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Oct. 2, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
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#854: September 29, 2023

September 29, 2023’s Knowledge Fight episode dismantles Alex Jones’ baseless "replacement migration" claims—like Bloomberg’s 94% non-white hiring stat (ignoring 6.4M total jobs and white dominance in leadership)—and his debunked ties between undocumented immigrants, policing, and military drafts, including fabricated "Soros DAs" narratives. His cannibalism survivalist rant, framed as dark humor, reveals attention-seeking desperation amid financial losses, while hosts mock the viral shock tactics. Jones’ fear-mongering, rooted in white victimhood tropes, collapses under scrutiny, exposing his reliance on semantic distortions over facts. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 24:45
d
dan friesen
01:11:17
j
jordan holmes
30:51
Appearances
Clips
b
barack obama
d 00:21
j
joe biden
d 00:17
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Speaker Time Text
joe biden
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Rattler.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
Andy.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the earth for holdings.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish in Colorado Huge fan.
joe biden
I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm George.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is we are home.
Oh, yeah.
We are off the road.
You know, the road dog lifestyle.
It's a little bit rough.
jordan holmes
I mean, old.
I feel old.
dan friesen
I bet you do.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
For some context for listeners, we got back.
And when we get back, we got back.
jordan holmes
I think we got back Thursday, but we also went back in time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So who knows?
That would have been like Friday morning for us.
Right.
Deep Friday morning.
jordan holmes
Deep Friday morning.
Yes.
dan friesen
Shifts.
And we're recording this here on Sunday.
And unfortunately for you, you've had a real rough going.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's been a disaster.
It has been really, really bad.
dan friesen
Whereas I have been smooth sailing through this jet lag.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's amazing.
dan friesen
Non-existent jet lag coming back.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
I don't know if it was because of like sprinkling in some sleep on the plane or muscling through and like going to bed later on that Friday when we got back or Thursday, whatever day that would have been.
I don't know what it is, but I'm very fortunate and I'm sorry for you.
I feel bad for you.
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly, the way I feel about it right now is because your sleep schedule has often been a nightmare.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I feel like that flight home was essentially an El Kabong that re-scrambled your bait.
You got hit with a frying pan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you were like, I'm better now.
dan friesen
I think it's still too early to say for sure.
Because it's only been a few days.
But yeah, if that's the case, I'm not mad at it.
If that coconut fell on my head and fixed my MDT.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, if that works out, that works out.
I'm happy for you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, you know, overall, great trip.
A lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Great to meet so many wonks out there in the wild.
jordan holmes
Could not be happier.
dan friesen
The show in Glasgow, such a great time.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
QED, a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Tons.
dan friesen
And then Amersham Arms in London.
jordan holmes
Closing it out in London was the right move.
dan friesen
Yeah, those two nights were fantastic.
The staff at Amersham Arms could not have been more helpful.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
And just wonderful.
I like, too, that we, you know, we had in Glasgow, we had a theater that we were in that was a repurposed church.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And that had a nice vibe to it in some ways.
It felt like big time.
jordan holmes
It felt a little bit like we're not supposed to be doing a theater.
dan friesen
Right.
There was like amphitheater seating.
Yeah, up in the back.
Totally.
It felt a little bit like we were, yeah, like we shouldn't have been there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then we go to QED and, you know, my talk was in the main ballroom.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
Went great.
dan friesen
Oh, thank you.
jordan holmes
Went great.
People fucking loved it.
dan friesen
But leaving that aside, when we did our podcast, it was in a conference room.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so that had an interesting vibe that was different.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then.
jordan holmes
I felt like we didn't belong there, but for a very different reason.
dan friesen
It was tough to feel at all like anyone belonged to that.
jordan holmes
It's a tough spot for a show show.
dan friesen
It's no one's fault at the conference or anything.
It's just like, this is a strange setup.
I feel like we had those mics, too, that felt like you were at the UN.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Leaning in and answering my question.
But then with the Amersham Arms, that was like a bar.
It was low ceilings.
It felt right in terms of like, this is the environment where if this show is done live, this is kind of how it feels like it should be.
And so that's wonderful.
I appreciated, like you said, closing it out there was the right way to go.
jordan holmes
It felt like that, you know, we both run shows for comedy, for making people laugh.
And then, you know, we've both been around people who run shows that aren't for funniness or their music shows or any number of different things, right?
So both of us have a kind of ideal way of this is how things should go, how they should look, all of that stuff.
Amersham Arms was about as close to somebody else doing it right as I've seen in a long time.
dan friesen
But what's so fun is so much of that seemed like almost accidental.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
It just was that the venue and the space was great.
You know, it wasn't like there was putting on airs.
I mean, probably putting more seats out than they usually do.
A lot more, yeah.
But other than that, just had it.
Had it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It was great.
So other little things about the trip, I guess.
Glasgow, gorgeous city.
I wish we had a little more time to spend there because there was a lot of cool, I just can't get over the river running through the west end of the city.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought that was so cool.
I would have liked to fuck around in the creek bed a little bit.
But then big thing we should probably address.
So we were at QED.
jordan holmes
We could have just moved past it.
dan friesen
I feel like the listeners deserve.
Because I heard some chatter about this.
And so I was like, we should address this.
jordan holmes
Okay, we must.
dan friesen
So we were at QED, and one of the nights there, there was a gala dinner.
And you and I are not gala guys.
jordan holmes
We're not bent for gals.
I mean, there's nice pants there.
I feel uncomfortable around other people wearing nice pants.
dan friesen
If there's a pleat, I'm out.
I'm out.
It just felt like, I don't know about this.
And then simultaneously, we made a couple friends and we were thinking about getting dinner.
And so just like, do that or go to a stuffy seeming gala dinner.
jordan holmes
And we're us.
So like the idea of even being around like being centered around like, you know, there's hundreds of people around me.
You know, and it's fine in a show in this kind of controlled environment.
But at dinner, you don't know what's going on.
No.
A social situation, anything could happen.
dan friesen
No.
And no one was really like, you need to come.
You definitely should come.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
No pressure really being applied.
This is the thing that's happening.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We saved you a seat.
Fine.
So we went to dinner at a pizza place.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it turns out later that evening, we found out that we had won the Occam Award for skeptical activism of the year.
And that they announced that we had won one of them.
jordan holmes
We were not there.
We were not there.
dan friesen
And boy, feel like a couple of assholes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, It is about as, you know, even they made the joke where it is like, it's about as them as you can get that they're not here to accept this award.
That's who they are.
But it's also, I feel like a huge piece of shit.
I really wish we had been there.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
It's on brand conceptually.
Sure.
But in the real world, if someone were going out of their way to, you know, award us something, I would suck it up and deal with the discomfort that I have and be gracious about it.
100%.
If I'd had the awareness.
But thank you to them for the award.
jordan holmes
I appreciate it.
dan friesen
It's on the wall now.
jordan holmes
Right.
I feel like ultimately, you know, it would be our reputation, you know, to be awkward about it and not go to the gala.
But I think what people don't understand is truly our reputation is that the idea of receiving an award never once entered my mind.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Never.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Not once.
dan friesen
There was the process of hearing the news that we'd won the award was a multi-stage.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There's what?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
But appreciated.
Very much so.
And yeah.
Sorry about that.
jordan holmes
It is, it is, you know, I mean, it's become, it is, it's a precedent now, though, that it's possible for us to, you know, because it wasn't even like we had that thought of like, wouldn't it be funny if they, or, or like, maybe they would, or like, we could be in the running or like any of those, nothing along those lines.
alex jones
Nope.
jordan holmes
The idea of an award simply did not exist.
alex jones
Nope.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It just was a situation where a gala dinner seems a little stuffy.
And I don't know what's on the menu.
I'm not sure if I'm going to like anything.
jordan holmes
I'm not that hungry.
dan friesen
It could be like some high-end classy food.
unidentified
I'm totally a dog.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's, we're also not high-end classy food people.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're just not meant for this world, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So all in all, delightful.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
Wouldn't trade it for the world the entire trip and hope to be able to do something like it again, but a bit down the road.
For sure.
For sure.
Because we're tired.
jordan holmes
This will require some recovery time.
dan friesen
So I'm going to get to your bright spot here in a second, but I just want to say just on the piggybacking on this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We did record the shows.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
There are some issues.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The Glasgow show.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
They may or may not have mic'd the audience.
jordan holmes
Let's go if they didn't or forgot to.
dan friesen
They may have, and maybe they just didn't record or something.
unidentified
Possible.
dan friesen
We have a recording of the Glasgow show, which was great, but there is no audience sound.
No.
So we sound insane.
jordan holmes
We sound like we are waiting for, I mean, like, what, a minute, minute and a half to just say something back to each other.
It's insane.
dan friesen
Yep.
So that's a challenge.
I'm not sure how that's going to work out or if it'll be released.
Maybe.
Probably not on our main feed if we do put it out somewhere.
jordan holmes
It will be in the Cabinet of Curiosities.
Right.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
The QED one is fine, although it needs a little bit of work.
The audio.
So that'll come out eventually.
And then the two London ones will come out down the road.
Actually, not down the road, fairly soon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Coming up.
dan friesen
But I felt like it would be weird to just jump straight into those from the time we were away and not be like, we're back.
Hey, everything's great.
Thank you for the fun times on the tour.
Here come some live episodes.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I felt like you need a little bit of a hinge.
jordan holmes
I mean, on the other hand, here's what I forgot.
And again, this might be part of the jet lag.
I was convinced that it's been about a month since we left yesterday.
I was like, what day is it?
Two weeks.
I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Like, I genuinely thought that we had been gone for a full month.
dan friesen
It does.
Yeah.
So we have a lot of consistency and such.
And so two weeks can feel like a month.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's been so long.
dan friesen
Especially when you're jumping around from country to country and, you know, a podcaster's on the run.
jordan holmes
And I don't know.
I mean, for us, come on.
Pre-recorded episodes over plus one week, plus two weeks old.
I don't know if we can handle that.
We're out of our minds.
dan friesen
Sorry about the audio on that Tucker one, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Don't know what happened a lot.
I'll fix it.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have other priorities.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is twofold.
Obviously, my first bright spot is getting to see my wife and my pup.
Sure.
Coming home and doing the whole thing.
You know the whole thing.
The whole thing.
Getting the wife hug, running up, getting the wife hug.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Then her holding them back so they get the good puppy runs.
dan friesen
So you're like.
jordan holmes
You get the little video of the pups going, ah!
dan friesen
You're like one of those soldiers at a football game.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is not stolen valor to love your dog.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
But it does have the echoes of those videos, but that's why I'm also not sharing those ones.
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, I bet that's overwhelming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I, meanwhile, just walked into a very angry cat who wouldn't shut up for like a day.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, you had to be punished.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I just got unconditional, beautiful love and joy.
So that was great.
And then the other thing that was truly great that's my bright spot is like as we're as I'm thinking about the tour and returning to sanity in my own brain, meeting the Wonks after the shows was so amazingly.
I mean, our audience is so inclusive, so loving, so connected to each other.
So many people showed up with solo tickets and left with a group of friends.
That is something that I could not be more shocked and grateful for.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a real treat to be able to facilitate that in some way.
And to be a small part of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and to see it in person was the amazing thing.
You know, we know about it because we hear about it from the internet.
But to see somebody walk up and be like, never met this person before in my life.
Hey, well, let's all get a picture together was such a surprise.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you don't get, I don't, doing stand-up, getting those after-show conversations with people, a lot of times it's an old dude trying to say a terrible word to me.
dan friesen
Yeah, or like, you know, let me tell you a weird secret.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
unidentified
No, I don't want to be around you, sir.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
It is a wholly different thing.
And it is a little bit strange.
I'm not entirely sure how we've fallen into this thing where we'll just say hi and talk to people for hours after the show.
I don't know how that happened.
I don't mind that it happened.
No.
But I guess my feeling is almost like appreciation and thank you to the folks for sharing things with us.
jordan holmes
Totally.
It never occurred to me not to.
dan friesen
Much like the award.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
It is like, hey, now I'm going to give you the next four hours of my life, I suppose.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kevin, I guess.
Yep.
Also, I'm going to give you credit for the whole trip, the discussion, part of your bright spot.
jordan holmes
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
And it was my impression from while I was on the road that Russell Brand was on InfoWars.
And that was one of the reasons why I wanted to do an episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't think he was.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
I think they just talked about him on InfoWars.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
And I'm not sure.
I was scanning through the clips on Bandot Video, and I didn't see what I just saw them talking a lot about him and how the allegations against him were just proof that he's right.
Yeah.
And it's an attack.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A baseless attack.
jordan holmes
Of course, naturally.
dan friesen
I certainly don't put it above Russell Brand to have been on InfoWars.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe he was, and I just didn't find the video.
jordan holmes
It seems like that would be pretty front and center on their coverage.
If they had Russell Brand on, they would be like, here's the video with Russell Brand.
dan friesen
And part of the time that we were away, Alex was also on vacation.
And so there wouldn't have been time.
And I don't think Russell Brand's slumming it with Harrison Smith.
Not yet.
So anyway, we have September 29th, 2023.
Because I was poking around and I ended up watching this episode and I thought, well, this is fucked up.
And I can't resist the urge to tell you all about it.
jordan holmes
Back at it.
dan friesen
But first, Jordan, before we get into this, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Anne of Beeves.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I think that's a repeat name.
