Knowledge Fight - #618: November 15, 2021
Aired: 2021-11-17
Duration: 02:46:04


=== Jordan's Bright Spot (09:30) ===

[00:00:21]  I have great respect for knowledge fight.
[00:00:24]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:25]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
[00:00:27]  Shang me are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and Jordan.
[00:00:31]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:35]  I need money.
[00:00:39]  Andy and Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy and Pandy.
[00:00:42]  Andy and Pansy.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:45]  Andy.
[00:00:46]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:47]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for watching.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:50]  I'm a fish 10 color Ambassador fan.
[00:00:51]  I love your work.
[00:00:52]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:55]  Knowledgefight.com.
[00:00:58]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey, everybody.
[00:01:00]  Welcome back, Knowledge Fight.
[00:01:00]  I'm Damn.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:01]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
[00:01:06]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:07]  Jordan.
[00:01:07]  Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan.
[00:01:08]  I have a quick question for you, sir.
[00:01:10]  What's up?
[00:01:10]  What's your bright spot today?
[00:01:11]  My bright spot today, Jordan, is I know longtime listeners will know that I have finished Survivor.
[00:01:17]  Indeed.
[00:01:17]  Watched every season.
[00:01:18]  Right.
[00:01:19]  And now I'm watching the current.
[00:01:20]  You don't have to be that long of a listener for that one.
[00:01:22]  It did happen quicker than I would like to admit.
[00:01:25]  Faster than the 500 Celtics.
[00:01:27]  Yeah.
[00:01:29]  Anyways.
[00:01:30]  So my bright spot is I've been looking around for something to fill that void.
[00:01:34]  Scratch the itch.
[00:01:35]  I've been watching some amazing race, and I think it stinks.
[00:01:38]  Sure.
[00:01:38]  I think it's disrespectful to travel, and I also hate everybody who's on it.
[00:01:43]  Pretty much everybody sucks.
[00:01:44]  These are good reasons.
[00:01:45]  Yeah.
[00:01:46]  I did finally get to a season that has the Harlem Globetrotters in it.
[00:01:49]  Aren't they amazing?
[00:01:50]  They're pretty fun.
[00:01:50]  They're pretty great.
[00:01:51]  Yeah.
[00:01:51]  They're pretty great.
[00:01:52]  I like how they'll go to other countries and then just do basketball trips.
[00:01:56]  They're the best.
[00:01:59]  They seem to genuinely like each other.
[00:02:01]  It's fantastic.
[00:02:02]  They're great.
[00:02:03]  One of the episodes that I saw, one of the challenges was they had to sew a garment.
[00:02:07]  Yes.
[00:02:08]  And so they were in a garment workshop.
[00:02:10]  And then the other one who's not doing the challenge is just doing basketball tricks.
[00:02:14]  And everybody's loving it.
[00:02:15]  So much fun.
[00:02:15]  It's the best.
[00:02:16]  It's the best.
[00:02:16]  Anyway, I don't like that show much.
[00:02:19]  And I found the Australian version of Survivor.
[00:02:23]  Of course.
[00:02:24]  The Australian Survivor is my bright spot.
[00:02:26]  I think it's fun.
[00:02:28]  It's basically just Survivor, but with Australian accents.
[00:02:31]  And none of the bullshit at this point.
[00:02:34]  None of the bullshit.
[00:02:35]  Yes.
[00:02:36]  I've just started.
[00:02:37]  How many years back in this are you?
[00:02:38]  Are you on season one?
[00:02:40]  They only have a few seasons on Paramount Prime.
[00:02:44]  Gotcha.
[00:02:44]  Plus, or whatever.
[00:02:45]  So I'm on season four, I think, is the first season that they have.
[00:02:48]  Okay.
[00:02:48]  Okay.
[00:02:49]  And I'm only a couple episodes in, but no twists.
[00:02:52]  No twists.
[00:02:53]  None.
[00:02:54]  I think that there's a hidden immunity idol, but that might be.
[00:02:58]  This is Australia.
[00:02:59]  We don't do twists here.
[00:03:00]  Straightforward.
[00:03:01]  That's not a knife.
[00:03:02]  This is a knife shit.
[00:03:04]  I found it very refreshing after the hundred different rule changes that have gone on on American Survivor.
[00:03:11]  Ah, you don't like Survivor, yeah?
[00:03:14]  It's just refreshing to see people playing the game that I remember it being.
[00:03:19]  The show loosely, what I remember.
[00:03:21]  Sure.
[00:03:22]  So that's my bright spot.
[00:03:22]  How about you?
[00:03:23]  My bright spot, Dan, is I just got to it.
[00:03:26]  The War on Drugs released a new album.
[00:03:29]  And it's my bright spot because it's one, a very good album.
[00:03:32]  And two, because many people are describing the War on Drugs as one of the best rock bands currently today in the description.
[00:03:40]  And this most recent album is absolutely a Willie Nelson album.
[00:03:44]  Can we just get a clean take of you saying that your bright spot is the war on drugs?
[00:03:48]  The war on drugs.
[00:03:50]  My bright spot is the war on drugs, Dan.
[00:03:52]  I love incarcerating people who don't deserve it.
[00:03:56]  My favorite.
[00:03:58]  That doesn't need to be taken totally out of context.
[00:04:02]  Yeah, no, it's a great album, and it is 100% a Willie Nelson record.
[00:04:06]  It's just a great old-time country album with more updated distortion.
[00:04:12]  That's basically it.
[00:04:13]  But it's great.
[00:04:13]  Nice.
[00:04:14]  I love it.
[00:04:15]  This is continuing in your tradition of giving music recommendations to the folks, and it's fun.
[00:04:22]  It is fun.
[00:04:23]  So, Jordan, today we have an interesting episode to go over.
[00:04:28]  I'm torn.
[00:04:29]  I'm conflicted.
[00:04:30]  You're torn.
[00:04:30]  Yeah.
