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#1095: November 13, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan witness Alex's coverage of the ongoing Epstein email releases, which is mostly insisting everything is fine and hanging out with an insecure guy who seems to hate people from India.

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alex jones
11:18
d
dan friesen
32:54
e
elijah schaffer
07:14
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jordan holmes
24:36
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unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledgefight.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Tandy.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the earth.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fishman colour.
I'm here today.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jackson.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today involves a little bit of a spoiler.
All right.
So if anyone is watching The Amazing Race, please click forward a little bit if you don't want something spoiled.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's actually not that much of a spoiler.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
All right.
It's just kind of.
I have never seen until this most recent episode of The Amazing Race something that I would have smoked.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
You mean something that you would have done very, very well.
dan friesen
I would have beat everybody by a country mind.
jordan holmes
Not like, wow, that's the biggest spliff in Chechnya.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
No.
unidentified
Although, maybe we could see that on the next one.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey, no, listen, I'd be all for it.
dan friesen
So here's the spoiler.
Without saying who won or any of this stuff.
The last challenge that they had to do after all the roadblocks and everything right before they checked in to the finish was they had to memorize the Greek alphabet and then like identify Greek letters.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
dan friesen
And everyone had so much trouble with it.
And I would have just been like, do, do, do.
Seeing these people that like see a delta and they're like, I think it's a beta.
jordan holmes
Go fuck yourself.
That's always really truly great whenever you watch one of those shows and then suddenly somebody's just, this is my wheelhouse, guys.
We are going to be ahead by four hours because accidentally I am a very specific person.
dan friesen
I was waiting for like, there's enough people left on the show that I thought maybe someone would have some familiarity with me.
But no.
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's the physical Asia show I was talking to you about, right?
One of their challenges, you got these strands of fabric and you got to hang on above the ground, right?
One of the guys on one of the teams, Cirque du Soleil guy.
So it was like, oh, everybody just quit.
This guy's going to win it.
We're already done here.
No point in being here.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would fail at almost everything.
But this would be that moment where it's like, thank God Dan came along.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
This is what I bring to the dirty dozen.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Like, I get it.
You know, everybody wants to be the guy who does all the stuff and gets a lot of the glory.
But sometimes there's a guy who does one thing and he needs that one thing and he's the only guy who can do it.
That's it.
dan friesen
I know that a Sigma is not an O with a squiggle on it.
I know that.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Come on.
unidentified
I would be hard pressed to tell you what you're fucking people.
dan friesen
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is.
Wait, what was my bright spot?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Could have fooled me.
Something about your wife?
Got your ass.
jordan holmes
Nice.
Eat it, Jordan.
Oh, no.
My bright spot is every night we fall asleep watching Chopped.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And my bright spot is Chopped is a perfect TV show to fall asleep to.
It's the perfect structure, form to be asleep and then awake sometime in the middle and be immediately caught up on what's going on and then fall asleep and then the next episode be like, no problem.
dan friesen
It's always very interesting when they open up the ingredient.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, and then it always goes okay.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like it never goes too great or too bad.
jordan holmes
Nope.
It's really hard.
But, you know, everybody knows how to kind of melt stuff together, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I've watched a lot of that show and I don't think I've ever seen someone be like, this fucking sucks.
jordan holmes
No.
You failed.
We were watching an episode where it was like, oh, no, Freitag is having a bad day.
She just tore into everybody.
And you could feel the other judges like reacting to her energy, just be like, I guess I'll try and be meaner about this.
But she was, it was personal.
She had just gotten a divorce or something.
Like, that was a completely separate thing.
dan friesen
There was a rock in her shoes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
So I was just reflecting on what a workhorse of a show that is.
It never needs to stop.
There's never an end to it.
There's always going to be more random shit that you can put in a basket and make people try and cook.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's like, it's exciting, but not that exciting.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So falling asleep to it's pretty good.
jordan holmes
So easy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
It's kind of a like melatonin show.
jordan holmes
It is.
I don't know if you can set out to make a show that's perfect for falling asleep to, but if they did, they nailed it.
dan friesen
I think you can't set out for it, but you just have to accidentally discover it along the way.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad you found it.
jordan holmes
Too good.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about November 13th, 2025.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
As the Epstein emails continue to peek their little heads around.
And Alex is forced to be constantly just saying everything's fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hey, we're.
jordan holmes
Well, everything's fine.
dan friesen
No big deal.
Nothing burgers.
Okay, fine.
So we'll chat about how he deals with this day's events.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonk.
Ooh, that's a great idea.
So first, this is my actual name, not a shout-out, Jones.
Thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next.
Jeff Brown, damn you.
And thank you for bringing Knowledge Fight into my life.
May God start waking you up to tell you the time.
Love TC.
Thank you so much.
You're an Al Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And hey, Maggie, still promise to love you even during football season.
Skull Vikings.
Thank you so much.
You're an out policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technical credit next, Jordan.
So thank you so much to greetings from Nuthatch.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go honking money and telling you brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So on our last episode, we discussed some emails coming out about Trump being the dog that didn't bark.
Sure.
And Wolf, Michael Wolf, and Jeffrey Epstein going back and forth, talking about how they can exploit Trump and shit.
jordan holmes
Basically, we're just doing everything short of Trump and Epstein emailing back and forth, being like, hey, wasn't it great when we had sex with that underage child together, right?
dan friesen
But that was kind of the subtext of the birthday message.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The friendship is a wonderful reason.
jordan holmes
We were basically there.
We're just waiting for an email that explicitly lays out we fucking Eiffel Towered somebody and now we've moved on with our lives and we can go with it, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, I don't think I'm allowed on regular news programs.
dan friesen
No, no.
CNN doesn't want us back now for sure.
But I was trying to think of like an American equivalent of the Eiffel Tower because, you know, that seems so European.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure.
dan friesen
That was what my brand was doing.
jordan holmes
You TV'd the St. Louis Archives.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
All right.
unidentified
The gateway to the West.
dan friesen
You ever been up there?
jordan holmes
I have.
I have, actually.
Yes.
dan friesen
Underwhelming.
jordan holmes
It's very.
dan friesen
So there's more Epstein emails that are coming out.
Sure.
And hey, here's the headline.
Trump's cool.
alex jones
All right.
Here's the deal.
Everybody knows I just call like it is.
Balls of strikes.
And I predicted it wasn't hard to predict what was in the so-called Epstein files that Congress, in the last few months, subpoenaed from the DOJ.
And most of it's already been out and been public.
And it's everything we already knew.
And it all exonerates President Trump.
But that's not the way the media is taking the headlines and spinning it.
So my job is not to defend Trump when he's doing something that's not defendable.
My job is to just analyze the facts.
dan friesen
And pretend that there's a completely different set of facts for you to respond to.
jordan holmes
A really convenient set of facts that already fit with what you were hoping they would be.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that if you judge things solely based on headlines, I would say that a lot of the media stuff isn't great either.
Sure.
But I think that criticism, it's universal for mainstream commercial news enterprises.
Like they're always going to write headlines that make you want to click on them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And shit.
So like, yeah, maybe you could read a headline that overstates some of the email stuff.
Right.
But the counterpoint is Alex, his whole existence is.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I don't want to say it's a matter of degrees so much as it is like, at the very least, one of them is trying.
You know, one of them is trying.
There's a lot of compromises they have to make.
And you know what?
We're biting the bullet on this, but we're trying.
And the other one is like, what if I peed on his face?
dan friesen
Yeah, one is like putting on like fireworks around something that's real.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the other is just lying.
And Alex is the one that's just lying.
jordan holmes
Just lying.
dan friesen
So it turns out that there are some new revelations.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And they have to do with Steve Bannon doing some hanging out.
jordan holmes
Releasing the seventh seal?
alex jones
Maybe.
So now the new thing, because they're like, oh, we're going to release it all.
Oh, actually, drip, drip, drip, drip.
The best they've got is the stuff they've released.
And now, ooh, Steve Bannon's in there.
And I know the Epstein thing up one side and down the other, backwards and forwards.
So I already knew what it would be when I read it.
He had at least one meeting with him in New York, yeah, for a TV interview.
That's what he does.
Oh, Steve Bannon, he was in emails with him.
And he's like, hey, can you put pressure and get any of your buddies to help get rid of Powell?
We really need to cut interest rates.
I've never had a communication with Steve Bannon, and I've had him for many, many, many, many years.
It isn't just, we need to take action on this.
