Knowledge Fight - #634: July 11, 2003
Aired: 2022-01-07
Duration: 01:34:02


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[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a first time calling.
[00:00:51]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody!
[00:01:00]  Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:01]  I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are.
[00:01:07]  Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:09]  I have a quick question for you, sir.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:11]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:12]  My bright spot today is, we didn't have an episode on Wednesday, and part of the reason for that was on Tuesday, I got my booster.
[00:01:19]  Ooh.
[00:01:20]  I got boosted.
[00:01:21]  Yeah.
[00:01:21]  And I guess the bright spot is no real side effects to speak of.
[00:01:25]  Pretty smooth.
[00:01:26]  I had a little bit of a sore shoulder situation going on.
[00:01:29]  But I was worried that there would be severe side effects, not because I'm vaccine skeptical or anything, but because I went to a Walgreens to get the booster, and I texted you about it.
[00:01:42]  It seemed haunted.
[00:01:44]  It's not good.
[00:01:44]  Something was wrong.
[00:01:46]  There was a bad vibe in this Walgreens.
[00:01:49]  I went in.
[00:01:51]  There were too few people.
[00:01:52]  Wait, where was it?
[00:01:54]  Walgreens.
[00:01:54]  Which one?
[00:01:55]  It was in Uptown.
[00:01:57]  It was a little ways away.
[00:01:58]  Are you kidding me?
[00:01:59]  That Walgreens hasn't been there for 10 years, dude.
[00:02:02]  Yeah, I couldn't get one close to me, so I had to make a little bit of a trip.
[00:02:07]  But yeah, there weren't enough people in there.
[00:02:11]  I don't know what that means, but I definitely felt it.
[00:02:15]  Shoppers, staff, everybody.
[00:02:17]  There's just not enough.
[00:02:18]  Not enough.
[00:02:19]  Not enough.
[00:02:19]  The lighting was wrong.
[00:02:21]  I don't know how you can...
[00:02:23]  Wrong light of Walgreens!
[00:02:24]  It's just bright!
[00:02:25]  The area where they had people go to get...
[00:02:30]  The shot.
[00:02:31]  The little back office room looked like a holding cell.
[00:02:34]  Sure, sure.
[00:02:36]  There's drips coming from the ceiling.
[00:02:38]  One light's cutting in and out all the time.
[00:02:40]  Yeah, like other Walgreens that I've been to in my life.
[00:02:44]  I've been to pharmacies.
[00:02:46]  I've seen the area where they have consultations and stuff.
[00:02:49]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:50]  Or even CVS Minute Clinic.
[00:02:52]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:02:53]  They kind of have an aesthetic that feels...
[00:02:57]  Comforting.
[00:02:57]  Little doctor's office-y.
[00:02:58]  Not a lot, but enough to...
[00:03:00]  At least doctor's office light.
[00:03:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:03:02]  This looked like a biohazard container.
[00:03:05]  So anyway, I was worried I was going to have some effects.
[00:03:07]  And I didn't.
[00:03:08]  And you did.
[00:03:08]  Everything was fine.
[00:03:09]  Now I'm just worried you didn't get the right vaccine.
[00:03:11]  I might not have.
[00:03:11]  You are immune to malaria, that's for damn sure.
[00:03:14]  And, uh, yeah.
[00:03:16]  So, uh, what about you?
[00:03:17]  Uh, my bright spot, Dan, uh, is, um...
[00:03:21]  The teachers have gone to remote learning.
[00:03:25]  My partner, of course, is a teacher in the CPS.
[00:03:28]  And what's bright about that spot is that when they went to take a vote on whether or not to say, fuck you to the administration, we're going to go remote and let the chips fall where they may, 88% voted yes.
[00:03:42]  And that is bananas.
[00:03:44]  Strong.
[00:03:45]  For the teachers union in Chicago, for 88% to agree on something means goddamn everybody was like, this is fucked up.

=== Mighty Anniversary (03:40) ===

[00:03:53]  So I'm very, very proud of all of them for doing that and nobody breaking the goddamn line.
[00:03:58]  Hell yeah.
[00:03:59]  Hell yeah!
[00:04:00]  So yeah.
[00:04:01]  So yeah, that's my bright spot.
[00:04:02]  Congratulations.
[00:04:03]  Yeah.
[00:04:04]  So, Jordan, hey, guess what?
[00:04:06]  It's our anniversary.
[00:04:07]  It is our anniversary.
[00:04:09]  Five years?
[00:04:10]  Yeah, that's right.
[00:04:11]  That sounds about right.
[00:04:13]  Entering year six.
[00:04:15]  January 7th was the first episode of the show back in 2017.
[00:04:19]  Right.
[00:04:19]  And so it's our...
[00:04:24]  Anniversary.
[00:04:24]  Combining that with the fact that we're recording this on the anniversary of January 6th.
[00:04:29]  You know, was our first episode recorded on January 6th?
[00:04:34]  Might have been the 5th.
[00:04:35]  Might have been the 5th, but it could have been.
[00:04:37]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:38]  I'm not sure.
[00:04:39]  I don't remember what.
[00:04:39]  No, it had to have been.
[00:04:40]  I think it had to have been the 6th.
[00:04:41]  I think that I was very much, even from the beginning, like we have quick turnaround.
[00:04:46]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:47]  It's kind of just the way I've always operated.
[00:04:49]  Yeah.
[00:04:49]  I think that means that the...
[00:04:51]  Two most important things.
[00:04:52]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:04:53]  What?
[00:04:53]  No, I mean, there's the one that happened.
[00:04:56]  That's an interesting take on it.
[00:04:57]  Yes.
[00:04:57]  Because it's better probably than the take that would be that we caused.
[00:05:01]  It would be better than that.
[00:05:03]  We presaged the...
[00:05:05]  There's a psychic connection between the two of them, perhaps.
[00:05:09]  So I kind of combined a bit of this in my head and in my emotions, and I combined this with the fact that, you know, on our last episode, just Alex was trying to quit.
[00:05:20]  Real.
[00:05:20]  I was having a real bad time.
[00:05:22]  Real rough.
[00:05:22]  And then I turned on the 5th, January 5th episode, and I started listening to it, and he just shows up 14 minutes late and almost immediately has mic issues and decides he's got to go off air.
[00:05:32]  That's perfect.
[00:05:33]  And I'm like, I'm fucking tired of this.
[00:05:35]  What a perfect distillation of the show.
[00:05:36]  I'm so tired of this shit.
[00:05:39]  And so I decided we're going to go back to the past.
[00:05:41]  So today we're in 2003.
[00:05:43]  Okay.
[00:05:43]  Now get this.
[00:05:44]  What's that?
[00:05:45]  We're going over the episode that played.
[00:05:48]  On July 11th, 2003.
[00:05:51]  Okay.
[00:05:52]  Right?
[00:05:52]  Sure.
[00:05:53]  But...
[00:05:53]  When was it recorded?
[00:05:55]  July 8th, 2003.
[00:05:59]  Three days difference?
[00:06:00]  So I told you that we had skipped the 8th and the 9th in 2003 because the audio was unlistenable.
[00:06:09]  The 11th is a rebroadcast of the 8th, and it's listenable now.
[00:06:13]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:06:14]  And I would just say, fuck it, they had their chance.
[00:06:16]  But this is the episode where Paul Joseph Watson comes on.
[00:06:19]  A very young Paul Joseph Watson, and he's promoting his book.
[00:06:23]  And so I decided, let's give this a whirl.
[00:06:26]  So anyway, it's our anniversary, this is for me.
[00:06:28]  I don't give a shit.
[00:06:29]  I'm not covering the present today.
[00:06:30]  Yeah, I'm fine.
[00:06:31]  I'm fine with that.
[00:06:32]  I'm going back to the past, and I figure that like...
[00:06:35]  There's going to be something for the 6th.
[00:06:38]  You know?
[00:06:39]  There's going to be Trump has his rally that's happening today.
[00:06:44]  Sure.
[00:06:44]  There's going to be something that is going to be wild, and we'll cover that on Monday.
[00:06:48]  I hope so.
[00:06:49]  Yeah.
[00:06:50]  I mean, wait.
[00:06:51]  No.
[00:06:51]  I hope not.
[00:06:53]  Okay.
[00:06:56]  You know what?
[00:06:57]  Let's just do today.
[00:06:58]  All right.
[00:06:58]  So we'll get down to business on this, but first, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
[00:07:02]  Oh, that's a great idea.
[00:07:04]  So first, Lydia and all her gay frogs.
[00:07:06]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:07]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:08]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:09]  Thanks, Lydia.
[00:07:10]  Thank you.
[00:07:10]  Next, I'm Alex's swollen neck.
[00:07:12]  Thank you so much.

