:31:13]  If you're going to cover up the pipe bombing because it was the Democrats and all the rest of it, you're trying to protect the agency.
[01:31:18]  So just shut up about it.
[01:31:19]  Just shut up.
[01:31:21]  He just wants everyone to shut up.
[01:31:23]  All these people who are doing cover-ups, they should shut up.
[01:31:27]  I mean, I think that's everybody's best move.
[01:31:31]  Sure.
[01:31:32]  I think that you telling Patel to shut up and Alex telling him to shut up mean very different things.
[01:31:38]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:31:39]  But yeah, I mean, he has the same, it's the same advice that he had for Trump with the Epstein stuff.
[01:31:43]  Just shut up.
[01:31:44]  Yeah, I mean, I wonder how much they could get away with it.
[01:31:47]  So it's like, Alex, could they get away with just being more mysterious, but because they're all shit talkers, they have no choice but to like blast it on fucking Twitter, right?
[01:31:58]  Like they could get away with so much if they were like, we're not doing it, and then just winked.
[01:32:03]  Right?
[01:32:03]  Yeah.
[01:32:04]  If they all acted like professionals and weren't all more or less performing for a social media audience, then yes, it would be all manageable because most of the time they would be shutting up or speaking in professional language that has like plausible deniability baked into it and all this, like neither confirm nor deny.
[01:32:25]  Totally.
[01:32:26]  Yeah, but yeah, all of them are shitheads.
[01:32:28]  We've overthrown countries and the country was like, everybody in the United States was like, we're probably not overthrowing a country right now.
[01:32:33]  I'll just move on with our lives.
[01:32:34]  And then 30 years later, we're like, what happened to that banana republic?
[01:32:37]  You know, we would have been fine.
[01:32:39]  Yeah.
[01:32:40]  Instead, all of these people are like, but I'm going to kill you.
[01:32:43]  Here's a binder.
[01:32:45]  I think everybody's trash.
[01:32:47]  Let's do a photo op.
[01:32:48]  Oh, God, these people.
[01:32:50]  Yeah.
[01:32:51]  So Alex has another guest on who's a lady who I think makes TikToks that Alex likes.
[01:32:59]  She's fine, but the interview is derailed because it turns out that Alex knows her stepdad, who is a janitor who was in World Trade Center, one of the buildings during 9-11.
[01:33:12]  Yeah, and he became a figure in the 9-11 conspiracy world.
[01:33:16]  And the interview just deteriorates into Alex begging her to get him back on the show.
[01:33:20]  Of course.
[01:33:21]  It's really funny because I think she comes off pretty well and like a competent media figure, but Alex can't stop talking about her stepdad and like, oh, me and him go way back.
[01:33:31]  Oh, my God.
[01:33:31]  He looks just like Desi Arnaz.
[01:33:33]  That is the funniest outcome for somebody who is going on.
[01:33:37]  That's the funniest.
[01:33:38]  That's the funniest you can get.
[01:33:40]  Yeah.
[01:33:40]  You know my stepdad, and you won't shut up about interviewing him.
[01:33:45]  This is my time, asshole.
[01:33:47]  Oh, I know your stepdad is like, that would make my, I would be like, okay, I got to end this call.
[01:33:52]  I'm going to crestfall because we're out of here.
[01:33:55]  Alex has the crew dig up clips of her stepdad on the show.
[01:34:00]  I got to get out of here, man.
[01:34:02]  I got to go.
[01:34:03]  I'm so busy.
[01:34:04]  I have a, there's a watch on my phone that I need to leave.
[01:34:08]  At best, it's rude, and she handles it quite well.
[01:34:10]  Yeah.
[01:34:11]  I think.
[01:34:11]  Fair enough.
[01:34:12]  But I don't care.
[01:34:13]  Good on her.
[01:34:14]  So maybe her stepdad will show back up in the future.
[01:34:16]  We'll find out.
[01:34:17]  But it's more important that Alex has another guest on later.
[01:34:21]  Okay.
[01:34:22]  And that is a guy who's a complete lunatic.
[01:34:26]  Okay.
[01:34:26]  Patrick Byrne is back.
[01:34:29]  Okay.
[01:34:30]  Heidi, defender of the Republic's our guest.
[01:34:32]  So about five after next hour.
[01:34:34]  Then you notice the president reposted my interview with Patrick Byrne about the real reason we're going to Venezuela.
[01:34:39]  The president can't tell you.
[01:34:41]  President, once you know what we're about to say, I'll leave it at that.
[01:34:45]  And I got some more calls yesterday about this from, let's just say, a place in Pennsylvania Avenue saying, we want you to have Patrick back on.
[01:34:54]  Actually, that was two days ago.
[01:34:55]  We tried to get Patrick on.
[01:34:57]  He said, I'm not ready to come on until today.
[01:34:59]  Now he's ready with exclusive information.
[01:35:02]  And he is, it's declassified.
[01:35:03]  He's an intelligence agency operative.
[01:35:05]  We're not going to say what agencies he's with, but I guess Flynn's full endorsement.
[01:35:08]  Let's just say it's not the CIA.
[01:35:10]  So, because that's who we're really at war with.
[01:35:13]  And they're not all bad in there, but it's the biggest one.
[01:35:17]  It was the one set up after World War II that kind of took over the other intelligence agencies, and it's the big problem.
[01:35:22]  It's the mothership of the clearinghouse of corruption.
[01:35:25]  So Alex is saying this shit to try to make it sound like he has some secret information and he's an insider, but it really just comes off like he's a stooge.
[01:35:34]  And none of this is true, but if you take him at his word, then you have to believe that he's taking programming and guest booking instructions from the government.
[01:35:42]  That's a pretty cool thing for a guy who loves the free press to do.
[01:35:46]  Oh, yeah, Trump tweeted about this because we're telling you messages that he can't tell.
[01:35:51]  This is just QAnon.
[01:35:53]  Yep.
[01:35:53]  They're just doing Q again.
[01:35:54]  Yep.
[01:35:55]  Yep.
[01:35:56]  Wasn't that fun?
[01:35:57]  I guess.
[01:35:58]  I mean, it was more fun for them than having to take responsibility for the horrible things they believe happening.
[01:36:03]  It moved the needle a little.
[01:36:06]  I think that this is stupid.
[01:36:09]  And Trump posted this clip that Alex is talking about on Truth Social as one of his, I believe it was like 150, 160 posts he made in one night.
[01:36:19]  Like he was on a tear, just posting a ton of shit.
[01:36:23]  And so Alex is so excited that Trump tweeted something of his.
[01:36:28]  There are so many small things that should just be automatic disqualifiers.
[01:36:33]  Like five tweets in a row should keep you from being president.
[01:36:36]  Like that should be like that.
[01:36:38]  I think we should all agree on that.
[01:36:39]  I think we can all agree on that.
[01:36:41]  Anybody who is tweeting five times in a row is not doing the presidenting job well.
[01:36:46]  You're not doing the living well.
[01:36:48]  Yeah.
[01:36:48]  Like it's a sign, it's a it's an indicator of shit's bad.
[01:36:53]  Yeah.
[01:36:54]  If if someone even in a like not high stakes public position was doing that, you'd be worried.
[01:37:02]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:37:03]  This guy's got nukes.
[01:37:04]  I think Somalis are garbage.
[01:37:06]  And his brain doesn't work at full capacity anymore.
[01:37:09]  Woo!
[01:37:09]  Great.
[01:37:10]  So anyway, Patrick Byrne is Intel.
[01:37:12]  He's a secret agent and what have you, but this is so dumb.
[01:37:18]  You know, I'm not judging Patrick Byrne.
[01:37:20]  He's a great patriot, been a billionaire, started some of the most successful companies in America.
[01:37:24]  It's been declassified and did U.S. intelligence work for the country.
