#811: February 24, 2004
Today, Dan and Jordan continue to be stuck in the past as Alex remains out of studio. In this installment, lessons are learned about West Virginia vaccine bills, the government of the Republic of Texas, and pop up ads.
May 29, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
01:23:35
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| It's time to pray. | ||
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I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
|
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a Christian caller. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your world. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
|
unidentified
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
|
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| You go first. | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is... | ||
|
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Tannis! | |
| No. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| My bright spot today... | ||
| Is Summer Games Done Quick? | ||
| Oh, fun. | ||
| Now, it is fun, and I'll tell you something. | ||
| I enjoy it every year. | ||
| You do. | ||
| And I'll tell you something different about this SGDQ. | ||
| All right? | ||
| We gotta wonk. | ||
| We got a wonk running. | ||
| What? | ||
| Sathdresh. | ||
| Sathdresh. | ||
| Sathdresh is running at like 6.30 Eastern on Tuesday morning. | ||
|
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Whoa. | |
| And yeah, everybody go there. | ||
| We'll all watch them. | ||
| What's the game? | ||
| I want to say Maniac Mansion or something. | ||
| It's like a retro. | ||
| He's a retro game player. | ||
| He's helped me a lot. | ||
| He helped me a lot when I was speed running. | ||
| I remember the name from the chat when I've come and sat in with you while you were playing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, yeah, he's running that. | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| It's going to be really cool. | ||
| Isn't Maniac Mansion like one of those old... | ||
| I put it in my brain in the same category as, like, Myst. | ||
| Kind of like old computer game. | ||
| I think it is kind of like that, but, like, retro or, like, almost point and click. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's what I was trying to come up with. | ||
| Point and click. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, the full motion video kind of old time. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It might be 2D, but it's something like that. | ||
|
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Damn. | |
| I mean, it's all, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It seems difficult to do fast, but I wish Sathdresh the best. | ||
| Sathdresh. | ||
| Seth Dresh! | ||
| You can do it! | ||
| Let me ask you this about the summer games done quick. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Doctors Without Borders is the charity this year. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is it a situation, though, that is like the Olympics, where you have the summer and winter, and different games are played at each? | ||
| Is there, like, a restriction of, no, no, no, that's a summer game. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| But they do play different games. | ||
| I don't know if they specifically are like, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| We don't bobsled. | ||
| Super Metroid is for the winter games. | ||
| No, I think that would be more fun. | ||
| If you were going to play a sports game, you could only play the summer or winter version of that. | ||
| Yeah, that should be a rule. | ||
| Yeah, you can't do like... | ||
| Ah, Kelly Slater's pro surfer in the winter games. | ||
| Sure, no, absolutely not. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| No, but during the summer games, you can do Tony Hawk. | ||
| You can't do it during the winter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| During the winter games, you can play the, uh, damn it, what was that one? | ||
| The snowboarding. | ||
| I know, I'm thinking of the exact same thing you are. | ||
| We did the half pipe, you scored a bunch of points. | ||
| I remembered Kelly Slater from the surfing. | ||
| Real proud of you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Who's the red-haired snowboarder? | ||
| The flying tomato? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Sean White? | ||
| Sean White, yes. | ||
| That was him. | ||
| From the time when we were kids. | ||
| Always distracting for me because there was also a comedian named Sean White here in Chicago. | ||
| And I got him and the Flying Tomato confused quite a bit. | ||
| They were very similar. | ||
| Not similar at all. | ||
| They have several inches of difference in height. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyways, what's your bright spot, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot, Jordan, is retaining your humanity through difficult times. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| So you have an existential bright spot. | ||
| Well, Alex is still out of studio. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| There was not a Saturday episode. | ||
| Owen was hosting on Friday, and I'm getting to the point where I'm sincerely worried that something is wrong. | ||
| He's been gone forever. | ||
| There is nothing better than you finally caving to the pressure of, you know what, maybe we'll just buckle down and we'll focus on the present day, only to have the present day kick you in the teeth in response. | ||
| And also, I'm worried. | ||
| Something might have gone wrong. | ||
|
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If only. | |
| Maybe he was camping and he ran into a bobcat. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
| Maybe he ran into a bear out at Barton Springs. | ||
| I will forgive a lot. | ||
| Not all, but a lot if Alex comes back from his vacation with one arm. | ||
| I will forgive a lot. | ||
| Not all. | ||
| I'm thinking, I mean, obviously I'm pretty sure it's a vacation, but there is a little part of me that's still like... | ||
| I think something might have gone wrong. | ||
| Maybe he's actually kind of sick or something. | ||
| What's 127 hours? | ||
| What if he's 127 hours-ing it? | ||
| Well, I mean, the last episode he did was a little piece on Friday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then gone for this entire week. | ||
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Full week. | |
| That's even longer than a lot of the times when he goes down to Cabo. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So it's an extended vacation, if it's a vacation. | ||
| Do you think there's barricades involved? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I could probably solve this mystery by listening to one of the episodes with Owen, where he probably says where Alex is. | ||
| Honestly, that never occurred to me. | ||
| No. | ||
|
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It occurred to me, but I rejected the idea immediately. | |
| Why would I want continuity outside of the show? | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| No, I want none of that. | ||
| Yeah, neither do I. I don't want to listen to Owen. | ||
| Although he has been going around yelling about Target, so that's fun. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, what? | ||
| They're mad. | ||
| Who's mad? | ||
| People are mad at Target now? | ||
| Because they had Pride memorabilia and goods and what have you. | ||
| It's attacking the children. | ||
| Here's what I say. | ||
| Let them have it. | ||
| Conservatives can be mad at all the brands they want. | ||
| Let them have it. | ||
| I don't want anything to do with it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We've just got to look at it for what it is. | ||
| It's a tantrum. | ||
| They're throwing tantrums. | ||
| I don't care if you're mad at a corporation. | ||
| That's how we all live all the time. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like it's maybe best not to play into it with them. | ||
| You know, just sort of like, oh, you're mad at Bud Light now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, it seems like you were less mad with Exxon when oil spilled throughout the entire fucking ocean. | ||
| Yeah, well, they didn't have some kind of LGBTQ support. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The rainbow oil wasn't made yet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The right-wing folks were not. | ||
| Attaching their grievances to this. | ||
| That's what we need to do. | ||
| We need... | ||
| To cause a massive environmental collapse based on an oil spill. | ||
| But we rainbow, we make the oil rainbow color. | ||
| I think if you look at the surface at the right angle where the light is refractive. | ||
|
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You're right. | |
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That's what will bring us all together, finally. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| So, yeah, we're in the past. | ||
| Today we're talking about February 24th, 2004. | ||
| We're continuing our march through. | ||
| Valentine's Month 2004. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| This episode's got some interesting bullshit. | ||
| Just mostly stories that aren't true. | ||
| Okay, I like a good story time. | ||
| Yeah, and then I spent a little bit too much time learning about the executive branch of the government of the Republic of Texas. | ||
| I'm sorry, wait, wait. | ||
| The one before the... | ||
| Before it became a state. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just to be clear... | ||
| Right before it became a state. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The one before and not the one after our times coming up shortly. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's still a lot of people who are in the running for those seats. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's take a little moment, Jordan, to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Chris, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| Big thank you to Annie DZX Clark for introducing him to the show. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
|
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next! | ||
| Dan, it's Hank. | ||
| Text me back. | ||
| I texted you after you were on Behind the Bastards. | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| Change your number? | ||
| Text me back. | ||
| I miss your friendship and I need a defamation attorney. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| Now, before I hit this sound effect, I want to say this very clearly. | ||
| I did change my phone number. | ||
| I miss you too, Hank. | ||
| Here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| Maybe you haven't changed your number, so I will try to text the number that I still have of yours. | ||
| I mean, I've got to be able to find an email address. | ||
| You should. | ||
| So that'll be simple. | ||
| I'll reach out to you and figure it out. | ||
| I'll miss you too, Hank. | ||
| I hope you don't need a defamation lawyer because I've dropped the ball on our friendship. | ||
| Otherwise, I have a couple of good recommendations. | ||
| I know a couple guys. | ||
| Yeah, we do. | ||
| But you're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, let's get down to business. | ||
| First announce the wonks. | ||
| Did you send me Celine's when I asked for nonks? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Oh, that's a rhyme. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that's Mulan. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Let's get down to business. | ||
| Keep going, keep going. | ||
| I can't read it. | ||
