Today, Dan and Jordan ease back into the groove by checking out what Alex was up to at the end of 2003. In this installment, Alex warns of drug dogs trained in Eastern Europe, discusses alleged plans to blame Cuba for a space false flag in 1962, and takes calls from antisemitic callers from multiple countries. Citations
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller in the future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you, buddy. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is, well, I guess I have, you know, for the last year or so, I have wanted a PlayStation 5. Yes. | ||
| And, I mean, first of all, that's an expense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then second of all, you couldn't spend the money because no one had any of them and they were impossible to find. | ||
| Mind-boggling. | ||
| Before the Christmas this year, before the holiday, I was able to find one and I decided to get myself a little bit of a Christmas present. | ||
| And yeah, I got a PS5, and I've been messing around with a couple of games. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Having a decent time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Enjoying some Arkham Knights. | ||
| I saw, because you had told me that you got it. | ||
| You texted me and told me you got it, and you said it was fantastic. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| And I had no idea what it actually was. | ||
| The PlayStation 5? | ||
| No, I've seen the PlayStation 5. Yeah, it's a game system. | ||
| No, I saw a thing on TV about it. | ||
| About Arkham Knights. | ||
| Yeah, because I don't have TV or anything. | ||
| So when I was over with my family for Christmas, they had commercials and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, it's a Batman game. | ||
| Yeah, and I was like, oh, look at that! | ||
| It's a Batman game, but spoiler alert, Batman dies in the first minute of the game. | ||
| Ooh! | ||
| Yeah, but it's, I mean, look, I don't know. | ||
| I guess I've heard that they, I don't know this to be true because I don't pay a whole lot of attention, but I understand that there's some backlash about there not being Batman in it, and it's... | ||
| Probably based in sexism on some level because Batgirl is one of the playable characters. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I've enjoyed it so far. | ||
| Look, it plays essentially exactly like any of those old Batman Arkham games. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's all you really want. | ||
| I mean, honestly, deep down, it's just a bunch of ones and zeros. | ||
| There are no men or women inside the video game at all. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And then I started playing it and I was like, man, I miss the Riddler trophy. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| You just wander around to get Riddler trophies. | ||
| And then as the game, as I played maybe an hour into it, Riddler trophy? | ||
| No, I was like, man, I'm so glad there aren't any Riddler trophies. | ||
| That bummed me out. | ||
| There are too many of them. | ||
| They are all over the fucking city. | ||
| I'm never going to get all 800 of these or whatever the fuck there was. | ||
| That's too many. | ||
| Anyway, it's fun. | ||
| Good. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| Oh, my bright spot, Dan, is we're back doing this! | ||
| It's my bright spot. | ||
| You know, you've been ill for a week or so. | ||
| I've been concerned about you. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| I insisted on only communicating... | ||
| By a Morbius pictures? | ||
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Pictures of my Marvel snap deck. | |
| Including four different Morbius cards. | ||
| Yeah, I understand I'm a bit of an annoying worrier, so yes, Morbius was a great way to communicate. | ||
| Well, I mean, first of all, I appreciate your concern. | ||
| And the nice messages that folks sent of Get Well Soon and such. | ||
| But for whatever it's worth, you were not overly worrisome. | ||
| Well, that's nice of you. | ||
| And I appreciate your offer to help out and whatever, but we got GoPuff now. | ||
| That's all we got. | ||
| If you need some NyQuil, boop, boop, boop. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is one of the few things that does make me feel like we're living in the future. | ||
| I don't think I've been sick since. | ||
| Unless there have been a service like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It was so weird to have in my mind, like, I need aspirin or whatever. | ||
| I need Tylenol or, you know, but I... | ||
| Can't get down the street to the CVS. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, oh, not a problem. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| It's, yeah, it's really, really spoiled. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| It makes me feel somewhat older, I suppose, or something, but just like the absolute amazement. | ||
| Are you telling me that aspirin can be delivered to my door? | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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No! | |
| It seems like it's not that complicated of a problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We took a while to solve, I guess. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But, yeah, I don't know what exactly we got. | ||
| Some sort of a cold or something. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I tested for COVID and I was negative, so it doesn't seem like that was the case. | ||
| But, yeah, I'm feeling much better, you know. | ||
| Well, I'm glad to hear it. | ||
| Yeah, it's tough to take time off. | ||
| First of all, because it's fun. | ||
| I enjoy doing the show. | ||
| Talking about this dumb asshole. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| But also, you know, I have a compulsion to work. | ||
| You really do. | ||
| And I may have been working on some side things while we were to... | ||
| You may have been working on some side things before we started talking. | ||
| Yeah, I still have a lot of buttons I need to send out, but I was not doing that while I was sick. | ||
| It was an abundance of caution. | ||
| But yeah, there's some other side... | ||
| Side stuff. | ||
| Did you breathe into any bubble wrap and send it to China to teach them a lesson about... | ||
| Hey man, it's morning in China. | ||
| Time to get up. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So, Jordan, we have an episode to do today. | ||
| Getting back on our horse. | ||
| That we're going to ride in on. | ||
|
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Fuck this horse. | |
| So I decided a little something, and that was that I don't want to do a present-day episode. | ||
| So we're going to be talking about another 2003 episode. | ||
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Yay! | |
| We're talking about December 9th and 10th, 2003. | ||
| And here's some of my reasoning on it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Holiday content is a little bit all over the place for Alex. | ||
| True. | ||
| And then here was what I... | ||
| I saw this, and I was like... | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| He had a video up on band.video and the title of it was How One Man Changed the World and You Can Too. | ||
| I'm like, oh, it's gonna be about Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's Christmas time. | ||
| Is it going to be about Reset Wars? | ||
| It's about Alex. | ||
| Of course it's about Alex! | ||
| Yeah, one man changed the world, but you can't too. | ||
| I was like, this is not the time for this. | ||
| This is the season where maybe you should, you know, if you're this big religious outfit, as you say, maybe tell the people. | ||
| As a theologian... | ||
| Spiritual leader, many would say, and devout Christian. | ||
| I think Alex knows on Christmas Day more than any other day, it should be about Alex. | ||
| Yeah, I will say I didn't actually watch that video, so maybe it is all about Jesus, but the thumbnail of it is a hundred different pictures of Alex from various points in his career. | ||
| So I assume it's probably... | ||
| Yeah, it could be. | ||
| Could be about Alex's Jesus. | ||
| That was like, alright buddy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have fun. | ||
| Unless you're throwing a hatchet, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was just thinking about the year that has been. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And for us it's been really interesting. | ||
| Certainly there have been developments. | ||
| A lot of things about Alex's court cases. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Have touched us a little more closely than would be expected. | ||
| True. | ||
| But I don't want to dwell on that. | ||
| I wanted to think about all of the dangling threads we have from Alex. | ||
| So this is just what I came up off the top of my head. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What else have we got? | ||
| Diesel. | ||
| Oh yeah, still out. | ||
| Monkeypox? | ||
| Still going. | ||
| That thread has been dropped entirely. | ||
| Alex has now reported on the almost zero cases now in the United States. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| Nancy Pelosi's husband's attack being faked? | ||
| That didn't happen. | ||
| I don't know what's happening with that. | ||
| Alex seems to have dropped that storyline. | ||
| Nuclear war was supposed to have broken out by now. | ||
| The invasion of Ukraine was only going to last a couple days. | ||
| That was going to be short. | ||
| So we have both nuclear war starting and... | ||
| Zelensky was on Putin's payroll and all that. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| Not yet come to fruition. | ||
| The dollar was supposed to collapse. | ||
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It was gone. | |
| We have no update on that. | ||
| All the food plants were under attack. | ||
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Remember that? | |
| That's right! | ||
| I forgot about the food was all under attack. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man. | ||
| All of these things were supposed to make us scared this year. | ||
| I think it did work out, but just wasting everybody's time. | ||
| Just wasting his listeners' time with nonsense to try and get them scared about stuff. | ||
| It does feel like there should be A year-end wrap-up, like the AV Club, or top 50 things of this year. | ||
| And if you really go through and list the amount of things that Alex wanted or thought should have happened, you're like, that would be a busy year. | ||
| That would be a busy fucking year! | ||
| God, I... | ||
| I mean, it would be a disaster movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be a horror film. | ||
| If just, like, you know, like, let's look at it as, like, a reverse liar liar. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where instead of Jim Carrey not being able to lie, it's everything Alex says is spoken into existence. | ||
| It is the truth. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like a Twilight Zone, Agatha Christie novel kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, I gotcha. | ||
| Yeah, it's a classic Knives Out mystery. | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| Which apparently also people are mad about. | ||
| Are they mad about that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm done with back. | ||
| Backlashes to anything. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I have not seen this film. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| But I've heard... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've seen some tweets. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| Anyway, instead of dwelling on these dangling threads and how Alex is probably not going to spend the end of the year cleaning up his mess and explaining, well, I got this one wrong, got this one wrong. | ||
| Oh, that would be great. | ||
| Wow, I was way off on this. | ||
| Oh, every year you should have... | ||
| If you work at InfoWars... | ||
| You should have a roast every year at the end of the year at the big old holiday party. | ||
| You sit up at the dais and everybody just kind of makes fun of all the shit you made up. | ||
| That would be great! | ||
| That'd be the most fun. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I will come as a diesel tank. | ||
| Because I'm picturing this as a roast like a Friars Club roast. | ||
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Right. | |
| But each person on the dais is one of the things Alex lied about and they all roast him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright, so they're the concept of the thing, roasting. | ||
| So somebody dressed as a nuclear bomb would walk up and be like, Hey, Alex, I bet you thought I was going to drop. | ||
| Well, here's a new bomb dropping on you. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| You could be like a food plant on fire. | ||
| Yeah, that'd be fun. | ||
| Anyway, we're going to be in the past, just because I wanted to... | ||
| You know, ease our way back into the waters of doing the show, and I didn't really feel like watching him navel-gaze. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| We're gonna get down to business, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea! | ||
| So first, Vexcess. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| It's like excess, but vexing. | ||
| Next, I'm the only non-Republican in my company of 120 employees, which includes InfoWarriors, QFollowers, and Three Percenters, and your podcast is what gets me through the day. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, I'm Cranky and Winky is my chosen mount. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| This is a Donkey Kong thing. | ||
| Oh, Winky, okay. | ||
| Winky is the frog, I think, maybe? | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| Anyway, next, Dan, listening to old episodes, and it's my favorite thing when you say Beelzebub. | ||
| Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Do I say that funny? | ||
| Beelzebub? | ||
| I don't say Beezlebub. | ||
| I think maybe going way back to when we were in your old room. | ||
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That whole thing. | |
| I think more often I would say old scratch. | ||
| Yeah, something along those lines. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That's more fun. | ||