[01:37:27]  And when he found out the Democrats were double-crossing America, it went public against him in the last eight, nine years.
[01:37:32]  But when I've been attempting to be recruited over and over again by intelligence agencies, I've said no.
[01:37:36]  He refused the CIA, but worked for some others.
[01:37:39]  And General Flynn's confirmed that.
[01:37:41]  It's not that I don't trust people to try to recruit me, but I know that changes and then they can set you up.
[01:37:46]  I just said no.
[01:37:47]  So Trump had been in office about three months in 2017.
[01:37:52]  And then some folks from the White House come down here and they're with different intelligence agencies, not the CIA.
[01:37:57]  And they say, hey, we got this cute thing we launched, super classified.
[01:38:02]  We know you got in trouble with the WikiLeaks.
[01:38:03]  You didn't put it out, but you were the most successful covering it.
[01:38:07]  And we know you're going to get a bunch of trouble.
[01:38:09]  We know the Democrats are gearing up to sue you over all this.
[01:38:12]  We got a way to leak stuff with anonymity, and then we'll be protected.
[01:38:16]  And I said, and then how do you protect the source of that and not have somebody take the identity?
[01:38:21]  They said, yeah, we thought about that problem.
[01:38:23]  I said, no, thank you.
[01:38:24]  I'm not going to be part of that.
[01:38:26]  And I love the Q people.
[01:38:28]  Like, I'm on there 31 years.
[01:38:31]  Everybody knows who I am.
[01:38:32]  They know I break constant stuff all the time.
[01:38:34]  They know I can call up.
[01:38:35]  If I need the president to call me, he'll call me within a day.
[01:38:37]  I don't even try to get that done.
[01:38:39]  Like, Patrick Byrne's a real person.
[01:38:41]  Roger Stone's a real person.
[01:38:42]  General Flynn's a real person.
[01:38:43]  Former head of defense intelligence.
[01:38:45]  And I'm not at war with the Q people.
[01:38:47]  In general, it just becomes this thing of back then.
[01:38:51]  Roger told me a month before the election 2020, he goes, We're going to lose.
[01:38:56]  And he's told the story on air since then.
[01:38:58]  He goes, Don't tell people this.
[01:38:59]  But he goes, Trump won in a landslide in 2016 that was 10, 15% banked in fraud.
[01:39:04]  He had to override.
[01:39:05]  He said, These Q people saying we're invincible and Hillary's in Getmo.
[01:39:08]  We're doing internal polling.
[01:39:10]  They think Trump's got in the bag.
[01:39:11]  He does it.
[01:39:11]  We got to have 10, 50% more or he'll have a stone.
[01:39:15]  And of course, he was right.
[01:39:17]  So I'm not singling out the Q people because they're not any influence now because it's so discredited.
[01:39:22]  The problem is you got all these white pill people that say don't question anything in the administration.
[01:39:28]  When Trump, this is a way better administration, but there's still problems.
[01:39:31]  No, the spotlighting helps.
[01:39:32]  Of course, correct.
[01:39:33]  When Trump gets the right information, he always makes the right decision.
[01:39:35]  So this thought started with Alex trying to justify Patrick Byrne being an agent in some non-CIA intelligence agency.
[01:39:43]  And we've gone pretty far off track.
[01:39:44]  We've gone afield.
[01:39:45]  This is illustrative of why people generally play short clips of Alex because when it gets a little bit longer, he starts talking about hitting bees with a ping-pong paddle and everything just fucking stops making sense.
[01:39:58]  Yeah, it takes a while.
[01:39:59]  Thoughts get disconnected very easily.
[01:40:02]  So an important correction here is that Alex has admitted on his show that he tried to take over and steer the QAnon stuff, but it didn't work.
[01:40:09]  True.
[01:40:09]  Q folks hated Alex and thought he was a shill, in no small part because they resented Alex's then employee, Jerome Corsi, trying to write a book and brand himself as the Q expert.
[01:40:20]  Alex created his own Q in the character of Zach, who was a secretive, high-level whistleblower, made up fun stories for the Infowars audience.
[01:40:28]  The truth is that Alex tried a bunch of different things to profit off QAnon, but he couldn't because it was something that was truly decentralized.
[01:40:36]  You could make a lot of money off Q and the audience by fleecing them and just giving them what they wanted, but it wasn't something that was co-optable by a figurehead.
[01:40:45]  Alex's version of conspiracism is incompatible with how QAnon unfolded because it relies on Alex being the only source of truth.
[01:40:54]  Other people can have some good points, and some folks are more heroic than others, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is what Alex says.
[01:41:02]  It might be different than what he said yesterday, and that's part of the mystery of the InfoWar.
[01:41:06]  If you listen to Alex and you like him, then whether you know it or not, you have accepted that premise that he dictates reality.
[01:41:14]  Meanwhile, QAnon led to the rise of a bunch of interpreters who tried to figure out what Q's posts meant, but they were all subservient to Q, who is in turn subservient to Trump.
[01:41:25]  The chain of command was clear, and as big and full of themselves as any one of these interpreters could get, they couldn't be Q.
[01:41:32]  They couldn't contradict Q. Right.
[01:41:35]  They're like Ramoras eating off of the shark Q.
[01:41:39]  Yeah.
[01:41:39]  Alex cannot exist as a mere interpreter because the God of the universe talks to him on a regular basis.
[01:41:46]  No matter how high Q's clearance is, he doesn't know more than a deity.
[01:41:50]  So there really can't be that kind of power structure for Alex in the media that he puts out.
[01:41:56]  Alex couldn't tap into Q's audience not because they refused to be led like sheep, but because they were already being led by somebody else.
[01:42:03]  So in order to get their money, Alex needed to usurp Q, which he tried to do and failed.
[01:42:10]  That's the story of all this.
[01:42:11]  Here's what you do.
[01:42:12]  All right.
[01:42:13]  You know what a Q looks like?
[01:42:14]  A lot like a G?
[01:42:16]  Add a couple O's.
[01:42:17]  Add a couple D's.
[01:42:19]  You got God, baby.
[01:42:21]  I was hoping you were going to say Gugliata.
[01:42:23]  No.
[01:42:23]  Tom Gugliata.
[01:42:25]  Former power forward for the Warriors?
[01:42:29]  Isn't that spelled with a U?
[01:42:32]  Ah, shit.
[01:42:33]  Yeah.
[01:42:34]  Didn't he play with Chris Mullen?
[01:42:37]  Anyway, Patrick Burns a lunatic.
[01:42:39]  That's all.
[01:42:40]  It's fun, and I think that Alex is trying to make him into a new Q figure.
[01:42:44]  Okay.
[01:42:45]  Take Patrick Byrne on last week.
[01:42:48]  We said in the interview, we said we're saying things Trump can't say.
[01:42:51]  He's saying it's about fentanyl, it's about cocaine.
[01:42:53]  That's the side issue that gives him the legal reason to do it, which is authorized under Thomas Jefferson's precedent and the war powers and all of it.
[01:43:00]  And the emergency clear and present danger.
[01:43:02]  But the real issue is Venezuela, one of the richest countries in the world, piggybacking the globalist election fraud, all of it, as General Flynn and others have said.
[01:43:09]  And before Trump got in, we said he's moving on Venezuela or he's not serious.
[01:43:13]  Just like we got it in Ukraine where they're laundering the money back to the Democrats.
[01:43:17]  But Trump can't come out and say we're about to hit Venezuela because it's a Democrats piggyback.
[01:43:25]  What does Trump do?
[01:43:25]  He posts a link, and then they later posted more links to the full interview to what Patrick Byrne said.
[01:43:32]  I tried to get Patrick on three days ago because I had a call from the White House and he said, hey, they really liked that interview.
[01:43:36]  You should get Patrick Byrne on more and talk about this, this, and that.
