#869: November 8, 2023
In this installment, Dan and Jordan witness Alex interview a guy with a viral video and a woman who denies viruses, and come to terms with the reality that the chicken fried steak is the new hot tub.
Nov. 10, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot, I guess, is I've been seeing some movie trailers. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Because I'm not one of these fancy people who pays for YouTube premium. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| You are not one of those people. | ||
| I got the commercials. | ||
| I have to sit through them most of the time. | ||
| You must. | ||
| Unless I can skip them. | ||
| And I've seen some movie trailers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I have some thoughts. | ||
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All right. | |
| So there's a new Ghostbusters coming out. | ||
| Did not know that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay, is it set in like 1830s London and they're fighting the ghost of Jack the Ripper? | ||
| It has something to do with ice. | ||
| Well, that's close. | ||
| There's cold something in it. | ||
| People are freezing. | ||
| People are cold. | ||
| I found the trailer to be sort of shocking in some ways. | ||
| It implies a lot of death. | ||
| Ghostbusters, the day after tomorrow. | ||
| It feels that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you got Kamail Nanjiani up in there. | ||
| You got Patton Oswalt. | ||
| You got Paul Rudd. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Kamail's still ripped? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Was he like, finally, that can be done with all of this shit? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| From interviews I've heard with him, that was not a super pleasant aspect of The Eternals. | ||
| Much like the reviews of The Eternals. | ||
| Also not super pleasant. | ||
| But yeah, it looks fine. | ||
| I don't know if I'll see it, but it looks fine. | ||
| It just brought me back to, I saw the one with Kristen Wiig. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I got so emotional when the theme song hit at the beginning. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, I was just like, I did not expect that. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Did you have a huge attachment to Ghostbusters? | ||
| I didn't think I did, but I must have. | ||
| I knew I liked them as a kid, and I had the toys, like the proton pack and what have you. | ||
| But yeah, I didn't realize that it was really going to hit me as hard as it did. | ||
| And so I was waiting for it in this trailer, and I don't remember it coming. | ||
| They couldn't secure the rights to the song. | ||
| Or they want to leave it for when it has the most emotional impact. | ||
| And I support that. | ||
| But the real bright spot is the trailer of... | ||
| I didn't know this movie existed. | ||
| It looks amazing. | ||
| Dream scenario? | ||
| Never heard of it. | ||
| So it's Nicolas Cage. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| And he looks a little older. | ||
| He's playing an old, old, nondescript-y kind of guy. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Someone's dad, someone's uncle. | ||
| That kind of vibe. | ||
| And I guess, from what I'm able to make out from the trailer, he is somebody who keeps showing up in people's dreams, and so he becomes a celebrity for being in people's dreams. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| And it looks insane. | ||
| That does sound insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So now, because you've got Nicolas Cage being able to play this character who's dealing with the fact that he's in people's dreams and now he's famous because of it, and then also being crazy in people's dreams. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just, it's all the things you would want. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And he can be as nuts as you want in those dreams, and it doesn't impact the narrative of it, because it's a fucking dream. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| They don't have to abide by if you die in the dream, you die in real life rules. | ||
| And they don't have to abide by, like... | ||
| Nicholas is out of pocket. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Oh, it's a dream. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He won't stop doing that weird voice. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| It would be so great if there was just one dream where he predicts 9-11. | ||
| And it's like, oh, all right. | ||
| I know you guys are watching. | ||
| One dream where he's Superman. | ||
| Make up for him not being Superman. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, so I want to see that. | ||
| I haven't seen a movie in theaters in a really long time. | ||
| Yeah, it's been pre-pandemic for me. | ||
| I think I might be more recent than you then. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
| Yeah, it was one of the Fast movies, but it wasn't the last one. | ||
| So it might have been Fast 9? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think, maybe? | ||
| I felt like I had to see it in a theater. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that was post-pandemic, so I think I'm more recent than you. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| But yeah, that looked like something that I was like, alright, I'll get my ass out of my seat and go watch that. | ||
| Yeah, I think... | ||
| No, the last movie, I swear, I think the last movie I saw in theaters was The Rise of Skywalker. | ||
| And it leaves a sour taste in your mouth. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Much like the reviews to Eternals. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is yesterday morning, I went and I got my... | ||
| Car serviced. | ||
| You know, did the oil change, did the whole thing. | ||
| I'm at the dealership just waiting there. | ||
| Just waiting for everything to be done, and then I walk by in the waiting room, and there's Mike fucking Wiley there. | ||
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Hey! | |
| At the same time! | ||
| Out of nowhere! | ||
| Noted Chicago comedian Mike Wiley. | ||
|
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Mike Wiley! | |
| And it was awesome! | ||
| It was great to see him again. | ||
| Great to meet him. | ||
| It was great to meet him. | ||
| It was great to finally meet him. | ||
| No, it was great to see him catch up, and it's so cool, but also he listens to the show, so I know he's going to hear this. | ||
| What's up, Mike? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And there's a part of me that's like, oh, shit. | ||
| Have I told this story on the... | ||
| Have I told any... | ||
| Am I saying anything that might have been on the show? | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And I'm repeating it to a bored... | ||
| Person who was there the first night I did stand-up comedy. | ||
| I've had that moment a number of times. | ||
| The people who are politely like, yeah, you said that on the podcast. | ||
| It's not a pleasant feeling, but it is something you kind of have to make peace with. | ||
| It's not fair, but it is what it is. | ||
| So Mike was getting his card taken care of too. | ||
| It was so great. | ||
| I love Mike. | ||
| Like I said, he was there the first night I did stand-up. | ||
| He's instrumental. | ||
| And, like, me continuing to do it and not feeling like I suck the whole time. | ||
| So he's used to blame. | ||
| It is entirely his fault. | ||
| He's very supportive. | ||
| He was way too supportive. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| We could all have saved ourselves a lot of time and effort if it weren't for Mike. | ||
| Well, that's great. | ||
| That's always nice. | ||
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That was nice. | |
| Run into an old friend. | ||
| And at an odd time in an odd place. | ||
| You know, it's always a delight. | ||
| Sure. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Here's my second bright spot. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I got a haircut and you didn't even notice. | ||
| You've been sitting here for half an hour and you didn't notice. | ||
| I noticed. | ||
| Well, you didn't say anything because that means it's a bad haircut. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Well, I mean, here's the problem. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Here's the problem, all right? | ||
| Whenever I was walking in the door, I saw you and I was like... | ||
| Different haircut. | ||
| And by then you had turned around and you fake, like, closed the door on me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I lost the initiative. | ||
| You're not going to pin this on me. | ||
| And then after that, no, no, no, it's not on you. | ||
| And then after that I was like, I don't know, when do I inject this into the conversation? | ||
| At any point. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| Your haircut looks great, by the way. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| That was not forced at all. | ||
| You're just well trimmed. | ||
| It's a delight. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about November 8th, 2023. | ||
| That is present day Alex. | ||
| He's back in the studio. | ||
| This is decided not to quit. | ||
| Oh, damn it. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And so we're going to talk about what he's up to. | ||
| There's been some elections. | ||
| Around the country. | ||
| Oh, that's true! | ||
| You had the election in Virginia, you had Kentucky. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Ohio. | ||
| Mississippi. | ||
| And a lot of them did not go great for Republicans. | ||
| Not great for them. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Pretty loud, resounding call for abortion access. | ||
| It is very funny how for so long we've allowed it to be tossed back and forth as a political football, and then finally whenever they did go, fuck it, it's gone now, everybody's like... | ||
| Oh, well, we actually did want that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, how about that? | ||
| Let's put this to bed. | ||
| This is something we all support. | ||
| We should be done with this, right? | ||
| We should be done with this 40 years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's maybe a very small group of fringe weirdos who are keeping this an issue. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And we should just move forward. | ||
| Let's just move forward. | ||
| Anyway, there's a bunch of that, and so Alex... | ||
| I was gonna say he covers the election, but he doesn't really. | ||
| Nah, that makes sense. | ||
| There's something else he covers that sort of has to do with the election. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we'll talk about this here in a minute, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Jamie is a pretty cool guy, I guess. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, Nate Burrow's high school friend's cousin. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy one. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| It was so weird that you mentioned Nate Burroughs earlier on the show because I was reading this email and he was like... | ||
| I did not. | ||
| I mentioned him before we started recording. | ||
| Oh, did you? | ||
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Okay. | |
| That's on me. | ||
| But that is still weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is still weird. | ||
| But yeah, so the email was like, wouldn't it be funny if you guys knew each other? | ||
| And it's like, you have no idea how well Dan knows Nate Burroughs. | ||
| I don't know if I know his high school friends. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Most of the people that he hung out were a lot of people he hung out with. | ||
| And I would hang out with as well. | ||
| We're a lot of his college friends from DePaul. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know about high school friends. | ||
| And then their cousins? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's thrice removed. | ||
| But I'm sure we would be friends. | ||
| Next, I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Next, wonking with the Squatch in Seattle. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Hello, Seattle. | ||
| Have you seen the new Frasier? | ||
| No, never. | ||
| Neither have I. I want to, and yet I haven't. | ||
| I know you do, and you know why you haven't. | ||
| Yeah, something's stopping me. | ||
| And, Dan, I will gladly be your ska music friend. | ||