We take action on that.
Give your body a note to help do this.
I mean, that'slanders?
You get behind the scenes.
18 hours a day, just like me, running around fighting the globalist.
unidentified
That's it.
dan friesen
So, Alex's version of the story is that Steve Bannon had just emailed with Epstein to discuss if anyone had a connection to Jerome Powell so that they could get the Federal Reserve to change interest rates.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
Totally innocent.
Nothing to see here.
jordan holmes
Above board, we're just trying to manipulate the prices of things so to make a lot of money.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just a sex trafficker emailing the former head of Breitbart and one of Trump's top advisors working on some behind-the-scenes deals on economic policy.
Now, come on.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's almost like you don't want a deep state.
dan friesen
This is Americana.
So, in reality, Steve Bannon and Jeff Epstein were good friends and had a strong working relationship.
The emails reflect that in 2018, Epstein was coordinating international travel for Bannon, and Bannon called him, quote, a great assistant on more than one occasion.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
When Bannon was still involved with the White House, Epstein was advising him on how to handle foreign policy, telling him, quote, if you're going to play here, you have to spend time.
Europe by remote doesn't work.
This was in the context of telling Bannon that he would need to be physically in Europe to hold influence there, and that Epstein could set up meetings with world leaders for him.
So Alex can cut the bullshit with they had one meeting one time TV thing.
Fucking garbage.
jordan holmes
You know, it is it's it's like this version, the the conspiracy theorist version of it is that horrible, like they make you have sex with a child and they film it so they can blackmail you later and all that stuff.
But the real life version of it is this.
Like everybody just knew him.
So yeah, he's a monster, but everybody knows him.
unidentified
So everybody must be a little bit okay with it, I guess.
dan friesen
Everybody, like, you're not, you're not complicit in like doing a murder ritual with a child, but you are complicit in, hey, I was fine powing around with this guy because I made a lot of money and all that shit.
I sacrificed whatever piece of my morals should have been there for that.
jordan holmes
Which means that now we're on the other side of it.
And it turns out like fucking everybody knew him, but we just don't talk about it all the time because, hey, fucker, you know, everybody knew him.
What are you going to clean house?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
It would be nice.
dan friesen
And see, that's what Epstein and Bannon were trying to do.
jordan holmes
I bet.
dan friesen
Clean some house.
jordan holmes
They were.
dan friesen
Get rid of that Jerome Powell.
jordan holmes
Gotta.
alex jones
And, but, yo, the headlines, ooh, met with him.
Ooh, emails.
And you read them, got them right here.
And it's, hey, you got to put pressure on everybody you know.
We really got to get rid of Powell.
That was eight years ago.
Well, imagine the White House chief of staff trying to mobilize powerful people to get rid of the Federal Reserve head.
And it's like, oh, shocking revelations.
Oh, my goodness.
And you read, it is nothing burger on top of nothing burger, on top of nothing burger.
dan friesen
So keep in mind that at the time when Bannon would have been doing this, it's well after the point where everyone knew that he was a sex trafficker and a pedophile.
The best defense Alex can come up with for these emails is that Bannon, acting as Trump's chief of staff, felt that part of overthrowing the head of the Federal Reserve required rallying a known sex trafficking pedophile into your ranks because he was powerful.
Even if Alex wasn't lying about what the emails say, and even if you were covering the story down the middle, this explanation is horrible.
The Alex Jones of 2011 would have serious problems with the president's chief of staff secretly coordinating with a sex-trafficking pedophile in order to sway economic policy for the country.
And to see this be a nothing burger for Alex now is just pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I want better for him.
This is so bad.
jordan holmes
It's it again, it's just so easy.
This is the easiest thing in the world, right?
Like, I understand it's the instinct of everybody in the internet sphere to like talk about the details in this business and argue about all of this stuff.
But the reality is, if you're in the business of being Alex or the like, you can just be like, hey, all of these people were talking to him.
All of these people get consequences.
That's it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
And at this time frame that he's talking about where Steve Bannon would have been coordinating with Epstein in order to try and get Jerome Powell out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's the same time that all of the people in the media sphere of like Breitbart and Infowars are sensationalizing the shit out of like Podesta emails and all this Pizzagate shit.
And so like it's a little bit ludicrous to pretend that anyone really cared about any of that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Now is the time for torches and pitchforks.
You're the torches and pitchforks guy.
Buy some torches and pitchforks.
dan friesen
No, because then you have to use them on each other.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
It'll be fun.
dan friesen
You have to torch and pitch pork your friend.
jordan holmes
You guys got to have it out, and then we'll deal with what's left.
dan friesen
I see.
I think the problem is that you are suffering from something that Alex thinks is very common right now.
And that is that people are just, they're too stupid.
jordan holmes
That will happen.
I have thought that about myself an awful lot lately.
dan friesen
You may just not get it.
alex jones
But it's the messaging.
I'm serious when I say this because things have kind of become idiocracy.
We've got to be really smart about policy, implement it, be very brainy at that.
But, I mean, if Trump just did like Kid Rock did and say had an eye sculpture of Jerome Powell or an eye sculpture, you know, of some globalists and started beating it with a sledgehammer, he got a 10% boost.
And you're like, well, wait, Alex, you don't want violence.
You don't want rhetoric.
You don't turn it up.
Well, here's the problem.
The public's so dumbed down.
That's why the left's running around saying kill everybody.
That's why the left's running around saying murder everyone, civil war.
Because A, that's the podesta plan.
And B, that's what their constituents want.
unidentified
Huh.
alex jones
And I'm not saying Trump has to go that far.
He's just got to get hardcore because his actions are revolutionary.
But the delivery is very corporate.
And people are seeing this.
And note to Trump.
Don't have Larry Ellison or Bill Gates in the White House.
Note to Trump.
Stop saying the whole Epstein thing's a hoax.
Remember what it got explained to you?
How you were the one that exposed it and all that?
It's on record.
Remember?
I know you don't care.
It's a strategy for you.
jordan holmes
Remember the lies we told you to tell?
alex jones
But remember, Roger came and met with you and was like.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
You went out and people went, oh, oh, yeah.
Because it was true.
dan friesen
Remember, Roger coached you on this?
jordan holmes
This is why the left is going.
dan friesen
Come on, buddy.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Don't you remember?
jordan holmes
How is it possible that you could both hero worship a guy and then speak to him like that?
dan friesen
Remember your talking points.
alex jones
Oh, God damn it.
unidentified
This is crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, people are really stupid.
If only Trump would be like Kid Rock and smash an ice sculpture of somebody, people would love it.
jordan holmes
I think there was a time when it was like whenever I felt like they were lying, right?
But they knew what the reality was.
And from there, they were creating a lie to go from there, right?
dan friesen
Right.
I think I know the distinction you're making.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now it feels like nobody even bothers with what reality is anymore.
And they just enjoy crafting new and more fun lies on top of those lies.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that, yeah, in the past, it felt like there was a lie, but there was kind of an obligation to pretend we all still lived within reality.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Like, I know you know that I'm lying, but not everybody knows that I'm lying.
And that's where I get my grift.
That's where we're at.
But now it feels like I don't even know if I'm lying anyway.
I might be telling the truth.
I might be lying about lying right now.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very untethered.
Yeah.
When you said there was a time that I got a really horrible thought in my head, and that was there was a time that I probably could recite the lyrics to like five kid rock songs.
jordan holmes
Ooh, five.
dan friesen
And I think that time might be now.
jordan holmes
I think I still could.
Do you think that time is still now?
dan friesen
I think I listened to Devil Without a Cause, that album enough times that it's just there forever.
jordan holmes
You know, it is like I, whenever I did hearing aids, I spent some time more than I would ever like to in nursing homes and hospices.
And there is that like person who's like, man, I still smell that from when I was nine years old.
And it's like, there's so many things I don't want to be the last memory I have of my pet.
dan friesen
I think I'm the bull god.
Ba with Deba.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
Only God knows why.
jordan holmes
How many lyrics are there in Ba with Deba, though?
Because I feel like 40% of it is the title of the song.
dan friesen
No, no.
40% of it is that intro where it's just like, Wayne.
jordan holmes
That's one word.
That's one lyric.
dan friesen
There's other lyrics.
jordan holmes
There's a few.
Okay, okay.