[00:04:31]  Because there's a part of me that recognizes that Alex just lost the Connecticut lawsuit, Sandy Hook lawsuit by default.
[00:04:39]  Sure.
[00:04:40]  You could say he's cold and ashamed, lying brilliant.
[00:04:44]  Yeah, he's all out of faith.
[00:04:47]  No, he's not.
[00:04:48]  He's got plenty of faith left.
[00:04:49]  But we got to cover the present day.
[00:04:53]  We got to cover November 15th, 2021.
[00:04:56]  Blackjack.
[00:04:56]  Blackjack.
[00:04:57]  You tricked me like a motherfucker.
[00:04:59]  But there's another part of me that wants to dig even deeper into the past.
[00:05:06]  I'm very conflicted, and I'm not sure what I'm going to do.
[00:05:08]  But before we find out.
[00:05:10]  Okay.
[00:05:11]  Oh, my God.
[00:05:12]  Do not tease before the break.
[00:05:14]  How dare you?
[00:05:15]  How fucking dare you?
[00:05:18]  This is as close to a commercial break as we literally have.
[00:05:21]  Let's say hello to some new wonks.
[00:05:24]  First, help.
[00:05:25]  I'm stuck in a policy wonk factory.
[00:05:26]  You're now a policy wonk.
[00:05:28]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:29]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:30]  Next, Chaotic Asexual Time Crime Loki.
[00:05:32]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:32]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:34]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:35]  Thank you very much.
[00:05:36]  Next, Go Tigers, Red Wings, Lions, and Pistons down with Chicago Sports.
[00:05:40]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:40]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:42]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:43]  Interesting name.
[00:05:46]  Doesn't like Chicago sports.
[00:05:47]  I reluctantly thank you.
[00:05:50]  I didn't.
[00:05:51]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:05:51]  I don't really have a position on that, but I should be against it because otherwise I'm going to get beat up here on the speech.
[00:05:57]  Beat up Chicago.
[00:05:58]  Yes.
[00:05:58]  The Blackhawks fans will get me.
[00:06:00]  Yes.
[00:06:01]  Next, Anna.
[00:06:02]  Thank you so much.
[00:06:02]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:06:03]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:04]  Thanks, Anna.
[00:06:05]  Dude.
[00:06:06]  And Justin, thank you so much.
[00:06:07]  You are an IO policy wonk.
[00:06:09]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:10]  Thank you very much, Justin.
[00:06:11]  All right, Jordan.
[00:06:12]  So here's the deal.
[00:06:13]  Here's the situation.
[00:06:14]  What is the deal or situation?
[00:06:17]  I want to make a compromise, and that is we'll do the present day episode, but I have an out-of-context drop from 1998.
[00:06:24]  Okay.
[00:06:28]  Here is an out-of-context drop.
[00:06:31]  From the very beginning.
[00:06:33]  From April 7th, 1998.
[00:06:35]  All right.
[00:06:36]  We're following the pattern of history.
[00:06:39]  I am probably good chance, 50% chance that I will be killed within the next five years.
[00:06:49]  I don't say this for theatrics, and I don't say this to scare you, but we need to go ahead and be honest about where we're at in this group psychology realm.
[00:06:57]  Wow.
[00:06:57]  23 years of saying I will be murdered and I am about to be killed.
[00:07:04]  Well, to be fair, I think coming up on the 23 anniversary, what's the is that the silver anniversary?
[00:07:12]  Which one is that?
[00:07:13]  Yeah, I think it's Pearl.
[00:07:16]  I like that a lot.
[00:07:17]  I think that's really fun.
[00:07:18]  But I do think, in fairness to him, he said it was a 50% chance.
[00:07:21]  So maybe you just got lucky on that coin flip.
[00:07:23]  Sure, sure.
[00:07:24]  Are we living in like this for theatrics?
[00:07:27]  Is this like a quantum suicide situation where we're just living in the wrong universe where he keeps not dying on a 50-50 shot?
[00:07:35]  It's possible.
[00:07:35]  Brutal.
[00:07:36]  But yeah, I found some of these old episodes, bits of them from the late 90s.
[00:07:42]  And also, a choice clip from this episode, this April 7th, 1998 episode has to do with him saying, hey, we got to not drink.
[00:07:51]  We shouldn't party.
[00:07:54]  Not because it's wrong, but because we need to maintain our focus.
[00:07:57]  Listen, we need to keep our bodies pure.
[00:07:59]  No supplements of any kind.
[00:08:01]  Nothing that could really do, you know, and the body is a temple.
[00:08:04]  Just what God gave us is good.
[00:08:07]  No tattoos, no nothing.
[00:08:09]  Yeah, that tone has changed a little bit.
[00:08:11]  A little bit.
[00:08:13]  I guess we got to get to the present day.
[00:08:14]  All right.
[00:08:15]  Jordan, I don't want to do it.
[00:08:16]  Okay, then let's not do it.
[00:08:17]  Okay.
[00:08:18]  So, look, we have to do it.
[00:08:20]  Okay.
[00:08:20]  Well, then let's do it.
[00:08:21]  We do have to.
[00:08:22]  Can we just put it off a little bit?
[00:08:24]  Well, I mean, let's not do it.
[00:08:25]  Let's put it off.
[00:08:26]  We'll do it in a little bit.
[00:08:29]  Are you double teasing before the break?
[00:08:31]  First, like, I feel like, you know, Alex is in more legal trouble.
[00:08:35]  That's true.
[00:08:35]  So we should probably talk to Mark Bankston, the lead attorney for the plaintiffs in the same case as well.
[00:08:41]  Right, right, right.
[00:08:42]  But there's no way we would get to do that.
[00:08:43]  We talked to him once, and that seems like way outside of our opinion.
[00:08:48]  That would never happen.
[00:08:49]  No.
[00:08:51]  Hey, folks, we're thrilled to welcome back to the podcast a delightful guest, someone who the audience really took to.
[00:09:00]  Absolutely.
[00:09:01]  The fan favorite.
[00:09:03]  Someone who we do not deserve to be speaking to.
