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April 24, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#921: April 22, 2024

April 22, 2024’s episode spirals as Alex Jones weaponizes WWII claims—tying his grandfather to Nazi encounters and Smedley Butler’s alleged recruitment—while mocking Hitler’s appeal as "shock value" for rural whites and "liberal college students." Marjorie Taylor Greene endorses his conspiracy about CIA operative Gabon Obleis, though Dan Friesen dismisses it as absurd. Guest Pascal Najadi’s rant—claiming Klaus Schwab was executed by Delta forces, Bill Gates is a clone, and JFK Jr. secretly collaborates with Trump—collapses Jones’ own "globalist" narrative, exposing his reliance on unverified, extreme fringe theories. The hosts conclude: if the enemy is dead or fictionalized, Jones’ entire framework crumbles, leaving only performative outrage and unchecked lunacy. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 33:06
d
dan friesen
42:15
j
jordan holmes
27:40
p
pascal najadi
09:48
Appearances
m
marjorie taylor greene
rep/r 00:52
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
Rattler.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy and Tandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin colour and we're here today.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge of Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is finally Habanero Jack Cheese has come back to the Aldi.
You know, it's one of the downsides of going to Aldi is that there are things that just disappear.
We've talked about this in the past.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
And Habanero Jack Cheese is back.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
I never thought I'd see it again.
It's back.
It's great.
Pepperjack cheese, a little too light.
Habanero Jack cheese, great.
Just the right level of heat to add to a sandwich.
Fantastic.
But now, now I need the chicken rings to come back.
The spicy chicken rings.
jordan holmes
He's going to go to Habanero.
dan friesen
Those have been gone forever.
Anyway, it was great.
When I saw that, I was like, wow.
Reunited.
jordan holmes
Good day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
How about you?
jordan holmes
I like it.
I suppose I'll say that on the day that people are listening to this, it's a nice day for you.
dan friesen
It's a Wednesday.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
Anyways, no, the good news is my bright spot is that my wife made you something.
dan friesen
Oh, that's nice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
More Graham Cracker.
jordan holmes
No, It's really cool.
I'm really excited to give it to you.
I can't give it to you tonight.
Okay.
dan friesen
Because she's a contractual obligation.
jordan holmes
No, she didn't get home from school early enough.
So I'll be able to get it to you tomorrow, but I've got a really nice gift for you.
dan friesen
Okay, well, that's very nice.
jordan holmes
I'm really excited to give it to you.
dan friesen
This is a tease.
jordan holmes
It's a tease.
I'm excited.
It's going to be your bright spot on Friday, or she is going to be mad at you.
That's the other.
Yep, I'm sorry.
I hate to do it to you, but.
dan friesen
Well, I'd like to announce in advance my bright spot for Fridays.
I quit.
No, I'm sure it'll be wonderful.
I'm very excited.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
It is a total mess.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Huge, huge mess.
Uh-oh.
This is April 22nd, 2022.
2024.
jordan holmes
2024.
Okay.
dan friesen
I got caught up in the twos.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, did we go back?
dan friesen
No, April 22nd, 2024.
Mess.
jordan holmes
Mess.
dan friesen
Total mess.
jordan holmes
Total mess.
Can't even.
dan friesen
No other descriptors.
jordan holmes
No descriptors.
dan friesen
And we'll get down to business on that.
But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
Ooh, that's a great idea.
So first, my wife and I accidentally left Knowledge Fight on.
It was not the foresome she expected.
Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, Mike the Knowledge Spike.
Thank you so much, Uranio Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And Aaron and Elijah.
Thank you so much.
You're an IOPOSYWonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
We got a couple technocrats in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Aussie ManDam us.
And you're now a technocrat.
And thank you so much to Welcome to the World Kaylee Hope.
Your parents are trying to make the world better for you.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little break now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil.
I got to be taken off here.
I've been all this.
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
You will not.
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
It's a mess.
dan friesen
Everything's a mess.
jordan holmes
Is he a mess today?
dan friesen
He's, yeah, I mean, he's hard to say.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So look, here's the situation.
jordan holmes
He's a mess.
No, I can't get it out of it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's part of the situation.
Here we go.
He's in the background and will live with us for the next however long this takes.
Focus.
420 happened.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You got the headband.
jordan holmes
420.
dan friesen
You know about 420.
jordan holmes
Yes.
The marijuana smoke weed.
dan friesen
Puff and weed.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Yes, puff and puffin weed.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's what people do on 420.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
However, it is also Hitler's birthday.
jordan holmes
It is famously both the day you smoke weed and the day you celebrate Hitler's birth.
dan friesen
And some of Alex's audience might be more enthusiastic about one of those things.
jordan holmes
See, that sounds right.
That sounds far more like.
dan friesen
It's not the cool libertarian drug legalization side of things.
So Alex tweeted about his distaste for Hitler on 420 and got a bit of backlash.
I had a bit of people not liking him for it.
jordan holmes
Let me see if I understand correctly.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Alex tweet out something like, hey, just to remind everybody, Hitler equals bad.
And everybody went, hey, hey, hey, hey, buddy.
dan friesen
I think you're softening both Alex's tweet and the responses to him.
But yes, more or less.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
And so, you know, 420 ends.
The high wears off.
jordan holmes
Now we're back at it.
dan friesen
21st, you just chill.
22nd, you got to deal with reality.
jordan holmes
You got to deal with the Hitler things that you said on Hitler's birthday.
dan friesen
So Alex comes into the studio and he really wants to talk about how he made a big splash on social media with this.
Okay.
And sort of deal with the fallout.
alex jones
Coming up, I'll do the deep dive on Adolf Hitler.
I put some posts on X this weekend that got tens of millions of views explaining to people that just because the globalists are bad doesn't mean that being naughty and liking Hitler is good.
Hitler was a loser.
And I'm going to explain all of that because I am an expert on it.
dan friesen
He's an expert.
So you can tell from listening to Alex that he's invested in pretending that these people don't actually sincerely support Hitler.
They're, quote, being naughty.
And they're only liking him because the globalists are so bad.
It's a lot easier for Alex to deal with this if these people are just trying to be shocking by presenting Hitler as the lesser of two evils because the alternative is recognizing that he played a big role in ushering people to the point where they legitimately support Hitler.
So Alex had a big 420.
An account on Twitter called Schizo Truth decided to post a collection of pictures of Hitler to celebrate the birthday.
And Alex reposted it with the comment, quote, happy birthday to the man who got 24 million Germans killed.
Hitler also launched a war that killed another 80 million people.
Just because our rulers are evil does not mean Hitler was good.
Fuck Adolf Hitler.
And before we go any further, in a vacuum, that's a good thing.
Pushing back against Nazis is a good action.
So, I wanted to make sure that I clarified that my criticisms aren't that Alex put out an anti-Hitler post.
My criticism is that I can't believe he wouldn't recognize that this wouldn't be super unpopular with the audience that he's attracted.
The replies to this tweet were wall-to-wall anti-Semites, accusing Alex of selling out to the Jews and spouting all kinds of Nazi shit.
There are two points I think are pretty important.
One, on some level, Alex knew this was going to happen.
Yeah.
And he was mostly baiting people for attention.
That's the game that he's playing.
He can't possibly be oblivious at this point that a huge section of his audience, particularly the more online Twitter section of it, includes a huge amount of Hitler fans.
At least a part of this tweet was an attempt to get a ton of attention by eliciting a negative reaction from his audience for doing something that the rest of the world would support.
And you can kind of tell that Alex is excited about it.
He starts by saying how much traffic, tens of millions of views on this tweet.
That's really the ultimate game that's being played.
And tricking people into saying even Alex gets this.
You know, tricking people who are critics of him into saying positive things about him.
And the second point is this is kind of the type of site that Twitter is now, where you say something negative about Hitler and people just fucking go to town on you.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
What a great direction things are going in.
I feel like as we reach, you know, a lot of people when they have midlife crises, you know, you and I both heading strongly towards the middle age.
dan friesen
If not further.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It is, you know, you think, oh, everything's downhill from here.
You know, and a lot of people project that onto the world and they make the world a worse place because they feel personally that their lives are going to be worse.
I don't feel like we have that problem.
I think it's being handled, right?
Like our midlife is going downhill, but that's not our fault.
We can't even be blamed for it.
dan friesen
If Twitter is life, then yes, Twitter life is going downhill.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it's not our bad.
dan friesen
It's a bad vibe over there.
Real bad vibe.
jordan holmes
Not good.
Not good over there.
No.
dan friesen
So I told you things were, you know, in addition to being a mess, it was a pretty exciting show.
Alex has a pretty huge guest.
unidentified
Hitler.
alex jones
WEF high-level whistleblower.
His father was the founder, co-founder of Klaus Schwab, joining us from Geneva, Switzerland.
No.
It's going to be a huge transmission today.
dan friesen
Can you believe it?
The son of the co-founder of the World Economic Forum is going to be on this broadcast blowing the whistle.
jordan holmes
I don't know what is not going to or not be true.
I reject all of it outright.
dan friesen
I can tell you this.
It's not going to be a mess.
So we have another guest, though, at the beginning of the show.
Starting off.
It's Marjorie Taylor Greene.
alex jones
Okay, well, not far off.
MTG joins us.
Boy, was she right about Speaker Johnson?
She tried to give him a chance.
Trump's tried to give him a chance, but he really showed his cards.
The Democrats are now bragging that they will keep him in power as a speaker.
Even Republicans try to remove him, as MTG and others did so successfully, spearheaded by Matt Gates and herself.
So this is a big deal.
Others say, well, she's a troublemaker.
We should just go along to get along.
Well, then might as well put Nancy Pelosi back in there or maybe Adam Schiff or somebody.
So thank you so much, Marjorie Taylor Greene, for joining us.
marjorie taylor greene
Thanks for having me, Alex.
And this is why I always support you.
You've got a great show coming up today.
I'm going to do my best to dial in and listen to the rest of it because I think you're going to be talking about some very important pieces of history that maybe people don't know or they've forgotten.
dan friesen
So she's referencing Alex's coming deep dive on Hitler.
And that's not super great for sitting member of Congress to be excited to hear Alex break down the hidden truths of World War II.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's no good.
It's not.
That's not like you wouldn't want somebody banging the gavel and being like, hurry up.
I need to go watch Ancient Aliens.
dan friesen
It's not far off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
dan friesen
It's pretty close.
jordan holmes
It's not good.
dan friesen
So a lot of what she's on is to complain about the Ukraine funding being passed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then also talk shit on the Speaker Johnson.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Mike Johnson.
And fine.
Enjoy trying to vacate another speaker.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's so sad because it's like what they want is a Democratic Speaker of the House to do stuff that they can whine about.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Having somebody that they have to whine about because they're doing stuff also be the, I mean, it's just, it's just a trap of your own design and making and enforcement.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's, it's, we want to lash out.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We don't want to be lashing out at the person that we could conceivably actually exert pressure on.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
We don't want to have the ability to do something about the things that we're bitching about.
dan friesen
No, because then we'll have to take the next step and do something.
And keep shifting up our leadership.
jordan holmes
We don't want to do that.
dan friesen
Or maybe they do.
And that seems to be what they're doing a bit of.
Could be.
So Alex asks Marjorie Taylor Greene about that undercover video of the CIA guy.
And I think Alex is getting closer and closer to getting himself re-fucked over.
alex jones
I don't want to write myself into the story, but it really is happening.
I know you talked about it.
I saw you post about it.
What do you make of this CIA FBI operative, Gabon Oblebis, admitting that I was targeted with PR firm setups?
And then now we know that the head of the FBI in Connecticut initiated the suits and William Aldenberg and quarterback the whole thing.
I mean, this is a deep state operation against me, which is illegal in America, in my view.
What is your take on that?
And can we have some more weaponization hearings and maybe drag these guys in before Congress?
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, I fully support you, Alex.
You've been a top target for my goodness, as long as I can remember.
You have been the top target.
And it's because you've always used your freedom of speech.
That's your freedom of speech.
dan friesen
I think Alex is getting dangerously close to getting a letter from William Aldenberg, quite frankly, because he's accusing him of a ridiculous crime at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I'd be interested to know, like, I would like to talk to Aldenberger to just see what just to see what he could do.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, okay, so you send the letter or you, what do you sue him?
