#793: January 27-29, 2004 dissects Alex Jones’ erratic rants—bird flu as a "bioweapon" from Asian farms, Osama bin Laden’s debunked CIA claims (codenamed Tim Osmond), and his bizarre wrestling tangents comparing John Kerry to Hulk Hogan. Jones mocks wrestling fans as "mindless idiots," pivots to gold scams via Midas Resources, and dismisses caller theories like the W199I document or alien-like elites. His disjointed conspiracy theories reveal a pattern of unfounded claims and personal frustrations, exposing how easily his audience latches onto absurdities while ignoring evidence. [Automatically generated summary]
Now I've got 19-year-old Alcaraz, and he's playing Yannick Sinner, right?
Who is another 21-year-old kid, right?
They just played, they are two of the best players in the game, and they just played one of the most incredible matches that you see outside of like a Rafa or Federer or a Rafa and Djokovic kind of match.
It is, they were playing incredible tennis.
It was amazing, and it made me, it was like, oh, thank goodness.
After this, you know, people have been yelling about the big three era being like, oh, what are we going to do after that?
I feel like there might, I don't know if this is applicable, but maybe this, where my mind goes is like, I was a basketball fan around that time after Jordan.
Right.
And so that sort of evokes that feeling in me of like the sort of the end of Jordan's career and then the like new crop of folks that were coming up.
Sure.
You know, folks like maybe Carl Malone and Charles Barkley had been beaten down by we're never going to win it.
He is going to be the, like, everybody on the planet is like, oh, I don't know what basketball is going to look like after this guy because he's just going to lay waste to this world.
I'm not saying it would be a bright spot, but it would be notable if all of a sudden, like, oh, the greatest tragedy is the first night of WrestleMania was hit by a small meteor.
So anyway, this is actually kind of appropriate to be my holdover bright spot because wrestling might come up on this episode in a very depressing way.
It's obviously serious if it's killing people and it's a deadly strain of flu.
But the reason we see the flus always coming out of Asia is because they'll have tens of thousands of pigs in pens on these giant hog farms right next to thousands and thousands of geese and chickens.
And they've done the studies.
They've known for 50 years it's because the manure of the different species combined together and becomes like giant petri dishes where different types of flu viruses mutate and merge together.
Also, what some of the new leaked news memos are saying about the government staging actors playing the part of troops saying how much they love the war on television.
But if it's happening all the time and you haven't been able to catch the saboteur yet, that is also why you can't really have it be a conspiracy because it implies a real lack of effectualness on your part.
Which is a little bit earlier than I would have put it because I don't see Bob coming on once a week at this period like he does in like the 2008, 2009 timeframe.
Had a couple things that I wanted to let you know.
One was that you've gone over this thing a bunch of times on the Silverstein video and that.
But last Thursday, I decided to send a link in email to about 25 different friends on the page that you had set up on PrisonPlanet.com with all the different videos and all the different information.
And I sent out the 25 emails about 11 o'clock Thursday night, and then Friday decided to check it because I put in the email I wanted comments back from any of my friends on what they thought about this.
And Friday night I go to go into my email, check it, and I type in my password, and of course it says invalid password or username.
So I tried this three times, got the same message, and I decided to click on the help button, and I did that.
And on me get a page that comes up, says this Yahoo account has been deactivated.
I found that to be quite interesting, and I went to go to my Yahoo Messenger to see if I could get on that and talk to some people.
And I plugged in my username and password.
And I get a little message that comes up, says, system, your account has been locked for security reasons.
So that's never happened before when I've emailed anything out.
And I've got this happening now.
So that was kind of interesting that that happened within a 24-hour period of time.
But as soon as people start talking about it a ton, they're all of a sudden terrified and want to shut it down by all means possible.
To the extent that they would sabotage Alex's studio and close the Yahoo account of some weirdo who probably has 25 friends that he has contacts with on email.
Now, two years ago, the New York Observer was able to perch atop a chimney of a building across the street from the tomb in New Haven, Connecticut, where Yale is based.
And they were able to catch on video one of the rituals they do that had been reported and leaked by Skull and Bones members of the past.
And that is ritual throat slitting of women and then offering their bodies up to Satan.
And then one of the Skull and Bones members walks out in an outfit dressed up like the devil and says, I'm Satan.
