Knowledge Fight - #720: August 6, 2003
Aired: 2022-09-02
Duration: 01:22:51


=== Dream World Taste Test (04:40) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:32]  Need money.
[00:00:36]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:41]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:44]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:46]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a first time caller in my future.
[00:00:51]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey everybody!
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:07]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:09]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Dan!
[00:01:10]  Jordan.
[00:01:10]  Quick question for you.
[00:01:11]  What's up?
[00:01:12]  What's your bright spot today, bud?
[00:01:12]  My bright spot today is Coca-Cola.
[00:01:16]  It's a great brand.
[00:01:18]  Wait, Coca-Cola Classic or New Coke?
[00:01:19]  Well, look, they have great taste in podcasts, and they've decided to sponsor...
[00:01:23]  Sure.
[00:01:24]  No, no, no, of course.
[00:01:25]  I was notedly, famously critical of their space flavor.
[00:01:30]  They came out with that space flavor.
[00:01:32]  I have no concept of a Coca-Cola space flavor.
[00:01:35]  You tasted it.
[00:01:38]  Wait, was it supposed to taste like space or something?
[00:01:40]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:41]  Oh, okay, that's right.
[00:01:42]  Now I remember.
[00:01:43]  It's not memorable.
[00:01:44]  No, and not good.
[00:01:46]  The only way I could find that was in a six-pack of mini cans.
[00:01:50]  Right, yes.
[00:01:51]  And they're still in my fridge.
[00:01:53]  I have no interest in drinking them.
[00:01:55]  Fair.
[00:01:56]  They're garbage.
[00:01:57]  But...
[00:01:58]  Coke put out another flavor called Dream World, which is supposed to be the flavor of dreams.
[00:02:04]  What?
[00:02:04]  I'm sorry, what?
[00:02:05]  I don't know what the fuck they're doing.
[00:02:06]  I guess it's some kind of viral marketing campaign.
[00:02:08]  It must get enough attention based on how dumb these ideas seem.
[00:02:13]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:14]  Or just like...
[00:02:15]  You know, people talk about, like, hey, what's the flavor of space?
[00:02:18]  Right.
[00:02:18]  What's the flavor of a dream?
[00:02:20]  You know, I think they're dissecting Travis Scott's Astroworld.
[00:02:25]  You know, because that's a mixture of both.
[00:02:27]  That's the next flavor.
[00:02:27]  Yeah.
[00:02:28]  Well, I mean, you've got space and you've got Dream World.
[00:02:31]  You put them together, you've got Astroworld.
[00:02:33]  That makes sense.
[00:02:34]  I think that Dream World was much more of a success.
[00:02:37]  Okay.
[00:02:38]  It's pretty good.
[00:02:39]  It's got like kind of a passion fruit kind of vibe to it.
[00:02:43]  Sure, sure.
[00:02:44]  It has like a Coca-Cola mixed with a sort of...
[00:02:47]  There's maybe a couple of fruits.
[00:02:50]  Sure.
[00:02:50]  I mean, let me ask you the ultimate question, though, is did they achieve a taste that would remind you of a dream, I guess, world?
[00:02:59]  Do you dream of passion fruit?
[00:03:01]  I know!
[00:03:01]  If so...
[00:03:02]  Right on the nose.
[00:03:04]  Okay, alright.
[00:03:05]  If not, then maybe not.
[00:03:06]  I don't know.
[00:03:07]  I have no interest in assessing the accuracy of these flavors.
[00:03:10]  I will just say that it's pretty alright.
[00:03:13]  Who is the taste tester for Dream World?
[00:03:16]  I don't know.
[00:03:17]  Just an active dreamer.
[00:03:19]  That rapper Dream?
[00:03:20]  The Dream.
[00:03:21]  He rewrites it.
[00:03:23]  Anyway, I appreciate that they salvaged what was left with a shattered reputation with the Dream World.
[00:03:31]  Yes.
[00:03:32]  So what about you?
[00:03:33]  For me, it's a new album out by J.I.D.
[00:03:37]  Fantastic album.
[00:03:39]  Excellent album.
[00:03:40]  It's one of those things where maybe only an outside critic can kind of look at someone and then accelerate it to a high extent.
[00:03:50]  So this is like J.I.D.
[00:03:52]  Looked at Kendrick's last album and was like, what if I did the most Kendrick?
[00:03:57]  And Kendrick can do the most Kendrick.
[00:04:00]  The kids would say, hold my beer.
[00:04:02]  It's almost also a little bit of an homage combined with a little bit of a parody in a way.
[00:04:10]  He's taken out a lot of Kendrick and really hammering it home.
[00:04:14]  He's changing time signatures every five seconds.
[00:04:16]  He's changed his voices.
[00:04:18]  He's got characters going on.
[00:04:19]  This is Kendrick as shit.
[00:04:21]  That's what he's doing.
[00:04:22]  Right.
[00:04:23]  And he's doing a lot of it.
[00:04:24]  Right.
[00:04:24]  But it's really good.
[00:04:25]  Okay.
[00:04:26]  So it's a great album.
[00:04:27]  All right.
[00:04:27]  That's how it works.
[00:04:28]  I'll check it out.
[00:04:28]  That's math.
[00:04:29]  I actually can't check it out.
[00:04:31]  Oh, yeah?
[00:04:31]  I've started to exercise again, so I'm listening to a bit of music.
[00:04:35]  Naturally.
[00:04:35]  And I will say that I'm stuck squarely.
[00:04:38]  Show tunes.
[00:04:40]  I don't think that would have pumped me up enough.
[00:04:41]  Okay.
[00:04:42]  Although I got deep into a...

=== Wonk Thank You! (05:51) ===

[00:04:46]  I don't know.
[00:04:47]  Bootleg copy of Mamma Mia.
[00:04:49]  No.
[00:04:51]  2010's pop punk.
[00:04:52]  Oh, no.
[00:04:53]  Okay.
[00:04:54]  All right.
[00:04:54]  I think Fall Out Boy, some of those hits are better than we remember.
[00:04:57]  No, they're not.
[00:04:59]  I'm going to leave this here.
[00:05:00]  What is a Fall Out Boy?
[00:05:04]  And that song from Snakes on a Plane by Cobra Starship was all right.
[00:05:08]  Okay.
[00:05:08]  All right.
[00:05:09]  All right.
[00:05:10]  How does that one go?
[00:05:13]  Kiss me goodbye.
[00:05:16]  Make it out alive!
[00:05:19]  Alright.
[00:05:19]  That does sound like it strikes a chord, so to speak.
[00:05:24]  It'll pump you up.
[00:05:25]  Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
[00:05:27]  Uh-huh.
[00:05:28]  And we're going to be talking...
[00:05:30]  I had to take a little breaky for Dan.
[00:05:32]  Nah.
[00:05:33]  I wanted...
[00:05:34]  You know, self-care comes in all sorts of shapes and sizes and varieties.
[00:05:40]  And I decided today...
[00:05:42]  I was going to go back to 2003 because I wanted something of substance to deal with.
[00:05:49]  As the middle of the week was going on, I was just like, sick of this bullshit.
[00:05:55]  I don't know, spinning wheels, rambling about how there's going to be false flags before the midterms.
[00:06:01]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:06:01]  As he says all the fucking time.
[00:06:03]  I still can't believe he cares about the midterms right now.
[00:06:06]  It's pretty fun, I guess.
[00:06:09]  It's something to talk about.
[00:06:11]  Sure, that's a good point.
[00:06:12]  That is a good point.
[00:06:13]  He can only say Klaus Schwab so many times and promote his book so many times.
[00:06:17]  Which, by the way, is out.
[00:06:20]  I'm going to be getting that book.
[00:06:22]  Okay.
[00:06:22]  And we're going to do that episode eventually.
[00:06:24]  That'll be fun.
[00:06:24]  Again, the self-care I needed was something with meat on the bones.
[00:06:28]  Right.
[00:06:28]  Yes.
[00:06:29]  And so we're back to August 6th, 2003.
[00:06:32]  That's where we are in our progression through 2003.
[00:06:35]  It's been a while since we've done 2003 episodes.
[00:06:37]  It's been a long time.
[00:06:39]  Yeah, I scrolled back through the episodes.
[00:06:42]  It's been quite a while.
[00:06:43]  Almost a month, yeah.
[00:06:44]  I would say more, maybe.
[00:06:44]  Maybe, yeah.
[00:06:45]  Well, I mean, the trial got in the way and what have you.
[00:06:49]  But...
[00:06:50]  I'm very excited to go over this and discuss some of the bullshit that Alex was doing on this day back in 2003.
[00:06:56]  But before we do that, let's say hello to some new wonks, Jordan.
[00:06:59]  Oh, that's a great idea.
[00:07:00]  So first, Conrad Zimmerman isn't a cult leader, but he does have novelty beverages and snacks.
[00:07:05]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:06]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:07:07]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:08]  Thank you very much.
[00:07:09]  Thank you.
[00:07:10]  Next, getting stoned while wandering the canals of Amsterdam while listening to Knowledge Fight.
[00:07:14]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:14]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:07:16]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:17]  Thank you very much.
[00:07:17]  That sounds great.
[00:07:18]  That sounds terrifying, too, in a certain way.
[00:07:20]  Yeah.
[00:07:21]  Next, I don't know why Alex hates Brian Stelter.
[00:07:24]  The stray cat said some great tunes.
[00:07:26]  Thank you so much for now, PolicyWonk.
[00:07:27]  I'm a policy wonk!
[00:07:28]  Thank you very much!
[00:07:29]  I know that I just said that Fall Out Boy had some good songs, so I'm not one to talk.
[00:07:33]  I know I have no credibility in this space, but I disagree.
[00:07:36]  The Stray Cats did not have some good songs.
[00:07:38]  Nobody's gonna argue.
[00:07:39]  Next!
[00:07:40]  Ooh, this one, late.
[00:07:41]  Sorry about this.
[00:07:43]  Happy birthday, monkey skate!
[00:07:45]  Love, pumpkin!
[00:07:46]  Thank you so much!
[00:07:46]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:47]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:49]  Thank you very much!
[00:07:50]  Pumpkin did everything right, Monkey Skate.
[00:07:51]  This one's on me.
[00:07:53]  And that poor turtle that Dan jumped on.
[00:07:56]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:56]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:57]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:58]  Thank you very much!
[00:07:59]  We've got a couple of technocrats in the mix, Jordan.
[00:08:01]  So first, Rock and Stone.
[00:08:04]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:05]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:08:06]  And the Macromancer.
[00:08:08]  Thank you so much.
[00:08:09]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:08:10]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:08:11]  I have risen above my enemies.
[00:08:14]  I might quit tomorrow, actually.
[00:08:16]  I'm just going to take a little breaky now.
[00:08:18]  A little breaky for me.
[00:08:22]  And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over.
[00:08:28]  But I'm the devil!
[00:08:29]  I've got to be taken over here!
[00:08:30]  Fuck you!
[00:08:33]  Fuck you!
[00:08:34]  I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit!
[00:08:42]  Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
[00:08:44]  Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
[00:08:48]  Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
[00:08:52]  That's really what I want to do.
[00:08:54]  I never want to come back here again.
[00:08:56]  I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
[00:09:03]  I'll be better tomorrow.
[00:09:05]  Ah, thank you.
[00:09:06]  Now, Jordan.
[00:09:07]  Yes, Dan.
[00:09:07]  We have an out-of-context drop from today's show.
[00:09:10]  It's been a little while on this one, too.
[00:09:11]  It's good news.
[00:09:12]  We're getting back to basics.
[00:09:13]  Yes.
[00:09:14]  Yeah.
[00:09:14]  Finding our roots.
[00:09:15]  Yes, I like it.
[00:09:18]  This is great.
[00:09:20]  Okay.
[00:09:21]  Alex has very frequently talked about how big his audience is.
[00:09:25]  That's true.
[00:09:26]  We know conservatively 10% of the world.
[00:09:27]  At least.
[00:09:28]  Yeah.
[00:09:29]  This was a new level of brag.
[00:09:32]  Okay.
[00:09:33]  Infowars.com now gets 6% of the web's traffic.
[00:09:36]  What?
[00:09:38]  What?
[00:09:39]  6%!
[00:09:40]  Of the web's traffic.
[00:09:43]  So there's porn, and then there's Infowars, and then there's, I don't know, banking information.
[00:09:49]  Almost one out of every ten page hits is Infowars.
[00:09:56]  Wow.
[00:09:57]  Wow.
[00:09:58]  You know, when you think about that, you think of those Google search results, and they bring back a billion results, you know, in like half a second or whatever.
[00:10:07]  That means that roughly...
[00:10:09]  10% of those are InfoWars articles of some sort.
[00:10:13]  I mean, look.
[00:10:13]  Something along those lines, right?
[00:10:15]  I know that Alex says he has a lot of tentacles, and so maybe all of these websites, every porn site is just a part of InfoWars.