All right.
unidentified
Don't make me do this.
dan friesen
This is with the questions that don't have any answers.
jordan holmes
I prefer Will Smith's.
dan friesen
The Midnight Glancers and the Topless Dancers.
jordan holmes
Let's stay in safe harbors where there is a giant mechanical spider.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is reflecting a little bit about how everyone would love him if he turned on Trump.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
He doesn't succeed.
I want everybody to understand because it's so fashionable to attack him.
So fashionable, you know, to spend all your time going after him.
Because the Democrats will promote you because they want to schism.
And a lot of Republicans are pissed off, so they're all for it.
I mean, if I came out here and said, screw Donald Trump, F him, I'm done.
Why, the Democrats would drop their lawsuits against me.
jordan holmes
Is that how it works?
alex jones
And I could be number one everywhere again.
They wouldn't be blocking me or attacking me.
But America would end up degenerating and collapsing.
So I don't even think about selling out and doing that.
But at the same time, I have to cover each little piece of this and be accurate about it.
Trump is the lifeboat we're in.
Literally.
And he's not perfect.
But if the lifeboat sinks, we go down with it.
dan friesen
If Alex turned on Trump, none of his legal problems would go away.
He'd still be in the exact same mess that he's in.
And there's a pretty good chance that no one on the other side of the media would even care past making fun of him.
Alex has missed the boat in terms of his timing to make a meaningful pivot.
It legit doesn't matter what he does or who he supports now because the beast he was serving has grown far more powerful than anything he has to offer.
Alex and his audience are just kind of backwash now.
There was a time when everyone in the extreme right-wing media were caught up in Trump worship, and it would have been a pretty big step to break with Trump.
In and around 2020, that election time, that probably would have been the best time to stake this kind of a position because it was super clear that Trump was trying to overthrow the election.
And after January 6th, it would have been profoundly easy to present a position that basically boiled down to this guy is obviously a tyrant.
And while I support a lot of his policies, everyone on the right has been whipped into a cult of personality that's going to destroy us.
If he would have done that then, he could have preserved something for his career and probably got a larger audience, but he's a coward.
jordan holmes
I mean, obviously, the irony of that is we told him to do exactly that around 2020.
Yes.
dan friesen
If Alex had made that pivot, it might have mattered.
But now everything is inconsequential.
By degrees and over time, Alex has made decision after decision that's eroded his ability to ever stand up for himself in a way that matters to the point where he now feels like he has to cover for Bannon and Epstein being friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, no, you've got nothing.
jordan holmes
It feels like a VH1 behind the music documentary.
Like, we're at the point where it's like, wow, you really did downfall, huh?
You really went through it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's like, Alex isn't going to make the best art of his career.
Like, he's not going to find the music again.
jordan holmes
There is no third act redemption story here.
There is just fucking white snake went on and then they died.
dan friesen
Unless painting show.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now we're talking, that actually does sound good.
dan friesen
I think that there's like a weird buyer's remorse kind of feeling of like, everything in my life would be better if I didn't do this.
And it's like, no, you're delusional.
You're just, you mistimed the jump.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's, it's, it's amazing to listen to somebody be like, wow, if I did the thing that I should do, it would end society.
But at the same time, knowing that this person has only ever gotten more and more and more of what they want, which is exactly proportional to how much worse and worse and worse everything has gotten.
Like, it could not be more stark, the two lines of more you get, worse it gets for us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's fascinating, too, how I think like Alex should really take stock of like how his career has come to a point where he can't say no to Trump except in petulant outburst.
Like he's falling in line with everything that matters.
And the only kind of pushback at all is like, yep.
And it's just doubled back once the feeling subsides.
jordan holmes
And the closest he can get to some sort of sober-eyed criticism is saying he calls balls and strike 100% of the time strikes for Trump.
Yeah.
Like crazy.
dan friesen
So the media, I think, this is really the point.
They should be nicer to Trump.
jordan holmes
That does sound true.
dan friesen
And then I think Alex is encouraging people to self-harm.
alex jones
Well, and so everybody just needs to remember: yep, criticize Trump.
But are you spending 80% of your time on it?
Yeah, you are.
jordan holmes
That's not going to help us.
alex jones
Are you spending most of your time on trying to promote the good things he's doing?
jordan holmes
That's not how we got to it.
alex jones
Try to fight the globalists and the left and expose the bad they're doing because we really should be spending our time on that.
Most of it.
I just took Trump somewhat to the woodshed because I know he gets information back.
So I'm more riding a horse, and that's what I see Trump as literally he's the horse getting us there.
I don't mean that as an insult, but and I'm just jamming spurs into you know his back legs and and I got a riding crop and I'm whooping his ass lovingly.
And by the way, I got a riding crop beating my own ass.
I mean, you know, get up, get on your feet, fight because we're right at the heart of the battle right now.
So all of us need to be digging our spurs into ourselves.
All of us need to be getting a riding crop out.
Man, that'll wake your ass up.
Take a riding crop and slap yourself hard on the thigh.
Know what a horse feels.
I mean, you know, open the skills.
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
alex jones
I'm not a masochist, but at this point, I am.
I mean, it's like Roy Batty's dying at the end of Blade Runner.
jordan holmes
I need to feel something.
alex jones
I'm getting him juiced up through adrenaline, so he's driving nails into his hands just so he can finish the fight.
I mean, I'm there, man.
I'm like pulling nails out here.
I'm like, get that son of a bitch going here.
All right, this is do or die time, folks.
Get your game faces on.
Get serious.
dan friesen
Remember last episode, he was talking about jumping out a window?
This guy's in a good place.
Good place.
jordan holmes
I mean, listen, I was even willing to go along with it.
You know, all the way up to like, you know, I've given myself a nice slap on the face.
You know, you give yourself a splash of cold water into the face.
Ah, you get the senses sharp and that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Wake up.
jordan holmes
So I can get on board with a little riding crop slap.
And then he's like, break the skin.
I'm like, what are we doing here?
What's happening now?
alex jones
Feel the blood.
jordan holmes
There is no need for that part.
What?
Why do you want blood?
dan friesen
What's happening?
It's a color of passion.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
Just splash some cold water.
You don't even bleed.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a couple corrections.
He had not taken Trump to the woodshed.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
And then the second thing, it's not so much a correction, but it's like, okay, if he's the one who's digging the spurs into Trump, who's digging the spurs into Alex?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
That's Roger, right?
jordan holmes
It would have to be.
dan friesen
I mean, who's giving him the whipping?
It's not God.
Once you start with- God doesn't do that.
jordan holmes
This person's a puppet.
We've seen how that goes.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But like, God is about free will.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So God's never going to whip you with a riding crop to be like, get it done.
jordan holmes
Get it done.
dan friesen
To be a devil or like a Roger.
jordan holmes
I guess the closest we've seen God come to riding crop behavior is whenever he gave Alex several hundred dreams.
And Gene Hackman still died.
So you clearly can't riding crop, Alex.
dan friesen
But none of that was riding crop.
That didn't break the skin.
jordan holmes
No, that's true.
That didn't break the skin.
That was mainly just a nagging.
That was mainly just nagging.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Listen.
If you don't clean your room, it's not nagging for someone to be like, you got to clean your room.
You got to do it.
It's not nagging.
jordan holmes
It's a reminding.
You took on this mission of keeping your room clean.
I'm not killing Gene Hackman right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's the problem.
jordan holmes
That is maybe the problem.
I mean, it's too late now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's interesting that you bring this up of God telling Alex things because the night before this, he was visited by the Lord.
alex jones
Last night, it happened again.
unidentified
Got my cell phone turned off.
alex jones
I stuck it in the drawer.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
alex jones
There's the bedstand.
jordan holmes
Don't do it.
alex jones
And I wake up.
jordan holmes
Don't do it.
alex jones
God's tapping me on the shoulder.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex.
alex jones
And I said, turn my cell phone on, right?
You're going to show me your relegant, right?
jordan holmes
Alex, this isn't fun anymore.
alex jones
Get it and turn it on.
And I say out loud, 247.
jordan holmes
Fucking hell.
alex jones
Phone boots, which means God told me that he'd probably 246.
Boots, 247.
That's probably happened thousands of times in my life.
Maybe a thousand.
I don't know.
Over and over again.
That's God's way, I guess.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
Is that it?
jordan holmes
Is that God's way?
That's it.
That's the whole thing.
alex jones
Things, exact minutes, times.
It's amazing.
And that's just God's way, I guess, of talking to me.
You know, today is the one-year anniversary of the fake auction they had last year.
dan friesen
Go have a drink.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So what's the point?
