Knowledge Fight - #888: The Debate Of The Century, Part 1
Aired: 2024-01-12
Duration: 03:28:07


=== Silver Mount Zion (03:54) ===

[00:00:20]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and George.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:34]  Need money.
[00:00:39]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:42]  Stop it.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding us.
[00:00:50]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:51]  I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:56]  KnowledgeFight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody!
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:07]  Oh, indeed we are.
[00:01:07]  Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan!
[00:01:09]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:11]  What's your advice about today, buddy?
[00:01:12]  Uh, look.
[00:01:12]  You gotta cut the bullshit because...
[00:01:14]  No bullshit.
[00:01:15]  Well, look.
[00:01:15]  We don't have time.
[00:01:16]  Today, we had a long way to go and a short time to get there.
[00:01:18]  Let's roll.
[00:01:19]  We're gonna do what they say can't be done, so I have no time to fuck around on this and go with a long, bright spot talking about how much I love traitors.
[00:01:26]  Listen.
[00:01:26]  Okay.
[00:01:27]  It's Thursday.
[00:01:28]  Right.
[00:01:28]  I woke up this morning.
[00:01:29]  Yeah.
[00:01:29]  There's a new Hey Randy and a new episode of the Doughboys with Tim Bolts on it.
[00:01:34]  It's a Tim Bolts day.
[00:01:36]  That's great.
[00:01:36]  Very exciting.
[00:01:36]  That's a great day.
[00:01:37]  One of the funniest dudes.
[00:01:38]  Oh, Tim Bolts is on Doughboys.
[00:01:40]  Yeah.
[00:01:40]  That's great.
[00:01:41]  Yeah.
[00:01:41]  I listened to it as I was falling asleep last night, so I was actually lying that I said I woke up and they were both there.
[00:01:46]  Nah, it's fine.
[00:01:47]  But I was laughing as I fell asleep.
[00:01:48]  That's great.
[00:01:49]  Guy is damn hilarious.
[00:01:51]  That is fantastic.
[00:01:52]  Yeah, he is very funny.
[00:01:53]  Anyway, what's your bright spot?
[00:01:54]  My bright spot is a song, Built Then Burnt, Hurrah Hurrah, by the Silver Mount Zion Orchestra and Tra La La Band.
[00:02:03]  Ooh, I thought that name was going to end a couple times.
[00:02:07]  The Silver Mount Zion Orchestra and Tra La La Band.
[00:02:11]  That's a good name.
[00:02:11]  Or I can't remember.
[00:02:13]  It's a long name and it gets longer on different albums.
[00:02:16]  It should be V with two E's.
[00:02:18]  It is.
[00:02:18]  It is?
[00:02:19]  It is.
[00:02:20]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:02:21]  They're way ahead of you.
[00:02:23]  No, so this song, it's from like 20 years ago.
[00:02:27]  But...
[00:02:27]  I just recently listened to it again, and I can't stop because there's a poem that's read by...
[00:02:33]  So to give you an idea of the Silver Mount Zion, imagine if music was kind of unlistenable, but for people who really like music.
[00:02:41]  Oh, that's what I was imagining.
[00:02:41]  Yep, it's about that.
[00:02:42]  Yeah, the name gave it away.
[00:02:43]  The Silver Mount Zion and the Chalala Law Band Orchestra?
[00:02:46]  No?
[00:02:46]  Okay, all right, fine.
[00:02:48]  The only way to make that more pretentious is if they added and general store at the end or something like that.
[00:02:53]  They're from Canada, and half of them are in Godspeed you, Black Emperor.
[00:02:56]  It's great.
[00:02:57]  It's fantastic.
[00:03:00]  But yeah, it's this poem that is read by a kid.
[00:03:04]  And I swear to you, it is one of the most inspiring, brilliant poems.
[00:03:10]  And the reading of it is astonishing.
[00:03:13]  I could teach that so much.
[00:03:15]  And it's just so beautiful.
[00:03:17]  And it is like, we'll make you want to run through a brick wall for freedom and shit.
[00:03:23]  It is like a truly inspiring...
[00:03:26]  Fucking brothers and sisters, you know, it's fucking great.
[00:03:30]  That's great.
[00:03:30]  That does sound good, even though I am averse to just the name gave me a little...
[00:03:35]  Sure, sure.
[00:03:36]  Oh, no, I wouldn't listen to it for the music.
[00:03:38]  You have to...
[00:03:39]  But for the poem.
[00:03:40]  For the poem, 100%.
[00:03:42]  100%.
[00:03:43]  I hate to say, you know, because it sounds...
[00:03:47]  Sounds a little uncultured and shit of me, but for the longest time I had a real aversion to believing that there was really much even to spoken word poems.
[00:03:57]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:03:58]  But in, you know, not the last few years, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten to really realize how much of a skill that is and how much artistry there is to...

=== Why Not Read Rilke Original? (06:36) ===

[00:04:09]  To that performance style.
[00:04:10]  Yeah.
[00:04:12]  I'm still a little uncultured.
[00:04:14]  I'm still not...
[00:04:15]  Are you telling me that you're not reading Rilke in the original German?
[00:04:19]  I'm not.
[00:04:19]  How dare you, my friend?
[00:04:21]  No.
[00:04:21]  The sound is better.
[00:04:23]  It's all about enunciation.
[00:04:25]  Yeah, it does lose something.
[00:04:27]  Without the khz.
[00:04:28]  Without the khz, yeah.
[00:04:29]  And the big S that looks like a B. I mean, honestly, for all the jokes that people do make about German as a language, Rilke does make it actually very...
[00:04:38]  Beautiful.
[00:04:38]  It's gorgeous.
[00:04:39]  That's what poetry does.
[00:04:40]  He's real good.
[00:04:41]  He's real good.
[00:04:42]  So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and like I said, no time for...
[00:04:45]  No time.
[00:04:45]  No time.
[00:04:46]  No frills.
[00:04:46]  No time for love, Dr. Jones.
[00:04:48]  Because this shit is a mess.
[00:04:51]  Thank God he's having a renaissance.
[00:04:53]  So we can make those.
[00:04:54]  Indiana Jones?
[00:04:55]  No, K. Hoi Kahn.
[00:04:57]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:58]  Yeah, he's having a renaissance.
[00:05:00]  Yeah.
[00:05:00]  Still feels weird.
[00:05:01]  But, um, I mean, the...
[00:05:04]  The short round?
[00:05:05]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:05:06]  Yep.
[00:05:07]  So, before we get down to business, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
[00:05:12]  Oh, that's a great idea.
[00:05:12]  So first, and this podcast is brought to you by a John Birch Society Genius Grant.
[00:05:16]  May the invisible hand tilt the board ever in your favor.
[00:05:19]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:19]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:20]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:22]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:22]  Thank you.
[00:05:23]  Next, Ronnie, with an I. I blame you for this.
[00:05:25]  Thank you.
[00:05:26]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:27]  You're not a policy wonk.
[00:05:27]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:28]  Next, Tim the Enchanter.
[00:05:29]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:30]  You're not a policy wonk.
[00:05:31]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:32]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:33]  That's a good class.
[00:05:33]  Yeah.
[00:05:34]  Next, my dog Copernicus renounced Jesus, too.
[00:05:37]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:37]  You're not a policy wonk.
[00:05:38]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:39]  Thank you very much.
[00:05:40]  And shout out to all the Nick Cave fans listening to this.
[00:05:43]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:43]  You're not a policy wonk.
[00:05:44]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:46]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:47]  Big ups.
[00:05:47]  Red right hand and such.
[00:05:48]  Uh-huh.
[00:05:50]  We got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
[00:05:51]  So thank you so much to the not-so-dulcet tones of Alex Jones makes my bones feel heavier than stones.
[00:05:57]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:58]  You're now a technocrat.
[00:05:59]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:00]  Four stars.
[00:06:01]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:06:03]  Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:06:06]  Daddy Shark.
[00:06:07]  Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
[00:06:08]  Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:06:12]  He's a loser little, little titty baby.
[00:06:16]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:06:17]  I renounce Jesus Christ!
[00:06:19]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:20]  Yes, thank you very much.
[00:06:21]  So, Jordan.
[00:06:21]  Should have read that in the original German.
[00:06:24]  Yeah, probably.
[00:06:25]  Rhymes rubs pretty good.
[00:06:26]  Yeah.
[00:06:26]  I intended to sort of pause a little bit in the middle, and then the rhymes just kept coming.
[00:06:33]  They just kept going.
[00:06:33]  Yeah.
[00:06:34]  Almost ran out of breath.
[00:06:35]  Couldn't stop.
[00:06:36]  So, Jordan.
[00:06:37]  Today we have an episode to do.
[00:06:38]  And I will be up front with everybody from the jump.
[00:06:42]  There's going to be a cliffhanger at the end.
[00:06:43]  This is part one of two.
[00:06:45]  Part one of two.
[00:06:45]  The next part will come out on Monday.
[00:06:47]  We'll finish this all up.
[00:06:48]  But there's just no fucking way this was going to all end up being one episode.
[00:06:52]  It's too much.
[00:06:53]  It's a mess.
[00:06:54]  Holy shit.
[00:06:56]  God.
[00:06:56]  Oh.
[00:06:57]  Sucks.
[00:06:58]  So.
[00:06:59]  Backstory here is that a little bit before, maybe on the 4th or so of January, it came to my attention that Alex was engaging in a debate on January 6th about whether or not January 6th was a manufactured event.
[00:07:15]  A false flag, if you will.
[00:07:17]  1-6 on 1-6.
[00:07:18]  Exactly.
[00:07:19]  Big celebration of the third anniversary.
[00:07:21]  Right, right, right.
[00:07:22]  Murderer's row of participants in it, which we'll get through as they get introduced to the proceedings.
[00:07:28]  Right.
[00:07:29]  But I saw this, and I was like, first of all, I don't want to watch this.
[00:07:32]  No.
[00:07:32]  Second of all, I don't think we're going to cover this, because it looked like some bullshit, and I just said...
[00:07:37]  Best laid plans.
[00:07:38]  I just said, skip this.
[00:07:40]  Not good.
[00:07:41]  Got too many requests from people to cover it.
[00:07:44]  A lot of folks saying, I really want you guys to filter this for me, that kind of thing.
[00:07:50]  So I made the fucking accident of watching it.
[00:07:54]  And then you couldn't stop yourself.
[00:07:56]  Yes!
[00:07:57]  Ah, goddammit, Dan.
[00:07:58]  As I watched it, I realized, like, ah, there's stuff to talk about here, there's content, and then it just sort of cascaded to the point where I texted you and I said, this is going to be another fucking documentary coverage.
[00:08:11]  It's a three and a half hour long non-debate debate.
[00:08:16]  Three and a half hours!
[00:08:18]  Yeah.
[00:08:18]  Jesus Christ.
[00:08:19]  Yep.
[00:08:20]  And so today's episode will cover, I don't know, maybe about the first hour and a half.
[00:08:24]  Sure.
[00:08:26]  We'll wrap it up on Monday.
[00:08:28]  Okay.
[00:08:29]  Oh, man.
[00:08:31]  Here we go.
[00:08:31]  Get ready.
[00:08:32]  All right.
[00:08:32]  Strap it in.
[00:08:33]  Who are the main players?
[00:08:35]  Well, I can tell you all the lineup.
[00:08:37]  Okay, yeah.
[00:08:38]  Give me the lineup on the Coachella list.
[00:08:41]  We're going to talk about them each as they get introduced.
[00:08:43]  Sure, sure.
[00:08:44]  On the side of believing that January 6th was a false flag.
[00:08:49]  Yes.
[00:08:49]  For your starting Chicago Bulls!
[00:08:53]  1996 Chicago Bulls.
[00:08:55]  We have Luke Longley.
[00:08:59]  Oh, God.
[00:09:01]  BJ Armstrong.
[00:09:03]  Oh, that was the 91 team, man.
[00:09:05]  Oh, sorry.
[00:09:05]  Come on, come on.
[00:09:07]  96 was Rodman.
[00:09:09]  I was a Knicks fan.
[00:09:10]  I don't know why, either.
[00:09:12]  I liked Anthony Mason.
[00:09:16]  His stuff shaved into his head.
[00:09:18]  Right, right, right.
[00:09:19]  And John Starks.
[00:09:19]  That was a big John Starks guy.
[00:09:21]  Yeah, you do love it when people get punched in the dick.
[00:09:24]  I don't know if that was why.
[00:09:25]  Yeah, Starks is a guy who punches people.
[00:09:27]  I remember it was so validating when I was watching the Chris Gethard show and he had John Starks on.
[00:09:33]  Yeah.
[00:09:34]  And he was talking about how much he loved John Starks.
[00:09:36]  I was like, I feel the same.
[00:09:37]  Yeah, that is true.
[00:09:39]  It was weird.
[00:09:40]  So, the starting lineup.
[00:09:42]  Yes.
[00:09:42]  On that side, we have Alex Jones.
[00:09:45]  Right.
[00:09:46]  Darren Beattie, who's the guy who publishes Revolver News, which is that drudge knockoff, and Glenn Greenwald.
[00:09:53]  Okay.
[00:09:54]  So that's on that side.
[00:09:55]  Right.
[00:09:56]  On the other side, you have the Krasenstein brothers, so that's two of them.
[00:10:00]  One of them I think doesn't talk much at all, and I fell into the habit of calling them Bed as a collective name because it's Brian and Ed, and I don't know which one is talking often, so they're just going to be called Bed.
[00:10:13]  Are they twins?
[00:10:15]  I don't know.
[00:10:16]  Okay.
[00:10:16]  I don't think so.
[00:10:17]  You don't think so?
[00:10:18]  I think one is older.
[00:10:19]  They're close enough in age.

=== Counterculture Voices: Zero Hedge Debate (04:23) ===

[00:10:21]  They're Irish twins.
[00:10:22]  They're of similar age.
[00:10:23]  Gotcha.
[00:10:24]  And then Destiny.
[00:10:25]  The streamer Destiny is the other person who is on the January 6th actually happened site.
[00:10:30]  Yes.
[00:10:31]  And then we have a moderator.
[00:10:33]  Okay.
[00:10:33]  Who does not do his job.
[00:10:35]  And so that's the lineup.
[00:10:36]  These are the voices that you're going to hear and the people who are going to express varying degrees of...
[00:10:44]  Bad ideas.
[00:10:45]  Bad stuff.
[00:10:46]  I will say that they...
[00:10:48]  I hate to say this, and it's going to tilt my hand a little bit.
[00:10:53]  I was impressed by the Krasensteins.
[00:10:56]  I think they're terrible, and I have no use for them.
[00:11:01]  Actually, you know what?
[00:11:02]  I'm going to keep an open mind.
[00:11:03]  I'm fine with that.
[00:11:04]  If you have come around on thinking that you can be impressed by what amounts to a vacuous void of emptiness.
[00:11:11]  Let me be clear.
[00:11:12]  My expectations were in the toilet.
[00:11:14]  That's what I was thinking.
[00:11:14]  So you reached the top of the bowl.
[00:11:17]  Still in the toilet.
[00:11:18]  Not a lot of people make it out of the toilet.
[00:11:20]  Right.
[00:11:20]  That's just fair.
[00:11:21]  So we start where the debate starts with the moderator coming in.
[00:11:26]  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
[00:11:27]  The second Zero Hedge debate.
[00:11:29]  It is an honor and a privilege to be asked to moderate this debate.
[00:11:31]  I'm Ian Crossland.
[00:11:32]  I'm going to be moderating tonight.
[00:11:34]  And the debate tonight is going to be about January 6, 2021.
[00:11:38]  Some things happened on that day, and we're going to be talking about them.
[00:11:41]  Or did they?
[00:11:42]  We have an incredible panel of human beings that I'm going to be introducing shortly.
[00:11:45]  Before I do, I want to talk a little bit about Zero Hedge, who's putting on the debate.
[00:11:49]  Zero Hedge was a company founded in 2009.
[00:11:51]  a libertarian, fiercely independent and counterculture news organization.
[00:11:55]  Yeah, so Zero Hedge isn't a fiercely independent and counterculture news organization.
[00:11:59]  It's an extreme right-wing conspiracy-laden shithole with an adolescent understanding of being iconoclastic or transgressive.
[00:12:06]  Sure.
[00:12:06]  Their level of being counterculture is their high school senior-ass obsession with Tyler Durden, who's the avatar of their site.
[00:12:12]  That's who these guys are!
[00:12:15]  Yeah.
[00:12:15]  I remember reading one of those being like...
[00:12:18]  That's probably not the guy who wrote that, but they're all by the guy.
[00:12:22]  Yeah, it's the anonymous pen name.
[00:12:23]  Right, right, right, I gotcha, I gotcha.
[00:12:24]  The person who ran the site went anonymously, writing under that pen name of Tyler Durden for years, until it came out in 2016 that it was actually a man named Daniel Evandijewski, who is actually a former securities trader who got in trouble and banned from that field in 2008 for insider trading.
[00:12:39]  Kind of ironic that this scammy financial market guy was walking around pretending to be Tyler Durden, a fictional character whose primary ideology is rejected.
[00:12:48]  Yeah.
[00:12:49]  Kind of makes you think that maybe they didn't really understand Fight Club and just thought Brad Pitt looked really cool in that movie and they wanted to look cool.
[00:12:56]  He did look pretty cool.
[00:12:57]  He does, and that's why their avatar is him with his shirt on.
[00:13:00]  Yeah, man!
[00:13:01]  God, he's so ripped!
[00:13:02]  Looks cool smoking a cigarette.
[00:13:03]  Fucking hell, yeah.
[00:13:04]  So, in addition to this being put on by Zero Hedge and held at Infowars Studios, I didn't tell you that, it's in Alex's studio.
[00:13:10]  Okay.
[00:13:11]  This debate is also being moderated by one of Tim Pool's least competent co-hosts, Ian Crossland.
[00:13:16]  That shouldn't even be a thing.
[00:13:18]  You shouldn't have more than one co-host.
[00:13:22]  Sometimes people aren't available, so there's sort of a little bit of a rotating weirdo crew.
[00:13:26]  Brutal.
[00:13:27]  I've not watched a ton of Tim Pool's episodes, but in every one I do, I go in expecting to hate Luke Radowski the most, and then inevitably, Tim will swing through and lose the crown to Ian.
[00:13:39]  Ian will just, like, outdo him.
[00:13:41]  He's an amazing blend of hostile, stupid, and kooky that never fails to disappoint.
[00:13:46]  All right.
[00:13:46]  Even Tim's audience doesn't really seem to like Ian that much.
[00:13:49]  If their Reddit is anything to go by.
[00:13:50]  Quote, they keep him around as a reminder of how dumb a percentage of the population is.
[00:13:55]  Quote, he's nothing but Tim's punching bag.
[00:13:57]  Quote, he's there so Tim can disagree and make Tim look smart.
[00:14:01]  Many people even suggest that the only reason that Tim has eaten around is because people don't like him so much, and that outrage is a constant source of negative attention, and in their business, all attention is good attention.
[00:14:13]  Tim Pool is operating under the Elvis form of entourage building.
[00:14:18]  Maybe.
[00:14:19]  Okay, that makes sense.
[00:14:19]  Some people have speculated.
[00:14:21]  Yeah, no, I'm understanding this, yeah.
[00:14:23]  If I had to bet it's a mixture of, like, this business calculation of, like, he brings in negative attention, and that's great.

=== Kanye On Judaism (03:55) ===

[00:14:29]  Sure.
[00:14:29]  Mixed with the fact that sitting next to Ian makes Tim look smart with a little bit of, I'm sure Ian works for cheap thrown in for flavor.
[00:14:36]  Right, right, right.
[00:14:36]  Ian's a really interesting cat, though.
[00:14:38]  For instance, who can forget this classic Ian Crossland moment?
[00:14:42]  But who knows at the end of the day?
[00:14:44]  What do you think, Ian?
[00:14:44]  You're more of an empath than intuitive person.
[00:14:47]  I was thinking about this as, like, the long term.
[00:14:50]  Like, where is this along the path of humanity when we look back in a thousand years?
[00:14:54]  Like, what was happening right now?
[00:14:56]  What will they remember it happening?
[00:14:58]  I think what's happening is, crazy it is, is Kanye's waking up a bunch of Jewish people and pointing them to God.
[00:15:05]  Like, last night on that Gavin McGinnis interview, I'll explain it.
[00:15:08]  Gavin was like, I don't know about that one, Ian.
[00:15:10]  Yeah, Gavin's like...
[00:15:12]  Because Nick was saying, oh, there's a cabal, or they were saying there's a cabal of people that are preventing Kanye from, you know, getting to another echelon of wealth or whatever.
[00:15:18]  There's a cabal, and Kanye's like, it's the Jewish people.
[00:15:21]  And Gavin was like, I don't think they're Jewish.
[00:15:24]  If you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish.
[00:15:25]  And it's something I said last week, too.
[00:15:26]  So, Gavin, if you're listening, hell yeah, dude.
[00:15:28]  Nice one.
[00:15:29]  And it's true.
[00:15:30]  No, no, no.
[00:15:31]  That's not true.
[00:15:31]  Let me finish, please.
[00:15:32]  I understand, but I want to, like, if you make a point, just explain.
[00:15:37]  If you make, like, 12 points in a row...
[00:15:38]  We can't address all of them.
[00:15:39]  It's called the Gish Gallop.
[00:15:40]  So you said a few things right now that I think need to be addressed.
[00:15:43]  One, you can be ethnically Jewish and not religious.
[00:15:46]  Yeah, well, I think you need a different word for that.
[00:15:48]  Okay, well, that's an important thing to make to explain.
[00:15:51]  It's like saying the word means two different things.
[00:15:53]  It's nonsense.
[00:15:53]  The word means something.
[00:15:55]  What does the word mean?
[00:15:56]  What does Jewish mean?
[00:15:57]  Let's define it and move on.
[00:15:58]  Give me two definitions.
[00:15:59]  You can say religiously or you can say ethnically.
[00:16:01]  Well, I'm just talking about the word.
[00:16:04]  What does the word mean?
[00:16:04]  Let's be specific.
[00:16:05]  The word means that you're Jewish, meaning what?
[00:16:08]  That you're a Jew.
[00:16:09]  Meaning what?
[00:16:10]  That you believe in God.
[00:16:11]  That's the tenet of Judaism.
[00:16:12]  That's like the tenet.
[00:16:14]  I'm pretty sure we have people here who are ethnically Jewish.
[00:16:17]  Their parents were.
[00:16:17]  Like, if your great-great-grandparents were Jewish, then that doesn't mean that you are.
[00:16:21]  You've got to believe in it.
[00:16:22]  It's a process.
[00:16:23]  It's like an understanding.
[00:16:26]  My thoughts are that what's going to happen is people are realizing if you're fallen, if you're a fallen Jew, if you no longer believe in this and you're just this atheist taking advantage of people, you're going to realize that God is great.
[00:16:38]  It's there for all of us.
[00:16:40]  We're all in this together.
[00:16:41]  And I think that what's happening is there's a...
[00:16:44]  There's going to be a revelation within Judaism and probably all the major religions on earth that there's going to be some sort of transformation where people come back to the faith.
[00:16:54]  And Kanye will be looked at as someone that saved the Jews.
[00:16:57]  A reformation?
[00:16:58]  Yeah.
[00:16:58]  I just have to say, Ian...
[00:17:00]  Because he returned them to God.
[00:17:01]  I think this may be one of the most insane things I've ever heard you say.
[00:17:05]  Sure, man.
[00:17:06]  I'm talking about what people...
[00:17:07]  Dude, people...
[00:17:08]  They're often told they're crazy when they're talking about stuff like this in the present.
[00:17:10]  Let me just clarify a few things.
[00:17:12]  So yeah, Tim sure doesn't seem like the lunatic in that room.
[00:17:15]  The guy saying that yay after he went on that love fest for Hitler that he had saved the Jews.
[00:17:22]  You know what I find fascinating about that?
[00:17:25]  Yeah.
[00:17:25]  Is...
[00:17:26]  There's the gag on 30 Rock, which is just so fucking funny.
[00:17:31]  The homonym show, which is just him, which is, what's his face?
[00:17:37]  Just being like, alright, the word is scent.
[00:17:41]  And the guy goes, I don't know, is this smell?
[00:17:43]  No, it's the other one.
[00:17:44]  You know, just the over and over and over again.
[00:17:47]  Here's the option, it's the other one.
[00:17:49]  And that's the bit.
[00:17:50]  Is that it's always going to be the other one, and you can never notice it.
[00:17:53]  And there is something fascinating in that, in that it is a joke, and also, there's a deeper truth that is being expressed by Ian through that, which is that language is fucking stupid.
[00:18:05]  It is sometimes a barrier to communicating with people who don't understand you.

=== Fascinating Twins Debate (03:53) ===

[00:18:10]  That is true.
[00:18:11]  That is true.
[00:18:12]  And that is fascinating.
[00:18:12]  And with people who refuse to engage.
[00:18:14]  Exactly.
[00:18:15]  It is fascinating because there is that little bit of like, no, it's the other one.
[00:18:19]  It doesn't matter what you say.
[00:18:21]  You are trying to understand and relate.
[00:18:23]  No.
[00:18:24]  It's the other one.
[00:18:25]  Right.
[00:18:25]  And the other person, instead of engaging, is imposing their own dictates on what language means.
[00:18:31]  Fuck!
[00:18:32]  Show me what you think!
[00:18:33]  No, I can't do it.
[00:18:34]  It's the other one.
[00:18:34]  Forever.
[00:18:35]  It's always going to be the other one.
[00:18:36]  But even without that confusion, this is pretty fucked up.
[00:18:39]  Yeah, yeah, no.
[00:18:40]  I'm just trying to bring that into something that made sense.
[00:18:42]  Yeah.
[00:18:43]  So anyway, that's the guy they chose to moderate this very legitimate and respectable debate.
[00:18:48]  This is a house full of clowns.
[00:18:50]  That's the moderator.
[00:18:50]  That's the moderator.
[00:18:51]  The guy who moderates the debate.
[00:18:53]  Yeah.
[00:18:54]  That is a bold choice.
[00:18:57]  It's a choice.
[00:18:58]  It is a choice.
[00:18:59]  Yeah.
[00:18:59]  So we get the panel getting introduced here.
[00:19:03]  It begins with the twins, who aren't twins.
[00:19:06]  They're not twins.
[00:19:07]  We're going to jump into it.
[00:19:07]  I want to introduce our panel of incredible people, as I said earlier, and I'm going to start from the end and give you guys a chance to introduce yourselves.
[00:19:13]  We have Ed Krasenstein.
[00:19:15]  Yeah, how's it going?
[00:19:16]  I'm Ed Krasenstein.
[00:19:17]  You know me on X at Ed Krasen, also the twin brother of Brian.
[00:19:22]  They're twins.
[00:19:23]  Thanks for pointing out that it's Krasenstein, not Krasenstein.
[00:19:25]  Well, it can actually be either.
[00:19:27]  You can do Krasenstein or Krasenstein.
[00:19:28]  You've already lost this debate, sir.
[00:19:30]  It's Frankenstein, not Stein.
[00:19:32]  I'm Frankenstein.
[00:19:34]  That was Alex Jones, if you didn't know.
[00:19:36]  We also have Brian Krasenstein.
[00:19:38]  Hey, Ian.
[00:19:39]  It's great to be here.
[00:19:40]  I'm Brian Krasenstein, known as Krasenstein on X. So, amazing how Alex Gandy even handles shutting up for a second.
[00:19:48]  And why would he?
[00:19:49]  They're in his house.
[00:19:49]  He's the goddamn alpha here.
[00:19:50]  Yeah, I mean, come on.
[00:19:51]  Shut up.
[00:19:51]  So, two-thirds of the team that's on the side that thinks January 6th was not a false flag are the Krasenstein brothers, two dudes who pretty much everyone further to the left of Joe Manchin thinks are complete duels.
[00:20:01]  I will admit right out of the gate that I don't know all that much about them, mostly because I've never been interested.
[00:20:07]  The second they came into my awareness, it was really transparent how much of their existence on social media was predicated on farming engagement.
[00:20:13]  And so I just tuned it all out.
[00:20:14]  They came to prominence as Trump reply guys, which I always thought was a pretty sad kind of existence.
[00:20:20]  It definitely turned out to be a shortcut for mediocre people to amass large audiences.
[00:20:24]  We've seen a ton of people who got a lot of engagement out of that.
[00:20:27]  But the futility of it just bums me out.
[00:20:29]  Yeah, a lot of people really don't talk about that cottage industry of people who became famous just by yelling at the president.
[00:20:35]  Weird reply guys.
[00:20:37]  Twitter.
[00:20:37]  Yeah.
[00:20:37]  Apparently in 2018 they put out a parody book about Trump called How the People Trumped Ronald Blump.
[00:20:43]  Boo!
[00:20:46]  No!
[00:20:47]  Get off the stage!
[00:20:49]  Hmm.
[00:20:50]  These two are here because they're the type of people who are presumably on the left who would say yes to an invitation like this.
[00:20:56]  Most serious people would never get the invitation because this isn't a serious debate, but pretty much anyone who did would be able to get the invitation.
[00:21:01]  Right.
[00:21:07]  If you're someone on the left that Zero Hedge and Alex Jones are inviting to be on this debate, you either have a large audience that they view as swayable or you pose literally no threat to them pushing their heads.
[00:21:18]  Yeah.
[00:21:19]  The Krasensteins are in that latter group.
[00:21:21]  Alex knows these two wet noodles aren't shit and he can just run all over them.
[00:21:24]  I mean, listen to that.
[00:21:26]  Before you even begin with the debate with Alex Jones, you should listen to your own voice and go, if I am debating Alex Jones, imagine I'm Alex.
[00:21:36]  Ah!
[00:21:37]  Right.
[00:21:37]  Now let me listen to my voice.
[00:21:39]  Okay, I should quit.
[00:21:41]  It's not even in tone of voice.
[00:21:43]  It is in delivery.
[00:21:44]  It's in assertiveness.
[00:21:47]  It's just ready to be run over.