Like, what do you do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What do you do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
To tackle him.
Because you just have to tackle him.
dan friesen
Because what Alex is doing is accusing him of a grand conspiracy against him by name, talking to a sitting member of Congress about dragging him in for questioning in front of committees and what have you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this is pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
I mean, we've already established that one of the ways to address shit like this is through a civil trial.
And here we are, and here he is.
So we've established, so like, that isn't now a fact that even the legal system has to agree on.
They fucked up.
They suck at what they do.
So now that we're there, now what do we do?
And no one is answering that question.
And everybody's just getting mad at me whenever I come up with ideas.
dan friesen
Well, some of your ideas are pretty bad.
jordan holmes
That's a fair point.
dan friesen
But, hey, one of the ideas that Marjorie Taylor Greene has, not about Alex's shit, but is to kick Mike Johnson out of there.
jordan holmes
I'm all for it.
dan friesen
Sure.
I think that these folks have an issue that they took over a party.
But some of the party doesn't like that takeover so much.
And so they realize we've kind of just got to make our own party.
marjorie taylor greene
The only way this will ever stop is until we turn our Republican Party into the party of accountability, the party of America first.
unidentified
And right now, that is not our party.
marjorie taylor greene
Our party is dominated by uniparty members and uniparty control.
And Alex, I can promise you this.
I think it's time to totally change the party.
We have to change it over.
unidentified
Is it going to be uncomfortable?
Yes.
But everybody needs to get comfortable being uncomfortable because I'm tired of the words without the actions.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
Well, Trump now has control.
Trump now has control of the RNC.
You know, if Trump gets back in, why don't we just change it to the American Party and just get rid of the Republican Party altogether?
unidentified
We should.
marjorie taylor greene
It should be an American party.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then the Democrats could change it into the Super American Party.
jordan holmes
I love ideas that have been had before to horrendous results.
Just coming back up being bandied about like it's a good call.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Pretty dumb.
jordan holmes
Let's call it the Confederacy.
alex jones
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Let's call our.
It's just, it's almost parody levels of branding and stupid jingoistic America.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What else could you?
What else could you call it?
Just like, okay, fine.
So now we've got the America Party or the America First Party or the mostist Americanist party.
Right?
So then 10 years from now, what's your next one?
What's your even moreist American party, right?
dan friesen
Well, you're going to have to find something.
jordan holmes
You got to go.
dan friesen
Super America Party.
jordan holmes
Bright.
How high can it go?
dan friesen
Super Duper America Party.
All right.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
dan friesen
Mega America.
Mega America.
Mega America great.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
So Marjorie leaves.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is going to get into his deep dive.
You should realize.
He's read a lot of books.
jordan holmes
I don't want to.
dan friesen
He's read so many books.
alex jones
I don't want to say I get lazy, but there's so much news I tend to try to get to a lot of it.
So a lot of times I only scratch the surface.
Now, compared to other talk show hosts, it's a deep dive.
And our guests do deep dives.
But really, what I cut my teeth on on their 30 years is deep dives.
Because I was extremely attracted to science fiction.
And I was a good reader by the time I was six years old.
And I was reading at a high school level.
And then I discovered history.
And then I discovered history is very varied.
You've got to read a lot of history to really get what the history is.
And then talk to people that were there as well when you have that opportunity.
So I read, and I don't want to exaggerate, but I lost a lot of sleep.
From the time I've been about six, seven years old till about 10 years ago, I don't read a lot of books now.
Just have so much information, read so much all day.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I might read six, seven books a year.
I usually just scan through other ones.
But I used to read about three books a week.
And I would get on JAGS.
I probably read, I don't know, 50, 60, 70 books on naval history and naval warfare.
History books.
It was very interesting.
Going back to the booby pirates in the South China Sea or the Greek or Peloponnesians and then right up until Blackbeard and the Caribbean.
jordan holmes
Bit of a stretch.
alex jones
And I probably read.
Let's not exaggerate several encyclopedias on World War II and World War I.
I probably read 200 books on World War II.
Wow.
jordan holmes
And don't do that.
alex jones
And the interesting part about it, and I'm going to do the deep dive next hour.
I'll do it later.
I'll start doing it.
dan friesen
I started doing it.
I just started talking about how many books I've read on things.
I'm not amazed by this.
I'm not convinced by the authority of, trust me, I've read a lot of books, bro.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is the exposition that never ends.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yes.
And doesn't really help set the stage for me to take what you're saying seriously.
jordan holmes
So I've read a lot of books.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Okay.
When did that happen?
I think that's been with us probably since I think it happened for me with Book It, you know, when you're a kid, and they're like, just consuming books is a sign of intelligence.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Just that, just like that was the sales pitch of just like, all you got to do is be able to take these words, put them in your brain without saying them out loud, and then you are a genius, son.
It's true.
alex jones
Right?
dan friesen
I mean, I think that that is the case.
No, no, but you hope that you go through that and then get a better.
But that does seem to be the mentality that Alex is stuck in here as a guy who's been on air for 30 years.
It is that quantity over quality or understanding or internalizing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't want to be the guy who's like, oh, I don't care about the thousand punches, just one punch.
But it's like, if you understand a book, that's way better than just having read a bunch of books.
dan friesen
What if it's 200?
And what if it's 50 books about booby pirates?
jordan holmes
That's actually probably going to make it more difficult for you to understand the context of what it is you're using.
dan friesen
I would assume, especially if you have the level of accepting bullshit that Alex does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're going to, if you read 200 books about World War II, you're going to encounter a lot of fucking stuff that is not true.
And you're probably going to think, oh my God, this is very interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I mean, I think probably the hardest part is going to be eventually the evidence that is in competition or against it.
You know, there's 200 books.
There's somebody who's going to say this is definitely true.
And another book that's going to say this is definitely not true.
And then eventually you're going to have to figure out which is which.
dan friesen
Or not.
jordan holmes
No, DC.
Ah, no, that's the problem.
If you don't figure out which is which, and then you do a deep dive.
dan friesen
This isn't going to be a deep dive.
jordan holmes
Oh, welfare.
At least we escaped.
dan friesen
It's going to be a deep dive into something.
jordan holmes
At least we escaped that.
dan friesen
And I think a big part of it is Alex's family invented Texas.
Did you know that?
jordan holmes
I did not.
dan friesen
But did you also know that his grandfather was German?
jordan holmes
I did not.
alex jones
My grandfather.
His mother's side of the family were storied Texans, founders of the state, literal, you know, the detonators, you know, the Greshams and others.
And Washington LeBron's the instigators working with President Jackson years before to hatch the plan.
Real conspirators.
Shipping shiploads of Bibles into Galveston.
Having shootouts with the Catholic priests.
Yeah.
But his father was only second-generation Germans.
And his dad still spoke German, some German.
And the grandparents did.
In Dallas, they were wealthy, lived in the nicest area there, and were very successful.
And so when I really turned to get into World War II, and my grandfather had been in the Army Air Corps as well, both grandfathers, I started talking to my grandfather, who's extremely eccentric and extremely smart.
And strangely enough, spitting image.
I'm a spitting image of him, basically.
Except he had a cleft in his nose.
And he just told me quite a bit.
dan friesen
He told you quite a bit.
Your grandpa told you quite a bit.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Like that Hitler was bad?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know what's going on here.
Is he trying to tell me that his family is all evil?
Like it's it's the colon the colonists who fucked over everybody in Texas and also fucking people escaping the horrors they did during World War I.
unidentified
They were great conspirators.
jordan holmes
This is a concern.
I am concerned about this man's family.
dan friesen
I'm very confused too because Alex is telling a story about his grandfather but then says that his grandfather's father was a second generation German, which means that Alex's great-great-grandfather was from Germany.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't understand.
I don't get, I don't know.
Right.
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
So yeah, they're deep in the shit, conspired to create Texas, steal Texas.
Yeah.
Whatever you want to call it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you remember with Jackson saying that with Jackson part, that's evil.
dan friesen
Well, I guess it depends on your perspective.
But look, his grandfather, German, looks a lot like Alex.
Also looked a lot like Hitler.
jordan holmes
Not great.
alex jones
And when I was 15 years old hearing all this, it was just fantastical.
But it wasn't BS.
It was stuff he'd lived, the stuff I asked about.
I asked him about the Nazis.
And he told me about them.
unidentified
And he knew a lot about them.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
unidentified
A lot.
alex jones
So I don't need to read it in a history book.
I got it from my grandfather.
And what the Nazis did to the German community in Dallas who weren't Jews.
My grandmother had blonde hair and big blue eyes.
I mean, look at his facial structure.
That's why they've done the AI on me.
And they do all these famous figures, sis Hitler, and they do it with me.
And it's like the same face.
My grandfather basically kind of looked like Hitler.
But the point is, is that, is that he had first-hand experience with the Nazis.
Firsthand.
And not when he was in the military.
I mean, that was another experience with him.
They were all over Dallas, all in the German community.
And he got a first-hand look at them.
So I'm going to tell that story coming up.
dan friesen
Okay.
You're going to talk about your grandpa having run-ins with Nazis in Dallas?
jordan holmes
I mean, like.
dan friesen
I feel like the Holocaust is a bigger deal, slightly than this, but.
jordan holmes
Even in Alex's weird formulation, though, shouldn't he be like, yeah, Henry Ford was a bad guy, right?
dan friesen
Henry Ford does come up a little bit later.
jordan holmes
But like, that's what he's like, all of them.
There were so many Nazis in the United States.
There were so many.
They loved Nazis.
They were all Nazis.
dan friesen
Well, not everybody.
jordan holmes
Not everybody, but there were.
dan friesen
There were more than we maybe like to remember or pretend.
But it also isn't nearly.
Like, Alex is a little bit later going to be like, everybody loved Hitler.
And that's not accurate either.
alex jones
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
You know, both extremes of this are not quite accurate.
jordan holmes
I just don't want to be the one where, I don't want to be the guy who's like, Oh, I look like Hitler.
I don't want to do that.
dan friesen
He seemed to be.
jordan holmes
Just don't do that.
dan friesen
You seemed to think it was very funny.
jordan holmes
It's not funny.
It's not funny.
dan friesen
So I mentioned at the beginning of this that I have a very strong feeling that a fair amount of what Alex was doing was trolling.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And he says as much.
And he understands that to a certain segment of the population, Hitler is super popular.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But he thinks it's the, like, most of the population.
alex jones
And so I really want to have an adult discussion about this because I put out a couple posts that went viral, tens of millions of views.
When idiots were, let's just say ignorant people, were wishing Adolf Hitler a good birthday.
And they went, oh, look, you got ratioed.
You got trolled.
No, I knew what was going to happen when I did that.
I know how popular Adolf Hitler is.
In fact, if they did an honest poll around the world today, Adolf Hitler is the most popular politician of the last 200 years in Africa, in the Middle East, at liberal colleges, with white guys living out in the country, with army officers.
Hitler is super popular.
What, you don't think I don't know that?
Oh, oh, I didn't know.
Oh, look, Alex got trolled.
You know, three to one, everybody loves Hitler.
Oh, you're the ones getting trolled.
I'll explain it all to you coming up.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, yeah, I mean, I think that there, I think Alex is a little skewed on his numbers based on maybe the community that he interacts with and is a part of.
But, you know, it is pretty obvious that that negative backlash that he got wasn't super unexpected on his part.
He knew that was what was going to happen, and then it was going to lead to a ton of attention and engagement on Twitter.
And so, like, people saying that he's getting ratioed.
Yeah, I mean, it's fairly accurate, I guess.
But, like, it's not the same as someone who he walked into it intentionally for the spectacle and the attention that was going to come of it.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
That's why I'm confused by this sales pitch here, or this, like, iteration of Alex, because he's aware that what he was doing was farming attention from people who were going to say, Hitler's great.
Hitler's great.
And that would allow Alex to look like he wasn't evil.
So look less evil.
dan friesen
At least compared to random people on Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
To Hitler lovers.
At the very least, Alex is not a lover of Hitler.
And yet he is.
