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Nov. 29, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
02:44:52
#621: Reset Wars: Episode 1

Today, Dan and Jordan examine a bit of a preview interview about the big new project, Reset Wars.  In this installment, the gents meet a promotion-obsessed hypnotist who thinks it's impossible to die and who helped Alex create Reset Wars. Citations

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alex jones
12:55
d
dan friesen
01:38:03
j
jake ducey
17:25
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jordan holmes
32:55
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledgefight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I love your world.
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Ice cream sandwiches.
What's yours?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is the day after Thanksgiving I got to see my family.
It was great.
Moving on!
dan friesen
I like ice cream sandwiches quite a bit.
They've been making a resurgence in my life.
Yeah?
Yes.
I have, especially the ones that are like cookies, like chocolate chip cookies.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
Oh, those are the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You take a big bite of one of those, and you're like, this is too much for me.
And then you go right back in for it.
dan friesen
And you get a second.
alex jones
Yeah, and then you go, I gotta go back in there!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm spelunking into this ice cream sandwich.
dan friesen
And I'm glad that you had a nice time on the day after Thanksgiving.
Black Friday?
Did you guys go shopping?
jordan holmes
No, good God, no.
No, we didn't get together on the day.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
We got together the day after.
For me, this was the first family Thanksgiving since my aunt died.
dan friesen
Did your parents have a lot of questions about the episode we put out on Friday?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
But it almost went south when they started asking about Squid Games, and I was like, it's capital!
And then it all went south.
unidentified
You should just be like, damn, thought it was dumb!
jordan holmes
That would have been a way better route.
dan friesen
Anytime we need to talk about Squid Game, just talk about some of my thoughts, which I've regaled you with at length.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
I'll just play them that part.
Yeah, so it was great.
dan friesen
But yeah, you were saying it was the first one.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thanksgiving was my aunt's holiday.
Like, every year for my entire life, I was at her table at 1 o 'clock.
And then this was the first Thanksgiving since she had died, and my mom clearly felt that.
She put everything she could into lunch.
dan friesen
Putting the spread together.
jordan holmes
She was like, this has got to be, if this sucks, then we're all going to be like, remember Aunt Tootie?
And then it was going to be shit.
dan friesen
The absence will be felt.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A big hole there.
jordan holmes
And she did a fantastic job.
dan friesen
Oh, that's great.
jordan holmes
She did a great job, great job.
dan friesen
That's awesome.
jordan holmes
This is the only podcast she should listen to, and then she should turn it off right now.
dan friesen
Too many times that story goes the other way.
It's like someone trying to...
Step up, and then it just completely falls apart.
jordan holmes
Oh, she added this sweet potato thing with walnuts on top of it, and you could feel the nervous, the palpable, like, should I have added anything energy to her?
It was amazing.
dan friesen
Isn't it weird that people have sweet potatoes with marshmallows on top?
jordan holmes
That's so gross.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
So gross.
dan friesen
Next!
So, Jordan, on our last episode, we talked about November 23rd, and...
jordan holmes
I almost said Blackjack.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was a bit of the Reset Wars going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I am not too proud to admit that I think I might have been wrong about some stuff.
I think I might have made some hasty assumptions.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And we're going to talk about a bunch of that today.
What we're going to do is we're going to begin our exploration of Reset Wars.
Okay.
The actual videos I don't think are out yet.
His actual, like, 11-hour course or whatever the fuck.
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
But on the 23rd, in the third and fourth hour of the show, Alex interviewed Jake Doocy, who is his partner in Reset Wars.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The two of them worked on this together, and so what we're going to do is we're going to talk about this interview as a sort of prelude to whenever Reset Wars comes out.
jordan holmes
So we're Preset Wars.
dan friesen
Yes.
Pre-cooking, pre-setting the oven, or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And this will be an ongoing series as we get more.
This is Reset Wars Episode 1, A New Hope.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
No, wait, what's Episode 1?
jordan holmes
The Phantom Menace.
dan friesen
This is The Phantom Menace.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
From what I've heard, this will be The Phantom Menace, yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's actually a fitting title.
Anyway, we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Andre from the pod.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Andre!
dan friesen
Next, communist revolution in the sheets.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I like that because it's a play on Gary Allen's book, Communist Revolution in the Streets.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But it's also, it does leave me wondering, what are you in the streets if you're a communist revolution in the streets?
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say an anarcho-capitalist nightmare in the streets.
dan friesen
I guess that would be how the saying would work.
Also, we've got a technocrat in the mix, so see more insight!
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
See more insight.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So now, Jordan, let's get down to business.
We're in the 23rd of November.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
2021, Blackjack.
jordan holmes
Oh, you son of a bitch.
dan friesen
And...
We're in the third hour.
Alex is bringing on Jake Ducey to talk about the wonders of Reset Wars.
Right.
Here's his introduction.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This broadcast, this transmission, this human expression of freedom was not supposed to be on air right now.
We're supposed to already be off air.
We're supposed to roll over like everybody else, the globalists, enslaved and dumbed down and killed.
But that's not been happening.
Well, a good friend of mine, Jake Ducey, is here.
And he is a very well-known, best-selling author and also does so many other great works out there.
But he's really helped me in my research and with everything we're doing with the launch of the next level of the Infowar, which is ResetWars.com, because we were simpatico, because I helped wake him up decades ago.
And his dad's a big fan, and the rest of it.
dan friesen
So here's the first thing that you need to know about Jake Doocy, and it's something that Alex is conspicuously leaving out of his introduction.
He's a hypnotist.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right!
dan friesen
He is a professional hypnotist.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
He's basically a new-age-type power-of-attraction-preaching self-help-con-artist kind of guy.
His blog and website are just full of the most flagrant clickbait titles for articles, most of which circle around ideas related to The Secret and The Law of Attraction.
For those unfamiliar with this whole self-help craze from about a decade ago, the secret is basically about how you can manifest anything you want into your life, and the reason you have bad things in your life is because you're subconsciously attracting those things to you with negative thinking.
The basic idea is to force yourself to have positive thoughts about things like money, your job, or people you're attracted to, and magically the universe will bring those things that you want to you.
Bars of gold, your dream job, and the partner of your dreams could all be yours, and it would be super easy if you just got out of your own way.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy is that everybody I knew who followed that secret 10 years ago worked perfectly.
dan friesen
They're all billionaires.
jordan holmes
No, no, it's like Bitcoin.
Like, I wish I had gotten in on the secret then.
I'm too late now.
dan friesen
It's too expensive now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's too high.
dan friesen
So, legitimately, some of the titles of the posts on his blog and these videos are creepy and kind of sad.
Quote, make them miss you.
Make someone beg to be with you.
Quote, how to attract money effectively and manifest it quickly.
jordan holmes
Honey.
dan friesen
Quote, say this for instant financial breakthrough.
There are a lot of videos about how to magically make money fly towards you, and a bunch about how you can make people want to have sex with you, which isn't surprising, since those are two really visceral targets for con men to exploit in people.
Poverty and loneliness.
And it treats the person that you're attracted to as a thing.
And that's pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Hey, that's really attractive for a certain type of people.
dan friesen
Scrolling through his YouTube channel, I got a very quick and clear impression.
This guy is repetitive as...
Say this to receive unexpected money in one day or less!
Or, quote, I manifested $100,000 per month!
He also has some videos teaching telepathy.
It's all just clickbait garbage, which is exactly what online marketing experts tell you you need to do if you want to increase traffic artificially when you don't have good content.
jordan holmes
Man, bring back the guy wearing the green suit with money on it, saying that you can get free money from the government if you buy this book.
I want that guy back.
dan friesen
I'm saying this without having looked into it too much, but it's my understanding that that guy actually did have ways you could get money from the government.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It was grant money.
jordan holmes
It's not...
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's not manifesting it.
That was actually a book of, like, here's a loan you can apply for.
jordan holmes
That was a book of paperwork.
dan friesen
So I get an intensely bad vibe off Jake Ducey, even more so than your run-of-the-mill hypnotist scam person.
Jake also has a podcast on iHeart called Jake Ducey's Second Mind Podcast.
I believe that the second mind thing is about your subconscious mind and how it's the one creating all the energy fields and all that that attracts or repels tons of money and attractive people.
Most of the episodes are ten minutes long and about how to attract money.
The most recent episode appears to be titled, quote, easily manifest more money fast with the law of attraction.
About a week before that, he had an episode titled, quote, Three Most Powerful Secrets to Attract More Money Fast.
About a week before that, he had an episode titled, quote, Shocking Money Technique Made Me a Million Dollars.
At the end of February, he had one called, quote, Do This Hypnosis for Money.
Listen every day to become a millionaire in 2021.
And this last one is part of what really troubles me about Jake.
He seems really anxious to hypnotize people.
jordan holmes
He's jumping at the bit to hypnotize people.
dan friesen
Seems like he's really eager to hypnotize people.
On his website, his bio reads, quote, When I began to uncover how the unconscious mind works, I went from a 19-year-old with a self-published book to a best-selling author in just a few years.
I want to give you the success hypnosis that changed it all.
Totally free?
Just click below.
jordan holmes
All right, so this is a supervillain's plan.
You realize that?
To innocuously attract enough people to hypnotize all of them at the same time in order to get them to do your bidding.
dan friesen
There are overlaps.
So on his homepage, there's a link to something he sells called the Second Mind Neuro Programmer, which is apparently meditation and visualization exercises that claim to be able to, quote, rewire your brain to attract abundance.
Look, I'm all for meditation, and I'm fine with some fairly new-agey stuff, but when you take a person like this and also combine all that with he's coming out of nowhere to collaborate with Alex Jones at exactly the point where Alex is completely desperate and his life is falling apart, you have what I would consider a gigantic red flag.
This could be a short-lived collaboration, but I'm really, really honestly worried about this.
Alex's Sight Reset Wars apparently was something that Jake had a big hand in, and Alex is promoting it as the most important work he's ever done, which makes it not feel like a small blip on the radar.
And then you add it to this.
On Jake's homepage, right at the top, he offers to help you rewire your mind.
Quote, how would you like to hit the reset button and rewire your mind?
Reset Wars.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He doesn't say Reset Wars on the site.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
His primary selling line is how would you like to hit the reset button?
jordan holmes
Okay.
Operating theory, he is a supervillain.
dan friesen
I have a number of theories.
I don't think supervillain is one of them.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Regular villain.
dan friesen
Occam's razor tells me that Alex is incredibly desperate for money.
Jake is a rich online marketing scam guy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And he has now bought access to Alex's audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
Yeah, that seems to be what the simplest explanation of all this is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's really terrifying.
Because Alex has left these people very vulnerable to someone who has a gift of manipulation.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And hypnosis.
Techniques that he really wants to use on people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For free!
Yeah, you know, at the same time, though, this is the time period of the conman narcissist life where he does get conned.
You know, like, he's at his lowest point.
Alex?
Yeah, it's entirely possible for Alex to be getting conned right now, like, on a real level.
dan friesen
Right, I thought about that, because as I was listening to this interview, I'm like, has he hypnotized Alex?
Is that what's going on?
And I don't think that's the case, because Alex seems a little bit frustrated by him.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright, okay.
dan friesen
I don't know if there's necessarily a whole lot of, we really like each other.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
For one thing, you'll notice, Jake will not stop plugging Reset Wars.
Alex does a lot of plugging.
Jake is embarrassing.
He constantly is telling people, go to Reset Wars, sign up for it.
Everything, every road leads back to that plug to a point where even Alex is like, this is a little much.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, we've reached the event horizon of a black hole.
dan friesen
Where Alex is telling someone they're being a little too thirsty.
jordan holmes
Nothing is coming out of this hole!
It's emitting a fucking Einstein radiation, Hawking radiation, it's so awful.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I think that there's something troubling about this association that the two of them have.
I also think that some of the ideas that are going to be expressed over the course of this episode are...
Really troubling things to combine with Alex's world.
Maybe some of them are metaphorically things that maybe could have some self-empowering application.
But when combined...
With the Infowar.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's a little dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is a little bit like combining the secret and terrorism to give you the secret of terrorism, which is not a good thing that you want to read about.
Nope.
Nope.
dan friesen
So, Alex takes forever to introduce Jake.
alex jones
We want you to know what's going on.
The enemy knows what's going on.
They just want to keep you in the dark and enslave you.
I'm not interested in farms of slaves that I can fly over and laugh at you because I feel big.
You not being empowered makes me feel like crap.
You understand how that works?
So I want to see you fly like a birdie because I'm connected to you and you're connected to me and I have children in this world that are going to live with your children and I have ancestors that lived with your ancestors.
You got it?
I'm an individual.
I'm my own soul, but I'm connected to you.
And when stuff happens to you, it hurts me.
You understand?
I'm not a Satanist.
I'm the opposite.
I'm not all about me.
I'm not all about how I've got power over people.
unidentified
I want you to have power!
alex jones
You understand that?
That's what I want.
Unlimited consciousness.
And the enemy knows we have that fire in our hands.
And Jake Doocy's here for us to talk about it.
But to understand the good...
jordan holmes
The fire.
alex jones
You've got to understand the bad.
dan friesen
I'd like to be very clear that my ancestors did not hang out with Alex's ancestors, because his ancestors were fighting for the Confederacy, and mine were Mennonites.
jordan holmes
I just wrote down Confederate royalty, and historically, if you are that connected to your ancestors, you are very interested in farms with slaves.
That is one of your top interests.
dan friesen
It's up there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's way up top.
dan friesen
Fighting to protect farms with slaves.
Yeah, exactly.
So today, on this interview that Alex is doing, They're going to look at the bad, you know?
Because sometimes in order to deal with the good, to accept the good, you've got to look at the bad.
jordan holmes
You have a clear-eyed evaluation.
alex jones
Today, we're going to look at the bad.
And this covered some in the six-plus-hour transmission that's coming out in early December.
But I wanted to just get Jake here to talk about this so that you'd understand some of the research that went into this.
I mean, most people don't sit around and read 800 pages of declassified MKUltra files.
I read them decades ago.
He just recently read them again.
We just recently, the last few days, went back over them.
And I want you to understand that when you see Reset Wars, you think, well, this is just, never heard this in church, never heard this on the news, because they don't want you to know this.
Because then they can't enslave you.
But when you read the CIA documents, and then you see what we're doing, you'll understand this is the opposite.
This is how they did it.
Now, there is one little evil shadow to this, but that's the problem with knowledge.
Because it's good and evil.
It's free will.
Could somebody take this knowledge and use it to enslave people?
Yeah, they already have.
So justice be done by the heavens fall.
They want to talk about the knowledge of good and evil.
Well, the good don't know about the evil.
So now we're here exposing how they operate and what's going on.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
So I got excited at this point because I thought, like, all right, we're going to talk a whole bunch about MKUltra.
jordan holmes
Seems like it.
dan friesen
And I've read a lot of those documents.
That Alex is referring to.
jordan holmes
Conspiracy theorists like them.
dan friesen
They do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And historians like them.
jordan holmes
They're great.
dan friesen
At least in terms of being able to shed light on some atrocious things that our government has done.
Yep.
I think that there is a difference between a clear-eyed, sober view of...
The historical monstrosity of the MKUltra program.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And what conspiracy theories believe it to be.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I think that there is a difference.
And I was really excited to discuss some of that difference, but unfortunately I overprepared for that and it really doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
To the conversation that we're going to have.
jordan holmes
Drugging people without their knowledge.
Bad.
dan friesen
Very much so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, drugging people without their knowledge and eating babies.
Non-existent.
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
And drugging people with their knowledge.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Fine!
We wouldn't have had sometimes a great notion without it.
dan friesen
So Alex brings up Jake, finally introduces him, and one of his credits is that he's from Reset Wars.
So that's pretty telling to me.
jordan holmes
A non-existent thing.
alex jones
So spend five minutes before we go to break and come back and go to the main meat of this.
Current admissions, what's going on, the actual documents, and then what's coming next with Jake Doocy from ResetWars.com.
Jake?
jake ducey
What I say is we're all a part of this massive MKUltra experiment that is society.
I've had the honor to actually go through six times and watch Alex's brand new course that's coming out here real soon.
If you are a fan of Alex, if you're a fan of InfoWars, this is the next level because the way that the Great Reset officially is accomplished is by trapping us into subconscious patterns, convincing us we're just these little bodies, and using everyday mind control weapons that they have.
And Alex breaks down in 11-step process exactly how to break out of that so everyone...
Open up another browser.
Go to resetwars.com right now.
dan friesen
That's the first of his 2,000 calls to action.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And they're always calls to action.
They're always open a browser and you go, as opposed to just like, you should check it out.
jordan holmes
He knows his marketing.
dan friesen
He's taking online marketing classes for sure.
Oh, yeah.
So, yeah, this is good.
jordan holmes
I'm not happy.
I feel like we're off to a bad start.
dan friesen
We are.
jordan holmes
The moment we say everyday mind control weapons, that suggests that there are some mind control weapons that we haven't even...
dan friesen
Some boutique ones?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, what are these everyday mind control weapons?
That's what I want to know more about.
dan friesen
And I thought that maybe he was being a little fanciful and metaphorical by saying that, like, society is an MKUltra experiment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He means that quite...
Literally.
jordan holmes
No, I am taking him literal for everything.
You should.
I decided that before I sat down in this chair.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, I mean, this drifts really quickly into what sounds like cult shit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
jake ducey
But here's the thing.