=== Criticism When You Fall From Grace (09:19) ===

[00:21:51]  And there is nothing wrong or false to be brought about that.
[00:21:55]  That is just a skill set that is not for debates.
[00:21:58]  It's just not for it.
[00:22:00]  Counterpoint.
[00:22:00]  It is, in a well-moderated debate.
[00:22:05]  So here we round out the January 6th was real team.
[00:22:08]  Next to Brian, we have Stephen Bonnell, known as Destiny.
[00:22:12]  What's happening, man?
[00:22:13]  Hey, what's up?
[00:22:14]  You know me on YouTube at Destiny.
[00:22:16]  My real-life name is Steven, and I scream and shout at people on the internet for a living.
[00:22:20]  So here we have Destiny, noted live streamer and guy who argues a lot.
[00:22:24]  Sure.
[00:22:24]  I struggle with how to define Destiny because I've watched a lot of his content over the years, and a lot of it is really all over the place.
[00:22:31]  You know how I define it?
[00:22:32]  How?
[00:22:33]  Inevitable.
[00:22:33]  Yes.
[00:22:35]  I've just kind of seen him as a guy who accidentally backed himself into a role that doesn't quite work for him, and it ends up coming out in his product.
[00:22:43]  Destiny began as a very successful and talented professional gamer who had some libertarian leanings and a penchant for real heated language while he was gaming.
[00:22:55]  a lot of R and F slurs, maybe not consciously rooted in hate, but still not good.
[00:22:59]  Sure.
[00:23:00]  Over time, as Destiny streamed, he found that he liked to have conversations with people while he was playing games, which evolved into him having a debate with a guy named JonTron in 2017.
[00:23:08]  This debate resulted in JonTron coming off pretty racist and xenophobic and with Destiny being the one arguing against him and shutting that stuff down and that was a big deal.
[00:23:18]  Because Jon Tron was a big YouTube figure in his own right and the host of the show Game Grumps.
[00:23:22]  So this blew the fuck up.
[00:23:24]  Destiny had found a niche, and he got into a groove where he started doing debates with racists and white nationalists, which is arguably the first place that Nick Fuentes got any real traction outside of overtly white nationalist media.
[00:23:36]  He debated with folks like literal Nazi Eric Stryker, a ton of weirdo racist grifters who came out of the woodwork after the 2016 election, and Lauren Southern, who Destiny would go on to become really good friends with.
[00:23:47]  It really worked, and I'll be the first to admit that some of those debates are pretty interesting.
[00:23:51]  Most of the folks that Destiny was talking to were not folks that anyone else wanted to talk to, so you were able to actually hear them articulate their position, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:24:10]  At that time, there was a panic about what to do about this new alt-right.
[00:24:15]  The media had figured out that there were all these shows on YouTube that anybody can access that were talking about things like exterminating the Jews or how white people were genetically superior to other races.
[00:24:24]  No one knew what to do, and in that space, destiny shined.
[00:24:28]  Here was this guy who would take all comers and argue with these monsters and come out making them look bad.
[00:24:33]  Sure, he called the people the R-slur a bunch, but sometimes the F-slur, and maybe he seems a bit angry, but maybe it's weird that he insists it's okay for him to use the N-word in his private life for humor, but maybe he's the solution to these right-wing folks online.
[00:24:47]  There was the prevailing thought, and you can find people like Destiny or Vash express that they're more able to de-radicalize folks who got sucked into the alt-right pipeline because they're kind of cool.
[00:25:00]  They aren't afraid to use those slurs because they don't listen to the PC police.
[00:25:04]  The reason that no one else can reach these kids is because everyone else are a bunch of soy boys, and the kids who are being sucked into the alt-right pipeline can sniff that out right away.
[00:25:12]  But someone like Destiny is edgy, and the alt-right initiates will respect that edge.
[00:25:18]  I think there's some truth to that idea, but I also think it's ridiculously overblown.
[00:25:22]  I'm sure that these guys did have a better track record of getting budding alt-right people to reconsider their beliefs than someone like Jake Tapper, but I don't know if it's the real change that they're promoting.
[00:25:31]  The most high-profile example of someone who was pulled back from the alt-right by Destiny's content was a guy named Caleb Kane.
[00:25:37]  There's a New York Times profile about him, and he made the rounds on TV and web shows talking about how he was pulled back from the brink.
[00:25:44]  But then he disappeared, only to reemerge a few years later to announce that he was now a conservative.
[00:25:49]  Hey!
[00:25:51]  Call it!
[00:25:52]  Put one on the board!
[00:25:54]  And, you know, I think that...
[00:25:57]  You never hear about the reversion, but you do hear about people who are like, I made it out of the hole, or whatever.
[00:26:03]  I mean, if you've ever spent, say, your entire childhood in evangelical circles, that is the best story in the world.
[00:26:12]  Right.
[00:26:13]  Doesn't matter that a couple hours later, you're smoking crack with that.
[00:26:17]  At a certain point, I think Destiny began to resent the left-leaning audience that he'd gathered by debating racists and getting this media attention about pulling folks back from the alt-right, and that manifested in him going super hard against leftists and commies.
[00:26:36]  If you feel like your audience is going too hard in one direction to a point that it's past where you are personally, if you don't check that, you could lose your identity chasing what the audience wants you to be.
[00:26:46]  But I've watched a fair amount of his content, and I don't think his animosity towards the left is just house-cleaning and curating his audience.
[00:26:53]  There's a passion behind his hate of the left that you don't see in his dealings with people like Nick Fuentes and Lauren Southern, who he's been good friends with.
[00:27:00]  At least up until recently.
[00:27:01]  I don't know if that's changed.
[00:27:02]  I haven't paid attention to his shit in a while, because I tune in every now and again, and it seemed like...
[00:27:08]  Whenever I would see something, it would be like some personal drama nonsense.
[00:27:13]  Personal life is becoming content, and it just felt voyeuristic and weird.
[00:27:18]  That's not good.
[00:27:18]  I don't feel right with this.
[00:27:21]  And that's kind of where we are now.
[00:27:23]  I haven't watched any of this stuff for a while, and I have no real intention to in the future.
[00:27:27]  I think that a lot of people have some pretty strong criticisms of Destiny.
[00:27:35]  I don't know if I have as...
[00:27:37]  Many as some people, but it's not because of disagreement.
[00:27:41]  It's because I don't know.
[00:27:43]  He puts out a million fucking hours of content, and I can't keep up with all of them.
[00:27:48]  I've seen terrible clips of things he said, but you have the standard, it's out of context.
[00:27:54]  And I don't have time to figure out exactly everything, what is being said and why it's being said.
[00:28:00]  So I'm sort of...
[00:28:03]  Cautious about him is the way I would describe myself.
[00:28:06]  Yeah, I mean, I do see so much, though, that is making sense more and more with a lot of these guys.
[00:28:15]  They never really believed too much.
[00:28:19]  What they believed was, let's get popular and famous.
[00:28:22]  And then their beliefs came into play.
[00:28:25]  And the problem with...
[00:28:26]  Criticism whenever you get there is if the left likes you, when you fall from grace with the left, it is real.
[00:28:34]  You did things that you are guilty of, and those criticisms would require you to have to change who you are.
[00:28:42]  Or at the very least, it would require some kind of a, you know, not a formal truth and reconciliation committee, but some kind of, yeah.
[00:28:50]  It's real.
[00:28:51]  But if you're on the right and you fall from grace, who fucking cares?
[00:28:54]  They're making all this shit up.
[00:28:56]  So it makes sense on just like a, if you are caring only about you first, psychologically, you are probably going to be healthier, not engaging at all.
[00:29:08]  I think that a lot of people have the, like, They say that Destiny is a right-winger, and I don't know enough to sign off on that, but from everything I can tell, it seems like he's just more of a liberal than a leftist.
[00:29:23]  Fairly center-left, which is kind of a little bit right, but definitely not far-right.
[00:29:29]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:31]  And some bad opinions.
[00:29:33]  I would say that it's, at the end of the day...
[00:29:37]  For guys like that, I think he's a shit talker.
[00:29:40]  That's definitely true.
[00:29:41]  What their actual political positions are, those are kind of fungible in the moment, depending on how much shit is in the process of or needs to be done talking.
[00:29:51]  The other problem that I kind of have is that I really can't take away the fact that he has, essentially, through becoming really rich and famous through it, Almost created that debate space.
[00:30:05]  Great!
[00:30:05]  You know, like all of the blood sports type debate shit probably wouldn't exist in the way that it does if it weren't for Destiny and the sort of proof of concept that he had.
[00:30:16]  All right.
[00:30:17]  All right.
[00:30:17]  Which I resent because I think that's a shitty landscape.
[00:30:21]  But not all of that is directly his fault.
[00:30:24]  Just sort of influence.
[00:30:25]  Right, right, right.
[00:30:26]  I mean, yeah, that feels like a job opening.
[00:30:30]  Less than, you know, like, people wanted something like that.
[00:30:35]  Yeah.
[00:30:35]  Yeah.
[00:30:36]  But, you know, I mean, for whatever you can say, other people without the particular skill sets that he had of yelling and arguing really fast probably could not have, you know, the job opening, but he fit that job.
[00:30:49]  Right, right, right.
[00:30:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:30:50]  He fit the job.
[00:30:51]  Yeah, it's great.
[00:30:51]  So we get an introduction of Alex here.

=== Why Alex Jones Matters (03:39) ===

[00:30:54]  Switching over to the other team.
[00:30:55]  Okay.
[00:30:56]  Next to this dude, we got Alex Jones.
[00:30:59]  Alex.
[00:31:00]  Explain yourself.
[00:31:01]  Well, I don't think I probably needed much of an introduction, but, I mean, I was there on January 6th, and I saw what happened.
[00:31:08]  And so it's a very important discussion.
[00:31:12]  Should be over then, right?
[00:31:12]  I'm glad everybody came.
[00:31:14]  We need to have more of this, not just left and right, but just different groups of people debating and discussing.
[00:31:20]  I'm really glad that Zero Hedge and their great subscription service, people supporting it, is financing this.
[00:31:26]  And so you're going to see a lot more of this, people supporting Zero Hedge.
[00:31:29]  And so I'm just honored to be here with you guys in Austin, Texas.
[00:31:33]  Alex brings up two very important things in that intro.
[00:31:36]  The first is that he was there on January 6th, whipping the crowd into a frenzy with his bullhorn until just past the point where things got too hot, at which point he tried to calm down the crowd in vain.
[00:31:45]  Two people who were regular figures on his show for over a decade, Stuart Rhodes and Joe Biggs, were convicted of seditious conspiracy for their actions planning what went down that day.
[00:31:54]  Enrique Tarrio, who has appeared fewer times on InfoWars but still was a periodic guest, is also in jail.
[00:32:00]  Alex's employee Owen Schroyer went to jail for a few weeks because he violated a deferred prosecution agreement by being at the Capitol that day.
[00:32:07]  Alex is a very bad person to have on this debate because there are a ton of red flags about his associates, including uncharged people like Roger Stone and the seemingly totally forgotten Ali Alexander.
[00:32:19]  You know why they forgot about Ali and pretended they pretend now he doesn't exist and he was never the head of Stop the Steal under Roger's mentorship?
[00:32:25]  What?
[00:32:26]  It's because he started working on the Yay campaign, and then it came out that he was sexually harassing underage boys.
[00:32:31]  According to the New York Magazine, quote, Stop the Steal founder Ali Alexander allegedly came on to these...
[00:32:37]  underage boys when they were teenagers asking for nudes from a 17 year old and pressuring a 15 year old to have sex with him.
[00:32:44]  He was texting with a 15 year old who he had promised access to his political connections and whined that they never sent him quote good jack off material.
[00:32:52]  In terms of the lead up to January 6th, Ali Alexander is an essential piece of it.
[00:32:56]  He ran Stop the Steal having inherited the name with the blessing of Roger Stone.
[00:33:01]  When Alex made those trips to various state houses, to bullhorn and try and sway the election, the two people who were with him were Nick Fuentes and Ali Alexander.
[00:33:08]  You can't pretend that he doesn't exist and isn't a major piece of this story just because to acknowledge him reveals how closely you're associating with a known pedophile.
[00:33:16]  Because, like, Milo, if you want to take him at his word...
[00:33:20]  It was very clear that he knew about this stuff prior to it coming out.
[00:33:24]  Well, sure.
[00:33:24]  I mean, when you are painting all of your political enemies as pedophiles, it probably doesn't look good whenever all of your friends are.
[00:33:32]  Not all, but some.
[00:33:34]  Too many.
[00:33:34]  A high-profile one here.
[00:33:35]  Too many.
[00:33:36]  For these reasons and many others, Alex is the worst person to be on a panel debate about January 6th.
[00:33:42]  But you see the other important thing that's revealed here.
[00:33:44]  This is part of promoting Zero Hedge's subscription service.
[00:33:47]  By participating, everyone here is essentially agreeing to be in a commercial for Zero Hedge Premium, and I fucking hope they got paid.
[00:33:54]  It's Destiny and the Kresenstein Brothers, so I'm sure they're not working for free.
[00:33:57]  I imagine there's some little change flying around.
[00:34:01]  Man, that is weak.
[00:34:04]  That sucks.
[00:34:05]  Yeah, it does.
[00:34:05]  That sucks.
[00:34:06]  Yep.
[00:34:07]  All right.
[00:34:08]  The deck's rigged.
[00:34:10]  Are they only going to be talking?
[00:34:12]  What?
[00:34:12]  What does that mean?
[00:34:13]  I mean, here's what I would say, alright?
[00:34:16]  If I'm going to do this, if I'm going to do the January 6th debate, I want some physical challenges interspersed in between.

=== Darren Beattie Joins The Show (04:32) ===

[00:34:25]  Double dare style.
[00:34:26]  There's no feet of strength.
[00:34:27]  There's gotta be.
[00:34:28]  There's no shaving cream slide.
[00:34:30]  Double dare style required.
[00:34:32]  I mean, because listen, there's gonna be shit where it's like, you guys shouldn't even be talking right now.
[00:34:36]  Physical challenge!
[00:34:37]  Go!
[00:34:38]  On Alex's show, they had the super male vitality belt.
[00:34:41]  See?
[00:34:42]  Yeah.
[00:34:43]  Anyway, let's get this next dork out of here.
[00:34:45]  To your left, my right, Darren Beattie.
[00:34:47]  What's happening, man?
[00:34:48]  Great to be here.
[00:34:49]  Thank you.
[00:34:49]  I'm Darren Beattie.
[00:34:51]  I run a news site called revolver.news, which is...
[00:34:54]  Reported extensively on January 6th, and you can also see me on x at Darren J. Beattie.
[00:35:00]  And you're a Trump advisor and speechwriter.
[00:35:02]  Yes.
[00:35:03]  And a former professor, and you help quarterback a lot of the groundbreaking stuff that Tucker Carlson put up.
[00:35:10]  Indeed.
[00:35:12]  Indeed.
[00:35:13]  We've talked about him a little bit, but Darren Beattie is the guy who wanted to make his own drudge report since drudge wasn't far right and Trump-worshipping enough, and thus we got Revolver News.
[00:35:21]  He's not a Trump speechwriter.
[00:35:23]  In fact, he was fired from the Trump administration in 2018 after it came out that he spoke at the 2016 H.L. Mencken Club meeting.
[00:35:29]  That's an annual white nationalist gathering where he spoke alongside Pat Robertson and V-Dare editor Peter Brimlow.
[00:35:35]  Fun fact, the moderator, Ian, is one of the co-hosts on Tim Poole's show, and Peter Brimlow's...
[00:35:41]  Cool.
[00:35:44]  Small, racist world.
[00:35:45]  Not enough guys.
[00:35:46]  Anyway, Darren hasn't written extensively about January 6th, but he has made it his business to spread a ton of conspiracy shit about that day and focus very closely on Ray Epps.
[00:35:55]  He better be thanking his lucky stars.
[00:35:57]  He's not yet included in the lawsuit.
[00:35:59]  Darren Beattie is the only person who no one cares is on this panel.
[00:36:03]  This is exactly where he belongs.
[00:36:05]  When the lineup was announced, even the Krasenstein brothers, people wanted to talk about it.
[00:36:11]  There's more buzz about them being on it.
[00:36:13]  Do you see Darren Beattie?
[00:36:14]  Right on.
[00:36:16]  Right on, buddy!
[00:36:17]  You exist in this space that there's a perfect hole in the universe shaped like you, and that's where you go.
[00:36:24]  So we get the last participant.
[00:36:25]  Okay.
[00:36:26]  Your favorite.
[00:36:27]  And we also have, coming in remote live, Glenn Greenwald from your studio in Brazil.
[00:36:32]  What's happening, Glenn?
[00:36:34]  Hey, everybody.
[00:36:35]  Glenn Greenwald.
[00:36:35]  I'm a journalist.
[00:36:36]  I'm the host of System Update on Rumble.
[00:36:39]  I had planned to be there in person.
[00:36:41]  A little logistical problems intervened, and I wish I could be, but I'm really looking forward to participating.
[00:36:45]  And I just want to echo Alex.
[00:36:46]  I think what Zero Hedge is doing is so important, organizing these kind of substantive, structured debates among people who obviously disagree pretty strongly on things and yet nonetheless can have what I hope will be a civil and spirited debate, what I expect it will be.
[00:36:59]  So I'm really looking forward to it, and I appreciate being asked.
[00:37:02]  Yes, that is my job, is to make sure that it...
[00:37:04]  It maintains civility, structure, organization, and that we don't talk over each other, that we end up listening to each other.
[00:37:10]  The real value of humanity, one of the most powerful tools we have, is communication.
[00:37:13]  So I think tonight's going to be an exemplary example of that.
[00:37:17]  Spoiler alert, it's not.
[00:37:19]  I want to go back to hatchet throwing.
[00:37:22]  Merry Christmas.
[00:37:23]  So yeah, when you think about how to have a civil, structured debate, I think what you should do is get Alex Jones and the streamer who yells at everyone and calls them the R-slur.
[00:37:30]  And then you know what?
[00:37:31]  You need someone to keep the peace and keep...
[00:37:36]  Whatever it was that that meant is what he means.
[00:37:45]  Get the fuck out of here with this farce.
[00:37:46]  I understand that you want the most attention possible, so you get volatile elements to gather into the room and have Glenn Greenwald sacrifice what little is left of his credibility to put some polish on this thing.
[00:37:56]  I understand that to make sure things do get out of control, you need an inept loser to moderate.
[00:38:02]  Forget it.
[00:38:02]  It's the recipe for memes and unlimited engagement on social media.
[00:38:05]  Just spare me the sanctimonious shit about how this is some kind of noble pursuit of truth and understanding that you're so amazing for doing.
[00:38:12]  Just wallow in the mud like the attention pigs you know you are.
[00:38:15]  Yeah.
[00:38:15]  Fucking assholes.
[00:38:17]  Yeah.
[00:38:17]  I mean, honestly, there is far less I have to judge harshly than their sanctimoniousness.
[00:38:26]  Yeah.
[00:38:26]  Oh, and man, you're going to get a heavy dose of that from Glenn.
[00:38:29]  It is so unreal.
[00:38:31]  Just like, y 'all are jerking each other off, having a fun little time stealing money from people who you don't care about.

=== Was It An Insurrection? (15:54) ===

[00:38:39]  Why are we here?
[00:38:40]  Right?
[00:38:41]  And making money for zero hedge, getting people to sign up.
[00:38:44]  So Ian brings things out the gate with the first question.
[00:38:47]  Here we go.
[00:38:48]  What a moderator.
[00:38:48]  All right.
[00:38:49]  Let's go.
[00:38:50]  Let's go for this.
[00:38:51]  Let's go!
[00:38:52]  Let's fucking go!
[00:38:53]  Let's fucking go!
[00:38:54]  For the entire panel, and anyone that wants to start it off, maybe we can start with you, Edson, just because you're on the end and we can move around, is January 6, 2021.
[00:39:01]  Was it an insurrection?
[00:39:02]  And before you answer, before you answer, I want to read this.
[00:39:04]  This is actually what the...
[00:39:07]  It's called 18 U.S. Code 2383, Rebellion or Insurrection.
[00:39:11]  Yeah, let me do an overhead shot.
[00:39:12]  This is right out of Cornell Law here.
[00:39:14]  Excellent.
[00:39:15]  All right, I'm going to start reading this.
[00:39:16]  This is according to the U.S. Code.
[00:39:20]  It technically doesn't define insurrection.
[00:39:38]  It's the code talking about what...
[00:39:40]  I guess what an insurrection is, of course, they use the word insurrection in the actual code itself.
[00:39:45]  You could have written this in advance!
[00:39:47]  Yeah, we kick things off and we're on shaky ground.
[00:39:50]  Ian very much thought that he was reading off a code that defined insurrection, which could then be used as a yardstick for the participants to measure January 6th against.
[00:39:57]  You think?
[00:39:58]  Does it meet this standard as it was coded into law?
[00:40:00]  it's a real nice way to have a decent question where you get people's perspectives on the board.
[00:40:07]  Unfortunately, that code doesn't define insurrection.
[00:40:09]  And this is a problem that Ian doesn't know that.
[00:40:11]  It's one thing to not have a handle on the law but it's another to be the moderator of a debate about January 6th where you plan to open with this and not realize this isn't the definition.
[00:40:20]  It's your own question!
[00:40:22]  This is a further problem because in the aftermath of Colorado barring Trump from the ballot, it became a big deal that the Constitution provides no explicit definition of insurrection.
[00:40:30]  That was something that every media outlet discussed because it was an interesting offshoot of the story that will obviously come into play as this is heard in the Supreme Court.
[00:40:38]  Yeah.
[00:40:38]  I guess they skipped that on Tim Pool's show.
[00:40:40]  They're probably busy complaining about how something was too woke that day.
[00:40:43]  The Insurrection Act of 1807 doesn't clearly define insurrection either, which is why if Ian had prepared to do his job, the first question wouldn't be, was this an insurrection?
[00:40:51]  It would be, how do we define an insurrection?
[00:40:53]  Right.
[00:40:54]  Until that question's answered, you have no real reason to believe these people are using the same definition for the word, and their conversation's going to be incoherent.
[00:41:01]  Yep.
[00:41:01]  As these people, and many people, inaccurately attribute to my boy Socrates, The beginning of wisdom is the definition of terms.
[00:41:08]  I think.
[00:41:09]  But Socrates didn't say that.
[00:41:10]  That we should have to have...
[00:41:12]  See, again.
[00:41:13]  We need to stop with this talk debates because we all know that they're stupid now.
[00:41:17]  We need to do physical challenges.
[00:41:19]  You can still talk, but we do need Double Dare physical challenges.
[00:41:24]  Having gone through this, I don't fully disagree with you.
[00:41:27]  I think what you're saying is unproductive too, but I say who gives a shit.
[00:41:30]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:41:31]  Also, you have to have the word.
[00:41:34]  You have to hold the word up.
[00:41:36]  Party game style of insurrection and then everybody has their definition and they have to like...
[00:41:41]  Display it on like a name tag or something.
[00:41:43]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:41:44]  Let me bounce back on your idea.
[00:41:45]  All right.
[00:41:46]  Because I think that like feats of strength are going to end up having brutes like Alex win everything.
[00:41:51]  So what we need is like the challenge.
[00:41:54]  We need kind of carny type games.
[00:41:57]  I am talking about Double Dare, my friend.
[00:42:00]  There is no feat of strength to finding a flag inside of a piece of pizza that's comically large.
[00:42:05]  Okay, I mean, if we stick in that territory where there's an even playing field...
[00:42:08]  That's what I'm talking about.
[00:42:09]  That I'm on board.
[00:42:10]  People need to be sliding underneath things.
[00:42:12]  There should be slides everywhere.
[00:42:14]  Sure.
[00:42:14]  Yeah.
[00:42:15]  That would have spiced this up considerably.
[00:42:17]  That would have spiced things up, yeah.
[00:42:17]  And as we get through this, Alex is coked and drunk up enough that he would love a fucking slide.
[00:42:23]  Oh, God, I would have, yeah.
[00:42:24]  It gets messy.
[00:42:25]  Yeah.
[00:42:25]  So Ed is called on.
[00:42:28]  This is maybe one of the only points that I know which cries on Steve is talking.
[00:42:31]  We know for sure it's an Ed.
[00:42:33]  We got Ed.
[00:42:34]  All right.
[00:42:35]  So he has a boring answer.
[00:42:37]  So I personally believe it was an insurrection.
[00:42:40]  Speak up!
[00:42:41]  And I base that on the fact that 20 court decisions called it an insurrection.
[00:42:45]  And the fact that there was a bill passed in the Senate that called them a mob of insurrectionists.
[00:42:51]  I think the bill passed, or it was in the House of Representatives, 406 to 21. That was a statute to award the police officers medals.
[00:43:00]  And it referred to these individuals as insurrectionists.
[00:43:03]  So, I mean, I think the term can be subjective.
[00:43:08]  I think, you know...
[00:43:10]  People can say nobody was charged with violating Section 2383 of Title 18, which is insurrection and rebellion statute.
[00:43:21]  And nobody was, right?
[00:43:23]  But I don't think that defines whether the event was an insurrection.
[00:43:28]  When I say insurrection, I don't mean everybody there was partaking in insurrection.
[00:43:34]  There are people who are peaceful.
[00:43:36]  The people who walked into the Capitol and did nothing.
[00:43:39]  I don't think that they were insurrectionists.
[00:43:42]  I think they violated the law, but I don't think they were partaking in insurrection.
[00:43:46]  I do think the Proud Boys were partaking in insurrection.
[00:43:50]  I think you could say Donald Trump incited the insurrection.
[00:43:53]  I do.
[00:43:55]  Destiny, what do you think, man?
[00:43:56]  So you can almost feel Alex holding back the urge to give this dork a swirly.
[00:44:00]  Yeah.
[00:44:00]  That was a painfully boring answer, and it's the sort of answer that there's no reason for the right-wing side to even respond to.
[00:44:07]  Yeah.
[00:44:07]  It's kind of like I feel and opinion statements and even admitting that shit's subjective, so you can just reject that by having your own feelings and opinions.
[00:44:13]  Bah!
[00:44:13]  I feel it was an insurrection.
[00:44:15]  Okay.
[00:44:15]  I don't.
[00:44:16]  Bye!
[00:44:16]  Well, we're at an impasse here.
[00:44:18]  Good instincts on Ian's part to throw it to Destiny instead of the other Krasenstein, though.
[00:44:21]  You gotta kick some life into this fucking thing.
[00:44:23]  That was...
[00:44:24]  That is, like, the definition of, oh, you're not, you're not, like, you can't come to me with that.
[00:44:30]  You can tweet fine, and maybe, you know, you have a lot of engagement and stuff on Twitter, but this kind of talking, especially in this environment, is too slow, and it's ineffective communication.
[00:44:43]  It does pick up.
[00:44:45]  They do get a little bit better, but it is pretty rocky here.
[00:44:48]  I'm sure.
[00:44:49]  It's just, like, this is one of those things where, like, Spending a decade as a comedian really points, like, before this guy spoke, you know, he says one word and is like, I could have this guy ripped to shreds by an audience.
[00:45:03]  Like, there's no chance that he should be talking anywhere near somebody who can do the job, you know?
[00:45:11]  Well, and that's why you throw it to Destiny.
[00:45:12]  Yeah.
[00:45:12]  That guy can talk.
[00:45:14]  Okay, here we go.
[00:45:15]  Destiny, what do you think, man?
[00:45:17]  I would say the plot from start to finish is quite obviously an insurrection.
[00:45:21]  The only way to get around that is to either justify an insurrection, which is what most conservatives do, they don't realize it, or to deny that an insurrection could ever happen.
[00:45:30]  Or if you're not aware of all the facts of what happened.
[00:45:33]  So I've made it clear that I'm pretty generally lukewarm on Destiny, but I think that's a great opening volley.
[00:45:37]  He's making an explicit and firm claim, not a subjective claim.
[00:45:41]  And he's saying that the insurrection definitely happened.
[00:45:44]  And he's putting rebuttals that might be made into appropriate boxes.
[00:45:47]  is in advance of them being made.
[00:45:49]  Sure.
[00:45:49]  This is a great thing to do in most contexts, and if he was just debating Greenwald, I bet this would be very hard for Glenn to get around.
[00:45:55]  Alex is a lunatic who doesn't live in reality, though, so it remains to be seen if that's even effective in any way.
[00:46:00]  That said, it's still a solid start.
[00:46:02]  Sure.
[00:46:03]  It's staking a position.
[00:46:06]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:07]  Yes.
[00:46:08]  Yeah.
[00:46:09]  And here are the reasons why you would disagree with me in advance.
[00:46:14]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:14]  No, it's formatted.
[00:46:16]  It's so clearly he's like, I control the structure.
[00:46:20]  I grasp the structure.
[00:46:21]  I know what I'm here to say.
[00:46:23]  So he goes on, and then the moderator...
[00:46:26]  Let's read the code again.
[00:46:28]  I think that Donald Trump and his cronies had a very coherent plan that they tried to enact from start to finish, starting with false claims of voter fraud, leading to false slates of electors, And I want to make sure that we don't...
[00:46:56]  Force this into what they want to call a debate where you've got to be called on or anything.
[00:47:01]  So if any of you guys, Glenn, you as well, man.
[00:47:03]  If any of you guys want to jump in.
[00:47:04]  Yeah, the two of them just went.
[00:47:06]  I want Glenn to go, but I just want to say something here.
[00:47:09]  I was there.
[00:47:10]  Cool, man.
[00:47:11]  I think Destiny's got a pretty good summation of the main points here.
[00:47:14]  I feel like given that I know Destiny was preparing for this interview, he's probably going to be able to fully back these points up.
[00:47:20]  That seems promising compared to the way that I had.
[00:47:24]  Started things off.
[00:47:25]  I feel like sometimes things can be, and sometimes things cannot be.
[00:47:29]  And you can see here how little interest Ian has in actually being the moderator of this debate.
[00:47:33]  Destiny is giving a concise and detailed answer to his opening question, and Ian seems bored.
[00:47:38]  Boring!
[00:47:38]  Somebody else talk now!
[00:47:39]  Wee!
[00:47:40]  Throw a pie!
[00:47:41]  Why?
[00:47:41]  That's because he doesn't want a structured debate, a civil exchange of ideas.
[00:47:45]  Absolutely does.
[00:47:45]  He wants to pretend that's what they're doing, but he wants an argument.
[00:47:48]  He wants a fight.
[00:47:48]  He wants people yelling over each other because that's exciting, it drives traffic, and that will get more subscribers for Zero Hedge's premium service.
[00:47:55]  Now, he does want to eventually, as they're fighting, eventually say, gentlemen, gentlemen.
[00:48:00]  Sure.
[00:48:01]  Well, that's a fun job.
[00:48:01]  Let's put him in the act.
[00:48:02]  That's a fun job.
[00:48:03]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:48:03]  This is Roger's Rules of Order.
[00:48:09]  Yeah.
[00:48:09]  Robert's rules for it?
[00:48:11]  No, Roger Stone's rules for it.
[00:48:12]  Ah, there we are.
[00:48:13]  Alex coming in pretty condescending there, too.
[00:48:16]  Also, I was there is definitely not an advantage in this debate.
[00:48:18]  In fact, some might say it critically disqualifies you from having your perspective taken seriously.
[00:48:23]  You were actively participating in the acts that took place that day, so how could you possibly come on here and condemn yourself as an insurrectionist?
[00:48:29]  And not only that, an insurrectionist failure.
[00:48:32]  Consider that dynamic, because it tells you a lot about the editorial choices in terms of who they have in this debate.
[00:48:37]  That concern is ignored, because of that.
[00:48:39]  The value of Alex as a source of attention-grabbing chaos is far more valuable than having a debate with substance among people who hold different beliefs.
[00:48:47]  I have a rebuttal to that.
[00:48:48]  Please.
[00:48:49]  I am rubber and you are glue.
[00:48:51]  Neener neener.
[00:48:51]  Exactly.
[00:48:52]  Look at my nose.
[00:48:53]  Exactly.
[00:48:53]  Oh, I'd poke your eyes if I could.
[00:48:56]  I'll do it!
[00:48:57]  So Alex goes on with his I was there schtick.
[00:49:01]  I was there.
[00:49:02]  And I was investigated and subpoenaed.
[00:49:05]  By the Justice Department in at least five criminal investigations, and I was forced to testify in front of the Jan 6th Committee, which they've now been destroying their records because the records show the opposite of what they said.
[00:49:15]  So that's all a lie.
[00:49:17]  Yeah.
[00:49:17]  Alex has not been investigated or subpoenaed in at least five criminal investigations.
[00:49:21]  As far as he's ever shown, that number is a maximum of two, and that's including the subpoena for the January 6th Committee.
[00:49:26]  He wasn't forced to testify there.
[00:49:28]  He answered that he pled the fifth to every question.
[00:49:31]  He's starting things off a bit dishonest, but also condescending.
[00:49:35]  Yeah.
[00:49:35]  Also, let's, I wanted to, I gave up on this, but I was going to start counting all the things that Alex brings up that should be dealt with in this debate, but just are going to be ignored.
[00:49:45]  Right.
[00:49:45]  He makes a blatantly false claim, but because they pile up so much, it's difficult to understand the scope and scale of them.
[00:49:53]  That was in honor of Barnes, the Scope and Scale.
[00:49:54]  Yeah, the Scope and Scale, I saw it.
[00:49:56]  So the first one I'm going to point out, even though I did give up on this because it's just too much, is that the January 6th is deleting, the committee is deleting the records because the truth is coming out and it shows the opposite of what happened.
[00:50:06]  Sure, that's not true.
[00:50:08]  Barry Loudermilk with Crowder Milk has said that some videos of depositions couldn't be located, but that they had transcripts of them.
[00:50:15]  Representative Benny Thompson sent Loudermilk a letter explaining why a few things were not officially archived along with the other evidentiary.
[00:50:22]  As you also note, on December 30, 2022, when the bipartisan select committee still had control of the records under the House rules, Vice Chair Liz Cheney and I sent letters to the White House Special Counsel.
[00:50:33]  and Department of Homeland Security regarding the select committees alone of some then-current material containing law enforcement-sensitive operational details and private personal information that, if released, could endanger the safety of witnesses.
[00:50:46]  As indicated in the letters, the Select Committee wrote to those authorities seeking their assistance and guidance in the proper archiving of such sensitive material to protect witnesses' safety, national security, and safeguard law enforcement operations.
[00:50:58]  This was part of the Select Committee's effort to accommodate the executive branch inappropriately protecting certain sensitive information.
[00:51:03]  While also complying with the archiving rules of the House.
[00:51:06]  The executive branch was still conducting its review of that material to provide appropriate archiving guidance at the time the select committee dissolved.
[00:51:13]  Accordingly, the select committee did not have the opportunity to properly archive that material with the rest of its records with the benefit of the executive branch's guidance to ensure witness safety, our national security, and law enforcement sensitive information.
[00:51:25]  All of it was still archived various other places and nothing was destroyed.
[00:51:28]  Alex is just lying, but that's the first of the things that he expects that he's just going to be able to assert with nothing.
[00:51:33]  No pushback.
[00:51:33]  And it's true.
[00:51:35]  No one can.
[00:51:36]  All this stuff adds up.
[00:51:38]  Yeah, it does seem like it is an impossibility to just allow somebody who cannot tell the truth.
[00:51:46]  I mean, to allow somebody who cannot tell the truth as a matter of course.
[00:51:52]  Not even like an attempt or in anything.
[00:51:56]  Just like...
[00:51:57]  This is what is going to happen.
[00:51:59]  You have invited Alex.
[00:52:00]  A barrage of bullshit is going to happen.
[00:52:02]  There's nothing you can do.
[00:52:04]  There's no stopping it.
[00:52:05]  He can't stop it.
[00:52:06]  So you have chosen by the virtue of allowing this person to show up what is going to happen.
[00:52:11]  It is all written from there.
[00:52:14]  And it's hard to imagine that it's not intentional.
[00:52:17]  I mean, it can't be.
[00:52:18]  So Alex continues to go on and he makes more dubious claims.
[00:52:22]  Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court.
[00:52:26]  He was supposed to have another rally there.
[00:52:28]  We showed up.
[00:52:29]  Before Trump finished his speech, people were getting tear gassed and hit by bullets, and there were a bunch of provocateurs leading an attack against the police, and they broke through.
[00:52:37]  And then this million-plus people then got blamed as insurrectionists, and Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.
[00:52:43]  That's true.
[00:52:44]  So here's the second thing here that Alex is going to assert and hope no pushback comes.
[00:52:48]  Trump and all of us had a stage rented by the Supreme Court.
[00:52:51]  For those unfamiliar with D.C. geography, the Supreme Court building is to the east of the Capitol, just across 1st Street.
[00:52:57]  What Alex is referring to here is that Ali Alexander fraudulently secured a permit on the northeast side of the Capitol ground across 1st Street from the Supreme Court building.
[00:53:05]  Ali had used a fake name for his permit, One Nation Under God, and had lied when they were told that the area that they were getting a permit for could only handle a maximum of 50 people.
[00:53:16]  Ali agreed to those terms, knowing fully well that the plan was to use Alex as a pied I have zero doubt that this is exactly what Ali was trying to do, but it's an open question whether or not this was done in concert with the other plans put in place by the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, or if Ali's chaos was just a side thing.
[00:53:39]  Just for fun.
[00:53:39]  Yeah.
[00:53:40]  It's also an open question if Alex knew that's what Ali was aiming for, because it seems like you could make a decent case that he didn't.
[00:53:46]  When she was popping off and people were storming the Capitol, Alex was on his bullhorn, still trying to get people to go to the east side of the building.
[00:53:53]  So if his end goal was just what was going on in front of him, there's no reason that he would still want to usher people to the other side of the building.
[00:54:00]  I have no concrete evidence either direction, but Alex's actions kind of make more sense in the context of someone who is being used.
[00:54:07]  Yeah.
[00:54:07]  So this is the second untrue assertion that Alex doesn't want questioned, because doing so opens up the door to asking how, like, what was Ali Alexander?