But what I don't understand is this part where he's like not understanding why people love Hitler.
dan friesen
Well, he thinks that they're just pretending to because it's like sort of edgy or against the normal orthodoxy.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
So he's.
dan friesen
He doesn't think that anyone's sincere about it.
jordan holmes
But that's what I'm saying.
Like, you're telling me that he's self-aware enough to know what he was doing and the reaction that it would get.
And yet he's now not self-aware enough to know that the reason people love Hitler is the hating and murdering of millions of Jews.
dan friesen
I think that he, okay, well, I would say that maybe that is where the deception lies in terms of what he's presenting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Maybe he does understand that, or maybe it's a self-defense mechanism.
That's one of the, I feel like those are possibilities.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
It seems very unlikely that he doesn't get that a lot of these people actually.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the genocide thing.
dan friesen
They like Hitler.
They like what he did.
And they like a lot of Alex's political positions.
jordan holmes
Yes.
I mean, it does feel like maybe he truly has like a broken section of his brain that refuses to allow him to understand that.
dan friesen
It might be.
Yeah.
He has another sort of thought here, which I'll let you.
jordan holmes
Sort of is interesting.
dan friesen
Well.
alex jones
A bunch of other news that I'm going to mention before I cover it after I do the deep dive on World War I, World War II, the new clash of civilizations, World War III, what Hitler was really all about.
But more importantly, why people see him as the anti-globalist today.
Because people see things as black and white.
They see things as good guy, bad guy.
What is Stalin good?
No.
That's just another tyranny.
Lenin?
I'll say tongue, but dictators are really the hot thing right now.
There's whole groups that love Mao.
There's groups that love Xi Ji Ping.
There's groups that lionize all of this.
Why are they doing it?
Because they don't like their current system that's bad.
But boy, if you actually studied history or talked to folks that were there, you're asking to get out of the fire and be thrown in the inferno.
Before I go any further, we are listener supported, and it's great to support the broadcast, but you really want these products.
I mean, these are great products.
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dan friesen
They really work.
You want these products.
jordan holmes
You want them.
dan friesen
So, yeah, everything is black and white.
That's why people like Hitler.
jordan holmes
Dictators are hot right now.
There's a, I mean, their Q rating for most dictators is high.
Just, I mean, the name recognition alone for, quote, dictators.
dan friesen
I also would suggest that Alex has no leg to stand on saying people are oversimplifying things.
He thinks he's fighting the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
The literal Christian devil.
dan friesen
There can't be any more black and white than that.
Do you mean everyone you don't like works for the devil?
jordan holmes
Do you mean the literal creator of the universe, embodiment of goodness versus the destroyer of the universe, embodiment of evil?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty black and white.
jordan holmes
Pretty black and white?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So look, Alex does his plug.
jordan holmes
And yet somehow we don't know where we land on Hitler.
dan friesen
So Alex does his plug.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think he realized at some point, like, fuck, I don't want to do a deep dive on this.
unidentified
No, of course not.
alex jones
I'm going to do my best to be concise and just point people in directions to do your own research into World War I, World War II.
It's hard to briefly describe it.
But compared to the other critiques you see out there, it is deep.
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
People just have really no large-scale historical understanding of the Austrian-Yuran Empire or the British Empire or the different forces at work or the First German Republic and von Bismarck and then the Versailles Treaty and then the Weimar Republic or the SA versus the SS and the Knight of the Long Knives and what the Nazis were really like.
And oh, I know they got fancy uniforms and drive around in fancy Mercedes and built big, beautiful buildings and were obsessed with architecture and all the rest of that.
Well, I mean, you see that translated into Star Wars and how the Empire's got cool-looking ships and uniforms.
And Darth Vader looks really cool, doesn't he?
But the point is that that image you see projected is the classic signature of death.
And they wore skulls on their hats.
Might give you a little news flash that they're here to bring death.
dan friesen
I don't think that people who are super into Hitler are going to be dissuaded by that.
I think they are aware of that.
They're pretty cool with it.
Man.
You could just tell, like, this is like a guy being like, this is going to be a little bit superficial.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm just going to rattle off some stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I understand when things are nuanced many times.
In fact, I would argue most of the time, things have a great deal of nuance.
I just feel like sometimes we have a gift.
Life gives us a gift of not having to worry about nuance just this one time.
I mean, listen, it is a gift to just be able to say Hitler's evil.
Full stop.
No context, no explanation.
dan friesen
And you don't need to do it in a million words.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Just Hitler, bad.
Done.
Moving on.
It's a gift.
dan friesen
I do think that honestly, a lot of this is going to be giving a bit of short shrift to Nazis and World War II and all that.
And mostly focusing on Alex's grandpa.
unidentified
But that makes more sense to me, at least.
jordan holmes
At least that makes sense.
dan friesen
It does.
But look, here's the thing: Hitler made scary faces.
Didn't mean if you look at those faces he was making, they're pretty scary.
But look, any man can do that.
jordan holmes
No, what are we doing?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
alex jones
If you really pull back and really study Hitler, the guy was a lunatic, occultist maniac and was on an incredible power trip.
I mean, look, anybody that's a man can run around and act powerful and affect power and make all those faces and do all that stuff.
Okay.
People weren't sophisticated 80, 90 years ago.
They're watching newsreels.
It looked good to the Germans.
They felt weak.
They've been through a lot.
But guys running around in Hugo boss uniforms and skulls on their hats, acting tough and sinister, is Luciferian.
And it's just not good.
And again, anybody can sit there who's a man and act like that.
I mean, because it's an affectation of what you see when a man's killing you because he has family.
It looks a lot scarier than Hitler.
I get mean and angry.
I could show you really scary-looking faces here.
You go, gosh, that's even scary than Hitler.
Yeah, I can look a lot scarier than Gavin Newsom, too.
The point is, I choose not to because that is a spirit of pride and a spirit of Lucifer.
And it's the occult.
And the Nazis were into the occult.
They had a plan to ban Christianity.
It's super bad stuff, folks.
And I do not believe the Nazis are the most evil thing, by the way.
I don't see the backlash of Hollywood.
And then by extension, the Nazis are the bad guys.
So all white people are bad guys.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
unidentified
There it is.
alex jones
Yep.
A little defensive.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
Yep.
I do.
Look, I'm going to just admit right off the bat.
I'm not going to fact-check everything that he's going to say.
I'm going to leave a fair amount of it as fuck off.
But I'm fascinated by the scary faces thing.
jordan holmes
I guess that's a.
Is he leading us in on a secret that he knows that we haven't figured out yet?
dan friesen
Only men can make these scary faces.
jordan holmes
I've got resting Hitler face.
Yeah.
For the audio listener, Dan made a face.
unidentified
Yeah.
Super scary.
dan friesen
Very bizarre.
Just a strange, strange brain.
jordan holmes
I think one of the things about language and the way we interact is so fucking evil is that you can condemn somebody in such a fashion that the real intent behind what you're doing is to protect the worst things that they've done.
So like him saying, I don't like Hitler, even that action functionally is defending Hitler full-throatedly.
dan friesen
You know, it's at least misplaced criticisms.
That's very least.
unidentified
If you're going, if you are like, oh, I got it.
jordan holmes
I'm going to take this Hitler guy down.
People shouldn't wear those uniforms.
It's bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, that's something that I kind of notice.
If you go through Alex's career, he has a lot of feelings that are based in aesthetics that end up meaning way more.
He's really mad at cops in black uniforms and stuff.
That's very aesthetic, but to him, it means tyranny.
So to me, whenever I hear him talking about the uniforms and trappings and stuff like that, it doesn't actually seem that weird.
He's caught up in that stuff a lot.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Because if they didn't look like that, they wouldn't be bad.
dan friesen
Well, they wouldn't be able to pull off the bad that they do because it's cool or something.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Right.
But I think that's kind of, yeah, I think that's on the way.
dan friesen
So, would you like a brief lesson in World War I?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
And it's true that Britain was heavily threatened by the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.
Germany was just one piece of that.
And that they had surpassed America with inventions and technology and were taking over the world through business, not through military conquest.
And so the Archduke Franz Ferdinand on the eve of World War I was assassinated, shot and hand grenaded while driving in a motorcade.
And the war began in earnest.
And then the Austrian-Hungarian Empire was broken up.
Large pieces of it were given to Poland and France and many others.
And those were the complaints of the Germans.
And taxes were put on them and an incredible inflation.
And they were in a depression much deeper than the depression we even saw in the United States.
And out of that angrier world came the National Socialist Workers' Party that Hitler was a young member of, and that it was declassified after World War II that the British intelligence had been spying on and funding, not thinking it would take over later, but just whatever group took over, they intended to basically be in the driver's seat with.
So British intelligence didn't control the Nazis, but they were there from their inception.
And if you want to actually study the history of that, it's there.
dan friesen
The British intelligence wasn't guiding the Nazi Party, especially in the earliest days.
But look, this honestly, this retelling of World War I even contradicts the version that Alex has in Endgame.
Like, World War I was a false flag that was done in order to create the League of Nations.
Right.
It's not a war that just happened.
So this piece even just like, I don't know, it doesn't match with what Alex is supposed to believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, if what we can take away is that Alex understands that in order to get a Hitler to the level of popularity that you need, you have to essentially torture a large enough population to get them to the point where they think, fuck it, let's go with Hitler.
Then your parallel would be like Trump now.
But I don't think he's.
Okay.
alex jones
Never mind.
All right.
jordan holmes
I'll just go.
dan friesen
We'll explore that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Never mind.
We're just going to let that one go.
dan friesen
This was the yada-yado version of World War I history.
Sure.
And it leads us to a period of Hitler's rise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's see how Hitler's doing.
dan friesen
Everyone loved him in the 30s.
alex jones
And then as Germany builds up and as Germany turns its economy around from 1933 until about 1939, Time magazine and the New York Times, Hitler, man of the year, multiple times, and he's a genius and he's great.
And Henry Ford funding him and Thomas Watson of IBM.
And it was on the local radio stations around the country.
And Hitler was a great guy, and he was the answer to everything.
dan friesen
Henry Ford and Watson are not great examples to provide as being representative of the mainstream opinion of America.
Ford was a giant anti-Semite, and Watson was a well-known war profiteer who did business with the Nazis.
Hitler was named man of the year by Time magazine for 1938, but that doesn't mean they were saying he was the coolest man of the year.
His actions created the most important development of that past year, namely his destruction of the Treaty of Versailles and the seizure of Austria.
Alex often misrepresents this man of the year thing, but he's really swinging for the fences here, implying like everybody was like, Hitler's the answer.
Woo!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a grand exaggeration of Hitler's popularity in the United States.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, in Germany, you know, getting rid of that treaty of Versailles was pretty big.
They weren't fans.
They were again.
dan friesen
Internationally, it was a pretty big deal.
jordan holmes
That's a bad move.
dan friesen
Very big.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have a bit more here about the rise coming to power.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
So the Germans had been demoralized.
They'd been put down.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
They'd been in decades of control and poverty.
And then along comes this low-level corporal and World War I hero, Ironclass, Iron Cross, first class, Congressional Medal of Honor, the Germans' Congressional Medal of Honor, as a message runner in World War I who had volunteered to run through the enemy lines while they're being nerve-gassed, all the rest of it.
Just being honest about Hitler, he was a German war hero.
Hitler rapidly ascends in the Nazi Party, and they have a beer putsch where they try to occupy the Reichstag, and then he gets put in jail a few years, and he writes Mein Kampf.
I mean, I know the whole history forwards and backwards.
It's fascinating.
jordan holmes
Clearly.
alex jones
Read hundreds of books on it, multiple encyclopedias.
I understood it was an important piece of history.
And then Hollywood and the Western establishment then pushed American hegemony and America being the hero of World War II.
When America was a part of it, I'm not listening, both my grandfathers in it, the Army Air Corps, but 80% of the casualties or more were between the Germans and the Russians.
26 million Russians, 22 to 24 million Germans.
I mean, this was a Russian-German slugfest.
And then the United States and others came in on the edges of it for the final victory.
And we still lost 700, 800,000 troops.
You can look it up.
dan friesen
I'm not coming away from this thinking that Alex has a real great in-depth awareness or understanding from these hundred books or whatever.