[01:43:40]  I'm going to stop there.
[01:43:41]  I said, okay, Patrick's like, I'm too busy.
[01:43:43]  I'm working on some stuff.
[01:43:44]  I'll come on in a few days.
[01:43:45]  This is just Q shit.
[01:43:47]  Trump has a message that he wants to get out, but he can't tell the public the whole story.
[01:43:50]  So he has to send cryptic messages through tweets and about how somebody has decoded his moves successfully.
[01:43:56]  If you follow all the breadcrumbs, you'll get there.
[01:43:59]  He would tell the whole world what he's doing, but the world isn't ready for the storm that's coming.
[01:44:04]  So this message is really only for the really smart elect among the base, like Alex and Alex's fans who recognize that Alex is a genius.
[01:44:13]  Leaving all that aside for a second, I think Alex should have a bigger problem with the president lying to the public about why he's using the military for partisan political goals.
[01:44:22]  The way Alex is describing this, it's all to attack the Democrats because they're laundering money through Venezuela, which is not what the military is for.
[01:44:30]  That seems like a really bad precedent to set, especially considering how many countries you could justify bombing based on Trump using the presidency to make personal business deals with them.
[01:44:39]  So like, is it like, could you bomb Trump's golf courses in other countries in the next presidency?
[01:44:48]  Stupid.
[01:44:48]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:44:51]  The thing that I hate that Trump is or that Alex is allowed to do, and all of them are allowed to do, and everybody in the media is allowed to do, is to say Trump hit Venezuela or Hegseth hit Venezuela.
[01:45:02]  They don't go, here are the names of the 10 people that Trump and Hegseth murdered.
[01:45:10]  Because it's a lot easier if you go, like, oh, he attacked Venezuela.
[01:45:14]  Like, he didn't attack Venezuela.
[01:45:15]  He blew up a boat with a bunch of people on it.
[01:45:17]  He murdered those people.
[01:45:19]  Right.
[01:45:19]  That's not Venezuela.
[01:45:20]  No, but it is a belligerent act against the state.
[01:45:23]  Sure, sure.
[01:45:24]  But I mean, it's not, they're not being held accountable for an act against the state or an act against people who have every bit of the right to life that they do.
[01:45:32]  Yeah.
[01:45:32]  You know?
[01:45:33]  I think it's not one or the other.
[01:45:35]  It's both.
[01:45:36]  You know, like, I think that I don't think that saying like they should say Trump hit Venezuela or attacked Venezuela.
[01:45:45]  Sure.
[01:45:45]  I think that appreciating both the attack against the country and the loss of life and murder of it is that that would be appropriate.
[01:45:54]  Right.
[01:45:54]  It's just that Alex is able to say Venezuela and make it look like this is an enemy combatant as opposed to these are people.
[01:46:03]  Even if they're on a drug boat, they're just people who work on a drug boat.
[01:46:07]  Maybe not when you kill them.
[01:46:09]  Right.
[01:46:09]  Like when they got off the drug boat, maybe they got fired and they would have become a fucking teacher next year.
[01:46:15]  And instead, you murdered that guy.
[01:46:16]  You're a murderer.
[01:46:17]  So Alex has said in the past that the fentanyl and the drugs, it's a good reason to shoot these boats.
[01:46:24]  Sure.
[01:46:25]  But now he's saying that Trump is just lying to everybody and it's really about the Venezuelan being involved in stealing elections and money laundering with the demands.
[01:46:37]  Again, is why it's okay to murder people.
[01:46:39]  So, Patrick Burns, the expert on this stuff.
[01:46:41]  That's right.
[01:46:42]  Alex has presented him as such.

=== Key Figures Flipping Sides (15:51) ===

[01:46:44]  Uh-oh, Patrick doesn't agree with Alex.
[01:46:47]  I think the president also highlighted that because I was telling the world, roll early, roll often.
[01:46:54]  There are certain key figures who are considering flipping sides.
[01:47:00]  And I want them, I think the president clearly wanted them to think about that.
[01:47:04]  When you're part of a mafia like this and it's coming apart, you want to be one of the first.
[01:47:09]  They only give deals to the first guys that come in with information or can cooperate a bit.
[01:47:14]  You want to be one of the.
[01:47:15]  I'm going to be here with a major deal that just got made.
[01:47:16]  So, again, why would Trump want people to not?
[01:47:18]  He didn't just post that.
[01:47:19]  They'll also link to the full interview.
[01:47:21]  Why does the president want people to see what you said?
[01:47:22]  Well, he said in the interview, there's things Trump can't tell people about why we're really doing this.
[01:47:26]  It's really about taking the Democrat deep state piggyback away.
[01:47:30]  Well, that's a hypothesis on your part.
[01:47:33]  I don't think, I think there's a lot.
[01:47:35]  That's probably on the list of reasons to hit Venezuela.
[01:47:38]  That's probably not in the 10 top list of the top 10.
[01:47:42]  Jesus.
[01:47:42]  The reason it hit Venezuela.
[01:47:44]  So, yeah, I think he was also by retruthing that, doubling down on this, telling any people out there with information, now is the time.
[01:47:52]  And I can assure any such people, you've got days, maybe hours, to go make your deal.
[01:47:59]  You think you're going to make a deal?
[01:48:00]  That's probably the message is roll right now.
[01:48:03]  Yeah, roll early, roll often.
[01:48:05]  Oh, yeah.
[01:48:05]  So he's just saying that people should flip on the deep state.
[01:48:09]  Yeah.
[01:48:10]  It's not that Trump is trying to send subtle messages that he's attacking Venezuela because of the election, their money laundering stuff.
[01:48:21]  I would say it's a little on the rude side to say it's not even in the top 10.
[01:48:25]  Yeah.
[01:48:26]  I would give you, I mean, maybe it's in the top five.
[01:48:29]  You know, like that would be a more generous, like, maybe it's in the top five.
[01:48:33]  I don't even think you need to bring numbers into it.
[01:48:36]  I think you say that's an interesting line of thought.
[01:48:38]  Where my gut leads me is more than it is a message that people need to roll over.
[01:48:43]  You're just inherently more polite than I am.
[01:48:46]  I just think it flows better for these dicks.
[01:48:50]  But I think that Patrick Byrne, number one, super rich, formerly sleeping with a Russian spy.
[01:48:56]  Yeah.
[01:48:58]  He is an asshole.
[01:48:59]  I think he's probably a drug user.
[01:49:02]  Wow.
[01:49:02]  And he is free in a way.
[01:49:08]  He's a wacky kind of personality.
[01:49:11]  And I think Alex hates him.
[01:49:13]  I think Alex hates talking to him because he will say stuff like that.
[01:49:16]  It's not even in the top 10.
[01:49:18]  That's aggressive.
[01:49:19]  That's fucking, those are fighting words on Alex's show.
[01:49:22]  They should be.
[01:49:23]  Yeah.
[01:49:24]  You just blew up my narrative like it was a Venezuelan boat.
[01:49:28]  I spent hours on this.
[01:49:30]  I spent hours talking about this.
[01:49:31]  And you're saying it's not even in the top 10?
[01:49:34]  I just spent hours talking about this based on the fact that your interview with me was retweeted by Trump.
[01:49:42]  Right.
[01:49:43]  You fucking asshole.
[01:49:44]  You fucking asshole.
[01:49:45]  So anyway, Patrick thinks that people in the army should kill their superiors.
[01:49:49]  Sure.
[01:49:50]  Yeah, I think, well, I think they're dreaming if they think the military is going to support them.
[01:49:53]  Some weenies may.
[01:49:55]  I think if some weenies try to follow this stuff about stand and like officers try to stand against and go with this normizing color revolution that they started, their own enlisted people will liquidate them.
[01:50:09]  Remember in Vietnam, you know, fragging the lieutenant was quite a popular thing to do.
