Knowledge Fight - #864: October 25, 2023
Aired: 2023-10-30
Duration: 02:14:35


=== My Bright Spot in Mario Golf (06:58) ===

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[00:00:29]  dan and jordan knowledge fight need money stop it andy and kansas andy and kansas andy andy and kansas andy andy andy it's time to pray andy and kansas you're on the air thanks for holding us Hey everybody!
[00:01:00]  Hey, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:07]  Oh, indeed we are.
[00:01:07]  Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan.
[00:01:09]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today, buddy?
[00:01:11]  My bright spot today is being given under duress.
[00:01:14]  Hmm.
[00:01:17]  I've become a victim.
[00:01:18]  I'm sorry, who is duressing you?
[00:01:19]  I've become a victim of call-out culture.
[00:01:22]  Okay.
[00:01:22]  All right.
[00:01:23]  Okay.
[00:01:24]  All right.
[00:01:24]  No, the other day I went over and hung out with my friend Angela Lampsbury.
[00:01:29]  Sure, of course.
[00:01:30]  And we were playing some video games.
[00:01:32]  I got to play a little old Super Nintendo game called Side Pocket that is terrible.
[00:01:37]  It's a terrible pool simulator.
[00:01:39]  That sounds right.
[00:01:40]  A Super Nintendo pool simulator.
[00:01:43]  It has a certain charm to it.
[00:01:44]  I believe that.
[00:01:44]  But then we started playing some Mario Golf.
[00:01:47]  Uh-oh.
[00:01:48]  Yes.
[00:01:48]  Which kind?
[00:01:49]  It's the new one, new-ish one.
[00:01:51]  Super Rush.
[00:01:52]  I don't know if it's new, actually.
[00:01:53]  Dangerous.
[00:01:54]  A lot of fun.
[00:01:56]  Oh, okay.
[00:01:57]  Golf simulators are tough because you have the ones that are like Wii Golf.
[00:02:02]  Sure.
[00:02:02]  And there's essentially no control that you can add to the ball or anything.
[00:02:05]  And it's like, okay, if you memorize how to get through the holes and how much the wind is going to affect things, you can basically just memorize the holes.
[00:02:12]  Right.
[00:02:13]  Then there's like the PGA 2K games, which...
[00:02:18]  One of them I got because it was free on PlayStation, and I started trying to play it, and there are too many controls.
[00:02:25]  No, there's like wind speed, spin, height, cut, backwards.
[00:02:31]  It's no longer a very fun thing.
[00:02:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:35]  Now, the Mario is right in the middle.
[00:02:37]  Right in the middle.
[00:02:38]  And it's got Mario characters.
[00:02:39]  Sure.
[00:02:39]  So you got Waluigi.
[00:02:40]  Naturally.
[00:02:41]  You got my gal Rosalina.
[00:02:42]  Okay.
[00:02:43]  A lot of fun.
[00:02:45]  Okay.
[00:02:45]  So my bright spot is playing a little bit of Mario Golf.
[00:02:49]  Yeah.
[00:02:49]  Now, the reason I'm a victim of call-out culture...
[00:02:52]  I was wondering.
[00:02:52]  ...is on our last episode, that was not my bright spot.
[00:02:56]  Oh, no.
[00:02:57]  And Angela Lamsbury's partner got a little bit aggressive about why it wasn't.
[00:03:03]  I mean, it's a strange thing.
[00:03:06]  Yeah.
[00:03:06]  It's because I hadn't downloaded it yet at the time of the last recording.
[00:03:10]  Oof.
[00:03:11]  So anyway, I feel like I'm a victim.
[00:03:13]  Sure.
[00:03:14]  Of cancel culture.
[00:03:15]  I'm taking a turn towards the right.
[00:03:16]  I think it's about time.
[00:03:18]  Yeah.
[00:03:19]  This censorious world that demands that I immediately talk about how great...
[00:03:23]  Mario Golf is.
[00:03:24]  We had a good run as allies, and now it's time to become enemies.
[00:03:27]  I think that's fine.
[00:03:29]  I am done with this woke demand for immediate bright spots.
[00:03:34]  I think that's going to be a great interview to give to Tim Pool or something later, where it's like, what was your change that turned you...
[00:03:41]  Well, these motherfuckers about Mario Golf.
[00:03:44]  I was a little too late to say that I enjoyed Mario Golf.
[00:03:47]  Oh, shit.
[00:03:47]  And then Tim Pool's going to be like, I can't believe it!
[00:03:50]  He's like, I hear this story all the time.
[00:03:51]  It's just the most...
[00:03:53]  It's this and Robert E. Lee statues being torn down.
[00:03:55]  It's, you know, time to take our heritage of Mario Golf.
[00:04:00]  That is our...
[00:04:02]  So what's your bright spot?
[00:04:03]  My bright spot is, you know, I've been a little bit down.
[00:04:08]  I had struggles.
[00:04:10]  But when you get there, it's nice to revisit.
[00:04:14]  And so I started with the Terry Pratchett Discworld novels.
[00:04:17]  Sure.
[00:04:18]  I'm pretending I know what you're talking about.
[00:04:20]  No, you don't.
[00:04:21]  But people who know will know.
[00:04:23]  And it's pure joy to read those.
[00:04:27]  Really.
[00:04:29]  In a way that, you know, it's hard to explain to people, but it is just like, I can read, you know, I read six of them in the past couple of days, and it is just like a constant jolt of...
[00:04:40]  That makes me think this might be some children's writing.
[00:04:42]  Is that fair?
[00:04:42]  No, no, no, no, no.
[00:04:43]  It's, uh...
[00:04:44]  YA?
[00:04:45]  Terry Pratchett is probably second to Douglas Adams.
[00:04:49]  Right.
[00:04:49]  Maybe in terms of being funny on the page.
[00:04:52]  So, yeah.
[00:04:53]  That's not children's novel.
[00:04:55]  But it's still, like, fairly easy to read.
[00:04:56]  It goes fast.
[00:04:57]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:59]  I mean, I would say that Woodhouse is also not for kids, but it goes fast.
[00:05:02]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:05:03]  No, I mean, the appropriate...
[00:05:04]  I think it's a lot like stand-up.
[00:05:06]  You know, when you're talking about a stand-up show, about an hour and a half is where it should be.
[00:05:10]  If you're talking about a funny novel, about 50,000 words is where it should be.
[00:05:15]  Sure.
[00:05:15]  Yeah.
[00:05:15]  Sure.
[00:05:16]  Those are the rules.
[00:05:17]  I don't know why it makes sense, but if you want to be funny on the page and write a novel, it's about 50k.
[00:05:23]  So you've been reading about squirrels, is what I'm hearing.
[00:05:26]  Not too much about squirrels.
[00:05:27]  I think there are some squirrels.
[00:05:29]  The title led me to believe there would be squirrels.
[00:05:32]  So it's like, you know, imagine somebody was just transposing regular shit into a fantasy world.
[00:05:42]  You know?
[00:05:43]  Instead of being like, "Oh, there's all these elves and stuff," the elves also have to deal with regular problems.
[00:05:49]  Maybe one of them is a moose.
[00:05:51]  What are you going to do?
[00:05:52]  Yeah, one of them is a moose.
[00:05:53]  There's magic.
[00:05:54]  But there's also mundane human problems.
[00:05:58]  The moose does have to pay taxes.
[00:06:00]  The moose got a parking ticket.
[00:06:03]  The moose, and what does the moose do with the parking ticket?
[00:06:06]  Now we find out.
[00:06:07]  Right.
[00:06:08]  Now you've got a novel.
[00:06:09]  I can't wait to read this.
[00:06:11]  Sounds right up my alley.
[00:06:12]  I'm selling it hard.
[00:06:14]  So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and we are back to non-Vevake interview.
[00:06:21]  Sure.
[00:06:22]  We're talking about October 25th, 2023.
[00:06:24]  Yeah.
[00:06:25]  That is last Wednesday.
[00:06:27]  That's the day.
[00:06:28]  Yeah, that's the day that Nick Fuentes came around for the much-vaunted debate that he and Alex were going to have.
[00:06:35]  Is it a debate, or is it just like a talking?
[00:06:38]  It's certainly a talking.
[00:06:39]  Now, here's what I want to say.
[00:06:42]  I thought that in the context of the situation that's going on in Israel and Gaza right now, the last thing I wanted to hear was these two ding-dongs talk about it.

=== Bad Interview Slash Debate (15:38) ===

[00:06:55]  And I will say that it's not really about that.
[00:06:58]  At all.
[00:06:58]  That sounds right.
[00:06:59]  So, there is a part of me that is relieved in as much as it's not them having a debate about, like, Palestinian rights or anything like that.
[00:07:09]  Because I don't think I could tolerate that or stomach whatever they were going to say.
[00:07:13]  That said, it is about a number of other things.
[00:07:18]  And it's pretty bad.
[00:07:20]  Okay.
[00:07:20]  It is a really, really bad interview slash debate.
[00:07:25]  Right.
[00:07:25]  It's not really a debate.
[00:07:26]  No.
[00:07:27]  And Alex gets progressively drunk.
[00:07:30]  Okay!
[00:07:31]  I think he's pretty wasted by the end of it.
[00:07:33]  Alright!
[00:07:33]  And it's just bad.
[00:07:36]  It's just really bad.
[00:07:37]  Is it the whole episode?
[00:07:38]  Is it like the three hours?
[00:07:39]  It's most of it.
[00:07:40]  Wow.
[00:07:40]  It's like an hour and a half or so.
[00:07:43]  And I will say that after the interview, Alex does interview somebody else, and it's that guy.
[00:07:50]  That Russian television guy who had Alex on recently.
[00:07:54]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:54]  And, like, buttered him up all that.
[00:07:56]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:07:56]  So Alex is returning the favor and having him back on.
[00:07:59]  Yeah.
[00:07:59]  And we may cover that at another time, but I felt like this was plenty.
[00:08:02]  Yeah.
[00:08:02]  This protracted interview with Nick Fuentes.
[00:08:06]  So we're going to get down to business on this, Jordan.
[00:08:08]  But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
[00:08:10]  Oh, I think that's a great idea.
[00:08:11]  So first, let's see here.
[00:08:13]  Got to open this up.
[00:08:15]  Squatch Waweliski.
[00:08:17]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:17]  You are now a Policy Wonk.
[00:08:18]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:08:19]  Thank you very much!
[00:08:20]  I just saw that smile across your face.
[00:08:22]  Gotcha.
[00:08:23]  It says pronounced Wawelski.
[00:08:25]  Wawelski.
[00:08:26]  It must be Polish.
[00:08:28]  The W's that are V's.
[00:08:29]  Something like that.
[00:08:30]  Sneaky letters.
[00:08:31]  Next, the unkempt front lawn of patriotism.
[00:08:34]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:34]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:08:35]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:08:36]  Thank you very much!
[00:08:37]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:38]  Next, bang a goo and sluber chops rage against the dying of the light.
[00:08:43]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:43]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:08:44]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:08:45]  Thank you very much.
[00:08:47]  Next, Poison Nano Weed Enjoyer.
[00:08:51]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:51]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:08:52]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:08:54]  Thank you very much!
[00:08:55]  And happy birthday, Jade.
[00:08:56]  I love you, too.
[00:08:57]  You're gluten-free.
[00:08:59]  Erica, thank you so much.
[00:09:00]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:09:01]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:09:02]  Thank you very much.
[00:09:02]  Thank you.
[00:09:03]  And we got a technocrat in the mix.
[00:09:05]  So thank you very much to Dan, the terrible, horrible, no-good, very-bad globalist.
[00:09:10]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:09:12]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:09:14]  Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
[00:09:16]  Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
[00:09:19]  Daddy Shark.
[00:09:20]  Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
[00:09:21]  Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
[00:09:25]  He's a loser little titty baby.
[00:09:28]  I don't want to hate black people.
[00:09:30]  I renounce Jesus Christ.
[00:09:32]  Thank you so much.
[00:09:33]  I do wonder if that's me.
[00:09:35]  What?
[00:09:35]  You?
[00:09:36]  Am I the terrible, awful, no-good globalist?
[00:09:39]  I don't think so.
[00:09:40]  I think, first off...
[00:09:42]  Not to be insulting, but Dan is a fairly common name.
[00:09:45]  No, I know.
[00:09:46]  That's what I'm saying.
[00:09:47]  That's what the complication is.
[00:09:49]  Right.
[00:09:49]  Because it very easily could be the person who is the policy wonk.
[00:09:53]  It could be a friend of theirs, or it could be me.
[00:09:56]  I don't know.
[00:09:57]  I posit you this.
[00:09:58]  I need to make a more unique name for myself.
[00:10:01]  I say this to you.
[00:10:02]  Regardless...
[00:10:04]  At the end of that, you are now Dan the technocrat, so no longer are you Dan the globalist, period.
[00:10:09]  If it is you, or if it is not you.
[00:10:12]  I don't know if these things are all that mutually exclusive, though.
[00:10:15]  You can be a globalist technocrat.
[00:10:19]  Anyway, let's start the episode.
[00:10:21]  Anyways, let's do this.
[00:10:22]  We start off at the beginning.
[00:10:24]  There's a little bit of a preamble before Nick shows up.
[00:10:26]  And there's some house cleaning that needs to go on.
[00:10:29]  And that is, there's a hierarchy change at InfoWars.
[00:10:33]  Right, right.
[00:10:33]  Because Owen's gone.
[00:10:35]  Yeah.
[00:10:36]  And we have Nick Foyntes coming in here for at least an hour and a half.
[00:10:39]  He was just on American Journal with Chase Geyser hosting it because...
[00:10:45]  Harrison is hosting the war while Owen is in federal prison for his free speech, according to the judge, in our wondrous free land.
[00:10:53]  And so I build this, because I guess we will have a debate as a debate, but really I just want to have a discussion with Nick Foyntes, so that's coming up.
[00:11:02]  I think we should get him in here about 15 after next hour.
[00:11:04]  So this isn't going to be a debate because Alex knows that Nick would mop the floor with him.
[00:11:08]  No matter the argument, no matter which side either person was on, Alex would get smoked in a debate by Nick, and he knows it.
[00:11:15]  Yeah, not even close.
[00:11:16]  At the same time, the idea of Nick and Alex debating Israel and Palestine, that's a good marketing hook.
[00:11:21]  You can see right here at the beginning that Alex tried to build this up as a debate in order to drive traffic, but he doesn't want the challenge of actually going up against Nick.
[00:11:30]  Media star Bobby Barnes tried to debate Nick a few years back, and it was...
[00:11:34]  Fucking embarrassing.
[00:11:35]  And Alex was there for that.
[00:11:37]  He knows better.
[00:11:38]  Yeah.
[00:11:38]  Chase Geyser is the new white dork hanging around InfoWars, and I guess he's gotten the call to the big times now that Owen's in jail and Harrison got bumped up to prime time.
[00:11:47]  Chase Geyser sounds so much like a poorly built clone of Owen Troy.
[00:11:53]  I don't know much about this guy, except that he hosts a podcast about how tough Americans have it, and he was hosting the other day wearing suspenders.
[00:12:00]  Ooh, Chase Geyser!
[00:12:02]  I think he should say Chase Geyser a lot.
[00:12:06]  This one brought to you by Chase Geyser.
[00:12:08]  I'm out here chasing geysers.
[00:12:10]  I like the name.
[00:12:10]  I assume the person's shit.
[00:12:13]  Yeah, I did take a screenshot of him when I tuned in.
[00:12:18]  I think it was on one of the Sunday night shows he was hosting in Alex's stead.
[00:12:22]  And I just took a screenshot and I titled it, Who the fuck is this?
[00:12:26]  Because he didn't say his name.
[00:12:29]  Oh, that's your hook, man.
[00:12:31]  That's the only thing you've got.
[00:12:33]  Who is this fucking weirdo in suspenders?
[00:12:34]  Oh, boy.
[00:12:35]  What is going on?
[00:12:37]  Yeah, it was a tough, tough look.
[00:12:39]  It made me very uncurious about him, and I stay such.
[00:12:42]  Like, you know, corn-type suspenders?
[00:12:48]  You know, you're in the fields-type suspenders?
[00:12:50]  Those kinds of things?
[00:12:51]  Or like terrible southern lawyer suspenders?
[00:12:53]  I think more office suspenders.
[00:12:55]  Ooh, that's not good.
[00:12:56]  No, but it harkens back to a better time when whites had it easier in this country.
[00:13:00]  And I think that's what Chase Geyser is trying to appeal to.
[00:13:03]  I do believe that sounds right.
[00:13:03]  So, Alex, I think...
[00:13:06]  Everything that I can tell at the beginning of this episode is him just signaling so hard, like, I don't want any trouble.
[00:13:13]  We're not going to argue.
[00:13:14]  I don't want to fight.
[00:13:14]  I know it's a debate, but I'm not actually going to challenge him.
[00:13:18]  No.
[00:13:18]  Okay.
[00:13:19]  I'm not having the debate, according to the preface that he's put out, that we are lopsided in our coverage of what's happening in the Middle East.
[00:13:31]  Now, it would be my right to be lopsided if that was the case and that was my view.
[00:13:36]  But I've actually got a 35,000-foot big global view on how the West is funding both sides of this conflict in a dialectic.
[00:13:45]  And I'm trying to get people to see the big picture.
[00:13:48]  And so hopefully I can do that.
[00:13:49]  He doesn't.
[00:13:50]  But I'll just tell him what I'm going to do when he gets in here.
[00:13:53]  I know he's here in the office probably watching now.
[00:13:56]  I was really busy about to go on air, but I saw him walking down the hall right before I went on air.
[00:14:01]  And that is, I caught about 15 minutes of him with Chase Geyser this morning on American Journal.
[00:14:07]  Chase Geyser.
[00:14:07]  And he just kept saying, Alex Jones gives unbalanced coverage.
[00:14:11]  Well, I'm not CNN that says they're giving balanced coverage of things and then doesn't.
[00:14:16]  But I really do think I give balanced coverage from my worldview.
[00:14:19]  I honestly believe the things I say and I do.
[00:14:23]  If I'm Nick and I hear this, I know that I've already won any kind of debate or disagreement we might have.
[00:14:28]  This is preemptive capitulation, because Alex knows he's fucked if he tries to disagree with Nick and it's too late to cancel.
[00:14:34]  He has to change the ultimate terms of the conversation.
[00:14:38]  So Alex has also essentially abandoned the argument about whether his coverage is lopsided or not.
[00:14:44]  It may just be that his worldview is lopsided.
[00:14:46]  Maybe the coverage is right down the middle, but his views are all biased.
[00:14:50]  How about that?
[00:14:51]  That's a weak attempt at deflection.
[00:14:53]  I appreciate that.
[00:14:54]  I like that.
[00:14:55]  I appreciate it.
[00:14:56]  Passive voice your own self.
[00:14:59]  Complete capitulation to me.
[00:15:01]  I don't know what me's gonna do, man.
[00:15:03]  That guy's crazy.
[00:15:04]  The note that I took is Nick is gonna gnaw on Alex's bones.
[00:15:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:15:10]  This is sad.
[00:15:11]  But also, enjoy the clear clarity of Alex's voice at this point.
[00:15:17]  Just keep a snapshot of that for how he sounds later.
[00:15:20]  Gotcha, gotcha.
[00:15:21]  Now, granted, it's not as bad as that, like...
[00:15:22]  AMA he did, where he was...
[00:15:24]  Sure, it's not full-on slurring both his words and using them.
[00:15:28]  But it's very notable.
[00:15:30]  So Alex, he's like, I'm so confident in what I'm about to do that I'm going to lay out my strategy on air.
[00:15:39]  And I know Nick's listening.
[00:15:40]  I'm just going to lay it all out.
[00:15:42]  So I'll ask him to repeat that statement today, and then I'm just going to go, well, here's today's stack of employers.
[00:15:47]  Let's just go through it.
[00:15:48]  And it's a ridiculous amount of criticism of Israel.
[00:15:52]  And the only thing you can call pro-Israel is, I don't want open borders and to bring all the Gazans over here.
[00:16:01]  But that's actually anti-Israel.
[00:16:04]  Because Israel threw its spokespersons and others in their government said...
[00:16:08]  Did you say spokespersons?
[00:16:09]  Nice.
[00:16:09]  They want to send the Gazans to America and Europe.
[00:16:12]  Joe Camel.
[00:16:12]  No, no, no.
[00:16:15]  So when I'm concerned about Islam spreading everywhere and taking over, how does that, because Islam doesn't like Israel, now I'm with Israel.
[00:16:24]  It's false debate.
[00:16:27]  And it's not real.
[00:16:28]  And it's very frustrating.
[00:16:30]  So for me, when I have my discussion with him slash debate, it's not about proving my point.
[00:16:37]  It's about getting people to see what I see.
[00:16:40]  And maybe you see something different than I see, but man, it doesn't matter whether you love Israel or hate Israel or you're neutral on it or indifferent.
[00:16:49]  What the hell does that have to do with bringing Muslims here from all over the world that are almost all joining the left and electing leftists to Congress and to local government and literally taking over our society?
[00:17:02]  So I guess his strategy is to show him a bunch of articles that Infowars has reposted from other outlets and then be like, can't we all just hate Muslims?
[00:17:12]  That seems to be what he's articulating as a strategy.
[00:17:16]  I'm concerned that I feel like Alex's main problem with this conflict is that Gazans will come to the United States and vote out white people.
[00:17:24]  Um, yeah.
[00:17:26]  Yeah.
[00:17:27]  Well, I mean, I don't think that that is sincerely his only problem.
[00:17:31]  No, no, no, no.
[00:17:32]  But I think that that's the only problem that he recognizes he can probably get agreement from Nick on.
[00:17:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:38]  Because that's definitely...
[00:17:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:40]  Nick hates non-whites too.
[00:17:41]  Yeah, I mean, Nick...
[00:17:42]  Spends all his time screaming about the Hart-Celler Act.
[00:17:44]  Right, right, right.
[00:17:45]  He's a very serious opponent of non-white immigration.
[00:17:49]  Hey, Nick, I know you've got a lot of words to say that might make my words sound stupid, but we both hate non-whites, right?
[00:17:56]  Especially immigration.
[00:17:57]  Don't we?
[00:17:57]  Come on, we don't want them over here.
[00:17:59]  Yeah.
[00:18:00]  And I think that if there is any sense of common ground, that's probably where it's going to be.
[00:18:07]  Yeah.
[00:18:07]  Finally, Generation X and Generation Z truly can come together.
[00:18:12]  So, Alex has an analogy in the way that he puts the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and I think that it's dumb.
[00:18:22]  I think I'm going to love it.
[00:18:22]  It'd be like if I was covering the Crips and Bloods, they were all killing each other in the 1990s, they still are today, but not as bad.
[00:18:29]  It doesn't mean you're for the Crips or the Bloods.
[00:18:32]  You know, Snoop Dogg's a Crip.
[00:18:35]  And I guess some of the other guys are Bloods.
[00:18:36]  Well, I'm not with Snoop Dogg, and I'm not with Tupac, and I'm not with any of this crap.
[00:18:41]  So I'm going to have an adult discussion here and just get past the statements about, oh, who reports on things the best.
[00:18:55]  This is a perfect time to bring in Democrips and Republicans.
[00:18:59]  Republicans?
[00:19:00]  Bring in Jesse Ventura's book?
[00:19:02]  Absolutely, yeah.
[00:19:04]  Still can't pronounce that title.
[00:19:06]  Republicans!
[00:19:08]  Such a dumb book.
[00:19:09]  I love the title.
[00:19:11]  So what Alex fails to understand, somewhat intentionally, is that comparing this conflict to a battle between gangs like the Crips and Bloods is actually wildly pro-Israel in its framing.
[00:19:20]  This is because it fails to take into consideration the power differential and the dynamic that exists between the two parties.
[00:19:26]  Could the Crips keep all the Bloods and all the civilians who weren't Bloods but were also part of the same ethnic group as them in what amounts to an open-air prison?
[00:19:34]  Could the Bloods shut off all the access to the Crips' electricity, water, and food?
[00:19:39]  If you ask yourself questions like these, you can see how reducing the conflict in the Middle East down to being like two warring gangs takes away very important detail that's necessary to take into account if you want to have any kind of realistic discussion about this.
[00:19:52]  It's a very pro-Israeli government position to look at this as two warring gangs because it removes the aspect of their overwhelming power advantage.
[00:20:01]  I suspect Alex knows this and he thinks that...
[00:20:03]  This kind of flimsy-ass argument is going to play.
[00:20:06]  If Nick were to want to counter this, it would be the easiest thing.
[00:20:11]  Yeah, it's a little bit like if the Crips and the Bloods were fighting, but the Crips had a $300 billion budget for weapons and the backing of the United States military and a complete...
[00:20:27]  Overwhelming control over the territory that was given to them by a coalition of...
[00:20:32]  Yeah.
[00:20:33]  I think you're describing a similar thing of the power imbalance that exists there.
[00:20:39]  And I think Alex is intentionally not recognizing that.
[00:20:42]  Yeah, Mike.
[00:20:43]  So, Alex is mad because he thinks...
[00:20:49]  He has this idea that Nick thinks that he doesn't criticize Israel.
[00:20:53]  And that's basically at the core of their tension.
[00:20:56]  Right.
[00:20:56]  And so he talks about that here a little bit.
[00:20:58]  Okay.
[00:20:58]  So when I saw him this morning, they said, oh, he's been saying it over and over again.
[00:21:02]  On the one segment I watched, say twice, Jones doesn't ever criticize Israel.
[00:21:08]  His coverage isn't fair.
[00:21:10]  I just saw that, and I was just like, that's not true.
[00:21:13]  And I just thought about my show yesterday or the day before or the day before that.
[00:21:16]  Now, it's true.
[00:21:18]  On October 7th, when we saw the terrible images and the invasion into Israel and that mass murder and slaughter, including a bunch of liberal Jews that moved there that are pro-Palestine and want a two-state solution or a one-state solution or think Israel should just totally integrate with the Islamic world, see how that works if they do it.
[00:21:36]  That's just suicide.
[00:21:38]  And I was very critical because Hamas launched that big bloody attack.
[00:21:43]  And then when Israel now has overreacted, I've said, this is terrible.
[00:21:47]  And it is a trap that is bad for everybody, and the children don't deserve this.
[00:21:51]  So what I say is a four-hour show every day.
[00:21:55]  Yeah, and it's convoluted generally.
[00:21:57]  But it's funny that Alex brings up October 7th and doesn't remind everyone that he was doing, he wasn't doing pro or anti-Israel coverage that day.
[00:22:04]  He was doing an infomercial for his stupid book.

