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June 13, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
01:24:51
#691: June 6, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan come full circle on their coverage of Alex's coverage of the Uvalde shooting.  In this installment, Alex sort of apologizes for his actions, and admits that he believes in leprechauns. Citations

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a
alex jones
15:52
d
dan friesen
45:18
j
jordan holmes
20:33
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Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your world.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
alex jones
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is, yep, it came in the mail.
Just a delightful care package, let's say, from Raptor Princess Bex.
jordan holmes
Yes.
A lot of care packages.
dan friesen
There's a fair amount of chocolate in here that I told you already.
I mean, all tonight.
jordan holmes
They even in the note specifically made it clear that I was to get some.
dan friesen
I gave you the pickles.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
Some pickle relishes, I think.
jordan holmes
Then it's worked out well.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
You're fine.
jordan holmes
I know.
No, but for me, what sustains me is the heartfelt note.
dan friesen
Very nice.
Yes, it was gorgeous.
Yeah, so I'm going to eat all this chocolate.
That's all I can think about.
unidentified
Also...
dan friesen
I'm confused by this.
There was a...
jordan holmes
Yeah, put it out there.
Let everybody else decide for you whether or not kittens are going to eat kittens or if you should eat.
dan friesen
So there is in this a treat pack for cats.
Just a Purina cat treat pack.
jordan holmes
Know for sure that that is for cats.
dan friesen
Along with it, there's also something that looks like it.
They're gummies, and it's a brand called Candy Kittens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know if this is for cats or for humans, and I don't know what to do with this.
jordan holmes
It's shaped in the form of a cat.
You wouldn't feed a giraffe an animal cracker that looked exactly like a giraffe.
That's just uncomfortable.
dan friesen
See, it has allergy advice, which makes me think that it's for humans.
jordan holmes
That does seem more human.
dan friesen
But it's making a big point of, like, it's palm oil free.
Is palm oil something cats can't have?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
What is palm oil?
dan friesen
I don't know!
I'm gonna eat all of them anyway.
unidentified
I don't care.
jordan holmes
I think it's a good idea.
dan friesen
Even if they're for cats.
Eat the cat treats, too.
It's cool for cats.
jordan holmes
It's cool for you.
dan friesen
Squeeze.
jordan holmes
That's how it goes.
dan friesen
So what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, Dan, yesterday, my partner and I went out and played tennis for a while.
Immediately after we went to yoga, which was really cool, because we had a lot of exercise.
But she has gotten good.
dan friesen
At tennis?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Rafa good?
jordan holmes
No, well, I mean, like, here's how good she's gotten.
A few years ago, and...
Barely, you know, it was fun to hit the ball so high, you know, that'd be fun.
We were playing yesterday, and she was kicking my ass!
Eventually, I was like, I think I need to play hard in order to keep up with her.
That's how good she's gotten.
dan friesen
Well, maybe she's been going easy on you the whole time, and now it's finally, fuck it, we're married, I'm gonna go off.
jordan holmes
Have I been getting played this entire time?
Like, this is the ultimate hustle.
dan friesen
She slow-rolled you.
jordan holmes
She got married to me before she kicked my ass.
That makes sense, yeah.
dan friesen
She felt that she could not beat you at tennis before there was a ring on it.
jordan holmes
You know, that makes sense.
unidentified
A lot of women get, you know, they have, all the men are bad, you know?
jordan holmes
So they're like, let's not do this until, you know, I got it.
dan friesen
And, I mean, I think it, who knows how you would respond to being beaten at tennis, you know?
Like, I would wait years to beat you at tennis.
You're going to throw a racket at me.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
I'm not.
Oh, good heavens, no.
No, that's not me.
Any type of that type of competition, I don't even like winning.
It makes me feel bad.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Because then it's like, you feel bad.
I don't like that.
dan friesen
Well, in that case, I would be worried about losing to you.
jordan holmes
If I lose, then I'm going to be real bad.
dan friesen
Jordan wins, he's going to throw a racket at me.
jordan holmes
No, when I was growing up, my oldest brother, he was the one who had the temper.
And it was all competition, too.
He would get kicked out of things because he was so competitive and angry.
So since then, I've grown up with this kind of like...
Don't do that.
And I go way too far the other direction.
dan friesen
Yeah, I had a friend when I was younger who would throw controllers and break them and stuff like that when you'd lose at a game.
And yeah, that kind of taught me early of like...
You can control yourself and not break things.
jordan holmes
Don't do that.
dan friesen
That said, I did punch walls for a little while when I was at my most angsty and mentally ill when I was younger.
jordan holmes
Your brain hasn't fully formed.
A wall is in the way.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
A wall is in the way.
That's what's going on.
dan friesen
I didn't punch any load-bearing walls.
I have lines.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, as we discussed on our last episode, we're going to be continuing and sort of, I would say, wrapping up in terms of a dedicated look.
At the response to the Uvalde shooting on Alex's part.
And I think there's a lot of people who are probably thinking, hey, why don't you cover Alex's response to the January 6th commission?
jordan holmes
Well, there's only one episode.
dan friesen
Of the commission.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a whole season of the commission.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
It's a miniseries.
dan friesen
That's true.
We do need to keep up on his responses.
But the issue is...
On Thursday, that's when the first hearing, the primetime hearing was.
That day, Owen was hosting.
Friday, the next day, Owen was hosting again.
As always, whenever there's something that is like, we need to hear Alex's response to this.
jordan holmes
You're not gonna get it.
dan friesen
No, he hits the bench.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Let the minor league guys take the first hit, see what they've got to throw out there, see what people throw back at them, and then Alex will take a crack at it and see for waters.
dan friesen
And honestly, who knows if it's intentional at all, but it definitely seems to be pretty consistent.
Whenever there is something that's like...
This is going to be nuts.
jordan holmes
We're well over three examples, and that means it's a pattern.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's things that I think are obviously, this is probably a coincidence.
Like, when the new Pope was named.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, Alex wasn't in studio.
jordan holmes
You can't know when the new Pope is going to be named.
dan friesen
Because it could be today, or it could be tomorrow.
jordan holmes
Could be whenever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it is notable that Alex is out of studio whenever there are things that are like...
He might have some real interesting commentary on this.
jordan holmes
If there's a personal connection that emotions might get him to reveal things that maybe he shouldn't.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we're recording this on Sunday.
Yes.
And Alex may be hosting his show this evening, but we don't know by the time we're recording this, and it would be impossible to flip it around.
So maybe we'll have a January 6th committee response thing on Wednesday.
Ideally?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll see.
jordan holmes
We'll see what happens.
dan friesen
If not, maybe some space nonsense or something.
Or the past.
Let's get this taste out of our mouth.
jordan holmes
We haven't gone to the past for a while.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
We've been in that.
dan friesen
The present requires some attention.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, we're going to be talking about June 6th, 2022.
That is a day that...
Something really notable happened on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
We talked about, before the show, giving a teaser.
Maybe we should give a teaser.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you want to give a teaser?
dan friesen
Yeah, because this is what happens that is so fucked up.
jordan holmes
Let's see it.
alex jones
Meanwhile, I didn't get to this clip yesterday.
We're going to play it when we come back.
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
And when I made a mistake, I admit it.
And I've got egg all over my face.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Alex Jones is not always right.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And I'm ashamed of myself.
And I don't say that to like, oh, look, he's ashamed of himself.
I mean, that's how I feel.
I need to admit that.
dan friesen
So, Alex is ashamed of himself and he's got egg all over that face.
jordan holmes
No.
No, I refuse to believe that he experiences shame.
I refuse to believe it!
dan friesen
Of course.
But yes, there is a bit of a protracted quote-unquote apology in this episode about his coverage of Uralde.
Right, right, right.
And so we will get to that, and we'll see the path that we get to the apology.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And again, in heavy quotes, apology.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
But before we do that, Jordan...
Let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Sunbee, that's me, says hello to Tanooki Town.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Hello, the Tanooki suit from Mario.
jordan holmes
Everybody loves it.
dan friesen
Mario 3 turned into a statue.
jordan holmes
I didn't know it could turn into a statue until two years ago.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Straight up.
dan friesen
Terrible.
jordan holmes
Never even found the hammer suit.
Brutal.
dan friesen
Next, Space Forge.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Hawk Jefferson from Twisting Plancha Podcasts.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, The Build-A-Bear Group.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, I don't patronize bunny rabbits.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you!
dan friesen
And we got two technocrates in the mix, Jordan.
So first, we're a couple of dudes who sit around and worship at the altar of ghosts and laugh at 1997, the mummy memes.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And trans rights, and then in parentheses it says dramatic pause.
Or else, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
I'm going to play the old one again.
jordan holmes
Do it.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan, we start here at the beginning of the show.