Just learning all the news isn't how we're going to be able to change it.
How we're going to be able to change it is when we finally de-pattern ourselves, we learn how the mind control works, we erase it, and then we tap in to that real spiritual power that they don't want us to know about.
So it's resetwars.com, and that's the real power, right?
That's what they don't want us to know.
dan friesen
So there's the de-patterning yourself.
You've got to reprogram yourself, basically.
Which is what he's been selling on his website for a while.
At least.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So now he's just going to advertise through Infowars, basically.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You gotta reset.
You gotta settle things down.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Get into it.
dan friesen
Boy, that's a familiar tone that you hear quite a bit.
Shady groups.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
You just need to come in here, put your hands on this machine, and tell me all of the things that you've never told anyone else before.
You can trust me.
dan friesen
You need to deconstruct yourself, right?
You need to completely destroy whatever.
And you need to do it using my program.
jordan holmes
Of course!
In fact, when you're done destroying yourself, maybe I'm the only person left.
dan friesen
I will be there to help put you back together, and I promise I'm not going to do things that are...
jordan holmes
I would never do that.
dan friesen
Manipulative or weird.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
So we got Alex Chiman in here.
jake ducey
So it's resetwars.com, and that's the real power, right?
That's what they don't want us to know.
alex jones
And we address it from their perspective, which is actually real.
They understand there's the real us that we were born with, that God gave us our soul.
They create a facsimile and then erase the real us.
But the real us is still there.
They erase the real us template for interfacing with the universe.
We're going to show the CIA documents coming up.
dan friesen
Okay, this is getting really scary at this point.
Like, I know that there's some overlap here with stuff that Alex gets into from time to time on his show, but the vibe is going in a very different and very unnerving direction, even immediately in this interview.
Alex has met this self-help conman hypnotist, and now he's made this 11-step program to save yourself from the globalists, which he worked on with the hypnotist, and is the most important work he's ever done.
This doesn't sit right with me, and the prospect of Alex's terrorist edging and constant violent preoccupation being combined with vague aspirational pseudo-spirituality that's dancing around the idea that you're not yourself is absolutely terrifying.
I kept trying to suspend judgment as I was listening to this, but it's really, really impossible.
jordan holmes
You know, a lot of people think that combining religion with terrorism is a bad idea because, you know, you get that feeling of, like, I will be rewarded for these acts of horrific terror, right?
Now, that's terrifying.
But what if you were already dead in your own mind, had no fear whatsoever, and were willing to blindly follow what anyone told you?
That's not a problem!
dan friesen
It's a bad combination.
People should be worried about this.
This development is bad.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
dan friesen
So Jake wants to explain to everybody how we live...
jordan holmes
From State Farm?
dan friesen
No.
I wish.
Because that guy's a good neighbor.
jordan holmes
He's a good neighbor.
jake ducey
We exist on three planes.
We exist on the physical, the mental, emotional, and the spiritual.
The emotional control grid is all the craziness happening in the world lock us into fear, lock us into anger, lock us into our lower consciousness, our lower emotions, and that's the simulation, right?
Zuckerberg's creating the metaverse, but we're already in a simulation.
And that's how the whole control system works.
And that's what fascinated me about your work, is once I went into the declassified documents, what struck me more than anything was, wow, we live in a simulation.
All of reality is controlled through subconscious patterning.
They already know this, and I thought to myself, well, what happens?
If I literally reprogram my entire mind, if I literally program everything, I erase all the viruses and reset words you liken the mind to an operating system.
The programs, the viruses, it's the fake identity.
dan friesen
This is not good.
This is very, very bad stuff to see on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
This goddamn show is supposed to be about the communists being evil and the UN secretly being run by commies who are also evil.
And now we're getting into explicit talk about living in the simulation and how we have a tripartite self existing in three different dimensions and how the answer is to brainwash yourself and then rebuild under the helpful guidance of Alex's dumbass and this shady hypnotist.
This is scary.
I don't know.
Look, obviously this could result in nothing, but also this could end very poorly for some people.
jordan holmes
Man, the worst part is I just hear in my head the voice of somebody watching these and just going like, man, it's a good thing I don't believe in that prosperity gospel stuff because this is real.
This stuff is what works.
Just giving money to that rich person, that's crazy!
dan friesen
I would never fall for those glitter bug churches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
This is the raw shit, because they have the documents.
And I want to say, they bring up documents a bit.
And before the interview, Alex was constantly banging the drum of, we're going to get into these documents.
Me and Jake, we're going to get deep into the weeds.
And that's one of the reasons why I was so excited, is that I want to know...
What documents you're talking about, I want to read them.
I want to get a sense of, okay, so you guys made this 6-hour or 11-hour, I think he says 11-hour at some point, but it's also 11 steps.
jordan holmes
But he said it was a 6-hour?
dan friesen
6-hour plus.
It's 6 parts, I think.
It's complicated.
jordan holmes
Get a job.
dan friesen
But they created this entire course, and so I would assume they'd have a really good handle on the documents that's behind it or underlying this.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
And so I got pumped to hear that.
I don't know if you're going to be surprised about this, but it's going to be a while.
jordan holmes
I am not surprised.
dan friesen
Because we got to talk about nothing for a bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jake ducey
And that's why I'm so excited about it.
alex jones
And then we get CIA documents and they admit that, that they know we have an innate from our ancestors, our spirit, who we are.
They try to create this facsimile and then they try to erase who we were, but they didn't really erase it.
They create a false thing that we then follow.
This is what Christ talks about, about being born again, because we're already in Christ.
We already were real before.
We fell.
We got programmed.
Now we're born again.
We come out of it.
jake ducey
And think about what's interesting.
that quote in the Bible is to not be conformed by the pattern of the world.
They use the same word in the MKUltra documents.
Don't be conformed by the pattern of the world.
What's the pattern of the world?
It's the entire mind control system that they use predictive programming and unconscious hypnosis to control us.
dan friesen
I guess now Alex is trying to insinuate that the idea of being born again actually refers to the process of undergoing the rediscovery of your real self that was replaced by the facsimile of you that the globalists created.
And Alex is going to help you with that.
I'm not a religious person, but that seems deeply blasphemous.
jordan holmes
Sirs, sirs, this is a public library.
I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is troublesome.
dan friesen
I feel like that relies less on the sacrifice of Jesus, as the Bible discusses, and more about...
jordan holmes
When was that important?
dan friesen
Watching Alex's bullshit.
jordan holmes
When was that important, this whole sacrifice of Jesus?
Listen, we all know that it didn't really happen.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So as for the Bible verse that Jake is talking about, the word pattern is used in the New International Version of the Bible.
Quote, Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, and then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is, his good, pleasing, and perfect will.
That's Romans 12.2, but the wording is different in other translations.
For instance, in the King James Version, it says, The word pattern is in very, very few translations of Romans.
The book Romans was originally written in Koine Greek, and if you go back to the original source text, there's no reason to add the word pattern to that sentence.
The Greek text uses the verb to be conformed, then the word to, and the word ione, which translates to age, the age.
This word, as well as the next word, totu, meaning this, are both in the genitive case, which means that they're meant to be taken together.
The genitive case in Greek is used to generally indicate possession, and in this case it's just a general sense of the things of the age.
Taken purely from the text, the sentence is essentially saying, don't get caught up in the extraneous things around you that change year to year.
This is probably all sounding a little bit in the weeds, but the reason I needed to make this clear...
It's because the reason that Jake is making a big deal about it is because the word de-patterning is used in some of the LSD and behavioral experiments in MKUltra.
We'll talk more about that later, but it's critical to understand that Jake is trying to connect the word de-patterning existing in relation to MKUltra and the word pattern in this Bible verse as being meaningful, when in reality, the word pattern isn't in the original text, and the only translations that include that word were published in 1978, 2011, and 2019.
There's no meaning to this connection.
It's just an attempt to make it appear that the evil globalists who did MKUltra were intentionally trying to undo what God wanted of people.
This is like two steps above QAnon, honestly.
Maybe not.
Maybe one.
jordan holmes
I am starting to think, and I'm going to go out on a limb here, I'm starting to think that in the beginning, the word was not with God.
Because it doesn't seem like he has a clear handle on it anymore.
unidentified
Well, the word got away from me.
jordan holmes
In the beginning was the word, and the word got away from me, I'm going to be honest with you.
unidentified
In the end, there was wordplay.
In the end, there was a pun.
dan friesen
Such a mess.
So, Alex has got some complaining to do, and I think this is stupid.
alex jones
Big leftist yesterday, when I did a little piece on this, put a clip, said, look at Jones, a con man.
He says he knows God and has the secret.
Obviously, we all have the secret of the connection to God.
Obviously, M4 is the tip of the spear.
We're not playing games.
Listen, leftist, you're cut off from God.
You don't get it.
I am connected to God.
To me, this is real.
They sit there and I'm like, oh, look, Jones is telling his listeners he's got a connection to God and blah, blah, blah.
No, it's real.
It really will change the universe if people know it and understand it.
And that's why your bosses are so scared.
Because they're not like you, some brainwashed minion.
They're aware of this and using this against us.
And we're here to set the campus free with Jesus Christ power.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Good dismount.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Two people.
Unwilling to breathe!
Unwilling to breathe!
dan friesen
But Alex nailed the landing on that sentence.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
dan friesen
Right when he was running out of breath.
jordan holmes
True, true, true, true.
dan friesen
So, what's going on here is that Alex is creating a straw man to protect and insulate his religious extremism from being questioned or criticized by people, and make it appear that any criticism of Alex's religious extremism is actually an attack on all of Christianity.
I don't think that most people have any problem with the idea of someone saying that they're connected to their conception of God or even saying that they have a personal relationship with that deity.
These are pretty well accepted and understood expressions of spirituality these days.
Alex is claiming that he's being criticized for that, but that's not true.
That's not what Alex says, the things he's being criticized for.
Alex says that the literal devil has been trying to recruit him since he was a child because the devil knew Alex was critical to God's plans.
Alex says that God gives him prophetic visions and allows him to see the future.
Alex says that God uses various people to carry out his vision.
vengeance on the wicked, which would be kind of hard to prove.
So I guess you just kind of got to take people at their word when they say God told them to do something really horrible.
Yeah.
unidentified
Alex believes the people on the left are literally, knowingly, or unknowingly working for the literal devil.
dan friesen
Alex believes that things like gender norms and heterosexuality are things that are mandated by God and that to not conform to his beliefs on the subject is a sin.
Alex's version of religion deserves criticism and rebuke because it's exactly the kind of thing that makes it easy for people to hate religion and think religious people are assholes.
Also, Alex uses religion as a marketing tool, as we've exhaustively documented over the course of this show.
He's essentially a cartoon character of a bigoted religious con man.
These are the things that this big-time leftist is probably criticizing Alex for, not claiming that he's connected to God.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And...
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I'm sure it's not a big-time leftist.
I'm sure it's somebody on Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Some douchebag.
dan friesen
A random person on Twitter.
jordan holmes
That was it.
dan friesen
So Jake is pretty big into this idea that you're not your body.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You're not your physical self.
jordan holmes
So I assume he's totally fine with trans people or body modifications or anything along those lines.
dan friesen
I will say that that subject doesn't come up.
jordan holmes
Odd.
dan friesen
But the fact that he seems to...
Be presenting himself as so simpatico with Alex.
He probably...
There's a reason it doesn't come up.
He doesn't want people to know.
jake ducey
Yeah.
unidentified
Throughout history, the control system has always operated.
jake ducey
That's why they hid certain books of the Bible.
That's why the Vatican has underground libraries.
The way tyranny always controls people is cutting them off from their higher spiritual faculties, convince them they're just a body.
Even though your body is just a rental car, that house is your soul.
I'm here in Austin right now.
I use a rental car.
I'm a huge fan of Alex, have been for many years, and I know you are too.
Go to resetwars.com right now and sign up.
This is going to be the most powerful thing you've ever created.
alex jones
They totally share it.
It's all over.
They're freaking out over Instagram and Twitter and the news.
Wow.
dan friesen
So, I gotta say, for someone who's so concerned with these lost and forgotten, forbidden books of the Bible like Jake pretends to be, his quoting of that last verse reveals that he definitely reads some pretty recent translations.
I'm sure he has a great grasp on the Book of Enoch or the Gospel of Thomas, though, and I'm pretty happy for him.
Honestly, the...
The Vatican's secret archives, you know, like he's referencing, or the apostolic archives, are probably just so well secured and guarded because they contain information about the Catholic Church and its internal workings, as well as financial details.
There are plenty of records they have that they would want to keep private.
You don't need to create fun stories about magical secret books of the Bible that they're hiding.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they probably are.
unidentified
Also...
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Also, like, I had a period of time in my life where I get deeply into the books that were...
Yeah, sure.
And I think I could speak about this at length.
If Jake ever got...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But unfortunately he doesn't.
I think it's all just vague mumbo-jumbo ideas about Gnosticism, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would prefer if he got into the weeds on those a little bit.
Like, I would like to talk about that one story where when Jesus is a kid, he just murders that other kid.
That one was pretty great.
dan friesen
He brought him back, though.
jordan holmes
He did bring him back, but that's still not okay.
Or that time he fought dragons in a cave.
That was pretty cool.
dan friesen
So, the...
The thing is, you know, he has this, like, oh, there's all this stuff that they banned from the Bible, but he doesn't give any specifics.
It's the same thing with Alex talking about the documents.
It's like there's nothing you can do with that, even if you know a ton about the subject that's going to be discussed.
If you're not specific, I don't know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Oh, I wasn't talking about that.
I know you're talking about something, but that's not what I was talking about.
dan friesen
Exactly.
It's a dead end.
And as to what Alex is saying, no one's mad about Alex starting Reset Wars.
I'm probably the only person in the world who pays...
As much attention as I do to Alex, and I have people who message me whenever there's any news in Alex's world, and no one has brought up Reset Wars.
No one cares.
The world at large doesn't care about Reset Wars, and I think there's a good reason to be scared about this development, honestly.
The idea that you're not your body and that this life is just a rental car for your soul, that can be a fairly innocuous platitude in New Age self-help circles.
But it can also be an indication of a cult going in a very dangerous direction towards devaluation of human life.
If you're not your body and you could strike a big win against the globalists by sacrificing your body in some kind of a suicide attack, it might start to sound like a more compelling prospect.
If you're not your body, I'm not my physical self.
jordan holmes
Yeah, people in cults are committing suicide just for the hell of it.
dan friesen
Hey, don't worry about all the people that you might potentially kill in the process of whatever you're doing.
They're not their bodies either, so what's really the harm in any of it?
I want to be clear that I'm not saying that this is the direction that this rhetoric is going, but the combination of these ideas being pushed front and center, being presented as Alex's most important work, and the world of angry bullshit that Alex has created in the past 20 years of his career is super concerning, and it needs to be watched carefully.
What I'm getting at is, like, this could go real bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, if you are not your body, no one is their body, and no human being really is part of their body, which means really you can do whatever it is you want to the body, so long as you don't hurt the soul.
dan friesen
And how would you even gauge that?
alex jones
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I think, you know, your soul's fine.
The end.
So, do whatever you want.
Do what thou wilt, as someone might say.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So, Alex told Doocy, when they were working on this stuff, he's like, man, people are gonna be so mad.
We're gonna get some shit for this.
I don't think they have.
alex jones
We're going back.
Four, five, six months ago, and going back two months ago, we were working on this film project, Reset Wars.
I told Jake Doocy, who's very successful in his own right, best-selling author and researcher, that they're going to come after us for this.
And now you see they are really worried about this because we're explaining what the enemy knows and that you don't see on any TV channels, in any newspapers, anywhere.
David Icke is the only other person that...
Conceptualizes it, but we go into the actual nuts and bolts and then show you in the CIA's own admissions that they're aware of this, and then the Bible literally being quoted by the CIA and how they control people.
dan friesen
I'm thrilled to hear that the turd in the punch bowl, David Icke, is now the only person who's been speaking truth all along.
All along!
This is such bullshit.
jordan holmes
All along.
dan friesen
Such nonsense.
Also, it's so funny to hear Alex dance around this dude's credits.
It's just like...
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
It seems very intentional that he's not bringing up this very large aspect of Jake's...
unidentified
He's a hypnotist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a hypnotist.
You cannot have a hypnotist on your news show to tell people the news.
dan friesen
It makes me think of Steve Pachanek a little bit.
jordan holmes
We can't do that.
It's bad.
It's a bad idea.
dan friesen
At least Alex would say that Steve is a psychological operations expert.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
At least he's like, he's in psych warfare.
jordan holmes
As opposed to a hypnotist who's just a personal psychological warfare operation.
dan friesen
Good to be.
So, Doocy starts to bring up MKUltra.
And like I said, I'm really interested in them bringing up specifics.
And it's just such a dry well.
jake ducey
But the most fascinating part really pops in to MKUltra.
And there's a document in the declassified MKUltra that after I got to watch Alex film his Reset Wars course, I was reading back through these documents, and I showed him this document, and it's from Dr. Cameron's notes.
alex jones
You and Cameron.
jake ducey
And it's about a woman who's been asleep for 16 days because they have her on drugs.
They have her with subliminals, all these control systems going on.
And part of the note says she is sleeping well.
She is disoriented as to time only and is probably in her second stage of de-patterning.
And I was like, wow.
You'll see a lot of people cover MKUltra, even the mainstream, New York Times, all these places.
