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#982: November 15, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to see how things are going for Alex the day after the Onion was announced as the winner of the auction for his company.  The day involves some light felony accusations, and culminates with a triumphant return to the Infowars studio.

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alex jones
18:12
d
dan friesen
40:53
j
jordan holmes
20:42
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michael flynn
00:19
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship with the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot today is tennis.
dan friesen
Tennis.
jordan holmes
Is the tennis finals.
ATP finals.
Yannick Sinner versus Taylor Fritz.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
Yannick Sinner is just...
Out of this world right now.
He's absolutely destroying everybody left and right.
dan friesen
This is a new name for us because it's kind of silly and I think I would remember it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's an Italian.
So right now, atop the sport are him and Carlos Alcaraz.
And they're awesome to have atop the sport together because they play in such a way like, Yannick makes you look bad.
Like, he hits the ball harder than you.
He makes you look like a smaller person than you are.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
It is embarrassing.
But Carlos makes himself look good.
Like, he does all kinds of fun...
dan friesen
Does he make you look good, though?
jordan holmes
You know, if you hit a good shot, he makes himself look so much better by, like, doing something pretty.
dan friesen
But it doesn't humiliate you in the process.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Where's this Italian fellow?
jordan holmes
You don't even get the chance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You would love to play tennis with this guy, but it's already...
dan friesen
So he's like the wrestling equivalent of a squash match.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Where it's just like, you're a job guy, you don't get any offense in, fuck you, I'm a beast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and then whenever he plays Carlos, Carlos is the only person who can be pretty enough to defeat his force.
dan friesen
It's a David and Goliath kind of thing.
jordan holmes
No, just two platonic ideals of a philosophy in...
Contest with each other.
And trapped in a situation where one wins as much as the other.
dan friesen
The poetry of sport.
jordan holmes
It's fascinating.
dan friesen
Well, I'm glad.
I'm glad you're enjoying it.
I'm glad these new folks are coming in to fill the spots.
They're doing a great job.
Emptied by the retirees like Agassi and Sampras.
jordan holmes
Sampras has been gone for a while.
Michael Chang, he's calling it quits.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
McEnroe.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
My bright spot is...
I'm going on vacation.
jordan holmes
Indeed you are!
dan friesen
Yep.
We've been doing this show for a long time, and I take very few vacations, and so I'm going to.
And we've got some episodes that we've pre-recorded, so they'll be coming out.
Strange timing, given that all this nonsense is going on with Alex.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
But I think that actually this episode that we're going to record is a solid argument for why...
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
Alex should be put on a break anyway.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so maybe it is the perfect time.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
But given that we just had the election and Alex's auction and we're coming up on eight years of the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's maybe time for a little battery recharge.
jordan holmes
I think it's great.
I think the funniest part is the first time Trump was elected, I left the country.
Second time, you're out of here.
dan friesen
Yep.
I love it.
History rhymes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, something like that.
dan friesen
So we've got an episode to go over today, Jordan.
We're going to be talking about the November 15th, 2024.
This is the day after it came out that the Onion had...
jordan holmes
Right.
Jesus Christ.
What a day.
Woo!
dan friesen
What a rollercoaster.
So we'll get down to business on all this, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Sammy the Space Corgi, engineer of the Star Cruiser, Halcyon.
Thank you so much for now, Halcyon.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, this is all caps, so pretend I'm yelling it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt, and my butt smells, and I like to kiss my own butt.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, thank you to all the Brooklyn Live Show wonks who donated to and shared the fund for my partner's top surgery.
The procedure went well, and he's healing on schedule.
You changed our lives, and we couldn't be more grateful.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I feel like that is...
Too nice and awesome coming off I Kiss My Own Butt.
jordan holmes
I think it's...
dan friesen
The juxtaposition of those two.
jordan holmes
No, it was really important to me that I do that.
Otherwise, we're going to be lost in a headspace.
dan friesen
For just a little bit of a peek behind the curtain, if you want a shout-out, you can email knowledgefight at gmail.com.
Jordan compiles them, and I'm cold reading them.
So that was a joke.
That was jarring, yeah.
So we also had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Natalie.
After 10 years, I'm still Donkey Kong, King Kong crazy about you.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, we're going to jump right in here on the 15th.
That's Friday.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And here's where Alex is at.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday, November 15th, 2024.
I am your host, Alex Jones.
And right before I went live, I received some incredible information.
And this information is a lot bigger than me.
It's a lot bigger than you.
It's about all of us.
And it's just incredibly over-the-top incredible and amazing and devastating to the establishment.
I'm coming to you from the backup studios at the Alex Jones Network.
It is 11.09 Central Standard Time.
And literally as I was going live on air, that's why we had some confusion, I had to take some phone calls and confirm some things that have now transpired.
We already knew a lot of it yesterday.
We learned a lot more once I got off air last night.
And then this morning, there has been a lot of activity.
And you can see the headlines on Real Alex Jones at X. You can see the headlines at the Alex Jones network on X. But if I can just do an overhead shot, and I had wanted to show the headline that was in there from Bloomberg.
Here it is for you.
Angry Judge orders transparency.
Angry Judge questions transparency of OnionBid for Infowars.
dan friesen
So last we left off, Alex was in studio, desperate for someone to drag him out so he could make a scene and fulfill his Colonel Travis fantasies, but no one did.
Eventually, when he realized that there wasn't any good content coming, he went over to the new studio, which he totally doesn't own, and started complaining over there.
In the time since, the federal bankruptcy judge in Alex's case, Christopher Lopez, put the process of the sale on hold, calling for a hearing to get to the bottom of what happened.
Alex alleges hijinks and conspiracy, and for some reason, everyone in official positions feels the need to take his claim seriously.
Since our last episode, there's been some reporting on the bidding process, and as it turns out, there were only two bidders even in the running on the day of the auction.
There was The Onion, and then there was a group that was on Alex's side, and for all intents and purposes, may as well have just been Alex.
The group that was just Alex in disguise is a company called First United American Companies LLC, who seemed to only exist in order to run a website called ShopAlexJones.com.
The first thing you might notice about the name is the First United part, which is a naming convention of churches.
It's a very interesting piece of an otherwise incredibly bland and stupid name.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
The physical address listed on Shop Alex Jones, that website, is in Florida.
But I can't find any listings with the Secretary of State that this is a business registered there, either as an entity name or as a doing business as alias.
The same is true of First United American Companies, LLC.
The address on the site is a UPS store, so obviously that's a dummy location for receiving mail, not an actual brick-and-mortar business location.
The business itself seems to be operated out of Texas, because it's the shop Alex Jones, you know, so I would assume they would be registered to do business there, but again, I can't find any records that reflect First United American Companies or shopalexjones.com on the Secretary of State of Texas' website.
I'm not the best at forensically going through business records, so I kind of hit a dead end, but my suspicion here is that it's all related to Bigly, the company that runs the Alex Jones store.
My guess is that pretty much this is all at the root of this, and all of that...
Is powered through Shopify, which is a publicly traded company that probably doesn't want to be a part of a very transparent effort to evade a high-profile bankruptcy settlement involving causing emotional distress to grieving family members.
So maybe they should shut this shit down.
Maybe they don't want to be involved with this, Shopify.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, hey.
Anybody wanting to step up, feel free at any time.
I feel like there's a vacuum available for the first person with any authority to be like, uh, no!
dan friesen
Shopify does seem like a place where there's, like, a pressure point.
Because if those stores are not able to run through Shopify, all of that infrastructure and everything falls apart.
And Alex, I don't think, has another option of, well, maybe there would be, but it doesn't exist at the present.
jordan holmes
Conservify, the Nazi version of Shopify.
dan friesen
Probably doesn't have as good a processing and reliability.
That's why they use Shopify.
jordan holmes
They only use Bitcoin.
dan friesen
In looking through some business records, I also came across the Secretary of State's filing for Alex Jones Network LLC, which is a totally different company from Alex's Infowars.
He doesn't own it or anything.
jordan holmes
Not at all related to him.
In fact, I don't even know who Alex Jones is.
dan friesen
Incidentally, the Alex Jones Network was filed as a business on September 15, 2024, and the only person in the filing is the managing member...
Chase Brendan Geyser.
jordan holmes
How about that?
dan friesen
That's right.