| FIF forever. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You know what that stands for? | ||
| Five Iron Frenzy? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Wonks Anonymous. | ||
| If you're struggling with addiction, there's a community of wonks there to help. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
|
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| So, yeah, we start off with the awareness that an election happened. | ||
| And that's basically all you're going to need. | ||
| Because... | ||
| So here's what's going on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There was a viral video. | ||
| Why would I have expected any other two words to come out of your mouth? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so Alex covers that viral video, and he's going to then interview the guy who's in the viral video. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| Matthew Hurt turns out has a mutual friend of mine. | ||
| He heads up an organization that's very successful in exposing tyranny in Virginia. | ||
| He joins us in about 15 minutes. | ||
| And, of course, it's the viral video. | ||
| Tens of millions of views on Fox. | ||
| Tens of millions of views on Twitter. | ||
| Tens of millions of views on YouTube. | ||
| I mean, it's just probably 40 million people have seen this now. | ||
| Finger-wagging dim voter loses it on GOP poll worker in curse-laden rant. | ||
| He says, I'm taking your picture, and I'm going to get you. | ||
| The Republicans win. | ||
| And this is standard fare for these folks. | ||
| Yeah, so as he likes to do, Alex has decided to try to attach himself to someone who has a video that's going viral. | ||
| He's just trying to suck whatever juice he can out of them. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, like a gross mosquito on an even shittier, smaller mosquito. | ||
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Yep. | |
| In this case, it's Matthew Hurt, with two Ts, who's a Republican from Virginia who filmed himself getting scolded by a really annoying Democrat. | ||
| I've watched the video, and the dude is out of line, but it's not really that big of a deal. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If we're talking threats, I've seen way worse coming from the right, but when you lose these elections real hard, you have to have a different story to report, and this really works for that purpose. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| In the Virginia election, Democrats ran hard on defending access to reproductive health care, and they ended up regaining control of the General Assembly, which coincided with Andy Beshear being re-elected as Kentucky governor, and Ohio voters passing an amendment. | ||
| to their state constitution to enshrine access to reproductive health care. | ||
| Overall, it was a very bad day for the right wing after this election, and if you're on the losing side of something like this, you don't want to sit back and reflect that maybe your position isn't good and people don't like it. | ||
| You can't go on air and say, well, maybe people feel that access to abortion is a human right and mine is a deeply fringe position. | ||
| It doesn't sell. | ||
| I mean, it would be a weird world. | ||
| Like, I think we would all have a fucking... | ||
| Whiplash day. | ||
| If all right-wing media was just like, hey, listen, the majority is spoken. | ||
| I guess abortion's done. | ||
| And we would all sit and stop and the entire fucking country would stop. | ||
| We would all have whiplash from breaking our necks on how quickly they hit the brakes on us. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Well, the conversation would need to be something along the line. | ||
| For it to be had seriously would have to be something like... | ||
| I am recognizing that 80% of the population is okay with this thing, and I don't care. | ||
| I have a principled opposition to it, and I demand that I impose that upon you. | ||
| That would be what the conversation would have to be, and that's just not going to happen. | ||
| And no one's going to change their mind about anything, so you need a different angle to run with. | ||
| And thankfully, Fox News did a story about a GOP poll worker type guy who had a Democrat voter be a dick to him. | ||
| And now we have a completely new news cycle, and there's no need to spend time talking with the audience about how this doesn't bode so great for 2024. | ||
| I do appreciate that I spent my... | ||
| Early years, learning to learn. | ||
| And then I spend the rest of my life being told by TV how not to. | ||
| And observing so many people who can't. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
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Or just refuse to. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Incidentally, Matthew Hurt, with two Ts, is no normal poll watcher guy. | ||
| This is a dude who is deeply connected to insider GOP circles, and he knows exactly what he's doing. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| He didn't just have a video go viral, and now he's making the most of it. | ||
| First point, he's the Director of Professional Services for the Leadership Institute. | ||
| This is an organization that's meant to train conservatives in various capacities as activists, media figures, and candidates. | ||
| It was founded in 1979 by a man named Morton C. Blackwell, who's still its president, and incidentally also the head of the Republican National Committee in Virginia. | ||
| Yeah, that's a white nationalist. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You're making an assumption. | ||
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In my bones. | |
| In my bones, I feel it. | ||
| You're making a guess. | ||
| Morton Blackwell. | ||
| Yeah, I feel it. | ||
| This group boasts some serious alums, like Karl Rove, Jim Jordan, Grover Norquist, and Mike Pence, as well as Project Veritas' James O 'Keefe. | ||
| Before he caught the eye of Andrew Breitbart, O 'Keefe got a grant from the Leadership Institute who supported his efforts to bring a conservative publication to his campus at Tufts. | ||
| There are many big name individuals, but there are even more folks they've trained who you'd never know who they are, whether they be functionaries in a bureaucracy or local activists around the country. | ||
| And assassins. | ||
| There may be a few ninjas. | ||
| One thing that I've seen brought up about their training is that they like to stress what amounts to distasteful trolling. | ||
| For instance, in 2005, Jeff Horowitz went through their course and wrote about it for Salon, saying this. | ||
| Quote, controlled controversy, making your point in a manner so bombastic that your opponents blow their cool, is a Blackwell specialty. | ||
| Before the 2004 Republican convention, the conservative elder personally went to a drugstore and bought little pink heart stickers, bandages, and purple nail polish. | ||
| At home, he made the Purple Heart Band-Aids that he later distributed in Madison Square Garden to mock John Kerry's war wounds. | ||
| From Blackwell's perspective, the Kerry camp's outrage at the gag was a tactical disaster. | ||
| You see the same kind of strategy all over the place on the right wing. | ||
| You do something so distasteful and offensive that it's almost certain to cause a response and then make an entire news cycle out of how someone was offended at the offensive thing that you've done. | ||
| In many ways, the story we're seeing play out in this viral video and the coverage of it on Fox and InfoWars reflects a fairly similar strategy, because there's one important thing that we don't know. | ||
| What provoked the confrontation? | ||
| There's an entire preliminary exchange between Matthew and this annoying Democrat, but it wasn't recorded, so we have to take Matthew's word for it. | ||
| I have no idea what happened, but I wouldn't be too surprised if there was a little more poking than Matthew would like to admit. | ||
| In addition to all this, the Leadership Institute is heavily funded by right-wing billionaires like the Lind and Harry Bradley Foundation, the Ed Ulyan Family Foundation, Donors Trust, and Donor Capital Fund. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Those guys are great. | ||
| Anyway, Matthew works for the Leadership Institute, and I will say that being the Director of Professional Services is not an entry-level position. | ||
| He's pretty high up in there. | ||
| In addition... | ||
| On the website for the Libertarian Party's 2022 convention, Matthew is credited as the, quote, Director of External Relationships for Americans for Prosperity Foundation's Grassroots Leadership Academy. | ||
| This Grassroots Leadership Academy is very similar to the Leadership Institute, except that it started in 2015 and it's run by Americans for Prosperity, a Koch family front. | ||
| In 2016, Matthew was listed as a, quote, grassroots trainer and curriculum specialist. | ||
| So the two things to be clear about is that he worked for a Cokefront grassroots astroturfing outlet for years, and he's a specialist in the things that they teach. | ||
| It should be noted that the grassroots activist certification program, inside it there's an entire section of class dedicated to going viral. | ||
| So, maybe he knows the material. | ||
| Anyway, this isn't a guy who just is a humble poll volunteer who was involved with some groups fighting corruption and he had a video go viral. | ||
| This is a deeply connected Republican activist who trains people on how to do exactly what he's doing now. | ||
| Essentially, this entire thing is a farce, but it's an important farce for them to play out. | ||
| If they didn't do this, all that would be left would be talking about how poorly their side did in the election, and that's not going to happen. | ||
| So here we are. | ||
| As for Alex... | ||
| I mean, he just saw somebody getting a lot of views and he wanted to get in on the action. | ||
| He could care less that this guy works for the very people he would call globalists. | ||
| The organization that was involved with training Karl Rove. | ||
| If I was... | ||
| Alex loves Grover Norquist. | ||
| Yeah, oh boy. | ||
| No tax... | ||
| If I were this dude... | ||
| I don't know if there's a better ad for my school than going viral in exactly this manner at this exact time. | ||
| You should have to go to all the billionaires and be like, look at what I just did. | ||
| Give me even more. | ||
| And look at the way I played it out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| I earned all of this shit. | ||
| Pay me a billion dollars. | ||
| So he's going to be on here in a little bit. | ||
| And that'll be most of... | ||
| I think I would say it's a fair assessment to say that's most of our episode. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Of course, there was election fraud. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They also clearly had more election fraud in Kentucky and evidence of that in the governor's race. | ||
| It's happened again. | ||
| Magically, the gas broke at two different voting places, the key Democrat areas, to keep them open. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Late into the night, so they would magically get the votes to put him over the top. | ||
| That's in Louisville, Kentucky. | ||
| So we'll be looking at that as well here today. | ||
| So I know of one instance of a gas leak in Kentucky at the Highland Baptist Church in Louisville, but that just closed the polls for 30 minutes. | ||
| In response, a judge allowed them to continue voting until 6.30 instead of 6. Is that keeping voting open late into the night? | ||
| Late into the night. | ||
| Seems like an embarrassing stretch. | ||
| After daylight savings time? | ||
| That is dark. | ||
| If you're Alex, you have to work with what you've got. | ||
| I understand, and I appreciate it. | ||
| Hey, you do what you gotta do. | ||
| So what's the second place that had a gas leak? | ||
| I have no idea, and Alex never talks in specifics, so I'm kind of left in a no-man's land where I have to assume he's just making that up. | ||
| If there's one gas leak... | ||
| That isn't even close to suspicious. | ||
| But if there's two, then you have the beginnings of a pattern. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| No. | ||
| But if you're Alex, you have something you can work with. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, to me, that's almost like he would be shocked if there was one. | ||
| You know, like, him hearing you say, there was a gas leak would be like, ha-ha! | ||
| I can't believe I guessed right! | ||
| You know, like, it has nothing, whether there was one, 100, or zero. | ||