Oh.
I remember the beeves.
I'm not sure.
But anyway, you got two, Anne.
Next, yeah, he's mad.
He's matter eater lad.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I was supposed to have an exclamation point at the end instead of a question mark.
Next, Mike Down for this.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, a friend of mine was on the challenge 10 years ago and does not remember it fondly.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Massey, what I take away from that is that this person's friend was a woman.
Yeah, because as I've described the challenge, it is essentially dudes being assholes and women being miserable.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
But yeah, bad show.
alex jones
Bad show.
dan friesen
Bad show.
Shouldn't bring it up as much as I do.
jordan holmes
I can't not.
dan friesen
And also, Julia, you are now a policy wonk from Old Man House Phone.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got Technocrat in the mix, so thank you so much, too.
Happy birthday, Kyle.
You're not 40.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, when I was going through, you know, trying to poke around and see this Russell Brand video, see what else is going on over at InfoWars HQ.
Sure.
One of the reasons that I decided we should cover this episode is because I think Alex is trying.
jordan holmes
Sorry?
dan friesen
There is a sense of him having a point that he wants to get to, and he tries.
And that kind of got me excited.
You know, coming back from the trip, hearing him seemingly put some effort in.
And then it ends ludicrously.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
So, it's lightning in a bottle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at you skeptically.
Yeah.
It is perhaps one of the most skeptical looks I can give to you because Alex trying is one of the most impossible things I can imagine.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, even when he does try, it doesn't go well.
Wow.
But we'll see how this all plays out.
We're going to begin here with Alex announcing that there is a major story that is hidden in plain view.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
There's been a big story hiding in plain view that I talked about many years ago because it's part of the larger UN replacement migration plan, but I hadn't talked about it in a long time.
And Scott Bronson, our lead producer on the show, came in this morning with a big stack of news and made the point to me and said, I think this is what's going on.
And I said, no, I agree with you.
That is what's going on.
So I had them print some more articles and get some more videos ready.
At the bottom of the hour, I'm going to cover a massive story.
How are they going to get foreign troops here to confiscate the guns?
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
alex jones
That isn't just some rumor that's been proposed under State Department Memorandum 7277 and others since the 60s.
But how are they going to do it?
With the illegal aliens, ladies and gentlemen.
Wow.
And it ties into the national draft.
They're getting ready, and the Democrats are promoting.
dan friesen
They're not.
So there's an interesting level of, you can see the fingerprints of trying to appear prepared.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Here.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Scott Bronson coming in with a bunch of this bullshit.
jordan holmes
He said, here's what's going on.
And I was like, that is what's going on.
dan friesen
Let's do this.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And so then Alex gets some more articles and you can see him taking these pieces that he's going to try and connect together into like a harmonious, like overarching narrative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I'm seeing it.
And it almost seems as though I can follow somewhat of the plan that he is lying.
That's the difference.
Exactly.
Yes.
No, it does feel like, okay, foreign troops need to get into the we disguise them as immigrants coming through either Mexico or Canada, goes up there, and then somehow, I don't know how it gets to the draft, but I'm kind of interested.
dan friesen
Right, but you can see the connective tissue, the A to B to C to D. Like there is that total.
It is so rare.
jordan holmes
It is shocking the level of...
dan friesen
I worry that this is Scott Bronson's doing.
jordan holmes
It doesn't feel like, it feels like this is something that a guy who had nothing would say, that is what's going on too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
this does not have the hallmarks of Alex's normal content.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
So he touches on a news story, a recent news story, and I have some thoughts.
alex jones
And it is coming up here in just 30 minutes from now or 25 minutes from now.
In fact, guys, I gave you yesterday's stack back this morning when I got here.
Will you re-pull me the big studies and the reports out of Bloomberg on corporate hiring and 94% of all new hires the last two years being non-white?
I'm going to explain the dichotomy and the social credit score, universal basic income game plan.
That ties into this as well.
That's why a lot of times I should cover stories more often, but I have this tendency to want to give you a full spectrum analysis.
So as I think about the story, I want to break down.
I don't just give you some one-dimensional or two-dimensional or three-dimensional layout.
I give you their documents, their statements, their master plan, where they want to go, where they're at, how it's going to unfold.
This couldn't be a bigger subject.
Pull the stack for me.
Pull that out of the stacks by an inch thick.
And we will do that at the bottom of the hour.
This is big, big, big.
dan friesen
It's big.
jordan holmes
It's big.
dan friesen
He said it three times.
jordan holmes
It's big.
dan friesen
It's big.
So when Alex says that he does full spectrum analysis or however he chooses to phrase it that day, what you should really hear is him saying that he's too lazy to read any actual articles or studies.
So when he covers one, he needs to free associate and connect it to anything else he can think of so the audience doesn't catch on to the shallowness of the information that he's bringing to the table.
If he had a mastery of the subject he's talking about, there would be no need to go off on absurd tangents and rant about whatever comes to his mind because Alex would be able to discuss this one news story in depth in such a way that he could illustrate to the audience how it connects to other subjects that he covers.
That's what people do when they know what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
He wouldn't need to do this entire song and dance because his point could be clearly made through the lens of a single story if he wanted to.
This Bloomberg story he's referencing here is a pretty good case in point.
The headline is about how 94% of new hires were non-white applicants between 2020 and 2021 for the data reviewed by Bloomberg.
So naturally, Alex is going to do what he calls full spectrum analysis on the story.
That means he didn't read the story, but it makes him feel like white people are being replaced and cast out of society.
So he's going to rant about other stories that make him feel that way.
It's the full spectrum of white victimhood that he's going to analyze, but it doesn't actually involve the analysis of the story itself or the article.
For my money, if you're going to do full spectrum analysis on a story, you need to analyze that story itself first so you know what you're talking about.
And when you're connecting it to all the other stuff within the spectrum, that helps it make sense.
All we know from Alex's coverage is that 94% of these new hires have been non-white people, but what else can you learn from reading the Bloomberg article?
It should come as no surprise that there's a hell of a lot that Alex is leaving out.
jordan holmes
I, okay.
Now, when you say full spectrum analysis, have you considered instead loading a shotgun with spaghetti and then firing it at the nearest person and then throwing a smoke bomb and running away?
dan friesen
In for war.
jordan holmes
Information for that kind of sounds right to me.
dan friesen
Spaghetti information.
jordan holmes
I would rather, I think that's a more entertaining way to learn the news is to be covered in blasted spaghetti.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You cook the spaghetti though first, right?
Because otherwise, I could really.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could really hurt you.
I mean, listen, if you're not making it from scratch, I don't know what you're doing here.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So the first thing to note about this article is that it's just a glimpse at data from 88 companies on the SP 100 list, representing 323,094 new jobs that were created during the year 2020 to 2021.
For some context, the U.S. added 6.4 million jobs in 2021.
So while whatever data or trends we can pull from this Bloomberg set is interesting and it represents behaviors of many of the larger companies in the U.S., it still doesn't depict the full picture of employment in the United States.
The SP 100 represents the large companies that Alex would describe as globalists.
These are folks like Apple, Amazon, Disney, BlackRock, Comcast, McDonald's, these sorts of companies.
Big-ass companies that have a lot of different sorts of employment underneath their company umbrellas.
That context is actually really important because if you read on in the article, you find that though 94% of the new hires for these newly created jobs were non-white applicants, this still leaves these companies in a very white-centric place.
From the article, quote, even such big one-time gains and losses represent a relatively small slice of the full picture.
The share of executive, managerial, and professional roles held by people of color increased by about two percentage points compared with 2020.
That still leaves most companies in our data set lopsided, with white people holding disproportionate shares of high-paying jobs at SP 100 companies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
In the article, you find that even with all these things factored in, 74% of executive positions at these companies are held by white people, as well as 63% of managerial positions.
The bulk of these new positions that were created were in the lower-paid, less senior positions.
That doesn't mean that this stat of the art in the article that it's based on is meaningless, but it does mean that it's easy to get the wrong idea about it if you just skim and look at the number.
jordan holmes
It does feel like if I was one of these companies wanting to show off how cool I am, I would plant one of these articles that has chosen very specific numbers to reflect.
dan friesen
Oh, is there some point of marketing?
jordan holmes
It seems like that might be there.
Weird.
dan friesen
You're picking up some important context.
So there's another aspect here that we need to take into consideration, which is that Bloomberg came to this data set by reviewing EEOC filings made by these companies.
Companies with more than 100 employees are required to send in this information, which Bloomberg reviewed, and then they came up with their numbers and their figures.
But this can only capture so much information.
In this case, like these hires made for new positions.
This isn't the full picture of employment at any of these companies, which is why you see this in the section about their methodology.
Quote, there are several ways a company can change the demographics of its workforce.
For example, when a white person leaves, their position could be filled by a person of color, or a company might opt to hire a person of color for an entirely new role.
However, the EEO1 form doesn't offer data on turnover rates or the volume of new recruits, the kind of detailed insights needed to track these internal shifts.
This analysis is fairly limited, and more than anything, it's sold kind of as corporate propaganda.
jordan holmes
Sure, seems like it.
dan friesen
As you were saying, as reflected in the headline, quote, Corporate America promised to hire a lot more people.
jordan holmes
Don't dare.
Don't you dare finish that sentence.
Don't you dare finish that sentence, sir.
dan friesen
The angle of the reporting is more or less a puff piece for these giant companies, which is a little shady.
We know nothing about the exact nature of the jobs that were created.
And from the information that's available to Bloomberg, we don't even know if these jobs still exist and if they're filled by the same people.
There are a lot of unanswerable questions that this coverage can't cover.
And at the end of the day, I feel like an article like this is way more valuable to a white identity extremist like Alex than anybody else.
And I guess maybe to these companies themselves.
The optics of this headline work perfectly for Alex, so long as he doesn't actually get into the article.
Because if he did, he'd have to explain to the audience that these hires did very little to move the needle in terms of changing overwhelmingly white corporate governance at these companies, and that the data behind the article only captures about 5% of the jobs that were created in 2021.
If you shrink the spectrum of your analysis to just the headline and some feelings that they evoke in you, you get the kind of coverage that Alex is going to engage in.
But it's meaningless.
And the only real truth you can find involves Alex's intense feelings of white victimhood and how much he wants the audience to feel those things too.
Now, to your point, though, about the corporate propaganda aspect, the thing that I find really interesting is if we approach this coverage from a critical eye, the way that you might when you're saying, hey, this is a puff piece for businesses.
Sure, Alex is distracting the audience from being able to recognize that with racism.
Yeah.
And that's interesting.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's how it goes.
That's how it's been since the jump.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's the whole idea.
dan friesen
But it is interesting to see such an overt example of Alex engaging in that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is very much that idea of as long as you can convince the poorest white man they're better than a non-white person, then you can rule this whole fucking country, you know?
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
And Alex is facilitating.
jordan holmes
And Alex is right there.
He's trying to do that.
He is part of that.
You know, it is not controlled opposition.
It's not opposition.
That's the idea.
And I mean, that fucking anytime they're like from this very, very specific period, these very, very specific requirements for this study, these very, very specific numbers that we're using to reflect what's going on.
You're like, okay, if you, so what you're saying is if you spread it out from, say, 2000 to 2020, it'd be mainly white people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's what you're saying.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I mean, like, obviously, you can't make too many conclusions because later data isn't available yet.
And so who knows exactly what that data would reflect?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it is, it is possible that diverse hiring practices have continued.
Maybe not to that extent, but maybe that is the case.
I don't know.
But either way, I don't think that this headline and article is necessarily capturing a full picture of what the actual circumstances are.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I mean, you even see in the methodology.
They don't know anything about like people who got promoted.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like none of this stuff is in any way captured by this data.
And I don't know.
jordan holmes
Had contracts even that would protect their jobs, you know?
Like, oh, this short period of time, we fired everybody after that.
dan friesen
I mean, that's a pessimistic view, but obviously, you don't know that it's not the case based on the information they have at their disposal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex is going to have an interesting guest on in the third hour.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
And we're not going to listen to any of him.
jordan holmes
Hey!
alex jones
In the third hour, we're joined by a British independent, very successful journalist who was arrested last week and taken to jail.
But he says he's not going to back down.
He broke the SS German officer, part of the key unit that carried out the extermination of Jews and others in Ukraine.
That's where the real Holocaust stuff did go on.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
He exposed the standing ovation.
He exposed who he was.
They arrested him just a day later.
In the UK, he'll be joining us.
I could have Owen Schroyer on to talk about it.
Oh, our host, but he's got to get ready to report to prison here very soon.
So he's not here.
He's visiting family.
See how crazy it is?
dan friesen
Man, that's going to be a real problem for their depth chart in terms of like who's going to fill in.
You got no talent to fill that in.
jordan holmes
I mean, are they going to try and hire somebody?
dan friesen
I think that Harrison Smith would take over the war room and then some other ding-dong would fill in on his show because the stakes are lower.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Neither of them have good audiences, but Owens is more important than Harrison's.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Harrison is more senior, so you move him up, and then you get just maybe fill in guest hosts for the American Journal.
Because no one really cares about that.
jordan holmes
If I'm running a baseball team, that's not how I do it.
dan friesen
Get Patrick Howley in there to fill in on the American Journal.