For one thing, the beer hall putsch happened in Munich in 1923.
Well, the Reichstag is in Berlin.
jordan holmes
It's a little different.
dan friesen
I think, you know, they're just words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's just kind of, you know, he's giving you a little timeline, giving you a little scoobity-doobity-doobity.
dan friesen
A couple of details here and there, a couple of tidbits.
jordan holmes
I would posit you this: catchphrases.
I think in this situation, we are in a quantity tells us more than quality because I posit, I say this to you.
I think if you read a hundred books about Hitler, you are telling me something in much the same way that if somebody read a hundred books about Gil Scott Heron, they would be telling me something, which is that you are really fascinated by this guy and you think he's cool.
dan friesen
You're a fan in a way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
So I think that one of Alex's great misunderstandings, we can, you know, decide amongst ourselves whether it's a self-defense mechanism or not.
But he seems to think that his audience is just trolling the left by pretending to like Hitler.
jordan holmes
They'll get us.
alex jones
You have Hollywood then, by extension, with thousands of movies about Nazis constantly, and then now attaching that to America and now saying conservatives are all Nazis and racists.
We've been hearing this for 30 years.
People go, well, I'm not a Nazi.
So if you're calling Hitler bad and you're calling me a Nazi, well, he must not be bad because I know I'm not bad.
And so it becomes a thing to basically troll the left is to go ahead and say, here's Hitler.
What do you think of that?
My issue with Hitler is this.
They definitely were obsessed with design and pageantry and nighttime rallies and architecture and scary-looking uniforms.
jordan holmes
Nailed them.
alex jones
And they took over an Austrian-Hungarian empire that had a huge militaristic history.
dan friesen
Okay, okay.
So you say, my problem with Hitler is this, and then you launch into what begins with aesthetic complaints.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
All right, buddy.
jordan holmes
Could I prefer a more flowing uniform?
I like a different fabric.
Obviously.
I'm more of a linens guy.
dan friesen
You got to have something that breathes.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Because, you know, they're not just fighting in the cold.
You think, oh, we're the Nazis.
We're going to fight in the.
But they were also in Africa.
Those uniforms, horrific in Africa.
Too hot.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Too hot.
I saw Casablanca.
unidentified
They looked cool.
jordan holmes
They did look great.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So Alex believes that all these people are just, you know, they're being called Nazis all the time.
So they're like, ha ha, we're going to troll you.
We are Nazis.
And then Alex is going to troll back with his post about how fuck Adolf Hitler, all this.
But he's just trying to open up a conversation.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
But when I posted to troll people, because I was planning to do this show this week, I've just been saying for a while I would.
When I posted on X, and we'll show it from X here.
We can pull that up, please.
Saturday on Hitler's birthday, this post right here, I saw it already had millions of views.
It says, Hitler's birthday on 24 photo collection thread.
And I said, happy birthday to a man who got 24 million Germans killed.
Also launched a world war that killed another 80 million people.
Just because our rulers are evil does not mean Hitler was good, F Adolf Hitler.
And I knew that from the corners of X and elsewhere, the Hitler worshipers would come streaming out and we get tens of millions of views, which this post got 7.4 million views.
Derivatives have it another 10 million that I even saw.
And I wasn't looking.
So 17 million views.
And it did what I wanted.
They're like, oh, you just got trolled.
You just got ratioed.
No, I just opened up this discussion.
dan friesen
So here you see Alex essentially just admitting that he made the post to bait people for attention.
He's trying to give it some kind of high-minded justification, like he was opening up this conversation, but it's pretty important to understand that in most circles, that's not an important conversation to open up.
Most people get that Hitler was a really bad guy, and the Nazis were bad, and they don't need to troll their audience into talking about it.
What Alex is actually responding to is a major problem that he's obviously aware of, which is that a large segment of his audience likes Hitler and are Nazis.
This shouldn't come as a surprise given the high number of legit Nazis Alex has had on his show, how his content is soaked in historical anti-Semitic tropes that he uses to characterize his vaguely defined enemy, the globalists, and how Alex races to provide cover for every act of white supremacist or Nazi violence that happens, which will always be labeled a false flag.
Alex's content leads people toward the path that leads in the direction of Nazi ideas, which is why a lot of the far more hardcore people think Alex is soft but useful.
He's somebody who can reach more mainstream people and finesse them toward more extreme groups.
So even if he's not enough for them, they'll make the most of what he can provide.
We've heard this articulated by people like Nick Fuentes, and I can't imagine any other reason that Owen Benjamin would do Alex's fourth hour.
It seems like the only real agenda.
Honestly, the problem for Alex is Twitter.
He's always had these Nazis and his audience calling him out for not being Nazi enough, but they've been pretty easy to ignore.
If he wanted to, he could curate comments on his own platforms, and he could be pretty confident that on the mainstream platforms where most normal people gathered, there would be moderation in place where people who posted Nazi shit all the time would be kept to a minimum.
But now that Elon's running Twitter, that's a problem.
It's very obvious that Alex has a Nazi problem, even in the replies of non-Hitler-related tweets that he posts.
On the one hand, I agree with Alex's instinct that he needs to do something about this.
And having a very visibly pro-Nazi audience is not a good thing.
But on the other hand, this strategy is stupid.
And obviously, it's not meant to address the real issue.
The decisions Alex made to cultivate an audience that was warm toward Nazis happened a long time ago.
And nothing that he does now is going to change that dynamic.
He can try to distance himself from that section of his audience, but it's going to take a bit more than this to achieve that.
And doing any of the things that would work towards that hurts his bottom line.
Whatever this is, the thing he's doing here on the show, it isn't effective.
I went to his site, you know, banned.video, and he posted this segment from the episode.
And comments are mostly pro-Nazi shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
So I don't think whatever audience he's trying to open up a conversation with are responding.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I think this is where I think we're headed, or at least I think where I'm at, is like for the longest time, we tried to be like, here's what we need to do: stop using the language.
And that only taught the Nazis the language of euphemism and allowed them to live and work freely among us, being able to communicate with each other and us being like, ha ha, see, they're not saying the N-word all the time.
We've done good.
But now we can see that what needs to happen is stuff like Twitter.
They need to be shown in the light and then launched into the Phantom Zone.
dan friesen
Well, that second step isn't something you can do.
jordan holmes
It needs to be like isolated.
Like, they deserve to have a place to be awful to each other.
dan friesen
Right, but that was like, that was like Gab and Truth Social and those other.
Like when there's actual moderation in place, normal people can use social media and not have to deal with this shit.
But now that is not the case.
jordan holmes
We need a completely segregated social media.
There's Nazis.
And then there's real people.
We need moderation.
If you want to, that's the thing.
Maybe Godwin's law was the wrong move.
Maybe it's just there are those Nazis and we shouldn't argue with them.
They should have their own space.
Give them Twitter.
dan friesen
I think one way or another, that is what's happening.
jordan holmes
They've taken it.
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
So whether you want it to or not, that's a good point.
So anyway, Alex finds himself on his show arguing with a random Twitter comment about who started World War II.
jordan holmes
I hate life.
alex jones
I'll admit, I spent hours I don't have it.
It's so fascinating, very entertaining in a sick way.
Reading scanning.
Oh, I probably read 500 comments and I stopped out there because there's tens of thousands.
And a lot of people are smart.
A lot of people are making good points.
But I saw other comments in there like, how dare you lie about Hitler?
He was attacked first and offered peace.
No.
It's not debated that Hitler invaded and took large pieces of other countries that had been part of Germany before the Austrian Empire.
And then he just said, I'll take Poland.
dan friesen
It's not debated, but you're debating with a Twitter comment.
Amazing.
So I don't think that there's a ton of depth here.
I don't think this is like an in-depth, deep dive, whatever.
And it kind of does result in just like kind of shit talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Alex is kind of talking shit on Hitler as opposed to Hitler's a real shitty dresser and he does bad breath and his toes were jealous of other generals later after they'd exterminated all those guys and had Erwin Rommel killed or made him take Sinai or he'd kill his whole family.
I mean, and the Nazis would run around.
If you've seen Remains of the Day, because I've read the real history and also tell people that saw stuff like this, the British lord who fought in World War I felt bad for Germans.
So he invited the Nazis in the 30s to his house.
And it's a fiction movie, but it's based on stuff that happened.
And while he's out of the room, they're like, when we take over that painting, that painting, that painting, they were literally pirates obsessed with loot.
Now, that's not just in a Hollywood movie.
dan friesen
But I am going to tell this anecdote from a Hollywood movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not going to.
Now, obviously, there are very, there are tons of real tons of examples of this very obvious story that are real that I could tell you, but I am going to tell you about the movie one.
dan friesen
Right.
Because I've read thousands of books.
jordan holmes
I've read thousands of books, and I am only going to describe a movie to you.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
It's good work.
And now we get into Alex's grandfather, who seems like quite a character.
alex jones
Okay.
My grandfather, I never really talked about this.
He was pro-American, Army Air Corps, all that.
But after I learned all this when I was a teenager, I went over there because I'd since moved to Austin last year's high school.
I'd visit him almost every Sunday for Sunday dinner.
And I go to church with him sometimes too.
My grandfather didn't talk a lot, but boy, we talked.
And I said, hey, I've learned all this.
And he said, yeah, it's absolutely true.
He said, when we grew up in Dallas, we lived next door to the inventor of, or one of the major patent holders on refrigeration, who had been born in Germany but had moved here.
And it was their neighbor down the street.
And my grandfather, when I was a little kid, the Germans were very, there was a big section that were German.
He would go over there and see the invention shop.
And my grandfather later became an inventor and was successful, sold some stuff at the Pentagon, and combat robot, early combat robot in the 60s, but remote control, radio control, but that's a side issue.
It's classified.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
But my mother remembers coming home from college and seeing him and going to the warehouse, seeing the robot.
Robots.
But crowd control robot.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
But he talked about this rich German.
dan friesen
His grandfather lived near the guy who held a lot of patents for refrigeration.
I feel like this is reminiscent.
I've heard, I think Alex talked to Yay about this.
But yeah, so he invented combat robots.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Crowd control, remote control, combat robots.
jordan holmes
I want to.
So here's what Alex does to me, right?
Here's what Alex does to me.
I want to go back in time and hound Alex's family for being not from America.
unidentified
Scream at them about how they're monsters who are invading our country and all that shit.
jordan holmes
And then we won't have to worry about the Nazis.
dan friesen
Is that what happens?
jordan holmes
Did I fix that?
dan friesen
I'm not going to.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I'm not going to sign off on your agenda here.
I am going to say that I would like to go back in time, though.
And I would like to find out about these robots.
jordan holmes
I just despise the concept of reminiscing about how great immigration is from Alex.
dan friesen
That is true.
It's a hard pill to swallow.
jordan holmes
I refuse to swallow it.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Damn it.
That is fine.
Okay.
I just think I want to fucking see these robots.
jordan holmes
I do too.
How do you have robots?
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would like to go back through Alex's family history and take a stop every generation and really just take in how important every single person who has ever lived who is related to him is.
They're all the most critically connected and they're all amazing.
jordan holmes
It is genuinely as if it's like Mishima's golden fucking, like it's a reincarnation of the most important man every single time.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a lineage of Forrest Gumps.
Oh, God.
So Alex's grandpa joined the military.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Now, you might think he joined the military because, you know, he'd heard about the war and what was going on in Europe.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
He did not like the way that Nazis were being mean in Dallas.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
alex jones
My grandfather said that the reason he went and joined the military, even though he was at UT, in college, roommates with Tom Landry, best friends.
I was a kid, every once in a while, visit like Tom Landry pulled in the car and come in and go in the office for an hour praying.
Not bragging.
It's just weird history.
And he looked just like the Tom Landry you see, the hat, the suit, the whole arms.
He was really eight years old.
It was Tom Landry.
I only saw it once, but they talked every week and prayed.
In fact, if I got to their house early on Sundays, he'd say, excuse me, you'd go in the room for 30 minutes and pray with Tom Landry.
Just a weird story.
Those are real Christians.
And my grandfather said that by about 1938, the Germans, the Nazis, had threatened to kill all of his family in Germany if he didn't give them all the money he had.