But what do they say?
The headlines are horrific use, government overreach, scary stuff.
But the question is never asked, why are they doing it?
And they're doing it because they realize the mind is literally a computer operating system.
We live in a simulation that's controlled through unconscious consciousness.
And they figured out how to manipulate and control it.
And in the same way, the only way that we're going to win is to de-pattern ourselves.
dan friesen
So, first of all, I love the idea that Jake is blowing his own mind with the idea that the word de-patterning is like the translation of Romans 12.2 he mentioned earlier.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
dan friesen
So sad.
jordan holmes
It's everywhere.
dan friesen
Also, the news does cover why these MKUltra experiments happened.
And you know what?
So do the MKUltra documents that Jake is pretending to have read.
And guess what?
They happened because of rampant, out-of-control anti-communism.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
These programs, MKUltra and its precursors, Project Artichoke and Project Bluebird, were all predicated on the belief that the Soviet Union had already mastered these techniques of mind control, and thus, if we stood any chance in the Cold War, we would need to defensively figure these things out.
When I say this is obvious, I mean that it's so clear that I refuse to believe that Jay could have looked into this at all and not learned this.
One of the major sources of information about the MKUltra program is the 1977 joint hearing before the Senate Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research.
This was a hearing where the then-director of the CIA, Admiral Stansfield Turner, testified, having recently found a bunch of new MKUltra-related documents as a result of a FOIA request.
Many documents had been destroyed, but these ones were accidentally sent to the CIA's budget and fiscal section, and due to a very thorough employee, they were eventually discovered.
Much of this new information that was learned was in line with the 1963 report from an inspection that was done by the Inspector General, but there was added detail and some, like, receipts and stuff.
Anyway, in the documentation from this 1977 hearing, you'll find this.
Quote, the late 1940s and early 1950s were marked by concern over the threat posed by the activities of the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China and other communist bloc countries.
United States concern over the use of chemical and biological agents by these powers was acute.
The belief that hostile powers had used chemical and biological agents in terrorism, brainwashing, and in attacks designed to harass, disable, or kill allied personnel created considerable pressure for a defensive program to investigate chemical and biological agents so that the intelligence community could...
and how their effects could be defeated.
From the earliest points dating back to Bluebird, the focus on anti-communism was explicit.
In the document that was discussing the hypnotist that the agency was contacting in the Bluebird, quote, Redacted was also reported as being reliable, trustworthy, a known anti-communist.
Bluebird officers were unable to find any indications of deviousness or pro-Soviet interests.
The interest was two-pronged that they had.
Essentially, they wanted to break communist spies and know how to keep the Soviet Union from being able to crack our spies.
Naturally, because of the need for intense secrecy of such a project and shoddy oversight internally, this sprawled considerably and led to questions of whether the scientists could, quote, develop means for the control of activities and mental capacities of individuals willing or not.
And it got really out of control and they did horrific, unacceptable and unrationally.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was all of it, though.
It was all entirely motivated by fear of the communists.
The driving forces and the motivations for these projects is very clear.
And the only explanation for Jake not knowing this or saying no one talks about why they did this.
If he knows anything about this subject, he's either hypnotized himself to forget it or Forget it, or he's a liar.
jordan holmes
It is amazing how stupid America was at the time, because if I remember correctly, that ability to control minds was disinformation released specifically by the Soviet Union, and that sent the United States on a billion-dollar witch hunt for magic.
So, that's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, I...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's depressing.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, look, we got this guy, Jake, and he believes that we're all under MKUltra, man.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's happening.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Everywhere.
Yeah.
alex jones
It's happening to you right now.
Right.
jake ducey
And I used to think I was awake when I would listen to you, and then I realized, well, I'm an MKUltra patient.
I know what's happening.
I know about the New World Order, but I'm controlled in my business, in my success, in my finances, in my happiness.
alex jones
By the way, you're not just saying that.
The globalists brag they're externalizing mind control.
That's what the media is.
We are under MKUltra attack.
jake ducey
Absolutely.
And the entire system is perpetuated off of one simple phrase.
I love to say it.
It says, brainwash yourself before the world brainwashes you.
Brainwash yourself before the world brainwashes you.
And that's the entire de-patterning system.
And in extreme examples, Dr. Cameron actually says in one of the documents, they say that Cameron believed that breaking down a patient's mind was akin to a childlike state that would allow him to work from a clean slate whereby he could then program the patients.
dan friesen
So this is being presented as like a real document, so I got pretty excited.
This you and Cameron thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So also, really quick, just to get this off really fast, we're not all under MKUltra.
That's a bizarre statement, and what it really makes me think of is Alex's marketing strategy for selling iodine.
He tries to convince the audience that they're all iodine deficient, and it's causing them to not be as smart as they could be.
This feels exactly the same.
Jake is trying to sell you on the idea that you have a deficiency and he's the person who has what you need to break free of it.
This is all just really shady techniques of sales that they're using on people.
Also, the idea of brainwashing yourself so someone else doesn't is definitely alarming to hear.
Because you know what you could just do?
Think.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Don't you get it?
Don't you get it?
It works for everything.
Kill yourself before the world kills you.
It makes perfect sense.
Any negative thing, eat your leg before the world eats your leg.
Just put it all in there, man.
It makes perfect sense.
That's what you want people to think.
dan friesen
Great.
So at the end of the clip, Jake was talking about Dr. Cameron there.
Like I said, it sounded like he was reading from something, but the text didn't match anything that I'd come across in the files that I'd read.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It took me a while, but I think I figured out where he got this from.
The text that he reads is almost identical to a paragraph in an article from CBC News titled, quote, Brainwashed, The Echoes of MKUltra.
This article has an interesting first paragraph.
The following story is based on material from the CBC podcast Brainwashed, a six-part series.
This is an article discussing the content of a podcast that was investigating MKUltra, which isn't the first source that I would choose to go with, particularly if I was someone who had awareness of the documents.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would make sense.
dan friesen
I became almost entirely convinced that this is exactly where Jake is pulling his information from, because just before this paragraph in the text, there's an image, which is an image of a page from Cameron's notes, which happens to...
the very page of notes that Jake referenced earlier about a woman having 16 days of sleep.
Great.
unidentified
I wasn't fully convinced, though, that this article was what Jake was using, but then His term was psychic driving de-patterning.
jake ducey
Psychic driving de-patterning, which meant playing recorded messages to patients for up to 20 hours, whether they were asleep or whether they were awake.
And in extreme examples, this woman, Esther Schreier, was so, quote, completely de-patterned, She was mute and had trouble swallowing.
dan friesen
Those are literally the details in the next few sentences in that CBC article.
If I had to guess, this article is about the depth of his information on this subject.
The rest is just pseudo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo that he spouts all the time on his own platform.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a simulation.
dan friesen
It's just integrating his own hypnotism scam into the political world of conspiracy that Alex lives in.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Boy.
jordan holmes
If this is a simulation, in what world does it make any sense for you to be able to think your way out of it?
dan friesen
No, because when you think your way into brainwashing yourself, then you're able to see that it's a simulation, and you can create whatever you want.
It's the Matrix!
jordan holmes
That's just...
dan friesen
Don't you want to be Neo?
All you have to do is watch Reset Wars.
jordan holmes
All right, now I...
Okay.
unidentified
I'm...
dan friesen
I see you're hesitant.
jordan holmes
I'm very frustrated by people saying that you can think your way through a simulation.
That's a problem for me.
That's just a part of the simulation.
If it's a simulation, it's being simulated.
You can't unsimulate a simulation if you're inside of it.
dan friesen
Right.
And the exit would be death.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It leads you to some negative thoughts if you...
jordan holmes
Or, if you're in the Matrix, someone has to break you out of it.
Physically.
dan friesen
Which probably would be impossible, because what you are doesn't actually exist outside the simulation.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Like, what does it mean for a sim to be taken out of the game?
It doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
I made it free!
Oh, shit.
I just don't exist anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
Back when I smoked a lot of weed, I used to engage with the idea of the simulation quite a bit.
Read, like, Nick Bostrom stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Blow my mind.
And I kind of came to a conclusion that it doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it is a simulation, it matters exactly as much as if it is not a simulation.
dan friesen
It matters...
Because it's fun to think about.
Yeah.
And thinking about the nature of reality and that kind of stuff is a good use of time.
If you're high.
Yeah.
And you have friends that you like to talk about that kind of stuff with.
It's a good time.
jordan holmes
Hey, you're young.
You're young.
Do it.
unidentified
Get out of the way.
dan friesen
But ultimately, it bears no difference on how you would live your life.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You got it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's like Calvinism.
dan friesen
I might be wrong.
jordan holmes
It's predetermined.
Fine.
It doesn't really matter then, does it?
dan friesen
Right.
So Alex has some ideas about Dr. Ewan Cameron now that this has come up.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
He kidnapped over 10,000 children in the U.S. and Canada.
Other programs use CPS to get them and would keep people asleep sometimes for months with LSD, PCP.
They had video goggles.
You think that's new?
dan friesen
Nothing that I'm going to say at any point in this episode.
Please do not take any of it to be minimizing what these people did.
I'm not doing that.
But Alex is lying.
Yeah.
For one, the Child Protective Service didn't exist until 1980, with the passage of the Adoption Assistance and Child Welfare Act of 1980.
So the timeline doesn't work at all, but Alex just hates the CPS because he thinks that they're trying to take straight families' children and give them to same-sex couples.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's throwing the CPS in with you and Cameron.
jordan holmes
Who's gonna follow up on that?
dan friesen
You?
Sure.
Also, I'm going to need Alex to substantiate the claim that you and Cameron kidnapped tens of thousands of children, because as much of a monster as he is and was, I don't think this matches up with any of the records I can find.
I'm not going to spend my time defending Cameron, but I'm going to say that Alex does a disservice to reality and opposition to people like Cameron by creating cartoon supervillains out of them.
It's really dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It takes a garden-variety banal evil that we need to combat and be aware of on a constant basis and turns it into magical fairies that you don't really need to worry about because it's all the way over there.
It's over there in the distance.
dan friesen
Tens of thousands of children being kidnapped for this program would be...
Front and center.
jordan holmes
Explain to me how you could get away with a classified program for however many years while stealing tens of thousands of children.
Somebody's gonna notice!
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems impossible.
And one of the things that they did is they would do tests on people who were like psychiatric patients and folks who...
jordan holmes
People who couldn't say no.
Who weren't in the ability to have their, yeah.
dan friesen
Not exclusively, but a lot of folks.
jordan holmes
Not exclusively, but a lot of them, yes.
dan friesen
And that would be entirely counter to a strategy that would involve kidnapping tens of thousands of children.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, if Alex can prove that, I'm willing to hear it.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
So here are the, like, sort of the boil downs of, like, this is the level of their argument.
alex jones
And so the stuff they released in 77 with the church committee with MKUltra was only a small...
Part of this, and again, this is 40, 50, 60, 70 years ago.
Imagine what they're doing now.
dan friesen
So that is their argument.
jordan holmes
There it is.
dan friesen
Without proving anything, someone like Alex can just say that known information on a subject is a cover-up and that we should just imagine what they're up to now.
Both of these are just suggestions without meaning.
Anything can be a cover-up if you say it is, and then the conversation kind of hits a dead end.
I mean, what are you going to do?
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
Okay, great.
What now?
Also, the imagine what they're doing now is way weaker of a game.
That's just trying to get the listener to imagine the scariest and most awful thing they can and then giving them permission to think that it's possible or maybe even probable that that's going on now.
These are both intentional strategies where people pretend to have demonstrated a point when they really haven't said anything at all.
And it's getting disappointing.
Because I wanted documents.
jordan holmes
But that's such a good tactic for people who aren't 100% engaged critically at that moment.
Because immediately you go, well, I mean, we've got an iPhone now and they had rotary phones back then.
So if they were that evil back then, I mean, obviously they've accelerated or escalated their problems now.
And that makes a certain sense to you.
But if you're not thinking critically, you know...
It just stays there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Jake, understandably, is pumped about Reset Wars because he's going to teach people that they're not their bodies.
jordan holmes
Money, money, money, money!
jake ducey
And this is why I'm so excited about Reset Wars.
And why I say, everybody, literally go right now, open a browser, go to resetwars.com because...
Throughout history, the way tyranny always wins is to stop us from spiritual awakening.
As long as they trap us in the third dimension, they make us live in an animalistic state of consciousness, believe we're just our physical bodies attached to this little tiny spectrum of visible light, then they win.
But as soon as people start to actually wake up, not just wake up to, hey, pharmaceutical corruption, hey, financial corruption, but actually wake up to who they really are, then the whole game's over.
Because that's what Bill Gates, that's what Klaus Schwab, they all fear people spiritually awakening.
alex jones
And that's why they want to target children so young to screw up their normal trajectory.
dan friesen
Uh-oh, right there.
Alex accidentally revealed his religious zealotry and extremism!
He believes that a child's natural, normal trajectory is ending up with the same Christ-based religious beliefs that he does, and that people who want to provide important medical treatment to children, like vaccines, are doing so to make sure that this normal trajectory goes off course.
It's one thing to say that humans generally tend to gravitate towards feeling a connection to the divine, and they crave to be part of something larger than themselves, which is often found through religion and connection to God, but that's not what Alex is saying.
This is him basically saying that every person who's not a Christian in the sense that Alex understands it is someone whose natural, normal trajectory was knocked off course, likely by an agent of Satan.
This is fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
That's real great.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
That's the level of thinking required to get there.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
High.
dan friesen
That precludes tolerance.
jordan holmes
Top scientists have reached those conclusions as well.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex reveals how little he actually knows about the organization of MKUltra.
alex jones
And the point I was going to make earlier, and I always get one thought and then jump to the next, is Dr. Ewing Cameron was the head of MKUltra.
That's declassified.
Who was his adjunct, his aide-de-camp, his number two?
Jolly and West, who was Tim McVeigh's psychologist when he was on death row, and who was Theodore Kaczynski's psychologist.
dan friesen
This isn't true.
Ewan Cameron was responsible for carrying out a large number of MKUltra-related experiments at his home base at the Allen Memorial Institute at McGill University.
He was paid approximately $60,000 or $500,000 in modern dollars for work he did between 1957 and 1960.
So he was doing this work for three years.
Tens of thousands of children kidnapped in three years.
jordan holmes
That's an accomplishment.
If true.
dan friesen
That's tough.
In reality, Alan Dulles, as the head of the CIA, had given ultimate approval for the program, but it was run by Sidney Gottlieb.
This is a pretty well-known piece of information, and if Alex has as much awareness of the subject as he's pretending to, then he either knows...
That, and this is an intentional lie, or I have no idea what the other alternative is.
jordan holmes
I mean, Alan Dulles is the center of all conspiracies.
dan friesen
Right, but Sidney Gottlieb is really the more important figure here.
jordan holmes
No, that's, I'm sorry, that's my point, is you have to know about Alan Dulles, and if you know about Alan Dulles, you have to know about Sidney Gottlieb.
dan friesen
I think that Alan Dulles exists in Alex's head as, like, in the JFK file.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, yeah, he doesn't exist across other conspiracies.
dan friesen
I gotcha.
Alien West was not Ewan Cameron's aide-de-camp, but he did a ton of experiments on LSD and hypnosis relating to suggestibility and the possibility of implanting false memories in people.
And he definitely was in contact with and funded by Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA for some of his activities.
West also accidentally killed an elephant with LSD.
jordan holmes
Well, that's better than Edison killing it on purpose.
dan friesen
Also, Jolly and West was not Timothy McVeigh's psychologist while he was on death row.
There are claims made that West visited McVeigh in prison, but there are some reasons why that might not be as shocking as it seems.
First, in 1954, he was appointed chair of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma in Oklahoma City.
He had deep roots in the city itself.
Secondly, over the course of his career, West was very involved in criminal cases, sometimes even high-profile ones like the Patty Hearst trial.
I think that that would be a case that he would gravitate towards in terms of understanding the mindset of the perpetrator.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
dan friesen
So I don't think it's impossible that he visited in prison, but I don't think it means that he was brainwashing him or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't make too much sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, and so Alex thinking Ewan Cameron was working hand-in-hand with Jolly and West in order to run MKUltra, it just reveals a depth of not knowing what actually is...
Historically documented.
jordan holmes
And an abundance of not giving a fuck about what really happened.
dan friesen
So I don't know if you know this.
jordan holmes
I don't!
dan friesen
Did you know that the Pentagon has the ability to change your emotions with a ray gun?
jordan holmes
I did know that.
jake ducey
They say, they admit, the Pentagon admits that they can use microwaves and electromagnetic frequencies to literally...
Control someone's brain and change their emotions.
alex jones
And we're going to show you the patents.
We're going to show you the news articles.
U.S. News& World Report 20, 30 years ago.
And when you read the patents, it's 5G.
5G is a mind-control system.
jordan holmes
Sure, it's 5G.
jake ducey
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So I guess now it's 5G.
jordan holmes
It's 5G, Dan!
It's all of it.
It's a simulation, but also 5G within the simulation is made by Stiff for different simulations.
And then there's Jesus and God and the devil and Alan Dulles all up in here.
dan friesen
This makes me so mad.
jordan holmes
I'm so frustrated.
dan friesen
We're not even close to the depths of this frustration, too.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Well, he's talking about the government having brain control ray guns, and the vibrational pattern of them or whatever is identical to what is now 5G.