Chase's middle name is Brendan, because of course it is.
jordan holmes
Because of course it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if you're keeping score, Alex's new network is owned and managed by his most sycophantic employee, his new pill operation sponsor is run by his dad and his brother-in-law, and his merch store is run by his knife guy who should probably be going to jail for assaulting a cop on January 6th.
This is all, like, comedic levels of obviously corrupt, and if there's no consequences for any of this, I'm gonna fuck around and turn into the Riddler.
As it turns out, this very real company, First United American Companies, put in the highest bid in terms of a cash offer.
They bid $3.5 million, which makes me furious.
If I knew it was going to be that low, I still don't think I could have raised the money, but I would have tried.
I thought it was going to be in the low eight figures, but I guess that very few people are actually interested in Alex's business.
It only has value to his co-conspirators or to a business like The Onion who want to buy it as a pseudo joke.
Though they put in the highest cash bid, the trustee is not required to accept the highest bid in cash, but is required by a fiduciary duty to accept what is in their judgment the best bid for the credit.
In this case, some of the Connecticut plaintiffs decided to waive portions of their settlements, which This is a deal that the trustee can very easily justify accepting, and I don't think it'll have any problem...
If it gets heard in court.
But it's perfect for a little bit of time-wasting and narrative-building, so we see that this is how Alex is going to proceed.
But, like, I think you could make a pretty solid argument that, like, you'd have a responsibility to accept this offer even though the other one is higher in cash.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
I mean...
dan friesen
Even just from a pure financial standpoint.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
I...
Why would anybody apply things that make sense to what has occurred?
Has it worked in the past?
dan friesen
I don't know.
That's all I can do, though.
jordan holmes
If a knife cannot cut a watermelon, is it a knife?
Then what's the point of using it to try and cut a watermelon?
dan friesen
Have you ever seen that knife crafting show?
The show where they make knives?
jordan holmes
Forged in fire?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
I think so, I have.
dan friesen
I think they will have you chop something, and some knives cut, some don't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
But it's still a knife.
jordan holmes
If the knife cuts, then it is a useful tool in this regard.
dan friesen
But if it breaks, it's still a knife.
jordan holmes
It is still a knife, but it is not useful in this regard.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
So in this sense, I imagine that applying reason, logic, and in fact, maybe the actual interpretation of the law, normally a very useful tool, an extremely sharp knife, appears to have no effect on watermelons these days.
So Lord knows what could happen.
I allow for the possibility of literal angels in the outfield to carry the judge to a place where he can say whatever he wants.
dan friesen
It may happen.
Yeah.
And, you know, hey, far be it from me, I've been wrong about pretty much every prediction I've made, so, like, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Angels in the Outfield because I'm comfortable being wrong about that one.
dan friesen
So one thing that I think might happen, but also maybe not, is that Alex is probably trying to get himself in trouble with defaming the trustee.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
Because he is straight up accusing this dude of crimes.
alex jones
Great.
So now...
The documents have been turned over by the U.S. trustee from the Justice Department of what they actually did, and it's way worse than what is even in the news.
And I just started learning this at 7.45 this morning, and I've been just going over all of this.
And quite frankly, I am basically speechless right now.
I've also basically been authorized that, yes, what I'm saying is completely accurate, on its face, on the record.
And what is that?
What was done is cut and dry, absolutely criminal in every aspect.
And then, right before I went live on air, A few minutes before, I got the news, and I got it from very good sources.
I double-checked it, and anytime you're in a new studio that you haven't been using, you know, it's a nice studio and works well, there's issues and new crews working together, same old crew, but mixed in, and there was little issues.
jordan holmes
You're mad at the new crew?
alex jones
I get really ready to launch before I go on air.
And it's like a thought process starts going.
And if there's one screw-up at the start, I can handle it.
Two, three, four, five, it starts getting to me.
And I'm not mad.
I'm just not at a place to be able to do the show right now.
And I'm just being honest with the viewers and listeners.
I'm going to have to get my composure, and I'm going to have to relaunch the live show.
dan friesen
Day one at the new studio.
jordan holmes
I mean, it makes sense!
It is day one.
Things are not going to go perfectly.
unidentified
It's day one.
dan friesen
But they went exactly like they do on day 1,000 million.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Still going to be furious about something not going right and have to restart the show.
unidentified
Take the day off, for God's sakes.
dan friesen
Also, the U.S. trustee, Chris Murphy, he needs to sue Alex.
Alex is directly accusing him of committing crimes within the context of accepting this bid, which is defamatory.
It has the potential to severely impact Murphy's public image and professional credibility, and if Alex can't back up his claims, he needs to be held responsible for this.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
I hate to say it, but if I was Alex, I would defame the shit out of everybody.
What are you going to do to me?
unidentified
I would defame the shit out of people.
dan friesen
I would understand that in his position, but that is a situation where if everyone starts taking it very seriously, then you will not be able to operate this smoothly.
jordan holmes
I'm sure.
dan friesen
There will come a time if people stand up.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, totally.
I'm just saying that if I was Alex, I would just bet that you wouldn't.
You know, like, I'm going to win most of the time.
dan friesen
If he gets buried under a barrage of people being like, I demand a retraction and an apology for this.
Here's my lawyer.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
If he did...
Then his time would be spent on air making these retractions, clarifying things.
People would see through a lot of this facade, even if it doesn't end up bankrupting him through settlements and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
There would be, well...
We'll see by the end of this what you think.
jordan holmes
I mean, maybe.
I don't know anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that by the end of this episode, you might get a little bit of a sense that this could work.
jordan holmes
I'm excited then.
dan friesen
Because Alex changes his tune considerably.
jordan holmes
I'm excited.
dan friesen
So he has some big news, but like he said, he's got to go off air.
Sure.
Something's not working out.
God's telling him to go off air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
This is historic what's happened.
I've not announced what's happened yet, what has been discovered.
And I was almost not going to cover it right away so I could think about it some.
And then that must have been God telling me when everything that we did just wouldn't even go out over air.
So I'm not meant to be on air right now.
That's God.
Actually, that's God telling me that I shouldn't do the show right now.
And that's what's going to happen now.
So we've got really important information and news while I'm reflecting.
Might be five minutes.
I might not come back on today.
That's just where we are.
unidentified
So...
alex jones
I am trying my best here.
dan friesen
You're doing good, man.
You're doing good.
jordan holmes
This raises an interesting question.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
I have for symbolism from God, all right?
So God turns off the lights, right?
And you go, well, God doesn't want me to have lights today.
dan friesen
Obviously.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
That makes sense.
Now, my question is, is that a sign that you should listen to, right, that can be then, like, he can turn the lights back on, but you still go, I'm not supposed to have lights on today.
Or is God determining the exact length that you can and cannot have lights on?
dan friesen
I think that if you follow this train of thought too much...
You can't do anything.
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
You can't really do...
Everything is exactly as God wants it to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So you turning on the lights is corrupting how he wants you to be in the darkness.
jordan holmes
It makes sense.
dan friesen
So if Alex were to fix the problems with the broadcast...
jordan holmes
That's what I think!
dan friesen
...then he is subverting God's will.
jordan holmes
That is what I believe, yes.
dan friesen
Which really, at a certain point, all you can do is sit in a room, I guess.
jordan holmes
I think God is telling Alex to sit in a room quietly.
dan friesen
Everything in its natural state, devoid of any influence from you.
jordan holmes
Is quiet in a room.
dan friesen
That's what God wants.
And if God doesn't want that, he'll change it.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like that you've discovered inertia through God.
dan friesen
So Alex does go off air for a little bit.
Then he comes back and he has some big news.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Again, the Bloomberg headline people think is shocking.
Because I said this while the hearing was going on yesterday.
Angry judge questions transparency of Onion bid for InfoWars.
No, he said the auction wasn't real and didn't happen.
jordan holmes
I'd think for him to say.
alex jones
The Onion's InfoWars takeover to review bankruptcy auction process.
dan friesen
There is no spoon!
alex jones
You have to understand, that's not even the big news.
That would normally be the big news.
The Onion didn't buy InfoWars Wednesday.
They didn't have an auction.
They didn't pay money.
unidentified
They were giving it.
alex jones
It was a sham.
On its face.
Prima facie.
But that's not even the big news.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
These aren't even the big news.
He's got big news and these aren't even them.
He's covering the not big news.
jordan holmes
Alright.
So here's what I'm thinking.
Here's what I'm thinking was the mistake.
You gotta pre...
You gotta prenup.
Okay?
So like...