| He's operating off, like, skimming headlines. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| And so I'm guessing he saw multiple headlines about the same polling place being closed, and his brain made it multiple ones. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he's looking for the storyline that's exciting and indicates election fraud. | ||
| He has the story decided already. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Fitting the pieces. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like that's a diminishing returns. | ||
| You know, you can do election fraud. | ||
| Yes, his whole career. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But I mean, you can do election fraud for, like, presidents, you know, the big four years, that kind of thing. | ||
| No. | ||
| On off-year elections, who's really frauding? | ||
| No, but that's the thing. | ||
| This will never not happen again. | ||
| I mean, you just have to recognize that. | ||
| It's just the new thing. | ||
| And everybody needs to stop taking these arguments seriously, since it's just a knee-jerk response, not based on anything real. | ||
| Ironically, Alex pretends he's concerned about election integrity, but by screaming election meddling after every single election, the result is going to be that accusations of election meddling are going to be so much easier to ignore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just the boy who cried election fraud. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You may notice also that he's not talking about Mississippi. | ||
| How nine polling places in Hines County ran out of ballots? | ||
| He's not bringing that up. | ||
| This is a heavily Democrat area, so Alex isn't interested. | ||
| Incidentally, it's unclear if there was any kind of nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters, since the turnout was so high that there's a good chance they were just severely unprepared. | ||
| By law, they're required to have enough ballots for 60% of the active voter count, but if you get over that turnout, it can be an issue. | ||
| And so I think, from what I can tell, absent any other evidence that I haven't seen, They just were unprepared for a wave of voters. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| We didn't expect democracy to work this time. | ||
| Well, it's not worked before. | ||
| We're Mississippi. | ||
| Now, if this were a Republican area, you know that Alex would be... | ||
| Oh, it would be the loudest thing anybody would ever speak about. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| I mean, because the idea of that many polling places running out of ballots in a very specific area that leans heavily towards one party, you would have to objectively say, there could be something wrong there needing to... | ||
| Well, the reason is because all the precincts are in the same county, and the 60% number is based on the county, and then they distribute the ballots to the polling places. | ||
| Yeah, it's not complicated. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But for Alex, it would be so good. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So this is off topic a little bit, but Alex has a report in mind that he's going to do that I think is distasteful. | ||
| The reason I'll never play this footage is that if you're going to play it, you might as well really show a bunch of it. | ||
| Then don't? | ||
| I'm going to show a little bit today, but when I do a special report for Stephen Crowder's outfit, it'll air Friday. | ||
| I'll air excerpts of it here. | ||
| I'm going to do a deep dive on what it's like to live in Africa under the rule of some of the African despots and under the Islamic system. | ||
| I mean, we got footage of them mowing down little children. | ||
| We got footage of just piles of dead bodies, black people begging for their lives at the hands of the Muslims. | ||
| We're Arab, but also at the hands of Africans. | ||
| And it's just absolutely, completely over-the-top stuff. | ||
| Mass executions, you name it. | ||
| Now, you're not going to see this on the news, because only white people can be mean to brown people. | ||
| See, there was a faux concern about people that he was expressing. | ||
| You know, you could be tricked into thinking that he cares about what these people's lives are like in other countries, but he does not. | ||
| This is just to prove that white people aren't the only bad people. | ||
| I mean, I know. | ||
| That's so awful. | ||
| I immediately got visions of, like, for the price of a cup of coffee a day, you can give Alex... | ||
| The price of a cup of coffee a day. | ||
| You could alleviate his feelings that everyone's mean to him because he's white. | ||
| I mean, yeah, it's like you're even trying to make money. | ||
| I mean, it's insane. | ||
| Yeah, great. | ||
| We jump back to the main topic, which is this viral video. | ||
| Also, do you think the news in Africa has that... | ||
| They're covering the news in Africa, not the news in... | ||
| And many news outlets do cover much of this stuff that Alex is pretending that they don't cover. | ||
| It's thoroughly covered. | ||
| Books, everything. | ||
| So we get to this viral video, which is the real news. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| God, I hate the world. | ||
| And so Alex plays it, so you get to hear the exchange. | ||
| Here's some of the attempted voter suppression in Virginia yesterday. | ||
| Attempted voter suppression. | ||
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You might as well have been walking up to my head on the way to the polling station putting a gun to my head and trying to tell me not to vote. | |
| Do you expect me to not take that? | ||
| Personally, you f***ing try to overthrow elections with violence, and then you're out here among decent people? | ||
| Thanks for coming out today. | ||
|
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What do you have to say that, huh? | |
| And what's on your f***ing, what are your policy prescriptions? | ||
| Have a nice day. | ||
|
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You've already seen rapists' rights involving yourself and people's f***ing families and their f***ing bedrooms. | |
| That's pretty wild. | ||
|
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You f***ing animal. | |
| If you try to steal my vote next year, I'm going to f***ing remember you personally. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Is that alright? | ||
| Yeah, you can. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's a one-party consent state. | ||
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Yeah, one-party state. | |
| You want to f*** one-party countries. | ||
| Hey, sir, how are you? | ||
| Headed in to vote? | ||
| Can I get a Republican sample ballot? | ||
| Sure, thank you. | ||
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You know, try not to be buddy-buddy with these people because they put on the face of a good neighbor. | |
| But they support lynchmen. | ||
| Or they're Bible-beating bigots and freaks. | ||
| And they're not good neighbors. | ||
| Is this a State Farm commercial? | ||
| Yeah, so that's the video. | ||
| And you do realize, watching it, why the headline is finger-wagging person, because that's basically what he did. | ||
| He finger-wagged. | ||
| Yeah, that's the least threatened I've ever felt in my entire life. | ||
| The most threatening argument you could make is that he did take a picture of the guy, but I don't... | ||
| Did he release a video to Fox News? | ||
| No, that was what Matt did. | ||
| Oh, that's weird. | ||
| And then the dude got doxxed. | ||
| Oh, huh. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| I don't know how this is supposed to be voter suppression, though. | ||
| Like, even under the most critical examination of what this guy did, this guy's not a voter. | ||
| Eh, this is shit he's... | ||
| Eh, this guy has wanted to get that shit off his chest for a while. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| He blew up. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I mean, that's not very good. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think it's impolite, for sure. | ||
| It's unbecoming. | ||
| And it's just bad cursing. | ||
| You know, it's just a poor usage of... | ||
| What are you talking about, shitbird? | ||
| I mean, yeah, this is not good. | ||
| You can punch that up. | ||
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You could. | |
| If you want to be threatening in a, like, fun way or in a threatening way, you gotta do it better than this. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also got the feeling that maybe he knows who Matthew is. | ||
| It did have a very... | ||
| There's a familiarity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| It was the rapist rights part. | ||
| That's where it's like, why are you throwing that one in there for... | ||
| And also the you're an insurrectionist type, you want to overthrow the government. | ||
| That's not all of the GOP. | ||
| Well, maybe most. | ||
| I don't know if that's an assumption you would make just from someone offering you a Republican sample ballot. | ||
| I feel like that's the assumption this dude would make. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I got the sense that there's more here than meets the eye. | ||
| I don't know what that more is, but there's something that isn't being told by this video. | ||
| So, Alex got in touch with this guy through a mutual friend. | ||
| God, man, that sucks. | ||
| It sucks to be an old Fox News viewer, because this is what you get? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what you get? | ||
| Like, I could go to WorldStar, man. | ||
| Do you not understand what is really out there? | ||
| What kind of fun shit is really happening? | ||
| Yeah, but those videos aren't going to feed you the message that you want, which is that your political enemies are unhinged finger waggers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| I'm sorry! | ||
| You don't want to be scolded. | ||
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No one likes that. | |
| So, Alex has a mutual friend to this guy. | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| And I thought the way he explained it is interesting. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Also, guys, print me his Twitter. | ||
| He's got a very successful organization in Virginia. | ||
| Knows people that work with him. | ||
| That's how they gave me his number this morning to get him on. | ||
| Alex knows some people at the Leadership Institute. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I think he knows James O 'Keefe. | ||
| But he's not there. | ||
| He's just an alum of it. | ||
| He went through the program. | ||
| People who work there, Alex knows them. | ||
| Which seems strange, because I would generally think... | ||
| That people who are serious would not be interested in Alex. | ||
| If you're interested in the seriousness of political partisan politics and training activists and such, Alex is far off to the side of that. | ||
| But if you're interested in going viral... | ||
| Alex is the meme machine. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| So Alex introduces Matt, and he clearly shows some cards pretty fast. | ||
| There's a lot to unpack here. | ||
| First off, tell us about yourself a little bit, and then... | ||
| The big response to this, and before you got your camera rolling, your phone rolling, what was he saying before you got your phone on? | ||
| Well, thank you so much, Alex, for the opportunity. | ||
| My name is Matthew Hurt, and I'm the chairman of the Arlington County Republican Committee in Arlington, Virginia, where 80% of my neighbors, living and dead, voted for Joe Biden. | ||
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Ah. | |
| Here you can see Matt giving a cute, winking first glimpse at the fact that he believes that dead people voting swung the 2020 election. | ||
| This is important because it tends toward painting a picture of what that initial interaction between Matthew and this annoying Democrat might have been. | ||
| We have no video of it, and Matt is a slick, well-trained media operative, so I'm not going to blindly take his word for it. | ||
| I wouldn't be too surprised if he made some snide comment about dead voters or stolen elections hoping to set someone off. | ||
| It's also possible that the guy in the video is just a bit of an asshole. | ||
| Maybe he was having a bad day and it all happened unprompted. | ||
| I've just watched how right-wing media operates for too long to take at face value what some shithead tells me happened before the camera. | ||
| I have no interest in taking that, like... | ||
| As given. | ||
| Especially whenever this is the media presentation that this guy has. | ||
| Right out the gate. | ||