So in 2001, a New York Observer reporter named Ron Rosenbaum published an article about how he and a team had spied on what they decided must have been a skull and bones initiation ceremony from the roof of a neighboring building from which they could spy into the courtyard.
This kind of raises an important question.
Like, if it's this easy to spy on the skull and bones rituals, why hasn't anyone done it previously?
It's not like the neighboring building was just built.
If the bones men were really as concerned about ultimate privacy as they appear to be, you'd think that they would have the foresight to know that their courtyard was plainly visible from an easy-to-axis access rooftop.
It's almost like they don't actually need total privacy, but the allure of mystery is the only thing that gives them any kind of meaning in society, so you play into it.
Former Skull and Bones members went on the record and said that what was on the video was nothing like what they went through in their initiation rites.
And it seems unlikely that a group that's so invested in tradition and their own history would just up and change the initiation ceremony into this screamy nonsense.
Having watched the video and poked around a little bit for contextual information, I'm inclined to believe the perspective that the former bonesman Steve McDonald told Yale Daily News when he speculated that the whole thing might have been staged or that there's like a prank going on.
Another compelling point he makes is that with few exceptions, these kinds of rites are carried out inside the headquarters.
I think this is all really silly, and ultimately it's a situation where the only people profiting from these kinds of stories are the conspiracy theorists and the elites.
The conspiracy theorists get to sensationalize shit in order to craft more interesting narratives to capture their audience and bullshit worldviews.
The elites, particularly the Ivy League folk who are part of these secret societies in college, they get to enjoy the mystique that this attention gives them and how the absurdity of it all places them into somewhat elevated position above the masses.
Oh, you've gone through these secret rituals and rites.
They have secrets and maybe even supernatural powers that you don't have access to because you're not one of the elites.
Below is the timeline that details a relationship between the bin Laden and the Bush's families that culminates in the tragic events of September 11.
Well, I mean, we've got FBI agent Robert Wright standing up at the National Press Club crying, saying, Here's the letter where if I tell you what I know, I'll be arrested.
That's W199I, folks.
That's an order arising out of that order.
People still deny W199I when it's in the Associated Press and the BBC admitted.
Bush said, Don't stop the bin Ladens, don't stop Al-Qaeda.
And again, people just say, Well, I'm not going to talk about that.
At times, it's a national security document, but it's always meant to emanate from the president.
The idea is that Winnie is a presidential directive saying that all investigations needed to leave the bin Ladens alone.
The implication being that the Bush's family ties to the bin Ladens made them negligent, or that Bush was trying to make sure that no one uncovered the 9-11 plot before it could be carried out.
Alex, ever the storyteller, would exaggerate this in his book, Descent into Tyranny, saying that it told, quote, FBI agents as well as defense intelligence officers that if they tried to stop al-Qaeda, they would be arrested under national security implications.
Basically, this is a document that's used to explain why the plot wasn't uncovered within the conspiracy narrative worldview.
The document itself is from 1996, so Bush has nothing to do with it.
And there's no reason to even assume that Clinton did either.
It's a narrow FBI document reflecting a closing of an investigation into one of Osama's family members, Abdullah bin Laden, who was under scrutiny because of his association with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth.
The document itself doesn't even reflect an order to not investigate Abdullah.
It just says that the case that was involved, it opened in February 1996 and it closed that September.
The implication that this relates to an order to not investigate bin Laden family members or folks from Saudi Arabia comes from Greg Pallast's coverage of the document, where he claimed that unnamed sources told him that some unspecified cases were, quote, shut down for political reasons.
But nothing further is established.
And it's just, you know, you take that grain of something that is unsourced specifically from Greg Palest, and Alex will exaggerate from there into it being like, all terrorism, if you try and stop it, will arrest you.
So if I understand correctly, the evidence is unspecified sources, unnamed sources, giving a third-hand account of what may have happened that they don't know.
Some people might think it's naive to think that just because you're in the family doesn't mean that you have connection with the person who ends up being a terrorist, but maybe they don't.
That statistic that one-third of the cops who are killed or killed by undocumented immigrants is not in that Washington Times article that Alex is covering.
He's made up that stat.
The only time murder is even mentioned in that article, it's in this sentence.