So they're putting in 5G towers everywhere so they can control everyone's emotions.
Now, I think that that would lack the ability to specifically target people, because I would assume that these 5G towers would affect everyone in the vicinity.
jordan holmes
It'd be like a big field.
dan friesen
So you'd be making...
A lot of people angry.
jordan holmes
Or just why not turn everybody to happy?
dan friesen
Hey.
jordan holmes
I mean, that seems like a simple, if you can control everybody's emotions and everybody's happy who's working better and doing all that better stuff and having better relationships, fucking, if you're going to be evil, why not do it the right way?
dan friesen
Sure.
So earlier, Alex implied that the Reset Wars is basically being born again.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You know, resetting your brain is basically just being born again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not the baptism or anything.
dan friesen
That was a little bit sacrilegious.
This kind of veers in the same direction.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I'm just going to say, this is very close to what the devil did in the Garden of Eden.
dan friesen
What we're going on there right now.
alex jones
And I'm just going to be honest with the listeners, that's what this is.
But it's the other way back.
You see, they already did it to us before to forget who we were.
Now we've got to wake up to that fact.
dan friesen
Wow.
So Alex is undoing what the Satan did in the Garden of Eden.
jordan holmes
It is about time.
I'm going to tell you this right now.
It took a while to get here, and I'm glad we've got here.
Okay?
dan friesen
And it's funny that he's doing this at the moment of his greatest desperation.
jordan holmes
I mean, just insane.
Just insane.
dan friesen
Almost like this is a Hail Mary.
jordan holmes
It is a bit of an 80-yard pass.
This is Dante Culpepper years.
dan friesen
Yeah, this to me just smells like, well, I got no other moves left.
jordan holmes
I got a big swing.
I got to do whatever I got to do.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, I think that Alex is implying that Reset Wars has the ability to undo original sin.
alex jones
This is like a snake coming down a tree, talking to Eve and talking to Adam.
We were perfect because we were following God's pattern.
And then a new pattern was put in.
But it feels dirty to even go back to that moment to be there at the tree and to say, hey, you want to get rid of this pattern?
unidentified
You could have God's pattern.
alex jones
But that's what this is.
You've got to serve somebody.
My whole will, everything I am, is about being straight with you.
That's why they say Alex Jones is never wrong.
No, I'm right about 97% of the time.
Sometimes I get distorted or get sped up on something wrong or see it wrong, and later I tell you I'm wrong.
I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
But, I mean, you're right 97% of the time.
You know what's going on.
You know comedy.
You already innately don't need the news to tell you.
You know in your spirit.
Your spirit's so old, so powerful, so real.
Your spirit.
dan friesen
No!
Who cares if there's factual inaccuracies in the basic details of the things you're talking about?
If your spirit is old and powerful, it knows the truth 97% of the time.
You would think that if it's a spirit, it would be right 100% of the time.
Why would there be that 3% of the time when your spirit's wrong?
jordan holmes
Oh, but he's nerfect, Dad.
dan friesen
That's dumb.
Also, I don't think Reset Wars is going to undo Original Sin.
I think that's lofty.
jordan holmes
Now, you say that, but you're not thinking proactively.
This is what we're talking about here, Dan.
You need to re-pattern your mind to think more towards a positive view of changing Original Sin.
dan friesen
This also leads me to question whether or not you could show the devil Reset Wars and make the devil good.
jordan holmes
I mean, why not?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
The devil should be able to reprogram himself.
jordan holmes
See, why is this on your vision board?
The devil having a better day!
unidentified
Yeah, Jake, manifest that.
jordan holmes
They just don't have any imagination.
For people who believe that anything is possible within God's power, they just don't have any imagination.
dan friesen
It's true.
So Alex has some prescriptions of what you should be doing.
alex jones
And we're here simply trying to get everybody...
To realize we can fight all the enemy's attacks, we can fight all the racism and all the sexism and all the stuff they spew in the name of Stoppenden, or we can just reach up to the divine and grasp what was already given to us.
We're given the false apple of, I'll tell you about the universe, just do this with me over here.
Instead of like, no, you've got to reach up even higher, and God's hand is reaching down.
dan friesen
This is an interesting perspective.
If you're someone who doesn't necessarily believe in religious stuff, you might hear this as a racist using over-the-top religious imagery to plead with people to stop trying to fight racism.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You might hear this as a misogynist using ridiculous rhetoric to beg people to just stop trying to fight sexism.
You might hear those things because those are the real-world effects of what Alex is proposing.
It serves the purpose of trying to make the audience care even less about these social issues, and to be hostile and condescending towards people who do care about such things.
I don't personally believe that there is a God whose hand you can grab if you ignore racism and sexism, but if there is, and Alex is the embodiment of what it means to have grabbed that hand, I want no part of it.
It seems awful.
Personally, I believe that if there is a God, the best way we can pay homage to and serve that God is to respect, care about, and serve each other.
That can come in many forms, but working towards equality in our social systems is definitely one of those things, and I think would be an homage to God.
unidentified
You know, see, this is another thing with imagination.
jordan holmes
These people are constantly associating this with good.
Like, what if God is just a piece of shit?
You know?
Like, what if Alex is right in what God wants him to do, and we're out here, the one who's actually the problem is God himself.
He's just a real piece of shit.
He's a misogynist.
He's a racist.
Why?
I don't know.
He's God!
dan friesen
Yeah, how could we possibly understand the workings of the mind of God?
jordan holmes
We see through a glass darkly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So, I think that it's...
dan friesen
It's troubling that the insistence that Jake has is so much on this, like, you're not your body thing.
And this is just, this leads to something hilarious.
jake ducey
It wasn't that long ago, if you asked me who I was, I would have said, my name's Jake Ducey, I'm 6 '3", this is my blue eyes, this is how long my hair is, this is who I am.
But this is just a rental car.
It's a fingernail to who I really am.
alex jones
And how empowering is it once you realize that?
jake ducey
It's incredibly empowering.
And here's what's something that's so interesting.
I sent you this text the other day on my YouTube channel.
Someone left a comment, and they said, as a black man, I don't know how this blonde hair, blue-eyed guy's videos popped up, but I don't want to watch you because legacy media has told me, because you're white, you're a racist, you're evil, you're the devil.
But while I'm listening to your video right now, I have this deep fear that actually we all come from the same source and they've been lying to me.
alex jones
He knows!
dan friesen
Totally real YouTube comment.
jordan holmes
That's a 100% real YouTube comment that a 100% real black person 100% real wrote.
That's totally real.
That's a real thing that accidentally happens to fit exactly with what it is he would hope somebody would write.
dan friesen
I also think that even if it is a real comment...
It's kind of sad to cite YouTube comments as being really...
jordan holmes
This is the pulse of the nation, Dan.
dan friesen
So I think that your body as a rental car stuff has pretty widespread troubling implications if...
Just combined with Alex.
That's basically one of my major theses.
jordan holmes
Even John Mayer has troubling issues when combined with Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, your body's a wonderling?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
What are you going to do with that?
dan friesen
So I finally get something that resembles a document here.
jake ducey
Every time you have an emotion, you activate cells, they build a neurological connection.
alex jones
They're programming your brain.
jake ducey
Yeah, and they know it.
Here's a document.
From the U.S. Army College of War, and they say, quote, the mind has no innate firewall to protect itself from electromagnetic weapons.
What's an electromagnetic weapon?
Well, what's anything?
jordan holmes
What?
jake ducey
This is just an electromagnetic field.
There's no such thing as matter.
What?
alex jones
Could you describe us in the Pentagon documents from the 60s and 70s that we are these energy creatures they're controlling?
They say it.
We're going to show all this.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So that's not a direct quote that Jake is doing, but it's taken from an article published in the U.S. Army War College quarterly.
It was an article from 1998, and it's written by a guy named Timothy L. Thomas, who had been published pretty widely in the past 20 years or more in the area of foreign intelligence operation and psychological warfare.
jordan holmes
Are you going to tell me that I have to listen to something that Tim Tom wrote?
dan friesen
Tim Tom.
The title of the article is The Mind Has No Firewall, and the basic gist of it is this.
For decades, the idea of information warfare had to do with penetrating enemy stores of information and disrupting their data collection abilities while simultaneously protecting our own.
Typically, this was thought of in terms of computers, but new developments had forced people to recognize that the human body itself is a powerful data collection instrument, and if you subject the senses to various stimulus, you can create varying effects.
The example of sonic weapons and the ability to trigger a seizure through flashing lights are used to illustrate this concept.
The article then brings up the work of a Russian doctor named Viktor Solnitsev, who proposed that the human organism needed to be seen as an open system, not a single thing in and of itself or a closed system.
This is to say that environmental influences and information flow into the open system that is the person has the potential to, quote, cause a change in the psychophysiological condition of an organism.
This is discussed in terms of the relationship between computer and computer user, how it might be possible for, quote, a computer modified to become a weapon by using its energy output to emit acoustics that debilitate the operator.
Solnitsev is discussed as someone who is warning about that future potential for this.
He's not encouraging it.
It's like, look out, this is possible.
So Solnitzev also warned about the idea of information noise, which is essentially an overwhelming stimulus and signals.
Quote, behavior modification could be one objective of information noise.
Another could be to upset an individual's mental capacity to such an extent as to prevent reaction to any stimulus.
This was just his theory, but honestly, the concept made me think of Alex.
His show is just a constant barrage of bullshit your mind can't possibly process if you're just listening to the show.
You have to be critically examining it to even see what he's saying and how much he's full of shit.
I could see that leading to an audience ending up with a difficult time reacting to any real stimulus.
And then the only real solution to any of the problems Alex rants about ends up being to give him money or to promote his show to other people who might give him money.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So that was fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a good corollary.
dan friesen
Generally speaking, this article is largely about physical effects that could be produced with the use of weapons that would interfere with the body's data-gathering abilities.
With modification, these technological applications have many uses.
Acoustic weapons, for example, could be adapted for use as acoustic rifles or acoustic fields that, once established, might protect facilities, assist in hostage rescues, control riots, or clear paths for convoys.
These waves, which can penetrate buildings, offer a host of opportunities for military and law enforcement officials.
Microwave weapons, by stimulating the peripheral nervous system, can heat up the body, induce epileptic-like seizures, or cause cardiac arrest.
Low frequency radiation affects the electrical activity of the brain and can cause flu-like symptoms and nausea.
Obviously, being the target of those sorts of weapons could absolutely have psychological effects, but they wouldn't be the primary objective of the weapon's use, and the precise reaction would be essentially impossible to predict.
So the stuff that's being discussed is not psychological in nature the way that Jake is implying.
jordan holmes
A lower-level example would be like a mall playing an ultra-high-frequency noise that only younger children can hear.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
In order to kind of keep them away from certain areas.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
They do that.
dan friesen
They do?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Okay, yeah, I guess.
Or a dog fence.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
The article further discusses how the U.S. had voiced willingness to work with international treaties against these kinds of weapons, and one of the primary concerns that exist is the idea of non-state actors who wouldn't be bound by these sorts of treaties using these kinds of weapons.
These are people referred to as psychoterrorists.
This is where the idea of the mind not having a firewall...
The article ends talking about how Russian researchers were looking into topics like ESP,
telekinesis and clairvoyance for the purposes of defending against them quote according to russian tv broadcasts the strategic rocket forces have begun anti-esp training to ensure that no outside force can take over command and control functions of the force that is they are trying to construct a fire Why do we allow people who believe in ESP to fight war?
Well, just in case.
jordan holmes
That's not good!
unidentified
Just in case.
jordan holmes
No!
No!
dan friesen
That's really what this is.
It's an article in this journal about how when we talk about protecting systems like computers, the military never gives proper focus to the operators of those computers and how, quote, Yeah, it's like social engineering.
jordan holmes
If you've got a really good defense system or lock system around your building, the easiest way to get in is find somebody who's got a key.
And be like, hey, can I have that?
dan friesen
This doesn't prove any of the points Alex or Jake are trying to make.
They've just taken a couple words from this article and misused them in order to pretend that it says what they want it to say.
I look forward to hearing about these documents that prove that we're energy creatures, though.
The CIA talking about energy creatures.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one was interesting.
I think he's trying to say that our atoms at a fundamental, on the quantum level, are magnetic fields.
And so what we feel as a surface is just our magnetic fields touching each other.
dan friesen
You might be onto something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
It's fantastic.
Good work, dude.
dan friesen
And you know what?
My field right now is touching your field.
jordan holmes
Hey, watch out!
Get out of here!
This is my personal field.
jake ducey
It looks like I stop right here and Alex stops right here, but you and I are a field of energy.
My field goes to about right there and our field's joined.
Everything is just a field.
And Max Planck, the father of quantum physics, you quote him in your course, he says...
As a man who won the Nobel Prize in 1913, he says, as a man who's devoted his entire life to the most clear-headed science in the world, the study of atoms, I can tell you this much.
There's no matter as such.
So the electromagnetic weapons are important because what are we?
We're an electromagnetic field of energy.
alex jones
And the key is it's observation, which is the quantum physics.
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
Other than microwaves that'll physically kill you, if you're aware of the attack, you can defeat it.
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
Because your will controls the field.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Not some stupid machine firing it.
dan friesen
So I honestly tried so hard to find that quote that he used from Max Planck in its original form so I could get some context, but I just hit a dead end.
The most consistent attribution of this quote is to a 1944 speech that Planck gave in Florence, Italy.
The source that's cited is something within the Max Planck Institute's archive, so I went off to try and find it there.
The first problem is that archive is all in German, and I don't speak German, so even just figuring out how the archive is organized was a huge pain in the ass.
It took a while, but I was eventually able to deduce the details of where the citation was pointing to.
This was ABT 5, Section A, Repository 11. So I found ABT5, Section A, and thankfully, there it was.
A collection of numbered repositories.
Unfortunately, the archive jumps from number 10 to number 11, so there's no actually accounting of what's in 11. And that was intensely frustrating.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
That's really frustrating.
dan friesen
A long way to go, only to be like, aha, 10, 12. That's a slap in the face.
That said, I'm not able to find this actual speech in its original form, but I'm willing to believe that that's essentially an accurate quote of something Planck would have said.
speech in 1944.
Sure.
unidentified
I really wanted to get a better handle on the context this was set in, but that apparently isn't coming.
dan friesen
Even without greater context, it's a pretty far leap from Planck's comments to, quote, we're all energy fields, and once we become aware of that, we can change the fields at will.
I think Planck's point was more that science was coming to a point where the conventional understanding of matter being completely solid blocks of stuff was being challenged by new breakthroughs that showed that on the tiniest level, things that appear to be solid are not Yeah.
unidentified
This is interesting and very important to various scientific fields, but it doesn't really have as much practical application in day-to-day life as they're implying.
dan friesen
Like, I know that my wall isn't actually...
jordan holmes
It would be hard for me to believe that Plank went from, you know, everything that he's done in his life to then giving a speech where he's like, guess what?
All that quantum stuff I told you about, you have complete control over it.
Magic's real, I'm Max Planck, and then drops the mic.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's one thing to understand this phenomenon that something that appears to be solid on a subatomic level may not be.
jordan holmes
Quantum physics is cool, right?
dan friesen
It's another thing to be like, my intention will determine whether or not this stays solid.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, there we go.
That's an issue.
That's an issue.
dan friesen
And I guess if he's just saying that, like, your emotions are controlled by, like, you can't control your emotions somewhat.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, your thinking can, you know, this is a basic tenet of therapy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like analyzing and changing the way your thought patterns work can have an effect on your emotions or your field.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I guess if he's saying that, great, but it's not groundbreaking.
jordan holmes
What I say to that is, ugh!
dan friesen
I feel like this is just a conversation between a washed-up bigot and a guy who's found a way to monetize conversations you have with your friends when you're high freshman year of college.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
That seems to be about where we're at.
jordan holmes
I think you nailed it.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Jake is going on this firewall thing, right?
He talked about that article, the Minds Have No Firewall.
jordan holmes
I think Harrison Ford and Denzel's greatest movie, I want to say.
dan friesen
I disagree.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
jake ducey
In these sections of the Army documents, they talk about how the mind has no firewall, right?
One of the things China has is a firewall on their internet and it's something that we don't have that Robert Spalding who wrote the stealth war about China in the US talks about and he talks about how we don't have a firewall.
We're susceptible to cyber attacks, but we don't have a firewall on our own minds.
dan friesen
I think Jake is misunderstanding something important here.
The firewall that people talk about with China isn't something that protects them from cyber attacks or viruses.
It's government-run limitations on what sites people in China can visit on the internet.
jordan holmes
It's better than saying the great censorship.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not a cybersecurity measure.
It's censorship.
We do have plenty of strategies in place to protect against foreign cyber attack, but just like is the case with literally anything, just having some protections in place doesn't guarantee that the folks who are trying to do harm won't find new ways to get around those protections, which then forces you to find new strategies.
and the same is true for China.
jordan holmes
No, no, no one's ever had to update their antivirus software.
dan friesen
Also, just because it's funny, in 2018, Robert Spalding had to step down from the National Security Council because a memo came out where he outlined a, quote, plan to nationalize the development of 5G wireless networks.
unidentified
And who will profit?
dan friesen
Man, that just hits Alex in two really tender spots.
This was a plan to nationalize something which he hates, and the thing that's being nationalized is 5G networks, which Alex just said is related to this attack on our energy field.
This Spalding guy must have been pretty evil if he's going around making proposals like that.