If we're going to do this process, I get that the trustee and the courts and all of them have a way they do this thing.
But what you've got to do is preen up with Alex and be like, you tell me the exact circumstances under which you will not...
You'll just shut the fuck up!
At the end of this process, I don't care what they are.
Fucking you make them.
Clown cars, I don't give a shit.
At the end of it, you will shut up, won't you?
And they'll write it down that you have to shut up.
dan friesen
But there won't be something.
jordan holmes
Right, but then whenever they don't shut up at the end of it, we don't even have to have a hearing or anything.
They just go like, ah, ha ha, shut up.
We have the shut up paper.
It's like a deal with the devil.
dan friesen
But there is no terms that Alex is going to agree to that'll be like, and then I'll shut up.
jordan holmes
That's the answer to your own question, then.
If he's not going to agree to any terms, then there's no point in bothering with terms!
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Just call him out on it.
Either sign the document that you're willing to take responsibility for this process, or you don't get the process.
It's a sweetheart deal just for Alex.
I'm the devil.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I figured it out.
I think I am the devil.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
You're making a compelling case.
jordan holmes
I think I've got it.
dan friesen
Have you been showing Alex clocks lately?
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now, people say that that's wrong.
dan friesen
Alright?
jordan holmes
To mess with his head like that and to tell him what time it is in the middle of the night.
And then tell him it's God telling him that.
dan friesen
And then tell him when to stop peeing.
jordan holmes
That's what I just find fun.
dan friesen
We gotta get through how we get through.
So those aren't the big stories.
That's not the big news.
Real pump fake kind of...
So here's the big news.
alex jones
There's really three big stories I'm about to break that affect everybody.
And the first one is Trump's taking the gloves off.
Elon Musk has taken the gloves off.
jordan holmes
Dog bites man.
alex jones
And the other two are about what has been discovered and what has happened and what has already been done about 25 minutes ago.
jordan holmes
Man bites dog.
alex jones
Now, I told the bad guys yesterday, and I put up videos last night before this was 100% confirmed.
I mean, the corruption, that there wasn't an auction, that it was bid collusion, felonies, all that just opened and shut, done.
Red-handed.
Rats leaving a sinking ship, turning on each other.
That happened today.
dan friesen
So he's definitely accusing some crimes there.
But I like that what happened 25 minutes ago is a real, you've already ingested the poison, Mr. Bond.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it quite a bit.
dan friesen
I've already hit the doomsday switch.
jordan holmes
The antidote is right here.
Now give me the diamond.
dan friesen
So the three big stories are Alex whining about his own persecution a bunch and him saying that his big strong father figures, Trump and Musk, are once again taking the gloves off.
Seems like these gloves keep on coming off.
jordan holmes
So weird.
Why bother putting them back on all the time?
dan friesen
I would love it if one day Alex was like, alright, here's the big news.
Trump's putting the gloves back on.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Because they have to be getting put back on.
jordan holmes
I'm saying there should be a constant glovometer of how on or off the gloves are at any given point in time.
dan friesen
Like a color-coded terror meter.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Do we have a single Michael Jackson glove scenario?
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Mittens.
We got mittens.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
The nuclear codes are open.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We got fingerless biker gloves.
jordan holmes
Threat-level workout gloves.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
That's serious.
So, like, in terms of the vote collusion thing that Alex is talking about, that he's accusing the other side of, I was thinking about this a little bit, and I wanted to play a little moment from our last episode when Alex called Steve Bannon out of the blue.
Just listen to this little section again.
unidentified
Dude, what the fuck is this story here?
alex jones
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Steve!
dan friesen
So, I pointed out last time that what the fuck is the story that could have a lot of different meanings, and that it was too bad that Alex cut Bannon off.
Alex was clearly trying to make sure that Bannon didn't say anything that he shouldn't say on air, thinking they were just on the phone, but I think Alex was too late.
If you really listen to that clip carefully, as I did over and over again, just before and while Alex is cutting him off, Bannon says, I thought Roger before Alex drowns him out.
Bannon was saying that he thought Roger was buying InfoWars, and he clearly knows that Alex has information about what the fuck the story is.
Bannon's tone in that moment belies that he knows that Alex knows about the bids.
If Alex hadn't cut him off and told him they were on the air, there's a good chance Bannon would have said something even more damning.
For Alex's whole pretense that he's putting on of being uninvolved.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there's...
jordan holmes
I mean, he might as well have been like, I thought when we talked about this, Roger was going to purchase InfoWars using the money that you gave him that you're not supposed to have, so you can continue owning the thing that you're not supposed to own.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He might as well have said that.
dan friesen
Now, I think it would be really funny if Roger had ended up buying InfoWars and then being like, joke's over, dude.
I got you on a contract.
Fuck off.
I'm your boss now.
jordan holmes
Now it's time to really buckle down and get to work.
dan friesen
Right.
There's like a kind of like sound or whatever and Roger puts on a top hat and he's like, now I'm in my supervillain form.
jordan holmes
Finally.
Get to monocle out.
dan friesen
So nice to meet you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, did you know that I've been bored recently?
dan friesen
Did you take me seriously, Alex?
I also think it would be really funny, since Chase Geiser kind of owns Alex Jones' network, if he just decided to be like, fuck you, Alex.
I'm your boss now.
jordan holmes
You have put my name in official documents, which you think...
Still does not make them official, but I can choose to make them official.
That's how official works.
You have given me the keys to your car.
dan friesen
You cannot own this company legally.
And that's why you used me on this document.
And now I have leverage over you.
jordan holmes
And your real threat to me is twofold.
It is either you can fire me, which, no you cannot.
Or you can hurt me, which is against the law.
In a real way, as opposed to the other ones that we've been dealing with.
dan friesen
Alex has got to be real comfortable that Chase is a real dipshit.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And on board for him to go.
Why not use Rob Dew?
There's a whole lot of other people that are just as closely associated with Alex that you'd think he trusts more.
Very weird.
jordan holmes
If, as people theorized way back when we first met...
Brendan, which is what I'm going to call him, that he was somehow a double agent.
Owning one of the major money-making operations and still allowing Alex to have it kind of turns all that to shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know what the reveal would be.
jordan holmes
I own all of your stuff and I'm burning it, or like the Joker, I'm burning the bottom half of the pile of money.
dan friesen
But I don't know what you could be waiting for.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a fair point.
dan friesen
At this point.
jordan holmes
No, no, exactly.
Oh, no, yeah.
Yeah, you're totally right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the night before this, they had something of a hearing, and Alex has heard that there's a criminal investigation that's been opened about...
The steal.
They stole his company from him.
jordan holmes
The steal?
dan friesen
The fake auction.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
alex jones
Then the hearing happens.
Goes on for a couple hours.
My lawyers, other lawyers, Musk lawyers, they're all there.
We need time to go over the transcripts, look at this to make sure what we saw actually happened.
Then Murray gives the documents to the highest bidder, which he's supposed to do by law, finally.
They actually get what he did.
Pledging my future earnings.
Those cases are in appeals.
You can't pledge somebody's earnings if you've won the case.
The Supreme Court said Jones is, you know, liable.
That hasn't happened.
But you can't pledge that.
In 13th Amendment, a bunch of other laws.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
And we learn at 8 o 'clock at night just how bad it was.
Then I learn from individuals.
High up.
Multiple sources that there's major interest in this by President Trump and by Elon Musk.
Then my lawyers start getting calls and other lawyers start getting calls from the media saying they hear this and that there is a criminal investigation of this already going on by the federal government in Houston.
Then I get more calls this morning.
unidentified
And the people People involved have now reached out and said, we didn't know this was illegal.
alex jones
We were told to do this.
We'll give you everything.
We don't want to go to prison.
unidentified
Fun.
Fun.
alex jones
Then I get the call.
That the judge could do an emergency hearing now today.
And a lot more I'm not going to get into yet.
And then three minutes before we go live.
This has been going on for hours.
I hadn't been told because people are busy.
The U.S. trustee Chris Murray calls and says, look, I made a mistake.
We shouldn't have shut down InfoWars.
We shouldn't have turned off the broadcast.
The judge said I didn't have the authority.
You can go back to your studios.
We're putting InfoWars back up.
Now let's put it on screen.
InfoWars.com is back up live.
If that isn't proof, everybody, what I'm saying here, there it is.
dan friesen
It's not proof of that.
So we now have the trustee has called and apologized and said, we made a mistake.
Oh, no.