[00:09:06]  Let's be honest about all of that.
[00:09:08]  Lead counsel for the Sandy Hook families and their cases in the Texas courts.
[00:09:13]  Mark Bankston.
[00:09:14]  Welcome back.
[00:09:16]  Good to be here.
[00:09:17]  Good to be home, gentlemen.
[00:09:19]  Thank you for coming back.
[00:09:20]  It's awesome.
[00:09:23]  I'll tell you earlier today after the big news and everything that was going on, CNN invited one of us to come on and talk to them, speak to Anderson Cooper's night in prime time.
[00:09:34]  And I told my partner, man, hey, I think you're going to have to do it.
[00:09:36]  I got an awesome fight tonight.

=== Dogma and Default Judgments (15:52) ===

[00:09:38]  Once again, we have scooped Anderson Cooper.
[00:09:42]  Got to do the big one.
[00:09:43]  Like, I'm not doing.
[00:09:46]  Well, thank you.
[00:09:46]  We appreciate you making time.
[00:09:48]  I mean, it's an intense stretch of time since we last spoke.
[00:09:52]  And then today, we're recording this on Monday, which is the day that the Connecticut default happened, the great Connecticut default.
[00:10:00]  Yes, yeah, yeah.
[00:10:01]  That's what they're calling it.
[00:10:02]  So it's got to be a whirlwind.
[00:10:05]  Well, you know, one thing that proves that is that what I was doing on this case for the last three years wasn't a fluke.
[00:10:10]  You know, it wasn't just some weird, random, off-the-reservation thing.
[00:10:14]  It wasn't some wild west shit that happened down in Texas.
[00:10:19]  This happened in the stoic state of Connecticut.
[00:10:23]  You know, I mean, they have a whole different thing way they run things up there.
[00:10:26]  And to see this happen there with another judge saying, yeah, this is beyond ridiculous.
[00:10:33]  This is farcical.
[00:10:33]  And I've let it be farcical for so long just out of allowance on who the defendant is.
[00:10:39]  Just not wanting to say we railroaded this guy.
[00:10:41]  But it's been so farcical for so long.
[00:10:43]  And now's finally the time.
[00:10:45]  Yeah, it's wild.
[00:10:46]  Different judge, different plaintiff attorneys.
[00:10:50]  So like all like there's so many different variables.
[00:10:53]  The only thing really that's similar between them is Alex and his behavior.
[00:10:58]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:10:58]  The only constant is that.
[00:11:00]  I love that it reinforces my concept of if a thing happens, then this will happen because of it.
[00:11:07]  You know, like if you do the exact same thing in one court in Texas, it will happen in another court if you do the exact same thing.
[00:11:15]  That's crazy.
[00:11:17]  We live in such a system that works like that.
[00:11:20]  Our world's been so fake for so long and like so weird that you're not, yeah.
[00:11:24]  The idea of like a uniform field theory of law is insane.
[00:11:29]  Like, yeah, but it's, yeah.
[00:11:32]  I bet there isn't one.
[00:11:33]  It's just like once you get to a certain point of like, I'm not playing ball.
[00:11:37]  Yeah.
[00:11:37]  The judge takes offense.
[00:11:39]  You're honestly, you're absolutely right about that.
[00:11:41]  It's, it's, I don't want to give anybody like the faith of, oh, we're, we're, the legal field's doing kumbaya and we're all starting back.
[00:11:48]  No, no, like you have to understand that this is when you go to the Westminster dog show and like a lot of people are going to have different opinions on judges of which dog is the nicest dog or whatever.
[00:11:58]  But if you just bring in a random mutt off the street with mans, like they're all going to go, ooh, what's going on here?
[00:12:04]  Like it doesn't even fit with their schema.
[00:12:06]  And when you have a defendant who comes in and treats the court like just like as his own personal playground or whatever, like you're going to get the same reaction from yeah.
[00:12:15]  And I think in doing some looking into like past examples of people who got hit with default judgments, like a lot of times I think it happens to celebrities who don't want to have the unpleasantness of being in court.
[00:12:29]  Like Kelly civil case ended in a default judgment.
[00:12:32]  Right.
[00:12:33]  So I think that Alex's behavior kind of, you know, it falls into the same sort of like, no, I don't want to do it.
[00:12:39]  See, you've been researching a lot of those cases where celebrities just at one point or another decide the only way to win is not play and they just take off and leave.
[00:12:47]  Right.
[00:12:48]  What's what's really ironic about Jones' situation is he was there to play and he was trying to play whatever game he was going to play.
[00:12:56]  And it was so abhorrent and offensive to the court that even his behavior there, it wasn't, you just don't see this that much.
[00:13:03]  You know, we've talked about it a bit at these hearings of other cases where it's happened under pretty egregious circumstances.
[00:13:09]  But to see a really a first time we've seen a celebrity high-profile case end in a default with not just the celebrity walking away.
[00:13:17]  Oh, yeah.
[00:13:18]  Like it's just not like typically they'll just not show up.
[00:13:21]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:13:22]  They'll just stop coming to court.
[00:13:23]  Yeah.
[00:13:23]  Yeah.
[00:13:24]  It is it is a bit like Alex was invited to play a game of chess and then he was like, wait, what if I ate shooting shoots and ladders and shat it on your face?
[00:13:32]  Does that count as a game?
[00:13:33]  I'm going to mousetrap this.
[00:13:34]  I'm going to set up a little mousetrap here.
[00:13:36]  Yeah.
[00:13:36]  Game of life and over on this side.
[00:13:38]  Like it's just not even playing the same sport.
[00:13:41]  Everything past Candyland is too confusing.
[00:13:45]  I'm playing four-dimensional chess and beatball at the same time.
[00:13:48]  This is Calvin.
[00:13:49]  Well, you got to remember he's doing this in two different cases in two different places on two slightly different timelines and has to keep whatever, whatever shell game is happening has to be kept up in both cases on an on a two to three month flag timeline to stay consistent.