| And Foundation to donate the Infowars desk to the Knowledge Fight Studio. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I'd love to, but Bill's already got it climbed. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We've got a couple of technocrats in the mix here, Jordan, too. | ||
| So I'd like to say thank you to Jackie in Arkansas. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And if everyone is an alpha, then no one is an alpha. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And catching up with your backlog. | ||
| And Dan, you busted my brain. | ||
| Also, it's probably my birthday by now. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I have risen above. | ||
| My enemies. | ||
| I might quit tomorrow, actually. | ||
| I'm just going to take a little breaky now. | ||
| A little breaky for me. | ||
| And then we're going to come back. | ||
| And I'm going to start the show over. | ||
| But I'm the devil! | ||
| I've got to be taken over here! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order, and fuck the horse you rode in on, and all your shit! | ||
| Maybe today should be my last broadcast. | ||
| Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. | ||
| Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. | ||
| That's really what I want to do. | ||
| I never want to come back here again. | ||
| I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. | ||
| I'll be better tomorrow. | ||
| He's not even better in the past. | ||
| He's not great in the past. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like the adding. | ||
| It's probably my birthday, by the way. | ||
| I think every shout-out should now have that. | ||
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It's probably my birthday, or it was probably my anniversary. | |
| Just put it in there, because you'll celebrate it, and we'll celebrate it with you. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| You know, birthdays are just a celebration of you and a life and what have you. | ||
| You can do that any day. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It's your birthday. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| It's like 50 Cent. | ||
| It's your birthday. | ||
| Go, showdy. | ||
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That's... | |
| It's the beginning of In the Club. | ||
| No, no, I understand that. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| Is that your 50? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| People said they like hearing me sing. | ||
| That was karaoke for the day. | ||
| Sounded like you were saying Beelzebub. | ||
| Beelzebub. | ||
| So, Jordan, we're starting here on the 9th. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And when I play you this clip, you may come around to the idea that my witchcraftery knows no bounds. | ||
| There is so much news, so much information today that we're going to cover, and I'm going to cover all of it. | ||
| If SARS hits U.S., quarantine could too. | ||
| The New York Times, any excuse to get martial law rolling in our lives? | ||
| Barracks blasts, injures 41 U.S. troops. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex is gearing up to make people afraid that SARS quarantines are going to be coming to the U.S. The thing about COVID that really gets into my head now is when you look back at all the previous possible pandemics, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they warned about global pandemics. | ||
| People said this could become a global pandemic. | ||
| And it seems like they did a good job. | ||
| Do we have to, like, reevaluate? | ||
| I feel like we should go back and reevaluate the quality of previous pandemic responses and be like, holy shit, these guys were unbelievably great because what happened with COVID is clearly these guys were the fucking... | ||
| Well, I think, yes, definitely there should be a certain amount of that. | ||
| But then, I think, you know, it can be difficult because they are different agents. | ||
| They're different viruses. | ||
| So, like, it's hard to compare one to one. | ||
| And also, some... | ||
| Some of it, unfortunately, I think also does come down to luck. | ||
| Ah, true. | ||
| And some things that are slightly outside of your control or require, like, complex cooperation that sometimes you can't rely on other people to. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| But, yeah, I do think that there are probably lessons of the past and, you know, other coronavirus outbreaks. | ||
| Seems like... | ||
| What happened then and didn't happen now or vice versa. | ||
| Maybe draw some, you know. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| Bandying about in the office. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I know one distinct difference, and that is that Alex wasn't a millionaire in the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak. | ||
| That's our new conspiracy theory. | ||
| If there is a potential disaster happening, somebody needs to steal all of Alex's money and make sure he's nowhere near it, and then whenever the disaster is averted, Alex can pop back up on air or something like that, you know? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| We will need to keep him poor as a preventative measure against future outbreaks. | ||
| He needs to be quarantined! | ||
| From his money. | ||
| And also, this is December 2003. | ||
| This is a bit after SARS had already... | ||
| I mean, it was contained in July 2003. | ||
| That was when it was like, alright, we got a good handle on this thing. | ||
| There were sporadic cases into 2004, but it's not... | ||
| In December 2003, the speculation of... | ||
| This being something that's going to cause quarantine seriously in the United States. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a long shot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, it's on Alex's mind. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Here's another thing on his mind, and that is that he's about to go to Houston. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What's he doing in Houston? | ||
| Well, there is a place there. | ||
| They show movies. | ||
| It's the Alamo Draft House in Houston. | ||
| Oh, but he's mad because they've got views. | ||
| Don't they? | ||
| No, this one's apparently pretty cool. | ||
| Also, the Austin one is apparently cool because he won't stop talking about how Mel Gibson was just there showing the passion of the price at the Austin one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And apparently he's going to the Houston one, and the guy who runs the Houston one comes on the show trying to sell tickets, which is like, what kind of a... | ||
| I'm sorry, what movie theater? | ||
| What kind of very bizarre... | ||
| I realize I haven't spelled this out. | ||
| Alex is doing an event at the Houston Draft House where he's showing one of his films, doing a Q&A, and then they're showing They Live. | ||
| So it's sort of a big event. | ||
| But none of the theaters at the Alamo Draft House are that big, and if they're needing to move tickets by having the manager come on Alex's show to do a little PS, I don't know what's going on here. | ||
| This is... | ||
| This is like the bad version of doing morning radio to try and sell tickets to a comedy show. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| I just flew in last night and I still got to get up at 5.30 a.m. to do this damn zoo crew show because the manager just called and said, we've only sold eight tickets. | ||
| We need ten tickets sold just to do a show, man! | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it implies one of two things. | ||
| One is like, well, it's either you got a really bad club or no draw. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And... | ||
| The Draft House is a pretty good venue. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They Live's a good movie. | ||
| I mean, I was going to say. | ||
| Maybe Alex is a bad draw. | ||
| If they had just announced they were doing a night of They Live, I bet they would have done pretty well for themselves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe Alex is a negative factor in this. | ||
| It does seem so. | ||
| So anyway, he talks a little bit here about his last time doing one of these screenings. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I don't think that'll happen on the second go-around, and they didn't sell out until 7 p.m. | ||
| 200 people just showed up right when it was about to start, thinking that they could get in, and to my dismay, 200 got turned away. | ||
| I suggest you go to Infowars.com and link through on the website and buy your tickets now, or get there at about 5.30 next Saturday. | ||
| Don't get there at 6 o 'clock. | ||
| Now, again, a lot of folks have already seen it, so it won't be as big a crowd probably, but still, You need to get there 30 minutes early to get your tickets if you're not buying them online. | ||
| I don't want to discourage you from coming. | ||
| Frankly, we ended up letting about 30 or 40 more than we should have in, and I ended up letting a bunch of people in for free once it was overflow. | ||
| We brought folding chairs, and of course Mel Gibson's dad and a lot of his family and Mel Gibson's sisters and people showed up. | ||
| That was a lot of fun. | ||
| I didn't want to say they were going to be there, even though they told me they were going to be there. | ||
| I don't know if they'll be there this time, but really exciting. | ||
| Why did you just tell us that? | ||
| Great place to meet like-minded people. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was a lot of fun and a lot of great information. | ||
| It's a great place to meet like-minded people like Mel Gibson's Holocaust denier dad. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Mel Gibson's dad was there. | ||
| So if you want to meet Holocaust deniers, you know where to go. | ||
| What a get. | ||
| What a celebrity appearance at Alex's event. | ||
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Man. | |
| The dad of Mel Gibson. | ||
| Yeah, oh, dude, we got Richard Spencer's dad here today selling fucking cars outside of the BMW, so, you know, Nazi dads are doing all right for themselves. | ||
| I should say, in the interest of fairness, I don't know what Richard Spencer's dad's beliefs are. | ||
| I do know what Hutton Gibson's beliefs are. | ||
| We do know that, yes. | ||
| Also, I don't know if I, I mean, look, I don't know if I buy Alex's story about letting people in free and all this stuff. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Doesn't sound like the Alex I know. | ||
| But this sounds really low stakes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For the Alex that we know in the present day, he sounds like somebody who's giving a family member directions of how to get in free to their show. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Show up half an hour early. | ||
| You can't show up right at doors. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is almost weird to... | ||
| You know, obviously people come from somewhere. | ||
| They don't just start where they are. | ||
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True. | |
| But for this type of thing to then... | ||
| Steamroll into what it became. | ||
| I would understand this type of thing if later on he became a slightly more successful version of himself. | ||
| Well, that's what he was until a few years ago. | ||
| Well, exactly. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| A while back, this would make sense. | ||
| But we live in now where it's like he's turned into a fucking super shredder after drinking too much ooze and now it's all collapsing around him. | ||
| You mispronounced booze. | ||
| Ah, well done! | ||
| But also, let's not forget that, like, on an episode not too long ago, he flew to Kansas City to do a local radio thing at a car dealership. | ||
| You are not wrong. | ||
| You're not wrong. | ||
| At this point in the past, he is just, like, great. | ||
| He's all over the place. | ||
| I want to say one thing. | ||
| I think some people have a little bit less excitement about the past episodes as opposed to the present, because, you know, the present has a lot of, like, Hot topics and things that are in the news and getting Alex's take on it can sometimes help understand where a lot of right-wing talking points are. | ||
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| And I understand that and I don't want to ignore that completely. | ||
| Oh, of course not. | ||
| But going back to the past has some other side advantages and this They Live show kind of touches close to one of them and that is... | ||
| I want to find more movie reviews. | ||
| I want to find more episodes where Alex tries to explain exactly what he thinks Art is saying. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Because that, to me, I recently remembered that we did that episode talking about his view of the second Matrix movie. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| That, to me, I need more of that. | ||
| I need more of, like, Alex... | ||
| Saying, I believe that this is the message of Avatar, or whatever, being like, what? | ||
| Yeah, him trying to interpret art outside of, whenever he's leaving politics and really does try and get into art criticism, art for its own sake, is one of the windows into a truly bizarre mind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that is what I want to find. | ||
| That's the gold I'm digging for in these hills. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| So anyway, we get back to SARS. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And some of this might sound a little familiar. | ||
| All right, let's launch straight into the news that I mentioned in the first segment. | ||
| If SARS hits U.S., quarantine could too. | ||
| Now, this is the Model States Health Emergency Powers Act, the forced inoculation program. | ||
| The CFR was saying they were going to use smallpox for sure to hit Dallas, Cleveland, and Denver, according to CFR head fearmonger Gary Hart of the Hart Rubbin Commission. | ||
| You've probably seen him on television. | ||
| Ninety-nine-plus percent of police, firefighters, and medical workers refuse to take it. | ||
| So now they've had to move on to SARS, which has been looked at very closely, is genetically engineered, has been altered by humans. | ||
| Again, I've got voluminous, prestigious medical reports on that. | ||