Alex has people calling and being like, oh, we'll give you everything.
We're flipped.
Oh, no.
Who are those people who have flipped and are going to tell him everything?
alex jones
They just don't want to go to prison.
dan friesen
Who are those people?
If not, he's trying to imply that it's the trustee.
jordan holmes
I feel like...
I am more than aware that the prisons are overpopulated.
However, I'm also fairly certain they are not overpopulated with trustee-related offenses.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, probably not.
Also, the trustee didn't do anything...
Bad in this case.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Well, we don't know that yet until there's been a criminal investigation by Elon Musk.
dan friesen
That is true.
Yes.
The federal government that is not under the control of Trump yet is going to get to the bottom of this on Alex's behalf because Trump won the election.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
And, Alex, when he has to present something that justifies this idea that there's a criminal investigation, it's a guest on Steve Bannon's podcast saying there should be.
jordan holmes
Hey, there you go.
dan friesen
That's what that comes down to.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
So, cool.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's an interesting thought process, alright?
So, you're President Trump.
You've got all the Republicans that you need to do the stuff.
Can you pitch a flyer where you allow Alex Jones to rewrite laws about Alex Jones?
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
So Alex gets to write all Alex-specific laws that only apply to him.
Like in the bankruptcy process, Alex Jones gets to keep all Alex Jones-related Alex Jones materials because Alex Jones blank.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I feel like...
The history has shown that he is a colossal asshole.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
And maybe on a level that no one has ever dealt with or we're not accustomed to seeing.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So, maybe what you do is you say, alright, you get to make up your own rules, but none of it sets a precedent.
jordan holmes
Right!
Right, it's just you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You have a weird get-out-of-jail-free card.
dan friesen
But it doesn't apply to other people.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Like, whatever ends up happening in the courts, other people might still get into it.
You are just like, we have to pretend that your reality is real.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Or else you're gonna bother us.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
There's like a force field around you of like, you have the Black Diamond Law card.
People just don't fuck with you anymore.
They're just like, fine.
dan friesen
I feel like Trump could do that.
jordan holmes
That'd be an interesting thought experiment.
dan friesen
But he might not.
jordan holmes
Which is the danger.
dan friesen
Because Alex apparently got a little bit chewed out on the morning of the 15th by Trump and Musk.
Apparently they are upset that he got bought by the onion.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
alex jones
And I'm not going to say any more.
But let's just say Trump and Elon Musk have already met about this.
And.
unidentified
Amen.
Thank you.
Thank you.
alex jones
I got chewed out, actually, yesterday morning.
Because they didn't understand exactly what was going on.
And they, you know, nice folks were, say, behind the scenes, you know, some folks were like, what do you need?
And I'd already told them, I said, this is all rigged, and I'm not going to, you know, I said, it should be better if you want to help launch this big network and stuff, which we're ready to do.
Let's just wait.
And let's let this process play out.
I said, I've got a gut feeling they're going to bite out more than they can chew.
And so the big dogs did not enter this.
dan friesen
So if you're understanding what Alex is claiming about himself here, he rigged the auction.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He told people not to bid.
Someone like an Elon Musk or a representative of Elon Musk, don't bid on this.
Put the money into the business that I'm creating.
I feel like it might be illegal.
jordan holmes
I mean, sure.
My question is, alright, so these people are chewing Alex out.
Why?
My question is why?
dan friesen
Well, Alex does kind of explain that.
See, this is where it's like, okay, none of this is real, so it doesn't make sense from a human motivation, but Alex is like, these people thought that I was in on it with the onion buying my company, and that's why they were chewing him out.
Interesting.
Because he predicted that they would steal the auction and rig it and all this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so because he was so smart and knew what was going to happen, he must have been in on the plot.
Which doesn't make any sense.
That's very stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's how Alex rationalizes it.
jordan holmes
That does make more...
That makes sense from an Alex standpoint.
I was just thinking from like a chewing out standpoint.
Because then the thought occurred to me that are they...
Relying on Alex for credible information about the present day.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You know what I mean?
Like, if you want to know what's going on, you would call the lawyer, and you would be like, even if you talk to Alex, you'd be like, Alex lied to me about this.
What is going on, right?
So there's no point in chewing out Alex.
What, is he going to tell the truth?
dan friesen
No, but it might just be fun.
jordan holmes
I mean, it might be fun just to yell at Alex.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The exchange you're going to have with him is going to be different than if you're talking to a lawyer, and maybe you just need a charge.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
Maybe you're having your second cup of coffee and you're feeling crazy.
jordan holmes
See?
Now that's the human motivation that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's a show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If they just wanted to yell at Alex, if he's like, hey, they just wanted to yell at me because I fucked up, then that would make sense to me.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I heard this clip, and...
I mean, I don't really have anything to say other than, like, imagine it's someone other than Alex saying this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And think about how worried you would be about their well-being.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
A fake auction for a fake purchase.
Not just that they didn't get the purchase.
The media said they got it, as the judge said.
No, no.
I mean, it wasn't even real money that they put at a lesser amount to get it.
I mean, that's, like, perfect.
Like, perfect inversion.
Like, God is perfect and Satanism is inversion.
It's like, everything is a lie.
Everything is BS.
It's a work of art.
It's like, how do you...
I mean, and I get why with other people this works because it's just...
It's like New York Times articles.
I use this one all the time.
There's been so many.
But it's like, oh, I worked for Alex Jones.
It was terrible or whatever.
And then it's like you read it and 99% isn't true.
But it's this elaborate fantasy land of lies and twisted BS, and it's so complex, and you're reading it about yourself going, is any of this?
No, none of that ever happened.
What?
What?
Jones walks into the coffee room and grabs the black woman's ass and says, I want to have babies and marry you.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
What?
Zero happened.
Jones was mad at employees for not working hard.
So he walked up to a fish tank, called them into a conference room, and grabbed the goldfish out and ate it and said get to work.
And I went, that's the wolf of Wall Street.
Any idiot would, I mean, literally, they're like, let's put wolf of Wall Street in there.
They go, wait, it's better.
Let's add Finding Nemo.
The fish was about to be given to that employee's niece.
There was never a fish tank in the building.
jordan holmes
What is happening right now?
alex jones
There was no fish being eaten.
There was no niece.
But you read that.
And it's some kind of...
I think the CIA must be writing these or something.
Because when you really read it, you start going, those are movies.
They know everybody already knows about Wolf of Wall Street.
They already know about Feyenoord.
But they don't remember.
When you read that, people feel like they've seen that before.
Oh, yeah, I eat the goldfish.
Oh, yeah, it was for the niece.
And the whole thing is about fighting Nemo, you know, the fish being grabbed for the niece.
And then you start reading other articles by other people, and you see, wait, that's from a movie.
That's from a movie.
That's from a movie.
So they're not just plagiarizing.
I figured it out.
They're doing that because people who are unconscious...
And most of the public is now in kind of a mesmerized near sleep level.
There's studies out on that from all the TV and stuff.
People are like, ugh, kind of MPCs.
An MPC reads that and goes, yeah, yeah, because their brain has seen that.
Their brain knows somebody ate the fish.
That was the nieces.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
And you're like, wow.
dan friesen
Wow, indeed.
So, Josh Owens' article from the New York Times didn't claim that Alex ate someone's goldfish.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He claimed that Alex threw someone's goldfish in the trash.
From the article, quote, Once a co-worker stopped by the office with a pet fish he was taking home to his niece.
It swam in circles in a small transparent bag.
When Jones saw the bag balanced upright on the desk in the conference room, he emptied it into a garbage can.
Alex has changed the allegation of this to he ate it, so he can claim that the CIA is just attacking him with movie plots.
Alex creates fake versions of the claims against him because they're straw men that are easier to attack.
Instead of dealing seriously with the complaints brought by the Sandy Hook families, for example, Alex pretends that he was accused of peeing on a child's grave.
It's an accusation no one made, but he feels comfortable defending himself about because he is definitively innocent of that.
If he were to deal with the real, substantive complaints about his behavior and coverage, he would not have that shield of being definitively innocent, which is a fundamental part of his woe is me, everyone hates me for being too good shtick.
This entire righteous indignation is mostly just him being righteously indignant about fake things no one's accusing him of.
He operates this way because he's a moral coward.
But also, if you do listen to that last clip, the way that I set it up, imagine it's someone else saying those things.
You would rightly think that they were severely paranoid and they needed help.