=== Globalist Plot Revealed (05:03) ===

[00:10:23]  He's also a tag on InfoWars.
[00:10:24]  Yeah, he's diversified.
[00:10:26]  Man, that does seem like a backdoor for some enterprising porn person.
[00:10:32]  Ah, come on now.
[00:10:33]  So, uh...
[00:10:35]  Let's jump into today's content here.
[00:10:39]  Alex starts off the show with a major world news story.
[00:10:43]  And I don't say that facetiously.
[00:10:44]  I usually say that and then it's a tweet, but there's actually a news story.
[00:10:49]  The evidence is coming out that the bombing in Jakarta was another globalist operation.
[00:10:57]  Again, the Saudis are saying the British are carrying out the bombings in Saudi Arabia to destabilize the country so they can create a crisis to offer their new world order solution.
[00:11:08]  The evidence shows that that is indeed a fact, the preponderance of the evidence.
[00:11:15]  New information is coming out about the original Bali bombing last year and the fact that the British and U.S. government were there carrying the bombings out.
[00:11:24]  So, for some perspective, this episode is from August 6th, and the bombing of the Marriott in Jakarta happened on August 5th.
[00:11:33]  Whoa!
[00:11:33]  There's no preponderance of any evidence that's leading Alex to say it's looking like a globalist plot.
[00:11:38]  He just literally says that about everything.
[00:11:40]  Well, I was wondering what a globalist plot is in this regard.
[00:11:43]  Huh?
[00:11:44]  Well, I mean, okay, it's a globalist plot, but what is their plot beyond just they decided to blow up this...
[00:11:50]  Oh, okay.
[00:11:51]  You know, like, what is the plot?
[00:11:53]  So it goes like this.
[00:11:54]  Okay.
[00:11:55]  The globalists are attacking...
[00:11:59]  Sort of western-y targets within Indonesia.
[00:12:03]  Hotel chains.
[00:12:04]  Right.
[00:12:04]  In order to force the hand of the Indonesian government to playing along with their globalist takeover and crack down on the public, basically.
[00:12:13]  Install a martial law state in Indonesia, because as goes Indonesia, so goes the world.
[00:12:19]  Well, I mean, yeah, that is the classic saying, the sun never fell on the Indonesian Marriott chain.
[00:12:26]  Yeah.
[00:12:26]  I believe is what it was.
[00:12:28]  So that is essentially the plot.
[00:12:29]  Yeah.
[00:12:29]  The plot is to try and force the hand of the government to...
[00:12:33]  Gotcha.
[00:12:35]  ...to go along with their...
[00:12:36]  Fascism will blow up all your McDonald's.
[00:12:38]  Basically, yes.
[00:12:39]  Gotcha.
[00:12:39]  Okay.
[00:12:40]  So, incidentally, these two bombings that Alex is talking about were connected, as they were both carried out by members of the terrorist group Jama 'a Islamiyah.
[00:12:49]  Members of the group were convicted of doing a string of bombings in Bali.
[00:12:53]  There were a couple in that attack.
[00:12:56]  Sure.
[00:12:57]  And it's been pretty clearly established that they were behind the Jakarta bombing as well.
[00:13:01]  One of the more persuasive pieces of evidence that was found was the head of the suicide bomber, which was identified by multiple sources as being a man named Asmar Latinsani, who was a member of J.I. I'm guessing Alex could just say that that was planted there or something, because he's smart and he loves facts.
[00:13:18]  I mean, did you just say what I heard you say?
[00:13:22]  And that's like, we're going to be fine with that?
[00:13:25]  So the suicide bomber went into a hotel and blew himself up.
[00:13:30]  Well, I believe it was a car bomb.
[00:13:32]  Okay.
[00:13:33]  Still.
[00:13:34]  Yeah.
[00:13:35]  But of all the things that were intact, his head was identifiable.
[00:13:42]  Yeah.
[00:13:42]  That's crazy!
[00:13:44]  Intact is a way to put it.
[00:13:48]  I mean, that's insane!
[00:13:50]  That's insane!
[00:13:51]  We're not talking dental records.
[00:13:53]  Like, it literally sounds like somebody walked by and they were like, holy shit, it's him!
[00:13:57]  Whoa!
[00:13:57]  How have you been?
[00:13:58]  Oh, no!
[00:13:59]  The rest of you is gone!
[00:14:01]  Yeah, it was other members of the group who had been arrested identified him.
[00:14:08]  And then how did they...
[00:14:10]  I mean, listen, I don't want to be...
[00:14:14]  Morbid.
[00:14:15]  Right.
[00:14:16]  No, it is wild.
[00:14:17]  Yeah.
[00:14:17]  I mean, it is wild.
[00:14:18]  Yeah.
[00:14:19]  Okay.
[00:14:19]  No, I don't disagree.
[00:14:21]  That's wild.
[00:14:22]  Yeah.
[00:14:23]  And that's probably why Alex would say it's fake.
[00:14:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:26]  I mean, that is ripe for faking.
[00:14:29]  Right.
[00:14:29]  But hey, guess what?
[00:14:30]  If you were going to do something fake, you probably wouldn't do something like that because your response is how people would respond to it.
[00:14:37]  Sorry, what?
[00:14:38]  Yeah.
[00:14:39]  Go with something a little bit more...
[00:14:41]  I would be very suspicious, yes.
[00:14:45]  So, Jama 'a Islamiyah was a terrorist organization that operated in Indonesia and surrounding countries, mostly inspired by opposition to the more moderate forms of Islam that were practiced there.
[00:14:55]  This was seen as a form of Western degradation, so they targeted things associated with the West, like the Marriott Hotel in Jakarta and that largely tourist area in Bali, where the bombings happened.
[00:15:07]  Right.
[00:15:08]  The group had received funds from an organization called Al Haramein, which is a charity that had clear ties to al-Qaeda.