Like, what did God want to convey to Alex through time predictions?
Isn't the point supposed to be that the time trick is to get Alex's attention, then God tells him to stop drinking or whatever?
The time trick isn't the important part.
It's the message God is conveying afterwards.
And Alex seems to be a bit vague on what those messages are.
We certainly hear about this clock shit over and over and over again, though, which you're right.
It's not fun anymore.
This is pretty fucking stupid.
Even if I'm God, I'm getting annoyed.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking earlier today, I was like, man, hell seems like a waste of energy.
You've got so much energy and effort forever to punish some dead guys who can't even bother you anymore.
They've got to get bored.
But clearly, they don't get bored, right?
So there's no way for a demon to get bored with fucking with Alex like this.
Like, he's bringing his friends every morning.
Like, check this out.
I swear to God, he does it every fucking time.
dan friesen
You're going to need if we presume that it's a demon doing this, as opposed to Alex looking at clocks and choosing to forget all the times he's wrong about what time he thinks it is.
jordan holmes
That does seem reasonable.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's more what's going on.
jordan holmes
It seems reasonable for you to say that, but I'm going to go with demon.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, look, I'm no theologian, but I believe that based around my understanding of God from the Bible, he wouldn't just be desperately chasing Alex around trying to impress him with clock tricks.
God gave Alex hundreds of dreams about Gene Hackman in the year before his death, and Alex ignored them.
If you have the balls to call yourself a prophet and try to make money off this status you think God's afforded you by speaking, him speaking to you, you don't get to pick and choose what visions you accept.
If you just decide that you get to ignore some prophecy and go with the stuff you like, then you're using God.
And if he exists, you're probably going to hell.
Submission to God requires that you accept things that are personally disadvantageous, like recognizing that it would look crazy to randomly go to Gene Hackman's house because you think God told you to.
That looks crazy to normal people because we know that God doesn't just give us missions.
But if Alex is the person that he pretends to be and profits off making people believe he is, then he should have gone to Hackman's house after like dream number four.
This is not that complicated.
He thinks he has visions.
It's not weird for him.
It would be weird for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be weird for me.
dan friesen
It would be weird for me.
It's not weird for him.
He's had a thousand instances where God told him what time it was in the middle of the night.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just thinking, you know, I'm thinking about Jupiter, right?
So Jupiter, real big, made out of gas and stuff.
There's a storm on the planet that's bigger than Earth.
Or maybe something like that.
That might be true, might not be true, but there's a really big storm, right?
There's all of this shit, and it's so far away, and it's so big.
And this God had to have created that too, right?
So he's got this giant gas giant, and he's got a storm that goes on for eternity, and you can see from space.
But also, it's 247, buddy.
247.
dan friesen
It's 247, and you're late to terraform that big gas storm.
jordan holmes
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
You got to get out to space and turn it green.
jordan holmes
God needs to get his shit together.
Priorities, man.
Make a better planet somewhere.
dan friesen
Unless, unless there is something really, really, really, really important that Alex is supposed to be doing that he's not doing.
Like, if God is really shaking him around in the middle of the night, it's not because he wants him to continue to do a dumb radio show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
There's got to be something bigger.
I mean, he's got to like overthrow the power of the world.
He's got to like perform miracles in front of Congress or something.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you've got Noah, right?
And he's all like, I'm not going to build this shit.
And then you, you know, you throw him away.
We punish him.
You do all this stuff.
Right, right, right.
This is a lot like Alex, but the goal at the end of Noah was everybody needs to continue living eventually.
And Alex's goal is not even close to that.
At best, it's save Gene Hackman's life, and that's already over.
dan friesen
Yeah, you missed that one.
jordan holmes
So can you imagine a God?
dan friesen
Or conversely, we don't know if he was supposed to go and kill Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
That's also possible.
Yeah.
Can you imagine a God who's created free will and all this stuff several hundreds of thousands of years of humanity and all this stuff, and then is like, man, for the first time ever, really regretting that shit.
I could just take this guy over in a heartbeat.
I've possessed people before.
dan friesen
I'm really questioning my own infallibility.
I mean, this guy is a real fuck up.
jordan holmes
I could start over.
Like, it's not too late.
dan friesen
You know what I think is also kind of funny?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex has the, you know, like in the middle of the night, God tells him what time it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you think about these other figures from the Bible.
Sure.
You know, like a Noah.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I just imagine Alex being like, you know what?
I got to build an ark.
And then all of his shithead friends being like, Elon's already doing a better version.
Do you think you can make a better rocket than this?
What are you doing?
You're making a boat?
jordan holmes
I bet, I will say this: for the next catastrophe, I have a strong sense that a boat's going to be more useful than a rocket.
Boat will.
dan friesen
Yeah, you should have a boat.
jordan holmes
I would bet on boat over rocket next catastrophe around.
dan friesen
So, Alex, one of the things that he spends some time on on this episode is Woody Harrelson.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's talked some shit.
jordan holmes
What's going on with Woody?
Woody's all right, right?
dan friesen
He's not all right.
jordan holmes
He's not all right?
dan friesen
First of all, his dad killed JFK.
jordan holmes
Well, that is true.
dan friesen
Second.
jordan holmes
That is true.
I forgot about that.
I forgot about that part.
That is true.
dan friesen
He's been talking some shit in interviews about maybe how he would poison Trump.
And Alex is not thrilled with that.
unidentified
He said, Dream about being a Secret Service agent, but then that passed when I realized the character that I liked on television was actually an actor playing the Secret Service agent.
But luckily, I didn't become a Secret Service agent.
I'd be having to protect Donald Trump right now, and that just wouldn't sit well.
You would have a very big tropical.
Yeah, I'd be wanting to slip him some cyanide instead of jumping in front of a bullet.
I shouldn't say these things.
You should not be saying these things.
Okay, I guess.
alex jones
Well, there's no, not when your dad's a famous CIA top assassin.
Probably, probably don't want to be saying that stuff, Woody.
Not good.
unidentified
Because they might recruit him again.
alex jones
Not good at all.
Charles Harrelson.
And I've interviewed more people than anybody.
I've interviewed three of the people that were there with Charles Harrelson.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
And I'm told that big Subrutter film.
That Harrelson's one got that shot.
None of them were exactly sure because they shot him full of holes and just three bullets at him, a whole bunch.
Triangulation, that's the key.
So I think when old Woody makes comments like that, that's not good, Woody.
jordan holmes
Why?
Because Woody Harrelson.
alex jones
He's the top racehorse at killing people.
Well, we know that stuff passes on.
You kind of got to.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Makes you really believable as a tough guy in the movies that you need to dial that back, sonny boy.
Need to dial it back.
And I like Woody.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
alex jones
But crowned at win points with the Democrats and the liberals talking about killing Trump.
Not a good thing, Woody.
Not good, Woody.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Murder's genetics.
jordan holmes
What is this?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So there's no evidence that Woody Harrelson's dad was involved with the CIA or the JFK assassination.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He was a mob assassin, though.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
For sure.
Yeah.
And he died in jail serving a sentence for killing a judge.
So, Alex does have a lot of clay to work with here.
jordan holmes
Sure, no, no, no, no.
I mean, I have a hard time with, hey, if your dad's a mob assassin, you're probably great at killing people.
That's intense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You have a button someone can press somewhere that'll turn you into Jason Bourne.
jordan holmes
As opposed to just being like a pretty great actor.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a good actor.
So Woody Harrelson's a figure in Hollywood who has politics that are close to what Alex wants to pretend his are.
So I think Alex tends to treat him a little softer than he would anybody else.
It's just weird for him to be sitting on the show and having this response to a celebrity saying that he wanted to kill Trump when he's routinely lost his shit screaming about folks like Robert De Niro saying that he just wants to punch him.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
What I'm saying is that this is all a game and Alex likes Woody Harrelson.
Yep.
And so he is.
I like you, Woody.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Dial it in.
jordan holmes
I mean, I feel like, what, how many years ago now did Kathy Griffin hold a headless Trump?
dan friesen
That was around the election, right?
2016.
2016.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're, we're, I mean, hey, come on, buddy.
They can't be.
dan friesen
They called like a jihad on her.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
Like, what are we, what are we doing here?
Everybody went fucking ape shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I remember like Alex was like trying to sell Kathy Griffin his ISIS shirts and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Crazy.
jordan holmes
Man, I love that that stuff in retrospect still does.
Like people are still like, well, let's, you know, she's gone a little too far, and here we are.