| And now they're trying to fearmonger with that weapon. | ||
| I will remind you that West Nile was given to Saddam in 1984 by Donald Rumsfeld and the Commerce Department. | ||
| So we have that as well. | ||
| And this is how they're going to get their control. | ||
| Oh, we're just giving you martial law for your safety, General Eberhardt at Northcom Command in Colorado Springs has said. | ||
| The former CENTCOM head, Tommy Franks, has said. | ||
| Why was it the Commerce Department? | ||
| Yeah, because it's Commerce. | ||
| So there's a really interesting dynamic to the game that right-wing propagandist shitheads like Alex have to engage in that I'd like to call out a little bit here. | ||
| In order to run their game of constantly making the audience afraid about novel and exciting threats, they're required to rewrite their own past ideas. | ||
| For Alex to compellingly freak out his listeners about COVID being a lab-made bioweapon in 2020, it's pretty important for him to not give off the impression that he's just the kind of guy that says that all the time. | ||
| He would lose a lot of his ability to convince them that he's proven that the sky is falling if they were made aware of how many times he'd claimed to have proven that in the past. | ||
| He's really just making shit up. | ||
| So in 2020, the 2003 SARS outbreak is real, in service of helping Alex make the argument that the current one is not. | ||
| If things had gotten out of control in 2003 in the way they did in our present, Alex would have played a similar anti-vax game as he has recently, but it wouldn't have been nearly as impactful given his far smaller influence and the dynamics around social media not being there at the time. | ||
| The Model State Emergency Powers Act was a piece of draft legislation that was crafted by a Georgetown law professor with support from the CDC. | ||
| It was not ever adopted or passed on a federal level, though some state governments have passed elements of it. | ||
| For instance, in March 2003, Arizona passed a bill requiring the Department of Health Services to redact personally and identifying info from health records before they're released publicly. | ||
| A couple of these state bills do provide a clarification of what law enforcement entities can do to assist with Department of Health orders involving quarantines, but it's a far cry from anything like martial law or what Alex is saying. | ||
| Plus, this is the state government, so states' rights or something. | ||
| Also, Alex fails to mention that his mortal enemy, the ACLU, is an entity leading the opposition to the Model State Emergency Powers Act due to concerns about vague language that could lead to civil liberty infringement. | ||
| Alex is further mixing up his history. | ||
| Saddam used chemical weapons on civilians in 1984 but the shipments of West Nile were made in 1985 They weren't specifically to Saddam and they weren't made by Rumsfeld but they did happen. | ||
| There was an Iraqi scientist who had previously been a researcher in Fort Collins, Colorado who received shipments of West Nile presumably for lab research purposes. | ||
| There is a huge conversation that deserves to be had, and has been had, but maybe could be had more, about the unintended consequences of dual-use chemical agents that were sold to Iraq for research purposes before Desert Storm. | ||
| But that actual conversation has almost nothing to do with West Nile, and Alex is all over the place. | ||
| But to the extent that our soldiers did end up... | ||
| Finding these old agents and stuff and being affected by them is unacceptable. | ||
| It's a very terrifying thing. | ||
| But... | ||
| Listening to that makes me wonder how old those conservative bingo cards really are. | ||
| Are we going to find fossilized records of a dinosaur being like, oh, they're bussing in... | ||
| Protester dinosaurs. | ||
| It's the same shit from the jump. | ||
| Well, you know, you always see... | ||
| People, and I am a little bit worried about this coming out of my mouth now because I have not looked too into it, but you do see those political cartoons that are ostensibly from 70 years ago, and they're thematically fairly similar to now, when there's things that kind of mirror. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And so, yeah, I think some of the bingo cards are probably pretty similar. | ||
| Yeah, because, you know, it's... | ||
| Because, and it has to be, because the bingo card has nothing to do with what's being said, the bingo card is bad thinking. | ||
| It is how you are thinking poorly in response to an impetus. | ||
| So it's like any old logical fallacy. | ||
| The fallacy isn't changing, it's the thinking that's causing it. | ||
| And the impetus is largely similar things, like being surrounded by people who you perceive to not... | ||
| And here we go! | ||
| As the health officer of Alameda County, Dr. Anthony Iton is prepared to make tough choices if SARS re-emerges this winter or spring, as many infectious disease experts fear. | ||
| Now, again, it kills about one out of a hundred that get it. | ||
| The flu kills 35,000. | ||
| But, see, you're used to it. | ||
| You're not scared of it. | ||
| It's not the unknown. | ||
| So they have to fear-monger with this. | ||
| By the way, the federal government two years ago dug up frozen bodies near the North Pole of dead explorers and whalers, dug out the super-influenza that killed 40 people. | ||
| You're the one fear-mongering. | ||
| That is not fear-mongering. | ||
| So we've reached the knee-jerk talking point of comparing a public health concern to the flu in order to minimize it. | ||
| There were relatively few deaths from the 2002 outbreak of SARS, but a lot of that probably comes down to there being a robust response to it and us getting lucky. | ||
| Alex is just a little bit off on that flu story, too. | ||
| In 1998, researchers found fragments of the 1918 flu in six unearthed bodies from the Norwegian Arctic. | ||
| That flu is one that really scares scientists because it wasn't really clear why it was so deadly and how it moved so fast. | ||
| Research on that end of things is tough because there aren't exactly a ton of preserved samples of the flu that people can just work with. | ||
| Thus, the goal was to find some bodies who might have contained the virus but got rid of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They tried the time machine, but everybody was trying to kill Hitler with it, and then it collapsed in on itself after creating a paradox. | ||
| It was a terrible idea, so they just went for bodies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's go to the cold. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| So, from a New York Times article. | ||
| In a diary kept by the coal mining company here, Dr. Duncan found the names of seven men, 18 to 29 years old, farmers and fishermen who had just arrived here to earn extra money at winter jobs in the mine. | ||
| But they had contracted flu on the boat trip from the mainland and died in the first week of October 1918. | ||
| but ultimately they did not find samples that could be used for research since the bodies turned out to have not actually been buried in permafrost as they had expected. | ||
| Right. | ||
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If Alex was following this story, he probably should have known about this by 2003. | |
| But in reality, the details of this story aren't useful to him. | ||
| The only part of the story that has any value is the insinuations he can make out of sensational and inaccurate versions of the headline. | ||
| That's why it still lives on in this form. | ||
| It's just ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's a bit different from the story. | ||
| The story, they found living samples of the flu that killed 40 to 50 million people and they're turning it into a weapon. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The story of they went looking and didn't find anything, less scary. | ||
| Less. | ||
| Like at the beginning of a Godzilla movie, when Godzilla comes out of the water and starts blowing stuff up, you're like, whoa, that's scary! | ||
| But if it was just water, you'd be like, this is not a movie at all. | ||
| And then there's like a gecko. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, that's not a movie. | ||
| This is just a vista. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think, if I understand correctly from what I was looking at, it's... | ||
| The issue was they thought that the people were buried deeper than they were. | ||
| And so it would have preserved if it was like meters deep, but instead it was not even close. | ||
| And so the ground would have thawed and frozen and thawed and frozen, and therefore there's no... | ||
| Usable samples. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That's a true national treasure-ass moment. | ||
| That's Nicolas Cage being like, I figured it out. | ||
| We've come up with this long, circuitous route to get these samples, because we can't find them any other way. | ||
| We've dug to the fucking Norwegian Earth, and there's nothing. | ||
| Also, the article that I was reading maybe was a little unfair to the people who buried them. | ||
| They were blaming them. | ||
| Well, there were two speculations. | ||
| One was that they didn't want to dig all the way down because it was cold out. | ||
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These lazy past people. | |
| But you still mark down that it was that deep. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| But the other one was a little bit less sort of suspicious. | ||
| And that was like... | ||
| They might have been scared of being exposed to an illness. | ||
| I mean, it's the flu that killed 40 or 50 million people. | ||
| I wouldn't want to touch plague bodies. | ||
| Makes a little bit more sense and is less like these bums. | ||
| Yeah, that's a quick jump. | ||
| These lazy grave diggers won't help us save people from the flu in the future. | ||
| So Alex, talking about this a little bit, ends up mocking something that is, in hindsight, quite a good prediction. | ||
| The authorities could sequester not just people who were sick, but also people who might have Whoa! | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh! | ||
| It's a virtual certainty that sometimes in the near future we will see SARS-like event in the United States, a highly communicable infectious disease that will require mass quarantine or isolation, Dr. Items said. | ||
| We'll talk more about this and other key news, but this is their blueprint, their smokescreen for martial law. | ||
| Brace yourselves for it. | ||
| Or Dr. Iten was saying something that was pretty commonly accepted and known within medical and epidemiological communities. | ||
| Yeah, the problem with those predictions is that they are true, regardless of... | ||
| When or if they come... | ||
| Like, when they come true is not the important factor. | ||
| It's not like, oh, he predicted something amazing. | ||
| It's just like, no, this is an inevitability about... | ||
| That's how it works, man. | ||
| Yeah, it will rain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eventually. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And you can have an umbrella or you run the risk of getting wet. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| And getting rained on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These are the inevitabilities and the options. | ||
| That's the way it goes. | ||
| There are no other ways to go. | ||
| Right, I understand denying the rain. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You are still going to get wet, though. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I find it to be a little bit rich that Alex is kind of being smug about this when the guy was just like, totally right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course he was. | ||
| So, there's been some bombs in Russia. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We're not on Russia's team, though, in 2003. | ||
| No, we are not. | ||
| No, we're not. | ||
| Five killed in suicide attack in Russia. | ||
| A female suicide bomber detonated explosives in a car near Moscow's Red Square on Tuesday, killing five people and injuring 13. The Artar Tops news agency reported a blast took place on the capital's main shopping street near the National Hotel. | ||
| Ambulances were on their way to get eight victims. | ||
| Ten people were treated on the spot. | ||
| Windows on the first and second floor of the hotel were shattered. | ||
| She said Russian state television showed footage of broken windows of the car. | ||
| Alarms could be heard. | ||
| We've caught Putin blowing up buildings and bombing stuff, and then no body of the suicide bombers found. | ||
| There are real terrorists, but the majority of the time it's government. | ||
| Putin uses it as a police state crackdown. | ||
| So this one might be real. | ||
| But yeah, Alex says never, never heard of Russia or Putin. | ||
| Doing this kind of thing in the present. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| But in the past, he had caught him. | ||
| He caught him, and he said he does it. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Like, it's a regular, like, oh, man. | ||
| Yeah, for police state stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| You know, you just gotta do some police stating. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| You know, somebody's like, hey, I think this is a little too expensive, so you pretend that there's a car bomber or something. | ||
| You know, crackdown. | ||
| Putin has a habit of terrorizing his civilians with bombings. | ||
| I mean, there are real terrorists somewhere, but not in Russia. | ||
| That's all Putin. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Anyway, that's curious. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So, Alex takes a number of calls on this episode, and this caller has... | ||
| I mean, this is bad news. | ||
| I don't know how else to say it. | ||
| There's something that we know, and that is that Alex's films have a 90 to 95, 98% effectiveness rate. | ||
| They are super effective. | ||
| Yeah, they're dangerous. | ||
| They're more transmissible than most diseases. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But unfortunately, a caller calls in and says that people aren't enjoying them that much. | ||
| Whoa, whoa, multiple? | ||
| Alex, look. | ||