[00:14:06]  And as you know, like day to day, he's not going to be able to stay consistent.
[00:14:10]  So no.
[00:14:10]  What's really bizarre, though, is that you have both sets of cases and that the conduct that ended in default judgment was totally separate conduct.
[00:14:18]  It wasn't that, it wasn't that, oh, what happened in Texas in our discovery was so bad that you thought he did stuff up there.
[00:14:25]  And it was totally different stuff.
[00:14:27]  And the real irony of it is so much of it is they would discover stuff going on up there that's affecting their discovery.
[00:14:33]  And I'd be like, honestly, I can't even brief that to my court because I'm too busy telling them about the other stuff that's going on in my you can't even keep up with it.
[00:14:42]  All this stuff you saw about Google Analytics and all the fact the trial balances that they brought in some accountant who did a bunch of stuff that's all of that.
[00:14:50]  I never even got a chance to talk to that about my court.
[00:14:52]  I mean, we were done before that even happened.
[00:14:55]  And it's stunning that if I hadn't have gotten that default judgment that I'd got back in September, there's absolutely no question I'd have it now, just because it's unreal.
[00:15:05]  But yeah, the difference between the two cases is absolutely stunning that he has two very different styles of law and he lost them both.
[00:15:12]  But the behavior, you're saying it's different behavior that caused the default judgment, but they're like related.
[00:15:17]  They're like family.
[00:15:19]  They're like cousins of each other.
[00:15:21]  It's kind of they are cousins.
[00:15:23]  It's the same sort of obstinateness kind of.
[00:15:26]  Yes, but it isn't obvious.
[00:15:28]  In Connecticut, things work on a, I guess when you're in Connecticut and you're having to litigate there, there's a pretty high set of demands.
[00:15:37]  You've got to keep the briefs coming in on a really regular period.
[00:15:40]  They're really regimented.
[00:15:41]  You're showing up at monthly status conferences.
[00:15:43]  They're actually having to work really hard to try to keep their heads above water in Connecticut.
[00:15:47]  In Texas, you can go long periods where you're not before the court.
[00:15:50]  And if you're a bad litigator, you can get yourself into some enormous holes during those periods of time.
[00:15:55]  And I imagine COVID didn't help, also.
[00:15:58]  Not at all, right?
[00:15:58]  Yeah, that wasn't good for them either.
[00:16:00]  But what was stunning about it is in Texas, their transgressions are mostly just an abject, like not even just a refusal, but just didn't even show up to play kind of ideas of discovery.
[00:16:12]  They didn't answer the discovery.
[00:16:13]  The court would order them to do something.
[00:16:15]  They just flat out wouldn't do it.
[00:16:16]  And then they'd expect to show up in the next hearing and everything would be okay.
[00:16:19]  In Connecticut, they actually tried to do the stuff.
[00:16:22]  And that's actually maybe what got them in more trouble.
[00:16:24]  It just took longer is that the stuff they did was really absurd.
[00:16:28]  And so it's, really the offense and disrespect in Texas was really something.
[00:16:35]  But the absolute clown show that was what they tried to fix the situation in Connecticut was maybe even worse.
[00:16:42]  So like, so they in Connecticut, they demanded like, I don't know, bank records and he gave them a shoe or something.
[00:16:49]  No, no, look, all I can speak of is from what's in the public pleading.
[00:16:53]  Sure, true.
[00:16:53]  What ended up in Connecticut?
[00:16:55]  But from what is stated in those pleadings, from what I can gather from what is stated there, is that they were asked to have their accountant, their QuickBooks person, press the button on QuickBooks that produces the subsidiary ledgers and all the financial trial balances for the company.
[00:17:09]  And then they said, here they are.
[00:17:10]  Here's what she gave you.
[00:17:11]  And then a little bit later on, they discovered because of some weird irregularities in there, the info has had to admit, well, actually, we printed that button and then we gave it to an accountant.
[00:17:20]  And then that accountant, well, he said that the figures were misleading.
[00:17:25]  So he changed the figures.
[00:17:29]  I believe in, I believe, the technical term for accounting and that is cooking them.
[00:17:33]  And you see those figures.
[00:17:35]  Now he made it.
[00:17:36]  Now these are accurate figures, the one he gave you.
[00:17:38]  And like, no, they didn't disclose that these accountants had touched this, had been all over these books.
[00:17:44]  And like, all of a sudden, it's all they had been sitting at deposition where they're asking the lady, these are the files that you produced.
[00:17:49]  So you clicked out of QuickBooks.
[00:17:50]  She's like, yeah, I think so.
[00:17:51]  Counsel's sitting right there.
[00:17:52]  He knew he gave them to the accountant.
[00:17:54]  And like, nobody says anything.
[00:17:56]  And I'm just sitting there reading these public, the records of this and just stunned that this stuff's happened.
[00:18:01]  So as I listen to these hearings about what's what's going on there, I'm like, honestly, like, again, the difference between the two forums, those guys are lucky they didn't even try to pull that stuff down in Texas because I would have oh, your honor, your honor, your honor.
[00:18:15]  We had all of this money that was covered in like filth and dirt.
[00:18:21]  So before we gave it to you, we sent it to a washing machine.
[00:18:25]  I don't understand what the problem is here.
[00:18:28]  We didn't want to give you dirty money.
[00:18:29]  It's a problem.
[00:18:30]  I'm glad you brought that up actually because that was one of Alex's big defenses on his show today when he was responding to the default judgment in Connecticut.
[00:18:43]  It was that, oh, they said I didn't give them bank records.
[00:18:46]  I gave them a spreadsheet.
[00:18:49]  Like that.
[00:18:50]  So it's interesting to hear that the reality is they had changed some numbers.
[00:18:56]  I gave them a spreadsheet covered in whiteout.
[00:18:58]  That's the best out.
[00:19:00]  I mean, and look, I want to make clear too, just for people who are listening here.