And the guy had basically sold everything, the equivalent of billions today.
And my grandfather implied committed suicide.
And my grandmother really liked this guy.
And so that was the last straw for my grandfather to get off the UT football team because he could have got a deferment, whatever, and him and Tom Landry go and join the Army Air Corps together.
So that's the reality here, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
So we're talking a fair amount about Alex's grandfather and his experience with the Nazis.
And I find it to be slightly underwhelming or very narrow story that he joined the service.
Pronoun reference was a little bit messy there, but it was the inventor who had the pets in refrigeration.
jordan holmes
Who killed himself?
Inferred.
Yeah, ostensibly.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was being shaken down for money by the Nazis.
And this is why Alex's grandfather joined the war effort because he liked this refrigerator inventor.
This is strange.
jordan holmes
I, I mean, it does make, it does track, though, with everything that Alex believes.
If you were going to like say that it was taught to him, it's a learned behavior, then yes, everything is about me does make sense as a learned behavior.
You know, like, oh, Hitler did all the, no, I don't like the way he fucked with my guy.
dan friesen
It wasn't because of the Treaty of Versailles or Austria or any kind of.
jordan holmes
It makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It tracks with Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This guy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Oh, he stepped on my shoes.
So I got to stop him.
dan friesen
So I got to go to war.
jordan holmes
If FDR had stepped on my shoes, I would have been on the Nazis team.
That simple.
dan friesen
It's that easy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex seems to imply that he has some kind of secret knowledge, but I don't think he does.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
My grandfather is a German, good-looking, blonde-haired, blue-eyes, in a rich area of Dallas with a bunch of rich Germans.
And he is witnessing, and it wasn't just that.
So then, obviously, he wouldn't talk about it.
He gets in World War II approach to look into what the Germans are up to.
And he does it.
And he didn't tell me about it, but he told his son, who also went into intelligence, and he told me about a lot of it.
But we almost lost the country to Nazis.
And they had the McCormick-Dixeen Committee hearings on it.
My film Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement starts with those hearings.
And Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine Corps general, and they wanted to be the Commandant of the Marine Corps, multiple Congressional Medal Honor winner.
They tried to hire him.
The bushes with the Nazis to overthrow the U.S. government.
And I didn't know about that until 25 years ago.
I made films about it.
And I made a film about 17 years ago, the big one.
But I was hearing all that from my uncle, who my grandfather told him about it.
And it just gets wilder from there.
So I have first-hand.
dan friesen
Yeah, it just gets wilder.
It gets wilder from there, but we don't know any of that stuff.
All we know is the stuff that we already know, like Swedley Butler.
We don't know anything.
Nothing here.
It's just fucking insinuation.
jordan holmes
I've been told about all these books he's read.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I only hear stories from movies.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
I have been told about all the interesting things that his family has done.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Personally.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I only hear stories from movies.
dan friesen
And like stuff you already know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stuff you can know other places just from public knowledge.
Or maybe narrow personal stories about your neighbor.
alex jones
Yeah.
Yep.
jordan holmes
That is the most.
dan friesen
I find this a little bit soft, quite frankly.
There's a lot of stuff that's like it would be really good if you're sitting around passing a joint on 420, maybe.
alex jones
Sure.
jordan holmes
Hitler's birthday you celebrate.
dan friesen
Oh, my grandpa told me all kinds of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
My mind is blown crazy.
But if you're in this context on this show, it's not compelling.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess I would be more interested if he would get rid of all of the trappings of like pretending to care about the world, the war, and just get into why his grandfather was very personally motivated.
dan friesen
That's the refrigeration inventor.
Because his dad, or his grandfather was also an inventor of combat robots.
So they had that inventor bond.
jordan holmes
That's not enough for me.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's not enough for me.
I want to hear more about this story.
dan friesen
Well, you're not going to.
Well, maybe you'll hear a little bit more because I would say that a large part of this quote-unquote deep dive is about how Alex's grandpa is cool.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
And was not a Nazi.
jordan holmes
I feel like that's in question.
dan friesen
He might have gone to some meetings of the Bund, but he wasn't a Nazi.
alex jones
But again, he apprenticed.
That's how things were in the old times.
You would work with other people.
He worked from the time he was like 10, 11, 12 down the street.
He described it to the whole area in the middle of Dallas.
It's around a big park, and it's where all the bushes live, all of them now.
But he had a huge laboratory, Tesla-type guy.
And I can't remember his name.
I'm a teenager.
My grandfather's telling me about all this.
And this guy was a German.
And he wasn't even against Hitler, but he had a bunch of family in Germany.
And they threatened to kill him.
And they sucked every bit of money out of him.
And my grandfather saw that.
So he said by the time he was in high school and the Bund was really big.
They had Madison Square Garden rallies and they had rallies in Dallas with 50,000 Germans in Nazi uniforms.
And my grandfather never got in the Bund, but he said, I went to a few of the Bund meetings.
And I'm sitting around the kitchen table while he's drinking iced tea and he starts getting tears in his eyes.
This is when he's a teenager.
So my grandfather's going to Nazi rallies in Dallas, Texas.
And then he starts learning about the inventor and how they're robbing him.
And the old man's breaking down, crying to him, my grandfather said.
So my grandfather went and joined the Army Air Corps once World War II started.
He was already at UT playing football and won the track championship.
And my mom still got the medals first place for the hurdles and all that.
The point is, he was a great guy.
dan friesen
Great.
So, this isn't like an interesting personal story, maybe.
Probably.
Alex is known to be a fabulous, so some of the details I have questions about.
But this is a very interesting kind of family story about this grandpa's path to going to the.
This doesn't really speak to an important general broad truth about the Nazis or Hitler.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think that in terms of the crimes that the Nazis committed, extortion low on that list.
jordan holmes
I mean, their fashion crimes clearly higher, according to Alex, even.
dan friesen
Their tyranny.
Their fashion tyranny.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't think that.
I think that Alex might think this is a bit more important than it is.
jordan holmes
I am going to say this.
Based on what I have heard, I am hearing Alex say that he has read hundreds of books, studied this topic extensively, had many debates, conversations, researched all of this.
And after learning everything he can about Hitler and World War II and Germany, he has come to the conclusion that his grandfather's real cool.
dan friesen
He's real cool.
He's a good guy.
He's really cool.
He's good at track.
jordan holmes
All right.
He's good at track.
That's right.
I forgot.
That's the other thing that he learned from World War II.
His grandfather was good at tracking.
dan friesen
So here's another thing about the Nazis.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They wanted to kill H.G. Wells.
And you know, they wanted to kill him because he was competition.
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
And then Alex says something real weird about his dad.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They even tried to have assassins kill H.G. Wells.
You're like, well, H.G. Wells were at War of the Worlds.
Why do they want to kill a science fiction writer?
He also wrote a bunch of nonfiction books, and he was one of the main futurist brains of the British Empire.
And they had an alternate eugenics plan that Aldous Huxley also wrote about in Brave New World and admitted later was the actual plan that we're living under.
So we're living under the British Empire slow-roll eugenics depopulation system.
Hitler knew about the plan, but decided to only target certain groups.
And I have a lot of other data points on that where people are brought in that are top scorers and say the plan two operation at UT when they're in high school already in college.
And after they've gone through a year of testing and invented, they bring them in and they say, I'm the head of the body department and I'm Jewish.
We don't like Hitler, but eugenics is the way to go.
And we're basically going to target everyone, not just certain groups.
My father was given that speech.
And he's about as Gaelic as you get.
He's no German or that guy.
He's English, Scottish, a little Irish.
The point is he was top of his class.
He was the boy genius, too.
jordan holmes
It's not the point.
alex jones
And that's why they tried to recruit him.
And he got into it for a while and got out of it.
He thought it was immoral and wrong.
But he's never told me any of it, except that it was going on, that I'm right.
Okay.
dan friesen
All right, man.
So, yeah, I can't conceive of a world where Alex's grandpa is a guy who made combat robots for the Pentagon and what have you.
And then his, wait, no, it's the other side of the family, right?
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's his.
jordan holmes
Because his dad's not German.
His dad can't be German.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
If his grandfather, if his dad's dad is German.
dan friesen
It's the other side of the family.
jordan holmes
His dad has to be German, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, because, yeah.
So it's the other side of the family.
jordan holmes
Yes, it has to be.
dan friesen
But his dad.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I still, okay, that was an extra layer to it, but I still can't conceive of a world where you have the smartest fucking boy in Texas.
Yeah.
And they're brought in, and they're like, we're fucking evil.
We're going to do all this stuff.
You get involved for a little bit, and then you get out.
I don't think that the evil worldwide conspiracy could work that way.
It would sloppy.
jordan holmes
It's just, you know, you know that all the, just in movies, in movies, because that's how it's, that's what we're doing.
We're just talking movies now.
Let's just talk movies.
In movies, they're like, you can't leave.
We'll kill you.
Because obviously you can't leave because they'll kill you.
Right?
It seems that you can't just be like, ah, I'm out of here, friends.
You want to go tell other people about this vast decades-long conspiracy that controls the world and is the British Empire's eugenics program?
dan friesen
It seems like the stakes are too high.
jordan holmes
A little high.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Got to give it to the British Empire's slow-roll eugenics program.
dan friesen
Slow rolling.
jordan holmes
I didn't even see it happen.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the issue that I run into.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
A lot of this seems to be based in movies and shit talk from his family.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I don't care about either.
jordan holmes
It does seem like family legend is most of history in this story.
dan friesen
All of it seems so much more important than the fucking Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In terms of when you're talking about why the Nazis are bad and why Hitler sucks.
Great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think this is one of those things where it is like, okay, before we even, you know, I don't even want to engage with what you have to say first because I want to understand what you want out of saying this, right?
And what Alex wants out of saying all of this is to feel better about the fact that he essentially agrees with Hitler.
dan friesen
In a lot of ways, and that large portions of his audience love Hitler.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And think he doesn't love Hitler enough.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So all of that, so like at the end of all of this, the goal, the end point is- It's self-soothing.
I feel better about the fact that I agree with Hitler.
dan friesen
Yeah, and kind of trying to put a brave, positive face on the Twitter post that everybody was like, fuck you, you don't like Hitler enough.
Yeah.
That's kind of a large bit of it.
jordan holmes
All right, fair enough.
dan friesen
So we get off this topic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I don't know if I trust you.
dan friesen
The deep dive has finished.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Because we have a big guest.
Okay, that's right.
alex jones
Pascal Najadi is our guest.
His father was the founding member with Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum.
And he was born and educated in Switzerland.
He worked in public relations before moving into management and mutual funds.
From 93-2003, he served as a managing board member of Dresner Bank in London and was a chair of capital markets covering Central Europe, Central Asia, the Russian Federation, Africa, the Middle East.
After the assassination of Malaysia of his father, prominent banker Nijadi.
We'll pull some photos up of Hussein Nujati.
Pascal, a veteran of the Swiss Air Force, began his whistleblowing and has been covering the gamut since.
He's on Rumble.
dan friesen
So it's convenient that Pascal started this whistleblowing after his father died because there's no evidence that his father was a founding member of the World Economic Forum.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Pascal's father, Hussein Najadi, wrote an autobiography called The Sea in the Hills, The Life of Hussein Najadi.
And in it, he discusses being invited to attend the World Economic Forum in 1981.
Then back then, it was called the Davos Economic Forum.
This was 10 years after the organization was founded.
He was invited to attend.
What's likely being misrepresented is that Hussein says that he was the chair of the first, quote, gathering of developing countries at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
This was something that Klaus Schwab asked him to do in 1981, and he brought in representatives from India, Malaysia, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia.
In the same passage from his book, Hussein says that he, quote, remained a member of the organization until 1985.
So he was there during this section of time.
He did not co-found it.
Pascal Najadi is someone who's made some of the rounds doing COVID conspiracy content and pushing Bitcoin.
So adding a layer that his dad was the co-founder of the World Economic Forum does tend to give him a bit of outsized importance, given that Klaus Schwab is this season's grand villain.
It's unfortunately not true, but good for a story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if.
dan friesen
And you made it past Alex's rigorous screening.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think, honestly, if you discover that in your family history and you're like, I don't know, I'm working at blank.