| I don't know Mulan's soundtrack. | ||
| Oh, I mean, well, I mean, do you want me to just sing the regular song? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, Christopher. | ||
| I didn't do this. | ||
| I'm not worried about it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we've got a couple of technocrats in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So first... | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| And Higgily. | ||
| Higgily. | ||
| H-Y-G-G-Y-L-D-Y. | ||
| Higgily. | ||
| Higgily. | ||
| Like Higgily Piggily, right? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's too many G's and Y's. | ||
| Sounds right to me. | ||
| Either way, you're now a technocrat. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
|
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
|
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| Now, Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We start our adventure here on the 24th, and Alex, one thing, I think I've mentioned this before, I do appreciate in the past that he will often announce his guests at the top of the show, whereas now it's kind of, you know, catch as catch can. | ||
| But I can turn on the show and I'm like, oh, this person's coming up. | ||
| And then sometimes I hear a name and I'm like, I have no fucking idea who this person is. | ||
| Today is the ladder, the ladder type. | ||
| All right, folks, it's Tuesday. | ||
| 24th of February, 2004. | ||
| And I'm Alex Jones, your host. | ||
| We'll be live for the next three hours. | ||
| We've got Angel Shamaya from KeepandBearArms.com coming on the next hour. | ||
| One of their writers is also a writer for Guns and Ammo and other major publications. | ||
| Wrote a letter to the San Francisco Police Department saying, you know, you guys aren't enforcing the law with these gay marriages. | ||
| Excuse me? | ||
| I mean, what would you do if gun owners didn't follow the law? | ||
| Would you not enforce your unconstitutional gun laws? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I mean, real simple what he said. | ||
| I've got his letters, so he got police calls and police visits and it's all part of the secret police atmosphere, so that's coming up. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Okay, so this guy wrote letters to the Texas government. | ||
| No, the San Francisco government. | ||
| San Francisco government saying like, hey, why are you letting gay people get married? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I didn't follow the law, you'd be mad at me, right? | ||
| That's a compelling argument. | ||
| Yeah, you're giving permits or whatever for same-sex couples to get married, and what if I did weird shit with my guns? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's not a... | ||
| You've got to be a little more specific about what you want to do with those guns. | ||
| That's illegal. | ||
| I feel like you don't understand what the end... | ||
| Like, okay, when I do something illegal with a gun, at the end of that is something way more illegal. | ||
| How would you like it if I turned over a liquor store? | ||
| Yeah, see, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| See, at the end... | ||
| At the end of that, the gun is just an amplification. | ||
| At the end of the marriage thing, they're just gone. | ||
| They just go away. | ||
| You never think about them again. | ||
| A marriage is not a weapon. | ||
| No. | ||
| So one thing you'll notice in that clip is that there's this far greater emphasis on opposition to marriage equality at this point in time, because that was the battle the conservatives were trying to fight. | ||
| Most of society was making progress on that front, and the forces that seek to oppose the tide of equality and regress back to more restrictive times, they just couldn't handle that. | ||
| It's a very similar impetus that we see in terms of the right wing's obsessive and grotesque behavior surrounding trans people today, and I would guess that if present-day Alex were back on air in 2004, he'd be yelling about gay marriage being all about satanic pedophilia or whatever. | ||
| Also in this clip, we get to be introduced to a new name, Angel Shamaya. | ||
| This isn't someone who's come up on our radar before, so I'm going to give you a little bit of a rundown on this person. | ||
| Shamaya ran a popular gun rights website called Keep and Bear Arms, which he would eventually go on to sell to some conservative lobbying groups. | ||
| Prior to that, though, he was a fairly big figure in the scene for folks like Alex. | ||
| His site would have gun news that catered to the worldview of gun absolutists. | ||
| It had like an aggregator kind of news headlines about gun stuff. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| In 2006, Angel was arrested, and if you only consulted the Gun Absolutist blogs and message boards, well, you'd come away with the impression that he'd been completely screwed. | ||
| The police just showed up at his house one day for no reason and found a couple handguns that he hadn't properly registered and decided to jam him up. | ||
| What's the big deal? | ||
| Your tone of voice is suggesting that perhaps there's more to the story. | ||
| Nah, man, the police state's out of control. | ||
| Well, then I guess I have nothing else to go on, so you must be correct. | ||
| In reality, Shamaya, birth name Scott Craig McReynolds, got a visit from the police because his ex-girlfriend had called them after he threatened to kill her. | ||
| When the police arrived at his home, they found 10 long guns, 15 unregistered handguns, and over 17,000 rounds of ammo. | ||
| Naturally, the gun weirdo community minimized his ridiculous cache of weapons and pretended that he hadn't made domestic violence threats so they could keep propping him up as a hero and raise money for his legal fees. | ||
| After all, it's important to understand that if someone who happens to be a gun weirdo gets in trouble for threatening to kill his ex-girlfriend, next thing you know, the Second Amendment is gone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You gotta understand this. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's almost like when you connect your need for a gun with your regular treatment of women. | ||
| Then one of them serves the other. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Oh, no? | ||
| Oh, I was just making a noise. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Sort of a hmm, hmm, hmm. | ||
| You know, I hear... | ||
| Okay, we can talk about... | ||
| And listen, let's get off the topic of guns, right? | ||
| With that politically charged, all of that stuff. | ||
| This guy's a hoarder. | ||
| He's got... | ||
| That's too much ammunition. | ||
| That's too much. | ||
| You don't need that much to do anything. | ||
| I think, look, I'm not the best expert on this, but I think that having a large amount of rounds of ammunition isn't that weird if you're someone who shoots recreationally fairly often. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't think you need 25 guns, and I think 17,000 rounds is more than that threshold. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| Of recreational... | ||
| Shooting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a cash. | ||
| It's hoarding and it's the sign of depression. | ||
| And I feel like that's something that people are not talking about. | ||
| If you've got a lot of guns, go see a therapist. | ||
| Go see a psychiatrist. | ||
| You've got too many bullets. | ||
| It's a lot of bullets. | ||
|
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Yeah, spend the money on talking to somebody. | |
| So this may not be the most extreme example we've encountered, but it's pretty clear that if you pay attention, that almost all of these people who are in Alex's orbit, they're abusive monsters. | ||
| This isn't a coincidence. | ||
| These people are almost always abusive monsters because their political ideology is organized around using power to abuse people. | ||
| And so that's why you kind of see these trends almost universally. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you say to yourself, are they taking work home or are they taking home to work? | ||
|
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Huh? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, Angel Shamaya is... | ||
| Why the name? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I try not to mock too much about people changing their name, because, like, maybe you want to change your name. | ||
| Oh, no, I thought it was like a reference to something, or he was like, it was a nom de gore, if you will, you know? | ||
| It seems just kind of like a hippie-ish, new-age-y kind of vibe, you know? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fun! | ||
| I mean, it's got a nice ring to it. | ||
| You know, Shamaya, I like that. | ||
| I think a fair amount of folks who lean sort of sovereign citizen-y kind of go with... | ||
| Oh, they change that. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| But, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's not my business. | ||
| I nod sagely. | ||
| Of course people who believe that if your name is in capital letters, the government owns you, or at least a facsimile of yourself, would change their name, I say. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course to that, Dan. | ||
| So yeah, Angel Shamaya is barely on this episode. | ||
| He has a bit of a cold or something, and so their interview is cut short and there's really nothing going on with it, so we're not actually even going to hear any of it. | ||
| But Alex has a number of headlines on this episode that are all trash. | ||
| They are just not real. | ||
| Here in Austin, Texas, we have had Texas Independence Day marches, rallies for over 100 years, and it's a family event. | ||
| The city of Austin doesn't want to be a part of that. | ||
| It won't allow a parade. | ||
| They won't provide security so you can't have a parade. | ||
| The city of Austin sponsors Cinco de Mayo. | ||
| Mexican independence in Austin, Texas. | ||
| Over 10 years ago, I guess about 12 years ago, University of Texas banned Texas Independence Day from the school sponsoring it or any department sponsoring it, but they do sponsor Cinco de Mayo and Quonset and everything else. | ||
| And so I have the Associated Press article here, Texas Independence Parade canceled because of cost. | ||
| That is, they say you can't have a parade because we don't want to pay for it. | ||
| The city can't spare the police. | ||
| But they can for tens of thousands of screaming people waving Mexican flags on Cinco de Mayo. | ||
| The city of Austin cancels Texas Independence Day parade, but sponsors Cinco de Mayo and everything else as long as it's not Texan. | ||
| The University of Texas canceled Texas Independence Day over 10 years ago, but banned any university department from supporting it. | ||
| Now the city of Austin is saying they can't allow the parade because they can't supply police for it, but every year for Cinco de Mayo, Austin, downtown is shut down as thousands of screaming people violently wave Mexican flags. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I mean, you know, I was thinking just that. | ||
| I was thinking, you know, you let a university ban Texas Independence Day. | ||
| The next thing you know. | ||
| Ten years later, you can't have a parade in one small city in the corner of Texas. | ||
| Austin's not a small city. | ||
| No, I don't mean small city, but relatively speaking to the entire size of Texas? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Texas is a big old... | ||
| It's a big old place. | ||
| Big old state. | ||
| You declared independence for all of it, maybe you don't get that tiny little dot. | ||
| So as we learned in one of our live episodes where we were celebrating Texas Independence Day... | ||