[00:19:03]  When I say that I'm reading the public records and I'm telling you about what's going on in Connecticut, realize one, I don't represent those Connecticut plaintiffs, but I can the dockets online.
[00:19:12]  You can read all the documents.
[00:19:13]  And when I say I'm reading from public record, what I'm describing to you about an accountant going out and then making the numbers that were misleading turn correct, that's not taken from the plaintiff's pleadings.
[00:19:22]  That's taken from Infowars pleadings, right?
[00:19:24]  Like you read Infowars pleadings, and that's what they say they did.
[00:19:28]  And so, like, I don't, I don't feel like I'm telling tales out of school or anything.
[00:19:31]  Like, that's literally what they're telling the public they do.
[00:19:34]  That's a little crime between friends.
[00:19:36]  Come on, we're all buddies here.
[00:19:38]  I don't know.
[00:19:41]  None of that looks above board to me, right?
[00:19:42]  Like, I don't, I don't know exactly what's going on.
[00:19:45]  But what I do know is at the end of the day, they just did not produce the things that the court wanted them to produce and they can't do that.
[00:19:50]  Now, now in Connecticut, that seemed to take kind of forever to reach that point because they really do get a lot of procedural safeguards.
[00:19:56]  In Texas, we still have hanging trees outside the courthouse.
[00:19:58]  Like, we still remember that.
[00:20:00]  You don't mess around with that.
[00:20:03]  They're not operational.
[00:20:04]  No way.
[00:20:04]  We're not using them.
[00:20:06]  But we don't create.
[00:20:08]  Yet.
[00:20:08]  Yeah.
[00:20:08]  And like, I'm not.
[00:20:10]  You go into the Austin courthouse.
[00:20:12]  You go into like, I mean, Houston's got a place in a different one now, but then that Austin courthouse where he's going to be, where I grew up in Fort Ben, you look outside the direct window of the courthouse you are, and there is a giant oak tree with a straight, you know, horizontal branch that's been trained that way.
[00:20:26]  And that, like, that brand, you know what that is.
[00:20:29]  Yeah.
[00:20:29]  And it's this weird, imposing legacy of the Texas legal system staring you in the face.
[00:20:34]  And day to day, today, it stares in the face of like, we're murderers.
[00:20:38]  We're just as well.
[00:20:39]  I mean, that too, but also mostly just largely alienated and disenfranchised and not people who have the power of the state array against him in perhaps unjust ways.
[00:20:49]  Sure.
[00:20:49]  The fact that Alex Jones is going to have to spend two weeks in that courtroom looking out that window is, you know, that's a good feeling that he has to be in that courtroom.
[00:20:58]  Oh, I believe it.
[00:20:59]  It's an imposing place to be.
[00:21:00]  I don't know if y'all have seen the interior of that place.
[00:21:02]  Like there is, there's aggressive imagery all over that courthouse.
[00:21:07]  It is a scary courtroom to be in.
[00:21:09]  Especially when you're in a disadvantageous situation, perhaps.
[00:21:13]  Yeah, when you got a default judgment against you and a jury is going to assess your death.
[00:21:17]  And I was looking into it and the rules in Texas, if I'm not mistaken, are that you have 14 days.
[00:21:24]  Is that right?
[00:21:25]  To like try and get a default judgment put aside?
[00:21:28]  No, you're not quite right on that.
[00:21:30]  Okay.
[00:21:30]  So you would be correct if the idea was he just didn't answer the lawsuit and I filed a default judgment and it was entered.
[00:21:35]  Then he found out he's got 14 days to get up there.
[00:21:38]  Oh, okay.
[00:21:38]  Say, no, I want to defend the suit.
[00:21:40]  He really only has one for kind of getting inside baseball.
[00:21:43]  He really only has one appellate option for challenging these default judgments.
[00:21:48]  And in Texas, that's an emergency appeal known as a mandamus.
[00:21:52]  We have a weird name for it.
[00:21:54]  Laussey mandamus.
[00:21:56]  Right, exactly.
[00:21:57]  I've heard that term used a lot by sovereign citizens.
[00:22:00]  Sure.
[00:22:00]  Yes.
[00:22:01]  Arrit of mandamus.
[00:22:03]  It's one of those like classical 18th century terms that like were only involved when ship captains were involved in suit.
[00:22:11]  Maritime law.
[00:22:12]  Yes, maritime law stuff.
[00:22:14]  But yeah, so it's an emergency appeal.
[00:22:16]  They don't even necessarily, the court appeals don't even have to take it up if they don't want to.
[00:22:19]  It doesn't really stop the case or anything.
[00:22:20]  So their appeals options are low, but they do get a shot at that.
[00:22:25]  That clock is running now very quickly.
[00:22:28]  Sure, sure.
[00:22:28]  I was curious about that because it seemed like it would be bizarre.
[00:22:32]  It would be bizarre to me if like he didn't try and do something like that, you know, trying to appeal.
[00:22:38]  I mean, there is a time limit on it.
[00:22:39]  So he's not too great at keeping up with those.
[00:22:42]  But I think he likes rising, too.
[00:22:44]  That's true.
[00:22:45]  That's true.
[00:22:45]  I mean, look, this will really shock him.
[00:22:48]  I'm going to be here on time.
[00:22:50]  Yeah.
[00:22:50]  You don't, if you're like making a debut at a wrestling event, you don't want to show up before your queue.
[00:22:56]  Totally.
[00:22:58]  Yeah, you don't want to blow that entrance.
[00:22:59]  Exactly.
[00:23:00]  And now he's got, I mean, here's the thing is if he's really thinking about it, he does have a March trial set.
[00:23:04]  He can just stage.
[00:23:05]  It's ready to go.
[00:23:05]  And he don't want to pull the rug out from under that.
[00:23:07]  Maybe.
[00:23:07]  I don't know.
[00:23:08]  I'm told maybe something else in his calculus could be that the last time he tried to appeal an adverse ruling in the Hesslin case, he ended up owing me $25,000 for wasting my time.
[00:23:20]  So he wants to roll the dice again.