Of course, that stuff is just ignored, and we focus on how Spalding is critical of China because that works for the narratives these dudes are trying to build and sell to the audience.
alex jones
But you know what?
dan friesen
Maybe like Alex was just talking shit earlier when he said that this was just 5G.
Maybe he was just trying to see how that feels.
Maybe it wasn't a real belief that he has.
jake ducey
The head of DARPA, the old head of DARPA, says that they figured out how to use electromagnetic weapons to, quote, induce the brain to release behavioral regulation.
alex jones
They described the frequency they were using in the 70s, and it's 5G.
dan friesen
Oh no, it seems like it's actually a belief of his.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Yep, it's 5G.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So also that quote that Jake's using about DARPA, that doesn't come from any official document, declassified or otherwise.
It's from a 1997 article in the U.S. News and World Report titled, quote, Wonder Weapons, the Pentagon's quest for non-lethal arms is amazing, but is it smart?
Most of this article is about what you would expect.
Acoustic weapons, lasers that can temporarily blind targets, and microwave weapons that could raise a person's body temperature to make them feel sick.
Each of these is conceived as a way to disarm or incapacitate someone who poses a threat without killing them.
The laser one, that's pretty easy, but the other two were not really at operational status, according to this article.
They're sort of in development.
Ideas are being thrown around.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So far, we've tried it, and we've boiled someone, and that was a bad start.
So we put it on the back burner for a while.
dan friesen
The line that Jake is repeating from this article is about research related to the article's author by Eldon Byrd.
Byrd was not the former head of DARPA, although that is an organization name that conspiracy theorists are addicted to throwing out.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, just toss that in there.
dan friesen
He was actually the head of the Marine Corps Non-Lethal Electromagnetic Weapons Project, which is run out of the Armed Forces Radiobiology Research Institute.
Saying that this was DARPA makes it easier for the audience, though, because it gives them something to hold on to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm familiar with DARPA.
I might as well just believe it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Byrd was in this position from 1980 to 1983, and he claimed...
He claims that he did experiments that found that, quote, by using very low-frequency electromagnetic radiation, he found he could induce the brain to release behavior-regulating chemicals.
The issue, though, is that the waves that they were using were very weak and the effects were short-lived.
He claims that he was able to do things like make chick brains release their natural opioids in utero and get certain cells in rat brains to release histamine, which would cause nausea and flu-like symptoms.
The program was never, quote, tested in the field, and though his program was meant to last four years, it was closed after just two.
This doesn't pass muster in terms of justifying the claims Alex and Jake are making.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with a big no on that one.
dan friesen
Opposition to research programs like this that rely on insisting that weak evidence like this proves that the government is mind-controlling everyone on a mass scale and that the answer is rebooting your brain is pointless opposition.
jordan holmes
I made a rat sick, so I guess I can control minds.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Check that out.
dan friesen
This research is interesting on that level.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
But they're also...
They're relying on something that was being told to a writer of an article in the U.S. News and World Report, as opposed to any data, any actual report, any science on this.
And that is not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would like more peer-reviewed facts before I start just going along with, I can make chicks release opioids in the womb.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Just not good work.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
It's faulty.
jordan holmes
It's almost like it's there to be exploited.
dan friesen
It's almost like it's a hypnotist's trick.
jordan holmes
Look at these keys.
dan friesen
Look, I'm going to make this article magically appear to be a declassified document.
Great.
So Alex and Jake, they really want to talk about being in the spirit, right?
We're in the spirit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so Jake's going off on that.
And then Alex says something.
Deeply revealing.
jake ducey
That we are connected to this divine power and through inspiration we can transform our mind.
We can think and feel greater than our environment.
That's how we access new ideas.
That's how we change the world.
alex jones
We must come out of the world and then get into spirit and then take over the world.
jake ducey
In this world, but not of it, right?
alex jones
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So that right there was a gigantic tell that Alex is full of shit.
They're going on about this esoteric mumbo-jumbo about how you have to let go of yourself as a physical person in order to defeat the globalists, but Alex can't separate this plan from the end goal of taking over the world.
He's unable to conceive of an end goal for this process of liberation that doesn't involve the accumulation of power.
That's pretty much the exact opposite of what one would be interested in as an end goal if you were preaching detachment from the physical world.
Who cares if you take over the physical world?
It's not real.
jordan holmes
If I recall correctly, and I'm gonna throw this out there, it was the meek who were intended to inherit.
At what point do you stop being meek?
Is it the part where you go, let's take over the world?
dan friesen
It's not really inheriting so much.
I don't know if the meek usually have that goal.
And also, this is not a small point, but like...
How does this idea that we're not our physical bodies mesh with Alex's obsession with property rights?
Not only do you not have ownership over your car, according to Alex, this car doesn't even exist.
How can you possibly exert property rights over malleable waves and force fields or whatever the fuck?
Alex's ideology and worldview is starkly at odds with what he's preaching now, because the bedrock of Alex's ideology for his entire career has involved two important concepts, individualism and materialism.
Giving these two things such primary focus for his entire career is antithetical to the we're not our bodies nonsense he's preaching now.
If we're not our bodies, then none of his politics make any sense.
If you're not your body, then you should have no problem with abortion because that soul is just going to go back to heaven or come back to earth in another body rental car.
If you're not your body, then the argument for unalienable right to self-defense doesn't even make sense anymore.
It's really fascinating, and I honestly think that this has the potential to either completely destroy Alex's career or serve as a pivot into a new attempt at this pseudo-spiritual grift.
But I have some bad news.
Alex would be shitty at that grift.
No one wants namaste being yelled at them.
jordan holmes
It's not going to work.
dan friesen
I find this so interesting, though.
I would love to hear Alex try and explain property rights under this new paradigm.
I don't think it would be possible.
jordan holmes
Well, as somebody who has studied Buddhism for a long time, I would say that many of the great Buddhist masters, while they preached detachment, were also obsessed with taking over the world.
And that is something that a lot of people don't remember.
Amitabha Buddha, he was super nice.
He was super nice.
On the surface.
But deep down, that motherfucker wanted to take everybody to the cleaners.
dan friesen
Well, if you believe, like, let's say this desk here.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It appears to be solid.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
But in reality, it's not.
This doesn't actually even matter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
How can I be mad?
If you take it.
I don't have ownership over this non-matter.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Detach yourself from these material things and kill anybody who tries to take them.
I don't understand.
It all makes perfect sense, Dan.
dan friesen
The physical world isn't real, but fucking kill somebody if they steal your car.
jordan holmes
One of the great noble truths is you gotta fuck somebody up sometimes.
dan friesen
This is dumb.
And I wonder if Alex's audience will pick up on that.
Because I think that it could do him some real serious damage.
In terms of audience retention, if they do start to question those things.
jordan holmes
The religiosity that he's preached has a certain connotation to it that I feel like people resonate with in his audience.
And to switch to new-agey bullshit, I don't think they're going to follow along with it.
dan friesen
I think some will.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, some are just trapped.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, it's hard to say.
I don't know how much...
Costuming of, like, the globalists and the New World Order and Illuminati, I don't know how much of that is going to be required to make this palatable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because there are these differences.
Like, materialism is really big for Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Property rights, the free market, these kinds of things are what Alex's career is based on standing for.
And this is a system that has no interest in that.
jordan holmes
And yet, at the same time, is almost...
I mean, there is also the obsession with using this system to get stuff.
dan friesen
Oh, on Jake's part, yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So it is a bit like, you know, you're trading fighting the communists for believing that if you believe hard enough, the communists will just go away.
dan friesen
Right.
Also...
The ideas of individualism that Alex is obsessed with really run counter to this.
You are not yourself.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I wish him the best, and by that I mean the worst.
So Alex advises the audience now, hey, don't go see, like, if you have medical, like, you know, mental health problems, don't, don't, don't.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no, no, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Don't get help with those.
jordan holmes
You can get hurt.
alex jones
Jake Ducey's here with us.
This is, yeah, don't let them mold your mind.
Take control of your mind.
Be aware of how they manipulate your mind.
You'll become stronger.
Don't go to some psychologist or psychiatrist in the system telling you're a failure, you're weak, it's over, they got pills for you.
Give me a break, ladies and gentlemen.
Transcend it all.
Don't be a victim.
But I got a compilation of Fauci flip-flopping statements and comments on masks.
dan friesen
Who cares if Fauci is flip-flopping on masks?
The audience already hates Fauci, and they aren't wearing masks, and we're talking about how we're not our physical bodies.
This could not be more trivial compared to the topics Alex is pretending to cover.
I found that to be a jarring handbrake.
No, that's not okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that's not okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, all right.
Ooh, esoteric ideas proven by CIA.
A document that we have.
Also, Fauci maybe isn't consistent about masks.
jordan holmes
This whole fucking thing is a simulation.
Who gives a shit about what Fauci is or is not saying?
dan friesen
The mask isn't real.
jordan holmes
It's not real.
It's a field, I guess.
So why are you complaining about it like you can't breathe?
You're not even the person breathing.
You're just a field.
dan friesen
Breath isn't real.
jordan holmes
It's not real!
God damn it.
dan friesen
So, all right, here we go.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We're going to get into the docs now.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Finally, we're going to get into the docs.
alex jones
Let's start getting into all these documents, the history, the controlling, what they admit they're doing, how they're trying to erase our personalities.
They were beta testing in the 50s, 60s, 70s.
The last time stuff was declassified was 77. We can see it now all on a mass scale, and I've got a bunch of articles where they admit they're currently doing it to us.
So shouldn't people be aware of what's currently being done to them?
dan friesen
I'm excited to get into these documents, but also right off the bat, Alex is completely wrong.
He's saying that the last time documents were declassified about MKUltra is 1977, and that is incorrect.
A guy named John Greenwald submitted FOIA requests and was given thousands of pages of documents about MKUltra back in 2004.
Alex saying this leads me to believe that he doesn't know much about this topic, or possibly he just stopped learning new things about it prior to 2004.
Also, Greenwald was engaged in another FOIA request in 2018, this one specifically regarding behavioral modification, and in response, he received over a thousand more pages.
Now, I will grant that a lot of the pages there in those dumps were not really that interesting.
Things like check disbursements, but there was also relevant interest in there.
It's pretty glaring for Alex to accidentally admit that he just made this big class about MKUltra stuff, but weirdly isn't aware of things past 1977.
jordan holmes
You don't want to let the modernity get in the way of lore, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
jordan holmes
You gotta have lore.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, we're getting to the documents.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Documents!
jordan holmes
I kinda don't believe you.
unidentified
Documents!
jordan holmes
I really don't believe you.
dan friesen
Here's the first one.
jordan holmes
I think we've got six more clips before we get to a single document.
dan friesen
No, no, there's a document.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Sort of.
jake ducey
Yeah, this one's fascinating.
This one is from Richard Cesaro.
He's the deputy director, was the deputy director of the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects, DARPA.
This is an actual quote.
He says, quote, in our experiments, we did some remarkable things, and there was no question in my mind that you can get into the brain with microwaves.
If you really make the breakthrough, you've got something better than any bomb ever built, because when you finally come down the line, you're talking about controlling people's...
Minus.
alex jones
So that's their argument.
Put in the 5G, so no one riots, so no one's bad, but their depopulation is doing it.
It'd be bad enough if good guys put this in.
But these are bad guys that put this in.
dan friesen
Oh, they're bad.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
This isn't from a document per se.
It comes from a May 15th, 1988 article in the Asbury Park Press, which actually isn't true.
The Asbury Park Press is quoting something that Richard Cesaro said two years prior in an interview with an unspecified entity.
I can find hundreds of conspiracy blogs repeating the quote, but the closest I can get to the original context is this Asbury Park Press article, which I find unsatisfying, but oh well.
Even so, the article is kind of telling, and it shoots some holes in Jake's certainty.
The article does say that Cesaro claimed these things, but it also says, quote, Initially, Pandora researchers believed that the irradiation had caused subtle behavioral effects in test animals.
Later, however, reanalysis of the experimental data raised doubts about its validity.
A scientific review panel decided in 1970 that the project should be disbanded.
It was never tested on humans, and the experimental data that Cesaro is referring to was found to be dubious upon reexamination.
This isn't the slam dunk that Jake thinks it is.
And more to the point, it's not even a document in the sense that Alex is using the terms.
Like, this isn't declassified, it's nothing.
It's an Asbury Park Press article.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I'm looking for declassified proof, not quotes from an interview that you can't even find the full text of anymore.
And also, the reason that Cesaro was doing this research was because we were afraid of the Soviets and communists doing that same research and we didn't want them to have a leg up.
This is going to be a very consistent pattern that this stuff...
Alex is mysteriously unaware of that motivation that they had.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yep.
People in America were so paranoid about communism.
They went on multiple witch hunts, engaged in nonstop racism, exploded things left and right, and believed in magic for a good long while.
dan friesen
And tortured a lot of vulnerable people.
jordan holmes
And tortured a lot of vulnerable people.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Sucks.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Let's never do that again!
dan friesen
Before we started the show, I told you that there were a couple of clips that were essentially...
Cold water being splashed in my face.
This is one of them.
This was so shocking.
jake ducey
Even masks are another example of trapping you into your physical body.
It's another anchor that brings you back into lower emotions.
You're afraid of dying, even though you can't die because everything's energy and energy's never created or destroyed.
It's only transferred to different states.
alex jones
First law of thermodynamics.
jake ducey
Yeah, so you can't die.
dan friesen
I think it's safe to say that we have crossed a very serious bridge here.
Not only are you not your physical body, but apparently now you can't die.
Dying is impossible, since you're just energy, and energy can't be created or destroyed.
I just don't know what to say at this point.
Like, a week ago, Alex was giving growling, heart-to-heart talks to his audience about how it might be time for you to think about killing your family members, if you know your family members believe in vaccines.
Now we have this dopey hypnotist in Alex trying to sell a bill of goods about how you can't die, and the physical reality isn't real.
I think this has a high chance of leading to some people getting hurt.
And I hope whatever Jake is paying Alex for exposure is worth it to him, because this could go so bad.
jordan holmes
This is a smorgasbord of bullshit.
Like, if you want to believe anything, you can find it in these clips here.
Like, they're both talking so fast about so little so aggressively that you can just be like, hey, yeah, yeah, that one sounds like it resonates with me.
I can't die.
Sure.
Great.
dan friesen
And, you know, if you gotta save the kids from the vaccines.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's okay.
dan friesen
And you gotta kill your family member.
They're not really dying.
jordan holmes
They're not dead.
dan friesen
It's impossible to kill somebody.
jordan holmes
What is dead may never die, Dan.
I watched Game of Thrones.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're ironborn.
unidentified
Boo.
jordan holmes
Boo indeed.
Big boo.
This is dangerous.
Matter is never created or destroyed, so that means we can't die.
I read that in science.
dan friesen
I was wondering if there were ways for...
Alex to get less responsible or more irresponsible, and this is definitely a way.
jordan holmes
A little bit surprised that we went straight into you can't die.
dan friesen
And Alex not pushing back on it being like, first rule of horrible to Alex.
jordan holmes
Man, I mean, and that's not even like, we're not even in that level of like, your soul doesn't die or anything like that.
He's just straight up like, whatever, you'll probably be reconstituted into something else somewhere else.
Who cares?
dan friesen
No, no, no.
It's not even that, like, your soul, or what, I guess maybe it's your soul, but it's that you are not your body.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a rental car that just breaks down if you die.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, eh?
jordan holmes
But matter can never be created or destroyed.
dan friesen
But your body's not matter.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
Let's stop right here.
Let's stop right here.
Okay.
If my soul...
Then what's my soul?
Is my soul matter?
Is that what he's trying to say?
Is he trying to say that the soul is also physical?
dan friesen
I don't think he gets into it.
I would be curious.
jordan holmes
I want to know.
dan friesen
Because I think it does have to have something to do with these fields.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I wonder if he thinks the fields have any physical existence.
jordan holmes
I mean, if it cannot be created or destroyed, then yes, it is.
dan friesen
Are the fields a function of the simulation?
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good question.
dan friesen
Did the simulators...
Is it a glitch in the simulation that we have the ability to manipulate these fields around us or whatever?
jordan holmes
I mean, it can't be a glitch in the simulation.
That would be...
Like, then it could break.
And then we'd all die.
dan friesen
Well, that's the end of the world.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess that's fine.
If we all die, it's like nobody died.
dan friesen
There's a lot of questions that come up that are not answered.
No.
Let's just say that.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So, we get to another example of what is supposed to be a document.
I'm not sure that is the case.
jake ducey
Everybody go to ResetWars.com, sign up.
Right now, ResetWars.com and sign up right now for the early burn list because, look, they've got all these.
They say, DARPA, quote, the aim of the program is to remotely disrupt political dissonant and extremism by employing transcranial magnetic stimulation in tandem with sophisticated propaganda based on this technology.
alex jones
And then you read it, it's 5G, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what you heard?
jake ducey
I mean, and think about that.
dan friesen
Think about it.
unidentified
Think about it.
dan friesen
Alex has to keep chiming in with that.
We gotta make this something our audience can kind of relate to, so it's gotta be 5G over and over again.
jordan holmes
We're getting a little bit hard out here.
dan friesen
So Jake's quote there isn't from a document or anything official.
It's the characterization that's been given to comments made by an anonymous whistleblower as written up on the website...
Blog, Activist Post.
Firstly, Activist Post is a dumb website with a heavy conspiracy-leaning bend.