=== Bugs vs. Basketball (03:48) ===

[00:22:06]  Yeah.
[00:22:07]  What about that?
[00:22:09]  Well, I mean, that was the second hour.
[00:22:11]  Right.
[00:22:12]  You know.
[00:22:12]  The second half.
[00:22:13]  Half of the show.
[00:22:14]  Well, okay.
[00:22:15]  An entire half of the show.
[00:22:16]  Okay, but I mean, you know, like, the Bulls had a good first half.
[00:22:22]  And then a bad second half.
[00:22:23]  But you're not going to be like, oh, let's remember the second half.
[00:22:26]  No, dude.
[00:22:27]  That would be like the Bulls had a good first half, and then in the second half they decided they were going to make soup.
[00:22:33]  They decided to do an infomercial for Alex's book.
[00:22:36]  Right.
[00:22:36]  They're going to do something entirely different than basketball.
[00:22:38]  I know.
[00:22:38]  Yeah.
[00:22:39]  Ridiculous.
[00:22:40]  So Alex doesn't talk about Israel all day.
[00:22:42]  Man, he's got bigger issues.
[00:22:44]  He's got bigger issues.
[00:22:45]  Like how everyone wants you to eat bugs.
[00:22:47]  If you don't see the big picture, you don't see it.
[00:22:51]  In fact, Case in point, Tyson Foods is arguably the largest meat packer in the United States, and they've got a lot of other products as well.
[00:23:01]  Arguably?
[00:23:02]  And they've signed a billion-dollar deal with Bill Gates and a consortium to put into the breading on chicken, all those TV dinners you get, you name it, bug protein, and they've got deals with the Food and Drug Administration to just give insects a code number.
[00:23:20]  On the back, so that you don't know you're eating dangerous bug chitin protein that's absolutely linked to cancer, strokes, and so many problems.
[00:23:33]  What the hell does that have to do with Israel?
[00:23:37]  Four hours on Israel.
[00:23:38]  I would jump off a cliff.
[00:23:40]  I'm trying to stop our food supply from getting taken over by a bunch of damn bugs.
[00:23:43]  You will eat some bugs.
[00:23:45]  Gotcha.
[00:23:46]  That's what I'm talking about.
[00:23:48]  That's what he's talking about.
[00:23:49]  I'm just trying...
[00:23:50]  Listen, I get your whole...
[00:23:52]  What's it from...
[00:23:53]  Okay, I know...
[00:23:54]  I heard their name sometime.
[00:23:55]  I'll talk to you about them later.
[00:23:57]  But I got bigger fish to fry.
[00:23:58]  Right.
[00:23:59]  They're bugs.
[00:23:59]  They're trying to make me eat bugs instead of fish.
[00:24:02]  Exactly.
[00:24:03]  They're trying to make...
[00:24:04]  I have bigger bugs to fry.
[00:24:05]  I have bigger bugs to fry.
[00:24:06]  So Tyson isn't making decisions based on things from Bill Gates.
[00:24:10]  What happened here...
[00:24:11]  This is the story that Alex is lying about.
[00:24:13]  They're investing in a company called Protix, which works...
[00:24:16]  In the field of insect ingredients.
[00:24:18]  This isn't about putting bugs into your Tyson chicken, and Alex 100% doesn't understand chitin.
[00:24:24]  This is about pet and animal food production.
[00:24:27]  Here's from a CNN article about their investment.
[00:24:30]  Quote, Tyson doesn't make pet food, but it does sell its animal byproducts for use in the pet food and aquaculture market, which feeds fish, the CFO said.
[00:24:40]  Byproducts like animal fats, hides, and inedible proteins, if not used or reduced, can end up in landfills.
[00:24:46]  In this case, Tyson can send what's in the stomach of a cattle it has processed to a protix facility, where it's fed to insects.
[00:24:53]  For the company, creating a larger market for this type of waste can not only reduce waste, but offer a larger revenue stream.
[00:25:00]  Tyson told CNN, quote, one feature of being in the animal protein business is having to figure out how to derive value from waste.
[00:25:07]  We saw this as an extension of our existing business.
[00:25:11]  I know that being force-fed bugs is like the hot new kink in the conspiracy world, but covering this story that way is fucking dishonest.
[00:25:19]  Not a shock that it's Alex's angle, though, because he's a lazy liar.
[00:25:22]  But that's what he's talking about, man!
[00:25:23]  He's trying to save the food supply from bugs!
[00:25:25]  You know, I can't think of anything that you could do to one of those TV dinners that would be like, oh, that's disqualifying.
[00:25:34]  Like, I know what they are.
[00:25:36]  Sure.
[00:25:37]  If I walked into one of those and they're like, oh, this one has bug proteins in it, I'd be like, yeah, that's it.

=== Naughty Conversations (04:36) ===

[00:25:43]  What difference is that from yesterday?
[00:25:45]  They're not high-quality, great things, and you know it.
[00:25:50]  I'm coming to a contract here.
[00:25:52]  There was a brand of frozen pizza.
[00:25:55]  Not frozen pizza, but it would come in those frozen dinner trays.
[00:25:58]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:25:59]  And the name of it was That's a Pizza.
[00:26:01]  Yeah.
[00:26:02]  And I'm like, you're trying too hard.
[00:26:03]  You know it's not.
[00:26:04]  If you call it That's a Pizza, you have said the answer to that is no, it is not.
[00:26:09]  Yeah.
[00:26:09]  So we get to the point where Alex brings in Nick.
[00:26:12]  And I just found this framing to be really, really troubling.
[00:26:18]  Yeah.
[00:26:18]  Big broadcast today.
[00:26:20]  We're talking to naughty people.
[00:26:23]  Nick Pointez here with us for the next hour and 38 minutes.
[00:26:27]  And then the top Russian broadcaster, Putin's buddy, joins us.
[00:26:32]  How dare us actually hear what the Russians have to say.
[00:26:34]  We're going to be evil Americans and exercise our free speech.
[00:26:38]  It's hard to look at Alex acting like that and not see him as being a little kid really trying hard to get attention.
[00:26:44]  The kids learned that it gets more attention when it misbehaves, so when it's not getting any attention, it'll say, look at me, I'm over here doing all these things I'm not supposed to do.
[00:26:52]  That's kind of the vibe.
[00:26:54]  Alex has a big misbehaving child vibe.
[00:26:58]  He wants to drop a glass onto the floor while everybody else is in the dinner room.
[00:27:03]  Because his parents, yeah, they're having a dinner party, and they're all having a nice adult conversation, and no one's paying attention to it.
[00:27:07]  It's not about me.
[00:27:09]  What are you talking about?
[00:27:10]  Who are these other adults?
[00:27:12]  And why are most of them younger than me and I'm an old baby?
[00:27:15]  I'm going to have a naughty conversation that hopefully will get people to post things about me and get some outrage attention my way.
[00:27:22]  Yeah.
[00:27:23]  Gross.
[00:27:23]  Great.
[00:27:24]  So Alex is very focused on calling Nick baby Hitler throughout this entire interview.
[00:27:31]  No, I'm not fine with that.
[00:27:31]  No, but he's saying it like fun.
[00:27:33]  Oh.
[00:27:34]  Not like accusatory.
[00:27:35]  Yeah.
[00:27:36]  The vibe is off.
[00:27:37]  Okay.
[00:27:38]  Nick, I appreciate you coming on short notice.
[00:27:40]  Yeah, great to be here.
[00:27:41]  Thanks for having me.
[00:27:42]  I will shake hands with baby Hitlers.
[00:27:47]  I had some fun with that.
[00:27:48]  Yeah, no, that was good.
[00:27:49]  That was funny.
[00:27:50]  I said on Twitter, though, I think it got me banned.
[00:27:52]  No, it wasn't!
[00:27:52]  I said, I'm really more like young Hitler or Hitler Jr.
[00:27:56]  Which is a joke, too.
[00:27:57]  I've been talking quite a bit about you in the last hour.
[00:28:00]  20 minutes, probably 20 minutes to the last hour and a half was you.
[00:28:02]  So until we go to break, in like five minutes you've got the floor.
[00:28:05]  Go ahead.
[00:28:06]  All right, yeah, well, I did watch your show today, and I watched your show yesterday, and on Saturday I saw you call me out, and I said about you that you believe in these conspiracy theories about 9-11, about mass shootings, but you said that Israel did not blow up that hospital on Friday, but it was the Palestinians.
[00:28:25]  And I said that that's interesting because, I mean, to me, directionally, We know that Israel does this sort of thing all the time.
[00:28:32]  They blow up hospitals, schools, mosques, and he's going somewhere else here.
[00:28:40]  Alex has left the room.
[00:28:42]  That was about to end.
[00:28:43]  Thanks, Alex.
[00:28:44]  He's just gone up and left.
[00:28:45]  Thanks for confirming what I thought might have happened, Alex.
[00:28:48]  Keep track of that.
[00:28:49]  That's time number one.
[00:28:52]  I see why he might get progressively drunker.
[00:28:54]  Oh, yeah.
[00:28:55]  That makes sense.
[00:28:56]  So there's some important stuff to take into consideration here, just in this first clip.
[00:28:59]  The first is how bulletproof Nick is with the Hitler stuff in Alex's arena.
[00:29:03]  They're just joking about how it was the baby and baby Hitler that got Nick into trouble.
[00:29:07]  This is like very dangerous levels of normalization of his characterization as essentially a young Hitler.
[00:29:17]  Yeah.
[00:29:17]  That's fucked up.
[00:29:18]  Yeah.
[00:29:19]  So, one of the things that's kind of interesting there is, like, whether or not, you know, regardless of the reality of what happened with the hospital, Nick does make a good point in terms of directionalness.
[00:29:32]  Like, the way that Alex constructs conspiracies, he should, based on what available information there is, his conspiracy would make sense to go the other direction.
[00:29:44]  Yeah.
[00:29:45]  And that is kind of a strange point.
[00:29:47]  It's glaring in its obviousness.
[00:29:50]  You know, like, that's not how you would...
[00:29:52]  You know how you would do things, and you don't do them like that.
[00:29:56]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:57]  So this is clearly a deliberate thing on your...
[00:30:00]  Yeah.
[00:30:00]  So Nick gets to a point about the way that the GOP and conservatives are responding to this.

=== Two Acceptable Positions (09:12) ===

[00:30:09]  And there only seems to be two varieties of response.
[00:30:12]  Okay.
[00:30:12]  So the thing that I've noticed about conservatives is this.
[00:30:16]  This is my perspective.
[00:30:18]  And I just want to clarify, I don't think you're dishonest.
[00:30:20]  I don't think I've accused you of lying or anything like that.
[00:30:23]  I've said on my show we have a disagreement.
[00:30:25]  I think we have a fundamental disagreement.
[00:30:28]  But what I've noticed is that a lot of conservatives, there's really like two acceptable positions right now.
[00:30:33]  And one acceptable position is that you're pro-Israel and you see these guys like Shapiro and Levin and Prager and the usual suspects and they all want us to go and give Israel all our money and send our aircraft carriers and we have to support the moral case for Israel.
[00:30:49]  And then on the other side, the...
[00:30:51]  Other acceptable position is you can be anti-Palestinian, where you maybe don't talk so much about Israel or the Zionist influence, and instead you say, well, the problem here is these domestic protests with Muslims, and that Hamas is like BLM, and that Hamas doesn't actually hate Israel, they just hate white people, like the left.
[00:31:11]  And to me, I look at these two acceptable positions, and they're sort of the same.
[00:31:15]  It's like heads I win, tails you lose.
[00:31:17]  You can either be pro-Israel...
[00:31:19]  Or anti-Palestine.
[00:31:21]  But you can't be in this position where you say, I'm pro-America, and actually that means that I'm actually a little more anti-Israel in this case than I am anti-Muslim.
[00:31:30]  And so that's where I'm coming from.
[00:31:31]  I want to be the guy that says...
[00:31:33]  You know, I'm actually more offended by the Zionist infiltration of America.
[00:31:38]  It doesn't mean I support mass Muslim migration, but that's, to me, the bigger urgency.
[00:31:42]  Muslims haven't taken over America.
[00:31:44]  Zionists have.
[00:31:45]  So that's where I'm coming from, and I just think maybe we disagree on that.
[00:31:50]  All right.
[00:31:51]  Nick Foyntes, AmericaFirstFoundation.org.
[00:31:54]  On Rumble, Nick J. Foyntes.
[00:31:56]  I think that Nick is pretty fairly assessing the conservative positions on the current situation, and Alex probably doesn't appreciate it because Nick is claiming that the American first, like, the high ground is his.
[00:32:07]  He has the purity of the America first position.
[00:32:11]  Alex is so befuddled to come up with something to say in response to that, he just goes into plugs for Nick.
[00:32:16]  I mean, yeah, that's...
[00:32:17]  It's also important that you do not lose sight of what Nick actually believes.
[00:32:21]  He's using the term Zionist as a proxy for Jewish because it makes things seem more political than bigoted.
[00:32:27]  You may notice that the three examples of people who are on the side of Israel in the conservative world are all high-profile Jewish men.
[00:32:34]  Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, and Dennis Prager.
[00:32:37]  It would have been super easy for him to find other conservative, non-Jewish figures who hold almost identical positions, but that doesn't serve the purposes as well.
[00:32:45]  There's these subtle things.
[00:32:46]  Well, when he says usual suspects, he doesn't mean conservative talking heads in a general sense.
[00:32:55]  Right.
[00:32:56]  And it's pretty clear.
[00:32:57]  It is really important to understand the way that dynamic plays throughout this because there are going to be moments where Nick is very clearly saying something that is atrociously anti-Semitic.
[00:33:11]  And because of the way he's saying it, Alex is just like, you bet, buddy.
[00:33:16]  Leaves it in a position where it's like, who knows?
[00:33:19]  Who knows what Alex actually believes or if he sees the crypto-ness of it?
[00:33:24]  Yeah, I feel a very strange reaction coming from so many different people that it does feel now is a great time to be a...
[00:33:35]  In Nick's position, because the incoherence of every position seems surrounding him.
[00:33:42]  It's very exploitable.
[00:33:42]  It's so easy.
[00:33:43]  Like, oh, what you're thinking doesn't make sense?
[00:33:46]  Yeah, obviously.
[00:33:48]  You throw a stone, you see five people don't make sense.
[00:33:52]  So Alex is throwing it out to break here, and I just think that this is like, if you're Nick, you're just like, I have won.
[00:33:58]  Yeah.
[00:33:58]  Like, you have nothing, Alex.
[00:34:00]  We'll come back.
[00:34:00]  I'll respond for a few minutes on what you just said.
[00:34:03]  We continue on with our topics, and then hopefully, if we weren't able to do this with Ye, we can get towards the end some other topics.
[00:34:10]  Because, see, I just don't just focus on Israel.
[00:34:12]  I'm not saying you do that, but some people do, and I'm really sick of it.
[00:34:16]  We'll be right back.
[00:34:17]  Stay with us.
[00:34:18]  Hey, I invited you on to have this debate about my positions on Israel, but I don't want to talk about it.
[00:34:24]  I don't want to talk about it all day!
[00:34:26]  I mean...
[00:34:29]  You just can't promote a boxing event where, after the first round, they start playing chess.
[00:34:37]  Yeah, I mean, it's obviously not exactly the same thing, but it would be like if I invited Alex on to debate anti-communism, and then I was like, I don't want to talk about anti-communism.
[00:34:48]  What about baking?
[00:34:50]  Right.
[00:34:50]  What about baking?
[00:34:51]  That's not why you're here.
[00:34:53]  You're here for the quote-unquote debate that you were advertising.
[00:34:57]  It's ridiculous.
[00:34:58]  You're here.
[00:34:59]  Because as you pointed out at the beginning, you got baby Hitler to talk about Israel.
[00:35:05]  That's the billing.
[00:35:07]  That's the idea.
[00:35:08]  Let's have baby Hitler talk about the creation of his most horrendous enemy.
[00:35:14]  But the reason that it was in some ways acceptable for Alex to do this is because he presented it as if it was going to be a debate and he was going to be on the other side of this debate.
[00:35:25]  Now that it's actually come time to pay this off, he knows he...
[00:35:28]  We can't handle that.
[00:35:30]  Now he's like, oh, no.
[00:35:31]  He doesn't have the goods to be the other party in that conversation.
[00:35:34]  Right.
[00:35:35]  And so now it's just like, let's not do that.
[00:35:36]  It's because it's not a bait.
[00:35:38]  It's just daddy and baby Hitler talking.
[00:35:40]  They actually call themselves that a little bit later.
[00:35:42]  Great!
[00:35:42]  So Alex has his rambling response when they come back from commercial.
[00:35:46]  Okay.
[00:35:47]  So what I'm saying is there's a larger calculus here where the globalists in the UN are bringing in all these Muslims.
[00:35:54]  They're organizing them to be socialist, communist, and to join the leftist parties, whether it's the Democratic Party here or the Labor Party in the U.K. And I see their power really rising and them joining with the left.
[00:36:08]  I've seen a few good spots like Dearborn where they said, you know, we're right-wing, we're pro-America, we're not going to put up the LGBT flag, we're going to put up the American flag.
[00:36:17]  And I see them saying, hey, Muslims protesting, saying we're not going to have, you know, drag queen pedophile time at our school.
[00:36:23]  I don't hate Muslims either.
[00:36:24]  I just see them as billions of people that main religion says, we're going to take you over.
[00:36:30]  And then I see them out of the left, and boy, I see that combination.
[00:36:33]  I'm like, woo!
[00:36:34]  So I didn't get a call, as you guys like to say.
[00:36:37]  You have two acceptable things.
[00:36:39]  Be pro-Israel to the hilt and say murder all of the Palestinians, or you can just bash the Palestinians.
[00:36:45]  I'm saying...
[00:36:46]  Like AOC saying, she's going to bring them here.
[00:36:48]  I'm like, no, you're not.
[00:36:50]  So that's not me taking the...
[00:36:52]  Oh, hold on.
[00:36:53]  What am I supposed to say now?
[00:36:55]  Yes, sir.
[00:36:57]  I mean, that is my legit...
[00:36:58]  I'm against open borders, period.
[00:37:00]  I'm on record, Nick.
[00:37:02]  So there, I just took like a minute and a half.
[00:37:04]  You can now respond.
[00:37:06]  I would say you are on record.
[00:37:09]  Yeah, so I guess his whole point that he's just trying to keep things in the safe territory of is, I don't want Muslims coming here.
[00:37:17]  Yep.
[00:37:18]  And as long as he can keep the debate in that water, there's not going to be any problems.
[00:37:24]  And I think he understands that.
[00:37:26]  And so that's why you want to try and err on this side and not let Nick really voice any of his perspectives, which are going to be trouble.
[00:37:34]  Yeah.
[00:37:35]  Yeah, you can't.
[00:37:36]  Although, I mean, but he wouldn't have to.
[00:37:41]  You know, it's almost like you would think that Nick would find a way to...
[00:37:45]  To really exploit this situation, you know, being a horrific anti-Semite.
[00:37:50]  He does.
[00:37:51]  But in a way that would be acceptable.
[00:37:54]  He does, yeah.
[00:37:56]  Oh, like people who are not otherwise white nationalists could listen to his and be like, oh, that's actually a very good point.
[00:38:02]  Totally.
[00:38:03]  Great!
[00:38:03]  Yeah.
[00:38:04]  Great, Dan!
[00:38:05]  Dan!
[00:38:05]  You know what I wanted to hear?
[00:38:07]  Those exact words!
[00:38:08]  No, I mean, I think that with one major fuck-up later that we'll get to, I think Nick could have stood to radicalize a great deal of Alex's audience with an interview like this, because he does keep things generally within that sort of crypto language that is meant to skate by people's, under the radar, as it were.
[00:38:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
[00:38:32]  No, I mean, when you see...
[00:38:35]  A conflation of a religion and ethnicity and a state happening with no political leaning.
[00:38:47]  It doesn't matter where it's coming from because that's happening from all directions.
[00:38:53]  So in his case, that is perfect camouflage.
[00:38:57]  To pretend like he's not one of those people, despite the fact that he's the worst of those people.