=== Policy Wonk Initiation (09:55) ===

[00:07:13]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:14]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:15]  Thank you very much.
[00:07:16]  Thank you.
[00:07:16]  Next, this person was Ben, but the way they phrased it in the message was, Ben, if possible.
[00:07:23]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:07:24]  Ben, if possible.
[00:07:25]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:26]  Thank you very much, Ben, if possible.
[00:07:28]  Thank you.
[00:07:29]  Next, Reba Martini.
[00:07:30]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:30]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:32]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:33]  Thanks, Reba!
[00:07:33]  Thank you.
[00:07:34]  Next, Sable the Chonk, forever now a wonk.
[00:07:36]  Thank you so much.
[00:07:37]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:38]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:39]  Thank you, Sable.
[00:07:40]  Thank you.
[00:07:40]  And Dr. Little Goat, thank you so much.
[00:07:43]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:07:44]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:07:45]  Thanks, Dr. Little Goat.
[00:07:46]  Thank you.
[00:07:48]  I wonder where this little goat got their degree.
[00:07:50]  I don't know.
[00:07:51]  I don't know, but I want him to be my psychiatrist.
[00:07:53]  Isn't that one of the names of the restaurants, the goat series of restaurants here in Chicago?
[00:07:57]  There's like the girl and the goat.
[00:07:58]  The girl and the goat?
[00:07:59]  That's amazing.
[00:07:59]  I think the little goat might be another one.
[00:08:01]  Is it?
[00:08:01]  I think there's a bunch.
[00:08:02]  Good.
[00:08:03]  There's a bunch of restaurants with goat in the name.
[00:08:05]  The chef?
[00:08:06]  The woman who does?
[00:08:06]  Boo.
[00:08:07]  Amazing.
[00:08:08]  Amazing.
[00:08:08]  So before we get down to business on today's episode, I wanted to quickly touch on a piece of news that was breaking since we recorded our last episode.
[00:08:17]  On December 30th, a man named Thomas Apollo showed up at a clinic in Tustin, California, and attacked people who were working there giving out vaccinations, accusing the people of being murderers and that they were making people sick.
[00:08:29]  According to an article in the Washington Post, quote, Families Together said that the members sustained serious injuries and was sent to the hospital in an ambulance, but that both workers are expected to make a full recovery within a few days.
[00:08:43]  Obviously, given the publicly available information, I can't sit here and tell you that this guy was a fan of Alex or that that was part of his inspiration, but honestly, I don't even think that that's an important aspect of the story for our purposes.
[00:08:55]  An attack like this was inevitable, given the extreme quality of the rhetoric that's flying around in the conspiracy and misinformation circles.
[00:09:02]  You can't try and convince a large group of people that vaccinations are an intentional plot to kill their children and not think that some of them are going to take the next logical step and try to attack people providing vaccinations.
[00:09:14]  Even Alex knew that, which is why he was building up this narrative in advance, as we saw last week.
[00:09:20]  And they're going to stage terror attacks and they're going to do everything else and blame us.
[00:09:23]  Do you understand?
[00:09:24]  They will say on the news that my followers blow up the Pfizer building or something like that.
[00:09:28]  And I'm saying, of course, don't do that.
[00:09:30]  But I mean, I know, I know I see over the horizon.
[00:09:33]  I know what the enemy's next moves are.
[00:09:35]  We've talked about this a hundred times in the course of doing this show, and it's clear why a person like Alex would behave this way.
[00:09:40]  His entire career has been made off of profiting from tragedies, so I don't believe for a second that he's not rooting for tragedies to strike.
[00:09:48]  At the same time, when tragedy does strike, it's good for business to make sure that the audience doesn't start to question whether or not the media they're digesting is part of what's driving these tragedies.
[00:09:58]  Having a pre-built story in place so the audience blames someone else is critical, and that's why Alex is doing this kind of thing.
[00:10:04]  I just wanted to take a little moment at the beginning here to point out this very clear dynamic, this cycle that's in play.
[00:10:11]  And granted, Alex is talking about the bombing of a Pfizer building or something, which is a bit of a more extreme example, I don't believe for a second Alex wouldn't say that this attack of this assault of people at a vaccine clinic wasn't a false flag.
[00:10:25]  No.
[00:10:25]  It's exactly what he's priming his audience to deny is real.
[00:10:29]  And that's of course why you use the example of blowing up the Pfizer building because that's that sort of like...
[00:10:35]  Hyperbolic straw man that is, well, see, you think that they would go blow up the Pfizer building, not just go fuck around with this place over here, which is more likely to be what they do.
[00:10:46]  You go near home.
[00:10:47]  And, like, blowing up the Pfizer building, if that's, like, your prediction of, like, these are the terrorist attacks, then you kind of have, like, everything less than that covered.
[00:10:57]  Exactly.
[00:10:58]  You don't have to be like, well, you didn't say that.
[00:11:02]  Your prediction wasn't that extreme.
[00:11:04]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:11:04]  So yeah, I find this, I don't know, shitty.
[00:11:11]  It's just the inevitable consequence of allowing this type of shit to fester.
[00:11:16]  That's just what it is.
[00:11:18]  So in the same way that we've just decided that this is how it is for so many different things, I guess this is just how it's going to be for conspiracy.
[00:11:28]  I mean, it's one of the reasons why we talk about like...
[00:11:32]  Why a lot of this rhetoric and these kinds of propaganda disseminating structures are dangerous.
[00:11:39]  Right.
[00:11:39]  This is why.
[00:11:40]  Right.
[00:11:40]  Because these are the things that come from it.
[00:11:43]  Right.
[00:11:44]  And thankfully, I mean, I hate to say this because, I mean, it sounds minimizing and I don't mean it to, but thankfully no one died.
[00:11:50]  Right.
[00:11:51]  And thankfully it was an assault and not like a shooting or a bombing.
[00:11:55]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:11:56]  But it's still, these are the things that happen.
[00:12:00]  Yeah.
[00:12:01]  So, let's go back to 2003, because it's more pleasant.
[00:12:04]  That is a great place to be.
[00:12:05]  Sort of.
[00:12:05]  It's not all that pleasant, though, because Alex is going to have Paul on.
[00:12:08]  Meh.
[00:12:09]  Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:12:11]  It is Tuesday, the 8th of July, 2003.
[00:12:14]  Big show for you lined up today.
[00:12:17]  In the first hour, we have the webmaster of PrisonPlanet.com joining us.
[00:12:23]  He's Paul Joseph Watson.
[00:12:24]  He lives in the United Kingdom.
[00:12:25]  He has a great head on his shoulders for analyzing the New World Order.
[00:12:30]  We're covering and posting pertinent facts and tracking their lies and doing daily flashbacks to show how they put out different propaganda almost on a daily basis now.
[00:12:41]  We'll also talk about his upcoming book, and no, we're not offering it yet, and yes, I'm publishing it, Order Out of Chaos.
[00:12:47]  Talk about a powerful name.
[00:12:49]  Well, it's a powerful book, and it's lengthy.
[00:12:52]  Hearing that clip of its announcement, the Paul Joseph Watson books being released, I realized that I'd never actually read that book.
[00:13:00]  I knew that he had it.
[00:13:01]  I was aware it existed, but I never really felt any real interest to get down to it.
[00:13:05]  I got the sense of what it was about from the title, Order Out of Chaos.
[00:13:09]  I knew this was just going to be about the conspiracy idea of the Hegelian dialectic.
[00:13:12]  Sure.
[00:13:16]  But ultimately, it didn't bring up anything that Alex hasn't talked about on the show already.
[00:13:19]  Everything is a false flag, but it's done by the elites in order to increase their power.
[00:13:24]  You know the drill.
[00:13:25]  Yeah.
[00:13:25]  I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to discuss the specifics of the book, but I realized that about ten pages into it, I had six pages of notes explaining the things that he got wrong.
[00:13:33]  So it felt like this was too big of an undertaking for just a normal episode of our show.
[00:13:37]  That's going to require a Reset Wars kind of situation.
[00:13:40]  Yeah, maybe another day I'll record a 13-hour breakdown review of Paul's book, but that Interesting fun fact, though.
[00:13:47]  This is the only book that appears to ever have been published by AEJ Productions, which of course stands for Alex Emmerich Jones.
[00:13:55]  Alex's own book, 9-11, Descent into Tyranny, was published by a different company called the Progressive Press.
[00:14:01]  This is a publisher that's put out a bunch of books written by Alex's buddy, Webster Tarpley, but also books written by Henry Macow, a dude who is a staunch Holocaust denier and a dude who really just doesn't like the Jews at all.
[00:14:14]  He recently wrote an article titled, quote, The Riddle of Antisemitism.
[00:14:19]  Antisemitism is in quotes, by the way.
[00:14:21]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:21]  I would have expected scare quotes around that one.
[00:14:24]  Yeah, and if you think it's not great, you're correct.
[00:14:27]  Here's how it starts.
[00:14:28]  Quote, anti-Semitism is growing as the COVID scam is correctly identified with organized Jewry, Freemasonry, and communism.
[00:14:35]  I'm gonna sap you right there.
[00:14:37]  No one can justify genocide, but the stigma attached to this term is devious mind control.
[00:14:44]  There's no but!
[00:14:44]  There's no but!
[00:14:45]  Anti-Semitism is legitimate resistance to the pernicious agenda of organized Jewry and Freemasonry, i.e.
[00:14:52]  the New World Order.
[00:14:53]  Bananas!
[00:14:54]  Bananas!
[00:14:55]  A little later, he drops this gem.
[00:14:57]  Most Jews and non-Jews are unaware that since antiquity Jews consistently have been reviled for a good reason.
[00:15:04]  Jews are in a state of willful denial.
[00:15:07]  They don't realize that Judaism is governed by Kabbalah, which is Satanism.
[00:15:11]  The existence of Judaism is to take God's place, destroy Christianity, and dispossess non-Jews.
[00:15:17]  So these are the ideas that he has expressed on a recent basis, but trust me, if you cruise around his website, you'll see that he's had this position his whole career, dating back to when his books were published alongside Alex's.
[00:15:28]  He's also been friends with Leo Zagami for a bit, so that's fun.
[00:15:32]  You know, it's not something that we talk about too often, but there is that element of genocidal rhetoric that always includes the, like...
[00:15:41]  And lest you worry that you can talk to them or even communicate with them, they don't even know.
[00:15:48]  They can't even understand that they're working with the devil, so don't worry about it.
[00:15:53]  Don't worry about communicating with them and asking them any questions, because they can't.
[00:15:56]  Yeah, you're not going to be able to get to the bottom of this by investigating it or your experiences.
[00:16:01]  No point in talking, no point in doing anything.
[00:16:04]  Anyway, back to Paul's book.
[00:16:07]  If you read the dedications, he includes this.
[00:16:09]  Quote, thanks to Alex Jones for awakening me to the New World Order and publishing this book.
[00:16:14]  Man, Paul can't even write the dedications to his book without lying.
[00:16:18]  In a 2013 interview with Luke Radowski from We Are Change, Paul said, quote, don't tell Alex, it was actually David Icke that woke me up.
[00:16:26]  Liar.
[00:16:27]  Wow.
[00:16:28]  Paul didn't have an identity of his own back in 2003, so it's good practice to flatter the person who's willing to advance his career, because it certainly wasn't David Icke at that point.
[00:16:36]  But by 2013, Paul's in a much more secure position.
[00:16:38]  He can give it up to his real intellectual father figure, the turd in the punch bowl himself, David Icke.
[00:16:44]  Yeah, that's something that I'm amazed that someone would admit openly.
[00:16:48]  Honestly.
[00:16:49]  I would prefer to have been woken up by Alex as opposed to David Icke.
[00:16:53]  Well, we'll see if there's a third figure in play as we get through today's episode.

=== RFIDs In Your Clothes? (06:00) ===

[00:16:57]  All right.
[00:16:58]  Okay.
[00:16:58]  So, Paul's going to be coming up on the show, but there's another guest.
[00:17:02]  We've got Catherine Albrecht, the head of Caspian, coming on the show.
[00:17:07]  We had her on a few weeks ago.
[00:17:09]  You know, we were talking about RFIDs before RFIDs were cool, as they say.
[00:17:15]  The small...
[00:17:16]  Trackable microchips are going to go in all your clothes, all your razors, all your food cans and containers, everything.
[00:17:23]  And we told you it was about a control grid to tax and trace you.
[00:17:27]  Well, now, Caspian, their organization, has basically, I don't want to say hacked, but used software to get into internal areas of the big RFID consortium's website and got secret documents.
[00:17:44]  And the RFID group admits they're accurate and are very angry, and they talk about how they want to, quote, manipulate, neutralize, pacify you, and get you to accept the cashless society control grid.
[00:17:57]  I'm really curious about how this isn't hacking, whatever he's describing.
[00:18:01]  No, it sounds right.
[00:18:03]  I have no idea.
[00:18:05]  It's hacking.
[00:18:05]  Sure.
[00:18:05]  I mean, well, in 2003, that's hacking.
[00:18:09]  I'm really confused on the specifics of this.
[00:18:12]  All right, so Captain Crunch, when you use the slide whistle into the payphone, all right, you can mimic the sounds and then you make calls for free.
[00:18:19]  Oh, sure.
[00:18:20]  Hacking.
[00:18:20]  Right.
[00:18:21]  Right.
[00:18:21]  Phone freak.
[00:18:22]  Phone freak.
[00:18:24]  So, first of all, the notion of putting RFID chips in all your clothes to trace you is a fear that probably shouldn't be taken seriously.
[00:18:31]  Is it conceivably possible with the technology?
[00:18:34]  Probably, but what's more important is if it's a practical plan that any evil entity would go for.
[00:18:39]  The hurdles to this kind of scheme would be gigantic, and some of them are pretty much insurmountable.
[00:18:47]  What if they're trying to trace you, but unfortunately put a chip in the pair of pants that you don't like that much, or maybe you grew out of?
[00:18:57]  These are just behavioral concerns, completely leaving aside the absurd technological problems of isolating individual signals that would be coming in if all people's clothes are tagged.
[00:19:07]  No, you also tag the gift receipts, so that way if they return them or give them away, it's contact tracing.
[00:19:14]  Well, but then somebody's got to figure out how to transfer the tag from the gift receipt before the person throws away the receipt.
[00:19:22]  Yeah, that's why you need a hacker.
[00:19:24]  Yeah.
[00:19:24]  So this is 2003, though, and the iPhone hasn't come out yet.
[00:19:28]  Right.
[00:19:28]  So I would imagine that this sort of, like, they're going to track you through your clothes narrative, drop by the wayside once the iPhone showed up.
[00:19:34]  Isn't that so funny?
[00:19:35]  Yeah.
[00:19:36]  Isn't that really funny to go back and be like, guys, a few years later, you would...
[00:19:41]  Beg them to track you.
[00:19:43]  You will wait in line overnight for them to know exactly where you are at all times.
[00:19:48]  Or, like, a couple years later, they probably felt so relieved.
[00:19:53]  They didn't have to do this nonsensical, they're gonna track your shirts thing.
[00:19:58]  Oh, thank God.
[00:19:59]  It's all in one device.
[00:20:01]  This is so much easier.
[00:20:02]  What am I going to do?
[00:20:03]  Tell them about their shoes?
[00:20:04]  Jesus Christ.
[00:20:05]  So Catherine Albrecht is a radio host and a demagogue whose big claim to fame is being on that RFID train real early, and apparently she coined the term spy chips.
[00:20:15]  Ooh, good for her.
[00:20:17]  Which, when I read that, I was like, I don't even recognize that as a popular term.
[00:20:20]  I've never heard of it.
[00:20:20]  Nope.
[00:20:21]  Nope.
[00:20:22]  So she began this organization, Caspian, which sounds a lot better than what it stands for, which is Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.
[00:20:30]  This is a group that advocates that stores shouldn't have frequent shopper cards or loyalty programs, and then it kind of moonlights a bit by fighting off the RFID chip as the mark of the beast.
[00:20:39]  I love this group.
[00:20:41]  I do.
[00:20:43]  Listen, I want more innocuous lunatics.
[00:20:46]  None of this anti-vax stuff.
[00:20:47]  Anti-loyalty programs?
[00:20:49]  I'll fucking join that group.
[00:20:51]  I'm against it.
[00:20:52]  I'm sure there's a way it could go bad.
[00:20:55]  Maybe we haven't explored it too much.
[00:20:58]  Enough to figure out the exact way it harms people.
[00:21:01]  I'm not giving Walgreens my phone number whenever they want me to get a cent off.
[00:21:06]  Fuck that!
[00:21:07]  Joke's on Walgreens.
[00:21:08]  I still have an account in my old phone number.
[00:21:11]  I'll see you in hell!
[00:21:13]  So Alex is trying...
[00:21:15]  I think that he has a bit of an ambivalence about some of the information that the...
[00:21:21]  Might have been gotten by these spy chip people because of the hacking issue.
[00:21:26]  Right, right, right.
[00:21:27]  And so he talks about, like, sort of good hacking and bad hacking.
[00:21:30]  It's great what the technology people on the side of Liberty are able to do.
[00:21:35]  It's like when Orrin Hatch came out and said, hack anybody's computer and destroy it if they download anything that's not authorized.
[00:21:44]  Video, audio.
[00:21:46]  Well, folks just went to Hatch's website and found out that he had pirated software.
[00:21:50]  He'd used pirated software to build his very fancy, expensive website.
[00:21:56]  So there were thousands of dollars.
[00:21:59]  Just one piece of software that they'd stolen cost $400, a serious crime.
[00:22:04]  And so the organization that went in and scanned his site and found out that they didn't have the proper serial numbers for the stuff had stolen it.
[00:22:14]  They're now calling for Hatch to be arrested, and I think it's a great idea.
[00:22:17]  He's a gun-grabbing, un-American liberal, and I'm sick of neocons like him.
[00:22:24]  I don't feel like Alex really wants Hatch to be arrested for downloading things.
[00:22:28]  I think he wants him to be arrested because he disagrees with Alex politically.
[00:22:32]  I'm gonna go with piracy is not, maybe it's just an excuse.
[00:22:36]  Yeah, I get a feeling, yeah, that Alex wants to arrest political enemies, even back in 2003.