Say some Nazi shit.
jordan holmes
Do your community service.
dan friesen
Right.
That's the.
jordan holmes
Just do your community service, man.
Do they know?
dan friesen
That's really what Owens' situation is.
So anyway, we got this allegedly successful UK journalist, but Alex is off about a few things.
So this is a guy named Warren Thornton, and he's not really a successful journalist.
He's a weirdo pro-Putin commentator who has a YouTube channel called The Real Truth, where his videos get upwards of 400 views.
Thornton was on the show today here because Alex has decided that he was the first person to report that Yaroslav Hunka was a Nazi.
I don't know if you followed any of this.
jordan holmes
Was this the Canadian parliament where they all gave a standing ovation to a Nazi because nobody had any fucking clue it was a Nazi?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then the speaker had invited him because he was a notable Ukrainian Canadian.
Right, And then he had to step, the speaker had to step down because of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like, yeah.
How am I supposed to know that?
I didn't think Nazis were still allowed into this country.
How am I supposed to know he's there?
dan friesen
It's an unnecessary mistake to make it.
jordan holmes
It's hugely unnecessary.
dan friesen
So I'm not going to hand wave away Hunka's wartime activities, though he did join the 14th Waffen Grenadier division of the SS at 18, which I only bring up to say that he was probably a pretty fucking bad person, but he wasn't running the show.
Like Alex is trying to improve.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's the only thing that I would give pushback on.
It's not like he's in charge of these things.
He's an 18-year-old who is doing some awful shit.
And I don't care to defend him any further.
From everything I can tell, it was not this Thornton fellow who took the issue with Hunko being given standing ovation at the event first, primarily.
It was Jewish organizations like the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does make sense.
dan friesen
I have a very strong suspicion that the actual advocacy groups that brought attention to this are being ignored because the narrative on Alex's show is that Jewish groups, like the Wiesenthal Center, actually support Nazis.
So it wouldn't make sense for them to call this out.
To dodge that inconvenience, it's easy enough to give credit to this no-name Russophile YouTuber.
I was able to find an article about Thornton's alleged arrest on David Icke's website, but pretty much nowhere else.
Apparently, he was recording an episode of his web show on the night of September 24th, and in the middle of it, the police showed up and he disappeared.
But the article specifically says that he disappeared, quote, 20 minutes before the show ended because there was another host who was interviewing somebody else.
I can't find this video.
It's not on his YouTube channel.
And on the 24th, he was just retweeting transphobic memes and posts about how you should lose government assistance if you're caught looting.
Sure.
That's what's going on when this is supposed to have been happening.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Also, there's some anti-vax memes and stuff about protecting the children.
jordan holmes
I could have scheduled those.
dan friesen
In the subsequent days, there's tweets whining about Hunter Biden, plugs for his Patreon, and all sorts of anti-Ukraine, pro-Russia stuff.
No mention of the police or him being arrested, though.
And it hardly seems like there would have been any time when he wasn't posting on social media.
So it's hard to imagine he was ever in a cell.
jordan holmes
Wait, he's coming onto the show to talk about his time being arrested, though, right?
dan friesen
No, mostly to talk about Hunka and how Trudeau knew that he was a Nazi.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
That's basically what he said.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
dan friesen
The arrest is just like giving him credibility.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
That's just dressing.
unidentified
Sec tech.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So the article on David Icke's website says that there was a Twitter video that was later taken down, but then it describes another video that's still there where Thornton blows hard about the difference between disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation.
Oh, my God.
He's being accused of spreading malinformation.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I don't necessarily believe this story that he's telling about being arrested, primarily because plenty of people were pointing out Hunka's past, and there's no reason that anyone would silence him by feel the need to silence him by arresting him.
That's the kind of story that shithead online liars like to tell about themselves in order to make their content seem more dangerous to the power structure.
So until I'm shown otherwise, that's what makes the most sense to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Days afterward, on the 27th, there was a video posted on Rumble, which was titled, quote, Warren Thornton Arrested.
It has no evidence of an arrest in it, and Warren doesn't even claim that he was arrested.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
At most, he says he was questioned over spreading malinformation, which Warren characterizes as taking true things that are supposed to be private and making them public.
He means that in terms of like government secrets and stuff like that, but when people are accused of spreading malinformation, it usually means that they're doxing or swatting people or spreading revenge porn.
It can also involve taking a kernel of truth and exaggerating it out to the point where it's no longer true.
And I could maybe see the police in the UK visiting someone if it was a situation where the thing that was being lied about was important or dangerous enough.
I'm not sure.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
This weirdo talking about a Canadian House of Commons incident doesn't seem to achieve that level of seriousness, though.
I just don't believe it.
jordan holmes
Is there like extradition for talking shit about Canadian Parliament?
dan friesen
Not for that, no.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So interestingly, Thornton is a regular guest on a Rumble channel called The Charlie Ward Show.
You may recognize that name, Charlie Ward, because he's a figure who Carrie Cassidy looks up to quite a bit.
Great.
Because he's a QAnon weirdo.
Intermixed with Warren Thornton's appearances, you'll find interviews with someone called the King of Q-Drops, a guy named SG Anon, and someone who goes by Baby Trump.
So yeah, he's in that crowd.
jordan holmes
I am a grumpy old man.
I know this, but I hated it when gamertags just started being an acceptable way to just refer to people.
dan friesen
Oh, come on.
jordan holmes
It's just, you know, I'm a grumpy old man.
What am I supposed to say?
dan friesen
Baby Trump.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
dan friesen
So this intensely pro-Russia commentator who hangs out on QAnon Rumble shows and appears to be at least exaggerating talking to the police in order to give himself the claim to fame is going to talk to Alex pretty much the entire third hour, and it's fucking boring.
Yeah.
Just wall-to-wall Russia is great talk, and insistence is that Justin Trudeau and Zelensky both knew that Hunko was in the SS as a child, or as a youth, excuse me, because they were trying to signal to their Nazi brethren worldwide by giving him a standing ovation.
That's the conspiracy that they're selling.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
One thing I want to point out, and that's what you noticed there, is that Alex said that the Ukraine is where, quote, the real Holocaust stuff went on, which I find to be problematic phrasing.
jordan holmes
Big issues.
dan friesen
That really leads you to believe that Alex thinks that other, quote, Holocaust stuff didn't go on elsewhere.
And if you know, if it appears that it did, it might have been fake.
Does he not think that the extermination of Jews in Poland was real?
Does he not think that Auschwitz was real?
Like, what about the Gross Rosen complex and occupied Czechoslovakia in Poland?
Probably not real to Alex, I guess.
Dachau and Buchenwald were both in Germany proper, so that was probably fake shit.
You can discuss the reality that the occupied Ukrainian government absolutely carried out a genocide of Jewish Ukrainians during World War II without trying to minimize the things that happened elsewhere.
Alex does need to do that, though, because most of his audience doesn't really believe the Holocaust happened, but they need that anger toward Nazis so they can direct it towards Ukraine in order to support Russia.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it serves the interests of carrying water for Russia and Putin in the current invasion of Ukraine.
Alex is trying to selectively evoke the Ukrainian aspect of the Holocaust while trying to be careful not to go too far and anger the Holocaust denialist contingent in his audience, which is fucked up.
jordan holmes
That should be an impossible needle to thread.
Now, have you tried loading a shotgun with spaghetti?
All right.
dan friesen
It feels similar.
jordan holmes
They just fire it and smoke bomb, baby.
dan friesen
So this dynamic that Alex is carrying out is really interesting, and he should be ashamed of himself, quite frankly, for playing games like this.
He's using the Holocaust as a prop for this bullshit game.
And also, Warren Thornton sucks.
I'm not going to.
There's one funny moment, though.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
They're talking about the misinterpretation of the agreement not to spread NATO any further.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, the Gorbachev mission.
James Baker.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex says, I've had the guy on who was there.
And obviously talking about Pieczenik.
He's obviously talking about Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
It's so awesome.
jordan holmes
It has to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, he won't talk to Pieczenik anymore.
And the two of that.
Oh, he's a PSYOP guy.
Yeah, he's up to no good.
But I'm still going to evoke him whenever I want to brag about shit.
jordan holmes
Hey, listen.
dan friesen
But I'm never going to be specific.
jordan holmes
A resume is a resume, even if you don't like the guy.
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
A resume is not a resume when you're making it up.
jordan holmes
Well, there's definitely that.
dan friesen
So there's another bit of news that happened, which is one of the reasons also that I felt we needed to do this episode.
And that is that Dianne Feinstein passed away.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
And Alex decides to deal with this in the only way he knows how, which is an attempt at satire.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
This is.
When I said he was trying, this is trying.
alex jones
Well, corrupt empires come and go.
Corrupt leaders come and go.
But God gives us all an expiration date.
And the skexi-like leaders of the New World Order can cling to life.
But the Grim Reaper, the angel of death, comes for us all.
And then we face the judgment before our Creator.
Diane Feinstein has made the jump into hyperspace.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
She was already basically a living dead creature propped up by drugs.
And she voted yesterday, though.
They're looking at the timestamp.
Looks like she was dead already.
A puppet wheeled around by Pelosi's daughter.
One of the producers of January 6th.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
And I thought of this early this morning and called one of our writers and said, Hey, see if the Babylon Bee's done this.
We're not in competition with them.
They're great folks, but I bet they haven't.
Let's come up with a headline: Diane Feinstein to stay in office after death.
And we beat him by about an hour.
They have a similar satire story.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
But Senator Diane Feinstein dead at 90.
Here's the InfoWars headline by Ben Warren.
Senate challenges, Senate changes rule so Diane Feinstein can stay in office while dead.
unidentified
Y'all got it.
alex jones
Senator Diane Feinstein will continue to serve in office even after shuffling off her mortal coil, thanks to a new power play from the Democratic Party.
Just days after my majority leader, Chuck Schumer, Democrat New York, ended the chamber's dress code, so Senator John Fetterman could dress like an insane org.
dan friesen
Ogre.
alex jones
The top Democrat decided to up the ante while adhering to the party's mantra of inclusivity.
Not inclusive.
It's wrong, Schumer said, to discriminate against the dead.
Schumer told Infowars and exclusively.
jordan holmes
Still going, huh?
Still trying to beat that dead horse.
alex jones
Necromanic decree, I am adding the massive roster of the unlimited to our ranks.
All the years of using the deceased's voters allowed for the smooth transitions.
And it just goes on from there.
dan friesen
I got to say, it just goes on from there is a hell of a compliment for satire.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
You know, usually satire, I think, generally, you want to get to the end of it because there's usually, like, this may come up later on, but Jonathan Swift, you know, with the modest proposal, if you didn't read to the end, you might not have, it would not have appeared to be satire.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because a lot of the beginning of it is about the plight of the impoverished Irish people.
And that part wouldn't have been satirical.
Right.
I don't know.
I think that I don't know.
It just seems like it just goes on.
jordan holmes
That sucks.
I mean, at the very least, a satire you would want to keep you engaged.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In some way.
alex jones
There should be a twist.
jordan holmes
There's got to be something.
And the headlines written so terribly.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
How does rhythm not work?
That does not enter the concept of funny to these people.
Rhythm is like the most important thing.
dan friesen
It's insane.
It is.
So I also am worried slightly that I'm not confident that Alex's audience would grasp that that's not a real article.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
Like, I think that a fair amount would, probably.
jordan holmes
Okay, how about Dyed Feinstein to stay in office for another 666 years?
dan friesen
Did you say Dyed?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get in.
dan friesen
Oh, the name.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's a pun.
It's a headline.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I just, I think that some people would be like, they did change the rules.
Did you know that?
You can't, when you're running a site that's full of bullshit and a lot of it is pretty sensational shit, you can't do satire.
jordan holmes
You have to go over the top and you can't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You just can't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Nothing is farcical when everything is farcical.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Your satire is less interest, is less under the top.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex gets back to this theme, the story that's hidden in plain view.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That they're going to bring the migrants in.
jordan holmes
Foreign troops.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so it begins him laying out his thesis with Joe Biden and how when he was running for president, he said, come on, guys, flood the border.
alex jones
Everybody knows Biden, when he was candidate Biden, said when I win the election, and I will, because he knew he would by fraud, I want all the illegal aliens who immediately surge the border.
jordan holmes
Weird thing to say.
alex jones
Well, a few times he told the truth.
And now 80-plus percentage is completely turned loose.
They're busted and flown all over the country.
Hundreds of thousands of children conservatively have completely disappeared is mass criminal activity.
dan friesen
So Biden didn't tell everyone to rush the border.
He was talking about refugees and asylum seekers who Trump had made rules to keep out of the country.
In essence, Biden was just saying that we would go back to welcoming people who were fleeing their home countries after Trump temporarily betrayed the American value of taking people in.
Biden was really clear about this.
In fact, here's the clip that Alex is talking about from one of the Democratic primary debates.
joe biden
I would, in fact, make sure that there is we immediately surge to the border.
All those people are seeking asylum.
They deserve to be heard.
That's who we are.
We're a nation that says if you want to flee and you're freeing oppression, you should come.
dan friesen
So that's the lie that is being told.
jordan holmes
That one's pretty important to us, theoretically.
joe biden
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex knows what Biden actually said, but pretending he said something different helps him drum up white fear and xenophobia, which is the fuel that Infowars runs on.
So he's never going to admit to being full of shit about this.