Quote, according to figures from 2002 from the former INS and from ICE, more than 375,000 known illegal aliens have been ordered deported but have disappeared pending immigration hearings.
Washington area sniper Lee Boyd Malvo was one such alien.
I did find, though, one case, and that was of Andrew Mickel that year, who murdered Officer Daniel, I'm sorry, David Mobilio in cold blood while Mobilio was filling up his tank at a gas station.
Mikkel would end up being caught about a week later after he posted online: quote, Hello, everyone.
My name is Andy.
I killed a police officer in Red Bluff, California in a motion to bring attention to and halt the police state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country.
Alex has made up a terrifying statistic meant to direct the audience's fear, hate, and distrust towards a vulnerable population that Alex doesn't like and which he uses as a political scapegoat.
Further, he's claiming that some source backs up his claims when, in fact, he's just reading headlines in a nutty-ass right-wing publication for articles he hasn't even skimmed.
Let me just read part of this New York Post article because this dovetails with what I'm about to do.
New York Post yesterday.
Last February, Morgan Spurlock decided to become a gastronomical guinea pig.
His mission was to eat three meals a day for 30 days at McDonald's and document the impact on his health.
Scores of cheeseburgers, hundreds of fries, and dozens of chocolate shakes later.
The formerly strapping 6'2 New Yorker who started out a healthy 185 pounds had packed on 25 pounds.
But his supersized shape was the least of his problems.
Within a few days of the beginning, the drive-through diet, Spurlock, 33, was vomiting out the window of his car.
This was all documented for a documentary.
And doctors who examined him were shocked at how rapidly Spurlock's entire body deteriorated.
They were.
It was really crazy.
My body basically fell apart over the course of 30 days.
Spurlock told the Post.
His liver became toxic.
His cholesterol shot up from 165 to 230.
His libido flagged, and he suffered headaches and depression.
Spurlock charted his journey from the fit to flab, the tongue-in-cheek documentary, which he's released at the Sundance Film Festival in the hopes of getting a distribution deal.
We'll cover more of it in the next hour.
But that dovetails into the next five minutes with Debbie Morrow, my good friend, at New Millennium Concepts.
Not just the food, Debbie, what's been keeping me going all these years?
I mean, I get sick maybe once a year, is that I don't drink tap water.
I thought I was going to get a nice review of Super Size Me, some weird thoughts that Alex has because he probably couldn't like Morgan Spurlock, but at the same time, he doesn't like McDonald's and that kind of stuff.
So I feel like he'd be trapped kind of for his perspective.
Well, at this point, we are now in a position where I think a lot of people understand that Kerry is probably going to be the nomination for the Democrats.
I mean, that is, but that's the job opportunity he took.
You know, like when you talk about where his whole thing came from, like, the reason that he became so popular is because there is a thirst for a voice to be screaming this shit at people because they've watched the transition from Clinton to Bush, the transition from Bush to Clinton, and they've been like, this is the same fucking shit.
Nothing different happened.
Nobody had any new ideas.
Everybody was like, hey, NAFTA's a great idea.
And then, you know, like it was nuts.
Of course they needed somebody to be like, look at all of these assholes.
Sources, planned operation into Pakistan seeks to destroy Al-Qaeda.
Now, I was told by someone, let's just say very close inside the administration, somebody who's been on Air Force One and heard the giggling jokes about it, that Bin Laden is dead, died of kidney failure.
And his family gets all the big base contracts and satellite contracts and weapons contracts for the U.S. military over there.
And they're on the Carlisle group, and their payment for having their son play the part of the bad guy.
He's been CIA since the mid-70s at least, is codenamed Tim Osmond.
So the conspiracy theory that Bin Laden was actually a CIA agent named Tim Osmond traces back to a 2001 article posted in an outlet called the Laissez-Faire City Times.
This is a convoluted and bizarre story, so I'm going to do my best just to lay it out as plainly as possible.
This has to do with Ted Gunderson, the FBI agent turned conspiracy lunatic who was part of the McMartin preschool hysteria and a major driver of the satanic panic in the 90s.
He claims that him and this guy, Michael, who would end up going to jail for 20 years on a methamphetamine production and trafficking charge just five years later.
I'm going to say at best, there's a really sus story that claims this thing, peddled by people who have taught me, by the way, of their actions, to not trust the things they say.