=== Call Screener Tensions (15:30) ===

[00:22:41]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:22:42]  Which is cool.
[00:22:43]  It's great.
[00:22:44]  I think it's a good idea to find any excuse to only attack your political enemies.
[00:22:49]  I think that's awesome.
[00:22:50]  Yeah, we should have asked this guy.
[00:22:51]  He's a liberal.
[00:22:52]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:22:53]  What?
[00:22:54]  Fine.
[00:22:55]  So, Alex has this tension back in 2003, and that is, like, I'm on air.
[00:23:02]  I'm talking totally interesting stuff.
[00:23:04]  Sure.
[00:23:04]  I am fascinating.
[00:23:05]  Non-stop.
[00:23:06]  But, off air.
[00:23:08]  Me and my boys who are here in the studio, we have even more interesting and informative conversations.
[00:23:16]  You know, I've said it so many times and it's true because you're calm, you're happy, at least some of the time.
[00:23:24]  During the breaks, we have discussions that are much more entertaining and interesting and informative than we have on the air.
[00:23:33]  And it doesn't matter if I'm doing Real Talk Radio on Saturdays with John Stattmiller or if I'm doing...
[00:23:37]  A show with Michael Trudeau, or I'm just talking to Mark and Matt and Chris and people during the breaks.
[00:23:47]  We were just trying to one-up each other during the last three-minute break with who bought the most fireworks and who had the best mortar shells and cannons before the BATF comes and gets me.
[00:23:59]  That's what they call the big tubes you buy that shoot the professional fireworks.
[00:24:03]  And I was bragging that...
[00:24:05]  I got a special deal because one of my friends runs a fireworks stand, so I got them at cost.
[00:24:11]  But by the time we got off, I got done rattling off the different fireworks we had bought.
[00:24:17]  I believe that Mark and Matt have defeated me.
[00:24:22]  They actually got more fireworks than I did.
[00:24:26]  Talk about informative conversation.
[00:24:28]  That's good shit.
[00:24:30]  Yeah.
[00:24:30]  They argued about who had cooler fireworks.
[00:24:32]  I mean, who?
[00:24:35]  This is quaint.
[00:24:37]  I'm blown away by the stakes here.
[00:24:40]  Right, but it's still a dumb show.
[00:24:42]  Very, very.
[00:24:43]  But it has this vibe of like, we're having fun.
[00:24:49]  Me and my buddies are talking about fireworks.
[00:24:51]  Yeah!
[00:24:51]  Not the fuck it, I quit all the time.
[00:24:54]  I mean, it's weird.
[00:24:56]  It's weird.
[00:24:57]  It is hard to go right back.
[00:24:59]  To a more, I suppose, discreet past.
[00:25:06]  Where three bros can just get together, complain about, or compare fireworks in a...
[00:25:13]  I don't know, non-metaphorical dick measuring contest.
[00:25:18]  And also, this is such a fun topic for them to be talking about because Alex's entire show is about police oppression and all this police state nonsense and it's illegal to have fireworks in Austin and no one cares.
[00:25:31]  No one cares.
[00:25:32]  The police don't oppress you with your fireworks and your cannons.
[00:25:36]  You're just begging for them to oppress you for it.
[00:25:39]  People turn a blind eye because it's understood.
[00:25:42]  Yeah, I mean, what are you gonna do?
[00:25:44]  It's fucking America.
[00:25:46]  You're gonna lose your hand.
[00:25:48]  It undercuts almost his entire...
[00:25:51]  Sort of ideology, or at least a large portion of it.
[00:25:54]  An unspoken agreement between power and not-so can't happen in Alex's world.
[00:26:03]  Well, because they're looking for every opportunity to jam you up.
[00:26:05]  Especially if it's your political ideology that is in need of being jammed up.
[00:26:10]  And if your political ideology involves...
[00:26:14]  Combustible things.
[00:26:15]  Yes.
[00:26:16]  Whether it's a gun or a firework.
[00:26:18]  Yeah.
[00:26:19]  If they're so obsessed with taking away your guns, you'd think cannons would be a little bit up there.
[00:26:24]  You'd think so.
[00:26:25]  Yeah.
[00:26:26]  Turns out, they're not.
[00:26:28]  Okay.
[00:26:28]  Anyway, you know, Alex, I can relate to what he's about to get into here.
[00:26:34]  He sometimes loses the fire for his job, you know?
[00:26:39]  Sometimes loses the fire.
[00:26:42]  Can't...
[00:26:43]  Get enthusiastic about what he's doing.
[00:26:45]  Sometimes I run into that.
[00:26:46]  Sometimes I run into a wall where Alex keeps quitting his show and having outbursts.
[00:26:51]  It's a little bit difficult.
[00:26:52]  I lose the fire to talk about it.
[00:26:53]  It's the same thing over and over again.
[00:26:55]  It really can.
[00:26:55]  But Alex has a tried and true method for getting that fire back.
[00:27:00]  And I kind of admire this.
[00:27:03]  You know, sometimes I get tired.
[00:27:05]  Sometimes I just for a few seconds will lose the fire.
[00:27:09]  The will and the desire to get on the radio and to do interviews morning, noon, and night, and to do my own syndicated show, and I sometimes lose the fire to make a new documentary film, or I lose the fire in my belly to sit there for hours every night reading news stories on the news wires.
[00:27:29]  But I always get the fire back if I just turn on CNN or Fox or if I listen to talk radio.
[00:27:37]  And yesterday, I went over to News Talk 1260, KWNX, the great affiliate that picks up my show here in Austin.
[00:27:48]  And I drove over there, met with the great folks.
[00:27:52]  We talked about the New World Order.
[00:27:54]  People shared news stories with me.
[00:27:57]  I had great discussions with them.
[00:28:00]  And then I get back in my car, and I'm listening to that station, and I flip over to see what the other station's doing.
[00:28:07]  And stuck in traffic, I listened to 30 minutes of the host saying that every child needs vaccines.
[00:28:15]  It should be illegal not to take vaccines.
[00:28:17]  Everybody should be forced to take all the new vaccines.
[00:28:20]  This is on the other station.
[00:28:23]  And how wonderful the vaccines are and how there's all these conspiracy theorists that think vaccines are bad for you.
[00:28:30]  And so I said, you know, I'm going to call into this station.
[00:28:33]  And of course, everybody knows my voice.
[00:28:35]  And I can successfully call into some local stations if I call in and go, oh, yes, I'd like to talk to the host, please.
[00:28:42]  You know, a lot of folks talk like this.
[00:28:44]  Alex, is this you?
[00:28:44]  So I can get on the air.
[00:28:46]  Yes.
[00:28:47]  So Alex, whenever he loses the fire...
[00:28:49]  He listens to other stations to get pissed off, and then he calls in using a dumb voice.
[00:28:54]  Man, the fire is just anger.
[00:28:56]  That's so sad.
[00:28:57]  Well, I think it's probably pretty obvious by this point.
[00:29:01]  Right.
[00:29:01]  It's not really a revelation.
[00:29:02]  But I mean, just anger.
[00:29:03]  Sure.
[00:29:04]  Just anger.
[00:29:05]  That's what you need to get the fire.
[00:29:07]  Never, never, nothing else.
[00:29:09]  He needs to be poked.
[00:29:11]  By something, and sometimes people aren't poking him, and so he needs to poke himself by...
[00:29:15]  Right, right, right.
[00:29:16]  He's like slapping himself in the face, like, I gotta get up for this!
[00:29:19]  Get amped.
[00:29:19]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:20]  So he tries to call in doing this dumb voice, but sometimes this doesn't work.
[00:29:24]  I can't believe it.
[00:29:25]  Well, not because people are like, hey, this is Alex, but sometimes it's just like call screeners don't want to put him on the air.
[00:29:30]  Of course not.
[00:29:31]  And this, I think, is a problem for the Constitution.
[00:29:35]  And the call screener goes, what do you want to discuss?
[00:29:40]  And I said, well, I want to talk about, and of course in the fake voice, well, because they know what you mean, I won't get on the air.
[00:29:47]  Well, I'd like to discuss, bring up that he's saying there's no dangers of vaccines.
[00:29:52]  It's admitted that SV40 in many of the vaccines, not just the polio vaccine, is a dangerous cancer-causing virus.
[00:30:00]  They admit it's caused all these new forms of cancer.
[00:30:03]  This is admitted by major medical establishments, University of Chicago.
[00:30:07]  He goes, what else?
[00:30:09]  And I said, well, I said, autism's up 2,000%, and some of it could be misdiagnosis or more diagnosis, but a lot of it has been proven to the additives of the vaccine.
[00:30:21]  They've admitted that.
[00:30:21]  George Bush had the vaccine record sealed and tried to sign an executive order and then passed a law that got repealed, by the way.
[00:30:28]  I didn't tell him that part.
[00:30:30]  Last year, guarding the vaccine maker.
[00:30:32]  So I said this to him, and of course I had something cogent to say, and he said, nope, I'm sorry, we're not going to let you on the air.
[00:30:37]  And I said, why not?
[00:30:39]  And he said, well, I just don't agree with what you're saying.
[00:30:42]  And I said, but it doesn't matter if you agree.
[00:30:44]  It doesn't matter if you agree with what I'm saying, sir.
[00:30:46]  I'd like a chance to talk.
[00:30:48]  And he said, nope.
[00:30:49]  And I said, so there's no free speech on this station.
[00:30:53]  Now, understand, I'm not talking about News Talk 1260 KWNX.
[00:30:56]  I'm talking about this other station owned by the president's family, the president from Austin, we'll just say that, that, by the way, just got sold to a big conglomerate.
[00:31:07]  They've always been totally New World Order, neocon, you know, liberal stuff on the slide.
[00:31:11]  They're owned by Democrats.
[00:31:13]  So it's owned by Bush.
[00:31:15]  Right.
[00:31:15]  But it's not, because it got sold to a conglomerate.
[00:31:18]  Sure.
[00:31:18]  Or whatever.
[00:31:19]  Yeah.
[00:31:19]  What are you talking about?
[00:31:21]  If I'm this call screener, I'm not letting this dude on the air either.
[00:31:24]  I appreciate...
[00:31:26]  Many parts of this call screener.
[00:31:28]  Sounds sinister at the beginning.
[00:31:31]  I appreciate how it's somehow a slimy call screamer, which I did not know existed, like a Jafar of call screeners.
[00:31:39]  These call screeners are on a power trip.
[00:31:41]  I have many plans for my eventual screen calls.
[00:31:46]  Sure, I'll let you on the air, but you must solve a riddle.
[00:31:50]  Second, clearly the patience with which that call screener listened to Alex both In and out of his accent, because I very strongly doubt he could keep it up for that consistent length of time.
[00:32:02]  So that call screener definitely heard Alex drop it and then repeat it in the voice.
[00:32:08]  Still managed to get through the whole thing.
[00:32:10]  Even asked a follow-up question.
[00:32:12]  What else, dum-dum?
[00:32:14]  I have a spoiler for you.
[00:32:15]  What's that?
[00:32:15]  That call screener interaction didn't happen.
[00:32:19]  Or at least it certainly didn't happen like that.
[00:32:21]  No.
[00:32:22]  I will guarantee that.
[00:32:24]  What else?
[00:32:24]  But if I were a call screener and I were trying to run a professional program, I would not let somebody on the air who's just going to clearly try and derail things.
[00:32:35]  With nonsense conspiracies that we don't need to...
[00:32:38]  We've gone over a hundred times.
[00:32:40]  Yeah, no, of course.
[00:32:41]  And that does sound like something you would say because you hate the Constitution and the Founding Fathers who died for your right to go on any radio show whenever you want to say whatever you want.
[00:32:54]  Right.
[00:32:55]  That's what it's about.
[00:32:56]  It's freedom of speech.
[00:32:57]  First Amendment, the number one amendment.
[00:32:59]  Well, I think it's really revealing that this is his understanding of the Constitution and what...
[00:33:05]  Free speech means that radio stations must let you on air.
[00:33:10]  If Benjamin Franklin got to post his dumb shit in a newspaper under a fake-ass name, I get to call into WNPP and say bullshit.
[00:33:21]  But what if, like, they can only take six calls and your call are eight or whatever?
[00:33:26]  I mean, I don't understand how that is even possible.
[00:33:30]  Right.
[00:33:31]  So dumb.
[00:33:32]  The Second Amendment was about abolishing time limits.
[00:33:34]  So dumb.
[00:33:35]  Yeah.
[00:33:35]  But, like, he really means this.
[00:33:38]  And so I say to him, I said, so there's no First Amendment on your station?
[00:33:42]  And he goes, that's right.
[00:33:43]  And slammed the phone down.
[00:33:44]  So I then get on the phone, whole three or four people, including my wife.
[00:33:50]  And guess what?
[00:33:51]  He wouldn't let any of them on in every caller but one.
[00:33:55]  I mean, they probably took 15 calls.
[00:33:58]  Said it's bad.
[00:33:59]  Everybody should be vaccinated.
[00:34:00]  It's wrong.
[00:34:01]  People are kooks.
[00:34:02]  A couple things.
[00:34:02]  I'm going to guess that most of those four people didn't actually call in.
[00:34:06]  Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and throw that one in the pot.
[00:34:10]  Yeah, Alex, they didn't let me on.
[00:34:12]  I tried to call three times!
[00:34:14]  Second, Alex is saying they took 15 calls and one of them was someone who was opposed to vaccines.
[00:34:20]  So that kind of hurts his argument that they weren't letting anybody on.
[00:34:24]  Well...
[00:34:25]  Maybe they just had, like, I'm not going to let someone on who's spouting bullshit.
[00:34:29]  No, I'm not going to let somebody on who knows what they're talking about.
[00:34:31]  I want somebody who's going to make those people look stupid.
[00:34:35]  Sure.
[00:34:36]  Free speech, though.
[00:34:37]  Yeah.
[00:34:38]  Cool.
[00:34:38]  First Amendment.
[00:34:39]  Very, very interesting.
[00:34:41]  I would say that for somebody who loves the Constitution, someone who would die for the Constitution is a First Amendment absolutist.
[00:34:52]  Absolutist.
[00:34:53]  He doesn't know shit about what...
[00:34:54]  Well, I mean, just because he believes that that station, because it disagrees with them, should be taken off the air forever by the federal government doesn't mean he doesn't believe in the First Amendment, Dan!
[00:35:05]  It's just outrageous.
[00:35:06]  Yeah!
[00:35:06]  So, he was talking about vaccines a little bit there, and that's certainly relevant to our times.
[00:35:11]  Sure.
[00:35:12]  Even going back to 2003, Alex has had a very strange...
[00:35:17]  Because he really desperately doesn't want to be seen as anti-vax as a whole.
[00:35:22]  Because that's admittedly very dumb.
[00:35:26]  Yeah.
[00:35:26]  Trying to say that inoculation to things doesn't work is a really tough climb.
[00:35:34]  Yeah.
[00:35:34]  Denying the actual science of vaccination is...
[00:35:37]  That's a game that Alex doesn't want to play.
[00:35:40]  I mean, when your conversation goes like this, vaccines don't work.
[00:35:43]  Do you have polio?
[00:35:45]  Alright, so they work sometimes.
[00:35:46]  Then you can't be all the anti-vacs.
[00:35:48]  Let's look at all of the numbers of diseases that have essentially been eradicated.
[00:35:52]  Yeah, let's go down the list.
[00:35:54]  Okay, fine.
[00:35:55]  Well, they worked back then.
[00:35:56]  Whatever.
[00:35:57]  I guess that's one angle you could take, although it'd be tough to figure out what exactly is different.
[00:36:02]  And so the game that Alex likes to play is like, I would love it if vaccines were cool.
[00:36:07]  I would love it.
[00:36:08]  Totally.
[00:36:09]  But evil people make them.
[00:36:11]  Oh no!
[00:36:11]  No!
[00:36:12]  Right.
[00:36:14]  Vaccines, if they were produced properly by trustworthy organizations, not eugenics-obsessed Nazis, publicly funding extermination programs worldwide against the third world and being caught doing it to the vaccines, official government plans, Australian, U.S., Canadian, British, to do this.
[00:36:34]  We didn't have all the reports.
[00:36:36]  The mercury and the mycoplasms and the cancer viruses and the weird hormones and the UN getting caught sterilizing women with a tetanus shot that had a hormone added.
[00:36:48]  I mean, this is all admitted.
[00:36:50]  But yeah, we have companies that can be trusted in four or five groups, independently tested the vaccine lots, and yes, vaccines can be a good thing.
[00:36:58]  You can give yourself an immunity.
[00:37:02]  But there's no substitute for being healthy.
[00:37:06]  So I'm not talking about these specific things that he's bringing up and rattling off, because they're all things that we've discussed in the past, and it's all nonsense.
[00:37:14]  But I think the crowning nonsense is this idea that there would ever be...
[00:37:21]  Some kind of an organization that is trustworthy enough for Alex.
[00:37:25]  Totally.
[00:37:25]  They're like, oh yeah, they're great.
[00:37:28]  You know, like, hey, look, all of these other companies and scientists and public health non-governmental organizations, they're all fucking eugenicists who are trying to kill everybody off.
[00:37:40]  But this one...
[00:37:41]  They're the good guys.
[00:37:42]  Nailed it.
[00:37:43]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[00:37:44]  What we need is a patriot vaccine maker.
[00:37:48]  It's such a fucking trap because here's how exhausted you get with them, and that's why they win.
[00:37:54]  That's why they've won for the past 30 years, or 40 years, is they will say anything, and then you go, okay, fine, fine.