[01:50:15]  And I think that from what I hear, the enlisted are so fed up.
[01:50:19]  And if their officers start leading in this direction, they're going to frag some generals.
[01:50:24]  They're not the military, and they should.
[01:50:26]  They swore an oath to defend the Constitution, and that includes any corrupt generals or colonels who are trying to get you to break with the constitutional structure.
[01:50:37]  So that's what you're supposed to do for people to know history like Patrick Byrne, who is a historian.
[01:50:43]  If you're given a commander-in-chief order and you believe it's legal and you're having commanders saying don't follow it, I mean, it's like Meli Masker killed the whole village.
[01:50:51]  That's obviously don't follow it.
[01:50:52]  But if the president's like, arrest illegal aliens or, you know, stop a drug boat.
[01:50:57]  If you're given an order not to do that, you're 100% need to disregard who gave that order and follow the presidents were.
[01:51:04]  Correct.
[01:51:05]  Arrest your superior or kill him.
[01:51:07]  Whoa.
[01:51:09]  This show is insane.
[01:51:11]  Yeah.
[01:51:12]  Yep.
[01:51:15]  I like people who really feel like you've gotten your military history from movies.
[01:51:21]  Just pure movie.
[01:51:23]  Saving Private Ryan was a documentary.
[01:51:25]  Apocalypse Now was accurate to the nth degree.
[01:51:28]  Like, man, I think you might need help.
[01:51:33]  Read a book.
[01:51:34]  No.
[01:51:35]  And anybody who tells you to kill him.
[01:51:37]  Kill him.
[01:51:38]  If you get an unlawful order from your commander in chief to read a book, you kill him.
[01:51:42]  Yeah.
[01:51:43]  How dare you?
[01:51:44]  It's your God-given right in the 73rd Amendment to not read.
[01:51:49]  And anybody who tells you otherwise, read, don't read them the Constitution.
[01:51:57]  Unread them the Constitution.
[01:51:59]  Holy shit.
[01:52:00]  Jesus.
[01:52:01]  So Patrick Byrne, he's on to break some big news.
[01:52:04]  Yeah.
[01:52:04]  And that is he has solved the deep state.
[01:52:08]  He's figured it all out.
[01:52:09]  Nice.
[01:52:09]  Pack it in.
[01:52:10]  It's just a matter of time now.
[01:52:12]  Great.
[01:52:13]  Start over now.
[01:52:14]  Here's the massive news.
[01:52:15]  While you couldn't come on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday, you're here now.
[01:52:20]  You have the breaking news got out in the Dallas Express and other publications.
[01:52:23]  You have this letter.
[01:52:24]  As you said, the defections are happening.
[01:52:27]  This is a big deal.
[01:52:28]  Patrick Byrne, tell us what's happening.
[01:52:30]  Exclusive former Maduro spy chief letter to Trump seeks to expose narcoterists, war on the U.S.
[01:52:36]  This is a game changer.
[01:52:37]  Tell us what's happening.
[01:52:39]  Yes, the former head of military intelligence of Venezuela, his name, Hugo Carvajal, he's been sitting for two years.
[01:52:49]  He's defected in 2017 from the regime and stayed in Spain.
[01:52:54]  We arrested him two years ago.
[01:52:56]  And he's been sitting in prison in New York.
[01:53:00]  He reached out to me, to me and the people I've worked with with you, the Gary and the guy I call Zorro, the three of us who've been on this, and offered to flip and turn everything up.
[01:53:12]  Now, just, you know, everything we've been fighting is actually, this election system is categorized as a weapon, and it reports to the Venezuelan military intelligence.
[01:53:22]  So this is the guy who was over the weapon.
[01:53:25]  He was Nicholas Maduro's and Hugo Chavez's director of intelligence.
[01:53:30]  So he knows it all.
[01:53:32]  He got in touch and let us know that he would flip sides.
[01:53:36]  Oh, this is big.
[01:53:38]  So it is true that military intelligence guy for the Venezuelan government, Hugo Carvajal, has come out and offered to give a bunch of information about various illegal things that Maduro and Hugo Chavez did.
[01:53:50]  Sure.
[01:53:51]  Yeah.
[01:53:51]  There's no reason to believe that he reached out to Patrick and his friend Zorro.
[01:53:56]  It would be very strange for him to know Zorro, right?
[01:53:59]  Gary.
[01:54:01]  It sucks if you're Gary.
[01:54:02]  The other guy's Zorro.
[01:54:03]  The other guy's Zorro.
[01:54:05]  Or maybe if you're Gary, you're like, you be Zorro.
[01:54:08]  Because if something happens, they're looking for Zorro.
[01:54:12]  Garrow can disappear into anywhere.
[01:54:14]  Yeah.
[01:54:14]  Talking Gary.
[01:54:15]  Yeah, Gary.
[01:54:16]  So Carvajal sent a letter to Trump, which his lawyer sent to the Dallas Express.
[01:54:21]  The Dallas Express, by the way, is one of many websites that's created to look like a local news site, but it's actually just a right-wing blog.
[01:54:27]  Great.
[01:54:28]  They're trying to trick people with the optics of lying is a real good way to build trust.
[01:54:32]  So, this dude's facing the rest of his life in prison.
[01:54:35]  So, it makes sense that he would want to work out some kind of a deal with a president who's been super into pardoning people who help him out.
[01:54:41]  Yep.
[01:54:42]  Validating a ton of Trump's conspiracy shit about Trende Aragua and the 2020 election would definitely get him a pardon.
[01:54:49]  Oh, yeah.
[01:54:50]  I don't know what Carvajal knows or doesn't know, but I love the idea that Patrick and Zorro are negotiating him flipping on the deep state.
[01:54:57]  But, like, if like he has the information that he says he has, then like, just fucking show it then.
[01:55:05]  Like, this is big.
[01:55:06]  Yeah.
[01:55:07]  I like Patrick.
[01:55:08]  I like Patrick because Patrick is somebody that I can listen to and immediately go, like, oh, you're fucking crazy, man.
[01:55:14]  Yeah, dude.
[01:55:14]  You're fucking nuts.
[01:55:15]  Yep.
[01:55:16]  I like that.
[01:55:17]  I like that.
[01:55:18]  Yeah, you're the kind of guy who's going to yell at a judge.
[01:55:20]  Yep, absolutely.
[01:55:21]  Yeah, yeah, crazy.
[01:55:22]  About something that I won't be offended by.
[01:55:25]  You know, just like, oh, there's too many bees.
[01:55:28]  And it's like, yeah, get him.
[01:55:30]  Yeah.
[01:55:30]  And his disrespect also drips over into Alex, which makes him a fun figure to have over there.
[01:55:37]  That's nice.
[01:55:37]  Yeah.
[01:55:38]  So, like, if this dude is flipping and all that stuff, then it's over.
[01:55:44]  And the only, I mean, the only thing we could worry about is like the evidence not being safe.
[01:55:49]  But thankfully, the evidence is safe.
[01:55:51]  Oh, good.
[01:55:52]  He got in touch and let us know that he would flip sides.
[01:55:56]  And that he has, he negotiated rigging elections in dozens of countries.
[01:56:02]  And his office was wired for sound.
[01:56:06]  He has videotapes of dozens of countries in his negotiations.
[01:56:10]  Don't worry, people.
[01:56:11]  They're all safe.
[01:56:12]  They're all hidden.
[01:56:14]  Thank God.
[01:56:14]  He was offering to turn this over and help.
[01:56:17]  He cooperate.
[01:56:18]  And what's really important to know, since June, what's really important to know is the DOJ and the CIA blocked it.
[01:56:25]  The CIA has been saying he doesn't have any useful information.
[01:56:29]  That seems odd.
[01:56:30]  The Venezuelan General of Military Intelligence doesn't know anything worth debriefing about.