He ends up doing quite a bit of time, but he claims that this lab that he had on his property was actually about him like mining for platinum or something.
And there was outrage when Rowdy Piper a few months ago said it's all fake and went public.
As if we needed someone to go public.
And you're going, what are you talking about, professional wrestling?
Well, professional wrestling is staged.
They train for hours every week for the production, the show, the play that they're going to put on.
All right.
I mean, in the real world, if you hit somebody 50 times in the face and drop them on their head, their neck breaks.
Believe me, folks.
I punched somebody once and they've been in a coma for three weeks.
Okay?
You know, I'm not sitting there saying I'm a tough guy.
That's why I will not get in fights.
But, you know, the last two fights I got in, you know, I'd punch somebody a couple times and they'd be in the hospital on a breathing apparatus for a few weeks.
These giant steroided, 280-pound people pounding them in the face over and over again, body slamming their heads, slamming them from the ropes, and you idiots.
And I'm not talking to my listeners, but the few out there that don't understand, you're the same folks who think Bush is a conservative.
You will threaten me and send me emails going, it's real, it's real, it's real.
Oh, yeah, folks.
I've been in a 30-second fight and ended up having my leg broken before.
I mean, it's the problem with America is most of you never been in a real fight either.
So there was an added element of weirdness to Kayfabe at that point because there was a like the whole thing with the NWO with Hulk Hogan and Scott Hall and Kevin Nash was that they, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall showed up in WCW and they pretended that they were invading from the WWF.
So the Kayfabe of the storyline and stuff was fairly confusing on that aspect.
But yeah, as a child.
And pretty easily came to understand from watching it just some things from a physics perspective don't work.
Yeah.
But yeah, the thing that I want to point to, though, here with Alex is that he's trying to, in theory, make a metaphor about the political system being like wrestling.
Because he left the part about where he wants everybody to know that the politics is theater and then got really focused on the personal issue that some people get mad at him for telling them that wrestling is fake.
Yeah, the focus should have been like, I'm mad that people aren't awake for the government, not like, oh, swear to God, if somebody tells me that wrestling is real again, I'm going to be furious.
And some people say, well, how could it be staged in the presidential election?
You know, how could that happen?
That's impossible.
Yeah, we've got a country that believes that wrestling is real.
And I guess this was built into our minds in John Wayne movies where John Wayne would punch somebody 45 times in a bar and they just have a bloody nose.
You punch somebody 45 times, they will die, guaranteed, if you're really punching somebody.
I just, again, it's all false reality.
People don't know.
Most people don't think about how food gets to the grocery store, how they hear radio shows.
I get questions all the time by people.
Well, how do I?
I've been listening to you in Austin on radio, and I heard you in another city a thousand miles away.
Here's what I see this conversation being: somebody is trying to have a polite little small talk conversation with him: like, oh, you know, I kind of don't really know how radio works.
Like, you know, I can hear you simultaneously in another city doing something.
Well, I mean, in the past, the elites did send their sons off the war.
George Sr. Yeah, did that, did bail out on his crew, and then there was big talk on the character that he'd be court-martialed, but of course he wasn't.
That's a good feeling to find out that you're not alone in the world and that you're not nuts because when I've been researching these types of things in New World Order for about the last 15 years at least.
And when I try to talk to people about it, they tell me I'm nuts.
You read too many books.
You got too many thoughts running around in your head.
I like the idea of like some other show that takes itself seriously with a caller being like, oh, man, I've been researching the New World Order forever.
And we have these arguments about, so now I just laugh at him.
I don't even contend with him anymore on that.
I said, anytime you get a man that weighs 350 pounds, jump up and down in the face of another man, and the guy gets up and shakes it off and throws him out of the ring, you're going to tell me you don't know that that's fake, you know?
in terms of things that are really funny about Alex, like these clips that get posted online, sure, there's a cheap funniness to it, but the real rich dense funny, you can only find by going through this and listening to Alex's frustration at people bringing up Italian movies from the 1910s.
You can't cut that into a clip for twitter or something, because that requires you to do something that no Infolores listener can do, which is follow along with the story over a great length of time.
Yeah, so we come to the end of this Jordan and i'm not sure we uh, learned anything too impactful, except for that Tim Osman is Osama Bin Laden and that Alex doesn't know about swift boating yet I feel like you're.