=== Shots Fired: Sutton's Weirdo Argument (12:47) ===

[00:38:04]  What does it take for you to just shut up?
[00:38:07]  Okay?
[00:38:08]  If you're an organization, fine.
[00:38:10]  You give us rules, and we'll fucking do them.
[00:38:13]  Just shut up.
[00:38:14]  Well, I need my dad to run Pfizer.
[00:38:16]  And then you're like, well, what the...
[00:38:17]  What the fuck is this shit?
[00:38:18]  You're just never gonna shut up, are you?
[00:38:20]  I've already agreed to do whatever it was to tell you to shut up, and now you won't shut up?
[00:38:23]  What the fuck am I supposed to do?
[00:38:25]  My dad needs to be in charge of Pfizer.
[00:38:26]  He was a dentist.
[00:38:27]  There's no way to make you shut up.
[00:38:29]  There's no way to make you shut up.
[00:38:30]  He was a dentist.
[00:38:31]  God damn it!
[00:38:32]  That means he can run another vaccine company.
[00:38:34]  That doesn't make any sense!
[00:38:35]  Alright, so we're gonna put him in charge.
[00:38:36]  Alright, fine.
[00:38:37]  Second in command, Mike Adams, the health ranger.
[00:38:40]  Well, obviously, he was our second pick, too.
[00:38:43]  He gives a lot of great advice.
[00:38:45]  Third...
[00:38:46]  Of course...
[00:38:48]  Let's get a weirdo.
[00:38:49]  Let's get a real weirdo.
[00:38:50]  I don't know.
[00:38:51]  No rules.
[00:38:53]  Just a real weirdo.
[00:38:54]  Everybody votes on the weirdest weirdo we can find.
[00:38:57]  That's number three.
[00:38:58]  Who's nuts?
[00:38:59]  Elected position every four years.
[00:39:04]  I don't know, Lord Moncton?
[00:39:06]  Yeah, get him in there!
[00:39:07]  He's a climate change denier, but he's strange.
[00:39:10]  Fine!
[00:39:11]  Just shut up!
[00:39:13]  So the problem that Alex has really is that the globalists are trying to make more and more vaccines mandatory.
[00:39:20]  And we've got a government that's trying to make dozens of new ones every year mandatory.
[00:39:25]  In fact, there was an article last week about how they want now a whole new class of shots to be given.
[00:39:31]  They're talking about making an anti-smoking vaccine mandatory.
[00:39:34]  They were talking about making an Alzheimer's vaccine mandatory.
[00:39:37]  If they could get approval, then it killed a bunch of the people that took it so they'd buy it.
[00:39:41]  There was an Alzheimer's vaccine candidate that was in trials in 2003, which unfortunately did cause some serious side effects, and the trials were abandoned.
[00:39:49]  I say unfortunately because follow-up studies of people in those trials found that it, quote, halted and even reversed the brain disease in some who got the shots.
[00:39:58]  Obviously, there are severe side effects, and if that's the case like it was in this case with 18 out of 300 patients getting brain inflammation, it may not be something that you can justify going any further with.
[00:40:10]  But the idea that there was some promise for a cure there was really exciting.
[00:40:14]  Anybody who's had a loved one with Alzheimer's could tell you that it's a pretty hellish prospect, or it can be, and a vaccine would be huge.
[00:40:21]  The lessons learned from these trials informed further research, and it's still ongoing, with a new trial beginning in late 2021 for a nasally administered vaccine that...
[00:40:33]  There's prospects.
[00:40:34]  There's things that are happening.
[00:40:35]  It's very exciting.
[00:40:36]  Sure.
[00:40:36]  There have been nicotine vaccines that have been developed, but a 2008 article in the journal Expert Opinion on Biological Therapy, it discusses the state of these vaccines, and it found that, quote, although these therapies have had some success, relapse within a year is still high.
[00:40:51]  So it's not really a strategy that people think is like, this is where we're going to go.
[00:40:57]  I think one of the big problems that we have with vaccinations is that easy slip into like, oh, these are mandatory vaccinations.
[00:41:06]  The way we should sell it to people is with like, hey, guess what?
[00:41:10]  We're going to eradicate a disease this year.
[00:41:12]  I don't even think you need to go down this path of conversation because...
[00:41:16]  First of all, there's not anybody who was a serious voice in 2003 advocating that either of these vaccines be mandatory for people to take.
[00:41:23]  That's just not a position that happened.
[00:41:25]  Of course not.
[00:41:25]  That's a fake point Alex is creating to argue against because these specifics help him bolster this idea that every year dozens more vaccines become mandatory, which is nonsense.
[00:41:35]  Right.
[00:41:35]  And I don't think we should make them mandatory.
[00:41:37]  I think we should all come together and eradicate the disease together.
[00:41:41]  I think if that framing is what you want to use, that's great, but also you need to know that the federal government doesn't require any vaccines.
[00:41:48]  That's a state-level issue, which is why the ability for people to get various exemptions for things like school-related vaccines, it varies wildly from state to state.
[00:41:57]  I don't know.
[00:42:15]  Crazy.
[00:42:15]  Now, the idea with what Biden's doing with the vaccine mandate is slightly different in the current day, but I don't think that you can make an analogy between some of these things like measles or mumps and rubella shots that some states require for people to go to school and an active pandemic.
[00:42:39]  I think that there are relevant differences there.
[00:42:42]  But what Alex is complaining about in 2003, this notion that the government is trying to make vaccines mandatory, that exists on a state level, and based on Alex's politics, he should have no problem with that, even if he's opposed to these vaccines, because the states get to choose these things, and if you don't like it, you can move to another state.
[00:43:03]  I'm not saying that that's a good answer to things, but based on Alex's politics and his positions on other things, that's...
[00:43:10]  What he should believe.
[00:43:11]  It's almost like this whole separation between federal and state government is kind of arbitrary based upon whatever it is he feels like his position should be in at any given point in time.
[00:43:20]  You bet.
[00:43:21]  Yeah.
[00:43:21]  And also, he has to pretend that it's not a state thing.
[00:43:27]  He has to pretend that it's the man in the federal government is trying to force you to get these shots because otherwise his argument falls apart.
[00:43:34]  That's just so unfair.
[00:43:36]  That's unfair.
[00:43:37]  You should have to...
[00:43:38]  Look, if a mandate happens, you get to play that card.
[00:43:43]  You can't just play a joker.
[00:43:45]  That's not fair.
[00:43:46]  There's got to be rules to the game.
[00:43:47]  You can't just make up it's a federal thing.
[00:43:50]  That's unfair.
[00:43:51]  I don't like it.
[00:43:52]  Well, that's what happens when you deal with liars.
[00:43:54]  Yeah.
[00:43:54]  So, Paul.
[00:43:56]  Joseph Watson.
[00:43:57]  Hey.
[00:43:58]  PJ Dubbs.
[00:43:58]  Is he going to be heavily edited?
[00:44:00]  The Apostle Paul shows up.
[00:44:02]  Oh, no.
[00:44:03]  No, he's not heavily edited, because this is 2003, and this guy's not ready for primetime yet.
[00:44:07]  He has not figured out his thing.
[00:44:10]  But Alex gives him quite a long introduction that I think is really dumb.
[00:44:15]  Now, Paul Joseph Watson, I became aware of his work a couple years ago when he started PropagandaMatrix.com.
[00:44:23]  And I don't work with a lot of people, because a lot of folks get off into conspiracy theories, things they can't prove, they're leftward-leaning, they're rightward-leaning, they're not constitutionalists.
[00:44:36]  Alright.
[00:44:37]  Go fuck yourself.
[00:44:39]  I don't work with many people because they're conspiracy theorists.
[00:44:42]  No, no, no, no.
[00:44:43]  Get the fuck out of here.
[00:44:45]  Also, you don't work with people because they're not constitutionalists, but you work with Paul.
[00:44:50]  He's British!
[00:44:51]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:44:52]  That's because he loves the Constitution so much.
[00:44:54]  Alex has already revealed he doesn't know what the First Amendment is, and now he's talking about a constitutionalist who lives in England.
[00:44:59]  Yeah, it's the best place to be a constitutionalist.
[00:45:02]  Deal with the British issues, Paul.
[00:45:04]  Come on, they don't even have a constitution.
[00:45:06]  Alright, whatever.
[00:45:07]  So anyway, Paul, the intro goes on.
[00:45:11]  Most Americans now have heard the government carried out 9-1-1.
[00:45:14]  Many Americans have investigated it and found out that it is in fact the truth.
[00:45:20]  And just like Galileo was a kook for saying the world was round, just a decade later after his death, people, most people knew that it was round and you were a kook to say it was flat.
[00:45:31]  So joining us is another radical.
[00:45:34]  A man who believes the world is round and believes the sun comes up in the morning and believes government is corrupt and needs to be watched and contained, Paul Joseph Watson.
[00:45:44]  Paul, thanks for joining us from the United Kingdom.
[00:45:46]  Hello, Alex.
[00:45:47]  Great to be on the air today.
[00:45:48]  You bet.
[00:45:49]  You like that introduction?
[00:45:51]  Yeah, very good.
[00:45:52]  It's an accurate introduction, my friend.
[00:45:54]  So you better watch what I say.
[00:45:56]  No, you're doing a great job.
[00:45:57]  Hey, today on the show we've got British Galileo.
[00:46:00]  You like that introduction?
[00:46:02]  You like that one?
[00:46:03]  Give me compliments for complimenting you.
[00:46:06]  I nailed that, right?
[00:46:07]  I was so good.
[00:46:09]  I was amazing at introducing you.
[00:46:13]  I'm so good at it.
[00:46:14]  So earlier, when we were discussing the dedications of Paul's book, I mentioned that he's given two different stories about who woke him up at different points in his career.
[00:46:24]  Now, in this interview, he might have another third.
[00:46:27]  I teased this.
[00:46:29]  He has a third individual.
[00:46:31]  All right.
[00:46:31]  Paul, tell us about briefly how you woke up to the New World Order.
[00:46:35]  Galileo.
[00:46:36]  Why you started your website, what we do at Prison Planet.
[00:46:38]  Then let's talk about the news coming out in England and the death camps, the national ID cards, the gun confiscation.
[00:46:47]  What?
[00:46:48]  Yeah, coming out in England.
[00:46:49]  Developing with a police state there.
[00:46:51]  And then I want to get into the weapons of mass destruction and 911.
[00:46:54]  But first off, what woke up...
[00:46:57]  To be clear, we'll get to his answer to this question first.
[00:46:59]  They do not get into death camps in England.
[00:47:01]  I was going to say, did Blair oversee death camps that I wasn't aware of at the time?
[00:47:05]  They do not come back to that at all.
[00:47:07]  I was very curious.
[00:47:09]  That needs to be addressed.
[00:47:11]  Yeah, that doesn't happen.
[00:47:12]  What turned the light bulb on in Paul Joseph Watson's brain?
[00:47:17]  Well, this ties into something you were discussing just a few minutes ago, actually.
[00:47:23]  The idea of paradigm management or paradigm control.
[00:47:28]  Basically, I woke up to the New World Order by realising that both left and right were controlled because originally I got into politics in the first place through the liberal channel, basically.
[00:47:40]  Then I started to read some books which proved that both the left and the right were controlled, especially in relation to the biggest example that we can provide, which is the Cold War.
[00:47:52]  Obviously, we know the work of Anthony Sutton, who's done a great job.
[00:47:57]  Now, deceased, sadly, but he did a great job in exposing the fact that the communists were actually funded from New York by the Capitol.
[00:48:05]  So, part of the thing that woke up, Paul, was the realization that the left and the right are funded by the same folks, and that comes from him reading the work of Anthony Sutton.
[00:48:15]  And he was worked generously.
[00:48:17]  Sudden is most known for writing three books known as the Wall Street Trilogy.
[00:48:21]  Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution is about Wall Street funding communism, Wall Street and FDR is about funding FDR, and Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler is about funding of the Nazi Party.
[00:48:31]  Though exciting and full of insinuation and rumor, these books have been absolutely trashed by historians who have reviewed them, with one summing up the Bolshevik book this way.
[00:48:41]  He tells us nothing new.
[00:48:43]  He does repeat unsubstantiated allegations, cite irrelevant facts, make unwarranted conclusions, and record it all in an appallingly pedestrian style.
[00:48:53]  Ouch.
[00:48:53]  Ouch.
[00:48:54]  Yeah.
[00:48:55]  A little snippy at the end.
[00:48:56]  Had to throw that appalling in there.
[00:48:58]  Yeah.
[00:48:59]  None of the three sources that Paul has cited as being the source of his awakening are in any way respectable.
[00:49:04]  David Icke is a lunatic, Alex is a narcissistic liar, and Anthony Sutton's work is critically flawed and boils down to unconfirmed conspiracy nonsense.
[00:49:14]  This is bad.
[00:49:15]  I mean, it doesn't get more Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, though.
[00:49:19]  That's a pretty solid Trinity right there.
[00:49:22]  So that would make...
[00:49:23]  Oh, this is bad, though.
[00:49:24]  Who's the father?
[00:49:25]  I'm going to go with David Icke.
[00:49:27]  Yeah, Icke.
[00:49:27]  The son is Alex, and then the Holy Ghost is Sutton, because I assume he's dead.
[00:49:32]  Yeah, Sutton.
[00:49:33]  Paul just said he's dead.
[00:49:34]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:49:35]  So there we go.
[00:49:36]  Yeah.
[00:49:36]  All right.
[00:49:37]  Yeah, Alex would probably buck at the idea of being the son.
[00:49:40]  Oh, come on!
[00:49:41]  You get to be Jesus in this situation.
[00:49:43]  But he'd be the son to David Icke's father?
[00:49:45]  Oh, the turd in the punch bowl.
[00:49:46]  It does make sense for him to be the son of a turd.
[00:49:49]  But it also, it's interesting to me.
[00:49:51]  I wonder if in 2003, if Alex had that same negative opinion of David Icke.
[00:49:57]  Because I know that by periods around 2009, 2010, he was having David Icke on a bit.
[00:50:06]  Yeah.
[00:50:06]  And they had sort of had some sort of detente.
[00:50:10]  Right.
[00:50:10]  I think that's tough because, you know, as a bipolar person, I like to keep a mood tracker to know if I'm going out of whack, you know?
[00:50:18]  And Alex has that relationship with David Icke, I feel like.
[00:50:21]  On a day-to-day basis, it's like, like him, don't like him.
[00:50:25]  He's an eight today, and he's a two.
[00:50:27]  You know what I'm saying?