[00:23:22]  Go for it.
[00:23:26]  That has the negative stimulus that might be enough to get you to be like, man, maybe not do that again.
[00:23:31]  I think the greatest irony of all is that there's a good chance Alex winds up an illegal immigrant in Mexico.
[00:23:38]  He goes around it.
[00:23:39]  Yeah.
[00:23:40]  I mean, how else are you going to get out of this one?
[00:23:42]  I mean, look, you joke about it, but as a plaintiff's attorney, you always have to be prepared to pursue assets wherever they go.
[00:23:48]  And he wouldn't be the first person to run on a judgment like this.
[00:23:51]  That's for sure.
[00:23:52]  I've liquidated everything and bought a coffee farm in Chiapas.
[00:23:57]  I can actually picture like a Kim.com situation where he like titles it down to New Zealand or something and sets up a pirate radio station.
[00:24:03]  Oh, they wouldn't let him in that.
[00:24:04]  I think it would be closer to a John McAfee situation.
[00:24:07]  Yeah, that's what I mean.
[00:24:09]  Where there's bath salts and a murdered neighbor.
[00:24:13]  Maybe so.
[00:24:14]  So, one of the things that I wanted to ask you about, because I think that I find this fairly interesting, is that like the Texas cases, if I understand correctly, the defendant in that is all Alex, right?
[00:24:27]  No, no.
[00:24:29]  So that is not.
[00:24:30]  So that's not.
[00:24:30]  Okay.
[00:24:31]  So in Texas, you have generally three defendants.
[00:24:34]  You have Jones himself, and you have his two companies that are primarily again.
[00:24:39]  At the time, we filed the suit, the two companies we thought was primarily involved in Infowars, which is Free Speech Systems LLC, Infowars LLC.
[00:24:47]  Turns out you get into the suit, and even though Infowars LLC's name's all over the website, as it was at that time, that company does not exist.
[00:24:55]  It's a paper thing.
[00:24:56]  It has no employees, no revenue, no assets, no nothing.
[00:24:59]  As far as we can tell, the other entities that are being sued up in Connecticut, for instance, Infowars Health LLC, Prison Planet TV LLC, also completely paper entities.
[00:25:10]  Totally, these were a bunch of entities that were spun off in 2013, right around the time of the divorce to try to reorganize the business.

=== Owen's Cuck Defense (15:31) ===

[00:25:16]  None of it really seemed to take off.
[00:25:17]  I don't really understand why, but they put every egg in the basket in free speech systems.
[00:25:21]  So, really, in terms of that's really it.
[00:25:23]  It's Jones and Free Speech Systems.
[00:25:24]  So he has some assets personally, he has some in a corporate form.
[00:25:27]  Because, like, everything is under free speech systems, right?
[00:25:30]  I mean, like, most of these supposedly, like, I mean, it's not well done.
[00:25:36]  Like, like, you can't look at a document and say this is a subsidiary of free speech systems LLC, but they will certainly testify to that.
[00:25:42]  That is, for instance, Infowars LC being a subsidiary of instead of like a horizontal affiliate or something like that.
[00:25:50]  Um, but now it's just basically just one, what we call in law, alter ego.
[00:25:54]  It's just all Alex Jones.
[00:25:55]  It's um, it's a sham.
[00:25:58]  There's no separation between Jones and his businesses or any of the businesses themselves.
[00:26:02]  I'm sure, I'm sure that that's not intentional to confuse people, right?
[00:26:06]  Surely, no, that organization strategy, yeah, no, it's totally above board business, so they would never do that.
[00:26:13]  But the other defendant in our cases, uh, that is not up in Connecticut, which is just delightful, is Owen Schroyer.
[00:26:21]  Oh, that's right, that's right, and Owen Shroyer is because he had he went on and said specific things about Neil Huss and went ahead and put his self on the line.
[00:26:32]  Now, that is something I guess I didn't think about.
[00:26:34]  Did Owen Schroyer also have a default judgment against him?
[00:26:38]  Yeah, yeah, Owens got a default.
[00:26:39]  Oh, wow.
[00:26:40]  Okay.
[00:26:41]  I think that's less talked about.
[00:26:43]  Wow, that should be talked about more, shouldn't it?
[00:26:45]  Yeah, I would, I would say that the non-rich guy getting a summary judgment against him is far more damaging than the very rich man getting a summary.
[00:26:54]  I mean, look, here's the thing, though, right?
[00:26:56]  Like, okay, so what do you, what do you, what do you do to Owen Schroyer besides ruin his credit?
[00:27:01]  Like, you don't, you don't collect anything.
[00:27:03]  If he, if he owns a home, which I'm not sure he does, that's going to be a Texas homestead exemption.
[00:27:08]  You can't go collect that.
[00:27:09]  If, if, if he has any non-exempt property, I don't know what it would be.
[00:27:13]  I don't understand him to be a rich guy.
[00:27:15]  And really, even, you know, most rich guys, it's kind of hard to go.
[00:27:17]  So, like, if Owen Troy, the only thing you can do is have a giant judgment sitting out that just ruins his credit and he can never buy a car again.
[00:27:24]  Like, that's really all you can do.
[00:27:27]  If that satisfies you, I mean, I mean, I'll live with that for now.
[00:27:36]  This satisfies Jordan's sense of justice.
[00:27:38]  No, I mean, it doesn't satisfy my sense of judgment.
[00:27:42]  When you asked, what are you going to do to Owen Shroyer?
[00:27:44]  Believe me, the answer wasn't ruin his credit.
[00:27:47]  That was not your hope.
[00:27:48]  That was not my vote.
[00:27:49]  Well, the fascinating thing, too, there is that he's facing some possible difficulties about the sixth from his, he got in trouble from that.
[00:28:00]  I don't know if that was a criminal thing.
[00:28:03]  But that is a criminal thing, too.
[00:28:05]  Yeah.
[00:28:06]  Not good.
[00:28:07]  Not good times.