| Indeed we did. | ||
| Most of the stuff Alex says about the holiday and how it's banned from being celebrated is complete bullshit. | ||
| He's just using this as a prop that he's wielding to beat the audience over the head with the impression that white people are being repressed. | ||
| Meanwhile, all non-white people are given free Whatever they want. | ||
| You can just hear that dripping out of his rhetoric as he describes Cinco de Mayo parades as violent flag waving. | ||
| Like, it's ridiculous. | ||
| Screaming people. | ||
| Just non-stop. | ||
| Oh, they just let all these screaming people... | ||
| Violently wave flags. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| What? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Once again, Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about here, but he's close to a general point. | ||
| In 2002, the City Council of Austin passed Resolution 20021003-040, part of which had to do with which events were granted an automatic waiver of fees. | ||
| Most of these events are ones that are co-sponsored with the city, and there's five of them in number. | ||
| There's Fiesta de Independencia, which is not Cinco de Mayo, the Veterans Day Parade, the Juneteenth Parade, which is not Kwanzaa, Adiós. | ||
| Martin Luther King Day Parade, and a commemorative event for September 11th. | ||
| Those are the five that the 2002 resolution granted automatic waivers to. | ||
| Outside of these events, which are specifically co-sponsored by the city and thus have their fees waived, you can apply to have those fees that you would accrue waived as well. | ||
| It requires the support of three council members, and the council needs to, quote, find that the program or project serves a public purpose. | ||
| In theory, all of the other events that make Alex so mad are ones that went through those proper channels and applied for fee waivers, or may have actually accepted the burden of paying those fees themselves. | ||
| The Texas Independence Day Parade in Austin is run by a non-profit called Celebrate Texas, and in the previous year, they'd paid all the fees themselves, which totaled approximately $5,000. | ||
| This year, the fees they would need to offset were $11,800, which they said they couldn't afford. | ||
| The city wasn't keen to co-sponsor the parade since there had been a ton of requests for fee waivers, and they couldn't afford to just rubber stamp all of them. | ||
| One thing that I think it's important to recognize is that this isn't a super long-standing tradition. | ||
| Celebrate Texas only started doing their parades in 2000, and even without the parade, they still held a large celebration at the Capitol, and fun was had by all. | ||
| Very family event. | ||
| Also, they were able to make a huge stink out of not getting their fees waived, and they were able to use the political clout that they had to get future sponsorship of their parade into an emergency agenda for the city council. | ||
| On January 29, 2004, which was prior to the episode of Alex's show we're listening to now by about a month, the motion to authorize the waiver for Celebrate Texas's parade and their fun run was approved. | ||
| Ah, a month in the past. | ||
| I just... | ||
| You know, it is like, that's what we gotta do. | ||
| If you want to do anything in this dumb country, you have to go way the fuck overboard on any small problem to get what you want. | ||
| You can't ever be like, well, we'll change this soon. | ||
| You have to be like, ah, they're gonna make us win! | ||
| We're shoes to work! | ||
| Like, you have to just scream your balls off. | ||
| I don't know if that works on the other side. | ||
| Yeah, well, it doesn't seem to. | ||
| I don't think that, you know, I mean, I don't think that... | ||
| I'm not saying that, you know, climate change activism has been, you know, melodramatic or, you know, over the top in a way that is inappropriate. | ||
| But there have been, you know, people who have been screaming about... | ||
| You know, the dangers and the need to, you know, make changes and stuff, and it doesn't seem to do anything. | ||
| Doesn't seem to do much. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| So I don't think this strategy works in the reverse, unfortunately. | ||
| But I understand what you're saying, because it... | ||
| They get what they want all the time. | ||
| The tantrums work for the right wing, apparently. | ||
| I mean, that's what happens when you have a lot of guns, too. | ||
| Your tantrums are a lot more violent. | ||
| Yeah, there's a... | ||
| There's a double-edged sword, yeah. | ||
| So because they claim that they didn't have time to make the 2004... | ||
| And then on February 26th, a couple days after this episode that we're listening to now, the City Council passed a resolution adding the Celebrate Texas parade and run to the list of city co-sponsored events, assuring that they would get an automatic waiver for the city fees every year from... | ||
| It's the type of shit that you see in elementary school and everybody goes, why are you giving everything that fucking crying kid, why are you giving everything they want to him? | ||
| That's absurd! | ||
| You're rewarding negative behavior! | ||
| A squeaky wheel gets the grease! | ||
| I mean, yes! | ||
| It's obvious! | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So ultimately, this is a case where a non-profit was used to paying the fees themselves, and then they couldn't afford the increased cost. | ||
| They weren't one of the events that the city co-sponsored, so they weren't entitled to a waiver, and because of shoddy planning, their year's parade was canceled. | ||
| In response to public backlash from folks who definitely aren't mad about holidays celebrated, Celebrated predominantly by non-white people, they were able to almost immediately get reimbursed for fees paid and get their event added to a short list of city co-sponsored events. | ||
| It all worked out exactly how Alex would have wanted, except that there wasn't a parade this year, which is really no one's fault but the organizers, so he shouldn't really be complaining about... | ||
| If he wants to complain about anybody, he should be complaining about Celebrate Texas. | ||
| I'm amazed at how furious... | ||
| Also, it's important to point out that Alex says that the city of Austin co-sponsors the Cinco de Mayo parade in the city, which is not true. | ||
| There's a non-profit called the Cinco de Mayo Committee that sponsors that event. | ||
| Alex is making this up either out of thin air or because he thinks that Fiesta de Independencia, which is in September, Yep. | ||
| like violently waving flags. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He's just finding Finding headlines in disreputable outlets and then making up stories about them. | |
| Yeah, anytime anybody on Infowars brings up flags and what other people do to or with them, I am always reminded of a burning Black Lives Matter flag. | ||
| So they can go fuck themselves. | ||
| There was, I think, an episode that we found where Alex was supportive of people being allowed to burn flags. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, American flags. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| I have a vague memory of that happening and me being like, all right, Alex. | ||
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| Yeah, fair. | ||
| And then being like, I don't like it, but you have the right to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| That's kind of the idea. | ||
| So yeah, this is one of his varsity narratives throughout the episode. | ||
| And then there's another big one. | ||
| Another big one coming out of West Virginia, my man. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Again, your calls are coming up. | ||
| I'll get to you here in a few minutes. | ||
| I've got to talk about this. | ||
| West Virginia. | ||
| They're about to pass a law that you've got to take whatever vaccine the government says. | ||
| Right now, 35 vaccines are mandatory. | ||
| Doesn't matter how much mercury is in them. | ||
| So it's already mandatory. | ||
| We'll put in your body whatever we want, whenever we want. | ||
| Bill forces shots on all children. | ||
| We're on that daily on Infowars.com. | ||
| Homeschoolers fight state legislation that criminalizes parents who object. | ||
| West Virginia homeschooler families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today. | ||
| The protest of the proposed bill that would require every child in the state to have a record of compulsory immunizations. | ||
| Compulsory. | ||
| No one has done this but the District of Columbia with one shot. | ||
| And this is the government. | ||
| And they're coming out with new ones they want to make mandatory every year. | ||
| This is the government being able to put in your body whatever they want. | ||
| Do not take me home, Mountain Mama. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| West Virginia. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
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What's wrong? | |
| I'll take you home. | ||
| I am. | ||
| I am home. | ||
| You gotta go home. | ||
| This bill that Alex is covering is Senate Bill 439 from West Virginia in 2004, which wasn't a new act itself. | ||
| It was just an amending of an existing statute. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some of the amendments that were made were things like updating terms and changing who was responsible for what. | ||
| For instance, the original language said that the state director of health was required to give new parents information about vaccination. | ||
| And this changed that to the duty of a state health officer. | ||
| That seems pretty mundane in terms of updates, but there's just a language that changes. | ||
| Yeah, that's what bureaucrats are for, so I don't have to go like, oh no, let's change it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One thing that's notable, if you look at the specific revisions that the bill was seeking to make, none of it made anything involving vaccine refusal any more or less illegal. | ||
| Mostly, the illegality comes down to people who falsify immunization records, which is already illegal. | ||
| in the original act. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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This just changes the fine from, quote, not less than $10 and no more than $50 to, quote, not less than $100 and not more than $500. | |
| The original bill was from 1931 I just can't. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
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| Fine. | ||
| I'm used to that response. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| The other thing that this bill would do is add mumps, hepatitis B, and chickenpox to the vaccines that were required to enter public school. | ||
| That's because these vaccines for these illnesses didn't exist when the first bill was originally passed. | ||
| Again. | ||
| Very old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The hepatitis B vaccine wasn't around until the late 60s, reliable mumps vaccination didn't come around until the early 60s, and the chickenpox vaccine wasn't approved for U.S. use until 1995. | ||
| This bill is really all just updates, and it doesn't even relate to homeschooled children at all, as this coverage is trying to make it... | ||
| West Virginia was just saying that these vaccines were required to go to public school, and if you tried to create fraudulent proof of vaccination, you'd be fined, which was already the case. | ||
| So this bill ended up passing the Senate, but it died in the House Health and Human Resources Committee, and so it wasn't ever actually enacted. | ||
| But consider the headline of the article that Alex is reading about this from WorldNetDaily. | ||