=== Fraudulent Permits and Limitations (05:14) ===

[00:54:17]  He was the one who got that fraudulent permit.
[00:54:18]  Oh, you want to talk about who?
[00:54:20]  I've never even heard of that guy before.
[00:54:22]  All my enemies are pedophiles.
[00:54:23]  And that would also introduce questions about why Ali would agree to limit participants to 50 people while working directly with Alex.
[00:54:30]  Oh, well, because I was lying.
[00:54:32]  Yeah, this would be a fantastic thread for Destiny to pull because even if Alex tries to deflect it, it still makes him look like an idiot with something to hide, and that's a defensive posture that Alex would just yell and move on and change the topic, but it would be an interesting thread to try and pull.
[00:54:46]  Which doesn't.
[00:54:47]  Get pulled.
[00:54:48]  The rest of this is just standard J6 conspiracy talking points, and it's not interesting.
[00:54:52]  It is true, though, that folks like the Proud Boys had begun rushing the building before Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse.
[00:54:59]  He's saying that people were hit by bullets.
[00:55:01]  He's referring to Ashley Babbitt, who wasn't shot until 244, about an hour and a half after Trump's speech finished.
[00:55:07]  He's blurring this all together because, like, he's working off vibes.
[00:55:11]  He's just a vibe guy.
[00:55:12]  Yeah.
[00:55:14]  Hey, I'm a vibe guy.
[00:55:15]  I mean, why not?
[00:55:18]  What's crazy to me about this is that honestly, if it's me, I feel like Alex is toning it down too much.
[00:55:26]  Wait.
[00:55:26]  Because seriously, this is mine.
[00:55:29]  If I'm Alex, I'm looking at these idiots surrounding me going, this is my house.
[00:55:35]  I'm clearly the only person who can just say whatever the fuck I want as loud as I want and no one's going to talk back.
[00:55:40]  He does get into that headspace.
[00:55:42]  Don't worry.
[00:55:43]  He's starting off a little slow.
[00:55:44]  You'll be very satisfied.
[00:55:47]  I would be fucking King Kong all over this stupid place because fuck all these people.
[00:55:51]  Fuck you, Destiny.
[00:55:52]  Fuck you, Destiny.
[00:55:53]  What's your names?
[00:55:54]  I don't know you.
[00:55:55]  Again, I call them bed as a group now.
[00:55:57]  Exactly, yeah.
[00:55:58]  But I think that what you're describing will be maybe...
[00:56:04]  Tame compared to some of the directions this ends up getting.
[00:56:07]  Good.
[00:56:07]  Then finally, for the first time, I'm happy about this debate.
[00:56:10]  But I have a bone to pick with you.
[00:56:11]  Okay.
[00:56:11]  I didn't get a laugh out of you when I said, louder milk with crowded milk.
[00:56:14]  I swear to God.
[00:56:16]  I swear to God.
[00:56:17]  I was about to ask you, did I actually hear that?
[00:56:22]  It happened.
[00:56:24]  I was trying to slide it in and see what would happen.
[00:56:26]  It rolled through my brain, and I'm just sitting here.
[00:56:28]  I listened to most of what you said after that, and I just kept saying, did he say Loudermilk with Crowdermilk?
[00:56:34]  I can't believe someone's named Loudermilk.
[00:56:36]  Anyway, Alex goes on.
[00:56:39]  And Biden gave a big speech yesterday saying they're all terrorists.
[00:56:42]  So by that extension, Kamala Harris is the VP candidate.
[00:56:47]  Was bailing people out of jail that burned down police stations and firebombed federal buildings.
[00:56:52]  And the idea of Biden's speech yesterday, making his whole campaign about January 6th, saying political violence is never good.
[00:56:59]  The Democrats are the ones that call for political violence.
[00:57:01]  So I was there with a bullhorn, but I could only reach 100 yards out.
[00:57:04]  Because the Democrats were calling for me.
[00:57:06]  Saying, don't go in, don't fight the police.
[00:57:08]  This is a setup.
[00:57:09]  And we have hundreds of videos.
[00:57:10]  And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there.
[00:57:13]  Oh, yeah.
[00:57:14]  So this is supposed to be Alex interjecting in the question, was January 6th an insurrection?
[00:57:17]  And you can see how he can't be trusted to answer a question.
[00:57:20]  No.
[00:57:21]  He's useless in a setting where you want to get any kind of actual exchange of ideas going because he's just going to do this.
[00:57:25]  He's doing his show just in many chunks.
[00:57:28]  Yeah, with people around being forced to watch.
[00:57:31]  Kamala Harris didn't bail out people who were burned down buildings.
[00:57:34]  She tweeted a link to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which helps provide bail to people who can't afford cash bail.
[00:57:38]  If you can't afford to pay your bail, you're either going to need to accept staying in jail even though you haven't been tried, or you have to pay someone usually about 10% Which is bullshit.
[00:57:49]  Harris tweeted out a link to them, and she wasn't even Biden's running mate at that time.
[00:57:53]  If some of the people who were recipients of the Minnesota Freedom Fund's assistance were violent offenders, they were still innocent until proven guilty.
[00:58:01]  And as a representative of that organization said, quote, if a judge deems them eligible for bail, they should not have to wait in jail simply because they don't have the same income or resources as others with more privilege.
[00:58:12]  No, poor people should go to jail whenever rich people can be free.
[00:58:15]  That makes perfect sense.
[00:58:16]  This was a perfect smear for folks like...
[00:58:22]  Yeah.
[00:58:39]  Alex is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks that Destiny is going to argue with him about the Black Lives Matter protests.
[00:58:45]  After Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people in Kenosha, Destiny went on a rant saying, quote, The rioting needs to fucking stop.
[00:58:51]  If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10pm, at this point they have my fucking blessing.
[00:58:59]  Holy shit, this needs to stop.
[00:59:02]  He tends to argue that this is taking out of context, and sure, on one level, the point he's making is that law enforcement is unable to contain the protests that dissolve into property damage, but he's also endorsing vigilantism to deal with protests that get out of hand.

=== Arresting Fakes and Lies (09:21) ===

[00:59:14]  I mean, the problem with that, this is why I don't do that, is because the problem with that is then, you know, now it's fair game.
[00:59:22]  Fuck you.
[00:59:24]  Honestly, now that I think about it, Destiny's point might be further than Alex would go.
[00:59:28]  Yeah, yeah, I agree.
[00:59:29]  So yeah, if he's expecting some kind of a, like, ha ha, You're not going to touch this one.
[00:59:33]  Nope.
[00:59:33]  Destiny will.
[00:59:34]  So Alex has some more points about January 6th that are nonsense.
[00:59:40]  And so regardless of what the left tries to do, they're all out there of people taking off their Antifa stuff and putting on the...
[00:59:47]  He's talking about videos that are out there and, like, that the J6 committee tried to delete them and stuff.
[00:59:51]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:59:54]  Trump garb, and the police fake arresting people, attacking them, and then high-fiving them.
[01:00:00]  I mean, this has all come out in the new footage, and it's all getting...
[01:00:03]  Were they fake arresting them?
[01:00:04]  How were they fake arresting them?
[01:00:05]  They would grab them and arrest them, and then drag them in, and then high-five them, you know, take the handcuffs off and high-five them.
[01:00:09]  Those videos, people are going to take everything I say, they're going to put it on X, and show what I said.
[01:00:14]  That's where we dominate.
[01:00:15]  And so what I'm getting at here, let me just tell you this.
[01:00:18]  What I'm getting at here is, they now admit hundreds of federal officers were there.
[01:00:23]  So when Trump started his speech, this whole thing began with Ray Epps saying go into the Capitol.
[01:00:28]  He told the Jan 6th committee, yeah, it's true, it's in his text messages.
[01:00:31]  He told family, I orchestrated it.
[01:00:33]  So under pressure, they finally endowed him, but only recommended six months.
[01:00:37]  Before we get into the substance here, Alex hit the word dominate so hard there because he knows that it's true, and he is glad to be back on Twitter.
[01:00:44]  It's so easy to spread bullshit on there, and his side dominates the bullshit spreading game, so I understand him celebrating that.
[01:00:51]  So there's a video.
[01:00:57]  by being next to a metal detector.
[01:00:58]  Sure.
[01:00:59]  They remove the handcuffs.
[01:01:00]  The person being escorted offers one of the officers a fist bump.
[01:01:03]  That proves nothing.
[01:01:05]  I've been a bouncer and kicked drunks out of a bar I'm working at before, and they give me a hug or insist on shaking my hand.
[01:01:11]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:01:12]  That doesn't mean that we just finished pulling off a scheme.
[01:01:15]  No, sometimes, for some reason, when dudes are drunk and doing belligerent shit, they can suddenly be like Al Pacino in heat, being like, hey, you're just doing your job too, man.
[01:01:26]  We're not so different, you and I. Or a plausible explanation for this is that the people who stormed the Capitol are largely back-the-blue-type bootlickers, and when in the proximity of cops, they're likely to say something like, my uncle's a cop, or try to bond in some way.
[01:01:38]  That tends to happen, too.
[01:01:40]  If this person in the video were being escorted out but hadn't done anything to merit an arrest, I can easily see a cop giving them a fist bump to be polite and move things along.
[01:01:48]  The less likely scenario is that these were men who just engaged in surreptitious plots to stage a fake storming of the Capitol who decided to celebrate their crimes in full view of an obvious surveillance camera next to a metal detector.
[01:02:00]  Do you think any officer doesn't know that there are cameras everywhere in the Capitol, especially...
[01:02:05]  Right.
[01:02:11]  sure are plenty of messages where Alex's buddies and the Proud Boys, like Enrique Tarrio and Joe Biggs, are specifically telling their followers not to wear their traditional colors and to wear all black, like they say Antifa does.
[01:02:22]  Right.
[01:02:22]  So that's weird.
[01:02:23]  Yeah.
[01:02:23]  Ray Epps did text his nephew that he orchestrated the event, but he's explained that he was full of adrenaline after the riot and talking shit to impress them.
[01:02:31]  There's a video of him saying that they should go into the Capitol the night prior, but if that's the standard for proving that you're a Fed, then half of the employees at Infowars must be Feds.
[01:02:38]  There's also a video of Epps saying something to another person just before they start pushing the barricades to overrun the police line on the 6th.
[01:02:46]  Epps and the person that he spoke to have testified that Epps told the guy not to attack the police.
[01:02:50]  That's what he said to him.
[01:02:51]  Sure.
[01:02:52]  If Alex has evidence...
[01:02:53]  To the contrary, he's welcome to present it, but he doesn't.
[01:02:56]  Otherwise, this is just one of the most pathetic cases of scapegoating I've ever seen.
[01:03:00]  Ray Epps got caught on camera doing the thing that everyone, or at least a lot of people, were doing.
[01:03:05]  And because the extremists like Alex needed someone to blame so they could keep their revenue streams flowing, they made him the target.
[01:03:10]  And now he's testified that he lives in constant fear.
[01:03:14]  He's found a bunch of shells on his property and stuff.
[01:03:17]  Sure.
[01:03:17]  Such is the fate of those who get caught between people like Alex and lying for profit.
[01:03:21]  Nice to see one of the Krasensteins try and step in there, but that wet noodle doesn't stand a chance against Alex's bluster.
[01:03:27]  That was nothing.
[01:03:28]  That was even less than nothing.
[01:03:30]  That was almost like legitimizing by asking for an honest answer.
[01:03:35]  I'm sorry, could you clarify that?
[01:03:36]  Shut the fuck up.
[01:03:38]  I understand why that might be your instinct, but yeah, it's not going to work.
[01:03:43]  So, Alex just continues to ramble.
[01:03:45]  Well, of course!
[01:03:46]  A few hundred people got manipulated into fighting the police.
[01:03:49]  They were led and driven by provocateurs and other groups.
[01:03:52]  They were others, then they opened the doors and the police wave them in in hundreds of videos.
[01:03:56]  They walk between the velvet ropes and then they indict.
[01:03:59]  Over a thousand people that just walked through velvet ropes.
[01:04:02]  And then now we're told in the national security directive of President Biden, the number one threat is the American people.
[01:04:08]  And he had a declaration of war yesterday against all Trump supporters and says to protect democracy, we're not going to let you vote for Trump.
[01:04:16]  So as Stalin said, I care not who casts the votes.
[01:04:18]  I care who counts them.
[01:04:19]  Well, Biden doesn't care who casts the votes.
[01:04:22]  He cares who's allowed on the ballot.
[01:04:24]  So we've already won.
[01:04:25]  No one's buying this.
[01:04:27]  And when this happened three years ago, Is there a debate?
[01:04:34]  Is it happening?
[01:04:35]  Is this debating?
[01:04:38]  Before I was saying don't go in.
[01:04:39]  Where the fuck is Ian?
[01:04:40]  Ian, are you gonna help here?
[01:04:42]  This is so far off track.
[01:04:44]  Did he just launch into a personal story?
[01:04:46]  Yes!
[01:04:46]  And three people on the panel haven't even made opening statements.
[01:04:50]  Alex is just grandstanding and rattling off his normal talking points and making up complete bullshit.
[01:04:55]  He knows that this is safe to do because none of this can get fully examined and scrutinized.
[01:04:59]  There's no time.
[01:04:59]  And if anyone tries to, there's six people on this panel.
[01:05:02]  It's gonna be so easy to drive the train right off the tracks at any point.
[01:05:06]  If you consider this from the standpoint of an attempt to do a sincere, real debate, it's already a complete failure.
[01:05:11]  However, if you really just want to make a spectacle where a juiced-up Alex Jones talks shit and hopefully fights with someone on the panel, things are starting off well.
[01:05:18]  That's the way it's supposed to go!
[01:05:19]  Physical challenges.
[01:05:20]  Alex is clearly overstaying his welcome in this opening statement, which he wasn't asked to give.
[01:05:25]  And in doing so, he's clearly demonstrated that the moderator is asleep at the wheel and Alex is in charge.
[01:05:30]  Also, Alex says that the people who fought the police were led by, quote, provocateurs and other groups.
[01:05:36]  I don't know about the provocateur's part, but when he says the other groups, does he mean Oath Keepers and Proud Boys?
[01:05:41]  Because if he does, then yeah, that's definitely what happened.
[01:05:43]  A bunch of people were led to attack the Capitol by Alex's friends in those extremist groups, and simultaneously a bunch of non-violent participants went into the Capitol illegally trespassing and impeding the process of the certification.
[01:05:55]  Sure.
[01:05:55]  I don't know what he means by other groups, but I think he probably means Antifa.
[01:05:58]  I would assume Antifa.
[01:05:59]  Biden didn't announce war against the American public nor against Trump supporters, and he hasn't said that you can't vote for Trump.
[01:06:05]  He did a campaign speech, which is very anti-Trump because I think even Biden knows that Trump is the most likely candidate.
[01:06:10]  He's not worried about running against Vivek.
[01:06:12]  That much is clear.
[01:06:13]  Probably not.
[01:06:14]  But man, even for Alex, this is getting a little exhausting because generally when he's rambling on and on, he's alone on his show, which is socially somewhat normal.
[01:06:22]  Here, there's five other participants who are looking on and an idiot moderator not doing his job.
[01:06:27]  It feels so much more rude.
[01:06:29]  You can feel it in the listening.
[01:06:32]  Yeah.
[01:06:32]  Also, that's a fake Stalin quote.
[01:06:34]  Yeah.
[01:06:34]  That dude did not care about elections at all.
[01:06:36]  What is everybody talking about?
[01:06:37]  Yeah.
[01:06:38]  Stalin's secretary, Boris Bazhanov, which is way too close to the Rocky and Bullwinkle villain's name, he claimed that Stalin said this in his memoir, but there are some historical inaccuracies in that book, and there are examples of people saying this quote not attributed to Stalin going back into the 1800s.
[01:06:53]  So it's dubious at best.
[01:06:55]  You know, it's one of those things that maybe he said it, but it's not an original thought of his.
[01:06:59]  It's tough to write good quotes.
[01:07:01]  You're not wrong.
[01:07:02]  It's tough to write good quotes, and I don't know if you know this.
[01:07:04]  Quote.
[01:07:05]  Mark Twain.
[01:07:06]  But even back then, even back then, people had been around for a while with all the words.
[01:07:12]  They had plenty of them.
[01:07:13]  No, there were some new words.
[01:07:15]  They were making up...
[01:07:16]  New words are still happening.
[01:07:18]  That's true.
[01:07:19]  But, you know, all the good ones, they've been around for longer than most of the people you think said that quote.
[01:07:24]  Sure.
[01:07:25]  Let's face it.
[01:07:26]  Yeah.
[01:07:26]  Soy boy.
[01:07:27]  Exactly.
[01:07:28]  That was around in the 1800s.
[01:07:29]  Yeah, losers.
[01:07:30]  So Alex will not shut the fuck up.
[01:07:32]  Why not?
[01:07:34]  So as Stalin said, I care not who casts the votes.
[01:07:37]  I care who counts them.
[01:07:38]  Well, Biden doesn't care who casts the votes.
[01:07:40]  He cares who's allowed on the ballot.
[01:07:42]  So we've already won.
[01:07:44]  No one's buying this.
[01:07:45]  And when this happened three years ago, the Wall Street Journal had a print of retraction, but they said I was there as a coward telling people to attack.
[01:07:53]  Well, no, they wouldn't let me put the video on Twitter.
[01:07:56]  Before I was saying, don't go in.
[01:07:58]  But the truth is, it's coming out.
[01:08:00]  And so that's the bottom line here.
[01:08:03]  And this attempt by Biden to...
[01:08:06]  Cast the American people as the enemy in all these movies about martial law and civil war and race war.
[01:08:12]  That's their only hope because the corrupt, evil Democratic Party and its evil twin, the Republicans, they've lost power and populism is rising.

=== Is Secession Insurrection? (12:27) ===

[01:08:22]  Wait, the corrupt, evil Democratic Party has an evil twin?
[01:08:26]  And it's in the Declaration of Independence that it's our right and duty to get rid of a government that's destructive of what the people want.
[01:08:33]  But I'm not calling for violence.
[01:08:34]  We're winning this.
[01:08:36]  Politically, we're being cast as about to be violent in the next 10 months because all these indictments and all these attacks to not let Americans vote for who they want aren't working and are backfiring.
[01:08:46]  And all the big Democrat lawyers now admit it.
[01:08:48]  Axelrod admits it.
[01:08:49]  Take a breath.
[01:08:50]  Carvel admits it.
[01:08:51]  They all admit this attempt.
[01:08:53]  Like we're in Venezuela or something, to take Trump off the ballot when he's never been convicted of insurrection.
[01:08:58]  This is a military tribunal, U.S. code from the Civil War.
[01:09:03]  If a military tribunal found you were guilty of being involved in insurrection, that meant after the war ended...
[01:09:09]  Can I ask you a question?
[01:09:10]  Alex, can I ask you a question?
[01:09:12]  Yeah.
[01:09:13]  So, do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were taking an insurrection?
[01:09:19]  Interesting question.
[01:09:21]  I'm shocked Alex let a question be asked.
[01:09:25]  I mean, that was actually really kind of him because if you very easily could have been like, nope, fuck you!
[01:09:31]  And they kept going.
[01:09:32]  I suspect that it's probably because Alex has gotten a vibe that I'm not worried about this guy.
[01:09:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:09:39]  Alex is just like, sure, oh yeah, you can ask as many questions as you want, little boy.
[01:09:43]  Talk for 15 seconds and then I'll do another five.
[01:09:45]  I'll do another type five.
[01:09:46]  I need a drink.
[01:09:49]  It's ridiculous.
[01:09:51]  Oh, boy.
[01:09:51]  So, do you think that's an interesting question?
[01:09:54]  No, it's not an interesting...
[01:09:56]  Because by virtue of asking the question, you've already framed exactly what's going on.
[01:10:01]  Right?
[01:10:01]  That's your question right there.
[01:10:02]  Can you?
[01:10:04]  Yes, no.
[01:10:05]  Well, then, if we're already at that question, there's no point in us talking.
[01:10:09]  Right.
[01:10:10]  Well, but the...
[01:10:12]  So when you're asking a question in a debate setting, one of the things that you should always be doing is considering what are the dialogue trees that come from this person saying yes or saying no.
[01:10:23]  What is your goal in saying, is the Confederacy an insurrection?
[01:10:29]  Sure.
[01:10:29]  What happens if Alex says yes?
[01:10:31]  What happens if Alex says no?
[01:10:33]  And I'm not sure necessarily...
[01:10:37]  Well, I know that one of them ends in a dead end.
[01:10:39]  Yeah.
[01:10:39]  I know that the other could possibly lead to something.
[01:10:42]  But why are you expecting a direct answer?
[01:10:44]  Yeah, I mean...
[01:10:45]  When you consider how debates generally go like that, with, I have this idea, you're going to respond to it, I'm going to respond to your response, or whatever.
[01:10:55]  Yeah.
[01:10:56]  Imagining that this could ever go like that is so dumb.
[01:11:01]  If you are asking self-evident questions in a debate...
[01:11:05]  Then you're either being a prick trying to make people feel stupid, or you're revealing how much of a waste of time this is, because the point of the debate is you running up against somebody who's denying a self-evident question.
[01:11:18]  It's an attempt to box Alex into something that's not a box.
[01:11:22]  Yeah!
[01:11:22]  And we'll see how that goes with this coked-out ass.
[01:11:27]  Do you think the Confederates during the Civil War were partaking in an insurrection?
[01:11:35]  I mean, in retrospect, because I wasn't alive then, I think the South got manipulated into that.
[01:11:40]  I'm sorry, what?
[01:11:41]  In retrospect?
[01:11:42]  The abolitionists had a good point.
[01:11:44]  They had a good point.
[01:11:45]  Hindsight is 20-20.
[01:11:46]  Slavery was bad.
[01:11:48]  True.
[01:11:48]  So just to be clear, the person that's defending the J6 rioters won't say that the Confederate states were engaged in insurrection.
[01:11:55]  Well, that's not what I see.
[01:11:56]  See, here's what happens.
[01:11:58]  Hold on.
[01:12:00]  That's not true.
[01:12:01]  That's what it sounded like you said.
[01:12:02]  Well, you can correct the record.
[01:12:03]  So do you think they were engaged in insurrection?
[01:12:05]  I was trying to talk, and the thing I said was, I think the South was wrong, and then you just said...
[01:12:12]  You just said that I support what the South did.
[01:12:15]  No.
[01:12:16]  I didn't say you supported that.
[01:12:16]  I said that you said that they weren't engaged in insurrection.
[01:12:18]  Do you think the Confederate states were engaged in insurrection?
[01:12:20]  The Insurrection Act was that because there were rebellions during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, and they were saying if you lead an uprising against the northern occupation of the South, you're precluded from running from office because they were worried about Southerners getting office again, like Jefferson.
[01:12:36]  No, so no, I do not support the Civil War or slavery.
[01:12:40]  Wait, what?
[01:12:40]  And I'm not a, quote, Confederate.
[01:12:41]  Okay, but was it an insurrection?
[01:12:43]  My question is, was it an insurrection, yes or no?
[01:12:46]  Yes, if you were...
[01:12:47]  No, no, no.
[01:12:50]  Yes, no.
[01:12:51]  Nah!
[01:12:52]  This is exactly what you should expect in this situation.
[01:12:55]  Yeah, what are you doing?
[01:12:56]  Alex is so coked out or on too much brain force that he can't even follow a simple question.
[01:13:01]  The question was, do you think the Confederacy was engaged in an insurrection?
[01:13:06]  needs to ramble a bunch of bullshit meant to deflect from the actual reality that he does support the Confederacy and his relatives proudly fought for them.
[01:13:13]  It's all disconnected from the question that was asked, and Alex is doing that on purpose because his mind can't understand what is being asked, and more importantly, why it's being asked.
[01:13:22]  There is that.
[01:13:23]  The question is being asked by one of the Krasensteins, who I can't tell apart, so like I said, I'm going to start calling them bed.
[01:13:28]  And he's asking this because it gives a baseline for if the very obvious insurrection is something Alex can call an insurrection.
[01:13:35]  As Alex rambles to avoid the point, Destiny accurately points out that Alex is not saying yes or no.
[01:13:40]  It has nothing to do with supporting the Confederacy or not.
[01:13:42]  It has to do with committing to a definition because Destiny wants Alex to stake a position.
[01:13:47]  If Alex says the Confederacy wasn't an insurrection, then nothing can be.
[01:13:51]  If he says that it was, then that allows you to open the door to refine the point down by trying to determine what it was about the Confederacy that made their actions an insurrection.
[01:14:00]  Alex doesn't want to commit to either because he likes to be slippery, and he kind of realizes that if he slows down and gets into details, even Bed is smarter than him.
[01:14:09]  So Alex gets into theatrics, pretending to be offended, and ascribing positions to Destiny that Destiny never said.
[01:14:15]  The ultimate irony is that Alex absolutely does support the Confederacy.
[01:14:19]  I mean, yeah.
[01:14:21]  This is one thing that I just hate so much about these people.
[01:14:25]  Fucking be proud of trying to overthrow a country.
[01:14:28]  That's tough to do.
[01:14:30]  No, no, because you failed.
[01:14:31]  Most people don't.
[01:14:32]  Most people don't even try.
[01:14:34]  You miss 100% of the countries you don't try and take over.
[01:14:36]  Meh, that's true.
[01:14:37]  Okay.
[01:14:37]  Mark Twain.
[01:14:40]  So, Bed comes back with what he thinks is a gotcha.
[01:14:45]  My question is, was it an insurrection, yes or no?
[01:14:48]  Yes, if you were...
[01:14:49]  No, no, no.
[01:14:51]  The law...
[01:14:52]  Yes, I think that it was a civil war.
[01:14:54]  You could say an insurrection.
[01:14:55]  Okay, so it was an insurrection.
[01:14:57]  Did anybody get charged with insurrection rebellion?
[01:15:00]  What I'm saying is...
[01:15:01]  Violating the statute.
[01:15:02]  Did anybody get charged...
[01:15:02]  You're not listening.
[01:15:03]  No, I'm asking...
[01:15:03]  You just said it was an insurrection.
[01:15:04]  Did anybody get charged with violating the insurrection and rebellion statute?
[01:15:09]  Yes, people did.
[01:15:10]  No, because there was no statute there.
[01:15:12]  That's my point.
[01:15:13]  You don't need to violate that statute in order to be partaking in insurrection.
[01:15:19]  This is pretty sad.
[01:15:20]  Let this man run the government!
[01:15:23]  So Bette is trying to force Alex down this road of argument.
[01:15:26]  One, was the Confederacy an insurrection?
[01:15:29]  The obvious answer is yes.
[01:15:30]  Two, was anyone charged with insurrection?
[01:15:33]  The obvious answer is no, because those laws weren't on the books yet.
[01:15:36]  Three, this means it's possible to engage in insurrection without being charged with a crime of insurrection, which means that Trump can be considered to have engaged in insurrection without being charged with that crime.
[01:15:46]  Bed jumped the gun, though.
[01:15:48]  Alex only kind of admitted that the Confederacy was an insurrection.
[01:15:51]  He said it was a civil war, and he was probably getting ready to say, and you can call that an insurrection, but Bed rushed to try and get to, uh...
[01:15:57]  Stage two of this dialogue tree.
[01:15:59]  This is stupid because Alex is just going to say whatever he wants and he doesn't care about some dumb gotcha moment.
[01:16:04]  And this entire thing falls apart because of the flaw in Bed's premise.
[01:16:08]  This situation between the Confederacy and Trump are not analogous, because in the present day those laws do exist.
[01:16:14]  The people who are not being charged with the crime of insurrection when the law didn't exist isn't doing the heavy lifting that he thinks it is.
[01:16:21]  Ex post facto laws, which would charge people for crimes they committed prior to those things being a crime, are explicitly against the Constitution.
[01:16:28]  The U.S. was going to charge many of the Confederate leaders with treason, but decided not to prosecute them, and Andrew Johnson mass-pardoned every member of the Confederacy that wasn't charged in that group who ended up not getting prosecuted anyway.
[01:16:39]  So odds are that these people wouldn't have been charged with insurrection, even if those laws were on the books, probably because there'd just been a civil war and people were tired.
[01:16:47]  The easy way around this is to not get hung up on the word insurrection.
[01:16:50]  Like, the only reason that's a buzzword is because it's a word that's used in the statute that Colorado cited to bar Trump from the ballot.
[01:16:57]  In terms of the conversation about January 6th, that shit's just a distraction.
[01:17:01]  Go with sedition.
[01:17:02]  Multiple of Alex's close friends are in jail for that right now.
[01:17:05]  All of this, everything that's happened so far, is not really that important.
[01:17:10]  Unless this is not a debate about January 6th, but in fact is Trojan horsing a debate about the Colorado decision not to have Trump on the ballot, which...
[01:17:20]  I don't even know if that's the intent, but it seems to me that's the way things are going.
[01:17:24]  I think there is an interesting question that is not being asked, and that is, is secession insurrection?
[01:17:34]  Is there a peaceful way for you to leave the country?
[01:17:39]  Yeah.
[01:17:40]  Is there a peaceful way?
[01:17:42]  There have been bloodless coups in the past.
[01:17:43]  No, no, I mean, for South Carolina.
[01:17:45]  For South Carolina to say we are no longer part of this country, we voted, we're not part of the United States anymore.
[01:17:51]  I don't see...
[01:17:52]  Is there a peaceful way?
[01:17:53]  Because the United States is going to reasonably look at it...
[01:17:55]  Do you mean then or now?
[01:17:57]  Whenever.
[01:17:58]  Well, then we have evidence that it didn't.
[01:17:59]  Well, yeah, exactly.
[01:18:00]  But, I mean, the idea being, no, you can't take our stuff.
[01:18:05]  Sure.
[01:18:06]  You know?
[01:18:06]  Well, you know, I...
[01:18:09]  Obviously, the European Union isn't as deeply entrenched as the United States.
[01:18:14]  So the idea of Brexit actually happening, I don't think lends credence to the possibility of a state seceding peacefully.
[01:18:23]  And that's also a union that was made up of sovereign nations in advance as opposed to a bunch of states that tried to become one.
[01:18:30]  I think that in tense circumstances, I think you could paint a picture where...
[01:18:39]  That is possible.
[01:18:40]  But I think it's almost impossible.
[01:18:42]  I think it's functionally impossible.
[01:18:45]  Well, I mean, you would have to negotiate who gets your stuff.
[01:18:48]  True.
[01:18:49]  And you'd have to negotiate trade agreements with the rest of the United States and things like that.
[01:18:53]  It would be...
[01:18:54]  From a sort of functional logistics standpoint, it's almost inconceivable.
[01:18:59]  But just from a could they, in theory, peacefully decide to vote, it would probably have to be an overwhelming amount of vote.
[01:19:08]  Because in order to amend the Constitution, you need two-thirds vote of all the states.
[01:19:14]  Yeah, you need a civil war.
[01:19:15]  But let's say that South Carolina, in this example, voted 80%, and it was a legitimate vote.
[01:19:21]  Sure.
[01:19:23]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:25]  It might prompt another civil war, but maybe it's possible.
[01:19:31]  Because then the answer is, the land is ours, so if you don't want to be part of the United States, you have to go, South Carolina, and we'll put United States people back in there.
[01:19:41]  That's the thing.
[01:19:43]  I'm not sure.
[01:19:44]  No, so, I mean, the reality is there's no peaceful way to do it.
[01:19:47]  I think you're probably right.
[01:19:48]  So the idea of this question is stupid.
[01:19:51]  You wanted to not be the country anymore.
[01:19:54]  That is a violent thing.
[01:19:56]  So, moving on.
[01:19:58]  But you didn't think that was a good gotcha?
[01:20:01]  Sorry.
[01:20:02]  No.
[01:20:02]  Sorry.
[01:20:03]  So, I mean, look, this is just, it descends into what I would describe as incoherence.
[01:20:09]  Because the Civil War was an insurrection and nobody got charged with violating that.
[01:20:13]  No, that's what I'm saying.
[01:20:15]  That's my point, Alex.
[01:20:16]  You're changing the subject because you know the threat.
[01:20:19]  All of the Democratic Party lawyers on CNN say you have to be convicted under the 14th Amendment of this before you can be.
[01:20:27]  You can't just because...
[01:20:29]  You don't get convicted under the 14th Amendment.
[01:20:30]  You get convicted under Section 2383 of Title 18. Well, let's slow down a little.