[00:28:08]  Shouldn't have destroyed so many cucks.
[00:28:10]  I would have destroyed six fewer cucks if I were him.
[00:28:14]  Yeah.
[00:28:14]  Flew too close to the sun.
[00:28:16]  That's you know, it's funny when you, one of the first questions you gotta, you gotta ask the guy when you're in deposition with him.
[00:28:22]  He's got an author page on Infowars.
[00:28:24]  And it's like, I am, it's, they haven't updated it in a while, you know, so it's like still very much like, I am, I am most well known for my confrontations with Carl the cuck and Ad Spillets.
[00:28:36]  To be like, I might still be most known for that.
[00:28:40]  I'm going to see if I can change that for you, Owen.
[00:28:44]  He did not show up for a deposition, correct?
[00:28:47]  He did not show up.
[00:28:48]  He got sanctioned for that.
[00:28:49]  His deposition right now is currently scheduled for December 3rd.
[00:28:52]  So that should be fun.
[00:28:53]  That would be so much fun.
[00:28:54]  I feel like I'm getting him before the feds do.
[00:28:56]  That's the good thing.
[00:28:57]  Is you know, we brought that up last year and we were a little concerned about that.
[00:29:02]  You're putting off your deposition forever and he's got pending criminal indictment and all of that.
[00:29:06]  And the thing is, is yeah, they've they've been for the past three months, they've just been on InfoWars making noise as much as they want with not challenge, not whatever.
[00:29:16]  And now finally, they get, you know, a guy like Owen sits down in the chair and he's going to have to answer questions.
[00:29:20]  I would, those would be the last depos we take, hopefully.
[00:29:23]  I would love to see Owen have to sit like in a serious circumstance with adults and be asked like, so you're the cuck destroyer, huh?
[00:29:33]  Like, just see how he defends himself.
[00:29:35]  I'm like, do you think that's childish?
[00:29:39]  Because I think that court scenographers having to type in on their shorthand machines cuck destroyer.
[00:29:49]  What's the shit?
[00:29:50]  That's going to have to be.
[00:29:51]  There's been some weird things.
[00:29:53]  There's been some very strange things that court reporters have never had to type before that.
[00:29:58]  But with Schroyer, I mean, you bring up this good point of like, okay, you've got this guy who's kind of passing himself off as a news anchor, right?
[00:30:06]  Like he's delivering journalism.
[00:30:08]  And then like in the same breath, like, you know, after the break, I go after Carl the cuck or what, you know, whatever it is.
[00:30:13]  It's like, is he taking his job seriously enough when he's doing Carl the Cuck stuff?
[00:30:19]  Who cares?
[00:30:20]  But the moment he starts like making accusations that the, you know, mass casualty surviving father is a CI agent everywhere.
[00:30:28]  Like, does anybody ever have any illusion that anybody's taking any of this seriously?
[00:30:33]  And Owen Schroer proves to you, no, they do not.
[00:30:36]  Nobody's taking this seriously.
[00:30:37]  Yeah, he's, he's an interesting like sort of middle case, too, because like, you know, he started in St. Louis doing like sports journalism.
[00:30:45]  Yeah, I thought he was going to be a barstool guy, right?
[00:30:47]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:30:48]  And so there's a decent chance that he might have some pretension about like what he's doing as being sort of journalistically relevant.
[00:30:55]  But then that path never really worked out.
[00:30:58]  And he only really got success by yelling at Carl the Cook and then Alex being like, this is fun.
[00:31:04]  I'm going to hire this guy.
[00:31:06]  So it's weird.
[00:31:07]  He actually came on my radar.
[00:31:09]  I mean, he came on my radar when, oh, gosh, the chick in the sailor moon costume who told him about Venezuela.
[00:31:17]  Oh, yeah.
[00:31:18]  Dasha.
[00:31:19]  Yeah.
[00:31:19]  The red scare chick.
[00:31:20]  So yeah.
[00:31:21]  So that's how he like came on to my radar: he's that guy.
[00:31:25]  And then, and then like, I, you constantly just see videos of like 12-year-old kid destroys Owen Shroyer.
[00:31:32]  Yeah, there was that child who told him to fuck off.
[00:31:34]  Yeah.
[00:31:36]  So I just thought he was a ridiculous guy.
[00:31:38]  And it was weird that when I got these cases, I understood a little bit about him.
[00:31:41]  Through Wars.
[00:31:42]  And so I kind of knew who was in the Sandy Hook.
[00:31:44]  And you know, and I knew that was Rob Dew and that whole crew and Darren McGreen, all those sort of guys.
[00:31:48]  But like, the idea that Owen Schroyer showed up in it to me was like, what?
[00:31:53]  Like, you're the comedy guy?
[00:31:55]  And he wasn't even like working for them in that relevant in most of that period.
[00:31:59]  Exactly.
[00:32:00]  He's probably in high school.
[00:32:01]  Because, yeah, he comes in in 2016.
[00:32:03]  So, like, when he's doing these things in 2017, it's weird, though, because he becomes sort of in Jones's hatchet man for this.
[00:32:10]  Jones knows he can't talk about the family specifically.
[00:32:12]  So, if he wants to talk about the families, he sends Owen Schroyer out to do it.
[00:32:16]  The Owen Schroyer does the thing about Neil Hussle not holding his kid.
[00:32:19]  He does the video about Erica Lafferty and confronting her.
[00:32:21]  I don't know if y'all have seen that video, but Schroyer just goes off about, I don't understand what your problem is, ma'am.
[00:32:26]  You know, I don't understand why you're not listening to men like Wolfgang Halbig and Jim Fetzer who've done the most reliable reporting possible on this event.
[00:32:33]  And I don't know why you're trying to butt heads of people who are trying to figure out what happened to your mom.
[00:32:39]  What the heck?
[00:32:40]  I think that is, I think a lot of that could be slightly motivated by trying to prove that he belongs in that space, like that Alex Jones Info Wars space.