=== False Flag Accusations (15:55) ===

[00:15:15]  Though Al Haramein did engage in a bunch of legitimate charity work, some of the funds were dispersed to terrorist groups like Jama 'a Islamiyah.
[00:15:24]  Yeah.
[00:15:26]  Yeah.
[00:15:27]  Al Haramain is a charity organization that is based in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
[00:15:31]  The point is that Alex is legitimately just talking shit.
[00:15:34]  He hasn't had time to come up with any conclusions or weigh the preponderance of evidence, but But he can't resist the opportunity to blame this tragedy on his imagined enemies and incorporate that made-up story into his larger conspiracy worldview.
[00:15:47]  Right.
[00:15:48]  And so he's...
[00:15:49]  Saying that there's a preponderance of evidence.
[00:15:51]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:15:52]  Just saying shit.
[00:15:54]  I mean, I think this is interesting insofar as it feels like this is one of the few times where the plan in real life has been exactly as bad as Alex's fake globalist plan.
[00:16:06]  How do you mean?
[00:16:07]  I mean, it's just...
[00:16:09]  Tactically, I don't think that's going to achieve what it is that they think they're trying to achieve.
[00:16:15]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:16:18]  No one is going to care if you blow up a Marriott.
[00:16:22]  I'm sorry.
[00:16:23]  I think people did.
[00:16:24]  I think they did, but at the end of the day, a Marriott is a low-level target.
[00:16:30]  You're not going to get what you want out of a Marriott.
[00:16:33]  Well, conceivably, one of the reasons to choose that is that it's frequented by tourists and foreign nationals, and it would cause...
[00:16:43]  A reduction of Western tourism to the country?
[00:16:48]  Possible.
[00:16:49]  Western influence, possibly businesses would be scared of coming in.
[00:16:53]  There are ripple effects that you could think...
[00:16:57]  Might be achieved by attacking these Western targets.
[00:17:00]  Right.
[00:17:01]  I don't know if I think that the idea is as bad as you are thinking it is.
[00:17:05]  No, I respect...
[00:17:06]  I mean, it's a terrible idea.
[00:17:09]  But tactically, I can understand the thought process that gets there, whereas Alex's globalist plot is a lot sillier, I think.
[00:17:18]  I see it.
[00:17:18]  I see it.
[00:17:19]  This is just one of those plots, ultimately, that has been tried before.
[00:17:25]  And it doesn't really, you know, it doesn't really do it.
[00:17:29]  It's just not how you, you gotta get a good one.
[00:17:32]  Well, hope springs eternal.
[00:17:33]  Yeah, well, that's fair.
[00:17:34]  They say.
[00:17:35]  That's fair.
[00:17:35]  So, trying to nail down exactly, like, where this conspiracy comes from, or what Alex is basing this on, we get to one fairly relevant piece.
[00:17:47]  And we had calls yesterday from listeners, several on-air, several off-air.
[00:17:54]  And a bunch of emails of folks that were watching CNN and Fox yesterday, early in the morning after there had been a bombing in Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia.
[00:18:07]  And they talked about how the U.S. diplomats and U.S. employees had been told to pull out four hours before.
[00:18:21]  Well, I had no way of confirming this.
[00:18:23]  I was getting emails about it, but here it is now in Reuters and Sky News and in other Asian papers.
[00:18:32]  And, of course, the feds were on the ground within minutes, just like the Bali bombing.
[00:18:37]  But with the Bali bombing, two weeks before, they had specifics of the attack.
[00:18:43]  And our government told the Bali's government and told the Taiwanese government, this has been in the mainstream papers.
[00:18:50]  It's great times not to warn anyone, not to tell the American people or the Australians or anybody else.
[00:18:58]  The Bali's government, I think, is Alex thinking that Bali is its own country.
[00:19:02]  I don't think it is a city-state, if I remember.
[00:19:05]  It's a province in Indonesia, but Alex seems to...
[00:19:09]  I don't know what he's doing.
[00:19:11]  So it appears that what Alex is going to do to try and make this conspiracy stick is work with the idea that there was some kind of advance warning of the bombings and that there were feds on the ground immediately.
[00:19:21]  As always, this stuff is partially true.
[00:19:24]  There were federal agents there, but not U.S. agents.
[00:19:28]  There were two groups from the Australian Federal Police who were working with the Indonesian law enforcement, one on a narcotics operation and one on an anti-human trafficking task force.
[00:19:39]  They were able to respond to the bombings in Bali considering that they were already there in the country, but this isn't suspicious and it doesn't prove anything close to a conspiracy or a false flag.
[00:19:49]  And again, this is related to the 2002...
[00:19:54]  Bali bombings as opposed to the Jakarta bombing that just happened that Alex is covering.
[00:19:59]  It is a different situation.
[00:20:00]  He's playing fast and loose with these details a little bit, and I think it's intentional.
[00:20:04]  Yeah.
[00:20:04]  So there was some advanced warning, but that's not necessarily a thing where it was specific enough to guarantee the ability to stop either the Bali bombings or the Jakarta bombing before they happened.
[00:20:15]  In the case of the Bali attacks, the U.S. had captured Omar al-Faruq, who was understood to be a high-level al-Qaeda operative in the region.
[00:20:24]  His contact information had been found in the possession of a number of senior members of the group, and after the U.S. forces interrogated him in ways that almost certainly bordered on torture, he talked and explained his role in the Southeast Asian cell of al-Qaeda.
[00:20:38]  The U.S. attempted to pass this intelligence on to the Indonesian government because part of it involved a reasonable suspicion that they were planning an attack somewhere near the anniversary of 9-11.
[00:20:48]  One of the recommendations that the U.S. made was that the government should arrest a prominent cleric named Abu Bakr Bashir, who Al Farouk had named as being someone who was involved in the organization and planning of attacks.
[00:21:02]  The political situation in Indonesia at the time was very tense with a secular president, Megawati Sukarnoputri, whose vice president, Hamza Haas, was said to have close ties with many of the radicals who the U.S. wanted to focus on, including Bashir.
[00:21:18]  So you had this vice president who was on sort of one side of things and a president who was on the other side.
[00:21:26]  It was like early America where it would just be the top two voters get in.
[00:21:33]  This guy and then the guy who hates him the most on the planet is the vice president.
[00:21:37]  And it's a tough situation to navigate.
[00:21:39]  Right.
[00:21:40]  The country is majority Muslim and Megawati didn't want to make any arrests, particularly of religious figures, without evidence of their having committed a crime which the U.S. couldn't provide.
[00:21:50]  The warning that the U.S. had was too vague to be actionable and the Indonesian government was somewhat in a bind.
[00:21:57]  Ultimately, the Bali bombings could not be stopped, but afterwards, the Megawati government began to act.
[00:22:03]  She arrested Bashir and charged him with a string of church bombings that he had been involved in that occurred on Christmas Eve, year 2000.
[00:22:12]  Gotcha.
[00:22:12]  In the lead-up to the Jakarta bombing, Australian federal police were still in the country because the government had asked for their assistance investigating the Bali bombings.
[00:22:21]  In the course of that investigation, many members of Jama 'a Islamiyah were arrested and questioned, and a picture began to take shape that another bombing was being planned, but no one provided a specific target that they were planning to hit, just that it was likely that the group would attack a soft target.
[00:22:37]  If that's all you have to go on, you can be on guard somewhat, but you can't possibly deploy the resources necessary to protect every soft target in the country, or even...
[00:22:47]  All of them just in Jakarta.
[00:22:49]  Well, I mean, yeah, it is a warning that says bombing is coming, but without where or what or who or how to stop it.
[00:22:58]  So you're like, well, yeah, but what do I do with that?
[00:23:01]  Right, yeah.
[00:23:02]  And the notion that a soft target would be chosen isn't really that much new information or revelatory because the original bombing was of a bar, you know?
[00:23:13]  Yeah.
[00:23:14]  And even then...
[00:23:15]  You kind of get the sense that that's in the MO.
[00:23:20]  Sure, sure.
[00:23:21]  But, I mean, even then, that's not really good intelligence there, because, like, oh, well, you could just be assuming that they're going after a soft target, or you don't even really know what a soft target to them quite is.
[00:23:32]  How soft is soft?
[00:23:33]  Exactly!
[00:23:34]  It's tough to call.
[00:23:36]  It's tough to call.
[00:23:36]  The point here is that Alex just is saying shit.
[00:23:39]  Nothing he's saying means anything, and he refuses to take responsibility for the things that he says.
[00:23:44]  He just throws shit at the wall and then moves on to another room before anyone can make him clean up his mess.
[00:23:49]  None of this has any connection to the reality of the situation.
[00:23:54]  He's blurring details intentionally or because he doesn't know any better about two different incidents.
[00:24:01]  I mean, you don't even understand.
[00:24:03]  He's got people on the ground with the Balis as we speak.
[00:24:08]  He's there.
[00:24:09]  Steve overthrew the Balis government.
[00:24:13]  He declared Bali its own...
[00:24:16]  Country, obviously.
[00:24:18]  Steve is notably part of the Bali's sovereignty movement.
[00:24:22]  That would make sense.
[00:24:23]  So Alex has some other news stories he wants to hit on.
[00:24:26]  So, remember that article from yesterday on the London Guardian?
[00:24:31]  Saudis accuse British staff of destabilization campaign.
[00:24:36]  British embassy staff in Riyadh have been accused by the Saudi Arabian authorities of coordinating a campaign of anti-Western terrorist bombings in the kingdom.
[00:24:45]  The Guardian has learned the accusations that the British embassy in Riyadh coordinated the bombings to stabilize the Saudi regime is the latest and most bizarre piece of information ...to escape the pall of secrecy behind which the Saudis have been conducting legal proceedings against seven Westerners who they say have been tortured into making false confessions.
[00:25:09]  Now, I said day one, before this story ever broke, that the evidence is it was the British doing this.
[00:25:16]  Wow.
[00:25:17]  So this wasn't a story that was in The Guardian the day prior.
[00:25:20]  This is an article from September 6, 2002, in the aftermath of the Bali bombings.
[00:25:25]  Right, right.
[00:25:26]  Whenever they did know stuff about a thing.
[00:25:28]  The basic gist of the story is this.
[00:25:31]  In November 2000, a British citizen named Christopher Rodway was killed in a car bombing.
[00:25:36]  He was an engineer employed at the military hospital in Riyadh, and in the immediate aftermath, the Saudi government said that this was not terrorism, but it was actually more likely a personal matter.
[00:25:47]  At the time, Saudi Arabia had a public stance that it was very insistent that they did not have any terrorist elements existing in the country, and this would contradict that narrative, so there was an attempt to find another explanation.
[00:25:59]  When personal reasons didn't stick, a bunch of employees at the British Embassy were accused of carrying out that bombing with the goal of blaming the Saudi Arabian government.
[00:26:07]  Seven people were held in prison for long stretches, treated quite poorly, and a couple of them were actually sentenced to death before ultimately being released.
[00:26:15]  This is a story that Alex is completely wrong about, and if you would just go a little bit further down the story he's using as a source, the credibility of these accusations being made by the government of Saudi Arabia might seem a little shoddier.
[00:26:27]  A Guardian investigation this year discredited the case against the men and uncovered evidence of systematic torture by the Ministry of Interior officials.
[00:26:38]  According to defense papers submitted by way of appeal to the Saudi Supreme Court last month and seen by the Guardian, the men were systematically tortured until they confessed.
[00:26:47]  They were subjected to sleep deprivation for up to 10 days at a time, suspended from chains hanging from hooks above their cell doors and repeatedly beaten.
[00:26:55]  They were told their relatives would be harmed if they did not cooperate and were offered early.
[00:27:00]  At this point, I want to make totally clear that I'm opposed to this treatment of detainees in the same way that I'm against how the U.S. treated Omar al-Faruq.
[00:27:10]  In the latter case, it was interrogation tactics like sleep deprivation, whereas the allegations in this case are far more abusive and gruesome.
[00:27:19]  The fact remains that these are abusive and unacceptable on both counts, and I'm not trying to minimize one compared to the other or anything.
[00:27:27]  They're both unacceptable.
[00:27:29]  Beyond the moral issues, putting someone into distress is not a reliable way to gather information.
[00:27:34]  You may end up getting intel that's accurate, but you also might not, so it's often best practice to not view the fruits of tortured interrogations as being trustworthy.
[00:27:45]  So the reason that I gave this much more of a pass in the case of Al Farouk than in the case of the Saudi government blaming these British citizens is because there were other corroborating details and pieces of supporting evidence in that case that didn't come from Al Farouk himself.
[00:28:04]  Right.
[00:28:05]  And it appears that the things that he told the U.S. forces were accurate.
[00:28:07]  They did their best to verify that information as opposed to just going, oh, we tortured him enough that we've got the correct information.
[00:28:16]  All that being said, this is all terrible and awful.
[00:28:19]  In early 2004, the British embassy workers who were tortured and forced to admit to crimes they didn't commit on video began the process of trying to sue the Saudi government.
[00:28:28]  The rules at that point in the UK were that you couldn't sue a sovereign government, but their case sought to challenge that law.
[00:28:34]  They actually won a case on this in 2004, but it was ultimately overturned by a higher court in 2006.
[00:28:41]  And so they did not get to...
[00:28:44]  What a weird world that we live in where you can just get swept up into something that has nothing to do with you, and then you're tortured for, like...
[00:28:54]  That's absurd.
[00:28:55]  It is very, very dumb that that just exists, and we all participate in this system.
[00:29:01]  It's very silly.
[00:29:02]  Reading some of the folks' experience, not so much, I mean, obviously, tales of being beaten, but the experience of having your government not have your back, or feeling like that, after the fact, there's some interesting Expressions of the trauma that lingers, that's added to by, like, well, there's no recourse.
[00:29:30]  No, there's not.
[00:29:31]  That I really have.
[00:29:32]  It's fucked up.
[00:29:33]  It is like a hurricane just swept through your house, and that's it.
[00:29:37]  A hurricane just swept through your house.
[00:29:39]  Now you have to live with it.
[00:29:41]  Bye.
[00:29:42]  Yeah.
[00:29:42]  It's fucked up.
[00:29:44]  Undoubtedly.
[00:29:45]  Yeah.
[00:29:46]  So, there was something that Alex touched on a little bit.
[00:29:51]  He said that they pulled them out.
[00:29:53]  They pulled people out.
[00:29:54]  Right, right, right.
[00:29:54]  Hours before.
[00:29:56]  Yeah, and some of that was not entirely clear based on the pieces of information and the sources that he was citing.
[00:30:04]  And so he gets back to that, and there's a little more clarity.
[00:30:07]  Here's another one.
[00:30:09]  U.S. planned withdrawal of Indonesian staff hours before blast.
[00:30:14]  And this is out of the Jakarta News.
[00:30:17]  Hours before the powerful blast in Bali.
[00:30:22]  Island went off.
[00:30:23]  The U.S. had reportedly announced a plan to withdraw its administrative staff from Indonesia for security reasons.
[00:30:31]  So you have these two stories interconnected with Bali and with Indonesia.
[00:30:36]  It's the same story over and over again.
[00:30:38]  So this story actually makes total sense if you understand the larger context of what's going on.
[00:30:43]  It's only suspicious if you're only given access to the sparse details that Alex covers on his show.
[00:30:49]  The sparseness of the details is actually a strategic aspect of Alex's broadcast because he's not interested in giving his audience a better grasp of news events.