[01:56:35]  That was crazy.
[01:56:35]  That was Biden to make sure he stayed quiet.
[01:56:39]  Yeah.
[01:56:39]  So Byrne is over-promising here, and this is not what you want to do as a conspiracy theorist.
[01:56:45]  If you introduce tapes of this guy negotiating elections and tell the audience that they're safe, you're going to have to come up with a damn good reason why you aren't producing those tapes.
[01:56:55]  Unless you have those tapes, don't mention them.
[01:56:58]  Even if you've seen them, you should shut up until you have copies because now the absolute proof of the thing you desperately want to prove is real exists.
[01:57:07]  And we're just waiting for you to show it.
[01:57:09]  There's no more convincing for you to do.
[01:57:11]  We don't care what other side conspiracies you have.
[01:57:14]  This is proof.
[01:57:15]  So just put it out.
[01:57:16]  You have to start there.
[01:57:17]  Do it.
[01:57:18]  And then we can talk.
[01:57:18]  Why aren't you dead?
[01:57:19]  You can't just tell me about these videos.
[01:57:22]  You have to show them to me, and then we can talk about your conspiracy.
[01:57:26]  That's how it works.
[01:57:28]  Yeah.
[01:57:28]  Nothing else matters now.
[01:57:30]  You have the smoking show.
[01:57:32]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:57:33]  Also, Alex is lying.
[01:57:34]  Carvajal was not snatched up by Biden to try and cover his tracks.
[01:57:37]  He was ultimately arrested and extradited to the United States in 2023, but that was the end of a long process that began with his arrest in 2019 when Trump was in office.
[01:57:48]  The U.S. got Spain to arrest him, but the request for extradition was denied.
[01:57:52]  And when he was released, he just disappeared.
[01:57:54]  Nice.
[01:57:55]  He was arrested again in Spain when they found him in 2021.
[01:57:58]  And at that time, he was unable to block getting sent to the U.S.
[01:58:01]  Sure.
[01:58:02]  He was a wanted criminal before 2019, and he'd been arrested prior.
[01:58:06]  He left the military in Venezuela in 2017, and he was in good standing with Maduro until he backed Juan Guaido when he named himself interim president and tried to oust Maduro.
[01:58:17]  So he chunked it.
[01:58:18]  Yeah, that didn't work.
[01:58:19]  So Maduro expelled Carvajal from the military, which left him a man with no country.
[01:58:23]  Right.
[01:58:24]  When Alex and Patrick are saying that intelligence assessments or they like the CIA blocked it, they didn't want to interview him.
[01:58:33]  What I have seen more is people saying he is not a reliable source of information.
[01:58:39]  Why would he be?
[01:58:40]  He is somebody who has flipped a number of times and has lied a lot.
[01:58:46]  Yeah.
[01:58:47]  And is facing a life sentence, has incentive to lie.
[01:58:52]  He's not a high-value source.
[01:58:54]  He may know a lot of stuff.
[01:58:56]  I'm sure he does.
[01:58:57]  I'm sure he knows a lot of stuff.
[01:58:58]  The level of trust that you can put into someone with his background is quite low.
[01:59:03]  Yeah, the idea of trusting anything anyone in any sort of covert intelligence says about anything is absurd.
[01:59:10]  It's just absurd.
[01:59:11]  The moment you trust it, you're trusting the thing that's going to get you killed.
[01:59:15]  Yeah.
[01:59:15]  And for him, it seems low confidence is around.
[01:59:22]  Yeah.
[01:59:23]  And I think that pretending that he has all this information that threatens to topple U.S. elections and all of the deep state.
[01:59:33]  He's been in prison for months, like longer.
[01:59:38]  I'm not saying he's alive.
[01:59:40]  That's bullshit.
[01:59:41]  I'm not saying that we need to have the running man, like literally.
[01:59:47]  But what I am saying is if something like this happens, where like a military, a high-ranking military guy like flees the country, we should get to watch.
[01:59:57]  You know, like there should be cameras.
[01:59:58]  We should be watching him try and escape.
[02:00:00]  Man, he should have a camera in Spain in his villa where he's living, hiding out.
[02:00:04]  Yeah.
[02:00:04]  I think we should watch.
[02:00:05]  You know, like, I think it would be more boring than you think.
[02:00:08]  Oh, sure.
[02:00:09]  Remember that episode of The Wire where like Omar is hiding out and he goes to get cereal?
[02:00:13]  Yeah, he just goes and gets cereal.
[02:00:14]  It'd be a lot of that.
[02:00:15]  It would be.
[02:00:16]  Yeah.
[02:00:16]  Yeah.
[02:00:16]  Not so much of the guns and running and stuff.
[02:00:19]  Right.
[02:00:20]  A lot of downtime.
[02:00:21]  Right.
[02:00:21]  That's definitely true.
[02:00:22]  But, man, I think part of it is I feel like I could stay out longer.
[02:00:30]  You know, if I'm kicked out of the Venezuelan military in 2017, I'm not getting caught in 2019.
[02:00:36]  That's not long enough.
[02:00:40]  You got to be better at this, man.
[02:00:41]  Jordan.
[02:00:42]  what i have one i mean the only thing i can say to you is it's time to go Go join the Venezuelan military then.
[02:00:49]  Let's do this.
[02:00:50]  I mean, I want to see.
[02:00:52]  I kind of want to test whether or not I can.
[02:00:54]  I mean, you have to test your hypotheses.
[02:00:58]  Is the fugitive, is the life of a fugitive really just a matter of how long you can live the life of a fugitive as opposed to how hard it is to escape stuff?
[02:01:07]  There's that British show that I've seen a couple of episodes of where they have intelligence people try and hunt down celebrities.
[02:01:15]  Oh, that's fun.
[02:01:15]  Like there was one with Ed Gamble and James Acaster.
[02:01:19]  Sure.
[02:01:19]  And they were trying to outrun the people who were hunting them down.
[02:01:24]  I think I could hunt down James Acaster pretty quick.
[02:01:26]  I think Ed did last longer.
[02:01:29]  I think James might have been caught.
[02:01:32]  He's like a wacky, waving, inflatable tube guy.
[02:01:35]  Yeah.
[02:01:36]  But I think that's what you want.
[02:01:38]  You want that experience.
[02:01:39]  Yeah.
[02:01:39]  See how well you would do.
[02:01:40]  I want to see if I can escape, and then I want to see how long I can stay on America's top wanted or most wanted list.
[02:01:46]  And ideally, you'd probably want it to not have stakes.
[02:01:48]  Yeah, and I don't want you to have committed a crime.
[02:01:51]  Right.
[02:01:51]  Yeah.
[02:01:52]  These are the problems that this TV shows.
[02:01:54]  There's a lot of problems.
[02:01:55]  Yeah.
[02:01:55]  Let's get you on that show.
[02:01:56]  I'm excited.
[02:01:57]  You should just do Survivor.
[02:01:59]  I don't know.
[02:01:59]  I wouldn't survive.
[02:02:00]  Yeah.
[02:02:02]  Case in point.
[02:02:07]  No, it's too hot.
[02:02:09]  Oh, okay.
[02:02:10]  So Patrick Byrne talks a little bit about his relationship with Mike Flynn and calls him his handler, which isn't suspicious.
[02:02:20]  That's totally cool and fun.

=== Russians in Our Military Since 2015 (03:00) ===

[02:02:22]  He says something very remarkable.
[02:02:24]  I'm surprised.
[02:02:24]  I'm only going to mention it because it's in this letter, which higher authorities okayed could be made public.
[02:02:31]  There's a piece of very sensitive information in there that I'm surprised they've decided to make public.
[02:02:36]  I'll put it this way: when General Flynn was briefed on this, so General Flynn, as I've said, he stayed out.