This is a good gig.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like, if your dad has this autobiography and you've got this like immediate in, you know, that's a better hourly rate than Subway.
dan friesen
I would assume so.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Making sandwiches is fun, though.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
dan friesen
I also heard, I don't know if this is totally true, but I heard that Pascal's grandfather invented Combat Road.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
There's a lot of people doing that these days.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was a big competition, Neil.
dan friesen
I realize that this guy's dad did not co-found the World Economic Forum.
unidentified
Yes.
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's being presented like he did.
jordan holmes
Very strongly.
dan friesen
And so this makes me worried.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Lying?
dan friesen
Lying out the gate.
Well, and it makes me worried for where is this interview going to go.
And thankfully, I will say to Pascal's credit, it goes weird almost immediately.
alex jones
All right, Pascal Najati, thank you so much for joining us.
Your dad was a founding member of the WF, Klaus Schwab.
We looked it up.
That's on record.
He was assassinated in Malaysia.
Prominent Bahrainian banker.
Your father, Hussein Najati.
And you are speaking out as a Swiss citizen and as a humanitarian against what's happening.
Perhaps you should start at the beginning about your father, yourself, when you awoken, and then you do a great job in other videos laying out where we are.
But some of those videos are months old.
I want to get an update from you because the world really is awakening to the horror.
They thought we wouldn't be able to face this horror that was baked into it, but it's really backfired.
And where you think things are going from here?
So thank you so much for spending time with us.
I know it's in the evening there.
And so thank you.
pascal najadi
Well, I'm in your continent.
Alex, thank you very much.
alex jones
Oh, so you're over here, I know.
Okay.
pascal najadi
Well, who knows?
But everywhere, the Space Force can be everywhere.
No, I want to greet you specifically because it's an honor to be on your show.
And thank you very much for your time.
I want to greet your audience and all the human beings, human species, I call them now, because we are human species.
We have to be careful with this technology.
The world.
And I would like to say special gratitude to all the brave men and women that are in active war duty since March 27th, 2020, fighting for our liberty globally under the Title 50 USC, Section 1550, which is the Global Defense War that President Trump, wartime President Trump, current wartime President Trump and Commander-in-Chief of the United States has started.
A lot of respect to these people because they are in the secrecy.
No one can confirm it.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
We're off to the races.
jordan holmes
We've packed a lot in a very small space.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
Quite a bit.
But you know what?
Everything is just like, uh-oh, uh-oh.
Like, I'm on your continent.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, that's even like the rhythm is disrupted by that a little bit.
jordan holmes
But, like, okay, Alex made the mistake.
You're on Eastern Standard Time.
You're not in Central.
We get it.
dan friesen
No big deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'd like to greet all the humans.
jordan holmes
Ah!
dan friesen
Starting to get a little concerned.
Is this ice beneath me creaking?
alex jones
I think it might be.
jordan holmes
Then the active, the active duty thing.
Yep.
That is, I think what's so scary about that is there are so many possible things that he could be referencing, like I'm supporting active duty people that are like, I'm fucked up.
You supporting this is fucked up.
dan friesen
That's not what he's doing.
jordan holmes
But then him adding the layer of it's actually Trump who declared space war?
dan friesen
Current wartime president.
jordan holmes
Current wartime president Trump, space war.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So this has to do with an executive order that Trump signed on March 27th, 2020, Executive Order 13912, which covered the authorization to move some reservists to active duty thanks to the COVID pandemic.
The authority to do this was predicated on Proclamation 9994, which was the declaring of a state of emergency over COVID, which ended on May 11th, 2023.
By virtue of that emergency declaration, ending this executive order is null and void.
Either that or we're in a secret fucking war that's gone on for four years.
One of the two.
It's one of the two.
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I don't know anymore because I kept calling them humans, but now I need to call them human species or something.
dan friesen
Not human beings.
jordan holmes
Could be anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Could be anything at this point.
dan friesen
So we do know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I'm not, you know, I'm not making jokes about this or anything.
His dad was murdered.
That is true.
Yeah, I believe that.
And that his dad did have involvement with the World Economic Forum in 1981 to 1985.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And now it turns out that Pascal also ended up going to the World Economic Forum at some point in the 90s because he was working at a bank and they asked him to sponsor something.
I'll let him tell the story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's see because it's wild.
Let's hear this.
pascal najadi
And I was a banker in London and Dresdenbank was the second largest German bank in the 90s.
Deutsche Bank and then Dresdenbank and I was a board member of Dresden Bank London.
And Ref asked me to co-sponsor this thing.
I took a lot of money in my hands and not my money.
It was the bank's money.
And I had a big banner everywhere.
And I wanted to see myself what this was like.
And I went there to Salzburg.
It was the summer REF in 1998.
And at the castle in Salzburg on the rock, Schwab knows how to do this, right?
To make this big show.
He hosted a cocktail for the co-sponsors and the so-called global leaders, so they called me young global leaders.
I thought it's crazy.
And I went up to him because I didn't meet him.
I noticed his office doing all this paperwork with our lawyers and our people.
And I went up to him and said, hey, I'm the dude from Dresden Bank.
And nice to meet you.
Has Rob, you remember me?
The guy turned on his spot.
He literally ran away from me.
And I said, the guy has a problem with himself.
That's very rude on one hand.
And I couldn't comprehend it.
I think we spent about 350,000 Deutsche Marks at that time.
It was quite a lot of money to have a banner up there.
And I just felt disgusted.
Not because he didn't greet me.
I don't care if this guy says hello to me or not.
But I saw something else.
And if you take a light, it obliterates darkness.
It seems to me that I represented for him light, and he just couldn't stand my proximity.
alex jones
Well, let's speculate.
Do you think as your dad broke away from the group, being a founding member and used to lead panels, that he hadn't clicked that you were a sponsor and that's why he panicked?
Or why would he, when you just come over and say hi, freak out and run away?
pascal najadi
I don't know.
A mix of everything.
dan friesen
It's probably everything.
jordan holmes
I mean, I made this story up a long time ago, so I've had plenty of time to think up a possible motive, and yet somehow I still get away with not having one.
dan friesen
I think a great motive is I represented light and he was the darkness and he could not stand in my light.
jordan holmes
That is a good place to stop.
dan friesen
I do love this image.
It's 1998.
Cocktail party, castle, Salzburg.
jordan holmes
Kaus Schwab runs away from saved by the bell is on the TV screen.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Pascal Najoti, run.
jordan holmes
See, because I thought he was setting it up.
I thought he was setting us up for like a big Game of Thrones.
Like, they're at the Salzburg castle, and he pushes somebody off a bridge screaming, what is dead may never die or something.
And instead, it's just like, oh, he didn't want to talk to me.
dan friesen
He ran away from me.
jordan holmes
The whole story.
dan friesen
I could see, like, I always try to imagine the most details of this story being correct that I could believe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I could believe just about everything along the way.
Even Klaus Schwab walking away from him because he got called away or something like that.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
It's a coincidence.
Totally.
And Pascal's adding a whole lot of meaning to it.
And this is me being generous, accepting a lot of details of this story as just like, I'll stipulate that this is probably true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll just move on.
dan friesen
I can still see a benign explanation for this that isn't him running away from him.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
I can even see it.
dan friesen
It's fun.
jordan holmes
I can even see him making up this story just because Klaus was like, sorry, I can't.
And then he apologized and left, you know?
dan friesen
It's fun, though.
It's a fun story.
I have to admit that.
And Alex likes it.
And if I were Alex, I would be a lot more worried.
There are indications that this interview is not going to go well.
And Alex is ignoring them because there is good COVID conspiracism.
This guy is supposed to be adjacent to the World Economic Forum.
It's very attractive as an interview guest.
So we're going to ignore some glaring sirens that are saying, dude, get off the call.
Get off the call.
jordan holmes
There's a lot.
dan friesen
And here's one that I started to notice.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's saying that a lot of people are dead.
pascal najadi
The WF was a Kissinger CIA operation, a deep state operation.
Schwab was, he's executed, a fascist Nazi.
And he was interlinked with the Swiss government.
To be very clear, I'm a Swiss Air Force officer, and I gave an oath to protect the Constitution.
dan friesen
So Klaus Schwab is dead.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Apparently.
And I started to notice this.
A lot of people he's referencing have been taken out.
jordan holmes
Already executed.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Secretly.
dan friesen
And this just is said, and Alex doesn't push back.
It just goes on.
unidentified
So this is.
dan friesen
People keep popping up data.
pascal najadi
People be dying.
Broad-scale, state-sponsored.
That's what the almost said is state-sponsored mass murder of your own population.
alex jones
And they monetize it where they make money while they do it, which is not the money.
No, it's not about money.
I'm saying they know how to use money to fund it to make sure it's carried out.
pascal najadi
It was sponsored by the WHO, which is look, Bill Gates is executed.
Bill Gates was in bed with the rogue elements of the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified
Sure.
pascal najadi
And they were planning this, of course, and the biggest financier of WHO, go and check the website, was WHO's gone now.
Don't worry.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
pascal najadi
What's the Chinese, the Communist Party?
dan friesen
World Health Organization's gone.
Bill Gates is gone.
Don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
I'm interested in this kind of marie condoing of the narrative.
You know, like, oh, I just don't need this, so it's gone.
dan friesen
Yep.
If I were Alex, I'd be very worried.
jordan holmes
I would be done.
I would be like, excuse me?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's, you know, he's a guy who believes that he's been poisoned by the COVID vaccine.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he has a certain amount of popularity, I guess, on Rumble or something.
But there's some stuff that is just like, you got to deal with this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can't just ignore that he's saying that Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates are dead and the World Health Organization is gone.
jordan holmes
You know what it is?
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem with that, right?
Is because of AI and deepfakes and stuff like that.
In this world, you can't even really be like, I saw them on fucking TV holding today's newspaper.
You know, like, you can't even push back on them like that.
Because in the day before that, before AI and shit, you used to have to have a clone.
You used to have to have walk-ins.
You used to have to have a real reason for this stuff.
dan friesen
Hold on to that thought.
jordan holmes
Oh, tell me this.
Oh, thank you.
All of my complaints have been washed away.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
I've been baptized.
dan friesen
This might be more wacky Wednesday than we expected.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
So everything that's evil comes out of Geneva.
It's all Switzerland.
And Trump took it all out.
pascal najadi
Everything evil is in Geneva.
And it is correlated already.
At least the privilege to your President Trump to tell you the news.
But I declare the Swiss government right now is under control of the U.S. military completely.
That's good.
And all of these people who were involved worldwide, with IOTA involved in finance, touching, planning, orchestrating, propagating the COVID military grade biology.
alex jones
Hold on, Tasky On Najari.
Stay there.
dan friesen
Hold on.
All right.
Now, I got to think this over during the break.
jordan holmes
Not any time.
dan friesen
I have claimed that I've proven that your dad was the co-founder of the World Economic Forum.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I have been, I was pretty, you know, I was pretty excited about you as a whistleblower.
I built this up a little bit.
Now, as we're starting to have this conversation, you're telling me that Bill Gates is dead, Klaus Schwab is dead, the World Health Organization's gone, and Trump has used the military to take over martial law in Switzerland.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
I'm going to need to do something about this because I can't let this stand.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is too much.
jordan holmes
Here's what I would say: I would say, as we're going out to break, this is when Wayland Jennings' voiceover should have been like, who knows how Alex is going to handle this when we get back?
You know, like, that's where it goes.
dan friesen
Well, one, one, you know, option would be fake a tech difficulty.
jordan holmes
Great one.
dan friesen
Get off the line.
jordan holmes
It's a great option.
dan friesen
Another is to pretend you don't understand.
jordan holmes
That's a bad option.
alex jones
You're saying some things I follow, some things I don't, but I want to drill down to this.
Finish the point you were making before we hit break.
I want to ask Big Picture: how is it going for the New World Order?
Because I see videos.
dan friesen
Great.
alex jones
You know, with 50 million views and 300,000 comments and like, I can't find comments that are pro-Bill Gates.
I can't find stuff that's pro-Klaus Schwab.
I mean, do they realize that they launched this attack, did all this, injected everybody with poison, and now it's blown to their face?