=== United States Threats Mischief (15:49) ===

[00:30:56]  He's just trying to find tiny slivers of information that he can use to make every event conform to his predetermined storyline so everything fits neatly into the the globalists are behind everything box.
[00:31:08]  This article that Alex is talking about is from late 2002.
[00:31:11]  The context of this is that the U.S. intelligence community had gotten information from Al Farouk and other sources that there was a plan in motion to carry out a bombing in Indonesia.
[00:31:22]  Areas or buildings that were seen as Western are prime targets for groups like Jama 'a Islamiyah, so they had every reason to suspect that embassies or government buildings could be under threat.
[00:31:32]  The U.S. had tried to relay this information to the Megawati government, who found themselves unable to act on it in a way that satisfied U.S. concerns, which left few options on the table for how to proceed.
[00:31:44]  Evacuating staff temporarily is a completely justified and rational decision to make in this situation, and it's definitely not cause for any kind of suspicion.
[00:31:52]  Alex is trying to use this sliver of information that the U.S. had considered evacuating embassy staff prior to the bombing to insinuate that they had specific forms.
[00:32:01]  foreknowledge of the attack, but this doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
[00:32:04]  It's also kind of dumb, considering that if they did have foreknowledge of the attack's targets, they wouldn't have had to worry about officials at their offices.
[00:32:14]  Yeah.
[00:32:14]  The primary target of that attack in Bali was Patty's Pub, a bar that was frequented by tourists, though there was a smaller bomb that was detonated at the U.S. consulate office Sure, sure, sure.
[00:32:29]  So, the thinking was that this was less aimed at killing people or causing destruction as much as it was a statement bombing.
[00:32:45]  Yeah, you fill a bomb with shit whenever you're trying to cover everybody with shit.
[00:32:48]  I feel like that makes a perfect...
[00:32:50]  Yeah, that makes sense.
[00:32:52]  Yeah.
[00:32:52]  Yeah, so this doesn't work.
[00:32:56]  And Alex is again trying to apply it more broadly to the bombing that he's covering that day.
[00:33:03]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:33:04]  And it's not appropriate.
[00:33:05]  Right.
[00:33:06]  Right, right, right.
[00:33:07]  He's found places that are geographically close, and then has been like, well, obviously all bonings happen in this geographical area happen for the exact same reason every time.
[00:33:17]  And every detail about circumstances are exactly the same.
[00:33:21]  Right, right.
[00:33:21]  You can just sort of transpose things, and it's fine.
[00:33:24]  You know, that is a really interesting failing that kind of goes under the radar with a lot of his conspiracies, like...
[00:33:32]  It is impossible to pull off the same job the same way over and over and over and over again like that, you know?
[00:33:40]  Unless you're the globalist.
[00:33:41]  But, I mean, that is too suspicious, that they never fuck up in, like, unique and interesting ways.
[00:33:49]  They're always able to pull it off.
[00:33:51]  Yep.
[00:33:52]  That's crazy!
[00:33:53]  Yeah, it's...
[00:33:55]  You know, your enemy is perfect.
[00:33:59]  Whatever.
[00:34:00]  The enemy of good is perfect?
[00:34:02]  No, I mean, you're making up your enemy.
[00:34:06]  And so, of course.
[00:34:07]  Right, right, right.
[00:34:09]  Your enemy has the power that you need them to have at any given point in time.
[00:34:13]  Yeah, it's narrative convenience.
[00:34:16]  Right, right, right.
[00:34:17]  It's like having a main character shield.
[00:34:19]  That kind of thing.
[00:34:20]  Main enemy shield.
[00:34:22]  So Alex goes on to make up more details about this article that I think is just, the way he does this is just fascinating.
[00:34:30]  And it goes on to say, yesterday's blast, however, may prove to be just the evidence Washington needed to force Takarta to come down hard on Muslim civilian groups in the past.
[00:34:43]  Analysis did not rule out the occurrence of deliberate violence across the archipelago to provide a pretext for
[00:34:50]  U.S. So this is a complete fiction that Alex is creating out of this article that he's reading.
[00:35:18]  This article was written long before the Jakarta bombing at the Marriott and had to do with the U.S. threat to remove embassy employees in 2002 prior to the Bali bombings.
[00:35:28]  The U.S. didn't end up evacuating staff and it had nothing to do with that Marriott, which is the hotel that was targeted in Jakarta.
[00:35:35]  The reason that Indonesian House Speaker Tan Jun was expressing regret with the U.S. decision to threaten to remove staff was because he was worried about the message that would send to the rest of the world that Indonesia wasn't a safe place.
[00:35:50]  Right.
[00:35:52]  Alex has no idea what he's talking about.
[00:35:54]  He's reporting that the U.S. planned to evacuate staff hours before the bombing that happened in August 2003, and his source is an article from October 2002.
[00:36:03]  That is an issue.
[00:36:04]  This is the level of work that he does, or at least that's how it appears.
[00:36:07]  Well, I mean...
[00:36:08]  Because he's actually conflating sources together.
[00:36:12]  Right, right, right, right, right.
[00:36:13]  He's making a stew.
[00:36:15]  Okay.
[00:36:16]  I mean, the whole here is what amount of U.S. officials were at the Marriott?
[00:36:26]  Like, why is the United States government specifically like, listen, I mean, obviously it would be like they know that the embassy isn't going to be bombed.
[00:36:36]  But who all was staying at the Marriott that needed to be evacuated?
[00:36:39]  Well, the Marriott did host some events.
[00:36:45]  Sure.
[00:36:46]  No, I mean, yeah.
[00:36:48]  In the past.
[00:36:49]  It is a little bit like the United States government is like, hey, listen, Eric.
[00:36:55]  You gotta get out of that Marriott.
[00:36:57]  I know you've been staying there for a week until we find you a place closer to the office, but you gotta get out of there, Eric.
[00:37:04]  Well, see, here is where this stew aspect comes in.
[00:37:10]  Sure, right.
[00:37:10]  So Alex has this story from 2002 about the threat to remove embassy employees.
[00:37:18]  Right.
[00:37:18]  And now he's bringing in, they're saying that they were told to get out of the Marriott.
[00:37:22]  Naturally.
[00:37:22]  Which can't be involved with this.
[00:37:25]  No.
[00:37:25]  Article.
[00:37:26]  Because it's about the U.S. Embassy.
[00:37:27]  Right.
[00:37:28]  So he brings in another article.
[00:37:30]  That's a good idea.
[00:37:31]  To bridge the gap?
[00:37:32]  Not even bridge the gap.
[00:37:33]  He just jams them together as if they're the same thing.
[00:37:36]  Okay.
[00:37:37]  Very astute timing.
[00:37:41]  Again, U.S. Embassy canceled the booking of Marriott Hotel four and a half hours before the explosion.
[00:37:47]  U.S. Embassy canceled the booking of the Marriott Hotel before the explosion.
[00:37:51]  There was something interesting happening.
[00:37:53]  Just hours before the explosion shocked the JW Marriott Hotel.
[00:37:58]  So this is a bit of a pivot point, because Alex up to this point has been relying on this October 2002 article to argue that the embassy was threatening to withdraw its staff.
[00:38:07]  That was true, but he was lying about the context of it and pretending it was a recent article related to the Jakarta bombing.
[00:38:13]  Right.
[00:38:14]  Now he's using a completely different source to make a completely different claim while acting like it's the same story.
[00:38:20]  Apparently, what happened was that the U.S. Embassy canceled reservations at the Marriott four and a half hours before the bombing.
[00:38:27]  Alex's sole source on this is a translation of an Indian Indonesian website that makes this claim.
[00:38:33]  And their only source is an alleged employee of the Marriott who is anonymous.
[00:38:37]  There's no evidence of this that this is the case.
[00:38:41]  If I were the embassy and I were orchestrating elaborate fake terrorist plots in order to force the Indonesian government into cracking down on terrorists and going along with my larger global agenda, I don't think I would cancel those reservations.
[00:38:53]  Maybe they would keep them and just not show up.
[00:38:55]  Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make any sense.
[00:38:57]  Or, even better, some of the expendable people who worked at the office could show up for the reservations, and then the embassy could apply even more pressure on the Indonesian government.
[00:39:06]  Well, hold on, when was the booking for?
[00:39:08]  What's up?
[00:39:09]  I mean, they said they canceled a booking.
[00:39:11]  Right.
[00:39:11]  But it didn't say there was an event at the hotel that day.
[00:39:14]  It could have been a booking for any time.
[00:39:17]  The implication is that it was like they were supposed to check in four and a half hours after this.
[00:39:22]  Sure, sure.
[00:39:23]  Or that day or something.
[00:39:25]  Right.
[00:39:25]  That's a great point.
[00:39:26]  But he doesn't say.
[00:39:27]  No, that is a great point.
[00:39:28]  Yeah.
[00:39:28]  And Alex will play with that a little bit later.
[00:39:31]  Okay, but I mean, it is a little bit like if I'm planning a false flag, I'm not, I mean, as you said, you know.
[00:39:38]  Like, I'm gonna leave those there.
[00:39:40]  What are you going to do?
[00:39:41]  Listen, if we let it go too long, they're non-refundable, okay?
[00:39:46]  Right.
[00:39:46]  Are they trying to save cash?
[00:39:47]  Exactly!
[00:39:48]  It's nonsense.
[00:39:49]  They have a million people!
[00:39:51]  Come on!
[00:39:51]  And if it's a thing where the reservations are supposed to start the next day, they have a 24-hour cancellation policy.
[00:39:57]  I'm not sure if it's different for the U.S. Embassy.
[00:40:00]  Maybe they have a special deal.
[00:40:01]  Budget's tight for the United States globalists in Indonesia.
[00:40:04]  It's just they've got to pinch pennies, you know?
[00:40:07]  Or if they're supposed to be there, like...
[00:40:09]  Sure.
[00:40:10]  Or whatever.
[00:40:11]  Like, you know, a bombing takes a while to plan.
[00:40:14]  Yeah, you should know.
[00:40:15]  It didn't come together exactly four hours before.
[00:40:19]  He was like, fuck, fuck, fuck.
[00:40:20]  I keep forgetting.
[00:40:21]  Oh, shit, I forgot to cancel it.
[00:40:22]  Oh, goddammit.
[00:40:25]  So there's literally only one scenario where this makes sense as proof of a conspiracy, and that's the world where the evil globalists behind this plot canceled the reservation so they could leave behind a calling card for the conspiracy theorists to find.
[00:40:38]  This is basically Alex pretending that information is taunting him.
[00:40:42]  Yeah.
[00:40:42]  Which you have to realize is a part of the way he views the world.
[00:40:47]  No, no, no, of course.
[00:40:47]  It is difficult to keep in mind that he does feel as though he's fighting the Mad Hatter, leaving clues behind at the scene everywhere he goes.
[00:40:57]  Yes.
[00:40:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:40:58]  Like the globalists or the Riddler.
[00:41:00]  Change places!
[00:41:02]  They're using puzzles and stuff.
[00:41:04]  Yes, exactly.
[00:41:05]  If I figure out all these clues, then I'll find them.
[00:41:08]  The treasure underneath the United States Constitution.
[00:41:10]  It makes perfect sense.
[00:41:11]  And I'm, you know, you and I are pointing out these problems with the idea of them canceling reservations.
[00:41:17]  It's just a silly idea.
[00:41:19]  Right.
[00:41:19]  And that's even accepting the framing that they did, in fact, cancel these reservations.
[00:41:26]  On that day.
[00:41:27]  Which I do not know to be true.
[00:41:29]  Exactly.
[00:41:29]  I don't think that there's a solid piece of information about this.
[00:41:33]  Yeah.
[00:41:34]  No, this doesn't, it doesn't work.
[00:41:35]  If they were there, And they left?
[00:41:38]  Maybe.
[00:41:39]  But even then, it's at the Marriott.
[00:41:42]  I don't know.
[00:41:43]  That's what Alex says.
[00:41:44]  We've got the Saudi Arabians accusing the British government of carrying out the bombing to destabilize the region.
[00:41:52]  You've got the U.S. government with its employees who checked in hours before the bombing, then check out.
[00:42:01]  Just a few hours later...
[00:42:04]  Alex doesn't have another source.
[00:42:05]  This is just him embellishing and making up details about the idea that the embassy canceled reservations at the Marriott before the bombing.
[00:42:11]  Right.
[00:42:12]  The flimsy article that he's basing this on doesn't say any of this, but he can't help himself from escalating things.
[00:42:17]  Now they didn't just cancel reservations.
[00:42:19]  They were actually there and checked in, but they went through all the trouble to check out...
[00:42:24]  Hours early before the bombing.
[00:42:26]  Alex is making this up because if it were true, it sure would seem pretty suspicious.
[00:42:31]  I suppose.
[00:42:31]  You even were like, if they were there and checked out...
[00:42:34]  But even then, that's like flimsy-ass shit, you know?
[00:42:38]  But it certainly would raise more of an eyebrow than...
[00:42:41]  Right.
[00:42:42]  But now it is a little bit like they check in.
[00:42:45]  They call in and they're like, hey, can we get an early check in?
[00:42:49]  Because we got to the Marriott too soon.
[00:42:52]  And they go like, yeah, okay, fine.
[00:42:54]  We've got a room available.
[00:42:55]  So they go through the whole rigmarole.
[00:42:57]  They've left a credit card and an ID.
[00:42:59]  They've done all this shit.
[00:43:00]  They go up to the room and then like, oh, fuck, I forgot.
[00:43:03]  We got the bomb today.
[00:43:04]  They run down there.
[00:43:05]  They have to make a fake scene.
[00:43:07]  They have to make a big scene.
[00:43:08]  Oh, my room wasn't as clean as it needed.
[00:43:10]  How dare you, sirs?
[00:43:12]  I demand a refund!
[00:43:14]  And then they leave.
[00:43:15]  It's conceivably the dumbest track of events for you to actually believe happened.
[00:43:23]  It's not great.
[00:43:24]  No one would go through this.
[00:43:25]  It's absurd.
[00:43:26]  But here's the thing.
[00:43:27]  Basically, Alex can't make compelling arguments based on the information that's available, so he's cheating by just making up shit that makes his case look stronger.
[00:43:35]  And he's doing this because he's a liar.
[00:43:37]  Yes, it does, though.
[00:43:38]  Because once you establish the idea that you had these embassy people there who checked out, and you add it to believing the Saudi Arabian government about the British folks who were carrying out bombings, To destabilize the Saudi Arabian government.
[00:43:57]  Right.
[00:43:57]  You can combine this all together, and now you have a hit team that was at the Marriott.
[00:44:03]  Okay, all right.
[00:44:03]  Turns out the government had inserted a team of, well, it looks like 20 people or more.
[00:44:11]  What?
[00:44:12]  Into this Marriott.
[00:44:14]  That is a big team.
[00:44:15]  They pulled out just a few hours before the blast, and maybe it's just a coincidence they just so happened to pull them out when they were...
[00:44:22]  We're going to be there for two more days.
[00:44:25]  Wait, how do you know that?
[00:44:26]  Because of the threat that's happening.
[00:44:29]  And, of course, it turns out that the Bali bombing, they told the Taiwanese not to warn the Bali's government.
[00:44:37]  You can see here how Alex is building out the story.
[00:44:39]  He has a flimsy source that claims that the U.S. Embassy canceled reservations hours before the bombing took place at the Marriott, which he is now reporting as the U.S. sending in a team of about 20 people who were pulled out early.
[00:44:51]  This is solely from his own imagination, and it's nothing more than him writing his own little story about this tragic event so he can use it to further his own goals.
[00:45:00]  One thing I want to draw special attention to is the part where he says that they were pulled out of the hotel because of threats.
[00:45:05]  This is important because it's a synthesis of this flimsy source about the canceled hotel reservation and that article from 2002 about the lead up to the Bali bombing.
[00:45:15]  Alex is taking the hotel detail from one story and mashing it up with the embassy being concerned about threats, that detail from the other story, and then serving it up for the audience as if it's something meaningful and it's the same thing.
[00:45:27]  If anything, this is an abuse of information, and it's kind of silly to pretend that what he's doing is questioning world events.
[00:45:34]  This isn't questioning.
[00:45:35]  This is just lying about shit so mass casualty events can be incorporated into your worldview more easily and you can profit off them.
[00:45:42]  Right.
[00:45:42]  Right.
[00:45:43]  It is funny that I...
[00:45:46]  Throughout this entire time, I find myself trying to give advice to the globalists, and then realizing again that what I'm really doing is just in a writer's room with Alex trying to punch up his narrative.
[00:45:58]  Like a team of 20 is too big.
[00:46:01]  Too many people are going to...
[00:46:02]  That's too big.
[00:46:03]  It's too obvious to see.
[00:46:05]  And then I realize I'm not talking about this.
[00:46:07]  I'm with Alex being like, okay, listen, here's what we got to do.
[00:46:10]  He took that from the article about the canceled reservations that alleged that there were 10 to 20 rooms.
[00:46:16]  Right.
[00:46:16]  So that's just a number that he's coming up with.
[00:46:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:19]  Why not?
[00:46:19]  The reservation was apparently for three days, although it doesn't specify which three days.
[00:46:24]  And so that's where he's getting the two more days thing.
[00:46:26]  Sure.
[00:46:26]  But he's just cracking those details into his own form, whatever shape he wants them to take, in order to make his story make sense.