I figured it all out.
The CIA is writing fake stories to make me look bad, and in order to trick everyone into believing them, they used the plots of movies.
On a completely unrelated story, let me tell you about how God has granted me superpowers that weirdly mirror plot points from the Matthew McConaughey movie Interstellar.
This is a person who you should not look at as anything other than tragic.
jordan holmes
It is a testament to the way we interact with people depends first upon their baseline.
You know, like, this is your baseline behavior, so in this direction is crazy and in this direction is, you know.
Whereas with Alex, if your baseline is this, everybody's like, no, no, no, that's just him.
You don't gotta worry about that.
dan friesen
Well, I think...
jordan holmes
It's a weird...
Societal trait we have.
dan friesen
I think that anybody who actually listens to his show is acclimated to this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we'll hear him talk about the CIA writing these articles about him based on movies in order to trick people and all this.
And they'll be like, whoa.
And then everybody else doesn't listen to his show.
So they don't know he says this shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And everyone is just like, they don't realize that this is crazy, but it's also normal.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is the baseline.
They think that turning the frogs gay is the baseline.
Wrong baseline, fellas.
dan friesen
Turning the frogs gay is deeply respectable on the Alex scale.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Of things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's him operating almost at the top of his intelligence.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, here's another theory that I've just come up with.
Alright, what if he genuinely does not know how to read in such a way that all he does is scan for certain code words?
Then because this code word does exist, he correlates that to an image that he remembers from a movie.
Thus creating an article that does include actual movie plots because he can't actually read the words.
So he figures by putting this word in here, he's filling in the blank with the plot.
dan friesen
It's possible, but then you'd also have to add on another layer of...
He always makes mistakes in the same direction.
He never ends up reading an article that reminds him of a movie that challenges his belief.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
He never has to wrestle with anything.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
So I think there's a denial element to it, too, even if there is whatever that is you're describing.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So I got kind of bored because we're here this day after Alex's business gets bought.
By a joke site.
And it's just him complaining and talking about himself.
And I'm like, just give me something.
Give me anything.
And thankfully, we get something.
alex jones
Here is the clip.
Project Veritas released undercover video of a U.N. manager admitting that war is the only way to make serious cash and that lazy staff are rooting for warmonger Haley to be president over Trump.
The United Nations manager of peacekeepers has said, the quiet part out loud, the peacekeepers are the warmongers.
This is powerful.
The full report is going up on Infowars.com.
Now back up.
The sale did not go through.
It was not a real auction.
dan friesen
This has red flags all over it.
Like, why is Nikki Haley's candidacy coming up in this story?
Like it feels very out of date, or at very least, it seems like that's kind of an indication that this story is not a bombshell.
This is a clip that was released by the new Project Veritas, now with 100% less James O'Keefe.
So Alex really shouldn't think they're putting out good patriot content.
Right.
unidentified
They're supposed to have been taken over by the globalists who forced O'Keefe out, but I guess who gives a shit about character consistency or object permanence?
dan friesen
When I heard Alex I thought, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It makes total sense that someone at the UN could say that war has a financial aspect to it and people often make more money off war than peace.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not surprising in the least.
So it seems like this was just going to be a standard Veritas dud.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
However, when he actually played the clip, I was baffled by this.
This was nuts.
unidentified
So people are involved at the UN that actually don't work.
and people at least think about it at the end of the building.
Really?
It's a lot of lazy people on it.
Really?
It's an environment where, again, you have a stable job.
You're not going to be fired.
You also don't get evaluated.
The only way you make money in the UN is if you might go to war.
I work for a country, you get paid more.
Really?
If you're living in like dark horror, you could die, they're going to pay you more.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
So this guy was saying that people who work at the U.N. in lower-level roles can become somewhat complacent since he feels there aren't a ton of reviews or possibilities for advancement and you have a stable job.
The way that one would get a pay raise would be to serve in an area where you would get hazard pay, like a country at war.
Like, this is such a perfect encapsulation of what's wrong with the conspiracy ecosystem that Alex is the face of.
There is a real serious problem about war profiteering, and it's something that we need to address if we want any chance at a decent future for all of humankind.
Too many companies have financial incentives that are not served by peace, like some of the companies run by noted defense contractor Elon Musk, and we need to not be naive about this.
But this undercover video is a guy expressing that he feels the only way to get slightly better hourly rates as a low-level employee at the UN is to be serving in a dangerous area.
This is not him expressing a motive to exacerbate or continue wars, which is what Alex wants to present this video as being evidence of.
It's a pathetic misuse of information that actually serves to make it more difficult to address the real problem it's pretending to be concerned about, and that...
Is so indicative of the way Alex operates.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's why I felt like this was a shocking clip.
Why would you do this?
jordan holmes
I find it fascinating that they just got a regular old exit interview clip.
You know what I mean?
Like, this is like, hey, I put in my two weeks notice and they're like, okay, tell us about your experience working here or there or anything.
There's no opportunity for advancement and I feel like the only way to get a raise is through Hazard Bay.
dan friesen
A lot of people aren't working as hard as they could be because you just, you know, you get in a rut.
jordan holmes
Government waste.
I don't know what to tell you.
You know, like...
And then we'd all go like, yeah, that sounds about right.
I feel like that sounds about right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've been in jobs where hazard pay is a thing.
Yeah, makes sense.
It reveals such a...
When you play this clip in the context that Alex is trying to use it in, it reveals so much about how fraudulently you operate.
And to me, I feel like it's worse than not doing it.
It doesn't matter.
The people who are the consumers for the Veritas type media, they won't even recognize probably that this is what this guy is talking about.
They'll just think the UN admitted they start wars for money.
jordan holmes
They're primed to believe a thing, and then they're given a sound effect that will give them...
You know, comfort there.
dan friesen
And to not engage with that sound effect critically.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Because you don't need to.
What they need to do is tell you what you want to hear and then give you a sound effect.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like that's...
dan friesen
It's a bummer.
Yeah.
So, Alex, I told you earlier in the show, you might get a different perspective on people suing him.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that this next clip is where that begins to become clear.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because obviously, someone told Alex to shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He cannot say these things about the trustee.
unidentified
He did get chewed out.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
And they just had this fake auction that was a private secret sale masquerading as an auction.
Let me just say that's my opinion.
And it was my opinion last night that I would be given InfoWars back and that we would be put back on the air because I could see what the judge said.
I could read the news articles that had quotes of him.
I could talk to my lawyers that were there.
And he said this wasn't an auction.
And we got to have a hearing on this.
So if that wasn't an auction, they didn't get InfoWars.
Now, I'm not a lawyer.
That's my opinion.
Well, now that's admitted.
So does that mean down the road something might happen?
Does that mean the judge might just be sick of it and say, shut it down?
That could even happen.
Does it mean they're going to have another auction?
Does it mean they're going to say, well, the real highest bidder got it?
That's probably what everybody thinks should happen in the law.
I don't know.
That's my opinion of what might happen.
You know, Chris Murray's, the trustee's lawyer, was calling up my lawyers.
And saying, oh, Jones is saying Chris Murray apologized to him.
He didn't do that.
I said a lot of stuff in the first hour on a teleprompter, and I haven't gone back and reviewed it, but that was not my intent either.
He said to me on the phone in front of Bob yesterday, and he told Bob, oh, I know I'm sorry this is a bummer or whatever, but no hard feelings.
Not like I'm sorry for what I did.
I'm sorry this is a big hassle for you.
I know no hard feelings.
That's what I remember him saying.
I got it recorded.
I mean, we'll see if that was exactly what was said.
But that's what they're calling up about saying isn't true.
Oh, okay, so did you...
What else was wrong?
Because you can come on, Chris Murray.
I got your number.
I can call you.
Would you like to come on?
Right now.
Come on the show.
I mean, I mean that.
dan friesen
So this is an amazing moment.
This is Alex realizing in real time and on air that he can't just make up whatever he wants about the trustee with no consequences.
Alex has directly alleged on this episode that Chris Murphy called him and apologized about the sale and said, "We made a mistake.
Give you Infowars back." This is Alex alleging that Murphy admitted to fraud, which is why Alex has, that's what he's accused him of on this show.
Alex clearly got a message from his lawyer that he needs to cut that out.
So now you hear this mealy-mouthed bullshit.
The apology and admission of guilt is maybe now just a guy being polite.
Alex has tapes, but he's not going to play them.