And here's where Alex's headspace is in at the jump.
alex jones
All right.
Most people don't realize they're living through extremely historical events until it's already happened.
And I am not a doom and gloomer.
I have incredible optimism in humanity.
I believe in humanity's future.
I believe we'll colonize space.
dan friesen
Yeah, very optimistic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I think that's not true at all.
jordan holmes
How is it that we're going to colonize space if the globalist plan is to kill all of us and then colonize space by themselves?
dan friesen
Well, because you have to defeat the globalists and then you'll be able to colonize space because you will have passed God's test of the devil that is the globalist.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Okay, throw this out there.
dan friesen
I'm listening.
jordan holmes
If more than one human...
Right, because we assume the globalists are interdimensional demons, naturally, for the most part.
But they've got to have some humans working with them.
So they get off-planet.
We're all humans.
Did we technically get off-planet?
dan friesen
No, because you're being possessed by the demons if you're working with the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
You know, somehow the demon possession works into your genes and you're no longer human.
Much like these QAnon folks believe that the COVID vaccine makes you a genetically modified organism.
jordan holmes
That's true.
They have a patent on you.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it would probably be the same.
So yeah, if the globalists colonize space, that's kind of a bust.
jordan holmes
Then it's all over for us.
We can't let them get off planet.
dan friesen
I would take issue with Alex's claim that he's an optimist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
dan friesen
That definitely does not seem true.
I can't count the number of times he said we're all dead.
jordan holmes
We are all dead.
dan friesen
It's hopeless.
jordan holmes
Billions dead.
dan friesen
Even when he's optimistic, it's like, maybe only...
jordan holmes
A billion.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then I will be able to strangle Klaus Schwab with my parents.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
That's the good scenario.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's still a bit pessimistic, I think.
So, yeah, I think he's in a strange space, as evidenced by...
alex jones
And the science has shown that there are other dimensions more powerful energetically than our own, holding our dimension in place.
The higher dimensions are there, as the mathematical equations show.
jordan holmes
What?
Show it.
Show me the math.
Show me the math.
alex jones
And there are evil influences in the universe as well, not just...
The impetus of Genesis and life.
So let me just state this very calmly in a very controlled way.
We know from history, we know from the Bible, we know from every other ancient text as well.
jordan holmes
I'm going to call my shot on this one.
alex jones
No, we don't.
That humanity goes through cycles of death and rebirth.
And everybody's seen the meme that says, hard times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make weak men.
Weak men make bad times.
Or you can reverse it.
Weak men make bad times.
dan friesen
You can reverse it.
jordan holmes
Wow.
That is bull.
dan friesen
So I think there's some interesting things that you can take away from this.
First, obviously, this is a little bit silly.
Yeah.
The space-time evil dimensions proven by math.
jordan holmes
Evil dimensions, they've got more energy.
dan friesen
I'm going to wait until he demonstrates that to believe it.
jordan holmes
I could use a little math.
dan friesen
I think at the end there, with this meme that he has about hard times make strong men stuff.
I think that if you believe that, you can no longer believe, like, really in free will.
Like, you have a pretty deterministic view of stuff, because that's essentially saying that who you are and the hardiness that you have is determined by your circumstances.
jordan holmes
Entirely.
dan friesen
There's nothing, like, in good times...
Tough men won't exist or whatever.
I think that's a little bit silly to assume that everybody is just sort of blowing around in the wind.
Especially it's silly if you believe the sort of stuff that Alex believes.
It's incompatible.
jordan holmes
It doesn't really make sense to believe that the times make a man if you believe that God created you with all of your characteristics already intact at the beginning.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Then the times make nothing.
The times are simply where God plugs people in and out, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a fine thing for a meme, I guess.
I mean, it's sort of a way of contextualizing, like, hey, things were tough, and I learned from them, or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, ultimately what you're saying is if times are tough, then people have to be tougher in order to deal with it.
It's kind of an inspirational thing, and if you try and take it seriously, you're going to lose your mind.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, but I get it.
I guess Alex has reached nirvana of some sort, that life is a cycle of death and rebirth, and what have you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I saw a heavily edited AI conversation, so we know that's true.
dan friesen
I think that there's a weird implication there, too, and that is that, like, why would you fight the death, then, if it's just a part of the cycle that leads to the next rebirth?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, what's the point?
Make peace with the fact that his death is coming and there will be a rebirth afterwards.
jordan holmes
Have you not...
dan friesen
Does Alex really think that he's capable of breaking the cycle of death and rebirth?
jordan holmes
What?
I mean, the wheel of reincarnation.
I really think that next time Alex is not going to come back the way that he thinks he is.
dan friesen
I definitely...
If he believes in reincarnation, yes.
I definitely believe that that is the case.
jordan holmes
He is no Brahmin.
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
He's going to come back as one of his kid's children.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You are your ancestors.
God, that'd be even worse!
Yeah, so I think there's a lot of convoluted nonsense going on here.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
But see, this cycle, it continues.
And here's where we are, man.
alex jones
Good men make good times.
And good times make bad men.
That's a simple way to go over the cycle, but it is a known cycle that humans have behaved in this way over and over again.
And at the end of the cycle, what always happens?
People start cheating on their husbands and wives.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
People start having sex with the same sex.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm not even judging people that do that.
jordan holmes
Yes, you are!
alex jones
As a person.
I'm just saying this is historical.
jordan holmes
That's what you're saying!
alex jones
And then they come at her children and want to have sex with them.
That's you!
And I am 100% against that.
And then they want to start sacrificing the children.
Well, we're here, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's where we're at, sacrificing children time.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think you're right, that it is judgmental.
What are you saying?
jordan holmes
Listen, I don't judge you personally for your behavior.
What you are is the harbinger of the death of all men.
Listen, it's not personal.
You're just an example of how all men are weak and going to die in this time period.
dan friesen
Right, right.
People having same-sex relationships is a sign of the end times.
I think that this is silly and offensive and clearly based in a bigotry that he has against the LGBTQ community.
But I do think that if he wants me to take this at all seriously, then he needs to have as much anger as he does towards drag queen story time for anybody who cheats on their spouse.
Yeah.
unidentified
He needs to have that as a consistent thing, because if cheating on your spouse is also a harbinger of these end times, then shouldn't you care a lot about that?
dan friesen
Did you ever have any infidelity, Alex?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Aren't you remarried?
Shouldn't you still be with your first wife?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, by the babe.
Well, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I find this insincere and just sort of a rationalization for him to be able to attack the communities that he wants to attack.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the problem there is if you start looking at history, you'll start looking at that strong men, weak men meme and then start looking at matriarchal societies that function and have happiness and are joyful.
And you're like, oh man, maybe we should just not have the men part.
Maybe that's why the cycle keeps happening is you keep caring about men.
Hard men, weak men, doesn't matter!
Get them out of here!
dan friesen
I think also some of that perception about the hard men come in hard times or whatever, probably a lot of that has to do with our storytelling and the way we hero-worship certain aspects.
I would assume that it has a lot to do with folklore and myth.
But yeah, so they're sacrificing children.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And here's what he means by that, because he doesn't mean it literally, although he wants the audience to feel like it.
Yeah.
alex jones
Well, we're here, ladies and gentlemen, and at a gay strip bar in Dallas this weekend.
jordan holmes
Which one?
alex jones
With a big neon sign saying it's not going to lick itself behind little children and all sorts of other pornographic statements.
Children as young as three years old were brought in and paraded around like Roman standards that have been captured by the enemy.
dan friesen
So what other sexually obscene slogans were there on the walls?
I don't know.
I guess if he wants to claim that.
He can, but this wasn't a strip show at all.
There was a drag show in Dallas.
It was at a gay bar, that is true, and it was part of Pride.
But it was during the day, as evidenced by the large number of adults yelling groomer at people outside the venue.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there was a sign.
There were pictures of this, and the right wing has been up in a tizzy.
Oh, of course.
jordan holmes
Oh, they have the signs.
dan friesen
And it said, it's not going to lick itself.
And this is a sign that's from a popular ice cream shop.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think everyone there was probably aware that that's a slogan of the ice cream shop that's super popular in town, so it wouldn't necessarily have as much of a hard sexual innuendo to the people that are there.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They would have more of a familiarity with this.
jordan holmes
It's more of a soft sexual innuendo.
dan friesen
Soft serve.
jordan holmes
Ah!
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess if that's child sacrifice.
I don't know.
I don't know what to say.
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
I don't know what three-year-old is capable of understanding concepts.
Listen, they can read.
That's possible.
I'm not saying the three-year-olds can't read.
However, the concept of soft sexual innuendo seems a little bit beyond them.