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
So a lot of this show, obviously, immigrant bashing and racism and what have you.
But we don't need to dwell in all of the instances of that because we have a guest who comes in.
This guy named Elijah Schaefer.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
He used to work for the Blaze, but he got fired for sexually assaulting a coworker.
Boy, that's ugh.
And so he has his own show called Slightly Offensive.
unidentified
I wouldn't name my show that if I was a.
dan friesen
Well, it's kind of like a comedian naming a special canceled.
It's like, it lets people know you're cool.
unidentified
I guess.
jordan holmes
I guess.
Slightly offensive is not cool.
That's the least cool thing you could be.
I'm a little bit.
That's the coolest thing you've got.
dan friesen
I'm a little.
So he is getting sued by Kash Patel's girlfriend.
jordan holmes
So he's extremely offensive.
dan friesen
Yeah, he has offended her sensibilities for sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the situation.
Someone else posted something about leaders being like having handlers and like there's too many people who are under control.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
We're getting back to Israel sooner or later.
dan friesen
Yes.
And so he, Elijah Schaefer, posted a picture of Kash Patel and his girlfriend under this tweet.
So he responded to this tweet about people being controlled within the administration.
jordan holmes
Kash Patel controlled by his Israeli girlfriend.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Which is, she has already sued Kyle Serafin, another of Alex's friends, for more explicit claims that she is an Israeli honeypot agent and that he is being handled by her.
Sure.
And so she decided to sue him for this tweet.
And my take on it is generally like, she shouldn't sue him for that, probably, but he 100% meant it to be something that is defamatory and deserves to get you sued.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The only reason I say maybe she shouldn't have sued him is because like, is it worth your time?
Sure.
Is it something that really you can follow through?
And there's an argument to be made that she doesn't have the same protections that a lot of people would as a private citizen because she's a musician on top of already being Kash Patel's girlfriend.
So she is more of arguably a public figure.
I don't know.
I think it's a mess.
Everyone's wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's what happens.
It's what happens when you have like dipshits being elevated into media roles, no professionalism anywhere, and other types of dipshits running the government.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You end up with this kind of drama circle nonsense.
Yeah.
And everyone's just trying to make some money off it.
jordan holmes
Boy, that is the epitaph of America.
Everybody was just trying to make some money, man.
dan friesen
So Elijah Schaefer comes on, and I think that one of the things that he really has to do is play dumb about what he did.
Right.
Like, obviously, what he was doing was saying, this is a person who is controlled by the person in this picture.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Fucking obvious.
jordan holmes
If we were both to be honest about this situation, the facts of the case have already been decided against me.
I was defaming her.
dan friesen
Right.
Or at very least, there are no real plausible arguments for what else you were trying to say with this post.
jordan holmes
Right.
So I only need to make a just good enough argument to keep me out of trouble.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I have no interest in making an actual argument.
dan friesen
And I think it's embarrassing for him just based on like, you know, what's obvious.
Sure.
But it's also embarrassing for Alex.
alex jones
Start over.
I mean, this is insane.
jordan holmes
Insane.
alex jones
Yeah, you never said anything bad about us, but because you criticize Israel, we're going to destroy you.
I mean, this is bonkertown.
I bet Netanyahu's people wrote this.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
elijah schaffer
Well, look at this.
Look at this.
Defendant Elijah D. Schaefer has perpetrated a malicious lie about Alexis Wilkins, falsely claiming that she is an American-born country singer, is a foreign agent of the government to manipulate and compromise director of the FBI.
So they say the lawsuit starts at its first sentence, says, I said something, and then it goes down and it says he actually didn't say anything.
This is legitimately what it says.
He did not say anything.
It said he replied with a wordless reply with no caption, with no statement, with no words.
However, we know what he was thinking.
That's where this is crazy.
We know what he was thinking when he posted a picture of Kash Patel and his girlfriend.
alex jones
And by the way, look at this is a great photo.
He looks great.
She looks great.
You posted this on top of someone else's post.
This is $5 million.
elijah schaffer
But I'm a payment.
alex jones
They look great.
I mean, what the hell's going on here?
elijah schaffer
Well, this is what I'm trying to tell people.
Look, and you'll see the accounts.
alex jones
Hold on, hold on.
You're being sued for $5 million for that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
All you did was post on somebody else's post that.
dan friesen
Maybe you shouldn't be sued for that, but you shouldn't be playing this kind of fucking dumb either.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The reason that we end up in a position where nobody knows what anything means anymore is because covering your ass when you have posted something like this to avoid paying someone for defaming them with accusations, you have to play this kind of stupid, oh, you don't know what I was thinking.
Maybe I just wanted to post a picture of Kash Patel and his girlfriend looking beautiful together.
It's fucking embarrassing.
Say what you mean.
Read what you say.
jordan holmes
Right, Rara.
I think that's, I think it's this kind of shit right here that is the inspiration for that.
No, that somewhere an adult should be coming, that kind of thing.
Because this is the type of shit where.
dan friesen
You should just, someone should slap Elijah and be like, fucking stop it.
Stop lying.
Just say what you want.
Do you want to speculate and talk about how you think she's possibly an Israeli honeypot?
Then do it.
jordan holmes
Then do it.
Yep.
Yeah.
It is like we're all in elementary school, and there should be.
We, when we were in elementary school, everybody inherently trusted the teacher whenever the teacher would hear this shit and go, Get the fuck out of here.
Get back into your fucking desk.
And everybody would go, Yep, totally.
You shouldn't be able to do that.
dan friesen
Go to him out.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
And now we just don't have anybody who we can trust to do that.
And what you were supposed to do, what you would suggest to trust, like a judge, his job is essentially that is that you go there and that's the one place where you're like, We all know this guy said something defamatory.
How is it possible you disagree with us?
dan friesen
Well, I think that it is arguable.
I could see a very responsible judge thinking that this doesn't rise to the level of a lawsuit.
But like, you'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to not understand what he means by this.
jordan holmes
You would have to be insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the fact that he wants the people he follows or who follow him, excuse me, to like accept that as an excuse means that like you don't have a whole lot of respect for the people that you're talking to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, brutal.
dan friesen
I think, I just think that, you know, it's, it's childish shit.
This like, you don't know what I'm thinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that kind, like you're supposed to be a conveyor of information.
You're supposed to be somebody who's, you know, putting out news and analysis and all this stuff.
And you're trying to hide behind the mysteriousness of whatever your language could possibly mean.
unidentified
And it's just you can't know what's in another person's heart.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, oh my god.
Yes, I can.
Whenever you tweet shit.
dan friesen
Well, then, by all means, tell me what's in your heart.
What's the other explanation for this?
jordan holmes
Oh, boo.
The burden of proof is on the state.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex obviously can't have a conversation with somebody who's in this position without it being like.
jordan holmes
It's entirely about Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
elijah schaffer
It was an image that I posted without any words.
They extracted all of these statements.
He said this.
It's not even just that he implied.
It's like he said that she is an agent.
He said that she is working from Assad.
He said that she's manipulating and controlling her boyfriend.
And there's more.
They extracted like a dozen or more statements from that picture that were never stated.
I am being sued for something I never said.
Now you can get sued.
alex jones
You're being sued for something.
They said you said.
elijah schaffer
Correct?
That's this is nuts.
Like, do you know how crazy this is, Alex?
alex jones
I've never been to Connecticut and they claim I sent people to peon Graves and then we asked him on the stand.
No one peed on Graves.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
So yeah, it is about, it is kind of about you.
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I like the game.
You know what?
Let me put it this way, right?
I like the game.
I like the lion game.
I like the trying to get away with shit game.
I like the doing something that's against the rules and seeing if I can't jump the general lee over it kind of game.
That's fun.
But if you get caught, you accept that you lost the game.
You move on.
You know, you know what I'm saying?
You don't give me this like, well, you don't know, you know, like, fuck you.
You got caught.
Accept the game.
The game works.
Move on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's brutal.
dan friesen
It's not impressive if you're jumping the general lee in a video game with like moon physics.
jordan holmes
And then you don't have, yeah, you got, there's going to be stakes.
Sometimes you lose.
dan friesen
Yeah, you fucked up.
jordan holmes
You fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Suck it up, eat it like a man and move on with your fucking life.
dan friesen
So here's the problem that I have.
I'm not interested.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
I'm not really interested in this guy's lawsuit at all.
I think it's incredibly dumb to pretend that he meant anything other than what he is being alleged to have said.