It's basically a less ambitious Infowars without a charismatic lead singer like Alex.
Here's all you need to know about this site.
The fourth book listed on their recommended reading list is AIDS Incorporated by John Rapoport.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
John Rappaport's AIDS denialism book.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Number four on their reading list.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I was like, oh, well, it's obviously going to be Behold a Pale Horse or something like that.
And then you went to Rappaport.
dan friesen
Yep, Rappaport.
jordan holmes
Then you told me that they can't even hang up a fucking picture.
dan friesen
Yep.
Along with this on the reading list are books by Infowars favorites like Webster Tarpley, Mark Dice, David Icke, and for good measure, another book by Rappaport.
Also, none dare call it conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this was a post about an anonymous whistleblower contacting them and telling them that DARPA was running a study at Arizona State University that was meant to use transcranial magnetic stimulation to affect the brain's narrative processing.
This was a real project that was undertaken by ASU titled, quote, Toward Narrative Disruptors and Inductors, mapping the narrative comprehension network and its persuasive effects.
What this really comes down to is interpretation.
Like, if you want to look at this project and say it's evil, there's no way I'm going to be able to talk you out of that.
And at the same time, I don't think it's evil, and I really don't think that I could be convinced that it is.
The study is essentially about how the brain creates narratives and ways that you can effectively help the narratives be more persuasive, and conversely, how you can disrupt the persuasiveness of narratives.
The hope was to be able to construct a better understanding of the brain's narrative comprehension network, which will, quote, lead to a fuller understanding of the influence narrative has on memory, emotion, theory of mind, identity, and persuasion, which in turn influence the decision to engage in political violence or join violent groups or support.
such groups ideologically or financially.
The research focused on the persuasiveness of narratives as experienced by Christian and Muslim subjects.
These groups were selected because No!
As well as many differences.
So it would make the personal aspect of interacting with the narrative much more informative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
The first phase of the study was, quote, participants will watch a series of video vignettes, imagine certain details about those videos, and make decisions that should be influenced by the videos.
The group participants, they were grouped in two-by-two models where the differences were whether the master narrative, which is the religious narrative, whether that mapped with the local narrative, which is the video vignettes.
That's the first...
Right.
And then how the local narrative is related to their personal narrative.
So the two options in the personal narrative section would be, or that sort of option, would be that they'd be asked to imagine themselves in the narrative for 30 seconds, or they'd be asked to imagine the semantic consequences of the narrative for 30 seconds.
So the first one, for the personal narrative, it makes it personalized, whereas the latter is a detached analytical thing.
Yeah.
unidentified
So afterwards, the participants would answer questions about the video they watched and what they thought about it.
dan friesen
At the end, quote, participants would make a judgment about...
how much of their research payment they would like to allocate to a particular religious group.
Through the experiment, neural images would be taken to help understand the parts of the brain that were activated when different aspects of relating to narrative are happening because they didn't want to rely on self-reporting right because that Okay.
jordan holmes
So if I understand...
dan friesen
Please, yeah, let me see if you understand.
jordan holmes
Let me try and get this right.
If I understand correctly, what they're trying to find out is how much do the stories that we tell ourselves that we believe affect what we actually believe, and if you can interrupt or influence the story that somebody is telling themselves in order to interrupt or influence their current belief about what's going on.
dan friesen
Somewhat, but the interrupting and inducting are kind of part of later stages of this.
It's more about seeing How the relationship between the videos that people are being shown, whether or not it matches with their religious belief...
What effect that has on their response to it.
And then secondarily, what response personalizing it has to do.
Like imagining yourself in the narrative that's in the video as opposed to critically analyzing it as the semantic consequences.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Get rid of your own story and see what somebody else's story is.
Or think about somebody else's story.
dan friesen
Or, conversely...
If it matches your religious narrative, your master narrative, think about yourself within that, or critically examine your own thing.
So there are a bunch of different aspects to it, and it's an interesting study, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I agree.
dan friesen
So then the second phase of the experiment was similar, but they changed the aspects of the relationship with narrative that were being examined.
In this phase, the two variables were narrative validity, so that would be valid or invalid, and transportation, which is to say whether or not the narrative is immersive to the person experiencing it.
So those were the two variables that were messed with in the second phase.
Other than that, it was basically the same layout as the first.
Phase three is where all the hullabaloo comes in.
In this phase, they plan to use transcranial magnetic stimulation to disrupt parts of the brain associated with narrative comprehension, ideally to see how that affects overall comprehension and persuasion.
I admit that that sounds like a bit much, but the other two phases are completely innocuous research projects, much like any you'd see taking place on any college campus every day.
And the third really isn't as...
Fucked up as it sounds.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, that makes sense.
Because the other question is, is it a physical process?
All of that stuff that we've talked about is entirely within the consciousness, not even necessarily what you would call the brain or whatever.
When you add the transcranial magnetic, But you can with the neural imaging as well.
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
There are elements of what this was aiming to determine.
Kind of irrelevant, because I can find this grant proposal, and there are contracts from the Department of the Interior, and there's status updates going up to June 2013 that have been released, but that's where any documentation drops off.
None of these conspiracy blogs that talk about this have anything past that point, which I thought was a little bit weird, until I took a closer look at the contracts.
The Department of the Interior had agreed to fund Phase 1, but it didn't commit to the other two.
Those were optional.
I can find no evidence that the very scary Phase 3 of this experiment was ever actually done, and if Jake can prove that it was, I would encourage him to share that evidence with me.
I actually have fairly strong circumstantial evidence that it didn't get extended past Phase 1 because I found the project manager Stephen Corman's resume, and he lists this grant in it in spring 2012.
But that's it.
It doesn't appear again.
Conversely, a spring 2009 grant he was awarded on a project regarding, quote, embedding story analysts in expeditionary units is listed again in summer 2013 when the grant got extended.
If the study that we're talking about had gotten extended, that would mean a couple million extra dollars of funding, which you better believe he's going to put on his resume.
Universities love that shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
The extension that he got for the other project that he put on his resume, that was only for $250,000.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Like, he would absolutely put in, as an accomplishment, we got this refunded.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Because if they funded the first bit, and then they released the funds for the second bit, you've got some promising shit going on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that means...
Maybe you'll get the third bit.
dan friesen
And you ushered through this program that's really great for universities because they really like to be able to have their professors and their researchers have claim to, like, we did this research.
jordan holmes
A prestigious professor brings prestige to the university.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So here's what's going on here.
There was a scary-sounding project at Arizona State University, which an anonymous whistleblower told activists, This is sloppy work, hypnotist.
jordan holmes
I'm very unhappy that it didn't actually happen.
I prefer to be angry about things that happened.
dan friesen
Let me be clear.
May have happened, but I have no evidence that it did and strong indications that it didn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I cannot prove definitively that it didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
I mean, they could have secretly funded the program after that.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The ball is in Jake's court to prove that it actually happened.
jordan holmes
The burden of proof is upon him.
dan friesen
I find no evidence of that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, look.
You want your dreams to come true?
jordan holmes
No!
Oh, wait, no.
I mean, like, the desires that I have or my actual dreams?
dan friesen
No, no, no, not your actual dreams.
jordan holmes
Because I feel like we're in a situation where maybe he's going to tell me that my dreams might come true if they put a magnet on my fucking head.
dan friesen
Do you want to get chased by a giraffe?
jordan holmes
See, that's what I'm saying!
I'm worried!
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
Like, your fantasies and stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, okay.
dan friesen
Well, if you want that, your fantasies to come true, you've got to go to Reset Wars.
alex jones
We've got to step into our office as sentient conscious beings, paint the image of God with free will, and then do what we want.
We have to stop submitting the outside stimuli, and that's what Reset Wars exposes, is they've got their reset to stop us from awakening.
This is the real reset.
jake ducey
And imagine if everybody realizes that.
Imagine if the nurse that's in the medical system that's fed up with it but thinks she's powerless realizes she can create her own private practice, and it can eventually become the biggest private practice in Texas.
Imagine if the English teacher realizes that she can create one of the most powerful schools in California, and you just start going down the line.
You realize the broadcaster that wants to be like Alex Jones and Owen can actually tap in to the same spiritual energy that's moving through all of us and they can utilize that to become incredibly powerful.
alex jones
We're not going to get upset they're successful because they're freeing us.
dan friesen
Man, it's moments like that where the hypnotist and motivational speaker-style con man really come out in Jake.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
This is just meaningless platitudes where the fulfillment of all your dreams will happen so easily if you just follow this guy's plan, which is basically what his YouTube channel is all about already.
It's hollow, embarrassing, and exploitative.
Like, okay, yeah, like, you want to encourage people to take a chance and start their own business or whatever?
Hey, why not?
But insinuating that doing so is like you're going to be the most successful practice in the state or whatever, that's exploitative of people's aspirations.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is Wolf of Wall Street shit.
This is like, oh, okay, sell me this pen and then you do the whole thing and then you find Jesus and then you're a motivational speaker.
It goes that quick.
dan friesen
And as a broadcaster, I have no desire to be like Alex and definitely no desire to be like Owen.
That would be...
So horrifying.
jordan holmes
You know, I mean, it's so funny to me that when you're in that let go of your body, detach from physical material stuff, all of that...
It goes two directions, you know?
It can go with, well, if you're detaching, then what's the point of all that stuff?
Just let it go.
Don't worry about your fantasies.
Just be part of one.
You know, that whole thing.
Or the other ways to go is, if you believe hard enough, you'll get a lot of money.
Ah, come on now.
Which one do you want to go with, Dan?
dan friesen
I just want these guys to shut up.
jordan holmes
Me too.
dan friesen
I'd like to manifest them shutting off.
jordan holmes
Me too.
dan friesen
Or, conversely, I'd like to manifest them getting to the goddamn documents.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that would be great.
That would be great.
dan friesen
It's not happening.
jordan holmes
If I manifested that, would like six of your clips just disappear?
dan friesen
I'm manifesting myself skipping this next clip because it's really just splitting hairs about Alex misquoting Einstein.
Sure.
But, you know, Alex has got to spin his wheels a little bit about vaccines.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
alex jones
Why do you think Jake does see great research?
We'll get back into the mind control on how to counter it.
jordan holmes
Great research.
alex jones
They just want to kill so many people now.
I guess they just figure...
Statistically, there's a giant awakening just to just kill them.
But if we kill them with the military, they'll rise up and defeat us.
We got to do it through medicine.
jake ducey
Well, I mean, even if Bezos had that really bizarre speech the other day or quote the other day when he was talking about how they're going to turn Earth into a nature preserve and everyone's going to live in space.
I mean, they realize they don't really need most people.
Right?
And that's what this is all about.
And when we go into all these documents, it can be a little scary, right?
It's like, oh my gosh, they have all these psychological warfare weapons they're using on us.
But I want to say that's why Alex put together Reset Wars.
alex jones
Yeah, if you're conscious of their operation, it's game owner.
Like, what does G.I. Joe say?
Knowing is half the battle.
jake ducey
Knowing is half the battle.
dan friesen
At this point in the interview, I'm going to be straight up with you.
I'm starting to get a little bit resentful when any time is taken to talk about something that is not the main point of Reset Wars.
They've already laid out the central premise and promised to go super deep into it, and yet Alex is wasting time waxing philosophical about why globalists would choose various methods to kill us.
It's super frustrating.
Also, to Jake's point, at this point he's gone over exactly zero documents.
He's made references to an article in Activist Post and quoted heavily, though imprecisely, from a Canadian news story about a podcast series.
jordan holmes
Great research, Dan.
dan friesen
When people insist that they're going to get deep into a topic, then dance around the edges a little bit, and then incessantly promote a different show they do, and ramble about bullshit like how you can't die, that generally means they don't actually have a deep familiarity with the topic they're pretending to.
That's a strong vibe I'm getting from these dudes.
jordan holmes
I'm feeling that too.
I was waiting for you to say it first because I didn't want to embarrass myself if that wasn't the case.
But now that you've said it.
dan friesen
If there was a grand reveal.
jordan holmes
Now that you've said it, I am feeling more comfortable.
dan friesen
Two hours into this podcast, I revealed that they actually are right.
No.
Also, let's not forget that the knowing is half the battle catchphrase comes from a series of PSAs that featured G.I. Joe characters, which was produced by a Harvard child psychologist and endorsed by the National Child Safety Council.
Sounds pretty globalist to me.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The G.I. Joe folks only even made them as a cynical attempt to garner goodwill because they didn't want people to get mad that their show was just a toy commercial targeted at kids that screamed war is cool.
I would think that especially considering how this episode is all about how elite psychologists are trying to mind control us into changing our behavior Alex should be pointing out how these PSAs are a perfect example of exactly that These folks wanted to alter the behavior of children by having advice come from characters that they loved, which was taking them off their natural trajectory.
In a natural, uninfluenced state, a child wouldn't know to not give strangers their address, but, oh, the National Child Safety Council wants to come along and push their agenda.
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
It is always funny to me how they pick and choose what things are conspiracies and then they just take a lot of shit for granted.
5G is terrifying.
2G was fine.
2G was fine.
dan friesen
Now, I yelled about 2G when it happened.
jordan holmes
Sure, but now that we're on to 5G, 2G turned out was fine.
dan friesen
And it turns out that 5G is going to be fine, but once 6G comes along, holy shit.
Also, dude, I want to, slightly unrelated, but in preparation for this episode, because I was getting bored at these assholes, I ended up watching a bunch of those G.I. Joe PSAs, and I gotta say, the Joes had some fine advice, but they were getting seriously involved in stuff that doesn't concern them.
They need to mind their own fucking business.
Like, I don't need Flint scolding me for picking on the goalie on my soccer team for allowing a goal.
That's some pretty small-scale stuff for an elite military unit to be doing.
And honestly, what's Flint doing at that soccer game to begin with?
unidentified
He doesn't have kids, but...
jordan holmes
I wasn't a G.I. Joe guy.
I was a Starscream man.
I was a Transformers cat.
dan friesen
I didn't care much for G.I. Well, actually, I should say my parents didn't allow me to watch G.I. Joe.
It was too violent when I was a kid.
But I have some awareness of this.
And these PSAs are hilarious.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
It's such small-scale stuff.
Like, some of it is great advice.
Like, don't tell strangers you're home alone.
Great.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Great.
But some of it is like, hey, if someone wants you to jump over a ditch that's too big, don't do it.
Put a bridge on it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
I mean, but what are they gonna be?
Like, hey, listen, real quick, we can't allow Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons.
Anyways, knowing is half the battle.
dan friesen
Let girls skateboard with you.
jordan holmes
They're slightly different.
dan friesen
I don't know what G.I. Joe is doing getting mixed up in the minute affairs of this small town.
jordan holmes
You know, it's just military propaganda.
It's like whenever cops say that they give a shit about you.
96% of crime isn't violent or whatever the bullshit is.
Who cares?
dan friesen
There's one where three kids, four kids are on their bike and they're heading towards a railroad crossing.
And then out of nowhere, one of the G.I. Jos pops up and he explains to them what a railroad is.
Railroad crossing signed me.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I see now in a real version of that commercial is a G.I. Joe pops up while I'm riding my bike and I throw the bike at him and then get hit by a fucking train.
dan friesen
What's he doing waiting at that train crossing?
jordan holmes
Trying to influence.
He's a troll.
He's a troll near a bridge.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's bizarre and I recommend people go watch those.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's great.
dan friesen
PSAs with a critical eye.
Especially if you're bored of a hypnotist and a fucking washed up drunk.
Doing nothing.
Anyway, we get back to trying to promote Reset Wars.
jake ducey
We're saying, go right now, sign up to ResetWars.com, get on the early bird list, because once Mark Zuckerberg sees this, he's kicking Metaverse into high gear.
He's going to be like, we must get Metaverse set up to trap people into lower dimensions.
alex jones
Notice it all happens at the same time.
We've been playing it in six months.
The Reset Wars is the answer to the Metaverse.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
So now we've hit bingo on the shitty used car salesman techniques card that Jake is trying to use to sell Reset Wars.
You gotta sign up for it now so Alex and Jake can harvest your contact information because if you wait, it could be too late.
Once Mark Zuckerberg finds out that this drunk and his hypnotist friend, what they're up to, he's gonna lock us in the multiverse.
alex jones
Toot sweet!
jordan holmes
Listen, I got a lot of people looking at this car, and you can take a look at it first.
I'm going to be able to hold it for maybe 25, 30 minutes.
That's about as good as I can do, buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is just dumb.
It's a manipulative trick to get listeners to sign up for this email list.
Mark Zuckerberg could give a shit about this.
jordan holmes
Yes, no kidding.
dan friesen
Does not care.
jordan holmes
The moment we release Reset Wars, Zuckerberg is going to put the metaverse into high gear.
dan friesen
Can you imagine Mark Zuckerberg sitting in a boardroom being like, what?
jake ducey
Are you kidding?
jordan holmes
Reset Wars?
Doocy?
No!
dan friesen
Not doocy.
jordan holmes
I gotta get the team together!
dan friesen
Oh no, this money hypnotism grifter.
It's gonna take down the metaverse.
jordan holmes
Oh man, I have money so big it's not real.
dan friesen
So I mean, look, I think that this Reset Wars is gonna be really disappointing and probably lacking in substance based on this I've had friends quit drinking from it.
jake ducey
I've had a friend that's been watching you for 15 years saying he's watched thousands of episodes and it was literally the most powerful thing that he'd ever seen you put together.