| Just immediate. | ||
| Timing. | ||
| Smooth. | ||
| All of this is easy. | ||
| Well practiced. | ||
| This guy is media ready. | ||
| He's talked into the mirror. | ||
| He's said this over and over and over and over again. | ||
| He is as annoying as a finger wagger. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So he tells this story of what happened before the video started. | ||
| And this is... | ||
| I don't know, his take. | ||
| What you don't see in the video is he actually walks toward me at the beginning of the interaction, and I offer him a Republican sample ballot. | ||
| He then flies into a rage for two or three minutes, a very similar kind of conversation that you see in the video, and then he goes in to vote, Alex, and it's at this point that I realize he's going to come back out. | ||
| And he's going to do the same thing. | ||
| So I took my phone and I dropped it in my shirt pocket and I hit record, like you said, and I waited for him to come out of the polling location. | ||
| And sure enough, the entirety of the video, about two minutes on Twitter or on X, is actually the second interaction, the second encounter I had with him. | ||
| I had this interaction with him and then he went in to vote and I realized this is going to be good. | ||
| I'm going to start rolling. | ||
| I'm going viral. | ||
| I really took it to this guy, and then I gave him a Republican ballot, like he specifically asked me not to do. | ||
| Then he went in there, he tried to vote on it, realized what had happened, came out, and was even more of a dick. | ||
| No, I didn't get any sense that he accepted the Republican sample ballot from the guy. | ||
| Well, I mean, it just seems like when he comes out of the... | ||
| Why would you keep going after that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| There's something that's not quite right here. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| It is entirely possible, though, that the guy is just kind of not cool. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I mean, going back for seconds at a polling place, you've got to want it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've got to want it. | ||
| It feels like something has to incite that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's so easy to walk away at that point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, hold on a second. | ||
| I ask you this question. | ||
| If he is still in the... | ||
| If he's still voting, we have the phone going into the pocket, the record button being pressed, did we get him walking to the... | ||
| Because I feel like the video started in media res, like in the middle of the guy talking. | ||
| It did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, if he started the video before the guy came out, then there is extra video. | ||
| That we did not see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to pause the recording right now, and I'm going to find the raw. | ||
| Go. | ||
| So from what, I have reviewed the raw footage. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it does start in media res, but also it's him walking up to him. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So it is both. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I think the timing is pretty remarkable. | ||
| He might have cut out the part where he's putting the phone in his pocket and giggling to himself about how he's going to record this guy. | ||
| It does feel like there's... | ||
| That might be missing from the raw footage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's not an exchange that happens in the second encounter that's been cut out or anything. | ||
| All I'm saying is that when you put your phone into your pocket, it is recording outwards, right? | ||
| So you can't press the record button while it's in your pocket. | ||
| True. | ||
| You have to do it from outside the pocket, then put it in the pocket. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you need to see the insertion into the pocket, or else it's all doctorate. | ||
| This is all fake! | ||
| It's a deep fake. | ||
| You're taking it out of context. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I guess one of the things that I keep coming back to that makes me just really curious about this is, like, nothing happens. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, if this guy was really mad enough to do all this, like, how didn't he do anything else? | ||
| He doesn't even really yell at him. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| He's got a very... | ||
| Again, I'm saying this is just terrible work on his part. | ||
| It's a little bland. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the mission of this is to be like, this is who liberals are. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| So, bummer. | ||
| This is what unhinged progressives and leftists look like in places like Arlington, Virginia, in places like Austin, Texas, in places like Memphis or Nashville, you know, these urban centers across America where they don't really like to have opposing viewpoints in their communities. | ||
| And as the chairman of the Republican Party here, I'm very outgoing, and I'm very friendly and nice to a lot of my Democrat neighbors, and they actually like to talk to us. | ||
| They like to engage us on policy. | ||
| But occasionally you get somebody like this who just does not want a diversity of thought in this community. | ||
| So there in your community, you're the chairman of the Republican Party. | ||
| You're a nationally known, a recognized grassroots organizer and public speaker. | ||
| I've seen your work for years. | ||
| And you're just out there calmly handing out brochures, talking to people. | ||
| And I figured that's what happened because we didn't talk before you came on. | ||
| You just agreed to come on. | ||
| It looked like he'd already confronted you and he was coming back for more. | ||
| I've noticed that's something they do, too. | ||
| If you're polite to them, they seem to enjoy that and then want to bully you. | ||
| Sometimes they wait until you try to leave, then they chase you in some weird ritual. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It borders on bullying. | ||
| Let me say this, alright? | ||
| Words have to mean things. | ||
| That is not unhinged. | ||
| That's thoroughly hinged. | ||
| It's pretty hinged. | ||
| Thoroughly hinged. | ||
| As a connoisseur of unhingitude. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a bit extra. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
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Maybe. | |
| It's a little bit more. | ||
| I don't know how to use slang. | ||
| I mean, he said fuck more than once, so it's R-rated. | ||
| That's as good as you got. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's unbecoming language. | ||
| It's unbecoming. | ||
| If that is what you're going to come at me with, oh, the unhinged left is unbecoming, then get the fuck out of here. | ||
| It's a little bit soft. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| But that's the goal here, is you take this guy, this one example, and like, this is your enemy. | ||
| This is the embodiment of all... | ||
| I saw this happen over and over and over again throughout various campaigns. | ||
| 2016 was lousy with Owen Troyer going out and finding some liberal at a rally that he could be like, this is who all the Democrats are. | ||
| Let me throw this out at you. | ||
| Maybe we're making a huge tactical error. | ||
| Maybe we need to send out some truly unhinged people. | ||
| I'd like to see them deal with that. | ||
| Because here's the deal, right? | ||
| If I'm a conservative, I'm listening to this guy call these people unhinged, and I go, well, oh no, I'm so scared of the left, right? | ||
| I'm not afraid of that. | ||
| They're trying to make it a big deal, but what I'm not afraid of is... | ||
| These Democrats or whatever. | ||
| You're not afraid of being scolded? | ||
| No. | ||
| No scolding. | ||
| Finger wagging? | ||
| Not a problem. | ||
| Especially not when I'm hearing a lot about guns from other people. | ||
| What about finger gun wagging? | ||
| Finger gun wagging, now that's bullying. | ||
| So Alex wants to know what happened in the first encounter. | ||
| And I have to say, I am of the same mind. | ||
| I would like to know. | ||
| Alex is mining for more fodder, whereas I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. | ||
| What were some of the things he said, just from memory? | ||
| In the first confrontation. | ||
| You know, and I have filed a police report and I am pressing charges in this interaction. | ||
| There's allegedly a track record for this gentleman of disrupting political activity. | ||
| Allegedly, in 2018, he was on the White House lawn protesting Donald Trump from within the gates of the White House lawn. | ||
| And so I learned via online yesterday that he has a long track record of this. | ||
| And I think it is important that he be confronted with these transgressions and his outrageous activity. | ||
| But the conversation on the way in was very similar to what you said. | ||
| So you can see Matt's slick training kicking in there. | ||
| That's media shit. | ||
| He doesn't really have much to say about the initial interaction, and the interview kind of de-escalates if he just answers this question with, it's more of the same. | ||
| So instead, Matthew answers the question he wanted Alex to ask him, which is... | ||
| Tell me your dubious speculation about this guy. | ||
| People on Twitter were quick to figure out who they thought this guy was, and they might be right, they might not. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| There's a fun trick that Matthew's playing there, though. | ||
| You can see with his characterization of this guy. | ||
| He brings up the idea that this guy allegedly protested at the White House and that he should be, quote, confronted for his transgression and outrageous activity. | ||
| Obviously, this is not something Matthew actually cares about. | ||
| It's trolling, meant to make excuses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Just shithead trolling. | ||
| Let me ask, was that the one where Trump ordered the cops to, like, fucking beat the shit out of people so he could do the photo op with a Bible? | ||
| It might have been. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Ironic to use that one as the, these frothing-at-the-mouth liberals. | ||
| Yeah, but this is all a game for Matthew, and you can see in the way he carries himself that he's choosing actions carefully to elicit a certain response. | ||
| He wants to poke and prod like his boss wearing a purple Band-Aid at a carry rally until someone has a response. | ||
| That he can fake outrage about. | ||
| This is a childish game, but it really does work. | ||
| And being aware of it is very helpful to not fall into it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the thing that confuses me, though, about all these hacks. | ||
| I mean, like, these specific hacks. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You don't sound outraged. | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't know how to sound... | ||
| You don't know how to fake actual rage. | ||
| This is all very, very prepared, but it's also somewhat monotone. | ||
| I'm not feeling him being like, and these people are out here doing all that. | ||
| The unhinged left is going... | ||
| That's weak tea. | ||
| Because it's meant to capitalize off someone else's outburst. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's just the name of the game. | ||
| It's be a shithead, be annoying and offensive, and then when someone's offended or annoyed, be like, what's wrong with you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they did learn a lot from nine-year-olds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nine-year-olds were really revolutionary in their movement. | ||
| Yeah, the conservative movement is, yeah. | ||
| So he pivoted to smear this guy. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then he's bought himself enough time so we get to hear what actually was in the initial interaction. | ||
| But the conversation on the way in was very similar to what you heard in the video. | ||
| You know, I'm an insurrectionist and all of these things, all of the things that you might think. | ||
| Whatever you, Alex, or your viewers think a progressive would say in a community like Arlington, he said it. | ||
| And, you know, it was comedy gold if it wasn't so scary because there are people walking around this community here in Arlington who are deeply, deeply disturbed. | ||
| Here, Matthew employs another really sneaky trick. | ||
| Instead of offering specifics about what the guy said to him, he suggests that Alex's audience should imagine what they think an unhinged progressive would say, and that's what he said. | ||
| Matthew's allowing the audience's imagination to dictate reality, which isn't a particularly honest way to go about things, but it's very effective for the purposes of the propaganda he's engaged in. | ||
| This guy not only said all the things you imagine he said, he's also super scary. | ||
| He's really scary because the left-wing people out there are so terrifying. | ||
| Does this dude not know that the Unite the Right rally was in Virginia? | ||
| I mean, I just, I just, if this is what you're trying to sell me as scary, we've just got two different lives. | ||
| We've just got two different lives. | ||
| Does he not know that earlier this year a guy wielding a baseball bat attacked staffers at Virginia Democrat Representative Gary Conley's office? | ||
| Like, this is nonsense. | ||
| You have to choose a side to be afraid of. | ||
| I think it's pretty clear. | ||
| Sure, sure, but that's only, that's just physical. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| This cuts to your bones. | ||
| The scolding? | ||
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The scolding! | |
| Have you ever been finger-wagged? | ||
| Listen, I've been hit by a baseball bat. | ||
| But finger-wagging? | ||
| Step too far. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Step too far. | ||
| Won't you think of the wagged? | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| It's dark down there. | ||
| So, here's what Matthew's really all about here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wants to convince Alex's audience to vote GOP. | ||
| Yeah, well, that tracks. | ||
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Fine. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex, I understand a lot of your viewers are skeptical probably of Republican Party politics. | ||
| I jokingly say I am the establishment in my committee. | ||
| I was a Ron Paul delegate in 2012. | ||
| I supported Ron Paul. | ||
| I went to the convention in Tampa. | ||
| And I've been a pro-liberty activist my entire life. | ||
| It is so important for your listeners, your viewers, to get involved in these processes and to join us. | ||
| Because what I found last night, last night at our election night party, A woman came to the election night party. | ||
| She said, I worked as a political appointee for Bill Clinton. | ||
| And it took me 20 years, but I was wrong. | ||
| And I'm ready to join the Arlington County Republicans and make a difference as a Republican. | ||
| So we have an opportunity in Arlington where, again, like I said, 80% of my neighbors living and dead. | ||
| Most of them, they voted for Joe Biden. | ||
| Most of them are federal employees or auxiliaries. | ||
| They work in some tangential relationship to the federal government. | ||
| Biased toward the left or toward progressive or leftist ideology. | ||
| Or their paycheck. | ||
| But there's a real opportunity here. | ||
| And I tell people I'm the kid in the room full of horse manure saying there's got to be a pony in here somewhere. | ||
| There's got to be. | ||
| So I think that they would be biased towards left-wing ideology if you mean a government existing is a left-wing ideology. | ||
| Their job. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, if your belief in the appropriate thing and the way things should run is like Ron Paul shit, where it's like, let's dismantle everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then, yeah, I think most people are pretty far to the left of you. | ||
| I mean, yeah, you don't even have to have too many complicated policy positions if you, like, okay, the guy on the right says he literally wants to cut my job, so in order to keep my job, I have to vote this way. | ||
| I must retain the government for my job. | ||
| I guess I am pro-democratic, mainly because I have to work. | ||
| Yeah, but see, he paints this as, like, issues and policies and stuff, and it's like, no, no, no, you just don't like the government existing. | ||
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That's... | |
| These leftists are. | ||
| So many sales classes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I hear in his sales pitch just all of that. | ||
| Like, that institute is fucking scary now. | ||
| I'm scared of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a scary idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially because the diversity of weird shitheads that have come out of it. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I mean, that's wild. | ||
| But the other thing, too, is this is a voice that is... | ||
| Not going to land. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because what he's doing is essentially being like, hello, I'm a nerd, and I'm a part of the establishment. | ||
| I mean, yes, he is 100% doing exactly that. | ||
| Now, granted, I liked Ron Paul, but now here I am in the Republican Party, and the waters are great. | ||
| You should come in, InfoWarriors. | ||
| Use your extremist numbers to bolster our votes. | ||
| And it's like, they're not... | ||
| The ones who are going to vote GOP are already going to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're not going to sway a ton of people, and the other people are not going to come around. | ||
| They're probably just not going to vote at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trump or nothing, baby. | ||
| Yeah, they're really... | ||
| There's no, like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's a thought that I had. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Okay, so did you see any of the debate? | ||
| No. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| No. | ||
| Vivek rhymes with cake. | ||
| Come on, why would I watch a GOP debate? | ||
| He did a lot of grandstanding. | ||
| I did read that, and I find this disgusting, this is the media once again failing to learn a fucking thing about goddamn anything, but the fact that I read, oh, Vivek wants to build a wall on the northern border, fuck you, you're all fucking stupid. | ||
| You're doing it again. | ||
| You're all fucking stupid and you should be ashamed of yourselves. | ||
| Ashamed of yourselves. | ||
| That was a big thought that I had as well. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| You learn nothing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You have failed us. | ||
| But the second thing that I thought... | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Is that now... | ||
| The GOP exists essentially to be a punching bag for people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they attach themselves so strongly to Trump that now you need a demagogue figurehead in order... | ||
| Like, you look at that stage and all those dorks don't have a chance. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Like, Vivek's probably the only person on that stage who has a chance and he doesn't have a chance. | ||
| I'm telling you, I'm telling you, it is going to happen. | ||
| Nikki Haley? | ||
| It's going to be Nikki Haley. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
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No. | |
| Trump is going to go to jail. | ||
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Or be ineligible to become president. | |
| DeSantis is already lost, because look at his stupid fucking face. | ||
| But they can get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Nikki Haley is really all they've got left. | ||
| And this once again proves one of my core beliefs. | ||
| The first female president will be sold to us as a Republican. | ||
| But then, you think it's all so comfortable. | ||
| Everything is just sunny. | ||
| You hear glass breaks. | ||
|
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Oh my god! | |
| Oh my god, what's that? | ||
| It's Rand Paul! | ||
| Rand Paul is running in with a steel chair! | ||
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Oh no! | |
| Oh man, that would be fun. | ||
| Let's get an October surprise. | ||
| No, I just, I got this overwhelming feeling that it's like, the Republican Party does not matter anymore, really. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just there to be co-opted by whoever's going to be the biggest shithead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's the model now, because people are pretty, you know, generally, from what I've seen, pretty excited about Vivek and his antics of the GOP. | ||
| Like, these debates, not enough probably to sway the needle on him as a candidate. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But that kind of behavior is what they want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Out of a white guy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Let's not go too far. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Vivek, you know where you are. | ||
| So, it's just, it's interesting to me that, like, I was looking at that stage, and I was seeing people who, I think might have wanted to have a debate. | ||
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It's so funny to me that, like, you think that's possible now? | |
| You did this to yourselves. | ||
| You shot yourselves in the foot. | ||
| Your party is this now. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The only problem with that, really, is that that is so unsustainable. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's going to take the rest of us down with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| I mean, it does feel... | ||
| There is a certain amount of smoke them if you got them going around. | ||
| Vape them if you got them. | ||
| Every time I look at the news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So Matt is asked why this video went viral. | |
| I think that, you know, being there and having the presence of mine to film it. | ||
| And then to immediately get it online. | ||
| You know, if you think about it, this happened at 9 a.m. Eastern yesterday. | ||
| It was up by 9.10. | ||
| And so as we go into the news cycle and a program like this, producers and reporters are looking for stories. | ||
| I'm pretty well connected in the conservative movement with reporters and with others. | ||
| He literally said that. | ||
| And so friends of mine pushed this out. | ||
| It's got over 11 million views now from my own Twitter account today. | ||
| Yep, we AstroTurfed that shit. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| I'm shocked. | ||
| I was expecting a lie. | ||
| I was expecting a lie that he told the truth is fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, all right. | ||
| Artificial ass shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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I asked my friends to make it go viral, and then they did. | |
| I have very powerful and well-connected friends in media. | ||
| Yeah, I'm no globalist. | ||
| I'm just well-connected in media. | ||
| Globally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex decries the left-wing violence. | ||
| Like the finger wagging. | ||
| Finger waggers, yeah. | ||
| And then other things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I guess we've learned the name of this individual, but he's more of the leftist, quote, intelligentsia. | ||
| Their foot soldiers are anti-foot. | ||
| And in many parts of the country, Republicans get hit over the head with baseball bats or with concrete blocks or pepper spray or sometimes even get shot in the back. | ||
| And the media basically covers it up. | ||
| I mean, Rand Paul had his ribs broken by a neighbor that hated him and his lung punctured and has been attacked many other times. | ||
| He got shot at when other congressmen almost were killed by a deranged killer. | ||
| And I remember when that guy drove from Illinois to shoot up the Republican baseball game close to you there in D.C. Wolf Blitzer said this guy was not a monster. | ||
| He was angry. | ||
| I'll never forget that quote. | ||
| So these guys, they're really the ones dealing the violence, the mostly peaceful protest, trying to frame us as hyper-violent. | ||
| Is Alex trying to suggest that the media didn't cover that shooting or Rand Paul's neighbor kicking his ass? | ||
| Is that silly? | ||
| I read a lot about those. | ||
| A lot. | ||
| It's worth noting that all of the stuff Alex says is a lie. | ||
| Rand Paul's neighbor wasn't politically motivated violence. | ||
| That was about his lawn. | ||
| And we've talked about the Wolf Blitzer thing in the past, but I think it's worth revisiting because Alex says he'll never forget that quote. | ||
| It's not a quote. | ||