Yep.
But maybe she doesn't really need to be suing him.
Maybe as a public official, these are the kinds of things you just have to be like, fuck it, whatever.
Let these shitheads talk their shit.
You know, whatever.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I don't care.
It doesn't really affect me.
jordan holmes
I think this is where we need a Solomon to just be like, hey, neither of you can be online for six months.
Fuck you.
I don't even give a shit about what either of you are saying.
Get offline for six months and go outside.
dan friesen
She's fucking dating Kash Patel, so that sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think that she can be that great.
This guy's Elijah Schaefer, and he sucks.
So he sucks.
So whatever.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Now, what I am interested in is Elijah Schaefer continuing to talk because I think he reveals that he really fucking hates Indians.
elijah schaffer
I've been very critical.
I've had some very viral posts very recently in the last three months against cash.
One, I stated you cannot trust Indians because they have a deceptive and a dishonest culture.
And that's not racist.
That's true.
Indians are very spiteful and petty.
They're very similar to Jewish culture.
They just don't have.
jordan holmes
Wait, what is happening?
elijah schaffer
Business acumen.
And that's why God love Israelis.
They love, you know, Jews because they're like sort of a brown or like a different colored version of the same kind of culture, like a caste system of superiority.
Now, obviously, not all Jews think like that.
Obviously, not all Indians think like that.
I don't mean all Indians are the same, but I have an African friend who told me that the hardest part about assimilating into the U.S. was the fact that in Africa, they tell you to lie.
dan friesen
Now, keep in mind, this is not racist.
He said it's not.
unidentified
So it's not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The hardest part about assimilating into the United States is that other cultures tell you you should lie to him.
Says a liar on Elijah.
jordan holmes
It's crazy how the one black person I know tells me that all black people lie to me.
dan friesen
It's their culture.
jordan holmes
It's their culture.
Yeah.
Wow, that is a barrage of racism.
dan friesen
Yeah, even for this show, I thought that was pretty surprising.
That is, it's unguarded.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can't just say, and that's not racist.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
At the very, I mean, man, back in, you know, I'm not a racist, but would be awful.
I didn't even know you could just say, that's also not racist.
dan friesen
After you have said something that is deeply deeply racist.
jordan holmes
All Indians are bad.
That's not racist.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
You can't trust Indians because they're sneaky.
Right.
This isn't racist.
jordan holmes
That's not racist.
You can't just, you can't just declare that, right?
That's not okay.
dan friesen
No.
But I thought it was interesting as a person.
Because as a person on his show, on Alex's show.
Because I think even like a Nick Fuentes is a little more careful.
Or when he's saying shit that's this racist, he tries to be funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this isn't funny.
jordan holmes
No, this is just all Indians are distrustful.
I mean, yeah, it's crazy.
dan friesen
And here's my sociological and scientific reason why it's cool for me to have this prejudice.
jordan holmes
You know, it is, it is like sometimes you just, you're just not connected into the racism world.
So you don't even know what kind of racism is out there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
You're like, I'm not even in the regular racism, the popular racism of like, you know, just American racism.
Black people are bad or whatever.
There's, there's like fucking bespoke racisms out there that I haven't even considered to be racist about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that's that's something that I was experiencing while I was listening to this episode is that Alex is not really that into this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it made me realize that he doesn't hate Indians that much.
jordan holmes
Like, I think there's not enough hours of the day for all this hate, man.
dan friesen
You know, he is a white identity guy.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But there's definitely like lower priority hate for him.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think like Indian folk, Asian people generally are on the low rungs of like who he's worried about.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I suppose that that does reinforce that whole familiarity breeds contempt kind of thing.
You know, like what he is racist about is his area in specific.
You know, it's geographic in a very distinct way.
dan friesen
Yeah, in his life, he is probably more prone to run into black people and Hispanic people.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And therefore, those are the larger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then I guess so much of the media around the last 20 years has been like deeply Islamophobic.
Yep.
And so, you know, a target on Muslims is kind of he's susceptible to that.
So yeah, you know, maybe he, maybe he doesn't really care about Asian and Indian people because he doesn't know that many or see that many.
I mean, folks around.
jordan holmes
I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong about this, but I feel like it takes a lot of effort to be really racist.
And there's a lot of people out there.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
And a lot of different cultures and traditions.
So, like, you just don't have the strength to be racist to everybody all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
And that's why Elijah is here holding up the thank God for him.
You know, like, we don't have time for the Indian people.
jordan holmes
I didn't even know to be there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he's got to represent.
jordan holmes
Thanks, buddy.
elijah schaffer
Now, I want to remind you that somebody else who got mad, Vivek Ramaswamy, the H-1B honey, honey queen.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, security.
elijah schaffer
I've sort of been one of the key figures that embarrassed him over his post about increasing H-1Bs.
When I went to go approach him at the RNC, his security physically grabbed me and threw me to the floor.
So they assaulted me without provocation, and he seemed to be happy about it and wouldn't take my questions.
I kept asking him, and he ignored them.
And there seems to be this really weird thing that I bring up of like Indians getting into power into, you know, whether it's like IBM or Dell or anywhere.
And then they fire all of the individuals who are individuals.
It's just a very, very, very strange situation.
alex jones
So am I going there, but just back to the suit?
elijah schaffer
Because no, but this is important because I'm saying he was mad about this.
jordan holmes
Is it important?
elijah schaffer
This went viral and I saw his proxies getting mad.
And there was this whole thing between him and Vivek.
I'm bringing this to the level.
alex jones
So you're saying you're saying it was a whole proxy suit.
I totally agree with you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
elijah schaffer
But I'm bringing up all the proxy issues.
So him and Vivek were mad about my opinions on Indians, right?
So this is like, like, I am bringing this here, Alex.
Just listen, I'm telling you.
jordan holmes
Just say that.
dan friesen
Alex, this is happening.
jordan holmes
Alex, I'm going to say a lot of mean things about India, a nation of so many fucking distinct people.
I'm going to say something bad about a billion people, most of whom cannot communicate with each other because there are so many fucking languages.
I am going to say something broad strokes about one seventh of the world.
dan friesen
Can't trust him.
jordan holmes
Can't trust him.
dan friesen
I think there's such a fun interplay in that clip of like, you know, Elijah being like, I want to talk about how I'm being attacked by the Indians.
And Alex being like, look, I'm fine if you want to do some racist stuff.
That's great.
But let's stay on this lawsuit here.
And him, Elijah's being like, no, no, no.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It is very important that I bring it all into focus.
unidentified
That India wants me dead.
jordan holmes
I imagine, right, that there has to be.
There has to be somebody out there for these people forever.
Like, there's got to be some white guy in the middle of fucking Nebraska right now who just really hates everybody from Kazakhstan.
He's just like, ah, I hate the Kazakhs or whatever.
dan friesen
Yeah, he saw Borat and thought it was real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just like, oh, and then one day some Kazakh immigrant will do something wrong and then, bam, it's my time to shine.
I'm the racist guy for InfoWars today, right?
Like, that's what this feels like.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Elijah Schaefer is a guy who's around.
Like, he exists.
Like, he's not here because Alex needed to call a racist.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
No, I understand.
dan friesen
He got sued by Kash Patel's girlfriend, and Alex wants to talk about his own plight.
And unfortunately, in doing so, he has welcomed a guy who seems to really be mad at Indians into the.
jordan holmes
What a whiff.
Let's just kind of talk shit about our continuing lawsuits.
Ah, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to hate Indian people at you for a while.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the reason that I'm having this lawsuit come at me isn't because of like an attack on free speech or any of that.
It's because I'm too critical of Indians.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So, Alex, I think, you know, like we've seen this a bunch whenever like Fuentes will come in, Alex will want to try and coach him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
To be like, okay, but come on.
jordan holmes
Right, where we're on.
Don't say the JQ.
We can say these things without saying them.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so I think he wants to try and get Elijah to calm down on how overtly racist this is.
jordan holmes
He's incredibly racist.
alex jones
He's using her to come at you, which just shows why is he spending his time on this?
And it's a big problem.
And I'm really concerned about it.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
No, but this is what I'm saying is that this is like, yeah, I wasn't trying to turn a sidetrack.
I'm saying this was a very sensitive, separate topic that I had embarrassed that I was talking about.
No, they're not sidetracked.
alex jones
I think it's a foregone conclusion.
That's just all about don't criticize Kash Patel.