The rest of the stuff that Alex could not is saying he couldn't demonstrate or prove this in any way.
It's foolish to think that no crime has ever happened or happens at or near the border, but this is just over-the-top nonsense.
These numbers are all made up.
They're pulled from other racist and xenophobic blogs and memes and other weirdo fake experts Alex has on the show.
It all just means nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, this is this is one of those situations where I don't even know how to none of us can even talk about this rationally anymore.
You know, like they've so dominated the language that we use to talk about the border, that kind of thing.
You know, the immigrants are turned loose and all this stuff.
And before you can even get to like, these are human beings, you're already fighting against.
Don't say turned loose.
You know, you're already on a battlefield that you don't want to be on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that's dehumanizing to people because now you're arguing about the fake versions of them instead of like engaging with the reality of it.
And it's a fucking dick move.
I hate them.
I hate them.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Not the immigrants.
dan friesen
People like Alex.
And then there's the secondary aspect that is just not fair abuse of language, which I guess that kind of touches on.
But I mean, in terms of definitions, because like Alex will say illegal immigrants.
And what he actually means is he thinks that all immigration is illegal.
And so when he's talking about refugees, people who want to apply for asylum, he will call them illegal immigrants.
And that is just how his mind works, because to them or to him, they are.
And that means nothing.
The distinction is non-existent for him.
jordan holmes
And I want to go even further with that.
That is another thing.
That goes all the way up to people on the debate stage.
That idea of we're talking about illegal immigration.
And so many times you see the opposition to that being like, we support legal immigration, not we don't support crime, you know, and getting into that situation and their misunderstanding that it has nothing to do with legal or illegal.
Their existence to these people is illegal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And there is a feeling and a belief that is underneath it that is not even really reflected in the semantics.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the semantics are meant to obscure and make it impossible for you to talk about these things with someone like Alex.
It would just be impossible to have a debate or even a discussion about immigration because the terms that he would use would be foreign to your vernacular.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So the globalists, they're bringing in immigrants and they're going to be the force that takes your guns and stuff.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
But what's really behind this?
Well, if you look at Europe, you look at the U.S., you look at the U.N. documents, I'm going to show you here in a moment, going back to 2001.
They say we're going to flood Europe with hundreds of millions.
We're going to flood North America with 600-plus million by 2040.
We're already well on our way there.
jordan holmes
600.
alex jones
We're going to set them up and politically control them and basically only give them government-connected jobs so we run their lives.
And then when we want to, we can activate them for political control to vote, to be the police officers, to arrest citizens, to confiscate guns, you name it.
Just like in Tiananmen Square in the late 80s, they trained in and bushed in in a day 500,000 troops from 1,000 miles away that didn't even speak the same Chinese dialect to kill everybody.
dan friesen
So the essential thing here is Alex is just trying to drum up fear.
He's trying to make you distrustful and have hate for people that you suspect of being immigrants.
Anybody who offers comfort and aid to immigrants should be seen as probably in on this plot.
jordan holmes
They're a foreign soldier, most likely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's unhealthy.
It's dangerous.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, as far as the plan goes, you don't even really need foreign troops if you're going to, I guess, triple the population of the United States within 17 years.
You've already won.
If you've got triple, you don't need them.
There's no war.
You own this place now.
dan friesen
Sure.
Look, yeah, you're right.
There are a hundred reasons why these plans are stupid.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's what I'm, that would be a that's a that's actually a good plan to to accomplish the thing that you want as far as like a linear goal plan to solve a problem.
It's just impossible on account of all the reasons that makes it impossible.
dan friesen
Well, I think that one of the difficulties for Alex, and it's kind of one of the benefits of his show, like moving fast, is there's never really time to think about things.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
But one of the shortcomings of his conspiracy thought process is he really never engages with if this is true, then what else is true?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kind of stuff.
Because the implications of a lot of the points along the way to achieving the conspiracy either already have achieved them or are run counter to the plan that you're supposed to be heading towards.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He doesn't really wrestle with that.
jordan holmes
None of his plans seem to be geared towards accomplishing a thing.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
It's because his enemies are imaginary.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So there's going to be a draft.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, we've got an extra 600 million, so might as well.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
So let's go through these documents and look at how it ties into the push for a new national draft coming in.
Because they let illegal aliens become U.S. citizens or on the path of that by joining the military.
They had to first purge it, though.
The loyal Americans.
They do that with the critical race theory, the transgenderism, the rest of it.
Replacement migration is a solution to declining and aging populations.
UN.org.
Now, the ADL says this doesn't exist.
You should be arrested if you talk about it.
The U.S. military is laying the groundwork to reinstate the draft.
Bon Mies Institute does a great job of laying out how they're promoting it and how Democrat lawmakers are pushing it.
dan friesen
So just from a storytelling perspective, I think a lot of this is kind of stupid.
Like, if you follow Alex's train of thought, here's what he's saying the globalists are doing.
So, the military is trying to drive out all the good patriots by supporting things like LGBTQ issues, critical race theory.
jordan holmes
That'll get them.
dan friesen
That will have the effect of all of the good people quitting so that they can be replaced by undocumented immigrants who are under the sway of the globalists, so they'll do whatever they're told, unlike most soldiers I've ever heard of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very unusual for them to follow orders.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, this is all part of a plan to reinstate the draft, which seems like it wouldn't be necessary since part of the plan involves filling up all the recruitment quotas with immigrants.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why would the globalists want to conscript a ton of random people when they're likely to have the exact same problem with the folks they had to drive out of the service in the first place?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems self-contradictory.
jordan holmes
I mean, you would, at the very least, wind up drafting some of the people that you kicked out.
Right.
dan friesen
It's so dumb.
So, this is what happens when Alex has a couple of headlines that he feels like he can connect, but it just doesn't work out in practice.
He's got this plan to be a racist, xenophobic shithead about immigrants and how they're going to take all your guns.
And he sees this headline about the draft, and he just can't resist adding it to the statue.
jordan holmes
You just got to add the draft, you know?
dan friesen
He thinks it adds more to his argument, but if you pay attention, it really just reveals that he's winging all of this as he goes along.
As for that article about the draft, if anyone tells you that the Mies Institute did a good job of something, you can tune them right out.
I've legitimately never heard a good thing come from those libertarian fucks, and this article is no exception.
It's an op-ed about an op-ed in the U.S. Army War College's journal.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The fucking prestigious and well-publicized.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
It's an assessment of lessons that can be learned from the conflict that's broken out after Russia invaded Ukraine.
One of the many points that it brings up is that if the U.S. is in an all-out full-scale combat war situation, the existing reserves and volunteer model is not going to work.
There just aren't enough people to fill the expected vacancies you'd end up with due to casualties and injuries.
And this article suggests that scenario, quote, may well require a reconceptualization of the 1970s and 1980s volunteer force and a move toward partial conscription.
Now, keep in mind that this article also brings up the 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan as not that kind of war scenario.
So that, as severe as that was, that isn't what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
This is talking about what would be necessary if the U.S. were to go into a ground war with a country like Russia or China.
And even then, the article doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that you need a draft, since we might see a, quote, future of largely unmanned or remotely manned ground combat vehicles.
If anything, this article is about training and education, mostly.
A draft doesn't make sense in modern America, and no one would go along with it.
Further, this article isn't arguing for one, nor is it laying the groundwork for it.
And even beyond that, a draft makes zero sense inside Alex's racist conspiracy theory.
It's all just bullshit.
Alex is trying to tie together to kill time and freak out his panicked white audience.
jordan holmes
Do you know how much a draft would cost?
You got to feed those people.
You got to clothe them.
You got to pay them.
You got to do all this shit in this economy?
dan friesen
And I think the lessons learned from the Vietnam War era should tell you that a lot of people are going to resist and cooperate.
jordan holmes
I don't believe these people are capable of lessons.
I disregard that argument entirely.
dan friesen
But I think the public took that lesson that you can resist the draft.
jordan holmes
That I agree with.
dan friesen
And that at the end of the day, like, if they're drafting you and they're going to send you into some hostile combat environment, what do you have to lose by resisting the draft?
Yeah.
They'd take you to a prison?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's going to be better than the ones over there.
dan friesen
Right.
Or are they going to force you to go to the war?
Because then that's the same outcome as if you had gone along with the draft.
It would never fly.
jordan holmes
I mean, the thing that always wild me out is you're going to force me to go somewhere and then you're going to give me a gun?
That's a wild series of events there.
dan friesen
You might not make it through.
jordan holmes
I don't think I would make it through there.
I wouldn't make it through there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I understand the obsession with the draft sort of.
I get it.
But I do not feel like it's realistic.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think part of that just simply comes from it is so insane that it happened.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
That it ever happened is madness.
And it really represents something that I don't think can ever be accepted, which is that the government should never be allowed to force me to go die.
Or kill.
Or kill.
Yeah.
It's that simple.
dan friesen
Well, and even in draft situations, you could be a conscientious objector.
Like my grandpa, or maybe my great uncle or something like that was a conscientious objector and ended up working at a national park.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like because he's a Mennonite, you know?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Can't kill people.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
These immigrants that are coming in and being brought in, they're mostly military-aged men.
Do you find that coincidental?
jordan holmes
I mean, what a coincidence.
One, I don't find it true.
And two, if it was, it would be.
dan friesen
Your instincts are sharp.
alex jones
Profile of the unauthorized population of the U.S.
The vast majority are men, and the majority of them are military-aged men.
This is a report from years ago.
It's far worse now.
jordan holmes
From years ago.
alex jones
Same thing in Europe.
80-plus percent are military-aged men.
Military industrial complex is making hundreds of billions of dollars, and they need a military draft in the U.S. to take things to the next level.
Will the U.S. reinstitute the draft for the Russian-Ukraine war?
jordan holmes
We're not in it!
alex jones
The uncertain future of the U.S. military's all-volunteer force.
Council on Foreign Relations says we need a draft.
Why bringing back the draft could end America's forever wars, some say.
No, because it's going to be illegal aliens that are given citizenship to do it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the worry about the draft.
alex jones
Time magazine.
dan friesen
So wait, if the immigrants are being offered paths to citizenship as part of signing up to serve the country, that's not a draft.
That's an incentive to volunteer.
I don't think Alex knows what words are.
jordan holmes
I don't.
I agree.
I agree with you.
dan friesen
This is convoluted shit.
jordan holmes
Strongly.
dan friesen
So more importantly, Alex is just straight up lying about this demographic breakdown of immigrant populations.
This is a set of data put out by the Migration Policy Institute, which is a group Alex would absolutely hate.
They have an advocacy for immigrants.
By their estimate, there are approximately 11 million unauthorized persons living in the United States.
And Alex is claiming that this report says that they are mostly military-aged men.
A simple scroll down the data shows that 46% or over 5 million are women.
A further 5% are under the age of 16.
Another 25% are people over the age of 45, which we can assume is past prime military recruitment age.
The image that Alex is painting just isn't justified by the data.
And this is the source that he's citing.
He's way off, which is part of why he has to say that these are old numbers and it's much worse now because that's a claim that's too vague to be checkable.
What numbers are current enough?
Where do the goalposts need to be for him to accept that he's wrong?
It's a loser's game to try and chase that down and it is not worth it.
The point here, though, is that Alex wants the audience to think that all the immigrants coming in are military-aged men, and he uses that specific language because he wants the audience to see all immigrants as a potential violent threat.
He wants the idea of immigration to be equivalent in the listener's mind to a hostile invasion because Alex is at his core a white nationalist who doesn't want people to think, he doesn't want people that he thinks are different than him coming into the country.
I found some other newer data sets that contradict Alex's idea that the population of undocumented immigrants has been more overwhelmingly military-aged men.
And actually, one of the interesting things that Alex isn't taking into consideration is that a lot of the people who are in this population have been here for a long time.
A large percentage of undocumented immigrants are people who came here and then overstayed their visa.
A 2019 paper put forth an estimate that about 62% of that population had been living in the United States for more than 10 years.
Anyway, just further full spectrum analysis, Alex is refusing to do because what's more important for him is to demonize vulnerable populations and make his audience fearful of them and angry at them because that's what sells super male vitality.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, what why are you doing this?
Also, what foreign soldiers?
jordan holmes
Foreign soldiers?
I can't.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, I need to clarify this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Are you assuming that there are people who are enlisted in foreign armies who are then posing as immigrants that are coming in?
And yes.
Okay.
I'm not sure if that's fully what Alex is saying.
Wait, I think he would enjoy that wrinkle.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But that's not real.
That's not fully what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, so these are just people who are here for the intent of being here to do things.
dan friesen
Yes, who are being enlisted.
jordan holmes
And then the government is incentivizing them to join the United States military.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Thereby making them foreign soldiers.
dan friesen
Yes.
And part of the reason that this is the way that it's going is because there's such an obsession in Alex's conspiracy community of the idea of the UN bringing in foreign troops on U.S. soil in order to impose one world government edicts.
jordan holmes
But see, that one, at the very least, makes sense insofar as these are not people that are going through the military training system that we created to get them to do what we say.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
You're right.
But he needs to make this evocative of that legacy.
Right.
And that's why there is that confusion and why you were led to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I just feel like it's impossible to believe that a bunch of people could go through military training assimilated with everybody else and then somehow still have the strength of will to be like, hey, buddy, we're going to kill everybody, right?