That's just me.
dan friesen
I am not an expert on raising children because I have not interacted with children in quite a while.
But I do remember that when I was in middle school, I rode bus 69 to school.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And people made jokes about it.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
And I didn't get it.
That's pretty blunt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a decent chance that in a city where there's a popular ice cream shop where this is their slogan, the kids might just be like, oh, it's like the ice cream.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Who cares?
Great.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
So Alex complains a bit about all of his enemies, and he just gets mad at the devil worshippers.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And this is going to go on a while, but I just want people to feel this.
We don't experience this much on the show, because we turn it off after an ad pivot.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I've spoiled that there's an ad pivot coming.
jordan holmes
Yes, you have.
dan friesen
Just live in this.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
alex jones
I hate these devil-worshiping pedophiles.
Every cell in my body wants to get them off our children.
And I can't do it without you, and you can't do it without me, and we can't do it without God.
But together, we can do anything that we will.
And the fact that they've accelerated their whole agenda right now, and it's all out in the open and the mask is off, is because the devil sends the beast with wrath because he knows his time is short.
Let he who have understanding reckon the number of the beast.
For it is the number of a man, 666.
42. So I'm going to hit this economic news with this all ties together.
The most important work InfoWars has ever done is now here.
And I want to thank you for sponsoring us.
dan friesen
Research Wars?
alex jones
George Soros is the world funding us.
We have people like you.
I've never had big donors.
Without the big donors that came in, we would be in the red worse than I thought, and we'd be having to lay off half our crew as we speak this month.
But some folks came through and literally sustained us, but I don't want to get into the red again.
dan friesen
Real quick, we'll get back to this, but I really do feel, you know, we're at the point Alex is mentioning that these big donors essentially saved his ability to do the show.
We're at the point where he needs to disclose who these people are, because if there are conflicts of interest...
I don't think that this is the case, but because he doesn't disclose who these people are, you have to start thinking, who could it be?
Someone who's willing to drop $8 million in Bitcoin on this fucking idiot.
Alex says that all of these billionaires and all these really rich people in the elites, they're all lined up in the side of the globalists, except for Elon Musk, which is normal for Alex.
But then the other name he throws in is Peter Thiel.
I don't think that Peter Thiel is the person who gave him the money, but because he won't disclose who this donor is, it makes you think Peter Thiel is someone who probably could have access to millions of dollars of Bitcoin.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It seems like that is a possible person, and if it is, there are implied reasons he would give Alex that money in order to bail him out of trouble.
And so he needs to disclose who this person is for the sake of...
The integrity of his show?
The imaginary integrity of his show?
jordan holmes
Something, I guess.
dan friesen
But yeah, that troubled me a little bit.
Because I've not heard him say positive things about Peter Thiel before.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine him doing that.
Literally, Peter Thiel exists as the almost prototype of the globalist that Alex believes in.
dan friesen
And he's responsible for a very chilling effect on free speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a monster!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's an absolute monster!
dan friesen
But he also donated to Trump.
jordan holmes
No, I know he did that.
No, no, no.
Not many people have championed evil quite as well as Peter Thiel.
dan friesen
I'm saying from Alex's perspective.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Which is, yeah.
dan friesen
He was into Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled plugs.
alex jones
Plus, I've got products you need.
We've got less than 10% of the coins left at InfoWarsStore.com.
There's a link.
Or 1776Coin.com.
It's the third and final coin in the 1776.
Less than 10%.
It's a founding member coin.
Meaning you give us your email and you get this coin, you will get special deals, exclusive documentaries, reports.
I'm planning a bunch of stuff that's almost complete.
It is complete, a lot of it.
I've just been so busy, I haven't got a bunch of it launched.
And you are the folks that financed it and did it.
I salute you.
And if you've never gotten one of the coins or you want to be a founding member, it's your last chance in the markup.
And the reason it costs, obviously, more than the coin does.
It's because it funds our operation.
You're buying a memento to know that you donated to this operation.
It's such a historical point.
1776coin.com, the final free men bear arms.
Come and take a coin in the series.
1776coin.com or 888-253-3139.
And finally, this always happens.
Usually it does.
I've not come up with new specials.
And I was meeting for an hour this morning just looking at what products we even have in stock.
They're like, well, you only sell products when they're for sale, and you're running out of these, and more isn't coming in for a few months, even though we've got a better supplier now for four of the supplements.
We've made a lot of moves, thank God, and found a lot of patriots out there with big, successful companies that are working with us.
So we're stabilizing here for now, thanks to all of you carrying us through.
We really can't offer deals like this much longer.
The Memorial Day special is going to have to go another day or two because I just don't even know what I'm going to have for sale here, quite frankly.
dan friesen
This goes on like three more minutes.
It's incessant.
It's so long.
jordan holmes
Why do I feel like I'm getting a middle ground between an apology and a sales pitch and an apology for the sales pitch?
dan friesen
It's low energy.
But here's the thing.
It's the...
The introduction of this is that, like, yelling about how he hates the demon pedophiles and what have you, and you can't beat them without me.
And then this leads into this protracted sales pitch about how the Memorial Day sale is still in effect.
Compounding with the Easter sale.
jordan holmes
I mean, apparently it's an apology for not having a different name for the sale, which is essentially going to be the exact same sale.
dan friesen
I have a spoiler, too.
What's that?
Alex never has time to make a new special.
That happens all the time.
He's constantly being like, oh no, I haven't had time to make a new sale.
And you're right, it is just a new name.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, we're weeks away from Christmas in July special, so what do we do?
dan friesen
Double Patriot points.
jordan holmes
He can't be like, oh, we're doing Pride Month special.
Nope, can't do that one.
dan friesen
I think it would be interesting.
jordan holmes
That would be interesting.
dan friesen
Peter Thiel made him do it.
jordan holmes
What a fucking turnaround that would be.
dan friesen
So he does an entire segment.
That is just ads.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And very, very much a bummer.
Oh, also, at different points in the show, he does say that there's different amounts of those coins still available.
So I'm very distrusting of how well these are moving.
jordan holmes
Less than 10% available.
10% sold.
dan friesen
He said there's like half left in other points.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We'll see.
But here, look, man.
The reality is this.
alex jones
Let me just start going into it here.
Man, I tell you.
The problem is I got too much niche.
And again, my frustration is if I don't drill into each one properly, I don't give it context in my view.
And that doesn't help things.
But at the same time, you just can't get to all of it.
So I'll just give you the headlines, a little bit of the news, and then give you my synopsis.
You can go read the articles yourself and decide if you think I'm right or what you think is going on.
I'm sure you'll have something to add to it.
dan friesen
I feel like it's bizarre that Alex can spend an entire segment on ads and then be like, I have too much news to get into.
jordan holmes
I just have so much news.
dan friesen
Which is fine, I guess.
That's de rigueur.
But I find it fascinating that Alex thinks that what he's describing isn't what he just does all the time.
I'm going to read some headlines.
I'm going to riff on it for a second, and then I don't give a fuck.
You can go read it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you go read it and decide if I'm right or wrong.
dan friesen
Right, and no one goes and reads anything.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then nothing happens.
Nothing gets done.
There's no progress.
Nobody understands anything better.
I don't know why he thinks that that's not his normal day at work.
jordan holmes
I would like to hear him describe what he does that's not that.
You know, like, well, listen, today I've got too much news, so I can't do what I normally do.
Which is dig into each story.
dan friesen
I think he thinks that he does that.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Maybe.
I can't imagine thinking that.
jordan holmes
Me neither.
dan friesen
I mean, he doesn't even realize it when he has a stack of news articles that have been printed out and they're all the same story with different headlines from different places.
He doesn't do anything.
He doesn't know anything.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's all just improv based on the headlines as suggestions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the part that's written is the part where he says that he's almost going to do a different thing.
dan friesen
No, the part that's written is, I need to make a new sale.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So here's an interesting thing.
I don't know how to deal with this.
alex jones
White supremacy that's as rare as a leprechaun.
I mean, it happens, but somebody saw a leprechaun once.
I mean, it's going on.
It's very rare.
dan friesen
Alex believes in leprechauns.
jordan holmes
So, somebody saw a leprechaun once.
Apparently.
Okay.
So, he stated as fact, somebody saw a leprechaun once, so now everybody believes in leprechauns.
dan friesen
Somebody saw a leprechaun once, it's going on.
jordan holmes
I mean, but wait.
But hold on.
So that means...
But it doesn't mean that...
Oh, man.
You can't just say the leprechaun thing at me.
No.
dan friesen
It's an interesting way for Alex to...
jordan holmes
Minimize white supremacy?
dan friesen
But what he was saying is it's as rare as a leprechaun, but then he realized leprechauns don't exist.
jordan holmes
They don't exist.
dan friesen
And so he's saying that white supremacy doesn't exist.