=== Comparing January 6th (15:41) ===

[01:20:35]  Let's slow down a little.
[01:20:36]  A congressional resolution to give a...
[01:20:40]  He's not a conviction of Donald Trump to remove him from the ballot.
[01:20:45]  He's been indicted for saying they stole an election.
[01:20:48]  So now they want to take him off the ballot so you can't vote for him, which is pure stealing of an election.
[01:20:54]  He's the Yankee Yankee.
[01:20:56]  He's not somebody in Georgia.
[01:20:59]  He's not Robert E. Lee.
[01:21:00]  This has nothing to do with it.
[01:21:03]  On the 14th Amendment, it doesn't require a conviction under Section 3. You can literally put it on the text on the screen.
[01:21:08]  It does not say it needs to be convicted.
[01:21:10]  I guess we need to define the difference.
[01:21:12]  Alex, Alex, Alex, one second.
[01:21:14]  We need to define the difference between...
[01:21:16]  The casual term insurrection and the legal definition of insurrection.
[01:21:19]  Well, there's another thing we need to talk about.
[01:21:22]  So, yes, there's the casual term.
[01:21:24]  There's the etymology of the term insurrection, which simply suggests a rising up.
[01:21:29]  So by that...
[01:21:31]  That could encompass a wide range of things.
[01:21:34]  Black lives matter!
[01:21:35]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:21:37]  I love Darren Beattie being like, calm your racism for a moment, Alex.
[01:21:42]  Don't get ahead of the ball.
[01:21:43]  Big picture here, though, these guys are having different conversations about different things, and it's a complete waste of time.
[01:21:49]  Destiny, to his credit, is doing the best he can without just constantly jumping in, so I'm going to excuse him and Glenn from this, since Glenn hasn't said shit since hello.
[01:21:58]  Wise move, Glenn.
[01:22:00]  The question on the table is whether January 6th was an insurrection, which you could be generous and assume that Bed is still trying to nail down.
[01:22:07]  You don't have to be convicted of insurrection for something to be an insurrection.
[01:22:10]  Therefore, the participants at January 6th were engaging in an insurrection, even though none of them were charged with that statute.
[01:22:16]  You could argue that that is what Bed is trying to nail down.
[01:22:20]  Sure.
[01:22:20]  Meanwhile, Alex is having a conversation about Trump being kicked off the Colorado ballot.
[01:22:24]  He's so far past caring about the question of whether or not January 6th was an insurrection, which makes sense.
[01:22:29]  In that minutes-long rant the moderator let him go on, he said that his side had already won, so he's just moved on to pretending this is just a talking head show on Fox instead of a debate about January 6th between his dumbass and people who don't agree with him.
[01:22:42]  Bed doesn't understand that Alex is having a different conversation and Ian doesn't know what's going on, so he's helpless to get things back on track, but he does try.
[01:22:49]  But you notice that when Alex is just ranting and saying bullshit unchallenged, Ian doesn't really do anything.
[01:22:54]  Nah.
[01:22:54]  As soon as Bed pops in and points out that Alex is wrong and Alex gets defensive...
[01:22:58]  Gentlemen, gentlemen, excuse me, gentlemen!
[01:22:59]  Slow down, slow down.
[01:23:01]  Everybody, we need to slow down.
[01:23:02]  No need to slow down Alex when he's on a tangential coke rant, but as soon as Alex is in trouble, then everyone needs to cool out.
[01:23:08]  Almost like the moderator and the subscription service that funded this shit are on Alex's side.
[01:23:12]  Does seem very similar.
[01:23:13]  Ian does come in with the goods, though, and says that they need to disambiguate the legal and colloquial understandings of the word insurrection.
[01:23:20]  It could have saved us a lot of time from the jump, but oh well.
[01:23:23]  And then, as soon as the moderator has provided some sort of guidance to get us back on track, Darren Beattie comes in with some fake intellectual-ass nonsense about the Etymology of insurrection.
[01:23:32]  Making sure we're distracted off the point once again.
[01:23:35]  Darren is fairly right, though, that insurrection comes from the Latin root insurgo, which means to rise up, but it almost always has the connotation of rising up against something, generally specifically from within that thing.
[01:23:45]  This is intellectual masturbation, though, because everyone understands that over time words take on connotations, and generally speaking, insurrectionist is the negative version of revolutionary.
[01:23:54]  Call January 6th an attempted revolution if you want.
[01:23:57]  The point is the same.
[01:23:58]  It was an attempt to overthrow the government.
[01:23:59]  Yeah.
[01:23:59]  Like, you can put whatever flavor on it you want.
[01:24:02]  You want to be positive about it?
[01:24:03]  Be negative about it?
[01:24:04]  Yeah.
[01:24:04]  Whatever.
[01:24:05]  I'm not going to quibble.
[01:24:06]  Yeah, I mean, honestly, the overthrow the government part is neutral.
[01:24:09]  Not to them.
[01:24:10]  No.
[01:24:10]  But that's because they tried to do it.
[01:24:12]  Right, right.
[01:24:12]  But I mean, like, it doesn't matter which side you are on in any situation or whatever side.
[01:24:19]  Well, it's descriptive.
[01:24:20]  Overthrowing the government is just overthrowing the government.
[01:24:22]  There was one, then there's going to be another one.
[01:24:25]  Yeah.
[01:24:25]  Don't worry about it.
[01:24:27]  Generally...
[01:24:27]  It's what the reason for it is.
[01:24:29]  Right.
[01:24:30]  The thing that you should really try to spend most of your time litigating.
[01:24:34]  Exactly.
[01:24:34]  And that's not going to happen.
[01:24:35]  No.
[01:24:35]  So anyway, blowhard ass Beattie.
[01:24:37]  Here we go, Beattie.
[01:24:38]  Oh boy.
[01:24:39]  Etomology!
[01:24:40]  Then there's the legal definition, but we have politically weaponized court systems, so that's not even, I think, a proper standard.
[01:24:48]  I think the proper standard is...
[01:24:50]  Whatever you feel like?
[01:24:51]  ...the sweep of a proper historical perspective.
[01:24:55]  Boo!
[01:24:56]  Does the event...
[01:24:57]  Of January 6th compare to the antecedent that we've been discussing, the Civil War.
[01:25:03]  So if the question is, oh, is Civil War an insurrection?
[01:25:07]  My question is, is the scope and scale of the event of January 6th comparable to the Civil War?
[01:25:14]  Because Joe Biden has directly made this comparison, which I think is flatly ridiculous.
[01:25:18]  And that comparison has to be valid in order for these ridiculous Section 3 arguments to have any...
[01:25:28]  It's a lie on its face.
[01:25:30]  It's a lie.
[01:25:31]  I'm going to shut up.
[01:25:31]  It's a lie on its face.
[01:25:33]  What a complete fucking dumb shit.
[01:25:34]  If there's any lie on its face, it says Alex is going to shut up.
[01:25:37]  That is never going to happen.
[01:25:38]  Yeah, that's crazy.
[01:25:39]  And guess what?
[01:25:39]  The Civil War is both comparable and not comparable to January 6th.
[01:25:43]  They're comparable in the sense that they're both attempts to overthrow the federal government of the United States, but if you try to say that, Darren is going to try and pretend that you're saying that they're comparable in terms of scale and impact because that's an indefensible position to hold.
[01:25:55]  And to be clear, the conversation that had to do with the Civil War wasn't, was the Civil War an insurrection?
[01:26:00]  It was, was the Confederacy an insurrection?
[01:26:03]  The question as it stands in the debate should be understood not just to be about the war, but the things that led up to the war that the Confederacy did.
[01:26:10]  Darren has fundamentally changed the subject of this conversation in order for him to try to set this trap and pretend that Biden thinks that January 6th is comparable to the Civil War in terms of scale.
[01:26:19]  That's because he's a rhetoric trickster.
[01:26:21]  There's literally no reason to accept the framing that in order to call January 6th I find this thought interesting.
[01:26:49]  Yeah.
[01:26:50]  Alright, so...
[01:26:51]  America doesn't win the Revolutionary War.
[01:26:54]  No United States.
[01:26:55]  Right.
[01:26:56]  All of those people who did the Boston Tea Party thing, are they the whiny people that we're listening to right now?
[01:27:04]  They have to be, right?
[01:27:05]  They're the exact same whiny losers that we're listening to right now if they lose the American Revolution.
[01:27:10]  They go, oh no, we were just getting rid of Tea Party.
[01:27:13]  Or they were just blaming, oh, it was Native Americans who did it.
[01:27:16]  These people are all fucking cowards if they lose.
[01:27:19]  All of them.
[01:27:21]  Pathetic.
[01:27:22]  I think, yeah, the opportunity was just a little hotter back then.
[01:27:26]  They just all broke a different direction.
[01:27:28]  Fewer people, yeah.
[01:27:29]  That's disgusting.
[01:27:31]  I'm so fucking disappointed now.
[01:27:33]  All of these people are cowards.
[01:27:35]  I hate them.
[01:27:36]  I fucked George Washington right up in his face.
[01:27:39]  I feel like this kind of energy would have helped with this debate.
[01:27:41]  I think I would have liked it, yeah.
[01:27:42]  Now I'm kind of in.
[01:27:44]  So Bed decides to try and sidestep this Civil War discussion and go with another example of a possible insurrection.
[01:27:53]  What about 1992, the L.A. riots?
[01:27:57]  George Herbert Walker Bush, he invoked the Insurrection Act.
[01:28:02]  12,000 people were arrested.
[01:28:04]  63 people were killed.
[01:28:06]  Hundreds were injured.
[01:28:07]  Was that an insurrection?
[01:28:09]  What do you guys think?
[01:28:10]  It's a declaration of federal martial law.
[01:28:13]  But was it an insurrection?
[01:28:14]  Because nobody there was charged with violating Section 2383, the insurrection and rebellion statute.
[01:28:23]  But we still consider that an insurrection, right?
[01:28:25]  By their yardstick, Kamala Harris bailing out people that firebomb federal buildings.
[01:28:29]  Glenn, talk to me.
[01:28:30]  You have something to say.
[01:28:32]  Yeah, I actually think what Destiny and what Ed are saying are very important.
[01:28:36]  First of all, I was going to say that I think one of the problems with how these things are debated is that a lot of people these days have very binary prisms for understanding things.
[01:28:45]  A lot of that comes from YouTube debate where you have to declare yourself on one side or the other.
[01:28:48]  So Destiny said, oh, everybody either hates this insurrection, thinks it's an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good.
[01:28:57]  And there's so much middle ground.
[01:28:59]  So Bed asks about 1992 because it's a clear example of a time when the Insurrection Act was invoked to control an uprising, and yet no one was charged with insurrection.
[01:29:07]  Right.
[01:29:07]  This is kind of coffin nails to the argument that Alex is making, so he tries to deflect and bring up his incoherent talking point about Kamala Harris.
[01:29:13]  Sensing Alex is in trouble, Ian throws it to Glenn, who then laments about how polarized we've become because of online debates.
[01:29:19]  Guess what, dipshit?
[01:29:20]  You're currently in one of those stupid debates, and all the promotional material was real polarized, with your dumbass on Alex's side.
[01:29:27]  I guess it's...
[01:29:28]  It's like they say, let he without dignity cast the first stone.
[01:29:31]  Fucking condescending fuck.
[01:29:33]  Glenn goes on to then mischaracterize Destiny's opening point.
[01:29:36]  Destiny said that people would argue that January 6th wasn't the culmination of a concerted effort to overthrow the election carried out by Trump and his team.
[01:29:44]  Either A, think that no action could ever constitute an attempt to overthrow the government.
[01:29:49]  B, they actually support the overthrow of the government, whether they realize or admit it or not.
[01:29:53]  Or C, they don't know what actually happened that day.
[01:29:56]  But this is how Glenn characterizes.
[01:29:57]  So Destiny said, oh, everybody either...
[01:30:01]  Hates this insurrection, thinks it's an insurrection, or they deny it happens, or they think it's good.
[01:30:07]  And there's so much middle ground.
[01:30:09]  Glenn is imposing polarization onto Destiny's words in order to pretend to be above it.
[01:30:14]  And like he has some kind of enlightened, nuanced position.
[01:30:17]  But that's bullshit.
[01:30:18]  They put out promotional material for this debate, and he's on the red team with Alex and Darren.
[01:30:23]  If he didn't consent to that, and he has the kind of complaints he seems to care about so much here, he should have canceled.
[01:30:28]  Because otherwise you look like a dick.
[01:30:31]  Well, I mean, he is.
[01:30:34]  So, in a way, this is just a man embracing himself.
[01:30:39]  Yeah, coming into his own condescending fuckery.
[01:30:42]  And if that man is a dick, there you go!
[01:30:45]  I think we've all figured it out.
[01:30:47]  So Glenn's got a little bit of a middle ground here, and he describes it definitely...
[01:30:54]  Smoothly and very...
[01:30:56]  You know what?
[01:30:57]  He doesn't get interrupted a lot.
[01:30:58]  And I think that's probably because he's there remotely.
[01:31:00]  Yeah, that would make sense.
[01:31:00]  And because Alex is an obsequious dick.
[01:31:04]  And there's so much middle ground.
[01:31:06]  Namely that, for me, this was a political protest that spilled over into a riot where a small minority of the people engage in violence.
[01:31:14]  I don't think we want to urge that to happen.
[01:31:16]  We don't want to defend that.
[01:31:18]  I consider that lamentable.
[01:31:19]  But the fact that it's laughable to call this an insurrection is actually demonstrated by the examples that they're using.
[01:31:25]  This was...
[01:31:27]  A three-hour riot that was extremely easily subdued.
[01:31:31]  It doesn't remotely compare to any prior insurrections, let alone to the Civil War.
[01:31:36]  The only people who were killed on January 6th were four people, all four of whom were Trump supporters, two of whom dropped out of a heart attack and one from a speed overdose because these were not exactly a well-trained militia.
[01:31:51]  And when Jack Smith went to charge Donald Trump with multiple crimes, he had a lot of options to charge him with, and he charged him with a lot of crimes, including very dubious ones.
[01:32:00]  He did not charge him with inciting an insurrection for reasons that I think we ought to ask ourselves why.
[01:32:06]  But the fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media who needed this to be a major event immediately started lying about what happened, saying that Brian Sicknick...
[01:32:18]  Was murdered when he had his head bashed in through a fight with a fire extinguisher, only to learn that actually he called his mother that night.
[01:32:26]  He was fine.
[01:32:26]  He died the next day of what the coroner said were natural causes.
[01:32:29]  Because the media knew that if you can't say that even one person supposedly perpetrating the insurrection killed anybody, pulled out a gun.
[01:32:39]  Let alone discharge the weapon, all of which is true.
[01:32:42]  It's a joke to call this an insurrection.
[01:32:44]  At best, it's a riot.
[01:32:45]  Hey, dipshit.
[01:32:46]  There was a riot inside and around the capital of the country where people were wandering around searching for politicians chanting, Hang Mike Pence.
[01:32:53]  The media didn't need to lie to sensationalize anything.
[01:32:55]  It just so happened that some of the early reports, particularly the one about Brian Sicknick, were inaccurate.
[01:33:01]  Yeah.
[01:33:02]  And this dipshit is also failing to mention that two people, Julian Catter and George Tanios, were both charged with assaulting Brian Sicknick.
[01:33:11]  And not for nothing, but the media didn't just make up the story to sensationalize things.
[01:33:20]  They were reporting what the Capitol Police told them.
[01:33:22]  That could have been an instance of the police not always being the most honest when interacting with the media, or it could be an issue of bad information being conveyed by no intentional fault of anyone along the chain.
[01:33:32]  It's entirely possible that there was a miscommunication along the line, and this incident where Sicknick was attacked with pepper spray got mixed up with the incident on January 6th where Robert Stanford Jr. hit three Capitol officers in the head with a fire extinguisher and threw a traffic cone at them yelling, traitors.
[01:33:47]  He was sentenced to 52 months in prison and immediately sought out therapy to recover from what he describes as cult programming that led him to attack those officers.
[01:33:55]  What I'm saying is that there are explanations for the inaccurate reports about the cause of Sicknick's death that have nothing to do with the media lying about it.
[01:34:01]  because they're so desperate to turn this into a dramatic story if you can hear Glenn say this The fact that this is such a minor event in history is demonstrated by the fact that the media who needed this to be a major event immediately started lying.
[01:34:15]  If you can hear that and not immediately get what kind of a dipshit he is, then you're not thinking straight.
[01:34:20]  Oh yeah, thousands of people overtaking the Capitol building in an effort to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
[01:34:25]  That's not even a big deal!
[01:34:26]  Just a minor story, says very serious and sincere journalist Glenn Dipshit.
[01:34:30]  I'm being a little mean and I recognize that, but it's only because with Glenn, you know he knows what he's doing.
[01:34:36]  Alex is a coked-out idiot living in an oxygen deprivation hallucination for 40 years, so you can write him off.
[01:34:42]  But Glenn, he knows what he's doing.
[01:34:44]  So I have a little more ire for him, perhaps, than Alex.
[01:34:49]  You know, it's more indefensible.
[01:34:51]  It is very much a guy who's like...
[01:34:56]  Almost always got a, ain't I a stinker kind of act towards him whenever it's like- And he's really condescending.
[01:35:02]  Yeah, and it's like, fuck, you're- Oh, God, I hate him.
[01:35:05]  I hate him so much.
[01:35:06]  Yep.
[01:35:06]  And you know that the history has a trajectory, and it came from a place that was better.
[01:35:14]  Yeah.
[01:35:16]  So, anyway, Glenn, serious journalist, right?
[01:35:19]  I mean, he's nuanced, respectable.
[01:35:22]  People used to say that.
[01:35:24]  I think it was a credence to it.
[01:35:26]  20 years, man!
[01:35:27]  I feel so old.
[01:35:29]  Because I was alive when Greenwald wasn't a giant piece of shit.
[01:35:33]  And he's gonna get real condescending about people's ages and stuff a little later.
[01:35:38]  Man, I was so excited watching Citizen 4. It was so thrilling.
[01:35:42]  It was like, oh, this means something.
[01:35:44]  This is cool.
[01:35:45]  Fucking hell.
[01:35:47]  That should have a...
[01:35:48]  That should have a disclaimer on it now.
[01:35:50]  That movie should have to be, like, re-shot from start to finish.
[01:35:54]  It's that trajectory is like, it just calls to mind a slide whistle.
[01:35:58]  Yeah.

=== Biden's Speech Debate (06:22) ===

[01:36:01]  So anyway, fuck this dude.
[01:36:03]  Yeah.
[01:36:03]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:36:04]  Trump hasn't been charged with an insurrection.
[01:36:05]  The only time he ever commented on January 6th about whether he thought there should be violence or not was when he said the following.
[01:36:13]  He said...
[01:36:14]  I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
[01:36:21]  He urged them to be peaceful in how they went there.
[01:36:25]  To the extent there was violence, I think you can make the argument.
[01:36:27]  That's a man who always meant the words, he said.
[01:36:29]  Even the New York Times events were there were the ones that urged it.
[01:36:31]  But even if the people who were there were the ones responsible, at best, this is a riot.
[01:36:36]  You could so easily make the case that the 2020 riots were as a far greater insurrectionary threat than anything that happened on January 6th.
[01:36:44]  Perfectly said.
[01:36:45]  I would ask the left over here.
[01:36:47]  I know Ian's asked the questions.
[01:36:49]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:36:49]  Did you guys see Biden's speech?
[01:36:51]  I mean, it's an hour long.
[01:36:53]  What?
[01:36:53]  So, man, it's so weird how those are the only quotes from Trump's speech that Glenn thinks are relevant.
[01:36:57]  I was just looking over a transcript and it seems like he missed some stuff.
[01:36:59]  Like the part where he smirks while the crowd chants fight for Trump after he tells them that he won't let the Democrats steal the election.
[01:37:05]  Sure.
[01:37:06]  What about the part at the end where Trump said, quote, and we fight.
[01:37:08]  We fight like hell.
[01:37:09]  And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.
[01:37:12]  Yeah, that one's tough.
[01:37:13]  Did Glenn miss that?
[01:37:14]  It seems like an honest mistake that a sincere and nuanced journalist could make.
[01:37:17]  As for Glenn's point about the riots in 2020 being a bigger insurrectionary threat, my first question would be, do you think the fact that they didn't happen at the Capitol building on the day of the election involving a giant mob of people who believed they had the blessing of their god king to fight like hell to overturn an election might make this a little more serious than a burned police station or a looted target?
[01:37:35]  And once again, Alex just steamrolls Ian as the host and essentially decided that this is his show, which of course it is.
[01:37:40]  Alex doesn't want to talk about January 6th in this January 6th debate because he knows that Destiny at least isn't an idiot and he's prepared.
[01:37:46]  So he tries to distract off in Biden's speech from last night.
[01:37:51]  I mean, what's Ian doing?
[01:37:54]  What is the debate about?
[01:37:59]  It's supposed to be about whether January 6th was a manufactured event.
[01:38:03]  That's the debate.
[01:38:04]  Right.
[01:38:05]  Whether it was a manufactured event.
[01:38:07]  A false flag, if you will.
[01:38:08]  All right.
[01:38:09]  That's what the debate is about.
[01:38:11]  And if you squint.
[01:38:12]  Pretty hard.
[01:38:13]  You can find a little bit of connective tissue in some of the stuff that they've been saying that relates, but not much.
[01:38:21]  All right.
[01:38:21]  So, okay.
[01:38:22]  So if we're supposed to be getting to the fucking bottom of whether or not it was a false flag, where does that even start?
[01:38:32]  Well, I assume it would start with trying to demonstrate that everything bad was precipitated by agents provocateur and stuff like that.
[01:38:41]  That's probably where you would go about it.
[01:38:43]  Man!
[01:38:45]  This is tough to sit through.
[01:38:48]  It is.
[01:38:48]  This is tough to sit through.
[01:38:49]  Yeah, and Alex will be more fucked up as this goes along, and so it becomes a little bit more interesting.
[01:38:54]  Yeah, that'll make it easier.
[01:38:56]  But for now, Alex is just veering off into talking about Biden's speech.
[01:39:00]  Yeah, I'm trying to focus on words.
[01:39:01]  I don't want to focus on these words.
[01:39:03]  But this really threw me off.
[01:39:04]  Okay.
[01:39:05]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:39:05]  Did you guys see Biden's speech?
[01:39:07]  I mean, it was an hour long that no one there was good.
[01:39:11]  They were all there.
[01:39:12]  I'm over a million people.
[01:39:13]  I was there.
[01:39:14]  And then we marched down there to have another rally, and then I see this hell, this terrible thing happening.
[01:39:19]  It was medieval.
[01:39:20]  And then Biden's saying they're all bad, and we can't let you vote for Trump.
[01:39:25]  I mean, come on, man.
[01:39:28]  We have a clip from Biden's speech I want to play.
[01:39:30]  What?
[01:39:31]  You can't do that!
[01:39:33]  No!
[01:39:34]  It's clip number four, Biden's speech.
[01:39:36]  What?
[01:39:37]  How does he...
[01:39:38]  He's prepared in some way, which is terrifying.
[01:39:40]  He has a clip ready to go.
[01:39:42]  I don't know, man.
[01:39:43]  I don't even feel like he's trying to turn this into a debate.
[01:39:45]  I don't think you can call it that.
[01:39:47]  This is a game of playing, like, let's let shitheads talk while token liberals we invited here politely wait their turn that isn't coming.
[01:39:53]  Yeah.
[01:39:53]  That's what this is.
[01:39:54]  This is sad.
[01:39:56]  Yeah.
[01:39:56]  This is...
[01:39:57]  I mean, it is hard to imagine that you're not, like...
[01:40:01]  Just cashing a check if you're Destiny.
[01:40:03]  I imagine I can believe that the Krasensteins are sitting there going like, oh, I can't wait for my turn to talk because I'll change the minds.
[01:40:12]  I'll tell him about Ronald Blump.
[01:40:14]  Those poor dum-dums.
[01:40:15]  But Destiny has to be like, all right, well, here we are.
[01:40:18]  Check.
[01:40:18]  Well, I know from listening to Destiny and watching some of his streams and stuff, he subscribes to a position where you go on to debates, especially, this was his ethos with white nationalists and Nazis that he would debate with, is that 40% of the audience has already decided that they agree with you, 40% already agreed to decide with the Nazi, and then that 20% in the middle is the people that you really care about.
[01:40:48]  Maybe you can sway some of them.
[01:40:50]  Sure.
[01:40:50]  And whether or not that that...
[01:40:51]  I don't believe that's true.
[01:40:53]  I think it's way lower.
[01:40:54]  Yeah, that's childish.
[01:40:55]  But whether that motivates his participation or some kind of like, this will be fun.
[01:41:02]  This will be ridiculous.
[01:41:03]  I'm not sure.
[01:41:03]  Well, that's my question!
[01:41:04]  And it would be hard for me to ascribe necessarily his motivations.
[01:41:10]  But if it is something where the 20%, maybe I can sway some of them.
[01:41:14]  Sure.
[01:41:14]  It's misguided.
[01:41:15]  Right.
[01:41:16]  Well, I think my problem that I'm feeling right now is that it seems like nobody's having fun.
[01:41:22]  Destiny will in a little bit.
[01:41:23]  Okay, because this is bumming me out.
[01:41:25]  It's like, what are you guys doing?
[01:41:26]  Taking this seriously?
[01:41:28]  Destiny starts to troll Alex a little bit.
[01:41:30]  Yes, you're all clowns.
[01:41:31]  What are we doing here?
[01:41:32]  Throw a pie, for fuck's sake.
[01:41:34]  Well, actually, after they play the Biden clip, you can kind of see the first part where Destiny's kind of just like, I'm going to go ahead and take control of, pardon the expression, my own destiny.
[01:41:46]  You can't be pro-insurrectionist and pro-American.
[01:41:50]  You know, Trump and his many supporters not only embrace political violence, but they laugh about it.
[01:41:55]  The insurrection is the open border.
[01:41:57]  So the insurrection was not just the three-hour riot that happened at the White House afterwards.
[01:42:01]  I think that's the least charitable reading of everything that happened.
[01:42:04]  And that's not, if you read any of the charges that either Jack Smith or the Georgia Rico case has alleged against Trump, are saying that, in fact...

=== States Certify Controversy (14:18) ===

[01:42:11]  Not much of the focus is on the story, Ryan.
[01:42:14]  Hold on, Alex.
[01:42:16]  Let Stephen finish his thought first.
[01:42:18]  Not much of those indictments are actually focusing on the three-hour right itself.
[01:42:22]  The unprecedented act that there is no answer for, that Kamala Harris or Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have not engaged in, is using knowingly false election claims for months to try to pressure state electors to change their vote, and then when they wouldn't do that,
[01:42:37]  beg them to elect different electors, and then when they wouldn't do that, create a plot to create fake electors, and then when Pence wouldn't accept that, try to capitalize on that final three-hour No, they didn't.
[01:42:59]  I can explain that if you want.
[01:43:01]  Yeah, please do.
[01:43:01]  We don't!
[01:43:02]  Shut up!
[01:43:06]  So in 1960, JFK and Nixon, there was a dispute because there was a recount.
[01:43:13]  I think JFK ended up winning by 150 votes.
[01:43:16]  At the time, each state decided, or the state decided to certify two sets of electors.
[01:43:23]  They didn't certify them.
[01:43:23]  They decided to choose two different slates of electors.
[01:43:27]  Depending on how it went.
[01:43:29]  But they were certified by the states.
[01:43:32]  They were in the middle of a recount.
[01:43:33]  Well, Trump tried to get a certificate.
[01:43:34]  None was certified yet.
[01:43:36]  What happened with Trump was that Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of...
[01:43:46]  Conspiracy theory crap that election is stolen.
[01:43:51]  Crap!
[01:43:52]  Yeah, so times are tough in these parts, but Destiny just kind of cutting through the bullshit is a breath of the fresh.
[01:43:56]  Yeah, that's nice.
[01:43:57]  Let him talk.
[01:43:57]  Shut up, Crass.
[01:43:59]  Jesus Christ.
[01:44:00]  These people are spinning themselves into knots about the definition of insurrection and the casual versus legal definitions, while all the while, like, they're having two completely different conversations, neither of which really get to the crux of the matter of why January 6th constitutes an insurrection.
[01:44:13]  To Destiny's credit, he very succinctly laid out how the event happened.
[01:44:17]  on that day was part of a much larger picture and that larger picture is what people care about and is the insurrection.
[01:44:23]  And along the way, you can hear Alex trying to lay out his standard talking point rebuttals, but Destiny will clear Yeah.
[01:44:28]  know the truth about those points.
[01:44:30]  A real tragedy is bad jumping in and trying to field this one about Hawaii, whereas Destiny definitely Better and quicker.
[01:44:37]  I hate to say this, but I think that Destiny might do better against Alex, Glenn, and Darren three on one.
[01:44:42]  Oh, by a wide margin, yeah.
[01:44:44]  You get the sense that bad is just kind of going to get in the way.
[01:44:47]  They are not helpful.
[01:44:50]  No, but they're trying.
[01:44:51]  And so...
[01:44:52]  Yeah, I mean, it's like they just...
[01:44:54]  It is 100% a knife to a gunfight with a bed there.
[01:44:58]  I do think so.
[01:44:59]  It's just like, listen, fellas, nothing against you.
[01:45:02]  Nothing against you.
[01:45:03]  You might also get in a few slashes.
[01:45:05]  Sure!
[01:45:06]  It's possible, but you're not going to win that.
[01:45:08]  You're not going to win.
[01:45:09]  You should stay home.
[01:45:10]  But Alex can also destroy his own points, which he does with this JFK thing.
[01:45:14]  That is fair.
[01:45:15]  Trump tried to get the states to certify a second slate of electors based off of conspiracy theory.
[01:45:24]  Crap that the election was stolen.
[01:45:27]  Hold on.
[01:45:28]  They did.
[01:45:29]  He took it to court.
[01:45:30]  62 cases.
[01:45:31]  30 cases were looked at on merit.
[01:45:34]  So are they taking him off the ballot now?
[01:45:36]  That's a separate...
[01:45:38]  Take him off the ballot.
[01:45:40]  The purest form of election theft is taking him off the ballot.
[01:45:44]  Let's get back to the 1960s really fast.
[01:45:47]  Oh, you can clearly see how Alex's point with 1960 and the Hawaii electors is falling apart.
[01:45:53]  And so he tries to pivot into talking about Trump in Colorado.
[01:45:56]  And it's unsuccessful.
[01:45:59]  Yeah.
[01:46:00]  To Ben's credit, you know, it's reeling it back in to the point that they were discussing.
[01:46:05]  And so whichever one of the Krasensteins it is tries to finish up explaining the JFK situation.
[01:46:11]  What happened was that they did a recount.
[01:46:14]  And Kennedy ended up winning by, I think, 150 votes.
[01:46:17]  And they chose the Kennedy electors.
[01:46:20]  They certified the Kennedy electors.
[01:46:22]  And Kennedy ended up winning that state.
[01:46:24]  That's what Trump said.
[01:46:25]  What Trump did was Trump tried to get the states to certify an alternate slate of electors.
[01:46:31]  They refused because the court said there's no there there.
[01:46:37]  And then when that didn't go through...
[01:46:39]  Trump decided to get his own slate of electors above the states that were not certified and tried to use that to force Mike Pence to say that Joe Biden didn't win these electoral votes.
[01:46:51]  I just need to interject really quickly.
[01:46:53]  So if we want to be precise in terms of the scope of the debate, I think it's about January 6th.
[01:46:59]  And so the lead up to it might be relevant to some of the criminal indictments, but it's technical.
[01:47:04]  I'm sorry?
[01:47:09]  Excuse me?
[01:47:12]  Wow.
[01:47:16]  It's so weird how Darren has a problem with this going off the selected topic now.
[01:47:20]  Someone get a wheelbarrow because those balls are fucking huge!
[01:47:26]  You didn't seem to have a problem with Alex and Ian playing a clip from a speech Biden gave last night and Alex rambling about Kamala Harris bailing out hardened criminals.
[01:47:33]  That sure was fine.
[01:47:34]  But now, when you want to discuss the context of what led to the events of January 6th, no, no, no!
[01:47:39]  That is outside the scope of the debate.
[01:47:41]  I do want to hit him.
[01:47:42]  I do feel like I should be able to punch him one time.
[01:47:45]  Maybe a pie.
[01:47:46]  Listen, how dare you?
[01:47:49]  This is outside the scope of the debate because if you include it, it's a lot harder for people on Darren's team to spin their bullshit.
[01:47:54]  Because the context of what happened is not a simple matter of illustrating intent on Trump's part.
[01:47:59]  It also illustrates the persistent and aggressive ways Trump was priming the people at the Capitol to do exactly what they did.
[01:48:06]  It helps make it clear how that could have happened without Antifa provocateurs needed.
[01:48:12]  Bringing this fuller picture into the conversation leaves less I mean, yeah.
[01:48:28]  But I'm interested to see the direction that Destiny takes to try and push back on this.
[01:48:32]  Because a ball could break in a number of directions.
[01:48:36]  I'll tell you, splitting hairs on adverbs, always a bad move.
[01:48:40]  Always a bad move.
[01:48:41]  Yeah.
[01:48:42]  Yeah.
[01:48:44]  You could do a lot of things differently ways.
[01:48:49]  I expected better of myself.
[01:48:51]  That didn't even make sense.
[01:48:53]  You know what the problem is?
[01:48:55]  Are you going to edit that out?
[01:48:56]  No, I'm not.
[01:48:57]  I'll leave it in.
[01:48:57]  I can wear my scars.
[01:49:00]  I've never heard you edit anything out for that reason before, but that I think you might.
[01:49:05]  No, I won't.
[01:49:06]  And I'll explain why I think I tried to make some kind of a pun that I could use to move along or something.
[01:49:12]  It's because I'm keenly aware of how many clips there are, and it's a burden that weighs on me.
[01:49:18]  Oh, jeez.
[01:49:19]  But we're going to survive.
[01:49:21]  We're going to survive.
[01:49:22]  People like long episodes.
[01:49:23]  Sure.
[01:49:23]  So Darren, he explains here that Trump legitimately thought he won.
[01:49:30]  And then shit falls apart.
[01:49:31]  The idea that Trump thought that he lost the election and he was knowingly lying and knowingly engaging.
[01:49:41]  No, he...
[01:49:43]  I guarantee it.
[01:49:45]  Whether you believe it or not, Trump believes that the election was stolen and he was using the legal recourses available to him at the advice of his legal advisors.
[01:49:57]  That is not true.
[01:49:59]  Most of his legal advisors said that this idea was crazy.
[01:50:09]  If you search hard enough, you can find anybody to validate an opinion.
[01:50:15]  But what you've just done is what I opened with, which is saying he thought the election was stolen, therefore he was justified to engage in insurrection.
[01:50:22]  But is it right to take him off the ballot?
[01:50:24]  That's for the Supreme Court to decide.
[01:50:28]  I'm telling you, that's for the Supreme Court to decide.
[01:50:31]  Pretty clear answer.
[01:50:31]  Yep.
[01:50:32]  I guess the best case scenario for Darren Beattie here is that Trump's a delusional moron who got tricked by nefarious legal advisors into trying to overturn an election.
[01:50:40]  Four more years!
[01:50:41]  It doesn't seem good.
[01:50:42]  Four more years!
[01:50:43]  I don't want to psychoanalyze people, but I wouldn't be too surprised if somewhere deep down Trump definitely knew that he lost, but his ego wouldn't allow him to accept that.
[01:50:51]  So he embraced a firm external posture of denial.
[01:50:55]  In practice, that would be indistinguishable from someone actually.
[01:51:00]  see how things are going to go.
[01:51:02]  Alex has accurately assessed that destiny prepared and isn't going to be tricked by his stupid evasions.
[01:51:06]  So there's just going to be a lot of yelling.
[01:51:08]  Yeah.
[01:51:08]  There's going to be interruptions yelling.
[01:51:11]  I believe I believe that this is the one true thing that I will 100% take credit for.
[01:51:18]  I called that.
[01:51:19]  What?
[01:51:19]  The yelling?
[01:51:21]  Oh, yeah.
[01:51:23]  And the thing is, the reason is still the same, and I think we're seeing it right now, is because as long as you're the president, you can't go to jail.
[01:51:32]  And now the question is...
[01:51:34]  Can you if you're not president?
[01:51:36]  If you were president, can you?
[01:51:38]  Can you avoid future jail by becoming the president again?
[01:51:41]  Exactly, yes.
[01:51:42]  It's all about the jail.
[01:51:44]  Well, I mean, these are interesting legal questions.
[01:51:46]  It'll be good to have solid answers, too.
[01:51:49]  So, we had that there.
[01:51:52]  Alex badgering Destiny for an answer.
[01:51:54]  Destiny gives an answer.
[01:51:56]  Not the right answer.
[01:51:57]  We're just going to yell over you.
[01:51:58]  There's some more yelling.
[01:51:59]  Okay.
[01:51:59]  Is it right to take him off the ballot?
[01:52:01]  Since you don't want to make January 6th, is it right?
[01:52:03]  That's for the Supreme Court to decide.
[01:52:04]  That's for the Supreme Court to decide.
[01:52:06]  I'm telling you, that's for the Supreme Court to decide.
[01:52:08]  According to Section 3 of the 14th Amendment...
[01:52:11]  Why does the United States sanction countries that take people off the ballot?
[01:52:15]  What?
[01:52:15]  That's not even remotely relevant here.
[01:52:17]  Oh, okay.
[01:52:18]  All right.
[01:52:19]  So you can't...
[01:52:20]  You know what the United States would usually...
[01:52:21]  Here, we have...
[01:52:22]  If we do want insurrection, you'd know it.
[01:52:25]  It would probably be for things like circumventing the vote, like asking the vice president, for instance, to unilaterally win the election.
[01:52:30]  That would be something that we might sanction another country for.
[01:52:32]  So you can't vote for somebody because they make up a bunch of stuff and he's not found guilty anywhere, but you guys just parrot it over again like two men.
[01:52:39]  If you don't like the Constitution, that's your fault, Alex.
[01:52:42]  If you don't like the Constitution, that's on you.
[01:52:44]  No, I know the Constitution.
[01:52:44]  Really.
[01:52:44]  Then why are you saying that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?
[01:52:47]  Alex, why did you say that Section 3 of Amendment 14 requires a conviction?
[01:52:50]  Can we put the text on stream?
[01:52:52]  I would love to do that, actually.
[01:52:53]  Put the text on.
[01:52:54]  Because you keep saying it.
[01:52:56]  All right, guys.
[01:52:56]  It doesn't say that.
[01:52:57]  I don't care what it's based on.
[01:52:59]  They would have to find you guilty.
[01:53:00]  Oh, boy.
[01:53:01]  That was good.
[01:53:01]  A chilling thing that Alex said there is that if we were doing an insurrection, you'd know it, which seems very cool and very chill.
[01:53:07]  Alex got so fucking lost there that he had to retreat to transphobia with the two men having a baby business.
[01:53:13]  Is that what he was doing?
[01:53:14]  Yeah, that's what he was doing.
[01:53:14]  Jesus Christ.
[01:53:15]  That was desperate times, my man.
[01:53:17]  That is desperate.
[01:53:18]  He doesn't know who he's dealing with here, though.
[01:53:19]  Destiny has debated a ton of really horrible people who say terrible things, and he's seen a lot of distraction tactics firsthand.
[01:53:26]  He knows how to deal with them.
[01:53:27]  If Alex thinks this kind of shit is a gotcha, he's in for a long day of yelling.
[01:53:31]  It's interesting to see here, though, that when Alex is floundering, the reinforcements come around, and there seems to be a little bit more moderation.
[01:53:38]  That's so weird.
[01:53:40]  Ugh.
[01:53:40]  It's so weird!
[01:53:42]  Just...
[01:53:42]  You know what?
[01:53:43]  And also, I'm out on the Constitution now, too.
[01:53:46]  After I find out that all these Boston Tea Partiers, if they had lost the Revolutionary War, would have just whined like Alex.
[01:53:53]  Wait, wait, hold on.
[01:53:54]  Now I'm out on the whole Constitution.
[01:53:55]  You've thrown out the Constitution because...
[01:53:56]  The whole country.
[01:53:57]  I'm out!
[01:53:58]  You've thrown it out because of counterfactual hypothetical that you've decided in your head about what would have happened if they'd lost the Revolution.
[01:54:06]  Yep.
[01:54:07]  Okay.
[01:54:08]  That sound.
[01:54:09]  That sound, my man.
[01:54:10]  Well, it's what would happen to my brain if I was forced to listen to the entire debate.
[01:54:16]  I would be like, you're right.
[01:54:17]  No more Constitution.
[01:54:19]  Country bad!
[01:54:21]  Coked out Thomas Jefferson arguing with a British destiny.
[01:54:25]  I would watch that.
[01:54:28]  So anyway, this shit goes on.
[01:54:31]  Let's hear from Glenn.
[01:54:32]  We'll slow down.
[01:54:33]  This is a great conversation.
[01:54:35]  Glenn's about to drop some knowledge.
[01:54:36]  I'm dominating.
[01:54:39]  Glenn's in remote from Brazil.
[01:54:42]  So, Glenn, anytime you have something to say, it's helpful for me if I see a visual cue.
[01:54:44]  Maybe your hand goes up.
[01:54:45]  I can tell you have something you're going to say now, but let us know.
[01:54:48]  Let me just say, what happens is when you gather together to debate a particular question, you're supposed to debate that particular question, the particular question that we were presented with.
[01:55:00]  We're going to debate January 6th and whether it was an insurrection.
[01:55:03]  Now, I don't blame Destiny and Ed for not wanting to debate that, for wanting to debate a whole set of other issues.
[01:55:09]  What the fuck?
[01:55:10]  If Glenn is so upset that Destiny thinks the question of whether January 6th is an insurrection involves the events that led up to it and caused it, why the fuck is he showing the same ire towards Alex for complaining about Joe Biden's recent speech and playing a clip from it, or his incessant shit about Colorado taking Trump off the ballot?
[01:55:26]  Seems like only one side is capable of being off-topic, and that's because Glenn's a goddamn dipshit.
[01:55:31]  That was...
[01:55:32]  Ridiculous.
[01:55:33]  I am...
[01:55:34]  Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen.
[01:55:36]  You know, I'm truly fascinated by...
[01:55:40]  People who can physically sit in the same room as people who are lying to them and gaslighting them for a length of time.
[01:55:47]  I can be in the room with somebody who lied to me, but if you are continuing to lie to me, I have to go.
[01:55:54]  I'm physically...
[01:55:55]  Nothing good is coming from this.
[01:55:56]  I get so angry.
[01:55:57]  I have to go.
[01:55:58]  And so to have somebody like Glenn Greenwald say that...
[01:56:03]  Like, oh my god.
[01:56:04]  Well, he's not in the same room.
[01:56:05]  He's remote.
[01:56:06]  He's in Brazil.
[01:56:06]  Exactly.
[01:56:06]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:56:07]  Like, oh, I'll break the screen.
[01:56:09]  I will destroy that screen, sir.