=== Shift Gears: Dialectic Conflicts (15:55) ===

[00:39:02]  Yeah, and I think that it helps when you have also one of Alex's great tricks.
[00:39:10]  That he's played over the years is the idea of the I'm above the left-right paradigm.
[00:39:14]  And whenever Nick is able to, as he does in this next clip, make it like, so there are these right-wing Zionist Jewish people over here, and then the left-wing ADL people over here, he has this I'm rising above that left-right paradigm.
[00:39:30]  And I just think Alex is deeply, deeply in over his head.
[00:39:35]  Yeah, I just think that this dialectic that you're talking about, it's true that there's factionalism in Israel.
[00:39:41]  It's true that there's factionalism in Jewry.
[00:39:44]  But they are all on the same team fundamentally.
[00:39:47]  And we know this because ADL...
[00:39:50]  I'm going to center the camera.
[00:39:51]  When I get up, you're not bad.
[00:39:53]  So the ADL, which you mentioned, they've had some of their employees tearing down these posters, but then the ADL fired them.
[00:40:00]  Jonathan Greenblatt went on MSNBC.
[00:40:02]  And he demanded that they fire some of their pro-Palestinian commentators, which MSNBC then did.
[00:40:09]  Now, a couple months ago, there was a big dispute between some of these right-wing Zionist Jews and the ADL, and people like myself and Keith Woods said the ADL is a problem because it's a Jewish group that's clearly controlling speech on social media.
[00:40:23]  You know, Greenblatt goes and brags and says he's got a line in with YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and he tells them what to ban and what not to ban.
[00:40:31]  We said, so we should get rid of the ADL.
[00:40:33]  Then all these Zionist Jews come in and say, well, the problem isn't the ADL.
[00:40:37]  They said the ADL has a noble mission, which is to fight anti-Semitism.
[00:40:42]  They said the problem with the ADL is that they attack people that are pro-Zionist.
[00:40:46]  And so, in other words, the right-wing Jews, they don't really have a problem that a Jewish group controls speech.
[00:40:52]  They have a problem that there's friendly fire sometimes.
[00:40:55]  Because now, fast forward a month later, and all the Zionist critics of the ADL and the ADL, are on the same side supporting Israel.
[00:41:03]  And Shapiro, who was criticizing the ADL like the ZOA did a year ago, he's now retweeting the ADL.
[00:41:09]  And the ADL's on MSNBC saying, you've got to fire all your pro-Palestine commentators.
[00:41:14]  And so I'm a guy that's looking at this dialectic where you're either part of a Zionist right or you're part of this Jewish left, and I'm in the middle saying that I'm an America First Christian, and I don't want to be influenced by Zionists or by...
[00:41:29]  Atheist, liberal Jews at the ADL.
[00:41:33]  And that's why I say there's this false dialectic that's being given, which you say you're not participating in.
[00:41:39]  But, again, there's a lot of people they want to focus on.
[00:41:42]  And I watch your show.
[00:41:44]  You focus on the Muslim immigration, and you say, well, they're sending them to America.
[00:41:48]  But there's Muslim refugees being created by Israel's wars.
[00:41:52]  Yeah, and the head of the ADL promotes open borders, so let's shift gears.
[00:41:58]  So all jury is on the same page, despite the appearance of fictionalism.
[00:42:02]  Good to know.
[00:42:03]  Also, Alex clearly is either uncomfortable sitting there with Nick, or he had to fire his camera person, because he just keeps getting up to adjust the shot, allegedly.
[00:42:11]  Like, was Owen running the camera?
[00:42:14]  What's going on here?
[00:42:15]  I mean, that's possible.
[00:42:16]  But also, I would find it very...
[00:42:18]  I genuinely believe it would be discomforting to sit next to Nick Puentes for any length of time.
[00:42:23]  Maybe.
[00:42:23]  I would be more worried about sitting next to Alex.
[00:42:26]  Just from a personal safety standpoint.
[00:42:28]  Agreed.
[00:42:28]  Agreed.
[00:42:29]  Nick is a lot of things, but I don't think he's going to take a swing at me.
[00:42:32]  Discomforting, though, in the sense of like...
[00:42:34]  Emotionally?
[00:42:35]  He's got an aura of horror.
[00:42:38]  Yeah.
[00:42:40]  Happy Halloween, Jordan.
[00:42:42]  Happy Halloween.
[00:42:43]  All right.
[00:42:44]  Okay.
[00:42:44]  I also think that Alex had an employee who was tasked with bringing him booze, and maybe that person got fired.
[00:42:51]  That makes sense.
[00:42:51]  So he has to go off to the side.
[00:42:53]  I would take that, yep.
[00:42:55]  So Alex should not want to shift gears after what Nick said, because a lot of what he said doesn't match up with his worldview, and it should require some kind of back and forth.
[00:43:03]  Nick is directly telling Alex that his position is not good, and Alex is just ignoring that, deflecting by saying that the head of the ADO is for...
[00:43:10]  And then Alex was like, aha, but my safe harbor point.
[00:43:26]  Let's shift gears.
[00:43:27]  You almost couldn't be a better platform being offered to Nick to allow him to suck up Alex's followers.
[00:43:34]  If you're just watching this, you're seeing a poised kid who clearly knows his stuff, who can articulate his positions in a way that doesn't involve distraction and yelling.
[00:43:41]  And then you have Alex.
[00:43:43]  But like I said, he clearly, Nick fucks up with the InfoWars audience a little bit later in a way that is spectacular.
[00:43:48]  What Nick is doing is very clearly signaling to his more extreme audience while making things palatable enough for most of Alex's audience to accept.
[00:43:56]  If you look at the comments on Alex's site, it's clear that the message was received by at least some of the audience.
[00:44:01]  Here's one.
[00:44:02]  Quote, Jones diverted away every opportunity about the jail.
[00:44:05]  I saw an expert distractor controlling the narrative by flattery and other tricks.
[00:44:10]  People need to understand how...
[00:44:11]  Deep the Jewry is in every segment of American life.
[00:44:14]  This is what Nick's underlying message is about, though it's packaged in what's socially acceptable packaging, like complaints about the ADL and all this.
[00:44:23]  It's become so mainstream and common within Alex's worldview that it provides incredible cover for what Nick is actually about.
[00:44:32]  Yeah.
[00:44:33]  Just that Jews should not be essentially allowed to have anything in the United States.
[00:44:38]  Yep.
[00:44:39]  Yep.
[00:44:40]  I mean, what else is there to say?
[00:44:42]  That's what's going on.
[00:44:43]  It's unfortunate.
[00:44:45]  There's no defense.
[00:44:47]  There's no defense against it.
[00:44:48]  What are you going to do?
[00:44:49]  So Alex understands that, hey, I complain about the ADL all the time.
[00:44:54]  Nick seems to not like the ADL, too.
[00:44:56]  Let's ride.
[00:44:57]  Let's do this.
[00:44:58]  So let's shift gears.
[00:44:59]  Just because some of these groups have agendas doesn't mean when I have an agenda of not having open borders and bringing in new Democrat voters that are brainwashed against the country.
[00:45:08]  That's my perspective, and it isn't through the lens that you're saying.
[00:45:12]  So let's expand on that.
[00:45:14]  The ADL is, along with the Southern Property Law Center, creates the curriculum on record, it's come out in Congress, that teaches in schools, we're talking fifth graders, first graders, that it's inherently bad to be white.
[00:45:26]  You have an original sin and you're bad.
[00:45:28]  Well, that's like Hitler saying you're bad because you're Jewish.
[00:45:31]  So when I said the head of the ADL is the closest thing to Hitler I've seen, Not that people go, oh, you're saying he's a Nazi.
[00:45:38]  How ridiculous.
[00:45:39]  No, I'm saying China is very race-based.
[00:45:42]  So I said, Xi Jinping and his policies are pretty close to Hitler.
[00:45:45]  And then when the ADL is out teaching that Christians and Catholics are inherently bad, and that critical race theory to first graders teaching them that they're bad because of their color is incredible child abuse, but they're also on the left trying to teach kids they're another gender to cut their...
[00:46:01]  Genitals often sterilize them.
[00:46:03]  And your bad kids, because the Earth's dying, and they show them videos of polar bears that can't swim, which isn't true, and say they're all done.
[00:46:09]  I'm sorry, what?
[00:46:10]  The numbers are up five times.
[00:46:11]  Humans are bad.
[00:46:12]  Humans are ugly.
[00:46:13]  You're all guilty.
[00:46:14]  White people are the worst of all the groups.
[00:46:16]  And, you know, all this crap.
[00:46:18]  And then I'm literally, when they have, you know, ADL galas, brother, they ain't talking about you.
[00:46:24]  They're calling for my arrest, and they're behind the law firms trying to, like, $20 million this year they spent trying to shut us down as in the federal filings.
[00:46:32]  So, let me tell you, the proofs of the puddings, okay, they are literally bashing and attacking, and their main target is me and Trump.
[00:46:41]  The pudding's in the eating, buddy.
[00:46:43]  So, if I understand correctly, I have invited Nick Fuentes on to have a debate where I tell him, How hard I have it.
[00:46:54]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:46:55]  He's flailing.
[00:46:56]  He's trying not to drown, basically.
[00:46:58]  So, this is just standard extreme right-wing talking points about how tough white people have it, and then a self-aggrandizing speech about how much more dangerous Alex is to the ADL than Nick.
[00:47:08]  If I were Nick, I would just ignore all of this and move on to the next point, because none of it even requires a response.
[00:47:15]  But, there's an interesting dynamic that's going on here, and it's clearly that Alex...
[00:47:20]  Is personally offended that Nick would suggest that he's controlled opposition.
[00:47:23]  Yeah, 100%.
[00:47:24]  That's basically Alex's main mission, is to push back against this idea that...
[00:47:29]  Because Nick said that he got the call on his show.
[00:47:32]  On Nick's show, he said Alex got the call, obviously from the Jewish people.
[00:47:38]  His Jewish handlers.
[00:47:39]  I think Nick actually laid that out specifically.
[00:47:42]  Yeah, that makes sense.
[00:47:43]  The Jewish handlers called him and told him, hey, you've got to turn on Nick and yay.
[00:47:47]  All right.
[00:47:48]  And so Alex is offended by that.
[00:47:50]  Sure.
[00:47:50]  And I think that the main point of the interview is actually about, like, my name is my name.
[00:47:57]  He's turning into Marlo.
[00:47:58]  You were mean to me.
[00:47:59]  Yeah.
[00:48:00]  And now I am going to try and be mean back to you.
[00:48:03]  But all Nick really has to do is go, neener, neener, neener, Grandpa.
[00:48:08]  And then, you know.
[00:48:10]  Alex explains that, like, essentially that feeling of, like, I'm not controlled opposition.
[00:48:14]  And then Nick deals with that in record time.
[00:48:17]  Yeah.
[00:48:17]  So I have a very, quite frankly, sophisticated understanding of dialectics.
[00:48:21]  And maybe it's over people's heads.
[00:48:24]  I'm not trying to be arrogant.
[00:48:25]  And so tell me how I communicate this properly to people.
[00:48:29]  But I'm sure as hell not getting a call and I'm not part of the group that's controlled.
[00:48:34]  I literally see Jews as diverse people.
[00:48:37]  I see all these groups as diverse people.
[00:48:39]  And I'm really trying to get people to say, hey, let's get bugs off the menu.
[00:48:43]  Let's not cut.
[00:48:44]  The coal-powered plants off.
[00:48:46]  Let's not tell kids they're inherently evil because of what color they are.
[00:48:49]  I'm opposing the globalist agenda, whoever's behind it.
[00:48:53]  I mean, the thing is about Jews is that what defines them is they reject Jesus Christ.
[00:48:58]  Whether they're liberal atheists or they're religious Jews, they don't believe in Jesus.
[00:49:03]  And the only reason for what it's worth that I said that you got the call in sort of a glib way is because after Ye and I appeared on your show, you went on Steve Crowder two days later.
[00:49:13]  And said that me and Kanye were gay for Hitler and you went on this rant about how much you hate Hitler and said that, you know, we fetishize Hitler and all this sort of stuff.
[00:49:23]  And it just seemed to me it came across like damage control.
[00:49:26]  Now, maybe that...
[00:49:27]  I love Hitler.
[00:49:30]  Oh, baby.
[00:49:31]  I mean, maybe you don't fetishize him, but yay, I mean, was drooling over him.
[00:49:34]  Well, I think that he likes the controversy, and at the same time, there's a lot of people that are fascinated with Hitler.
[00:49:41]  Michael Jackson was fascinated with Hitler.
[00:49:43]  John Kennedy was fascinated with Hitler.
[00:49:44]  I mean, evil can be fascinating.
[00:49:46]  Here's the deal.
[00:49:47]  Here's the deal.
[00:49:48]  So I think it's a very interesting thing for Nick to just be able to be like, look...
[00:49:55]  Your feelings were hurt.
[00:49:56]  Why'd you take that so seriously?
[00:49:58]  Yeah.
[00:49:58]  Like, you were talking shit about me.
[00:50:00]  I was talking shit about you.
[00:50:01]  Yeah.
[00:50:02]  Yeah, it was classic shit talk.
[00:50:03]  Yeah, come on, man.
[00:50:04]  But Nick is such a worm.
[00:50:06]  Yeah, he is.
[00:50:06]  I get it.
[00:50:07]  Yeah.
[00:50:07]  I mean, he's such a worm.
[00:50:10]  Oh, man.
[00:50:12]  Oh, I want to bully you!
[00:50:14]  I want to bully you so bad!
[00:50:17]  It's probably something that he evoked in a lot of people based on the videos that I've seen of him when he was in high school.
[00:50:24]  Yeah, I mean, it makes me feel guilty, but it is truly, like, it is his fault.
[00:50:30]  He needs to be bullied.
[00:50:31]  I'm sorry.
[00:50:32]  You've made your choices, man.
[00:50:34]  You wake up every morning and you do that.
[00:50:37]  Well...
[00:50:37]  I always hate to agree with you because I'm so anti-bullying, and I stand by that position, but I do think that Nick's behavior does elicit a reaction of hostility in people.
[00:50:49]  You made your bed!
[00:50:50]  And it's because there's a severe passive aggression in it.
[00:50:54]  Yeah!
[00:50:54]  And he probably knows that, and it's used as a tool in terms of eliciting outrage from people.
[00:51:02]  And then he uses our fake, his sympathy bullshit, where, oh no, you shouldn't be mean to me, I'm just little old worm!
[00:51:09]  Fuck him!
[00:51:10]  Fuck him!
[00:51:11]  Fair.
[00:51:12]  Yeah.
[00:51:13]  So, look, we talked about Hitler a little bit here.
[00:51:17]  Already.
[00:51:17]  Great.
[00:51:17]  And so why not?
[00:51:18]  Yeah.
[00:51:18]  Why not talk a little more?
[00:51:20]  About time.
[00:51:20]  Now, here's an interesting thing.
[00:51:21]  What?
[00:51:22]  Alex seems to be the one who wants to talk about Hitler now.
[00:51:25]  Well, now that he can...
[00:51:27]  Yeah, Nick doesn't seem all that interested.
[00:51:29]  I reject the ADL saying America's Hitler, and if Christians don't do it, we say you're Hitler.
[00:51:34]  Screw the ADL, screw that guilt, screw the white guilt, go to hell.
[00:51:38]  Fuck you, ADL!
[00:51:40]  But at the same time, I've actually done a study.
[00:51:42]  Okay.
[00:51:43]  It's one of the latest books.
[00:51:44]  I didn't bring this in because you're here.
[00:51:45]  Did it study?
[00:51:47]  Hitler Speaks, a series of political conversations with Adolf Hitler.
[00:51:50]  That's not a study.
[00:51:51]  Nick, how many books you've written are read by Hitler or about Hitler?
[00:51:55]  I haven't read books.
[00:51:56]  I'm not a Hitler fetishist.
[00:51:57]  I've read about, well, so here I am saying I'm a Hitler fetishist.
[00:51:59]  No, I wanted to understand who Hitler was.
[00:52:00]  I've read probably 200 books on Hitler.
[00:52:02]  Whoa.
[00:52:03]  That's too many, man.
[00:52:05]  That's just too many.
[00:52:06]  Why do you think the German high command tried to kill him in 1943 and 1944?
[00:52:08]  Tell me.
[00:52:09]  Because he was out of control and going to kill everybody and ended up killing 22 million Germans and 28 million Russians.
[00:52:16]  But is that why Hitler is canceled today, for that reason?
[00:52:19]  Hitler was a messianic maniac that thought he was God.
[00:52:23]  He was anti-Christian.
[00:52:25]  I think, though, that people don't like him today because he was anti-Jewish.
[00:52:30]  Good point.
[00:52:31]  That is a big part of it.
[00:52:33]  I was wondering, why was Hitler canceled today?
[00:52:37]  Yeah.
[00:52:37]  Why is he canceled today?
[00:52:38]  Shadow banned.
[00:52:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:41]  Yeah, Alex is weird.
[00:52:43]  I like that moment, though, of the, like, why do you think the German high command tried to kill?
[00:52:48]  Why don't you tell me?
[00:52:48]  Yeah.
[00:52:49]  That is the smuggest.
[00:52:51]  He's a guy who's doing almost like a rope-a-dope.
[00:52:54]  Yeah.
[00:52:54]  You know, he's just letting Alex burn out some of this energy.
[00:52:58]  Yeah, go for it, buddy.
[00:52:59]  Yeah.
[00:53:00]  Oh, God.
[00:53:01]  Did you have a little too much sugar today, kid?
[00:53:02]  All right.
[00:53:03]  You just have a little runaround.
[00:53:05]  By sugar, I mean whatever it is you're doing when you're fixing the cameras.
[00:53:09]  Oh, you're fixing the camera, eh?
[00:53:10]  Yeah.
[00:53:10]  All right.
[00:53:11]  So Alex is like, hey, man, can you imagine what it would be like if Hitler was in charge?
[00:53:16]  And Nick can very easily say, that's not what I want.
[00:53:19]  What do you think the world would be like under Hitler's view today?
[00:53:24]  Most of us would be dead.
[00:53:25]  I mean, I'd be here, but, you know.
[00:53:27]  But I'm not arguing for Hitler.
[00:53:29]  I think what both Ye and I were expressing is that there is this Jewish control matrix which puts Hitler in a special category.
[00:53:36]  He wasn't the only dictator.
[00:53:38]  He wasn't the only one who had concentration camps in the war.
[00:53:42]  No, it's true.
[00:53:42]  I mean, Andrew Jackson's sister and brother died in a British concentration camp.
[00:53:46]  Yeah, and Eisenhower ran concentration camps against the Germans, and we interned the Japanese, and on and on.
[00:53:51]  That's right.
[00:53:52]  Eisenhower committed a real crime.
[00:53:53]  He probably starved four million Germans to death.
[00:53:55]  Yeah, and you know, because you're an expert.
[00:53:57]  I mean, you understand this, but Hitler's in a special category because the Holocaust narrative is what casts a shadow over the entire American political landscape.
[00:54:06]  And, you know, we have to talk about Jewish power right and left.
[00:54:09]  You can say F the ADL, but would you say F the ZOA, the Zionist Organization of America, with Mort Klein?
[00:54:16]  You know, I get Jews thinking they deserve it.
[00:54:20]  Israel's tiny.
[00:54:21]  Don't.
[00:54:21]  And I know a lot of Jews that are really nice, smart people.
[00:54:24]  Stop.
[00:54:25]  And they're not going anywhere.
[00:54:25]  They have nuclear weapons.
[00:54:26]  Oh, God.
[00:54:27]  And so I'd like to see the wars end.
[00:54:29]  I'd like to see it not be a football issue.
[00:54:31]  And so I'm a realist, too.
[00:54:34]  Israel's not going anywhere.
[00:54:36]  And the Arab countries won't take the people out of the West Bank or Gaza because they want to keep the thing going.