| Quote, Bill forces shots on all children. | ||
| That is not accurate. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The article says this, quote, That's complete bullshit and a bald-faced lie. | ||
| That part of the article, it uses these words from the bill. | ||
| Quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized. | ||
| That's the part that's from the bill. | ||
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| But in the bill itself, it says this. | ||
| Quote, any parent or guardian who refuses to permit his or her child to be immunized and is not exempted from immunization. | ||
| From there, it goes on to say that it'd be a Mr. Miner and you'd get a fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But all of that language is... | ||
| Actually, from the original act from 1931, not from this new amendment. | ||
| But it's still, they cut out the part where it's like, and you're not exempted. | ||
| Oh, did they cut that part out? | ||
| Or did they just read what they wanted to and stop at the very word that they needed? | ||
| No, I think it implies very conscious removal of this thing, because your argument is weaker without it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So now, it is true that West Virginia only allows medical... | ||
| I mean, it's like... | ||
| It's just cheating. | ||
| It's cheating. | ||
| It's a bullshit argument. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Whatever you think about vaccines, fine. | ||
| It's a public safety. | ||
| If you want to go to public, then you get the vaccines. | ||
| The end. | ||
| If you don't want to get the vaccines, then you don't get to go to public. | ||
| I feel like it's very simple. | ||
| It's a contract that you and I are making all the time every day. | ||
| You don't get to whine about it. | ||
| Well, I mean, I guess you can whine about it, but you can't be disingenuous like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to operate on good faith. | ||
| Yeah, you can be like, I wish I could go to public if I got these vaccinations. | ||
| Explain it to me. | ||
| And then if you were capable of learning, then you would learn, and then you'd be vaccinated. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| Well, I think the issue is that you have an argument being made that I should not... | ||
| I have to do this to go to this public school. | ||
| And people's response is just like, nope. | ||
| And then there's nowhere else to go. | ||
| And so you create a lot of elaborate masks that you put on arguments and stuff. | ||
| So it's important to understand what the objective and action being taken here is. | ||
| The guy who wrote this article at World Night Daily doesn't care about this bill. | ||
| Alex doesn't care about this bill. | ||
| And the homeschool organizations protesting this bill don't care about it either. | ||
| They aren't homeschool organizations. | ||
| They're anti-vax groups. | ||
| And they don't like that West Virginia has vaccine requirements for public schools. | ||
| They know full well that this bill is nothing more than a slight updating of some terms and has nothing to do with homeschooled children being forcefully vaccinated. | ||
| But pretending that that is the case is the only way to use this as an opportunity to push the anti-vax agenda. | ||
| This World Night Daily article starts, quote, West Virginia homeschooling families and others were scheduled to stage two rallies today to protest a bill. | ||
| But a little bit later, you find out that the rallies were organized by a group called West Virginians for Vaccine Exemption. | ||
| The other group that's behind the rallies is a group called Human Life International, a Catholic anti-abortion organization. | ||
| Seems weird. | ||
| This is the little sleight of hand that's going on here. | ||
| The bill itself doesn't make choosing not to be vaccinated any more or less difficult. | ||
| West Virginia required proof of vaccination to go to public school before this, and this bill wouldn't change that. | ||
| It's a non-issue for homeschoolers, but if it's presented as if it is, there's a better chance of using it to inflame people. | ||
| If you present this as like an anti-vax issue, or if you're up front that... | ||
| Weirdly, it's an anti-abortion group that's spearheading this outrage. | ||
| Yeah, that would make people weird. | ||
| You make it kind of easy for people to write you off immediately. | ||
| If you hide your real cards behind the image of homeschoolers, you give cover to what you really are up to, and you create an argument that... | ||
| You're not actually making what people think you're making, and so they engage with the wrong point, and you can kind of get people on their back foot. | ||
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| Well, that's why they called it Americans for Prosperity and not Oligarchs for Making Us Way More Richer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a better name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You see this a bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, it was weird to look at this and see, like... | ||
| Nothing is happening here, and they're very mad about nothing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because the strategic use of that outrage. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm sorry, I cut you off. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's just so much like, God, not today. | ||
| Not on this. | ||
| Not for this reason. | ||
| Just pick something else, assholes. | ||
| Why do we have to argue about this? | ||
| This is just fine. | ||
| Let it go! | ||
| Just let it go. | ||
| But then you just lie about it and you get money from people. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you don't allow updating of the... | ||
| Yeah, just, oh, five dollars! | ||
| The language. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| So Alex goes a little bit more into this article on WorldNetDaily. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he's got some takes. | ||
| They're hot. | ||
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| Hot takes. | ||
| And then in West Virginia, this is a big, big deal. | ||
| And then we'll start going to Steve and Wes and Dylan and Clayton and Leslie and everybody else that's patiently holding. | ||
| Get to Clayton. | ||
| Bill forces shots on all children. | ||
| And it's a long article. | ||
| And the bill says, unlike 48 other states, West Virginia currently does not have a provision for religious or philosophical exemption. | ||
| However, families can assert they have sufficient medical reason for not immunizing a child, which works, in effect, like an exemption. | ||
| The new bill would do away with that right. | ||
| And they've got passages here from the bill. | ||
| You will be arrested. | ||
| CPS will take your children if you don't take all 35 of the mandated shots. | ||
| And every year they're adding new injections. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So there's two types of lies that are happening here. | ||
| The first is the sort that are actually in the World Net Daily article, which Alex is reading and passing along to the audience. | ||
| The idea that this bill somehow eliminated parents' ability to plead medical exemptions is completely false. | ||
| There was previous language that allowed students to enroll in public school if they had a, quote, certificate from a reputable physician showing that immunization for any or all is impossible or improper or sufficient reason why. | ||
| any or all immunizations should not be done. | ||
| In the updated version, that language is stricken because it's redundant to the part where it says that children have to be immunized or be, quote, exempted from immunization. | ||
| It was unnecessary language, and if it weren't stricken out, don't pretend that Alex wouldn't do an hour on what the state would consider a reputable physician. | ||
| That's code for a globalist vaccine, doctor! | ||
| The only people they would call reputable. | ||
| You'd never get an exemption from those awful... | ||
| A reputable doctor. | ||
| Anybody who gives you an exemption is automatically not reputable. | ||
| So the second type of lie is the one where Alex is just legitimately making things up. | ||
| There's nothing in this bill about anybody getting arrested or CPS taking anybody's children. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| The only punishment that's ever mentioned is that fine, which existed before this bill but was being updated to meet inflation. | ||
| Further, there are not 35 mandatory shots. | ||
| There are 9. Diphtheria, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, chickenpox, tetanus, and whooping cough. | ||
| Prior to this bill, there were 6. Again, because it was written in 1931. | ||
| And I believe that it's actually even less actual shots, because you get, like, measles, mumps, and rubella together, right? | ||
| I mean, like, it's not nine, but even if it were, it's not 35. Nope, nope. | ||
| So anyway, Alex is just making stuff up. | ||
| Here's what I feel like should be a very simple argument, and it seems self-evident, but if your argument is that vaccines are killing people, and we have had mandatory vaccines on the books for longer than all of us have been alive for, Wouldn't that mean that we're fine? | ||
| No, because that's secretly killing everybody. | ||
| But we're... | ||
| It feels like vaccines are killing everybody if you constantly just skim headlines from disreputable anti-vax news aggregators. | ||
| Right, but I mean, can't you still be like, there's a lot more people than there were a hundred years ago? | ||
| It would be very odd. | ||
| I have no proof of that. | ||
| People just tell me there are more people. | ||
| I haven't counted. | ||
| I would appreciate that. | ||
| If that was your answer, I'd be like, well, good point. | ||
| Either you start or I start, but let's get going. | ||
| All of your rebuttals can be dealt with through solipsism. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| No one else exists but you. | ||
| So Alex talks a little more about what should be done here about West Virginia. | ||
| Folks, we're in so much trouble. | ||
| I mean, this country, wherever you live, you better call. | ||
| The legislature in West Virginia. | ||
| And it's Senate Bill 439. | ||
| And it's scheduled to pass in the next few days. | ||
| It's got a bunch of co-sponsors and looks like it's going to do it. | ||
| And by the way, I have about 100 articles all this horrible today. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| All that horrible. | ||
| All this horrible today. | ||
| Alex has no idea if there are any co-sponsors of this bill. | ||
| He has no idea what the status is in the legislature. | ||
| He can't even be bothered to accurately convey the fraudulent information in this WorldNet Daily article. | ||
| He's just making all this up because it fits his anti-vax extremism and helps perpetuate the feeling in the audience that they're under attack because they don't want to take vaccines or be homeschoolers. | ||
| Also, it seems super inappropriate for Alex to be telling his audience to call the West Virginia legislature and harass them from out of state. | ||
| No matter where you are. | ||
| Doesn't he believe in states' rights and states' business? | ||
| Why should somebody in Texas or any other state have the ability to petition the West Virginia legislature about issues that don't involve them at all? | ||
| It gets really weird. | ||
| It makes sense to have feelings about a state's bills and laws, but unless you really feel like the country is one full community as opposed to 50 completely sovereign states, it doesn't make any sense to think you have any right to get involved. | ||