| If you get three or more of any of the ten titles, whether it's 9-11, Road to Tyranny, Masters of Terror, Police State 3, Total Enslavement, Dark Secrets Inside, Bohemian Grove, America Destroyed by Design, they drop down to $20 a piece. | ||
| They make great gifts. | ||
| And they're waking up roughly 80% to 90% of those that see the films. | ||
| Because lately I've been hearing from a few people that say folks aren't waking up. | ||
| All of them aren't waking up. | ||
| So I think that number's down to about 80% right now. | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| He keeps a mental average. | ||
| What insane thing is that to say? | ||
| Why would you edit it down? | ||
| Well, you gotta be modest. | ||
| You gotta stay humble. | ||
| But what? | ||
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Wait! | |
| I don't understand how... | ||
| Okay, so you're at 95%. | ||
| I think it's probably because there had been, like, some despondent-ish calls. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, there had been a couple people within the last week or so on his show who had said, like, you know, people aren't responding to X, Y, or Z. Right. | ||
| And so maybe just in the sake of, like, let's at least match the energy that the callers are bringing. | ||
| Let's not oversell this thing, because then it's going to look glaring. | ||
| We're down to 80. I mean, if you... | ||
| This is kind of like a negotiation strategy, you know? | ||
| You start so delusional that somehow the reasonable direction you take it is even more delusional. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And 80 is crazy high. | ||
| It's absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absurd! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, if you count politeness and people just be like, oh, great. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| Then maybe 80. That's just because people are nice. | ||
| I'd put it down to 20%. | ||
| At best. | ||
| At best. | ||
| I mean, look, how many family members does Mel Gibson have? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| That could swear. | ||
| That does skew the numbers. | ||
| So Alex is down on these tapes, man. | ||
| 80% to 90%? | ||
| 80% is rough. | ||
| That's a big hit. | ||
| When you say 80% to 90%, what you mean is 70%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, look, look, everyone's a little bit sad. | ||
| And that prompts, I think, a little bit of a conversation about how important and great Alex's tapes are. | ||
| Yes, Charles, go ahead. | ||
| Thank you for what you're doing, Mr. Jones. | ||
| I'd just like to say for this Christmas, all the listeners just wake up one person this Christmas. | ||
| We'll double our audience. | ||
| We'll be stronger. | ||
| We'll have a better chance to win this thing. | ||
| I really don't feel, Mr. Jones, we've got that much longer. | ||
| Well, I just read the New York Times. | ||
| Charles, have you seen the takeover? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Then you saw the local newscast and our own video, our own interview out there at the site. | ||
| Do they not have porta-potties, barbed wire fences, thousands of cots, and places to chain us down? | ||
| That was built in 1999. | ||
| Yeah, in the airport, they've got chains in the floor and all that. | ||
| And now... | ||
| Yeah, the old airport's a huge camp, and now they're openly in the New York Times telling us, oh, it's a new development for our safety, and they're building these in every town. | ||
| Well, yesterday they probably told the Jewish people to get them in a ghetto if it was for their safety. | ||
| They told them it was to stop infection and for their security and for their safety, and there was, of course, the delousing that took place when they herded them into the boxcars and then on into the chambers. | ||
| Mr. Jones, if everybody listening to this, just one person, just one, and everybody could do it, Mr. Jones. | ||
| I beg them, please, for our country, just wake up somebody in their family, a neighbor. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| We'll be twice as strong. | ||
| We'll have a better chance. | ||
| We don't have that much longer. | ||
| And, Mr. Jones, I can't let my wife go to a FINA camp, maybe be raped by some foreign troops. | ||
| Well, at that point, you know what you've got to do, bud. | ||
| We're trying to avert that, but if they want to pull it, it's going to happen. | ||
| And I would advise the police and everybody else to stay home and to not try it. | ||
| And please, I know you get tired of me talking about the tapes. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| But if everybody get the tape and get to somebody for Christmas, we would be twice as strong. | ||
| Just one of your tapes. | ||
| Any one of them. | ||
| Any one of them. | ||
| And believe me, it'll start the mind rolling. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| It'll start the mind thinking. | ||
| The tapes are the only way I got to fight. | ||
| It's the only way I got to fight. | ||
| And right now, my VCRs are giving me trouble. | ||
| I'm kind of shut down, but I'm going to start trying to put out 120 a month now. | ||
| This is so sad. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That bums me out so much. | ||
| That is the weirdest, creepiest Christmas message from Louisiana Dentures I've ever heard in my entire... | ||
| What the fuck was that? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Oh, please. | ||
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If just one of you would just give it to your neighbors. | |
| Please, Mr. Jones. | ||
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Just give it to your neighbors or your buddies or anybody you know. | |
| Just teach one. | ||
| Each one, teach one. | ||
| My VCR has given me troubles. | ||
| That was the saddest thing I think I've ever heard in my entire life. | ||
| My VCR is giving me troubles, but the... | ||
| Capes are the only way we can fight. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| God. | ||
| Bleak. | ||
| You're genuinely afraid that your wife is going to be taken to a FEMA camp and raped by a foreign soldier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what you think. | ||
| And the solution... | ||
| Is spread Alex's tapes around. | ||
| Do free publicity and marketing for Alex. | ||
| What happened in that man's brain? | ||
| Alex. | ||
| That poor, poor man. | ||
| Yep, Alex did. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Scaring people about a hundred different things so they can't keep track of anything and then selling them the solution. | ||
| But I mean, we talk about this a lot. | ||
| The impotence of Alex's... | ||
| Just sort of model. | ||
| And that guy is such a good example of that, where it's like, the only thing we can do is promote Alex's content. | ||
| This is the end-all, be-all of the fight against the globalists, is just being Alex's street team. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, the thing is, and this is a weird little side thing, what's strange to me about that? | ||
| Is that Alex talks almost non-stop about suicide bombers and all of these things. | ||
| People who are in an actual fight. | ||
| Driven to a point of desperation so serious that the only way they feel like they have to fight back, the only thing they have to fight back with is their life. | ||
| And he's telling these people they're in that type of fight, and the way they have to fight with everything they've got is by making videotapes. | ||
| Right, and giving them to people and fixing your VCR. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How does that not break through your cognitive dissonance? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| It bums me out, though. | ||
| It really, really, really bums me out. | ||
| I'm not one of these people who takes holidays too seriously. | ||
| I think you and I are both kind of like Christmas, raised Christian, of course, but have kind of a wariness of Christmas. | ||
| Just kind of like, yeah, whatever. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| But there is something about this guy being like, this Christmas, please make a copy of Alex's tape. | ||
| It does touch me! | ||
| It does! | ||
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It's like the worst miracle on 34th Street speech. | |
| It's like, please just believe in Santa again. | ||
| You're like, no! | ||
| It is from a bad Christmas movie. | ||
| It is! | ||
| It sounds so genuine. | ||
| It sounds so earnest. | ||
| It sounds like this man wants to leave the world a better place knowing that he doesn't have much time left. | ||
| It's fucked! | ||
| He's not saying, I don't have much time left. | ||
| He's like, we don't. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| He's like, the world is going to end. | ||
| But when an old man says, we don't have much time left, it could be dual. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, that call was a bummer. | ||
| And this call is a little bit more fun. | ||
| Jay in Colorado. | ||
| Jay, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hi, Alex. | |
| Welcome. | ||
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I know you don't like to go on too much about the videos. | |
| I know Jay has been that way with the call so far, but I've had a problem with the... | ||
| Delivery of mine, and it's not been just two weeks or anything like that. | ||
| It's been like six weeks. | ||
| I ordered a three-pack with the new one. | ||
| I'm not sure if the new one is holding the delivery of the other two, you know? | ||
| No, it's been released, and what you need to do is you need to call, because I'd say about one out of 100 videos, we get the wrong address or something, and it goes on and on. | ||
| You need to call this number right now. | ||
| 512-291-5750. | ||
| And we'll ship it out to you. | ||
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Is that the office machine and stuff? | |
| Yes. | ||
| 512-291-5750 for anybody that's had any trouble. | ||
| Now, what else is on your mind, sir? | ||
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Well, also, I also ordered the DVD. | |
| Yes. | ||
| And I had trouble playing on DVD players. | ||
| Same number. | ||
| Same number, man. | ||
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Same number. | |
| There's one number. | ||
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Whenever Tom Brokaw, whenever his name comes on the screen there, part four. | |
| Well, you need to call us, and we'll send you another one. | ||
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I can't get through to anybody. | |
| One number for ordering says they can't. | ||
| All they can do is order. | ||
| Well, sir, what happens is if you call 888-253-3139, that's an operator service, and they will give you my office number, and they will call you back today. | ||
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They haven't yet. | |
| I've left messages, and they've sent emails. | ||
| Let me put you on hold, and I'll get your phone number, sir. | ||
| 99% of people don't have a problem, but some do. | ||
| I'm going to put you on hold right now. | ||
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I got the other one in two and a half weeks. | |
| I got the other one in two and a half weeks. | ||
| Give me more details. | ||
| Did you order via the toll-free number? | ||
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I sure did. | |
| That's where all the problems are stemming from, and I may drop that service or get a new one, because the operators are writing addresses down wrong, and they're going to people's neighbors and stuff, and it's killing me. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| Let me finish. | ||
| I know! | ||
| You don't have your fucking tapes, man! | ||
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I get it! | |
| I'm in the middle of an explanation. | ||
| I know you're going to undercut this. | ||
| Let me fucking finish blaming the people at the call center for writing down the address. | ||
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I actually checked with the call center and they said that they had my address, right? | |
| They confirmed it. | ||
| I actually work at the call center. | ||
| I mean, we're good friends with all of those people. | ||
| So it is fun to hear. | ||
| Customer service call. | ||
| It reminds me of Tech Support with Bill Cooper. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| It is something else. | ||
| Alex just being annoyed. | ||
| He's just gotta sit there and take it. | ||
| He can't just be like, end call. | ||
| He's gotta be like, oh, let me try and help your problem, sir. | ||
| I don't know why you can't just hang up. | ||
| Be like, this is not an on-air problem, my man. | ||
| I gave you my number to call. | ||
| Please call that number. | ||
| Please don't continue telling me more things about how poorly my business is run. | ||
| I know it. | ||
| I think that maybe there's even a vulnerability that Alex has at this point in his career of like appearing that he has other people who do things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like shipping department and stuff like that. | ||
| He's got to be the one man business. | ||
| Yeah, it's a whole thing. | ||
| The idea should be that it's like him putting the... | ||
| He's putting stamps on the envelope. | ||
| He's you sending out buttons. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of the image. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think maybe... | ||
| Hanging up on the guy would kind of bust that a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's a good thing we don't do our call-in shows. | ||
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No. | |
| Because then people would call it and be like, um, I haven't gotten my button yet. | ||
| And we're like, yeah, you haven't. | ||
| It'll be there. | ||
| It'll be there. | ||
| I might eventually hang up on people. | ||
| No number to call. | ||
| No recourse. | ||
| It will be there. | ||
| So we have one last clip here. | ||
| And it's another caller who has an interesting story to tell about a national monument. | ||
|
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A couple other little quick things. | |
| Where we got the Statue of Liberty from, namely the Illuminati, supposedly, we know that torch above the head. | ||
| Yes, it's a giant transvestite, and that's mainstream, folks. | ||
| It is a male, or the unisex god-goddess, Lucifer, with the Illuminati torch and the sun god crown. | ||