So now he has to commit to believing in a leprechaun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a leprechaun is real.
Or white supremacy is not.
dan friesen
I saw that series of documentaries.
There was one where the leprechaun went to the hood.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think we need to get a magician.
dan friesen
There was one where he was in space.
jordan holmes
What is it?
dan friesen
There was a leprechaun trying to colonize space.
We've got to beat him to it.
Oh boy.
So yeah, Alex believes in leprechauns.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he doesn't believe in the most common ideology.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
White supremacy.
dan friesen
Oh.
Yep.
So, yeah, it would be like if there were leprechauns all over the place.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You couldn't fucking kick, you couldn't walk without kicking three or four leprechauns.
dan friesen
If, like, General Mills got canceled for having Lucky Charms.
jordan holmes
If, like, it'd be like leprechauns would open windows and toss chamber pots filled with gold on top of your head.
You wouldn't be able to walk without having an umbrella.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Instead of TikTok, we'd have riddles.
jordan holmes
Just riddle.
Dude, wait.
dan friesen
Do leprechauns tell riddles?
jordan holmes
Leprechauns do not tell riddles.
Shit.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Mixing up my myths.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, a lot of this is dumb nonsense.
But then also, a lot of the beginning of this show ends up getting into some territory that he feels a little bit hurt by.
alex jones
And I'm not going to even go over all the lies.
It's just staggering.
But I mean...
Here's an example.
Last week, hundreds of publications, Reuters, AP, New York Times, Washington Post, basically hundreds that I saw, said Jones thrown out of bankruptcy court by the Justice Department for being a criminal, and it's a huge victory for the Sandy Hook parents.
They dropped their lawsuits against InfoWars and against our key real companies saying they were fake.
And it's a devastating victory for the truth and everything.
They're still suing free speech systems, and that's ongoing.
But I'm not going to give you the inside baseball, but I'm going to leave it at that.
The point is, is that they're at the table right now.
And then you look at the news, oh, Alex Jones and the Justice Department, they dropped their lawsuits against InfoWars and three other companies, InfoWars Health, and so we dropped the bankruptcy.
Total victory.
And then they spin it that, oh, I'm a criminal, and the DOJ made them drop it.
dan friesen
This isn't at all accurate.
jordan holmes
That's weak.
dan friesen
So, to sum up, Alex attempted to file bankruptcy for three of his companies that don't actually exist except on paper.
jordan holmes
Three key real companies.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That was a little funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A little silly.
jordan holmes
Key real companies.
dan friesen
So these three companies were among the named defendants in the cases against Alex because prior to the suit, it was really unclear how his businesses were arranged.
And it wasn't known that none of these companies even do any business.
Alex tried to bankrupt these companies because he knew that doing so would put a halt on the trial for damages in the Sandy Hook cases, which is why he filed days before the trial was set to begin in Texas.
It was a desperate move on his part because he knew that was the only way he could buy time, and ultimately, because the companies he was bankrupting didn't have any assets or do any business, it wouldn't make any difference to him if he did that.
Because that was the case, and because of the new awareness of these companies that they aren't really real, the plaintiffs decided that they could drop these companies from the lawsuit as a way to make it so.
Alex's bankrupting of them wouldn't affect the case's ability to move forward.
There wasn't anything that they could collect from these companies on judgment anyway, so it didn't matter to drop those companies from the suit.
It didn't.
It's a zero.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The trial itself got postponed still, and that was obviously the goal.
And now that that goal has been achieved, there's really no reason to continue with the charade of the bankruptcy.
The plaintiffs dropped the non-existent companies from the suit, and Alex withdrew the bankruptcy claims, so the case can now move forward, and none of the...
Like, it's basically like none of this had ever happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
Nope.
Yeah, yeah, His spin sounds good if you know nothing about the case, like his audience almost certainly does.
But if you've been following this at all, this is just complete bullshit.
and You know that he knows he's lying.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
There's no way he could say these things sincerely.
jordan holmes
He said key real companies.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What is that?
Say that in any way that isn't obviously you saying that these are fake companies.
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a tell.
jordan holmes
It'd be key companies.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
You'd be like, oh, those are central to your business operation.
But you had to specifically say to me they were key real companies.
dan friesen
I must insist.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
dan friesen
I must insist that this company is very real.
jordan holmes
Do you have key fake companies as well?
These are the important fake companies we have.
dan friesen
And Alex screams a bunch about how, like, I tried to open up my books to show them that I don't have the money they think I do.
And I would take that way more seriously if he bankrupted himself and Free Speech Systems.
But there's a reason he didn't do that, and that's the reason that the trial is coming up at the end of July, and he's going to be fucked still.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the idea.
dan friesen
It does not matter that these other companies got dropped.
jordan holmes
That is the idea.
dan friesen
But he's oppressed.
jordan holmes
By whom?
dan friesen
The system.
jordan holmes
Oh, which one?
alex jones
I didn't intend to go off on a big tirade, a jag, about the Justice Department and the stuff they do.
To me, you can pull it up, thousands of articles in the last few months.
Jones is a fraud.
Jones has filed a criminal bankruptcy.
Jones, never looking at one document, none of it ever even got entered in.
Never got to that point.
They're supposed to be a deliberative body.
They're supposed to get evidence.
They're supposed to actually know what they're talking about.
And then again, they smoke their own dope and drop all their challenges against our main companies saying it's a fraud.
jordan holmes
Our key main real companies.
alex jones
Because you see, they think I'm like them.
They think everything that comes out of my mouth is a lie like them.
When everything I do is to strive.
To be as accurate as I can, because I believe that's the currency people want, is truth.
dan friesen
I think the lady doth protest too much.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a little dumb.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I know you are, but what am I is a lot shorter way of saying that.
It's really uncomfortable to hear a man use a lot more words to say, I'm rubber and you're glue.
dan friesen
Right.
But you know what?
There is something that is kind of compelling about this if you're a listener of his show, and that is you would assume that InfoWars LLC is the main company.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because the company is named InfoWars.
Everybody calls it InfoWars.
The logo says InfoWars.
And so the...
The notion that the InfoWars itself was dropped from the suit would give people that perception, that, like, that is the main real company, but it's not.
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's, uh...
alex jones
In the fact...
dan friesen
I see the value of the spin that he's using for his audience's sake.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
But it's dumb.
jordan holmes
And it was also a deliberate choice to name a shell company, a fake, a key fake company, after the name of your actual business.
dan friesen
But yeah, I don't know.
Anyway, Alex is like, these people, they think that I'm a liar because they're liars.
And look, I'm not a liar.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Now, I've done almost 700 episodes of a podcast thoroughly talking maybe too much about the myriad lies that he tells.
And I would say, look, there's some repetition in our show.
But not that much.
jordan holmes
Not as much as, well, his.
dan friesen
It's not like we talk about the same bullshit every day.
jordan holmes
We really don't.
We really don't.
dan friesen
It's new and fabulous lies that he tells.
But look, he doesn't.
When he's wrong, he wants you to know.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
alex jones
They literally think we're like them.
And guess what, losers?
We're not.
We're good.
The listeners, and there's millions and millions every day and millions more every week, they tune in here because they know they're getting their best shot at accurate analysis.
And when I'm wrong, I'll tell you because I want you to know it.
Because I want to get better.
And that's really the difference.
These people just think up the biggest lies they can and think about how do they deceive people and how do they screw people.
I don't want to live in a world like that.
I have children.
dan friesen
If Alex wants to know what he's got wrong so he can do better, I have 700 episodes of the podcast for you to study.
jordan holmes
You've got a lot of evidence there.
dan friesen
Get to work!
jordan holmes
I mean, it is...
It's one of those things where we've developed a tone of voice over centuries and thousands of years in order to communicate emotions without words.
At no point in time in human history has a good person ever been up in your face screaming, Listen, buddy, we're good people.
You're telling the truth.
dan friesen
It seems rare.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying it's not possible.
dan friesen
Right.
I bet at some point it has happened, maybe in the Wild West, when everybody was rough.
jordan holmes
I'm going to throw this out at you.
In the Bible, which he supposedly likes, you know, that whole, like...
Don't say you're a good person.
People know because you do things that make them think you're a good person.
dan friesen
Right, right.
But what if instead you yelled a lot?
jordan holmes
That's a possible thing.
dan friesen
About how good you are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I didn't consider that one.
That one seems a lot faster.
dan friesen
There wasn't a radio show in the Bible, right?
jordan holmes
That's true.
Saul would never have become Paul if he had a radio show.
He would have just been Alex Jones.
dan friesen
And also Alex would never walk along a road.