| I mean, by virtue of involving yourself... | ||
| You're essentially saying, I am so concerned about a slippery slope of you, one state, mandating these vaccines and having it turn into a wildfire of mandated vaccines everywhere that I am willing to berate you into stopping. | ||
| Well... | ||
| That's why you're calling. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whatever you have to say past that point is... | ||
| I guess, but I'm looking at it more from the angle of like... | ||
| Why you are a citizen of the sovereign state of Texas, sir. | ||
| You don't have any right to get involved and meddle in the politics of the sovereign state of West Virginia. | ||
| The winds of change blow west, my friend, and I refuse to let them come here. | ||
| Now, personally, I believe that... | ||
| The country is a country. | ||
| Why? | ||
| For what reason? | ||
| Now, granted, I don't know if I would call and harass other states' legislatures, but it makes more sense for someone with the political set that you or I have to be interested in various laws in other states and be concerned about the implications of them. | ||
| But for Alex, it doesn't. | ||
| He really should not... | ||
| No, it would be like Portugal being concerned about what's going on in... | ||
| I got nothing. | ||
| I was going to name another place in Europe, but why? | ||
| Bailed on a country. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What would be the point? | ||
| Spain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, they're very close. | ||
| Speaking of Spain... | ||
| What about it? | ||
| We get to talking about a little country that Spain used to own, and that is... | ||
| Mexico? | ||
| Texas. | ||
| So yeah, Alex gets back to talking about Texas independence. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Folks, I live in Texas. | ||
| My family was involved in the war for independence against a brutal dictator called Santa Ana, who was later overthrown by the Mexican people. | ||
| Over a third of those that fought against Santa Ana for Texas independence were Hispanic. | ||
| It was a Tohono gentleman who wrote the Texas Constitution and was the second in command of its new government. | ||
| But they try to make it this racial issue, and they've done a great job, and it's the big white bankers. | ||
| It's the government that's doing this to get us all of each other's throats. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, you are! | ||
| You're the only person doing this. | ||
| The only one. | ||
| So here's a little history lesson. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Texas declared independence in 1836 after a brief revolution that, it is fair to say, was fought by a coalition of white colonists from the United States and Tejanos. | ||
| The term Tejano just means Hispanic people who live in Texas prior to Texas becoming a state, and then the term is used to describe people who are descended from such families. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| A whole lot of the Constitution of the Republic of Texas Texas is just taken from the U.S. Constitution and its primary author was a man named George Campbell Childress who was from Tennessee and was very much not somebody who would qualify as Tejano. | ||
| He went to Mexican territory, then returned to Tennessee to recruit people to fight for Texas independence. | ||
| When he returned, he wrote the Constitution, and then he failed repeatedly to open law offices in Texas. | ||
| Five years after writing the Texas Constitution, he took his own life by slashing his abdomen with a Bowie knife. | ||
| So that's a tragic end to Childress, the author of the Texas independence constitution. | ||
| What a story. | ||
| In earnest, the Republic of Texas only existed for a handful of years. | ||
| It was less than ten years between the Declaration of Independence for Mexico and the absorption into the United States, so it's not like there was a really rich history here. | ||
| In all likelihood, they never really would have even declared independence if the United States had supported the revolution in the first place, and the alliance of U.S. colonists and the part of the Tejano population that supported them would have been happy to just become a state in 1835. | ||
| There were four presidents of Texas, with Sam Houston serving two non-consecutive terms, and they were all white dudes. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| There were five vice presidents of Texas, four of whom were white dudes. | ||
| Every vice president who served an actual term in office was a white dude from the United States. | ||
| The interim vice president, when they declared independence, however, was a Tejano man named Lorenzo de Zavala. | ||
| Zavala was involved with the passing of the Constitution, but he didn't write it. | ||
| This is who Alex is almost certainly talking about. | ||
| Yeah, it would have to be. | ||
| He was also only vice president for a few months before he was replaced by the son of a plantation owner from Georgia named Mirabu Lamar, whose biggest claim to fame was how aggressively he tried to rid Texas of Native Americans. | ||
| He took particular aim at the Cherokee people, who he used as a scapegoat in his campaign to ethnically cleanse Texas. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like Tejano man being replaced by the son of a plantation owner is about as America as, like, that's... | ||
| And it's very indicative of the Republic of Texas politics. | ||
| It is almost comically on the nose. | ||
| So this guy, Lamar, who is trying to rid Texas of native peoples. | ||
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| A plantation for a majority? | ||
| Yeah, he was vice president from 1836 to 1838, at which point he was elected president of the Republic of Texas. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Incidentally, Alex's old studio was on South Lamar Street in Austin, the city that Mirabeau Lamar made the capital of Texas in 1839. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's a fun little coincidence. | ||
| That is. | ||
| I'm not a Santa Ana apologist or anything, but Alex's version of this history is complete bullshit. | ||
| The movement for Texan independence did involve some Tejano individuals, but it was predominantly a project undertaken by white colonial settlers from the United States who wanted to claim the territory for themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| From the president, to the vice president, to the secretaries in various departments, to the postmaster's general. | ||
| Every member of the second elected government of the Republic of Texas was a white dude from the United States. | ||
| There may have been some lesser positions that I can't find record of, but I was unable to find a single person who was in an executive position or in a leadership position in the Congress or in the courts that was not a white man from the United States. | ||
| It is fair to say that Lorenzo... | ||
| Lorenzo de Zavala was the interim vice president, and it is possible that he would have had a larger role in the government moving forward if he hadn't died of pneumonia later in 1836, but those are what-if questions. | ||
| And the fact of the universal white American man government of the Republic of Texas that it actually had, I think it speaks volumes. | ||
| Also, I'm about 100% sure, give or take, probably about 100%, give or take zero, so I'm 100% sure. | ||
| 100% sure? | ||
| That Alex doesn't know Zavala's name. | ||
| No. | ||
| Also, he probably shouldn't like Zavala since one of the things he's most remembered for is being one of the most prominent Masons in Mexico. | ||
| Sure, because why not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not throw that one in there? | ||
| Just for a little twist. | ||
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| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I read a bit of Texas's Constitution, too, and Alex should be mad. | ||
| He should be mad at it. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Well, because the right to bear arms is the 14th right that's delineated in their Constitution. | ||
| Oh, that means there's 13 other ones more important? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| There's 12 more. | ||
| You know, it's 12 spots lower than in the US, man. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's interesting, though, because in their constitution, their list of rights... | ||
| They have the right to bear arms as the 14th right, and the establishment of a well-regulated militia as the 15th. | ||
| So it's actually separated in the Texan Constitution, which might have something to do with the way Alex views things. | ||
| But they do have to house and feed soldiers, right? | ||
| They don't have that amendment. | ||
| I think it might. | ||
| I'm pretty sure they do. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| They had a bunch of them. | ||
| I'm just saying, I would have some soldiers there if I could. | ||
| That's what I would do. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Texas independence was wild. | ||
| The Republic of Texas was a mess. | ||
| I mean, the idea of like, oh, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It was definitely an independence movement. | ||
| Totally homegrown, fully. | ||
| Like, that's ridiculous. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Very much so. | ||
| Then that's not to say that some people who were there weren't in support. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And maybe even opposed to Santa Ana and Mexico. | ||
| That is entirely fair, but to pretend that it was not a thing that was spearheaded and... | ||
| Controlled by and run almost exclusively by white settlers from the United States is ridiculous. | ||
| Well, I mean, you go anywhere and you start a revolution and whoever's there, there's plenty of people who don't like that government, whatever government it is. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You know, you can always get people for a revolution. | ||
| The government sucks. | ||
| And Lorenzo de Zavala was one such person. | ||
| He was a noted critic of Santa Ana prior to this. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| The government sucks. | ||
| I agree with that statement across the board. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, it is something interesting that I think that you definitely have to look at this history through the appropriate racial lens of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, but... | ||
| At the same time, I don't think that people wanting to celebrate Texas Independence Day in the present day are necessarily all motivated from a place of white... | ||
| Aggrievement. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or like, I want to celebrate my race or something. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You know, I think there's a lot of people who probably celebrate the history of the state. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Like my home state. | ||
| Now, Alex, on the other hand, I don't give the benefit of the doubt on that front. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I do think that there's a lot of racial feelings that surround his... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you tell me there's an Illinois Independence Day, and I'll be like, ah, I remember Illinois. | ||
| It's a great state. | ||
| And then it's like, I'm not going to look into the history of Illinois independence for one simple reason. | ||
| It's probably based on genocide. | ||
| I mean, I don't even know if there was an Illinois independence. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| But any of them, all of them. | ||