I mean, this is crazy.
pascal najadi
Okay.
Look.
I'm here for a reason to tell you the truth.
I'm not talking nice about bad things.
I repeat Sergei Lavrov's word.
He's a great foreign minister of Russia.
Look, very simple.
They are satanic.
The Vatican was.
It's closed.
Pope Francis is executed.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Well, Vatican's gone.
Pope's done.
alex jones
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Now we're done.
Now we're done.
Now we got to re-up it, switch it around.
Tell me what isn't dead.
That's what you got to do now.
dan friesen
Hold on.
jordan holmes
I know Trump's not dead.
dan friesen
Hold on to that thought.
That's one guy.
We will get to some people who are still alive.
Okay.
But yeah, so we've got a lot of breaking news here.
jordan holmes
A lot of breaking news.
dan friesen
I will say that I admire Alex's.
I believe whenever I would play, when I was bad at sports, they'd call it like stick-to-itiveness.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, that sort of like you're focused.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex is still trying to make this work.
How are the globalists doing?
jordan holmes
How are they doing?
dan friesen
Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.
No one likes them.
Now, I've already heard you say that they're both dead.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
I mean, if nobody likes them, then, you know, sooner or later, you're going to get there.
dan friesen
He's still trying to hold on to this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thinking maybe we can salvage some shit.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
No, and certainly not.
And this is kind of where things are past the breaking point.
alex jones
So, what is the master plan?
And what do you think the globals are doing now?
Because everyone hates them.
Yeah, go ahead.
pascal najadi
Now they're finished.
jordan holmes
Sorry?
pascal najadi
Your current wartime president, my commander-in-chief, my commander-in-chief, Donald J. Trump, said it March 2023.
People should learn to listen to President Trump.
He never lied.
He always pulled it through.
And he said, I will totally obliterate the deep state.
Those were his words.
Now he said that already after it was done.
It's not visible yet.
Ellen Musk is gone.
Look at the dude.
It's not Ellen Musk anymore, isn't it?
Look at Macron.
This is not Macron.
Look at the official pictures of the Elysée.
It's not Macron anymore.
They're gone because the U.S. military and over 30 military forces without the leaders are under the control and command of the United States.
And the U.S. Space Force is the coordinating leader.
alex jones
So you're saying this is like Q stuff.
You're saying there's been a lot of people.
pascal najadi
No, no, no.
Excuse me.
How many fighter jets does Klaus did Klaus Schwab command or some Elon Musk or some Bezos?
How many warships?
Come on.
alex jones
None.
Get it.
pascal najadi
No.
They're finished.
dan friesen
They're finished.
Now, so here's where this becomes a problem for Alex.
And obviously, we're going to have to have some pushback.
We can have pretending to not understand that Klaus Schwab is dead and all this.
Alex is an old hat at that, pretending that Steve Pacenek didn't say complete nonsense that he said.
But if the globalists are gone, Alex's raison d'être is gone.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
There is nothing here if the globalists have secretly been taken care of.
This is like a pre-trib rapture for him.
He cannot handle this.
jordan holmes
It cannot stand.
dan friesen
So if the globalists are taken care of, go fuck yourself, man.
We're going to have to deal with this.
I can no longer ignore it.
jordan holmes
I think, here's what's funny.
dan friesen
But this is not Q stuff.
jordan holmes
This is absolutely not.
I would never indulge in somebody.
Insanity like Quite fool.
Here's what I think.
I imagine how difficult it must be to say Trump never lied.
Right?
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
It has to be like you, even his fans, like none of them actually believe he never lied.
Like, part of the appeal is he's good at lying, right?
He can lie through the other liars.
He lies as good as them and better, but doesn't lie to us.
Like, he's our liar.
Yeah.
I don't understand a guy who's like, he never lied.
dan friesen
Well, it's not a lie if there's a larger meaning to the lie.
So you can tell yourself that, and that way, lies are part of an honest strategy, something like that.
That could work.
jordan holmes
Dangerous words.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I also think that doing this on Alex's show is dangerous.
And we finally see in this next clip, Alex decides: all right, I got pushed back a little bit here.
alex jones
What do you make of Elon Musk?
Because he's certainly turned against the Globals.
He thinks they're done.
pascal najadi
No, that's not Elon Musk anymore.
It's not Elon Musk.
He's gone.
Ellen Musk is fake news.
Ellen Musk told people we go to Mars.
People, please think.
Did you see that rocket ship, that piece of metal, with traditional so-called rocket fuel?
You want to go on a seven-month voyage.
You want to go through the Allen belt, which is 4,000 metal melts at 1,200, 1,400.
It's all fake news.
The moon landing was fake.
We know it now, of course.
President Kennedy got wind that they were lying to him, and President Kennedy's alive.
jordan holmes
Whoa!
pascal najadi
He's alive.
And John JFK Jr. Is alive too.
He's the best friend of our current wartime president.
The system was rigged hundreds of years already.
NASA in Hebrew means to deceive.
What?
You guys had a solar eclipse, Alex.
Everybody saw it, right?
In Dallas, there was the shadow.
alex jones
Pascal Najani.
I gotta say this.
Your dad was a founding member.
We looked it up.
You made these amazing, informative videos, but you are now saying stuff that I, I mean, I just, well, we don't have any evidence of what evidence?
pascal najadi
Sorry, the war is on.
You go to the congressional website, please.
dan friesen
I got evidence.
I got things on.gov websites, buddy.
Yeah, Alex asking for evidence is going to be a really slippery game.
I mean, but he has had enough.
You can tell at this point, JFK is still alive.
jordan holmes
I'm out.
I'm out.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
I'm out.
Listen, at the very least, JFK is dead for sure in all of our cosmologies.
dan friesen
Well, no, because everyone else, Bill Gates, Clash Rob, all of them dead.
JFK is still alive.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm fine with them being dead.
I'm even fine with JFK Jr. being alive.
But seriously, we all have to find a bottom somewhere.
JFK is dead.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
I demand.
dan friesen
So, Hillary.
jordan holmes
What is she?
Well, fine.
Fine.
Actually, you know what?
That's my response to all Hillary things.
Fine.
dan friesen
She's gone.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
You see, Elon Musk has been killed and is a fake?
pascal najadi
It's gone.
But look at the photos.
People.
Please look at the photos of the dude.
It's not Ellen Musk anymore.
It's not.
It's not.
alex jones
Where's Hillary Clinton?
pascal najadi
She's gone.
I just published.
She's gone.
I even published the execution shot in Guantanamo Bay.
She's gone.
She was executing.
alex jones
Oh, you have a photo of her being executed.
unidentified
Yeah.
pascal najadi
It's in my video.
It's coming out tonight on Rumble.
I have all the photos of the people executed.
Obama, Clinton, Joe Biden.
They were traitors.
Clinton.
Okay, here's the deal for you, Alex.
2016, we had an election.
And Hillary Clinton, the Clintons, wanted to steal it with the deep state.
They wanted to kill us earlier with COVID, by the way.
But thanks to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks and the U.S. military intelligence and General Flynn and Special Operations, they were able to make a counter coup against Hillary Clinton and catch her.
They caught her red-handed, and President Trump said it.
We caught them all red-handed.
Obama knew it.
Clinton knew it.
Joe Biden knew it.
alex jones
No, no, I agree with you.
The globalist power structure is falling.
You can see that everywhere.
I didn't get nothing to do with it.
They're gone.
pascal najadi
Karl Schwab is gone.
He's executed.
Gone.
Our Delta forces took him out with the Swiss military coordinated.
The Swiss territory is under full control of the United States military right now as we speak.
unidentified
Love it.
alex jones
And the Pope's dead too.
pascal najadi
The Pope is executed.
Look at the picture.
The Easter address on the balcony.
dan friesen
Oh, poor Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Sir, my name is Alex Jones, and you have lost your mind.
dan friesen
Sir, I fucked up.
jordan holmes
And the Pope's dead too, huh?
dan friesen
But I have this booking.
unidentified
Every single part of this was a mistake.
jordan holmes
Man.
You know, again, sometimes there's just a gift of clarity.
Hitler equals bad.
Simple.
This guy.
Everything I've ever done is wrong because it led me to this guy.
Right?
Like, this is work back.
dan friesen
It's quite a snapshot.
Yeah.
I've got to imagine that Marjorie Taylor Greene is thrilled that she was on this episode, too.
jordan holmes
I forgot.
unidentified
We've left her so far back in the moon landing was faked.
dan friesen
So Alex brings up an important question.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that is.
jordan holmes
The Pope's dead?
dan friesen
Well, that was an important question.
But the secondary important question is: if the globalists are all gone, why am I still getting shit on?
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Why am I still persecuted?
And Pascal's answer is, you're not.
alex jones
So all I know is I'm still being persecuted by the deep state right now.
What is that?
pascal najadi
Why are you from who?
alex jones
Oh, my God.
I mean, it's just like, I mean, it's constant non-stop, trying to shut us down.
jordan holmes
No.
pascal najadi
No.
What you tell these people, it's very simple, Alex.
You inform them that they are under the U.S. Law of War Manual 2015, updated July 23.
And you tell them that they are under Title 50, USC 2381, influencing or meddling with local journalists, American.
alex jones
What about U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 50?
U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32.
jordan holmes
What do we do?
alex jones
Subsection 500 and I remember the exact code number.
You know about the code U.S. Title where it deals with secret testing on humans?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
He's very jealous that Pascal was saying numbers that he knew.
And so he tried three times to say his favorite subsection.
Oh, God, it's brutal.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
It never occurred to, in my imagination, this never happened.
But now I'm seeing it.
Okay.
I imagine Luke and Darth Vader facing off, holding their lightsabers, click the and then limp wet noodles pop out.
And then they kind of like wave them back and forth.
That is the section C51 comeback.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
Like that subsection that Alex is trying to come up with is a non-sequitur.
It is legitimately just, hey, this guy's saying fucking subsection.
I'm going to two.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
It's a lightsaber battle between words that don't mean anything.
dan friesen
But man, do I love the moment of why am I still being persecuted if the globalists are gone?
jordan holmes
You're not.
Quit complaining.
I do.
I love a good quit complaining.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is, it's, it's very, it's, it's almost refreshing to see somebody truly hit a brick wall who thought that brick walls didn't exist.
Because we've usually don't.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm so used to it.
dan friesen
Well, usually a lot of people who Alex ends up talking to are playing games and they're playing the same game as him and he's very able to influence the direction that things go.
But sometimes he runs into somebody who's playing a different game.
jordan holmes
A completely different game.
dan friesen
This is a different game.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yay was playing a different game.
jordan holmes
Just a different game.
dan friesen
It's just, it's the same thing.
You're not going to be able to influence this guy.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because JFK is still fucking alive.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You know that?
alex jones
And you say President Kennedy's still alive?
pascal najadi
He is alive.
unidentified
He is Q. Q is real.
alex jones
How old?
Guys, look up the birthday of JFK.
You got his back president in World War II.
There's not a lot of World War II that's left.
I don't think.
I disagree.
pascal najadi
I don't need you to agree with me.
It's non-negotiable.
jordan holmes
It's non-negotiable.
pascal najadi
JFK Jr. Hillary tried to kill him.
Yes, it's true.
They're all alive, well, and kicking.
All right?
And what's coming next will shock the people.
You'll see.
alex jones
So JFK would be 99 right now.
You're saying JFK is alive?
pascal najadi
Excuse me.
My father-in-law, my fiancé's father, just passed away at 101, and he was drinking champagne on his birthday.
alex jones
And he was running.
Okay, if he's Q, JFK, President JFK, is running major operations at 99 years old.
pascal najadi
No, no, no.
No, you've got his son, brilliant man.
He's about my age, a bit older, maybe.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are you stupid?
Come on, man.
Of course, JFK is still alive and in charge, but he lets his son do the busy work.
alex jones
Idiots.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
Do I have to do everything for you?
dan friesen
Think it through before you talk, Alex.
This is embarrassing.
God, what a fucking mess.
Just a mess.
jordan holmes
You have no more apt words to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is a mess.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex asks a very logical question, and that is, are you doing performance?
jordan holmes
Are you fucking with me?
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
Stop fucking with me.
alex jones
Pascal Najati, I really, really, really appreciate you coming on here.
pascal najadi
I'd like to say one thing.
alex jones
No, no, no.
You say whatever you want.
You say whatever you want.
I'm asking a question.
You come off as really believing what you're saying.
Is this performance art?
Or is this to discredit things?
Or you really?
Because the poison shot's real, but now you're off in the Easter Bunny Santa Claus area.
pascal najadi
No, Excuse me.
dan friesen
No.
pascal najadi
That would be an insult to all brave men and women, my comrades, not in the U.S. military, but of 33 or 34.
We don't know exactly.
Military organizations that are fighting for your and our liberty right now.
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is disrespecting.
jordan holmes
Can't disrespect the 30 to 34 troops.
dan friesen
have no way of knowing how many organizations uh but uh it's all secret and so yeah this is this is uh he's no he's serious I wonder.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I wonder.
Is he happy?
dan friesen
Who?
jordan holmes
This dude.
unidentified
Is he doing great?
jordan holmes
Is he having a good life?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, maybe he is.
You know?
dan friesen
Like, if his backstory of being a fairly successful banker is true, then he's probably comfortable.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Like, you know, like, there's a part of me that's like whenever you're this guy, you know, whenever you're, when you're throwing JFK still alive.
Right.
You know, I stop thinking about people engaging in our reality, and I start thinking about like uncontacted tribes.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they believe all kinds of shit, right?
And they have no idea.
And you're not going to give them a phone.
dan friesen
Well, I think a lot of anxiety comes from uncertainty.
Sure.
And when you have just decided certainty around everything, 100%.
I think that it would have an impact in making you probably a little bit more comfortable generally.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I could see him being pretty happy.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, like, I'm not saying that this is a model that we should like.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, of course not.
But I am saying that in the competition between these two specifically, I would rather be this guy than Alex.
dan friesen
He does seem happier than Alex.
Right?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not, as long as there's no, like, it has to be one or the other.
dan friesen
No, don't, don't, make a false choice.
jordan holmes
Okay, don't make this.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, you don't have to choose one of these.
jordan holmes
Oh, thank God.
dan friesen
So Hillary is gone.
jordan holmes
Yes.
unidentified
But you might notice that she's been going around giving speeches.
jordan holmes
I have noticed that.
She even tweeted something that was very stupid.
dan friesen
Little do you know?
There's clones.
pascal najadi
Get me Clinton online, and then he can have whatever he wants from me.
She doesn't exist anymore.
Gone.
alex jones
I mean, she's been at universities giving speeches.
pascal najadi
There's doubles.
We spent a billion dollars on clones, man.
unidentified
Yes.
Okay.
pascal najadi
Technology.
unidentified
Yes.
pascal najadi
That's not Philly Clinton.
alex jones
Well, I'll say this.
Joe Biden doesn't look like Joe Biden.
pascal najadi
Joe Biden, his name is mostly Arthur Roberts.
alex jones
I don't know where I'm going under.
jordan holmes
Are we doing myths?
alex jones
Dude.
jordan holmes
Are we doing bits?
dan friesen
I guess.
I don't know.
It seems strange for Alex to play into his thing.
Like, hey, man, we spent a billion dollars on clones, dude.
alex jones
Yeah, Joe Biden doesn't look like him.
Doesn't look like Joe Biden.
jordan holmes
That's like a tick or an instinct.
I don't know what that is.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
But he has to do that.
Like, if there's something like that, he's like, oh, also, Biden's clone.
Like, he just does it.
dan friesen
And I like the proof that Hillary Clinton doesn't exist anymore, is that you can't get her on the phone.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Duh.
unidentified
So.
jordan holmes
If I have never been able to get her on the phone, she's never existed.
I might posit that that is not good evidence for me.
dan friesen
So look, she's a clone.
Everybody's a clone.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Except JFK.
He's alive.
jordan holmes
And he's going to be a clone.
dan friesen
This interview didn't go great.
jordan holmes
Why can't JFK Jr. be a clone of JFK?
dan friesen
Maybe he is.
We don't know, actually.
This is something for the next interview.
jordan holmes
Can they see now?
This is where.
See, this is the shit, though.
Once you throw in clones, now we're talking artificial aging.
You're telling me that we can accelerate the growth of the clone so she looks like she's however old she is now, but the clone itself is only 20 years old.
We haven't had technology for that long, man.
Dahlia the sheep has only been around for so long.
We don't have the technology to like artificially age clones.
Has she always been a clone?
How long have we had cloning technology since the 1920s?
Is JFK still alive?
dan friesen
We've had cloning forever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And they're not artificially aged.
They just knew when Hillary Clinton was born because of psychics that she was going to be important.
So they made two of her.
They made an extra.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's so many people.
dan friesen
Come on, man.
You're embarrassing yourself.
unidentified
Look out.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
This interview wasn't good.
jordan holmes
It didn't go great.
dan friesen
No.
Kind of fell apart.
Seemed like a great idea to talk to the guy whose dad co-founded the WEF.
Yeah.
I understand why that would be irresistible.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But he gets a bad review from Alex at the end here.
pascal najadi
God's hand is guiding us.
He's guided me to the truth.
And the new world only has room for truth.
We are done with bullshit.
We're done with the lies from governments.
That's all I can say.
You're the safest country on the world right now.
United States of America.
alex jones
Thank you.
Thank you.
And I appreciate you.
Take care.
pascal najadi
Thank you.
alex jones
Okay, I'm going to give people my approximation.
It's only my opinion.
The world is gone completely insane.
And people cannot handle the incredible bioweapon attack we've been under.
And you've got people loving Hitler.
And we've got people believing that the deep state's been defeated.
And I don't think that guy came off like a con artist.
is completely out of his mind.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate this.
Is the very first time, I think, where I can give an unqualified, I agree, Alex.
unidentified
Shit is nuts out there.
dan friesen
The world has gone mad.
Yep.
I don't know of any other time that I've heard an interview with Alex end with him being like, that dude was nuts.
jordan holmes
That dude's nuts.
I don't know what to tell you.
That dude's nuts.
dan friesen
And I think he could have gotten away with everything except for his worldview removing the threat of the globalists.
I think that that's really the bridge that's too far.
Alex probably would have him back if he was just like, all these people are dead.
Secretly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the globalists have told you that they're, so you think that the way with clones even though, yeah, yeah.
It's not.
Listen, you're right.
You should be mad at Klaus Schwab.
Klaus Schwab is dead, though.
The person who's doing Klaus Schwab's job is this person now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, it's the job that's the same.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just that Schwab is dead.
dan friesen
The people who are above him are not dead, and they are the ones you need to be worried about.
jordan holmes
Once you've gotten rid of the conspiracy, that's the whole thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, once the threat that sort of animates and motivates you to believe Alex's dumb shit is gone, then we just can't do anything here.
You're not somebody who I will ever talk to again.
Yeah.
I regret saying that I proved that your dad founded the WEF.
jordan holmes
It was a bad move.
dan friesen
But whatever.
So Alex has to try and spin this.
alex jones
How?
dan friesen
Well, I think he does.
No, I was going to say a decent job.
He doesn't.
alex jones
Because I see guests.
I think, hey, get this guy on, get that person on.
We don't, you know, do a good vetting.
I take they are.
But I noticed that guy's never talked like that that I've seen for years.
He comes on my show and then he just slits his wrist on air.
If he is doing it on purpose, he is an incredible actor.
No, that came off as pure Menelaus.
And who can blame somebody cracking up in a trench?
God is the answer to all this.
That's why they say there is no atheist in a foxhole.
Well, there are not a lot of sane people in a foxhole either.
That's an Alex Jones quote.
Insanity lives in foxholes.
dan friesen
That's an Alex Jones quote.
jordan holmes
Just to be clear, in response to this man saying this clearly dead guy is still alive, I'm going to talk about God.
dan friesen
So Alex, I think, is trying to imply that Pascal was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He says a bunch of really good stuff for Alex, like the anti-WEF stuff and the COVID conspiracies, but then he injects all the the globalists are dead thing to discredit the message.
But he wasn't saying all that wacky stuff before.
So he must just be saying this as an attempt to blow things up in Alex's face.
In reality, Pascal's been saying this stuff pretty regularly for a while, and Alex just does zero vetting of his guests.
His dad wasn't a co-founder of the WEF, and if Alex had taken one look on this dude's Rumble channel, he would have seen videos with titles like The Storm Is Upon Us or quote, fact traitor, former VP under Traitor Obama, the real Joe Biden, has been executed for treason and COVID psyop, buried January 20th, 2021.
That was from like a month ago, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
But the idea of interviewing the son of the co-founder of the WEF, who has some shit to talk about, Klaus Schwab, is just too irresistible for Alex.
And it got him into this situation where he's interviewing someone who even he has to admit is out of his mind.
And that can't be Alex's fault for not looking into his guests because, you know, if that's the reality, it tends to call into question how well he vests any of the people that come on his show and say insane things.
And then the whole House of Cards falls apart and you realize all of these very prestigious doctors and lieutenant colonels and section chiefs maybe are the same kind of credibility.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
Because once you truly entertain the idea that this guy said something that's so crazy, it cannot possibly be true.
Like, once you've created that hard and fast, here is a rule, then you have to start applying that backwards, and that's bad for everybody.
dan friesen
Not if the person was saying it as an attack.
Right, right, right.
Then you got caught up in a psyop.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's probably a psyop.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Otherwise, you're like, oh, well, if this person is demonstrably, literally lying to me or is just crazy, who else?
And you can't have that thought.
dan friesen
No, it does.
Like I said, it starts to unravel things a little bit.
But yeah, that's where we take our exit.
I'd say a mess.
You know, it's a strange day at the office for Alex.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's kind of funny is that immediately after Alex said JFK was 99, I was like, my grandfather died at 101.
And then his dad died at 101.
And I did, like, it's just like, man.
dan friesen
I also think Alex's math is off.
JFK would be older than that.
But regardless.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just like, Alex, you have done the absolute wrongest way of approaching the idea of somebody telling you JFK is still alive, being like, ah, he would be 99.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Well, I think that he did.
I think that is a-okay.
Maybe, maybe he's 99 isn't the end-all be-all, but like he had a bad back from World War II.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
That's maybe a little bit more.
It helps you put into perspective.
jordan holmes
I get it.
dan friesen
He was in bad health when he was alive, alive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Famously, he was unable to fuck good because his back hurts so bad.
dan friesen
But maybe that was a psych.
jordan holmes
Ooh, now that should be a psych to trick us into thinking that he's dead when he's actually alive.
He's actually still alive.
dan friesen
We were planning that back in the 60s.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I don't know what to say.
Just a total mess of an episode.
I don't think he did a great deep dive on Hitler.
I think this booking was a disaster, but amusing.
At least it was amusing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do think that's always kind of.
I mean, this is the faintest fucking praise in the world.
And I know it's cynically calculated on Alex's part.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But at least he doesn't put up with this.
At least there is like something that is like, nah, you're talking bullshit here.
jordan holmes
It does feel like Alex in some way agrees with me that at the end of the floor is JFK's fucking dead.
Okay?
I don't care who you think did it.
Somebody did it.
Could have been.
It doesn't matter.
But he is fucking dead.
Okay.
dan friesen
Is this the.
jordan holmes
That's the floor.
dan friesen
That's the reality that we must anchor everything to.
Yes.
Everyone needs to.
So if you believe the JFK is alive.
jordan holmes
Everything's wrong.
dan friesen
Then, okay.
jordan holmes
But if, but as long as JFK is dead.
dan friesen
We've created a kernel of shared reality.
jordan holmes
Yes.
I think that actually might be a good place to start.
JFK is fucking dead.
Everyone spread the word.
dan friesen
I think we need a little more than that.
But for now, it may be as best as we're going to get.
jordan holmes
It feels that way.
dan friesen
So we'll be back with another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're not on social media.
jordan holmes
We're not.
dan friesen
And Elon Musk apparently is a clone.
So we're definitely not on Twitter.
unidentified
Absolutely.
But we'll be back.
dan friesen
Until then, I'm Neo Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
Yeah, woo!
alex jones
Yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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