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
So this is the context that brings up Alex's apology.
Essentially, he is in this state where he's complaining about the media, lying about him and his cases.
All this is like, I want to be honest!
jordan holmes
I am not a liar!
It's about striving for accuracy.
dan friesen
And so that leads him to his, I have egg on my face.
I am ashamed.
But before we get to that, Alex does have to discuss his own weaknesses a little bit.
And this is interesting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You don't think I don't know.
Karma is real.
You reap what you sow.
Because I've done things unintentionally bad in my life.
And it came back on me.
I'm scared to do bad.
It's not like I want to do bad either.
I morally don't want to do bad.
But I'm scared to mess up.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And that's why we're so different from these people.
is I'm scared I'm going to get pissed and bash somebody's brains out.
jordan holmes
We're good.
unidentified
Amen.
alex jones
I gotta keep that under control.
And I know when I get under pressure, my mind will twist things sometimes and convince me that doing bad things is moral.
And when I was younger, I couldn't control that and made a lot of mistakes.
I make far fewer now.
dan friesen
Maybe your perception is just different.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Maybe you're really rich and surrounded by people who don't check you anymore, and you are still making the exact same analyses of whether or not the things you're doing are good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What you can do...
So there's two ways to go about this, all right?
You can do good things, right?
And then people go, wow, you're doing good things.
Or you can give people a lot of money to say you're doing good things.
dan friesen
That is an option.
jordan holmes
Same thing.
dan friesen
I think we got quite a list here of Alex's failings.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's intensely violent.
He wants to fuck everybody.
And sometimes his brain tells him evil is good.
jordan holmes
I just look at this person and see somebody who is, even when trying to make sense of the world in a way that is like...
Like, I know I'm telling you a lie right now.
You know, like, Alex knows when he's lying to you.
dan friesen
And my brain is telling me that that's actually good.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
Like, he's just so fucking confused.
This is a confused, scared boy that got a million billion dollars and a radio show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It really shows the danger of dentistry.
Because, you know, you get a rich dentist dad.
Who just enables your bullshit.
jordan holmes
No, do you know what it is?
Here's what it is.
Exactly.
It is the Twilight Zone episode where the kid has the psychic powers and the adults all around him are just enslaved to that child's whims, you know?
Do anything wrong and you might turn into a lamp.
That's what we're dealing with with Alex.
If that kid grew up and everybody was like, well, I guess we just live like this now.
dan friesen
You know what else I was thinking about, too?
I was thinking that this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for 9-11.
Alex's career would not exist, really, without that long stretch of building up a weird community around 9-11 trutherism.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
Or at least he would still exist, but mostly on shortwave or something, in the niche area.
I don't think he has the capability.
He did write a book, and it is nowhere near the appeal of a Behold a Pale Horse.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's no Bill Cooper on that level.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
And maybe...
This is what the terrorists wanted.
Maybe all along is a long game.
They did 9-11 in order to facilitate the creation of an unhinged weirdo conspiracy theorist in Texas in order to destabilize democracy.
jordan holmes
I'm not joking when I say I really do think that that's going to be going down as the most successful terror attack in history.
because if your goal was to destroy the United States, it's hard to believe that everything we've done since 9-11 has not gone that direction.
dan friesen
Going through my head, trying to think of other terrorist attacks, and yeah, I don't Sure!
Leads me to be like, well, maybe not, but I can't think of anything.
jordan holmes
And I don't mean successful in terms of like...
dan friesen
Impactful, you mean.
jordan holmes
Exactly, exactly.
Like, in real terms, that event stoked everything that led to where we are.
You know, the militarization of police, ICE, Homeland Security, the fucking rise of the far right, the massive amount of Islamophobia leading all the way back to LGBTQ homophobia, all the way back!
Like, it goes all the way around.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I have a lot of faith in us being able to create bad situations.
So I have some...
I have to hold on to a belief that we would have got to a terrible place even without it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do think...
I think that you could see a lot of the sort of ripple waves for sure coming from that.
But yeah, I was just trying to make a joke about the terrorists wanting to create Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I think they did.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So Alex has really been out of shape about how everyone's lying about his court case, even though they're telling the truth about it and he's lying.
jordan holmes
Right, but they're lying, so he's telling the truth.
dan friesen
But in order to really make it real that he tries to do a good job, that leads us to where we had our cliffhanger.
alex jones
Meanwhile, I didn't get to this clip yesterday.
We're going to play it when we come back.
unidentified
We're going to play it when we come back.
alex jones
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
And when I made a mistake, I admit it.
And I've got egg all over my face.
Alex Jones is not always right.
And I'm ashamed of myself.
And I don't say that to like, oh, look, he's ashamed of himself.
I mean, that's how I feel.
jordan holmes
Good.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
I need to admit that.
dan friesen
I wish he felt that way more generally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As opposed to, like, in this very niche-specific situation.
And I think we're gonna, as we look at this apology, I think we're very clearly going to see he is not apologizing for anything.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
He is transitioning a narrative.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And also blaming everybody but himself.
jordan holmes
It's not his fault.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He was trying.
He was striving, and he just got bad information from all the liars out there.
dan friesen
Some, somewhat, that's part of his angle.
There's other parts of it, too.
jordan holmes
That's amazing to me.
I mean, it obviously has to be that he's not actually ashamed.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
But the idea that he could be, like, ashamed, in terms of, like, what a relative ashamedment is, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, what is my shame relative to what that man must feel?
If he feels shame.
dan friesen
He feels no shame.
Exactly.
I think when he talks about I feel ashamed, it's a missed opportunity.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that's what he's really expressing is like, I whiffed on this one.
There was another way I could have covered this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I really think I fucked up based on my own brand.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's basically the long and short of what we're going to get to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, he's going to say- I mean, we talked about that on the first episode covering this stuff.
Totally.
It's like, this is completely alien to Alex's coverage.
jordan holmes
No, he's going to apologize for trying to tell the truth.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's correct.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he's going to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, and also that he was too tired to go to Uvalde.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here!
dan friesen
He was going to go, but he was too tired.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's tired.
unidentified
I am tired.
alex jones
And I did want to get in the car and drive three hours to Uvalde.
And I just want to believe in Texas and I want to believe in police and I want to believe in the system.
Because I know that that old system's not perfect but it's under attack.
So I got up here on air and I regurgitated the official story.
And even after the evidence came out that it was a lie, I just lazily went along with it.
dan friesen
So there's a couple points I want to make clear before Alex tries to do any kind of apologizing.
The first is that he did not just go along with the mainstream official narrative, which happened to end up being inaccurate.
Alex was all over the place, treating 4chan hoaxes as serious reporting and making up that the shooting wasn't a shooting but was really a hostage situation.
Alex can easily be forgiven for the things that he misreported based on faulty information that was coming from official sources.
But if he expects anyone to take his correction slash apology seriously, he needs to actually understand what he did that was wrong.
He'll never do that because it really penetrates his entire facade if he lets the audience in on the fun secret that he's just making shit up all the time.
The second thing that's important to point out here is that Alex is literally admitting on air that he reported information that he knew to be inaccurate because he didn't want to criticize the cops.
Alex recognized that the left and all of his imagined enemies were being very critical of the police, so he tried to be the opposite of that, defending the police even when he knew that what he was saying was a lie.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you listen to this show and you take Alex at all seriously, this should be a massive wake-up call.
This is not Alex saying that he got something wrong.
It's him saying that he actively and knowingly lied on air because it was better for the position he wanted to take.
It may feel like he's doing a correction that somehow indicates that this is a unique situation, but that's nonsense.
He's already couching this as an apology for regurgitating the mainstream media's narrative, which is an effort to pretend to take responsibility while ultimately shifting the blame away from yourself onto the media.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he literally just said that it was lazily.
dan friesen
I lazily reported things that I knew were a lie.
jordan holmes
He said, I knew those were false.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But then I went along with the official story lazily.
dan friesen
Because he was tired.
jordan holmes
As though that's a thing you can do.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
I was just too lazy to tell the truth today, so I figured what I'd do is go with the official lie.
dan friesen
A far more reasonable thing to say in a situation like this is, I mean, like what most media outlets would probably say, and that is...
You know, we got reporting that came from sources that are official, and it was inaccurate.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
We didn't have an avenue to dig further into this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's a very serious situation.
jordan holmes
It's our first time discovering that the cops lie.
We've never seen that before, so it's really blowing our minds, you know?
dan friesen
Right.
But look, here's the thing.
I think that even though a lot of outlets miscovered this in terms of just basic factual information...
They also were reporting, this is what the spokespeople are telling us.
Yes.
Which is true.
On a basic level, that is true.
jordan holmes
When they say reportedly, or official sources have said, they're not saying or making it up.