=== Mars Closer, 60,000 Years Away (13:23) ===

[00:46:34]  Now, what I think is more interesting, with your writerly instincts, is the way that you have been one step ahead of Alex's narrative.
[00:46:41]  Right, right.
[00:46:42]  With the, like, the...
[00:46:45]  They were inside and checked out of the hotel.
[00:46:48]  That is interesting about going back to the past.
[00:46:51]  He does have those abilities.
[00:46:53]  It does feel like he's building something.
[00:46:55]  There is a little bit of an A to B to C with the way that the layers of the conspiracy are added on as he makes stuff up about the little kernel that is at the base of this.
[00:47:08]  It feels like he's trying.
[00:47:09]  Yeah, it's not good.
[00:47:11]  I mean, it's not a good effort.
[00:47:13]  No, but it is an effort which we're not used to seeing in the present.
[00:47:16]  Holy shit, yeah.
[00:47:18]  It's transparent if you take the time to pay attention to it.
[00:47:22]  But if you don't, or if you just operate off headlines and the optics of seeing a headline that says U.S. Embassy...
[00:47:31]  Cancelled reservations four and a half hours before the bombing, and then you accept whatever Alex says about it.
[00:47:38]  Like, if you just accept the story that he tells about that headline, the escalation of it does make sense.
[00:47:43]  Or if you believe the Saudi government about the British embassy employees that they tortured and got false confessions out of, these things, yeah, there is a conspiracy that is crafted.
[00:47:58]  It's a little bit like a kid improv-ing a book report where you're like, okay, I know you didn't read that book, but I'm actually kind of respecting your level of creativity and faking that you read that book.
[00:48:09]  You're making up some fun shit.
[00:48:11]  Sure.
[00:48:11]  It's like if a kid improvised a book report that was super disrespectful to a bunch of people who died in a bomb.
[00:48:17]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:48:18]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:48:18]  That would be...
[00:48:19]  Where the Redford Grows is actually the Civil War burial ground.
[00:48:25]  Yeah.
[00:48:26]  That's a really worse book.
[00:48:27]  So Alex doesn't just stay on this topic all episode.
[00:48:31]  He also just yells about stuff, too.
[00:48:34]  It's death squads, folks.
[00:48:36]  And that's what Homeland Security and the National Police are.
[00:48:40]  That's what the SWAT teams are.
[00:48:42]  They're setting up death squads in America.
[00:48:45]  It's in Patriot Act 1 and 2 to be able to come and kill you and never even tell people why they killed you, never charge you, never indict you, never arrest you.
[00:48:55]  I mean, this is textbook classical tyranny.
[00:48:59]  We're going to take calls, and I've got a bunch of other news we're going to get to.
[00:49:02]  Toll-free number to join us.
[00:49:03]  So that's a little severe.
[00:49:05]  Yeah.
[00:49:06]  I think that you could make an interesting argument that in some ways...
[00:49:10]  The police are acting as, not always, but sometimes do operate as a death squad.
[00:49:18]  I think that's not what Alex is talking about, and Alex doesn't seem to really have that much problem with police brutality these days.
[00:49:24]  That's kind of the issue.
[00:49:25]  So it rings a little hollow.
[00:49:28]  I mean, if you are putting together an Alex Jones was right clip, I don't understand why that's not on there unless it doesn't work in the present for him.
[00:49:37]  He can't own that narrative in the present.
[00:49:39]  Exactly.
[00:49:39]  And it's not worthwhile for him to really hang his hat on police brutality.
[00:49:45]  Can't go back to it.
[00:49:45]  Not now.
[00:49:46]  No.
[00:49:47]  Nope.
[00:49:47]  Too late now.
[00:49:47]  He would have to defend too many people on the left.
[00:49:50]  Yeah.
[00:49:50]  He can't do that.
[00:49:51]  Nope.
[00:49:52]  Nope.
[00:49:52]  He has to literally be above the left-right paradigm in order to do that, and he's absolutely not.
[00:49:58]  Yep.
[00:49:59]  Yep.
[00:49:59]  So, in this next clip, Alex goes to calls.
[00:50:02]  Sure.
[00:50:03]  And, unfortunately, a caller asks a question that Alex was not prepared for.
[00:50:07]  What does DARPA stand for?
[00:50:11]  It's the Advanced, I've got to dig it out, but it's the Advanced Military Research System.
[00:50:19]  Okay.
[00:50:20]  Thank you very much.
[00:50:21]  You bet.
[00:50:22]  It starts, when you hear somebody talk about DARPA, they start with Advanced.
[00:50:26]  They never put the D on the end.
[00:50:29]  But it's the Defense Advanced Research.
[00:50:33]  Agency.
[00:50:34]  There you go.
[00:50:34]  Forgot the P. Yeah, one of the things I thought was really interesting about that, first of all, that was not a gotcha question.
[00:50:41]  The caller was not trying to stump him.
[00:50:42]  He was just curious.
[00:50:42]  No, he was interested, yeah.
[00:50:44]  And Alex should know that.
[00:50:46]  The thing that stuck out in my mind was that, like, on the stand, in Alex's case, when Daria was testifying, they asked her what DARPA stands for.
[00:50:56]  She knew.
[00:50:57]  Yeah, that is true.
[00:50:59]  That is funny.
[00:50:59]  It's weird that in 2003, Alex would...
[00:51:02]  Fumble around with what does DARPA stand for?
[00:51:05]  Yeah, that's...
[00:51:05]  It's weird.
[00:51:06]  If that was Scripps, he would have heard that ding real fast.
[00:51:10]  I understand.
[00:51:10]  What's DARPA stand for?
[00:51:12]  Advanced ding!
[00:51:14]  I understand if he would have trouble with, like, harp.
[00:51:17]  Sure, sure.
[00:51:17]  He doesn't talk about Harp that much.
[00:51:19]  I don't know what Harp stands for.
[00:51:20]  It does come up.
[00:51:21]  But DARPA is like, and he's in the middle of like this, I mean, it's been a while since we've done a 2003 episode.
[00:51:27]  Sure.
[00:51:27]  But he just had that whole thing about how they were trying to gamble on terrorist attacks and stuff.
[00:51:32]  Yeah.
[00:51:32]  Set up a stock market on deaths.
[00:51:35]  And so it's...
[00:51:37]  It's pretty front and center of his narratives.
[00:51:39]  If you're a conspiracy theorist, you should have DARPA on the ready.
[00:51:44]  You shouldn't be caught on his back foot.
[00:51:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:51:45]  If you're a math teacher, you have to be able to do long division in your head.
[00:51:49]  Like, you have to.
[00:51:50]  You can't fumble around with that shit.
[00:51:52]  Otherwise, no one respects you.
[00:51:53]  So Alex takes another call, and this is the level of discourse that's going on on this show, man.
[00:51:58]  It's heady stuff.
[00:51:59]  Okay.
[00:52:00]  I wanted to get your opinion on a couple things.
[00:52:03]  I was reading that on August 27th, Mars is going to be closest to the Earth in 60,000 years.
[00:52:12]  Yeah, it's going to be the closest to Earth in 60,000 years.
[00:52:15]  We know how much these globalists are into the occult.
[00:52:19]  We do know that.
[00:52:21]  If that has any significance or not.
[00:52:24]  Absolutely.
[00:52:27]  I don't believe in astrology.
[00:52:29]  I don't believe in quackery.
[00:52:32]  But the globalists, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bush, Clinton, they got shamans, they're doing seances, they admit they run off of astrology.
[00:52:45]  Exactly.
[00:52:47]  And I keep meaning to mention this, I'm glad you brought it up.
[00:52:50]  With Mars, the closest it'll be in 60,000 years, that's in humankind's history, folks, in 60,000 years.
[00:53:01]  These guys are totally obsessed with numerology, what that portends, the astrology, and that's why they're moving so hard, and it is very dangerous.
[00:53:15]  Go ahead.
[00:53:15]  And do you think that they would celebrate that date with another attack?
[00:53:21]  I mean, is that what you need to be looking out for?
[00:53:24]  I don't make predictions on things like that when I don't have enough data, but I have to admit that reading about it and seeing over the last year, We've been worried about August 24th when it will be the closest to Earth it's been in 60,000 years.
[00:53:37]  Oh, okay.
[00:53:38]  What?
[00:53:39]  All right.
[00:53:39]  That is amazing.
[00:53:41]  I don't make those kinds of predictions, but...
[00:53:43]  I mean...
[00:53:44]  Look, it's looking bad.
[00:53:46]  That is amazing to go from not knowing a thing to suddenly just being like, this thing is central to this bullshit.
[00:53:54]  We're real worried about it.
[00:53:54]  Yeah, we're terrified of this thing.
[00:53:56]  Oh, is that true?
[00:53:57]  I've been crunching the numbers, and man, there's a preponderance of evidence that Mars is going to be so close.
[00:54:02]  How do you know that it is?
[00:54:03]  Mars is the god of war.
[00:54:05]  Was it?
[00:54:07]  Was it?
[00:54:11]  I don't know.
[00:54:12]  No, it was.
[00:54:14]  Astrologically, that is true.
[00:54:15]  That was an event that did happen.
[00:54:17]  Right.
[00:54:17]  I just appreciate that instantaneous...
[00:54:20]  Absolutely.
[00:54:21]  Yep.
[00:54:22]  Is that something we should worry about?
[00:54:23]  Absolutely.
[00:54:24]  You bet, brother.
[00:54:26]  You just fill in the blank.
[00:54:28]  If there is something you're asking, Alex, if you should be worried about it.
[00:54:31]  Absolutely, brother.
[00:54:32]  You nailed it.
[00:54:33]  There is a reason to be afraid.
[00:54:35]  You are not crazy for having this fear of something that nobody has literally ever thought before.
[00:54:41]  You are right, my friend.
[00:54:43]  Let's kill minutes of valuable time on my show talking about being worried about Mars.
[00:54:50]  I don't know.
[00:54:51]  Celebrating what?
[00:54:54]  Mars being close.
[00:54:56]  That's another problem here.
[00:54:58]  You didn't explain how this is related to an occult situation.
[00:55:02]  You're just like, oh, I bet because Mars is close this time, they're going to be like, this is important.
[00:55:10]  I'm hearing the words you're saying, but you sound dumb.
[00:55:14]  It makes so much sense.
[00:55:16]  It really, really...
[00:55:19]  You reveal yourself to be a mark when you ask questions like that.
[00:55:24]  It's just understood that the globalists bomb things when planets are close.
[00:55:31]  How much closer?
[00:55:33]  How much closer?
[00:55:34]  Just a little closer.
[00:55:36]  Couldn't it be that much?
[00:55:37]  It's not like a million miles closer on this one day.
[00:55:42]  I think it was quite a bit closer.
[00:55:45]  Much closer.
[00:55:46]  I don't know.
[00:55:46]  I don't remember.
[00:55:47]  I looked it up, but I don't remember the exact.
[00:55:49]  Right, right, right.
[00:55:50]  I did look up if there was any bombing on...
[00:55:52]  Sure, well, you had to.
[00:55:54]  The Little League World Series took place that day.
[00:55:56]  So, maybe some bombs to left field.
[00:55:59]  Yeah, maybe some home runs were hit that shouldn't have necessarily made it out.
[00:56:02]  Yeah, the gravitational pull of Mars took a couple of those right over the rafters.
[00:56:07]  Warning track power got a little bit stronger.
[00:56:10]  Yeah.
[00:56:11]  I mean, look, this is just dumb.
[00:56:14]  But yeah, it's interesting that you have that response of, like, why would that even be something that the globalists are interested in?
[00:56:23]  Because to me, I mean, I'm joking around scolding you or, like, making fun of you, but to me, it's like, no, that makes total sense.
[00:56:29]  But it's just a little bit closer.
[00:56:32]  Yeah.
[00:56:33]  But, I mean, that...
[00:56:34]  There's magical powers that come from...
[00:56:37]  But if that's the case, then it suggests that as Mars gets further away, something else changes that makes you less likely to celebrate it being further away.
[00:56:49]  But then Venus gets closer.
[00:56:52]  Is it just a day?
[00:56:53]  Is it just like, oh, it's like a solar eclipse.
[00:56:56]  They all go outside, they look up, and they're like, oh, look at that.
[00:56:58]  And then they go back to their lives.
[00:57:00]  Well, now they go see a solar eclipse, and then they gotta bomb something.
[00:57:04]  You got it.
[00:57:05]  That's right.
[00:57:05]  You're right.
[00:57:06]  It is so much your caveman, just like anything is a sign.
[00:57:13]  Just like, oh, there's a shooting star.
[00:57:14]  That's a sign.
[00:57:15]  Oh, Mars is a little close.
[00:57:17]  That's a sign.
[00:57:18]  It is such that.
[00:57:19]  It is just caveman thought.
[00:57:21]  That's all it is.
[00:57:22]  Well, and Alex takes like...
[00:57:26]  Kind of a simplistic understanding of symbolism, occultism, and just applies it sort of universally.
[00:57:34]  Right.
[00:57:34]  So anything that seems like it could be, like, an equinox.
[00:57:40]  Somebody's got to bomb something.
[00:57:42]  Yeah, somebody's got to bomb something.
[00:57:43]  Anytime there's a, like...
[00:57:45]  A date that has like, oh, it's doubles.
[00:57:49]  So it's like March 6th, 2009, 369.
[00:57:54]  Sure.
[00:57:54]  Very suspicious date.
[00:57:56]  Right.
[00:57:58]  Magical powers on this date.
[00:58:00]  I like that one thing that's never really addressed is how many holidays occult people have to have.
[00:58:08]  It's every day.
[00:58:09]  It is every day there is a holiday.
[00:58:11]  There is something.
[00:58:12]  You know what?
[00:58:12]  We should, I mean, take away the bombing and we should all live like that.
[00:58:16]  Every day is special and worth celebrating.
[00:58:18]  But not every day Mars is the closest it's going to be in 60,000 years.
[00:58:22]  No, that's true.
[00:58:23]  It's going to be...
[00:58:26]  59,900 and something years before we get that again.
[00:58:30]  Ooh, someday.
[00:58:31]  And look at it, because there will be a bombing in 59,000 years.
[00:58:35]  We know that.
[00:58:36]  Put it on your calendars.
[00:58:39]  So, Alex, we know that his dad was a big JBS guy and bad influence on him.
[00:58:45]  Turns out his uncle wasn't better.
[00:58:47]  My uncle really is an expert on the New World Order.
[00:58:50]  He studied it for years.
[00:58:51]  I had an argument with him about five years ago.
[00:58:53]  I said, yeah, the New World Order is going to set up a beast system and biometrics, but I said, it's going to take time to do that.
[00:58:59]  And he said, no.
[00:59:00]  They build it, they line it all up, they get it ready, and they announce it.
[00:59:04]  And boy, how true his knowledge on that is.
[00:59:07]  That's what they do.
[00:59:08]  They set the whole thing up, and we go, gee, what's behind these curtains?
[00:59:12]  They lift the curtains, and it's a total...
[00:59:16]  Dehumanizing Satan Pit.
[00:59:18]  Oh, how interesting.
[00:59:19]  We're in it, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:59:21]  It's a Satan Pit.
[00:59:24]  I like that image.
[00:59:26]  Like a goblin feast.
[00:59:28]  Or a demon feast, excuse me.
[00:59:29]  It is a...
[00:59:31]  Dehumanizing Satan Pit.
[00:59:33]  And his response to that is interesting.