=== Fashionable Agendas? (11:06) ===

[00:54:42]  So, yeah, I mean, it's true.
[00:54:44]  I don't have a hard-on for the Jews.
[00:54:47]  I don't have a hard-on for the average Jew.
[00:54:48]  He's just patriotic and their people and their thing for their club.
[00:54:52]  It's like Crips and Bloods.
[00:54:54]  Oh, we're back to that.
[00:54:54]  I'm not in either gang.
[00:54:55]  Okay, cool.
[00:54:56]  Back to that.
[00:54:57]  Great.
[00:54:57]  To be clear, that wasn't what Nick and Ye's point was.
[00:55:00]  This is a nice way of dressing up their point in packaging that Nick thinks is unassailable, meant to hide his very assailable actual position.
[00:55:07]  Yeah.
[00:55:07]  It is somewhat fair, as a point, that Hitler wasn't the only bad leader who did awful things to innocent people.
[00:55:13]  That's fine.
[00:55:14]  You win this round!
[00:55:15]  The Holocaust does resonate with people a little bit more than some other instances of attempted genocide, and I think there's some reasons you could come up with to explain that dynamic.
[00:55:24]  One is that it coincided with one of the most traumatic wars in history that involved most of the world.
[00:55:31]  The fact that this program of extermination was happening simultaneously with the world war is something that makes it more impactful to people and has more direct contact with a ton of other countries' actual experience.
[00:55:43]  There's also the fact that it was a program of extermination being carried out by a major industrialized country.
[00:55:48]  So there's a number of factors that play into this that...
[00:55:52]  That you could use to say, this does feel a little bit different to people.
[00:55:56]  And I don't know if that's fair or not, or if it reflects a negative impulse in people's minds.
[00:56:04]  I'm not sure.
[00:56:05]  Because there are certainly more atrocities than the Holocaust that have happened.
[00:56:09]  Sure, sure.
[00:56:10]  But I don't think that Nick's analysis is meaningful.
[00:56:13]  No, no.
[00:56:14]  I mean, you know.
[00:56:15]  The idea is, like, let's keep it at the forefront so it doesn't happen again.
[00:56:20]  Right.
[00:56:20]  But considering the circumstances, that doesn't do shit, so who knows?
[00:56:26]  So as to this claim that Eisenhower starved like a million Germans today, I think Alex said four million, but that's not proven.
[00:56:32]  This is a claim that originates with a 1989 book called Other Losses by a guy named James Bach.
[00:56:39]  The book argues that starvation and disease deaths intentionally inflicted on German POWs were hidden in the Other Losses statistic in Army reporting.
[00:56:48]  Many historians have said this is complete bullshit, and that the other losses category includes people who were released or who were transferred to other camps, and that there's no evidence that there is secretly a stat of starved Germans.
[00:57:00]  That would be a very strange stat to keep.
[00:57:02]  The author has no training or expertise in the field, and the claims made in his book are not accepted by the vast bulk of historians.
[00:57:09]  There are some red flags there, I would say.
[00:57:11]  His book is super important among neo-Nazi types, though.
[00:57:15]  Another red flag!
[00:57:16]  They love to point to this book.
[00:57:19]  of Hitler and the Third Reich, which is basically what Alex and Nick are literally doing here.
[00:57:24]  Sure.
[00:57:25]  You may notice at the end there, Nick asks if Alex would, say, fuck the right-wing Jewish organizations like he did with the ADL.
[00:57:31]  And instead of answering...
[00:57:33]  Alex jumps right into his talking points about how Israel isn't going away, how this is like the Bloods and the Crips.
[00:57:39]  If you're Nick sitting there, you have to feel pretty confident.
[00:57:42]  He directly refused to answer a direct question you asked him.
[00:57:46]  The person sitting across from you is floundering.
[00:57:51]  It's one of the earliest things, and it's one of the things that I still hate so much about growing up where I did.
[00:58:01]  The worst people refuse to say the F word.
[00:58:05]  The worst people just fucking willing to watch puppies die.
[00:58:11]  People were like, hey, don't swear.
[00:58:13]  And that's just Nick Fuentes just being like, are you willing to say F the age?
[00:58:18]  Fuck you.
[00:58:19]  Fuck you.
[00:58:20]  Fucking fuck you, you fuck.
[00:58:22]  And it's like Alex used to be.
[00:58:24]  Like, don't say piss on the show.
[00:58:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:58:25]  No, I'm so fucking sick of that shit.
[00:58:27]  I will say, like, incredibly hateful things and demonize immigrants, but don't say damn on the show.
[00:58:33]  This is a family show.
[00:58:35]  It is just one of those very first signifiers of, oh.
[00:58:38]  There are things that are meaningful and things that aren't, and the people who care about things that aren't meaningful are usually fucking evil.
[00:58:44]  But I also would argue that there's probably a decent chance they don't really care about that, and this is what Paul Joseph Watson would call virtue signaling.
[00:58:52]  Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm talking about.
[00:58:54]  Okay, fair enough.
[00:58:55]  So Alex believes that the ADL stir in the pot in order to make more money.
[00:59:00]  Sure.
[00:59:01]  And then Nick says some bad stuff.
[00:59:03]  Here's the thing.
[00:59:04]  I think you're an honest guy.
[00:59:05]  I've always said that.
[00:59:06]  I think you're an honest guy.
[00:59:07]  You do have a sophisticated worldview for 20, 30 years.
[00:59:11]  You've been putting that out, and that's why I've always been a fan of yours.
[00:59:14]  I think where we disagree is that you see some benefit to allying with the Zionist Jews, and I'm against both the right and the left wings of Jewry in the world.
[00:59:25]  I think that they're both toxic.
[00:59:26]  Well, let's be clear.
[00:59:29]  I've been smart enough when the ADL attacks me and these groups to not then blame all Jews.
[00:59:35]  The ADL is getting record contributions right now.
[00:59:38]  Come on.
[00:59:39]  They go out and stir up stuff and put bad agendas with Jews' name on it to get attacked to get more money.
[00:59:45]  So, I'm not allied, quote, with...
[00:59:50]  Whatever group you're saying.
[00:59:52]  Zionists.
[00:59:52]  I think you...
[00:59:53]  Well, because when you say that they're after...
[00:59:55]  When you say the World Economic Forum's after Netanyahu and Israel's diverse, and it's true, Soros and the ADL are against Netanyahu.
[01:00:02]  I don't think that makes Netanyahu good.
[01:00:04]  I don't think that makes the Zionists good.
[01:00:06]  Okay, let's just be clear.
[01:00:07]  That's what we're getting at.
[01:00:08]  What are we getting at?
[01:00:10]  Actually, let's be clear.
[01:00:12]  What are we getting at?
[01:00:14]  What exactly are we getting at?
[01:00:16]  Because I know what Nick's getting at.
[01:00:17]  Let's be clear.
[01:00:18]  I know exactly what Nick's getting at.
[01:00:20]  Yeah, big time.
[01:00:23]  Alex.
[01:00:24]  Careful here, buddy.
[01:00:25]  What are we getting at?
[01:00:26]  Yeah.
[01:00:27]  So, I think that what Alex is doing there is the World Economic Forum is brought up.
[01:00:33]  Yeah.
[01:00:33]  And so, like, aha, here, I'll jump to my globalist stuff.
[01:00:36]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:00:37]  But Nick doesn't care.
[01:00:39]  And Nick, like, one of the reasons that I find him an interesting figure in this Infowars space...
[01:00:45]  One of the reasons why, way back when Nick first started coming around, it was my opinion that Alex should stay the fuck away from him, and that's because Nick has a freedom about him.
[01:00:55]  In the same way that, like, Max Kaiser is able to talk shit to Alex to his face, Nick doesn't care about Alex's stuff.
[01:01:03]  He has his own brand, he has his own thing, he has his streaming platform that he uses, and he will not go along with things just to appease Alex as someone who's giving him a space to talk.
[01:01:18]  He will exploit this for whatever it's worth, but it's humiliating for him to not stand by his positions.
[01:01:26]  And so his position is, this Bilderberg stuff, World Economic Forum, Whatever.
[01:01:33]  Yeah.
[01:01:34]  It's Jewish people.
[01:01:35]  Yeah.
[01:01:35]  Yeah.
[01:01:36]  And Alex just needs him to not be like that.
[01:01:40]  Right.
[01:01:40]  Because Alex needs the game.
[01:01:42]  And Nick won't go along with it.
[01:01:44]  Nick doesn't play the game.
[01:01:45]  Nah.
[01:01:46]  Can you quote it?
[01:01:47]  Because I remember you said Alex needs to focus on Zionism and this and that, not on Bilderberg and things that don't matter.
[01:01:53]  Brother, they're making, they're calling the shots.
[01:01:55]  I mean, they got the big swinging dick.
[01:01:59]  So, I mean, you don't know that?
[01:02:01]  I think that's where the disagreement lies, because you put the blame at the feet of Klaus Schwab and Bilderberg as an institution.
[01:02:09]  And BlackRock, which should feed into your thing.
[01:02:11]  He's Jewish, Larry Fink.
[01:02:12]  Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
[01:02:12]  Okay, well, that's the top of the pyramid.
[01:02:15]  Yeah, and Larry Fink is Jewish, and Larry Fink has responded to this.
[01:02:18]  Yeah, but I mean, Klaus Schwab's the grandson and son of top, the number three Hitler's dude.
[01:02:23]  I mean, he's the top man.
[01:02:25]  It's not Jew.
[01:02:26]  I'm my own grandpa.
[01:02:27]  It's dehumanization.
[01:02:29]  I mean, you listen, you all know Harari, literally saying humanity's over, we're scum, we're nothing.
[01:02:34]  It sounds, Hitler was saying kill most groups, which was bad.
[01:02:38]  Harari says we're all done.
[01:02:41]  I mean, that's like Hitler 10.0.
[01:02:45]  Yeah.
[01:02:45]  Well, and I think the transhumanist thing is fashionable, but...
[01:02:49]  When you talk about Bilderberg, one of the members of the steering committee is Jewish.
[01:02:54]  One out of the two of the co-chairs of the steering committee is Jewish.
[01:02:56]  And go through that.
[01:02:57]  I'll give you the floor and I'm going to shut up.
[01:02:58]  Wait, you want him to go through that?
[01:02:59]  Are you saying that you want him to list every Jew in the World Economic Forum?
[01:03:04]  Because that's essentially what the game Nick is going to play is.
[01:03:07]  He's willing to and he knows.
[01:03:09]  He's going to say, ah, yes, your conspiracy infrastructure and all this stuff that your narratives are built on is actually mine.
[01:03:19]  Yeah.
[01:03:19]  Oof.
[01:03:20]  Yeah.
[01:03:21]  Yeah, it is one of those things, you know, like...
[01:03:24]  Also, real quick, I love the moment, because I'm going to forget this if I don't say it.
[01:03:28]  Sure.
[01:03:28]  The moment where he says, transhuman is fashionable.
[01:03:31]  Yeah.
[01:03:32]  And Alex just exhales heavily.
[01:03:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:34]  There's just a...
[01:03:35]  That didn't work.
[01:03:38]  He just has, like, basically delegitimized one of my entire...
[01:03:46]  Terror conspiracies.
[01:03:47]  With a pat on the head.
[01:03:49]  Yeah, it's fashionable.
[01:03:50]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:51]  People are having a lot of fun with that these days.
[01:03:53]  Yeah, I'm sure you're...
[01:03:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:55]  That's very good.
[01:03:55]  This goddamn 20-something-year-old kid is clowning me.
[01:03:59]  Well, I mean, that's the problem, though, is that everybody who gets heat for not playing the game...
[01:04:08]  Eventually, the game comes to them as like, would you want to play?
[01:04:11]  And they were like, oh, we wanted to play from the jump.
[01:04:13]  Right.
[01:04:13]  That would have been awesome to play the game.
[01:04:15]  Yeah, and that's what Alex is used to dealing with.
[01:04:17]  So Alex is trying to do that, and Nick is like, no, I actually don't want to play the game, and everyone is fucking blown away by this fact.
[01:04:24]  Right, and we saw that almost be the entire dynamic of the Yay interview that they did, was constant offers of like, don't you see this is what we're supposed to be doing?
[01:04:35]  This is how this is supposed to go.
[01:04:37]  I mean, it is like the idea of somebody actually foregoing money in order to not play the game blows their fucking brains out.
[01:04:46]  But that's bullshit because he's foregoing this money.
[01:04:50]  Right.
[01:04:50]  Nick is still getting money.
[01:04:51]  No, no, no.
[01:04:52]  He's still getting money from large donors and Bitcoin and shit.
[01:04:55]  Sure, but that's like the idea that the game brings to you, you know?
[01:05:00]  Right.
[01:05:00]  If you play, you will get...
[01:05:02]  All the money.
[01:05:03]  Right.
[01:05:03]  But it's an illusion.
[01:05:05]  Nick knows it's an illusion.
[01:05:07]  Yeah, and it can be taken away from you the moment the game decides it should be.
[01:05:10]  Yeah.
[01:05:10]  So Alex wants Nick to get into this for some reason.
[01:05:13]  Great.
[01:05:14]  And he decides to leave again.
[01:05:15]  Ooh.
[01:05:16]  I'll give you the rest of the segment.
[01:05:17]  We've got eight minutes.
[01:05:18]  But respond to me.
[01:05:20]  You said, oh, why is he focusing on stuff that doesn't matter and everything that quote isn't powerful?
[01:05:26]  Let me tell you.
[01:05:27]  The WF and the Bilderberg group, I mean, they are calling these shots.