They're not coming up with their own narrative and then saying that official sources said it.
They're repeating the official narrative.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then as a way of taking stock of that and after the fact owning up to the mistake that was made, it's very easy to take an inventory of the things that were done.
Alex can't do that because in reality, recognizing the things that he did aren't the same as other media outlets.
jordan holmes
One thing that he didn't even bring up.
He said it was the media lying.
He said it's the media lying.
He didn't bring up that the cops themselves were lying.
dan friesen
He kind of touches on that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
But yeah, it is a murky gray area for him because everything needs to be the media's fault.
jordan holmes
It's got to be the media who is lying, but they were...
dan friesen
You know, it's all stelter.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Somehow.
jordan holmes
Of course it was.
I knew it.
dan friesen
But you know, look, he's going to tell you all about it right after these commercial messages.
alex jones
And I'll tell you the rest on the other side.
I'll be completely honest, because it's not just about me.
It's about understanding the thought process that we're all having.
But Uvalde smells bad, guys.
And I'll just say it when we come back.
unidentified
Stay with us.
jordan holmes
All right.
False flag.
unidentified
Yep.
That is...
jordan holmes
It's the longest way we've ever gotten to the place we were always going to be.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, it's an inevitability.
The sun rises, you have to pay taxes, and Alex is going to say something because it's a fucking false flag.
jordan holmes
We took so long!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So when I see this being treated as like an apology or correction, I really, really don't feel like that is what this is.
It is a, I could have gotten away with calling this a false flag.
And look at all of these dynamics that would have really fed into my ability to grandstand, and I didn't because of...
jordan holmes
Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
Maybe?
Or maybe it's because he loves the cops.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Or maybe it's because he's proud of Texas.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Could be anything.
dan friesen
Maybe it's the lawsuits.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's the lawsuits.
Maybe on a school shooting where you are already being sued for lying about one, you don't lie this time.
And it turns out this is the perfect and only time to lie.
dan friesen
Well, I have...
This friend of mine.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who is the Piranha of Liberty.
jordan holmes
Piranha of Liberty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he tells me that it is not because of the lawsuits.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Very literally, and we'll hear that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
No, he does not say that.
Oh, for fuck's sakes.
The only reason you would say it's not because of the lawsuits is because you know it's because of the lawsuits.
dan friesen
And you know that everybody is going to see through that very transparently.
jordan holmes
Yes, obviously.
dan friesen
So, Alex comes back from break, and...
I think he has some pretty dumb thoughts.
unidentified
I see the lens of the world through my own eyes, so do you.
alex jones
The Bible says we all see through a rose-colored darkly.
dan friesen
Real quick, it's through the glass darkly.
Rose-colored glasses are a different...
He's mixing metaphors here.
jordan holmes
He's tossing them all in there.
alex jones
And so, no amount of intimidation, no amount of threats, no amount of attacks is going to make me change what I say and I do.
And so, two weeks ago, when the tragic event unfolded in Uvalde, Texas, with 19 children and two teachers killed, there were publications everywhere saying, will Alex Jones say this is a false flag?
Will Alex Jones say this was staged?
Because Jones always says it's staged.
No, I don't always say it's staged.
dan friesen
Yeah, you do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you do.
dan friesen
But I also don't think there were publications everywhere.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I can't imagine how narcissistic you have to be to think that the first thing on people's minds who are in the media when a tragedy happens is like, I wonder if Alex is going to say this is fake.
That might be one of the first things on my mind, but I am in a very niche space.
And I will tell you, it is not the first thing on my mind.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
The tragedy is obviously far more important than, oh, I wonder what Alex is going to say about this.
I get to that thought eventually, much quicker than most, I will say.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, but that's something that you have to get to.
Like something in the garage that you have to go pick up and you have to mow the lawn.
Your first thought is not, oh, I better go mow the lawn.
dan friesen
After I get over the horror of the situation and try and get a handle on what's going on, then maybe I'll be like...
And it's not like Alex is going to say this is fake.
Honestly, my reaction is more like...
Fuck, Alex is gonna be an asshole.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, whatever it is is gonna be awful to listen to.
I dread opening up those episodes.
jordan holmes
We were not concerned if he was going to say that it's a false flag.
We were concerned that he was going to blame somebody who was trans who had nothing to do with it.
dan friesen
Which he did that night.
jordan holmes
And there we go.
You know, that's the type of shit that we're worried about.
Not whether or not you think it's a false fucking flag.
Is who are you going to hurt because of it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, yeah, I mean, it is, again, just like a manifestation of his narcissism.
And, quite frankly, the way that he's behaving here already on this apology, it gives credence to the idea that people would have a reason to speculate whether or not he's going to call something a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absurd.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex thinks he was just covering what the mainstream media was putting out, which, again, it's absolutely not true.
jordan holmes
I mean, in his mind, yes.
Just because he made up some stuff along the way, that's just him...
Adding a little zoos to his mainstream.
dan friesen
That's reading between the lines.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
Maybe if you're really generous.
alex jones
And the list goes on and on.
We have the Buffalo white supremacist shooter, turns out was in constant communication with a former federal agent.
That obviously leads to provocateuring, leans towards that.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
So, just because I've been sued by the Democratic Party for questioning mass shootings, is it the reason...
I came out two weeks ago on Tuesday after it happened and said, well, the police say that they chased him in there and engaged him and a hero, Border Patrol agent, killed him within 12 minutes.
And then, well, he was barricaded inside there and we're not sure.
It was 45 minutes and then it was 60 minutes and then it was 70 minutes.
Now it's 75 minutes that they stood outside, the state police, local police, all of them, and held the families back, and they lied about it for a week.
And finally, the head of the DPS went down there and said, I was misled.
And the governor said he was misled.
And then I said, okay, it looks like we were lied to.
But I should have gotten in a car, and I should have gone down there.
It's three hours away.
And I should have interviewed people like I used to do.
dan friesen
It's interesting to think that there's a chance that Alex really thinks that all he was doing was reporting what the media covered.
There's a small possibility that's really what he feels, but it's not true.
The night of the shooting, Alex's coverage wasn't based on any news.
It was based on a transphobic 4chan hoax and his knee-jerk insistence that the shooter was on mind-control psych meds, something he was making up and wasn't based on any reporting and he still can't demonstrate now.
He did get some things wrong because of misstatements by officials, and I've tried to be overly fair in pointing out instances where he's been wrong, but there's no reason to expect him to have known that what he was saying was inaccurate.
That has happened a bit, but larger picture, a lot of the stuff he's been wrong about aren't things that he was wrong about because of an honest mistake.
There have been things that he was wrong about because the shit he was saying wasn't based on anything.
It was just out of nowhere.
Even as time went on and he needed to explain away inconsistencies and new information, Alex didn't report things based on the mainstream media or the official narrative.
When the initial timeline began to fall apart, he had Tim Inlow, his former Blackwater security guard, come on the show and give out anonymously sourced information that helped Alex reframe things as a hostage situation.
That wasn't CNN or even Fox News.
jordan holmes
I mean, he even said he had inside sources that were his alone!
dan friesen
Yeah, it was his security guard gathering information from sources which Alex took and created his own story out of.
That's independent reporting, my friend.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, that's the mainstream media.
He was just repeating the mainstream media.
dan friesen
The mistakes Alex has made in this entire situation are his own fault, largely speaking.
There are a few mistakes that he made that are ultimately completely forgivable because...
Because there are mistakes that almost any reporter would make.
And I think that what Alex wants to pretend all of his shit is, is that.
That's what he wants to do.
He wants the same pass that actual above-board reporters want.
jordan holmes
Despite the fact that we know explicitly from their depositions that they are not journalists.
dan friesen
Well, it depends on which deposition.
jordan holmes
Well, it depends on which day.
dan friesen
Second point.
No good would ever come out of Alex going to Uvalde.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
When the video is mostly him complaining about seatbelt laws, that would be the best case scenario of him going to Uvalde.
Some kind of disrespectful and self-serving publicity stunt.
Also, nothing about the Buffalo shooting, the shooter engaging with a retired federal agent indicates that there was provocateuring.
If anything, it indicates that there's a retired federal agent who's a racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a monster.
dan friesen
That's not signs of provocateuring, Alex.
But he's bringing that in, and he's establishing that.
As a precedent that he can use to say that this was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It follows almost an identical path to the Aurora shooting being used in advance of Sandy Hook.
There is a similar relationship here where Alex can talk about things that have to do with the Buffalo shooting and the provocateuring of it, and the audience is meant to imply it in their head.
There's the direct connection that's being drawn.
And as we know from listening back to a lot of the Sandy Hook period, There were periods of time where he was not comfortable necessarily directly talking about Sandy Hook because of the horror of it.