| I don't think most states were countries for a while. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| And one of the things that's also fairly interesting is you look at these folks who played major roles in the government of the Republic of Texas, and you kind of assume that a lot of it is people who are like from the South. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who are heading over. | ||
| And that's not universal. | ||
| There were a number of folks from even New England-y areas that came down and were involved in the Republic of Texas. | ||
| I thought it was kind of interesting. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's part of the westward expansion. | ||
| That had no geography. | ||
| There was no south versus north. | ||
| When you wanted to head west, the government was like, You take it, you get it! | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| I just, you know, I would have thought just from convenience, like people skipping over. | ||
| Oh, just geographically. | ||
| I gotcha, I gotcha. | ||
| I'm gonna trot over here. | ||
| And it turns out... | ||
| Get a boat on the Gulf and head to Texas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, look, Alex is getting mad about nothing. | ||
| All of these stories that he's covering on this episode are... | ||
| Non-stories. | ||
| Didn't happen or won't happen. | ||
| Or are completely different than what he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just getting himself worked up. | ||
| I mean, look at the news I just covered. | ||
| Arnold Schwarzenegger wants to be president. | ||
| He wants you to get rid of the law so he can do it. | ||
| We told you that. | ||
| Greenspan says, don't you criticize the loss of jobs. | ||
| Shipping jobs overseas is good for the economy. | ||
| Bush wants to change it to where working at McDonald's is manufacturing. | ||
| So he can, in the economic index, call that manufacturing. | ||
| That's an official thing from his economic council. | ||
| City of Austin says after 100-plus years, no more Texas Independence Day. | ||
| They will not allow or issue a permit for that, but they will for Cinco de Mayo. | ||
| They're going to pass a bill in West Virginia that you will take every shot they say or you will have your children taken from you. | ||
| That's a good one. | ||
| They're about to pass a law to pass the House in New Mexico where everyone will have to blow into the breathalyzer every time you start your carb. | ||
| Again, we're all criminals! | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| None of these stories are real. | ||
| It's all meaningless bullshit Alex is obsessing over, specifically to make himself mad so he can toy with the feelings and emotions of the audience. | ||
| We're all becoming criminals and slaves, apparently, because of this litany of nonsense headlines completely disconnected from reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is working backwards, because the conclusion he has in mind is already established, and it's his job to find material that he can use to prop up that conclusion. | ||
| The end goal is the conclusion that we're all becoming criminals by the state, police state, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So in order to push that forward, push towards that, the headlines and how they're discussed must serve that purpose. | ||
| He can't cover reality in real-world terms, which isn't to say that he would want to anyway, but he literally can't without his messaging becoming completely incoherent. | ||
| Let's take this Texas Independence Day parade story as a great example. | ||
| The city of Austin didn't say that they couldn't have a... | ||
| It was just an issue where the fees weren't automatically waived and the non-profit who runs the parade couldn't afford to cover that bill, so the parade was cancelled. | ||
| If Alex covered this story in line with reality, there's a problem that exists, which is that this bill needs to be paid. | ||
| He loves Texas Independence Day and he wants that parade so he could possibly pay that bill himself. | ||
| But at this point in his career, he may not be able to throw around that kind of cash, so let's go the other way with it. | ||
| He has a big audience, and the challenge of raising like $11,000 for this very important event would be super easy. | ||
| If he wanted to solve the problem he claims to be so upset about, it would be easy. | ||
| But he doesn't do this because the parade not existing isn't really the problem. | ||
| That's the mask that he has put on the problem. | ||
| The real thing Alex is complaining about is that he feels like white people are treated meanly by the city government, but Hispanic community members aren't. | ||
| That's the real story that he's covering. | ||
| The shit about the parade is just window dressing. | ||
| That's why he can't even mention the parade being cancelled without saying that the city sponsors the Cinco de Mayo parade, which isn't even true. | ||
| It's because he needs both of these elements to be present for the story that he wants to tell, which is about a white victimhood narrative. | ||
| That's why he can't just cover the real details of this story and why he has no interest in using his platform to propose a productive solution. | ||
| Paying for the fees so this group can have their parade solves the problem of the parade being cancelled. | ||
| I think it's really key to... | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Keep that in mind. | ||
| And it's even more indicative of how that actually functions in real life, which is to say... | ||
| Because the problem is not the problem that they're arguing about, even if you give them what it is that they want, you're not going to... | ||
| That you think they want based on words. | ||
| You're not going to change anything. | ||
| And it's only going to happen forever. | ||
| Because if you actually look at somebody in the eye and say, I want you to give preferential treatment to white people all the time, they will just say... | ||
| No. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But instead, if you go, well, I want you to give white people preferential treatment this time, they'll also go, no. | ||
| Instead, you go, if you give anybody else treatment that's better than mine, I'll kill everybody! | ||
| You know, like, it's insane. | ||
| It's absolutely insane. | ||
| And because they keep getting what they want, they will never stop doing it. | ||
| They'll never stop doing it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Well, yeah, I mean, because society can't really Do this forever. | ||
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It's wearing down people a little bit. | |
| That's a good reason not to. | ||
| To a certain point, though, we have to accept that it's on us for letting them do this shit forever and not just getting down to the bottom of it and saying all you want is preferential treatment for white people all the time. | ||
| No. | ||
| Look, here's where I'm at. | ||
| I agree with your premise in as much as I think that it is everyone else's fault for putting up with this shit. | ||
| I don't know how to not. | ||
| I don't know what the alternative is. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I don't know what behaviors would need to be taken to not put up with this. | ||
| I mean, honestly... | ||
| I think understanding it better helps. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because I think a lot of people don't even... | ||
| Like, what you're saying about, like, in this case, giving people like Alex what they want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| According to what you would assume they want. | ||
| Which is what they're saying. | ||
| That isn't going to change their behavior at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I think a lot of people who don't see the second layer underneath what Alex is talking about would assume that this is what you want. | ||
| We're solving the problem. | ||
| Well, you don't want to just assume that that person is coming to you from an extremely racist place. | ||
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Right. | |
| Or a dishonest, manipulative place. | ||
| And so I don't... | ||
| I don't think you would be in any wrong to engage with them like that. | ||
| However, if people had a greater understanding of what's going on under the surface... | ||
| What is actually being demanded behind these demands, then maybe they could be in a better position to engage with it as it is. | ||
| This kind of rhetoric and such. | ||
| If we're going to call it a tantrum, then let's deal with it like a tantrum and just fucking weather it. | ||
| They're going to make a big... | ||
| Stuart Rhodes is in timeout. | ||
| If you're fucking Target and they're mad at you about something, just go, fine, and then wait it out, and they'll be mad at something else next week. | ||
| True. | ||
| You can't give them anything. | ||
| They just have to keep trying it and failing it until they give up. | ||
| You can't empower things like this with... | ||
| No, you're just giving them the thing that they... | ||
| You're rewarding them positively, and that's going to continue the behavior. | ||
| And I think that that's probably a part of why it's... | ||
| What's so frustrating for you hearing that story is that the city council of Austin having this emergency session, inserting that into the agenda is giving deference to a tantrum. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, you're throwing garbage under the bed trying to keep the monster from eating you, and it's like, what are you doing? | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| I never thought of that. | ||
| Let's keep throwing more garbage under this monster. | ||
| It can't possibly ever go wrong. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Alex gets some callers. | ||
| He takes some calls. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this guy confused me a little bit. | ||
| I'm not 100% sure if I'm even in the same reality. | ||
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I've got a book about... | |
| It's the Roosevelt myth. | ||
| And my friend said, what are you reading that word? | ||
| 1933. | ||
| You know, people are so dumbed down by stuff. | ||
| By the way, every time I tune into a neocon now, they're talking about how great Roosevelt was. | ||
| What's this new trend of hearing people talk about how great Roosevelt was? | ||
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From what I'm getting out of this book, he was basically the start of all this. | |
| He pushed government beyond unbelievable what he did. | ||
| I mean, he ran his platform trying to get elected on... | ||
| Hoover was spending way too much money. | ||
| The first thing he does, he gets in the office and he starts, you know, what, 50 different organizations for this and organizations for that, basically just taking control, the federal government just took control of our whole nation ever since. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| And that's fascinating. | ||
| People don't even understand. | ||
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They don't even care. | |
| All they want to do is watch these ignorant, stupid reality TV crap. | ||
| The reason I'm confused... | ||
| What exactly is he complaining about? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But leave that be. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm confused because this guy's reading a book that's clearly about FDR. | ||
| Yes, it has to be. | ||
| And I think that the neocons are into Teddy Roosevelt. | ||
| That's what I assumed. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because that's what would make sense for them. | ||
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I can't. | |