I get it.
elijah schaffer
Correct.
But I think Vivek might be connected to it too, because Vivek was mad about this.
Cash was mad about this.
And obviously, I do say some inflammatory things, but then it's like now we can't criticize.
Now we have to accept Indians in our country and we can't criticize the public figures that are responsible.
And then also, I'm bringing this up because it's a very Indian thing to do to manipulate the system to just destroy people you think are less than you or are lower than you.
And I genuinely feel like there's a lot of aspects to this where it looks like it's Kash Patel.
alex jones
Sure, I'm not sure.
I mean, I would say it's a very human thing to do.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Listen, buddy.
We're not fitting you for a clan hood today.
What is happening?
dan friesen
When Alex has to respond, I think it's a very human thing to do.
You know, you have gone a little bit far past the line.
jordan holmes
Too racist for me.
The guy who's afraid of children wearing burqas in a pool supply store.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that there's an element of it that is like, it's unsophisticated racism.
Sure.
It's way too overt.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's not funny.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
And it's just kind of stupid.
And I think that Elijah also sounds stupid.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think that those are way, those are whether or not Alex would go along with that's a very Indian thing to do.
Like that kind of stuff.
Whether or not he would.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The boundaries, the hurdles to it are those things.
If it were funny, Alex would play along.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
If Elijah came off way smarter, like he knew his shit, Alex would probably be like, all right, whatever.
Or if Elijah was a hotter commodity in the right-wing media, like he's a bit player, and so he's not going to be able to pull this shit.
jordan holmes
He's not an entertaining enough racist.
You know, like there's there's plenty of ways to I mean, it is it is almost.
dan friesen
Got a big laugh out of you.
jordan holmes
Well, it is very funny, but only in the sense of like how stark and dry it is that you can't even like, boof.
Wow, you're just raw dogging it right out the gate.
Goddamn.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think what's almost like so funny about it is how, like this is not dissimilar from what you would see in educational contexts of like talking about the Civil Rights era and how racist people were like how free that kind of speech was.
Then it's like well, we have just regressed.
jordan holmes
I mean it's it is.
It is something that you can never communicate properly to racists right, but it is it like everything that he is saying.
I understand he believes that to be true in the moment, but I could take those words and remove Indian and put Irish in, or remove Irish and put Black in, exactly like you could say that at any different period in America's history about any that could.
That's a very catholic thing to do is what's available.
That's very protesting.
dan friesen
Then there is every possibility to use the exact same language in the exact same way, about whatever group you want to say yeah yep yep yep yep, and it's uh sad and to a level that is pretty funny yep um, so anyway, uh.
Elijah Schaefer has some other thoughts.
Yeah uh, not just about Indians, okay.
He also believes that the Trump administration has been compromised oh, and that they, they're done.
elijah schaffer
I believe that, and Alex is like, well, hold on now okay, and as a Trump supporter my entire life, it is hard for me to say the Trump administration is compromised.
I repeat, this is not a drill to the American people.
Thank you for repeating, the Trump administration is completely compromised and now they have turned their guns back on us and if you are a journalist who could have seen this coming, been credible and has helped the Trump admin.
But we're being honest with the public now that whatever money this was or whatever blackmail there may be on him, or even not even that the Epstein is blackmail maybe it's just embarrassed his friends or incriminated the wrong people and they threatened to kill him.
I don't know who could have seen this.
We cannot trust this administration.
They have turned on us just like Biden did when he said the biggest threat is from within.
We need to be aware that.
You know all.
alex jones
I don't know why 100 agree, but the direction is starting to go.
We got to put major pressure on him.
For course, correct a lot of Kennedys in there.
elijah schaffer
I don't know.
I mean listen.
I know you want to agree.
I'm saying it has been compromised.
I'm saying look the I don't know what else people.
unidentified
You're not getting invited, you're not coming back, hold over.
alex jones
Can you use more time with us?
elijah schaffer
Yeah yeah yeah, it's fine.
alex jones
I want to come back and talk about, can it be fixed, because I agree it's gone for real.
dan friesen
Can it be fixed?
The complete uh capitulation and compromising of the administration, can it be fixed?
I think that Alex is going to run into more and more people who aren't going to play along in the way that Elijah didn't there.
Yeah, it almost sounded like he wanted to say, come on man yeah, like what are you talking about?
jordan holmes
But what are we gonna do?
dan friesen
He literally said, what else do people need?
Yeah, what else do you need to see to to give up on this?
alex jones
I, I?
jordan holmes
I've asked myself that question plenty of times.
dan friesen
Yeah yep, so we got a little bit more of Uh Schaefer after the break.
jordan holmes
How is it possible that this guy is still going?
dan friesen
Well, because Alex wants not to end on this kind of a note.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
He wants to talk about some other stuff.
jordan holmes
I understand your criticisms.
Now, make it okay for me to ignore them completely and still support Trump.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
Like, maybe we should talk about whether or not Kash Patel can do a pull-up.
jordan holmes
There we go.
elijah schaffer
Even the lawsuit says I never said anything about her.
Do you know who I have said things that are critical of?
Do you know who I have?
Kash Patel.
I've been very critical of Kash Patel.
Very critical.
So is Kashmir.
alex jones
He's hiding behind her.
elijah schaffer
It doesn't look like it.
I would say this.
He is hiding behind her.
jordan holmes
It's very the Blaze thing to do.
elijah schaffer
It's a hard time for me to overstep and to assume that.
Well, this is a lawsuit of assumptions, Alex.
So there's without a shadow of a doubt.
Like I mentioned earlier, he was mad about the comments about him being Indian.
He was mad about the comments about Valhalla.
He was mad.
I had another viral tweet about him, you know, swearing by a demon, the Bagra Vita.
And he's mad about the cultural and the job.
This man is an embarrassment.
He can't even do a pull-up.
I don't know if you saw that video he released where he's trying to kip and he can't get his body up.
We have an FBI director who's struggling to pull his own body weight above a straight bar.
And that's a symbol for what's happening here.
What happens in corrupt regimes is when they fail, they don't just fail.
They try to take down everyone who points it out.
Because why?
alex jones
Well, let's point it out enough.
I'm not to be mean, but what's happening?
Kash Patel can't do pull-ups.
Let's do Mamdani needs two guys with 145 pounds.
elijah schaffer
Let me see.
Where's that?
alex jones
See, there's a whole bunch of pull-ups.
He's in good shape.
Ellie's at a 70-76 flag.
He's not bench pressing 500 like you, so it's okay.
elijah schaffer
This is Cash, right?
alex jones
Yep.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I was going to say.
Wait, did you see?
Did you see the pull-ups?
Did we play them already?
alex jones
Do the pull-ups again.
unidentified
Yeah, do the pull-ups.
elijah schaffer
Do the pull-ups again.
The pull-ups, I was going to say, watch this.
This is crazy.
I'm not dogging on somebody's, you know, I'm not a dog on other men, man.
We all struggle.
It's like, what are we doing?
The thing is, is like, you know, I'm wearing my Riff TV t-shirt, you know.
Like, he looked there.
I don't, like, that's like, I don't know what's going on here.
Like, no, I get it.
alex jones
You're saying they're not full pull-ups.
elijah schaffer
Well, yeah, they're not full pull-ups.
But, you know, it's like I'm sitting here.
I'm shredding right now.
You know me.
What?
You and I, for some reason, don't need anyone to tell us to do that.
alex jones
I will say this about it.
I'll just say they're not even beginning.
They're not even beginning pull-ups.
So my point is, and I was probably when I was 20, I could do 100 straight or maybe cheering in the gym.
I'm like, full rhythm, the point is now if I have to, I can do 20 in a row.
Oh, he almost kills me.
But the point is, is the race that if I couldn't do that, those aren't even half pull-ups.
I would not put that out.
dan friesen
I can't believe he released a video of himself doing not even half pull-ups.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I love having a good Bhagavad Gita reference.
dan friesen
Swore on a demon.
jordan holmes
You know, one of the great holy books juxtaposed next to, motherfucker can't do pull-ups.
dan friesen
Can't do a pull-up.
jordan holmes
Motherfucker can't do a pull-up.
dan friesen
Now you look at me, I'm shredding.
jordan holmes
Listen, we can talk about the Brahmin class all you want, but motherfucker can't do a pull-up.
dan friesen
Look at these 24-inch pythons.
jordan holmes
I mean, indigenous to India.
To then have this guy be like, listen, neither of us need a reason to take our shirts off really undercuts his racism.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it just seems dumb.