| It's entirely made up in Alex's imagination in order to justify his bullshit narrative that the media supports people who carry out violence against the right wing. | ||
| Wolf was interviewing a friend of the shooter who said that he wasn't evil. | ||
| Wolf is actually pushing back on that. | ||
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You know, it's interesting, Phil, because clearly he was evil. | |
| And on March 22nd, as you point out, he posted this on Facebook. | ||
| Trump is a traitor. | ||
| Trump has destroyed our democracy. | ||
| It's time to destroy Trump and company. | ||
| And then he said Republicans are the Taliban of the USA. | ||
| When you say on a Facebook post it's time to destroy Trump and company, that's a threat against the president of the United States, and that's a crime. | ||
| Excuse me, Wolf was interviewing somebody who did a piece with the friend. | ||
| He wasn't talking directly to the friend. | ||
| But Alex is a liar, and he's using those lies to paint a picture that his political side is under violent attack and that the media supports it. | ||
| He's doing that to scare his audience, because that serves a couple of important purposes. | ||
| One, the fear keeps most people incapacitated and unable to engage with critical thinking. | ||
| If you're in danger... | ||
| It is not time to assess whether or not you're in danger. | ||
| There is only time to give money to that loudmouth cokehead who's going to save you from the bad guys. | ||
| Two, the fear and tension that's built will inevitably have the effect of causing someone to take matters into their own hands and carry out violence against Alex's opponents, which he can call a false flag, in order to justify and prove that his side is that much more under attack and create this tension and fear cycle that continues forever. | ||
| And so it goes. | ||
| For Alex, the truth isn't the truth. | ||
| His feelings are the truth. | ||
| He feels like Wolf Blitzer supported the guy who shot Steve Scalise, and so he remembers fake quotes that attest to that. | ||
| Sincerely, it's wild to imagine how much of Alex's audience thinks that they're receiving news and analysis, and they're actually just dwelling on Alex's feelings. | ||
| Simultaneously, it's wild to think about how devastating the consequences of Alex's feelings have been on everyone else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Let's not really unpack, because I don't think anybody wants to, the idea that because of the vagaries of imagination that we've built a society out of, one man's fiction can override all of reality. | ||
| Or at least have a dramatic impact on it for a lot of people. | ||
| That has real-world consequences. | ||
| In the same way asteroids did around 270 million years ago. | ||
| You're giving Alex too much credit. | ||
| But, you know, hey. | ||
| There is voter fraud. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Alright? | ||
| I'm sorry, are we back there? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It does exist. | ||
| And Alex has an example. | ||
| Well, by their yardstick, that is clear voter suppression, though, what he did to you. | ||
| Wait, how? | ||
| He wasn't voting. | ||
| He was working there. | ||
| We'll catch the Democrats a hundred times doing it. | ||
| It gets swept under the rug. | ||
| Look what just happened in Connecticut where a convicted member of the city council got caught on all the footage stuffing the ballot box again. | ||
| So it's Democrats robbing Democrats. | ||
| The judge shut it down. | ||
| There's a new election. | ||
| And there are a bunch of other examples that have broken around the country as well. | ||
| They're now catching... | ||
| I think that's the good news is... | ||
| Which examples? | ||
| This process, people say, well, there's so much election fraud, just don't vote. | ||
| No. | ||
| Keep voting, vote in higher numbers, have landslides, and then investigate it, and then force it out. | ||
| And that's why they're panicking, trying to outlaw the idea of questioning elections. | ||
| Sassing a guy handing out sample ballots is not voter suppression. | ||
| Matthew wasn't a voter in that situation, and the annoying Democrat guy didn't intimidate anyone around the idea of voting. | ||
| That's a dumb argument, as is the idea that people are trying to make questioning elections illegal. | ||
| That's not happening. | ||
| But it's still illegal to craft an elaborate plot to lie about the election in a conspiracy to overturn the results of it because you lost. | ||
| That's not so much questioning as it is a crime. | ||
| Alex may think that they're the same thing, but he's never been able to tell what questioning actually means. | ||
| He's always had an iffy relationship with that. | ||
| As for this thing in Connecticut, that's totally real. | ||
| But Alex has some details wrong. | ||
| This is about Joe Ganim, who was mayor of Bridgeport from 1991 to 2003. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| And re-elected in 2015. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| And he's been mayor ever since. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| In recent Democratic mayoral primary, there was significant evidence of ballot stuffing at drop boxes. | ||
| So a judge ordered a new primary, but according to the New York Times, quote, had no authority to postpone the general election in the meantime. | ||
| That means... | ||
| The general election will go on while the Democratic primary has not been decided. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| God, I love the thing about America is our unspoken no-backsies policy of like, okay, sure, maybe they should have sat a Supreme Court justice, but it's too late now. | ||
| Moving on. | ||
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Bye! | |
| Like, it's just moving on. | ||
| Just keep going forward. | ||
| Weird technicalities. | ||
| So the evidence in this case rises well above the kind of shoddy shit that folks like Alex and Dinesh D'Souza have presented about the 2020 election, which is why a judge made an order like this in this case, and all Alex and Dinesh can do is complain and then make tons of money complaining. | ||
| It's a real bummer because this actual case of fraud will be used by these shitheads to justify their own conspiracies after every single election from here on out. | ||
| But if you look at this as a movie, it's pretty comical. | ||
| I mean, it is pretty comical. | ||
| This mayor's like a cartoon character in terms of corruption. | ||
| He's Ben Gazarin! | ||
| It's 100% this! | ||
| He brought a Walmart to Bridgeport. | ||
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I mean, it is so much that! | |
| Oh my god. | ||
| It is remarkable how there can be stories like that that you've just not heard of. | ||
| You don't live in Bridgeport, you don't live around Connecticut, so maybe you haven't heard of Boss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The boss. | ||
| Tammany Hall 2023. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, sure. | ||
| Who got re-elected. | ||
| Ah, you know, that's just the way to do it, though. | ||
| I was reading a little bit about it, and he made an apology, and everybody's like, I think you're trying to run again. | ||
| Like, when he got out of prison. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| And then he just sort of did campaign stuff, but without saying he was campaigning. | ||
| And then all of a sudden he was campaigning. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta go away to come back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, it's like how many countries... | ||
| How many countries, especially in East Asia, where it's like, alright, 30 years ago we finally got rid of that monarchy. | ||
| Now we've elected the son of the monarch we got rid of to become president. | ||
| And you're like, alright. | ||
| So there's some Democrats who have been telling Alex, I'm sick of this shit. | ||
| Sick of the Democrats. | ||
| Look, I know a lot of Democrats who are lawyers and prominent people. | ||
| And privately at dinner, eating a chicken fried steak, thinking, listen, I hate the Democratic Party, and I hate all this, but if I don't stay in it, I will lose all my contracts. | ||
| Chicken fried steak is the new hot tub. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| How is that for a nonsense sentence that makes sense to you and me? | ||
| Chicken fried steak is the new hot tub. | ||
| I mean, yes! | ||
| That is... | ||
| Nobody prepared us for this, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's no way that we could be prepared for chicken fried steak as the new hot tub. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's just not possible. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nothing in this world could prepare you for the moment that that happens. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Just to be clear that I'm not insane. | ||
| Nor for this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you'd think as demonized as I am in the corporate press that I would be getting tomatoes thrown at me or beer bottles. | ||
| And that's happened a few times. | ||
| And it was happening, you know, quite a bit when Trump first got elected, but now it doesn't happen. | ||
| And so, knock on wood, it probably happened today since I said that, but it happens very rarely if somebody dumps a Coca-Cola on my head or iced tea or coffee or throws a bottle at me or throws a bag of feces at me like Antifa did and missed me and hit Owen. | ||
| That was like four or five years ago. | ||
| That and jail? | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| My wife and daughter, I've got three other children, but they're older and moved out now, it's how old I am, said, hey, I want pizza. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I don't want to wait an hour for some delivery. | ||
| You've got to bring it cold. | ||
| I'll go get it. | ||
| Where do you want it from? | ||
| I want it from here. | ||
| I get there. | ||
| I walk in. | ||
| And the little check-in place is right here. | ||
| And I tell the receptionist, here's my name, Pizza. | ||
| I'm worried there's no racism. | ||
| My name is Pizza. | ||
| Just loaded with, I'd say, middle-aged men and women, mainly women. | ||
| It's just jam-packed. | ||
| The bar's just bustling. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And a woman comes over. | ||
| She goes, I used to be a lebtard. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| But you woke me up. | ||
| Another woman comes over and she goes, I was too. | ||
| And then another woman and another woman. | ||
| I am Spartacus. | ||
| I was going to say, what are we doing? | ||
| Something like that happened just a few days before as well. | ||
| So, it's happening all over the place. | ||
| And then I'm walking out with the pizza and the salad and another woman and man are walking in and they say, hey, we used to be big liberals. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| We're awake now. | ||
| We're red-pilled. | ||
| I mean, I had... | ||
| Five people? | ||
| And I was only waiting like a few minutes. | ||
| Come up to me. | ||
| And once one came up, more came up. | ||
| That's incredible, folks. | ||
| That's in places like Austin, Texas. | ||
| Or in places like Big Bend. | ||
| No matter where I go, that's what's happening. | ||
| So it's a very, very exciting time to be alive. | ||
| So I put it to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His second example is Big Ben. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What do you think the odds are that he listened to our episode from London? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do you think it's fresh in his mind that he went to Big Ben and people were very fans there? | ||
| It feels like that's such a coincidence. | ||
| It's quite a specific. | ||
| It's such a specific. | ||
| It's such a specific for something that he hasn't talked about. | ||
| No! | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I don't like this. | ||
| I don't like knowing things like this. | ||
| Chicken fried steak is the new hot tub. | ||
| God damn it, dude! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's interesting because that is definitely something that I could see that would come to his memory, possibly. | ||
| But I've heard him talk about people shaking his hand and talking how great he is, and he is not brought up Big Ben. | ||
| I mean, you know, here's what I will say. | ||
| He neglected to name that the pizza place was called Mussolini's Pizza. | ||
| So there were a lot more fascist-leaning patrons than would be otherwise noted. | ||
| For example, an Olive Garden. | ||
| Or a Monocle's. | ||
| You get pizza at Olive Garden? | ||
| Oh, I forgot. | ||