| And that's what the maker of France said. | ||
| I've read mainstream books about it. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Mainstream books. | ||
| And it's an Illuminati symbol. | ||
| Yeah, we have mainstream books. | ||
| Mainstream books have made it very clear to anyone who wants that information. | ||
| Well, and the French sculptor has even said this. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So this should be widely known that the United States symbol of freedom and hope Is actually an Illuminati devil. | ||
| It's the devil. | ||
| It's either a cross-dresser or it is the devil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's got an Illuminati crown and torch of... | ||
| Prometheus, I guess, maybe. | ||
| Yeah, none of this is based on anything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There was speculation that it was based on the sculptor's mother, and then some people had suggested that the sculptor's brother also looks fairly similar. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| There might be family resemblance. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Kind of thing. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| Some of those theories pop around. | ||
| This isn't something that Alex is pulling out of thin air. | ||
| There are people who bandy these ideas about the model for it could have been his brother or something along those lines. | ||
| But it's saying it's in mainstream books and the sculptor said... | ||
| Alex is just trying to be more interesting than he actually is. | ||
| I'm going to tell you this right now. | ||
| If you start worrying about what sculptures are based off of, then you're going to be... | ||
| Secret? | ||
| Michelangelo's David? | ||
| Not actually David. | ||
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What? | |
| Wasn't actually him. | ||
| What? | ||
| Michelangelo didn't even know the guy. | ||
| Never met him. | ||
| And Venus did have a head and arms. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's a common misconception. | ||
| She didn't have an arm, but she did have a head, and then the other arm fell off. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Somebody stole the head. | ||
| Does the statue have no head and no arms? | ||
| No, it has a head. | ||
| It has no arms. | ||
| Where'd I get the no head from? | ||
| There's another sculpture that has no heads. | ||
| There's plenty of sculptures that have no heads. | ||
| Yeah, you said it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You can take any sculpture right now, and you can make it not have a head. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So, the ninth, you know, big picture. | ||
| Complaining about SARS being a bioweapon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So that's a good bit of fun. | ||
| There's an issue. | ||
| And then a lot of stuff about these tapes. | ||
| He calls about, like, customer service and sad Christmas movie speech about these tapes. | ||
| That was a sad speech. | ||
| Yeah, a bizarre preoccupation. | ||
| And then also Alex has a little bit of a sit-down with his water filter sponsor. | ||
| So that's... | ||
| That's the Christmas spirit. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get to the 10th, and Alex has a... | ||
| It's Wednesday, the 10th of December, 2003. | ||
| I'm your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| We'll be live for the next three hours. | ||
| In the third hour of the show, I have one of the lawyers for the young people at Goose Creek Public School where the police did what can only be described as a Nazi or Soviet-style martial law raid. | ||
| These have actually been going on around the country for about ten years. | ||
| Becoming more frequent, but Big Brother's own surveillance turned against them, and now part of the video that wasn't released has been released, and it shows the dog, the German Shepherd, savaging their backpacks, grabbing the backpack, shaking its head, stepping and stomping and jumping on the... | ||
| Terrified children. | ||
| So this story sucks. | ||
| It's a tragedy, and I'm going to guess that Alex is going to miss the forest for the trees talking about it, because he always does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On November 5th, 2003, the police in Goose Creek, South Carolina, conducted a raid on students at Stratford High School after the principal decided that one student was possibly selling weed. | ||
| The student body of the school is less than 25% African American, but over, quote, more than two-thirds of those caught up in the sweep were African American. | ||
| Ultimately, no drugs or weapons were found and no charges were ever filed. | ||
| Great. | ||
| A cynical view of things might lead one to assume that the only reason that this became a story at all is because there was surveillance video of the raid itself and this is kind of bleak shit to imagine that this could conceivably be happening in other schools. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what that must be like. | ||
| One of the reasons that this story proceeded the way that it did is because 20 of the students who were the subject of this raid were represented by the ACLU, who had the resources to take this all the way to a settlement, which changed the way that the school district handled searches and established a fund for the students who were victimized to cover medical expenses and therapy. | ||
| This lawyer that Alex has on is a member of a legal team that is also representing some students, and that's great as well. | ||
| So much of this comes down to a conversation about race, and I think it's pretty clear that Alex isn't going to address that. | ||
| One of the reasons that this case is particularly suspicious was the timing of the raid, which took place at 6.45 a.m. | ||
| The reason this is suspicious is because that was prior to the arrival time of most of the school's buses. | ||
| The only buses that had arrived were the ones that picked up students who lived relatively close, which was a group that was predominantly black. | ||
| In essence, the school, intentionally or not, created a situation where the primarily white students would arrive at school to a scene of mostly black students being searched and made to kneel while police held them at gunpoint. | ||
| It's a dehumanizing scene, and the race aspect of it is pretty much impossible to ignore. | ||
| But we'll see how Alex tries. | ||
| I mean, I just... | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| It's gonna have to be a lot of effort. | ||
| It's going to have to be a lot of effort to pretend that this is not about race. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think you could probably make a couple of interesting ways around this. | ||
| One is that it's not all about race. | ||
| There's a large portion of it that's race. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| And maybe if you want to focus on some of those other things to the exclusion of the larger conversation... | ||
| Issue. | ||
| That's the way Alex might proceed. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| No, no, see, see, it's economic, see? | ||
| Because it's all about economics because it's just regional. | ||
| It's just, it's the areas. | ||
| Right, and then he could just be like, well, it's police state. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, wow. | ||
| And I think that that is, you know, there is a truth to it, that this is inappropriate policing of anybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, having, you know, dogs and... | ||
| Doing a search of a school over something that has no... | ||
| You have no probable cause or no real reason outside of a hunch kind of level of evidence. | ||
| It's intrusive, at very least. | ||
| Yeah, all of the laws that we have should keep that from happening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it seems like the laws are being used to make that happen, which is an issue. | ||
| And, you know, that is fair enough that there is, like... | ||
| The police state-y aspects of this. | ||
| But, again, to focus on that without looking at the broader picture of it, I think it's not dealing with the story as it is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's absurd. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| Alex talks a little bit about a news story about this raid. | ||
| And this is dumb. | ||
| And Department Procedure says that they can only search someone one at a time and that you cannot have a whole group being searched. | ||
| In an illegal narcotics detection suite, only after the on-scene supervisor has cleared the area of all personnel will the canine enter and conduct an illegal narcotics detection. | ||
| So you take the clothes, the backpack off, the coats off. | ||
| You do not have the dog do it while the person's dressed. | ||
| And this was a German Shepherd trained in drug detection in Czechoslovakia and trained in attack. | ||
| So we have attack dogs. | ||
| So for one thing, Czechoslovakia dissolved in 1993. | ||
| So if this dog was trained there, that's a pretty old dog. | ||
| That's an old dog. | ||
| I have no idea why a small town department in South Carolina would outsource their drug dog training to Eastern Europe, but that seems kind of cost prohibitive. | ||
| If you want the best, you have to pay for it. | ||
| There's a really big police dog training center in North Carolina. | ||
| Sure, but they don't know how to do it quite as well as Slovakia does, okay? | ||
| The Czech Republic, once they split apart, their dog training... | ||
| Went to shit! | ||
| So, I was really confused about this, but I traced down the article that Alex is reading from, and it turns out that it says the dog is a Czechoslovakian shepherd. | ||
| Alex is taking the dog's breed and pretending that it means that the dog was trained in Europe. | ||
| I guess because it makes the dog sound more scary, more dangerous. | ||
| I will say this, I am slightly more terrified of an Eastern European German Shepherd than I am. | ||
| If it was trained in Eastern Europe, I feel like that's a stereotypically terrifying place to train something at. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Also, at no point in the article does it say that the dog, whose name is Major, they don't say that it's a trained attack dog. | ||
| This is, at best, Alex lying about a part in the article that describes the difference between passive Alex is either lying about this or just making up a detail to create an angle for the audience to hang on to that doesn't involve the clear racism that underlies this story. | ||
| Everything about the raid and the search sucks, and I'm not minimizing any of that stuff. | ||
| I'm just saying that Alex is not a good source of information on anything. | ||
| If you have the article he's reporting on in front of you, and you watch along as Alex reads, it often becomes really clear how his process works. | ||
| He's basically just skimming along and finding words to use as anchor points, and in this case, Czechoslovakia is a pretty glaring and embarrassing one. | ||
| This behavior is constant and consistent throughout his career. | ||
| So generally, if people listen to Alex, it's probably best for them to double-check his work. | ||
| So you can tell how much of it is just shit he's making up to sound smarter and more interesting while putting literally zero effort into doing any show prep. | ||
| Because why would you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He knows that the shit that he's saying isn't true, so why put time into preparing? | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it almost works to your disadvantage because if you have a... | ||
| Well-prepared lie. | ||
| It's too good to be true. | ||
| You need to maintain flexibility. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And if you prepare too much, then you kind of want to stick with it so you can't change it as much later on. | ||
| You're like, no, no, no. | ||
| I put a lot of work into this bullshit. | ||
| I'm not going to just go ahead and say that Putin's a good guy now. | ||
| No. | ||
| This dog was trained in Czechoslovakia, damn it. | ||
| He was trained in Czechoslovakia, god damn it! | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I can't believe that that's... | ||
| How do you... | ||
| So I got something a little bit backwards, and that is on the 9th, the first show, Alex had a short interview with Larry Pratt from Gun Owners of America. | ||
| It's actually on the 10th that his water filter sponsor comes in. | ||
| And here's a little taste of that. | ||
| Every corner of the country has found massive levels of Prozac, herbicides, pesticides, dead bacteria, if you're lucky. | ||
| A lot of times live bacteria, but dead bacteria are bad enough. | ||
| They're toxic. | ||
| Little microscopic pieces of rotten meat, basically. | ||
| It's time to filter our water, isn't it? | ||
| It really is. | ||
|
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And, Alex, we've got a couple of Christmas specials that we want to share with the folks. | |
| You can't say Christmas. | ||
| It's politically incorrect. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Holidays. | ||
| We may be arrested for thought crime. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Let's keep that straight, then. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Can't say Christmas. | ||
| Got a war on it. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I have some very left... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Unseed and destroy God type liberal? | ||
| Attack and dethrone God? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A number of them said Merry Christmas. | ||
| I've said Merry Christmas to you many times. | ||
| I don't think anybody cares. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I don't think anyone cared in 2003 and they care less 19 years later. | ||
| Even less. | ||
| Even less. | ||
| But yeah, that's a lot of fun. | ||
| One of the things that I think is interesting to note, too, is that I'm noticing a It's a trend in this period of Alex's career where a lot of the ad stuff is brokered programming, but it's pretty clear what it is. | ||
| It's strange because it doesn't feel like they're trying to hide that they are an infomercial. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They're still blending content and the pitch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is for sure. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And I think it's really difficult to tell what's leading what. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you would never... | ||