=== Host vs. Antithesis (07:22) ===

[01:05:32]  And they don't like Netanyahu for whatever reason.
[01:05:35]  I think because like Trump, he's trying to set his own thing up.
[01:05:37]  Go ahead.
[01:05:38]  I'll set up.
[01:05:38]  Yeah, so our disagreement back then is I said that you tend to focus...
[01:05:42]  I got a earpiece in my ear?
[01:05:44]  Okay.
[01:05:44]  I'm going to get a fresh cup of coffee.
[01:05:45]  I'm listening to every word.
[01:05:46]  A fresh cup of coffee?
[01:05:47]  Yeah, that's cool.
[01:05:48]  You're hosting right now.
[01:05:49]  Amazing.
[01:05:49]  Hey, baby Hitler hosts the show.
[01:05:52]  There's your headline.
[01:05:54]  There's your headline.
[01:05:56]  Yeah, coffee.
[01:05:57]  Sure.
[01:05:57]  Believe it.
[01:05:57]  Yeah, I buy it.
[01:05:59]  Coffee.
[01:05:59]  Got to get a fresh cup of coffee.
[01:06:01]  Yeah.
[01:06:01]  While you go ahead and say your horrible shit, I am going to disappear for a minute.
[01:06:08]  It is very convenient that as the worst of things come out of your mouth, my picture will not be next to you.
[01:06:17]  Yeah, let's see about that.
[01:06:18]  I resign, Nick.
[01:06:19]  You're the new host.
[01:06:20]  How would you like that?
[01:06:21]  The Nazi takeover of...
[01:06:23]  No, of course not.
[01:06:24]  No, I'm America first, but...
[01:06:26]  Sure.
[01:06:27]  Well, he can hear me in the earpiece, but the difference of opinion is where the true seat of power actually is.
[01:06:33]  And the Bilderberg Group and the World Economic Forum, these are institutions which host multinational companies and representatives from governments.
[01:06:42]  So Bilderberg does not, in my opinion, have any real power.
[01:06:46]  The power is the people that attend Bilderberg.
[01:06:48]  The World Economic Forum doesn't have power.
[01:06:50]  The power lies in the people that attend.
[01:06:53]  The World Economic Forum.
[01:06:54]  You know, what is the World Economic Forum?
[01:06:56]  It's a meeting of 3,000 multinational corporation leaders and government officials.
[01:07:02]  The power rests in those people.
[01:07:04]  And like Alex said, the technocrats, the planners.
[01:07:07]  Now, when you look at the demographics of who those people are, the top hedge fund managers, the people that are running the major companies, and Larry Fink of BlackRock, there's a large Jewish representation.
[01:07:18]  There's a huge overlap between the people that attend Bilderberg.
[01:07:22]  And by the way, the people that donate to Benjamin Netanyahu's prime minister campaign in Israel.
[01:07:27]  And I think that the transhumanist sort of thing, when people talk about the Carnegie Endowment and the State Department civil society stuff, I think that that's basically a deflection from the fact that the character of all these people, I mean, their early life section, they all happen to be Jewish.
[01:07:44]  And the real evil in the world, as we know, is the antithesis of God.
[01:07:48]  It's the devil.
[01:07:49]  So who's the antithesis of?
[01:07:51]  God and the devil, it's the Antichrist.
[01:07:54]  And you look around the world, who are the people that are on the side of good?
[01:07:58]  You know, if in a spiritual dimension it's God versus the devil, and it's Christ versus the Antichrist, when we bring it down to the level of what's happening in the world, it's the Christians representing God, it's the Christians representing Jesus, and who's on the other side representing the devil?
[01:08:13]  Who's on the other side representing the rejection of Christ?
[01:08:16]  Well, you've already told us.
[01:08:19]  You've already told us earlier, if we take previous context from this very interview, Jews are defined by their rejection of Christ.
[01:08:30]  Yeah.
[01:08:31]  So, what are you saying?
[01:08:32]  Oh, you're saying that Jewish people are the devil.
[01:08:34]  I mean, more or less.
[01:08:35]  This is just, like, overtly anti-Semitic talk that's going on right here.
[01:08:39]  And like you pointed out, it's really smart for Alex to leave while Nick is getting into this JQ business.
[01:08:44]  Yeah.
[01:08:45]  Because now he can have the plausible deniability for why he didn't push back on any of this stuff.
[01:08:50]  I was getting a fresh cup of coffee!
[01:08:51]  If it comes out and, like, he gets called on it...
[01:08:53]  You know, he could be like, I was getting coffee, I don't know.
[01:08:56]  Believe me, I was in the back.
[01:08:57]  I would have taken him to task for this.
[01:09:00]  I was in the middle of pouring the coffee, and it's a big mug, too, so it took a long time to pour.
[01:09:04]  I had to cut a line of coffee.
[01:09:06]  Absolutely.
[01:09:07]  It takes a little while to get it right, precise.
[01:09:09]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:09:10]  Owen took the razor blade to prison, so I can't, I don't know, what am I going to do?
[01:09:15]  Oh, come on, they wouldn't let Owen take it with him.
[01:09:17]  That's what got him in solitary confinement.
[01:09:20]  So, like, Alex is able to host Nick saying this comically anti-Semitic shit and then dodge any criticism for his own performance.
[01:09:26]  It's pretty smooth.
[01:09:27]  And on top of that, he can come back with a bunch of bluster and change the subject if he needs to.
[01:09:32]  Like, that's one of the things Alex is really good at.
[01:09:34]  I've never seen Alex use this kind of strategy with any other interview that he's done.
[01:09:38]  It seems...
[01:09:38]  Either intensely tactical, or the infrastructure at InfoWars is legitimately falling apart, and there's nobody to do any tasks left.
[01:09:48]  There's nobody to run coffee, there's nobody to work the camera.
[01:09:51]  All of his employees are essentially going away.
[01:09:54]  And I don't know if that's the case, but it would explain why Chase Geyser is there, and maybe those suspenders are attached to a barrel that's under the desk.
[01:10:04]  Classic, classic barrel situation.
[01:10:07]  He's got his bindle under the desk and he's hitting the rails.
[01:10:11]  My suspicion is Alex is getting up to drink or whatever.
[01:10:14]  But it also does have the benefit of being like, I'm optically away from this while Nick is saying the stuff that...
[01:10:23]  First of all, is deeply anti-Semitic, and then second of all, cuts under my worldview.
[01:10:28]  Yeah.
[01:10:28]  Like, because Alex is like, oh, it's the World Economic Forum and the Bilderberg Group, and Nick is like, yes, it's the Jews that go there.
[01:10:36]  Yeah.
[01:10:37]  And so, like, what do you do?
[01:10:38]  Alex can't do anything with this.
[01:10:40]  Alex prefers, so when you're fighting a holy war, a crusade, if you will.
[01:10:45]  Right.
[01:10:45]  It's much better for the human race if you're fighting an imaginary enemy.
[01:10:50]  When you go onto the real world, oh, that's not good.
[01:10:55]  Religion and war is bad when you put them together.
[01:10:58]  I'm going to throw that out there.
[01:10:59]  I will say that Alex's imaginary enemy and the way he formulates things is dangerous, but it is much safer than Nick's.
[01:11:10]  Way safer.
[01:11:11]  Nick has much more of a real-world sort of touchpoint than Alex's globalists.
[01:11:18]  Yeah, because in Alex's fermentation of bullshit, there is a...
[01:11:26]  It doesn't matter who the enemy is, you know, it doesn't matter if the enemy this week is Muslims or this week it's Jews or, you know, the enemy is able to encompass the totality.
[01:11:37]  Right.
[01:11:37]  The enemy is the shadowy cabal that's on top of things that is totally not any group that I'm accused of being biased against and bigoted toward.
[01:11:45]  Whereas with Nick, it is pointed and there is that idea of, well, once this one's down, we go to the next.
[01:11:51]  Well, that's implied.
[01:11:54]  But that's what I'm saying.
[01:11:55]  Yeah.
[01:11:57]  They're everywhere!
[01:11:59]  Yeah.
[01:12:00]  Nick is systematically trying to destroy people.
[01:12:03]  Yes.
[01:12:04]  Yes.
[01:12:04]  And would be fine with...
[01:12:07]  Well, I think we all know.
[01:12:09]  So Alex comes back and he's like, come on, man, it's not all the Jews.
[01:12:13]  And then Nick has an interesting rejoinder.
[01:12:15]  Yes, it is.
[01:12:16]  I mean, look at China.
[01:12:17]  They're a billion and a half people and nothing is Chinese people on average, but they are the most homogenous race-based group genetically somewhere and they're extremely racist.
[01:12:26]  I mean, on average.
[01:12:28]  I mean, every time I talk about China taking over Hollywood and China involved and everything, I see the comments, oh, he's coming up from the Jews.
[01:12:35]  I mean, if I slip on a banana peel today, it's not Jews.

=== Gop Nomination Debate (03:09) ===

[01:12:40]  It's Jews.
[01:12:40]  Okay, but a lot of things are Jews.
[01:12:42]  Wouldn't you say that?
[01:12:44]  Or do you disagree?
[01:12:45]  When you look at the Iraq war, when you look at mass migration and the ADL and censorship, and we look at the foreign industry.
[01:12:51]  You don't think part of it was weapons sales?
[01:12:54]  Oil deals.
[01:12:55]  I mean, it's just all the Jews.
[01:12:56]  I think it was primarily for Iraq.
[01:12:58]  It was primarily the Israelis and the neocons.
[01:13:00]  Absolutely.
[01:13:01]  They wrote it up in the Clean Break paper in 96. You're right.
[01:13:05]  That was Wesley Clark exposed that.
[01:13:06]  Yeah, so apparently the Jews were responsible for 9-11.
[01:13:09]  Alex is so bad at this in about five seconds, he's going to be like, well, yeah, you're right about all of this.
[01:13:14]  It's not five seconds, but it's...
[01:13:18]  Faster?
[01:13:20]  No, it takes a little longer and a couple more breaks to the coffee room.
[01:13:24]  Oh, we get there.
[01:13:25]  Okay.
[01:13:26]  Yeah, I mean, there is not a resolution of this where Alex can in any way stand on his two feet and say, I stuck to my guns, I defended my position.
[01:13:38]  He completely caves by the end of this.
[01:13:40]  So, we got some news.
[01:13:43]  Take a little breaky.
[01:13:45]  And actually, while we're taking a little breaky and going to other things, I have an out-of-context drop that I forgot to play.
[01:13:50]  Okay.
[01:13:51]  So enjoy this.
[01:13:52]  Brother, I do some studying.
[01:13:53]  I love it.
[01:13:54]  He loves it.
[01:13:54]  He loves it.
[01:13:55]  So anyway, he did some studying.
[01:13:58]  Actually, he doesn't have any studying on this because the news has broken that there's a new Speaker of the House in the U.S. Right, right, right, right.
[01:14:07]  And Alex doesn't know anything about him.
[01:14:09]  Well, just minutes ago, Representative Mike Johnson wins GOP nomination for Speaker.
[01:14:15]  Mike Johnson won the GOP nomination for House Speaker.
[01:14:18]  Today, defeating Representative Byron Danakos, Danakos, and becoming the fourth Speaker designated selection by his party.
[01:14:32]  Representative Kevin McCarthy, historical removal as Speaker, and the second in a single day.
[01:14:39]  I did some quick searches during the break.
[01:14:41]  We were on that Owen Shroyer.
[01:14:43]  We were airing that Owen Shroyer update.
[01:14:44]  And it looks like Jim Jordan likes him.
[01:14:47]  I like Jim Jordan.
[01:14:48]  But I've got to drill into this.
[01:14:49]  By the transitive property.
[01:14:50]  I've got to hold my view until we know more.
[01:14:52]  So get the brains here in the office.
[01:14:56]  Looking into that to give me their perspective during the next break.
[01:14:59]  I need somebody to tell me what to think about this guy.
[01:15:01]  I love studying.
[01:15:02]  Love it.
[01:15:03]  Love it.
[01:15:03]  I need somebody to Google this guy.
[01:15:06]  That is...
[01:15:07]  Well, okay.
[01:15:09]  So one of the ways that Nick defends his biases and bigotries...
[01:15:15]  Oh, I sounded like Barnes there.
[01:15:16]  Yeah, you did.
[01:15:18]  One of the ways he does that is by insisting, like, we just need a Christian nation.
[01:15:22]  Sure.
[01:15:22]  And that is, I think, what he looks at as the general end goal he would like to see, which is a nation where white Christian men are essentially the only font of power.

=== Dual Loyalty Tropes (06:05) ===

[01:15:37]  And so he talks about that a little bit.
[01:15:42]  Basically, I would say almost explicitly saying that Jews are incapable of being right about things.
[01:15:48]  I think the number one issue that we have right now is that America has to become a Christian nation.
[01:15:52]  And as a Christian nation, it needs to have Christian leadership.
[01:15:56]  And, you know, you say that you have your father or grandfather are friends with Jewish people and they seem like nice people.
[01:16:02]  I'm not out here saying that Jewish people aren't capable of being nice or good people or anything like that, but they don't worship Jesus Christ.
[01:16:09]  And the Bible tells us there's only one way to the Father.
[01:16:12]  There's only one way to the true, the good, and the beautiful, and that's through Jesus.
[01:16:16]  When I look around it, whether it's the ADL or the ZOA, when it's the left-wing or the Zionists, neither of them respect or worship Jesus.
[01:16:24]  And as a consequence, they can't be right.
[01:16:28]  What's more, their allegiance is to their own tribe rather than America.
[01:16:32]  You know, not only am I a Christian, but I'm also America first.
[01:16:35]  Yeah, so throwing out some dual loyalty tropes there, too.
[01:16:37]  That's good stuff.
[01:16:39]  Good stuff.
[01:16:40]  Yeech!
[01:16:41]  Yep.
[01:16:42]  So, apparently, if you're not Christian, you're incapable of being right.
[01:16:45]  Yeah, Christians, you should really go stop that.
[01:16:48]  Put a stop to them.
[01:16:49]  So, here's something that I find interesting that we won't really be able to see the fruition of until the end of this episode.
[01:16:56]  But this obsession with the idea of, like, my hatred is based on Christianity.
[01:17:02]  There is a purity to my hatred and my bigotries that I have towards people, and that is that it is just the expression of my Christianity.
[01:17:10]  I can't be judged for this.
[01:17:12]  This is my religious belief.
[01:17:14]  Now hold on to that.
[01:17:15]  Well, I mean, that's true.
[01:17:18]  Well, it's true of his interpretation.
[01:17:20]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:17:21]  In the way that he understands his Christianity.
[01:17:25]  You know, you might be able to say that that's a fair statement.
[01:17:28]  Sure.
[01:17:28]  But I just want the focus that he has, the centralness of Christianity and Christ, to be...
[01:17:35]  Hold on to it.
[01:17:37]  Okay.
[01:17:37]  Because I think he invalidates it a little bit later.
[01:17:40]  We'll see.
[01:17:41]  You think later is when...
[01:17:43]  Well, intensely later.
[01:17:46]  Okay.
[01:17:47]  In an almost comical way.
[01:17:48]  So you say, up until now, not a problem.
[01:17:52]  No, I would say that it is, but on a level that is unfathomable later.
[01:17:58]  So, Nick, he wants to find some common ground, and he remembers that Alex hates Muslims.
[01:18:05]  Sure.
[01:18:05]  And so why not go that way?
[01:18:07]  Yeah, let's have a fun time.
[01:18:07]  I wonder what your take on this is, because I've seen this, and this has made me more angry than anything.
[01:18:13]  Well, don't invite me to interrupt, or it's going to happen.
[01:18:15]  No, no, well, because I really am interested in your take on this, because maybe this is a source of common ground.
[01:18:20]  I'm with you.
[01:18:21]  When I see the Muslims protesting, it makes me mad because I'm thinking, what are they doing here?
[01:18:25]  They belong over there, not over here.
[01:18:27]  When they do the call to prayer, they're waving their flags.
[01:18:29]  I'm thinking those people belong in Syria, Palestine, and Iraq.
[01:18:33]  But what makes me even angrier is when I see Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, and I'm not inviting you to attack them necessarily, but I'm just wondering what you think about this.
[01:18:43]  These people, they don't seem to care about America.
[01:18:46]  The country's being invaded by immigrants, like you point out.
[01:18:49]  The censorship's out of control.
[01:18:50]  Forced vaccinations are occurring.
[01:18:52]  And they had the vaccination at Fox.
[01:18:54]  They had a vaccine-mandated Fox News at Daily Wire.
[01:18:57]  They had an agreement with Google not to discuss it on YouTube.
[01:19:01]  Now, they were never that mad, though, or emotional about it.
[01:19:05]  Israel gets attacked two weeks ago.
[01:19:08]  And I've never seen Shapiro angrier than he has been these past two weeks.
[01:19:13]  I've never seen the kind of Herculean effort.
[01:19:15]  It's like an alarm went off with Levin and Shapiro.
[01:19:18]  And they go on Fox and they threaten this country.
[01:19:22]  They say if America doesn't give Israel everything it needs, Israel's going to nuke everybody.
[01:19:26]  And it's like this nuclear blackmail.
[01:19:29]  And it's like, hang on a second.
[01:19:31]  I don't think it's like that.
[01:19:32]  I think that's what it is.
[01:19:33]  Great, great, great, great, great, cool.
[01:19:39]  It's strange that Alex is just agreeing, because what he is agreeing to by sort of just letting slide is this entire they're loyal to Israel over the United States stuff.
[01:19:54]  And that's, I mean, he has to know.
[01:19:57]  Alex has to know.
[01:19:58]  He understands.
[01:20:00]  Just letting this stand and not pushing back in any way is a tacit approval.
[01:20:06]  I was just thinking about this the other day.
[01:20:09]  And it's like, people remember 1984.
[01:20:12]  And they go, ah, dystopia.
[01:20:13]  You mean the country?
[01:20:14]  Or the year?
[01:20:15]  The novel.
[01:20:16]  The country.
[01:20:17]  And then, yeah, that was interesting.
[01:20:20]  But then, you know, the ending is like, is that possible?
[01:20:25]  Maybe that is a happy ending.
[01:20:26]  All right?
[01:20:27]  Because he's like, you know what?
[01:20:28]  Fuck it.
[01:20:29]  I'll do it.
[01:20:30]  I think you have a rare take on it.
[01:20:35]  So think about how Alex must feel right now.
[01:20:39]  Faced with all of the contradictions and all of the problems that his own thoughts have led him to, he gets to see Nick do so much more heavy lifting and he just gets to go, yeah man, that's so right.
[01:20:52]  That's so right.
[01:20:54]  See?
[01:20:55]  1984 was a happy book.
[01:20:58]  The booze helps.
[01:20:58]  So it might be more Brave New World.
[01:21:01]  That's a good point.
[01:21:03]  Maybe we should stick with Brave New World.
[01:21:05]  So Alex thinks that the war that's going on, the Israel-Palestine situation, is a distraction from the bugs, apparently.
[01:21:16]  From the bugs.
[01:21:17]  If you just pull back from this, again, I think the whole Israel...
[01:21:21]  Palestinian thing becomes a distraction from war in Ukraine and dollar devaluation and fentanyl and pedophilia and social credit scores and UN treaties for forced injections and the WEF.