| No, it was Italian. | ||
| I was just going straight Italian. | ||
| I have some thoughts about Italian food, but we'll get to them at another time. | ||
| So, Alex... | ||
| This next clip is very offensive, and it's just Alex hating Muslims. | ||
| I knew we were going to get to racism sooner or later. | ||
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Yep. | |
| All right, we're going to start the next hour. | ||
| The first five minutes, I'm going to get more into Israel and the war and play this clip on Palestinian TV saying it's okay to kidnap and keep Jewish women as sex slaves, and this is like a mainline belief. | ||
| Then I'll show you Muslims mass-murdering black people, and I'm not trying to attack the Muslims here. | ||
| I'm just going to show you what everybody's doing, okay? | ||
| Israel's doing a lot of bad stuff, too. | ||
| But just understand, bringing in the Muslims, in fact, that's something I didn't get to. | ||
| Israel wants to bring them here. | ||
| I don't hate Israel, but you just take that rattlesnake, okay? | ||
| I'm really mad about this, okay? | ||
| This is a line in the sand, okay? | ||
| You keep the little precious Muslims, all right? | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
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All I ever wanted, all I ever needed is hate. | |
| So the video that he's talking about there is from 2014, and it's not from Palestinian TV or Palestinian person making that argument. | ||
| It's a professor from Al-Azhar, which is a university in Cairo. | ||
| And again, it's a decade old. | ||
| This TV appearance is actually super controversial back then because people did not agree with the point that she was making, which was that in a legitimate war, you're permitted to take people from the other side as slaves. | ||
| I'm not going to try and rationalize her position or anything, but I will say that it is not a universally held belief, as Alex seems to imply. | ||
| Further, he's completely botched his sourcing and is pretending it's not almost a decade old in order to make it relevant to the ongoing massacre of Palestinians and create another position for him to have as opposed to dealing with reality. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex's position seems to be, I'm fine with Palestinians being killed because I hate Muslims and I'm starting to get mad at Israel because they're going to cause an increase of refugees that will lead to... | ||
| Muslims coming to the United States and I hate Muslims. | ||
| Seems to be about where he's at. | ||
| That is, you know, it's a difficult place to be in. | ||
| Because on one hand you say, well, Israel's killing people and I like that. | ||
| On the other hand you say, Israel's sending people that I don't like to me. | ||
| So if I say I don't want Israel to kill people, who am I? | ||
| There's not more in-depth analysis that comes. | ||
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Nope. | |
| So, yep, it's just hate. | ||
| I mean, it really is just hate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's she gonna do? | ||
| So we have another guest that comes in. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| This is Julie Mikovits, the plandemic lady. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She's back. | ||
| She's back. | ||
| Again and again, huh? | ||
| With authority. | ||
| Oh? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Back with a vengeance. | ||
| Back with a vengeance, yeah. | ||
| Back with a head of steam. | ||
| Diehard vengeance of the second go-round. | ||
| She's something, man. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So, one of the big things that is attempting to be conveyed here is that Alex is trying to get her to say that the COVID vaccines had Ebola in them. | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're setting the scene. | ||
| This is the stage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That is one of the big messages. | ||
| If I recall correctly, that was even the title. | ||
| Yeah, the title of the episode on Band.Video is Wednesday Emergency Broadcast Globalist Spiking COVID Vaccine with Weaponized Ebola Says Top Scientist. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Which is not borne out, really, by her interview, but she does bring up Ebola a couple times in kind of incoherent-ish ways, but enough for Alex to work with. | ||
| Anyway, they're not going to deal with much of that because she has some truly bizarre positions. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Talk to us like we're not a super scientist like you that saw this decades ago and blew the whistle. | ||
| What is the master plan? | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| And how is it going for them? | ||
| Because it seems like there is a big awakening, and they've had to pull back some. | ||
| Well, the simple answer, I'm getting a lot better, I think, at understanding that and speaking that. | ||
| But, you know, it's God against evil. | ||
| And there isn't any shot ever that gave you immunity according to God. | ||
| And that's what I said in the first discussion with Mickey Willis in that first pandemic, is lifelong immunity, that your immune system never forgets what it's seen. | ||
| But what we've done with every single shot is escape the innate immunity, your skin. | ||
| Your nose, your ears, your throat, your nasal pharyngeal cavity, the various aspects of the microbes, our virome, our microbiota given by God. | ||
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Yeah, God gave you immunity. | |
| Vaccines are an affront to God. | ||
| I mean, that is a position to take. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That is a position to take. | ||
| I would argue, of many of the diseases that vaccines have helped eradicate, God didn't do much for those. | ||
| So were those not part of our original, you know, like if we didn't take vaccines back in the day, you know, pre-figuring out cowpox or whatever, you know, and everybody was dying of smallpox. | ||
| Do we not have an innate immunity to smallpox? | ||
| And if that is the case, does that mean God wants us to die of smallpox? | ||
| Should we have all died out because of that plague? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That we are in defiance of God for having figured out a cure. | ||
| See, now that... | ||
| Or a preventative. | ||
| Now we're talking. | ||
| I'm willing to engage with that concept. | ||
| If she were to go into that... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Interesting conversation. | ||
| But not gonna happen. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because this really is more just about being anti-vax and trying to shift the argument away from science stuff while still being like, this is what real science is. | ||
| Your skin! | ||
| Yeah, that's rough. | ||
| Man, that's a good story, though. | ||
| That's a good story, that we were supposed to die out in a plague, but we defeated God. | ||
| That's what's going on behind the scenes. | ||
| God is actually trying to kill us because we didn't die! | ||
| Final destination! | ||
| Oh, man! | ||
| We figured out this world! | ||
| It's all final destination! | ||
| It's all final destination! | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I gotta sit with that for a while. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| This is gonna be rough. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, while we think about that... | ||
| Enjoy Alex saying that the HPV vaccine was pulled. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| And then Judy having to be like, no, it wasn't. | ||
| Somebody like Bill Gates, a eugenicist, a depopulationist, obviously used to look at him as a psychotic demon. | ||
| Now with the HPV shots that we know they had to pull years ago because they killed so many people and caused all these horrible autoimmune responses, now they want to try to make every little girl in America take it. | ||
| Well, actually, they didn't pull it years ago. | ||
| I mean, I know they still have it out there, but it got rejected to a great extent, I remember. | ||
| Well, it's on the schedule, and in California, it's mandated in every little girl and boy. | ||
| Well, you're the expert. | ||
| Tell us what this thing does. | ||
| They pulled it. | ||
| I mean, some people didn't like it. | ||
| I've talked about it negatively. | ||
| So they got pulled. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's some classic backpedaling. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They don't teach you that at the Leadership Institute? | ||
| That kind of smooth media shit? | ||
| That would give Steph Curry several hundred feet of space to work with there, yeah. | ||
| I find that spectacular. | ||
| Yeah, wild. | ||
| Panic in the moment. | ||
| I mean, it could be anything. | ||
| I mean, people didn't like it. | ||
| Tell me, what does the HPV vaccine do? | ||
| It's such a great thing. | ||
| It kills so many people. | ||
| I mean, it is such a great thing to ask because the answer is there's like, well, it's a vaccine against HPV. | ||
| It's in the name. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you can't answer that. | ||
| You can't answer the simplest answer. | ||
| Well, it turns out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| HPV is actually good, apparently. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Here's what I'm talking about. | ||
| It may or may not make you immune to most cancer. | ||
| HPV doesn't cause any kind of cancer. | ||
| It's not that the virus doesn't exist. | ||
| You know, HIV, no single virus causes, you know, anything if our mucosal immune system. | ||
| So you think about HPV. | ||
| Human papillomavirus, it causes warts. | ||
| I've got one right over my right eye now, and I've got a couple here. | ||
| And with sexual activity in college is the first time that you'll be exposed to it. | ||
| What is happening right now? | ||
| What did she just tell me? | ||
| What we now know is HPV is in newborns, and it's part of that good microbiome. | ||
| Did you give your baby HPV? | ||
| By the way, it's funny you say that, because I'm not a scientist like you, but I've even read mainstream articles and studies that have been on air 29 years, almost 30, that they found that when a child falls down, this is what happened to me in the playground, and hits their knees in gravel, that the viruses are in the dirt, and they found people that are infected with HPV or similar work-causing viruses are then way more resistant to other viral cancers. | ||
| Now, you're the scientist. | ||
| That's what I've read. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Yes, because in the dirt, we have microbes that actually digest, and I actually said that. | ||
| So the earth is vaccinating. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Immunizing us. | ||
| Immunization is not vaccination. | ||
| Well, that's how I got warts was not sex. | ||
| I got warts playing baseball and falling in gravel and cuts, and you'd get a few of them. | ||
| And then I read that once you have those wart viruses, it makes you way resistant to cancer. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I hate this. | ||
| Wow, God is incredible, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, the reason this dirt thing doesn't work is because the ground has been poisoned by, I guess, chemtrails or some shit. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Some other conspiracy will explain why this doesn't actually work. | ||
| That is a collection of words that I... | ||
| Don't think have any connection to each other whatsoever. | ||
| We just listen to a lot of words that could be separate. | ||
| I was listening to it, and I have a feeling when I listen to her that I'm like, I'm worried. | ||
| A lot of guests don't give me that feeling of like, I gotta leave the room. | ||
| I can't be around this. | ||
| No, there's a dark energy to this conversation where it is a certain amount of like, what won't you do, lady? | ||
| I'm scared of this woman. | ||
| In a real way, I want to be... | ||
| In a different room. | ||
| You're totally right. | ||
| Well, HPV vaccines, get rid of them. | ||
| They don't do anything. | ||
| You should have HPV anyway, because then you won't get cancer. | ||
| There's just something about her being like, I have one over my right eye right now. | ||
| I got that in college. | ||
| Just like, how are you talking to me about this like this right now? | ||
| Stop this! | ||
| Well, she also doesn't like tetanus vaccines. | ||
| And if she were to get her way, it would be devastating. | ||
| To people in the developing world. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So medical doctors are trained to give pharmaceuticals, whether pills or shots. | ||