[02:02:42]  We didn't bring him in any of the illegal stuff or whatever we were doing before the election.
[02:02:46]  But since the election, he's kind of emerged as I kind of think of him as my handler these days.
[02:02:52]  Or for us, it's kind of it's like playing sandlot basketball and having Michael Jordan show up to be your coach.
[02:03:00]  It's great.
[02:03:00]  So when we have this information, we can bypass all the three-letter agencies who hate me now anyway and get it to Flynn.
[02:03:06]  And he knows the right people for it to go to.
[02:03:08]  It bypasses all the bullshit.
[02:03:10]  He turned white when he heard this information.
[02:03:13]  And the information that came from this Venezuelan general in prison is that in 2015, we invited the Russians in.
[02:03:22]  Their undersea cables.
[02:03:24]  Ask Darius to put up.
[02:03:26]  Daria, I sent you some maps.
[02:03:28]  There are these massive undersea cables of Latin America.
[02:03:31]  And you can see that the undersea cables, which carry all the telecoms, come up the coast and they touch each country.
[02:03:36]  They touch Venezuela.
[02:03:38]  In that port, on that island, they brought the Russians in and they tapped in since 2015.
[02:03:43]  That means the Russians have been in our military since 2015 worldwide.
[02:03:50]  My understanding is once they've broken in one place, they get access to the whole network.
[02:03:54]  It's like its own internet.
[02:03:56]  I don't think that's how that works.
[02:03:57]  Nope.
[02:03:58]  Real shade at Daria there, though.
[02:04:01]  Blatant disrespect.
[02:04:02]  Darius.
[02:04:04]  You just can't call people handlers when you're on shows like this.
[02:04:07]  It's loaded.
[02:04:08]  You can't do that here.
[02:04:09]  No good.
[02:04:10]  So in his letter, Carvajal says, quote, I was present when Russian intelligence came to Caracas to propose to Hugo Chavez the tapping of submarine internet cables that connect most of South America and the Caribbean islands with the United States for the purpose of penetrating United States government communications.
[02:04:26]  In 2015, I warned Maduro that allowing Russian intelligence to build and run a secret listening post on La or Chila Island would one day invite American bombs.
[02:04:36]  He ignored me.
[02:04:37]  This isn't a revelation, and it wouldn't take someone with an intelligence background to understand what the guy is saying.
[02:04:43]  You can find conversations online going back to at least 2018 about Russia setting up on that island.
[02:04:48]  Russia and Venezuela are allies.
[02:04:51]  This isn't.
[02:04:52]  Yeah.
[02:04:52]  This isn't.
[02:04:53]  No, it makes sense.
[02:04:54]  Yeah.
[02:04:55]  And it doesn't illustrate that they've been in all of our comms forever.
[02:05:00]  I imagine General Flynn turns white every time Patrick Byrne comes near him.
[02:05:04]  Like Sting, like Lord of the Rings level of he just like lights up and goes, I got to get out of here.

=== Rikers And The Weird Pervert (10:34) ===

[02:05:11]  Oh, I thought that guy's coming around the corner.
[02:05:13]  For a wrestler sting.
[02:05:14]  No, Like the sword.
[02:05:16]  Point of order.
[02:05:18]  You had a point of order earlier.
[02:05:19]  I'd like to point out.
[02:05:21]  Mike Flynn is already white.
[02:05:27]  I mean, there's no way around it.
[02:05:29]  That is true.
[02:05:30]  That is true.
[02:05:31]  So they're talking about some real serious stuff.
[02:05:35]  They've cracked the case.
[02:05:36]  The deep state is done for Patrick Byrne's got these tapes somewhere safe.
[02:05:41]  He's crazy.
[02:05:42]  They can't be exploited.
[02:05:43]  And this is definitely game over for the Globalists.
[02:05:47]  When he told me about those tapes, my first thought was, I hope they're safe.
[02:05:51]  But thankfully, he said, don't worry, they're safe.
[02:05:54]  So it worked out well.
[02:05:55]  Yeah.
[02:05:55]  Yeah.
[02:05:56]  I can't wait until the world is safe.
[02:05:58]  Oh, I'm so excited.
[02:05:58]  So this is all pretty heavy stuff, but that doesn't mean that they don't have time to riff a little bit.
[02:06:02]  Sure.
[02:06:03]  And so here's some like high-level riffing.
[02:06:05]  Okay, okay.
[02:06:06]  Patrick, how people follow you on X, How They Found Your Work?
[02:06:09]  Follow me, Patrick Byrne, you know, at Patrick Byrne on X, or you can follow me on locals.
[02:06:14]  I'm starting to come on and be a regular with you, Alex.
[02:06:17]  I like breaking you and Emerald.
[02:06:18]  You ought to have Emerald Robinson on someday if you guys aren't.
[02:06:21]  Yeah, we met her on last week.
[02:06:22]  We love her.
[02:06:24]  She's a great researcher.
[02:06:25]  I mean, she's hard to look at, too.
[02:06:27]  Yeah.
[02:06:28]  Boy, she's really glammed up in the last few days.
[02:06:30]  I've noticed, too.
[02:06:31]  I'm being sarcastic, anyways.
[02:06:33]  Yeah, she's a married woman.
[02:06:35]  Let's not, you know, no, she's super smart, super awesome.
[02:06:38]  I love Emerald.
[02:06:39]  Geez.
[02:06:40]  Hey, she's national.
[02:06:41]  Yep.
[02:06:42]  Let's go to break.
[02:06:43]  Hey, Mike Lindell, running for governor of Minnesota.
[02:06:47]  Really?
[02:06:47]  Good, good, good.
[02:06:48]  Turker Durka Muhammad Jahan.
[02:06:50]  We'll see if he can.
[02:06:52]  We'll call it the Crusade.
[02:06:53]  He should lead the Crusade.
[02:06:54]  Like, we're a Crusader outfit.
[02:06:56]  Who is Dirker Durka Muhammad Jihad?
[02:06:58]  Is that an actual person?
[02:07:00]  That's that's Ilon Omar.
[02:07:02]  That's the name of Ilon Omar's dildo.
[02:07:05]  I'm sorry.
[02:07:06]  I'm going to stop.
[02:07:10]  I'm sorry.
[02:07:11]  I'm out of control.
[02:07:12]  We'll be right back.
[02:07:12]  Stay with us.
[02:07:13]  Alex is 51 years old.
[02:07:18]  Yeah.
[02:07:19]  Woof.
[02:07:20]  It's just, it's not electric.
[02:07:22]  No.
[02:07:22]  There's nothing happening here in terms of chemistry.
[02:07:25]  I think Alex hates this dude, but he recognizes that he has a big audience and he's pachenicky.
[02:07:33]  Yeah, he does have some pachinic vibes to him.
[02:07:35]  Yeah, he has the goods if he wants to do it.
[02:07:39]  Alex's humor seems like it only exists whenever he is with like three other dudes, specifically dudes, who are already comfortable with where they know he's going to go.
[02:07:52]  Because every time he starts thinking that something's funny, he catches himself, remembers that other people are watching him and he's actually a weird pervert.
[02:08:01]  So that makes him feel uncomfortable.
[02:08:03]  And then he's like, I need to prove that I'm not a weird pervert.
[02:08:05]  So I'll act like a weird pervert and go, he could have saved the entire thing too by just like whenever Patrick Byrne starts saying like, oh, she's really glammed up over the last few days.
[02:08:21]  All Alex would have had to do, recognizing that this riff train is off the tracks.
[02:08:27]  We're going bad places.
[02:08:28]  Yeah.
[02:08:29]  There's no saving this.
[02:08:30]  Nope.
[02:08:30]  Don't say, oh, I'm being sarcastic.
[02:08:32]  That doesn't help.
[02:08:33]  All he had to do was say, BAM, dismount.
[02:08:35]  No, because it's Emerald.