=== Gore Conceded (15:46) ===

[01:56:11]  How fucking dare you?
[01:56:13]  Yeah, it's a little much.
[01:56:14]  It's a little much.
[01:56:15]  And, at the end of the day, if this is a sincere complaint...
[01:56:19]  It's about the moderation.
[01:56:20]  Yeah.
[01:56:21]  This should be a complaint directed right at Ian.
[01:56:24]  That is it.
[01:56:25]  That is the most weaselly, like, oh, I can see my opponents don't even want to talk about the issue.
[01:56:31]  Fuck you.
[01:56:32]  I will hit you.
[01:56:33]  Yeah.
[01:56:34]  He is a condescending prick throughout.
[01:56:36]  Oh, my God.
[01:56:37]  But on the issue of whether there was a real belief on the part of Donald Trump that elections were stolen, I don't understand how anybody could doubt that, aside from the fact that you have to get into Trump's head.
[01:56:47]  In the last three elections that Democrats lost, in 2000, 2004, and 2016, a very large number of Democrats believed and asserted that the election was stolen.
[01:56:58]  It was only stolen two out of those three times.
[01:57:01]  The idea that George Bush was the real loser of the election, Al Gore won, was the view of every single liberal and Democrat that I knew.
[01:57:11]  In 2004, there were objections claiming that Karl Rove had...
[01:57:15]  Interfered in the Ohio vote with the Diebold machines and cheated to make John Kerry lose and George Bush win.
[01:57:22]  And in 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats said that Donald Trump was the illegitimate winner, that Russia had helped him, and they tried to convince the Electoral College to abandon the certified results of the state.
[01:57:34]  Obviously, you go back to 1960.
[01:57:37]  And a lot of historians believe that election was stolen.
[01:57:40]  So it's not like Donald Trump was the first person to ever wonder or believe that an election was stolen from him.
[01:57:45]  It's a very significant tradition in American political history, if you know anything about politics before 2016.
[01:57:50]  And if Trump believed that the election was stolen, and while it's true, a lot of people in the Justice Department and a lot of people in the White House told them they didn't think it was.
[01:57:58]  He did have advisers and lawyers telling him that they think there was evidence of it.
[01:58:04]  Then the question is over, even on these We have other issues about whether or not Trump engaged in some conspiracy against the United States.
[01:58:11]  But the issue is, is January 6th an insurrection?
[01:58:14]  Well, that's right.
[01:58:14]  But I bet Glenn, since they...
[01:58:16]  Well, hold on.
[01:58:16]  Let's respond to Glenn.
[01:58:17]  Alex, argue with Glenn, please.
[01:58:19]  Yeah.
[01:58:21]  Oh, man.
[01:58:21]  Those examples that Glenn brought up sure are interesting.
[01:58:24]  Can you think of anything that makes all of them different than the 2020 election?
[01:58:28]  Something like really glaring?
[01:58:29]  Like how all of those Democratic candidates explored legal avenues and then promptly conceded to their opponents?
[01:58:35]  The 2020, or I'm sorry, the 2000 election was stolen, just by the Supreme Court, not by a particular candidate necessarily.
[01:58:42]  Literally stolen.
[01:58:43]  I remember 2004, and I swung in some fairly left-wing groups who hated Bush, and I don't think the Kerry was a victim of election theft thing was a hot talking point.
[01:58:52]  There was some talk about the Diebold voting machines, but that was because prior to the 2004 election, their entire software system, like all of it, was leaked.
[01:59:00]  Because all of it was leaked, people were able to pore over everything and identify all kinds of potential vulnerabilities, which were definitely there, but there wasn't evidence that the vulnerabilities were actually exploited.
[01:59:10]  The reason that Ohio was of particular interest was because Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell sent a letter promoting a Bush fundraiser that included him saying, quote, I'm committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year, which naturally raised some eyebrows.
[01:59:25]  It does not sound good when you're the election voting machine guy.
[01:59:29]  Right.
[01:59:29]  Yeah, that's trouble.
[01:59:30]  This shit is apples and oranges compared to 2020, and Glenn fucking knows that.
[01:59:34]  Justifying that Trump could possibly rationally think the election was stolen in the immediate aftermath of the election doesn't do anything to justify the actions taken in service of propping up that falsehood, which are actions that all of the previous people, Hillary, Kerry, and Gore, didn't do.
[01:59:49]  Yeah.
[01:59:50]  And they're things that led up to and caused the inflection point of the insurrection, which is January 6th.
[01:59:55]  Yeah.
[01:59:55]  You can sure tell at the end there that Alex is trying to direct traffic, and it's in the direction away from letting Destiny talk.
[02:00:01]  Everyone on Alex's side is committed to the bit, and Alex knows he can steamroll the Krasenstein, so he's trying to get to...
[02:00:08]  You guys are...
[02:00:09]  Let's get some talk here.
[02:00:10]  Man, it's just no fun.
[02:00:13]  It's just no fun.
[02:00:15]  I want to be the guy who threw the tea off the fucking thing, you know?
[02:00:19]  And then whenever people, oh, stole an election.
[02:00:23]  Yeah, you know why they conceded?
[02:00:26]  Because they're losers.
[02:00:27]  That's why Gore quit.
[02:00:28]  Oh, did they steal the election?
[02:00:29]  No, Gore quit because he's a loser.
[02:00:32]  He sucks.
[02:00:33]  And he's a loser who quit.
[02:00:35]  Not like Trump.
[02:00:36]  Not like Trump.
[02:00:37]  He fought for it.
[02:00:38]  See, that's the argument.
[02:00:40]  Not like, no, everything...
[02:00:42]  Quit whining.
[02:00:44]  You tried to take over a country.
[02:00:46]  That's weak.
[02:00:47]  Yeah.
[02:00:48]  I'm not sure I would say that Glenn is someone who I would put in the camp of trying to take over the country.
[02:00:53]  Yeah, that's fair.
[02:00:54]  But he's rationalizing it for sure.
[02:00:56]  He's running cover.
[02:00:57]  Yeah.
[02:00:58]  But...
[02:00:58]  I mean, man, he is a real condescender.
[02:01:02]  So anyway, Bed tries to explain the differences between all those examples that Glenn gave and Alex is not into it.
[02:01:09]  Here we go.
[02:01:10]  Can I talk about the differences?
[02:01:11]  So Bush versus Gore, what happens?
[02:01:14]  The Supreme Court ruled and Gore conceded.
[02:01:17]  He stopped saying this election was stolen.
[02:01:20]  He stopped saying I won.
[02:01:21]  That was the Supreme Court.
[02:01:22]  Yes.
[02:01:22]  Did Gore refuse to certify the vote?
[02:01:24]  I don't remember.
[02:01:24]  Did he do that?
[02:01:25]  The vote was certified.
[02:01:26]  Oh, he didn't have an alternative slate of electors?
[02:01:28]  Exactly.
[02:01:29]  Trump wanted a Supreme Court hearing.
[02:01:31]  Trump wanted the same thing.
[02:01:33]  That sarcasm killed.
[02:01:34]  62 cases were brought before judges.
[02:01:36]  And you said earlier none of them are based on evidence.
[02:01:40]  Six of them were based on standing.
[02:01:42]  Six.
[02:01:43]  They wouldn't even hear it.
[02:01:44]  I saw it.
[02:01:44]  Do you know how many of them were Trump-appointed judges that made those rulings?
[02:01:48]  17. So six of them...
[02:01:51]  Let me finish here.
[02:01:53]  Six of them were based on standing.
[02:01:56]  Four of those that were based on standing, the judge also analyzed the merits and said there was no evidence or insufficient evidence.
[02:02:04]  So only two of them, and that was Texas versus Pennsylvania and Gohmert versus Pence.
[02:02:10]  Do you know what those two cases were?
[02:02:12]  I know what the cases are.
[02:02:14]  No, I agree with you.
[02:02:15]  Biden says inflation's fine right now.
[02:02:16]  I agree with him.
[02:02:17]  Let me finish.
[02:02:18]  Holy shit.
[02:02:18]  That bit at the end there, that's just pure distilled pathetic.
[02:02:21]  Bed has actually looked into these cases and prepared, whereas Alex has just skimmed memes and yells a lot, so he's in a much better position to discuss the details, which is threatening to Alex.
[02:02:31]  He has no idea which cases Bed is talking about, because to him, they're all one big ball of an attack on Trump.
[02:02:37]  He knows nothing, so when Bed tries to explain to him this in very simple terms, Alex has to deflect by throwing out something about Biden and inflation.
[02:02:44]  He's just a child.
[02:02:45]  Like, this is how kids argue.
[02:02:46]  And to be fair, he's crushing it in kids' rules arguing.
[02:02:50]  That's why he said he was dominating earlier, because he thinks these deflections are working.
[02:02:53]  They're not, but it honestly doesn't matter.
[02:02:56]  Anyone watching this has their mind made up, so Alex is playing to him.
[02:02:59]  his audience.
[02:03:00]  They'll hear him desperately try to avoid talking about details about the cases that Trump has lost by bringing up Biden and inflation and think it's a savage dunk.
[02:03:07]  In many ways, I think that clip truly encapsulates the futility of interacting with Alex and having debates like this to begin with.
[02:03:14]  You know, you just got, like...
[02:03:15]  Real information.
[02:03:17]  Alex saying that none of these cases were heard.
[02:03:19]  Explaining that only two of them were thrown out simply because of the procedural stuff.
[02:03:25]  And Alex just saying, I believe in Biden and inflation.
[02:03:28]  He says it's good.
[02:03:30]  It's like, what's the point?
[02:03:31]  You're not going to get anywhere.
[02:03:32]  Oh, yeah, no.
[02:03:33]  And I think, I mean, literally, the casting is already an issue.
[02:03:37]  Like, if I'm Alex listening to this, I think the audience that's come to this show...
[02:03:45]  They're going to listen to that, and they're not going to get the substance.
[02:03:49]  They're going to go, boring.
[02:03:51]  Talking too long.
[02:03:53]  You know, like, it might as well just be like, hey, Alex, here's your second tactic.
[02:03:57]  Let them talk a lot, and your people will just get so bored.
[02:04:01]  Right.
[02:04:02]  I mean, and I think Alex, as much as that's a distraction, too, I think Alex is just like...
[02:04:06]  He might be bored.
[02:04:07]  You can't still be talking.
[02:04:08]  You can't still be talking.
[02:04:09]  I mean, you're so boring.
[02:04:10]  You're so fucking boring.
[02:04:11]  It's possible.
[02:04:12]  And, you know, Destiny...
[02:04:14]  For better or worse, is not in that same...
[02:04:17]  He understands because of his experience in doing these debates and stuff like that.
[02:04:22]  Yep.
[02:04:23]  He knows...
[02:04:24]  And that's why I kind of resent that he's not just jumping in.
[02:04:28]  It should be, yeah.
[02:04:29]  He should just be completely fucking around.
[02:04:32]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:04:32]  Because he can, and he's not, which does make this drag a little bit.
[02:04:38]  Yeah.
[02:04:38]  But there is some chaos coming.
[02:04:40]  Okay.
[02:04:41]  And it...
[02:04:42]  Maybe starts a little bit here with Bed trying to explain the cases that were thrown out from standing to Alex.
[02:04:50]  And like you're saying, I mean, there's a part of it that is just, I'm bored by details.
[02:04:54]  It's going to get boring, yeah.
[02:04:55]  Let me finish.
[02:04:55]  Texas tried suing Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, several other states, saying that the election was stolen.
[02:05:02]  And the judge said, no, Texas can't sue these other states.
[02:05:06]  Somebody in that state who was affected had to sue them.
[02:05:10]  Now, the other case was Gohmert versus Pence.
[02:05:13]  He challenged the Electoral Counts Act of 1807, saying that Pence could overturn the election.
[02:05:20]  He said that Pence could throw out electors.
[02:05:22]  I agree with you.
[02:05:23]  I think that was a wrong legal theory.
[02:05:24]  No, no, I agree with you on that.
[02:05:26]  What I'm saying is that if Biden's going to win so big, why can't Trump be on the ballot?
[02:05:32]  That's not up for Biden to decide.
[02:05:33]  That's up for the Supreme Court to decide.
[02:05:34]  Oh, no, Biden said he wants him off the ballot.
[02:05:36]  It doesn't matter what Biden says.
[02:05:37]  Oh, I get it.
[02:05:39]  Trump lost.
[02:05:40]  That's why he can't have his race car on the track.
[02:05:43]  Yeah, this horse is going to lose so it can't be in the race.
[02:05:47]  Bull crap.
[02:05:48]  Who do you think has the authority, then, to determine the interpretation of Amendment 14?
[02:05:52]  Man, I know the State Department runs...
[02:05:53]  Why can't you answer a single question?
[02:05:54]  Why not just answer one question?
[02:05:55]  Why do you think, man?
[02:05:57]  It's a simple question.
[02:05:57]  Who is the authority ultimately to decide it?
[02:05:59]  The president has not...
[02:06:00]  Even on CNN, the legal analysts say that you have to be convicted.
[02:06:11]  So, Destiny, you can sit there and have blue hair and be trimmed.
[02:06:15]  And make all these, like, the moon is made of cheese.
[02:06:18]  I'm Destiny.
[02:06:19]  Every American knows you don't lose your rights when you're not convicted.
[02:06:25]  He's not been convicted.
[02:06:26]  And here's the good news.
[02:06:28]  It's backfiring.
[02:06:30]  We have the Declaration of Independence, and we can vote for who we want to.
[02:06:34]  No, you can't.
[02:06:35]  You can't vote for people under 35. You can't vote for non-citizens.
[02:06:38]  Can you?
[02:06:38]  Can you?
[02:06:39]  Nobody stole the election, but you can't vote for anyone.
[02:06:42]  All right.
[02:06:44]  Physical talent!
[02:06:45]  You can't vote for who you want.
[02:06:46]  Nobody stole the election, but you can't vote for who you want.
[02:06:49]  We just beat this into the ground.
[02:06:51]  Alex, I need you.
[02:06:52]  We just crushed this one into the ground, but I want to ask the question in a slightly different way.
[02:06:55]  Was this an attempted coup?
[02:06:57]  Jesus, what?
[02:06:58]  I'm sorry, did we just go back to square one?
[02:07:00]  Holy shit.
[02:07:00]  Did we just go back to square one, Dan?
[02:07:02]  With a synonym.
[02:07:03]  How fucking dare you?
[02:07:04]  It's admirable on some level that Ben is trying to explain to Alex that only two of Trump's legal cases were rejected on standing alone, and the rest were due to lack of merit.
[02:07:12]  Right.
[02:07:12]  Alex always says that none of Trump's cases were even heard at all, and all thrown out on standing, so it's valuable to push back on that, but you can see here what that...
[02:07:20]  Does.
[02:07:20]  No good.
[02:07:21]  Do you think anyone watching this that previously was inclined to agree with Alex heard that explanation and thought, huh, maybe Alex isn't right about those cases.
[02:07:28]  I think it's unlikely.
[02:07:29]  That was a fun yelling match that broke out, though.
[02:07:31]  It seems like they turned down Destiny's mic, which makes sense.
[02:07:35]  This is taking place at Alex's studio, presumably with his crew, and Zero Hedge is paying for it, so he's got a bit of home court advantage.
[02:07:41]  The moderator has clips for Alex to play.
[02:07:43]  Yes.
[02:07:44]  If they aren't going to do anything meaningful and the moderator is just going to be this shitty, then this is what I want.
[02:07:49]  I want Destiny and Alex going back and forth because Destiny can handle Alex's attempts at deflection and has way better ability to focus than Alex.
[02:07:57]  I hypothesize that if left to their own devices in front of a camera...
[02:08:00]  They would just keep talking at each other like this, and Alex would then punch Destiny and call him a slur.
[02:08:05]  Do you think so?
[02:08:06]  Yeah.
[02:08:06]  I think they may be trapped in this for all eternity, and we'll put them underneath a snow globe, and then we can all just kind of jump in.
[02:08:15]  They'll power the universe.
[02:08:17]  It's Schrodinger's punch.
[02:08:18]  I think Alex would get physical eventually, because Destiny would just keep...
[02:08:24]  In this next clip you're going to hear, he does kind of start trolling Alex, because he realizes this is going nowhere.
[02:08:30]  Yeah.
[02:08:30]  And so he does fuck with him a little bit.
[02:08:32]  And left with enough time, I think they'll get under Alex's skin.
[02:08:35]  I mean, I think the irony of it is, to me, like, it should already be physical, if that makes sense.
[02:08:42]  Because there's no point in talking to Alex, you know?
[02:08:44]  No, I agree with you somewhat.
[02:08:46]  I mean, not that they should be fighting, but it doesn't make sense that they're not.
[02:08:48]  It doesn't make sense that you're talking.
[02:08:50]  This is stupid.
[02:08:51]  And considering how yacked out Alex is.
[02:08:54]  Yeah!
[02:08:54]  What are we doing?
[02:08:55]  It's ridiculous.
[02:08:56]  This can only be handled one way.
[02:08:57]  So anyway, here comes the trolling.
[02:08:59]  Okay.
[02:08:59]  Do you guys think this was an attempted coup?
[02:09:01]  Of course it was.
[02:09:02]  The Hunter Biden laptop, the weaponization hearings, the censorship, there's no Russian connection, that's all.
[02:09:10]  mRNA vaccines!
[02:09:12]  I want you to take all the shots.
[02:09:15]  How many shots have you had?
[02:09:16]  None yet.
[02:09:16]  Do you want to take some?
[02:09:17]  No, I hope you take them all.
[02:09:18]  I just want you to answer one question about any of us.
[02:09:20]  I want to see you take them all and enjoy yourself.
[02:09:22]  We've talked about the Democrats more than the Republicans on the January 6th debate.
[02:09:26]  Isn't that wild?
[02:09:27]  Isn't that crazy?
[02:09:28]  Admit that the shot erases your immune system and doesn't protect you.
[02:09:32]  There we go.
[02:09:33]  Ah, there we are.
[02:09:35]  Come on, COVID.
[02:09:37]  Yeah, yeah, let's stay back.
[02:09:39]  All right, guys, back to topic.
[02:09:41]  So, is it a coup?
[02:09:45]  That's the question.
[02:09:46]  I think it can be debated that it was a coup.
[02:09:52]  Definitely, I would say it's an attempted coup.
[02:09:54]  Okay, so your answer is basically the same to the first question of, is it an interaction?
[02:09:59]  It's subjective.
[02:10:00]  You could be argued.
[02:10:01]  Holy shit.
[02:10:02]  Thanks, Grandma.
[02:10:03]  Yeah, but that was a little fun.
[02:10:04]  I mean, that's what sucks about this, is that it's kind of so stupid and meaningless that those points are actually fun.
[02:10:14]  They get exciting because something's happening.
[02:10:17]  These two are yelling at each other.
[02:10:19]  It's like...
[02:10:21]  When they booked it, they tried to serve all the masters.
[02:10:25]  They tried to make it so Destiny and Alex would fight, and that's what everybody would enjoy.
[02:10:30]  Right.
[02:10:30]  But then they also wanted to have Glenn Greenwald and the Krasenstein brothers say smart stuff.
[02:10:36]  Glenn gives some sort of veneer of credibility because of his status.
[02:10:40]  Again, Beatty has a hole in the universe where Beatty is supposed to be.
[02:10:43]  And I think the Krasensteins, they have huge Twitter followings and stuff, so there is an attention-based reason that you would have them on.
[02:10:50]  Right, but I mean, they and Greenwald seem like that's where they're supposed to be.
[02:10:54]  They're boring and serving a purpose.
[02:10:57]  Destiny and Alex are supposed to fight.
[02:10:58]  I don't know if you've seen the best of the best.
[02:11:00]  I have.
[02:11:00]  All right.
[02:11:01]  It's been a while, but yeah, I have.
[02:11:02]  Man, what a great, terrible movie.
[02:11:04]  Yeah.
[02:11:05]  And it's lined up like that.
[02:11:07]  You know, one-on-one, kind of whoever wins at the Battle Royale.
[02:11:11]  That sounds right.
[02:11:12]  Bloodsport.
[02:11:13]  Bloodsport.
[02:11:13]  Kumite.
[02:11:17]  Come on!
[02:11:18]  Yes, please!
[02:11:20]  So Alex just keeps interrupting.
[02:11:22]  And then, mic down for this, because the craziest thing comes out of his mouth.
[02:11:26]  Okay.
[02:11:27]  Definitely, I would say it's an attempted coup.
[02:11:30]  The coup is flooding the border with little aliens.
[02:11:33]  District Judge, U.S. District Judge David Carter actually evaluated the Trump-Eastman scheme.
[02:11:40]  And he said...

=== Federal Judge Declares Coup (05:51) ===

[02:11:41]  We got some big news.
[02:11:42]  I'm not interrupting you.
[02:11:43]  No, no, no.
[02:11:44]  Not that yet.
[02:11:45]  But we had Glenn.
[02:11:46]  Glenn's going to speak after you were...
[02:11:48]  I'm sorry.
[02:11:48]  I'll shut up now.
[02:11:50]  So the federal judge, U.S. District Judge David Carter evaluated the Trump Eastman scheme.
[02:11:54]  Another lawyer.
[02:11:55]  We can go into later.
[02:11:56]  But basically he said that it was, quote, a coup in search of a legal theory.
[02:12:02]  This is a federal judge.
[02:12:05]  We have a CIA coup over America.
[02:12:08]  Hey, does CIA kill Kennedy?
[02:12:10]  Judges aren't part of the CIA, are they?
[02:12:12]  I don't think so.
[02:12:15]  Okay, you gotta go home now.
[02:12:18]  The moment Alex says something and you respond with, judges aren't part of the CIA, you gotta go home.
[02:12:25]  You're not meant for this place.
[02:12:26]  You gotta get out of here.
[02:12:27]  You're too prone to being tricked by the curveball.
[02:12:31]  Yeah, you're not supposed to.
[02:12:31]  This isn't for you.
[02:12:33]  Yeah, you're gonna strike out looking.
[02:12:35]  So, yeah, Alex has breaking news.
[02:12:37]  Judges aren't part of the CIA.
[02:12:39]  You got pushed there.
[02:12:41]  Yeah.
[02:12:42]  That's you.
[02:12:42]  That's on you, man.
[02:12:43]  It is.
[02:12:44]  It is.
[02:12:44]  Honestly, what the fuck is happening, though?
[02:12:46]  What is happening?
[02:12:47]  Why does Alex have a bit prepared?
[02:12:49]  Even the completely useless moderator is begging Alex to just shut the fuck up.
[02:12:53]  Alex is just a coked-out idiot who can't control himself and let anyone else talk, and how could anyone sincerely think this would go any other way?
[02:13:00]  Sweet summer dipshits, thinking they were going to have a debate when you invite Alex Jones.
[02:13:04]  Unreal.
[02:13:04]  Breaking news.
[02:13:05]  I'm so mad at people for not listening to our show before doing a debate with Alex Jones.
[02:13:11]  And then they could just be like, oh, we cancel.
[02:13:13]  It's an open question whether or not I would have helped Destiny if I were reached out to, but I will say that I was not.
[02:13:21]  In case anyone was curious about that.
[02:13:24]  It didn't even even occur to me that they might reach out to you.
[02:13:26]  The person it would make sense to reach out to.
[02:13:29]  Yeah.
[02:13:29]  Oh well.
[02:13:30]  What are you going to do?
[02:13:31]  So Glenn has an interesting rejoinder question that he thinks probably is a gotcha.
[02:13:36]  Sure.
[02:13:37]  He's a great debater.
[02:13:38]  He is.
[02:13:39]  The question that you asked Ian is, is this a coup?
[02:13:42]  If you look at how other coups are perpetrated, and I think a lot of this is that if you're an American and you have this very soft history, you don't know what a coup is, you think that what CNN tells you a coup is a coup, usually the way coups work.
[02:13:54]  Is the leader of the country, whoever is in charge of the military, orders the military to seize control of the levers of power.
[02:14:01]  Trump was the commander-in-chief on January 6th.
[02:14:03]  The military was duty-bound to obey his orders.
[02:14:06]  They had a right to disobey if they were illegal, but...
[02:14:09]  If this were a coup, why didn't Trump order the military to seize control of power and turn over the election process to him?
[02:14:17]  Why didn't he order the armed factions that formed the law enforcement part of the military and the executive branch that serve under his command to do that as well?
[02:14:25]  That's what happened to the coup.
[02:14:26]  That didn't happen here because Trump wasn't trying to perpetrate a coup.
[02:14:30]  He wanted the Department of Defense to seize voting machines, and the DOJ turned him down and told him.
[02:14:36]  The worst thing he did was try to take Biden off the ballot.
[02:14:39]  Remember when Trump said Biden cannot run and have the Justice Department take Biden off the ballot?
[02:14:44]  Oh, God, that was Biden.
[02:14:45]  Sorry.
[02:14:47]  I'm sorry.
[02:14:48]  Sarcasm is undefeated so far.
[02:14:50]  So Biden doesn't have the authority to do that.
[02:14:52]  He still doesn't have the authority to do that.
[02:14:54]  The Supreme Court that Trump has his picks on, that's currently 6-3 conservative, they're the ones who are going to make the final decision on that.
[02:15:00]  So that whole thing, the entire setup that Glenn used to invalidate the idea that this was an attempted coup was shattered in an instant by a Krasenstein.
[02:15:07]  Yeah.
[02:15:07]  That's very sad.
[02:15:08]  That's dark.
[02:15:08]  Why didn't Trump use the military?
[02:15:10]  Oh, he tried to get the DOD to seize voting machines.
[02:15:12]  Just a dipshit stepping on a rake.
[02:15:14]  As for why Trump didn't tell the military to take over with him on the 6th, it's probably because he was a coward and he realized he'd probably be killed.
[02:15:21]  Or maybe he thought that the violence that he refused to repeated requests to call for an end to would be enough to push for the administrative coup.
[02:15:29]  of actual military takeover stuff wasn't necessary.
[02:15:33]  Maybe because Trump was sequestered in a safe room and the people around him wouldn't have let that fly.
[02:15:37]  I mean, who knows?
[02:15:38]  There's plenty of reasons that aren't because it wasn't a coup.
[02:15:41]  But here, you can tell that Alex has essentially given up on engaging with anything anyone says.
[02:15:46]  Not at all.
[02:15:46]  He's just fully committed to interrupting any time someone says something that goes against his narratives.
[02:15:50]  Yep.
[02:15:51]  When Ben has a quick answer to Glenn's dumb question, Alex slides right in to interrupt and deflect with nonsense about Biden taking Trump off the ballot.
[02:15:59]  He's a total idiot, but there is a strategic idiocy in where and how he's interrupting and deflecting.
[02:16:04]  Sure, sure.
[02:16:05]  I mean, there's a strategic idiocy with when that guy moves his puppet's mouths, you know, to make him say the mean things.
[02:16:15]  And you're like, oh, that puppet's so mean!
[02:16:17]  It's not actually the puppet!
[02:16:19]  No, it's the puppet.
[02:16:20]  Me puppet.
[02:16:21]  You puppet.
[02:16:21]  Remember that?
[02:16:22]  I do remember that.
[02:16:23]  So anyway, Destiny has a complaint about the debate.
[02:16:26]  What?
[02:16:27]  What could that be?
[02:16:28]  I wanted to be known that every single time you try to talk about any of the stuff related to Trump, it's so many Democrat names that comes out of people's mouths.
[02:16:34]  I don't know why people can't just engage on the facts of what happened on and in the events leading up to...
[02:16:38]  Hey, hey, hey.
[02:16:40]  Ding dong.
[02:16:41]  Ding dong.
[02:16:43]  Ah, no name calling.
[02:16:44]  No, his name's ding dong.
[02:16:45]  Ding dong, Destiny, whatever it is.
[02:16:47]  The point is, I was there.
[02:16:49]  I was there.
[02:16:49]  No name-calling.
[02:16:52]  What a...
[02:16:53]  This is so childish.
[02:16:55]  It is unreal.
[02:16:57]  It is a good rule for a debate, maybe, to have a no name-calling rule.
[02:17:00]  It shouldn't be a rule you need to have!
[02:17:02]  And it's probably, you've booked wrong if you need to evoke it.
[02:17:05]  If you need to have a rule, you've already chosen wrong.
[02:17:07]  And if you evoke it, and then the person immediately calls the guy ding-dong again, you kind of are like, well, I'm impotent to stop any of this.
[02:17:16]  With no consequences whatsoever.