| I mean, look, it's so nonspecific that it's very difficult to, like, check. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I don't believe that the people that Alex routinely labels and singles out as the neocon folks have any love for FDR. | ||
| I generally remember them appreciating the Rough Riders more than the WPA. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Let's put it that way. | ||
| Yeah, so that was really confusing. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Man, I just love the removal of context. | ||
| Like, oh, FDR gets into office and the first thing he does is start making all these organizations to get people back to work because there was something going on. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| It was a depression. | ||
| The Great Depression. | ||
| Oh, it's got the great in front of it. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Maybe there was a reason. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That wasn't in the book, though. | ||
| No, it doesn't seem like it. | ||
| So this book, The Roosevelt Myth, was written by a man named John T. Flynn. | ||
| Flynn was a weird dude. | ||
| He was a big-time anti-interventionist, going so far as to being a major figure in the early creation of the America First Committee, which was organized primarily to keep the U.S. out of World War II. | ||
| That group had some serious problems with anti-Semites and Nazi sympathizers in its ranks, but I don't have any reason to think that Flynn was one such person. | ||
| He seemed to be primarily motivated by opposition to U.S. intervention in all foreign wars. | ||
| However, after the attack on Pearl Harbor, However, Flynn entirely abandoned his beliefs and fully supported the war effort. | ||
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Don't blow up my fucking place, man! | |
| And it's somewhat ironic, too, because his later career largely revolved around disseminating half-cooked conspiracy theories about Pearl Harbor. | ||
| And, like, Roosevelt knew it was going to happen. | ||
| Yeah, that's like that 9-11 moment. | ||
| You know, that happened for some people, where it's just like 9-11 happened. | ||
| Like, I mean, Dennis Miller became a completely different person. | ||
| True. | ||
| You know, he was a thing, and then 9-11 happened, and then God knows, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know enough about this Flynn guy. | ||
| And I'm just making this up, so take it with all of the salt in the world. | ||
| But the vibe that I get from this kind of behavior is like, okay, so you have this anti-interventionist position and this sincere politics. | ||
| Then... | ||
| Pearl Harbor happens, and it's a traumatizing event for the entire country. | ||
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Totally. | |
| It is huge, and then you're like, alright, well, we gotta go to war. | ||
| I mean, you kinda gotta. | ||
| So you go back on your own positions and your own beliefs, but then you're like, I... | ||
| I went against my own beliefs. | ||
| It does have that feel, too. | ||
| And then so you come up with conspiracy theories in order to deflect from the fact that you went against your own beliefs due to the rising tide of public opinion after this giant traumatic event. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would be like someone who was really against war, 9-11 happens, then they support the invasion of Iraq, and then come up with conspiracy theories to explain why they were tricked into supporting war or something. | ||
| It has that feeling, and I don't know if Flynn is that... | ||
| Like I said, I'm making this up. | ||
| No, I understand what you're saying. | ||
| That's a very consistent kind of trait for a lot of people, is that once you experience that cognitive dissonance that overwhelms you, you kind of have to spend the rest of your life dealing with cognitive dissonance. | ||
| It emotionally fits. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I told you we weren't going to hear anything from Angel Shamaya. | ||
| Shamaya? | ||
| And that's true. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Let's go to Angel Shamaya. | ||
| And Angel, good to have you on the broadcast with us. | ||
| Do we have Angel there, guys? | ||
| I hear some noise in the background. | ||
| Perhaps she's taken another call or had a phone problem. | ||
| Okay, we'll try to get him back on then, please. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| So yeah, he's not there. | ||
| So we're not going to hear anything from Angel Shumai. | ||
| He's maybe on another call. | ||
| They do end up getting a hold of him, and he comes on, but he's not feeling well, so he has to cut the interview short. | ||
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Great. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, not a whole lot to dig out of that one. | ||
| So we get some calls, though, and we get back to this West Virginia story. | ||
| Big stuff. | ||
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The reason why I called is I wanted to make a short comment on West Virginia and what's going on there. | |
| When they come, Poke my children, which are two and four right now. | ||
| My daughter's four, my son's two. | ||
| When they come to poke my children, because I know the agenda always goes on, regardless if it starts in West Virginia or if it starts in any other state, it's going to be pushed. | ||
| When they come to poke my children, I will not let them. | ||
| Guarantee you I will lay down my life before they poke my children or before they draft my children. | ||
| Or before they draft some of my family. | ||
| I guarantee you, I will not let them. | ||
| And if they try, just let them try. | ||
| Number two. | ||
| Well, for those that don't know that just joined us, they're about to pass a bill that your child will have to take 35 vaccines containing mercury. | ||
| They admit it's killing and maiming, total autism, massive brain problems. | ||
| Mainstream news admitting the troops are dead and dying from the vaccines. | ||
| They say nationwide, as the feds are pushing this, A bunch of states are about to try to make it the law. | ||
| West Virginia's about to pass the bill, SB 439, to make you take the shots. | ||
| Now, that's not freedom, people. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Just whipping people up into a frenzy. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I... | ||
| I'm gonna say this bullshit, now you respond in anger. | ||
| Talk about how you'd kill people who are coming to poke your kids. | ||
| If you're the type of person who is often finding fictional scenarios wherein you would be willing to kill or lay down your life in protection of others, I have great news for you. | ||
| Probably not going to happen. | ||
| Overwhelmingly probably not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah, but it's fun. | ||
| It's fun to talk about on a radio show. | ||
| Is it fun? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| It seems to happen a lot. | ||
| If they come and poke my kids, I'll kill them! | ||
| It happens a lot on Alex's show, so it must be fun. | ||
| It's gotta be something. | ||
| There are a few other explanations. | ||
| There must be something satisfying about it. | ||
| Yeah, but Alex is just, you know, like, lying about this story. | ||
| And I got to thinking about, like, it must be freeing in some way. | ||
| He's using a WorldNet Daily article as a source. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So who cares if you lie about it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| What, are they going to be mad? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're making shit up, too. | ||
| Yeah, they're absolutely lying. | ||
| You're involved in the grifta sphere now. | ||
| And the stakes are so weird. | ||
| Here was the thought that I just... | ||
| I'm shocked I don't think I've had before. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's like, okay. | ||
| Somebody's going to come up with an episode number. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| But maybe I've thought about it and forgot. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| So, like, you use an outlet like World Night Daily. | ||
| And you can be forgiven for using that once or twice. | ||
| And then the story that is on there is total shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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And you're like, you know what? | |
| Maybe they're not a good outlet. | ||
| Maybe it's a bad move. | ||
| Alex consistently uses these outlets that are constantly wrong. | ||
| And the only explanation for that is that he likes stuff that's constantly wrong. | ||
| It's all just, um... | ||
| There's no... | ||
| Concern for truth preservation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a safe pond. | ||
| Once you're in the shit pond, everything's shit. | ||
| It's already shit. | ||
| There's no chlorine in the pond. | ||
| It's all garbage. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It's all just another drop in the bucket of shit. | ||
| It's a half-formed thought that I have, but yeah, it is a... | ||
| The stakes are lower. | ||
| It is a bit like once someone pisses in the pool, it's in there. | ||
| It's just in there, and you're not getting it out. | ||
| And you can piss in it too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why stop now? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is very much a one-is-all scenario. | ||
| Pee. | ||
| Anyway, a caller has an idea here that I think is dangerous. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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So, listen, first of all, I've got all your tapes. | |
| I think I've got six or seven of them. | ||
| That's too many. | ||
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And I'm dividing them up and I'm putting them on my public access channel. | |
| I really appreciate that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And, you know, I think that people are really intrigued about it. | ||
| But now, listen, I had a great idea for a website, sort of like that. | ||
| Do you remember when DARPA came out and everybody put up Poindexter's information on the Internet? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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I think that we ought to have a website called Tar and Feather. | |
| Tarandfeather.com is taken, but it looks like a small potato guy, and it's ready to expire in April. | ||
| But tarandfeather.net is still available, and if we put up all these new world cronies information, anybody anywhere that lives close by them could go talk to them. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Tarandfeather.com or.net. | ||
| It's just an idea. | ||
| You know, I try to find a lot of information on a lot of people just because I'd like to know where they are. | ||
| I'll tell you what, Paul, stay there. | ||
| We'll talk more about it. | ||
| So this caller seems to want to start a tar and feather doxing website. | ||
| What a weird pre-doxing world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it was before we had DOXX. | ||
| I mean, he wants to create a database of, like, home addresses of people he feels are New World Order stooges. | ||
| What we should do is have a public kill list. | ||
| What we need... | ||
| Well, no, people can go over and talk to them if you know what I mean. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's why we named our website Tar and Feather. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So people could go talk to them. | ||
| Talk to them. | ||
| Just go talk to them. | ||
| We are deliberately evoking what would happen to tax collectors and government officials. | ||
| But whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If I were Alex, I probably would probably try and stem this kind of... | ||
| I feel like it's irresponsible, dangerous. | ||
| What people would do with that information in Alex's vigilante-ass fantasizing followers, I think you might end up with an increase in feather sales. | ||
| So there would be some benefits economically. | ||
| Sure, there'd be trickle-down from the tar and feather markets. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But yeah, Alex has one problem with this site, and it's not... | ||
| Not what you think. | ||
| And let's go ahead and go back to the caller that we were just talking to, Paul in New York. | ||
| Paul, you were making some points. | ||
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Yeah, well, you know, I just thought that, first of all, that card and feather website would be a great way. | |
| Well, I mean, yeah, it's good to have websites that expose corrupt politicians and corrupt government pimps and minions. | ||
| The problem is there's hundreds of thousands of high-level bureaucrats, millions total, hundreds of state and county and city agencies in every state, if not thousands. | ||
| And, I mean, it would be encyclopedic. | ||
| What we need is lots of regional websites that are making and being promoted to the grassroots. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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I mean, we could have one major website. | |
| You could pick your region. | ||
| Oh, kind of like Indymedia. | ||
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You're inventing Craigslist, you idiots. | |
| IndymediaAustin.org or Indymedia. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Like, I'm in New York here, right? | |
| You know? | ||
| Like, where are these people? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, David Rockefeller. | ||
| He lives in New York. | ||
| But, you know? | ||
| Where? | ||
| What's his address? | ||
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Everybody threw out a lot of information on Poindexter, and that was great. | |
| I mean, you know, you got aerial views. | ||
| But I know it's a lot of work, and I tell you, I'd be willing to work with somebody on a project like that. | ||
| Yeah, I bet you would. | ||
| Yeah, where is that David Rockefeller? | ||
| I'm fairly certain... | ||
| I got eyes on him. | ||
| I'm fairly certain two things just happened. | ||
| Alex pointed out that the website he was trying to create already exists, and it's called Facebook. | ||
| No, because Facebook doesn't have a database of people's addresses who you think are globalists. | ||
| No, but the point being is that there's hundreds of thousands, there's millions of people. | ||
| There's no way to catalog all of them without ultimately getting... | ||
| Unless you have a drop-down menu. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Unless you have sub-pages on a website. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Go to your region and find the globalist nearest you. | ||
| Yeah, and go talk to them, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like a Google Maps for talking to people. | ||
| County officials apparently qualify. | ||
| Search near you. | ||
| I mean, look, this is a bad idea. | ||
| It's a bad idea. | ||
| Pretty dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think we should put our state cop trollers at risk. | ||
| These people want to. | ||
| There's one I have to talk. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, we have one last clip here. | ||
| I mean, like, most of the rest of the episode is Alex taking calls from people who are zeros and just trying to hit these main stories. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I've noticed, I think I've brought this up sort of, that, like, the template of an Alex episode in this period of time is... | ||
| He'll have these headlines of sensational nonsense stories. | ||
| He'll lie about them very briefly, and then go to the calls, hoping to get callers to say angry things about the stories that he's covering. | ||
| Maybe there'll be a guest. | ||
| Maybe his water sponsor will show up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then at the end, he'll promise to do a news blitz and get into these stories, and then he'll just read the headlines over again. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And then call it good. | ||
| So he's got segments kind of like a show that would be produced. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Generally speaking, this is the path that a lot of these episodes go. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sensationalize headlines in order to incite callers, talk to the callers hoping that they feed a loop, a feedback loop, and then protect... | ||
| You don't have time to get into any more depth into these things. | ||
| Too busy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's kind of the way things go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this episode is no exception. | ||
| But we have one more caller here. | ||
| And first thing to note about this, keep an eye out for him almost forgetting his fake name. | ||
| And then just a very sad picture. | ||
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Yes, this is Mark. | |
| Welcome, sir. | ||
|
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I got a question for you. | |
| I've been to your website, I don't know, numerous times over the years using a friend of mine's computer. | ||
| And I guess it was last week or week before, he came home and his computer was going haywire. | ||
| And the only thing, there was like several blank screens in front of his, on his computer. | ||
| And one of them at the talk said that the police are looking at Okay, well... | ||
| Do you have any other problems with that? | ||
| Yeah, I get emails every day because the software sellers sell software and say, your computer is wide open. | ||
| The police could look at it. | ||
| Buy our software. | ||
| That's the sales pop-up window. | ||
| If you go to any of the major websites, Amazon, Drudge, anything, they have an advertiser that has a pop-up. | ||
| That pops up and fills your screen with pop-ups, and it says the police are watching you. | ||
| Your computer is wide open. | ||
| Buy our software. | ||
|
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Okay, okay. | |
| So, yeah, that's what happened. | ||
| And then I get emails every day asking me, oh my God, the police are watching you. | ||
| So, you know, a rare positive thing to say about Alex. | ||
| He resisted the opportunity to tell this caller there was something to be afraid of. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is just a pop-up ad. | ||
| It is nice. | ||
| Your friend's computer, you watched my show on it, that didn't make the government end up cracking into his computer. | ||
| Yeah, it's just a bad pop-up. | ||
| That's... | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he could have really messed with this guy. | ||
| And he almost got to a good tongue twister. | ||
| Software sellers sell software softly. | ||
| Where? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| I don't think Alex could say that ten times fast. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Nor could you. | ||
| I doubt I could. | ||
| The second thing that jumps out to me about that is Alex saying that he gets this question like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every day? | ||
| I get a million emails. | ||
| Every day, probably an exaggeration. | ||
| But I do believe that he probably gets it quite a bit. | ||
| And that is because the mentality that Alex perpetuates, the coverage, the editorial positions of his show, would lead somebody who doesn't know that much about computers, maybe isn't that tech savvy, they would see that and be like, oh my god. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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The government's trying to get me because I accessed this forbidden information that Alex is. | |
| Totally. | ||
| Obviously, that makes sense that these people would think that. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Alex is fostering that kind of engagement with the world in his audience. | ||
| And think about how many other places this could intersect. | ||
| If they get pulled over just because of a taillight being out or something, how much would that be? | ||
| Every interaction. | ||
| In the world that Alex creates for you is heightened beyond anything. | ||
| Just the idea of getting a pop-up. | ||
| The scariest a pop-up was back then for me is like... | ||
| This pop-up is porn. | ||
| And that would happen... | ||
| The scariest for me would be like, this is going to make my computer crash or freeze or something. | ||
| Or all the toolbars and the Yahoo and all that stuff. | ||
| And you'd go to your grandparents' house and you'd see a mess. | ||
| And they're just trying to play fucking solitaire or whatever. | ||
| The idea that your grandparents would be like, is the government trying to fucking kill me? | ||
| Is this pop-up... | ||
| Legit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's scary. | ||
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It is. | |
| That's a real scare. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's brutal. | ||
| Well, and, you know, it is based on a number of the, you know, the stories and the prevailing ideas that Alex has. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You could be forgiven for getting that in your head. | ||
| Especially when... | ||
| Thinking you're being targeted for being an info warrior. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Oh, and especially when computers... | ||
| That guy is going to his friend's computer. | ||
| You know, like, it can't be understated that in 2004, computer literacy was not total. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, there was a vast majority of the population that would see a Netscape Navigator browser and shit their pants, you know? | ||
| Like, it was out of control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a bummer, but tip of the old cap to Alex for not exploiting that guy. | ||
| Don't panic. | ||
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Further. | |
| Not exploiting him further. | ||
| Yeah, I was gonna say, it's his fault the email came in the first place, so let's not forget that. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we come to the end of our excursion. | ||
| Hopefully Alex is back in studio. | ||
| We're recording this on Sunday, maybe Sunday night, maybe Monday. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I will get back to the present once I'm allowed. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| It's not an Owen Schroer episode. | ||
| When you make a promise, you do it. | ||
| But this was interesting. | ||
| It's fun to learn a little bit about Texas independence. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| West Virginia vaccine bills that failed. | ||
| I appreciated learning about Texas independence. | ||
| That's one of the things in American history that I don't know too much about. | ||
| Oh, there's so much more to it, too. | ||
| The whole Santa Ana thing. | ||
| I know plenty of... | ||
| The ups and downs of Santa Ana's career. | ||
| But not enough. | ||
| Not enough! | ||
| Well... | ||
| You know, if he's not back in studio, maybe he'll complain more about it on the next episode and we can learn more. | ||
| Could be. | ||
|
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So, we'll be back, Jordan, but until then, we have a website. | |
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clarkski. | ||
| Stalling because my mouse isn't working. | ||
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
|
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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