=== Selective Service Pit (05:32) ===

[00:59:36]  Yeah, well, that is interesting.
[00:59:38]  I would like to know what that is.
[00:59:40]  Ladies and gentlemen, I regret to inform you we are in the Satan Pit.
[00:59:44]  Okay, so you trip and you fall into the dehumanizing Satan Pit.
[00:59:47]  Yeah.
[00:59:47]  What is dehumanizing specifically inside the pit?
[00:59:53]  Um...
[00:59:54]  I don't know.
[00:59:57]  I'm trying to visualize this.
[00:59:59]  Right?
[01:00:00]  I appreciate, first off, my favorite visual is lifting up the curtain to reveal a pit.
[01:00:05]  That's just great.
[01:00:07]  That's good showmanship.
[01:00:08]  If you open a curtain to a pit, it's good stuff.
[01:00:13]  What's in the pit?
[01:00:15]  It could be anything, man.
[01:00:16]  I mean, it would have to be...
[01:00:18]  There's got to be more than one Satan in the pit.
[01:00:21]  First off, there need to be multiple Satans in this pit.
[01:00:25]  Is that possible?
[01:00:27]  I mean, I assume he can split himself up.
[01:00:29]  He's got classic Marvel powers these days.
[01:00:31]  All right.
[01:00:32]  Right?
[01:00:32]  Hey, sure.
[01:00:35]  Yes.
[01:00:36]  Not my saying.
[01:00:38]  This is like the argument that Alex and his uncle had.
[01:00:41]  Yeah, probably.
[01:00:42]  I think that's Cousin Buckley's dad.
[01:00:45]  Oh, yeah.
[01:00:45]  That would make sense.
[01:00:46]  That's my guess.
[01:00:47]  Because he's definitely someone who Alex has brought up before.
[01:00:49]  Right.
[01:00:50]  When he talks about uncles with information.
[01:00:53]  So, fun.
[01:00:54]  Oh, yeah.
[01:00:55]  There's another news story that Alex touches on here.
[01:00:59]  Bush picks new Selective Service director.
[01:01:03]  Crawford, Texas.
[01:01:04]  President Bush has picked a former lobbyist and ex-Marine as director of the Selective Service.
[01:01:10]  Bush said Tuesday he intends to nominate William A. Chatfield for the post.
[01:01:17]  The Selective Service would provide manpower for the military of an emergency force to draft.
[01:01:24]  They've got all the bills lined up now.
[01:01:26]  One more terror attack, universal draft.
[01:01:28]  It collects young men's names through the Selective Service Registration System.
[01:01:33]  They're trying to change the law for women.
[01:01:35]  Chatfield is currently a government relations consultant with Kindness and Chatfield Associates in Washington.
[01:01:44]  So that's real, real, real nice.
[01:01:48]  And all the things where people talk about how accurate Alex is, they seem to just forget his constant obsession with how a universal draft was right around the corner and how the globalists had it set up so the next time there was a terrorist attack, that was it.
[01:02:01]  And all your sons and daughters were going to be conscripted.
[01:02:03]  Yeah.
[01:02:04]  Big whiff on that.
[01:02:05]  And he was very, it happens, he brings it up all the time.
[01:02:08]  Yeah.
[01:02:08]  One wonders if Alex made a big stink when Trump nominated Donald Benton to this position in April 2017, if that was evidence of Trump trying to reinstate the draft.
[01:02:18]  I don't think he probably even noticed.
[01:02:21]  Yeah.
[01:02:21]  This is a small government office that has existed since World War I and could probably just be abolished.
[01:02:28]  Even though it's not a pool for a draft, the names and information gathered from Selective Service Registration are used by the Joint Advertising, Marketing, Research, and Studies Program out of the Department of Defense, which uses that information to recruit volunteers into the armed service.
[01:02:43]  Is there anything not evil?
[01:02:46]  It's not cool.
[01:02:48]  Right, right.
[01:02:49]  But there isn't a draft, and there wasn't one in 2003.
[01:02:52]  No.
[01:02:53]  That being said, let's just X this office.
[01:02:55]  Let's get rid of it.
[01:02:55]  Yeah, get rid of that.
[01:02:56]  That's bad.
[01:02:57]  I mean, it's obvious there won't be a draft.
[01:03:00]  We can barely afford the military we have now.
[01:03:03]  Can you imagine if we just had an influx of, I don't know, 10 million people just to walk in there?
[01:03:09]  How much would it cost to outfit them?
[01:03:11]  We've got to spend a trillion dollars on one plane.
[01:03:14]  I kind of understand the thinking.
[01:03:17]  Of something like this.
[01:03:19]  In past days.
[01:03:22]  Although I think that there is a social contract that has come into place that is we will never have a draft again.
[01:03:29]  Ever.
[01:03:29]  No.
[01:03:30]  That is not something that is going to be seen as appropriate on any level.
[01:03:36]  And because of that...
[01:03:38]  I think it would be a show of good faith for the government to just get rid of this office.
[01:03:42]  Yeah.
[01:03:43]  Because there's this premise of it that is like, in case we need this registration...
[01:03:48]  Break glass, yeah.
[01:03:49]  Right.
[01:03:49]  And go ahead and get rid of that, because you're not going to need it because we're not doing a draft again.
[01:03:53]  Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it is always a pretty...
[01:04:00]  Universal step towards fascism whenever you have a standing army at the call.
[01:04:05]  Like, part of that idea of a draft...
[01:04:07]  A standing hypothetical army.
[01:04:08]  Well, no, I mean, the current standing army that we have.
[01:04:11]  The part of that hypothetical draft is you're not really supposed to have an army.
[01:04:16]  So everybody has their own skin in the game, so to speak.
[01:04:20]  And now it is kind of an impunitive...
[01:04:24]  And that's kind of part of our agreement.
[01:04:26]  We don't have a draft, and then we'll look the other way whenever you start wars all the time.
[01:04:31]  We could go ahead and get rid of that part of it, too.
[01:04:33]  Yeah, that would be nice.
[01:04:34]  Get rid of most of these offices.
[01:04:37]  So, look.
[01:04:39]  Alex in the present day talking a lot about being broke.
[01:04:41]  And being in debt.
[01:04:43]  And, you know, he needs money.
[01:04:45]  Yeah.
[01:04:47]  I have found the first time he ever said this.
[01:04:50]  Okay.
[01:04:51]  The very first time.