Like, that's nuts.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But maybe I'm wrong.
dan friesen
I could be full-spectrum analysis.
Must be done.
So Alex has some another clip here, another source he wants to cite, and it has to do with customs and Border Patrol.
Sure.
I will say that I made my first trip through customs coming back from the UK.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was fine.
It's a long line for sure.
I was envious of your pass for the quick line.
Particularly because there was a crying baby right next to me in the line, which, boy, I need to work on my patience.
That really got me.
jordan holmes
You'll never get through it.
dan friesen
Doing a lot of like squeezing my fist, just like you'll never get through a crying baby in an airport.
jordan holmes
It's just not going to happen.
It doesn't happen for me.
Tough.
That's why I went to a government office and was like, I'll do whatever you want to go through just so I can go through customs a little bit faster.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because I'm never going to be able to survive this again.
dan friesen
That line.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has some thoughts about statistics.
alex jones
Okay.
CBP enforcement statistics for 2023.
The vast majority, the Border Patrol reports are illegal aliens, military-age men.
dan friesen
So this page that Alex is reading off of is the Customs and Border Patrol Enforcement Statistics.
It doesn't have any of the information that he's reporting.
You have to go deeper into the CBP stats section to find demographic breakdowns, and even then, they don't specify genders.
If you do trace it down, you find that in 2023, encounters with single adults was down 16.3% year over year, and encounters with family units was up 18.2%.
Not sure how Alex accounts for that, but I guess a family unit is just code for multiple military-aged men.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, you got two dads, two brothers, family.
Yeah, it's a new nuclear, a nuclear bomb family.
Okay, I don't know.
dan friesen
I saw the excitement in your eyes.
jordan holmes
I'm running out of gas.
I'm running out of gas, man.
alex jones
Come on.
unidentified
That excitement was so poorly advised.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
It was heartbreaking.
Whatever.
I knew it all right.
Whenever it came out of my mouth, it was even more heartbreaking than I imagined.
dan friesen
That joke, notwithstanding, you're doing great.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, Alex has no idea what the data says here, and he hasn't looked into this source at all.
He has a heading of this CBP enforcement statistics that he's flashing up to the audience, and he's making up his own statistics to claim it contains.
This is a malicious version of lying that he's engaged in.
Yeah, real, real shitty.
Not good.
So, did you know that non-citizens can be cops?
Illegal aliens.
Undocumented immigrants are going to be made into cops.
jordan holmes
I feel like they can't just by virtue of not even you don't even need a law, right?
They just check your social security number, right?
dan friesen
Undocumented immigrants are going to be policing all the cities.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Illinois legislation would allow non-U.S. citizens to become police officers.
Other states are doing it, already have white New Mexico.
Now, let's tie it into this, and I'll tie it all together.
Bloomberg, corporate America kept its promise to hire more people of color.
Minorities are driving delivering all the U.S. labor supply growth.
Bloomberg: 94% of new corporate jobs go to non-whites.
Corporate America promised when Biden was elected to hire non-whites.
They delivered 94% after BLM and SP 100 added over 300,000 K jobs.
23% were black workers.
Now, let's look at the numbers from the study.
Here's a graph.
Here is the number of people of color hired: 94%.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And here is the white people hired in the last two and a half years: 6%.
jordan holmes
This is a pie graph.
alex jones
Talk about discrimination, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
What if you could cut your heating bills this winter with your existing wood-burning fireplace and not spend thousands doing it?
dan friesen
Got cut off by the break.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It wasn't a graph.
It's like an infographic.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So it's just like a clustering of little people.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
This represents the pile of white applicants.
jordan holmes
That's no good.
dan friesen
So I'm always amazed when Alex reads off three or four headlines about the same story and is seeming to be acting like it's about different things.
All those headlines are about the same Bloomberg analysis.
It's the propaganda radio show equivalent of a high school student throwing a bunch of bullshit into their work cited page to make the teacher think that they actually did the work.
Right.
It's really transparent and screams that he's not prepared or has read any of these articles, so it's pretty embarrassing.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
That Illinois law that Alex is talking about only covers legal permanent residents and green card holders, as well as people who have had asylum approved or their refugee status approved.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's for people who are legally authorized to be employed in the United States.
Yeah.
Obviously.
jordan holmes
You can't write a law that says a log is against the law.
dan friesen
Further, it only applies to people in such a situation like that who are legally allowed to work, who are also authorized to carry a gun, which is an even smaller substance.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that is that's even listen, trying to get a gun is race conscious, okay?
dan friesen
Yeah.
All of these actual details haven't stopped people like Ron DeSantis and Lauren Boebert from claiming it's all about making undocumented immigrants cops because they're stupid and they thrive on inciting white panic.
Further, I don't understand how Alex made that transition here.
If you pay attention, he's talking about immigrants and his fears about them, specifically that they're all military-aged men and now they're going to be allowed to be cops and rule over everybody.
Then he jumps right into the barrage of headlines about a Bloomberg analysis of SP 100 companies and their new hires being 94% non-white.
That isn't about immigrants.
It's a completely different issue, but Alex is making them connect, and it's really easy to see why the audience would go along with it.
That's because the non-whiteness of the immigrants is the thing that Alex is concerned with.
So the non-whiteness of the corporate hires matches up with the theme of what he's saying completely.
If you're paying attention to the actual subject he's talking about, it's confusing because these things aren't related.
But in Infowars linguistics, this makes perfect sense because it's all about white victimhood.
And further, the police aren't an SP 100 company.
Neither is the military.
jordan holmes
I think what's interesting.
Now, I mean, sure, all the lies.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
But I do think what's interesting about this is that it implies an awareness that cops abuse people.
dan friesen
Well, they would start in Alex's.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
But I mean, even then, we have to, if we keep going along this line, right?
So these are the first cops ever to abuse people.
Are they the only cops working in that precinct?
Or are there other presumably legal cops in that department who would cover for these people?
dan friesen
They're afraid.
Those other cops are afraid.
jordan holmes
What you're saying is that there is a systemic pattern of abuse that comes with cop.
I mean, because ostensibly, their idea is to protect and serve, right?
So somebody who is not from here is absolutely capable of protecting and serving.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You're admitting that cops are here to beat people up.
dan friesen
I think that you could probably draw a cleaner line between your thinking than Alex can with his.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But you notice he got cut off by the break there.
jordan holmes
I did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's getting into this Bloomberg article.
Break came.
I have noticed he's skipping breaks a bit.
And I think that's because he's keenly aware that there is no radio audience.
jordan holmes
That probably makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's other audio sources, though.
And so we're going to pick that up here from where he was in the commercial.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Just lying his ass off about this Bloomberg article.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
alex jones
Talk about discrimination, ladies and gentlemen.
This is it.
And here's all the breakdowns of professionals, managers, less senior roles.
All of it is the same numbers over and over again.
So what's really happening here?
It's very simple.
I'm going to lay it out.
dan friesen
So even just from a visual perspective, Alex should know better than to try and pull off this lie.
This is definitely not what the Bloomberg article says.
In fact, it shows super unequal levels of employment through different levels of jobs.
The infographic Alex is showing here shows the number of jobs gained in each of these different strata of employment, broken down by race.
In terms of less senior roles, which is described as like sales, labor, and service type roles, there were 16, or I'm sorry, 18.8,000 less white people in those positions year over year.
Comparatively, there were 106,000 more Hispanic people, 50.8,000 more black people, 19.2,000 more Asian people, and 19.4,000 more folks of other races holding these jobs.
Big increases in these other groups, decrease in white folks.
This is where the bulk of the numbers you're seeing reflected in this report exist.
And as you go up the ladder, it doesn't become more equal.
In the professional category, which is jobs that generally require some higher degree, 29.2,000 more positions were filled by white candidates compared to 15.5,000 and 15.6,000 by Hispanic and black job hunters, respectively.
Asian applicants ended up getting 41,000 of these positions, which admittedly is a big jump year over year and is closer to, well, actually, higher than the number of conditions of white employees.
Low and mid-level manager hires were fairly even across the board, but when you get to senior-level executives, it's very white.
White hires made up a little less than the number for Hispanic, black, and Asian hires combined on that level.
A little lower down in the article, there's another graphic that reflects the fact that most of the employees at these S ⁇ P companies are white.
For instance, over all levels of employment, 12 of the companies reviewed had workforces that were over 70% white, including three over 75% and one over 80%.
All of these dynamics are not captured by Alex's analysis because what he's doing isn't analysis.
Knowing more about this subject in an article would get in the way of his ability to use it for his purposes.
So he's incentivized to know less and make up more, which is what he's doing.
Yeah.
Idiot.
jordan holmes
It is so funny that you're right on.
The only people that this article is possibly useful for are Alex and the corporate execs who want to feel like they're not racist today.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like that's it.
That is for no one else.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
So good job, Bloomberg, right here.
dan friesen
I feel like maybe some unengaged types of people who may of goodwill, but sort of milquetoast people on the left could maybe feel a sense of we did it.
You know, maybe it's for them a little bit too.
jordan holmes
But they got to not have that.
dan friesen
But beyond that, that is really mostly serving the purposes of the company's propaganda.
jordan holmes
And I imagine they're also the ones who are the executives of many of the companies.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like those people at the companies might be a little bit more nefarious and self-aware of.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
So Alex lays out essentially the beats of this baseless racist conspiracy that he's selling.
alex jones
I'm going to lay it out.
You turn off the resources with global investment and with lockdowns for three years in the third world.
Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, poor areas of Asia.
You set up UN refugee centers to take military-age men, set them up, give them debit cards, give them paths to enter, and then send them to Europe, Western Europe, and the United States.
jordan holmes
Debit cards?
alex jones
You sign them up once they get here with Democrat Party and leftist law firms in Europe.
They pay part of their paycheck and the welfare they're signed up for.
No one enforces it in blue cities.
So they get two paychecks, but either paycheck won't pay for them, so they've got to go on welfare and have a job.
But a large portion of each check goes to the global esteep state.
So they fund themselves while they create this permanent underclass.
So the third world, 80-plus million the UN admits, starve to death under lockdowns, not from the virus, from the lockdowns.
They're forced to come here.
They're then brainwashed, turned into ideologues, told America's bad, given an anti-white brainwashing course.
Then they're put into the workforce and the infrastructure.
Predominantly, the U.S. military is the biggest hire of the, quote, migrants.
That's why they're not letting families and stuff through as much as they let military-age men, particularly those that have criminal backgrounds.
Just like the Russians had their Wagner group that was made up of ex-cons.
This has been done many times.
dan friesen
Just a few months ago, Infowars was running a recruitment ad for the Wagner group.
So Alex can fuck right off with that nonsense at the end there.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
As of the larger picture of that clip, nothing that Alex is saying is real.
This is literally entirely built from his own paranoid racist imagination.
One of the things that's worrying about this clip in particular, however, is that there's a coherence to the narrative, like we were talking about at the beginning.
It's all bullshit, but there's connective tissue that links the thoughts together.
The threads of various other conspiracy theories are being intertwined here to present to the audience a larger meta-conspiracy.
And the only point of that meta-conspiracy is to sow fear and distrust of immigrants and non-white people that you might suspect are immigrants.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know how else to put this other than to say that this is beyond Alex's capabilities.
Someone else helped him with this.
And if I had to guess, it's something that he's getting from an explicit white nationalist or from a white nationalist website.
Alex is doing his level best to sanitize the message and make it appear to not be white nationalist in nature, so the less extreme members of his audience can accept it.
But make no mistake, this is intensely racist white nationalist coverage and messaging.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's also just a bunch of factual errors in what Alex is saying, so I've chosen just a few to discuss.
Alex says that 80 million plus people died from starvation because of the lockdowns.
That's just not true.
And if Alex cared at all about this issue of food insecurity around the world, he would never behave this way.
There are many countries in the developing world where hunger is a severe issue.
And if you consult the folks who work to fight that hunger, you'll never hear them cite a globalist conspiracy involving fake outbreak lockdowns as a serious factor.
The number one driver of food insecurity in many of these countries, like Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Sudan, is the climate.
These are countries that were already food insecure generally and have been facing catastrophic situations like extended droughts and flooding.
Other countries have conflict-related food dynamics, like in Afghanistan, Nigeria, and Yemen.
Outbreaks of fighting limit the importing of necessary goods like food, and the people suffer for it.
This is a very real problem, but the way Alex talks about it is bullshit.
There were impacts that COVID had on supply chains, which were felt in these developing countries, but 80 million additional people didn't die of starvation because of it.
Alex just has a headline from like two years ago where the UN food program head was warning that food insecurity could get worse, and Alex has lied about and embellished that headline since in order to use it as a touchstone in his conspiracy theory.
He's using the dead bodies of people in developing countries as a prop for his presentation, which is meant to make his overwhelmingly white audience hate people from developing countries even more and make them resist aiding them in any way.
And that circle is not an accident.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Alex further says that the military is the largest employer of immigrants, so that's complete bullshit.
The military doesn't even rank compared to manufacturing, agriculture, construction, and employment in private household capacities.
This is just a completely fabricated stat that Alex is throwing out because he needs to make the audience scared that this bullshit conspiracy he's selling them is much larger than they think.
Oh, it's so big.
jordan holmes
I will say this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I know it had to have been helped by someone else because the ultimate goal of this conspiracy does not square with the ultimate goals of other globalist conspiracies.
How are we eradicating 95% of the population through this?
dan friesen
Well, I guess you could link that pretty easily because these troops that are coming in will take the guns and taking the guns is an essential step to killing off 95% of the people.
jordan holmes
Sure, but we're adding 600 million people here.
dan friesen
Right, but they'll be killed too.
jordan holmes
This plan, I feel like that's going to be way too long to kill them, to execute this plan and still eradicate 95% of the population.
dan friesen
Globalists like to dude, they like to take the long way.
jordan holmes
You're giving all of these people who you want to eradicate a shit ton of guns in the hundreds of millions.
dan friesen
Right, you got to sometimes, you know, the globalists want to play on hard mode.
jordan holmes
I like a challenge.
Is that what we're doing?
unidentified
Are they setting themselves up for this new game plus for them?
alex jones
Oh, man.
dan friesen
They already did this with the mother planet.
jordan holmes
I just can't.
I just can't.
dan friesen
They did this with Tiamat.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, they just stick with one plan.
Come on.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a load of shit.
And so's this.
alex jones
And now you've got a domestic security force just as big and just as strong as our military in the police forces and in the military.
So this isn't some wives' tale.
It's not some red dawn scenario from a movie.
This is really going on.
And whether you're in Europe or here, they are putting the illegal aliens in bureaucrat jobs and law enforcement jobs.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Because they don't speak the language and they'll follow orders.
They have units made up in Europe and here of the groups that'll enforce.
And I'm nothing against Sikhs.
What?
Their own independence, they're their own Hindu group.
They've been involved in the Sikhs since the end of the government.
If you go to England, you look this up for decades, they have whole units of Sikhs that go out and do whatever they're told by the government.
Because it's a unit.
They can do it.
They'll all watch each other's back.
It's a mafia.
That's why Illinois and other states are legalizing illegal aliens being your police.
dan friesen
Alex is completely wrong about this whole thing.
As I mentioned earlier, the law in Illinois only applies to immigrants and refugees who would be legally allowed to work and who are allowed to carry a firearm.
jordan holmes
And Sikhs.
dan friesen
If you are an undocumented immigrant, you are neither of those things and you will not be allowed to be a cop.
jordan holmes
Unless you're a Sikh.
dan friesen
Alex is just lying about this because it plays into the white fears that excite his audience.
jordan holmes
White fears of Sikhs?
dan friesen
Apparently.
So with that Sikh thing in England, it's a little bit different than what Alex is saying.
So there are not whole units made up of Sikh individuals.
However, there is a group called the National Sikh Police Association, which represents UK citizens of the Sikh faith who are employed as police.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There have been historical tensions between the Sikh community and the police for a number of reasons.
One is the desire for the creation of an independent state, ideally carved out of what is currently India.
That causes a bit of tension.
Another major issue is that the Sikhs are required by the articles of their faith to carry a ceremonial dagger called a carpon at all times, which has led to tension between security forces at places like airports.
Sikh folks have been arrested for wearing their carpon in public, and this has caused a lot of distrust aimed in both directions.
Another article of faith is that Sikhs must wear a turban, which is a problem for some branches of the police who are required to wear bulletproof helmets.
This was an example of a situation that got resolved, where Sikh officers are allowed to wear smaller turbans that fit within their helmets.
The National Sikh Police Association is an attempt to smooth out these relations and mediate in a way that's productive to both groups' interests, spearheaded by Sikh individuals who are employed as cops.
And Alex is representing this as groups of Sikhs who will do the government's bidding and kill everyone.
It's fucking nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
I have no opinions.
dan friesen
In many ways, this is no different than any other group representing specific interests, like the numerous Christian police associations in the UK and here in the United States.
jordan holmes
Quite a few.
dan friesen
Alex has taken this group and reported to his audience that there's a special strike force that the UK can use against the white population.
And these are the fingerprints of intense racism, just on full display.
And, you know, it makes me what you said that his audience probably just is like, yeah, that's real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, I don't know what the solution is, but to all of the things that you just told me about, we're doing the wrong answers.
All of them.
dan friesen
So look, I know this is a little bit dense.
There's a lot of, but like I said, Alex is trying.
There's a presentation that he's putting on, and when he steps up and does a little bit of this stuff, I feel like it behooves me to do the same.
But also, I assure you, in a little bit, we'll get to nonsense.
jordan holmes
Oh, maybe I forgot we were ever.
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
That is silly nonsense.
Sure, sure.
But for now, we must deal with the xenophobic racism.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So they know exactly what they're doing.
They impoverish them.
They destroy them.
They bring who's left here, military-age men.
They form them into these groups.
And then the majority, the largest block, look it up.
Type in migrants.
People immigrating.
Just type.
They don't call me legal aliens.
Migrants make up the biggest percentage of the new military sign-ups and recruits.
And so they get here, they sign them up, they get military training, and now our military is being transferred from being a U.S. citizen volunteer force.
And they do that to run out the volunteer force, transgenderism, critical race theory, all the anti-white crap.
So all the rural people, all the southerners, all the folks that know how to skin a buck, run a trot line that made up our military, the world feared.
They're getting out.
And then now you've got the military-age men.
Look at that.
You see women there?
Yeah, maybe one out of a hundred there.
I mean, look at it.
dan friesen
So Alex, what he's doing here is just making a great replacement theory specific to the armed services.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's weird.
dan friesen
You kind of have to sit back and admire how desperately he's trying not to say that the people he wants in the army are white people with how many attempts at euphemism he employs.
jordan holmes
Boy.
dan friesen
They can skin a buck run a trot line.
These southern people.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Pretty admirable.
jordan holmes
It's something.
dan friesen
Alex is a bit of a liar about the military here.
You can't just be an undocumented immigrant and join the military, although you also don't have to be a citizen.
There's a middle ground that Alex is pretending doesn't exist, which is if you're a permanent resident but not a citizen.
You can have a green card and join the military, for example.
Sure.
Alex is pretending you can just illegally cross the border and then show up at a recruitment center and they'll take you in and give you a uniform and a gun.
That's absurd.
That's not how any of this works.
You have to be a permanent resident and you have to pass certain English fluency tests in order to be able to make it even in the door.
This is how our country has always worked.
And approximately 5,000 non-citizen applicants enlist each year.
This isn't the majority of enlistments like Alex is saying.
It's closer to 6% of the total number of new recruits.
It's important to understand the way Alex is misrepresenting this because underneath that, his flagrant racism and xenophobia are on clear display.
But it's the misrepresentation kind of has to be understood in order to get under it.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'll say this.
Isn't he saying that, I mean, that's our recruitment process now in the South and rural areas.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
To incentivize people to join the military in almost exactly the same way as he's saying to that.
dan friesen
It's always been in terms of like, you know, you can get free education.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
But I mean, but he's pointing out that they're preying on a certain group of people by choosing this behavior.
Right.
So he's also saying that they're preying on the trout line douchebags.
dan friesen
Skin a buck run a trout line?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So he's saying that our military is fundamentally predating on people who are created by the system that impoverishes them.
dan friesen
I think you're going to drive yourself crazy.
I'm just saying he doesn't understand what it is.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand what words mean.
dan friesen
Well, this comes down to the inability or unwillingness to play if this, then, that kind of scenarios.
Because what are the implications of the things he's saying?
That's exactly the point you're making.
jordan holmes
It's not fair.
It's not fair.
You should have to deal with at least one.
You should have to deal with at least one implication of what it is.
That's my new life.
That's a law.
That's my new law.
dan friesen
That's an interesting law.
jordan holmes
Illegal, undocumented, join the military.
And also, you have to have one hypothetical.
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I support at least the second part.
Okay.
Information abuse laws.
So, anyway, immigrants are red dawn scenario.
alex jones
So, you bring in your red dawn force.
They don't parachute in like the 1980s movie with Charlie Sheen and the rest of them.
No, they're brought in, they're prepared, they're brought into the cities, they're given jobs, and then later they will do whatever their sponsors say.
Because if they don't riot or they don't kill or they don't commit a crime, they are deported.
So, they follow their orders.
So, this is the globalist takeover program.
dan friesen
This is insanely racist and just full of shit.
I don't know how else to say it.
jordan holmes
I mean, why follow your orders?
There are roughly 300-plus million of you, and you all have guns now.
Just don't follow the orders.
dan friesen
Follow the orders for a while.
alex jones
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Status quo changes.
jordan holmes
Totally.
And then now you've got so many more guns.
Why would you give the people that you know what?
dan friesen
Here's what's interesting.
I think that that is the conspiracy Alex would have done like in 2006 or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Earlier time in his career, it was.
The immigrants that come in will usurp the military.
jordan holmes
I mean, sure.
That's so strange, but okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's frustrating.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there's a naturalization that is offered for people who enlist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex misrepresents this in a way that is glaring.
alex jones
There it is: military naturalization statistics.
U.S. service members, veterans, and other families may be eligible for certain immigration benefits in recognition of their important sacrifice.
Specifically, veterans and current service members may be eligible to become U.S. citizens through naturalization under special provisions of the Immigration Naturalization Act in INA.
These provisions reduce or eliminate certain general requirements for naturalization, including requirements for the applicant to have resided or been physically present in the United States for a specific period of time for naturalization.
That's the new rules 2002.
That was changed.
So that's what's going on here, ladies and gentlemen.
It's not coming.
It's not developing.
It's here.
dan friesen
I mean, that's all real that he's reading, but it doesn't apply to undocumented immigrants.
It applies to permanent residents who enlist.
If they would like to become citizens, then there are incentives for naturalization that the military offers.
And to not, I think, would be incredibly shitty.
jordan holmes
I'm going to throw this out at you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
I refuse to give a fuck about this.
That is somebody else's problem.
dan friesen
All of that.
jordan holmes
Like, in my life, I refuse to have somebody like Alex read that to me and pretend that I have to care.
I don't care if that particular part is part of some grander conspiracy.
I don't fucking care about that specific shit.
dan friesen
Well, here's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Get it out of here.
dan friesen
I don't care.
Throw it out of here.
I don't care about it in terms of Alex's use of it and such.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I do think, as a standing policy, if somebody is a permanent resident and they care about the country and want to serve the country, I think not offering some kind of, hey, you know what?
You are exactly the sort of folks we like to have around here.
You certainly would like to be a part of our country.
We'd like to help you become a citizen.
If you didn't do that, I think that would be real shitty.
jordan holmes
I think that's great.
You should go talk to somebody else about it forever.
dan friesen
Foreign.
jordan holmes
Forever.
I don't care.
dan friesen
Would you like to talk about Obama?
jordan holmes
I mean, fine.
alex jones
So let's go ahead now and let's roll a clip of Obama right before he was elected Telling the world what the plan was.
Here it is.
barack obama
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set.
We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.
We cannot continue to rely only on our military.
dan friesen
Plays it twice.
Ugh.
So, you know, the image here, you're getting the image that's being presented by Alex or by Obama?
By Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
I mean, all the civilians are the immigrants, and they're going to supplant the military.
dan friesen
And that Obama was talking about that years and years ago.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's all a plan.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What was he talking about?
dan friesen
He was talking about expanding AmeriCorps.
alex jones
Oh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Just before that clip that Alex played, Obama says, quote, when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem.
They are the answer.
So we're going to send more college graduates to mentor our young people.
We'll call on Americans to join an energy corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods across the country.
This part of the speech wasn't about creating secret minority-only police forces.
It was about the government facilitating civic projects through things like AmeriCorps.
It was also about expanding the Peace Corps and Foreign Service, specifically as an attempt to undo the damage the Bush administration had done to the country's position in terms of diplomacy.
Alex knows all this, or the most generous interpretation I have is that he's so painfully uncurious that he just saw this clip of Obama and said, that sounds scary enough.
And then he never looked into it, which I find almost impossible, but maybe possible.
jordan holmes
I mean, it does sound scary enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's like, I can use that for so many.
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, yeah, totally.
No, I would definitely keep that one in my back pocket because there's a lot of uses for, we're going to get a civilian national security force as strong as the military.
I get it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So one thing that I think is really bizarre.
So we've talked about the way that this has connective tissue, that this conspiracy makes some sense generally.
Sure.
But it also lacks coherence in that Alex is taking this from like, okay, they're trying to create these ways to have these immigrants come in and then make them the military police and such.
But then he's also trying to weave this into like Soros DAs not prosecuting black crime and stuff like that.
He's trying to use this very specifically to fuel his more general race conspiracies.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
And so we hear a little bit of this here.
barack obama
Just as well funded.
alex jones
So let's explain how this works.
Starting six years ago, the George Soros DAs that control every major city in the country, any major city, most even mid-sized cities, it's like a thousand-plus cities.
Look it up.
Said, we don't care, as long as a person's brown or black, if they shoot somebody, they rape somebody, we let them out, we don't even charge them.
You see it all in the news.
We're going to allow people to loot and rob.
And then, of course, the majority of black folks and people aren't criminals, but there's a large minority of that minority that are going to do it.
And they're in Bolden.
And so they rob all the major blue cities until the malls close, the Walgreens close, the CVS close, the government store close.
And they go, oh, don't worry.
We're going to federalize things and open up the old Walmarts.
Biden's going to give us billions of dollars.
We're going to give you free food through these things.
So, this is the process, the processes.