=== Kozlov's 1959 Grove Visit (10:48) ===

[00:50:28]  How far have things gone afield?
[00:50:30]  Exactly.
[00:50:30]  It depends on what your opinion of David Icke is.
[00:50:32]  A day-to-day, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:34]  So, Paul has a little bit of a primary source to bring up about this idea that all people are controlled by the same parties.
[00:50:43]  All right.
[00:50:43]  And I've just recently found an article which hasn't been online or anywhere that I've seen, and it's way back in 1959, and it's from the Wisconsin Daily Journal.
[00:50:57]  And the title of the article is Kozlov leaving California for Chile, Detroit.
[00:51:02]  And it's an Associated Press article, and it goes on to explain how Kozlov, Romanovich Kozlov, who was Khrushchev's right-hand man, was invited in 1959 to Bohemian Grove.
[00:51:16]  Obviously, your listeners are well aware of Bohemian Grove.
[00:51:20]  And the quote in this Associated Press article is that he was wined and dined by the capitalist.
[00:51:26]  And...
[00:51:28]  Ooh!
[00:51:28]  Actually stated that...
[00:51:32]  Into the first day of his trip saying business will be good is the quote.
[00:51:36]  And he was obviously discussing this with the capitalists.
[00:51:39]  So we have Khrushchev's right-hand man at the height of the Cold War meeting with New York bankers at Bohemian Grove.
[00:51:47]  So it is true that Kozlov was at Bohemian Grove in 1959, but here's the question we really need to be asking ourselves.
[00:51:54]  If newspapers were reporting on the fact that a Russian guy was a guest at Bohemian Grove in 1959, how secret was this whole thing, really?
[00:52:02]  Did Alex really do anything to expose the Grove to the world, or was it something people reported on freely like 20 years before he was even born?
[00:52:11]  You can find an article from 1959 even in the New York Times about Kozlov's visit to the Grove, which according to Alex's mythology should absolutely have never happened.
[00:52:20]  They were trying to keep his shit under wraps.
[00:52:22]  No, they made a mistake this one time and then 40 years went by and nobody knew.
[00:52:27]  They were desperately trying to pretend it didn't exist.
[00:52:29]  Never happened.
[00:52:30]  Didn't.
[00:52:31]  So little known fact to folks who listen to Alex Jones.
[00:52:34]  Actually, the land that Bohemian Grove sits on was originally part of a Russian colony that dated back to 1812.
[00:52:41]  Fishermen had attempted to form a foothold in America, the Russians, and they had formed a colony.
[00:52:46]  It was a huge bust, though, as competition from other colonists led to the decimation of sea otter populations, and the Russians ended up withdrawing in 1841, selling off the land to Johann Augustus Sutter.
[00:52:58]  Sutter would go on to find gold on the land and strike it rich.
[00:53:01]  Oh my god, those dumb Russians.
[00:53:03]  So the grove is on part of this land, and one of the big tip-offs to this is that the river that's there is actually called the Russian River.
[00:53:12]  The Times article about this even includes the lyrics of a song that they sing at the Grove called Lament.
[00:53:18]  Here are some of the lyrics.
[00:53:19]  Quote, Why did the Russians leave it and go back to the snow?
[00:53:23]  Why did they leave this bit of heaven?
[00:53:24]  We'll never, never know.
[00:53:26]  This New York Times article has lyrics of things that they sing at the Grove.
[00:53:30]  There's some inside shit in this article.
[00:53:34]  Newspapers used to be more fun.
[00:53:36]  But like, the access...
[00:53:38]  That's clear.
[00:53:39]  This is written by somebody who was there.
[00:53:42]  Right, right, right.
[00:53:43]  You're telling me sea shanties from the Bohemian Grove.
[00:53:46]  Yes, I get it.
[00:53:47]  This is silly.
[00:53:48]  This isn't like...
[00:53:49]  in 1959 there's this article that's like pretty in-depth discussion of stuff that had gone on there which completely runs counter to Alex's idea that like oh people would have to look in with binoculars There was still like five or six more years before Nixon would show up and get a handy.
[00:54:09]  So, you know, it's still not secret yet.
[00:54:11]  That's the thing.
[00:54:12]  Anyway, look, the conflict between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, particularly in times around 1959, was one that we needed diplomacy to handle.
[00:54:20]  They were our enemies on some level, but there wasn't a state of outright hostilities.
[00:54:25]  So the idea that a politician like Kozlov would be on a diplomatic visit to the United States, which he was, and while he was here he'd be invited to the Grove, none of that seems weird at all.
[00:54:35]  I guess for Paul, though, it serves as proof that the U.S. and the Soviet Union were just faking the Cold War.
[00:54:40]  Wait, wait, wait.
[00:54:41]  Wait, I don't understand.
[00:54:43]  What's diplomacy?
[00:54:44]  You get the person that you're in competition with or even at war with and you talk to them?
[00:54:50]  I thought war was about totally eliminating the existence of your enemy, Dan.
[00:54:54]  It's mostly about screaming.
[00:54:57]  Okay, well that's better.
[00:54:58]  I think that's one of the things we've learned from Alex over the years.
[00:55:01]  That sounds about right.
[00:55:02]  Yeah, and I mean, you can even find in the Department of State, their Foreign Relations Journal, you can find a long transcription of a conversation that Kozlov and Eisenhower had.
[00:55:17]  Yeah.
[00:55:17]  And it's just, I mean, it's diplomatic.
[00:55:20]  How you guys been?
[00:55:21]  Doing good.
[00:55:22]  Yeah.
[00:55:23]  You go fishing a lot.
[00:55:24]  We got this song.
[00:55:26]  The Grove people sing and it's depressing.
[00:55:28]  It's great.
[00:55:29]  It's all about how you guys are fools.
[00:55:31]  We miss you, but also we've got your gold.
[00:55:33]  In that New York Times article, there's also a conversation about how...
[00:55:39]  He was very impressed by the vineyards in California, but also thought that the Russians could teach them how to be more productive.
[00:55:47]  Great.
[00:55:48]  Which is ironic, because he ended up being thrown out of office for being a drunk later on, and then Brezhnev took over.
[00:55:55]  See, again, that's why you gotta be like Alex and be your own boss.
[00:55:58]  Right.
[00:55:59]  Yeah, you can't have the...
[00:56:01]  You think Putin's getting thrown out for being a drunk?
[00:56:04]  No, sir.
[00:56:05]  Uh-uh.
[00:56:06]  So, Alex gets into...
[00:56:08]  Some conversation about this left and right thing.
[00:56:12]  And I honestly think that this is a short clip, but it's one of the most revealing things in order to understand Alex's politics.
[00:56:21]  And then conservatives see liberals against a war.
[00:56:24]  They know the liberals are bad, so they think, oh, the war must be good.
[00:56:27]  Again, that's how paradigm management works.
[00:56:29]  When actually Bill Clinton wanted to go into Iraq.
[00:56:31]  Bill Clinton went into Serbia.
[00:56:33]  Bill Clinton went into all these countries too, but they were for it then, weren't they?
[00:56:36]  Who's they?
[00:56:37]  I mean, there were plenty of people on the left who were opposed to wars under Bush as they were under Clinton.
[00:56:45]  Name one American war that the American left has stood up against and, like, name one.
[00:56:52]  Like, what?
[00:56:53]  Vietnam?
[00:56:54]  No.
[00:56:55]  Korea?
[00:56:56]  Definitely not.
[00:56:57]  We'll get into some ideas about the opposition to the Vietnam War a little later.
[00:57:01]  Desert Storm?
[00:57:02]  Never.
[00:57:02]  I think that Alex is trying to play games here with the appearance that under Clinton, the left didn't oppose the war.
[00:57:10]  And maybe some people in office didn't.
[00:57:13]  Maybe some of them fell in line.
[00:57:15]  But in terms of anti-war activists, people who, you know, that's...
[00:57:19]  They had the same position.
[00:57:21]  Yeah, it's unusual to see fascists on the picket line trying to stop wars.
[00:57:25]  Yeah.
[00:57:26]  So, also, in that clip, I think you see one of the most universal hallmarks of Alex's politics.
[00:57:31]  He sincerely believes that everyone makes decisions on what to support or oppose based on what the people they're against think.
[00:57:38]  If my villains are in favor of something, it must be bad, so I'm against it.
[00:57:41]  If my villains oppose something, it must be good, so I'm all about it.
[00:57:45]  Alex believes that other people think this way because that's how he thinks.
[00:57:49]  The difference for him is that the enemy he has is completely imaginary and their preferences are just things that he's decided he's decoded from reading headlines.
[00:57:58]  Through using his psychic intuition, Alex has figured out what the globalists are in favor of and this is what he opposes.
[00:58:04]  Everything for him is based on this kind of thinking.
[00:58:07]  The globalists want people to be vaccinated, therefore there must be a conspiracy involved and vaccinations are evil.
[00:58:12]  The globalists are interested in conservation efforts and worried about climate change.
[00:58:16]  Therefore, that must be a conspiracy to further some other nefarious aim.
[00:58:20]  I was thinking about it, and even his support of gun rights could be seen through this prism.
[00:58:24]  There isn't anything intrinsic about owning a gun that Alex supports.
[00:58:28]  His staunch gun rights position is rooted in a belief that disarming the population is part of the plan that the globalists have to take over and institute martial law all over the world, have a one-world government.
[00:58:38]  Sure.
[00:58:39]  The only way to fight back against a plan that is totally 100% real is for everyone in the world to be armed.
[00:58:44]  But let's imagine the inverse.
[00:58:46]  What if the prevailing attitude among politicians that Alex didn't like was that everyone should have a gun?
[00:59:01]  If the globalists supported gun rights, then the only way to try and subvert their agenda would be to be in favor of draconian gun restrictions so you don't make their evil plans come to pass.
[00:59:11]  Well, I mean, you don't want Antifa getting guns, the 100% real group that is going to attack and kill all Republicans if they have guns, so you have to be forced.
[00:59:23]  I think so.
[00:59:24]  Yeah.
[00:59:25]  I think that if you really wanted to get down to it, almost every bit of Alex's belief system runs at least through this filter.
[00:59:35]  And it's very fucked up.
[00:59:36]  Yeah.
[00:59:37]  When you base your principles on doing the opposite of what you think your enemy is doing, nothing you believe in really means anything.
[00:59:43]  And my point is that nothing Alex believes means anything.
[00:59:47]  Yeah.
[00:59:49]  Like, almost everything could just be...
[01:00:05]  Oppositional.
[01:00:06]  Yeah, it could just be he has a massive dose of oppositional to violence disorder that has combined with his narcissistic tendencies to create a...
[01:00:18]  Human devoid of originality.
[01:00:20]  But it's the oppositional defiance that's targeted specifically at imaginary positions that he's ascribed to his imaginary enemies.
[01:00:29]  Well, that's his narcissism.
[01:00:31]  Right.
[01:00:31]  I guess so.
[01:00:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:00:33]  It's kind of interesting.
[01:00:34]  It is.
[01:00:35]  It's a little bit like he's created a black hole of personality that just absorbs whatever comes near him.
[01:00:42]  But it also seems like a really efficient way to torture yourself.
[01:00:45]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:00:47]  Bummer!
[01:00:49]  So anyway, they go to some calls.
[01:00:51]  Calls with Paul.
[01:00:52]  Paul calls.
[01:00:54]  And here's one of them.
[01:00:55]  Peter in Florida.
[01:00:56]  Peter, you're on the air.
[01:00:57]  Go ahead.
[01:00:58]  Yeah, hi, Alex.
[01:00:59]  Thank you.
[01:01:00]  In line with what we're talking about right now, I found something on the Hegelian dialectic.

=== Communist Dialectics (15:15) ===

[01:01:07]  It's interesting.
[01:01:08]  It says, at about the same time that Hegel was passing from the scene, Karl Marx caught the revolutionary fever.
[01:01:14]  He drew heavily from Hegel, the dialectic.
[01:01:17]  And pure Bob, materialism.
[01:01:19]  He picked up where the other philosophers left the discussion, but with a twist.
[01:01:24]  He scornfully stated that philosophers have only interpreted the world in different ways.
[01:01:30]  The point, however, is to change the world, was to become the warp and woof of Marxism.
[01:01:36]  In the Marxist interpretation of reality, God had to be abandoned.
[01:01:40]  Alone in the universe, man was to fill the vacuum left by...
[01:01:44]  Religion and materialism.
[01:01:46]  Yeah, the communists basically were just the front for the bankers to con the people back into feudalism and serfdom.
[01:01:53]  They hung a label of liberation on it and then funded it and then conned the masses.
[01:01:57]  Okay.
[01:01:58]  So this caller is reading from a blog post from 2000 written by a person identifying themselves as a San Diego police detective named Philip Wart.
[01:02:06]  It is possible that this is a real attribution, because I can find multiple news articles about cases involving a detective in San Diego by that name, but even if that's the case, this isn't an article that you should be citing to make any actual points.
[01:02:19]  So I found the blog post, and it's actually a screed against community policing and how that's just a Marxist conspiracy.
[01:02:25]  If you read through it, it seems like a really significant problem that this police detective has is that people are raising questions about whether or not the mode of policing that's become the norm in America was sufficiently sensitive to the concerns of diverse communities that they're supposed to be policing.
[01:02:40]  What, am I not supposed to put my boot on your throat?
[01:02:43]  What do you fucking want now?
[01:02:45]  Yeah, honestly, it just seems like...
[01:02:46]  That's my San Diego accent, by the way.
[01:02:47]  Not bad.
[01:02:48]  Thank you.
[01:02:49]  This just seems like a dude who's really pissed off that the concerns of white Christian men aren't the only factor that matters, and that means that he must have uncovered a communist plot.
[01:02:58]  Yeah.
[01:02:58]  That's basically the long and short of that article.
[01:03:00]  I mean, if a detective walking a San Diego beat doesn't discover a communist plot, I've been to San Diego.
[01:03:12]  I've walked...
[01:03:14]  Communism everywhere.
[01:03:15]  San Diego, chargers, chargers, charging credit cards, credit cards, centralization of money, trying to get rid of the physical dollar, electronic currency, communism.
[01:03:25]  RFID.
[01:03:25]  Right.
[01:03:26]  We're there.
[01:03:27]  Exactly.
[01:03:28]  So, apparently, I don't know, there's a lot of things that you could probably say are communist in nature.
[01:03:36]  This is a little bit of a swing here, I think, though.
[01:03:38]  I mean, you were talking about the firework ban earlier, which is, again, sort of a communist sort of law, you know, big government.
[01:03:45]  Because if I hurt somebody, we got to...
[01:03:48]  So yeah, fireworks bans are communist.
[01:03:56]  What isn't communist?
[01:03:58]  I would like a fucking list.
[01:03:59]  I mean, well, for them, everything.
[01:04:02]  I want them to sit down and give me what isn't communist.
[01:04:06]  So one thing that apparently is communist, according to...
[01:04:09]  I mean, I can't tell you what isn't.
[01:04:11]  Honestly.
[01:04:11]  I mean, again, no, I'm struggling.
[01:04:13]  But according to this interview, one of the things that is, is acceptance of homosexuality.
[01:04:18]  Oh, damn it!
[01:04:19]  The major point for this is the moral decline of society.
[01:04:22]  You can go to the 45 goals of communism and find, and this has entered into the congressional record, and number 25 actually states that present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as normal.
[01:04:38]  natural and healthy.
[01:04:40]  That goes back to UNESCO saying the family's a disease, terminated, but it's okay to say heterosexuals are a disease and should be terminated and call us breeders.
[01:04:50]  So this is being presented as if it's something that has any credibility, but in reality, if you go find out where this list of 45 communist goals was read into the congressional record, you'll find that it was Representative Herlong from Florida, and the comments are introduced this way.
[01:05:06]  Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of DeLand, Florida, is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the DeLand Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
[01:05:20]  At Ms. Nordman's request, I include into the record, under unanimous consent, the following current communist goals, which she identified as an excerpt from The Naked Communist by Cleon Skousen.
[01:05:32]  In 1963, some woman in Florida sent a representative a passage from Skousen's bullshit, and he read it into the congressional record, so now we're expected to take it seriously.
[01:05:40]  Gotta.
[01:05:41]  I'm not gonna play that game.
[01:05:42]  So, along with the rank homophobia Paul is expressing in this list, there are some weird things that exist in Skousen's list that I'm curious about.
[01:05:52]  Number 18 is, quote, gain control of all student newspapers, which seems like a dumb goal.
[01:05:58]  No, you gotta.
[01:05:59]  I was involved with my campus paper in college, and I didn't even take that publication seriously and didn't at the time.
[01:06:04]  Gain control.
[01:06:06]  We must occupy the student newspapers of all the colleges across this land!
[01:06:12]  Seems like a waste of communist time.
[01:06:14]  Number 35 on the list is, quote, discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI, which seems like something Alex is very interested in.
[01:06:22]  That's pretty cool, you know, finding a place where Alex and the commies can find common cause.
[01:06:26]  Yeah, I mean, discredit seems like you've already got your work done for you, so just take them down.
[01:06:33]  Number 42 is particularly relevant to today.
[01:06:36]  Quote, create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition.
[01:06:42]  Alex loves to talk about watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants, and he's been pretty clear that even though January 6th was a false flag, even if it wasn't, it would be fine because the people were there and they had a right to do an insurrection if they disagree with the election results.
[01:06:56]  Yeah.
[01:06:56]  Alex is sounding more and more like a commie.
[01:06:58]  He's a fucking commie.
[01:06:59]  I'm telling you.
[01:07:01]  Anyway, this is a fake list written by an anti-communist shithead that was read into the congressional record.
[01:07:05]  It's meaningless, except that it allows Paul and Alex to lend credibility to their homophobic conspiracy nonsense.
[01:07:11]  Yeah.
[01:07:11]  Yeah, that list is real bad.
[01:07:13]  It has the same problem of those books that are like 101 ways to surprise your partner with, you know, every day.
[01:07:23]  And then they run out of ideas where they're like, take a bath.
[01:07:26]  And you're like, anybody takes a bath, man.
[01:07:28]  What are you fucking talking about?
[01:07:30]  The idea that they're trying to convince Americans that insurrection and violence is part of it.
[01:07:36]  My fucking birthday!
[01:07:38]  Every July 4th, we're like, hey, it's illegal to have fireworks, but guess what?
[01:07:42]  The Austin police don't give a fuck.
[01:07:44]  I've got a cannon.
[01:07:45]  That's the game.
[01:07:46]  So, you know, we got this.
[01:07:48]  Paul believes that acceptance of homosexuality is in and of itself a communist conspiracy.
[01:07:54]  Sure, of course.
[01:07:54]  But the communists were up to so much more that conveniently fits in with making Paul's bigotry not look quite so much like bigotry.
[01:08:03]  Oh, yeah, well, it's nice of them to help out.
[01:08:05]  And then you look into who's pushing all this, who was the financial backer behind feminism, and the same names crop up again and again.
[01:08:14]  Well, Gloria Steinem, in one of her own books, admits that this magazine was funded by the Central Intelligence Agency, and she was an active officer.
[01:08:22]  This is mainstream, folks.
[01:08:23]  One of her own books, she admits it.
[01:08:25]  Central Intelligence Agency officer.
[01:08:27]  So the CIA did have involvement with Steinem, but Alex and Paul are really overreaching here.
[01:08:32]  Gloria Steinem was involved in the CIA as part of her efforts to recruit left-leaning youths to go to a Vienna conference being held by communists who could effectively debate the communists about the virtues of America.
[01:08:43]  She did this as the head of the Independent Research Service, a CIA-funded outfit at Harvard.
[01:08:49]  Steinem wrote about this experience in her book My Life on the Road.
[01:08:53]  Alex honestly should totally support her work with the CIA since the goal of it was to disrupt events like this Vienna Conference that were seen as being communist propaganda.
[01:09:02]  Yeah, it was supposed to discredit and then eventually dismantle the Vienna Conference.
[01:09:07]  Yeah.
[01:09:08]  Ms. Magazine wasn't founded until 1972, which was a bit later than this, and the magazine itself wasn't funded by the CIA.
[01:09:14]  Also, Miss Magazine is not the initiator nor the most important aspect of feminism.
[01:09:19]  I mean, there was a bit of it.
[01:09:21]  It was a political magazine that was directed towards women and interests of women.
[01:09:25]  I mean, it's not unimportant in the history.
[01:09:28]  I mean, as we all know, feminism began somewhere in the 70s.
[01:09:32]  72. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:09:33]  This is a really reductive view that Paul and Alex are taking, and it's because the goal for them isn't to assess facts and report information accurately.
[01:09:40]  They're invested in attacking and discrediting feminism.
[01:09:43]  So every supposed fact needs to work in service of that predetermined endpoint that they're engaged in.
[01:09:50]  Yeah, I mean, the most kind of, like, soft misogyny there is just that idea always of, like...
[01:10:00]  Well, there's no way they could come to the independent conclusion that they're being fucked over.
[01:10:03]  So they're obviously backed by a financier who's tricking them.
[01:10:08]  Right.
[01:10:08]  Well, I mean, it's essentially what we have here.
[01:10:11]  When you're blaming the CIA and commies for essentially the acceptance of homosexuality and feminism existing, what you're doing is saying that without these nefarious actors, straight white men would rule everything.
[01:10:26]  Of course they would.
[01:10:26]  And that's the rightful way that things should be.
[01:10:28]  And not just that.
[01:10:29]  But everyone would accept it as obvious, as self-evident that straight white men should rule the world.
[01:10:35]  If it weren't for the machinations of commies and the commies that work in the CIA.
[01:10:38]  Of course.
[01:10:39]  Yeah, it's ridiculous when you really get down to it.
[01:10:42]  You know, every day I wake up and I look at the stars and I'm like, obviously white male hegemony.
[01:10:48]  Right.
[01:10:49]  Obviously.
[01:10:49]  But look, Alex wants to be clear.
[01:10:51]  Yeah.
[01:10:52]  Women can work.
[01:10:53]  If they want to.
[01:10:54]  Well, can they?
[01:10:55]  Let's not go crazy.
[01:10:57]  This is a 40-second clip, and Alex is a little unclear, actually.
[01:11:01]  Well, yeah, I mean, if a woman wants to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist, I'm sure she can do a great job as good or better than a man.
[01:11:06]  The point is that, and they tried to brainwash women to do this, but their instincts, what their desire has switched back against them, so the government's panicking.
[01:11:16]  All these professional women now want to make money early so they can go be mommies at home.
[01:11:21]  And enjoy that incredible thing that God's created.
[01:11:23]  But the CIA came in, it's admitted, broke up the family so they'd have women working in factories so they could have a higher tax bracket, the taxes at higher levels, so the kids would be in the daycare centers and the head start getting their vaccines, learning how to turn mommy and daddy in for owning a gun.
[01:11:40]  Yeah, so women working is also a plot of the CIA.
[01:11:44]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:11:45]  They're capable.
[01:11:47]  They can.
[01:11:47]  Right.
[01:11:48]  Should they so choose?
[01:11:49]  But they shouldn't.
[01:11:50]  They wouldn't.
[01:11:51]  And their instincts will stop them.
[01:11:53]  If it weren't for the communists, women's natural instincts would override the government's desire to make them work.
[01:12:01]  Right.
[01:12:01]  I mean, if it weren't for the commies and the CIA.
[01:12:04]  If it weren't for the fucking commies.
[01:12:06]  Women would understand that they're supposed to be dependent and, you know, base their existence on a man.
[01:12:13]  I'm going to just throw this out there at you.
[01:12:16]  It seems like, to me, that the commies that are most often referenced by the anti-communists have nothing to do with straight white men, despite the fact that at the time of Russia, when the anti-communists were supposed to be fighting, all straight white men.
[01:12:37]  All straight white men.
[01:12:38]  In Russia, all straight white men.
[01:12:40]  So their enemy was all straight white men, but the communist enemy!
[01:12:45]  Right.
[01:12:45]  Was the one who's trying to derail white male hegemony.
[01:12:49]  Right.
[01:12:50]  I think that Alex could actually thread that needle.
[01:12:54]  You think so?
[01:12:54]  Yeah.
[01:12:55]  I don't think he'd have a problem with your rebuttal.
[01:12:57]  Okay.
[01:12:58]  I really don't, because based on his chauvinistic worldview, he would say that, yes, there is a straight white male hegemony in Russia.
[01:13:08]  And they're trying to undermine that here because they know that will weaken America.
[01:13:12]  So the straight white male hegemony is inevitable.
[01:13:16]  It's just a matter of whether the commies or the capitalists are running the straight white male hegemony.
[01:13:22]  Right, because it's being undermined as an attack here.
[01:13:27]  The commies are doing that here, and then it will crumble, and then the Russian straight white male hegemony will take over here.
[01:13:33]  So, almost ironically...
[01:13:35]  They are admitting that all of the minorities of America are the deciding factor in whether or not communism or capitalism will win.
[01:13:45]  Hmm.
[01:13:46]  That is interesting.
[01:13:47]  I haven't unpacked that, but yeah, perhaps.
[01:13:50]  So, Alex talked about this whole defiance politics.
[01:13:54]  And, like, I told you we'd get back to it as it related to the Vietnam War, and this is so stupid.
[01:14:00]  Again, conservatives would have been against the Vietnam War, but they would hire beatniks.
[01:14:05]  And many of them known government agents.
[01:14:07]  This is now public, folks.
[01:14:09]  They would come into a town, spit on people, break windows, act like horrible beasts, and then the conservatives would go, well, this war must be good if these guys are out here doing this.
[01:14:20]  And those beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like Michael Savage.
[01:14:26]  Oh.
[01:14:27]  Yeah, I forgot you guys still hated Michael Savage at this point.
[01:14:30]  Conservatives would have loved Martin Luther King Jr. if the CIA and the communists hadn't hired a bunch of black people to go wreck everything in white neighborhoods.
[01:14:39]  It totally would have happened.
[01:14:41]  Conservatives would have fucking loved Martin Luther King Jr. if it weren't for the fucking commies, Dan.
[01:14:46]  I just think that what Alex is describing is...
[01:14:50]  Conservatives being really dumb.
[01:14:52]  And I honestly don't think they were even as dumb as Alex is presenting them to be.
[01:14:56]  Oh, I would be really insulted.
[01:14:57]  Yeah, the notion that your support or opposition of a fucking war would be dependent on the behavior of beatniks.
[01:15:05]  Well, if beatniks were more polite, I would have been against the Vietnam War.
[01:15:08]  You would have to be so detached.
[01:15:14]  From the actual issue that you're supporting or opposing.
[01:15:17]  You would have to have no feeling about the war itself.
[01:15:20]  You would have to have no principles, no convictions.
[01:15:23]  The only thing is an aesthetic distaste for the people who oppose it.
[01:15:27]  Well, I don't want to be associated with them, so I will oppose.
[01:15:31]  That's horrible.
[01:15:32]  No, no, no.
[01:15:33]  If a beatnik comes to your bar, and then you've got a little bowl of nuts, and you're drinking your beer, and the beatnik knocks the nuts over, You think to yourself, well, obviously, we should burn down villages in Vietnam.
[01:15:48]  It just makes sense.
[01:15:50]  There's no other conclusion to come to.
[01:15:51]  I mean, this is like a sort of tired example on our show, but it's one of the few things that I think Alex and I agree on, and that's the, you know, cops and civil acid forfeiture.
[01:16:00]  Right.

=== Pullman's Persistent Pattern (11:24) ===

[01:16:01]  Like, I hate Alex.
[01:16:02]  I think he sucks.
[01:16:03]  I think he's one of the worst.
[01:16:04]  But I see him opposing civil asset forfeiture and my instinct isn't to be like, I must be for it.
[01:16:11]  Oh, you've got to be for the cops stealing things.
[01:16:13]  But that's how Alex's brain works.
[01:16:15]  It is.
[01:16:16]  It's so dumb.
[01:16:17]  If he finds out that you're against cops stealing things, I think he might be...
[01:16:21]  I actually haven't heard him talk about it in a while.
[01:16:23]  He might have gotten there on his own.
[01:16:25]  Yeah, that's possible.
[01:16:25]  He might be for that now.
[01:16:26]  Cops should steal things.
[01:16:27]  Yeah.
[01:16:28]  I think the best thieves are the cops.
[01:16:30]  So they mention Michael Savage and his beatnik past there.
[01:16:33]  And Alex talks about, I didn't realize this, but Michael Savage's show on MSNBC actually got cancelled in 2003.
[01:16:41]  Fairly around this point.
[01:16:42]  And so Alex discusses that here.
[01:16:45]  And those beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like Michael Savage.
[01:16:51]  Who says that anyone that, yeah, and you notice then in the redefinition, he gets fired off MSNBC for saying something about a group and engaging in the First Amendment.
[01:17:03]  But it's bad to talk about the homosexuals, but not bad to say put anyone in a forced labor camp that disagrees with the government.
[01:17:10]  So I just real quick want to play for you what Michael Savage got fired for.
[01:17:15]  Is this the song Redefinition by Blackstar?
[01:17:16]  It is not.
[01:17:17]  Oh, damn it.
[01:17:18]  It's what Michael Savage got fired for.
[01:17:20]  Okay.
[01:17:20]  This is Michael Savage.
[01:17:22]  Let's go to a caller.
[01:17:22]  If you have an airline horror story, give me a ring right here on the Savage Nation.
[01:17:26]  Go ahead, please.
[01:17:27]  Did you have a worse case than this one?
[01:17:29]  Hey, Michael Savage.
[01:17:30]  Pleasure to speak with you today.
[01:17:31]  I was flying out of LaGuardia, and there's two undercover security guards.
[01:17:37]  Yeah.
[01:17:37]  Somebody was smoking in the bathroom.
[01:17:39]  Someone was smoking in the bathroom.
[01:17:41]  Unbelievable.
[01:17:42]  And what happened?
[01:17:42]  Half hour into the flight, I need to suggest that Don and Mike take your...
[01:17:47]  because your teeth are real bad.
[01:17:49]  All right, so you're one of those sodomists.
[01:17:51]  Are you a sodomite?
[01:17:52]  Yes, I am.
[01:17:53]  Oh, you're one of the sodomites.
[01:17:54]  You should only get AIDS and die, you pig.
[01:17:56]  How's that?
[01:17:57]  Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig?
[01:17:59]  You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage?
[01:18:02]  You got nothing to do today?
[01:18:03]  Go eat a sausage and choke on it.
[01:18:05]  Get trichinosis.
[01:18:07]  Okay, we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse, is angry at me today?
[01:18:12]  Huh?
[01:18:13]  Get me another one.
[01:18:13]  Put another sodomite on.
[01:18:15]  No more calls?
[01:18:16]  I don't care.
[01:18:17]  Let's go to the next scene.
[01:18:18]  I don't care about these bums.
[01:18:19]  They mean nothing to me.
[01:18:20]  Yeah, so, I mean, First Amendment.
[01:18:22]  So he got kicked off for what?
[01:18:26]  Yeah, that was, I mean, that's a particularly distasteful presentation that he gave.
[01:18:30]  I don't know if Alex understands the First Amendment.
[01:18:33]  If the government had done something in response to him being horribly homophobic and abusive to this person on air, then I think you might have some kind of a First Amendment discussion, but...
[01:18:44]  He did something on a live show that was incredibly awful and against the standards of the station, and they fired him for it.
[01:18:54]  That is not a First Amendment issue.
[01:18:55]  No, that sounds about right.
[01:18:56]  Alex just thinks you should be able to say whatever fucking shit you want.
[01:18:59]  I guess.
[01:19:00]  I mean, I got fired for asking for a raise, so...
[01:19:04]  That's different.
[01:19:05]  That's my free speech!
[01:19:07]  That's different.
[01:19:07]  That's my free speech!
[01:19:08]  I should be able to shit on that guy's desk!
[01:19:10]  It's very different.
[01:19:13]  I'm not sure how, but it's different.
[01:19:16]  I find it really fascinating to go back to these points deep in the past and just see this completely infantile understanding of something that's supposed to be a bedrock issue for him.
[01:19:32]  It's not surprising, but it's kind of a bummer.
[01:19:37]  If it was at all something that he valued, it would be different.
[01:19:43]  I think what he values about it is actually that it's been applied in such a way to his life that he can get away with saying anything that he wants.
[01:19:55]  Well, no, the value...
[01:19:57]  I think that you're getting to something, but the value isn't the actual First Amendment.
[01:20:06]  have the credibility of supporting.
[01:20:08]  Right, right, right.
[01:20:09]  But the principle that he actually has is, I don't want consequences for saying horrible things.
[01:20:14]  don't want people to actually accurately judge what I put out into the world and you have to answer for it.
[01:20:20]  Michael Savage shouldn't have to answer for saying horrible things.
[01:20:24]  He shouldn't have somebody fire him for this thing that they obviously wouldn't want to be associated with.
[01:20:29]  I mean, ultimately...
[01:20:30]  First Amendment.
[01:20:31]  It boils really hard down to just like, I don't want to feel bad for the things that I say.
[01:20:36]  And I should be allowed access to every platform.
[01:20:39]  Whenever I want.
[01:20:40]  My First Amendment rights.
[01:20:41]  Exactly.
[01:20:42]  Exactly.
[01:20:43]  That's nonsense.
[01:20:44]  That's not good.
[01:20:45]  So Alex does a little plug for one of his films.
[01:20:48]  I thought this was just actually really funny.
[01:20:50]  Alex is a master of raising the stakes.
[01:20:52]  It just covers so much, folks.
[01:20:54]  It's my longest film.
[01:20:56]  It's two hours and 40 minutes long, okay?
[01:21:00]  Frankly, it's two hours and 41 minutes.
[01:21:02]  I finally really timed it out.
[01:21:04]  You need to get...
[01:21:04]  Two hours and 40 minutes too long.
[01:21:07]  I love that.
[01:21:08]  It's two hours and 40 minutes.
[01:21:10]  Frankly, it's two hours and 41. Just so you know.
[01:21:13]  It's 241.
[01:21:14]  Listen, I'm a truth tip of the fucking spear here, man.
[01:21:18]  I'm not going to lie to my audience and say it's 240 when it's actually 241.
[01:21:23]  That's amazing.
[01:21:23]  You know what?
[01:21:24]  Actually, I'm going to call it 181.3 minutes.
[01:21:28]  That's what we need to call it.
[01:21:30]  So Alex takes some more calls, some more Paul calls, and this guy worried me.
[01:21:37]  Randy in North Carolina.
[01:21:39]  Randy, you're on the air.
[01:21:40]  Go ahead.
[01:21:40]  Sir, to all of our friends in Rhodesia, Australia, you know all the rest of the country, sir.
[01:21:50]  All I can say is you people are trying to tell people who don't know what is going on, what is going on.
[01:22:02]  Totally and completely behind you there.
[01:22:05]  Sweden, Norway, Finland.
[01:22:07]  Yeah, good.
[01:22:08]  Play the music.
[01:22:08]  ...in the note, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, England, Wales...
[01:22:18]  Just gonna let them keep going, huh?
[01:22:22]  Really?
[01:22:23]  Where do you fucking think he's going?
[01:22:28]  What in God's name?
[01:22:30]  I'm gonna have to find out where you're going with this.
[01:22:32]  He opened with Rhodesia!
[01:22:33]  Randy, you might be on to something.
[01:22:36]  You're naming a lot of countries with something in common.
[01:22:40]  I don't know where you're going with this.
[01:22:42]  I think...
[01:22:43]  I've listened to a lot of Alex Jones in my life.
[01:22:48]  I've listened to a lot of calls, and I am flabbergasted that he did not interrupt him once.
[01:22:54]  Not once!
[01:22:55]  That guy's verbal pattern is very slow.
[01:23:01]  Meandering.
[01:23:02]  Easy to interrupt.
[01:23:03]  Yeah.
[01:23:03]  He took a meal out of Ireland.
[01:23:05]  That seemed like a choice on Alex's part not to interrupt him.
[01:23:09]  Yeah.
[01:23:09]  And the only thing that I can see in there that would be like, well, why wouldn't you interrupt him?
[01:23:14]  He started with Rhodesia, which was not a thing in 2003.
[01:23:20]  Not anymore.
[01:23:21]  No.
[01:23:21]  Yeah.
[01:23:22]  They renamed it White Conda.
[01:23:23]  And it's a signal to white supremacists and white nationalists.
[01:23:28]  Oh, yeah.
[01:23:28]  And so...
[01:23:29]  The not interrupting him when he's not saying anything and rambling is a bad sign.
[01:23:34]  Yeah.
[01:23:35]  Hey, he said Rhodesia, so he's probably got something I want to listen to.
[01:23:38]  He doesn't actually end up saying really anything.
[01:23:42]  Yeah, that's not surprising.
[01:23:43]  He just wanted to say how great white people are.
[01:23:45]  I guess.
[01:23:46]  Yeah.
[01:23:46]  So Alex gets another caller, and unfortunately this doesn't lead to a protracted movie review.
[01:23:51]  Let's talk to Wyatt Marilyn.
[01:23:53]  Wyatt, go ahead.
[01:23:54]  How you doing, guys?
[01:23:55]  Pretty good.
[01:23:56]  Good afternoon.
[01:23:57]  Listen, the Independence Day that came on the movie with Will Smith, it's a complete Illuminati New World Order movie.
[01:24:04]  Is it?
[01:24:05]  You have a common threat that global destruction by an outside enemy, and then the entire world unites to defeat it.
[01:24:18]  Also, there are...
[01:24:21]  Are you carrying something right now?
[01:24:23]  It's a special effect if you still frame it, frame by frame, with Illuminati symbolism.
[01:24:30]  Yeah, man, I don't...
[01:24:40]  First of all...
[01:24:41]  What?
[01:24:43]  Yes, the world does band together to fight off the aliens.
[01:24:47]  Illuminati style?
[01:24:48]  I don't know, because everyone bands together under the United States.
[01:24:54]  Our way in is still everybody who contributes to actually defeating the aliens are Americans.
[01:25:01]  Sure.
[01:25:01]  Jeff Goldblum.
[01:25:02]  Right.
[01:25:03]  Will Smith.
[01:25:04]  Right.
[01:25:04]  But here's the...
[01:25:05]  Paxton.
[01:25:06]  Pullman?
[01:25:07]  Pullman.
[01:25:07]  Pullman.
[01:25:08]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:25:08]  Not Pullman.
[01:25:09]  Or not Paxton.
[01:25:10]  Pullman.
[01:25:11]  What you're not understanding here, though, is that this guy has been proven right.
[01:25:15]  Okay.
[01:25:16]  How...
[01:25:17]  Is it possible for neither Will Smith nor Jeff Goldblum to become any less attractive this many years later?
[01:25:26]  In fact, I might argue that Goldblum has only become more attractive in his Silver Fox years.
[01:25:31]  You know who's real sexy, though?
[01:25:32]  Hirsch.
[01:25:36]  I don't know.
[01:25:38]  I think this is dumb.
[01:25:40]  I mean, once you got Robert Loggia in your movie, it's clearly Illuminati.
[01:25:44]  What?
[01:25:45]  This is a dumb question.
[01:25:46]  What's that?
[01:25:48]  I lose track of culture really quickly.
[01:25:50]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:25:51]  Did they make a sequel to Independence Day?
[01:25:52]  Yes, they did!
[01:25:53]  But 30 years later.
[01:25:54]  Okay.
[01:25:55]  Right on time.
[01:25:56]  I honestly couldn't tell if I had imagined that.
[01:25:59]  I think Will Smith wasn't in it, right?
[01:26:01]  I think that's why you don't think it's a sequel to Independence Day.
[01:26:04]  I remember hearing about it and then not seeing it and then, I don't know.
[01:26:08]  Anyway, the conversation about Independence Day leads to them talking about how the globalists are going to fake an alien invasion in order to bring us all together and create a world government.
[01:26:17]  I read Watchmen.
[01:26:18]  So here is Paul with a hot prediction.
[01:26:20]  Any comments for that, Paul?
[01:26:22]  Watch it, then we'll go back to Wyatt.
[01:26:24]  Well, yeah.
[01:26:24]  He was talking about Independence Day and the fact that this false UFO invasion may be staged.
[01:26:30]  Obviously, this is going to be 10, 15 years down the line.
[01:26:33]  But I've actually wrote an article on it.
[01:26:35]  Obviously.
[01:26:36]  Yeah, well.
[01:26:37]  Obviously.
[01:26:38]  Sure.
[01:26:39]  Chalk that one up to the predictions that InfoWars has gotten correct.
[01:26:42]  They're always right.
[01:26:43]  Alien invasion.
[01:26:44]  10 to 15 years.
[01:26:45]  Yeah, we all remember in 2018.
[01:26:48]  That was a good year for an alien invasion.
[01:26:50]  Totally.
[01:26:51]  So Alex has this interview with Catherine Albrecht.
[01:26:54]  And it's...
[01:26:56]  I don't care.
[01:26:57]  They don't talk about any of the specifics of the documents that she supposedly hacked somehow or not.
[01:27:03]  I don't know.
[01:27:04]  She just describes it as like she used a Google search, like a Boolean search bar on the website and that she found some documents on the site.

=== Phones and Paranoia (03:33) ===

[01:27:11]  The bar for hacking is low.
[01:27:12]  It's not hacking, what she described.
[01:27:15]  Sure.
[01:27:15]  For Alex, he says that she was using login information, like brute force hacking.
[01:27:21]  Right, right, right.
[01:27:22]  That's how he describes it earlier, and then she's like, I just searched for things.
[01:27:25]  I don't know.
[01:27:26]  They don't direct you to any actual primary sources or anything.
[01:27:31]  I don't care.
[01:27:32]  If I use DuckDuckGo, I assume I'm hacking.
[01:27:35]  She's afraid of grocery store cards.
[01:27:39]  So I'm...
[01:27:40]  They're scary.
[01:27:41]  It's a snooze.
[01:27:42]  But Alex introduces her this way, and I just thought this was outrageous.
[01:27:47]  However, the industry is also to deal with considerable consumer ignorance and scaremongering, for instance, the consumer sphere that health impacts of RFID tags, presuming, I guess, the microwatts the tags momentarily use to communicate are somehow more dangerous than holding a more powerful transmitter against your ear.
[01:28:04]  That's a good point.
[01:28:05]  Cell phones are dangerous.
[01:28:06]  I suggest you use a navigator, a little plug in your ear.
[01:28:10]  A lot of people lay it in their lap and then get genital cancer.
[01:28:13]  A lot of people.
[01:28:14]  So that is true.
[01:28:15]  It's a lot more dangerous, folks, to have a cell phone than one of these RFID tags.
[01:28:20]  Microscopic transmissions just with the waves hitting it and reading it.
[01:28:24]  Alex has had a cell phone since then.
[01:28:26]  Yeah.
[01:28:26]  Like, consistently.
[01:28:27]  He has an iPhone now.
[01:28:29]  Always.
[01:28:29]  This is such nonsense.
[01:28:31]  Yeah.
[01:28:31]  Like, you're trying to make everyone afraid of these RFID things.
[01:28:36]  Presumably for the multiple reasons of tracking and whatever pulse could be given off by it.
[01:28:42]  And you're admitting here that phones are more dangerous and you have phones.
[01:28:46]  This is stupid.
[01:28:48]  You know, listening back to these pre-smartphone era, there is that same thing you see in movies where they have to contrive a reason where you can't find your smartphone in a horror movie because otherwise the story would be like, you called someone and you're like, let's get the fuck out of here, this is dumb.
[01:29:07]  So many conspiracy theories, even now, have to find a way to avoid talking about the fact that your phone does 99% of everything they've ever been afraid of since the dawn of conspiracy theories.
[01:29:20]  My phone tells me how many fucking steps I've taken.
[01:29:25]  You think the government doesn't know where I'm stepping?
[01:29:27]  They literally do.
[01:29:29]  They literally do.
[01:29:30]  Exactly.
[01:29:31]  So it's like, come on, man.
[01:29:33]  It is true that, essentially, Given all of the conspiracy threads that existed prior to smartphones and such, all of them should have just woven together into a grand conspiracy theory that is this.
[01:29:47]  That's the phone.
[01:29:48]  And then we should have just...
[01:29:49]  Then society should have collapsed as we fought a war over the fact that a smartphone existed.
[01:29:53]  Right.
[01:29:54]  And then they should have had parties where they smashed cell phones or something.
[01:29:58]  Totally.
[01:29:59]  You know, become some kind of a...
[01:30:03]  People who live in the woods.
[01:30:05]  Like, I think about it, and I remember vaguely the movie Enemy of the State.
[01:30:09]  And as I remember it, I'm like, it was such a huge revelation in those moments for them to be like, the government's doing this!
[01:30:17]  And now I'm like, dude...
[01:30:18]  I can do that.
[01:30:19]  I can watch my pet from fucking space.
[01:30:23]  Yeah, it's fine.
[01:30:24]  Or it's not fine.
[01:30:25]  It's probably super bad, but whatever.
[01:30:28]  You can't watch your pet from space.

=== Alex's Political Consistency (03:32) ===

[01:30:30]  You can't get to space.
[01:30:31]  The movie in the States is so quaint now.
[01:30:34]  It's very funny.
[01:30:36]  Yeah.
[01:30:36]  What are we going to do?
[01:30:37]  So speaking of quaint, this is why we needed to go back to 2003.
[01:30:40]  Have a little bit of...
[01:30:42]  Lower stakes time.
[01:30:44]  Solo stakes.
[01:30:45]  But at the same time, I think you still get some illustrations of these things that are actually still very relevant to the present.
[01:30:54]  This politics that's based in essentially imagining what your enemy believes and then doing the opposite is so consistent throughout Alex's life.
[01:31:03]  And the use of these imaginary enemies in order to reinforce the bigotries that you want to...
[01:31:12]  Yeah.
[01:31:12]  You know, CIA and the commies want you to accept homosexuality and they're behind feminism.
[01:31:18]  It's all just in service of intellectualizing your own bigotries in order to make it not seem so bad that you're pushing them.
[01:31:27]  Yeah.
[01:31:27]  That's all they're doing.
[01:31:28]  I mean, the thing that I immediately, like, re-evaluate is that first week of COVID where he's talking about how it's over for humanity.
[01:31:39]  You got these numbers out of China.
[01:31:40]  It's probably a hundred times as many dead.
[01:31:43]  And then the quick turn to like, this is all fake.
[01:31:46]  This is nothing.
[01:31:47]  And it's like, my immediate instinct at the time was, oh, he's got the marching orders.
[01:31:52]  He's got the line from all of these people.
[01:31:55]  And now the more I think about it, the more it's like, maybe he just saw that people on the left were taking it seriously.
[01:32:00]  You know?
[01:32:01]  And he's like, well, if they're taking it seriously, it's got to be a conspiracy.
[01:32:04]  Yeah.
[01:32:04]  You know?
[01:32:05]  Like, that's...
[01:32:06]  It's sad.
[01:32:07]  It's sad.
[01:32:08]  It's so sad.
[01:32:09]  I think there's something to that.
[01:32:10]  I think that he imagined that people weren't going to take it seriously.
[01:32:13]  Yeah, he assumed that the left would be like, this is not scary, and public health will take care of it, and all this stuff.
[01:32:20]  And then he realized that they were like, actually, this could be bad.
[01:32:23]  He's like, well, it's fake then!
[01:32:25]  Yeah, I think there's a lot to that.
[01:32:27]  And the extremeness that he has gone down the road, that road in particular, does track with people.
[01:32:34]  Continuing to take it seriously.
[01:32:35]  The more we take it seriously, the more nuts he goes.
[01:32:38]  Yeah.
[01:32:38]  And then the other thing, too, I just wanted to cover this episode for was the bizarre conversation about free speech involved with him going to call into a radio show.
[01:32:50]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:32:51]  I thought that was...
[01:32:52]  That's...
[01:32:53]  That story, too, is really fun.
[01:32:55]  Just to imagine Alex sitting there trying to do a fake voice, calling into a show, them not letting him on the show, and then him immediately calling everyone he knows.
[01:33:02]  Totally.
[01:33:02]  Like, you gotta call into the show, they won't let me on.
[01:33:04]  What a whiny baby.
[01:33:06]  So fun.
[01:33:06]  What a terrible Texan accent.
[01:33:08]  He lives in Texas.
[01:33:09]  Yep.
[01:33:09]  Yeah.
[01:33:10]  He does.
[01:33:10]  Oh boy.
[01:33:11]  So we'll be back, probably with a present day episode on Monday.
[01:33:14]  Most likely.
[01:33:14]  Seeing what's been going on, seeing if Alex has quit again.
[01:33:18]  Yeah.
[01:33:19]  We'll see.
[01:33:20]  We'll find out.
[01:33:21]  I don't know.
[01:33:21]  Maybe he's going back to...
[01:33:22]  The capital today, and he's taking care of things.
[01:33:26]  I would love it if we check back in on the present, and he's talking about trying to call into a radio show and not letting him on.
[01:33:31]  Oh, God, you're a witch.
[01:33:32]  That would be the best.
[01:33:33]  That'd be so good.
[01:33:34]  We'll find out, but until then, Jordan, we have a website.
[01:33:36]  We do.
[01:33:36]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:33:37]  Yep, we're also on Twitter.
[01:33:38]  We are on Twitter.
[01:33:39]  It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed, Jordan.
[01:33:41]  Yep, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
[01:33:45]  and now here comes with the sex robots Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
[01:33:56]  Thanks for holding.
[01:33:58]  Hello, Alex.
[01:33:59]  I'm a first time caller.
[01:34:00]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:34:01]  I love your work.