=== Exposing the Infomercial Scam (10:14) ===

[01:04:53]  Well, I mean, if you believe what he's about to say.
[01:04:55]  Oh, so he says it's the first time.
[01:04:56]  Gotcha.
[01:04:57]  And I have to do this.
[01:04:58]  I've never done this in five years.
[01:05:00]  Never.
[01:05:00]  Not once.
[01:05:02]  I am with the shortwave bill, and Jim Shepard's been helping me, so it's paid to the shortwave outlet.
[01:05:09]  I'm about $15,000 behind, and folks, we need you to simply buy the videos.
[01:05:17]  I let you make copies of them and buy the books and buy the products from sponsors like Jim Shepard.
[01:05:25]  Because when I have a sponsor that covers part of the cost and I cover the other part of the expense, it's very important that that sponsor be supported, especially when they've got a real product that's amazing.
[01:05:39]  I don't mean to make this a long rant.
[01:05:41]  I'm not going to start doing this all the time.
[01:05:43]  But I want to keep reaching the people in that French.
[01:05:46]  In that French village.
[01:05:48]  I want to keep reaching the people in hiding in Indonesia.
[01:05:53]  I want to continue to reach people in Japan and in the highlands of Scotland.
[01:05:59]  Jim Shepard, good to have you on the show.
[01:06:01]  Always a pleasure to be with you, Alex.
[01:06:03]  And I'm sorry you had to sit there while I went through that diatribe.
[01:06:05]  Alex, I really respect the way you do things.
[01:06:08]  You may not know this, but several times I've mentioned to you, Alex, maybe you ought to get an extra sponsor on there.
[01:06:16]  And invariably what you tell me is, Jim, I'm not going to turn my show into an infomercial.
[01:06:22]  I'm not going to do it.
[01:06:25]  I want to get the news out, and that's my primary objective.
[01:06:28]  Wow.
[01:06:29]  Yeah, that's kind of a bummer.
[01:06:32]  That to hear someone else say back to him in the past.
[01:06:36]  Oof.
[01:06:37]  Oof.
[01:06:37]  Bad news, Jim.
[01:06:39]  Yeah, yeah, Jim.
[01:06:41]  Show deteriorated into largely a marketing infomercial.
[01:06:47]  Yikes.
[01:06:48]  Yeah, so he's the water filter sponsor.
[01:06:50]  Right.
[01:06:51]  So basically it's just the introduction of an infomercial with this...
[01:06:56]  Hey, I'm behind on my shortwave bill.
[01:06:59]  Right, right.
[01:06:59]  Because we pay for air time on the shortwave station.
[01:07:03]  Sure, sure.
[01:07:04]  And my water filter guy helps pay that bill, so here he is by his water filter.
[01:07:09]  It does seem very difficult to square someone saying, you know what?
[01:07:13]  I like that you don't do infomercials and you've got the integrity to not turn your show into...
[01:07:19]  Anyways, my water filters are the best!
[01:07:23]  I agree with you.
[01:07:25]  It does bear mentioning that it is not as intrusive at this point.
[01:07:29]  No, no, no.
[01:07:29]  Of course not.
[01:07:30]  It's not the whole show.
[01:07:32]  Right.
[01:07:32]  It's at least like, alright, here is a chunk that they're doing.
[01:07:36]  And it's pretty transparent that this guy's selling his shit.
[01:07:40]  Right.
[01:07:41]  Now at the same time, a lot of Jim's sales pitch for his water filter is about the evils of fluoride.
[01:07:46]  Sure.
[01:07:46]  And so there is still content that's being used as marketing.
[01:07:51]  Right.
[01:07:51]  So there's still that blurry distinction.
[01:07:54]  Spawn con, yeah.
[01:07:54]  But man, it is a far cry from the deterioration into infomercial city.
[01:08:00]  And leaving behind the information that Alex becomes later.
[01:08:05]  It is, like, I appreciate most of all that $15,000 number, you know?
[01:08:13]  Small potatoes when you look at Alex now.
[01:08:15]  You know, but I feel like that's where you gotta stay, at the $15,000 is important to you.
[01:08:20]  Because then, look at him now, he's got shell companies, he's gotta have accountants willing to lie for him, and then he's gotta have accountants that his accountants lie to in order to launder their lies.
[01:08:32]  Right.
[01:08:32]  Like, that is a web of bullshit.
[01:08:34]  Think about this, he's just got a bill!
[01:08:36]  He's in such dicey legal situations that he has to be friends with Barnes.
[01:08:40]  Yeah!
[01:08:41]  All you've gotta...
[01:08:42]  All you have to do is pay your shortwave bill.
[01:08:43]  You stay there.
[01:08:45]  Stay there.
[01:08:45]  It's a good sweet spot.
[01:08:47]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:08:49]  Poor Alex.
[01:08:50]  Yeah.
[01:08:53]  So there's a lot of folks who, you know, defend Alex.
[01:08:57]  Yeah.
[01:08:57]  And one of the things that they say, I think you would agree with, and that is that he tells it like it is.
[01:09:03]  I tell it like it is.
[01:09:05]  I don't pull my punches.
[01:09:06]  I fight evil.
[01:09:07]  I expose the New World Order.
[01:09:10]  Evidence is now coming out.
[01:09:12]  The bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia was the work of the globalists.
[01:09:16]  They were pulling their people out hours before it took place from the very hotel itself, not other hotels.
[01:09:22]  They had threatened the government to submit to total globalist control or terrorist would strike.
[01:09:26]  Telling it like it is.
[01:09:30]  Telling it like it is.
[01:09:32]  No one who says, I tell it like it is.
[01:09:37]  Ever actually one does.
[01:09:39]  Or two, has anything good to say.
[01:09:41]  What about people who calls them like they sees them?
[01:09:44]  Well, that's delicious.
[01:09:45]  As long as you add the plural, yeah.
[01:09:48]  Calls them like I sees them.
[01:09:50]  That's good stuff.
[01:09:51]  Okay, so that one's alright.
[01:09:52]  That's a little bit...
[01:09:53]  That has an irreverent tone.
[01:09:55]  What about a straight shooter?
[01:09:56]  Straight shooter?
[01:09:57]  No.
[01:09:58]  It's something that other people describe you as that makes me think that you are a liar.
[01:10:03]  Uh-huh.
[01:10:03]  Yeah.
[01:10:04]  So Alex takes more calls here, and he gets a call from a guy who I think doesn't believe in laws.
[01:10:11]  I appreciate this man.
[01:10:12]  It's kind of difficult to tell exactly where he's coming from, but he believes, I think, maybe in a God's law kind of situation.
[01:10:22]  He's kind of got that self-evident law.
[01:10:24]  Yeah, natural law, perhaps.
[01:10:26]  He's not specific enough for me to really nail down, but he does believe that just because laws are signed into law, that doesn't mean they're laws.
[01:10:35]  So he's not in the jurisdiction.
[01:10:37]  He's more the law of the jungle kind of guy.
[01:10:41]  Based on his voice, I don't think he'd last in the jungle.
[01:10:45]  Yeah, well, that's probably true.
[01:10:46]  But maybe spiritually.
[01:10:48]  Anyway, he has a request for Alex.
[01:10:51]  Fred, I keep running all over you, but I've had you on a couple segments.
[01:10:54]  Anything else you wanted to add from New Mexico?
[01:10:57]  I just wanted to know if I can get a time to call you for a few minutes off the air.
[01:11:02]  I've got some things to hash over.
[01:11:03]  Just kind of take some thought.
[01:11:07]  Unfortunately, from the time I leave here until about midnight tonight, I'm going to be working.
[01:11:13]  Good excuse.
[01:11:16]  I don't know when I can talk to you, sir.
[01:11:18]  I mean, I'm not trying to say I'm a big shot or anything.
[01:11:21]  I'm in deep trouble.
[01:11:22]  I have hundreds of phone calls, hundreds of emails, faxes with folks that want to talk to me.
[01:11:29]  I mean, let's talk about it here on the air.
[01:11:31]  Go ahead.
[01:11:31]  What's going on?
[01:11:32]  Look, dude, I'm behind the eight ball.
[01:11:34]  I like it when trying to let him down easy gets way out of hand.
[01:11:38]  I'm in big trouble.
[01:11:39]  To the point where he's like, listen, I'm on the run from the cops right now.
[01:11:44]  I can't be taking phone calls at any point in time.
[01:11:47]  I shouldn't even be doing a radio show, honestly.
[01:11:50]  Listen, I had to get rid of my phone.
[01:11:52]  I've got burner phones.
[01:11:53]  I throw them into the ocean after I use them one time.
[01:11:56]  I'm in a bunker that is sealed with lead.
[01:11:58]  And they'll never find me.
[01:12:02]  Listen, I'm behind the eight ball.
[01:12:04]  I'm working for the next six hours.
[01:12:06]  I'm being chased by the cops.
[01:12:08]  I've got to take my daughter fishing at some point.
[01:12:11]  So I can't call you.
[01:12:12]  It seems really obvious the way you could just handle this.
[01:12:16]  And that is that it is unsafe for me to talk to you off the air.
[01:12:20]  I don't know what you're up to.
[01:12:22]  There's a lot of ways that this could expose me.
[01:12:25]  It's just...
[01:12:26]  If you're Alex, this is the simplest thing in the world, but you don't want to give that message because it's too likely to make the audience think that you think that they're crazy or something.
[01:12:38]  Whereas Alex is a big public figure.
[01:12:42]  There is a very acceptable boundary to be like, I'm not talking to you off air.
[01:12:49]  We don't know each other.
[01:12:52]  You can send an email or something, but we're not going to do that.
[01:12:56]  When you actively court people who blur the line between reality and fiction, it's going to be a little bit more of a tighter walk to let them down easy on account of you don't know what part of the fiction that's going to add you into.
[01:13:10]  That's true.
[01:13:12]  You see that through a lot of interactions that Alex has with his fans over the course of time.
[01:13:17]  There is an unwillingness to...
[01:13:21]  Be honest about what the boundary is because of that.
[01:13:24]  I know who you are.
[01:13:25]  Right.
[01:13:25]  I know.
[01:13:27]  And we just need to keep this separate.
[01:13:29]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:13:30]  The only thing I know about you is you believe what I say.
[01:13:34]  You like me, and that's bad.
[01:13:36]  Yeah.
[01:13:37]  It's, you know, that Groucho Marx thing.
[01:13:39]  I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member.
[01:13:41]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:13:42]  Generally, that's used to describe low self-esteem.
[01:13:44]  Right.
[01:13:45]  But with Alex...
[01:13:46]  Ooh, completely different.
[01:13:47]  I made this club, and I don't ever want to visit this club.
[01:13:50]  I lock the door with them inside it.
[01:13:54]  I don't want to be around anybody who would be a member of my club.
[01:13:58]  Listen, I own the double deuce, and I'm not stepping foot in that fucking place.
[01:14:03]  No.
[01:14:04]  So anyway, this caller, here's what he wants to discuss with Alex off air.
[01:14:09]  Let's talk about it here on the air.
[01:14:10]  Go ahead.
[01:14:11]  What's going on?
[01:14:12]  Well, it concerns the interpretation of the Bible.
[01:14:15]  Oh boy.
[01:14:16]  And we are not supposed to fear our enemies.
[01:14:18]  He says to expose the devil and he will flee from you.
[01:14:22]  Oh boy.
[01:14:22]  And it's a long story.
[01:14:24]  Oh boy.
[01:14:25]  The pieces of this puzzle are scattered from one end of the Bible to the other.
[01:14:29]  Put them all together in the right order.
[01:14:32]  It's going to take some serious thought, because Christ said that the scribes will pervert the Scriptures.
[01:14:42]  And there are some places it takes real research to figure out what was changed.
[01:14:48]  This is not the total holy word of God.
[01:14:51]  It is the perverted word of God.