| Mistake this for not a sponsored bit of time. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Whereas in the present day and closer to the present day, that line blurs quite a bit. | ||
| Yeah, this is very clearly, this is the segment where I'm going to make money by letting this guy try and make money. | ||
| That's the segment. | ||
| We all know it. | ||
| I'm going to say that it's... | ||
| And Alex even makes clear while they're, I think it's actually just after the guy leaves, that he pays for all of the bandwidth. | ||
| Stuff on Shortwave. | ||
| So, like, he pays for all of that, and in exchange he comes on and they sell his water filters. | ||
| That's a reasonable agreement. | ||
| And I'm sure maybe Alex makes some money on top of that, too. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Maybe he gets a taste of each filter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Ethically speaking, you know, you're not trying to pull a fast one on anybody. | ||
| Yeah, as long as you're not trying to deceive people, then yeah. | ||
| I mean, the question of deceit really just does come down to, like... | ||
| Are you focusing on and exaggerating water-based issues in order to sell water filters and ignoring other real water issues like parts of the country that don't have access to clean water? | ||
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Totally. | |
| Because those aren't people who could afford your water filters. | ||
| Totally fair. | ||
| Totally fair. | ||
| There's ethical angles in that, but... | ||
| But in terms of just trying to be like, we're not doing an ad when we are, that seems to be a bit different at this point. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the ethical issues with this are more similar to when breakfast cereal showed you what a balanced breakfast looked like. | ||
| And it was like... | ||
| Bacon, eggs, ham, six pieces of fruit, two glasses of milk, and orange juice, all to make it seem like the amount of sugar you are cramming into your body is not an unacceptable amount. | ||
| Yeah, there's some information missing. | ||
| So, on the 10th, Alex takes calls again. | ||
| He takes calls in the past, man. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| He takes calls. | ||
| A lot of them are the same people. | ||
| That does sound true. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There are fewer guests. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Man. | ||
| Man, oh man. | ||
| In the same way that he's not going to sell out a theater without giving away tickets. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's not going to open the phones without the same fucking people calling in. | ||
| Oh, we're not getting Louisiana Dentures, are we? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| I can't handle another Christmas message. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's another character that we know, though. | ||
| Is it Old Man House Phone? | ||
| It's Dan in Illinois. | ||
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No! | |
| Dan in Illinois! | ||
| He's on all the time. | ||
| He must have the hotline number, because he is constantly on. | ||
| And I don't play every time he's around, because I don't want it to be excessive. | ||
| Like, I'm Dan, I live in Illinois, this guy's Dan in Illinois. | ||
| And he's not the co-host of InfoWars. | ||
| No. | ||
| But this bears mentioning, I think he might be an anti-Semite. | ||
| Let's talk to Dan in Illinois, then Greg, Jan. | ||
| And Ethan and Lesanne and others. | ||
| Dan, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| How are you doing, Alex? | ||
| Good, sir. | ||
|
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You know, I'm a little confused about all the protesting against Mel Gibson's film or anything else like that. | |
| Well, it doesn't work when they show it. | ||
| Mel Gibson was here Sunday, showed it to all the liberals, and they loved it. | ||
| So it kind of blew up in the ADL's face. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
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Christians, by their existence, believe that Christ is God. | |
| Jewish people, by their fact that they remain Jewish, say they wasn't. | ||
| So if he wasn't God, he was a blasphemer, like it says in the Bible. | ||
| Well, the leftists don't like Christians in Christianity, period, and they'll attack anything Christian. | ||
| Look at the Ten Commandments. | ||
|
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I mean, is it truly a leftist thing, or is it more of a Jewish thing? | |
| Wow! | ||
| I am going to change my name and move from Illinois. | ||
| I don't want to be associated with them from Illinois. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out here. | ||
| Maybe the problem that people have with your religion isn't so much the religion part so much as the part where it makes you go, well, since they don't believe Jesus is God, and that means that they believe that he's a blasphemer, so obviously we should kill him. | ||
| That's the religion part. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That's where it comes into conflict. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The idea that there is a failing of other people because they have not become part of your religion that is where It causes problems. | ||
| Like, here's the thing. | ||
| Nobody's mad if you say Merry Christmas to them. | ||
| Nobody's mad. | ||
| Generally. | ||
| People are mad if you say, you have to celebrate Christmas, and if you don't say Merry Christmas back to me, you're the devil. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| I'm perfectly happy to say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays to anybody. | ||
| Whatever you want. | ||
| I don't mind. | ||
| I don't want someone yelling at me to say Merry Christmas. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's all I want. | ||
| There's no war from my end. | ||
| Not for my end! | ||
| My war is please leave me alone. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| Don't yell at me. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| So anyway, fuck Dan in Illinois. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What a prick. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| So Alex gets another call, and another thing that happens a bit in 2003 is callers call in, and this may be Alex's, like, coast-to-coast training, is that callers will call in with silly ideas, and he will just be like, you bet! | ||
| Let's roll with it. | ||
| Do a little improv. | ||
|
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I wanted to go into something else that I think is kind of interesting, and I want to know if you've heard anything about this. | |
| Someone told us, you know someone in Washington, D.C., that the higher-ups have been told to leave before the year 2006. | ||
| They're out to relocate with their families. | ||
| I know that most elites, most people who are billionaires, are building armored compounds in islands off the U.S. coast, east coast, west coast, in the Caribbean. | ||
| They are getting islands in the Mediterranean, islands in the South Pacific. | ||
| And, yes, there is a massive... | ||
| So this caller is asking... | ||
| Based on intel that she has gotten, the higher-ups have a plan to evacuate by 2006. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| And Alex's response is they're buying up islands. | ||
| Better believe it. | ||
| And yes. | ||
| You have no idea how much... | ||
| You think that they're trying to escape, but you don't even know how much they're trying to escape. | ||
| I know they're trying to escape so much more than you do. | ||
| I'm the most knowing that they are trying to escape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You think you've got intelligence, you Maria Bamford character with whatever voice that is. | ||
| This is a yes. | ||
| This is a signing off. | ||
| If you're this person who's calling in, you're going to leave this phone call with, boy, my intel is good. | ||
| Alex has signed off. | ||
| Those people who told me that insane thing are very trustworthy people, and I can't wait to hear what they have to say next. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And this extends to other things, like maybe people who are clearly in an episode and are sovereign citizens. | ||
|
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Well, this is very simple. | |
| This is very simple. | ||
| It is. | ||
| What I'm getting at is the definition pertaining to U.S. Code 12, 23,215, paragraph A. The meaning of the United States is a federal corporation. | ||
| You're a citizen of a federal corporation! | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah, they replace the rightful government with a corporation of the same name. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| The last point that I want to make here is, when they ask you for your ID, whether you're on the street or being stopped by a police officer or in a court system, present your ID. | ||
| What is it that you present? | ||
| You present your driver's license. | ||
| Look at your driver's license. | ||
| Their name is spelled in all capital letters. | ||
| They're not looking at you as the human. | ||
| They're looking for doom. | ||
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You're right. | |
| We're a corporation. | ||
| We're a corporate entity. | ||
| A fictional corporate entity. | ||
| And that's all you want. | ||
| And that's what we need to turn around is our court system and turn this around and then we'll get back. | ||
| Yeah, they get us to sign away our rights through treaties with the government through contracts. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Right. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They've found common ground in weird sovereign citizen shit. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| So yeah, there's just a call in with some... | ||
| Silly nonsense, and Alex is going to be like, you bet, this all works for me. | ||
| This comports with my bizarre right-wing weirdoness. | ||
| But, unfortunately, sometimes there are callers who have ideas that run counter to Alex's... | ||
| Sort of worldview. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And this can't stand, and Alex has to push back on them. | ||
| For instance, he gets another call, and it's from a guy who has actually read Operation Northwoods. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| And has a little bit of a concern about how... | ||
| Oh, what could be a concern for somebody who's actually read it? | ||
| Well, it doesn't necessarily say that, like, people are gonna be killed or anything. | ||
| Well, there's that problem, yeah. | ||
| And Alex maybe is a little bit off on it. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Well, you've got it in front of you. | ||
| I'm going from memory. | ||
| Page 9 talks about having their paramilitary forces shoot people in D.C. and Miami, and then how to frame patsies. | ||
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I've got page 9 in front of me here. | |
| Ah, shit! | ||
|
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They would say a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida, real or simulated. | |
| Hang up! | ||
| See, I told you. | ||
| You just said what I just said. | ||
| Real or simulated. | ||
| Real or simulated. | ||
| But on the other ones, there was no... | ||
| It just talked about... | ||
| You're not... | ||
| No, it does talk about shooting our troops and shooting people. | ||
| No, I'm just talking about the ones about the unarmed... | ||
| I think, from memory, and you've got it in front of you, I think four times they talk about killing people and wounding them. | ||
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Yeah, they do mention that there are some things that they would do, and they're sort of vague in a couple... | |
| Yeah, they're not clear if they're going to kill John Glenn or not. | ||
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Yeah, so... | |
| Then you say, if he died, it'd be helpful. | ||
| We could blame it on the commies. | ||
| This is just bullying that Alex is doing. | ||
| Alex has rehearsed talking points about Northwoods, which he uses to lend undeserved support to his conspiracies about things like 9-11 and the then-recent Beltway sniper attacks, aren't going to stand up to a person just reading the document. | ||
| This is dicey territory, so Alex has to do two things that you see demonstrated in that clip. | ||
| The first thing is the absurd victory that he claims over this caller. | ||
| Alex claims that the document says that the globalists' paramilitary forces will shoot people in D.C. and Miami, and then explains how to set up patsies. | ||
| This isn't really accurate. | ||
| The document talks about developing a communist Cuban terror plot, quote, pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. | ||
| This wouldn't involve killing anyone or... | ||
| or any paramilitary groups, although it does say it may involve up to wounding. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
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They also say that, quote, the arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government. | |
| This is fairly close to discussing how to blame a patsy, but it's unclear if the Cuban agents they're referring to would actually be blamed for anything, or if the goal would just be to arrest some agents in order to create public perception that they should be to blame, or there's even parts of this plan That suggests using Cuban friendlies in order to pretend to be Cuban communists in order to make it look like they were attacking something. | ||
| So these Cuban agents might even be dummies that they're talking about. | ||
| It's a whole cockamamie plan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's splitting hairs a little bit here, so I'm going to go ahead and give Alex half credit. | ||
| The document does suggest creating false perception about who's to blame for false... | ||
| Stuff. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| The caller then reads the part about sinking real or simulated ship of refugees, and I suspect that Alex knows that this is as close as he's going to get to a win, so he pretends that this fully supports what he just claimed, but it doesn't. | ||