| That was the Rockefellers in 1900. | ||
| Within 20 years, they just took over medicine. | ||
| Because it really wasn't even Western medicine before. | ||
| What would you call medicine before they took it over? | ||
| It was health care. | ||
| When I did something stupid and ran over a barbed wire fence and cut my leg almost in half, I go home to my mom and say, shouldn't I get a tetanus shot? | ||
| Should I worry about blood poisoning? | ||
| She said, you should have thought of that. | ||
| I told you to stay out of there. | ||
| And so, of course, I didn't die. | ||
| But, you know, we... | ||
| If I had, she'd still be a great mom. | ||
| There is no shot. | ||
| There is no shot that is good or ever provided immunization according to God. | ||
| Do they give you protection from an acute disease from a week when you're exposed? | ||
| Yes, perhaps. | ||
| But again... | ||
| Well, then the contaminants sterilize you or give you cancer a month later. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| The chronic diseases. | ||
| So maybe more than a week, huh? | ||
| Maybe more than a week. | ||
| Maybe quite a while. | ||
| It gives you immunity to stuff. | ||
| I mean, look, I do have a feeling. | ||
| That a major driver of the anti-vex sentiment is a hate of people in the developing world. | ||
| I think that people like Alex on some level are aware that should he get his way and all these vaccines be recalled, the people who would be hurt the most are people who are in the developing world. | ||
| They would be dead in much higher numbers than already. | ||
| Are the case. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that he understands that on some level. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| And I think that's mixed up in his politics, too, because so much of the stuff that animated the right wing that he came out of has to do with, like, we gotta get rid of foreign aid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Why are we spending all this money on people in other countries and stuff? | ||
| And if all those people were to die, there'd be nobody to send the money to. | ||
| A problem would solve itself from his standpoint. | ||
| That is the way he would see it, yeah. | ||
| I'm not sure that all this is an entirely conscious thing, but I'm fairly certain from enough viewing of his show that some of these feelings are mixed up in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I find it abhorrent. | ||
| There's enough of a hinting towards it, or an implication of like, and if this were to happen because... | ||
| That's just God, and I'm happy with that, and I'm fine with that, and it's not even me. | ||
| I don't have to take responsibility for it. | ||
| God doesn't provide any immunity according to the Bible when the vaccines were made. | ||
| Vaccines have never given immunity according to God. | ||
| What does that sentence mean? | ||
| It means that God has never come out and said specifically that vaccines provide immunity. | ||
| She goes on to say that everything will be fine. | ||
| Just so long as you don't inject or ingest anything that has, like... | ||
| Well, you can't inject anything. | ||
| And then you can't ingest anything that has, like, GMO stuff. | ||
| Sometimes I like to imagine... | ||
| That if, like, we were on a boat, like, let's say human society's on a boat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a boat is a different environment. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Cramped. | ||
| If we were on this boat... | ||
| We're surviving the raft. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I think humanity, human society, would maybe see this woman off the side of the boat. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| I don't think she's gonna make it past, does the tetanus shot help? | ||
| Maybe when you get tetanus. | ||
| I think that she would hurt your chances of survival. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will say that much. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So we have one last clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's also from the two of them talking. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I'm aware that Mark Dice came in for the third hour. | ||
| To talk with Alex. | ||
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Gross. | |
| But I don't care. | ||
| I think there was something overwhelming about Judy's delivery that I just kind of was like, I gotta get out of here. | ||
| No, it's really uncomfortable. | ||
| It's really uncomfortable. | ||
| So we have one last clip, and it's Alex telling another fun story about his dad. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| Which I cannot confirm nor deny. | ||
| You know, my dad was a dentist, but he also owned a hospital with some of his partners in Mesquite, Texas, outside Dallas. | ||
| And I remember him ranting at the kitchen table about AZT killing people, how they were blocking the good drugs, the interferon, and then he worked with some of the doctors. | ||
| And I don't want to make my dad a hero, but it's true. | ||
| My dad was Dallas Buyers Club. | ||
| He was involved, given by the medicine. | ||
| What? | ||
| I remember hearing all this when I was a kid. | ||
| What? | ||
| Get the fuck out! | ||
| I remember I was watching a movie with him. | ||
| I rarely go to movies with him. | ||
| Get the fuck out! | ||
| It came out like a decade ago. | ||
| With Matthew McConaughey, we were going to see a science fiction movie, and when the Dallas Buyers Club came on, my dad started crying, and after the movie, he said, well, I knew that guy, I knew those people. | ||
| So it was just crazy how... | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy! | ||
| Alex's dad was involved with the Dallas Buyers Club. | ||
| I mean, that would be an interesting story, and the timing would almost make sense somewhat, but he's lied too much for me to even give a shit and pretend to pretend to care. | ||
| The timing wouldn't work out, really. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it would work out in as much as, like, 1988 was when that started. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was sometime. | ||
| Yeah, and that was when Alex and his dad would have been in Dallas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's all I'm agreeing to, yes. | ||
| Alex would have been, like, 14 at the time. | ||
| Unacceptable. | ||
| Like, I just, I don't buy any of this. | ||
| I don't buy any of that. | ||
| And I don't buy, Alex's dad has not told him the truth about one fucking detail of his entire goddamn life. | ||
| I don't know what Alex... | ||
| Alex's dad is, because anything that Alex has told me is pretend. | ||
| I found his dental degree, so I know he has a dentist. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I found a property that he owns, like land holdings, so I know that he has that. | ||
| There's one thing that I want of this story and of that family, which is for him to have a secret family. | ||
| In another state. | ||
| That needs to happen. | ||
| I just need that really bad. | ||
| I know that he always says that he has a Korean adopted sister. | ||
| It'd be nice if that was his dad's. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| From another marriage. | ||
| Just someone out there. | ||
| Someone in Maine. | ||
| You know, just sitting there going, I'm Alex Jones' half-brother and no one will ever know. | ||
| No one will ever know. | ||
| That's a missed opportunity to really taunt him. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| If you were that half-sibling, just send him race memories that you have. | ||
| You remember this one, bro? | ||
| Yeah, this is what I got from our lineage. | ||
| That would be the best. | ||
| Oh, God, that would be great. | ||
| And especially if you were older than him. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Because he has this whole thing about the oldest son gets the race memories. | ||
| If he wasn't, oh my god, that'd be too good. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| That'd be too good. | ||
| We just, the world isn't good enough for us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, I don't know if we've ever actually heard him discuss whether or not, like, if you get an abortion, are you aborting the child that has the race memories? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Because if so... | ||
| Chaos. | ||
| I mean, his children are... | ||
| Yeah, they're race memoryless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, they're divorced from reality. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot to ponder here. | ||
| I wonder if they can connect to God. | ||
| I think they can. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| God is acting real weird lately, according to this show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think, look, if you ask me, I think everybody can connect to God as they understand. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If you ask Alex, maybe his kids can. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| That's up in the air. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And if you ask Judy, no injections. | ||
| No injections. | ||
| Because immunity is only bestowed by God. | ||
| Through your skin and your nose. | ||
| But you know what's weird about the way she says that, though? | ||
| A lot of things. | ||
| A lot of things are weird about it. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| I won't disagree with that. | ||
| It's that it is somewhat open-ended. | ||
| It's like, God has never said that vaccines provide immunity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, vaccines... | ||
| Nothing has ever provided immunity according to God. | ||
| See, but the according to... | ||
| I think you're taking it in a way that I'm not. | ||
| You're saying that it's... | ||
| God was never quoted as saying... | ||
| I mean, it is a little bit along those lines! | ||
| But I think it's, like, by God's will. | ||
| By God's decree. | ||
| You know, like, according to... | ||
| See, that's where we get into the issues with double entendre. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is complicated. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's a rare experience for me to really just get, like, I need to leave the room vibes from somebody, but she gave it to me hard. | ||
| And the other thing, too, is she keeps bringing up Kent Heckenlively, who's the guy who wrote Alex's books, because he also writes her books. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I assume that's a good connection to have. | ||
| Yeah, and then she's like, yeah, you know, he'd always give a brain force whenever he's... | ||
| Take a brain force whenever you start working on your books. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| Judy even says, when I read your book, I would take a brain force. | ||
| And I was like, wait. | ||
| Maybe that makes it make more sense. | ||
| Maybe there's something about being high on brain force that these books start to be good. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So maybe it's not what's being written. | ||
| It's what's being written between the lines so long as you are high on brain force. | ||
| I'm starting to suspect that maybe there's shit in invisible ink that you can only see if you're on brain force. | ||
| Maybe what happens is when you're on brain force, you don't turn the pages. | ||
| You open the book to the middle and then you enter in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You remember that, what was that? | ||
| Shit. | ||
| That weed movie? | ||
| Jon Stewart, you ever do this on weed? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Dave Chappelle. | ||
| Half-baked? | ||
| Half-baked, yeah. | ||
| It's just that with the brain force. | ||
| Would have been good if I could have remembered the names of things. | ||
| Yeah, well, it happens. | ||
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Chicken fried steak is the new hot tub. | |
| I don't know if we're ever going to live that one down. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's the kind of thing that if we were a different show, we'd make shirts. | ||
| But oh well. | ||
| That would be the most, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back for another episode. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. | ||
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Bum bum. | |
| Bob, Bob. | ||
| That's a heartbeat. | ||
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And now here comes the sex robots. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |
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