=== Globalist Vacation Tour (07:16) ===

[01:14:54]  And I think it would take half an hour to clarify what I mean.
[01:15:02]  Probably longer than that.
[01:15:03]  Sir, sir, you have just explained why I do not want to talk to you off air.
[01:15:09]  Sir, people have been studying the Bible for quite a while now.
[01:15:14]  You didn't.
[01:15:14]  You have cracked the code.
[01:15:16]  You didn't get there.
[01:15:17]  You cracked the code, you're telling me.
[01:15:19]  And it'll take you half an hour to explain this to me.
[01:15:23]  Yeah, that's...
[01:15:24]  I'm sure you're going to stop at a half hour.
[01:15:26]  I'm going to start the watch.
[01:15:27]  I bet you don't get on with things.
[01:15:30]  Yeah.
[01:15:30]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:15:31]  So we have one last clip here, and I know that another thing that was making the rounds on social media recently was a clip of Alex saying that there was going to be false flag globalist terror attacks.
[01:15:45]  You know, before the midterms.
[01:15:47]  This is another clip that, oh, Ron Flipkowski decided to post without context, relevant context, that Alex says that all the fucking time, pretty much every day.
[01:15:56]  Yeah.
[01:15:56]  It is not worthwhile or meaningful to post at all to make people think that this is like, oh, look at him.
[01:16:03]  Look at him.
[01:16:04]  He's making a desperate, weird prediction.
[01:16:06]  No, this is what he does every day.
[01:16:08]  Yeah.
[01:16:08]  And has since 2003.
[01:16:10]  I've already read Patriot Act 2. It allows them to secretly grab you, blow your head off for any misdemeanor.
[01:16:16]  Sure.
[01:16:16]  And get business records without a court order.
[01:16:19]  And Ashcroft is going to go on a 10-state tour to promote this.
[01:16:24]  Well, I know he's already been on the tour promoting it.
[01:16:26]  I'm sorry, 20-state.
[01:16:28]  20-state tour.
[01:16:29]  But you're telling me that...
[01:16:31]  He's recording a special at Carnegie.
[01:16:33]  It was reported in today's New York Daily News.
[01:16:35]  If you want, you can get the Daily News online.
[01:16:37]  Well, the fact that they're introducing this now tells me they're getting ready to do some boom-booming.
[01:16:40]  They're going to do some boom-booming!
[01:16:43]  I mean, let's see.
[01:16:45]  We've had explosions before the midterm.
[01:16:46]  We've had nukes before a presidential election.
[01:16:50]  Sure.
[01:16:51]  We've had ramp-up school shootings before.
[01:16:55]  They were going to bomb or crash a helicopter into Trump's inauguration.
[01:16:57]  Yep, yep.
[01:16:58]  I mean, obviously the polonium poisoning was rampant for a while.
[01:17:02]  There were two incidents to the same person that also didn't happen.
[01:17:07]  Right, right, right.
[01:17:08]  But yes, there was that.
[01:17:10]  Yeah, I mean, it's constant.
[01:17:12]  It's a hallmark and feature of his career.
[01:17:14]  And anybody who doesn't understand that it's window dressing.
[01:17:20]  It's, again, just like we were...
[01:17:22]  Laughing and joking about this before.
[01:17:24]  It's just like, if you ask Alex, is there a reason to be scared about something?
[01:17:28]  Absolutely.
[01:17:29]  And one of the things he always uses to scare people is that specter of the coming false flag attack that is justified by some piece of his narrative.
[01:17:42]  There is, obviously, Democrats are scared that they're going to lose the midterms, and so they must do bombings in order to make sure they win the midterms.
[01:17:52]  Right.
[01:17:53]  Ashcroft wants to get Patriot Act 2 in, but there's opposition to it from the Patriots.
[01:17:59]  Ah, he's better do some boom-booming in order to make sure that this goes through.
[01:18:04]  It's always this.
[01:18:06]  And I don't understand how it's been 20 years, 20 plus years, and it's still an effective thing.
[01:18:12]  It's still something that people can...
[01:18:14]  It's because people dip in and out.
[01:18:18]  It's because people like Ron Filipowski get to dip in and out.
[01:18:22]  A fucking youth baseball coach turned by the media into some fucking alt-right hero for just being a fucking idiot.
[01:18:31]  I hate him so much.
[01:18:32]  But, I mean, it is that like, oh, if you dip in every three or four months, then you have in your head this idea, well, he can't do this every day.
[01:18:44]  Right.
[01:18:44]  Because you assume that because there's no way he could do this every day.
[01:18:48]  Right.
[01:18:48]  I mean, even if you have an awareness of who Alex is and you don't, I don't pay much attention.
[01:18:53]  Like, John Ronson even was like, does he repeat things often?
[01:18:56]  Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:18:57]  You know, there is an awareness of what Alex does that you only really get by watching a bunch of it.
[01:19:03]  And unfortunately, I don't think that most people should do that because it sucks.
[01:19:06]  Obviously.
[01:19:07]  Well, I mean, the problem is our own assumptions based on how everything else works.
[01:19:12]  It is, to us, unsustainable to do the same thing every day.
[01:19:17]  Will you imagine how bored you would get if a show that you watched did the same thing every day?
[01:19:22]  So you see a clip every few months and you go, wow, this must be an unusual thing.
[01:19:26]  It wouldn't be newsworthy if it was every day.
[01:19:28]  Yeah, he's on one.
[01:19:30]  It wouldn't be newsworthy if it's every day.
[01:19:32]  But it's newsworthy because it's manufactured for you.
[01:19:35]  It's created for you.
[01:19:37]  I think there's that.
[01:19:38]  The dipping in and out for sure is a piece of it.
[01:19:41]  And then I also think that one of the reasons that it stays effective is, you know, there is just pain in the world.
[01:19:48]  Like, negative traumatic events do happen.
[01:19:51]  Sure.
[01:19:52]  And those are things that Alex will then attach these ideas to.
[01:19:56]  Right.
[01:19:57]  And that people, I guess people will just experience that as being the confirmation.
[01:20:02]  Sure.
[01:20:06]  Making up vague warnings about boom booming.
[01:20:10]  Yeah.
[01:20:11]  I mean, the thing that's most suspicious is, like, in 20 years, the globalists would have to have taken a break for a bit at least.
[01:20:19]  No way.
[01:20:19]  But they have never stopped.
[01:20:21]  Not once.
[01:20:22]  There's no...
[01:20:22]  Despite the fact that they celebrate a million holidays every year, it is always a work holiday.
[01:20:28]  They never even take a vacation.
[01:20:30]  Well, they're like Alex that way.
[01:20:32]  Yeah, that's fair.
[01:20:32]  Except even that he's not working ever.
[01:20:35]  No.
[01:20:35]  But...
[01:20:36]  That just gave me an idea for a movie pitch.
[01:20:40]  Globalist vacation?
[01:20:41]  They finally take a vacation.
[01:20:43]  National Lampoon's globalist vacation?
[01:20:45]  Now we have two movie pitches.
[01:20:46]  Okay.
[01:20:47]  That's one.
[01:20:47]  That's the first one, yeah.
[01:20:48]  Second one.
[01:20:49]  The globalists are on vacation.
[01:20:52]  Sure.
[01:20:52]  But there still need to be false flags.
[01:20:54]  Naturally.
[01:20:55]  So they bring in the junior varsity globalists.
[01:20:57]  Right.
[01:20:57]  They have temps.
[01:20:58]  Right.
[01:20:59]  Right, right, right.
[01:20:59]  Absolutely.
[01:21:00]  Somebody gets promoted.
[01:21:02]  This is their big shot.
[01:21:03]  Right.
[01:21:04]  But it turns out this is the eager young person.
[01:21:06]  This is a, if they were younger or if we had made this movie like 15 years ago, this would be a Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson vehicle.
[01:21:14]  Absolutely.
[01:21:14]  They're the guys who come in and they...
[01:21:17]  Ragtag band of misfits.
[01:21:19]  They screw everything up, but at the end they come together and really...
[01:21:22]  We really like the cast of Old School.
[01:21:26]  As the...
[01:21:27]  As the globalist vacation.
[01:21:30]  No, the globalist interns.
[01:21:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:21:33]  What would we call them?
[01:21:34]  I mean, you gotta call them something like the Nation Squad.
[01:21:39]  You know, they're not global.
[01:21:40]  Nah, that sucks.
[01:21:43]  I'm sure your listeners will have something.
[01:21:45]  We'll work on this.
[01:21:46]  We'll workshop this and have it back for you in about six months.
[01:21:49]  We'll get a treatment going.
[01:21:50]  So I'm glad to have gone back to the past because at least there is something concrete going on to be discussed.

=== Wilford Snibblesnabble (00:56) ===

[01:21:58]  Yeah, it's good stuff.
[01:21:59]  That is refreshing.
[01:22:01]  I appreciate the past a great deal.
[01:22:04]  And so we'll check back in on the present day, keep people posted on...
[01:22:09]  I don't know.
[01:22:10]  Dumb bullshit Alex is up to as the terror of the midterms approaches.
[01:22:15]  Oh, the midterms.
[01:22:16]  But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
[01:22:18]  We do have a website.
[01:22:19]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:22:20]  Yep.
[01:22:20]  We're also on Twitter.
[01:22:22]  We are on Twitter.
[01:22:22]  It's at knowledge underscore fight.
[01:22:24]  We'll be back.
[01:22:25]  But until then, I'm Neo.
[01:22:26]  I'm Leo.
[01:22:27]  I'm DZXClark.
[01:22:28]  I'm Gerald Snibbles.
[01:22:30]  No.
[01:22:31]  Wilford Snibblesnabble of the Gribble Pibbles.
[01:22:33]  Yeah, I was wondering where Gerald came from.
[01:22:36]  That's Wilford's cousin.
[01:22:37]  I am Wilford Snibblesnabble of the Gribble Pibble.
[01:22:41]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[01:22:43]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:22:45]  Thanks for holding.
[01:22:47]  Hello, Alex.
[01:22:48]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:22:49]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:22:50]  I love your work.