And now the criminals are fanning out into the suburbs and the rural areas.
And when you shoot somebody, even in your small town, that's breaking into your house at 2 a.m. with a gun, you learn that your small town of 5,000 people elected a Soros mayor or a Soros DA and you get charged.
Figure it out yet?
dan friesen
I figured something out.
And that is that this is complete nonsense.
But it's important to point out that this is indistinguishable at this point from outright white supremacist messaging.
One of the hallmarks of the Klan and outlets like the Council of Conservative Citizens is the fantasy that the system doesn't punish crimes committed by non-white people and crimes committed against white people.
The reason that this is the case is that these groups know that fear and white victimhood narratives are some of the most potent recruiting tools.
Amplifying these feelings can have the effect of overriding a person's critical thinking skills and putting them into an emotional decision-making state where they're forming impressions based on a fraudulent sense of existential doom.
It's a tried and true tactic in big communities over time, and Alex isn't going to be the only one not using that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
He's a white nationalist.
Go for it.
Yeah.
You got to.
dan friesen
You seem deflated.
jordan holmes
I just, yeah, go for it.
Be more racist.
Fine.
dan friesen
So the Soros DAs and what have you, you know, they don't do it.
They're not going to solve any of these crimes.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
Because there's this, there's a terrible crimes are all being committed against white people, and the police aren't going to do anything about it.
The Soros DAs aren't going to charge them.
jordan holmes
Right.
But here's the thing, right?
If the Soros DAs are in charge of immigrant police departments that already have full sway under the law, like what that seems, that's just, that's overkill.
That seems extraneous.
dan friesen
That is an element of this wrinkle that Alex is not discussing.
He's not full spectrum analyzing.
jordan holmes
See, here's the issue.
This is a monopoly or this is vertical integration, and I don't appreciate it.
They need to have some separation of.
Never mind.
dan friesen
Well, here's the great news about it.
It's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
That is good news.
dan friesen
And Alex decides to yell at black people who will not speak out enough about the plight of white people.
alex jones
You can't swing a stick in the UN or swing a stick in the dark in the WEF or any of these places and not hit a Nazi.
And boy, the white supremacists have a fit about that when I just say, what is this sick relationship with the ADL and Nazis?
Because they don't want to say Nazis are bad, too.
I say the ADL's bad and the Nazis are bad.
They're all vermin.
Criminals.
Out to destroy us.
Out to divide us.
jordan holmes
You understand racism?
alex jones
Absolutely.
The Nazis use race to control.
The liberals use it.
The left uses it.
That's why I say, hey, they're calling everybody Nazis.
Closest thing I ever saw to a Nazi is a leftist.
The Democratic Party, the KKK.
They say the NRA is the KKK.
Remember that?
That was a big talking point in the last five years.
The NRA was founded to counter the KKK.
It's upside-down world.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true.
alex jones
I'm sick of it.
I'm tired of it.
I'm tired of 20-to-1 black-on-white crime and white people being preyed upon as a bunch of black people been brainwashed.
We deserve to be killed because we're a virus.
We're a mosquito.
We're a piece of garbage.
And we need black people, which are starting to do it, to speak out against it and say, we're not part of that.
Like white people saying, we're not part of the KKK.
I want black people to say, we're not part of these racial attacks on white people.
If you don't, you're part of it.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question.
Has Alex listened to anyone from the like.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
I don't even need you to clarify.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
Answer is no.
No, he's not listening to anybody.
jordan holmes
All right, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
It is always fun whenever they're like, where are these people condemning this stuff?
And it's like, you deliberately go out of your way to not listen to them and to keep them from saying things.
dan friesen
Yeah, and ignore if you accidentally come upon.
But it is interesting that this is the way that the entire pageant and presentation about his conspiracy hidden in plain view ends with him passionately screaming at black people to condemn attacks on white people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one.
dan friesen
It does seem like he cares more about that than anything else he's said so far.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's a lot of passion behind it.
jordan holmes
I think in terms of our foreign troops, immigrants, the draft is coming back, shotgun spaghetti at the very beginning.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I really feel like we ended far afield.
dan friesen
We sure did.
If you're actually paying attention to the points.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
If you look at it as all really just different tendrils coming out of white victimhood narratives, then it all makes total sense that that's where his brain goes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that's the essential through line that I think is important to approach this content with.
Maybe he's saying these things, and they don't make sense, but maybe he's actually talking about something else underneath the surface that does make sense for this connection to be made.
So that's that's where he's at.
jordan holmes
Racism does break your brain, doesn't it?
dan friesen
It kind of does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we're done with that.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
And now we get on to what I would describe as the beginning of some silly bullshit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Which is where we will wrap things up because I don't want to talk about that weird British journalist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So this all begins because Alex got mad at a tweet.
Would you believe it?
jordan holmes
I believe it.
alex jones
You know, I saw this on Twitter.
I'm going to go to your phone calls.
And it's so illustrative.
jordan holmes
He said this.
alex jones
Let's talk about the screen, please.
Some leftist Schroeder sneachy belly says, I swear to God, every historical fact trotted out by the right is either some tinfoil hack conspiracy theory made up by someone like Alex Jones or like in the case of this map, something literally everybody but them has known since learning it in junior high.
No, it's not taught in junior high that 98% of black slaves were sent to the Middle East or to South America or to Central America or the Caribbean.
For good crazy numbers, yeah.
90 plus percent of the slaves were sent to Brazil and were sent to the Caribbean and were sent to the Middle East and were sent to India and were sent to Madagascar.
dan friesen
I don't know about that last one.
alex jones
So, oh, you kooks are nuts, but your map's right.
And here's my deal: is a Brazilian guilty that 10 grandfathers before him bought some black slaves at a slave?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So this is something that you would learn in school.
And I think that there's a fascinating dynamic at play where a bunch of people don't pay attention in class.
They never did the assigned readings.
And then they insist that their school would never touch some kind of supposedly dangerous material that they encounter on Twitter.
jordan holmes
I've heard that a lot.
dan friesen
It's intellectually pathetic.
And people who act like that should be mocked and at least not taken seriously.
This map that Alex is clearly mad about is pretty misleading, too, but it misleads by using actual data.
For example, Brazil was the destination for about 60 to 70% of enslaved persons sent over from Africa during this time period that it covers, with only about 6% of the people going to the United States.
Yet, mysteriously, by the time of the Civil War, the U.S. enslaved population made up over half of the enslaved population in the Western Hemisphere.
Between 1790 and 1860, the enslaved population in the United States went from 697,624 to 3,953,760.
The U.S. didn't need to import as many enslaved persons because our system of chattel slavery included having enslaved people reproduce and then enslaving their children.
Thus, when you look at numbers that just include importation figures, you miss out on the larger context, which is exactly what Alex wants to do.
He wants to eliminate the context and reality of American slavery in order to minimize its impact because he's a flagrant racist.
As to the question of whether or not someone in Brazil should be responsible for their ancestor enslaving people, it's the same question as it relates to the United States.
You aren't personally responsible for the actions of your ancestors, but you do exist in the context of their actions.
The legacy of American slavery involves the theft of billions of hours of labor, and after the abolition of slavery, the intentional effort to keep black people unable to interact with the public market, thereby destroying generations of wealth.
All this has a tremendous impact on the world that we live in today, and it's only one of the variables of our unresolved history as it relates to slavery.
To the extent that that exists in Brazil, it's the same problem if it does.
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't know the most about Brazilian culture, but to the extent that that exists, it's a problem.
Another important variable that Alex is failing to recognize is that a lot of the places on the map where slaves were being sent were territories being held by imperial powers.
For instance, through almost the entire history that map covers, Brazil was a colony of Portugal, and they had a giant interest in the sugarcane exports from Brazil.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
Many of the large destinations for enslaved persons had a similar dynamic.
Cuba was a Spanish colony at the time.
Saint Dominique was a French colony.
And Jamaica was a British colony.
All of these places were major sugarcane producers, as well as some other crops like coffee.
So the imperial powers came in, enslaved local populations, but then needed more labor.
So they imported humans from Africa.
This is a far more complicated issue than Alex wants to recognize because his only interest is in pretending that the history of racist structures in the United States really isn't that bad.
He's wrong, and he really needs to stop getting so mad at tweets.
He's almost 50 years old.
This is sad.
jordan holmes
This type of argument and this type of thing is one of those deceptive, lesser of two evil kinds of like what I'm trying to say isn't that, oh, we didn't slave.
I'm trying to say that they're overestimating the slave we did.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
When in reality, you can't have zero.
This is not a conversation that can have one.
You can't have a little bit.
dan friesen
Right.
And the numbers are irrelevant.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
Like more important conversation.
jordan holmes
Totally.
To even suggest that this is worth the idea of percentages of total like it's an like it's an economic question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like it's an economic question.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's fucked up.
Focusing on that is the way that Alex is is at best a distraction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, oh, here's the thing about this: logistics.
unidentified
Wrong.
jordan holmes
No, Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So earlier in the episode, we enjoyed Alex attempting a little satire about Diane Feinstein.
Sure.
And I mentioned that Swift might come back up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And in fact, he does.
But I don't think that Alex understands satire.
jordan holmes
Taylor Swift?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Johnny.
alex jones
Ah.
dan friesen
Johnny Swift.
I don't think Alex understands what he was up to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They think they'll collapse things and then we'll line up and kiss their asses.
No, we'll eat your ass.
And that's why I did that three years ago went viral.
I said, since civilization collapses and my kids are starving, I'll haul your ass up by a chin and eat your ass.
And I was doing an analogy.
Oh, my modest proposal, the famous satire.
Millions of Irish were dying.
There was only one British lord that was Irish.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
And the House of Lords was saying, well, let's just kill all the Irish.
Screw them.
Let's not help them in the potato famine.
And so this British lord wrote an op-ed under a pseudonym.
jordan holmes
I like it.
alex jones
Seeing, yeah, the Irish should quit bitching.
We should just tell them to fatten up their babies and sell them to us and eat them.
And the British weren't used to satire.
There was a debate.
jordan holmes
Sorry?
alex jones
Maybe we should.
A minority of people.
Maybe we should just eat the Irish.
You think you're safe when you eat people's kids?
Think that's a world you want to live in?
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
I mean, I mean, seriously, folks, there's no bottom to this when you go a long way.
It's insane.
jordan holmes
Wait.
Are we now.
alex jones
And I've warned the left: it won't be Alex Jones you got to worry about when stuff goes south, which it already is.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
It'll be your neighbors.
And the Pentagon's own reports admit within 10 days, anyone that doesn't commit suicide in a collaboration with no food or water starts murdering.
Within 15, the majority become cannibals.
dan friesen
So, why are they killing for those five days in between?
jordan holmes
That is the good.
That's a good question.
That is a good question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the British, not accustomed to satire.
jordan holmes
That's one of the weirder things I think I've ever heard in my entire life.
See, the British, not used to satire.
dan friesen
What about old Billy Shakespeare?
He had a little bit of satire.
jordan holmes
Nah, I didn't understand anything.
dan friesen
What about the other things that Jonathan Swift had written previously?
jordan holmes
What was that?
I think he's a figment of Alex's imagination.
dan friesen
Also, he wasn't a member of the House of Lords.
jordan holmes
I swear to you, I don't understand any of what Alex was trying to say there.
dan friesen
He's grasping at straws, trying to intellectualize the idea that he said he would eat his neighbors.
jordan holmes
Right.
But I mean, is he bringing that back up to play the hits?
dan friesen
You know, like, here's what I think.
jordan holmes
Let me give you an let me give him another taste to eat your ass.
dan friesen
Here's what I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's desperate.
jordan holmes
He was thinking that too.
dan friesen
I think he's a little desperate to kill time and for attention, and he wants to do this again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he does.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Power goes off within a month.
Mass cannibalism.
Now, in that world, I've been honest, with my children and my family, some guy shows up to rob my house.
I'll be waiting for him in the bushes.
jordan holmes
I walk around with them.
alex jones
We don't got any food.
I'm going to butcher them.
I'm going to eat you.
My family's not going to.
I will eat human flesh.
I will cut your ass up.
I'll eat you.
I'll cook you on a spit.
I don't want to.
But before you kill me, I'm going to feast on your flesh.
You're the ones brought us here.
You're the ones who took us to this point.
I'm made to dominate.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
You're not.
And I'm talking to the left.
You're a bunch of candy asses.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess domination is bad.
alex jones
You want to eat bugs.
So I'll tell you again: the world you're leading us to is cannibalism.
And in that world, I'm the gorilla.
dan friesen
He's the gorilla.
alex jones
Hold on.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
All right.
If your stock is eating bugs, you're eating bugs too.
dan friesen
Oh, so if I survive on bugs and Alex eats me, he's a bug eater.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
This is how Klaus Schwab wins.
jordan holmes
This is how he wins.
We're all going to eat the bugs.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, obviously, there's a couple dynamics at play here.
The first is that I think Alex really misses how excited and how viral that you're at.
And so he's trying to do this again.
But then also, there's another through line through it that I can't tell if he's just trying to be like, how can I say this differently?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he seems to really want you to know he's okay with eating people.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think he's trying to recapture some of that viral magic for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I don't think he understands you can only reveal you'll eat people one time.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
After that, it's in the canon.
You know, yeah, you eat people.