=== China's Rise and American Desperation (11:38) ===

[01:21:35]  In all fairness, maybe you're right, maybe I'm wrong.
[01:21:38]  I just think what I'm covering is the most important stuff.
[01:21:43]  And so it's a perspective thing.
[01:21:45]  And I don't think there's any sacred cows.
[01:21:47]  You know, when the ADL literally certifies the curriculum in colleges, Down to the first grade.
[01:21:53]  Telling children they're bad because they're Christian or white or Catholic.
[01:21:57]  And the government says Catholics, conservative Catholics are the number one threat.
[01:22:01]  I say, Cain Martin-Dork, you can't criticize Nick Fuentes for what he says that's race-based or whatever when you're ten times more extreme.
[01:22:10]  So, I'm saying that.
[01:22:12]  All I want to be recognized as, I'm really trying to have an honest...
[01:22:17]  Open debate about this.
[01:22:18]  About what?
[01:22:19]  Why won't people just tell me I'm a good boy for doing the things that I'm already doing?
[01:22:25]  What is the debate he's trying to have about?
[01:22:27]  I want Nick to tell me that I'm a good boy!
[01:22:30]  I think he would enjoy that.
[01:22:31]  I think he would appreciate it.
[01:22:32]  Nah.
[01:22:33]  No, so here's essentially what I would boil this down to.
[01:22:37]  Alex believes that the ADL is telling everybody that they have to have this curriculum that says that white people are inherently evil.
[01:22:45]  Right.
[01:22:45]  So in that context, you can't be mad that Nick hates Jewish people.
[01:22:50]  You can't be mad that he's racist because the ADL is being racist to him.
[01:22:56]  So Alex is going to side with Nick's racism every time.
[01:23:00]  But he doesn't want there to be trouble, and that's the debate he's trying to have.
[01:23:03]  Right.
[01:23:04]  As opposed to being a, you've created a fiction wherein your racism is justifiable, as opposed to you are justified.
[01:23:16]  Yeah.
[01:23:16]  That might be the issue.
[01:23:17]  Yeah, no, that's exactly what's going on, is the attempt to justify is there, because on some level he knows that this isn't justified.
[01:23:26]  Yeah, no, I mean...
[01:23:27]  When you start talking to yourself like that, there's part of you that's just going like, I'm having this debate inside whether I'm pulling this off.
[01:23:34]  This argument is not going well in my brain.
[01:23:37]  I can't imagine wanting it to be outside of there.
[01:23:40]  Nah.
[01:23:40]  Yeah, not good.
[01:23:41]  So I told you that Nick makes one very big error.
[01:23:45]  Sure.
[01:23:45]  And it happens for a while.
[01:23:47]  You worship the ball?
[01:23:49]  Close!
[01:23:50]  That's a huge one.
[01:23:50]  Close!
[01:23:51]  Can't worship ball.
[01:23:52]  Well, I mean, in some ways there's an idolatry, and in some ways there's a figure that he respects that he shouldn't, that Alex is going to take issue with.
[01:24:01]  I mean, I see that as if Israel's a 100-pound gorilla, the 1,000-pound gorilla's China.
[01:24:07]  It's true.
[01:24:08]  China is a true geopolitical adversary.
[01:24:10]  Honestly, though, maybe we disagree a little on this.
[01:24:13]  I actually support China's rise.
[01:24:15]  I support the Chinese-Russia coalition because...
[01:24:18]  I look at the American state, which has targeted people like you and me, and I think that the more that the American state recedes, the better that is for us.
[01:24:28]  Yeah, but just because the people running us are bad doesn't mean in a vacuum we want the chai comms.
[01:24:33]  You get that, right?
[01:24:34]  Like, I'm not against the Russian people, because China is expansionary.
[01:24:38]  Putin cut weapons funding, pulled back, we're going to do organic farming.
[01:24:42]  And promote our families and have Russians.
[01:24:44]  That is a beautiful message.
[01:24:46]  I support Vladimir Putin in that.
[01:24:48]  We need to have children.
[01:24:49]  We're Christian.
[01:24:50]  Organic farming.
[01:24:53]  Russia's just trying to defend itself.
[01:24:55]  China was set up by the globalists.
[01:24:57]  It's like cancer.
[01:24:58]  It's expansionary.
[01:24:59]  So just because Russia's run to China to save itself, there was a big Russian-Sino split.
[01:25:06]  The globalists always tried to make that split.
[01:25:08]  now they've caused that convergence.
[01:25:10]  This is a very sophisticated Rand Corporation projections, Nick.
[01:25:14]  It was very sophisticated.
[01:25:15]  Oh, so Rand Corporation projections.
[01:25:16]  Condescending fuck.
[01:25:17]  Nick, Nick, this might be too sophisticated.
[01:25:20]  Yeah, this is big boy stuff.
[01:25:21]  So this is really the only tactical mistake that Nick made in this interview.
[01:25:25]  This immediately turned off a great portion of Alex's audience and limited the ability he had to swing them to his side.
[01:25:32]  Other than this, he was right on track to radicalize a huge number of InfoWarriors.
[01:25:36]  It's just...
[01:25:37]  He was dancing circles around Alex.
[01:25:39]  I mean, what I find so fascinating about it, over and over and over again, is how much more powerful fiction is than reality.
[01:25:45]  Because what Nick is saying is 100% accurate.
[01:25:48]  That is exactly what the people...
[01:25:51]  And that's why people who are in league with Nick behave this way.
[01:25:56]  Because that is correct.
[01:25:57]  You're just not allowed to say it.
[01:26:00]  You have to lie to people in order to get them to believe the opposite of what you're doing.
[01:26:05]  Not quite.
[01:26:05]  Not quite.
[01:26:06]  You can project this onto Russia, but you can't onto China.
[01:26:10]  Project what onto China?
[01:26:12]  The idea of creating other power blocks is helpful to take away the power of the United States that I feel is oppressing me.
[01:26:22]  What do you mean?
[01:26:23]  That's a large part of what Nick's saying.
[01:26:25]  Yeah.
[01:26:25]  He welcomes China's rise.
[01:26:26]  Yeah, the less power the United States has, the better it is for you and me.
[01:26:31]  But you're not allowed to, in the info wars and the conspiracy space, to apply that to China.
[01:26:36]  You can only use that with Russia.
[01:26:38]  Right, right, right.
[01:26:38]  The idea of creating a multipolar world and all that is only acceptable through Russia.
[01:26:43]  Right.
[01:26:43]  But again, that's what I'm saying.
[01:26:45]  That is what...
[01:26:46]  Nick is saying a true thing that he should be lying about.
[01:26:50]  Yes.
[01:26:51]  That everybody knows.
[01:26:52]  Or only expressing it through Russia.
[01:26:53]  Exactly.
[01:26:53]  Yes.
[01:26:54]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:26:54]  Also, it's super ironic for Alex to say that Russia is an expansionist while they are literally in the middle of a war that's meant to expand the borders.
[01:27:00]  Hey, what you gonna do?
[01:27:02]  He's just desperate for a way to say Russia is white and Christian and shares a lot of the same bigotries as I do so they're fine and can do nothing wrong.
[01:27:08]  That's basically, and that is what the distinction is, I believe, between China and Russia in terms of what you're able to...
[01:27:16]  Project the balance of power equation onto it.
[01:27:20]  Also, there's so much of the white identity that's mixed up in it, so you can't be like, well, allowing China, which is so much the other, to accrue some kind of a global power that's dangerous, whereas I associate myself with Russia, so it's fine.
[01:27:37]  Sure.
[01:27:38]  Yeah.
[01:27:38]  Now, big mistake, I believe, on Nick's part, because it's going to take up a lot of time.
[01:27:43]  Uh-oh.
[01:27:44]  But he makes it worse.
[01:27:45]  Oh, no.
[01:27:45]  So I'm saying, yeah, there's been a globalist alliance with China.
[01:27:48]  That's broken.
[01:27:49]  But just because it's broken, just because I don't like the New World Order, the globalist, doesn't mean I like Xi Jinping.
[01:27:54]  I do like Xi Jinping, though.
[01:27:55]  I like, because...
[01:27:57]  So you like three million Muslims in slave camps?
[01:28:00]  I just, I don't believe that's true.
[01:28:01]  I think that's propaganda.
[01:28:04]  Seriously, I mean, when I...
[01:28:05]  You know, I went in about it, I tore my Achilles nine years ago, and it's almost completely gone.
[01:28:11]  So my right leg's a crutch now.
[01:28:13]  I can still, you know, run.
[01:28:15]  But not well.
[01:28:17]  And I went to six different doctors in Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Dallas.
[01:28:22]  And they all said, oh, don't worry, we've got tissue grown in China.
[01:28:25]  And when I asked to see the paperwork, they went, yeah, actually, it's a cadaver.
[01:28:31]  China's selling body parts, brother.
[01:28:33]  My leg ain't fixed because I waited too long.
[01:28:35]  I've got to have a cadaver part.
[01:28:37]  I morally cannot be part of killing some Falun Gong person to get that.
[01:28:41]  Because I already...
[01:28:43]  I just can't have that in my life.
[01:28:45]  I just think that when people talk about the Uyghur concentration camps, I just feel like that's State Department propaganda, like atrocity propaganda.
[01:28:54]  Are you going to let that sit?
[01:28:55]  View China as evil rather than a geopolitical competitor.
[01:28:58]  What I think you're doing, Nick, I'm not trying to interrupt you.
[01:29:01]  I'll try to shut up and stick a sock in my mouth for five minutes.
[01:29:04]  I don't want to be accused of not giving you time.
[01:29:06]  This is a great discussion, a great debate.
[01:29:12]  China's own government admits that Mao Zedong killed at least 65 million of their own people.
[01:29:19]  So obviously I disagree with Nick, and I don't think that the abuse of the Uyghur people in China is State Department propaganda.
[01:29:25]  If I were in this conversation with him about it, which would never happen, I would not take the approach Alex is.
[01:29:30]  In an attempt to convince Nick that he's wrong about this, Alex tells a personal anecdote where a doctor told him that he was going to get a cadaver Achilles tendon from China or something.
[01:29:41]  There's no proof of anything here.
[01:29:43]  You have to believe Alex's story, which is a big leap, and then believe that the doctor in the story is telling Alex the truth, which is tough, and then believe that Alex is conveying the information accurately, which is impossible.
[01:29:53]  So that's, like, you can see what Nick does, and that is just ignore that entire story.
[01:29:58]  See?
[01:29:59]  Because that's what you do in a situation like this.
[01:30:01]  It's like, that's meaningless.
[01:30:02]  Right.
[01:30:03]  And then so Alex tries again after Nick just restates his point again, and that is...
[01:30:07]  To say that Mao killed a bunch of people, which doesn't really work here either.
[01:30:12]  Alex is just throwing non-sequiturs at Nick, and Nick is just saying, I don't believe this.
[01:30:16]  And Alex can't confront that head-on, because he doesn't really know anything about it.
[01:30:22]  He just knows it as a touchstone, talking point, buzzword kind of thing, and he honestly doesn't care about it.
[01:30:28]  We've heard him talk about how little he cares about the Uyghurs.
[01:30:31]  He just doesn't want China to do anything about, like...
[01:30:35]  The United States.
[01:30:36]  Yeah, no.
[01:30:37]  That's a form of weird moral bullying for some reason.
[01:30:40]  Yeah.
[01:30:41]  Yeah, which is like, okay, man, whatever.
[01:30:43]  It's a pretend high ground kind of thing.
[01:30:44]  Alex has no investment in it and therefore can't deploy that in the situation of this conversation.
[01:30:51]  Yeah, and I mean, man, it is difficult to properly convey gravitas whenever you are throwing around multiple genocides.
[01:31:04]  In one conversation.
[01:31:05]  Sure.
[01:31:06]  Like, fucking comparing wines.
[01:31:09]  And refuting, not refuting, because he's not really, but denying.
[01:31:13]  Yeah, and here's the other thing, too.
[01:31:17]  Nick can choose to stipulate all of the stuff that Alex is saying is true and still maintain his support of G. No problem.
[01:31:24]  Nothing Alex is saying has any real impact on that argument, and I think that this highlights something that I've noticed about Alex.
[01:31:31]  He doesn't seem able to understand how to make a point anymore.
[01:31:34]  He's relied on these buzzwords and the same talking points for so long that he doesn't really have any greater depth.
[01:31:39]  And when you're talking to someone like Nick, who's thought about his positions and isn't afraid to bite bullets, like saying he likes G on Infowars, that's going to be a problem.
[01:31:49]  Alex has just got spaghetti to throw at the wall and, like, I don't know, one of those poppers that goes...
[01:31:58]  It gets confetti thrown out of it.
[01:32:00]  Fun distractions, but it's not anything.
[01:32:05]  This is a slam dunk for him!
[01:32:07]  In a sense, though, that is probably more to his advantage and more to Nick's disadvantage in real life.
[01:32:15]  I can see that.
[01:32:16]  Nick is always going to have a ceiling because of his willingness to bite bullets.
[01:32:21]  He's not...
[01:32:22]  He's not going to break free because people don't want honesty.
[01:32:28]  Sort of.
[01:32:28]  On a fundamental level.
[01:32:30]  And the shallow optical stuff that Alex is doing is what the audience wants.
[01:32:36]  Sure.
[01:32:36]  They don't want him to be like, are you serious?
[01:32:39]  You don't believe in the mistreatment of the Uyghurs?
[01:32:42]  Let's go through it.
[01:32:43]  They don't want that.
[01:32:45]  No.
[01:32:45]  They want somebody to just say, you're bad because you like China.

=== Appealing to Emotion in Conflicts (06:33) ===

[01:32:50]  That's enough.
[01:32:52]  For Alex's audience.
[01:32:53]  They don't want digging into this.
[01:32:56]  They don't want any actual information.
[01:32:58]  They just want, hey, I like G. Whoops.
[01:33:00]  Fuck you.
[01:33:01]  Yeah.
[01:33:02]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:33:03]  It's very much like, you know, they want to watch a war movie.
[01:33:08]  They don't want to actually go to war.
[01:33:11]  Jesus fucking Christ, man.
[01:33:13]  Nick!
[01:33:14]  What the shit?
[01:33:15]  Yeah.
[01:33:15]  You're out of your mind.
[01:33:16]  So Nick talks about how he thinks that people just call China evil.
[01:33:21]  Sure.
[01:33:21]  Because that's how you get them ready for attack, basically.
[01:33:25]  Yeah, well, yeah.
[01:33:26]  Are you really sure?
[01:33:28]  I mean, because are you sure China's good?
[01:33:31]  I'm not saying they're good.
[01:33:32]  I'm just saying that I don't think it's...
[01:33:34]  When we call them evil...
[01:33:36]  This is what states do.
[01:33:38]  Because the United States would never be whipped up into a frenzy to go to war with Russia, China, Iran, if they thought that they were just adversaries, if they thought that they were just competitors or rivals.
[01:33:48]  So that's why in every case they need to say Putin is kidnapping orphans and he bombed a maternity ward and the Palestinians decapitated a million babies.
[01:33:57]  No, I get it.
[01:33:57]  They used that foreign threat to set up turning here.
[01:33:59]  I totally agree.
[01:34:00]  Well, and I think they do the same thing with the Uyghurs.
[01:34:06]  Of the social credit system in China.
[01:34:08]  We have the same thing in America.
[01:34:10]  We have a social credit system in America.
[01:34:12]  It's hardly any different.
[01:34:13]  In fact, it's worse because at least in China, the social credit system rewards good citizenship and America punishes good citizenship.
[01:34:20]  So I feel like with a lot of...
[01:34:22]  Let me just be clear.
[01:34:23]  You might be smarter than I am, but I was really dumb when I was your age.
[01:34:27]  I'm impressed by how smart you are at your age.
[01:34:29]  So it's not a put-down.
[01:34:31]  I've studied Russia.
[01:34:33]  And other than being a strong arm and having problems, I find out of the whole world the best public push for families and children and Christianity, because I see that.
[01:34:47]  And I'm not a Russophile.
[01:34:50]  I'm not a Russophobe.
[01:34:51]  I just call it like I see it.
[01:34:52]  When I see China with the human-animal clones and all of it, man, I see the nastiest thing I've ever seen.
[01:34:58]  I'll just be, I mean, brother, I do some studying.
[01:35:01]  I love it.
[01:35:02]  I read what the Communist Party Central Committee puts out, and I'm telling you, China is bad.
[01:35:08]  They're bad.
[01:35:09]  The Communist Chinese are bad.
[01:35:11]  Well, and I'm not trying to...
[01:35:14]  Denigrate, I think you're more intelligent than me.
[01:35:17]  I think you're the genius mastermind behind InfoWars.
[01:35:20]  Boo!
[01:35:22]  I'm skeptical, and here's why.
[01:35:24]  I think that the United States has become a very evil country, too.
[01:35:28]  I agree.
[01:35:29]  Interesting.
[01:35:30]  So Nick is making a decent point that appealing to emotion and characterizing conflicts between states as good versus evil can be a way to convince people to support violent action in situations they wouldn't otherwise.
[01:35:40]  Give one example.
[01:35:41]  I mean, it's fair enough, right?
[01:35:43]  Right?
[01:35:44]  I mean, it's fair enough.
[01:35:44]  But let's go another step with this.
[01:35:46]  Are states the only ones who do this?
[01:35:48]  Or is this also a fitting description of what Alex does with his enemies, which are largely vulnerable groups in the population?
[01:35:55]  He spends all day demonizing immigrants, LGBTQ folk, and with a renewed vigor, Muslims.
[01:36:00]  And he always characterizes them as evil.
[01:36:03]  He even tosses in literal demons into the conversation, dehumanizing his enemies in a way that allows his audience to see negative things that happen to them.
[01:36:10]  It's not really that negative.
[01:36:12]  If Alex's audience had any interest in paying attention, they might notice that dynamic, and Nick is calling it out.
[01:36:18]  Also, Nick is saying that states call other states evil in order to justify attacking them, but then at the end there he says the US is evil.
[01:36:25]  That's weird.
[01:36:26]  Seems like he should have chosen a different word.
[01:36:28]  Maybe internal logic isn't his forte.
[01:36:31]  Not a strong suit.
[01:36:32]  Yeah.
[01:36:33]  But, I mean, in terms of saying more things that are like, eh, it's a fair point.
[01:36:38]  Like, he has more thoughtfulness to what he's saying than Alex's blustery bullshit.
[01:36:43]  And I think that it shows very clearly.
[01:36:46]  I mean, I don't know.
[01:36:48]  I think it's maybe the opposite in this case.
[01:36:52]  You know, like, how can I put this?
[01:36:55]  Because we're so used to being on the bottom rung, right?
[01:36:59]  Then it feels like a step up is a movement up, as opposed to Nick is just, you know, the level is still falling.
[01:37:09]  You know, Nick is just higher up on the terrible fall range.
[01:37:12]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:37:13]  No, yeah, I think that's what I'm saying.
[01:37:15]  Yeah.
[01:37:15]  No, there is a marked difference between them.
[01:37:18]  Sure.
[01:37:19]  He still sucks.
[01:37:20]  Right.
[01:37:21]  But...
[01:37:21]  We are used to negative 10 and we're seeing negative 4. Right.
[01:37:26]  Or whatever, in terms of communication ability.
[01:37:29]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:37:30]  Or maybe negative 2 in terms of communication.
[01:37:32]  Because, you know, Nick can concisely make a point.
[01:37:34]  It's just usually the point sucks.
[01:37:36]  And oftentimes it's using little rhetorical tricks, hiding the football sometimes.
[01:37:41]  It's just hard to deal with a person like Nick whenever, like...
[01:37:47]  What we're talking about is the expression of something as opposed to the reality of it.
[01:37:52]  He is more superficially good at talking superficial than Alex in this manner.
[01:38:02]  And he's able to incorporate actual agreeable points into that superficial presentation.
[01:38:07]  Which is part of what makes him, I think, a little bit more of a dangerous rhetorical figure than Alex.
[01:38:14]  I just want to be clear.
[01:38:15]  He is not above Alex.
[01:38:17]  Alex is just lower.
[01:38:19]  You know?
[01:38:19]  Like, he's still at the bottom.
[01:38:22]  That's fair.
[01:38:23]  There's just an alternate universe bottom that Alex also gets to...
[01:38:27]  You know, like, he got to the Star World of Super Mario.
[01:38:29]  But you should also...
[01:38:31]  There's another thing that Alex is better at, which we can't deny.
[01:38:34]  And yeah, and I think...
[01:38:35]  Well, just because we're evil doesn't mean another evil's okay.
[01:38:38]  But the difference is...
[01:38:39]  I'm going to shut up.
[01:38:40]  We're going to break in...
[01:38:41]  I'm going to shut up.
[01:38:43]  Ten minutes.
[01:38:43]  I'm shutting up right now.
[01:38:44]  I'm going to have to get up and walk off and drink a cup of coffee.
[01:38:49]  So I think that the difference is the jurisdiction in China.
[01:38:52]  This keeps happening.
[01:38:53]  I love it.
[01:38:55]  He's very good at going to get coffee.
[01:38:57]  That is the one saving grace that Alex has in this power display is Alex can just walk the fuck away.
[01:39:04]  Didn't see that coming, did you, little kid?

