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May 23, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#684: May 20, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex, only to find that he's no longer so worried about his fears about a race war, and has pivoted over to theories about Covid vaccines causing monkeypox. Citations

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alex jones
09:47
d
dan friesen
41:18
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jordan holmes
16:50
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bill gates
00:42
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge.
Fight.
Need.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is that this is actually a first for us.
I am recording with no shoes on.
The situation we have here is that we are recording remotely for, I think, other than the time that you were overseas on one of your many vacations.
This is the first time we've recorded not in the same place.
And generally, I like to put on professional pants, put on socks and shoes.
Wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
Those have been professional pants this whole time?
dan friesen
Semi-professional pants.
Business casual.
unidentified
Business casual.
jordan holmes
That's great.
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's good.
And I thought that it was because I didn't want to do the show in, like, you know, without shoes on or, like, feeling, like, really casual about it.
But it turns out, no, I was just, I just was doing that out of courtesy for you, it turns out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Because I'm here, I've got sweatpants and no shoes on, and I feel just fine.
unidentified
That's crazy, because I really did put pants on for this.
jordan holmes
I wanted to feel like...
unidentified
I was like, no, no, no, I'm a professional.
jordan holmes
And, you know, I've seen so many of these stories where people accidentally reveal themselves, so I've got another pair of pants on top of that, just to be in case.
Yeah, absolutely.
No chance of that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a reasonable concern.
But I do have sweatpants on, so that concern is limited.
And we're not streaming and broadcasting.
jordan holmes
No, I was very smart.
dan friesen
But yeah, so we're recording in separate places out of an abundance of caution.
Do you want to get into that at all?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, my partner is ill.
We've taken, between us, four COVID tests, one at a hospital, and all have come back negative, so we're pretty sure it's just that regular old flu from the flu times, I guess.
But who knows?
You never know.
It could be an invisible super strain of COVID.
It's like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Seems unlikely.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
But, you know, at this point, fucking, you don't know.
dan friesen
Sure.
And so, yeah, we're recording in separate locations out of that abundance of caution.
And unfortunately, because of that, we, you know, I think we teased that we were going to have a much longer episode on Monday.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And spoiler alert, that's because there's a deposition episode coming up.
But we were like, you know what?
That has the potential to be super long.
Let's not do that over a Zoom thing.
jordan holmes
That's going to require our best, you know?
And I think we do our best whenever we're right in there in the weeds together.
dan friesen
And I need shoes for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
That is true.
jordan holmes
You are going to need shoes for a deposition.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, it's a couple weeks after my birthday, late May, you know what that means.
That means the French Open has begun!
dan friesen
Another tennis-based bright spot.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's what it's all about, Dan.
It's all about the French Open!
dan friesen
C 'est très bien, mon ami.
jordan holmes
Indeed, indeed.
Yeah, it's the first year in...
dan friesen
Qu 'est-ce qui se passe?
jordan holmes
I think it's the first year in probably 13 that Rafa is not the favorite to win the French Open.
dan friesen
Oh, sacre bleu!
jordan holmes
15 years!
15 years!
unidentified
That's crazy!
Mon dieu indeed, sir!
dan friesen
Running out of French.
Who is the favorite?
jordan holmes
I would say Djokovic is the favorite just because he's older and he's done it more.
dan friesen
Let's see if we can get him kicked out of the country.
jordan holmes
I mean, well, yeah, that's the reason he didn't win the Australian.
So I would say that Alcaraz is the person playing the best tennis right now.
He's 19 years old.
He's gone from 80 to number six in the world in the past three months.
The man is incredible.
And by man, I mean that in the loosest sense of the word because he is a child.
dan friesen
I like that show, that Sam Neal show, Alcaraz.
Oh, sorry.
It was a show called Alcatraz.
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
No, that's right.
The recording did not break.
Nope.
dan friesen
Short-lived, very well-forgotten TV show Alcatraz starring Sam Neill.
I think it was Sam Neill.
So, yeah, Jordan, today we were going to do something to put Alex on the back burner.
I was wanting to put him in timeout because...
He sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, not a fun time.
After the last week's coverage of the Buffalo shooting, I felt like the Alex Jones was right stuff about that was just getting to be a little bit obnoxious.
And so the deposition was a green pasture for us to go into.
I thought that was going to be fun.
jordan holmes
It would have been nice.
dan friesen
Sure.
And then I was, you know, instead, hey, 2003 is always there.
Why not?
But unfortunately.
The present day called me back and necessitated that I show back up.
And so today we're going to be going over...
jordan holmes
Like a fire in a dumpster.
You couldn't stay away.
You just had to go get a closer look.
What is burning?
dan friesen
Yep.
Yep, that is correct.
And so today we'll check out this flaming trash can that is Friday's show.
That is the 20th of May, 2022.
And we'll get down to business on that.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, fill your hand with the earliest episodes because Dan and Jordan's early optimism is adorably precious.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, tick with the toy boat, toy boat, toy boat.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
They're out here trying to mix me up.
Trying to screw me up with these tongue twisters.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, it didn't even occur to me that that was a tongue twister.
I legit was like, that must be a reference to some show that I've never seen before.
dan friesen
Nah, nah, nah, they're trying to mess me up.
jordan holmes
Ah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
Fins to the left, fins to the right, and I'm the only wonk in town.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
No rule, no more Jimmy Buffett references in the policy wonk shoutouts.
jordan holmes
Good rule.
dan friesen
Next, Boubacar Ba, probably the only person in Senegal who's ever heard of Alex Jones.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Fright Fest was a blast at Six False Flags, Once Great America.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
I like that one.
That was good.
dan friesen
Next, the giant blue worm that lives rent-free in Bill Ogden's office.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
And so, Jordan, we come to the beginning of our episode here.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
And here's the deal.
Alex has got big news.
That's really why we have to stay in the present.
There's really, really...
jordan holmes
I gotcha.
dan friesen
There's drastically, drastically big news afoot.
And this is how Alex begins his show here on Friday.
alex jones
It is Friday, May 20th.
The year is 2022.
And we are going to break.
Here today, starting now, the biggest news of my 28-year history.
And we saw this coming months ago.
We can have the archivist, which I haven't directed him to do yet, go back to the dates.
This was announced last year and then at the start of 2022 and show when Bill Gates said it and then show when I made the warning.
But now it's happened.
dan friesen
So yeah, we got the biggest news of Alex's career here.
jordan holmes
It's happened.
It's happened.
What's happened?
It's happened.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's happening.
But I mean, like, all of it, or just some of it?
dan friesen
Well, I feel like we hear periodically about the biggest news of Alex's career.
I feel like this is something that has taken on a boy-cried-wolf quality.
jordan holmes
I mean, are we rolling down our windows in traffic?
Is that how important this news is?
dan friesen
You will later be implored to call people and tell them to tune in.
I don't know if it's quite at the point of stopping traffic, but it's probably fairly close.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
See, here's the thing, man.
The news that Alex has to cover, biggest of his career, absolutely, without a doubt, is so big that he just can't get to it.
Can't get to it?
jordan holmes
Of course not.
alex jones
Now, this is so big that if you just mention it or talk about it, it doesn't do it justice.
And so the best way to start with this is this way.
jordan holmes
Which way?
alex jones
If you remember three years ago, we said the UN's going to release some type of bioweapon, probably a SARS-CoV-2 type.
That's what they're cooking up.
We already had the documents then.
They were up there bragging on C-SPAN, Peter Daszak, and Fauci that a big imminent thing was about to happen.
It would change the whole world and blow up the FDA system and other systems and allow them to just get things approved instantly, and it would be mRNA.
We played all those clips.
unidentified
All of them.
dan friesen
All of them.
So this isn't really, this isn't accurate.
For one thing, Alex has been claiming that a false flag bio-attack is right around the corner regularly for the past 20 years.
He definitely could find some clips of him saying something like that from 2019 in the same way that he could find clips where he said that in 2008 or any other year.
jordan holmes
I mean, I honestly kind of thought we were still doing a 2003 episode.
I feel like that could have been there.
dan friesen
We'll get to how heavy the overlaps are a little bit later.
So beyond that, Alex is making shit up about what he predicted in order to make himself seem more accurate.
He wasn't talking about mRNA vaccines until right up to the point where the right-wing blogs he reads, the headlines started to get upset about that as a new angle to attack vaccines as a whole.
This is part of the reason that Alex Jones was right, that meme is so insidious.
If you've bought into the Alex Jones was right game, then you might be far more willing to hear Alex make stuff up about his past predictions and accept them as true.
Once you believe that Alex has been right more about stuff than you think, you subordinate your own instincts and critical thinking to Alex's imaginary expertise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just believing that Alex knew what mRNA before it was on a conservative blog is just absurd.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's nonsense.
Also, the reason that Alex is starting off covering this story by rambling bullshit about how he's been so right about stuff in the past is because it's a less openly desperate way for him to beg the audience to believe what he's about to tell them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's essentially like, you've got to take me seriously because don't you remember how right I've been about everything I've actually been wrong about?
jordan holmes
Listen, straight up, I am going to warn you by telling you how right I've always been, how wrong I'm about to be right into your face.
It's going to be loud.
dan friesen
So we have some dangerous world developments upon us that Alex is going to get into before he gets into the most important news of his career.
But I guess this kind of actually is involved.
alex jones
Now, let's move into what's currently happening.
The UN starts their meetings on the 23rd to the 28th.
In Switzerland, in Geneva, they signed a deal two weeks ago that the World Economic Forum will direct them.
So private corporations are now in direct control of the UN.
They say the treaty's secret, but Tedros and Gates, we played the clips, it's all over the news, have said, yes, Biden has gone in and gotten a copy of the treaty and has demanded that the UN be given power over nation states.
To sanction, even with military operations, anyone that doesn't follow the U.S. orders.
So this is a world government treaty putting the U.N. in control of the major Western militaries to enforce the new lockdown that will make the last one look like a walk in the park, even compared to what you saw in places like Australia and New Zealand and Canada.
dan friesen
So this is a whole load of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Which corporations owned the UN?
When did Biden send this treaty letter slash thing?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a lot of made-up fun stuff from conspiracy blogs and what have you.
So in the upcoming World Health Assembly meeting that's happening, actually, I believe it starts today.
unidentified
Do they all go to the gym and sit cross-legged?
dan friesen
There's a group of kids in action or whatever who do a song.
jordan holmes
Somebody tells them to stop smoking.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a planned discussion of the international health regulations, and there's an aim at improving international responses to future pandemic threats.
That's basically the kernel of truth that's behind all this bullshit.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
So much of what Alex is talking about traces back to narratives that have spread about the amendments that could be added to these regulations.
Some of the amendments in these blogs are made up, but there's one that has to do with Article 12 that's actually real, but it's being lied about.
This proposed amendment would change how the director general of the WHO determines a health emergency.
Previously, the director general and the state.
where the pandemic is thought to be active would need to agree on the fact that there is a health emergency before the World Health Organization could make a determination.
Now, now the state party is not required to agree that there's a health emergency.
The impetus of this amendment is really obvious.
There's a concern that in the early days of COVID, the Chinese government may not have been perfectly transparent about the situation, and whether or not that had a material impact on how the world responded, it raises important points.
If there's a public health emergency that could affect other countries and possibly the entire world, what do you do if you have reason to suspect that a country isn't being forthcoming about the situation or not cooperating or giving information and data to the rest of the world?
to base their decisions on.
This amendment seeks to address this by allowing the World Health Organization to not require a state to sign on to their determinations This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do appreciate how powerful the UN is in the conservative mind.
It's so strong.
dan friesen
So powerful.
jordan holmes
The idea that the UN would actually be able to go into China and look at their anything without China's consent.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like, in the international health regulations, even if you read them...
They specifically say that a state is able to agree with, comply or not comply with World Health Organization's recommendations.
jordan holmes
Those are all the options.
You can do whatever they want.
Yes, gotcha.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that doesn't do anything.
It's just a load of shit.
jordan holmes
I think the amendment that they're really mad about is the one where you have to quarter and feed soldiers.
That's the craziest one, you know?
The UN can send soldiers into your home.
It's terrible.
dan friesen
Pandemic soldiers, no less.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Doctors, nurses, you must quarter everyone.
So Alex believes that they've been broadcasting this stuff, that there's going to be another pandemic.
I mean, spoiler alert, all this is about monkeypox, and we'll get to that here in a minute.
But Alex is being like, yeah, they said all this in advance in order to let you know that it's going to happen, because they're like villains in comic books.
Because Alex believes that the world is basically a children's cartoon.
alex jones
So you have that going on, and what is their pretext going to be?
And that's the new big story.
And this has been going on for a few weeks.
And back last year and earlier this year, I said it over and over again.
I said these criminals always telegraph what they're going to do, to hide it in plain view, and to be confident to their criminal armies who are involved in this that they're going to get away with it.
This is what psychos do.
They love to brag.
So, that's basic criminology.
That's why in all the supervillain cartoons and Marvel cartoons and James Bond movies, the villain always monologues.
And you think, why do they monologue?
Well, because that's actually what villains do.
jordan holmes
Oh, dramatic tension.
That's what I was thinking.
I was thinking dramatic tension.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's one thing, dramatic tension, heightening the mood.
It's also a helpful way to explain elements of the plot that would be difficult to do any other way.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, many people use those for exposition.
dan friesen
Yeah, because as viewers, we're aware of a lot of stuff that the characters aren't, and so the bad guy telling the hero what their plan is, it kind of serves as a shortcut to get them up to speed on what everyone's doing so we're all on the same page and we can get to the climax of the film.
It's not something that is from...
Basic criminology.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's pretty much like the villain giving a quick fill-in, you know?
Like, hey, listen, we've been showing the audience all of this stuff.
I'm going to download this real quick into you.
You're going to be like, holy shit, I can't believe he pulled that off.
I know, you know, oh man, you killed me.
unidentified
Shit!
dan friesen
You know everything now as the hero of the film, so you're able to respond appropriately and know what the deal is as you enter the final act.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So stupid.
But no, it's real life criminology.
That's what these people do.
unidentified
Basic criminology.
dan friesen
Also, I thought Alex's imaginary enemies do this announcing stuff in advance because they have to according to intergalactic laws.
I thought they had to tell everyone what they were going to do so if you don't choose to fight back against it, you're basically accepting and consenting to what they're doing.
Alex seems to have forgotten that storyline.
Also, he seems to have forgotten the whole race war lockdowns thing and moved smoothly back to pandemic lockdowns.
I wonder why.
Oh my god, nothing on this show means anything at all.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It's really frustrating.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's sweeps week, you know?
So you gotta get rid of all of those meet-cute storylines, and you gotta get back to the main storyline and make sure everybody's ready to find out who shot JR.
That is essentially what InfoWars is.
dan friesen
It's almost like Alex was desperately grabbing at straws at anything he could do to deflect attention away from the reality of the story of the Buffalo shooting.
And now that it's kind of blown over, at least the point at which he's worried about the conversation that's happening, he can move on to other things and pretend that all that shit, he never really said that race war lockdowns were right around the corner, and that's been the globalist's plan.
jordan holmes
Right, well, at the same time, acting as though, I mean, it was like a completely reasonable thing for him to say at the time, but now that that's blown over, I mean, it's just a mess of...
dan friesen
It just never happened.
jordan holmes
No.
It never happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
There's a solipsism about Alex's information.
If it's not immediately here, that shit isn't real.
jordan holmes
It's annoying.
Doesn't Satan have to tell you what's going on because of his contract with God and all of those things?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the intergalactic law part.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I forgot that it is literally intergalactic and not just spiritual.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Also, one of the amendments to the International Health Regulation is that the Director General and Satan and the head of state don't all have to agree.
Satan is also out of the loop for health emergencies.
In the future.
jordan holmes
Azazel's running that part of the show now.
dan friesen
Beelzebub.
Old Scratch.
Satan's in there actually under a whole bunch of different names.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So, like I mentioned, this obviously...
I think anybody who listens to our show enough and has a vague awareness of the world would have been able to tell already that this is about monkeypox.
But here we go.
Alex finally lays it out.
This is about monkeypox.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Let me make the announcement.
And it's already all over the place.
Everybody's already figured it out.
I wasn't ready to hit it yesterday because I wanted to spend hours last night and hours today going over it.
And I've overdone it as usual.
I've got hundreds of documents, studies, all the damn proof here.
And when I'm sitting here reading this in private, I mean, I'm not even angry at these people anymore.
My cells, my guts, my brain, my soul is, you're going to stop these people, Jones, or you're to blame.
I'm pissed at myself when I'm reading this.
Because I've got clips of Gates bragging last year that there'll soon be smallpox and monkeypox and giggling and laughing and say the next pandemic will be far worse.
Then they put in all the orders for the new monkeypox vaccine.
Biden just bought tens of millions of doses yesterday.
And then magically, right on time, right as the vaccine's delivered, monkeypox pops up in more than 20 countries.
dan friesen
So, monkeypox wasn't part of Alex's shit about Gates until exactly this moment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Although Alex did obsess over Gates' very normal warnings that COVID wouldn't be the last public health crisis we would face.
And Alex is saying, like, ah, yes, smallpox and monkeypox, as if, like, no, he was talking about smallpox.
There's one clip that Alex has where Bill Gates, in passing, references, like, people doing...
Sort of exercises to think about, like, what would we do if terrorists released smallpox?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex has now taken that...
And he's been like, aha, that was Gates' plan.
unidentified
And also, when he said smallpox, he meant monkeypox and smallpox.
dan friesen
It's like, this is cheating.
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
Listen, the rule is a pox is a pox, okay?
unidentified
It's monkeypox, it's dogpox, it's smallpox.
jordan holmes
Bigpox, doesn't matter.
A pox is a pox.
dan friesen
So there's a lot going on here, so I'm going to try and break this down a little bit, bit by bit.
And the first thing I should point out is that listeners of our show may be a bit more familiar with monkeypox than the general population.
And that's because Alex already did this whole thing back in 2003.
And some of our episodes from back then include him spreading bullshit about a monkeypox outbreak.
So this is a little bit, this is another witchy thing.
jordan holmes
That is very funny.
I forgot about that.
That is so funny, the kind of thought that Eve...
If he really went back through our 2003 episodes, he could find some clips of him being furious about monkeypox.
dan friesen
Yeah, because he was using the cases of monkeypox that were identified as some sort of a conspiracy about the smallpox vaccine.
The conversation was happening in 2003.
He's just doing it again, but with COVID.
jordan holmes
20 years on, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, he doesn't have many tricks.
So in the present day, Alex is intentionally mixing up cause and effect in order to create the appearance of conspiracy.
He's claiming that Biden ordered these monkeypox vaccines and then later monkeypox cases popped up.
By presenting things like this, Alex is very explicitly trying to tell his audience that the order for vaccines was made because of foreknowledge of the coming monkeypox cases.
This is important for Alex to convey to his audience because it's a lie that he can use as a foundation upon to build his argument that the whole thing was a false flag outbreak.
jordan holmes
Despite the fact that even if it was the case that he ordered it before, again, it is a very smart move to have vaccines for diseases that are possibly going to come.
dan friesen
Yeah, but, like, if you had just out of the blue randomly ordered these monkeypox vaccines, it would seem a little bit more suspicious.
But in the real world...
The U.S. government ordered $119 million worth of a vaccine, which is good for smallpox and monkeypox, after a case was confirmed in Massachusetts, the first in the U.S. during this outbreak.
So that's why the order was made.
It wasn't like, well in advance, ha-ha, we know it's coming, let's get these vaccines ready.
jordan holmes
We saw somebody, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, $119 million worth of this vaccine is not like...
It's not enough for, like, even probably the entirety of Massachusetts.
Honestly, it's not like we're not going to be able to inoculate the entire country based on this.
It's a fairly targeted amount of reserve that you would have in the case that cases pop up in certain, like, various locales.
Basically like what they did in 2003.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
No, I mean, it's so hard to understand scale anymore.
You know, like, $119 million is so much fucking money.
But then again, you remind yourself in terms of scale, that's like the American government, like, peeing just a little bit in your mouth and being like, hey, this is close.
You know, it's nothing.
dan friesen
It's flicking a quarter at something.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely, yes.
dan friesen
But it's millions of doses, but it's in the low millions of doses, and that's about what you would expect in the case that you might see more cases and want to inoculate, let's say, healthcare workers that might be in contact with people, or if you can identify clusters.
You know, there is a utility to this, but it's not like...
It's not like Operation Warp Speed where it's like billions of dollars.
jordan holmes
And I mean, it would be, you know, you can, you know, you can...
Appropriately react to a pandemic-possible disease if you get to it early on.
I know it doesn't feel like it's as we just live through people not doing it, but it is possible.
dan friesen
We saw it with monkeypox in 2003.
We saw it with Ebola under Obama.
It's not impossible.
And also, monkeypox is pretty different than COVID in as much as it's a known quantity, and there are some therapeutic treatments that have shown.
jordan holmes
We exist, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so, you know, obviously, this is not an analogous situation.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But the first case in this outbreak was reported to the World Health Organization on May 7th, and it was an individual from the UK who traveled to Nigeria.
Since then, there have been 92 laboratory-confirmed cases in 12 countries where monkeypox is not endemic.
This is a big deal in as much as any novel spreading of a disease is a big deal, but it's not time for Mike Adams to come back and declare that it's over for humanity.
Which I imagine we'll be seeing before too long, based on the way Alex is going about this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I give it a few weeks.
dan friesen
It's really hard to say for sure how this is going to progress, but I tend to agree with the World Health Organization's assessment that it's highly likely that there will be more cases that are identified, but I also feel like it would be hasty to jump to the conclusion that this is going to be any kind of large-scale pandemic all over again.
Like I said, in 2003, there were 71 reported cases in six U.S. states, and through proper tracing practices and targeted vaccine deployment, the outbreak didn't spread.
This is something to be aware of, and obviously people should be careful as best they can, but the type of hyping and fear-mongering Alex is engaging in here is deeply irresponsible.
What do you expect?
jordan holmes
It is, again, when he did this with the other pandemic possible diseases in the past, we responded to those appropriately.
So his bullshit didn't cause any further harm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, one of the things that's fun about this turn of events, these cases being identified of monkeypox, is it allows Alex to, like, play some new games with COVID conspiracies.
I feel like the songs that he was playing about COVID vaccines and stuff were getting a little bit tired.
And thankfully, this has opened up a new avenue of, like, jazz improvisation for him.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
The jukebox is getting old.
This diner is from the 1950s.
You gotta update this shit.
dan friesen
And to update, he does.
alex jones
Monkeypox pops up in more than 20 countries.
All over Europe, all over the U.S., all over everywhere.
Where you have people taking AstraZeneca, AstraZeneca, and J&J, ladies and gentlemen.
Because what is AstraZeneca and J&J?
They're virus vectors that inject the genome of a chimpanzee into your cells and then order your cells to replicate under those orders using a virus to deliver the pack.
jordan holmes
You get turned into a monkey?
alex jones
So ladies and gentlemen, did you hear what I just said?
I just saw this last year.
I said Gates is preparing to release smallpox and or monkeypox.
Then the FBI in some storage facility at a lab that was shut down finds smallpox in a refrigerator.
They're just putting that out there.
Then a truck crashes in Pennsylvania with a bunch of monkeys that have monkeypox.
And then the woman gets it, but it all gets shut down.
Do you believe any of this?
Oh, a truck dumped over.
Yeah, that's where it came.
So they're laying the groundwork.
Gates says smallpox monkeypox is coming.
They start making the vaccine.
He says terrorists are going to release it.
He's right.
He's the terrorist leader, James Bond villain.
And then all hell breaks loose right as the UN Global Treaty is about to be signed on to by the countries that puts us under UN control.
I mean, it's all premeditated.
It's all prepackaged.
It's all in your face.
And it's all right here.
dan friesen
It's happening.
It all makes sense now.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's all coming together, finally.
dan friesen
Alex was desperate for a way to attack the COVID vaccines that weren't mRNA, and I think now he's figured out his plan.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
dan friesen
I think that the notion that the COVID vaccines give you monkeypox, that's a new one.
I had not heard that one on Alex's show.
I've listened to...
Quite a bit of his show, and this is not something that I've learned to be afraid of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a big swing.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's funny how, like, whatever is happening in the news just kind of gets written into the history of Alex's predictions.
There's a part of it all along, man.
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
He's living in a perpetual midichlorian backstory retcon kind of situation.
dan friesen
I find it more offensive because, you know, at least that was just disappointing.
This is the real world.
jordan holmes
Also, this is 100% a Cowboy Bebop episode.
These eco-terrorists break in and they have a virus that they're going to unleash upon a planet and it regresses you evolution-wise into a monkey.
And the way he just described it, injecting you with monkey cells and having them reprogram your body.
This is monkey.
He's turning people into monkeys.
dan friesen
Well, I would say that it's important to remember that Cowboy Bebop is...
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
That story about smallpox being found in a freezer was kind of a hoax.
In mid-November 2021, there were a bunch of headlines about vials being found in a lab in Pennsylvania that were labeled smallpox.
Idiots like Alex, who just report on headlines, ran with the story at face value, and they weren't listening when the CDC announced that they'd tested the vials and they contained no traces of the virus that causes smallpox.
The vials have been labeled this way because they contain vaccinia, which is the virus that's used in the creation of the smallpox virus, but it doesn't give you smallpox.
So it was poorly labeled vials that were there.
jordan holmes
It wasn't like Daryl was tested and found to be positive for being hilarious and messing with somebody's lunch that day.
Okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
No.
It's not that much of a hoax, but it's, you know, like the headlines that didn't correct themselves and didn't take the update seriously.
I think that's fair to call it somewhat of a hoax.
jordan holmes
You know, it's hard not to see that Rogan clip where he's like, you know, oh, this is too good for me not to use.
And then you see that behavior echoed in the mainstream media more often than you would like.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know, because I think a lot of those articles will include updates or they'll like, you know, I think that that behavior you see with Alex, but he just doesn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no, no.
Don't get me wrong, there's a big difference later on, but it's there.
dan friesen
So also, Alex is fudging details about the monkeys that escaped from that truck crash earlier this year.
That truck was carrying 100 research monkeys, but they didn't all have monkey pox.
Alex is making that up.
In fact, they're macaque monkeys, which are actually not known to be very susceptible to monkey pox.
They can get it, but it's kind of rare compared to other species of monkey.
jordan holmes
Okay, so now you're scaring me because that suggests that we're all going to get monkey pox and these macaque monkeys will take over after we're gone.
dan friesen
No, that's not going to happen.
Also, only four animals escaped from the trucks, and by the next morning, three had been found.
They found, and they found the last one that evening.
So it's not like they were even on the run.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
They hadn't been absorbed by Caesar yet, and they haven't joined his gang.
dan friesen
No, no.
That documentary was pretty good, though.
I saw the second in that documentary.
It escalates.
So the woman that Alex is referring to didn't get monkey pox, but she did get sick after getting hissed at by one of the monkeys when she came in contact with its saliva.
She walked up to the box that it was in.
It wasn't one of the ones that escaped.
jordan holmes
Jurassic Park style.
dan friesen
Yeah.
She got treated for rabies preemptively, and she did come down with some mild, nonspecific symptoms.
She also was at a birthday party the night before where a bunch of people ended up testing positive for COVID.
So there's a lot of possibilities about how she came.
She had to have whatever symptoms she had.
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
There's a lot of questions, but what we do know is that she didn't have monkeypox.
Alex is just throwing shit at the wall here, connecting unconnected dots in order to make a truly bizarre conspiracy theory.
If AstraZeneca and the J&J vaccine caused monkeypox, we would be seeing so many more cases than we are, and they wouldn't have just happened now.
They would have happened sooner since millions of people have taken that shot, and it's not like it's a new shot in the grand scheme of things, but it's not like...
It just rolled out last month or whatever, two months ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he's relying heavily on his audience not to stop and think, wait a second, haven't millions upon millions of people received this vaccine already?
unidentified
Are they all monkeypoxed?
dan friesen
I feel like, you know, that is a problem.
That is a problem.
And the notion that, like, it's just, like, it's about, like, trying to get these amendments to the international health regulations push.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That Alex conceivably should be in favor of because, you know, countries like China may or may not have withheld information that could have been useful.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So, once again, I forgot that this is all in service of the UN eventually being able to, during the next possible pandemic, go and double-check to see if China is lying to us.
dan friesen
Something like that.
So, look, they're giving people smallpox, I guess.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
dan friesen
With the vaccines.
alex jones
Unbelievable, because the virus thing.
jordan holmes
It is unbelievable!
alex jones
The chimpanzee ape DNA is what causes smallpox.
They're injecting people with a damn smallpox knowing it would cause smallpox.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha!
dan friesen
All right, man.
alex jones
Okay.
dan friesen
So it's wild that this is just coming up now.
Like, I thought the whole thing with the COVID vaccine was they gave people, like, myocarditis or whatever.
Now it's about spreading smallpox, which is quite an escalation.
jordan holmes
They put the monkey genes inside of you, Dan!
dan friesen
So Alex is making shit up because the AstraZeneca vaccine uses a recombinant replication-deficient chimpanzee adenovirus vector in order to deliver the vaccine.
He saw chimpanzee and then decided to run with it full speed.
The Adenovirus is not the virus that causes smallpox.
That would be variola, which isn't even used in the smallpox vaccine, because why would you do that?
jordan holmes
Right, that would be a bad idea.
dan friesen
Adenoviruses basically cause colds.
J&J also uses an Adenovirus, but it's a human strain.
It's type 26. So it's not monkey DNA.
It's a virus that generally affects monkeys.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
For chimpanzees, which are apes, actually, not monkeys.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Like, that's the level of connection Alex is making in order to be like, they're giving you smallpox.
It's pathetic and also just, like, really, really dangerous mentality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do think he doesn't understand.
And I think it's hard to keep this in your mind.
You know, it's like...
If you have a virus that causes monkeypox, the monkey part is something we apply to it.
Because the virus can evolve outside of the virus.
The virus exists without monkeys.
The virus can be anywhere if it wants to be.
I mean, I don't know if it has wants.
dan friesen
Maybe that's hard for you to keep in your mind because you've gotten the vaccine and you are part monkey now.
jordan holmes
Because I'm a part monkey.
dan friesen
You have a monkey brain.
jordan holmes
I really wish that we were close enough genetically that all of our vaccines were more lizard-based and I got regenerative powers on top of it.
I think this is a big problem, yeah.
dan friesen
I hear that Bill Gates is working on that.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
Because as we know, oftentimes the devil is depicted as sort of lizard-ish.
Right.
jordan holmes
But isn't he using it to give himself regenerative properties and then leave the planet, and that's probably how he's going to be able to breathe in space?
That asshole.
Just like him.
dan friesen
And then he's going to leave us all as monkeys.
jordan holmes
I'll probably be happier.
dan friesen
God, this is just ridiculous.
I understand.
To be fair, the situation with monkeypox is something that shouldn't be taken super lightly.
But there are health officials that are aware of it and tracing the cases and, you know, they're on the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What Alex is doing is laughable and just pathetic.
jordan holmes
Right.
And what's important is that the rest of conservative media is not using a monkeypox sphere to bring fascism into our country.
We're still doing that with COVID.
dan friesen
Give them a week.
So it turns out this is the next plague, basically, according to Alex.
alex jones
But if you just tuned in, you need to call your friends, your family, your neighbors, everybody you know.
Because Gates has said in the next pandemic, which they've already launched.
Ahead of the midterms.
It's building now, just like you didn't hear much at first in China, then it got huge.
It's already begun.
It's monkeypox.
And they told you it would be smallpox, monkeypox.
They knew that their so-called vaccines would cause this.
AstraZeneca, J&J.
Yeah.
And they pre-ordered the monkeypox vaccine.
Biden just got delivery of a bunch of it yesterday.
It is going down.
dan friesen
It's going down.
This is so absurd.
One of the obvious tells that Alex doesn't mean a single word he's saying, and you even responded to this, is that he's connecting it to the midterms.
Does he really expect me to believe that some evil group of villains is going to launch a smallpox outbreak in order to possibly win a few seats in the midterms?
That's so fucking stupid.
The amount of damage that would be caused by a smallpox outbreak is almost hard to put into words.
And if the globalists were really trying to depopulate the planet, I don't think they would care that much about whether or not the GOP takes back the Senate.
None of this shit matters.
It only matters to Alex.
jordan holmes
Listen, we need two more senators, and that means roughly several million people gotta die.
That's just the way the politics works these days.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
And this thing has gotta be released that has, like...
The possibility of getting so out of control that it kills everybody, all of the elites that are presumably behind this plan.
unidentified
So dumb.
dan friesen
So fucking stupid.
It's not even a general election.
jordan holmes
So, like, all of Spain gets monkeypox because they gotta win the midterms.
dan friesen
Yeah, they gotta keep Laura Loomer out of Congress.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Like, really?
That's what we're doing?
dan friesen
That's just ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
much out of China in the early days of the COVID pandemic.
Someone should probably tell him that the amendment to the World Health Organization regulations that he's demonizing is...
Yeah.
But I don't think he would listen, probably.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you can't have UN soldiers just going anywhere that they want to, you know?
Because there's so many fucking UN soldiers to go around.
dan friesen
So many.
So many.
So Alex brings up some Bill Gates clips that help him prove his point.
And, yeah, they're not all that helpful.
alex jones
Here is Gates.
Again, the year before that in 2020 threatens the next pandemic will get attention this time.
He also said on other programs that terrorists would also release smallpox or monkeypox.
That was a clip on NBC.
dan friesen
It's so weird how the clips that seem most explicitly in line with the bullshit Alex is saying aren't the ones he plays.
It's like weird how the dynamic always seems to be present, where he just tells the audience about those ones and then plays other clips that don't really make the points he needs them to.
That's weird, almost like he's making shit up.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean, you do it one or two times.
Hey, that happens.
That's a mistake.
I think when you make a career out of it, it might be a bit of a red flag.
dan friesen
It's a pattern.
This clip that he's talking about is really interesting, though, because he says that Gates was threatening that the next pandemic would get attention.
That seems weird because this one's gotten a whole lot of fucking attention.
So here's the actual clip that Alex is talking about.
I want to challenge you, Jordan, to pay attention.
And see if you can tell where the lie is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Here is Bill Gates.
bill gates
We didn't actually do the simulation to think about, okay, what about nursing homes?
What about getting factories ready?
What about the testing regime?
You know, in fact, the testing could have been ramped up very quickly in a few countries that have almost avoided the epidemic entirely, like...
Taiwan, New Zealand, Australia, you know, they took their experience and actually prepared, and so they moved a lot faster.
So we, you know, we'll have to prepare for the next one.
That, you know, I'd say is, we'll get attention this time.
unidentified
Oh, he's so happy.
dan friesen
So yeah, do you see where the lie was there?
Bill Gates is saying we'll get attention?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He specifically said at the beginning they didn't pay attention to the variable of nursing homes and stuff like that.
He's saying there are factors that we missed in the course of this public health response that we'll get attention in the case of a future public health emergency.
This is such bullshit.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm pretty sure what he was trying to say is that next time, in the next few years when this one happens, the New York Times will finally cover the story.
Right, right.
It's about time that the pandemic got some attention.
Like, nobody's expecting CNN to get there, right?
There's CNN.
Come on!
dan friesen
Next time they'll notice me.
jordan holmes
Brit media needs to get on the ball.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Ridiculous.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex seems to be, when I say seems to be, he absolutely is, lying about this Bill Gates clip.
Pretty bad.
Pretty bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And he continues to.
In this next clip, Alex goes a little bit more into this and makes up some more stuff about monkeypox.
alex jones
Aren't these some really nice, nice people?
Oh, the next one will really get your...
Attention.
And now, right on time, like a German train pulling into the station in countries all over the Western world, monkeypox has showed up in who?
The vaccinated.
jordan holmes
It all makes sense.
dan friesen
Isn't Mussolini the one who made the trains run on time?
jordan holmes
Well, he famously made one train run on time.
dan friesen
But isn't the expression about Italy?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
It's not about Germany.
jordan holmes
At least he made their trains run on time, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So also, I don't believe that Alex has this little ability to understand the words he's hearing, like in terms of Bill Gates' clip.
He knows damn well what Gates was saying, but he's pretending that he thinks what he does because it's easier to scare the audience that way.
He knows what he's doing, and it's proof and just a demo.
That he's a malicious liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the balls on you to be like, oh, the next one will get your attention.
Shut the...
Come on, man.
We got plenty of attention.
dan friesen
It'll get more attention than the thing that's dominated people's lives for years.
jordan holmes
Okay, great.
dan friesen
Also, Alex has absolutely zero idea whether or not the people who have got monkeypox are vaccinated.
He's making that up that they are because his new conspiracy depends on that being true, but he couldn't demonstrate this claim if his life depended on it.
There is a decent chance that some of the folks who got sick had been vaccinated just based on percentages.
That wouldn't surprise me too much, but.
Alex is going to have to work way harder if he wants to claim there's some sort of causation here, which is definitely the tree he's barking up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And isn't it also just like a hundred people?
jordan holmes
It's not a ton of people, right?
Again, a ton of people have been vaccinated with all kinds of vaccines.
dan friesen
There's a pretty decent chance that it is a little bit more than that, but yeah, it's like 92 confirmed cases as of the preparation of this episode, according to...
World Health Organization.
And they're in different countries that have different vaccines approved in them.
This would be a very difficult narrative to make stick in any audience that's not Alex's audience because he's trained them to believe whatever dumb shit he says.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
There's no way that you hear that as a rational person and not go like...
Hold on about something.
unidentified
About any one of the many things you could say.
dan friesen
So many variables that you should take issue with.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about this monkeypox situation, and he makes a bizarre leap because I think that he's running out of ground to run, like the roadrunner, you know?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So he's run out of ground under his feet and jumps to something else, which is weird.
alex jones
And, ooh, rare monkeypox outbreak of people that hadn't been to Africa, people that hadn't been any, and they hadn't been around.
They just, but they all had the shot.
And I have scientists and health heads even saying we think it's the shot.
jordan holmes
Health heads?
alex jones
We have deputy heads of major countries' health departments right here.
Madrid's deputy minister of public health claims cases of hepatitis of young kids are related to COVID-19 vaccine.
Funny, I've got the studies right here.
jordan holmes
Just like monkeypox, what?
unidentified
Weird.
alex jones
Oh, isn't it nice?
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about the idea that monkeypox is caused by the COVID vaccine, but then he weirdly jumps to talking about hepatitis cases.
jordan holmes
All diseases are caused by the COVID vaccine!
dan friesen
That sleight of hand is really important to recognize as a trick he uses to distract the audience and make them think that he's proven something when in reality he hasn't said shit.
There was an outbreak of hepatitis, but the World Health Organization was pretty clear that it had nothing to do with the COVID vaccine since, quote, the vast majority of affected families.
Cool.
Also, the headline Alex is reporting on about the deputy public health minister in Madrid, that's from Gateway Pundit, and it's actually completely wrong.
The minister in question, Antonio Zapatero, had actually said the opposite and was being critical of inaccurate media reports linking the vaccine to the hepatitis cases.
The Spanish health ministry released a clarification because of this.
Alex is actually just reporting on an article that was 180 degrees from the truth.
jordan holmes
That's almost like if you're disinformation and you're just feeling spiteful.
You hear somebody who's like, listen, this is something that's important and I don't like the media twisting our claims.
So they're like, fuck you!
We're going to twist those claims!
dan friesen
Yeah, good job, Jim Hoft or his twin brother.
I don't remember who was responsible for writing that one.
Yeah, it's bad work.
It's bad work.
So we have, you know, some...
I guess monkeypox fears that the COVID vaccine is causing it.
And it's proven somehow by pointing to a completely inaccurate story linking the COVID vaccine to hepatitis.
Right.
But there's a third condition you should know about.
alex jones
Sure.
It's unbelievable.
Here's some of those studies I mentioned earlier.
And this is meningitis after COVID-19 vaccination, a case report.
dan friesen
So yeah, this is a case study of a single person who got meningitis after vaccination.
There's not a causal link established, but I was able to find a second case study covering two patients, which recommends that doctors be aware of this phenomenon, but doesn't say that the vaccines caused it.
Also, all the patients that are in question made a full recovery with, quote, no residual neurological deficits.
This study does nothing to further Alex's claims, and it's not related to...
unidentified
Hepatitis or monkeypox.
dan friesen
This is just like an anti-vax booyah bays.
jordan holmes
Smorgasbord!
Absolutely!
I heard the deputy health director for Venezuela said that all broken legs were caused by the COVID vaccine.
It's true.
I read that in Gateway Pundit.
You get the shot and boom, your left tibia.
Breaks in half.
All gone.
dan friesen
So Alex reads two different headlines about that same meningitis case study.
jordan holmes
That's two stories.
dan friesen
Two studies, man.
jordan holmes
Two studies.
Two different ones, yeah.
dan friesen
And then here is the next thing in his list of studies he's citing.
alex jones
Is it true that the AstraZeneca vaccine contains animal DNA of a chimpanzee?
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
Safety.
And it goes on to lay all this out and what it's doing.
It's just un...
Unbelievable!
dan friesen
This isn't a study and the article itself doesn't back up Alex's claims.
This is from the Australian government's health website.
The AstraZeneca vaccine doesn't contain animal DNA.
It uses an adenovirus that infects chimpanzees as a vector, but that's not the same thing.
The article doesn't back up Alex's claims at all, but the headline contains all the words Alex needs to create a certain appearance and the audience doesn't care what the actual article says.
Alex answers the question in the headline.
And they accept that as truth as opposed to what the source Alex is using actually says.
The reason that Alex trails off and then just says that the article goes on to lay it all out is because he's cold reading this, and he realizes in the middle of that that the article contradicts him, so he needs to bail and just start rambling.
Whenever you hear him say, it goes on, that is a tell that he's in over his head, and he doesn't know the information he's pretending to, and probably what he's about to read accidentally would be counter to his entire narrative.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something.
This is going to be really scary to Alex.
This is going to blow his mind, alright?
You already have monkey DNA inside you, buddy.
A lot of it.
Almost.
All of it.
We're monkeys!
dan friesen
No way, man.
No way, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, dude, we're apes, dude.
unidentified
We're the same fucking shit, man.
dan friesen
To be fair, Alex does not believe in evolution, so he probably would disagree with you on that.
So, look, we already know now that the race war narratives and the race war lockdowns that Alex was really concerned about earlier in the week Yeah, we just passed on those.
The public health lockdown stuff is more pressing now, and this is the biggest news that Alex has covered in his 28 years on air.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Even though it's something that he has already covered back in 2003, and it fizzled out because he was lying about it.
So we have no race war lockdowns, but it turns out Alex is retaining some pieces of his coverage of the Buffalo shooting.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Probably the worst ones he could.
jordan holmes
That's what I was thinking.
alex jones
Putin's top aide predicts global famine of Armageddon-like and apocalyptic, these are, quote, proportions, all based on the two-plus-year lockdown, where in many third-world countries, the IMF and World Bank ordered them to have up to two years of lockdown, devastating them, collapsing them.
40-plus million starved to death.
Ordered them!
Now the refugees are flooding the West.
As part of the replacement migration operation.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, we got that going.
jordan holmes
Wow, I would hate it if they kept using great replacement theory.
I do appreciate updating it to RMO.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, there's a plan in place that Alex is pointing to of replacement.
Yeah, I mean, I think that it's notable that the hateful elements of his Buffalo shooting coverage remain while the fear-based things that he wants the audience to engage with have shifted over to...
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, no, no.
It's like leftovers, you know?
The flavor is different.
It's the same food, but you can't reheat it and expect to taste the same.
dan friesen
It's just...
I would say shocking, but it's not.
We should be shocking.
It's just what Alex does.
We should be shocked.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
We're too late in this game to be shocked by this anymore.
So, one of the things that was going on in social media land over the course of...
Last week or so has been Elon Musk doing some shenanigans.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Oh, that guy.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So he announced that he was going to vote Republican.
Is that what he did?
Well, that's one thing.
And then he said that attacks on him would intensify.
And then it turned out that prior to him making those tweets, someone had reached out about allegations that he had exposed himself to a flight attendant.
And a lot of people are putting some pieces together and thinking, hey, maybe this whole thing about voting Republican and the attacks against me are going to intensify.
Maybe some sort of a preemptive way to get ahead of a story.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand.
Are you saying that an unimaginably wealthy man with absolute zero accountability took advantage of a defenseless woman?
That seems crazy.
I've never heard of that.
dan friesen
There are allegations, and look, obviously I don't know all the ins and outs and all the details of everything, but I would say that Elon Musk's behavior has not come off great.
Nah.
It seems like what's happened very much like someone who's guilty.
I would say his behavior does not inspire much confidence in me that he is blameless.
But Alex has a bit of a different perspective on this and seems to think that Elon Musk is totally cool and absolutely in the right.
alex jones
There's so much to tackle.
What's happening with Elon Musk?
He said, look.
Every time somebody bucks the globalist, they're going to do the Me Too thing.
And he's challenging this stewardess on a private jet who's in failed accuracy saying and saying, tell me this very identifiable thing on my genitals if I supposedly showed you my genitals.
And this is, again, all being done to punish him because he says he's going to vote Republican.
We've got all that and so much more.
What's going to happen to Biden?
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex is exactly the target for Elon Musk's sort of self-defense.
jordan holmes
It should not be this easy.
And it's totally this easy.
dan friesen
To swing Alex?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, no, no.
I mean, just the whole conservative...
That is a smart way to try and evade accountability in the court of public opinion, is just suddenly be like, hey, I'm right-wing, and they're attacking the right wing.
It has nothing to do with being held accountable for my shitty behavior.
Hey, listen up, you dumb army of morons!
Come to my aid!
It took...
Two seconds!
A rich person said he's voting Republican, so all of you need to get involved.
Oh my god!
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's bizarre to sort of see this play out as publicly and sort of transparently as it has.
jordan holmes
So obvious.
dan friesen
I'm sort of bewildered by that.
The way that he's tweeting through it, it's upsetting.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm at this place now where it's just like, learning, it's done.
It's done as a concept.
Learning doesn't happen anymore.
People only make the exact same mistake over and over and over again.
It's almost comforting now to know that people will fuck up in the same way.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's hopefully not true because our public health people need to take, you know, these precautions.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So Alex does not end up being correct about...
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex has some guests on this episode.
The first one is a little lawyer buddy of his.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Yep.
Bobby Barnes.
Robert Barnes is around.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And, hey, turns out he also thinks that the monkeypox is going to be a big deal.
alex jones
It's so surprising.
What is your view on what's currently happening?
And for me, it's pretty obvious the next big lockdown, the next big rollout, and the way to get this power-grabbing, sovereignty-destroying UN biomedical tyranny in is currently with the smallpox hysteria that I'm predicting is going to go ahead and escalate out of control, just like COVID.
What do you think?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, no doubt.
dan friesen
So, the smallpox hysteria now.
We're really playing fast and loose here with all this.
jordan holmes
Monkeypox, smallpox, hepatitis, COVID, you name it, we got it.
We're your one-stop shop.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not gonna listen to a ton of Barnes's interview, but it should be noted that a lot of it is him talking about how he's working with Robert Kennedy Jr. to do, like, litigation against the vaccine and stuff.
And so, like, yeah, maybe...
Maybe you have a little bit of a biased perspective on this.
jordan holmes
I've got a new thing for people to donate money to that won't go anywhere.
dan friesen
I'm on the anti-vax legal grift.
Good times.
Good times.
So the other guest that Alex has is a duo, a twofer.
And it's Peter McCullough, who is a big anti-vax doctor, and a guy named John Leak, who is an author.
And the thrust of this interview is that John Leake has written a book about McCullough called The Courage to Fight COVID-19 or something like that.
And here's the situation.
I find this to be a fairly damning book to exist and also an interview because...
This leak guy, he fancies himself a true crime author.
And so the perspective that he took and the entry point for him in terms of covering COVID-19 was as a true crime story.
And then he involved Peter McCullough in...
To help him with the, like, scientific aspects of this.
So now you have a guy who's invested in writing a book from a true crime angle about the COVID vaccine, and the main subject of his book is this Peter McCullough guy who's going around, appearing on Tucker, appearing on Laura Ingraham's show, appearing with Joe Rogan.
unidentified
Great!
dan friesen
Now, if he doesn't have the perspective that this is a true crime kind of vibe, what does that do for his book?
unidentified
Like, what does this do for the book that they're working to release?
dan friesen
It kind of looks a little bit shady.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I would say that if a true crime writer put together an entire book...
That was really, really well done.
And then before they published it, it was proven that the person they said 100% did it, 100% didn't.
I would assume that more likely than not, they'll just be like, no, I think you're wrong.
Buy my book.
dan friesen
I think that, well, I mean, look, whatever the leak guy, whatever his business is, is sort of secondary in some ways to like...
Peter McCullough.
I mean, it kind of makes you committed to a conclusion, I think, at a certain point when you have this guy who's writing a true crime book about you.
jordan holmes
I can't write a true crime novel about not a crime.
dan friesen
Right.
It would look bad if you were like, well, you know what?
I've gone over this, and it turns out I think that some of our previous assumptions that this true crime novel were based on are maybe a little bit faulty.
I think you can't do that.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you something right now.
You know that thing everybody's debunked a lot?
I tried to make it true, and it can't be done.
dan friesen
But it can in the context of a true crime-ish novel kind of thing.
jordan holmes
I can make it fake true.
dan friesen
Yeah, you just sort of bend shit.
So their interview is not really all that important, past that just sort of revelation that you have...
This sort of dynamic involved where this guy who's supposed to be a truth teller about all the stuff that the media is covering up about Ivermectin or whatever the fuck.
He has this sort of side influence, let's say, that makes some of his perspectives a little bit questionable.
But there are some funny things.
The first is that Alex, this clip is just great because I think it's Alex talking himself into being like, Yeah, I can say I've read your books.
unidentified
I wasn't gonna, but I can say that.
alex jones
Well, I can't wait to read the book because when I'm reading the synopsis here, I'm not a historian or criminologist like you that writes famous, powerful, true crime books, but just studying criminology.
And I have read some of your books now that I remember and think about it because I like true crime.
You're one of the top guys.
dan friesen
Talked himself into it.
jordan holmes
You know, I am willing to take a stab at it.
dan friesen
I felt it out and I don't think you're going to correct me.
jordan holmes
I took a look at it and I realized you're not going to be like, oh yeah, which one did you like the most?
dan friesen
Exactly, exactly.
I'm going to tell you that you're one of the top writers in true crime, and you're not going to come in with false modesty or anything like that.
So yeah, I'm going to let it fly.
jordan holmes
This is a pure transaction.
I tell you, you're good.
You pretend I've read your shit.
We move on.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and it's that guy, John Leak, the writer here, talking to Alex about the way that we counter the propaganda that's going on in the mainstream media about health.
jordan holmes
I imagine it has something to do with watching more Infowars and reading more of his book.
dan friesen
Wow, I wonder if that's the case.
alex jones
So how do we counter this?
unidentified
I mean, I think it starts with being aware that you're swimming in this sea of propaganda.
I mean, you know, this may seem like normalcy because the messaging has been so relentless, but once you realize a normal is being created when you turn on the television, quit accepting that that...
Television is an accurate representation of reality.
You need to start listening to Alex Jones.
alex jones
All I say is they should question everything we're saying.
We try to give articles and documents.
I make mistakes.
I'm not perfect, but I'm not trying to lie.
dan friesen
I counter that.
I protest to that.
I cannot live in a world where Alex actually does not mean to lie.
Because the level of mistakes, the level of things that he gets wrong constantly.
And the level of things that he gets wrong in the exact same direction.
jordan holmes
I think you're misunderstanding the way that he's using words there.
As you said, you said, he can't possibly not mean to lie.
My friend, he means to lie.
He is just not trying.
He is succeeding.
unidentified
Okay?
jordan holmes
That's how you gotta think of it.
I'm not trying to lie.
I'm kicking ass at lying.
I am murdering lying.
I'm like one of the top liars there's ever been.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess if you look at it that way, you might have some wiggle room where he can get away with this.
So yeah, but you were right, your prediction, watch more Info Wars.
Right?
jordan holmes
Right on, right on.
dan friesen
So yeah, I mean, look, we come to the end of this, and I wanted...
I wanted to have a longer episode because, like, you know, we're about an hour and it's, you know, that's unsatisfying in some ways.
It's maybe a normal length for some other shows, but for us it feels like an amulet bouche.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's almost like we might as well be taking a day off if we're only doing an hour and ten, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
But the, you know, the circumstances of, you know, trying to be overly careful and, you know, you're taking care of your partner.
And I don't know this technology all that well.
I didn't know if we're going to have a big fuck-up.
It's a little ungratifying.
But that said, I will guarantee a sneaky snake for everyone.
And I also think that we needed to have an episode about this because there's a lot of talk about the monkeypox stuff.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Alex's angle on it is so ridiculous.
That, you know, it merits talking about.
But at the end of the day, there's not really that much else to say outside of what you can cover in about an hour.
So there's that.
jordan holmes
I mean, Roger Stone did say that the North Koreans shipped in monkeypox along with the ballots in Maine.
So that's why it took so long to get the rest of the monkeypox out to the country.
It's tough to get to Maine.
dan friesen
I would love it if Alex puts out a compilation of the times that he predicted monkeypox and its videos from 2003.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That would be great.
That would be great.
dan friesen
I expect that something like that is coming.
But anyway, Jordan, we'll be back on our next episode.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
And we will be in person and dig more into something.
bill gates
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed, Jordan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I hope you all have a dreamy, creamy summer.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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