=== Thankfully Capitol Police (15:54) ===

[02:17:18]  There are no rules.
[02:17:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:17:20]  Kumite.
[02:17:23]  Okay, who's who in the Kumite?
[02:17:26]  I'm sorry, now I'm in my head bloodsport going through.
[02:17:29]  Darren Beattie, Van Damme.
[02:17:31]  Darren Beattie is not Van Damme, sir.
[02:17:33]  I've forgotten the character's names.
[02:17:36]  The drunk guy is Alex.
[02:17:38]  The drunk guy is for sure Alex.
[02:17:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:17:40]  I mean, he really could just be Alex.
[02:17:43]  Yeah.
[02:17:44]  So, Destiny tries to explain here why January 6th was a unique event, and it was uniquely bad.
[02:17:50]  And Alex is, I mean, his whole thing comes down to just kind of like, I was there.
[02:17:55]  Listen to me, I was there.
[02:17:57]  I was there, LCD sound system.
[02:17:58]  It's unprecedented that a president of the United States would do everything within his power to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the next president.
[02:18:05]  He said, I want you to peacefully march down to the Capitol.
[02:18:08]  That is a uniquely horrible event.
[02:18:09]  The march to the Capitol, what was bad was him watching the riot happen for three hours.
[02:18:13]  No, no.
[02:18:16]  The riot was happening.
[02:18:17]  He spoke for an hour and a half.
[02:18:19]  It started then.
[02:18:20]  Then he got back to the White House, watched it like 30-40 minutes, and then shot a video.
[02:18:24]  No, you're lying.
[02:18:25]  He got back to the White House.
[02:18:26]  He got Mark Meadows delivered a note on his desk that Ashley Babbitt had been shot and he sat there sipping Diet Coke for an hour and a half.
[02:18:34]  The guy that you called your leader, how many pardons did Trump do for the patriots that got unfairly charged with crimes convicted in the Capitol?
[02:18:43]  I was there.
[02:18:44]  Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?
[02:18:46]  Why didn't Donald Trump pardon any of those people?
[02:18:48]  There's not going to be an answer to this.
[02:18:51]  Because it's not you're scared to answer any questions.
[02:18:53]  They claimed their timelines.
[02:18:55]  Trump betrayed every single patriot that went down there.
[02:18:57]  He spoke for almost an hour and a half.
[02:18:59]  Just keep it one at a time.
[02:19:00]  It's easier.
[02:19:01]  When he first started speaking, so you had an hour and a half on and didn't exist.
[02:19:05]  Keep it one at a time means let Alex speak because he's too coked up to stop talking.
[02:19:09]  Yeah, we can stop you from talking, but we can't stop him.
[02:19:12]  So it turns out you're the one who's got to shut up.
[02:19:15]  So just to clarify the timeline, because Alex is 100% wrong, here are the basic beats.
[02:19:19]  People broke through the police barricades at around 1 p.m.
[02:19:22]  Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse at 1.10 p.m. and wanted to go to the Capitol, where people were already fighting with the police, but his security didn't allow it.
[02:19:29]  At 1.19, Trump arrived back to the White House.
[02:19:32]  Trump stayed in a private room in the White House from 1.25 to 4 p.m. watching Fox News.
[02:19:38]  Right around 2 p.m., rioters began entering the Capitol.
[02:19:41]  It's probably around this time that Harrison Smith is on air, on Infowars, celebrating the fall of the Capitol, announcing the Patriots had taken it back.
[02:19:49]  By two, people like Pat Sipel...
[02:19:51]  Polony have tried to get Trump to intervene to stop what was happening, but Mark Meadows said that Trump didn't want to.
[02:19:57]  At 2.24, Trump tweets, quote, Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution.
[02:20:04]  At the time, he was fully aware that his supporters had stormed the Capitol.
[02:20:08]  He was egging them on.
[02:20:09]  Even Marjorie Taylor Greene contacts Mark Meadows to tell him to get Trump to, quote, calm people, which maybe is part of why Trump ends up tweeting, quote, please support our Capitol police and law enforcement.
[02:20:19]  They're truly on the side of our country.
[02:20:21]  Stay peaceful at 228.
[02:20:23]  This is tea party shit, man.
[02:20:26]  Fucking throw the tea or go home.
[02:20:28]  Honestly, that is a ridiculous tweet for Trump to have said, given the circumstances.
[02:20:31]  Pathetic on all fronts, yeah.
[02:20:32]  Ashley Babbitt is shot at 240.
[02:20:34]  At 2.53, Donald Jr. tries to get Meadows to convince Trump to condemn this shit ASAP.
[02:20:40]  Meadows replies, quote, I'm pushing it hard.
[02:20:43]  People keep telling him to tell the mob to disperse, but Trump refuses to.
[02:20:47]  It isn't until 4.17 p.m. that Trump releases his video where he says, quote, I know your pain.
[02:20:53]  I know you're hurt.
[02:20:54]  We love you.
[02:20:54]  You're very special.
[02:20:55]  You've seen what happens.
[02:20:56]  You've seen the way the others are treated.
[02:20:58]  I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace.
[02:21:01]  So when Destiny says that he didn't do it, Alex is just lying.
[02:21:14]  He was there, though.
[02:21:15]  He wasn't in the room, though.
[02:21:17]  It hadn't really sunk in until just now quite how much everybody around Trump was at fault for not successfully taking over the country.
[02:21:29]  They could have done it.
[02:21:31]  They totally could have done it.
[02:21:32]  But all the people around Trump wanted him to stop.
[02:21:35]  That's weak.
[02:21:38]  I'm glad that we don't live in the Trump-tocracy.
[02:21:42]  That's good.
[02:21:43]  It's weak going by their own sort of measure.
[02:21:47]  It is like you...
[02:21:49]  It's actually kind of really hard for me to believe that they spent so long just...
[02:21:56]  Licking the asshole of Trump for them to suddenly have the opportunity.
[02:22:01]  You could have done it.
[02:22:02]  They could have had the whole United States to themselves.
[02:22:06]  All they had to do was just be like, yeah, let's fucking do it.
[02:22:08]  Let's just pull the trigger on it.
[02:22:10]  Well, it's that dilemma of if the person next to me isn't on board, I'm going to die.
[02:22:16]  Sure.
[02:22:17]  And I think that maybe limits a lot of people's recklessness.
[02:22:21]  I mean, I totally get it, but it is the difference between...
[02:22:25]  You know, I'd rather die than have to do this.
[02:22:27]  I'd rather die than have to be like, no, it wasn't an insurrection.
[02:22:31]  Nah, just kill me in the fight.
[02:22:32]  So, Bed brings up the idea of, were there weapons there?
[02:22:37]  Sure.
[02:22:38]  And this leads to a problem for Alex.
[02:22:41]  So, you're there, Alex.
[02:22:42]  So, tell me, were there weapons there?
[02:22:46]  No, nobody used weapons.
[02:22:47]  So are you telling me?
[02:22:48]  Yes, there were weapons.
[02:22:48]  No, you're right.
[02:22:49]  You got me.
[02:22:50]  He's going to say the cops.
[02:22:51]  Yeah, they shot Ashley Babbitt, and they threw people off the balcony, and they beat a woman's brain.
[02:22:57]  You're right.
[02:22:58]  They didn't beat the woman's brain.
[02:22:59]  Oh, no, nobody shot a woman?
[02:23:01]  Nobody beat a woman to death?
[02:23:02]  Nobody beat a woman on the ground.
[02:23:03]  That's a fake video that got put out.
[02:23:04]  That wasn't real.
[02:23:05]  Ashley Babbitt's fake, folks!
[02:23:07]  Wow!
[02:23:07]  I like how you would think that years after the event, we're now getting unreleased footage.
[02:23:11]  There's a video of them dragging that woman.
[02:23:16]  Three and a half hours.
[02:23:18]  How would that take years to report that?
[02:23:20]  Everybody on X, keep him saying they didn't beat a woman to death.
[02:23:25]  You just screwed yourself up.
[02:23:28]  I asked you about that.
[02:23:29]  Got your ass!
[02:23:31]  Yeah, got his ass down!
[02:23:33]  Once again, celebrating.
[02:23:35]  Nobody died!
[02:23:36]  Old woman didn't get drugged in by the cops and beat by the dogs.
[02:23:39]  This is an Eagles-Cowboys game.
[02:23:41]  He wants to do little one-ups.
[02:23:43]  Is that a joke?
[02:23:44]  I hope the audience only goes off how much emotion there is.
[02:23:47]  I can top you.
[02:23:48]  I can top you.
[02:23:49]  Calm down, buddy.
[02:23:49]  Calm down.
[02:23:50]  Spirits game.
[02:23:50]  Oh, man.
[02:23:52]  Sports game?
[02:23:52]  I think we'll take physical challenges off the plate.
[02:23:56]  So Alex is doing this big pageant because he knows that Bed wasn't talking about the police when he asked about weapons.
[02:24:02]  He was asking about the shitload of weapons that Trump supporters had.
[02:24:05]  Yeah.
[02:24:06]  A dude named Jared Barger was just sentenced the other day for carrying a loaded 9mm semi-automatic into the Capitol on January 6th.
[02:24:14]  That's not a good idea.
[02:24:14]  There were so many weapons, like tasers, brass knuckles, batons, and blades that were confiscated.
[02:24:19]  Alex doesn't want to have to recognize this, because his version of the story is it was just a peaceful bunch of nice people walking on a sightseeing tour through the Capitol.
[02:24:27]  You notice the misdirect Alex does with Destiny here, too.
[02:24:30]  Destiny is pointing out that Alex is citing a fake story about a woman being beaten to death, but because Alex knows that Destiny is correct and he's lying about this story, Alex pretends what Destiny is saying is that Ashley Babbitt wasn't shot.
[02:24:41]  Instead of dealing with how he's been called out for an indefensible lie, he's trying to project an indefensible lie.
[02:24:46]  position onto Destiny, which he didn't say.
[02:24:49]  For some context, this is about a deceptively edited video that was pushed in right-wing media that claimed to show police beating Roseanne Boylant, who tragically died that day.
[02:24:57]  She's the person who Glenn Greenwald earlier referred to as the person who died of an amphetamine overdose.
[02:25:02]  This disrespectful-ass fake video was used by shitheads like Alex until it was roundly debunked, but by this point, Alex is counting on people not remembering that it was an edited video.
[02:25:11]  Unfortunately, Destiny knows, so to get himself out of that jam, Alex is forced to pretend Destiny said something entirely different than he did.
[02:25:18]  It's really hard to imagine someone paying attention and not seeing through Alex's really the infantile rhetorical tricks.
[02:25:23]  Yeah.
[02:25:23]  I get Alex is pretending that he won this exchange, but Boylan and Ashley Babbitt were the only two women who died that day, so he's just wrong.
[02:25:29]  And I know this gets lost in the background sometimes, but this is incredibly disrespectful.
[02:25:34]  This is a person who died, and this is how Alex is talking about her.
[02:25:38]  Yeah.
[02:25:38]  Yeah.
[02:25:41]  That's going to come to characterize quite a bit of this.
[02:25:44]  Yeah.
[02:25:45]  It is like if I'm listening to this and I'm thinking, I don't like where the country is.
[02:25:53]  You know what?
[02:25:55]  Got to go back in time to deal with that.
[02:25:57]  It's too late.
[02:25:58]  To debate Thomas Jefferson?
[02:25:59]  I mean, we got to go back.
[02:26:00]  We got to go way back further because this is where we are now.
[02:26:04]  This is who we are.
[02:26:06]  It is unfortunate that it is a snapshot.
[02:26:08]  Yep.
[02:26:08]  Yep.
[02:26:09]  What are you going to do?
[02:26:10]  So anyway, Babb tries to get back to the weapons thing, and just Alex will not shut up.
[02:26:16]  Oh, God.
[02:26:17]  So you said the weapons were the feds shooting Ashley Babbitt.
[02:26:21]  What about, um, how about the guy who, the three men on the corner of 14th and Independence who had AR-15s?
[02:26:29]  How about...
[02:26:30]  Oh, they use those?
[02:26:31]  They didn't use them.
[02:26:33]  What about the pipe bomb?
[02:26:36]  I asked you a question, Alex.
[02:26:38]  I asked you a question if people had weapons.
[02:26:39]  How many weapons were seized?
[02:26:43]  75 of the people arrested within the Capitol building had weapons.
[02:26:53]  We have a couple of clips.
[02:26:54]  Knives and stuff.
[02:26:57]  The knives have weapons that disarm them immediately.
[02:27:01]  How about Guy Raffet?
[02:27:02]  What is he?
[02:27:03]  Three percenter?
[02:27:04]  Does he have nuclear weapons like Biden?
[02:27:06]  He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol.
[02:27:09]  He had a handgun.
[02:27:10]  As he was encouraging people to...
[02:27:12]  That's worse than Pearl Harbor.
[02:27:14]  As he was saying, telling people to go into the Capitol, as he was saying, he wants to drag Nancy Pelosi out of the Capitol and hopes her head hits every stair on the way.
[02:27:24]  Did he say go into the Capitol like Rams?
[02:27:26]  Let me finish my point before you cut me off.
[02:27:28]  He wanted to...
[02:27:29]  Drag Nancy Pelosi out and let her head hit every stare on the way out.
[02:27:33]  He said...
[02:27:34]  Yeah, and a guy pooped on Pelosi.
[02:27:37]  Let Ed finish this point because we're going to go to Darren really quick.
[02:27:40]  He said on his way to the Capitol building that they're going to take the Capitol and insert their own government.
[02:27:48]  Well, I mean, that's kind of overthrowing the government.
[02:27:50]  Like Martians invading and blowing the earth up.
[02:27:53]  Like Glenn Ringwald said.
[02:27:54]  His intention wasn't an insurrection.
[02:27:56]  Are you saying his intention wasn't an insurrection?
[02:27:58]  He's saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi out.
[02:28:00]  And he wasn't under Trump's command!
[02:28:02]  Trump said go peacefully!
[02:28:06]  Yes, you can finish your point and then we're going to go to Darren.
[02:28:09]  Can we use a mute button or something on Alex?
[02:28:11]  No, I'm not going to be run over.
[02:28:12]  So, he was on his way to the Capitol building.
[02:28:15]  This is my fucking studio.
[02:28:16]  Yeah, come on.
[02:28:17]  Try and stop me.
[02:28:18]  He had a handgun.
[02:28:20]  He had a handgun on the stairs of the Capitol saying he's going to drag Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell out.
[02:28:28]  But you don't have a problem with that.
[02:28:29]  He didn't use a gun.
[02:28:30]  What do you think, Darren?
[02:28:31]  Because he didn't use a gun because he didn't have the opportunity to shoot Nancy Pelosi or Mike Pence.
[02:28:36]  That's okay.
[02:28:37]  He didn't have access to them.
[02:28:38]  I didn't say that was okay.
[02:28:39]  Thankfully the Capitol Police.
[02:28:40]  What about the two shaman?
[02:28:44]  Thankfully the Capitol Police.
[02:28:46]  Thankfully the Capitol Police is what you want to repeat.
[02:28:51]  You can't vote for Trump now.
[02:28:52]  A guy had a gun.
[02:28:53]  I've been asked by Zero Hedge to moderate this debate, so that's what I'm going to do.
[02:28:56]  Everyone quiet down.
[02:28:57]  We're going to Darren Beattie.
[02:29:00]  What's the question here?
[02:29:02]  Oh, man.
[02:29:03]  So there's no point in pretending a moderator is going to be able to handle Alex.
[02:29:06]  Yeah.
[02:29:06]  He only responds to force, and he's not scared of anyone in that room.
[02:29:09]  Yeah.
[02:29:09]  He's emotionally afraid of Destiny, but he could probably kick Destiny's ass, so Alex will constantly badger him, and he's fine with that.
[02:29:16]  Yep.
[02:29:16]  The only answer is a mute button, and Alex is coked out, so we'll just steal the mic next to him and yell so loud that it's picked up on your mic, too.
[02:29:23]  Yep.
[02:29:23]  It's his studio, so good fucking luck with a mute button.
[02:29:26]  Yep.
[02:29:26]  And yeah, Ian, Zero Hedge asked you to moderate this debate, but it was so shit...
[02:29:29]  Like, this would happen.
[02:29:31]  Would happen.
[02:29:32]  Yes.
[02:29:32]  You don't ask Alex to join an event ever if you're looking for a calm, reasoned conversation.
[02:29:37]  You want a show, and Alex knows he has to give a show because he's got nothing else.
[02:29:41]  Yeah.
[02:29:41]  Pretty sad stuff all around.
[02:29:43]  Bed is clearly trying to illustrate that there were a ton of weapons there, which is important because Alex said there weren't.
[02:29:48]  And Alex is trying to deflect down every possible avenue he sees to keep things off track.
[02:29:53]  Oh, well.
[02:29:53]  Thankfully they went to Beattie at the end there, though, who might have just been woken up from a nap.
[02:29:57]  I don't know where he is.
[02:29:59]  You know, and that's...
[02:30:00]  Nonsense.
[02:30:00]  That's such a terrible thing for Alex to do, because I do think there's such a...
[02:30:05]  There's a good response to that, which is just like, man, if the country gets overthrown by, like, a hundred people with knives and shit, that is on us.
[02:30:16]  That is on us.
[02:30:17]  It indicates an organizational weakness to our...
[02:30:20]  We deserve to have been...
[02:30:23]  If a hundred guys with knives can overthrow the country, we deserve it.
[02:30:27]  We have it coming.
[02:30:28]  Yeah.
[02:30:28]  I'll take that.
[02:30:29]  And I think that, you know, you could also stake a pretty decent position of, like, just saying it's okay for people to have weapons.
[02:30:38]  Yeah.
[02:30:38]  You know?
[02:30:39]  Oh, I can't have them on the Capitol because they're so special?
[02:30:43]  I mean...
[02:30:43]  Are they more special than children at schools?
[02:30:45]  Because you won't let me carry those at schools, but...
[02:30:49]  Well, Alex wants people to have guns.
[02:30:52]  It's cool.
[02:30:53]  I think that there is a difference between having a knife in your pocket, incidentally, and having an intention of using a knife.
[02:31:02]  And I think that having brass knuckles or bear mace and that kind of stuff, that's a little different.
[02:31:08]  I'm not fighting the jets, man.
[02:31:10]  I'm not the sharks.
[02:31:13]  We're not doing brass knuckles.
[02:31:15]  I have my brass knuckles rolled up in my shirt sleeve.
[02:31:18]  So Alex talks a little bit about how he went to the January 6th committee and pled the 5th and shit.
[02:31:24]  I wasn't just there on January 6th.
[02:31:27]  I was in that congressional hearing and took the 5th 98 times.
[02:31:31]  And not because I need to hide.
[02:31:33]  The Fifth Amendment isn't just to incriminate yourself.
[02:31:36]  It's because they wanted me in a perjury trap.
[02:31:38]  They were to have witnesses claim something wasn't true.
[02:31:40]  You think, I think, attacking the Capitol makes us win an election?
[02:31:44]  Yeah, but witnesses against your, their testimony versus you can't get you in perjury.
[02:31:48]  They can't.
[02:31:49]  Oh yeah, just ask Roger Stone that question.
[02:31:51]  Yeah, explain the law to Alex now.
[02:31:53]  Now's the time you'll get it.
[02:31:55]  Roger Stone wasn't involved with WikiLeaks.
[02:31:57]  He worked here then.
[02:31:58]  He couldn't get a hold of him.
[02:32:00]  I knew.
[02:32:00]  He told the truth.
[02:32:01]  He didn't tell anybody, I'm behind the WikiLeaks.
[02:32:03]  They said Roger Stone ran WikiLeaks.
[02:32:05]  He never even talked to Julian Assange.
[02:32:07]  I didn't say he ran WikiLeaks.
[02:32:08]  They did him!
[02:32:09]  I think this is getting off topic.
[02:32:13]  What makes you think that's off topic?
[02:32:14]  Roger didn't lie to Congress when he said, I don't know WikiLeaks.
[02:32:18]  I have not interviewed Assange.
[02:32:19]  Let's pull back to Darren.
[02:32:21]  Darren's going to finish off what you were saying about this.
[02:32:23]  And I think, Glenn, you were going to mention something after that.
[02:32:25]  And then I have a couple of clips that we're going to play.
[02:32:26]  But, Darren.
[02:32:27]  Yeah, I mean, the January 6th.
[02:32:29]  Hearings were a show trial of the sort that would make Kim Jong-il blush.
[02:32:35]  Explain it to them.
[02:32:36]  That's what you got?
[02:32:38]  He was napping.
[02:32:40]  That was your big deal?
[02:32:44]  Hey, let's go to Beatty for that.
[02:32:46]  We pick who the people are on our jury.
[02:32:48]  Jim Jordan was being investigated by the committee.
[02:32:52]  They wanted a person on the committee who was being investigated by the committee.