So you'd say, it could be fake.
Who knows?
We know the Aurora one is fake.
And so it feels very similar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a little bit like a placemat.
These two pictures find the things that are different about them.
It is like he has two completely different pictures and he's like, find the things that are the same about them.
Sure.
It's a completely different picture of a completely different person.
But if you see they've got an earring, they've both got earrings, it's the same thing.
dan friesen
But what if one of the pictures, it doesn't have an earring, but what if you just draw an earring?
jordan holmes
Well, then you've got a victory.
dan friesen
Hey.
What if you just imagine there's an earring?
jordan holmes
Well, then it's a lot easier to win the puzzle.
dan friesen
What if you yell at anybody who tells you that there isn't an earring?
jordan holmes
Well, then you will be rich.
unidentified
A millionaire.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So look, it's not because he's getting sued.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
I wouldn't assume that.
dan friesen
I mean, he does say it a second time.
jordan holmes
Oh, if he said it a second time.
alex jones
I did not do it because I've been sued for asking questions.
I still said Jussie Smollett and Bubba Wallace were staged, and we still think something staged.
unidentified
Say it.
alex jones
But I still kind of just stayed out of it because it's such a toxic situation.
And if it happens again like this, we won't be like that.
So I subconsciously backed off of this.
Because it's so painful.
I mean, who wants to be around something like that?
The grieving parents and others.
dan friesen
I'm not impressed that he would invalidate accusations of racist acts.
It's not surprising that he would call Jussie Smollett fake, and he still doesn't even understand what happened in the Bubba Wallace situation.
So he can claim that as a victory when it's just his knee-jerk racism.
So there's some real mixed signals going on in that clip.
jordan holmes
That's a man who has a background report that nobody even knows where it came from.
dan friesen
Yeah, like a hundred-something page long.
jordan holmes
Pretending that he gives a shit about grieving.
dan friesen
I know that Alex is saying that his actions weren't influenced by the fact that he's being sued for lying about an elementary school shooting, but everything he says after that makes me think that his actions were deeply influenced by the fact that he's being sued for lying about an elementary school shooting.
He says that he stayed out of it, and that if something like this happens again, his actions will be different.
That heavily implies that there's something that was making him not cover this situation the way he wanted to, and I don't believe for a second it has anything to do with grieving parents.
jordan holmes
No, it was subconscious.
It was subconscious.
It wasn't a conscious decision, Dan.
dan friesen
He's shown nothing but disrespect for grieving families in the past, so that's a load of bullshit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex needs his audience to think that he's not been weakened by the Sandy Hook cases, so he'll ultimately be as defensive as he needs to be about that issue on air.
He won't ever directly say that he didn't want to get sued again so he wasn't going to call the shooting fake, because to do so would be to tell the audience that he's not authentic, and he shifts his reporting based on personal whims.
Now, you might be thinking that he already said that he didn't cover this correctly because he had faith in the police in Texas, and that's admitting the same thing.
But here's the difference.
In that case, the reason he covered shit wrong is because he had a faith in things that the audience can get behind.
They love the cops and they think Texas should be its own country.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Conversely, in the case of Alex changing his coverage because of fear of lawsuits, that's Alex being weak.
That's him selling out.
And if you accept that he did that, you have to accept that he might not cover all sorts of issues or might cover other stories knowingly, inaccurately because of some fear that he has about consequences that the system could inflict.
How can Alex possibly be a person who's willing to die fighting the globalists if he's willing to fundamentally change his coverage out of fear of losing some money?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, it's completely knocks out the underpinnings of his own fake personality.
jordan holmes
Cannot admit that he will change his behavior for anything.
I mean, it doesn't matter how bad it is.
It doesn't matter what it is.
He can't say that I have learned a lesson because he's presented himself to his audience as someone who can't learn lessons because they already know everything.
dan friesen
And he can't learn lessons because he wasn't wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
And for him to then have to be wrong and afraid?
I'm not going to follow that, dude.
dan friesen
No.
So I think that obviously the conclusion that we can come to is that he changed the way he covered this story out of a fear of getting sued again.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And it's painfully obvious now to his audience and the way that things have gone with the changing statements and the timeline shifting and what have you.
It's right in his sweet spot and there's a glaring question of why didn't you?
And now he kind of has to figure out a way to...
Like, yeah, I really should have.
Well, I trusted the police!
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is such a weird situation for him.
dan friesen
But I do think the way that you summed it up was pretty good.
That, like, I tried to tell the truth.
jordan holmes
I know!
It is that!
It really is!
It is him being like, man, this was the time for me to say it's a false flag because legally they couldn't do shit.
The cops are lying, so if you want to get on me, you gotta sue them asses!
You know?
Like, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Sure, and there's many ways of, you know, accusing something of being fake that aren't legally actionable.
Like, there's plenty of ways he could have done that, but because of the circumstances that are surrounding him legally, he is too gun-shy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I think the irony of this is that because he didn't call it a false flag, more people are gonna stop listening to him.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Maybe.
dan friesen
I think that...
jordan holmes
What a coward!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, look, you dropped the ball here.
alex jones
We dropped the ball.
We gave the police the benefit of the doubt because it's Texas and the police have been under attack and I want to believe in the police.
But the head police chief of the school district there is in hiding.
He was already elected to the city council.
He won't talk to the press.
He won't talk to the state police for Texas Rangers.
He won't talk to the feds.
And who knows what happened?
Because it turns out there weren't police in there for an hour.
It turns out they weren't outside the barricaded door.
They now say none of that was true.
dan friesen
So what the normal media did was give the police the benefit of the doubt.
That's not what Alex did.
Also, I have no idea what he's saying, that there were no police at the school.
I don't know.
That's not accurate at all.
jordan holmes
I mean, but now we're free.
dan friesen
He's completely creating a new thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now we're free.
I've said I've apologized for not calling it a false flag.
Now I'm free to make up whatever bullshit I want.
And almost spitefully.
dan friesen
I'm looking at the comments section on this video, because Alex released this section as a standalone thing on Bandot Video.
That's Alex Jones admits he was wrong about Uvalde shooting.
And going through here, somebody, I heard there are no birth records for those kids in Uvalde.
Is that true?
We're cooking.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Getting some of these breadcrumbs.
A lot of shout-outs for Steve Pachanek.
jordan holmes
Wow.
unidentified
I guess Las Vegas didn't happen.
jordan holmes
I guess we're going to bring that back.
Oh, my God.
Is Steve Pachanek going to come back and talk about this?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
The door seems open.
jordan holmes
It's wide open now.
dan friesen
Based on the comment section.
jordan holmes
Holy shit.
dan friesen
And I think you can get a little bit of a temperature.
Nobody died.
That's another comment.
Great.
Great.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah, these are all people who are like, finally, he's going to claim it's a false flag now, and I'm going to feel smart.
dan friesen
Seems like there's a bit of excitement.
jordan holmes
I'm going to feel so smart, because I'm smarter than Alex.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I hope that leads to some non-retention.
jordan holmes
You would hope.
dan friesen
So, look, he's now shifting things, and now Alex is blaming these police.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
On what planet do we live for 70-plus minutes?
Hundreds of police stand around.
Sitting on their hands.
That's a nice way of saying it.
With their thumbs in their rear ends.
jordan holmes
That's a less nice way of saying it?
alex jones
Because the head cop of the school district said so, who it turns out wasn't in radio communication, and who it turns out wasn't even on the scene.
That's dereliction of duty.
That is serious.
Negligence.
And I want him indicted for negligence.
And I want him indicted for fraud.
And I want everybody else that lied in trouble.
Because if we don't keep the police...
jordan holmes
Yeah, tell me.
Tell me what.
Tell me what.
alex jones
That doesn't mean when the left goes after him for no reason.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
alex jones
But this is shameful.
And this is disgusting.
dan friesen
So it strikes me that this is ultimately completely thin and false, and I think there are two contributing factors for that.
One, Alex exaggerates everything because he desperately wants to make his show more interesting.
And two, Alex feels the need to exaggerate this situation so it makes his audience more able to criticize the police.
By using hyperbole, Alex is able to distinguish his complaints about the situation from the complaints his audience might hear from the left or the mainstream media or people who are supposed to be globalists.
Because when they criticize the police response, Alex wants to have something distinctive from them in order to provide that.
jordan holmes
Above all, despite the fact that right now, we can all, across ideological lines, agree the cops fucked up.
dan friesen
I think we can all agree that there's definitely very, very strong indications of that, and there should be a thorough investigation of what happened.
jordan holmes
Right.