[02:08:37]  Yeah.
[02:08:37]  Exactly.
[02:08:38]  He could just make an Emerald Lagasse joke.
[02:08:40]  Boom.
[02:08:41]  Moving on.
[02:08:41]  As if this guy is working with Emerald.
[02:08:44]  You bet.
[02:08:44]  That would be funny.
[02:08:46]  Done.
[02:08:46]  It would move along.
[02:08:48]  If it wasn't funny, at least it would happen and be non-offensive.
[02:08:52]  Patrick might be confused, but he seems always confused.
[02:08:55]  Yeah, that is a confused man.
[02:08:57]  This world confuses Patrick Byrne beyond anything I think I can understand.
[02:09:01]  Yeah.
[02:09:01]  I just wish, I wish for a little more smoothness and humor.
[02:09:05]  That's my New Year's wish.
[02:09:07]  It is so strange because it's like the humor is objectify woman.
[02:09:13]  Remember that I'm not supposed to objectify woman in public because it's okay in private.
[02:09:18]  Next, apologize uncomfortably.
[02:09:23]  Got to fix that.
[02:09:24]  Can't be weak by apologizing uncomfortably.
[02:09:26]  So then I have to take it back somehow.
[02:09:29]  Then he winds up being inappropriate and objectifying women again.
[02:09:33]  Right.
[02:09:34]  Man.
[02:09:34]  And what he needs to do is kick it up a notch.
[02:09:37]  Just kick it up a bam.
[02:09:39]  Bam.
[02:09:41]  That's all he needs to do.
[02:09:42]  That's all he needs to do.
[02:09:42]  That's that easy.
[02:09:43]  It literally humor is that easy.
[02:09:45]  Use fewer words and yell.
[02:09:47]  So the CIA has been stopping Patrick from talking to this Venezuelan guy.
[02:09:53]  Oh, yeah.
[02:09:54]  Yeah.
[02:09:54]  Or maybe his lawyer is.
[02:09:56]  Yeah.
[02:09:56]  By the way, a part of this story that when I finish the letter, I'm going to tell you how the CIA has been blocking like crazy anyone at.
[02:10:04]  We had to really go by hook and crook to get access to him in the prison.
[02:10:08]  Yeah.
[02:10:09]  Yeah, why would you do that at Rikers Island you got this information?
[02:10:12]  Yeah.
[02:10:14]  So I was actually ready to pay from, I was ready to give him my lawyer, Stephanie, and she wanted to take his case, and the government got in the way.
[02:10:22]  So we actually got somebody in as a paralegal who has spent weeks debriefing him and recording and all this getting written and signed by him.
[02:10:30]  But this was him.
[02:10:31]  He wanted to come clean.
[02:10:32]  Let's go to part two and part three because it'll shock your viewers even more.
[02:10:36]  When Patrick said this, I thought that maybe this paralegal was the lawyer who had sent the letter to the Dallas Express.
[02:10:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:10:43]  But that's a guy named Robert Feitel, and he is no paralegal.
[02:10:47]  He has his own firm and he boasts 22 years experience in complex international cases.
[02:10:53]  If he's Carvajal's lawyer, then I could see a world where he's trying to stop Patrick from talking to his clients.
[02:10:59]  Absolutely.
[02:11:00]  There is no need for the CIA to be involved here.
[02:11:02]  Nope.
[02:11:03]  I think that you would want to keep this ding-dong away from your guy.
[02:11:07]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:11:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:11:09]  With like, I don't know, armed guards.
[02:11:11]  Whoever is keeping that one Irish guy away from the school is qualified to keep Patrick Byrne away from this guy.
[02:11:18]  You know, like, you just got to get him out of a prison.
[02:11:20]  Yeah, I think Patrick Byrne would be less assertive with like physically than the Irish guy.
[02:11:27]  Man, Rikers, being a guy who's like, I'm in, I'm doing 20 years for marijuana possession in 1990, and my cellmate is the former defense intelligence guy for Nicholas Maduro.
[02:11:41]  What are you going to do?
[02:11:42]  Well, I mean, that's probably not going to happen because most of the people in Rikers haven't been charged, and it's just pre-trial holding.
[02:11:49]  It's even more illegal and unconstitutional than what you even imagined.
[02:11:53]  Yeah, so someone from the 90s who's still there.
[02:11:56]  They're having a real bad time.
[02:11:57]  Yeah, if they've been convicted, they're probably not there.
[02:12:00]  That's a good point.
[02:12:01]  Illegal holding and abuse and shit.
[02:12:04]  So Patrick, he's got a guy who has interviewed this Hugo fellow.
[02:12:09]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[02:12:10]  And it turns out that the guy who's interviewing him, Hugo tried to kill him like five times.
[02:12:16]  Wow.
[02:12:17]  And they laugh.
[02:12:19]  Yeah, he laughs.
[02:12:20]  Come on.
[02:12:21]  It's all part of the game.
[02:12:22]  Oddly enough, the man that we had in prison interviewing him, Hugo Carvajal tried to kill five times.
[02:12:29]  So our man sat down with Hugo Carvajal and said, General Carvajal, you know, I know you tried to kill him five times.
[02:12:36]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:12:36]  And then they got along.
[02:12:37]  They've been spending months together debriefing in this prison cell.
[02:12:43]  So this is a major victory you've had, which is crazy.
[02:12:47]  Meanwhile, you have, as normal, the CIA trying to block it.
[02:12:50]  Is this the paralegal?
[02:12:53]  I think so.
[02:12:53]  Why did Hugo try to kill that paralegal five times?
[02:12:57]  So earlier in the interview, Patrick says that Hugo is being held at Rikers Island, which is presumably where these conversations would have taken place.
[02:13:05]  They would have to.
[02:13:05]  Problem is, Hugo wasn't a Rikers.
[02:13:08]  Ooh.
[02:13:08]  An international criminal who is extradited back to the United States is going to be held in the federal system.
[02:13:13]  So Hugo has been at the Metropolitan Detention Center in New York awaiting sentences.
[02:13:19]  That makes sense.
[02:13:19]  A couple months back, there was a photo going around of Luigi Mangioni posing in jail with Hugo, and they're both at MDC.
[02:13:27]  Right.
[02:13:28]  This is a pretty big detail to get wrong.
[02:13:30]  So I just want to play you, you know, in that last clip, Alex said Rikers, but just to be clear that this is also what Patrick is saying.
[02:13:37]  That was crazy.
[02:13:38]  That was our Biden to make sure he stayed quiet.
[02:13:41]  Yeah.
[02:13:42]  And kept completely isolated.
[02:13:44]  Well, he's actually, oddly enough, he's in Rikers Island now.
[02:13:47]  His cellmate is P. Diddy, believe it or not.
[02:13:50]  So the most likely explanation here is that Patrick just has his prisons wrong because Diddy was also held at MDC.
[02:13:55]  Oh, okay.
[02:13:56]  I don't know if they were ever cellmates, but in December, which is when this episode was happening, Diddy couldn't have been bunking with Hugo because he was transferred to a prison in Texas in October.
[02:14:06]  Right.
[02:14:07]  Patrick is one of these interesting types of characters in Infowars world because I sincerely can't tell if he's completely crazy or not.
[02:14:14]  Yeah.
[02:14:14]  But either way, he's full of whimsy, and Alex clearly hates talking to him, which I enjoy the dynamic.
[02:14:19]  Yeah.
[02:14:20]  But like, I would not be totally surprised if none of this happened.
[02:14:24]  Yeah.
[02:14:25]  And Patrick has just imagined all of it.
[02:14:27]  Absolutely.
[02:14:28]  Yeah.
[02:14:28]  I wouldn't be surprised if they've been interviewing a guy who says he's that guy in Rikers.
[02:14:33]  Or someone is telling Patrick that he's interviewing somebody.