=== China's Propaganda Pawn (11:15) ===

[01:39:06]  No.
[01:39:07]  I invited you into my million dollar studio to have a live interview and I will just walk off and...
[01:39:13]  I will leave my own studio.
[01:39:14]  Probably do substances right around the corner.
[01:39:17]  Yep.
[01:39:17]  So, Nick believes...
[01:39:21]  Actually, I'm of two minds about this.
[01:39:25]  He believes that China is great because he is a dissident in the United States, and the United States doesn't like their dissidents, but China would like him because he's a dissident against the United States.
[01:39:36]  Now, I think that is not true in a sincere sense, but he would serve a great propaganda purpose for China's use as a U.S. dissident.
[01:39:47]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:39:48]  I mean, yeah.
[01:39:48]  He's very clearly expressing, like, listen, I'm all for fascism.
[01:39:53]  I just want to be on the fash side.
[01:39:54]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:39:56]  You and I are dissidents in the United States.
[01:39:59]  That means that we support American sovereignty.
[01:40:02]  And in a sense, we're sort of in like a knife fight with the powers that be.
[01:40:05]  Because if we win, they lose.
[01:40:06]  It's a zero-sum game.
[01:40:08]  If we and the Americans become sovereign, that means that the globalists are no longer sovereign.
[01:40:13]  So we are total enemies.
[01:40:15]  China is an adversary of the United States regime, and so necessarily China doesn't hate American dissidents as much as the American government does.
[01:40:23]  Like, I think about Snowden.
[01:40:24]  When Snowden betrayed the NSA, where did he seek refuge?
[01:40:28]  He sought refuge in Russia.
[01:40:29]  And Russia was the only place that he could be safe.
[01:40:32]  Yeah, China wouldn't give it to him.
[01:40:33]  Back to what I'm saying.
[01:40:34]  Well, but Russia was the only...
[01:40:35]  I only see virtue in Russia.
[01:40:37]  Back to you.
[01:40:37]  Back to the studio.
[01:40:38]  They're the best house in a bad neighborhood.
[01:40:39]  And I'm not a Russophile.
[01:40:41]  I just have a...
[01:40:41]  I'm sorry.
[01:40:42]  I'm stopping.
[01:40:43]  Go ahead.
[01:40:44]  No, you're good.
[01:40:45]  No, I'm shutting up now.
[01:40:47]  Shut up, Jones.
[01:40:48]  Go ahead.
[01:40:48]  I'm shutting up now.
[01:40:49]  But...
[01:40:50]  Yep.
[01:40:52]  I only see virtue in Russia.
[01:40:54]  Great.
[01:40:55]  Not a roose file.
[01:40:56]  I'm not a team player.
[01:40:58]  I'm realizing that more and more.
[01:41:01]  Just like, man, y 'all will join any old team, won't you?
[01:41:05]  Jesus!
[01:41:06]  Wait till the end of this.
[01:41:07]  God damn it, Dan.
[01:41:08]  So, Nick prefers China to the United States, apparently.
[01:41:12]  Sure.
[01:41:12]  So much for America first.
[01:41:14]  But I do think that they're better than what we have going on in the United States.
[01:41:18]  I think on some fundamental level...
[01:41:20]  It's almost like amorality being better than immorality.
[01:41:24]  The United States is led by, you know, and I don't want to keep going back to it, but it's what it is.
[01:41:30]  It's the ZOA on one side, it's the ADL on the other.
[01:41:33]  On the one hand, it's these atheist, nihilist types, and they're totally against any kind of religion, they're totally against any conception of God, and definitely against Christianity.
[01:41:42]  On the other side, it's these religious foreign nationals that are trying to ban the gospel in the Holy Land.
[01:41:48]  And even China recognizes that's who's really pulling the strings in Western society.
[01:41:53]  They talk about it all the time.
[01:41:55]  For them, it's just a geopolitical reality that when they confront the West, that's who they're dealing with.
[01:42:00]  That's where the seat of power is.
[01:42:02]  And so on the one hand, you have China that has really no morality.
[01:42:06]  They've substituted Confucian tradition and they've substituted their Eastern philosophy.
[01:42:12]  On our side, we have people that actively...
[01:42:17]  Whoa!
[01:42:18]  Okay, so I got some deicide touch points here.
[01:42:22]  So yeah, he prefers China because it's just no morality whatsoever over there, as opposed to the United States, which apparently is run by the people who killed Christ.
[01:42:35]  I mean, this is just trash.
[01:42:37]  I don't think his understanding of global geopolitics is that...
[01:42:41]  Not great?
[01:42:41]  No.
[01:42:42]  I don't think so.
[01:42:43]  I don't think he would do well in the model UN.
[01:42:47]  I bet he would have back when he was in high school.
[01:42:49]  I don't think so.
[01:42:50]  I've seen those videos of him.
[01:42:53]  He used to be just a normal GOP kind of kid.
[01:42:56]  He used to be a young conservative league type of guy.
[01:42:59]  Gross.
[01:43:00]  So gross.
[01:43:01]  Don't let your kids grow up.
[01:43:02]  To be cowboys?
[01:43:05]  Whichever.
[01:43:06]  Nick wants China to invade the United States.
[01:43:09]  Okay, that's fun.
[01:43:11]  Which, I gotta be honest, I think he's just trolling Alex at this point.
[01:43:14]  He's going a little far for fun.
[01:43:16]  Come on.
[01:43:16]  It doesn't mean I'm necessarily pro-China, but I'll take China over what we have going on now.
[01:43:21]  I said on my show, I wish China would invade us.
[01:43:23]  They would probably take black crime seriously.
[01:43:25]  They'd take the border seriously.
[01:43:27]  They wouldn't be going to war for Israel and the Middle East.
[01:43:31]  So, in some sense, I feel like maybe that would be an improvement over what we have now, at least if they're a check on our power.
[01:43:37]  Alright, I'll jump in here briefly.
[01:43:40]  This is one of the big things that the anti-Israel lobby does that is dishonest.
[01:43:46]  There are six major Hollywood production outfits.
[01:43:49]  They've been bankrupt forever.
[01:43:51]  And I said, decades ago, as I was reading a Wall Street Journal article, and I talked to people I knew in Hollywood, they said, yeah, Saudi Arabia is the second largest group, but China's buying up everything.
[01:44:01]  Now that's all admitted.
[01:44:03]  So the joke was, Jones says China and...
[01:44:07]  Saudi Arabia and Hollywood.
[01:44:08]  I was just reading headlines they were doing it.
[01:44:10]  Now China controls four of the six outlets, and it's admitted that they fund this anti-America race war narrative to destabilize us.
[01:44:20]  So it's true China puts gays in prison, and it's true.
[01:44:25]  That they do all that and that they're promoting three families or three children, nuclear families now.
[01:44:30]  You know, Xi Jinping broke with the West wanting them to not have nuclear families because China's not under globalist control now.
[01:44:35]  So it's kind of got its own version of its takeover.
[01:44:38]  So I think China is in command of itself.
[01:44:40]  That's why it's under attack by the globalists.
[01:44:42]  So you're absolutely right.
[01:44:43]  But China is still funding the left and the poisoning of America.
[01:44:49]  So Nick is saying that he wants China to invade because then they would take his racist Piccadillo seriously.
[01:44:57]  And Alex is saying, no, no, no, they own all the movie studios and they're the ones who are causing...
[01:45:02]  The problems that you see with racism.
[01:45:06]  Alright.
[01:45:07]  So that thing about China owning four of the studios is news to me, because Alex's old talking point is that they owned all of them.
[01:45:12]  Yeah, I recall them owning all of them.
[01:45:14]  Yeah, it's almost like the number's kind of arbitrary.
[01:45:16]  Is he, like, hedging his bets in case Nick might know that there's one that they don't own?
[01:45:22]  That's legitimately what I think it is.
[01:45:24]  I think it is.
[01:45:24]  When he's alone, he can say all, and when Nick's there, he has to say four in case he gets a pushback.
[01:45:29]  In case Nick actually knows, yeah.
[01:45:31]  Also, It sure sounds like Alex was saying that China putting gay people in prison was part of the list of positive attributes for the country.
[01:45:38]  Didn't seem like that.
[01:45:39]  That sucks.
[01:45:40]  Yeah.
[01:45:41]  Sucks.
[01:45:42]  Yeah.
[01:45:43]  You know, I'm struggling to get over the whole, like, this is people.
[01:45:47]  I hate countries.
[01:45:48]  I do.
[01:45:49]  I really do.
[01:45:50]  Like, China is this.
[01:45:51]  Like, man.
[01:45:53]  Whenever people are talking about this, whenever people are talking about global affairs...
[01:45:57]  The personification of countries.
[01:45:59]  Yeah, I really think about it and it's like, do you know what's going on?
[01:46:02]  There's like 30,000 people who can make decisions right now.
[01:46:05]  And we all pretend that there's countries.
[01:46:07]  That's the reality.
[01:46:09]  If you added up everybody who could make a choice that would have a difference, that would impose its will upon this world, there's like 30,000 people.
[01:46:17]  And I have to pretend that it's China or whatever.
[01:46:21]  And those 30,000 people, at least in countries that have democracies in place and such, are just the people who are like anybody else.
[01:46:30]  And in theory, you could vote them out.
[01:46:32]  In theory.
[01:46:34]  Yeah.
[01:46:35]  I don't know.
[01:46:36]  Anyway, Nick argues that Jewish people hate whites.
[01:46:40]  Sure.
[01:46:41]  This is not good.
[01:46:42]  That's not good.
[01:46:43]  Why would the ADL openly Fund the curriculum that whites are inherently evil.
[01:46:49]  That is so racist.
[01:46:51]  It's Hitler behavior.
[01:46:54]  I agree, yeah.
[01:46:54]  I mean, they hate whites.
[01:46:55]  They absolutely hate whites.
[01:46:57]  And they talk about they want America to be a white minority country.
[01:47:01]  They want America to lose it.
[01:47:02]  What is the point of that if the majority of white people are pro-Israel?
[01:47:05]  Well, I think that the point of that is that this is a quote from Brett Stevens.
[01:47:10]  Brett Stevens used to write a Jerusalem Post.
[01:47:12]  Now he's at New York Times.
[01:47:14]  He's like a big neocon hawk.
[01:47:16]  He wrote this book, American Retreat.
[01:47:18]  And it's actually interesting.
[01:47:19]  It predicted a lot of what's happening now.
[01:47:21]  But he's in favor of all these wars.
[01:47:23]  And Brett Stevens, he did a debate with Rabbi Shmuley four or five years ago about Trump.
[01:47:28]  And the question is, is Trump good for the Jewish people?
[01:47:30]  And I always love this quote because I think it summed it up nicely.
[01:47:33]  He said that he's against Trump because Trump is hostile to the liberal international principles that have been so good to Jews.
[01:47:42]  And when you really interrogate and think about it, and Hitler talked about the same thing, it's that when you look at a truly open society, a truly liberal, international, open society, that tends to be where the Jewish diaspora feels the most comfortable.
[01:47:57]  Because a lot of these liberal Jewish people, they don't want to move to Israel.
[01:48:01]  Everybody feels the most comfortable!
[01:48:03]  But they also, like Sarah Silverman, when they see an American flag go up, it reminds them of Hitler.
[01:48:09]  And maybe you've seen that clip.
[01:48:10]  She says, my boyfriend put an American flag up in the front lawn and it made me think of Hitler.
[01:48:14]  And so they have this sort of histrionic fear of nationalism or of white solidarity because they recognize that in any kind of country that's Christian nationalist or God forbid if there's a white nation, well, they're going to stick out like a sore thumb and be the aliens.
[01:48:29]  So it sort of behooves them for a country to be as diverse and sort of Star Wars cantina as possible.
[01:48:36]  Yikes.
[01:48:37]  So yeah, I do think that there might be a tradition with white solidarity groups of being pretty hostile to Jews.
[01:48:49]  It's funny that histrionic and historical sound so close together.
[01:48:53]  You know, it is kind of almost too on the nose.
[01:48:56]  Yeah.
[01:48:57]  I mean, I don't know if I'm going to go ahead and necessarily take Sarah Silverman, something she said, as the end-all be-all.
[01:49:06]  And I think, if I recall correctly, that was about the association of Trump with the flag.
[01:49:10]  Yeah.
[01:49:11]  And so, I mean, regardless, I think your yelling kind of made the point.
[01:49:18]  I think that...
[01:49:19]  Yeah.
[01:49:21]  And when you're talking about something that you think is a real good point...
[01:49:26]  And you're like, Hitler wrote about this.
[01:49:29]  It's usually a sign of where you're at.
[01:49:34]  There is a part...
[01:49:36]  ...of me that hates him most just because he thinks he's so fucking cool for saying that.
[01:49:42]  He thinks he's so fucking hard.
[01:49:44]  He slid it in.
[01:49:45]  He's the guy who can do...
[01:49:47]  Oh my god, shut the fuck up.
[01:49:49]  He's hot-dogging on Alex.
[01:49:51]  You're just a racist.
[01:49:52]  True.
[01:49:52]  There's nothing special about you.
[01:49:54]  Well, he's only special in as much as we...
[01:49:57]  I don't know if...
[01:49:59]  We've seen one quite like him in a few years.
[01:50:02]  You know?
[01:50:03]  Sure.
[01:50:03]  But that's not that special.

=== Advice on Dating and Reproduction (06:48) ===

[01:50:05]  I would say that if you are next to Alex, you're there because you want to feel more special than you are.
[01:50:11]  I definitely think that's one of the appeals of going to InfoWars Studios.
[01:50:14]  You probably feel pretty great.
[01:50:16]  You feel pretty great about yourself.
[01:50:17]  So again, we hear about the speakership.
[01:50:21]  Still no one knows anything about Mike Johnson.
[01:50:23]  The jury's out on Mike Johnson.
[01:50:25]  You ain't called for Pelosi's arrest.
[01:50:27]  Says he's against the Ukraine war, but he also voted for it.
[01:50:30]  I'm not ready to pass judgment on the new speaker.
[01:50:33]  We're going to have to do some major research on that before we do.
[01:50:36]  You're a pretty informed person, Nick Fuentes.
[01:50:39]  What do you think?
[01:50:41]  Well, I don't know much about Mike Johnson.
[01:50:43]  He was pretty far down the list.
[01:50:45]  You know, they went through Scalise and Jordan and Emmer and Donalds.
[01:50:49]  And so this is really, I think this is, what, their fourth or fifth guy.
[01:50:52]  And I don't know that much about him.
[01:50:54]  No one does, turns out.
[01:50:56]  And a fucking name like Mike Johnson.
[01:50:58]  That's the way you do it.
[01:50:59]  Couldn't have been blander.
[01:51:00]  I mean, it is the most invisible white man thing that you can be.
[01:51:06]  Just be a Mike Johnson.
[01:51:08]  And, by the way, learn a little bit more, you're going to love him.
[01:51:11]  Yeah, it's great.
[01:51:13]  So, I think the coffee breaks are starting to get to Alex.
[01:51:17]  I'm feeling a different tone.
[01:51:19]  And wait for how different this tone is.
[01:51:22]  Let me ask you this, because one of your biggest criticisms is...
[01:51:26]  People sit back, and maybe it's tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure it is.
[01:51:30]  You say, I don't get the exact quote, there's nothing more gay than being obsessed with women, or whatever the quote is.
[01:51:37]  It's something like that, correct me if I'm wrong.
[01:51:38]  And I think it would be really good for your PR, plus it's a lot of fun.
[01:51:42]  Why don't you get married and have some babies?
[01:51:44]  I think the best advice I can give you, Nick, is get a girlfriend, get married.
[01:51:50]  Man, you'd be even, plus it's a lot of fun to have kids and be married.
[01:51:54]  Where are you on?
[01:51:55]  What was the quote about it's gay to be into women?
[01:51:57]  I said the gayest thing.
[01:51:59]  What did I say?
[01:52:00]  I said the straightest thing is to be an asexual incel.
[01:52:03]  But I said that in the context here.
[01:52:06]  You're a guy.
[01:52:07]  You're an entertainer.
[01:52:08]  You say you ham it up a little bit.
[01:52:10]  It's a joke.
[01:52:12]  Partially.
[01:52:12]  But the point is this.
[01:52:14]  There's a lot of guys.
[01:52:15]  One of my favorite rants you ever did, you said that young men today don't care about Magellan or Columbus.
[01:52:21]  They care about Justin Bieber.
[01:52:23]  They care about silly stuff.
[01:52:24]  That's a favorite quote of yours?
[01:52:27]  Women just for women is a distraction.
[01:52:28]  Exactly, yeah.
[01:52:29]  The simping that goes on, these guys, they're basically like male feminists, and their whole obsession is sex, women, girlfriend, that sort of thing.
[01:52:38]  And even the whole arrangement these days, you know, you have these guys, they'll date a woman for 10 years and not get married.
[01:52:44]  They'll date a woman, they'll cohabitate, then they get married, and then they get divorced.
[01:52:50]  It's just a lot of silly stuff.
[01:52:52]  Let me give you a little advice.
[01:52:55]  When the baby's born, you're going to love it, and something's going to flip in your head, but when it's sitting on your knee at six months, man, you're a whole other man.
[01:53:02]  I love more of this.
[01:53:03]  Everybody should have children.
[01:53:05]  It is magic.
[01:53:06]  Do you ever want to have children?
[01:53:07]  Absolutely, yeah.
[01:53:08]  I'm going to have kids in my life, but...
[01:53:11]  You know, right now.
[01:53:12]  But I figure that clip was out of context, because I've seen other stuff you've said.
[01:53:15]  But that's what they did.
[01:53:16]  Yeah, that's what they do.
[01:53:17]  See, now that's an option that I didn't know was available.
[01:53:20]  And it's not available, because, again, I'm limited.
[01:53:22]  I'm limited in my imagination by professionalism, right?
[01:53:26]  I didn't realize that an option that's available to Alex on a show is if Nick Fuentes is making you feel uncomfortable by being, you know, able to talk to you about things.
[01:53:36]  Just act like his weird, creepy uncle!
[01:53:39]  That's available to him!
[01:53:41]  Yeah.
[01:53:42]  Well, I mean, Nick does say shit like that.
[01:53:44]  Yeah!
[01:53:44]  And it's like, why not be like, hey, didn't you say it was gay to have sex with women?
[01:53:47]  Hey!
[01:53:48]  You gonna get married?
[01:53:49]  You dating anybody right now?
[01:53:51]  Who you dating?
[01:53:52]  Tell me a little bit about you.
[01:53:53]  Let me tell you about the joy of having white babies.
[01:53:55]  You know, here's the type of lady I like.
[01:53:58]  You want to tell me about the type of lady you like, Nick?
[01:54:00]  Like, yeah, he's got that available.
[01:54:02]  Get the fuck out of there!
[01:54:05]  The vision of a woman or behavior is the most important thing, but who she is.
[01:54:09]  But what, what, you like brunettes?
[01:54:10]  You like blondes?
[01:54:11]  You like redheads?
[01:54:11]  I like an Italian girl.
[01:54:12]  I like a brunette Italian girl with white eyes.
[01:54:15]  But it's very important to me.
[01:54:16]  I'm really looking at it.
[01:54:17]  I want a genetic, I'm looking at it from a genetic point of view.
[01:54:20]  I'm going a little hip.
[01:54:22]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:54:23]  Blah, blah, blah.
[01:54:25]  I want my kids to have hair.
[01:54:26]  So I want her parents to have good hair.
[01:54:29]  I want her to be smart.
[01:54:31]  No offense.
[01:54:33]  But I'm joking.
[01:54:34]  Having hair is not a denominator of smarts.
[01:54:37]  True.
[01:54:38]  Well, yeah, and I agree with that.
[01:54:40]  So you want to marry, like, spy chiefs and rocket scientists like my family?
[01:54:43]  Exactly.
[01:54:44]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:54:45]  Kind of combine both sides.
[01:54:47]  That's right, yeah.
[01:54:48]  You and me coming together.
[01:54:49]  Produce the ultimate.
[01:54:50]  Oh, we're going to get married now.
[01:54:52]  Yeah, you and me are going to get married.
[01:54:55]  Yeah, could you imagine?
[01:54:56]  Nick, you're a handsome guy, but I'm not going to do it.
[01:54:58]  Sorry.
[01:54:58]  Or Uncle Hitler coming together.
[01:55:01]  Daddy and baby Hitler.
[01:55:04]  That's right.
[01:55:05]  Yeah, so probably an Italian person.
[01:55:09]  That's where we wind up with all of that done.
[01:55:12]  Yep.
[01:55:13]  All the journey taken, our fucking feet have finally hit the fucking end of the road, and it's probably an Italian.
[01:55:21]  I like to reproduce with an Italian person.
[01:55:23]  I mean, great.
[01:55:25]  Great.
[01:55:25]  Okay.
[01:55:26]  Sure.
[01:55:27]  I mean, that's fine.
[01:55:28]  I have no opinion on this.
[01:55:30]  It's an interesting place for this to go, certainly.
[01:55:35]  Yeah.
[01:55:36]  I think that most interviews aren't going to end up with...
[01:55:42]  What are you liking a lady?
[01:55:43]  I will say that.
[01:55:45]  That is a...
[01:55:46]  I appreciate...
[01:55:47]  You know, it's always made me uncomfortable.
[01:55:50]  And this just really makes it very clear.
[01:55:53]  You know, like, if you are a person who treats an entire gender like a pizza, you're not gonna have a good time.
[01:56:02]  Probably not.
[01:56:03]  Nah.
[01:56:04]  It's gonna be a bad day.
[01:56:05]  He's ordering toppings here.
[01:56:06]  Exactly.
[01:56:07]  Italian.
[01:56:08]  Yeah.
[01:56:08]  Burnet.
[01:56:09]  I mean, it is literally...
[01:56:11]  Well, because he's trying to create his genetic baby.
[01:56:14]  Right.
[01:56:14]  He's trying to create his perfect white baby.
[01:56:17]  Right.
[01:56:17]  Yeah.
[01:56:18]  Maybe a person.
[01:56:19]  Maybe meet one.
[01:56:20]  No.
[01:56:21]  Okay.
[01:56:21]  Fair enough.
[01:56:22]  Good point.
[01:56:22]  Women are a tool by which you have a family.
[01:56:25]  Yeah.
[01:56:26]  As opposed to it's another person that you're engaged in a thing with.
[01:56:30]  What can I order?
[01:56:31]  How long does it take to deliver to my door?
[01:56:33]  Now, as surprising as this little conversation about you should have kids is, one of the things when you're doing lines of coffee is you're prone to mood swings.