=== Rapid-Fire Arguing? (15:47) ===

[02:32:58]  How does that make sense?
[02:32:59]  Oh, my God, when you're being investigated by the Democrats, I think a lot of people watching don't understand.
[02:33:05]  Hey guys, guys, Alex.
[02:33:07]  Does that matter?
[02:33:08]  The people that are listening don't have the context, so if we start rapid-fire argumentation, a lot of people are going to lose interest.
[02:33:13]  If you need to stay focused and listen to each other, it's really important.
[02:33:16]  Staying focused is really hard for them to win their case.
[02:33:18]  It is really hard.
[02:33:19]  They can't win their case when they have to stay focused.
[02:33:20]  It's very hard, but...
[02:33:21]  It is possible.
[02:33:23]  I'm going to go take a piss, and I'll let you talk.
[02:33:25]  All right.
[02:33:28]  I gotta say...
[02:33:30]  I have no love for Bed, but he's getting a couple good clapbacks there.
[02:33:33]  Sure, sure.
[02:33:34]  I think Alex very understandably underestimated him, but it's kind of irrelevant, since Alex can clearly just easily yell over him, and Bed is too polite to really get into the dirt, like Destiny might.
[02:33:44]  I mean, he was afraid to say crap.
[02:33:46]  Yeah.
[02:33:46]  Alex just said, I'm gonna go take a piss, and I don't know, can I say crap?
[02:33:50]  Let me make this perfectly clear.
[02:33:51]  Yeah.
[02:33:51]  Rapid-fire arguing like this is not going to make people lose interest.
[02:33:55]  No, I would love that.
[02:33:55]  This is a fucking freak show.
[02:33:56]  Everyone tuning in is tuning in on the off chance Alex loses his shit and decides to eat one of the Krasen steams.
[02:34:03]  100%.
[02:34:03]  If anything, the thing that's making this less interesting to me is how no points are ever really explored because Alex can't stay on topic, and you have a fucking Dig Dong Beatty in here.
[02:34:13]  Alex is a coked-out child, so even when someone touches on a decent point worth getting into, he'll remember that Trump isn't on the Colorado ballot and decide...
[02:34:21]  He needs to rant about it immediately.
[02:34:23]  Yep.
[02:34:23]  Curious what that breaking news was from earlier, though.
[02:34:25]  I was thinking the same thing.
[02:34:27]  Did they manufacture breaking news for Alex to interrupt at a certain point?
[02:34:31]  I can tell you this much.
[02:34:32]  We're not going to get to it on this episode.
[02:34:34]  You son of a man.
[02:34:37]  Cliffhanger.
[02:34:37]  Will it happen next episode?
[02:34:39]  Who's to say?
[02:34:39]  Looks like we're all going to go take a piss.
[02:34:41]  Well, speaking of that, Alex goes to take a piss.
[02:34:44]  Okay.
[02:34:44]  And so that leaves the other participants to argue.
[02:34:47]  Sure.
[02:34:48]  Namely, Destiny and Glenn.
[02:34:50]  If you look at how coups are carried out in other countries, you could make a much better case that the Black Lives Matter protests of 2020 was an insurrectionary movement.
[02:35:00]  And the reason it matters, Destiny, is because if you're going to make arguments, there has to be an important test, which is do you apply the same principles you're claiming to profess and believe in to cases where it undermines your partisan allegiance and your ideology, not only where it helps it.
[02:35:14]  That's one of the key tasks for determining the authenticity of your argument.
[02:35:17]  And so if you don't think the 2020 protest movement was an insurrectionary movement against the United States government, there's no way to claim what January 6th was, especially since Trump could have done so much more to cause a coup that he did not do because that wasn't his aim ever.
[02:35:32]  If you want to talk about applying the same standard, would you have been okay in the year 2000 if Gore refused to certify the vote because he didn't like what was happening in Florida?
[02:35:40]  Can you answer that question?
[02:35:42]  Glenn, answer the question.
[02:35:44]  Yes, a lot of Democrats were angry about that.
[02:35:47]  I'm asking, you would be okay, personally, if he refused to certify the vote?
[02:35:52]  I think there were two arguments.
[02:35:53]  You won't answer the question.
[02:35:55]  In 2016, would you have been okay if Biden...
[02:35:59]  Because if you really believe that an election is stolen, if the Democrats claim they did, then it is kind of odd to say, we're just going to concede that and allow George Bush to march into power, even though we believe that he actually stole the election.
[02:36:13]  That is kind of an odd way to go down with your destiny.
[02:36:15]  It's not all at all.
[02:36:16]  We live in a democracy.
[02:36:18]  There are appropriate forums through which you can challenge.
[02:36:20]  Did they not battle that out in the courts?
[02:36:22]  And they lost.
[02:36:23]  Okay, there you go.
[02:36:25]  And you lost.
[02:36:27]  Once you lose, anything past that is vigilantism.
[02:36:30]  Vigilantism directed at the government to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to entrench your own power.
[02:36:35]  Off the courts!
[02:36:37]  That's what he tried to do.
[02:36:38]  He told them to be peaceful.
[02:36:40]  Oh, he told them to be peaceful.
[02:36:41]  Sounds like a fucking baby there.
[02:36:43]  That's amazing.
[02:36:43]  I don't know why Glenn wouldn't just bite the bullet and say that he'd be fine with Gore doing exactly what Trump did.
[02:36:48]  Hell yeah, you've got no stakes.
[02:36:50]  Gore can't go back and do it now!
[02:36:52]  No, but it's probably because he and Darren are pretending that Trump's claims didn't get a fair hearing.
[02:36:57]  Sure.
[02:36:57]  They're invested in staying in that position.
[02:36:59]  And that kind of falls apart if you stake a firm answer to Destiny's question.
[02:37:03]  Gross.
[02:37:04]  Also, Glenn must have no fucking idea who Destiny is.
[02:37:09]  Yeah.
[02:37:27]  to denounce those protests.
[02:37:29]  And he just happens to be arguing with maybe the only person who has the political set that both passes his test Super into arguing.
[02:37:37]  Yeah.
[02:37:37]  What a dipshit.
[02:37:38]  Yeah.
[02:37:38]  I was really disappointed that that didn't actually blow up in his face, because it really could have.
[02:37:44]  Yeah.
[02:37:45]  Instead, Destiny asks a question that Glenn can't answer, as opposed to just being like, yes, fine.
[02:37:51]  Yeah.
[02:37:52]  And just deflating him entirely.
[02:37:54]  It is so fascinating.
[02:37:57]  To me, because it seems like this is the type of shit that invalidates the entirety of the point of any of these, is that idea of when I am put to the question, I am afraid of my own answer.
[02:38:11]  Right.
[02:38:12]  It's just such a like, oh, well then...
[02:38:14]  Then there's no point in talking in this forum.
[02:38:17]  We can only speak in a place where you are not afraid of your own answer.
[02:38:20]  Only if there's Chatham House rules, and then you're not going to be doing this publicly.
[02:38:24]  Yeah, I mean, exactly.
[02:38:25]  It's like, unless you are able to be like, this is open, I am available, then there's no point.
[02:38:33]  Yeah.
[02:38:34]  And if you're constantly trying to play defense about what your positions imply.
[02:38:38]  If you're playing defense, period.
[02:38:40]  What are we doing?
[02:38:41]  This is not an offense-defense thing.
[02:38:43]  It is a condescension thing.
[02:38:45]  There is definitely that.
[02:38:46]  And Glenn gets deep into the weeds on that in this next clip where he explains that a coup must have violence in it.
[02:38:54]  Oh, he's a condescension wonk.
[02:38:55]  Yeah, and then this...
[02:38:56]  Nice.
[02:38:56]  And then this all...
[02:38:57]  His definition falls apart right in front of his face.
[02:39:00]  This is the legal process of the congressional and judicial process.
[02:39:04]  That was not a legal process.
[02:39:06]  If he had ordered the military or some other FBI or any of those agencies, the CIA, to go and use violence on domestic soil in order to ignore those court rulings the way people do when they're trying to implement coups, you would have a good argument.
[02:39:19]  He didn't do any of that.
[02:39:20]  He invoked all of his legal rights in the judiciary and in the Congress.
[02:39:24]  He lost, and he walked out of the White House on January 20th.
[02:39:27]  He did not have to be dragged out.
[02:39:28]  He wasn't arrested by the military, which is what happens in coups.
[02:39:32]  So much of this is because you only started paying attention to politics in 2016.
[02:39:36]  You only live in the United States.
[02:39:37]  You have no idea about history or anything that happens in other countries.
[02:39:40]  You have no idea what a coup is.
[02:39:42]  This is a coup.
[02:39:43]  Glenn, you bring that up.
[02:39:44]  Glenn, you bring that up.
[02:39:44]  You're trying to use Hawaii as an example for something that was comparable, where both slates of electors were actually duly elected by the people there in the 60s.
[02:39:53]  Hawaii and South Carolina, these other historical examples that people go to for multiple slates of electors are not at all comparable.
[02:39:58]  Both of these things happened prior to 2016.
[02:40:01]  There are no examples in U.S. history, or if you want to give me one since you know so much history.
[02:40:05]  Give it to me.
[02:40:06]  Is there any other examples in US history where the president is telling the vice president to unilaterally not certify the vote?
[02:40:12]  Has that ever happened before?
[02:40:15]  That's a totally separate question.
[02:40:17]  I want to say it happened on January 6th.
[02:40:19]  It doesn't matter if it's the first time that it ever happened.
[02:40:23]  Even if it's the first time or the tenth time, it's still not a coup or an insurrection.
[02:40:26]  A coup or an insurrection is when you use violence and force in order to seize control of power outside of the legal process.
[02:40:33]  So if there's no violence, it can't be a coup.
[02:40:38]  Wasn't there violence?
[02:40:40]  I saw violence.
[02:40:42]  How much violence do you need?
[02:40:45]  That's a good question.
[02:40:46]  25 billion.
[02:40:49]  That's a bad answer.
[02:40:50]  To the January 6th protesters, not from them.
[02:40:52]  Again, not a single protester whipped out a gun, let alone used a gun.
[02:40:57]  That is an extremely weird clue.
[02:40:59]  How many officers were injured?
[02:41:02]  140?
[02:41:02]  Wait, wait.
[02:41:03]  Is that enough violence for you?
[02:41:04]  Whoops.
[02:41:04]  Here's a good question.
[02:41:06]  So Glenn's definition of a coup is stupid, and even by his estimate, January 6th could easily be called a coup.
[02:41:11]  As pointed out by BED, there was tons of violence.
[02:41:13]  Yeah.
[02:41:14]  Thank God, Ian.
[02:41:15]  Great work.
[02:41:16]  Playing defense for these Ding Dongs.
[02:41:19]  And just to be clear, when Destiny is saying that Glenn brought up Hawaii, his response is that he never said that.
[02:41:24]  I think there's a misunderstanding here because Glenn did bring up 1960 earlier as an example of a time when people claimed elections were stolen because of the situation with the electors in Hawaii.
[02:41:33]  This was meant as a deflection to pretend that everything that Trump did was super cool and not a problem at all.
[02:41:38]  He didn't necessarily bring that up as an example of something that's comparable to what Trump did, but Glenn Greenwald clearly thinks that Destiny is saying that he brought up Hawaii as an example of a coup.
[02:41:47]  They're talking past each other, but overall, Glenn is wrong and a condescending dipshit.
[02:41:52]  He said that if you disagree with him, it's just because you live in the United States and you only learned about politics in 2016.
[02:41:58]  He can take that shit somewhere else.
[02:42:00]  I don't even particularly care about Destiny or the Krasensteins.
[02:42:03]  You have to be a real dick to act like that.
[02:42:06]  Also, Glenn's definition requires a large carve-out for bloodless coups that have happened throughout world history.
[02:42:12]  Can't think of any.
[02:42:13]  Only five people died in the Carnation Revolution in Portugal.
[02:42:15]  The same number...
[02:42:17]  As January 6th, if you include Officer Sicknick.
[02:42:19]  That's actually one too few enough violence for me.
[02:42:22]  Yeah, sorry.
[02:42:23]  Only three people died in the June uprising in South Korea in 1987.
[02:42:26]  Like, his definition has huge holes, and January 6th doesn't meet, like, his qualifications.
[02:42:33]  I will tell you, of all the coups that ever could have been, that ever could have possibly been, when...
[02:42:42]  A famed novelist, Yukio Mishma, attempted to overthrow Japan by breaking into the Prime Minister's office with his friends who he trained into samurai and chopped his head off publicly.
[02:42:57]  Yeah, that didn't work out.
[02:42:58]  Didn't work out, but he really could have done it!
[02:43:00]  And then instead of doing that, he had his own head chopped off by committing seppuku, and his buddy, who was going to chop his head off, took him three tries.
[02:43:09]  How much does that suck?
[02:43:11]  You jam a sword through your gut.
[02:43:13]  You got your entrails in your hands.
[02:43:15]  You need a good fucking head chopper.
[02:43:17]  You gotta have a good head chopper.
[02:43:18]  Yeah.
[02:43:18]  Otherwise, it's gonna be forever.
[02:43:19]  Yeah.
[02:43:20]  And then people bring it up on a podcast.
[02:43:22]  Forever.
[02:43:23]  So, Destiny tries to explain here what would have happened if Pence had gone through with the plan that Trump had.
[02:43:30]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:43:31]  And then Alex comes back from definitely not a piss.
[02:43:34]  Oh, no.
[02:43:35]  I just don't understand all of the insanely arbitrary caps that we're trying to create to try to say that it wasn't a coup.
[02:43:40]  Well, there was violence, but there wasn't enough.
[02:43:42]  There was a subversion of the democratic process, but it didn't end up working.
[02:43:45]  Like, if the plan would have gone as Donald Trump wanted it to have gone, which is Vice President Pence unilaterally tossing out the Electoral College vote, and if Donald Trump would have retained power past when he was supposed to lose it...
[02:43:58]  What is that, if not a coup?
[02:44:00]  What would you call that?
[02:44:00]  No one ordered those people, the few hundred that actually fought police, to do that.
[02:44:04]  That's great.
[02:44:05]  What would you call that, though?
[02:44:06]  Trump's not been charged.
[02:44:07]  No one said Trump's been charged with insurrection or inciting a riot.
[02:44:10]  Jack Smith especially did.
[02:44:12]  But we can't vote for him because they say he's guilty.
[02:44:14]  What would you call it if Pence would have unilaterally thrown out the vote and Trump would have held on to power for some weeks?
[02:44:19]  Trump was calling for a 10-day Senate investigation.
[02:44:22]  That's why we were there.
[02:44:23]  That's great.
[02:44:24]  What would have happened if Pence would have thrown out the vote?
[02:44:26]  No, that's a hypothetical.
[02:44:27]  Trump wanted a 10-day investigation.
[02:44:28]  No, but he also wanted Pence to throw out the world votes.
[02:44:30]  Yeah, what would have happened?
[02:44:31]  What would you have called that?
[02:44:31]  Him and Eastman were pushing for that.
[02:44:33]  Yeah, what would we have called that?
[02:44:34]  Can I get a name for that?
[02:44:34]  If you don't want to call it a coup or an insurrection, what would you call that?
[02:44:38]  Well, I'd call it taking Trump off the ballot and saying we can't vote for him.
[02:44:42]  I know you won't answer because you probably know he's guilty.
[02:44:43]  That's fine.
[02:44:44]  Oh, I know he's guilty.
[02:44:45]  Glenn, what would you call it if the president was able to entrench his power by asking his vice president to throw out the vote unilaterally, which is what he was trying to do?
[02:44:53]  Do you want to deny the facts?
[02:44:55]  Do you want to deny that it's a coup?
[02:44:55]  What part...
[02:44:56]  A coup.
[02:44:57]  You're lucky there wasn't a real coup.
[02:44:59]  Wow.
[02:45:00]  You're lucky there wasn't a real coup is such a great not a coup thing to say.
[02:45:05]  Yeah.
[02:45:05]  Chill, cool guy.
[02:45:07]  I do think it took a while to get here, but I like the dismissive tone that Destiny is taking with Alex.
[02:45:12]  I do appreciate it.
[02:45:13]  I think that has a lot of potential.
[02:45:15]  Yeah, that's great.
[02:45:16]  Good call.
[02:45:16]  Alex claimed that he went to take a piss, but he was gone for a while.
[02:45:19]  He was gone.
[02:45:20]  He was gone for about eight minutes, so I assume he probably did some booze.
[02:45:24]  I think he was probably drunk.
[02:45:25]  That's a lot of pee.
[02:45:26]  And that's good.
[02:45:27]  I mean, it's not good.
[02:45:29]  But I'm tired of Coke, Alex, and I want drunk esoteric Alex.
[02:45:32]  I want a shift.
[02:45:33]  Alex needs a downer.
[02:45:35]  That is definitely for sure.
[02:45:36]  And even just for my own sake, for everyone's sake, we need the vibe shift.
[02:45:43]  Yeah.
[02:45:43]  So hopefully Alex is drunk.
[02:45:45]  Spoiler alert, he is.
[02:45:47]  Yay!
[02:45:48]  So Glenn answers Destiny's question and makes some implications along the way that maybe he wouldn't defend.
[02:45:54]  If that had happened, my guess is it would have ended up in the Supreme Court.
[02:45:58]  The Supreme Court would have made the decision about whether Mike Pence exercised his proper authority as vice president.
[02:46:03]  And then Donald Trump, if he had run out of options, would have left the White House on January 20th without any need for military force or police force, exactly how he did.
[02:46:11]  And I would have called that the exhaustion of all of the legal remedies available to the president in the event that he thinks that's not going to happen.
[02:46:17]  And therefore, it would have been just the way.
[02:46:20]  The Bush v. Gore thing played out.
[02:46:22]  Okay.
[02:46:23]  Exhausting your legal options, getting up to the Supreme Court.
[02:46:26]  The Supreme Court makes the determination.
[02:46:28]  Let Darren finish.
[02:46:29]  If both of you accept that then, then if the Supreme Court says that because of Amendment 14, Section 3, Trump can't be on the ballot, you would both accept that as well?
[02:46:37]  I wouldn't, but I think that would be authoritative.
[02:46:40]  We didn't think it would be authoritative, but Donald Trump, one man, centralizing power among himself to remain in power, that's not authoritative.
[02:46:48]  He didn't.
[02:46:50]  That's what he tried to do.
[02:46:51]  That is what happened.
[02:46:52]  I know you only read tweets and headlines, Glenn, but believe it or not, that's actually what happened.
[02:46:57]  He wanted a 10-day, that was our goal, was a 10-day Senate investigation into the Constitution.
[02:47:01]  That's not what was happening behind the scenes, though.
[02:47:03]  There's testimony from...
[02:47:04]  The lawyers involved.
[02:47:06]  They were wargaming everything.
[02:47:08]  Exactly.
[02:47:08]  The Attorney General, the Assistant AG, the Assistant Deputy AG, all of his legal counsel, all of the state senators, all of the congressmen.
[02:47:15]  If I could talk over you, I'd be way better than you.
[02:47:16]  That's what you've been doing the whole time.
[02:47:18]  Don't, don't, no.
[02:47:18]  You're doing it, and then I dominate you.
[02:47:20]  You can't handle it.
[02:47:20]  Okay.
[02:47:21]  Okay.
[02:47:21]  So Glenn's answer is incoherent and nonsensical.
[02:47:26]  I think Alex might be drunk.
[02:47:27]  You do sense a little shift.
[02:47:30]  Yeah.
[02:47:31]  A little shift.
[02:47:31]  I think he might have hit some Tito's.
[02:47:33]  I'm gonna say this.
[02:47:35]  I feel like I should...
[02:47:40]  I feel like I want to actually take over a country.
[02:47:43]  Just to, like, do it.
[02:47:46]  Right.
[02:47:47]  Proud.
[02:47:48]  You know, like, out and out.
[02:47:49]  I'm like, I'm taking over this fucking country!
[02:47:52]  And if I get caught and lose, I will accept the responsibility for my actions!
[02:47:57]  You know?
[02:47:57]  Well, because you want to be a role model to these people.
[02:48:00]  I do!
[02:48:01]  I do!
[02:48:02]  You want to lead by example.
[02:48:03]  And listen, if I lose, I lose, and if I win, I get to rule the country!
[02:48:07]  That's the trade-off.
[02:48:08]  I know you pretty well.
[02:48:09]  I think you would give the country back and be like, I did this on principle.
[02:48:12]  I did!
[02:48:13]  Just to show Alex how it's done.
[02:48:14]  It's rude.
[02:48:15]  With class.
[02:48:15]  It's rude to do it poorly.
[02:48:17]  Yeah.
[02:48:18]  That's all I'm saying.
[02:48:19]  So Ian tries to redirect and bring up a question, which is, was Trump responsible for January 6th?
[02:48:28]  Do you think that Trump was responsible for this thing on January 6th?

=== Speech Interrupted (03:09) ===

[02:48:31]  100% not.
[02:48:32]  He'd had hundreds of rallies around the country.
[02:48:34]  Five or six months before this.
[02:48:38]  He's proven over and over again.
[02:48:39]  People will show up and do whatever he tells them to do.
[02:48:41]  On the Capitol grounds, we had a stage.
[02:48:43]  And then we get there, and it's bedlam.
[02:48:46]  And so, no, Trump didn't think attacking the Capitol would make him look good.
[02:48:50]  That's why he came out and said, don't do this and go home.
[02:48:53]  Why didn't he call them off immediately if he thought it didn't make him look good?
[02:48:56]  It was happening while he was giving a speech.
[02:48:58]  Wrong.
[02:48:58]  The reason why he didn't call them off is because Kim, Giuliani, and Eastman were making phone calls to other senators and congressmen asking them to decertify the electoral vote.
[02:49:07]  No, no, no.
[02:49:07]  Do you acknowledge that happened?
[02:49:10]  We're talking about the crowd.
[02:49:12]  I don't care about the crowd.
[02:49:13]  I'm saying that as the riot was raging on, and he was sitting there sipping his Diet Coke, if this really made him and his followers look bad, why didn't Donald Trump make a video immediately?
[02:49:21]  Yeah, I'm about to do it, because I can talk over you really easy.
[02:49:24]  That's what you've been doing the whole time.
[02:49:24]  No, no, no, you're doing it.
[02:49:25]  I look forward to you dodging the question again.
[02:49:27]  You're doing it, you're doing it.
[02:49:28]  No, you.
[02:49:28]  You're doing it, you're doing it, you're doing it.
[02:49:30]  No, you.
[02:49:30]  You.
[02:49:31]  You.
[02:49:31]  No, you.
[02:49:32]  Both of you keep doing it.
[02:49:33]  It's one of you guys.
[02:49:34]  Take it out.
[02:49:36]  Trump.
[02:49:38]  While he was speaking, I was getting text messages, and I left to try to go stop it.
[02:49:45]  And when I got there, he was still speaking.
[02:49:49]  So this thing where you guys say, the attack started at this time, and Trump did nothing this time, he's speaking while it happens for hours.
[02:49:58]  He then goes to the White House, tries to figure out what's going on, and puts a statement out against it.
[02:50:02]  And he said, in the middle of his speech, I'm a teleprompter.
[02:50:07]  Go be peaceful.
[02:50:08]  That's what I said.
[02:50:09]  He also said, fight like hell.
[02:50:12]  If we don't fight like hell, we're not going to have a country.
[02:50:16]  What did Rudy Giuliani say?
[02:50:17]  He said, let's have trial by combat.
[02:50:21]  That's a legal term.
[02:50:23]  That's a legal term.
[02:50:26]  Yeah.
[02:50:27]  He's doing good.
[02:50:28]  So now this introduces an interesting question, because Alex's timeline is incredibly wrong.
[02:50:32]  It's silly.
[02:50:33]  But there's one thing in that timeline that he's giving that we can't confirm at all, and that is a text that Alex got while he was at Trump's speech that said violence at the Capitol.
[02:50:44]  Yeah.
[02:50:45]  If that is the case...
[02:50:46]  He had preemptive knowledge because violence hadn't broken out at the Capitol yet.
[02:50:51]  Unless he's saying that this happened at about 1 o 'clock.
[02:50:54]  10 minutes before Trump's speech ended.
[02:50:56]  Then possibly someone could have broken through the police barricades and then Alex got word of it.
[02:51:02]  But if it was much longer before that then it would be someone telling him what's going to happen.
[02:51:09]  And that's questionable.
[02:51:11]  Yeah.
[02:51:11]  I would ask the January 6th committee, were they not dissolved, to ask Alex about that, and then he would plead the fifth.
[02:51:17]  It's the type of thing that Alex would say is evidence, even if it wasn't.
[02:51:22]  It's suspicious.
[02:51:23]  It's suspicious.
[02:51:24]  So Alex is just trying to do his show.

=== Debating Immigration Policy (15:16) ===

[02:51:26]  You know?
[02:51:27]  I mean...
[02:51:28]  I think other people might want to debate.
[02:51:30]  He doesn't.
[02:51:31]  I appreciate the many ways that you could read that sentence.
[02:51:35]  You know, like, Alex just wants to do a show.
[02:51:38]  Yeah.
[02:51:39]  Alex just wants to do a show.
[02:51:41]  Alex is wanting to do a show.
[02:51:43]  And it's an emergency.
[02:51:45]  And it's all there.
[02:51:45]  All of these are possible.
[02:51:47]  And then the bed is just kind of unwittingly a guest.
[02:51:52]  Trump never supported political violence.
[02:51:56]  Trump never told people to be goons.
[02:51:58]  The left's what burned down half the country.
[02:51:59]  Everybody knows that.
[02:52:01]  Everybody knows this Biden's erased the border.
[02:52:03]  Everybody knows all this.
[02:52:04]  You're sitting there claiming this was...
[02:52:06]  Do you agree this was Ben's Pearl Harbor?
[02:52:10]  What are you comparing it?
[02:52:11]  As big as Pearl Harbor in what way?
[02:52:13]  3,000 died at Pearl Harbor.
[02:52:15]  People dead?
[02:52:16]  No.
[02:52:17]  Maybe a blemish on our democracy?
[02:52:20]  I'd say it was very close.
[02:52:21]  Let me ask you this.
[02:52:22]  If they bring in, which they've done, 10 million illegal aliens the last three years, and then that gives them, with the congressional seats in the census, more Democrat seats in the Congress, is that not...
[02:52:32]  Undocumented aliens, undocumented immigrants are not voting.
[02:52:36]  They are counted.
[02:52:36]  No, they are not.
[02:52:37]  No, they're counted in the census!
[02:52:39]  But they're not voting.
[02:52:40]  They're counted in the census.
[02:52:41]  They're not voting.
[02:52:42]  Can we backtrack really fast?
[02:52:45]  Oh my god.
[02:52:46]  So the question if J6 was as big as Pearl Harbor is actually an interesting question.
[02:52:50]  Yeah.
[02:52:50]  Honestly, in terms of history, we may have no idea how to answer that question at this point.
[02:52:55]  Pearl Harbor got us involved in World War II, so that's kind of hard to eclipse, but the rippling effects of Trump's actions after 2020 could end up resulting in a war.
[02:53:03]  If shit goes terribly bad in the 2024 election and there's an outbreak of insurgent violence and a fundamental destabilization of the world's main superpower, then I would say that it is comparable to Pearl Harbor.
[02:53:14]  As it stands now, J6 is...
[02:53:16]  It's undoubtedly a massive event in our history, but it's kind of impossible to compare it to historical events because we know what those things led to.
[02:53:22]  Right.
[02:53:23]  It's unfair.
[02:53:23]  Yeah, if Trump, within the next ten years, drops an atomic bomb, way worse than Pearl Harbor.
[02:53:30]  We'll throw that out there.
[02:53:31]  Because the new ones are worse than the old ones.
[02:53:34]  Well, you know, I think...
[02:53:37]  That's my view on nukes.
[02:53:39]  The new ones are worse than the old ones.
[02:53:41]  It is kind of difficult when you include nuclear weapons.
[02:53:45]  Once there's a nuke, it's tough.
[02:53:47]  I appreciate that.
[02:53:49]  That's a great line for the coup.
[02:53:51]  If a coup involves a nuke, it's a coup.
[02:53:54]  100% guaranteed.
[02:53:55]  I don't know if Pearl Harbor was a nuke.
[02:53:57]  I don't even know.
[02:54:00]  Alex's immigrant theory is based purely on racism.
[02:54:03]  In reality, in 2020, Pew Research analyzed what the effect of removing undocumented immigrants from the census would do to congressional seats, and it would result in a loss of a House seat in Texas, Florida, and California.
[02:54:15]  California would have a fair chance of that seat ending up being a Democratic one, but in Texas and Florida, the odds are that seat would be lost if undocumented immigrants weren't counted in the census would be a Republican one.
[02:54:27]  Doing what Alex wants would likely result in a net loss for his side.
[02:54:33]  Additionally, the states that would gain a seat if undocumented immigrants weren't counted would be Alabama, Minnesota, and Ohio.
[02:54:39]  Ohio and Alabama have legislatures controlled by the GOP, so they'd likely redistrict GOP districts, but Minnesota is majority Democrat.
[02:54:47]  So what I'm saying is that if Alex got his way and undocumented immigrants didn't count, didn't count on the census, it would make no difference in the composition of the House.
[02:54:55]  Basically wash.
[02:54:56]  Two GOP seats would be lost and two would gain.
[02:54:59]  One democratic state would lose a seat and one would gain one.
[02:55:02]  There's no actual political gain to what Alex wants, but there's a big political gain in demonizing immigrants, which is what this is all about.
[02:55:09]  The specter of undocumented immigrants changing the apportionment of House seats is a white nationalist talking point, but there's no truth to it.
[02:55:16]  The amount of immigrants that would need to come in is astronomical and even Alex's exaggerated numbers Yeah, you know what I find fascinating?
[02:55:27]  Is that we don't talk more about the first ten or so presidents.
[02:55:33]  Well, we got Washington.
[02:55:36]  I mean, I mean the process.
[02:55:38]  Dot, dot, dot.
[02:55:38]  Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah.
[02:55:39]  I mean the process, because it was so fucking stupid.
[02:55:43]  Everybody was dumb.
[02:55:44]  Everything was corrupt as shit.
[02:55:45]  And the main reason that it wasn't that big of a deal, really, was because it was only straight white men who could do anything anyways, period.
[02:55:53]  So it was like, just how it is now.
[02:55:56]  But now people have a choice.
[02:55:58]  That aren't straight white men.
[02:56:00]  And that's the real problem that we're experiencing right now.
[02:56:03]  It's a problem for Alex.
[02:56:04]  All of these people wish that it was the first ten years of the United States again.
[02:56:09]  Yeah.
[02:56:10]  Oh, I mean, the politics are fairly similar.
[02:56:13]  But there's new words, like email.
[02:56:14]  Yeah, which is interesting.
[02:56:17]  I find it fascinating.
[02:56:18]  So Destiny comes in explaining what Trump did in terms of the election.
[02:56:22]  And Alex just yells.
[02:56:25]  Trump?
[02:56:25]  Laid out very precisely exactly what he believed had happened.
[02:56:29]  He thought that the vote was being stolen, that our country was being taken from us.
[02:56:33]  Not believe what he wanted others to believe.
[02:56:35]  Yeah, that Congress wasn't acting, that Mike Pence was supposed to be the guy to do it, but he hadn't heard good things about them, and they needed to go down to the Capitol building to protest.
[02:56:44]  To protest what?
[02:56:45]  To protest.
[02:56:46]  Out of a million people, a couple hundred led by Feds, there's something wrong.
[02:56:49]  You're like a broken record.
[02:56:50]  You're a broken record.
[02:56:51]  No, no, I'm not a broken record.
[02:56:52]  Every time I'm trying to talk, you try to shut me down.
[02:56:54]  Listen, here's the bottom line.
[02:56:56]  Trump has not been charged with insurrection.
[02:56:58]  No one said he was.
[02:56:59]  Here's the bottom line.
[02:56:59]  But you're saying people can't vote for him.
[02:57:01]  Hell yeah.
[02:57:02]  No, I'm not saying that.
[02:57:03]  That's up to the Supreme Court.
[02:57:04]  Do you support the Democrat?
[02:57:05]  No one here is talking about him being...
[02:57:07]  Do you support Colorado and Maine taking him out of the ballot?
[02:57:09]  That's up to the Supreme Court.
[02:57:10]  No, you punt.
[02:57:11]  Do you think it's good for the opposing party, when a guy's way ahead in the polls, to remove someone from the ballot?
[02:57:17]  It's not about him being ahead in the polls or not.
[02:57:19]  It's about whether or not he engaged in insurrection and if the self-executing part of the 14th Amendment allows states to remove him from the ballot.
[02:57:26]  Where has Trump found guilty of insurrection?
[02:57:27]  You don't need a conviction for the 14th Amendment.
[02:57:30]  Alex, read it.
[02:57:31]  Can we bring the 14th Amendment up?
[02:57:34]  You're misrepresenting that, and it doesn't matter because we have a right to vote for who we want, right?
[02:57:40]  No, you don't.
[02:57:41]  You can't vote for somebody under 35 years old.
[02:57:43]  You can't vote for somebody that's not a U.S. citizen.
[02:57:46]  Chime in, Glenn.
[02:57:47]  But he's unpopular, though.
[02:57:48]  He lost.
[02:57:49]  But we can't vote for him now.
[02:57:50]  If you think it's so bad that courts are kicking him off the ballot, what do you think about Trump doing the birtherism card for Obama for how many years?
[02:57:56]  Uh-oh.
[02:57:57]  That was the first big political thing he was known for.
[02:57:58]  It was challenging whether Obama was even born in the United States in an attempt to get him kicked off the ballot.
[02:58:02]  No, no.
[02:58:02]  You know why?
[02:58:03]  Yes.
[02:58:03]  I can play the clips of Obama's.
[02:58:05]  And now you're going to justify that.
[02:58:07]  You're going to read my mind?
[02:58:08]  Well, it's pretty obvious.
[02:58:10]  Yeah, yeah, obviously.
[02:58:11]  And that's kind of a problem for Alex's argument.
[02:58:13]  Yeah.
[02:58:15]  Some good yelling.
[02:58:16]  Some good back and forth.
[02:58:18]  I feel like this is the wrong spot for them to be yelling about.
[02:58:23]  Here's what the moderator should be doing.
[02:58:27]  Not focusing on trying to make the debate make sense or anything like that.
[02:58:30]  Well, he's not.
[02:58:31]  Right.
[02:58:32]  And not doing what he's doing, period.
[02:58:34]  True.
[02:58:35]  But he should be focusing on getting them to fight about the right stuff.
[02:58:39]  Yes.
[02:58:39]  You know, like...
[02:58:40]  Don't fight about stuff where you guys are going to get into all the weeds and all that stuff.
[02:58:44]  No, no, no.
[02:58:44]  Get into the big emotional, bah, bah, bah, fight, kill!
[02:58:48]  You know, like, that's what you should be doing.
[02:58:49]  Do you get messages from God?
[02:58:51]  Totally!
[02:58:52]  100%.
[02:58:52]  Absolutely.
[02:58:54]  Focus.
[02:58:55]  Let's go.
[02:58:55]  Lightning round.
[02:58:56]  So, Glenn is being asked a question there, and I'm going to go ahead and skip some of this stuff for a time constraint.
[02:59:03]  Sure.
[02:59:03]  But he's basically on a mission to be like, hey, January 6th, maybe a riot.
[02:59:10]  But guess what?
[02:59:11]  More of an insurrection was Black Lives Matter protests in 2020.
[02:59:14]  That's almost his entire shtick.
[02:59:17]  It seems like he's gotten that pretty well on the board.
[02:59:20]  So I wanted to skip here.
[02:59:22]  Here's where I'm going to jump back in.
[02:59:23]  And it's Darren Beattie asking a question and Destiny having a pretty solid answer.
[02:59:28]  And the reason I think this is great is it gets back to the 14th Amendment stuff that they were just arguing about.
[02:59:34]  It cuts out, get rid of Glenn's dumb stuff.
[02:59:37]  Good call.
[02:59:38]  Gets back in on the 14th Amendment, and it's actually, like, coherent.
[02:59:43]  Okay.
[02:59:44]  For a minute.
[02:59:45]  All right.
[02:59:45]  For a minute.
[02:59:46]  I'm listening.
[02:59:46]  It doesn't stay coherent.
[02:59:47]  All right.
[02:59:48]  Let's assume that it doesn't require a conviction.
[02:59:51]  In your view, who is most appropriate to make that determination?
[02:59:57]  Supreme Court.
[02:59:59]  Well, the answer, the real answer is it's hard to tell.
[03:00:02]  Personally, I don't like the way the 14th Amendment Section 3 is written.
[03:00:05]  I've got a lot of friends who will hate me for saying that.
[03:00:07]  And I think that the Supreme Court probably will rule against it.
[03:00:10]  Because the problem with the 14th Amendment is the self-executing part of it means basically anybody involved in that balloting process of putting him on the ballot could make that determination.
[03:00:17]  So you basically agree it has to go up to the Supreme Court and be decided before he can be justly removed from the ballot.
[03:00:24]  Let me say this.
[03:00:25]  Declaration of Independence, and you want to talk about insurrection.
[03:00:28]  I want to fix this peacefully.
[03:00:30]  So let's start with the Declaration of Independence.
[03:00:34]  ...to abolish a government when the majority of us agree we're done with it.
[03:00:38]  So...
[03:00:38]  And you got all these movies about Civil War and the Democrats are putting out and Obama's putting out.
[03:00:42]  You guys better hope that doesn't happen.
[03:00:44]  We're trying to fix this peacefully.
[03:00:45]  But this is a load of crap.
[03:00:46]  To claim that Republicans and conservatives are this super viral, evil, white supremacist terror group.
[03:00:52]  They're planning crap.
[03:00:53]  No one's buying that.
[03:00:55]  And conservatives and populists and America Firsters see how we're being set up.
[03:01:00]  You say set up, but Donald Trump is the one setting you up.
[03:01:02]  Well, this is my question.
[03:01:03]  Trump said be peaceful and go to the Capitol.
[03:01:05]  We're going to have a 10-day Senate investigation.
[03:01:07]  I was there.
[03:01:08]  Did Trump have his people?
[03:01:10]  There's a million hours of footage.
[03:01:12]  Trump had seven different states create seven false sets of electors that perjured themselves.
[03:01:18]  I know this.
[03:01:20]  And they shipped all of those to Congress.
[03:01:22]  When I try to have people that I know put clips of me saying don't go in the Capitol, they would take them down.
[03:01:27]  Or we show clips of people pulling off their Antifa gear, putting on Trump gear.
[03:01:32]  Where's the video footage of all the Antifa gear?
[03:01:34]  20,000 people have phones there.
[03:01:36]  We're not doing clips tonight.
[03:01:37]  Oh, everybody.
[03:01:37]  How many Antifa were arrested in charge?
[03:01:40]  Got you again.
[03:01:41]  How many Antifa?
[03:01:42]  If Antifa are there, why didn't Donald Trump?
[03:01:44]  That's where the glasses go.
[03:01:45]  Why didn't Trump?
[03:01:46]  I get the cigar.
[03:01:48]  So at the beginning of that clip, I think it's the first question and answer that's gone smoothly in this entire thing.
[03:01:53]  It did go smoothly.
[03:01:53]  So naturally, Alex has to butt in and change the subject to how he and his friends have a ton of guns and violence is an option.
[03:01:59]  Yes, that one.
[03:01:59]  So we should probably all just go along with their version of settling things peacefully.
[03:02:02]  It is how many...
[03:02:04]  Fast Destiny has worked historically.
[03:02:05]  It's the classic example of a man pointing a gun at your face and saying, I don't want any trouble.
[03:02:10]  It's like a very convincing act.
[03:02:11]  It's definitely not a robbery.
[03:02:13]  That is what the United States is based off of.
[03:02:16]  So I'm pretty convinced at this point that Alex is at least a little drunk and just salivating about the memes that would be able to be made off this.
[03:02:22]  Like one where glasses drop on his face.
[03:02:25]  Oh my god.
[03:02:26]  It's pretty sincere, productive debate stuff.
[03:02:29]  This is good.
[03:02:30]  There's a part of me.
[03:02:32]  That imagines a white supremacist fan of Alex listening to that stuff going like, wait, are we not?
[03:02:40]  He sounded very sincere.
[03:02:42]  He sounded very sincere.
[03:02:43]  Like, oh, we're not the people.
[03:02:45]  There's a part of me that wonders if there is a guy who's like, wait, like he's making a pipe bomb.
[03:02:51]  Like, wait, am I supposed to be doing this?
[03:02:53]  I'm going to guess not, although it is a funny image.
[03:02:55]  It is, yeah.
[03:02:58]  Destiny made a good point there.
[03:02:59]  Yeah.
[03:02:59]  And that is that you're saying you're being set up.
[03:03:02]  Yeah.
[03:03:02]  But it's Trump that said you are.
[03:03:03]  It's Trump who's doing it.
[03:03:03]  So that's the meaning of things.
[03:03:06]  So Alex tries to play a little defense on that.
[03:03:08]  Why didn't Trump call in the National Guard as soon as the ride started if Antifa was there?
[03:03:11]  He asked for 10,000 National Guard a month before.
[03:03:13]  No, he didn't.
[03:03:14]  Why didn't he call him in that night?
[03:03:17]  Why didn't he call him in?
[03:03:17]  Look, there's Antifa.
[03:03:18]  Call in the National Guard.
[03:03:19]  He would have ended it in 20 minutes.
[03:03:20]  So that's another myth that he had the National Guard on standby.
[03:03:24]  Kash Patel said that.
[03:03:25]  No, he asked for it.
[03:03:26]  Let me finish.
[03:03:27]  Kash Patel said that Trump asked for it.
[03:03:30]  That's the source of that.
[03:03:31]  Kash Patel and Donald Trump, after the fact, claimed that they had the National Guard on standby.
[03:03:38]  Neither of them testified to that under oath.
[03:03:40]  Do you know who did?
[03:03:41]  The Secretary of State, Chris...
[03:03:44]  Department of Defense.
[03:03:45]  Yeah, Secretary of Defense.
[03:03:47]  Christopher Miller testified under oath...
[03:03:50]  No, Trump didn't have it on standby.
[03:03:51]  He asked for it.
[03:03:52]  It was refused by Milley.
[03:03:53]  I can watch the post up.
[03:03:54]  He was refused.
[03:03:55]  No, Milley specifically said that's not true.
[03:03:58]  Oh, Milley?
[03:03:59]  Was that in between his phone calls?
[03:04:00]  And the Secretary of Defense.
[03:04:02]  I'm sorry?
[03:04:02]  Who he would have to call to call in the National Guard.
[03:04:06]  The Secretary of Defense specifically said under oath that Trump never did that.
[03:04:12]  Under oath?
[03:04:12]  Under oath, did Trump...
[03:04:14]  Ooh, where consequences exist!
[03:04:17]  So what, why do you think...
[03:04:19]  I thought this was January 6th.
[03:04:20]  No, no, stop, stop.
[03:04:21]  Another day, another day.
[03:04:23]  Under oath.
[03:04:23]  Alex, let me ask you a question.
[03:04:25]  You're criticizing me for quoting somebody under oath.
[03:04:28]  What is your source?
[03:04:30]  If I have, I'm quoting somebody that said something under the penalty of perjury.
[03:04:34]  Your source is...
[03:04:36]  You just know it?
[03:04:37]  That Donald Trump said it to the public?
[03:04:39]  I know.
[03:04:39]  We're live on air here, just like when this guy said...
[03:04:43]  Try and land this one.
[03:04:45]  Oh, you know, you're claiming this was done.
[03:04:47]  You don't have proof.
[03:04:48]  Those clips are all there.
[03:04:49]  Everyone's going to pull those up.
[03:04:50]  They're going to see them.
[03:04:51]  So there's clips of Donald Trump calling in the National Guard?
[03:04:54]  No, no.
[03:04:54]  I'm talking about the last point.
[03:04:54]  No, no.
[03:04:55]  You didn't answer my question.
[03:04:56]  No, no.
[03:04:56]  I remember the articles.
[03:04:57]  Did you just answer my question?
[03:04:57]  You're not listening.
[03:04:58]  You want my answer?
[03:04:59]  Yeah, I do.
[03:05:00]  When Trump got firebombed, the White House attacked the National Guard.
[03:05:05]  What are you people doing?
[03:05:07]  He then asked the head jurisdiction, it was actually General Flynn's brother, for 10,000 troops and was in the news.
[03:05:16]  I don't have a computer in front of me.
[03:05:17]  It was on January 6th.
[03:05:19]  He asked two weeks before.
[03:05:21]  It wasn't in the news.
[03:05:23]  Okay, boom, gotcha.
[03:05:24]  Everybody get it.
[03:05:28]  Yes, that way he gets points for that.
[03:05:30]  Sorry.
[03:05:31]  That's how it works.
[03:05:32]  They're gonna get you.
[03:05:34]  They're gonna get you.
[03:05:36]  Watch X tomorrow.
[03:05:38]  Listen to me carefully.
[03:05:39]  Watch X tomorrow.
[03:05:40]  Okay.
[03:05:40]  And it's going to be...
[03:05:42]  It'll have five million views, and it'll be you, and it'll be all the news articles where Milley says he'll resign if Trump's won National Guard, and then they did it again, and then General Flynn's brother...
[03:05:52]  That wasn't for January 5th.
[03:05:53]  That was the...
[03:05:53]  I know, I know, I know.
[03:05:54]  That's where it begins.
[03:05:56]  And he asked again, and they also...
[03:05:58]  Yeah, it's all there.
[03:05:59]  It's all there.
[03:06:00]  It's all there, man.
[03:06:01]  That show is so incoherent that I'm not even totally sure what Alex is claiming.
[03:06:04]  That makes things tough to fact check, but it seems like there's two essential claims that he's making through Tito's breath.
[03:06:10]  The first is that Mark Milley threatened to resign because Trump wanted to call him the National Guard, maybe in terms of January 6th, maybe not.
[03:06:17]  Who knows?
[03:06:17]  What Alex is referring to here is an unsent resignation letter that Milley revealed in his memoir that came out in August 2022.
[03:06:24]  So crazy.
[03:06:25]  He didn't threaten to quit.
[03:06:25]  The letter was never sent.