Murphy can come on the show and clear his name by letting Alex use him as a prop for this publicity stunt.
Why wouldn't he do that?
That must mean I'm right.
Yeah.
unidentified
This is so sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Alex is probably like, man, if Norm was a bankruptcy lawyer, I wouldn't have to deal with this shit.
Ugh.
That's a buffer.
dan friesen
This is what you could hear a bunch of.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If people were just like, all right.
Lawyer time.
Obviously, people can't afford to do that, but some pseudo-public figures and legal folks can.
So maybe the trustee here is in a particular situation where they're able to be like, you can't say that shit about me.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, somebody was watching.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Somebody was watching.
There you go.
dan friesen
And that's maybe...
Maybe that's the answer.
Just constantly ask for demand retractions.
jordan holmes
Man, I'd rather give him the fucking Black Diamond Law card.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So, Alex has a guest on.
He's a general.
He's a Flynn.
He hangs out with Papa John.
jordan holmes
Man, I was, for some reason, in the back of my head, I was like, this is the right time for Stubblebine, forgetting that he is dead.
dan friesen
He's dead.
jordan holmes
He's long dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's hanging out with the aliens.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Flynn is on, and I don't really give a fuck, but he says something that I just thought was really weird.
unidentified
There's going to be some bumps.
Trump is going to experience some bumps.
michael flynn
But don't let those bumps, you know, stop our forward momentum.
jordan holmes
So I want people to understand.
We've broken through the hedgerows.
We're going to push.
michael flynn
We're going to push these guys back, but we cannot declare victory over Europe just yet.
I love the fact that Trump is operating out of Mar-a-Lago.
The fact that he's operating out of Mar-a-Lago, personally for me, makes me feel better for his own security.
dan friesen
So to be totally clear, Flynn is using the Battle of the Hedges just after the D-Day invasion as a metaphor for where we are in the fight.
I guess the first administration was D-Day, or maybe that was the 2024 election, but this period here, before Trump gets back in office, is the Battle of the Hedges, where we're breaking through the hedges.
That's all good and well, but why does Flynn think that the objective of the United States in World War II was to declare victory over Europe?
There was one side that wanted to do that, and that was Hitler's side.
The U.S. was on the side of the European allies who'd been invaded by the Nazis.
This is a weird insight into his mind.
Let's not declare a victory over Europe yet.
jordan holmes
I mean, it does make sense if you track his ideology from Nazi Germany through America.
dan friesen
No, that's what I'm saying, is it's strange that insight...
jordan holmes
I mean, you know...
dan friesen
It's revealing a little.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like my grandfather was a Nazi scientist.
I mean, I don't know how he got to America.
You know, like one of those things.
dan friesen
Legal immigration.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, fuck Flynn, don't care about him, and he's not saying anything all that interesting, and Papa John's not there.
He really, he screwed himself over, because now every time he's going to be on, I'm going to be like, where's the pizza man?
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
Where's the pies?
jordan holmes
I think, I think, here's what I think Flynn is exemplifying, and this is the thing I think that is going to eventually unite us all, regardless of what we believe.
The government...
Needs to fix a thing.
And then be done.
You know what I mean?
Like, there's never going, it's always, oh, there's going to be bumps in the road.
Oh, we'll get there.
And it's never, like, fucking cure polio.
They cure polio, they can fix a thing.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Pick a thing and then fix it.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Here's what Flynn can fix.
The very serious pizza shortage.
jordan holmes
Right?
You know the guy.
No, that's it.
Everybody gets a pizza.
That would be more convincing because it's like, oh, a thing.
You fixed a thing.
dan friesen
Well, it's a small problem of I don't have a pizza right now.
jordan holmes
More important is that they did it.
dan friesen
Well, I'm hungry.
jordan holmes
Instead of being like, oh, I mean, sure, you can have some pizza.
God damn it.
Fix a thing.
dan friesen
So most of this episode has been Alex whining and saying that this isn't a real auction, the trustee committed these crimes, these felonies on their face, and then being scolded and being like, look, it's just my opinion.
And so everything changes to, these are my opinions!
His tone entirely flips.
He's still complaining and saying he got screwed over in this auction, but he's being mindful of...
Repeating, like, my opinions, I'm not a lawyer.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of caveats.
And I think it starts to drive him insane.
jordan holmes
I think you've just, I mean, you've described a lot of things that he's done, but I think what you've described is justifying the reason he's on air.
dan friesen
And he just sounds nuts.
alex jones
Bad guy's messing with me a little too much.
unidentified
So, I'd been a little afraid to do it.
But I went ahead and...
alex jones
Flip the switch.
unidentified
And everybody's flipping the switch right now.
alex jones
It's called an uprising.
It's called a global awakening.
It's called humanity coming back from the dead.
unidentified
All right.
Let's talk about R. Let's not.
jordan holmes
Let's talk about him.
dan friesen
Let's not.
jordan holmes
Let's get into it.
Let's get into it.
It's about time we talked about RFK Jr.
dan friesen
When RFK Jr. was running a third-party campaign that Alex thought was going to hurt Trump, he declared war upon him and his house.
And then now that he's with Trump, he's a great guy.
Can't wait for him to head up the HHS.
But that just seemed nuts, right?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, but you know when you throw in RFK that nothing seems nuts anymore.
Like the moment you say those letters, I go, oh, what's he going to behead today?
dan friesen
That's what's fascinating about that clip, is that the beginning of it, Alex has this grumbly kind of weird, ugh, the bad guys pissed me off, and you're really upset about that.
And then he's like, now let's talk about RFK Jr.
But in a kind of normal, serious tone?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's more upsetting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all terrifying.
This whole world.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Nuts.
dan friesen
So Alex spends a lot of time talking about how he needs money, and he wants money, and you should give him money.
jordan holmes
Do you mean justifying why he's on air?
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
unidentified
Because just kind of making noises.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
And I don't want to be on Fight the New World Order.
Let's say I'm like a starfighter blasting the enemy TIE fighters, and my energy level's way down, and I just ignore it because I'm like going around in the fight, and all of a sudden, ship turns off, and I'm like, ah.
And so I'm like watching it, blank, blank, energy, energy, danger, danger, danger, and I'm like, you know, destroying the enemy, and I'm down to like a half a life.
And I'm like, hey, guys, I got half a life left.
Will you put one more on?
Like you're playing Galaga?
You know, you're down to one life, and I'm like, oh, all of a sudden you go, bloop, oh, another life.
Oh, thank you.
I'd really like, maybe, I love it when you're playing Galaga, there's like six lives, you know what I mean?
But you do play harder when you're down with that one life.
I've always noticed that.
I'm not a huge video game fan, I play a lot of Galaga as a kid.
Somewhere around here, I had it in the house, like the video console, it's the old-fashioned game, it's got like 20 games on it, Galaga.
And I noticed when I'm down to one life, I just passed seven levels with one life.
Maybe that's why God always keeps me at one life.
I'm just like, this is stressing me out.
And you want me up here like, give me money, give me money, give me money.
And I'm watching.
And I hate that, but what I really hate is watching One Life.
And I'm like, I really don't want to start back.
Yeah, because I hate losing more than I hate begging.
And it's not like I'm a baby bird sitting there in the nest doing nothing.
Like, mommy, give me food.
unidentified
Meep, meep, meep.
alex jones
You know, baby birds.
unidentified
Meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep.
alex jones
Go to the document cam shot.
I like that.
unidentified
Meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep.
alex jones
I'll just keep doing until we go to the document cam shot.
Meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep.
There you go.
Little bigs going up.
So, meep, meep.
Let's do it for the rest of the show.
unidentified
Meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep.
alex jones
It's kind of fun.
unidentified
Meep, meep, meep.
alex jones
It's like a new mantra.
Me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
He'll, like, call up, I saw the transmission from Mars.
Meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep, meep.
Sesame Street.
I was never a big Sesame Street fan when I was a kid because it kind of already come out when I was bigger.
I just never liked it compared to Looney Tunes.
I guess it was out when I was very little.
I guess it came out in 1974 when I was even born.
The point was I didn't really like Sesame Street, but I liked Cookie Monster and I liked the aliens would show up occasionally.
dan friesen
They sure would.
jordan holmes
That was incredible.
I felt it.
There are two things that I felt in that moment.
There are two things I felt.
dan friesen
Just two.
jordan holmes
I felt 14 years younger.
I felt like a baby comic just starting out.