| Alex needs this appearance of a win in order to project the air of frustration and that he's always right when people question him. | ||
| This goes a long way towards the second aspect of this clip, putting that in motion, which is to force the caller to accept the notion that everything is vague. | ||
| And because of that, all of Alex is unsupported and extreme conclusions are actually what the document saying. | ||
| Yeah, it's a demand that the caller read the words on the page that aren't there because Alex insists that they are And it's something that the audience watches. | ||
| At some level, they probably understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex understands reality better than you do, so you need to subvert your reality to him. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's a very bizarre and scary message. | ||
| It's the most fucked up example of just, I mean, it's a big bully with authority while you're holding a book, yelling at you to say that the book says what they tell you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doesn't matter what the book says, you say what they say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's that it worked. | ||
| And that it worked over the phone? | ||
| That's fucked up, man. | ||
| Well, that's the extremeness of the power imbalance. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I can get it more if it's Alex's imposing frame and you're on a desk trying to read quietly and he's got his big ass up in front of you. | ||
| But over the phone, man, just say no! | ||
| I'm reading this sentence! | ||
| So I was actually reading through Northwoods and trying to find the instances of things that could... | ||
| Could be construed as, like, actual violence. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That they're suggesting. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And the closest thing, really, is that sinking a boatload of Cuban refugees en route to Florida, and then in parentheses it says real or simulated. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is kind of the closest thing you're going to get in there, and, I mean... | ||
| I think that even in the context of the document and the other stuff they're saying, even a real sinking of the boat wouldn't involve killing refugees. | ||
| It would be like, it's a real boat, we're really sinking it, and then there'll be life rafts and stuff for everybody. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Or the people who are on board will be... | ||
| Well, I mean, but... | ||
| But that's the point of the document is coming up with a plan that isn't, let's just go blow people up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, the whole idea is... | ||
| That would be very easy for them just to do. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| If that were the goal, you would not need this. | ||
| If we wanted violence, violence is our jam, man. | ||
| We've got so much violence all around us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Now I want to say one thing really clearly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Make no mistake. | ||
| that document would lead to a whole lot of death. | ||
| Oh, it's a terrible idea. | ||
| Due to the whole goal of it being to provide a justification to attack Cuba before they had time to enter a mutual defense pact with the Soviet Union. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Even the suggestions that they have about just harassing Cuba could have severe consequences, leaving aside any of the false flag ideas you might take away from the document. | |
| It was a bad document, and it's a good thing that it was flatly rejected because it would have resulted in a ton of deaths. | ||
| However, none of that death would be due to the false flags that were suggested Right. | ||
| Another thing that people don't bring up often enough about that, Operation Northwood, an incredibly stupid plan. | ||
| Not very well... | ||
| It's a bad plan. | ||
| It's not going to achieve the goals that they think it's going to achieve. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's also not a plan. | ||
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No. | |
| It's sort of a... | ||
| Elevator pitch. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| List of elevator pitches. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's throwing spaghetti at the wall. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm not saying it's like, okay, here's our coordinated strategy, obviously. | ||
| It's the NSA or whoever has the document that was released. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The full thing is 15 pages, but... | ||
| It's only a few pages of the actual document. | ||
| The other are other sheets, like the cover page and stuff like that. | ||
| It's not a long document, and none of it is very well articulated about how these plans would work. | ||
| One of the plans they have is just, like, start rumors, and then the parentheses says, lots of them. | ||
| It does feel like it's more of a picture of one of those giant school classroom whiteboards with everybody's ideas written on it really small, and then somebody just took a picture, and they're like, yeah, see? | ||
| That's the plan. | ||
| We got it. | ||
| The actual appendix, which is where the sort of descriptions of plans are in, starts on page 10. Yeah, so the reason that it's confusing is because there's a numbering of the pages from the original page, like at the bottom of the page, and what page it is in terms of the 15 pages that were released. | ||
| In terms of the pages that were released, it starts on page 10, and then it goes through 15. So it's just those five pages. | ||
| And yeah, one of them is start rumors, parentheses, many. | ||
| Use clandestine radio. | ||
| That's just a wish list. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Start rumors. | ||
| Parentheses. | ||
| Just one, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of them is start riots near the base main gate. | ||
| And then parentheses, friendly Cubans. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| That's not very specific. | ||
| No, nailed it. | ||
| Put it up on the wall. | ||
| Jenkins, put it up on the wall. | ||
| It's going up. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What else anybody got? | ||
| Large fires. | ||
| Scooters. | ||
| I like that. | ||
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Scooters. | |
| Who's got scooters? | ||
| Put it up on the board. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| I heard children's hands with nothing else around it. | ||
| What was else going on there? | ||
| Also, apparently, outer space. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Yeah, you have to take that document in total for the spirit of it. | ||
| And it talks about killing real people. | ||
| Killing Marines, killing Cubans, shooting people in D.C., bombing D.C., wounding people, killing people. | ||
| If John Glenn was to have an accident while in orbit, that would be helpful. | ||
| I mean, you've got to read the whole thing, which you've obviously done. | ||
| If you've got some friend who picks out a part where they say, well, it says it could be simulated, yeah, it says it could be real, too. | ||
| Well, how are you not picking out something? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Look, space? | ||
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John Glenn is going to get false flagged in orbit? | |
| Listen, we just figured out space. | ||
| Like, just figured it out. | ||
| Yeah, this document was from 1962. | ||
| Actually, I looked at the dates. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| Two weeks after John Glenn left for his first orbit in 1962. | ||
| So, now that we've got that figured out, obviously we also have the capability to knock it out of orbit magically without actually hurting him. | ||
| Now, do you know what the big problem with this is? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| When you say big, that's a relative value judgment. | ||
| What is the premise? | ||
| Of these false flags. | ||
| Like, what's the desired end goal? | ||
| I believe it's to stop the Cubans from getting involved with the thing. | ||
| It's to provide a justification to attack Cuba. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A pretext. | ||
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Right. | |
| So whatever you do needs to be blamed on Cuba. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Cuba shot John Glenn out of atmosphere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a little big problem with this. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| Now, I know that you and I would both think in order to, say, shoot John Glenn out of space, you would need a rocket and the capability to fire things into space, the likes of which were in short supply at that time period. | ||
| 1962? | ||
| And so much so that they were all monitored. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, like, I guess you could make an argument that they have, you know, alliance with the Soviet Union, and maybe they have rockets and such, but at that point, if space is involved, you're dealing with the Soviet Union, not Cuba. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's not really... | ||
| Then Cuba is like a, hey, we'll get to you later. | ||
| We got Russia shooting people out of space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| John Glenn being false flagged in space is not going to be a pretext for war with Cuba. | ||
| Of all things, if they... | ||
| Kind of a concept issue. | ||
| If you had actually convinced the world that John Glenn was shot out of space by the Soviet Union, that's a world war, right? | ||
| You can't just shoot a man out of space. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| Everybody's got to solve that problem first. | ||
| That's my rule. | ||
| When did the rules about no militarization of space come into play? | ||
| I think they came into play in the 50s? | ||
| I'm not sure, but if it was before that, then you could make an argument that it's the Wild West. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Well, I didn't know it was wrong at the time. | ||
| Yeah, I just think that this is stupid. | ||
| Let man make no space law. | ||
| I gotta say, this is not in Operation Northwest. | ||
| False flagging John Glenn in space. | ||
| Not on the list. | ||
| Alongside start rumors. | ||
| Start rumors. | ||
| Parentheses many. | ||
| Parentheses is one of them. | ||
| John Glenn got shot out of space by Cuba. | ||
| And parentheses and parentheses. | ||
| Here's another one of the suggestions. | ||
| Now, consider the jump. | ||
| Between this and Space False Flag. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Quote, lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. | ||
| Some damage to installations. | ||
| Listen, you gotta have low-tech and high-tech operations at the same time. | ||
| People protect themselves against one or the other. | ||
| You can't be protected against both, Dan. | ||
| They use the word lob. | ||
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Lob! | |
| Toss them over! | ||
| Shot put. | ||
| Throw a couple grenades nearby somebody's house. | ||
| Yeah, I think maybe Alex doesn't have a great handle on this dock. | ||
| Might not. | ||
| So, Alex gets another call. | ||
| This is a fella from Denmark. | ||
| Very exciting to get an international caller. | ||
| Not so exciting to find out that he's maybe an anti-Semite. | ||
| Are you saying that the ADL is there to demonize anybody? | ||
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They are the arms of the Illuminati every time you attack the Illuminati. | |
| Well, I have found if you attack government corruption in any way and never say a word of racism, you will be attacked by the ADL. | ||
| If you're a real-life Nazi, you will be loved and supported and completely ignored by the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Simon Wiesenthal Center. | ||
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The Southern Poverty Law Center is Jewish, too, I understand. | |
| The management of this is Jewish. | ||
| Maybe they have some kind of connection to the anti-demonflation. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe that... | ||
| Well, there's a lot of organizations. | ||
| Look, it's a horrible thing to throw at somebody that's racist or whatever. | ||
| Way to push back on that. | ||
| It's so horrible to be called racist. | ||
| Yeah, that response isn't good. | ||
| Both from the caller and from Alex. | ||
| Just, you know, it's maybe startling. | ||
| To go back and, you know, just see the kind of consistency of these types of callers and Alex's complete inability or unwillingness to push back on stuff in any meaningful way. | ||
| Yeah, you know, you'd think over time that something would have changed in some way. | ||
| Like, he would have gotten more prepared for them or, like, would be more capable of pushing back or more capable of, like... | ||
| Closing the conversation down without having to go to... | ||
| But it seems like it's been pretty much the same, like... | ||
| A lot of groups. | ||
| Wish you hadn't said that, but, you know, what you gonna do? | ||
| That sounds nice. | ||
| Actually, I agree with you. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| You could be forgiven, I think, if you're in Alex's audience, if you came away with the impression that, like, he agrees with all of the most toxic, awful viewpoints, but... | ||
| He doesn't want to say things to protect his own bottom line or whatever. | ||
| I don't think that that's necessarily the case, but it would not be very difficult to talk yourself into it if you're listening to this and you have those horrible, toxic beliefs. | ||
| I mean, just based on all the non-word clues, you know, like the non-verbal clues, you know, like the tone of voice, the way that he's pausing, all of those little things could definitely make you add up to being like, well, he didn't say his first and honest response. | ||
| He said what he was supposed to to make the money. | ||
| Yeah, the refusal to... | ||
| Even really recognize this guy is saying that, like, the Jews run all of these groups that you are saying are evil and are, like, out to get patriots and destroy Christians. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You're not even... | ||
| You're just leaving that there. | ||