=== Charles' Rational Argument Questioned (08:24) ===

[03:06:27]  It has to do with when Trump used the National Guard to clear protesters out of Lafayette Square and then did that photo op where he held a Bible upside down.
[03:06:34]  That was pretty funny.
[03:06:34]  Milley was there and in his military uniform, and in hindsight, he realized that was a big mistake.
[03:06:39]  He wasn't mad at Trump for using the National Guard to clear the protesters.
[03:06:42]  It was that by his being there, he was closely associating the military with the whole thing.
[03:06:47]  He said at the time, quote, I should not have been there.
[03:06:50]  My presence in that moment, in that environment, created the perception of the military involved in domestic politics.
[03:06:56]  There's no evidence that he threatened to quit if Trump called in the National Guard for anything, nor that this would have been a factor in Trump's decisions around January 6th.
[03:07:03]  Sounds like bullshit that Alex is making, probably for fun storytelling.
[03:07:07]  Yeah.
[03:07:07]  The next claim that Alex makes is about Trump asking Mike Flynn's brother for 10,000 troops, which is actually less bad shit than it sounds.
[03:07:14]  At the time, Flynn's brother Charles was the deputy chief of staff for the Army, and though they initially denied it, the Army eventually did admit that Charles was on the call where the topic of deploying National Guard troops on January 6th happened.
[03:07:26]  This is not an instance of Trump asking for troops and not getting them.
[03:07:29]  Trump wasn't even on that call.
[03:07:31]  Nonsense.
[03:07:32]  Gotcha.
[03:07:32]  The only reality you can find is that Mark Meadows told some people that Trump wanted some National Guard presence at the Capitol, but it was for the protection of his supporters.
[03:07:40]  That was what he was on.
[03:07:41]  There have been a few, maybe even a lot of people, who have talked about how decisions made not to station troops at the Capitol included considerations of the optics and how Trump's people had been pushing for martial law and how having military there could feed into perceptions of that.
[03:07:56]  But there wasn't any evidence that Trump requested troops and didn't get them, except coming from Trump.
[03:08:01]  He's a fucking liar.
[03:08:02]  Yeah.
[03:08:02]  Colonel Earl Matthews, the top attorney for the head of the D.C. National Guard, has claimed that Charles Flynn and Walter Piot were instrumental in not having troops deployed after a request had been made by Capitol Police.
[03:08:13]  Flynn was pushing for the use of National Guard to relieve D.C. police from non-law enforcement roles so those police could then go to the Capitol.
[03:08:21]  The bottom line here is there's a lot of people who have a lot of responsibility for the failures to plan and respond appropriately to January 6th, but Trump is probably number one on that list.
[03:08:29]  Sure.
[03:08:29]  None of the stuff Alex is stammering his way through has any connection to reality, but probably does match up with some of the headlines from shithead blogs he skimmed, and now he's relying on people to make memes of to pretend everyone else is wrong.
[03:08:41]  Yeah.
[03:08:42]  And as a general rule, I'm gonna say this.
[03:08:44]  Yeah.
[03:08:44]  If you're in an argument with somebody, and you're asked for a source, and the best thing you can come up with is, Twitter will figure it out for me tomorrow, you're not doing well.
[03:08:52]  Probably not.
[03:08:53]  That's a bad look.
[03:08:54]  Probably on the losing side, at least for the time being.
[03:08:57]  Yeah.
[03:08:58]  Yep.
[03:08:59]  So Alex is really into this, though.
[03:09:01]  Sure.
[03:09:01]  He keeps saying that Twitter is going to get you.
[03:09:02]  Losing makes him feel good.
[03:09:05]  Losing makes him feel like a winner.
[03:09:07]  Losing makes me feel good.
[03:09:09]  Well, because consequences is virtue.
[03:09:12]  Yeah.
[03:09:13]  Maybe.
[03:09:13]  Well, at least when he's drunk.
[03:09:15]  Yeah, well, drunk is helpful.
[03:09:17]  Okay, but you're making the claim that Trump had...
[03:09:21]  No, you say show it.
[03:09:22]  I'm here.
[03:09:23]  I'm here.
[03:09:24]  Why did Trump care if Millie would resign if they're all the deep state?
[03:09:27]  If they're all part of the swamp, why wouldn't he just do it anyway if that's what's right?
[03:09:30]  Trump is the ultimate authority.
[03:09:31]  You're not going to answer that question either.
[03:09:34]  You got it.
[03:09:36]  All right, Destry, you figured it out.
[03:09:37]  They're all going to get it.
[03:09:38]  He's drunk.
[03:09:39]  And that's the whole...
[03:09:40]  And they're all going to show it.
[03:09:42]  And then we'll see.
[03:09:43]  Yeah, this is making me think about media manipulation in general.
[03:09:46]  Oh, really?
[03:09:47]  And how sometimes you see things, sometimes you don't.
[03:09:49]  Sometimes things are real, sometimes they're not.
[03:09:51]  And that leads me to my next question.
[03:09:52]  General for everybody.
[03:09:53]  And by the way, all six of you are doing phenomenally, especially you, Glenn.
[03:09:56]  Phenomenally.
[03:09:56]  Killing it from Brazil, my man.
[03:09:58]  Brazil in it!
[03:09:59]  This election was stolen.
[03:10:02]  100%.
[03:10:03]  Absolutely not.
[03:10:04]  What did you think he was going to say?
[03:10:05]  There's my right to say that.
[03:10:06]  What did you think he was going to say?
[03:10:08]  Great moderation.
[03:10:09]  What are we doing?
[03:10:10]  It's good.
[03:10:10]  It's good.
[03:10:12]  So, Alex is, yeah, I think he's drunk.
[03:10:15]  Obsessing about what Twitter's gonna do tomorrow.
[03:10:17]  I love it.
[03:10:18]  Now that he's back on Twitter, he's just loving it.
[03:10:21]  I'm having a great time.
[03:10:22]  I cannot believe that you can notice Alex is drunk and then be like, there's still another hour and a half that I'm gonna stay for?
[03:10:30]  That's out of control.
[03:10:31]  I'll just go.
[03:10:32]  Unless you're, like, somebody who's like, I'm never gonna...
[03:10:35]  Be allowed in this situation again.
[03:10:37]  This is pretty fucked up for the story.
[03:10:39]  I might as well.
[03:10:40]  Or something.
[03:10:41]  I don't know.
[03:10:42]  That's the most generous interpretation I can come up with.
[03:10:44]  So Destiny tries to be like, hey, why did everyone who Trump had to investigate the voter fraud stuff say that it wasn't real?
[03:10:53]  He directed them to investigate it so he would be in charge.
[03:10:56]  Yeah, and then they found that it wasn't true.
[03:10:58]  So that's like him finding it wasn't true.
[03:11:00]  And then Alex does the unthinkable.
[03:11:02]  What's that?
[03:11:02]  Well, he...
[03:11:05]  Compliance.
[03:11:06]  Why is it, if the election was being stolen, why did every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate Come back and say there was no evidence of this.
[03:11:13]  It wasn't every single whole bunch of his lawyers.
[03:11:15]  It was not a whole bunch of his lawyers.
[03:11:17]  Most of his legal counsel said that the few that he ended up going with were crazy.
[03:11:21]  You just went in two seconds from everyone to most.
[03:11:24]  I said everyone that you trusted.
[03:11:26]  Everyone to most!
[03:11:28]  I said everything that every single person that Donald Trump trusted to investigate, meaning the Vice President, the Department of Justice, the Cybersecurity Division of the Department of Homeland Security, all of his White House counsel.
[03:11:41]  Yeah, I know.
[03:11:41]  I know how it works.
[03:11:42]  I know.
[03:11:42]  You're farming TikTok clips, okay?
[03:11:43]  That's what we're doing right now.
[03:11:44]  But the reality is almost every single person that he asked to investigate...
[03:11:49]  Wait, wait, wait.
[03:11:49]  Two minutes ago he said all of them, now it's almost.
[03:11:52]  He didn't ask Sidney Powell to go and investigate.
[03:11:54]  She brought cockamamie schemes to him and he said, oh, maybe these are okay.
[03:11:57]  Which, by the way, he also said she was crazy.
[03:12:00]  You just said all wouldn't say there was fraud.
[03:12:03]  I said all, get the full quote, kind of like you're missing the rest of the 14th Amendment there.
[03:12:07]  Get everything I'm saying.
[03:12:08]  I know that it hurts.
[03:12:08]  I know the context hurts people like you.
[03:12:10]  You live and you breathe.
[03:12:12]  Ten second clips.
[03:12:13]  Anything longer than that destroys everything you're trying to claim.
[03:12:15]  No, no, no.
[03:12:16]  They got you again.
[03:12:17]  You just said all his lawyers told him he lost.
[03:12:20]  It all makes sense now.
[03:12:21]  And we're going to show you the majority saying he won.
[03:12:24]  Gotcha!
[03:12:25]  Alex, tell specifically who...
[03:12:27]  We're halfway through, right?
[03:12:31]  Eastman, Powell, and Julianne.
[03:12:32]  And who is on his team planning widespread election fraud?
[03:12:36]  Look, we're lying on air.
[03:12:38]  I know we're lying on air.
[03:12:39]  All these four convicted and pleaded guilty.
[03:12:43]  Let's ask, I want to ask Glenn, what do you think, man?
[03:12:46]  Glenn, do you think that this thing was stolen?
[03:12:48]  Yeah, let's get Glenn's take.
[03:12:50]  So Alex is definitely, he wasn't peeing.
[03:12:52]  No.
[03:12:53]  I think it's fair to say.
[03:12:54]  Nope.
[03:12:54]  So this is a fascinating clip because Destiny is entirely correct.
[03:12:57]  It even calls out the game that Alex is playing with farming TikTok clips, but there's a layer missing.
[03:13:02]  Alex is just doing the blowhard part and relying on other people to come up with justifications for the claims he's making.
[03:13:08]  Alex can't back any of this shit up, and he doesn't know any of these lawyers' names or any of this stuff.
[03:13:13]  His role is just to be an antagonist yelling a bunch of shit that somebody else can edit together with some B-roll of, like, Breitbart and Substack headlines.
[03:13:21]  And it doesn't really matter that Destiny's calling out the game.
[03:13:23]  The moderator has no interest in defending the dignity of this debate, and the strategy that Alex is using is going to be effective for his ultimate goal in doing this, which is to maximize the attention he accrues from it.
[03:13:33]  Engaging in this conversation sincerely and debating the points would work in direct opposition to what Alex's goal I find this fascinating, and it's really why I would have advised Destiny and even Bed to not accept this invitation.
[03:13:49]  No matter what you do, you're being used for attention farming.
[03:13:52]  You can tell yourself that you're there to reach out to the reachable elements in Alex's audience all you want, but that doesn't exist.
[03:13:58]  You're never going to convince someone who lives in non-reality to accept reality through rational argument, and you're never going to be allowed to have a rational argument when coked-out, drunk-ass Alex is in the room.
[03:14:08]  By accepting this invitation, all you've really achieved is that you get to be used as a prop so Alex and Zilk can pretend that they're not in a bubble, and you score a bigger victory by just not being involved.
[03:14:20]  Saying no is the right answer.
[03:14:22]  Also, it's fascinating how much of a stickler Alex is for accuracy and language all of a sudden.
[03:14:26]  God forbid he be held to that standard, or else you might end up doing a thousand episodes of a podcast about how full of shit he is.
[03:14:31]  Could be.
[03:14:32]  Could be possible.
[03:14:33]  Yeah, that condescension is, you know, it's only matched by a couple of things we heard earlier.

=== Election Frauds and Meme Tactics (11:03) ===

[03:14:40]  What this has inadvertently done is make it clear to me why Alex still has friends outside in the real world is because...
[03:14:50]  It makes sense.
[03:14:52]  You can't get a nine-year-old drunk.
[03:14:54]  It's against the law.
[03:14:56]  But if you've ever seen a drunk nine-year-old, they're pretty funny.
[03:14:59]  They're pretty funny.
[03:15:01]  I would imagine.
[03:15:02]  So, imagine you've got a drunk nine-year-old, but it's legal to keep drinking.
[03:15:07]  There you go.
[03:15:08]  See, the problem that I have, in theory, is a nine-year-old sober lacks impulse control.
[03:15:14]  Sure.
[03:15:15]  A nine-year-old drunk, probably terrible impulse control.
[03:15:17]  The worst impulse control.
[03:15:18]  Now, if that nine-year-old is actually a 50-year-old, very, very thick-necked, violent person, the impulse control deficiencies there are going to be, I don't want to be around it.
[03:15:27]  Ah, that's why you always got to point him away from you.
[03:15:30]  Always point him in the other direction, and he'll just keep walking forward.
[03:15:33]  Just have, like, little flashbangs you can throw to distract him if needed.
[03:15:38]  Put little blinders on him, yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes perfect sense.
[03:15:40]  An Alex Cone.
[03:15:43]  I would be there.
[03:15:44]  Destiny asks a really good question here in this next clip, and it's something that there is no real answer for, and Alex values himself.
[03:15:51]  Okay.
[03:15:51]  Do you think that Donald Trump asking Jeffrey Clark to go and threaten the DOJ that if they don't sign on to a false letter trying to bully states into claiming there was mass election fraud by claiming the DOJ had actually found someone they had it?
[03:16:03]  That was testified to under oath.
[03:16:05]  Oh, God, under oath.
[03:16:06]  Do you think that would be considered an act of corruption?
[03:16:09]  The whole point is, if Trump legitimately believed that the election was stolen, as Democrats believed in 2000, 2004, 2016...
[03:16:17]  No, that's not right.
[03:16:17]  It's not answering the question.
[03:16:19]  Then I'm answering the question.
[03:16:21]  No, I'm answering the question.
[03:16:23]  If Trump believed genuinely that the election was stolen, then all of those steps that he undertook to try and present to Congress the way to alleviate the stolen election, to have courts reverse the stolen election, to have Mike Pence exercise what he thought was his constitutional authority, might have been wrongful, but they weren't illegal, and they most definitely weren't a coup.
[03:16:41]  If he thought that the election was stolen, he was allowed to tell the DOJ that they needed to sign on to a false letter claiming they'd found election fraud.
[03:16:49]  Otherwise, he would replace Rosen with Clark.
[03:16:51]  That was something he was allowed to do.
[03:16:52]  False letter.
[03:16:53]  All this stuff's crap.
[03:16:54]  The DOJ hadn't found anything.
[03:16:55]  So the DOJ attesting that they had found something would indeed be false.
[03:16:59]  That's right.
[03:16:59]  I know.
[03:17:00]  In this world, we need evidence, Alex.
[03:17:01]  I'm sorry.
[03:17:01]  Oh, evidence.
[03:17:02]  I know.
[03:17:03]  It's evidence from evidence, yeah.
[03:17:05]  Did two men have a baby?
[03:17:08]  Isn't there a sitcom called Two Men and a Baby?
[03:17:10]  Yeah.
[03:17:10]  It's a movie.
[03:17:11]  Three men and it was a great movie.
[03:17:12]  Oh, shit.
[03:17:12]  I'm sorry.
[03:17:12]  My bad.
[03:17:13]  Yeah, Ian got your back.
[03:17:15]  I can't.
[03:17:17]  You know what?
[03:17:18]  That makes perfect sense that Ian is a person who thinks that Three Men and a Baby is a great movie.
[03:17:24]  So, Destiny's point here is really good because, in essence, that action that he's describing, telling the DOJ to sign off on this stuff, is not something that is defensible by your actual belief that there's election fraud.
[03:17:39]  You are asking them to commit fraud in service of pretending there was fraud.
[03:17:46]  And so Glenn's answer doesn't really answer.
[03:17:48]  No, no, no.
[03:17:49]  Because if you were to answer that, you'd be like, fraud's cool.
[03:17:51]  And then people go, fraud's not cool.
[03:17:53]  But sometimes it is.
[03:17:55]  Yeah.
[03:17:55]  I guess.
[03:17:57]  So in this next clip, somehow we get off into the election.
[03:18:01]  The 2020 election.
[03:18:03]  Right.
[03:18:03]  And the votes.
[03:18:05]  Right.
[03:18:05]  And what have you.
[03:18:06]  Things are off the rails.
[03:18:07]  Reminder.
[03:18:08]  This is about January 6th.
[03:18:09]  And whether or not it was a false flag.
[03:18:11]  Right.
[03:18:12]  So.
[03:18:12]  Ed or Bed?
[03:18:14]  Bed.
[03:18:14]  Whichever one it is.
[03:18:15]  Bed and Steen.
[03:18:16]  He tries to explain to Alex why Biden's vote totals went up late.
[03:18:20]  Because that's a big part of Alex's conspiracy.
[03:18:22]  You know, they dropped off all these fake ballots and stuff.
[03:18:24]  I gotcha.
[03:18:25]  And so he tries to explain this to Alex very simply.
[03:18:27]  Oh boy, I would have like...
[03:18:30]  Tackled him to try and keep him from explaining any of that to Alex.
[03:18:34]  Here we go.
[03:18:34]  I mean, it's a decent explanation that he gives.
[03:18:37]  Oh, no.
[03:18:37]  I agree.
[03:18:37]  I'm sure it's great.
[03:18:39]  I'm still tackling you because this is the wrong move, man.
[03:18:42]  Yeah.
[03:18:43]  You pointed out, oh, the votes, they went up way at night.
[03:18:48]  They went up way high.
[03:18:50]  Trump was winning, and all of a sudden, Biden pulled ahead at like 1 a.m.
[03:18:55]  Remirage.
[03:18:56]  Yeah.
[03:18:56]  But do you understand that the media...
[03:19:00]  Basically told the American public that this is what happens basically every election.
[03:19:05]  Yeah, they pre-programmed it at Red Mirage.
[03:19:06]  Do you understand?
[03:19:08]  No, it doesn't happen every election.
[03:19:09]  Do you understand what actually, why that happened?
[03:19:11]  No, I'm not smart enough to understand.
[03:19:13]  The trucks, when they shut down the polling places and the trucks pulled in and they blocked the windows out and ran the same ballots over and over again.
[03:19:20]  Let me explain it to you.
[03:19:22]  Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, for months before the election, he kept saying mail-in ballots.
[03:19:29]  Are rigged.
[03:19:30]  Don't vote by mail.
[03:19:32]  So, do you think that Republicans are going to vote by mail if Trump says not to?
[03:19:38]  So, Republicans...
[03:19:39]  But that's chicken in the egg.
[03:19:40]  Let me finish.
[03:19:41]  No, let me finish, and then you can.
[03:19:44]  Republicans didn't vote by mail because Trump said, I don't...
[03:19:47]  It's not safe.
[03:19:49]  Democrats voted by mail.
[03:19:51]  Mail-in votes were counted at the tail end of the vote count, as they always are.
[03:19:58]  So what happens?
[03:19:59]  So Trump pulls ahead early in the night, just like everybody said was going to happen if you were paying attention.
[03:20:05]  They start counting the mail-in votes.
[03:20:07]  Biden's moving up.
[03:20:09]  They start counting more mail-in votes in these states that are in the big cities, which are primarily Democrats.
[03:20:15]  I want to pause right here and say, hey, Darren, Beattie, why aren't you saying this is off-topic?
[03:20:20]  Nah.
[03:20:20]  What happened?
[03:20:21]  Nah.
[03:20:22]  What happens?
[03:20:23]  Biden pulls way ahead in the big cities.
[03:20:25]  Just like everybody that was paying attention.
[03:20:28]  Can I talk now?
[03:20:30]  That's why they had to all over the...
[03:20:32]  Block the windows out.
[03:20:34]  Kick everybody out.
[03:20:36]  Let me talk.
[03:20:38]  And then magically...
[03:20:38]  Was he talking to me?
[03:20:42]  You're right.
[03:20:44]  Let's stop.
[03:20:45]  You're right.
[03:20:46]  No, no.
[03:20:46]  I agree with you.
[03:20:48]  Trump actually lost.
[03:20:50]  So why are you so scared to let him run again?
[03:20:53]  I'm not scared to let him run again.
[03:20:54]  So you support him being on the ballot?
[03:20:56]  I support whatever the Supreme Court says because I think they should define what his direction is.
[03:21:01]  That's stupid.
[03:21:01]  That's dumb.
[03:21:02]  You're dumb now.
[03:21:03]  Everything you've said is stupid now.
[03:21:05]  You idiot.
[03:21:05]  Let's go back to the pulling out votes or tabulating votes multiple times.
[03:21:10]  Fucking stupid.
[03:21:10]  God damn it.
[03:21:10]  Did you actually watch more than the 14 second clip that Giuliani put out there where they...
[03:21:18]  Purportedly pulled out ballots from under the table.
[03:21:20]  Let me ask you a question.
[03:21:21]  No, no, no.
[03:21:21]  Why in Michigan and Georgia did they block the windows?
[03:21:24]  No, no, no.
[03:21:27]  I don't know why.
[03:21:28]  Ask them.
[03:21:29]  Why did they say a water main broke and later admitted it didn't?
[03:21:32]  These all went to court.
[03:21:33]  All these were...
[03:21:34]  Let me stop you.
[03:21:36]  Let me stop you.
[03:21:37]  You guys, hold on.
[03:21:37]  Stop.
[03:21:38]  Can I say one thing?
[03:21:40]  I'll give you the floor.
[03:21:41]  I'll give you the floor.
[03:21:42]  Let me say one thing.
[03:21:42]  Go ahead.
[03:21:43]  Go ahead.
[03:21:46]  I was found guilty by two judges in Texas and Connecticut.
[03:21:49]  They had a jury trial on how much damage is.
[03:21:51]  I swear to God.
[03:21:54]  Give me a fucking crossbow.
[03:21:56]  Give me a fucking crossbow right goddamn now.
[03:21:59]  If that is what you have to say to me, sir.
[03:22:02]  I mean.
[03:22:03]  Wow.
[03:22:04]  Dude's fucked up.
[03:22:05]  Wow.
[03:22:05]  Yeah.
[03:22:06]  Listen.
[03:22:07]  Listen.
[03:22:08]  I got one thing.
[03:22:08]  Can I say one thing?
[03:22:09]  Can I say one thing?
[03:22:09]  I got one thing to say to you.
[03:22:11]  Ian, make these people shut up.
[03:22:13]  I'm having a rough day.
[03:22:16]  I was a guilty bad judge.
[03:22:18]  Oh my god.
[03:22:19]  I can't believe...
[03:22:20]  Pretty great.
[03:22:21]  I can't believe everyone did not suddenly have a moment of self-reflection and then change everything about their lives.
[03:22:28]  I mean, I don't know about the second part.
[03:22:29]  They might have had a moment of clarity.
[03:22:31]  I think...
[03:22:33]  That this is not going anywhere.
[03:22:35]  That should have been the end.
[03:22:37]  Yeah, probably.
[03:22:38]  Yeah.
[03:22:38]  Probably.
[03:22:39]  Probably.
[03:22:40]  So...
[03:22:40]  It continues.
[03:22:41]  Yeah.
[03:22:43]  There's some talk of that, you know, these electoral abnormalities that are all bullshit that Alex...
[03:22:49]  These meme talking points that he has.
[03:22:51]  Sure, sure.
[03:22:51]  And somehow COVID comes up.
[03:22:53]  What?
[03:22:54]  No!
[03:22:55]  Quite off track.
[03:22:55]  Stay on the topic or something!
[03:22:57]  There is no topic.
[03:22:58]  Or pick a better topic.
[03:23:00]  That could have been done.
[03:23:01]  Trump doesn't get a jury trial in New York.
[03:23:03]  So you're pointing to the judiciary and the corrupt lawyers that have run this country down the ground.
[03:23:09]  So who are you pointing to?
[03:23:11]  Wasn't that because his lawyer didn't check the jury trial?
[03:23:13]  Here's the thing.
[03:23:14]  Let me say this right now.
[03:23:15]  January 6th, what an insurrection.
[03:23:18]  Also, the videos that you're referring to, the running the votes multiple times.
[03:23:22]  And we're not going to give the Democrats the violence.
[03:23:23]  And we're not going to give the Democrats the violence they won in 2024.
[03:23:27]  But let me tell you, you guys keep looking for one.
[03:23:30]  Once you guys start the fight and launch martial law, you're going to actually get the real thing, and then you'll know what it is.
[03:23:36]  Alex, how long have you been calling for martial law?
[03:23:39]  How many decades now?
[03:23:40]  Also, all the examples you're bringing up have literally been...
[03:23:42]  COVID lockdowns were martial law.
[03:23:43]  Hey!
[03:23:44]  Guys, we shut their ass down!
[03:23:46]  No, you didn't shut down anything.
[03:23:47]  We beat their fucking ass!
[03:23:48]  Biden won the election and it stopped.
[03:23:52]  Biden won the election and it stopped, so you shut them down?
[03:23:55]  Are you part of Biden now?
[03:23:57]  Let me ask you a question.
[03:24:00]  No, why are we getting pulled off the Georgia stuff?
[03:24:01]  Why are we getting pulled off the Georgia stuff?
[03:24:03]  Is Rachel Maddow right?
[03:24:04]  Why are we talking about COVID right now?
[03:24:05]  No, he brought it up.
[03:24:06]  If Biden, is Biden right, then you take the shot, you're protected.
[03:24:09]  Is that true?
[03:24:10]  I think what Biden did, I think what Biden did was, here's what Biden did for the shot, okay?
[03:24:14]  What happened was, Raffensperger and everybody in Georgia looked over all the tapes that you're claiming about, but the ballots being ran three times, not only was that information false, Trump was told that it was false, Trump knew that it was false, Trump repeated it over and over again, including in a call to Raffensperger, and finally Giuliani has come out saying that it was false, but it was his First Amendment right to lie about it, when Ruby Freeman took him to court for defamation, because he lied about it, something you clearly see on video evidence.
[03:24:37]  Okay, well this is a question, Darren, firstly, do you think, Yeah, let's get off that topic.
[03:24:42]  But also, is it protected speech to question an election and claim that it was stolen?
[03:24:48]  Cool, man.
[03:24:49]  Cool, cool.
[03:24:50]  So, I think that that was...
[03:24:52]  An incredibly smooth move that Destiny pulled there.
[03:24:54]  He was pretending that he was going to...
[03:24:57]  This is what Biden was doing with the vaccine.
[03:24:59]  And then just went to his point about Georgia.
[03:25:01]  Like, that's an ankle-breaking crossover.
[03:25:04]  And you can kind of tell that Alex has no idea what he's saying.
[03:25:07]  Couldn't follow the train of thought.
[03:25:09]  Didn't realize.
[03:25:10]  And that's great, because that shuts him up.
[03:25:11]  He had no idea.
[03:25:13]  It blew all their minds.
[03:25:14]  How did he do that?
[03:25:15]  Was that some sort of judo?
[03:25:17]  Apparently.
[03:25:17]  Jesus Christ.
[03:25:19]  Remarkable move.
[03:25:21]  Pretending you're going to talk about something and then getting back on topic.

=== Starting to See Shape (02:26) ===

[03:25:25]  Aha!
[03:25:26]  What's this called?
[03:25:27]  A juke!
[03:25:28]  Interesting!
[03:25:29]  So now we...
[03:25:30]  Okay, I'm going to be honest.
[03:25:31]  This is where our cliffhanger comes.
[03:25:33]  Yeah.
[03:25:33]  We're going to come back and finish this up.
[03:25:36]  It's one last juke.
[03:25:37]  Yes.
[03:25:38]  This is me for the crossover.
[03:25:40]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[03:25:41]  But I think that this is a good place for a crossover cliffhanger.
[03:25:45]  And the reason is we're starting to see...
[03:25:49]  Some of this shit taken some kind of shape.
[03:25:52]  Sure.
[03:25:52]  There's been a lot of nonsense and a lot of, I mean, obviously, as you pointed out, like, what is the topic?
[03:25:58]  Yeah.
[03:25:58]  You know, we're not on topic.
[03:25:59]  This is absurd.
[03:26:00]  Everything is a complete mess.
[03:26:01]  But now, the stew has started to cook.
[03:26:04]  Yeah.
[03:26:05]  Because Alex is drunk.
[03:26:06]  That is important.
[03:26:07]  He's becoming increasingly hostile.
[03:26:09]  He's essentially threatening murder multiple times.
[03:26:12]  If you guys don't act right, we'll all kill you.
[03:26:15]  Who knows how this is going to unravel for him.
[03:26:18]  And simultaneously, like...
[03:26:20]  You know, I think that Bed has been fairly consistent throughout.
[03:26:24]  Sure.
[03:26:25]  But, on the other hand, Destiny is clearly opening up a little bit.
[03:26:29]  Ready for this shit to be dead.
[03:26:30]  You're starting to see him laughing at Alex, treating him with disrespect, and just sort of like, oh, of course you think that.
[03:26:36]  This is where we are, yeah.
[03:26:37]  Right.
[03:26:38]  So these trends are starting.
[03:26:42]  And yeah, we'll see how it culminates.
[03:26:45]  Yeah, we'll see.
[03:26:45]  Absolutely.
[03:26:46]  I don't know.
[03:26:46]  I'm not good at teasing.
[03:26:48]  You're doing great.
[03:26:49]  Now this is the part that you're describing.
[03:26:51]  You did great.
[03:26:53]  The part where you go, I'm not that good at this.
[03:26:55]  That's the part that you're describing by saying I'm not that good at this.
[03:26:59]  If you didn't say that, then you would be great at it.
[03:27:01]  I don't agree.
[03:27:02]  That's the part.
[03:27:03]  I think the tease was bad.
[03:27:04]  I think it was clunky.
[03:27:07]  I was trying to explain, you know, like...
[03:27:09]  No, I know.
[03:27:10]  These are the intriguing elements of why we're dropping it here and picking it back up next time.
[03:27:14]  Right.
[03:27:14]  But I feel like it fell flat.
[03:27:16]  I think you got it.
[03:27:17]  Okay.
[03:27:17]  All right.
[03:27:18]  Fine.
[03:27:18]  Here we go.
[03:27:19]  Anyway, we'll be back with the culmination of bullshit.
[03:27:23]  Indeed.
[03:27:24]  But until then, we have a website.
[03:27:25]  Indeed we do.
[03:27:26]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[03:27:27]  Yep.
[03:27:28]  We're also on Blue Sky.
[03:27:29]  We are on Blue Sky.
[03:27:30]  It's knowledge underscore fight Twitter.
[03:27:32]  No, I think it's just knowledge fight.
[03:27:33]  Maybe.
[03:27:34]  I could probably find out.
[03:27:36]  However you do, Blue Sky, we're there.

=== Woo Woo Woo! (00:29) ===

[03:27:37]  Oh, man, I should probably know these things.
[03:27:41]  Let's see.
[03:27:41]  Profile.
[03:27:43]  Yeah, no underscore.
[03:27:44]  Okay, knowledge fight.
[03:27:45]  Blue Sky.
[03:27:46]  Done.
[03:27:47]  Cool.
[03:27:48]  Yeah.
[03:27:48]  Anyway, we'll be back.
[03:27:49]  But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZXClark.
[03:27:52]  Oh, Twitter's gonna get ya.
[03:27:55]  Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
[03:27:58]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[03:28:00]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[03:28:01]  Thanks for holding.
[03:28:04]  Hello, Alex.
[03:28:05]  I'm a first-time caller.
[03:28:06]  I'm a huge fan.
[03:28:06]  I love your work.