Going to a party, feeling really excited that I was invited because I was like, I didn't know anybody.
And then to like, you know, when you find a new friend group as an adult, when you don't have one at all, it's always a little nerve-wracking.
And then being cornered at like a party by a far older comedian.
dan friesen
Someone who has a substantially higher status, maybe.
jordan holmes
And is a grown adult.
Far more than...
dan friesen
And then they start making noises at you.
jordan holmes
And then they're...
They're fucking coked out of their mind, going off, and you're like, oh, there's no reason for me to be here at all.
I've made a huge mistake.
dan friesen
But you have to put up with it.
jordan holmes
Because, of course, you want to be cool, and then you might get gigs.
dan friesen
And it's happening.
He's going to make these noises one way or the other.
jordan holmes
And then I had the next feeling, which was that I was now in the crowd at an open mic watching that comic, realizing...
That was testing out material on me.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was heartbreaking.
That was an odd...
That was an emotional journey I just went on.
dan friesen
That's a ride you went on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was intense.
dan friesen
I felt like someone with a notepad or just scribbling notes.
Sure.
I've just asked, how does that make you feel?
jordan holmes
Observing.
You're observing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I just sort of...
Put my pen in my mouth.
Sure, sure.
And just sort of like chew on the camera.
jordan holmes
You've got a little teaching group.
dan friesen
What are we going to do with this?
Felt like house.
jordan holmes
Now class, this is not the first time you've seen this before.
What have we done?
dan friesen
I felt like I am a doctor and I am very confident while he's making noises.
Because I know what's going on here.
He's being passive aggressive about the people who aren't going to the document cam.
And he's going beep, beep, beep, beep, beep over and over again.
I get this.
This is...
Flashing out!
I understand.
Then, as a doctor, I feel unsafe once he starts talking about how he likes the Cookie Monster.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Because now I have no idea why we're doing this.
This free association train has gone to Elon Musk, maybe talking to him like a Martian because of the beep-boop-boop stuff, and then we've jumped to Sesame Street.
unidentified
Oof.
jordan holmes
That's when you're...
What I see is you doing that, and then as he keeps going, we pan out, and we see that you're wearing bunny ears and lipstick as eyebrows.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, oh, we're all in the Looney Tunes bin right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm just as crazy as you, because we're both here.
dan friesen
Yeah, Sam the Eagle thinks he's normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not.
He's a Muppet.
jordan holmes
Nope, he is not real.
Yep.
Like that niece.
dan friesen
That's the biggest conspiracy of the ball.
jordan holmes
There's no niece.
There was never a niece.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the rest of the show is somewhat uninspired.
But after Alex gets off air, he can go back to his old studio.
unidentified
He gets to go back to Infowars.
jordan holmes
Let's just run it back.
I feel like everything we've done over the past year has been running something back.
dan friesen
Yep.
And that's exactly what happens when he gets back into his old studio.
alex jones
Well, here we are back at the Infowar Studios.
I thought it was bought by The Onion.
I heard they bought it.
I heard they got it at an auction.
Turned out it was a rigged auction.
Turned out the judge didn't authorize that auction.
Turns out they colluded on the bids beforehand and not told the real people that came to bid.
Turns out people are really interested to find out what's going on.
So, let it sink in, folks, that...
We're back at InfoWars.
dan friesen
So Alex is carrying a sink.
You know, he's trying to run back that Elon Musk meme when he bought Twitter.
Yep.
jordan holmes
There's just no escape.
There's just no escape.
dan friesen
I felt so embarrassed for him when I saw that.
I was just like, this is the dorkiest shit I could imagine.
Like, there is a picture of Alex Jones that is...
I am wearing a goddamn Revolutionary War hat with a musket, and I'm coming back into my studio with you motherfuckers.
I'm going to put up barbed wire and fuck you.
I built this.
I am serious.
I mean this.
And I kind of...
I don't like that guy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That guy's real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that guy, at least...
I don't know.
I'm going to be worried about him, but I'm going to respect where he's coming from.
jordan holmes
He's coming from a real place.
dan friesen
I am not going to respect the guy who recreates an Elon Musk troll meme when he comes back to his studio that he feels he has been wrongly evicted from in a war against the fucking devil.
This is baby shit.
This is so embarrassing.
Make your own meme.
Don't do the let this sink in.
If you want to be a troll, come up with your own thing.
Don't rip off Elon Musk.
Who the fuck?
This is pathetic.
Anyway, I was very disappointed in him.
jordan holmes
That's horrible.
Okay.
Here's a thought that I just had.
Alright?
If you...
You know the depictions of...
Let's go with Bill and Ted's bogus journey.
Okay?
You know how they go into their own personal hells?
And there's like...
There were other people there.
In those hells.
And then I was like...
Do they know they're in...
His hell.
Or are they in their own personal hell, being in his hell?
Or are they not real and they are just conjured as a figment of his own imagination?
And then I wondered, if I was a self-aware version of myself in Alex's hell, would this be any different?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, if Alex's got an awareness...
Let's say this is actually, we're actually, relatively speaking, in the year 3000.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And Alex has already lived this exact horrible, shameful moment a million times over, right?
And only now are you and I realizing that we're actually trapped in his hell.
Can we escape?
dan friesen
I mean, we can just do whatever we can do.
Sure.
I mean, self-actualization in that moment does not grant you freedom.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
You are still in that hell.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, you're in hell.
dan friesen
You can really only make the best of what you got.
jordan holmes
And you didn't deserve anything.
You didn't do anything.
dan friesen
No.
I guess in that hell, I go on vacation.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Yeah, I think that's the plan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But man, I just think there's something about this that is the limpest, wettest piece of pasta in terms of defiance.
Yeah.
So, like, Socrates.
In the apology, he famously was like, hey, what my punishment should be for all this shit, you should feed me for life.
That was an act of defiance that was, you know, it's historically resonant.
Oh yeah, I've corrupted the youth by asking questions and opening their mind.
Yes, I should be punished by being a hero.
Yeah, that's what I should do.
unidentified
That would have a lot less power if...
dan friesen
Socrates was ripping off some other dipshit who had said the same thing to the power structure.
If this act of defiance was just copying someone else, I think it would look a lot less strong.
Just from Alex's sense of self, he shouldn't just play dress-up.
jordan holmes
See, that's the thing.
It is entirely possible that Socrates did bite that off of somebody, and he was just a biter.
But the trick is, be several thousand years in the future and only have one account you can rely on.
You can't be having, like, the guy...
Oh, also the guy who said it first published my shit two weeks ago.
You know?
dan friesen
Well, here's the problem with that.
If Socrates did bite someone in this, it still works.
jordan holmes
Sure.
No, of course.
dan friesen
In this case...
This, Alex's gesture, only has meaning in the context of Elon did this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
That's the only, it's referential.
jordan holmes
It's pathetic on multiple levels.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It can't stand the test of time, even if we erase Elon's action.
jordan holmes
Right, because it's predicated upon such.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I don't think that even if Alex were able to control the narrative and erase Elon's meme from history, I don't think it works.
I think it's just pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Across the board in a way that just really disappoints me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
He should go down in history as being one of the most sycophantic people that ever existed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
To the point where it should be defining in the character of this person.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
He is the quintessential bootlicker.
dan friesen
He has had his empire unfairly taken away from him.
He retreats to the secondary studio.
And he comes back to his rightful throne and he references Elon, a meme that Elon did.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In his moment of great triumph.
He loves to say the John Paul Jones, I've not yet begun to fight.
Sure.
He needs something like that instead of a sync meme.
Just a dork.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's not a whole lot to really talk about with his return to the studio, because it's more of the same, honestly.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, because we're a self-aware existence inside of his personal hell.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he just accuses the trustee of crimes more.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then he gets a little bit cocky doing that, like, who's on air now kind of stuff.
But there is a moment that I do think is kind of funny.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And that is Alex...
He thinks Trump's going to come save him and use the DOJ to crush his enemies for him.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex justifies his belief in a disappointing way that he realizes sounds bad in the moment.
alex jones
So, because let me tell you, this has now been chosen to display what Trump's talking about with the government media court collusion.
You think Trump isn't pissed off?
You think he doesn't take it personally?
He knows I'm one of his biggest offenders?
Maybe like if I have a dog, my German Shepherd that protects my family, and it's chewed up 10 or 15 people that tried to attack us, and now I see somebody beating my dog with a baseball bat, you think I get pissed off?