| Alex, I'm telling you the thing that you're telling me, and you're just going, like, maybe. | ||
| So this guy, Alex keeps him on for a while, and he asks him about... | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| I mean, you got a Denmarkian who hates Jews? | ||
| Come on! | ||
| He asks him about, like, opposition to the EU. | ||
| And Alex has some stats wrong about the EU. | ||
| And then this guy goes for it even more. | ||
| Most European countries have not allowed a referendum because in all the nations I've seen polls on, 70-plus percent of the people are against being under the EU, but still it expands and expands and expands. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Are the people that you talk to in Denmark, are they against the EU? | ||
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Most of them. | |
| Even the Jews. | ||
| Man! | ||
| So the question is, why are you under the EU then? | ||
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You know, the Rothschilds control the media here in Denmark, too. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, sir. | ||
| Well, I appreciate your call from Denmark, and please spread the word, and thanks for holding. | ||
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I will do that. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| So, yeah, the Rothschilds run the media, and that's why you like the EU. | ||
| Even the Jews don't like the EU, apparently. | ||
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I mean... | |
| Also, those numbers are way off in terms of approval of the EU. | ||
| The EU is very popular. | ||
| It might be actually the inverse in most countries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you could probably find a couple. | ||
| I know that Greece was a bit lower on the favorability of the EU. | ||
| They got hosed more than once. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think now, though, everybody in the EU is watching Great Britain eat itself alive, and I think they're all like, Woo-hoo! | ||
| We're still in the EU, douchebags! | ||
| And let me actually just say, in full disclosure, the numbers that I was talking about are from 2022. | ||
| They aren't relevant fully to 2003. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I don't think that they've swung this far. | ||
| The median is 26% unfavorable, 72% favorable. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| Greece is the outlier here with 49% unfavorable, 50% favorable. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you recall what happened whenever the 2008 financial collapse and they forced Greece to eat it, essentially. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| Instead of writing off all of the debt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, like, outside of the EU, even strong favorability among the countries polled by the Pew Research Center, 27% unfavorability among the 19-country median that they looked at, and 69% favorable. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Alex is off, and this guy's an anti-Semite from Denmark. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I just don't feel like maybe anti-Semites from Denmark and Alex don't have their fingers on the pulse of the mainstream. | ||
| They also don't have good chemistry. | ||
| You could tell how this call was falling apart there at the end, and Alex had to like, you take care now. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| So we have one last clip, and this is Alex fulfilling the promise of talking to the lawyer of the students from Stratford High School in South Carolina. | ||
| Not a very long interview, and this caller, he has ended up being there for some calls. | ||
| Pretty unfortunate, because the... | ||
| The lawyer himself is a black man and he brings up the dynamic that's at play with the video recording of the actual raid being similar to the Rodney King beating in terms of people being able to see the actual thing elicits an emotional response and people experience it far more vividly than things that they can only abstractly think about. | ||
| Then a number of callers call in and say, how dare you compare this to Rodney King? | ||
| He was a horrible criminal. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| He has to explain, oh no, that's not what I meant. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| But he seems like just a lawyer who's trying to do a case and what have you. | ||
| Do a good job. | ||
| And Alex actually does kind of bring up the racial. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, but it's unsatisfying, unfulfilling. | ||
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When you have snarling dogs that are trained to attack, trained to be accomplices to police in their police activities, they're used to dealing with criminals. | |
| And of course, they're meant to subdue the criminals and to use that on high school students aged 13 through 17. I think what's shocking is the imagination, what shocks the imagination is. | ||
| Well, I have to tell you, I'm not just saying this because two-thirds of the students singled out were black. | ||
| I've seen film of South Africa in the 80s where they would have everybody line up on their knees and watching police dogs bite on people, and it's very akin to that. | ||
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Well, what you said is very interesting, and what we've looked at, what we've found is, if you even think back to the 60s, the use of police dogs in those instances, but what shocks the conscience and what was very interesting... | |
| Was that not only black students were targeting it, although this section of the hall was an entrance for the bus that was from a more rural and predominantly African-American area. | ||
| So it just so happens that a lot of black students were there and it was... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's just a coincidence. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| This brings to mind and reminds me of apartheid South Africa. | ||
| Yeah, it's a coincidence. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You know, if something reminds you of apartheid South Africa, it's because it's just regular old apartheid... | ||
| Where you are right now. | ||
| It's not apartheid South Africa. | ||
| It's apartheid South Carolina. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's always been there. | ||
| That's where it lives. | ||
| It's very easy to convince Alex this is a coincidence. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| Because he's bringing up that two-thirds of the students who were caught up in the sweep were African-American students. | ||
| And that is... | ||
| An issue. | ||
| And for it to be just a coincidence because there were white students there as well. | ||
| Two-thirds were African-American, one-third non-African-American. | ||
| Now, if you think that the school is two-thirds African-American, then maybe that is coincidental. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But when you recognize that it's under 25% African American, those numbers become much worse. | ||
| Yeah, they look real bad, almost as if there's intent behind them. | ||
| Well, I mean, it makes the two-thirds number far more disproportional. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And it makes the 33%, the other one-third... | ||
| Much less statistically relevant. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, it's not a coincidence, but this is the extent to which Alex... | ||
| It's just baffling for me. | ||
| Like, Alex does... | ||
| He brings it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He brings up apartheid South Africa. | ||
| That's just very strange to me. | ||
| I mean, what? | ||
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I... | |
| Okay, here's the problem I have. | ||
| Here's the problem I have, and it's a big one, and it's one that I don't think we're going to get around tonight. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| If something reminds you of apartheid South Africa, I don't care what that thing is, it's a problem that needs to be fixed from the bottom up. | ||
| Tear the whole thing down. | ||
| If it reminds you of apartheid South Africa, it needs to be destroyed. | ||
| So, I don't understand how you could even bring that up. | ||
| What about the movie Invictus? | ||
| And then be moved on. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Just be like, hey, that reminds me of South Africa. | ||
| Oh, no big deal. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, I'm going to keep going. | ||
| That is not okay. | ||
| Even if it's like, no, no, no. | ||
| They like it in apartheid South Africa. | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| Don't... | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| It's gotta be stopped. | ||
| Whatever it is, it's gotta be stopped. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I feel like that's simple. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, your policy there, I think, is sensible. | ||
| At the very least, don't just move over it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| At least ask a number of follow-up questions. | ||
| A lot of them. | ||
| Don't accept at... | ||
| Any excuse that it's a coincidence. | ||
| None! | ||
| None! | ||
| But that's not the Alex Jones way. | ||
| InfoWars is not made for follow-up questions. | ||
| It's not coincidentally. | ||
| It's like South African apartheid. | ||
| Particularly when the thing that's reminiscent is targeted harassment and abuse of black people. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway, in the past, there is some fun and there is some not fun. | ||
| Ain't that the way of things? | ||
| Always love a nice... | ||
| Customer service call. | ||
| On air. | ||
| Dogs are just the best. | ||
| Always fun. | ||
| They're just the best. | ||
| Dogs trained in Czechoslovakia. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Pretty sweet. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| You're not going to get that on another show. | ||
| There's something about Louisiana Denture's message that is going to stick with me. | ||
| I'm going to be thinking about that poor man. | ||
| It's very, very sad. | ||
| And that's 20 years ago. | ||
| He's probably dead. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| They might just have an old voice. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But yeah, the... | ||
| The nature of this stuff, like the pretty frequent instances of anti-Semitic callers that Alex has no ability to push back on, and the fact that one of them is Dan in Illinois, who calls in every other, every third show or something. | ||
| He gets through constantly. | ||
| He's a regular, and that's troubling. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The virus thing, too. | ||
| Like, it's just the echoes of the present are there in ways that are kind of uncomfortable. | ||
| I mean, it is... | ||
| One thing that I love about the past episodes is that they are emblematic of something that's so crucial. | ||
| Which is just a very simple, if you don't deal with a problem, it's going to get worse. | ||
| True. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, this is so many, we see so many things where it's like, we didn't deal with a problem then. | ||
| We didn't. | ||
| Yeah, an information problem was there, and you had every reason to think it would take care of itself, kind of, or like... | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| You know, if you take time to know about things, you would hear these things and be like... | ||
| Who would believe this? | ||
| No idiot would believe this noise. | ||
| And that's unfortunately, it turns out to have been a naive position. | ||
| Yeah, yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, that is a bummer. | ||
| But I think that there's a second element, too, of it that is, if you look back at the past and you see all of this, like, this constant similarity and, you know, basically what you're saying is that if you flip it, it really does... | ||
| Put into perspective the way that Alex deals with immediacy and these stories that are breaking news now in the present day. | ||
| It's like, this is breaking news 20 years ago. | ||
| He's doing the same shit. | ||
| It kind of cuts both ways. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Ideally, it should be able to illustrate to somebody who's caught up in that cycle that, like, no, this is the same. | ||
| It's all... | ||
| It's a carousel. | ||
| It's not a carousel. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's hard to not think like, well, this is a problem from then. | ||
| But, you know, like we were talking about with the bingo cards. | ||
| This is the same problem from the same bad thinking that's been going on for forever. | ||
| And it's just never been dealt with. | ||
| Because either we've never found a successful way to deal with it, or we don't have the political or capital necessary to deal with it. | ||
| I think it's probably more the prior. | ||
| Yeah, it has to be, because it's so obvious. | ||
| The biggest problem we're having right now is most people don't believe in the real world. | ||
| That... | ||
| Isn't that... | ||
| That is the place, the point from which so many cracks come out. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It's just we don't believe in the real world. | ||
| It's the impact point where a lot of bullshit starts spreading out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know how to make you believe in reality is the ultimate question. | ||
| And it's pretty easy, apparently, to make people believe in non-realities. | ||
| It's a lot easier. | ||
| Czechoslovakian dogs being trained. | ||
| Those Eastern European murder dogs from 20 years ago. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back with another episode that will likely be as bummer-ish. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
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I'm... | |
| You got anything? | ||
| Feeling better? | ||
| I really feel like I should have thought of a bit during the time away. | ||
| I had a whole week. | ||
| What a failure. | ||
| Yeah, but you were in non-thinking-about-bit headspace. | ||
| True. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| True. | ||
| Ah, here we go. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| The floor is lava. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |