Knowledge Fight - #636: April 27, 2009
Aired: 2022-01-14
Duration: 01:43:06


=== A Bright Spot Amidst Garbage (04:33) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  We need money.
[00:00:39]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:42]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:47]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding us.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a first time caller.
[00:00:51]  I'm a huge fan.
[00:00:51]  I love your room.
[00:00:53]  Knowledge Fight.
[00:00:55]  KnowledgeFight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody!
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fright.
[00:01:00]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:01]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around to worship the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are.
[00:01:07]  Dan?
[00:01:07]  Dan?
[00:01:08]  Uh, Jordan.
[00:01:09]  Quick question.
[00:01:09]  Forgot your name for a second.
[00:01:12]  That's fine.
[00:01:13]  2022, who are you?
[00:01:15]  We'll come up with something.
[00:01:17]  What's your bright spot today, buddy?
[00:01:18]  My bright spot today is I put a new cover art on the show.
[00:01:24]  This is an image that was sent to us a while back by a guy named Jack K. Not Jack K, the actress.
[00:01:30]  No.
[00:01:30]  Jack K. Yes.
[00:01:32]  Yeah.
[00:01:32]  Sent this design.
[00:01:34]  I really liked it.
[00:01:36]  I've been thinking about freshening things up.
[00:01:38]  It was our anniversary for the show.
[00:01:40]  Brand new world.
[00:01:41]  The timing is perfect, and I figured out what I'd been doing wrong in terms of why our really old cover art was showing up in Apple Podcasts.
[00:01:52]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's been appearing.
[00:01:54]  I'd sized the image wrong, it turns out.
[00:01:57]  And apparently it was outside of the range of what iTunes and Apple Podcasts accept.
[00:02:01]  So I figured, like, fuck it, let's one fell swoop.
[00:02:04]  Sleep clean.
[00:02:05]  So thanks to Jack.
[00:02:06]  That image is really great, and I appreciate that.
[00:02:08]  People are really enjoying it, and I love looking at it as well.
[00:02:12]  There's so many things to find in there.
[00:02:14]  It's really great.
[00:02:15]  Yep.
[00:02:16]  Yep.
[00:02:16]  Some people are very confused by the pink tar.
[00:02:20]  That's a deep cut.
[00:02:22]  It's true.
[00:02:22]  Yeah.
[00:02:23]  And we will not explain it.
[00:02:25]  Never.
[00:02:26]  So, yeah.
[00:02:27]  What about you?
[00:02:29]  My bright spot, Dan, is I saw The Eternals.
[00:02:33]  Okay.
[00:02:33]  I heard that was bad.
[00:02:35]  Garbage.
[00:02:36]  Absolute garbage.
[00:02:37]  Really, really terrible.
[00:02:38]  But there's one moment in the film where part of the reason it's bad is it is incomprehensible, and what's comprehensible?
[00:02:45]  Incredibly stupid about their backstory.
[00:02:48]  Sure.
[00:02:48]  Well, they're eternal.
[00:02:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:50]  So apparently one of the deviants, slowly, they're supposed to be this race of monster, and the Eternals fight them, and blah, blah, blah.
[00:02:57]  You know the whole deal, right?
[00:02:58]  So one of them gains sentience, right?
[00:03:01]  And slowly starts to think and feel and has thoughts after absorbing one of these dudes.
[00:03:05]  Alright?
[00:03:06]  So, they find out that the god that created them both has really just been, like, playing ants and pushing them and making them fight this whole time.
[00:03:16]  Okay.
[00:03:17]  Right?
[00:03:17]  So the guy that gained sentience is like, hey...
[00:03:19]  Fuck this noise.
[00:03:21]  Let's team up and go after the real guy.
[00:03:23]  We're just pawns in his dumb game.
[00:03:24]  We're the people who are victims here.
[00:03:26]  Both of us.
[00:03:27]  You and me, right?
[00:03:28]  Was that Kumail?
[00:03:29]  No, no, no.
[00:03:30]  Kumail was one of the Eternals.
[00:03:32]  So then they brutally murdered this guy who had just gained sentience and was 100% correct about everything.
[00:03:38]  Oh, so the Eternals murdered that.
[00:03:40]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:41]  No, every part of this movie is bad because the only good guy in this movie was murdered immediately.
[00:03:45]  By the ostensible heroes.
[00:03:47]  By the ostensible good guys.
[00:03:48]  And what it made...
[00:03:49]  What made it my bright spot, though, is that in a way, I think it was an unintended microcosm of the Marvel machine.
[00:03:56]  You know, like, the one bright spot that said, listen...
[00:04:00]  We can break through of this goddamn orthodox storytelling method.
[00:04:04]  This is all made up dumb bullshit.
[00:04:06]  We're just fighting for no reason!
[00:04:08]  We gotta change the murder!
[00:04:10]  And it's like, yeah, man, you nailed it!
[00:04:12]  I'm glad that you dug deep and found some meaning in that movie.
[00:04:15]  I did, I did.
[00:04:16]  I've not seen it, so when I say I heard it's bad, I'm just basing it off.
[00:04:19]  Don't ever see it.
[00:04:20]  Random tweets I might have skimmed past.
[00:04:22]  Real bad.
[00:04:23]  So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
[00:04:26]  We're going to go back into the past, not to 2003, but we're going to take a separate journey today, because I was thinking about it, and I'm like, I don't want to fucking talk more about these same stupid, like the COVID conspiracies, and I don't want to talk about, like, James O 'Keefe, Project Veritas put out a video.

=== Alex's Narrative Strategy (07:41) ===

[00:04:45]  I don't care.
[00:04:45]  Who gives a shit?
[00:04:46]  I don't want to hear about it.
[00:04:47]  Yeah, Rand Paul got into a little fight with Fauci again.
[00:04:51]  I don't care.
[00:04:51]  Was he debating me?
[00:04:52]  Then fuck off.
[00:04:53]  Alex is probably gonna have a fit.
[00:04:54]  I don't care.
[00:04:55]  So I just was like, the present day, I gotta let it simmer for a little bit.
[00:04:59]  You're never gonna do better than on Monday the who's the most important person in the world.
[00:05:03]  We can't follow it up.
[00:05:04]  Never.
[00:05:05]  We can't follow it up.
[00:05:05]  No.
[00:05:06]  No.
[00:05:06]  So I needed to go back to the past on a little bit of an excursion based on some things that I've stumbled across online.
[00:05:15]  I want to explore some ideas that I had about them.
[00:05:18]  But before we get down to business on all that, let's take a little moment to say thank you and hello to some new wonks.
[00:05:23]  So first, Candy and Ansys.
[00:05:25]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:26]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:27]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:28]  Thanks, Candy!
[00:05:29]  Thank you.
[00:05:29]  Next, I am now the scout wonk.
[00:05:31]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:31]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:32]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:34]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:34]  Thank you.
[00:05:35]  Next, Kian, the trisexual ant being.
[00:05:38]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:38]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:40]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:41]  Thanks, Kian!
[00:05:42]  Next, the common Florida burb guy.
[00:05:44]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:45]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:46]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:47]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:48]  And Joshua Kimball, who wonders if he ever crossed paths with Dan in the movie theaters of Columbia, Missouri in the mid and late 2000s.
[00:05:55]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:55]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:57]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:58]  Thank you very much!
[00:05:59]  I would say there's a decent chance, I guess.
[00:06:04]  Yeah.
[00:06:04]  Anyway, Jordan, so, look, here's the other downside of this episode.
[00:06:10]  We're recording this on Thursday.
[00:06:12]  Yes, indeed.
[00:06:12]  And we just got news that Stuart Rhodes got arrested.
[00:06:16]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:06:17]  That one was kind of big.
[00:06:18]  And, boy, I'd love to talk about that.
[00:06:21]  Yeah, instead we're going back to July 23rd, 1860.
[00:06:24]  The first time we talked about a civil war.
[00:06:27]  The first time Stuart Rhodes got arrested.
[00:06:28]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:06:29]  I think that...
[00:06:31]  Alex's response to this will be very illuminating, very interesting, and I can't wait to talk about that on Monday.
[00:06:37]  It frustrates me that there's no way for us to do that for this episode.
[00:06:40]  I'm broadcasting from Paraguay for no reason!
[00:06:44]  So, I was going back through some of the archives and such of Alex's shows and other things on InfoWars, and one of the things I noticed was...
[00:06:54]  There's a bit of a pattern as it relates to how public health crises are covered.
[00:07:00]  And so I noticed a number of things surrounding, in particular, the end of April in 2009, which is when the H1N1 swine flu pandemic was really getting going and the first cases were identified.
[00:07:17]  Yes.
[00:07:18]  I remember that.
[00:07:20]  I started to recognize there are some things that would be well worth our time to look at as it relates to Alex's behavior in the present day and draw some connections.
[00:07:32]  Almost like maybe there's a template.
[00:07:33]  Almost.
[00:07:34]  So I want to start off with a little bit of a comment, and that is that I mean in no way to minimize the impact of the 2009 H1N1 outbreak in this episode.
[00:07:45]  I'm not minimizing or belittling it.
[00:07:47]  It was a serious public health event and a lot of people got sick and died.
[00:07:50]  But I think it's very clear from history that it wasn't as severe an event as what we're living through in the present.
[00:07:56]  The point of this episode that I put together today is to look at some of Alex's coverage from the early days of H1N1 or the swine flu outbreak to highlight the ways that his rhetoric was almost identical to the ways he behaved in the early days of the COVID pandemic at the beginning of 2020.
[00:08:11]  Alex's tone has changed a bit since that point, but it's my contention that he's only had to change his rhetoric because he fucked up.
[00:08:18]  Over the course of this, I'm going to argue that Alex has a method of responding to things like novel outbreaks that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of the situation, but is actually motivated by the utility that this method has in terms of building and pushing predetermined narratives.
[00:08:33]  These central narratives are the virus is man-made, It's a bioweapon.
[00:08:37]  It was deployed in order to put in martial law.
[00:08:40]  It was deployed in order to make people get vaccines and that the vaccines will be mandated and they're secretly meant to hurt you.
[00:08:47]  In addition to these narratives, I contend that Alex also uses some hallmark techniques in order to reinforce his narratives and uses set strategies in order to get his message out.
[00:08:56]  Through examining a few broadcasts from 2009, I believe that all this is pretty clearly borne out, and I hope that looking at this will be helpful in terms of understanding how meaningless Alex's stories about the present pandemic really are.
[00:09:08]  Earlier I said Alex's narratives about COVID are so convoluted and all over the map right now because he fucked up, and what I mean by that is this.
[00:09:15]  In the past, Alex was able to maximize his outcomes by following basically the same script that he used at the beginning of the COVID outbreak.
[00:09:23]  In these instances, whether it was the avian flu in 2005, Ebola in 2014, or H1N1 in 2009, the public health response was competent, and we got lucky.
[00:09:34]  So the diseases didn't end up causing the sort of social disruption that we've seen in the last few years.
[00:09:40]  That's the sweet spot for someone like Alex to work in.
[00:09:42]  There's a legitimate public health concern that he can spread bullshit about, but the adults working on the actual problems are still able to get their work done to avert any real long-running troubles.
[00:09:52]  Alex gets to fearmonger, make a ton of unfounded claims, and then when things die down, he can move on to another subject altogether.
[00:10:00]  In fact, because things are being competently handled, he doesn't even really have to make a story like H1N1 the number one story in his rotation every day over and over again.
[00:10:09]  Alex would have had every expectation, based on every single time he's done this in the past, that COVID would go the same way.
[00:10:16]  But it didn't.
[00:10:18]  I believe that had things gone poorly in the past, in other instances, you would see a similar deterioration of Alex trying to...
[00:10:30]  Keep his grip on the narrative as things just spiral out of control.
[00:10:35]  I mean, obviously the most important, not most important, but definitely not coincidental thing, is that the president that he wanted was in the White House at the time that he did not get what he wanted.
[00:10:47]  Yep.
[00:10:48]  In a way that...
[00:10:49]  Made it look like he got what he wanted.
[00:10:50]  Is this irony?
[00:10:51]  It is not irony so much as a self-fulfilling failure prophecy.
[00:10:55]  Is it Morissette irony?
[00:10:56]  It could be.
[00:10:57]  So we're going to start here looking at an episode of Jason Bermas' show, The Info Warrior.
[00:11:04]  Interesting.
[00:11:04]  Jason Bermas back in the fold now.
[00:11:06]  He was, of course, one of the guys who made loose change.
[00:11:09]  Yes.
[00:11:10]  Him and Alex, I guess, became best friends.
[00:11:14]  Forever.
[00:11:15]  I honestly think if you look back at some of the earlier times in InfoWars history, like around these, you know, 2008, 2009, this stretch of time, Alex owes a lot to Jason Bermas in terms of, first of all, loose change.
[00:11:30]  Sure.
[00:11:30]  Second, he was the guy who would fill in for Alex when Alex had no other employees.
[00:11:35]  And he was the person who Alex had, like, as another show.
[00:11:38]  Right.
[00:11:39]  When there were no other shows on the InfoWars network.
[00:11:42]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:11:44]  So, Jason Berman says this show, The Info Warrior, that's evenings.
[00:11:48]  It's an evening show.
[00:11:49]  And on this April 27, 2009 episode, Alex is filling in because Jason is running late.
[00:11:55]  And so Alex gets into a little bit of news about the H1N1.
[00:12:01]  So I would ask the Genesis Network folks up there, if you get on the line and somebody's not from Mexico or doesn't have family in Mexico or not from San Antonio or other areas where there are outbreaks, We would ask folks to call in later, just in the next hour, after we get some of these calls from Mexico or areas affected by this new...

=== Designer Virus Predetermined (15:30) ===

[00:12:22]  Designer virus is exactly what it looks like.
[00:12:25]  So we have a presentation already.
[00:12:28]  This is days after the first cases are identified in the United States.
[00:12:33]  Pretty shortly after the news had broken of the first cases in Mexico.
[00:12:37]  And already this is predetermined to be a designed virus that was manufactured.
[00:12:43]  They did this.
[00:12:44]  They cooked this shit up.
[00:12:46]  Yeah.
[00:12:47]  It's a formula.
[00:12:49]  It's a knee-jerk reaction.
[00:12:50]  It really was like he didn't even think about it.
[00:12:52]  It was just like, oh, he doesn't even know how to speak of viruses that aren't designed.
[00:12:57]  Like the idea of, oh, the designer virus, the flu.
[00:13:00]  I think a lot of times you could look at any wild-born virus or disease.
[00:13:08]  And you could find something suspicious about it.
[00:13:10]  You could probably find something that's weird about most diseases that...
[00:13:15]  Well, I mean, viruses are weird in the first place.
[00:13:18]  They're alive, but they're not alive?
[00:13:19]  What does that even fucking mean?
[00:13:21]  You guys are driving me crazy!
[00:13:22]  Sure, but you could find something to cast suspicion on.
[00:13:24]  And in this case, it's that there are elements of swine, avian, and human flus.
[00:13:30]  Influencers that make up this new novel.
[00:13:35]  But that's not that surprising.
[00:13:38]  Especially not now.
[00:13:39]  Well, experts, scientists and researchers who weighed in, even at the time, they talk about recombining that happens when, let's say, one pig is infected with multiple viruses.
[00:13:52]  They will trade genetic information, and you can end up with the genetic information of various different flus combining into one.
[00:14:01]  And so that's basically...
[00:14:03]  As much as he has for this was designed.
[00:14:06]  Right.
[00:14:06]  It's because there's these hallmarks of three different types of flu.
[00:14:10]  It's a weak argument, but that's stamped in the narrative immediately.
[00:14:17]  Instant.
[00:14:17]  And once you know that it's designed, we've got to ask yourself some other questions about it.
[00:14:22]  Who designed it?
[00:14:22]  Also, is swine flu a biological weapon?
[00:14:25]  Excellent article.
[00:14:26]  That is up on PrisonPlanet.com that Bermas is going to be going over.
[00:14:30]  Another one, is swine flu a biological weapon again?
[00:14:34]  It was the printer-friendly version of that.
[00:14:36]  Yeah, you just gotta stop overprinting here, man.
[00:14:39]  I mean...
[00:14:40]  Actually, he's reading two headlines, but it's the same article.
[00:14:44]  Has he considered the overhead that comes along with the amount of toner he uses?
[00:14:48]  It's gotta be huge.
[00:14:49]  I mean, it's crazy.
[00:14:50]  Yeah, when I was making the buttons that I sent out, it was...
[00:14:53]  Every time you bought ink, you were like, what?
[00:14:54]  It was at expense.
[00:14:55]  It was ridiculous.
[00:14:56]  Yes.
[00:14:57]  There's no way that this is okay.
[00:14:58]  No, and he's doing this every day.
[00:15:00]  What are these stacks about?
[00:15:01]  Oof.
[00:15:02]  Empty paper.
[00:15:03]  Yeah, and some of them are...
[00:15:04]  Yeah, and unreal!
[00:15:06]  You are throwing money away!
[00:15:08]  So it's probably not surprising, but this headline that Alex is reading, suggesting that swine flu could be a biological weapon, was written by Paul Joseph Watson.
[00:15:16]  Paul is hip by this point in 2009 and seems to be aware that he should probably cover his ass.
[00:15:21]  So this article starts like this.
[00:15:23]  Quote, there are some factors that suggest the swine flu killing people in Mexico may be a biological weapon, but obviously no such conclusion can be drawn at this time.
[00:15:32]  Oh, man.
[00:15:33]  Well done, Paul.
[00:15:34]  Wow.
[00:15:35]  The lead of Paul's story is that there's no conclusive answer, but wouldn't it be fun to spend the next 12 or so paragraphs heavily insinuating that you don't have a conclusive answer, but you think that the swine flu probably is a biological weapon?
[00:15:46]  That sounds fun.
[00:15:47]  Yeah!
[00:15:47]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:48]  So the article that Paul has written largely relies on an alleged source who spoke to former regular InfoWars guest Wayne Madsen.
[00:15:55]  Wayne is one of Alex's old best buddies, and he was the guy who broke that story about Hillary Clinton's personal chef being found dead with a note attached to him that said, Call Larry Nichols.
[00:16:04]  So you know that this dude is credible as hell.
[00:16:06]  He's the good shit.
[00:16:07]  Yeah.
[00:16:08]  He stopped talking to Alex a little bit after Alex went all in for Trump, since Wayne was a conspiracy lunatic, but probably sensed that that was bad for his brand.
[00:16:16]  Wayne's source apparently told him that he was, quote, convinced that the current outbreak of a new strain of swine fluid in Mexico in some parts of the United States is the result of an introduction of a human-engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and commerce.
[00:16:35]  Paul plays with the knife's edge, stressing that it's too early to say anything with certainty, but also ends the article with this paragraph.
[00:16:42]  Quote, fears that a mass pandemic was being readied as a biological attack have rumbled on in the conspiracy community ever since 9-11.
[00:16:50]  Investigators point to the highly unusual number of deaths of top microbiologists to suggest that people with knowledge of the program are being eliminated.
[00:16:58]  That's funny.
[00:16:59]  That's a fun thing.
[00:17:00]  Since 9-11.
[00:17:01]  Conspiracy-minded people have said that about every virus since fucking before.
[00:17:05]  When they threw dead bodies into castles, they were like, oh, those guys have man-made that virus.
[00:17:10]  Well, and I mean, I think, you know, you see historical, like, I think that 1918 was prior to 9-11.
[00:17:19]  Yes, absolutely, yes.
[00:17:20]  That's a sooner one.
[00:17:22]  There were some people who had theories about that one.
[00:17:23]  I may have gone back a little bit further.
[00:17:25]  Yeah.
[00:17:26]  So, I also would like...
[00:17:28]  To ask Paul, what investigators are pointing to this kind of stuff exactly?
[00:17:33]  It seems like it's you.
[00:17:34]  It seems like it's you, Paul.
[00:17:35]  Well, some investigators have said.
[00:17:37]  Seems like some bullshit.
[00:17:38]  It's being used to freak readers out and make them have fears about this mass pandemic being launched as a biological attack, just like Infowars does all the time.
[00:17:46]  It seems like this end that's justifying whatever insinuations you're making throughout the article is just like, well, we do this a lot.
[00:17:53]  I mean, this is kind of our thing.
[00:17:54]  Don't you understand?
[00:17:55]  It's normal for us.
[00:17:56]  What are you going to say?
[00:17:57]  InfoWars don't do you?
[00:17:58]  That's wrong.
[00:17:59]  That's wrong.
[00:18:00]  It's important to understand that a large part of what Alex has been doing over the course of the current pandemic is part of a larger pattern.
[00:18:07]  And seeing the same stuff play out in other periods in his career can be really helpful in illustrating the exact ways he's full of shit.
[00:18:13]  The reality is he's doing these exact same things that we saw at the beginning of the pandemic here in the past.
[00:18:18]  And he would have been doing exactly the same thing that he's doing now then if it weren't for some good luck and better public health response that led to these outbreaks not getting as bad as things have gotten today.
[00:18:28]  Yeah.
[00:18:28]  And we see, like, a really concrete example here.
[00:18:33]  Also, it's up to 149 confirmed dead in Mexico, but the numbers we were getting was over 200 Saturdays, so they're clearly suppressing.
[00:18:41]  Those numbers, even according to the BBC.
[00:18:43]  It may be difficult to remember this now, but when COVID was just emerging, Alex wasn't a huge denialist about it.
[00:18:50]  He was a sensationalist, and one of his main narratives in the beginning was that China was suppressing the numbers of dead by gigantic magnitudes.
[00:18:58]  I think it's probably fair to say that there wasn't total transparency with China's reporting, but that has no bearing on how irresponsible and dishonest the kind of reporting Alex did was.
[00:19:07]  This is from March 24, 2020.
[00:19:12]  This coronavirus situation and all these top biological weapons experts and top scientists scanning the virus and saying it's man-made, we've got to get ahead of this.
[00:19:21]  And if you notice the virus numbers, maybe we can punch those back up for a moment while we're waiting for the president.
[00:19:27]  The official World Health Organization says 28,000 confirmed.
[00:19:30]  When I walked in here a few minutes ago, it was 24,000.
[00:19:34]  But the internal Chinese numbers that leaked and were actually published in China by the People's Daily, Said 24,000 dead yesterday.
[00:19:42]  So what we think they're doing is they're just putting the number of dead as the number of infected.
[00:19:47]  This is part of Alex's early sensationalism, which he employs because it's profitable.
[00:19:51]  And generally, there isn't any real consequence to any of it because public health protocols are handled responsibly.
[00:19:57]  At this point, Alex had every reason to assume that the 2019 coronavirus would be like all the other health scares he'd sensationalize.
[00:20:04]  And within that clip, you already see multiple elements of this exact same script.
[00:20:14]  It was made in a lab.
[00:20:16]  Built by these bad guys.
[00:20:19]  And also, they are covering up exactly how there's a grander scale of the deaths that they're lying to us about.
[00:20:27]  Yep.
[00:20:28]  All consistent.
[00:20:29]  And the only difference, the only thing that's different is that the person he wanted to be running the country was running the country at cross purposes with the organization that was supposed to be the adults trying to stop all of this stuff from happening.
[00:20:42]  It's crazy how that works.
[00:20:44]  It's almost like there's a very simple direct lesson to be learned.
[00:20:48]  I don't think we'll ever do it.
[00:20:49]  Probably not.
[00:20:50]  Nope.
[00:20:50]  So, Alex also, in the present day, one of the things that he would do...
[00:20:55]  I guess you just do this all the time, actually.
[00:20:57]  This isn't really a connection between these two instances of public health things.
[00:21:01]  It's kind of a consistent pattern, and that is misuse sources.
[00:21:05]  Oh, sure.
[00:21:05]  And so he has a CNN interview that he's going to bring up, and it's an interview with this retired general, Honoré, which is, I know this name because Alex will reference him a lot.
[00:21:17]  But it's fun because at this point in 2009, Alex has no idea who he is.
[00:21:22]  It's really fun to watch him try and pronounce the name.
[00:21:24]  Up on PrisonPlanet.com, there's another headline of a CNN clip.
[00:21:29]  In fact, guys, let's get that video clip ready because I want to play that clip coming up once Burmus is here and on the show.
[00:21:36]  Retired Army General Russell, I believe he pronounced that H-O-N-O-R-E with a French squiggly on the end of it.
[00:21:46]  How do you pronounce that?
[00:21:49]  H-O-N-O-R-E on CNN.
[00:21:52]  Did swine flu come out of a lab?
[00:21:56]  Retired Army General Russell Honora on CNN.
[00:22:00]  How did this start in Mexico?
[00:22:02]  Where did it emanate from?
[00:22:03]  We've been able to find that out in all previous pandemics.
[00:22:07]  The question now is to get the heart of how this started.
[00:22:12]  Did it start from a...
[00:22:14]  Occasion of viruses coming together or did it come out of a lab?
[00:22:17]  All those questions have to be answered.
[00:22:18]  Most doctors, medical doctors and virologists we've talked to and that are on record say this had to be weaponized and engineered.
[00:22:23]  We'll tell you why when we get back.
[00:22:24]  Oh boy.
[00:22:25]  So you can see here the next very clear parallel between Alex's swine flu coverage and how things began with COVID.
[00:22:31]  He's focusing attention on building up the narrative that the flu came out of lab and was built by bad guys.
[00:22:37]  Right.
[00:22:37]  Gotta get it out there.
[00:22:38]  The reason he does this is pretty simple, but there's actually two prongs to it.
[00:22:41]  The first is that if it came from nature, there's no real bad guy.
[00:22:45]  We're all just trying to deal with this wild-born disease that threatens us all, and it's not really all that exciting.
[00:22:51]  If it came from a lab, then there's intrigue and the ability to paint these meddling scientists as either outright villains or people who probably meant well but were tampering with forces outside of what God wants man to tamper with, which led to a smiting.
[00:23:04]  There are more movies about mad scientists than there are of, like, the crops aren't as good this year.
[00:23:09]  What have we wrought?
[00:23:11]  Yeah.
[00:23:12]  The second reason is because reporting all of these potential outbreak stories as having their roots in a lab, it helps bolster anti-vax narratives in as much as they undermine general trust in science.
[00:23:23]  There's an added element to this, too, which is that it's always reported as vaccine research gone wrong that led to this lab accident or the release of this alleged bioweapon, which has the effect of associating vaccine development with disaster in the audience's mind.
[00:23:37]  This interview that retired General Honore did with CNN was between him and Don Lemon.
[00:23:43]  Here's the exchange that Alex is basing this insinuation on.
[00:23:47]  Lemon has pointed out that informing people is an important part of a national strategy to a public health response, and Honore says, Informing people, so people can make informed decisions.
[00:23:58]  That will help us, that will help stop the spread of the disease.
[00:24:01]  But you know, the key question we've got to ask is, we think it came from Mexico.
[00:24:05]  That's the conventional wisdom of most folks.
[00:24:07]  The next question is, how did it start in Mexico?
[00:24:10]  Where did it emanate from?
[00:24:12]  We've been able to find out that in all previous pandemics.
[00:24:15]  The question is to get at the heart of how did this start?
[00:24:18]  Did it start from the occasion of viruses coming together, or was it, did it come out of a lab?
[00:24:23]  I mean, all these questions have to be answered.
[00:24:25]  I know it seems like I'm possibly splitting hairs, but I sincerely believe there's a relevant difference between someone saying that it's important to understand where the virus came from and the way Alex was reporting on these comments.
[00:24:36]  The difference is that interviews like these with General Honoré are open-ended in terms of laying out questions that are on the table, whereas Alex's coverage is designed to lead the listener to a predetermined conclusion.
[00:24:48]  The goal is to cover this as a lab-related outbreak, and Alex uses Honoré's comment to further that goal.
[00:24:54]  You can see that, by the way, that Alex has tailored the headline as to only include the part where it's suggesting that the virus came from lab, and, of course, the part at the end where he's saying that all experts are saying it's weaponized.
[00:25:04]  Yeah, that part was really a problem.
[00:25:07]  Yeah, it's a little overt.
[00:25:08]  That one got a little out of hand.
[00:25:10]  You know, like, he was like, we don't know exactly, and then they turned into this is a bioweapon.
[00:25:15]  That's a little bit far.
[00:25:16]  I do think, though...
[00:25:17]  He's saying that all the experts and scientists that we've talked to have said that.
[00:25:21]  I think that's actually possibly a true statement if you specifically only talk to crazies.
[00:25:26]  We talked to three people with rabies, and they all agreed in between frothing in the mouth.
[00:25:32]  I have a good authority from all the people that I've talked to that everyone has rabies.
[00:25:37]  All of the scientists we've spoke to have said, and I think that speaks for itself.
[00:25:45]  Yeah, and so, of course, You know, we have this established.
[00:25:49]  This is from a lab, and now we've got to build from there.
[00:25:52]  Yeah, well, this is just a clip of the retired general on CNN pointing out that this could be made in a lab.
[00:25:58]  And when you get all these different viruses mixed together, where you get the pig flu, the swine flu, this bird flu, and human flu, all mixed together classically, historically, that is engineered in a lab.
[00:26:13]  And then you always have it coming from the east.
[00:26:16]  And there's two different flu seasons, and it always comes from the east, the new strains always.
[00:26:21]  This originated in Mexico City, and they've known about it since March 18th at least, and we're busy covering it up.
[00:26:27]  And the reason they're so scared is because it's killing healthy, virile 18- to 30-year-old men and women mainly, and the death toll is now upwards of 149.
[00:26:37]  I have the latest there, and that's probably a whitewash number.
[00:26:41]  So this is a really dishonest way to leap off of Honoré's CNN interview.
[00:26:45]  There's no reason to believe that just because the 2009 H1N1 virus had elements of swine, avian, and human flus in it, that means that it had to be made in a lab.
[00:26:54]  Scientists who have studied the virus widely reject this conclusion for a number of reasons.
[00:26:58]  The first is that it's entirely possible for this kind of recombination to happen in nature.
[00:27:03]  Pigs or people can be infected with multiple flus simultaneously and then they can recombine in ways where they trade genetic information.
[00:27:10]  According to the CDC, quote, I think?

=== Pigs and Viral Recombination (15:23) ===

[00:27:38]  once naturally in the five years prior to the identification of the 2009 h1n1 flu So there's precedent.
[00:27:45]  Yeah, see, now this is one of those times where I feel like scientists need somebody like me right next to them to explain it, right?
[00:27:53]  Because they're like, oh, see, these pigs can, and then all the viruses, and then they recombine, and that's how we can see that stuff.
[00:28:00]  And I could just be there and be like, man, pigs let viruses fuck inside them!
[00:28:05]  Who knows?
[00:28:06]  And then we'd be fine.
[00:28:07]  Everybody would understand that better than they recombine.
[00:28:10]  It's more relatable.
[00:28:13]  Yeah, I guess that is an approach.
[00:28:16]  So there's no need for a lab to be involved to explain the complex nature of the virus, but Alex is obscuring that to further push his predetermined conclusion that the virus had to have come from a lab, just as he's done consistently since the beginning of COVID.
[00:28:28]  He's jumped all over the place trying to find these weird explanations for why it had to be made in a lab that have all been fallen flat and he's kind of forgotten about.
[00:28:40]  As for the idea that flus come from the East, that's actually...
[00:28:43]  Actually, kind of been borne out by research, but it's not a universal thing.
[00:28:47]  A study by the University of Chicago noted that between 2000 and 2010, 87% of the, quote, most successful globally spreading strains of H3N2 originated in East, South, and Southeast Asia.
[00:29:00]  N3N2, of course, being the most common disease-causing strain.
[00:29:05]  tell us another little fact, and that is that it's not unheard of for flus to pop up in other locations.
[00:29:10]  Yeah.
[00:29:10]  There's a good 13% there that...
[00:29:13]  Yeah.
[00:29:13]  And this is also only of the most successful globally spreading strains.
[00:29:17]  So, you know, there are...
[00:29:20]  It doesn't have to have come from the East.
[00:29:22]  It could easily have popped up in Mexico.
[00:29:24]  And again, that is not some sort of, it comes from the East, because East is a relative concept, and it comes from an environment and an ecosphere.
[00:29:34]  And we'd call that the East just because that's where it is in our heads, but it could be anywhere.
[00:29:40]  Sure, and there's some...
[00:29:44]  Non-consensus, let's say.
[00:29:45]  There's competing theories about exactly why that phenomenon is the case.
[00:29:48]  Right.
[00:29:49]  Whether it has to do with something about population patterns or it has to do with the climate.
[00:29:54]  It's not entirely clear.
[00:29:56]  But it's not the Chinese people themselves doing it.
[00:29:59]  No.
[00:30:00]  But I don't think Alex is saying that, to be fair.
[00:30:02]  No, I know.
[00:30:03]  But it gets weirdly close to that sometimes.
[00:30:05]  I think he is in the present.
[00:30:06]  Yeah, well, there's that.
[00:30:07]  So Alex is fairly right that 2009 H1N1 did affect younger people more severely.
[00:30:12]  With people over 65 being less vulnerable.
[00:30:15]  However, what he's saying about there being a cover-up of anything is just not founded in any way.
[00:30:20]  And here we see another common feature of how Alex reports on public health matters in the immediate.
[00:30:25]  It's important to cast suspicion on all other sources of information, so no matter what the reality of the situation is, you lead with accusing them of a cover-up.
[00:30:34]  By this point, the CDC was already posting updates about what information had been learned up until that point.
[00:30:39]  The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy were sounding the alarm.
[00:30:43]  State governments were posting guidance for people to avert panic and help them guide themselves through any possible health problems.
[00:30:51]  CNN had even reported on cases that had been confirmed in California I don't know what cover-up Alex is.
[00:30:58]  Because there wasn't one.
[00:30:59]  But the suggestion that there was is crucial to undermining trust in public health experts, which then helps Alex present himself as the actual expert to his audience.
[00:31:09]  Around every corner in the present pandemic, there have been accusations of cover-ups because it's an easy thing to do and you never have to back it up.
[00:31:16]  Nope.
[00:31:17]  And you see it, you know.
[00:31:18]  And the thing about it that makes it so good is, no matter what they're telling you, because yes, you see all this stuff, you can always claim they're covering up something.
[00:31:27]  Right.
[00:31:28]  You know, oh, sure, it's in the news that there are cases in L.A., but they're covering up that there are cases everywhere.
[00:31:33]  And you know what's magical about that, too?
[00:31:34]  What?
[00:31:35]  Is if you just have a vague notion that there's a cover-up, your mind gets to imagine whatever you want.
[00:31:40]  Whatever it is you want.
[00:31:41]  Yes.
[00:31:42]  And if months later something comes out that wasn't in the reporting, by any innocuous reason, for any reason, part of the fucking cover-up, buddy.
[00:31:51]  You bet.
[00:31:52]  You know it.
[00:31:52]  And I secretly knew that all the time.
[00:31:55]  Even though I said they were covering up 10 million different other things, the one that I didn't say that did happen to be the case is the one that I meant.
[00:32:02]  Yeah.
[00:32:03]  So, Jordan, at this point, presenting you with this information, how do you feel about what Alex wants the audience to think about this virus?
[00:32:12]  I feel like he wants to let them know that the government is murdering them as they speak, and that if they're not terrified in giving him money...
[00:32:21]  It's all over.
[00:32:22]  Well, there's a cover-up.
[00:32:23]  Well, sure.
[00:32:24]  You wanted specifics.
[00:32:25]  Well, no, I mean, I'm just sort of bouncing back.
[00:32:29]  There's a cover-up.
[00:32:30]  This was clearly made in a lab.
[00:32:32]  Who's covering up?
[00:32:33]  It was manufactured for a reason.
[00:32:34]  It was a bioweapon, most likely.
[00:32:37]  Came from outside the United States.
[00:32:38]  And there...
[00:32:40]  Like, reporting fraudulently low death numbers.
[00:32:42]  They're lying about everything.
[00:32:44]  Which kind of implies that more people are dying.
[00:32:46]  So you'd think, kind of, that you're supposed to be scared of this virus, right?
[00:32:49]  I would be terrified.
[00:32:50]  I feel like that's the tone.
[00:32:52]  But then we get to this point.
[00:32:54]  The death toll is now upwards of 149.
[00:32:56]  I have the latest there, and that's probably a whitewash number.
[00:33:00]  But still, this is a bunch of hype, because the regular flu strains every year kill millions of people worldwide, conservatively hundreds of thousands, and over 15,000 a year in the U.S., even more in Mexico.
[00:33:12]  But when we see all this massive media hype, we have to question...
[00:33:15]  This is an important element of the presentation to zoom in on real close.
[00:33:20]  That's infuriating.
[00:33:21]  Alex doesn't want his audience to actually be super afraid of the H1N1 flu, in the same way he doesn't actually want the audience to be afraid of COVID now, nor did he at the beginning.
[00:33:30]  He wants to build up a sense of fear, foster distrust in mainline sources, and then transmute that fear that he's established into being fear of something else that he wants them to be afraid of, possibly something that profits him or pushes his extremist agenda.
[00:33:45]  Right.
[00:33:46]  Generally.
[00:33:46]  Usually.
[00:33:47]  And you can see that here clearly.
[00:33:48]  You should be afraid because these people are clearly building a virus in a lab that's a bioweapon.
[00:33:53]  It's killing people at a rate the globalists are covering up, but also it's all hype because normal flus kill people, a bunch of people every year.
[00:33:59]  That's really kind of an insane thing.
[00:34:01]  If you stop and think about it.
[00:34:02]  It's jarring.
[00:34:03]  What he's implying, and then the...
[00:34:05]  Just like, but hey, don't worry about it.
[00:34:07]  It's not as bad as a real flu.
[00:34:08]  The first part of this would lead you to think that you should be very afraid of the fact that the villains are creating a bioweapon and for some reason they're covering up how many people have died from it, which heavily implies that the virus is something to be deeply concerned about.
[00:34:20]  But then the second part deflates that and sends the message that this is no more scary than any flu every year.
[00:34:26]  This is confusing if you don't pay attention, because it's inherently nonsensical.
[00:34:31]  If it's all hype and no different than every flu, why does this coverage exist?
[00:34:36]  If the numbers are no different than they are every year, why would the globalists put out decreased death numbers?
[00:34:41]  What sense does that make?
[00:34:43]  If it's the same as every year, why would the globalists need to cover up the flu's existence for a few months, as Alex is implying?
[00:34:50]  Alex wouldn't have gone through all the effort of laying that track if it weren't for the purposes of shifting the fears.
[00:34:55]  Right.
[00:34:57]  Which is, I mean, insane.
[00:35:03]  Like, okay, so you're telling me that the flu is not man-made.
[00:35:07]  And is just a natural disaster, part of the natural order of things.
[00:35:11]  I assume he probably would rather not talk about that.
[00:35:13]  Well, I'm sure he wouldn't do that.
[00:35:14]  Might get confusing.
[00:35:15]  That's fair.
[00:35:16]  But, like, okay, I'm scared of a tsunami tearing the entire East Coast apart.
[00:35:22]  Like, that's horrific.
[00:35:23]  But what is tsunami but rain?
[00:35:25]  Right.
[00:35:26]  But my comparison there is, though, like, yes, that's terrifying, but nobody's directing that.
[00:35:33]  It is even more of a crisis that needs to be reacted to if just one dude dropped a bomb that gave a tsunami on the coast of Georgia.
[00:35:43]  That's not as bad as the fucking God level strike of the entire East Coast, but that's a guy doing it.
[00:35:50]  That's an emergency!
[00:35:53]  Right.
[00:35:53]  Do you know what I mean?
[00:35:54]  Who knows what he's up to?
[00:35:56]  Yeah, exactly!
[00:35:57]  You can't be saying like, hey, don't worry about it.
[00:35:58]  The government created a bioweapon and killed a bunch of people in Mexico, but that's no big deal.
[00:36:02]  It's not as bad as the flu.
[00:36:03]  Like, no, no, we gotta deal with that now!
[00:36:05]  We do, but Alex wants to deal with it in the way that he wants to deal with it.
[00:36:10]  And I think you can already kind of get a sense based on...
[00:36:13]  I don't know everything we've gone through the way that this is going to go.
[00:36:16]  This is going to be shifted into fears of lockdowns, fears of vaccinations being forced on you.
[00:36:23]  Right, exactly.
[00:36:24]  You build up the fear the way he has so far, and then deflate the fear of the actual condition, and use that fear that you've built to build your own gingerbread house of fear that looks like a FEMA camp.
[00:36:36]  This is really, really scary.
[00:36:37]  Now, calm down.
[00:36:38]  This is not what you should be afraid of.
[00:36:40]  You should be more afraid of this.
[00:36:41]  But this is what you should be afraid of!
[00:36:42]  Don't calm down.
[00:36:43]  Keep those feelings.
[00:36:44]  Keep that crazy angry.
[00:36:45]  Move this way.
[00:36:46]  Hey, get over here.
[00:36:47]  So, Jason Bermas comes in.
[00:36:49]  He shows up.
[00:36:50]  Time.
[00:36:50]  And he's got some thoughts.
[00:36:51]  You know, I checked my emails last night.
[00:36:54]  Apparently, Baxter is going to be the one in charge of immunizing for this?
[00:36:58]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:36:59]  Go ahead and tell folks about it.
[00:37:00]  Well, I mean, if you don't know who Baxter is, only two months ago, in mid-February, actually, it was late February that Bloomberg reported on it, they sent out...
[00:37:09]  To 14 separate countries, this batch of anti-bird flu vaccine that contained two different strains of bird flu and then a third strain of flu.
[00:37:22]  And this is just incredible to me that we would allow Baxter to be the people in charge of inoculating and quote-unquote immunizing the populace.
[00:37:34]  This just isn't true.
[00:37:35]  According to a write-up from WebMD in 2009, 46% of the vaccines manufactured for the United States were made by Novartis, 26% were from Sanofi Pasteur, 19% from CSL, 6% from MedImmune, and 3% from GlaxoSmithKline.
[00:37:51]  And none of these are Baxter's secret name.
[00:37:54]  Baxter talked a big game, but they ended up getting beaten out by other suppliers that came to the market.
[00:37:59]  That being said, in October 2009, after Baxter had won part of a contract to supply H1N1 vaccines to the United Kingdom, it came out that they had been forced to pay back millions to state governments for overcharging them for products in the past and committing Medicare fraud.
[00:38:14]  Well, I mean, hey now, who among us has not tried to commit some sort of Medicare fraud on a large scale?
[00:38:22]  I haven't.
[00:38:23]  Uh-oh, fair.
[00:38:24]  Additionally, Baxter did have a mix-up at a lab that they run in Austria, being a little exaggerated by Burmus, but that did actually happen, where live avian flu had contaminated some experimental samples that they'd sent to a couple other labs.
[00:38:36]  It was a bad mix-up and could have had some seriously bad consequences, but ultimately it just ended up killing a few ferrets, which is still sad.
[00:38:43]  Right.
[00:38:44]  But investigations into it found no harm, like no...
[00:38:47]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:49]  Foul play.
[00:38:50]  No foul play.
[00:38:51]  No ferret play.
[00:38:52]  There wasn't ferret play.
[00:38:53]  There wasn't a little ferret play.
[00:38:54]  There's a specific goal that's being pursued by coverage like this that Burmes is doing as well.
[00:38:59]  The point of this is to establish the groundwork that there's something suspicious about the plans to develop a vaccine for this new flu virus.
[00:39:06]  There must be a reason that the globalists are having all of our vaccines made by this one specific company that recently bungled a shipment of experimental samples.
[00:39:13]  They must want to have these vaccines that they put into us contaminated too.
[00:39:18]  Introducing these sorts of narratives is the first step of the essential pivot that needs to happen, where the fear that's being built about the virus is transformed into fear about the vaccines.
[00:39:28]  It's pretty remarkable how this is almost just muscle memory for them.
[00:39:32]  It's second nature to be able to build up and move.
[00:39:36]  Yeah, I mean, the thing about ways to combat bullshit...
[00:39:43]  Is that they have to constantly evolve.
[00:39:45]  And the thing about bullshit is that it stayed exactly the same for my entire fucking life.
[00:39:51]  And it just comes up in different spots.
[00:39:53]  Like whack-a-mole, you know?
[00:39:54]  Yeah, and I think actually we're going to get to a pretty salient example of that.
[00:39:59]  Don't do this.
[00:39:59]  In a little bit.
[00:40:01]  So, here's another piece that gets brought up that I think you'll see heavy overlap with the present.
[00:40:09]  This swine flu that's now all over the media.
[00:40:11]  I mean, people are hyped up.
[00:40:12]  I didn't see where I was because I wasn't in the city.
[00:40:15]  But you can bet within the next week, if this stays in the news, that people will be wearing the masks.
[00:40:19]  They will be wearing bandanas.
[00:40:20]  Well, it was already in the Associated Press this morning.
[00:40:27]  That the federal government came out and said, yeah, people need to go ahead and start wearing masks in affected areas inside the United States.
[00:40:34]  So either the government is viciously hyping this to get people to take more vaccines and to take the, quote, antivirals.
[00:40:42]  Tamiflu's been mentioned after Tamiflu mentioned.
[00:40:44]  No, no, that's what, it's record stock prices right now tied into Rumsfeld and the Bushes.
[00:40:50]  Even the current president, Barack Obama, is profiting from that.
[00:40:55]  So you can see here this almost identical language to the president.
[00:40:59]  Masks are just fear, hysteria, and it's all in service of trying to force vaccines on you.
[00:41:04]  For what it's worth, Alex never got to the second option after Burmese interrupted him, so I have no idea what it was going to be when he's brought up Tamiflu.
[00:41:11]  I have no idea.
[00:41:12]  So that said, Tamiflu is not a publicly traded entity.
[00:41:15]  It's a product that's produced by Gilead Sciences.
[00:41:18]  The reality, too, is that Alex is wrong.
[00:41:21]  Gilead was not seeing record stock prices in April 2009.
[00:41:25]  Their peak was on August 4th, 2008, coming in at about $28.50 a share.
[00:41:31]  The day this episode is recorded, their shares hit a high of $24.11.
[00:41:36]  Their numbers would start going up eventually, but it wouldn't be until late 2011, and a large part of that was likely due to enthusiasm surrounding some acquisitions that they'd made, buying up a ton of pharma companies like CV Therapeutics, Sure.
[00:42:02]  Sure.
[00:42:08]  That fund has holdings in a bunch of other companies, and Gilead is number 10 on their list of most held things.
[00:42:14]  So, in a very indirect way, you can claim that Obama profits from Gilead, but what Alex is claiming is a bit of a stretch.
[00:42:21]  If Alex just wants to go all the way and say that public officials can't own stock, I'll join him in that.
[00:42:25]  But otherwise, this is all just blustery nonsense.
[00:42:28]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:42:28]  I'm for the no public officials owning stock.
[00:42:30]  I feel like that seems just too obvious.
[00:42:34]  Too obvious.
[00:42:35]  I think in an ideal world, everybody should be able to...
[00:42:37]  We don't live even close to there.
[00:42:41]  But what you see here is another standard feature of Alex's public health coverage.
[00:42:45]  There needs to be an insistence that Alex's political enemies are painted as corrupt with their motives chalked up to their financial stake in these pharmaceutical companies.

=== Scenario 1996: Air Force Grift (15:50) ===

[00:42:56]  We saw this exact same song and dance play out in the COVID pandemic and there are a few slight differences though.
[00:43:02]  Trump was in office so it wasn't going to fly to start tossing around ideas about his finances.
[00:43:06]  So Alex went the safer route and just insisted Bill Gates had the patent on not only the vaccine, but also the virus itself.
[00:43:13]  While he might have had some interest in pharmaceutical companies, or he does through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Gates doesn't himself have a patent on the vaccine.
[00:43:21]  In fact, last May, he came out as in favor of dropping the patent protection on the vaccines in order to allow greater access for them in developing countries, although probably too late on that.
[00:43:34]  Come to that conclusion a little earlier.
[00:43:36]  Alex would later add Fauci to the list of owners of the patent who were making money off the vaccine, but to be fair to him, he didn't know who Fauci was at the beginning for a while, so he couldn't accuse him of that.
[00:43:46]  Right.
[00:43:46]  I think what is ridiculous about this now, especially on its face, after having lived through all of this, we can put this type of conspiracy to bed.
[00:43:56]  There's only one way to evilly profit off of...
[00:44:02]  Pharmaceuticals, and that's just plainly taking insulin and charging $1,000 for it.
[00:44:07]  You know, like, we see the grift.
[00:44:09]  The grift is there.
[00:44:11]  It's tough to...
[00:44:11]  It's just wide open.
[00:44:12]  It's tough to conceive of who's doing something more...
[00:44:16]  Yeah!
[00:44:17]  Like, the grift...
[00:44:19]  We see the grift.
[00:44:20]  The evil grift is in our faces and on our bills.
[00:44:24]  Yeah.
[00:44:25]  This is...
[00:44:26]  No, but the real problem is that Obama has some money in this...
[00:44:32]  But then again, Obama was in favor of health, and Michelle was really into diet stuff.
[00:44:41]  She made it a deal.
[00:44:42]  And I should tell you that this Vanguard index fund also holds a lot of stock in McDonald's.
[00:44:47]  Ooh, those bastards!
[00:44:48]  So some of this doesn't quite make sense.
[00:44:50]  No, that doesn't make sense.
[00:44:51]  Anyway, the point here is that all leaders who advise caution or public health measures, they're only doing so because they want to create fear hysteria in order to corral you.
[00:44:59]  into getting this vaccine because then they profit from it.
[00:45:02]  This story plays out over and over again because it's a myth cycle.
[00:45:06]  It's not actually analysis of the news.
[00:45:08]  This is basically Alex's version of Joseph Campbell.
[00:45:12]  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
[00:45:14]  It doesn't make any sense because what you would do is you would want to get the population to all have some sort of version of diabetes.
[00:45:23]  So if you wanted to invest in a pharmaceutical company and then create a conspiracy that would make you a ton of money, then you would do that and then you would try and flood the market of the United States with some sort of high sugar content.
[00:45:35]  And then what you really want to do is get kids.
[00:45:38]  To really be into it.
[00:45:39]  So you'd have cartoon characters and all of these people.
[00:45:43]  They would advertise it for you.
[00:45:45]  And then they would push that out there.
[00:45:46]  And then so many people would get it.
[00:45:48]  And it would just become part of their daily lives.
[00:45:50]  I'm sorry.
[00:45:51]  I think you could even take a step back and look at it from the perspective.
[00:45:55]  If the financial motivations really were guiding some of this stuff, there would be no reason to actually vaccinate people.
[00:46:02]  Once the companies got these contracts to produce the vaccinations.
[00:46:06]  Right.
[00:46:07]  That's good enough.
[00:46:08]  You've got the money.
[00:46:09]  You've made the money.
[00:46:10]  Yeah, go away.
[00:46:11]  What, are you going to worry about the next one?
[00:46:12]  Everybody will be dead by then.
[00:46:13]  Yeah, there's just a lot of balls that need to be juggled here.
[00:46:18]  So speaking of balls that need to be juggled, Alex has a lot of irons in the fire, and I'm mixing metaphors, and there's a reason for that.
[00:46:25]  You know, I was kind of piling up my stack of news before you came in because I'm going to be on Coast to Coast AM for several hours tonight.
[00:46:31]  Oh, wow.
[00:46:32]  Yeah, and I got up at 6.45 this morning.
[00:46:35]  Wish I'd have slept in.
[00:46:36]  I did four and a half hours today when we went into overdrive, so I'm going to get out of here.
[00:46:41]  But one of the biggest stories that I'm going to look for while we play this clip, I had it here and then I can't find it.
[00:46:46]  It was up on Infowars.com back in early March.
[00:46:50]  Kurt Nimmo wrote a story when it came out in government documents.
[00:46:54]  That...
[00:46:55]  The government had predicted a deadly pandemic flu to kill 30 million people in 2009 in 1996.
[00:47:04]  Whoa.
[00:47:04]  So we're talking 15 years ago.
[00:47:07]  That's smoking gun stuff right there.
[00:47:09]  They were already planning this.
[00:47:12]  Operation Lockstep.
[00:47:13]  They were planning it, man.
[00:47:14]  So that clip is amazing because in it you see two of the major elements that Alex needs to make this whole pageant a success.
[00:47:20]  The first is to have a platform that's larger than his and presumably more mainstream that'll allow him to come on and present himself as an expert to the suggestible audience.
[00:47:28]  In the present day, that's Joe Rogan's job.
[00:47:31]  But in 2009, Rogan wasn't a gigantically popular podcaster, so he wasn't useful for Alex in that way.
[00:47:37]  George Norrie will do in a pinch.
[00:47:39]  We'll get to that in a minute.
[00:47:40]  But first, I want to get into that second aspect.
[00:47:43]  The almost-too-perfect document that Alex has found.
[00:47:46]  In order for this whole charade to go off right, and for Alex to be able to control where the audience directs their fear, there needs to be some kind of document that can be used to illustrate that the globalists have been planning this all along, which means that Alex is right, and that means you gotta listen to him.
[00:47:59]  In our current performance of this play, there have been actually a ton of documents that have fit this role, with Alex and his menagerie of weirdos cherry-picking things to suit their purposes and prove definitely that this pandemic is a false flag.
[00:48:11]  There is a tranche of made-up documents.
[00:48:13]  There is a raft of tranches.
[00:48:16]  I would say that, based on my experience, the lockstep document is the one that Alex seems to present as the most concrete and most persuasive, so I'm going to give it that title for the present-day pandemic.
[00:48:26]  And here in 2009, we happen to have a...
[00:48:31]  I'll tell you that tracking this one down was really hard, because Alex gives almost no details on it other than it was on his website, possibly in March, and apparently written by Kurt Nimmo.
[00:48:41]  If you try to search keywords like 30 million dead, prediction, 2009, 1996, something, you don't come up with anything.
[00:48:49]  But thanks to the Wayback Machine, I was able to go through all of the headlines published on Infowars in March 2009, and I hit pay dirt.
[00:48:57]  This Curt Nemo article is headlined, quote, U.S. Air Force study proposed 2009 influenza pandemic in 1996.
[00:49:03]  The underlying document is a thought experiment from the Air University titled Air Force 2025 that's described as, quote, a study to identify the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the first quarter of the 21st century.
[00:49:21]  This document is literally the exact same thing as the lockstep document, and Alex is using the exact same intentional misunderstanding in order to present it as some kind of a nefarious plan.
[00:49:31]  This was an exercise to brainstorm what the Air Force would need to do to continue effectively into the future, and in order to carry out that exercise, the research participants created six different alternative future scenarios to explore possible challenges in.
[00:49:45]  They use three variables, American worldview, tech, and the world power grid.
[00:49:51]  Each of these had two values possible.
[00:49:53]  American worldview could either be global or domestic, tech could either be constrained or exponential, and the power grid could be concentrated or dispersed.
[00:50:01]  So, for instance, if you want to explore a world where the American worldview is global, tech is constrained, and the power grid is dispersed, you'd be looking at their scenario titled Gulliver's Travails.
[00:50:12]  There are five other scenarios, but for our purposes, we don't need to go through all of them in minute detail.
[00:50:17]  Sure.
[00:50:17]  Each of the scenarios includes a section titled Plausible History, which is an inexercise description of how the world got to the point it is in their imagined version of 2025.
[00:50:27]  These are imagined, made-up things.
[00:50:30]  And if you want to go, you can cherry-pick whatever you want out of it.
[00:50:33]  For instance, in this Gulliver's Travail scenario, China broke up into 15 new territories in 2006.
[00:50:39]  And apparently, this year, 2022, it's just titled Africa Wars.
[00:50:44]  Oh, no!
[00:50:45]  No idea what that means.
[00:50:46]  We're fucked!
[00:50:47]  Yeah.
[00:50:47]  So, look, the scenario Kurt Nimmo has decided to focus on is one called Digital Cacophony.
[00:50:52]  This is one where it has a global American worldview, exponential tech, and a dispersed power grid.
[00:50:58]  In this scenario's plausible history, there's an influenza that kills 30 million people in 2009, but there's other things in here that should be red flags for anybody thinking this is reflective of planning.
[00:51:08]  For instance, in this plausible history, we're supposed to have reached a state of abundant food due to genetics in 2002.
[00:51:14]  Oh, also the UN dissolved in 2010.
[00:51:17]  Oh, that was nice of them.
[00:51:18]  It's also going to be tough because in 2015, at least 48 countries have weapons of mass destruction.
[00:51:23]  Also, in 2020, by that point, we have a ton of space settlements.
[00:51:28]  Oh, that's nice!
[00:51:29]  That's nice!
[00:51:31]  Why didn't we go with that one?
[00:51:33]  Yeah, the flu part is part and parcel of all this.
[00:51:36]  If you read the report, the flu outbreak is included in this scenario as a reminder that, though this is a possible future that's dominated by technological advancement, quote, technology could not solve some old problems.
[00:51:48]  Sort of poetic.
[00:51:49]  All right, so I figured out how to defeat Alex's game here, all right?
[00:51:53]  No one can think about the future ever.
[00:51:56]  Never engage it.
[00:51:57]  Not once.
[00:51:58]  Don't you dare.
[00:51:59]  No thought experiments?
[00:52:00]  Don't think about abstractions.
[00:52:02]  Absolutely not.
[00:52:02]  At all.
[00:52:03]  Don't take historical things and then put them in a possible future.
[00:52:07]  That's just you saying that the future is going to happen.
[00:52:09]  Do you have a calendar?
[00:52:11]  Burn it.
[00:52:11]  Burn it.
[00:52:12]  Yes.
[00:52:13]  Every calendar that has more months than the day that you're on.
[00:52:16]  Burn it.
[00:52:16]  If anybody asks you what you're going to do tomorrow, punch him.
[00:52:19]  Fuck him.
[00:52:19]  Yeah.
[00:52:20]  So Nimmo's article is really interesting, too, because he's trying to use this document to build a conspiracy about the Baxter flu lab mix-up that had happened previously.
[00:52:30]  Interesting.
[00:52:30]  Quote, is it merely a coincidence the Pentagon would propose in 1996 a deadly flu pandemic for 2009 when live H5N1 avian flu viruses are discovered in vaccines produced by Baxter International plants in Austria?
[00:52:44]  He goes on to cite Paul Joseph Watson, quote, the fact that Baxter mixed its deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is a smoking gun, writes Paul Joseph Watson.
[00:52:56]  The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it's less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread.
[00:53:03]  However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which, as everyone knows, are super airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent super airborne, super deadly biological weapon of the sort proposed in Air Force 2025.
[00:53:16]  That's a lot of supers.
[00:53:17]  Yeah.
[00:53:18]  Very suspiciously, those last words, quote, of the sort proposed in Air Force 2025, those aren't part of the quote from Paul.
[00:53:26]  That was Nimmo adding a little editorial and completely fabricating the idea that this document proposes a biological weapon.
[00:53:32]  Sure.
[00:53:32]  It's nonsense.
[00:53:33]  Yeah, why not?
[00:53:34]  In the scenario, they say that no one ever figured out if it was a naturally occurring flu or it was bioengineered, but that makes sense in the scenario's parameters.
[00:53:43]  It's a world with boundless dispersed technology and power where one of the main hallmarks of the challenges that they have is that there's an increasing number of states and non-state actors that have weapons of mass destruction.
[00:53:54]  Leaving the genesis of this flu outbreak ambiguous creates flavor in the picture that they're painting for the scenario exercise.
[00:54:02]  Anyway, Kurt Nimmo sucks, and even he had no clue that this would be able to be repurposed when that whole Baxter narrative didn't really go anywhere.
[00:54:09]  And so now Alex is digging back, taking this, and saying that, oh no, it proves this one.
[00:54:14]  And that's the same article that Paul Joseph Watson opened with some are saying.
[00:54:20]  Like, he was very circumspect about...
[00:54:23]  Not being like, this is true.
[00:54:25]  I mean, these are different articles, but they're both Paul.
[00:54:28]  Right, right, right.
[00:54:30]  Interesting.
[00:54:31]  Paul's kind of a shithead, too.
[00:54:32]  Yeah, he's a little bit of an asshole.
[00:54:33]  As is the exact same situation with the present-day use of the Rockefeller lockstep document, this is a useful tool for people in the Air Force educational program to explore what challenges the military may face if certain variables of social organization go different ways.
[00:54:47]  Mm-hmm.
[00:54:51]  as predictive of this 2009 flu as it is of the UN dissolving in 2010.
[00:54:56]  It's not an accident that Alex's coverage of both the H1N1 flu outbreak and the present pandemic include a completely misrepresented document that he uses to prove foreknowledge on the part of his enemies.
[00:55:07]  It's because he's a liar with a pattern and he needs props.
[00:55:11]  He's the carrot top of life.
[00:55:12]  I mean, it's at the point now where you're like, do they have a flowchart somewhere?
[00:55:18]  You know, like for a pandemic, they've got, oh, break out the flowchart that has start here and then just keep going down the cascade of bullshit.
[00:55:25]  I don't think they could possibly be that organized.
[00:55:28]  No.
[00:55:28]  But I think it's just, you know, like these are the elements.
[00:55:31]  It's just a way to do it.
[00:55:32]  We gotta pull from.
[00:55:33]  Yeah, it's just a way to do it.
[00:55:34]  So now let's loop back to this coast-to-coast thing.
[00:55:37]  I'm not gonna make us sit here and listen to it all bit by bit.
[00:55:40]  But I could not help myself, so I created a supercut of some of the high points of the episode.
[00:55:46]  Alex is on with giant theorist and regular Jim Baker guest Steve Quayle, who would like to introduce the sex robot.
[00:55:53]  Sure.
[00:55:54]  And he's one of the other shitty InfoWars Steves.
[00:55:57]  So this is like six and a half minutes long or so, but this is the only way I could boil down the experience of listening to this whole episode.
[00:56:06]  While in our continuing special report on the swine flu, To scare up next, Stephen Quayle joins us along with Alex Jones right here on Coast to Coast AM.
[00:56:16]  We can paint a picture that is so far removed from conspiracy to be in your face just by public documents.
[00:56:24]  For instance, in 1996, Air Force put out a document claiming that by 2009...
[00:56:30]  30 million people would be dead from influenza.
[00:56:33]  How do they know that?
[00:56:34]  Isn't that interesting?
[00:56:35]  We just heard from Steve and Alex, who believes that this was concocted in a laboratory and released on us.
[00:56:41]  Your take?
[00:56:42]  Well, my problem is I'm sitting here with about 150-plus documents and reports, including the one we broke just a month and a half ago at Infowars.com, about that Air Force perspective saying that they thought there would be a massive flu outbreak.
[00:56:59]  back in 1996, in 2009, so I just have information overload here, but I want people to listen to me very, very carefully because this is so important.
[00:57:10]  This is clearly a designer virus.
[00:57:14]  This has clearly been man-made.
[00:57:17]  Even CNN had a retired top general on today involved in researching bioweapons, saying we need to look at this being made in a laboratory.
[00:57:29]  A month ago, and just like I predicted 9-11, because I just understand these people, and I don't just throw predictions out here, predictions out there.
[00:57:35]  I'm not bragging.
[00:57:36]  I can't sleep.
[00:57:37]  All I do is study this.
[00:57:38]  I said, they've got a bunch of cards in their hands, the globalists above our government, the Illuminati, the New World Order, the social engineers, and they need a crisis or they won't get their world government through, which they're openly announcing, new bank of the world we pay our carbon taxes to.
[00:57:50]  They've got to make us love them as their saviors.
[00:57:53]  And I said out of a stage nuke, out of attacking Iran, out of attacking Pakistan, out of all these things they can do, I believe...
[00:58:01]  I believe the next card they're going to play is at least a massive bird flu scare.
[00:58:06]  And I talked to Steve last Monday, and he on record said that too.
[00:58:11]  A lot of people are thinking along the same lines.
[00:58:14]  Take a breath.
[00:58:15]  When stories like that happen, the media jumps on it.
[00:58:19]  This is a hot news story that we've been talking about for three or four years.

=== Prophetic Three-Year Warning (04:58) ===

[00:58:25]  Easy.
[00:58:26]  All of us.
[00:58:27]  And they're just now starting to pick up.
[00:58:30]  They don't know how to handle it because they haven't investigated what you...
[00:58:34]  Stephen, have investigated for years.
[00:58:37]  You guys are so far ahead of the curve.
[00:58:40]  Can everybody that's listening to this broadcast worldwide even imagine the fact of the fury that's going to be exhibited throughout the nations of the world?
[00:58:50]  When they find out that this was a genetically altered biological weapon that was intentionally released.
[00:58:57]  Now, those are my words.
[00:58:58]  Is there anybody honest enough to say those things?
[00:59:01]  And I'm not talking about you and Alex, but a scientist.
[00:59:04]  Look, don't just...
[00:59:05]  Alex and I always tell people, go and look at the research that we spend blurry-eyed hours in the midnight or early morning to research this stuff.
[00:59:14]  They either know this is super bad and are covering it up.
[00:59:18]  They either released it and know it's super bad and are covering it up and are using this as a martial law takeover smokescreen, or they know it's not really bad and they're just hyping it because governments everywhere, including Mexico on the verge of collapse, need this as a unifier.
[00:59:32]  And most sociologists looking at this, and many Mexicans I'm speaking to in Mexico, believe the government is hyping it and using it and may have even released it to stop revolution and get people's minds off of all the government.
[00:59:43]  This is world depopulation.
[00:59:46]  That's why, why now?
[00:59:48]  I mean, wasn't there an episode in 24 where the president shook the hands of somebody and got gook all over him and then, you know, he came down with a disease?
[00:59:57]  I mean, all of this is just too bizarre.
[01:00:01]  Well, I said this was made in a lab, but something very serious went wrong.
[01:00:05]  Reuters reported yesterday that Janet Napolitano, the head of Homeland Security, said that, well, this...
[01:00:16]  This flu may not be a pandemic, it may go away in a few weeks, but then another deadly one is coming soon.
[01:00:23]  And she smiled.
[01:00:24]  Ah, a psychic, is she?
[01:00:26]  I believe that we are in a total war mode right now, both in the natural and supernatural realm.
[01:00:31]  I believe the poor horse from the apocalypse, to use prophetic symbolism and imagery, couldn't be more exact.
[01:00:38]  I believe that you're seeing the complete plan being implemented by the powers that are.
[01:00:48]  I said on this program that SARS would not be a pandemic, that the avian flu would not be a pandemic, qualifying it every time, every time by saying, unless they concoct it in a laboratory.
[01:01:03]  Yeah, George, I want to agree with you.
[01:01:04]  I'm on record.
[01:01:06]  I mean, on my Alex Jones channel on YouTube, there's a video up there I did three years ago saying the bird flu is hype, but it's hype.
[01:01:16]  You know, it's interesting, George, because no one who speaks a prophetic word at the time it's given is ever received at the time it's given, and only people look back at it and say, gee, that guy knew what was going on.
[01:01:32]  Well, all I know is Mexico's on the edge of collapse, and now this can push it over the edge.
[01:01:35]  All right, so who benefits if Mexico collapses?
[01:01:38]  The globalists.
[01:01:39]  If the deaths are mainly centered in Mexico City, there are studies showing that the toxic waste And the heavy metals can weaken people, and that may be why we're seeing so many deaths there.
[01:01:53]  But if the evidence continues to confirm that they're dying in these nice little clean towns on the Pacific and on the Gulf of Mexico and on the Caribbean, and we're getting these reports, if that is happening, then this is race-specific, tailored for...
[01:02:14]  For those that don't know, over the Bering Strait about 20,000 years ago, Asians came across the bloodline.
[01:02:20]  You know, they have the Mongolian spots on their backs when they're babies.
[01:02:24]  The people who are, quote, Mexican are really predominantly Asian with a mixture of Spanish bloodlines.
[01:02:32]  And so this is a very specific bioweapon for Asians.
[01:02:40]  I was wondering if that had anything to do with possibly the disclosure of extraterrestrials and possibly a connection with how they would, I guess, throw them out there without creating panic that maybe they have a cure.
[01:02:52]  I would say in this case, that has nothing to do with this one.
[01:02:56]  Oh, congrats.
[01:02:56]  That's great.
[01:02:57]  Congrats, George.
[01:02:58]  That's really nice.
[01:02:58]  Yeah, so I mean, George Norrie's an active participant in this bullshit.
[01:03:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:03:02]  He sucks.
[01:03:04]  But, like, you see a couple things, like, the nonsense aside, a couple of other added elements are the knee-jerk insinuation this is a race-specific bioevent.

=== Willing To Be Interested (03:11) ===

[01:03:14]  Oh, always.
[01:03:14]  You saw that exactly at the beginning of the COVID stuff.
[01:03:18]  It's a very standard feature of Alex's coverage.
[01:03:22]  And also the other thing, too, is the notion that this is meant to stop a revolution that's happening in Mexico.
[01:03:28]  Stop this awakening against the globalist tyranny.
[01:03:31]  That's exactly what he was saying about in China.
[01:03:34]  There were people who were rising up against the CCP.
[01:03:38]  Yep.
[01:03:39]  And it's got to be...
[01:03:41]  Crush political dissent in Hong Kong.
[01:03:44]  That's so fucking sad.
[01:03:45]  It makes me so sad.
[01:03:47]  I think you would be very sad mostly anytime you listen to Costa Rica.
[01:03:51]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:03:52]  That's true.
[01:03:52]  Sometimes it's fun, but most of the time it's not.
[01:03:56]  Here's what I'm saying, okay?
[01:03:57]  We don't need laws restricting speech.
[01:04:02]  We need a Bureau of Enforcement of Predictions.
[01:04:06]  Oh, that'd be nice.
[01:04:07]  So if you go on the radio and say some shit, that's fine.
[01:04:11]  You can say whatever you want on the radio, but somewhere it goes on the board, and there's a date.
[01:04:17]  It's like contact tracing for bullshit.
[01:04:19]  You have to follow up on each prediction, and then you have to come out and admit you learned something.
[01:04:25]  So if you're Alex on this shit, in 2010 or whatever, somebody comes into your office, Guess what?
[01:04:32]  It turns out you're full of shit.
[01:04:33]  You have to go on TV and apologize and say, I learned my lesson.
[01:04:38]  And if you refuse to do that, you lose your prediction license.
[01:04:40]  There you go!
[01:04:41]  That's what I'm saying!
[01:04:42]  I'm saying it just needs to be regulated.
[01:04:44]  We need regulated bullshit.
[01:04:45]  We don't need outlawed bullshit.
[01:04:47]  Sure.
[01:04:47]  Yeah.
[01:04:48]  So, larger picture, though.
[01:04:49]  I mean, I support your bill that you're proposing.
[01:04:53]  I'm running for Congress.
[01:04:55]  But, like, we should all be so lucky, as Alex, to have friends throughout all these points in our careers with wide audiences that are willing to engage with our bullshit.
[01:05:05]  Hey, come on!
[01:05:06]  And, like, you see the narratives that he's pushing on the show with Jason, and he's just shined them up a tiny bit, made them a little bit harder to track down exactly what he's talking about, and he's disseminating them to George's audience.
[01:05:21]  And George is a very willing, active participant in it, in the same way that Rogan is.
[01:05:25]  Yep.
[01:05:26]  Through negligence or actually being interested in...
[01:05:30]  And it's...
[01:05:33]  Alex couldn't exist without that.
[01:05:35]  Yeah, no.
[01:05:35]  He wouldn't be able to attract people to his bullshit.
[01:05:39]  It's the dum-dum who's willing to say, oh, that's interesting, say more about that, or, huh, you know, that's all you have to do, that's what they need.
[01:05:47]  Honestly, they never say say more about that.
[01:05:50]  No, no, no, no.
[01:05:51]  They never get to any deeper.
[01:05:52]  I just mean, like, I'm interested in your topic.
[01:05:55]  Keep spewing bullshit, you've interested me.
[01:05:57]  Yeah, you're fascinating.
[01:05:59]  Lie to me more.
[01:05:59]  Exactly, yes, that's what I mean.
[01:06:01]  So, Alex left Burmus because he had to take a nap or whatever in order to get ready to go on Coast to Coast.

=== Flu Outbreak and Global Governance (05:44) ===

[01:06:08]  Irreconcilable differences.
[01:06:09]  And so now we've gone to Coast to Coast.
[01:06:10]  And we're going to jump back in.
[01:06:12]  On Saturday, May 2nd, Alex put out an emergency show.
[01:06:17]  All right.
[01:06:17]  Hour-long special, an emergency.
[01:06:21]  Most important thing he's ever done, obviously.
[01:06:22]  About the swine flu.
[01:06:24]  Let me just read through the bullet points I've written here, then I'll go through the news that backs it all up.
[01:06:28]  A huge mind control exercise, a literal war on freedom and liberty worldwide is taking place.
[01:06:36]  And you can just Google, UN says swine flu outbreak good for globalism.
[01:06:43]  Or globalists say...
[01:06:46]  Flu outbreak good for world government, and you will see them in the news bragging that this is helping them set up a world government.
[01:06:52]  They need a crisis to offer their solution.
[01:06:55]  Exactly the same.
[01:06:56]  There we go.
[01:06:57]  Exactly the same.
[01:06:57]  There it is.
[01:06:58]  As how we deal with this in the present.
[01:07:02]  So Alex is a particular villain at this point, and it's the director of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano.
[01:07:09]  They love it.
[01:07:11]  They're also admitting themselves as...
[01:07:14]  Janet Napolitano said last Sunday, now six, seven days ago, that, oh, this flu will probably fade out, but another big pandemic will come, will happen.
[01:07:23]  It's a foregone conclusion.
[01:07:25]  So let's not forget about that.
[01:07:29]  And they're saying that this flu will probably mutate right around the fall when flu season begins.
[01:07:35]  We better all go roll up our sleeves and get the shot they're going to have right on time.
[01:07:39]  They're talking about...
[01:07:41]  The federal government paying for 600 million doses for the 300 million Americans.
[01:07:46]  Do you know how much profit that is when they're talking about the drug company that's chosen to make the vaccine get as much as $20 per shot?
[01:07:57]  What's 20 times 600 million?
[01:08:01]  So you can see here a direct mirror of much of Alex's rhetoric from COVID times.
[01:08:05]  In the current day, it was Bill Gates saying that there would be future diseases that Alex deemed to be suspicious.
[01:08:10]  But in the past, it was Janet Napolitano.
[01:08:12]  And of course, it's a fear-based exercise in order to get everyone to take vaccines, possibly just motivated by getting $20 per shot for large batches.
[01:08:22]  Wow.
[01:08:22]  Yeah.
[01:08:23]  $12 billion, Dan.
[01:08:25]  That's a lot of money.
[01:08:26]  It is.
[01:08:27]  Especially to...
[01:08:29]  Trillion dollar companies.
[01:08:30]  Sure.
[01:08:31]  Certainly worth destroying the world.
[01:08:32]  Yeah, definitely worthy of killing millions of people for.
[01:08:35]  Yep.
[01:08:35]  Absolutely.
[01:08:36]  So, look, dude, this is staged man.
[01:08:40]  Understand, the reason this is a danger is, this is a beta test.
[01:08:43]  As the economy continues to collapse, we can, and I'd already predicted this months ago, their model for control will be staged bioattacks.
[01:08:52]  So you had to stage bioattack in order to retain control as the economy collapses.
[01:08:58]  This is so consistent.
[01:09:01]  Love it!
[01:09:02]  And he just keeps hitting the exact same points.
[01:09:06]  This is clearly a designer virus.
[01:09:07]  We've got to watch this.
[01:09:08]  This is serious because they may move on us right now with martial law.
[01:09:12]  And these globalists are eugenicists who've done all this chemical, biological, radiological testing on us in the past.
[01:09:18]  We need to take what they're saying serious.
[01:09:20]  But we believe it's a hoax.
[01:09:22]  Well, it's now becoming more and more clear.
[01:09:24]  Thank God it is a hoax.
[01:09:26]  But that's just...
[01:09:27]  The lesser of two evils, because we know that it's a hoax for them beta testing their federalization and their takeover and coming martial law, what could be in the fall of the winter of this year into early next year, and they even admit they're beta testing that.
[01:09:41]  So you've got clearly a designer virus.
[01:09:44]  He's hammering that home.
[01:09:46]  And now we have the prediction that by the end of the year, early into 2010, we got martial law.
[01:09:52]  Yeah.
[01:09:52]  I know this happened.
[01:09:54]  None of this happened.
[01:09:55]  No, the Bureau of Enforcement needs to show up.
[01:09:59]  The reality is that the way the H1N1 outbreak played out in 2009 is...
[01:10:09]  Ideal, almost for everybody, you know, except for, unfortunately, people who got sick.
[01:10:14]  The way that it weakened and became sort of a flu.
[01:10:19]  Right.
[01:10:19]  And not something that was necessarily more dangerous than normal flus.
[01:10:24]  That's great for the population, and it's great for Alex, because people can forget about all this bullshit that he did.
[01:10:31]  But it's going to be tough to forget about it now.
[01:10:33]  Now is going to be a harder...
[01:10:35]  With 2020, 2021, and now into 2022, the presentation and the performance that he's done surrounding COVID has gone so far off the rails that it's going to be impossible.
[01:10:46]  There's no going back.
[01:10:47]  No, but he could go back from this.
[01:10:49]  That's an easy dismount.
[01:10:50]  And the argument that I'm making is that that is what he, I believe, hoped.
[01:10:56]  I believe that he thought he was doing another one of these until he wasn't.
[01:11:01]  And by that point, it was too late.
[01:11:03]  It was too late.
[01:11:04]  Yeah.
[01:11:05]  You know, it's almost like if you are actively searching for bad governance and then you win...
[01:11:13]  And then something that needs good governance happens.
[01:11:16]  Yeah, it turns out, like, I think there's an underappreciated element for Alex that, like, his conspiracies legitimately rely on decent governance.
[01:11:24]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:11:24]  To be a safeguard against the things.
[01:11:26]  Yeah, if what he wants to happen happens, he's fucked.
[01:11:30]  So he needs people to ignore him and give him money, which is a tough tightrope to walk.

=== Novel Strain Rhetoric (08:29) ===

[01:11:35]  Because sooner or later people are going to pay attention to you if you get enough money.
[01:11:39]  And here we are.
[01:11:41]  So, uh...
[01:11:42]  Napolitano.
[01:11:43]  Janet Napolitano.
[01:11:44]  Bad.
[01:11:45]  Saying bad things.
[01:11:46]  Eh, that's not hard.
[01:11:47]  They said last Sunday in Napolitano Homeland Security head's briefing, she said to everybody out there, she said, there is no need to shut down the border or shut down the flights or anything because it's already spread everywhere and there's no way to stop it anyways.
[01:12:03]  And besides, newer, worse flu is coming anyways.
[01:12:07]  Very cryptic.
[01:12:07]  This is an absolutely inaccurate description of Janet Napolitano's comments that were made in the press conference.
[01:12:13]  That sounds about right.
[01:12:13]  Speaking of efforts at the border, she said, All persons entering the United States from a location of human infection of swine flu will be processed through all appropriate CBP protocols.
[01:12:29]  Right now, these are passive.
[01:12:31]  That means they're looking for people who, and asking about, are you sick, have you been sick, and the like, and if so, then they can be referred over for further examination.
[01:12:40]  The part from that press conference that touches on the possibility of new strains popping up is not Napolitano, but it's a comment made by the acting director of the CDC, Dr. Richard Besser.
[01:12:50]  Besser says, "We analyzed that strain and are continuing to do further analysis of that strain and we expect to see the emergence of new flu strains.
[01:13:00]  That's something that we are continually watching for to ensure that we're ready should a strain emerge that there's not immunity and protection in the community for it.
[01:13:10]  This strain is not unlike other new strains that have emerged.
[01:13:13]  It's an assortment.
[01:13:14]  It's got genetic components from a number of sources, including human, swine, and avian sources.
[01:13:19]  It's something that you see with new strains.
[01:13:22]  I mean, it's so crazy, because I feel like this is a fundamental thing that hasn't really been communicated to people to the level that I think a lot of people just assume other people understand it.
[01:13:35]  What do you mean?
[01:13:36]  But, I mean, viruses reproduce, you know, and they don't clone.
[01:13:41]  It's not exactly the same.
[01:13:42]  I want people to go on TV and be like, okay, you know how when you have kids, right, they don't look exactly like you?
[01:13:49]  Right.
[01:13:50]  And then if you have like a billion kids, eventually over a long enough period of time, they're going to look completely...
[01:13:57]  Well, I think even that isn't a good enough explanation.
[01:14:12]  No, you're probably right.
[01:14:13]  You're really right, honestly.
[01:14:14]  Yeah, I think that, you know...
[01:14:18]  The idea that you would have A, and then once it transmits, it's still A again.
[01:14:23]  I think that could be better articulated.
[01:14:27]  Right.
[01:14:28]  Yeah, and I think that's kind of what Besser's point is.
[01:14:30]  It's what he's trying to say, yeah.
[01:14:32]  And the notion that there are combinations of things from different sources.
[01:14:37]  Isn't something that is as surprising or weird as it may seem.
[01:14:41]  Right.
[01:14:42]  None of the comments that Alex ascribes to Napolitano are accurate in the least, but that doesn't really matter.
[01:14:47]  This isn't about reporting news or depicting reality.
[01:14:50]  This is about characterizing Alex's enemy in a particular way.
[01:14:53]  They want the virus to spread, because doing so allows them to force vaccines on people and put in martial law.
[01:14:59]  So naturally, Napolitano isn't closing the border intentionally to make the virus spread more.
[01:15:05]  The enemy wants the public to be in horrible fear, so of course Napolitano ominously predicted new and worse strains of the flu, which Alex interprets essentially as a threat, just as he did with early Bill Gates interviews in the present day.
[01:15:19]  Now, one thing I should note, looking at this content, there's a tremendous overlap in terms of tactics and narrative elements that Alex is using.
[01:15:27]  There's a glaring difference in terms of the stuff that I reviewed for this episode.
[01:15:31]  I'm not saying he doesn't mention him anywhere, but...
[01:15:35]  All the stuff I looked at, he doesn't bring up Bill Gates at all.
[01:15:38]  Weird!
[01:15:39]  Isn't Bill Gates in the Council of Twelve?
[01:15:42]  In 2009, I think he was probably middle manager.
[01:15:44]  Yeah, he was probably still middle manager.
[01:15:46]  But yeah, he was still very involved with world public health stuff.
[01:15:50]  You know, you get really involved when you've got several billion dollars hanging around.
[01:15:54]  I think that Alex was able to direct his attentions at the government figures that he didn't like.
[01:15:59]  And so Bill Gates maybe wasn't nearly as much of an evil figure.
[01:16:04]  He had Obama.
[01:16:05]  He had Napolitano.
[01:16:06]  No, you don't have to worry about adding in extra billionaires, because you've got the government that's the most evil one you've ever had before.
[01:16:13]  It's got Obama there.
[01:16:15]  Right, and it makes more sense, the idea that Obama would be able to put in martial law enforcement to have vaccines, whereas the leap from Bill Gates being able to do that is a little bit tough.
[01:16:24]  I admit that he's been able to pull that off.
[01:16:27]  He's bridged that gap in the present day.
[01:16:29]  Not smoothly, but he's done it.
[01:16:31]  It helps that they've already created it.
[01:16:33]  We had a massive mythology around Trump divorcing him from the reality of who the person is to the point where you can say both he's the most powerful man on the earth and he can't do anything about anything.
[01:16:44]  Oh no, he was tricked by Kushner again.
[01:16:46]  Simultaneously, the unstoppable can't do anything.
[01:16:49]  Yeah.
[01:16:50]  So here's some of the exact same sort of rhetoric that we see in the present.
[01:16:54]  Because the public isn't buying the phony boogeyman, you know, terrorists in a cave anymore is the reason to lock down the cities.
[01:16:59]  This is something where we're all guilty, and the government gets to get involved in our lives and tell us what to do and tell us what to put in our bodies, that they're going to come forcibly inoculate us, inoculate us and put us in prison if we don't go along with what they say, quarantine us, lock our cities down.
[01:17:13]  They're already beta testing with hotels and airports and some people's homes in Texas and California.
[01:17:19]  People are on quarantine with police out front, keeping them on house arrest.
[01:17:23]  I actually tricked you.
[01:17:24]  That is a clip from 2020.
[01:17:25]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:17:26]  It's not, actually, but it could have been.
[01:17:28]  God damn it!
[01:17:30]  No, that's from 2009.
[01:17:31]  God damn it!
[01:17:31]  But it could have been.
[01:17:32]  God damn it!
[01:17:34]  Wait, is it?
[01:17:35]  It's 2009.
[01:17:36]  Oh, okay.
[01:17:36]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:17:36]  But it's almost indistinguishable from a lot of the stuff that you're saying.
[01:17:41]  No, truly, truly.
[01:17:43]  Absolutely one-to-one.
[01:17:45]  Yes.
[01:17:45]  Brutal.
[01:17:46]  And there's a reason.
[01:17:47]  It's very clear.
[01:17:48]  Money!
[01:17:49]  So, look, there are people who are fear-mongering.
[01:17:52]  Sure.
[01:17:53]  CNN.
[01:17:54]  Crazy.
[01:17:54]  But there's other people who aren't.
[01:17:55]  Who?
[01:17:56]  Now, here's an article not fear-mongering.
[01:17:59]  Sign points to milder swine flu outbreak than once feared.
[01:18:02]  Well, don't tell CNN that.
[01:18:04]  Yeah, don't tell CNN, because they got this one article.
[01:18:07]  This article is from Fox News that Alex says isn't fear-mongering, but if you actually look at the article, the quotes that are in it are from the very people Alex is claiming are hyping this up and fear-mongering.
[01:18:17]  For instance, Dr. Nancy Cox, a flu chief at the CDC, said, quote, we do not see the markers for virulence that were seen in the 1918 virus.
[01:18:26]  Obama is cited in that article as suggesting that the flu may have run its course like ordinary flus.
[01:18:32]  Alex wants to have his cake and eat it too, and he achieves this by crafting intricate stories based solely on headlines.
[01:18:38]  This Fox article is saying that the signs are pointing to a milder flu than once feared, which is counter to what the establishment is saying, but because he ignores the body of the article, Alex doesn't have to then explain the fact that the article is based on comments from the people within the very establishment that Alex is insisting are trying to fearmonger and bring in martial law.
[01:18:56]  Also, if you look at the coverage of comments made by Dr. Cox around this time, you find articles in NPR.
[01:19:02]  It was titled, Flu Genes Suggest Virus Not As Deadly As 1918.
[01:19:07]  And guess what?
[01:19:08]  You can even find an article from CNN using the exact same quote.
[01:19:12]  There is a story that Alex wants to tell, and it has no relationship to the reality in front of him, which is why headlines are his most important tool.
[01:19:19]  They're often flashy and vaguely written, either due to length constraints or a desire to drive clicks to websites, and thus, they're really easy to misconstrue, which is about 75% of Alex's journalistic toolkit.
[01:19:30]  Yep.
[01:19:31]  And you see that in the present, you see that in the past.
[01:19:33]  Yeah, you do, I mean, you do have to give it up for those solid 18th century newspapers in Britain and the like, where the head...
[01:19:41]  Headlines are the entire thing, and you're like, well, this is an unruly headline, but on the other hand, there is that!

=== Same Tricks, Different Pandemic (03:38) ===

[01:19:48]  Or it's like Around the World on 80 Days has those chapter titles.
[01:19:53]  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole fucking chapter.
[01:19:55]  In which Passpartout.
[01:19:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:58]  Oh, boy.
[01:19:59]  This is a novel of a chapter title.
[01:20:02]  Yeah, so look, I think...
[01:20:06]  I've made about a lot of the points that I wanted to make, or I hope to demonstrate with this.
[01:20:11]  You see these exact same tricks, a formula more or less play out that Alex used at the beginning of the coverage of the COVID pandemic that you see here with the 2009 H1N1.
[01:20:25]  And now there's a little bit more to talk about, but also this...
[01:20:29]  Special that he did ends up going off the rails a little bit.
[01:20:32]  And so there's something nice to enjoy here at the end, almost like dessert.
[01:20:38]  So if I understand this correctly, even in 2009, an emergency special report that is an hour long...
[01:20:46]  He couldn't even keep it together for an hour.
[01:20:47]  ...spends about 20 minutes...
[01:20:49]  On the topic.
[01:20:50]  Well, I mean, the topic is still more or less consistent throughout.
[01:20:55]  It's about.
[01:20:55]  But he has an idea for something that actually is a lot of fun.
[01:20:59]  All right.
[01:21:00]  Okay, let me go through the other news.
[01:21:02]  We're going to call the White House on air.
[01:21:04]  I hadn't mentioned that.
[01:21:04]  I'm going to call the White House myself on air.
[01:21:07]  Coming up in a few minutes.
[01:21:08]  And then we're going to open up.
[01:21:10]  Let me go over the martial law, what they're selling, what they're pushing, why this is so important.
[01:21:15]  And, folks, if you're watching this in a month on YouTube when it's got, you know, 200,000 views or whatever, you call the White House, too, because they're planning to run this in the fall or the winter.
[01:21:24]  They're even saying it.
[01:21:25]  This is a great training for us to have NORTHCOM and the military take over and lock the cities down and have forced inoculations for your safety when the next deadly flu hits this winter.
[01:21:38]  So you need to call Obama and go, look, Jack, we know what you're doing.
[01:21:42]  We know you're using this as the economy implodes as an excuse to put troops on the streets and bring in martial law.
[01:21:47]  Didn't Biden call everyone Jack?
[01:21:49]  I believe he did, yeah.
[01:21:50]  Listen up, Jack.
[01:21:51]  You know, I mean, I think what I do appreciate that is I would speak to the President of the United States that way.
[01:21:57]  Sure.
[01:21:57]  That would be a delight.
[01:21:59]  Well, I mean, you know.
[01:21:59]  Listen up, Jack.
[01:22:00]  Look, Obama did sort of curate the image of, like, I sit down with world leaders and have a beer.
[01:22:05]  Sure, yeah.
[01:22:06]  I think if anybody would be like, I'm going to allow people to call me Jack or buddy or friend or whatever, I think it would be Obama.
[01:22:17]  I think Nixon would take a swing at you.
[01:22:19]  I think Nixon, depends on how drunk he was.
[01:22:21]  Sure.
[01:22:22]  JFK, you could get away with it.
[01:22:24]  Oh, totally.
[01:22:24]  But you'd already have sex with him by then.
[01:22:26]  Also, isn't his name Jack?
[01:22:27]  His name is Jack.
[01:22:29]  Well, you know.
[01:22:30]  That's what we called him.
[01:22:31]  Sure.
[01:22:32]  American royalty.
[01:22:33]  Anyway, there are some other things that are parallels, too, before we get to the actual phone call.
[01:22:38]  Sure.
[01:22:39]  And they admit...
[01:22:41]  Reuters AP, this country's under UN control.
[01:22:44]  They are directing the response of the CDC and the states in Northcombe.
[01:22:48]  And you can go read where it says forced inoculations, that you have no rights.
[01:22:51]  You can go read all of this for yourself.
[01:22:53]  We have this linked all week long up at Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
[01:22:58]  And let me give you the name of it.
[01:22:59]  It's World Health Organization Checklist for Influenza Pandemic Preparedness Planning.
[01:23:04]  And then it lists all the international laws and treaties.
[01:23:06]  Now, this is real.
[01:23:08]  The United Nations really exist.
[01:23:09]  Here it is right here.

=== Leaving Voicemail Messages (15:27) ===

[01:23:11]  Hate to have to tell Glenn Beck this, but here it is.
[01:23:13]  It exists.
[01:23:15]  This was a document that the WHO put together in 2005 because of the avian flu outbreak.
[01:23:21]  This is not a list of demands the World Health Organization is making of everybody.
[01:23:25]  It's just a helpful guide to establishing best practices to be able to be ready to respond in the possible event of a new flu strain emerging, where health officials need to respond quickly to uncertain circumstances.
[01:23:36]  It doesn't list any treaties or whatever Alex is saying, that's all just made up, but we see here another direct parallel to the present day.
[01:23:43]  It's important for Alex to present the takeover plan that's being facilitated by the outbreak as being run by the international globalist bodies that he imagines he's fighting against.
[01:23:52]  In this framework, the folks like Obama and Napolitano are bad, but they're really just under the sway of these folks like the WHO who are actually running things.
[01:24:01]  We've seen that time and time again in terms of COVID where any form of international cooperation or collaboration is presented as the World Health Organization ruling over American sovereignty.
[01:24:12]  That's a meaningless argument for Alex to make, but it's a very good way for him to fearmonger to his audience that's been trained for years to be super afraid of the inevitable day when the UN and the international bodies would take over the United States.
[01:24:23]  He was doing that in 2009.
[01:24:25]  He was doing that prior, and he's still doing it.
[01:24:29]  Maybe he needs another visit from the predictions board.
[01:24:36]  Just a one-trick pony.
[01:24:38]  Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of side tricks.
[01:24:41]  But it's just so disappointing that it still works.
[01:24:45]  You know, you dream.
[01:24:47]  If you spend enough time reading human history, you dream of that slow growth.
[01:24:53]  You know, that lesson upon lesson we grow and we change.
[01:24:57]  Brick by brick.
[01:24:58]  Everything.
[01:24:58]  You know what?
[01:24:59]  You fuck up, but you fuck up in a new way.
[01:25:02]  And if you fucked up, you learn your lesson from that and you can do spirited.
[01:25:05]  And it turns out you can just do the same ass shit for 30 years and be a millionaire.
[01:25:10]  Well, as long as you have friends like George Norrie and Joe Rogan.
[01:25:16]  It's good to have rich friends.
[01:25:18]  And no shame.
[01:25:20]  Those are the two things you need.
[01:25:22]  Gall and rich friends.
[01:25:23]  And maybe stimulants.
[01:25:24]  Never go wrong with stimulants.
[01:25:26]  So anyway, here's some more parallels to the present.
[01:25:29]  Think about it.
[01:25:30]  It's perfect.
[01:25:31]  Governments everywhere on the verge of falling.
[01:25:33]  They're falling all over Eastern Europe.
[01:25:34]  They're falling all over the planet.
[01:25:36]  Because of the world implosion as they set up the new bank of the world, the new carbon taxes.
[01:25:42]  How do they lock down cities?
[01:25:43]  How do they set up a police state?
[01:25:45]  How do they ban public gatherings?
[01:25:47]  How do they ban protesting?
[01:25:48]  How do they grandstand as saviors?
[01:25:50]  They hype up a designer flu, and it's no doubt a designer flu.
[01:25:53]  They did that, so scientists who weren't part of their cabal looked at it.
[01:25:57]  They would at least go, yeah, this is totally new and novel.
[01:26:00]  By the way, it looks like it's an engineer.
[01:26:02]  This is scary.
[01:26:03]  So they can create fear and then say, oh, it's mutating in the fall.
[01:26:06]  You need to take the vaccine.
[01:26:08]  Boy, something special they got for you in that vaccine.
[01:26:10]  Maybe it's like the syphilis for the black man.
[01:26:13]  Remember, that's a government that does this type of stuff thousands of times.
[01:26:15]  See, all of this is the exact same thing.
[01:26:19]  I'm sounding like a broken record at this point.
[01:26:21]  Yeah.
[01:26:22]  So Alex is going to build up to taking calls.
[01:26:26]  Taking calls.
[01:26:28]  Yeah, making the call to Obama.
[01:26:30]  Yep.
[01:26:30]  Look, Jack!
[01:26:31]  Let's go ahead and call the White House.
[01:26:33]  Here is the number.
[01:26:34]  We're going to call it in a moment.
[01:26:35]  Call the White House, 202-456-1111.
[01:26:38]  Be polite.
[01:26:39]  These are just puppets.
[01:26:40]  These are just actors.
[01:26:42]  The real government is run out of the RAND Corporation and the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission.
[01:26:48]  These big think tanks brag.
[01:26:49]  They set all the real policies.
[01:26:51]  The military dictatorship that works for them is based not in Virginia, not in D.C., but at NORTHCOM.
[01:26:58]  So remember, you're just calling a group of Shakespearean actors.
[01:27:03]  You're just calling a theater troupe.
[01:27:05]  So don't be rude to these actors.
[01:27:07]  They work hard, man.
[01:27:09]  They're tired.
[01:27:10]  They go home, Obama smokes a cigarette, maybe hits a doobie or something.
[01:27:15]  He's a really good actor.
[01:27:16]  He presents the script.
[01:27:19]  Don't be rude.
[01:27:20]  Let them know, hey, we know you're actors, and the people will back you up.
[01:27:26]  If you just won't stage terror attacks, or when your bosses stage terror attacks, take all our freedoms.
[01:27:31]  That's a good deal.
[01:27:32]  And tell your bosses, we know they're hyping this, to sell the public on forced inoculations and roundups and lockdowns.
[01:27:40]  We know Obama.
[01:27:41]  Yeah, but also be polite.
[01:27:43]  I mean, that's great.
[01:27:45]  I love the offer.
[01:27:47]  I love the way they're going about it.
[01:27:49]  I think it's good advice that he's giving.
[01:27:52]  Certainly, it's how you want to communicate with people.
[01:27:54]  If you want to reach...
[01:27:55]  Like, an understanding, and like, you know, you could really see yourself working together with somebody when they approach you like that.
[01:28:03]  Listen, I know everything that you're about to tell me is a lie and you're just an actor.
[01:28:07]  Because you're a fucking actor.
[01:28:08]  There's no way for us to communicate in any real way, obviously.
[01:28:12]  Unless you agree with my presentation, that is a part of your act.
[01:28:16]  Also, sight unseen.
[01:28:17]  I will not tell you what you need to agree with first.
[01:28:20]  You have to just yes and everything I say.
[01:28:22]  You gotta go with whatever it is that I'm saying and then I will believe you.
[01:28:25]  Yeah.
[01:28:26]  Oh, great.
[01:28:26]  So Alex tries to call.
[01:28:27]  We're calling the Puppets.
[01:28:29]  So let's go ahead and call Obama.
[01:28:30]  I'm going to go ahead and talk to him right now.
[01:28:32]  Let's go ahead and call the White House.
[01:28:34]  Call the local theater.
[01:28:36]  I'm going to the bathroom right now.
[01:28:38]  202-456-1111.
[01:28:40]  I'm going to call the local actors.
[01:28:43]  We're sorry.
[01:28:44]  Your call cannot be completed as dialed.
[01:28:47]  It was the craziest thing.
[01:28:48]  We called that before the show and it worked.
[01:28:50]  I told you, they're constantly, they've got like five or six numbers and they're changing them day to day and they're like, they're constantly changing the number.
[01:28:58]  What?
[01:28:58]  What are you talking about?
[01:29:01]  Of course they misdialed!
[01:29:02]  But no, Alex can't even...
[01:29:04]  He asks if they misdialed and then has to walk it back to be like, no, it's a conspiracy.
[01:29:10]  It's gotta be.
[01:29:10]  They've changed the number routinely.
[01:29:12]  Couldn't just let him try one more time before you go with the conspiracy?
[01:29:15]  Well, no, he's gotta float the conspiracy and then...
[01:29:18]  And then we try again.
[01:29:19]  Then you try again.
[01:29:19]  Okay.
[01:29:20]  The number's good one week, then it's not good the next week, then it's good another week.
[01:29:23]  What world do you live in?
[01:29:24]  Thank you for calling the White House comment line.
[01:29:26]  The office is now closed.
[01:29:27]  Your comment is very important to the president, so please call again between the hours of 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.
[01:29:35]  Now, real quick, so he gets this answering message, and before we continue further, I want to point something out really clearly.
[01:29:40]  Yeah.
[01:29:41]  He's going to pretend to leave a message.
[01:29:44]  But there is no answering machine.
[01:29:46]  No.
[01:29:46]  There's a beep of the phone hanging up.
[01:29:48]  Right.
[01:29:49]  They didn't leave a message.
[01:29:50]  No.
[01:29:51]  There's no voicemail box.
[01:29:52]  There isn't a voicemail.
[01:29:52]  There's no leave a message.
[01:29:53]  But he's pretending that there is.
[01:29:55]  He's really going to try and sell me on them.
[01:29:57]  It's amazing.
[01:29:58]  That message literally said, call back tomorrow.
[01:30:01]  Yes.
[01:30:01]  The end.
[01:30:02]  Eastern Standard Time.
[01:30:04]  Monday through Friday.
[01:30:05]  Our direct telephone number is 202-456-1111.
[01:30:12]  Again, 202.
[01:30:14]  456-1111.
[01:30:17]  Thank you.
[01:30:19]  Thank you.
[01:30:37]  To the higher-level speechwriters and people actually writing the scripts and plays for the actors, that the American people are aware that Obama and George Bush and all of them are just puppets, total New World Order puppets.
[01:30:50]  And that the folks at Infowars.com are not closed on Saturday night like you are, because this is the real world.
[01:30:57]  This is not a Shakespearean, a thespian troop of actors.
[01:31:01]  We are Infowarriors in the Infowar exposing the New World Order.
[01:31:05]  This is also like, even if he was leaving a message, this is useful.
[01:31:09]  That's insane.
[01:31:10]  Yeah.
[01:31:10]  It's basically a plug.
[01:31:12]  There's nobody there.
[01:31:13]  He's leaving a fake message that's a plug for how great he...
[01:31:17]  Look, we're not off.
[01:31:19]  You usually are.
[01:31:20]  Zero people.
[01:31:21]  It's Saturday night.
[01:31:21]  You're doing an emergency show.
[01:31:23]  You usually are not there.
[01:31:25]  This isn't live, right?
[01:31:27]  What?
[01:31:27]  The show?
[01:31:28]  Yeah.
[01:31:28]  Yeah, I think it is.
[01:31:29]  Oh, you think it is live?
[01:31:30]  Yeah, I think so.
[01:31:30]  Oh, okay.
[01:31:30]  I was going to say, because you could have edited out the part where you left a message to a not-voicemail machine.
[01:31:36]  I think that Alex is really into the authenticity of...
[01:31:39]  Sure.
[01:31:39]  Like, you know, just let him see it all.
[01:31:42]  Right, right, right.
[01:31:43]  But, I mean, here's the thing.
[01:31:45]  It's live.
[01:31:49]  Nobody told him.
[01:31:50]  Nobody...
[01:31:51]  But they don't take messages?
[01:31:52]  Nobody didn't give him, like, a signal of, like, cut it out.
[01:31:55]  What's great, too, is that he called beforehand, before the show.
[01:31:59]  Presumably heard the...
[01:32:00]  He didn't realize they don't...
[01:32:02]  Because it's Saturday, though, right?
[01:32:04]  Well, yes, it is.
[01:32:05]  Saturday evening.
[01:32:06]  So they wouldn't have answered either?
[01:32:07]  No.
[01:32:08]  But that doesn't stop him from continuing.
[01:32:11]  But it's the voice that he's leaving.
[01:32:13]  He's using the I'm leaving a message voice.
[01:32:15]  That's the thing that's so crazy.
[01:32:16]  You realize that's the crazy part.
[01:32:18]  Well, I mean, there's a lot of crazy parts.
[01:32:20]  We know you're not relieving bad guys.
[01:32:22]  You're actors.
[01:32:23]  You're hired guns to get up there and read off teleprompters.
[01:32:27]  We understand that.
[01:32:28]  But we're just saying to you as the puppets, since you actually talked to the bosses, Bernanke and Paulson and Kashkari and Geithner and others, who are just mid-level minions themselves to the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and others, that we're not your slaves.
[01:32:44]  We're not your property.
[01:32:45]  This is our Declaration of Independence.
[01:32:47]  My John Hancock, I'm Alex Jones.
[01:32:50]  Bring me a pen.
[01:32:51]  I want to sign my name big.
[01:32:52]  Bring me a Sharpie here as we simulcast on the radio and TV.
[01:32:56]  That I want the White House to know we are not putting up with this tyranny anymore.
[01:33:00]  I'm not your slave.
[01:33:01]  You don't own me.
[01:33:02]  And you can stage all the bird flu, swine flu crap you want so you can get involved in our lives and pose as our saviors and our bosses and shut down public assembly.
[01:33:10]  We know Mexico's collapsing from your new world order narco-terrorism that you guys bring the drugs in together.
[01:33:16]  We know that they've staged this flu situation as a way to unify the people and get folks more worried about surviving than being slaves.
[01:33:23]  But just know this.
[01:33:25]  We're not cowards.
[01:33:26]  We're standing up to you.
[01:33:27]  We're speaking out against you.
[01:33:29]  We're aware of your activities.
[01:33:30]  So you want our comments?
[01:33:32]  It's this.
[01:33:33]  We know you as actors are aware that real human beings, real people who aren't buying into the puppets of the left-right...
[01:33:41]  are beginning to wake up to what you're doing.
[01:33:43]  And we're not looking at the puppet Obama or the puppet McCain or the puppet Bush or the puppet Barbara Boxer.
[01:33:48]  We're looking past the puppets right now to the elite that actually control things.
[01:33:53]  And Ron Paul's got bills to audit the criminal Fed, private Federal Reserve, that claims it's above all laws on Lear NewsHour and no police, no judge, no branch of government can even look at it.
[01:34:04]  That's asinine.
[01:34:05]  We're exposing that.
[01:34:06]  And we're going to audit the Fed.
[01:34:07]  We're going to abolish the Fed.
[01:34:08]  And just like Madoff, Founder of the NASDAQs, a criminal, one of your bosses, all of you are going to end up going to prison after you've been tried by a jury of your peers unless you turn state's evidence against the new world order today.
[01:34:21]  So again, from Infowars.com, from the front lines of the Infowar, from the front lines of true liberty, this is my emancipation proclamation against you.
[01:34:30]  I am not a sucker.
[01:34:31]  I am not a slave.
[01:34:33]  Your neuro-linguistic programming and brainwashing doesn't work on me.
[01:34:37]  And I'll say it again, like they say in V for Vendetta, ladies and gentlemen, ideas are eternal.
[01:34:43]  Ideas go on forever, and you can't stop the signal.
[01:34:46]  You can't stop the truth.
[01:34:47]  So you should join humanity.
[01:34:49]  You should stop selling out to these degenerate, old, pot-bellied European Rothschilds and Rockefellers.
[01:34:54]  It's disgusting.
[01:34:55]  So join humanity, White House.
[01:34:57]  Look, stop being actors.
[01:35:00]  Join humanity.
[01:35:01]  Stop being puppets.
[01:35:02]  Again, I'm Alex Jones from Austin, Texas.
[01:35:04]  I hope you've listened to me.
[01:35:07]  Wow.
[01:35:08]  All right.
[01:35:09]  Well, you can leave a long message if you'd like.
[01:35:11]  Go ahead and call up there, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:35:13]  I mean, oh, no.
[01:35:15]  No, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:35:17]  No, that's great.
[01:35:18]  That's awesome.
[01:35:19]  Oh, my God.
[01:35:20]  What a showman.
[01:35:23]  If I was at the White House and I saw this the next day, I'd be like, well, we gotta have a voicemail.
[01:35:29]  I mean, we gotta keep these.
[01:35:31]  Or actually, I'd be like, well, that's exactly why we don't have a voicemail.
[01:35:34]  No, I agree.
[01:35:36]  And if we did, it would not allow you to leave a five-minute message.
[01:35:41]  I think Alex probably had run out of things to cover, and was just like, well, I had planned this chunk.
[01:35:50]  I gotta do it.
[01:35:51]  I gotta do something.
[01:35:52]  Yeah.
[01:35:52]  It's kind of like if you're a stand-up and, like, a bit's not working.
[01:35:56]  Sure.
[01:35:56]  But you gotta finish it.
[01:35:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:35:58]  You do your time.
[01:35:58]  Yeah.
[01:35:59]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:35:59]  You power through.
[01:36:00]  Yep.
[01:36:01]  So this is really dumb, but if you think about it, this is also an analog to the present day.
[01:36:05]  These days, Alex pretends that every important person in the world listens to his show, so he can just do full-on wrestling promos, calling out people like Bill Gates, and the audience gets to feel that vicarious excitement of pretending that Alex is talking directly to and telling truth to power.
[01:36:20]  He's standing up to the tyrants, and you're part of it.
[01:36:23]  In 2009, Alex couldn't really pretend that anyone in power cared all that much about what he was doing, so this is how that same kind of vicarious thrill for the audience was conveyed.
[01:36:33]  Alex is pretending to leave a message on the White House comment line where he just drones on and on and declares his independence, which is supposed to be like a thrill for the listeners.
[01:36:41]  It's pretending to take a risk, which is clearly illustrated by Alex pretending to sign something with his John Hancock.
[01:36:47]  This is meant to evoke the idea that the signers of the Declaration of Independence were taking a serious risk by putting their names on paper, since if their cause was unsuccessful, they would be immediately killed for treason.
[01:36:58]  This is the same kind of risk Alex wants to pretend he's taking by faking leaving a voicemail for the White House.
[01:37:04]  I will say that it's kind of hard to tell which version of this sketch that he's doing is sadder, like...
[01:37:10]  The version in the present or in the past?
[01:37:12]  I don't know.
[01:37:12]  I don't know any human being who has gone straight from poetic irony to poetic irony unscathed.
[01:37:27]  I mean, the man literally left a voicemail to nowhere.
[01:37:32]  Uh-huh.
[01:37:33]  It's the perfect microcosm of his life and career.
[01:37:36]  It really is.
[01:37:37]  I mean, it's essentially talking into a void.
[01:37:39]  He's talking to no one.
[01:37:40]  Yeah.
[01:37:41]  And assuming that somebody's there listening to him, and not just assuming nobody is somebody, but that it's the most powerful people in the world.
[01:37:48]  I think that Alex knows full well that no one's listening, but he wants the audience to believe.
[01:37:53]  That he is.
[01:37:54]  Sure.
[01:37:54]  Talking to those powerful people.
[01:37:55]  Again, a man walking from one poetic irony to the next, just like not even bothering to look.
[01:38:01]  The Abyss doesn't even bother to look at him anymore.
[01:38:04]  The Abyss shans to look back.
[01:38:05]  The Abyss is like, man, this fucking guy.
[01:38:07]  I don't even.
[01:38:08]  The Abyss is over it.
[01:38:09]  Christ.
[01:38:10]  Oh, God.
[01:38:10]  I'm going to get a beer.
[01:38:12]  The Abyss is like, this dude again?
[01:38:13]  Jeez.
[01:38:14]  This motherfucker.
[01:38:15]  So Alex, we have one last clip.
[01:38:17]  And again, it's another parallel to the present.
[01:38:19]  We want to have this video go viral so people know this was all a mass hoax.

=== Viral Fear Cycle (02:48) ===

[01:38:24]  We hope.
[01:38:25]  There's still a small chance that it may turn out deadly, but it's certainly engineered by them.
[01:38:29]  It's certainly designer.
[01:38:31]  We need this video to go extremely viral.
[01:38:33]  Check out all the facts.
[01:38:35]  Check out all the evidence.
[01:38:35]  Check out all the information that we went over.
[01:38:38]  Re-upping some of that fear a little bit, and then trying to use it to promote, you know, you've got to share all this information.
[01:38:46]  You've got to make this go mega-viral in order to protect everyone from the thing that I'm making you afraid of.
[01:38:52]  Yeah, sales classes call that the after-sale.
[01:38:54]  You know, after you've closed, then you've got to push.
[01:38:59]  So, I understand that maybe this is retreading some territory a little bit, inasmuch as I think that we've hinted at and talked a little bit about how some of this dynamic works, but I felt that it was worthwhile to look a little more closely at some of this formulaic nature of the way that Alex presents his coverage, especially in the early stages of...
[01:39:26]  The pandemics or public health things.
[01:39:29]  Yeah, this should be damning.
[01:39:29]  Now, one of the things that I think is a limitation of this is obviously later on down the road, Alex will transition this into...
[01:39:38]  The swine flu vaccine is dangerous.
[01:39:40]  There are horrible side effects that are coming from the swine flu vaccine.
[01:39:44]  But it's almost impossible to create a parallel to how he ended up having to weave things with COVID to any other period in his career because he'd never been stuck that far out on a limb before.
[01:39:57]  He never was forced to do whatever he's doing now as it relates to swine flu or to Ebola.
[01:40:05]  And, I mean, I guess I'm thankful for that because that means less pandemics got out of hand.
[01:40:10]  Yeah.
[01:40:10]  But it is a limitation in terms of my being able to trace, like, ah, this is the step that happens when you're forced to not move on.
[01:40:20]  Right.
[01:40:20]  I mean, the awful part about Alex is that his type of...
[01:40:28]  Bullshit, I guess, can only flower in a stable environment.
[01:40:31]  One that doesn't fluctuate so far off course that it gives in to any of his extreme bullshit.
[01:40:37]  And if he's allowed to flourish in a stable environment, his presence will be an unstabilizing aspect of it, which will then lead to where we are now.
[01:40:48]  A stable environment allows Alex to exist, allows him to grow to the point where the unstable environment takes over.

=== Longer Headlines Matter (02:10) ===

[01:40:56]  And then the cycle begins again, and 20 years from now, there's going to be another fucking asshole Alex Jones who's going to do the same shit for 30 years!
[01:41:03]  Well, maybe we'll have learned our lives away then.
[01:41:06]  And we'll write better headlines.
[01:41:09]  Maybe longer headlines.
[01:41:10]  Much longer.
[01:41:12]  That's the key.
[01:41:13]  Maybe that's the key to information traveling in a responsible way.
[01:41:17]  My contribution to the information warfare is...
[01:41:21]  Insisting that editors write longer and better headlines.
[01:41:24]  Long headlines that make very clear what you're about to say.
[01:41:27]  That cannot be misconstrued.
[01:41:30]  Absurdly redundant, too.
[01:41:32]  Like, to the point where even after they've explained their point, they're like, but seriously, we're saying this specifically, not other things.
[01:41:40]  This is not a hidden thing.
[01:41:41]  And then, like, in parentheses, cough, cough, Alex.
[01:41:45]  Bruh, seriously.
[01:41:46]  Jack!
[01:41:49]  So we'll be back on Monday with a look at how Alex is dealing with his old buddy, Stuart Rhodes, getting arrested.
[01:41:56]  Indeed we will.
[01:41:57]  And I bet it will not be great.
[01:42:00]  No, I'm sure he's going to take it well.
[01:42:01]  Well, I mean, think about it.
[01:42:02]  I've been reflecting on this since that news broke a little bit earlier.
[01:42:06]  You know, of the people who are most instrumental in the rise of the Oath Keepers, I don't think you can name somebody more intimately entwined than Alex.
[01:42:19]  He's been around since before they were an actual organization.
[01:42:23]  Him and Stuart Rhodes.
[01:42:25]  Stuart's been a guest on Alex's show since the founding of the Oath Keepers.
[01:42:31]  Didn't he announce the founding of the Oath Keepers?
[01:42:34]  I believe so.
[01:42:34]  Yeah, I'm fairly sure.
[01:42:35]  It did initial fundraising and stuff.
[01:42:36]  Yeah, it was germinated through Infowars.
[01:42:40]  So I can't imagine Alex taking this very lightly.
[01:42:44]  But we'll see.
[01:42:45]  But until then, we have a website.
[01:42:46]  We do have a website.
[01:42:47]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:42:48]  Yep, we're also on Twitter.
[01:42:50]  We are on Twitter.
[01:42:50]  It's at knowledgefight and I go to bed Jordan.
[01:42:52]  Yep, we'll be back.
[01:42:53]  But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundus.
[01:42:57]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[01:42:59]  Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:43:01]  Thanks for holding.
[01:43:03]  Hello, Alex.
[01:43:04]  I'm a first-time caller.
[01:43:05]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:43:06]  I love your work.