It's insane.
I wonder how many pull-ups Bernie can do.
unidentified
That fucking old asshole.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Actually, I swear to God.
I swear to God, I would put a lot of money on if we chose leaders via pull-up contest.
There's a better percentage of good leaders compared to the ones that we've had over the past 60 years.
dan friesen
Trump can do so many pull-ups.
So many.
He wears a lot of coats, so you don't see his upper body.
jordan holmes
Let's go.
Let's re-litigate some pressed presidential elections via pull-ups.
dan friesen
I think Obama is winning both of the ones that he ran.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
I think Hillary probably out.
jordan holmes
I say Howard Dean winds up pulling that one out.
dan friesen
Okay, if you will.
We're also doing primaries by pull-ups.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, I guess forget about it.
That's tough.
That's tough.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So McCain Obama.
jordan holmes
Right.
Bush beats.
dan friesen
I don't know if Bush would beat Gore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, Gore's not a pull-up guy, but Bush and Carey are both former military men.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You know, they've both put in some.
I mean, not Bush, obviously, but.
dan friesen
Oh, but here's the twist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Lieberman beats Cheney.
jordan holmes
That's the one that does it.
That's the one that does it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he never.
We've got the tiebreakers of vice presidential pull-ups.
dan friesen
Yeah, because I think Al Gore and Bush would be pretty closely matched.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But Cheney's fucked.
Yeah.
So then we.
So he wins 2000.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
2004 never happens the way it does.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
So then we can't predict any elections by pull-ups after that.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, right.
That was the final pull-up contest.
dan friesen
Clinton beats Dole for sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, there is 0% chance Dole wins the pull-up.
He's going to go one-arm pull-up.
If he wins a pull-up contest, he deserves to be president.
I would vote the shit out of Bob Dole if he could win a pull-up contest.
dan friesen
But I think Bush Sr. might have beat Clinton, especially around 92.
Clinton was way out of shape.
jordan holmes
He was out of shape.
That was part of his thing, is that he was trying to run more to get back into shape.
But he was doing that.
But HW is not an in-the-field guy.
HW is a desk jackie.
dan friesen
No, but I think it would probably take two or three for him to win the pull-up contest.
That's fair.
I think he's capable of that.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
But let's ask ourselves this very serious question.
What amount of pull-ups can Ronald Reagan do every year of his presidency?
dan friesen
I think second election, he's in trouble.
jordan holmes
Yeah, second election is negative four.
Like second election, he doesn't know where the bar is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't I I mean, this is always going to be a lot more fun than dealing with the fact that the other part of this conversation is a guy being like, that's a very Indian thing to do.
dan friesen
And that Indian can't even do pull-ups.
jordan holmes
Right?
Water?
What is happening?
dan friesen
You know who's really good?
unidentified
Goldwater.
Goldwater.
dan friesen
Goldwater would have.
jordan holmes
Goldwater would have.
Yeah, Goldwater would have changed the game.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So we won the last clip of this Elijah Schaefer.
She's like, how did Kash Patel get a hot girlfriend?
elijah schaffer
You know, I got a beautiful wife, got very good, whatever.
It's like, look, I'm shredded.
You know, it's like, you can see my abs at the very least.
And I got, you know, got striations.
And I only bring this up because it's like, I don't even, like, I'll put up some videos every once in a while.
But it's like, look, man, people have questions about you, Cash.
You know, you're a short little guy with crazy eyes.
jordan holmes
No striations.
elijah schaffer
You're all up.
And you're posting videos to overcompensate about you working out.
People want to know how you got a girl 20 years younger than you who's hot.
And look, I don't comment that girls are hot that are random people's girlfriends, but she's a public figure.
You can say a public figure is hot.
Alexis Wilkins is an attractive girl.
jordan holmes
That's not racism.
elijah schaffer
What does she see in him?
dan friesen
Well.
You're dealing with something, man.
It's not what you think.
jordan holmes
This happened.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I got a wife and I'm shredded.
How'd he get a girl so young and hot?
jordan holmes
It is hard to listen to that part of the conversation and not think maybe this guy is transposing some of his feelings in other political areas.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like that could be a piece of it.
And I also think that when you listen to this kind of like childish, immature shit about like, how are you getting a hot girlfriend?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like you hear that and you're like, oh, that's the same brain that's saying this is an Indian thing to do.
Yep.
They come from the same place, this same stunted development and immaturity.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And so I think that's very, very funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I agree with you that I would be surprised if Alex really wants to spend that much more time with him.
I don't think their vibes match.
jordan holmes
His vibe sucks.
I don't like hearing him talk somehow more than a lot of other people.
dan friesen
Now, that's bad news because it makes me want to do an episode about him to try and give you superpower.
jordan holmes
I mean, I am.
There are some things that interest me about this guy.
I am interested in a guy who is really into striations.
Sure.
Anybody who's got an opinion on striations and also global international politics, I'm interested in.
dan friesen
And gets really defensive about how, like, yeah, Kash Patel's girlfriend's hot, man.
I could say she's hot.
What the fuck?
I don't say people are.
jordan holmes
Where are we?
What is happening that you are doing this?
dan friesen
School, baby.
jordan holmes
All of this insecurity.
This is one of the more insecure people that you could hear, right?
dan friesen
It's painful.
jordan holmes
And he has absolutely no concept of this.
He can't possibly understand what level of insecurity he's operating on.
dan friesen
No, and I would argue that it's probable that he thinks he's the opposite.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, for sure.
He thinks that Kash Patel must be the insecure one.
That's why.
Weak little cuck.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Talking about Valhalla.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Such an Indian thing to do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Putting up a video of doing poor pull-ups is a sign of your insecurity.
Whereas me saying that I am shredding and filled with striations and I don't understand why he gets a hot girlfriend is not insecurity.
You can see the difference, right?
Right.
Yeah.
Completely different.
Yeah.
unidentified
What a loser.
dan friesen
I'm going to do that.
I'm spicy.
I'm going to do an episode about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Fuck this guy.
No, fuck you.
dan friesen
I wonder.
That's one of the things that I can never really know without peeking.
Yeah.
Is like, is this just because he's on an interview with Alex that he sounds this fucking stupid?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What would he do with his own time?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, the mind reels.
jordan holmes
So I can't imagine somebody wanting to go to him with this level of insecure energy.
You know what I mean?
Like, I could see him being able to be on his own show and like in control of saying stuff.
And then he gets invited on to stuff like InfoWars, where it's revealed that he's a giant insecure loser, right?
But I can't imagine somebody wanting to be a guest on his show and then them having a conversation where they're not suddenly like, you're a giant insecure loser.
I got to get out of here.
dan friesen
I kind of would like to go on his show and just be like, you're all right.
jordan holmes
You're right, buddy.
Buddy.
dan friesen
Are you hurting?
jordan holmes
Buddy.
dan friesen
What's going on?
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
There is so much of like the, it's how to describe the lack of just regular maturity.
You know, like, there's no, there's so many conversations about a lack of masculinity or the lack of masculine role models or the lack of all of this stuff.
But it's just like, why can't we just get a regular baseline for maturity?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Irregardless.
And, you know.
dan friesen
And let me be totally clear.
Neither you nor I are super mature.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
There is a lot of immaturity in our lives.
jordan holmes
I chose this.
I'm a clown.
Right.
dan friesen
It's not like everyone has to be like stuffy adults and not laugh at farts or whatever.
No, But it's notable how immature this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's fun to be playful and flirty with immaturity.
dan friesen
Playful immaturity is good.
Immaturity that creates systems where you like try to hurt other people.
jordan holmes
Immaturity has no part of systems.
Immaturity shouldn't be anywhere near systems.
Immaturity can't even handle solo, let alone a group.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, I don't know.
I think this is a good way to deal with the Epstein emails coming out.
And I guess we'll see how Alex continues to deal with even further revelations that may be tough.
jordan holmes
You just got to get a more extreme racist on every, like, oh, man, I forgot about the Epstein emails immediately after this guy said some shit.
dan friesen
Stefan Mullinu right back.
jordan holmes
Whoa.
dan friesen
But I don't think that it was intentional.
That's the thing that makes it even more funny.
I don't think that Alex had any idea that Schaefer was going to go off into this territory.
jordan holmes
Oh, could you?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't think he was thrilled with it.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
So wild.
Anywho, we'll be back with another episode.
But until then, we have websites.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
alex jones
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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