Yeah, I compare myself to Trump's dog.
dan friesen
Oops.
I mean, that's just hilarious.
Yeah, alright, I'm Trump's dog.
Alright.
unidentified
Now I wanna be your dog!
dan friesen
The thing that's also really funny about this is that dogs are trained.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And Alex is Trump's dog.
And as he is...
You know, he has deprived himself of the free will and agency that he pretends to care so much about, which is deeply ironic.
And I think when he says, yeah, I'm saying I'm Trump's dog, there's a part of him that recognizes that these are the things that he's implying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's probably ashamed.
jordan holmes
Did he not also say that the dog unfairly bit people 10 or 15 times?
dan friesen
No, the dog defended the owners 10 or 15 times and is being unfairly attacked.
The owners come to its defense.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which Trump has absolutely not done up till this point when Alex has been under attack.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't...
No, I don't like that one.
I would be real disappointed with myself if I had unintentionally said that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because that would make me think like, oh no, something's trying to escape from my brain.
To then become life?
And talk back to me.
dan friesen
Trump has me on a leash.
jordan holmes
Like, the back part of my brain spoke out so the words would look the front part of my brain in the face.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
I hope not to have those.
dan friesen
So, Alex talks a bit about how they have won.
I guess.
He, as a dog, has won.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
We are devastating you.
And nothing you can pull, no false flags, nothing will change that.
If the general public slips on a banana peel, they're going to blame you.
But, you know, it is always you.
Remember we told you they're not giving Trump supporters aid.
They're not going to Republican counties.
You can look at the maps in North Carolina.
And then we got all the documents, and it wasn't one lady, it was the agency.
And then we got videos of the agency heads in their own Zoom meetings saying, don't give Christians, whites, or conservatives any help.
We used to be egalitarian, help everybody.
Now we only help LGBTQ whatever.
jordan holmes
Is that before or after?
alex jones
You've seen the video?
You want to see it?
I mean, that's discrimination.
jordan holmes
Women's suffering?
alex jones
We know you don't like us.
We know you're out to get us.
We know you're attacking us.
And so we're done playing games.
And we realize when we're nice to you, it just makes you abuse us more.
Like we're some prostitute and you're the pimp.
And you break our arm or put cigarettes out on us and we thank you.
No, we don't thank you.
We're done.
We're getting off the plantation.
Figure it out yet?
It's a global realignment.
I'm just honored to be a part of it.
dan friesen
It's crystal clear what Alex is saying, and anyone should be able to read between those lines very easily.
The needs and wants of white Christian conservatives are more important than anyone else.
He's a white identity adherent and he supports the general trend internationally towards more authoritarian governments that place that identity at the core of their image of power.
It's been obvious for a long time, which is why we call him a racist and a bigot, so this isn't any kind of surprise to hear.
He's basically saying, I'm pissed off because I think white Christians should be the only people with rights, and my response is, we know.
We know.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This is what he's been saying for a while.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's here celebrating that no false flag his enemies try to pull will derail his movement, and if you understand the subtext there, it's kind of depressing to think about.
In Infowars world, things aren't really false flags.
It's a buzzword, and an accusation that gets thrown around to get out of any inconvenient spot that Alex might find himself in.
Anything and everything from a racist mass murderer to a global pandemic can be called a false flag, to the point where the word doesn't really mean anything anymore.
There have been real false flags in the course of history, but that legacy has no connection to what Alex does and how Alex has weaponized the term.
The fundamental effect that Alex has achieved with this whole calling everything a false flag is that we're closer to a reality where terrorism is a feasible strategy for the extreme right to use.
Their actions will never impact the...
It will be useful as a...
You can't derail the right-wing militia movement with the OKC bombing anymore.
That's not going to happen.
There are going to be people like Alex, and there is a large enough media presence that will deny reality.
A completely different reality has been created to insulate...
Extremism from its consequences.
And that is what Alex means when he says no false flag will work.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We will not take the blame for any of the consequences of this rhetoric is what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We've dodged, we've disconnected actor from action.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
But at least we can be relied upon for them to also be in control of the government.
So I guess it's better that way in a sense.
As long as they're in control of the government, terrorism does not help them achieve their goals.
So what we should do is be grateful.
dan friesen
That's not true, though.
I think that...
I think as things don't go exactly how the really angry white identity Christian conservative folks like...
I think no matter who's in power, there's a secret group that's in power, and that's the group that isn't prioritizing the white Christian conservative needs.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, at least there are people in power who hold them accountable.
dan friesen
So, we have one last clip here.
Alex just gets a little bit defensive about Mr. Onion.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He did an interview with George Stephanopoulos.
And Alex goes over that interview and he just complains about how, like, I didn't do anything to these Sandy Hook families, blah, blah, blah.
And I just thought this clip was, like, you're accusing these people of serious crimes.
unidentified
Overnight, the judge in charge of this put a hold on your purchase, raising questions about the process, raising questions about transparency in the bidding process.
What do you make of that?
Are you confident this is still going to go through?
Yeah, look, we won the bid.
alex jones
Hit pause.
Back it up 10 seconds.
Yeah, we won the bid.
You won the bid?
The trustee's been in the news saying, well, I decided to give it to them, and, you know, they needed extra money, so we came up with this plan.
And then they didn't tell the real bidders that, and the rules, you can't do that.
And then they changed the stuff last minute.
And the judge said that wasn't a real auction.
That's why we're back in the building.
dan friesen
So that morning, Alex talked a lot of shit.
Got a call from a lawyer, and while he was on air, he changed up how he was approaching this and moderated and did this.
These are my beliefs.
This is my opinion.
But his brain doesn't have...
He has like a memento thing.
By the time he's back on air that evening, it's a new broadcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so he doesn't...
Remember, I'm not supposed to be accusing everyone of all these crimes.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He needs to be reminded constantly.
jordan holmes
No, it's that they're not watching.
He knows they're not watching, so he can say whatever he wants.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's probably true.
And whatever pretend lesson I was pretending to have learned, I can just go ahead and drop that pretense.
That act can fall away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to, I mean, again, like, the idea of anything...
Like that, giving him pause is purely temporary.
dan friesen
But that's why it needs to be constantly reminded.
jordan holmes
I mean, that just doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
It doesn't.
jordan holmes
It doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
But nothing makes any sense.
jordan holmes
So anything that leads towards that as an outcome means that the entire process should be scrapped and started from the beginning.
dan friesen
Maybe so.
jordan holmes
On a foundation that makes sense.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
As opposed to this banana's town.
dan friesen
Maybe the entire institution of talk radio and all this does need to be figured out from ground floors.
jordan holmes
I think, yes, from ground, from fucking, yeah.
dan friesen
But think about how funny it would be if Alex is on air on this Friday night, and he gets another call from the lawyer, and he's like, you know, I just want to say that these are my beliefs, and he has to do that again.
Every single show involves a beginning that's full of steam, and then by the end of it, he's having to make apologies.
That's pretty funny.
jordan holmes
All right, it's possible.
Let's say this.
Let's say they assign a team of lawyers to watch his show all day, every day.
And he also has to...
But there have to be consequences.
The more they do it, the less valuable it becomes.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you going to do something?
Oh, you're watching now?
Yeah, of course you are.
You called me yesterday.
Oh, surprise!
Are you going to call me tomorrow?
Surprise!
Are you going to call me the day after that?
dan friesen
Well, but here's the thing.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, what are you going to do?
Fucking nothing!
dan friesen
Right.
Except that...
Like, he clearly was responsive to this trustee's lawyer's call.
unidentified
Which is weird.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there is something.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Once he finds out those don't have any teeth, man, nothing.
I mean, he has to be stopped by being no longer on the air.
If you want him to not do the things that we sued him for, he just can't talk on the air.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't know if there's a way to do that.
But there is...
jordan holmes
So...
dan friesen
Chase could turn off...
jordan holmes
I mean, yes!
Honestly, that really could be a thing!
dan friesen
Anyway, this is all kind of...
It feels in some ways like treading water.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that not much is going to be decided until these court things get heard.
And I'm out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the illusion of movement while still staying in the exact same place.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so I guess we'll check back in whenever.
unidentified
I guess we will.
dan friesen
But we'll have some episodes in the time that we're taking off, but we'll be back eventually.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
And you should enjoy your vacation, my friend.
dan friesen
Thank you.
We'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
dan friesen
Yeah!
unidentified
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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