You know all this stuff, but you've never put it together.
alex jones
You helped me sit down for months and write it all down.
We've been meeting after meeting after meeting to write this out, and you made me do it.
I appreciate that.
jake ducey
And so, I wanted to come on today just in honor of that.
jordan holmes
In honor of it!
dan friesen
Where are the documents, asshole?
What the fuck?
Also, I would love to be a fly on the wall for those meetings.
Oh, my God.
For those meetings where they're writing this up.
Holy shit, that would be so...
jordan holmes
I mean...
They got a whiteboard.
They don't even have a whiteboard.
Nope.
They've just got spaghetti and they're literally throwing at a wall with refrigerator magnets and whatever letter pops up is the one they win.
dan friesen
Number one, I don't think that these meetings happen where they're really getting down to business and writing this stuff.
I think that's a fantasy.
But I can imagine no more annoying thing than the idea of this meeting.
And...
God, I'd love to watch it.
It would be...
Nightmare for anybody else, but for me, that would be fun.
jordan holmes
Whenever he said he got a friend to quit drinking after watching it, I imagined in my head that immediate moment where his friend is drunk and he's watching this and then he looks at the brown bottle and just goes, nah.
This is clearly the bottle's fault.
unidentified
The bottle led me to this moment and I gotta get rid of this.
dan friesen
Or I immediately thought like, okay, so watching it got someone to stop drinking, but making it didn't get Alex to stop drinking.
Maybe Alex should watch it.
jordan holmes
You know, he's only on the 10th step.
He never made it to the 11th.
dan friesen
So InfoWars, right?
That's tomorrow's news today.
But what is ResetWars?
jake ducey
InfoWars is tomorrow's news today, but ResetWars is tomorrow's wisdom today.
This is historically what tyrants always try to stop.
Everybody from finding out.
So you better believe that when they actually find out that they put Reset Wars together, there's a good chance that they're going to try to shut it down.
They're going to try to shut the website down.
That's why you got to go right now and sign up at ResetWars.com.
Alex has it coming out in early December.
It's going to be massive.
dan friesen
This is wild conjecture on my part, but I noticed something strange when I was looking at the Whois data for this new website, Reset Wars.
Alex is pretty consistent with the hosting that he uses for his website.
Infowars, Band of Video, News Wars, these sites are all hosted by Epic, because he knows that no matter what he does, no matter what criticism he gets, Epic is not going to take his shit down.
That company is fine, hosting all manner of objectionable content, and is essentially the last refuge for internet shit.
Epic.
jordan holmes
If you're a Nazi, come on over.
dan friesen
We don't mind.
It's the damnedest thing, but Reset Wars isn't hosted by Epic.
It's just a URL they registered through GoDaddy, so it actually would potentially be far more likely to be taken offline if GoDaddy didn't want to be associated with Alex and his content.
There have certainly been instances of GoDaddy doing exactly this, like when they pulled their services from hosting Gab in 2018.
This is complicated because on the one hand, I think it's far too conspiracy theory thinking to claim that Alex intentionally put this website up on a less secure hosting platform because he actually wants it to be taken down.
But on the other hand, the circumstantial evidence is kind of interesting.
Like, if the site were taken down, he'd be able to grandstand about how he's the victim, how they don't want this information getting out, and he'd be able to pretend he's a prophet because he predicted they'd take the site down.
I don't think that this is an intentional thing on his part, but it's fishy as hell.
Why wouldn't he host this on Epic?
All of the other sites that he runs are hosted there.
It doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
I can imagine a non-conspiratorial way, which is being dum-dums.
Like, maybe the site was set up by Doocy, and Doocy is still on YouTube, so he was like, I'll just use my regular hosting platform.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is a possibility, I suppose.
jordan holmes
I can also see what you're saying totally.
dan friesen
I can't imagine Alex doing the most important work of his career, launching this website.
And then being like, yeah, let's let the hosting be on something that is potentially vulnerable.
jordan holmes
You're very right about that.
dan friesen
It seems weird to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and they are pushing that, like, this is so dangerous narrative really hard.
dan friesen
Yeah, like, if you do actually believe it to be so dangerous, you'd be playing preemptive defense.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And one of the ways you would do that is host it in the most secure place possible.
Which leads me to believe...
that this website might get taken down.
It's useful as a contact information harvesting thing to get people's email addresses and then all the content can just be published on band.video because that's on Right.
Right.
Fine.
jordan holmes
So the theory that we're operating, or not we're operating under, but the theory that I'm hearing is that it's possible they are using this as a phishing website for right now.
Once the content is released on the website, they're expecting it to be taken down because GoDaddy is like, hey, no Nazis.
Then whenever the content is taken down, they put it back onto band.video.
Grandstand about how they've been silenced again.
dan friesen
I think the content will always also be on band.video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, in their telling of it.
dan friesen
I don't want to say that that's a theory because I think that that's a little bit, like, conspiracy-ish.
Devious, yeah.
It's a little out there.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
dan friesen
But the actual pieces of information that would be there if that's what they were doing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It could be an accident.
Might not be.
jordan holmes
I'm leaning towards the Occam's razor of dumb oversight.
Yeah.
From these dum-dums, that sounds like the most obvious and likely thing.
dan friesen
I think I agree with you on that front.
jordan holmes
But the information that you are pointing out is very suspicious.
dan friesen
And one of the reasons I wanted to bring it up is, I think, obviously I agree with you, the most likely explanation is incompetence.
But on the off chance that this does end up happening, I want to be able to have said, look at this.
Like, let's say...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I mean, when the stakes are this high, maybe they're putting more planning into it.
I don't know.
The stakes could not be higher.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
So, this next clip is deranged.
jordan holmes
Okay.
jake ducey
We are not going to win by just yelling about...
In front of a building.
alex jones
The pilgrims had to leave the Netherlands.
They had to build a new country.
We've got to build a new thing.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
jake ducey
And once everybody realizes one by one, we go, oh my gosh, consciousness creates reality.
I've been programmed to believe I'm not that smart.
I can't make money.
I'm not that good at this.
I've been programmed through an emotional pattern that's been memorized in my brain and nervous system that I have a tendency towards depression.
Once we break out of that entire software system and re-engineer it, That's when it's game over.
That's when the entire control system...
alex jones
Exactly.
We have confidence in you, folks.
We believe in empowering you.
dan friesen
I just think Alex's whole idea of we need to make a new country is...
I mean, it's probably metaphorical, but even so, it's fucked up.
And Jake being like, hey, look, protesting isn't going to do anything, man.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Also, I think in terms of saying that, hey, I've been trained to think that I have a tendency towards depression, it's really insulting.
And, I mean, would he say that the man has...
You know, condition me to believe that my arm is broken after I've fallen off a roof.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, all you have to do is believe, because look, your arm is, it looks like it's broken, but really, it's not even matter.
It's not even solid matter.
You just need to use your mind to believe that your arm is fine, and then it is.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm thinking, all right?
And this is my pitch, because I'm going to try and solve everything real quick.
All right.
dan friesen
Good luck.
jordan holmes
So, when I was in high school, I was playing sports, you know?
And all of the sports coaches had inspirational slogans.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
The like posters that said, believe, you know, the whole thing.
dan friesen
Hang in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, I'm going to toss this out there.
What if we had posters in high school locker rooms that just lay out exactly what propagandists and con men say?
They'd be longer posters.
But I mean, look, I've heard this speech word for word from a million different con men.
This is the one.
This is the speech.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very boilerplate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so just put it on the high school wall.
You can tap it right before the game.
You know, get yourself pumped up.
Like, I'm not going to get caught by a con man.
That would pump me up.
unidentified
I'm not.
jordan holmes
We're not going to get conned someday.
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
That's a big pump-up.
dan friesen
I think even what you could do is just a poster that says, don't trust hypnotists.
They're sketchy.
They're weirdos.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe we should shorten it to instead of the poster that says believe, it just says don't believe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I got to this point in the episode and I kind of realized they're not going to get to anything.
jake ducey
Brainwash yourself.
Before the world brainwashes you.
alex jones
That's right.
So be aware of the programming, be aware of the systems, be calm about it, and trust God to guide you out of it, and then just realize that this stuff exists, and that's how you transcend it.
And that's really what Reset Wars is.
We go through examples and the history of it and how to do it.
jake ducey
And, you know, when Alex was filming this, you know, Alex doesn't like to...
Promote stuff, but I just think that Reset War is the greatest thing he ever did.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't like to promote stuff.
jordan holmes
Alex rarely promotes stuff.
dan friesen
He's very humble, too.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's about people finding what they need, and if they need it, they'll find it, man.
dan friesen
I am fucking furious.
About this shit, because they promised they were going to get into the weeds and talk about these documents, so I read up on a bunch of stuff, and I found some stuff that was perfect for them to talk about.
What I'm about to bring up, it's real, it has to do with mind control, and it's easy to find the actual documents.
These dudes are legit running a self-help hypnosis-style scam here, and just pretending that it has anything to do with the real world or declassified documents, because if they were serious at all, they would have fun with this one.
In September 1965, researchers working within the CIA embarked on a study to attempt to remote control the behavior of a dog by way of providing rewarding electrical stimulation to parts of the dog's brain.
Admittedly, this sounds really fucked up at first glance, but then again, people train dogs to do all sorts of things by way of conditioning.
It's not like the dog wants to sit or roll over.
It has to be trained that if it does, it gets the reward that it wants.
This operates in a very similar principle, just using electrical stimulation of reward centers in the dog's brain, or at least the goal was to see if this was possible.
jordan holmes
We could give him a treat, or we could cut open his skull, put some neural impulses right onto the pleasure center for his brain, and see how that goes.
Nobody wants to train their dog.
jake ducey
It's hard.
dan friesen
This is remarkable stuff.
From a dystopian science perspective, you could look at this and be like, ah.
But honestly, if you read the final report on it, it's really hard to come away thinking it has any practical applications, particularly in terms of use on humans.
Right.
unidentified
But it's amazing.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
For one thing, human brains are very different than dog brains, and humans really...
dan friesen
Well, you know, slow growth is...
jordan holmes
Still growth.
dan friesen
Sure.
Also, in order to accomplish this, they needed to put electrodes in the dog's head, mount it with a protective helmet, and a stimulator pack, which could be activated remotely, but only from a fairly limited distance.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the 60s were wild, man.
dan friesen
The researchers tried to see if they could figure out how to actually elicit actions from the dog through electrical stimulation, but found that it wasn't an area worth exploring, so they only ended up doing reward center training.
They found that the dogs had a strong tendency to do the thing that they were doing just before they got the reward stimulation.
So, as it pointed out in the report, if they were moving forward, they would continue to move forward.
So you could get a dog to continue to move forward by keeping on stimulating the reward center of its brain.
Additionally, they found that dogs had a tendency to move forward in the direction their head was facing when they got the stimulation.
This was an observation that researchers made that allowed them to have anything resembling remote control of the dog.
Kind of appeared to be remote control.
Right.
unidentified
Another problem they found was that it's fairly difficult to get these electrical reward stimulations to work when there are other competing stimuli around, like food, unless the stimulation was, quote, at optimum levels.
dan friesen
It's hard to predict how this would work in the real world, like in the wild, where the dog would have a multitude of things to gather, get its attention, or to chase.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The researchers concluded that, quote, Sure, outside of lab applications.
Right.
unidentified
Like if you were trying to get the dogs to work as scouts, essentially.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It would be so complicated.
And the idea of being able to, like, challenging terrain.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Instead, let's try training with food and not cutting open brains.
I get it.
dan friesen
This is mighty bizarre stuff, and obviously the ethical implications of how these dogs are treated is a serious concern, but it's not the kind of super nightmarish shit that conspiracy theorists want everyone to imagine it to be.
And they don't even talk about this!
jordan holmes
See, the worst thing is...
dan friesen
I'm so furious.
jordan holmes
That's the type of evil science, you know, where you're like, you guys should really just fucking stop that.
But the evil scientist who kept...
Who, like, kept the dog's head alive after the body was removed for, like, a few hours?
Let's see more of how that goes.
I want Futurama-style heads in jars.
That's what I'm looking more towards as opposed to, like, getting a constant handjob from electrodes.
dan friesen
You gotta manifest it then.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was furious that they didn't talk about this because it's perfect.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's right in the real house of what they're talking about.
jordan holmes
It really is.
But if you start talking about conspiracies that you can look into, people are going to start wanting to look into all your conspiracies.
That's why they all have to be impossible to look into.
dan friesen
And they have to be vague of the source saying you can't make clear because if you do, yeah, it's the game over.
jordan holmes
Well, think about the excitement you got from finding this story and finding and learning something interesting and then finding out it was real.
Imagine if somebody who really believed in conspiracies actually got that real feeling.
dan friesen
They would present this as the scientists have figured out a way to make humans do whatever they want by hitting pleasure centers in their brain.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
That's what's being recreated by all...
unidentified
5G.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, anyway, this is stupid.
This next clip ends in the stupidest way.
alex jones
What I'm saying is, once you reach out, that's what CNN tells you to do, and forget them and their, you know, Jim Acosta and all that, and...
Barack Obama and all these people.
Once you reach out to the universe to God, God's going to answer.
jake ducey
And not just Barack Obama or CNN.
Think about the idea of this Newtonian model of physics that we're still so attached to.
This Newtonian model of physics is everything is physical in the universe and energy is this unextranable side phenomena.
Max Planck already showed us.
He won the Nobel Prize studying atoms and he said there's no matter as such.
alex jones
Matter jumps back and forth.
Under spectrometers into another dimension and back, it disappears and comes back.
It fluxes.
jake ducey
And that's why if people realize the secrets of quantum physics and how to harness the power of consciousness, we already know the observer effect shows us that subatomic particles are sometimes particles and sometimes they're waves.
They're energy that moves into another dimension.
And what's everything?
It doesn't move into the same energy.
So your bank account is an observer effect.
dan friesen
Eh?
unidentified
Eh?
dan friesen
Your bank account is an observer effect.
jordan holmes
Are you trying to tell me that if I were to put my money in a box with a cesium at him after a certain length of time, there would be an exactly 50-50 shit that there would be all the money or none of the money.
dan friesen
Well, and...
You know, the amount of money that's in your bank account is a function of whether or not you're observing it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
No, if you're not observing it, the wave function collapses naturally.
jake ducey
Yes.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I get it.
Clearly.
unidentified
Cool.
Cool.
jordan holmes
How dare you tell me?
dan friesen
I'm fascinated.
jordan holmes
How dare you tell me that we're stuck in this Newtonian physics point of view?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
I do like that, though.
That Alex is trying to get you to transcend CNN and Barack Obama.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And Jake is trying to get you to fuck off from Newtonian physics.
The two of them seem to have slightly different agendas.
So anyway, you can break out of debt.
Sure.
If you just use the observer effect.
jake ducey
Of course.
Your bank account is an observer effect.
Once thousands of people realize this, and they all break out of debt servitude, once thousands of people realize that they could change the health system, you can build private practices, you can change the education system, the tech system.
Once people start using the power of consciousness to experiment on this reality and go, if all of energy is affected, all of reality is affected by subatomic particles, that consciousness creates reality, I can depattern myself from the world, be transformed by the renewing of your mind, and then I can use the power of consciousness to do thought experiments to start to recreate my life.
And I think that's the next step.
That they don't want us to know.
They don't want us to start to test the power of consciousness and say, can I create this new business, this new movement?
Can I change the education system?
Can I get out of debt and create my business bigger and better than ever before?
And that's why I'm pounding the table saying, go to resetwars.com right now.
This is the key.
dan friesen
That kid's too thirsty for this plug.
jordan holmes
Holy crap.
Dan, sir, I have to tell you something right now.
I have invented the greatest machine in the history of the United States.
Let me tell you something, sir.
This machine, this simple machine, it can fit on your desk, sir.
It can fit on your desk, and it will take whatever rock you find, whether it be lead, whether it be sodium, whether it be sedimentary, it doesn't matter, and it will take that rock and transmogrify it into gold, sir!
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
So imagine what would happen if thousands of people had these devices in their homes every morning!
dan friesen
Yep.
This is aspirational bullshit, basically.
jordan holmes
It's a scam.
Yep.
dan friesen
There's one person who's making a lot of money off it.
jordan holmes
Monorail!
dan friesen
And I just love this.
You can sense it, and it does come to a head a little bit towards the end.
Alex...
Jake is kind of getting fed up with how much he's promoting the website.
It's getting a little bit too much.
jordan holmes
It's already too much.
dan friesen
Even for Alex.
jordan holmes
It's too much for us, and you've only played a few clips.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, there are way more instances of it than I included.
jordan holmes
Oh, I believe you.
dan friesen
And I think another thing that Alex doesn't like, or wouldn't like, is Jake seems to be really comfortable taking over the show.
jake ducey
I've got a daughter.
She's 16, 17 months old.
I'm concerned about what everything's happening to, but just finding out the secrets of the pharmaceutical industry isn't going to save us.
The next step to actually defeat the Great Reset is we have to realize we are energetic spiritual beings in a physical body.
There's no such thing as death.
We're the imagination of ourselves.
We're already in a simulation, but we control that reality, and that's exactly what Reset Wars is showing you.
alex jones
It's very simple.
We are no longer NPCs.
We are real players as Christ intended us to be.
All right.
jake ducey
Go to ResetWars.com right now.