We get it.
dan friesen
It's like a kid who did something kind of, I don't know, transgressive for attention.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then is like, hey, you want to see me do that again?
You want to see me do that again?
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
You want to see me do that again?
jordan holmes
No, you already ate the bugs, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Ironically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
No, it is a little bit like an almost inverse, you know, like that old joke.
Oh, I've worked in a gravedigger for 30 years.
Do they call me gravedigger, Mike?
No.
You fuck a monkey one time and you're a monkey fucker, Mike.
And it is like, but that's just, you can only do that once.
After that, nobody's like surprised.
You can't be like, oh, I fucked another monkey.
Everybody's like, yeah, you're the monkey fucker guy.
dan friesen
Let's get out of here.
But see, this is where Alex is trying to now escalate.
jordan holmes
Right.
Oh, he's going to escalate.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's going to fuck two monkeys.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Well, metaphorically.
So I believe what I hear in this next clip is that Alex is going to try to create a cannibal community for himself to live within after the collapse.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm the lion.
I'm the tiger.
I'm the alpha male.
I'm the killer whale.
I'm the apex predator.
I will destroy you.
And while we're getting our farming set up and our emergency energy system set up, we'll have a meeting.
Thousands of people in front of me.
I'll say, we don't want to eat people.
But they put us in this position.
Before we get the protein we need, we're going to have to resort to cannibalism.
Are you ready?
And they're going to literally tell me, yes, Jones, we're ready to eat man flesh.
And I'll say, let's do it.
Man flesh.
You don't have the will to kill people and eat them.
I do.
dan friesen
Wow.
Weird flex.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would say I do not have the will to kill and eat people.
And I'm comfortable with that.
jordan holmes
I believe he is, I think he's trying to start the Urukai.
How about this meeting?
How about this at the meeting?
dan friesen
Quite a meeting.
jordan holmes
How can we farm faster?
Does anybody have any better ideas than let's go eat man flesh?
Alex, you got to stay back in that corner.
dan friesen
What other sources of protein are available to us than man flesh?
Alex, a little too eager to eat people, I think.
jordan holmes
If I'm in any meeting where man flesh is evoked, I'm out.
Out.
I'll go somewhere else.
dan friesen
The risk you run with leaving is that they might end up eating you at some point.
And I'll take that risk.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm not in that meeting and then I'm turning around and then walking away.
I am backing out slowly.
My eyes are on you the whole time.
dan friesen
Still, the risk is lower than staying there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're going to get eaten.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because maybe a human hunting party goes bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They come back and they're like, well, Jordan, gonna have to eat you.
jordan holmes
The first person you eat is the guy who's like, maybe let's not eat people.
You've got to eat that guy.
He's going to be annoying the whole time.
You're going to be eating that.
dan friesen
He's going to judge you for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're going to be eating the guy and he's like, hey, we shouldn't do that.
You know, get that guy out of here.
dan friesen
But here's the thing that you need to recognize.
The globalists are bringing us into the cannibalism state.
And when we get there.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Jordan, you're laughing.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
When we get to that point, your neighbor is going to try and eat you.
jordan holmes
Okay, so we're in zero-sum game.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
It's eaten or be eaten.
alex jones
Humans, your neighbor will become a piranha-like demon after 10 days of no food.
But a piranha-like demon will just run up to your camp trying to eat you with a machete in their hand.
We're just sitting there waiting for them.
All right, haul them up.
Let's eat them.
I don't want to go to that economy, but in that economy, I will eat you.
Maybe that gets to you at some genetic level.
Because the people playing predator aren't the predators.
I'm the predator.
My listeners are the predators.
They actually care.
jordan holmes
That's all.
alex jones
I don't want to do this.
jordan holmes
Wait.
alex jones
But if you put us in that wheelhouse, I'll eat you.
dan friesen
I'll eat you.
Generally, I do think Alex is a predator, but describing him as an apex predator is silly.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I am very out of shape, and I think I could outrun him pretty easily.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Not difficult.
dan friesen
I guess if you have a gun, anybody can be considered an apex.
jordan holmes
I feel like he can only move side to side like a crab.
You know, he doesn't have the forward momentum anymore.
dan friesen
Sure.
And he can't turn his head to the side.
His neck's too full.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think one of the ironies ultimately about this, I find, is that the people we most associate with fasting or not eating for 10 days are the most peaceful people that can be.
dan friesen
But Alex has talked about fasting and stuff.
That is a thing that is brought up in Christian circles a bit.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean, we're talking about hunger strikes, we're talking about monks, we're talking about all this stuff.
And yet, at the same time, his argument is that if you don't eat for 10 days, you will try and eat a human.
dan friesen
Well, 10 days in, Gandhi took some man flesh.
jordan holmes
Let me question it.
Let me riddle you this.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Are they secretly sneaking man flesh?
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
All those Buddhist monks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All those hunger strikers sneaking in man flesh after 10 days.
dan friesen
That's why they have to go to these temples that are so secluded.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Otherwise, the man flesh supply would be noticed.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
Yeah.
And you can't go back.
That's the other thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Once you taste man flesh.
dan friesen
Yep, that's why you have to take the oath.
jordan holmes
Yes.
That's right.
dan friesen
I forgot there was so a vow of silence.
You can't talk about it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
So here's the thing: you're killing all these people.
Sure.
You're eating them.
jordan holmes
You would assume you feel a little bit bad.
dan friesen
Alex says he doesn't want to do it, but I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that even for a second.
dan friesen
But there's a logistical issue.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that is what he can do with all the blood.
alex jones
Oh, yep, I change.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
But I don't want to make a soup out of your blood.
You get sick if you just drink blood straight up.
Just boil it, add some potatoes.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
But before my children die, I'll cook you.
jordan holmes
Would you feed yourself to you?
alex jones
You really want me to cook you?
Are you looking for daddy to stand up?
Keep looking for the alpha male.
You keep looking for somebody to show you how it's done.
I'll show you.
That's all that's going to be going around when the food's cut off.
The energy's cut off sweet people.
The pigeons, the rats, we'll try to eat them first.
Squirrels.
jordan holmes
They're too.
alex jones
They'll be gone a couple weeks.
Then guess who's on the menu?
You.
dan friesen
You.
You're on the menu.
This is just so dumb.
Like, one of the things that's really interesting to me, though, is that he does not drunk.
He doesn't sound drunk.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Like his normal drunk thing.
This is just desperate.
It's pathetically intentionally designed to try and get people to post about it.
Yep.
And for what it's worth, I'm fairly glad that I didn't see people taking the bait.
So that's good.
But here's the dynamic that I think is important to understand.
Alex does stuff like this in order to bait attention and go viral with people making fun of him.
Now, on the same show, he did this ridiculous xenophobic racist pageant.
And that's the content that he wants people to accidentally find by way of advertising it through this, I'm going to drink your blood in a stew kind of shit.
There is an intentionality to it.
There is a, he's like a really fucked up dude and he says really fucked up things, but there is definitely, maybe it's even kind of subconscious.
But there's an understanding, though, of like these ways to hijack attention.
And that's clearly what this is an attempt at.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
No, it is, it is so much that Douglas Adams, you know, serious cybernetics corpse, the superficial flaws are purposefully put there to distract from the fundamental flaws.
You know, and yeah, in the same way, I believe the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here.
Now he's talking about his cannibal stuff.
Sure.
Make a blood stew, potatoes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's unreal.
dan friesen
I hate to bring up the Real World Road Rules Challenge again.
But I find their version of eating challenges really grotesque compared to things you see on Survivor or whatever.
And part of it is sometimes they don't say what the things are that they're eating.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Which is very upsetting.
jordan holmes
It's a mass.
dan friesen
But then frequently, they'll have them chug like a pint of blood.
And that to me, I mean, I'm the guy who has routinely said that a challenge should be give me a pint of or a bit of your blood.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
I stand by that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But I don't like them drinking out of a giant stein of blood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's gross.
jordan holmes
You know, whiskey has its own glass.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, beer has its own glass.
A martini has its own glass.
Blood does not fit in any of those glasses.
dan friesen
Should they have a novelty syringe or something like that?
Like a giant syringe?
jordan holmes
That you have to drip in.
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
I mean, look, showmanship, TJ.
jordan holmes
That's what you got to do.
dan friesen
So we have this last call clip where Alex goes to calls from his cannibalism rant.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Plane crashes in the Andes, 100 on board.
Half of them down the crash.
First week or so, nobody eats the people.
They're like, this is immoral.
But as soon as their kids start serving that, they go, all right, let's cook them.
And the globalists want to put us in that position.
Let's not do that.
Let's bypass that.
Let's say you're cooking them now.
But you got to do it now.
jordan holmes
Wait, which?
alex jones
Who's up next here?
I'm taking calls over there.
Who's up next?
Jordan, Michigan.
Go ahead.
You're on the air.
Good afternoon, sir.
jordan holmes
How are you?
alex jones
Well, I'm thinking of recipes.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
I think that is about the funniest thing that he's got.
That little offhanded, I'm thinking of recipes that references the thing that he was talking about earlier.
Quick enough.
It is off the cuff.
Yeah, I'll give him that for entry-level joke style.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Indicates the lack of seriousness that any of this involves.
So, yeah, we come to the end of this.
And I mean, I just, you know, you go in, you're looking for this Russell Brand episode.
You accidentally stumble across Alex actually seeming to try in a weird way, throwing a bunch of, as you described, shotgun spaghetti around about this elaborate conspiracy in order to make undocumented immigrants into the police and military.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Just a flood of racism.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddamn.
dan friesen
And then this desperate attention grab attempt.
It's an interesting episode.
You know, like, I don't know if it's because we've been gone and I've been a little bit out of the loop of the workflow, but I find this episode is one of the more interesting ones that I've seen in a long time.
jordan holmes
I tend to agree with you.
I listen to that barrage of racism and I wonder how we've ever even gotten to this point.
You know, like this, this is not something that you wake up one day and you're like, now here's my racist globalist conspiracy that includes just about everybody that's non-white and how much I hate all of them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if I could, I would have gotten to women too.
dan friesen
And you all should be very, very scared.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To then, and to then like knowingly and shamefully, shamefully rehash a bit you did three years ago that you shouldn't remember that clearly.
dan friesen
It was a good bit.
jordan holmes
It was a good bit.
dan friesen
But I think that remembering that clearly is indicative of how much traffic it drove.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah.
But I mean, that's my point whenever I say you shouldn't remember that clearly.
He's bringing it up because it drove so much traffic.
Yes.
And he's very aware of that.
To try and redo it is just sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also, this was right after the news broke that he had lost a bunch of money.
And that doesn't come up.
I don't know.
I just, I don't want this to be like a portent of things to come.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, I don't necessarily want him to do interesting shows every day.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's overwhelming.
Yeah.
But I do appreciate it every now and again.
And it's a nice welcome back.
jordan holmes
I respect your willingness to get excited for a man only putting in a small amount of effort.
dan friesen
Well, when you're six, seven years deep and somebody has put in no effort.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you this.
dan friesen
It's pretty impressive.
jordan holmes
Because I have been feeling like we're on the ninth day of you not having anything to eat.
And I've been looking at you like, smack your lips.
Oh, I'm.
Yeah.
If Alex hadn't have tried at least a little bit, I think I would have been eaten.
dan friesen
Oh.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dangerous.
dan friesen
Well, I will tell you this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If I do eat you, you will be well seasoned.
Okay.
jordan holmes
I don't trust you.
I don't think you're a lot of hot peppers.
I will leave instructions on how best to cook me.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I feel like I could cook me better than you.
dan friesen
Out of respect.
You are a better cook.
jordan holmes
That's my final words.
I can cook me better than you.
dan friesen
You are a better cook.
I will give you that.
Sure.
I feel like cooking a human would be harder than frozen pizza, so I'm fucked.
jordan holmes
Well, I would very quickly stop being the better cook than you in this scenario.
dan friesen
But not if you left really detailed instructions.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
And because we're such good friends and I respect you, I would follow your instructions.
jordan holmes
Ah, yeah.
Well, then that means that I would be able to cook me better than you in perpetuity forever and ever and ever.
That would be a fitting tribute.
dan friesen
And if the tables are turned and you're thinking about eating me, I would just leave a note pinned to my shirt that says, not good eating.
jordan holmes
Nah, I'm too picky.
I'm too picky.
I wouldn't eat a person.
dan friesen
Yeah, me neither.
jordan holmes
I think I would maybe.
dan friesen
I don't think I'd even eat duck.
jordan holmes
I think I might try a person.
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Just to get it out of the way.
dan friesen
See, that's the problem.
If you do, you can't undo something.
jordan holmes
You can't undo eating.
Like, I can't be like, hey, listen, I don't want a whole thing.
I don't want your whole dish.
I just want a taste.
You can't do that with human.
With man flesh.
dan friesen
With man flesh, it's a bridge that cannot be recrossed.
jordan holmes
Yep, you just got it.
dan friesen
And Alex is excited to cross that bridge.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's already eaten somebody.
jordan holmes
I would be surprised if he's already eaten somebody.
dan friesen
He's a multi-millionaire.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't be surprised if he's had a taste.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Dangerous.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
Probably with some live episodes.
jordan holmes
We'll see and more conversations.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But until the next time we see you wave website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
That's me eating man flesh.
unidentified
Chop, chop, Yeah, woo, yeah.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm my first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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