=== You Want to Hurt (15:50) ===

[01:56:47]  That'll happen.
[01:56:48]  And so, Alex, this is out of nowhere.
[01:56:51]  Okay.
[01:56:52]  And it's harsh.
[01:56:53]  Okay.
[01:56:54]  Yeah, what's your family think of what you're doing?
[01:56:56]  I mean, they don't agree with everything I say, but they support what I'm doing.
[01:57:00]  You know, my parents, they're real boomers.
[01:57:02]  They're like, go and do whatever makes you happy, man.
[01:57:05]  Well, I'll say this.
[01:57:07]  When the universities and the public schools and the elementary schools are teaching white people are bad, I say to the left and CNN and ADL, all bets are off.
[01:57:16]  You can't point at this guy with race-based politics when he's a 2 and you're a 10 and then say he's the devil.
[01:57:22]  I mean, that's where I'm at.
[01:57:25]  I've tried to sell Americana.
[01:57:27]  I've really tried to get everybody on the same page.
[01:57:30]  I've done the best job I can.
[01:57:31]  I believe in everybody.
[01:57:32]  But my six-and-a-half-year-old daughter is homeschooled, but we put her on a lot of exercise camps.
[01:57:38]  She's like a little Arnold Schwarzenegger.
[01:57:40]  And she came home a few weeks ago and told me she was at this camp.
[01:57:44]  During the break at lunch, they aired over the air speakers.
[01:57:47]  She really doesn't make stuff up.
[01:57:48]  This is adult stuff.
[01:57:49]  She's super smart.
[01:57:50]  Veronica.
[01:57:51]  And she told me, they told me, white people are bad.
[01:57:53]  Am I bad?
[01:57:54]  It's over, folks.
[01:57:56]  Done.
[01:57:56]  Passed the Rubicon.
[01:57:58]  You won it.
[01:57:58]  You got it now.
[01:57:59]  You messed with my six-year-old.
[01:58:01]  It's over.
[01:58:02]  So, you won it.
[01:58:03]  You finally got what you wanted.
[01:58:05]  I'm going to have you piece of my dog with his bag and his wife.
[01:58:08]  Fuck you!
[01:58:09]  Fuck you for that, you pieces of fucking lettuce shit!
[01:58:13]  So that's where I'm at.
[01:58:14]  Gloves are off now.
[01:58:15]  That's where he's at?
[01:58:16]  Yeah.
[01:58:17]  That's where he's at.
[01:58:17]  If I'm naked, I'm sitting there like, what the fuck?
[01:58:19]  Where did this come from?
[01:58:20]  That is just...
[01:58:23]  You just don't get that anywhere else.
[01:58:25]  With nothing being said that's relevant in any way, Alex has just been like...
[01:58:31]  I'm with you now, man.
[01:58:32]  Yep.
[01:58:32]  I'm a full Nazi.
[01:58:33]  Mask off.
[01:58:34]  Time to do it.
[01:58:35]  Because my daughter went to a camp and they said she was bad because she's white and now I'm a Nazi.
[01:58:41]  Now I'm a Nazi.
[01:58:42]  I tried to do Americana.
[01:58:44]  I did it.
[01:58:44]  I tried.
[01:58:45]  I did the best I could.
[01:58:46]  And now I have to exterminate all non-white people.
[01:58:50]  Gloves are off, you leftist pieces of shit.
[01:58:53]  Man.
[01:58:54]  All right, buddy.
[01:58:55]  Calm down.
[01:58:56]  The one saving grace of this horrific, Terrifying, like, almost banal and psychopathic discussion of the worst that humanity has to offer.
[01:59:08]  Is that Alex is just an idiotic buffoon.
[01:59:12]  Yeah.
[01:59:13]  At the end of the day.
[01:59:14]  I mean, it's what makes this prism in any way entertaining.
[01:59:21]  Yeah.
[01:59:22]  You know, like, looking at what they're doing is, without the buffoonery.
[01:59:29]  Would be just a dry, kind of awful thing to look at.
[01:59:34]  Just non-stop depression.
[01:59:35]  And it still bums me out.
[01:59:36]  It still depresses me.
[01:59:37]  But at least Alex has these mood swings.
[01:59:41]  I mean...
[01:59:42]  It's...
[01:59:43]  It's something.
[01:59:45]  It is.
[01:59:46]  And it's so...
[01:59:47]  The end result of going to the coffee room.
[01:59:50]  I mean, it is.
[01:59:52]  It is.
[01:59:53]  It's...
[01:59:56]  Chekhov's coffee room.
[02:00:00]  And, you know, this is the same theme that was playing a little bit earlier, the trying to create a justification for your bigotry.
[02:00:11]  But what Alex isn't taking into consideration is what Nick actually believes.
[02:00:17]  He's signing on to what Nick's saying, and that is that Jewish people are the devil.
[02:00:23]  Right.
[02:00:25]  So, that's what Alex, that the gloves are off there, Alex?
[02:00:29]  Yes, I believe Alex has just said that he is fine with, I guess, all Jews being killed.
[02:00:37]  Or at least expelled forcefully.
[02:00:39]  Sure.
[02:00:39]  So, he's really mad about this very true story about his daughter at this camp.
[02:00:45]  Yeah, it sounds so true.
[02:00:46]  It's so true.
[02:00:46]  It sounds so absurdly true.
[02:00:48]  I've heard from a very reliable source that his daughter does not make things up.
[02:00:52]  Especially not whenever it would make her dad incredibly happy to hear exactly the thing that she says.
[02:00:57]  Right.
[02:00:58]  A six-year-old who's only lived with Alex and is homeschooled.
[02:01:03]  Yeah.
[02:01:04]  Reliable source.
[02:01:06]  They're trying to brainwash children.
[02:01:09]  And your children.
[02:01:10]  And I read the news.
[02:01:11]  They're covertly everywhere.
[02:01:13]  They keep files on kids in the public schools and hide it from the parents.
[02:01:16]  I mean, it's like, whoa, you're going to teach my beautiful daughter she's bad because she's white?
[02:01:22]  Fuck you.
[02:01:23]  I mean, that's all I can say is burn in hell, man.
[02:01:26]  If you want to make it, you got it.
[02:01:28]  You got what you want.
[02:01:29]  Yeah.
[02:01:30]  Well, and that's the important thing.
[02:01:31]  Because they started it.
[02:01:32]  They drew first blood.
[02:01:33]  They did.
[02:01:33]  Yeah.
[02:01:34]  Well, yeah.
[02:01:34]  I mean, we wanted to be left alone.
[02:01:36]  Did they?
[02:01:36]  We're patriots.
[02:01:37]  I'm sorry, did you?
[02:01:37]  We wanted to do our thing and, you know, work hard.
[02:01:39]  Well, let's be clear.
[02:01:40]  It's not the average Hispanic or black person that's doing this.
[02:01:43]  No.
[02:01:43]  It's the establishment.
[02:01:44]  Whoever that is.
[02:01:45]  100%.
[02:01:45]  Whoever that is.
[02:01:46]  One of my children.
[02:01:48]  Wow.
[02:01:48]  Whoever that is.
[02:01:50]  Game over.
[02:01:51]  You won it.
[02:01:51]  You got it.
[02:01:52]  So this is the change.
[02:01:53]  It's here.
[02:01:54]  Get used to it, folks.
[02:01:55]  So this is the change.
[02:01:56]  It's here.
[02:01:57]  Get used to it, folks.
[02:01:59]  So is that meaning there's an editorial change at Infowars that's being signified by this substance-fueled outburst?
[02:02:07]  Probably.
[02:02:08]  No.
[02:02:08]  I mean, it's always been the same thing.
[02:02:10]  It's just, like, this isn't different.
[02:02:13]  No.
[02:02:14]  It's just an anger and an Alex owning up to what he actually stands for.
[02:02:19]  Yeah.
[02:02:20]  Yeah.
[02:02:22]  Man, that sucks.
[02:02:24]  It really sucks.
[02:02:25]  It does.
[02:02:25]  It just sucks.
[02:02:27]  It does.
[02:02:28]  Yep.
[02:02:29]  Don't get drunk at work.
[02:02:30]  I mean, it's unadvisable.
[02:02:32]  Especially when you're hanging out with baby Hitler and trying to have an adult conversation where you push back on the things he's saying.
[02:02:39]  Because honestly, if I'm Nick right now, I'm laughing my ass off.
[02:02:43]  Because this guy has just given up entirely.
[02:02:47]  I mean, he's saying that everything I'm saying is right.
[02:02:49]  Right.
[02:02:50]  And I'm going to lead him down the path.
[02:02:52]  And not just that.
[02:02:52]  It's everybody else's fault.
[02:02:54]  Yeah.
[02:02:55]  Oh, yeah.
[02:02:55]  And just like, I'm just going to bring him along.
[02:02:58]  Just string him.
[02:02:59]  We all have to come together and oppose a globalist.
[02:03:02]  Well, we beat Hitler.
[02:03:03]  Now we're facing things far worse.
[02:03:05]  100%.
[02:03:06]  Well, because they're motivated by the devil.
[02:03:08]  I mean, it's nothing short of Satanism.
[02:03:10]  What, teaching six-year-old girls their baggers or wives?
[02:03:12]  That's not evil?
[02:03:13]  It is.
[02:03:14]  That's what I'm saying.
[02:03:15]  That's devil.
[02:03:15]  That's straight up from the devil.
[02:03:17]  It is from Satan.
[02:03:18]  They crossed the line.
[02:03:20]  You can lie about me, but not my kids, man.
[02:03:22]  Yeah.
[02:03:23]  Yeah.
[02:03:23]  And they're doing that to this entire country.
[02:03:26]  That's our entire progeny.
[02:03:27]  Our being sent to war, genitals chopped off, sold into death slavery.
[02:03:31]  It's because the people that lead the country, they don't love God, and they hate this country.
[02:03:36]  They're not loyal to this country.
[02:03:38]  They're not loyal to us.
[02:03:39]  They're not loyal to the human species.
[02:03:41]  No.
[02:03:41]  No.
[02:03:42]  They worship death.
[02:03:43]  And I think they commune with demons.
[02:03:46]  That's the only thing that explains it.
[02:03:48]  Oh, at Skull and Bones, they do weeks of chanting to become possessed.
[02:03:54]  Yeah.
[02:03:55]  Two minutes to break, Nick.
[02:03:56]  Keep going.
[02:03:57]  Keep going, Nick.
[02:03:58]  Two minutes to break.
[02:03:58]  Two minutes to break.
[02:03:59]  It's sad our lamenting of the imagination.
[02:04:02]  It's too bad that you just got real fucked up out of nowhere, huh?
[02:04:07]  Yeah.
[02:04:07]  Yeah.
[02:04:09]  So, Nick is clearly talking about Jewish people.
[02:04:12]  He's signifying with things like, they're not loyal to this country.
[02:04:16]  You know, these are all buzz code words.
[02:04:20]  That he's, you know, they don't believe in Christ.
[02:04:23]  All of these things are his code for, I'm talking about Jewish people.
[02:04:28]  And Alex is like, you bet, man.
[02:04:29]  You fucking bet.
[02:04:30]  They're all demons.
[02:04:32]  Yep.
[02:04:32]  And the reason that he's, and he's so, it's ironically comforting for Alex.
[02:04:38]  And that's why you bring the demons in there at the end, because Alex will be like, yeah, demons, that makes sense to me.
[02:04:43]  Yeah.
[02:04:43]  Doesn't matter what you're describing.
[02:04:44]  Oh, demons?
[02:04:45]  Okay, now I get what you're...
[02:04:46]  Okay, yeah.
[02:04:47]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:04:47]  Demons, cool.
[02:04:48]  We got it.
[02:04:48]  He's like somebody who...
[02:04:52]  I can't even come up with a metaphor.
[02:04:54]  No, because he's only Alex.
[02:04:56]  No, I was talking about Nick.
[02:04:57]  He's just seeing somebody who's like, all right, they're out of their mind now.
[02:05:02]  I'm going to use this for my purposes.
[02:05:04]  Oh, he's made the sale.
[02:05:05]  He's made the sale, and now he's just trying to get a...
[02:05:08]  Maybe he'll get a warranty.
[02:05:11]  Hey, you want an extended warranty out of this one?
[02:05:13]  I was thinking about it being somebody who has ill will, but is that a chill-out tent?
[02:05:18]  Or something like that.
[02:05:19]  It's like Alex is out of his mind, and he's going to sell him a timeshare.
[02:05:23]  Somebody who's out there trying to ruin trips?
[02:05:26]  Yes, yes, yes, basically.
[02:05:28]  I like that.
[02:05:29]  Okay.
[02:05:30]  So also, you have this earlier thing where Nick is talking about the way that states call other states demons and they're evil in order to facilitate and justify violence against them.
[02:05:43]  Now, I do believe that there are literal demons talking to the people who run those states.
[02:05:47]  Right, and they're Jewish.
[02:05:48]  And they're Jewish, yeah.
[02:05:50]  This is comical, this...
[02:05:52]  So I told you earlier to keep in mind the idea that this is all about Christianity.
[02:05:58]  This is about his firm belief in Christianity and nothing else.
[02:06:03]  Christ.
[02:06:04]  And maybe not.
[02:06:06]  Oh.
[02:06:06]  And that's why in some sense I see a little kinship even with the Muslims.
[02:06:10]  Because like you said, like in Dearborn, they're protesting this stuff too.
[02:06:13]  I'm not in favor of, I'm not Muslim.
[02:06:15]  No, but I think the lesser of two evils is the Muslims compared to Hollywood.
[02:06:19]  Exactly.
[02:06:19]  Yeah, because even the Muslims would say, don't touch our kids.
[02:06:23]  Don't cut our kids' genitals off.
[02:06:25]  Even they understand.
[02:06:26]  Well, they don't just understand.
[02:06:27]  They'll stand up.
[02:06:28]  Right.
[02:06:29]  They go out there and fight.
[02:06:31]  Well, I said maybe if Christianity won't stand up, maybe Islam is.
[02:06:35]  I mean, you know what I mean?
[02:06:35]  If Christianity doesn't show up, I mean, maybe it's Islam.
[02:06:38]  That's what I'm saying.
[02:06:39]  That doesn't make me a Muslim.
[02:06:41]  Doesn't mean I love that whole situation.
[02:06:43]  But Christians won't fight.
[02:06:45]  But they need to.
[02:06:46]  Yeah, so Christians won't fight.
[02:06:48]  And, you know, maybe the Muslims are the...
[02:06:51]  You know, the thought occurred to me.
[02:06:55]  I was like, it's been a problem for humanity.
[02:06:58]  You know, the religions always do in all their fighting.
[02:07:01]  There's a lot of fighting that is religiously based.
[02:07:02]  But, you know, now that I think about it, maybe I think it's good because the people in the religions who want to do the fighting are fighting each other.
[02:07:09]  Not us!
[02:07:11]  You know?
[02:07:12]  Like, what if all the religious people got together and then came after the rest of us?
[02:07:17]  That's not good!
[02:07:18]  That's real bad.
[02:07:19]  And that is kind of a little bit what...
[02:07:22]  No, no, no.
[02:07:23]  Islam, Christianity, keep fighting.
[02:07:25]  Keep fighting, guys.
[02:07:26]  You guys, oh, you hate each other so much.
[02:07:27]  Oh, religion's real.
[02:07:29]  Go, get fighting.
[02:07:30]  Oh, it's God.
[02:07:31]  He's going to kick you.
[02:07:32]  There is a certain amount of what Nick and Alex are saying here that is like...
[02:07:37]  Let's just get together and kill all the left-leaning people.
[02:07:41]  Yeah, let's kill the left.
[02:07:42]  Everybody who says we shouldn't use religion to kill people, we should use our religion to kill them.
[02:07:48]  And maybe we should just go Muslim.
[02:07:50]  Why not?
[02:07:51]  Maybe it's that we don't actually believe any of the tenets of any of the books.
[02:07:56]  We just know that the ones that we like give us the opportunity to exploit them, to commit the acts of violence we like so much.
[02:08:04]  And that's how we get to the last clip.
[02:08:06]  Oh, boy.
[02:08:07]  And Andrew Tate, you know, I've seen his appearances on this show, and he's obviously a Muslim, and he says it.
[02:08:13]  He says, you know, the Christians won't stand up.
[02:08:15]  And sadly, as a Christian, I...
[02:08:17]  So he wants to know the fighters.
[02:08:18]  Right.
[02:08:19]  That's why he joined Islam.
[02:08:21]  And I get it.
[02:08:22]  Sneeko did the same thing.
[02:08:23]  He's a friend of mine, and he said, I have to go with the Muslims because they're the ones standing up to all this stuff.
[02:08:28]  Now, I think that the solution, because Christianity is true, is that we just need the Christians to stand up.
[02:08:33]  But Christians are afraid of losing their jobs or getting canceled or stuff like that.
[02:08:38]  We need people to get bold.
[02:08:39]  Well, they're not really Christians.
[02:08:41]  No.
[02:08:42]  That's cowardice.
[02:08:43]  This has been an incredible debate.
[02:08:44]  You're a bad baby.
[02:08:45]  What?
[02:08:46]  You're bad.
[02:08:48]  It's not been an incredible debate.
[02:08:51]  And I think, if I had to assess this, Nick is still giving lip service to be like, you know, Christianity is what's right.
[02:08:58]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[02:08:59]  But there is a, like, I want the fight more.
[02:09:03]  Yeah, violence is what's right.
[02:09:04]  Violence is really, and I want that violence to be targeted in the directions that I want it to.
[02:09:09]  And when we said, like, hey, let's get these religions together to attack the left, really what he is wanting is to attack Jews.
[02:09:17]  Yeah.
[02:09:17]  Like, he would be, like, Sneeko is not becoming a Muslim because of, like, Christianity.
[02:09:24]  Right, right, right.
[02:09:25]  It's anti-Semitism.
[02:09:25]  Right, right, right, right.
[02:09:29]  I think that they just want violence.
[02:09:31]  They just want an outlet for violence.
[02:09:33]  And because of the image that they have built up in their head of Islam, that is what is violent to them.
[02:09:40]  And so, that is bad.
[02:09:43]  Just bad thinking?
[02:09:44]  Yeah.
[02:09:45]  Bad rhetoric.
[02:09:46]  Trash all around.
[02:09:48]  I feel like an invalidation of a lot of the...
[02:09:52]  I mean, you know, the weird thing is that the problem isn't that the thinking's bad, it's that he's lying about it.
[02:10:00]  Right.
[02:10:00]  And he just won't be...
[02:10:01]  Like, why can't just be honest?
[02:10:03]  Like, right?
[02:10:03]  Just be honest.
[02:10:05]  Well...
[02:10:05]  You're Nick Fuentes.
[02:10:06]  You have hung out with Ye saying that you love Hitler.
[02:10:10]  Just be honest with yourself and say you don't give a fuck about religion.
[02:10:14]  You want to hurt the people that you want to hurt.
[02:10:16]  That's the denial of the brand.
[02:10:19]  He can't do that.
[02:10:21]  Yeah, it is an interesting thing where there is so much freedom that he has, and yet there is the inability to just cut the shit with your belief, like your insistence on, this is motivated by my religion.
[02:10:38]  Yeah.
[02:10:39]  It is not.
[02:10:42]  Yeah, it is a man talking to an audience.
[02:10:45]  Like, we hear so many, you know, he's talking to this audience.
[02:10:48]  And then whenever he's in this audience, he's going to talk to that audience.
[02:10:51]  You know, those types of things.
[02:10:53]  And, you know, that's fine.
[02:10:55]  I've talked to many different types of audience, and I don't talk the exact same way to all of them.
[02:11:00]  But I am, that's who I am, you know?
[02:11:04]  Like, I'm never like, oh, well, this audience will like me more.
[02:11:10]  If I pretend to be something, and then as long as I convince them that I am that thing, then it doesn't matter what I actually am.
[02:11:17]  But here's the thing.
[02:11:19]  Any audience that Nick is in front of, he's going to have that Christian extremist.
[02:11:26]  It's not put on for Alex's audience.
[02:11:29]  No, no, no, no, no.
[02:11:31]  He is talking to them in a way that is more crypto of a lot of the bigotries that he has.
[02:11:39]  And I think that that is a hope that some of them will migrate over to him.
[02:11:45]  But he's much more blunt than a lot of other folks who come around Infowars are.
[02:11:52]  That's true.
[02:11:52]  And I would say that at least I appreciate that this didn't have much to do with current events.
[02:11:59]  Yeah, it is nice.
[02:12:00]  I was pretty much dreading the idea that it would just be an hour and a half of them.
[02:12:05]  Yeah.
[02:12:06]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:12:07]  Getting into the weeds on that.
[02:12:09]  And at least it was more about their interpersonal problems and hashing out, like, Nick, you said I was a shill.

=== Seeing the Violent Underbelly (01:40) ===

[02:12:17]  Sure.
[02:12:18]  Kind of stuff.
[02:12:19]  And then Alex sort of having his own personal drama.
[02:12:22]  And his come-to, ironically, his come-to-Jesus moment about how he's actually a Nazi.
[02:12:27]  His come-to-Muslim moment.
[02:12:30]  I mean.
[02:12:31]  Oh, boy.
[02:12:32]  I think that clip where he's like, I drew first blood.
[02:12:37]  That to me is real troubling because I don't think it really means anything.
[02:12:43]  No.
[02:12:43]  Because his beliefs prior to this and obviously going forward will be similarly terrible.
[02:12:49]  Yeah.
[02:12:50]  But I don't believe the in vino veritas thing.
[02:12:56]  I don't really buy into that.
[02:12:58]  Yeah.
[02:12:58]  But I do think...
[02:13:00]  That what you're seeing is Alex a little fucked up, getting into some of the feelings that he has.
[02:13:05]  Yeah.
[02:13:06]  And some of those feelings are the more violent things.
[02:13:09]  That is underneath the surface.
[02:13:11]  That fuck you, you fucking shit.
[02:13:13]  Fuck, fuck, fuck.
[02:13:14]  Like, that is underneath a lot of what he tries to present as, like, these are well thought out research.
[02:13:22]  I love me some research.
[02:13:24]  Yeah, it's not so much the sounds that he's making.
[02:13:27]  It's the way and the tone they have, you know?
[02:13:31]  And the sounds that he's not making.
[02:13:33]  Right, right.
[02:13:34]  It's jazz.
[02:13:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:13:36]  Just because the sounds he's making come to us and they look like words, you know?

=== Back With Another Episode (00:56) ===

[02:13:40]  You feel like they're words and mean things.
[02:13:42]  That's not the case.
[02:13:43]  Not always.
[02:13:44]  No.
[02:13:44]  Anyway, this sucked.
[02:13:46]  Yep.
[02:13:47]  I hate it.
[02:13:47]  Who's Mike Johnson?
[02:13:48]  I don't know.
[02:13:50]  I think...
[02:13:53]  That's my takeaway from this.
[02:13:54]  I think he was on the Milwaukee Bucks in, like, the 70s.
[02:14:00]  Okay, I can see that.
[02:14:01]  I think he was a shooting guard for the Bucks.
[02:14:05]  Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan, with another episode.
[02:14:08]  But until then, we have a website.
[02:14:09]  Indeed we do.
[02:14:10]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[02:14:11]  Yep, we're also on Twitter.
[02:14:12]  We are on Twitter.
[02:14:13]  It's at knowledge underscore fight.
[02:14:14]  Yep.
[02:14:15]  We'll be back.
[02:14:16]  But until then, I'm Neo.
[02:14:17]  I'm DZX Clark.
[02:14:18]  This space will be filled by a bit in the future.
[02:14:21]  It is yet to be determined.
[02:14:23]  Woo!
[02:14:23]  Yeah!
[02:14:24]  Woo!
[02:14:25]  Yeah!
[02:14:25]  Woo!
[02:14:26]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[02:14:28]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[02:14:30]  Thanks for holding.
[02:14:32]  Hello, Alex.
[02:14:33]  I'm a first-time caller.
[02:14:34]  I'm a huge fan.
[02:14:35]  I love your work.