[02:14:37]  Patrick may be paying a guy $50,000 a visit to stay home and pretend that he's talking to this guy.
[02:14:43]  Yeah.
[02:14:43]  And it would be worth it.
[02:14:45]  Any possibility is on the table.
[02:14:48]  Patrick is fucking nuts.
[02:14:50]  Yes.
[02:14:50]  Yeah.
[02:14:50]  Yep.
[02:14:51]  So more of him.
[02:14:52]  I agree with the White House.
[02:14:54]  More of him.
[02:14:55]  More of him.
[02:14:56]  Yeah, man.
[02:14:57]  They just don't know how to do true crazy.
[02:15:00]  And then when you see true crazy, you're like, ah, that's what you guys should be.
[02:15:05]  That's like it makes Alex look so much like a poser whenever you see somebody who's truly fucking nuts.
[02:15:10]  This dude was fucking a Russian spy.
[02:15:13]  Yeah.
[02:15:13]  Yeah.
[02:15:13]  He's out of it.
[02:15:14]  Yeah.
[02:15:15]  He's crazy.
[02:15:16]  No fucking, no fucking governor on this guy.
[02:15:20]  No.
[02:15:20]  So we have one last clip.
[02:15:22]  And I think it's Alex saying too much about what he believes Trump's plan is for the world.

=== North American Hemisphere (03:05) ===

[02:15:29]  I was about to say, what are you making Russia and China the last 10 days cutting with us when it lose?
[02:15:34]  They cut it was really this Monday.
[02:15:37]  Trump said, fine, you want to stand with him?
[02:15:39]  Fine with him.
[02:15:40]  We'll start World War III with you too.
[02:15:42]  I mean, Putin made a very direct threat that basically he'd start, he'd defend Venezuela to the point of World War III.
[02:15:49]  I forgot how he said it, but that was, and Trump answered in kind.
[02:15:53]  And what do you know?
[02:15:54]  They bluffed and they backed out.
[02:15:56]  And now, as of Monday, yeah, they're sending, they sent 150,000.
[02:15:59]  But that's part of the deal.
[02:16:00]  Trump's going with the Russia deal.
[02:16:03]  So it's like, yeah, that's our hemisphere.
[02:16:05]  That's your hemisphere.
[02:16:06]  Yeah.
[02:16:07]  Oh.
[02:16:08]  Cool.
[02:16:09]  That sucks.
[02:16:10]  I mean, I guess, I mean, to a certain extent, I also don't care about hemispheres because what are we doing here?
[02:16:19]  Right.
[02:16:19]  These two people can't divide up hemispheres even if they talk shit about it.
[02:16:23]  No.
[02:16:23]  No.
[02:16:24]  And like, you know, because it's based on lines on the map, like there's parts of Africa that are in the Western hemisphere and like parts of Europe even.
[02:16:35]  Yeah.
[02:16:35]  So like, what are you going to do?
[02:16:37]  Where is the dividing line?
[02:16:39]  This is stupid.
[02:16:39]  Is everybody getting their own continent?
[02:16:41]  I think Alex imagines that like we get North and North America, South America.
[02:16:45]  North America, Central America, maybe give us the polls.
[02:16:49]  You want us to have Poland?
[02:16:50]  No.
[02:16:51]  The North and South.
[02:16:53]  Come on.
[02:16:54]  Come on.
[02:16:55]  That's Comanta right there.
[02:16:57]  That's how we do it.
[02:16:59]  But yeah, Russia gets like Asia, Africa, Oceania.
[02:17:03]  Right.
[02:17:04]  Nobody's going to obviously be bothered by that.
[02:17:07]  No.
[02:17:07]  Right.
[02:17:08]  And then you build up armies and you roll dice.
[02:17:11]  Right.
[02:17:12]  And then Irkutsk falls.
[02:17:14]  And then we get South America because South America will be like, whoa, we can't wait to be part of North America.
[02:17:20]  We're already part of the American Union.
[02:17:23]  We're already one.
[02:17:25]  Bush merged us with Vincente Fox.
[02:17:28]  It's such that childish.
[02:17:29]  Oh, we also get Greenland.
[02:17:30]  It's the fucking Star Wars logic of like, look, if we have all the territory, we won.
[02:17:35]  What are you?
[02:17:37]  What are you going to do with it?
[02:17:38]  Like, what is your bureaucratic plan?
[02:17:40]  I also, that's true.
[02:17:43]  But I also love the idea that Alex's whole career has been like this fucking paranoid fantasy about a one-world government.
[02:17:50]  And now he's like, eh, two's fine.
[02:17:52]  One half world government.
[02:17:54]  Yeah.
[02:17:54]  Maybe two.
[02:17:55]  Two half-world governments.
[02:17:57]  Two's good.
[02:17:57]  That's enough sovereignty.
[02:17:59]  That's enough.
[02:18:00]  Who cares?
[02:18:00]  Yeah.
[02:18:01]  Who needs more than a full continent?
[02:18:04]  It's cool.
[02:18:05]  Yeah.
[02:18:06]  It's cool.
[02:18:06]  Yep.
[02:18:06]  He's a piece of shit, and his ideas do not work internally.
[02:18:12]  Nope.
[02:18:13]  Wildly inconsistent.
[02:18:14]  Yep.

=== Wish Eating in December (01:44) ===

[02:18:16]  But hey, Patrick Byrne was kind of fun.
[02:18:18]  He should really read and learn from Ender's game.
[02:18:20]  Nah, he figured it out.
[02:18:22]  Fair enough.
[02:18:23]  He knows.
[02:18:23]  He just needed to see the first half of the day.
[02:18:26]  I don't think themes exist for him.
[02:18:28]  I think the plot is the theme.
[02:18:31]  Yep.
[02:18:31]  Right.
[02:18:32]  He doesn't have the concept of like larger or thought-provoking or like conflict to being, you know.
[02:18:41]  But yeah.
[02:18:42]  He's incapable of understanding things on deeper levels.
[02:18:46]  And that's what makes him interesting and also boring as shit.
[02:18:50]  Yep.
[02:18:50]  Anyway, we'll be back to see how his path deteriorates even further as December, it's a long December.
[02:18:58]  It is a long December.
[02:18:59]  And there's reason to believe that.
[02:19:01]  I wish he was eating cheese.
[02:19:03]  I wish I was eating cheese.
[02:19:06]  You don't have to stop.
[02:19:08]  The Advent calendar ended.
[02:19:11]  If I get another Advent calendar, I want it to be something different.
[02:19:14]  It can't always be cheese again.
[02:19:15]  Listen, Jesus wasn't actually born on the 25th.
[02:19:18]  We can just have an Advent calendar for 24 days from any day.
[02:19:21]  No, I'm totally with you on that.
[02:19:23]  It just can't be cheese again.
[02:19:24]  Fair enough.
[02:19:25]  Do you want to know something?
[02:19:26]  What?
[02:19:27]  I already ordered another one.
[02:19:30]  I bet you did.
[02:19:31]  Next episode, we're going to have another Advent calendar.
[02:19:34]  Aha.
[02:19:34]  I have revealed my tricks like a magician.
[02:19:37]  Bastard.
[02:19:38]  So anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
[02:19:41]  But until then, we have a website.
[02:19:42]  And DB Do it at soundsfight.com.
[02:19:44]  Yep.
[02:19:44]  We'll be back.
[02:19:45]  But until then, I'm Neo and Leo.
[02:19:46]  I'm DZX Clark.
[02:19:47]  I am the mysterious professor.
[02:19:49]  Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
[02:19:52]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[02:19:54]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[02:19:56]  Thanks for holding.
[02:19:58]  Hello, Alex.
[02:19:59]  I'm a first-time caller.
[02:20:00]  I'm a huge fan.
[02:20:01]  I love your work.