But Alex still can't agree with that.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It has to be something different.
dan friesen
It needs to be more extreme, it needs to be above that, and it needs to be a narrative of his own.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
For instance, Alex says that the commander wasn't even there, which isn't true.
Pete Arredondo was on the scene, and he was one of the first inside the school.
He didn't have his radio with him, but part of his explanation for that was that he didn't think that he was the commander on scene, and that some other agency was taking the lead, and he was supposed to be there acting as a first responder.
Now, whether or not you believe that or not, or think that that's appropriate or not, that is an explanation that he has given for why he didn't have a radio, and then Alex is just completely wrong about him not being there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's wrong about that.
dan friesen
There are very valid and productive arguments to make against the police response that could, in theory, lead to discussions about how to improve things, but Alex's critiques are mostly surrounding fake issues.
If you're a listener of this show and you hear indignation about how the police chief wasn't even there...
You're going to be poorly prepared to have a conversation about this.
Whatever points you're going to try to make about the police response probably aren't going to be taken too seriously if he wasn't even there.
It's part of your list of grievances.
People are just like, oh, you don't know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, that's a good one, though, to put in there early.
Because that'll be real good when you claim it's a false flag.
Like, the guy who was telling people to stand down wasn't even there, and then he lied and said he was there?
Obviously that's a false flag, you know?
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, it'll just be...
It's not going to be good, but it'll be there.
No.
And I honestly want to say that I think that there's a very decent chance that Alex doesn't pursue this line too much further.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't know if there's much of a market for him now in a conspiracy theory, but there is some in establishing a new narrative surrounding this, so if something else happens down the road, he can be on the Alex Jones side of this as opposed to the weird side that he's been on here.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, man.
There might be a conspiracy going on.
jordan holmes
Oh, finally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Finally!
alex jones
But this is shameful, and this is disgusting!
And quite frankly, who the hell knows what happened?
I'm really suspicious now of this police chief.
I'm really suspicious of the whole thing and the timing and the midterms and all of it.
And you got the white supremacist with the feds and all of it.
And that's being covered up.
Is the average cop mad?
jordan holmes
No, they fall in orders and stood there.
alex jones
These moms had better instincts.
dan friesen
Yeah, so you have this storyline about the Buffalo shooting, and he's working with the feds, and this is being covered up.
The timing, the midterms.
jordan holmes
The midterms.
dan friesen
Yeah, so you're getting all these pieces of the standard Infowars false flag conspiracy starting to gravitate and circle around this story.
And, I mean, honestly, it's just sad.
Because we all knew we were going to get here.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
I mean, you remember, like, you were confused for a second about, like, he wants to call this a false flag.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
We knew this was inevitable.
jordan holmes
You could feel it in his words.
While he was talking, you could feel his shoulders start to shake when, like, he tried to get it out.
dan friesen
There's a very similar dynamic to when, like, before Stefan Molyneux said that he was a white nationalist.
Like, everybody's like...
Can you just get to the point where you say this is your white nationalist already?
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
Just go to Poland.
jordan holmes
Just go.
dan friesen
So you can come out with it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now Alex has come out with his...
Maybe this is a false flag.
There's a conspiracy going on.
unidentified
The timing, the midterms, the buffalo shooting, the feds, cover up!
jordan holmes
It's all there, man.
dan friesen
He has come up with bullshit and connected those bullshits in order to create the appearance of a conspiracy, but the tax that he's putting into this board...
Aren't real.
And the string is fake.
It's all nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is going to go down as one of the more surreal couple weeks of InfoWars coverage in their entire history.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Because they were trying to tell the truth.
dan friesen
I mean...
I think...
I agree with you, but it's too generous to say trying to tell the truth.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
Because there was still some bullshit in there.
jordan holmes
They were trying to do...
A better, based on what we would describe as better job of journalism.
dan friesen
So Alex is ashamed of himself.
But that's not all.
There's also a state, nay, a country that he's ashamed of.
jordan holmes
Which one?
alex jones
I am so ashamed.
jordan holmes
Luxembourg?
alex jones
Of Texas.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Country of Texas.
unidentified
And I'm pissed.
alex jones
Now, I don't know what went on down there.
But for all we know, it could be MKUltra.
For all we know, my God, yet again, man, just like the Whitmer case I thought was staged, turned out it was all fake!
We need to find out what the hell's going on.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we're back to, you know, before Pizzagate saying we gotta figure out what's going on with this stuff.
Sandy Hook, same thing.
We're gonna get to the bottom of this.
Yeah.
Yeah, the Whitmer thing wasn't all fake.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
But you can also see that is part of now the constellation of things that he's bringing in.
And while he's talking about the Uvalde shooting, he's bringing in these other things that are safe for him to say are fake in order for him to sort of transpose the fakeness onto the Uvalde shooting until it's more safe for him to actually...
Fully say that.
jordan holmes
I don't have to say this is fake.
I've established a career of saying things are fake, so if I just imply, you got it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You fucking got it.
dan friesen
It's very transparent.
So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex getting pretty mad.
alex jones
And the police followed the criminal orders of that police chief who needs to be in handcuffs right now.
Hey, I want to get arrested now.
Arrest that son of a bitch right now!
Right now!
No more of this crap!
I bitched out Florida for standing out for 14 minutes.
Texas stands down for over 70. Shameful!
dan friesen
Hashtag shameful!
jordan holmes
Wow.
Shameful.
That's strong words.
Strong words from a man with a big vocabulary.
Sad!
Boo!
unidentified
Again!
dan friesen
Um, yeah.
I...
I don't know.
I feel like this is meant to be an apology correction.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And what it ends up really being is, I knew I was right about this and I didn't say it because of something, but it's not the lawsuit.
And you know who's really to blame?
The media and the police.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They did me dirty.
I'm always right still.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't apologize and be vindicated simultaneously.
That is not how that goes.
dan friesen
It does on InfoWars, baby.
jordan holmes
That is true.
It's true.
You're right.
I am apologizing because I was too right all the time.
I apologize for being self-aggrandizing right now, but I won't!
dan friesen
But, you know, I think there is something very, very fascinating about this dynamic that is, you know, on a certain level, when Alex makes things up, it's full of shit and irresponsible and dangerous.
And when he tries to do what normal reporters might do, he can't, and he still fucks it up.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And we end up here.
jordan holmes
It's like somebody was taking a baby step towards learning a lesson.
You know, like, okay, I got it.
Sandy Hook is gonna fuck my brain out.
So guess what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna button down.
I'm gonna really try on this one.
And I know your face says that no.
But I'm giving you...
dan friesen
That's not what the look was.
unidentified
I'm giving you...
dan friesen
The look was that...
The lesson isn't, or it shouldn't be, Sandy Hook is going to ruin me.
It should be, what I did was wrong.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Exactly.
He learned the wrong lesson, and then applied it, and then learned another wrong lesson, which was, I should have just been an asshole.
Right.
dan friesen
I should have just been a slightly different kind of asshole, because I've betrayed my brand, and now I have to explain why I didn't do the thing that everybody knew I was going to do eventually.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pathetic.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
That sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is what happens when conspiracy theorists are brought low.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, oh, what tangled webs we weave doesn't even come close to handling this shit.
Shakespeare was a moron if he thinks that meant anything when Alex is in the fucking web.
dan friesen
Very, very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shameful!
unidentified
Shameful!
dan friesen
So, I think, you know, I'm not...
I'm not sure it was as revelatory as some other things that...
jordan holmes
Also, I got mad at Florida.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I got mad at Florida!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
The state of Florida.
The whole thing.
unidentified
I sent out my I'm pissed off at Florida bar.
dan friesen
Dear Florida.
jordan holmes
I got him!
We're going to sell you back to Spain!
dan friesen
Also, the rest of the show is Alex interviewing and having on a guy who's a tax weirdo.
I believe it's the guy who runs his Infowars tax help or whatever.
So it's just brokered content for the tax stuff.
But yeah, I don't know if this is as educational necessarily as some other things that we've focused in more on.
But I do think that there is pretty complete an arc.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That has happened since the shooting.
And that did go differently than a lot of times in Alex's career, based on exactly what you're describing as him trying to tell the truth.
Yeah.
And you see that all roads lead to Rome, and Rome is calling his sake.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Kind of depressing.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean, this wasn't so much like the information heavy as it was almost a character study.
You know, this is a slice of life kind of what happens whenever people stop, you know, acting fake and start getting real.
dan friesen
So it was real world Austin?
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure that's what this was.
dan friesen
That was a season, I think.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
I can't remember who was on that.
jordan holmes
Probably somebody cool.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
dan friesen
Nope.
Can't remember what season is what.
Anyway, Jordan, we will be back for another episode in the post-Alex apology world.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed, Jordan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I hope you all have a dreamy, creamy summer.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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