Sign up.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
I know Alex well enough from observing his work.
He does not like it when other people go to break.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
He goes to break.
jordan holmes
That's my job, buddy.
You're taking my job.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's insulting.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
That's disrespectful.
jordan holmes
That is...
dan friesen
And I love it.
jordan holmes
If it were somebody who weren't so patently evil, it would be better.
But what are you going to do?
dan friesen
Yeah, I enjoy it, though, because I think that there's just inherent tensions that exist here between these two people.
First of all, their worldviews are completely incompatible.
They may not realize it right now.
Maybe because...
Jake needs promotion and Alex needs money.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So maybe they can get over these fundamental differences they have or at least pretend to.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But it will be a problem.
At some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's gonna be tough to hang around with time as an illusion and so as Death Guy all the time.
dan friesen
Get annoying.
Also, like, if you just go through his YouTube channel, I swear everything is so fucking repetitive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He covers the same things over and over again with just clickbait titles.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's a hypnotist.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's literally...
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just imagine hanging out with him would get old.
Real quick.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Unless you're hypnotized.
And then maybe it'd be fun.
jordan holmes
But...
dan friesen
We're getting towards the end of the interview that they have.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think Alex is kind of realizing, like, we haven't gotten to these documents.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
We really haven't gotten to much of anything.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Maybe we've cited two articles.
jordan holmes
Fauci flip-flopped on masks.
dan friesen
That's true.
Oh, and there was also the ASU study that they were misrepresenting.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But let's get back to this.
jordan holmes
Let's get to the document.
alex jones
And so I want to continue here with some of these articles because there's so many.
jake ducey
This one's fascinating, Alex.
So, this is about beamed energy to affect human behavior.
And it says, quote, while initial attention should be toward degradation of human performance through thermal loading and electromagnetic field effects.
alex jones
That means heat them right up.
jake ducey
And electromagnetic field effects.
Remember, we are all just an electromagnetic field.
alex jones
All those documents you have that are mainline declassified say they manipulate our electrical field.
jake ducey
That's what it's saying right here, that this is a non-lethal energy weapon.
dan friesen
So this is from a document I can find cited on all kinds of sketchy conspiracy websites, but they really just use this same quote, and they claim the source is slight variations on the title, Air Force 1982 Final Report on Biotechnology Research Requirements for Aeronautical Systems Through the Year 2000.
I'm noticing a pattern that most of them don't have links, even when this report is real.
It's a real document.
It was prepared by the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio with cooperation from the Air Force Aerospace Medical Division.
It was released on July 30, 1982, and it has never been classified.
As you might expect from clues in the document's title, this is a study of potential issues that could come up for future pilots, which could have biotechnological solutions.
This document does indeed say, quote, initial attention should be directed toward organ-specific thermal loading and electromagnetic field effects.
Folks like Jake, or who I'd call dumb dumb liars, just choose to read that and not pay attention to the next sentence.
Quote, subsequent work should address the possibilities of directing and interrogating mental functions to provide revolutionary capability to defend against hostile actions.
When this document says that initial attention should be directed toward thermal loading and electromagnetic effects, it's saying that these things are things to be concerned about pilots of the future possibly being up against.
Anyone who's as much as looked at this document or read the title critically would know that.
It's very obvious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but conspiracy theorists took it too far and then Southwest had to spin off into an airline.
unidentified
That's...
dan friesen
Didn't see that coming.
jordan holmes
Okay, didn't.
dan friesen
The specific...
jake ducey
Fine.
dan friesen
This specific quote comes from a section of the text titled Radiation Environments.
I'll read to you the first paragraph of that section.
Quote, Electromagnetic and particulate radiation produced by nuclear weapons, high-energy lasers, and future high-powered pulsed radio frequency radiation systems represent potential antipersonnel devices for the year 2000 and beyond.
Lasers and RFR systems add a new dimension of crew vulnerability that clearly requires protective devices and materials for hardening normal aircraft systems.
That's what this is about.
It's not about developing beamed energy to change human behavior or get inside your brain.
Another thing that's important to point out is that the exact wording that Jake is using doesn't match the actual text of the document.
So I know that he's reading this from one of the conspiracy blogs that just misquotes the text and takes it out of context.
That's the depth of his research on the topic.
He's pretending he cares so much about it.
This guy's a fucking loser.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
So the document says, like, hey, let's think about what might blow up our planes later.
And he turned that...
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He's read this document and he's intentionally lying about it, or he hasn't read it, and a misrepresented quote on a dumb conspiracy blog is good enough for him to try to pass off to his audience as proof of a grand mind control plot that the government is hatching to convince you that you're a physical being and that...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I want documents, and I'm finding these documents, and they don't say what these people say.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
That is an issue, and I understand that.
dan friesen
It's mega frustrating.
jordan holmes
Now, have you thought about this?
Perhaps it is...
An observer phenomena.
And so when you're looking at the documents, they say what you want them to say, Dan.
But when you're not looking at the documents, they say what they say, Dan.
It's all about being an electromagnetic field.
dan friesen
All right, I gotta go.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
So it goes on.
This document goes on, according to Jake.
jake ducey
And it goes on, it says, by using very low frequency electromagnetic radiation, the waves way below radio frequencies on the electromagnetic spectrum, they found they could induce the brain to release behavior regulating chemicals, which is what you were talking about earlier, subduing the crowds with electromagnetic fields and they could put people into a stupor.
dan friesen
Jake is saying that the report goes on to say this, but it doesn't.
That's not from this report at all.
That's a reference to the earlier thing he was talking about from the 1997 article in U.S. News and World Reports that Jake was lying about earlier.
That's the one about Eldon Bird, who had claimed that he used electromagnetic waves to release histamine in rats.
The article does use the word stupor, but it doesn't say that he could put humans into a stupor.
The sentences We could put animals into a stupor.
Jake is mixing up his shitty sources, and he's not even citing them correctly.
Because much like Alex, he's a lazy liar.
But the article apparently goes on.
jake ducey
And it goes on to say that many of the non-lethal weapons under consideration utilize infrared sound and electromagnetic energy, including lasers, microwave, or radio frequency radiation, or visible light pulsed at brainwave frequency.
alex jones
Welcome to the 5G world.
It's not about controlling robots.
That's a side issue.
It's about controlling robots.
But if you're conscious in their own documents and are aware of it, it can actually make you get even more upset and outside their control.
dan friesen
So this also isn't from the same text that Jake was talking about, and it's not even from that U.S. News and World Report article that he jumped to.
This is supposed to be a quote from Dr. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg from 1994 in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is pretty cool in that they have a backlog of all their tables of contents going back to 1945, and it's really easy to access.
Possibly even cooler, the group makes these bulletins available on Google Books, so they're pretty easy to find.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
The article that the quote comes from is titled, quote, Non-lethal weapons may violate treaties.
Let's just stop and enjoy that this is actually an article that's arguing that developing non-lethal weapons in many ways that countries have could be a violation of international law.
Something that Alex doesn't believe to begin with.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, that's great.
dan friesen
So, more to the point, this quote doesn't appear in that text at all.
This is absolutely the consistent attribution given to this quote on conspiracy blogs, but the article that exists in this issue of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists says nothing of the sort.
This is the only article in the journal that was written by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg in 1915.
So we can't possibly be wrong about the attribution.
Well, her most recent article before this was in 1987, and then after that she came back for an article in 2006.
So...
jordan holmes
She's got a vigorous schedule.
dan friesen
This is the only one that could possibly be being referred to.
By the conspiracy websites.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's another article in this issue about non-lethal weapons, but it doesn't include this quote either.
I kind of think it might be fabricated or deeply misattributed, and I'm not really entirely sure which it is.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure Thomas Jefferson wrote it.
dan friesen
That said, the end of the alleged quote is, quote, And I actually do think Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Text of the quote that he's referring to comes from conspiracy blogs.
It definitely doesn't come from the source that the blogs say that it comes from.
I'm not entirely sure, but the end of the quote, which he doesn't use, actually does fairly accurately depict what Dr. Rosenberg's views were, but that's also talking about advocating for international laws against these things, which would take away U.S. sovereignty, and Alex would be opposed to that.
So it's kind of a complicated beast here.
All I do know for sure is that Jake is trying to pass this off as part of a document they're covering when in reality he's just stitching together completely unrelated and out of context and sometimes possibly apocryphal quotes.
unidentified
It's...
dan friesen
Really bad work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's very frustrating.
dan friesen
This doesn't give me a lot of hope for Reset Wars.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
I think we've defeated Preset Wars pretty quickly.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to talk about how God made us and we have free will, but he also yells.
alex jones
God made us.
We have free will.
You're allowed to mind control yourself.
You own your body.
You own your soul.
You have free will.
Mind control yourself before somebody else does it.
Is that your quote?
jake ducey
Yeah, brainwash yourself.
alex jones
I want a t-shirt that says that.
dan friesen
I want to make money on that quote.
jordan holmes
Give me money!
Give me more money from a different revenue stream!
dan friesen
I'm going to manifest this shirt.
jordan holmes
I'll steal it from someone else.
dan friesen
I don't know about you, but I feel like having someone yell at me that I'm free to mind control myself sounds a lot like a guy trying to intimidate me into taking part in his mind control game.
I wonder if Alex intentionally didn't tell the audience that Jake's...
The main profession is being a hypnotist because that would be really suspicious.
I think that might be a possible choice.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
So this is where things get ugly-ish.
Not really ugly because they don't really argue, but you can tell.
You can feel.
jordan holmes
There's tension.
dan friesen
You can feel something here.
alex jones
It's palpable.
dan friesen
So Jake is trying to barrel into yet another plug.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
And listen to how Alex cuts him off.
This is amazing.
jake ducey
And if subatomic particles that create all reality are influenced by consciousness, we are creating our own enslavement by saying, we're screwed, we can't do it, Klaus Schwab's controlling us.
So that's why I'm saying, open up your browser.
alex jones
No, I agree.
Don't just give Klaus Schwab the power.
Open up your browser to God and say, God, I want to end up surviving this.
And not just surviving, but thriving during this.
We didn't get to all these stacks.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
dan friesen
Have you ever heard Alex interrupt a plug?
jordan holmes
I've never.
That's astounding.
dan friesen
Open up your browser to go.
jordan holmes
Listen up.
Listen up.
You just go up there and you click open a new tab to Jesus.
You just click open that tab to Jesus.
That's shocking.
dan friesen
That might be a first.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
And when it says close all tabs to the devil, you do not press ask again.
No, sir.
You close all those tabs.
dan friesen
One of the primary rules of grifting is don't interrupt a plug.
Let a plug stand.
And apparently he's being so excessive with these plugs that Alex has to break that rule.
jordan holmes
That's bad.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
So they kind of didn't get into the documents.
alex jones
You know, you're supposed to leave today and fly back to your family on Thanksgiving, but we didn't get to the documents, Jake.
jake ducey
Well, we have so many of them.
I mean, it could take us 15 hours.
alex jones
But I mean, this is the admissions.
What's crazy is they're in the news admitting it.
Why do you think they metaphysically admit they're doing all this to everybody?
jake ducey
I think that there's something weird with black magic.
dan friesen
Okay, I gotta go.
This is so stupid.
jordan holmes
Why do you think that all of these globalists, the conspiracy theorists that I've been talking about for my entire career, saying that they are working literally for the devil and so on and so forth, why do you think they want to kill us?
dan friesen
I mean, it's...
Dumb, pointless conversation, but I think that there's something magical, black magical, about the idea that Alex is complaining that they haven't gotten to the documents, and then instead of getting into documents, he talks about how great the documents that they haven't gotten it to are.
Yeah.
Abusive.
jordan holmes
Also that it would take a lot longer for them to explain those documents to us.
dan friesen
Certainly if they waste time like this.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's almost like they're asking you to be grateful to them for not getting into the documents.
dan friesen
I would exhaust you.
jordan holmes
Wasn't this a much more entertaining show?
dan friesen
So dumb.
So we have one last clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's Jake doing another one of these.
Manipulative tricks in order to sell Reset Wars.
jordan holmes
Open a new private window to the Lord!
dan friesen
This is incredibly abusive.
jake ducey
And that's why I feel so inspired.
If you're watching this right now and you don't feel that optimistic, you feel angry, you feel afraid, you feel doubtful that we're going to win, just remember who you are.
You're a spiritual being in a physical body.
Your body is a rental car.
It's literally a rental car for your soul.
Energy's never created or destroyed, and when all of us start to wake up, and you go to ResetWars.com right now, open up your browser and sign up, and we start being renewed by the transforming of our mind, we will realize we create reality, they do not control us, and they cannot win.
dan friesen
That's just disgusting.
unidentified
Ah, wow.
dan friesen
If you out there feel like you're missing something, you know what you're really missing is entering my revenue stream.
jordan holmes
This commercial should be on at 4am.
This is when we should be listening to this.
I should be very drunk.
dan friesen
In 2015, or 2013, I think, Dr. Group would come in for infomercials.
And it would just be an hour of them talking about his products.
It's not nearly as disgusting as this.
jordan holmes
This is really fucked up.
dan friesen
This is beyond over the top.
It's counter to Alex.
His career.
I'm blown away by this.
And I know this is a longer episode, and part of the reason is because I think that this is...
It could represent a turning point, like legitimately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really could.
dan friesen
I don't think I've felt that way much over the course of the time of us doing the show, but this is a sea change.
jordan holmes
This is weird.
dan friesen
If sincere, this is a sea change.
If not, then this is a really weird...
Cash grab on Alex's part where he's willing to engage in this kind of bullshit.
But I'm fascinated to see what they end up producing, but I also, having watched this, I'm really un...
Sure, I guess.
I'm not confident in their ability for it to have any depth.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think it'll be blowhard self-help stuff.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
And then misquotings of things.
That's probably what most of it's going to be.
But I don't know.
I'm still excited to do it because I want to, you know, give a critical view to Alex's life's work.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
I know it's not better.
Well, I mean, okay.
So at least when Dr. Group was scamming...
He exchanged goods.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
This guy's exchanging the belief of goods.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that's rude.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's rude.
I know Dr. Group's shit doesn't do shit, but at least there's shit there, you know?
dan friesen
Sure.
And some of it actually might be good.
jordan holmes
Sure!
dan friesen
Like, you know, you're selling, like, a B vitamin or whatever.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
It's not gonna kill you.
jordan holmes
Belief that your bank account is magical might kill you.
dan friesen
It certainly could lead you to negative...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It could lead you to believe things that could leave your bank account looking a bit worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If you observe it.
dan friesen
Well, just don't look at it.
jordan holmes
Just don't look at it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And then just the merging of ideas about depersonalization of yourself, death is impossible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Merging that with Alex's oeuvre and the ideas that he expresses on a regular basis.
That are so intensely violent and full of retribution and targeted at the enemy and all this.
I just think it's a powder keg.
I don't know if they realize the kind of fire that is being played with, but it's not good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, when you're saying the enemy is killing you, you know who they are.
I'm not telling you to take any violent action.
Combined with...
Death isn't real.
You're invincible if you choose to be.
And only if you are manifesting negative emotions can you fail.
dan friesen
And life isn't real.
jordan holmes
And life isn't real, yeah.
And you can't die, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just bad.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
I hope this is a small blip and maybe like a little side project that Alex is getting paid for.
But I don't think it is.
For one thing...
one of the things they bring up in the conversation is that they had talked originally about doing something about Bitcoin and like financial scam kind of stuff and financial markets.
And so like they had originally thought about doing that, but then they decided to do this series and there was an implication that they're going to do more series.
So I don't know if they will, cause I don't know how much this is going to set the world on fire.
Right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I think the intention is to possibly do more work like this, like the Reset Wars.
Or under the category or the heading of Reset Wars, have these series and this one's about your soul or whatever.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I...
I mean, I think there'll be a certain point where I'll just let Alex go do his thing.
If he starts becoming a spiritual self-help preacher, whatever this nonsense is, I...
jordan holmes
That's not us, man.
If you want that shit.
Oh, let's see.
Okay, well, we could do the Bitcoin scam and get people to buy cryptocurrency, or we could do the fake God scam and get people to buy nothing.
dan friesen
I actually think that it was against Bitcoin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I think that their position would be opposed to it.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, somehow they would be wrong about that, too, or something, yeah.
unidentified
They would be right about the point, but wrong about the reasons why.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Which is pretty consistent.
So I think this episode's been long enough.
unidentified
I would say so.
dan friesen
I'm terrified of the prospects of what's to come, but I always get excited when Alex is pretending to try, and when there's the pretense of actual documents, and I leave this cold.
I found very little of substance, but it was still fun to read a bunch of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe they'll talk about those documents eventually.
jordan holmes
Impossible.
dan friesen
Fingers crossed.
jordan holmes
We'll see if Reset Wars even releases any video.
dan friesen
Wait a second.
Those documents aren't even real.
Nothing's real.
jordan holmes
That's where the episode should have just cut off.
unidentified
Like, it should have just been empty air after that for, like, a while, too.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back, but until then, we have a website that isn't real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we have Death Isn't Real and LifeIsASimulation.com.
dan friesen
We also are on an Unreal website called Twitter.
unidentified
Uh-huh, it's at WatchOutForTheDevil.
dan friesen
Alex shouldn't be worried about the fact that he got kicked off Twitter, because it's not real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark, I'm...
Daryl Rundis.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
dan friesen
Which aren't real.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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