[00:32:50]  Yeah, I mean, he's he's been very clearly on that path of like, I want to please daddy so much so that I will never be able to buy a car again.
[00:33:00]  Well, and you know, the English guy threw him under the bus, so now I can replace the English guy, you know, that's fine.
[00:33:06]  Oh, totally, yeah, like I don't, I, he is an interesting case, and and people aren't talking about him enough in this suit because he is he's Jones's protege, and and people don't realize that he just got on and did those marching orders and did those things, and he's just as much a part of all of this.
[00:33:23]  Yeah, it's one of the things that we've kind of looked at over the course of us doing the podcast is like, who is the heir apparent?
[00:33:30]  Like, who is the person who's supposed to do this after Alex has a heart attack or uh crashes his any number, any number of possible ways for him to die?
[00:33:41]  What happens?
[00:33:41]  And it always seemed like Paul Joseph Watson, but at some point he seemed to want to distance himself a bit and became kind of clearly Owen, yeah, and that was a disappointing point for pretty much.
[00:33:55]  You know, when I came on this case, I was probably less busy, so I was better in touch with right-wing online media.
[00:34:02]  But like I said, the last couple of years, too, I'm just who can stomach it, right?
[00:34:07]  No offense to you guys, um, um, um, like, for instance, I haven't been keeping up with Paul and seeing what Paul Watson's career looks like right now and how much it's still part of InfoWars and what he's trying to carve out for himself.
[00:34:20]  But it seemed like that's what he was doing in some way.
[00:34:22]  And I, I figured he was going to be on the level of like a Ben Shapiro, he's going to like he's going to eventually be that kind of figure, and it's, you know, I don't know what he's up to now.
[00:34:31]  I think he started this site called Summit.news that was basically just like a you know news blog kind of thing uh with a bunch of basically another gateway pundit you know yeah um but i think his mistake might have been getting too involved um in like some european politics and some british stuff like uh nigel Nigel Farage and those folks.
[00:34:56]  I think he got pretty hard in the UKIP.
[00:34:59]  Yeah.
[00:35:00]  Yeah, that killed his cred over there.
[00:35:01]  Yeah.
[00:35:02]  I think or at least slowed him down, like kind of was a speed bump.
[00:35:07]  So I think he's much less relevant.
[00:35:09]  No, that's interesting.
[00:35:10]  And, you know, while we were on this case, you could also see another error parent trying to develop themselves and Robert Barnes was trying to.
[00:35:17]  Oh, he was giving it a go.
[00:35:19]  Yeah, he was really giving it a go.
[00:35:21]  I don't know if you like, I've never seen a man like so desperate for like online engagement and like just to have like the rabbling, clapping seals of right-wing Twitter just clap for any crap he pretends he's doing.
[00:35:34]  But like the idea that you haven't able to like successfully monetize that into making yourself a star, like just give it up by now because I swear it's the right-wing grift right now is so easy.
[00:35:44]  I saw, not to like completely change the subject, but I saw Alex Berenson, the COVID misinfo guy, had started a sub stack and the dude's going to, he's bringing in a million a year on that sub stack, just like blogging three times a week about COVID misinfo.
[00:35:57]  And if you're Robert Barnes, how can you work this hard and not be like just the, I don't know.
[00:36:02]  Well, I think, I think Barnes fucked up because he obviously couldn't make a Patreon.
[00:36:09]  And so he tried to get on locals, I think is the name of it.
[00:36:13]  The Ben, no, Ben, Dave Shapiro, Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson, a Patreon clone.
[00:36:21]  Intellectual dark web Patreon.
[00:36:23]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:36:23]  And I don't, I don't think that's as lucrative.
[00:36:27]  There is something nice about how easy the right-wing grift is, is how easy you should know when to quit.
[00:36:33]  You know, like if you fail within your first month, just give up.
[00:36:37]  You've already failed forever.
[00:36:38]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:36:39]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:36:40]  But you know, you did, it was weird to see, and I always wonder about that with Barnes of like you're hosting Infowars constantly while you're representing this case, and then all of a sudden you get like your own show.
[00:36:53]  Yeah.
[00:36:53]  And he's like, he's seriously like, he had his own show for a while.
[00:36:55]  And like, where'd that go?
[00:36:57]  Like, it got canceled because Alex couldn't afford it.
[00:37:00]  I've seen some of the other shit on Infowars.
[00:37:02]  Like some of this new, this, I think I got some new guy, like some of this stuff.
[00:37:04]  And I'm like, it's not like, I mean, I'm not praising Robert Barnes here, but like, like, that's, that's some of your best compelling stuff.
[00:37:11]  Like, what do you have better than that?
[00:37:13]  Like, like, if that isn't cooking it for you, then something must be really wrong because there's just not they have a lot on offer.
[00:37:18]  And again, it does go to show that Infowars is Alex Jones.
[00:37:21]  It always will be Alex Jones.
[00:37:22]  Without Alex Jones, there isn't no Infowars.
[00:37:25]  100% about the fascinating personality and craziness that underlies all of that.
[00:37:32]  And everybody knows it.
[00:37:33]  He produced it himself that way.
[00:37:34]  By fascinating personality, of course, you mean very well-researched information.
[00:37:41]  Barnes.
[00:37:42]  Well, you know, my mom raised me on people like Gore Vidal and some of those great debates of the 1950s and 60s where William F. Buckley would get in there.
[00:37:50]  And you can't help watch Alex Jones and not really feel shades of that, you know.
[00:37:54]  Yes.
[00:37:55]  High-minded.
[00:37:56]  Yeah.
[00:37:59]  Back to Barnes really quick.
[00:38:01]  Another thing, as that was all happening, like him ascending in Infowars and being Alex's lawyer, me and Jordan were both like, Alex, he's trying to take over.
[00:38:14]  That's what I was thinking.
[00:38:15]  Yeah, he's trying to become.
[00:38:16]  Seriously, he's literally watching you go down in court.
[00:38:20]  I mean, like presiding over you.
[00:38:23]  And he loved it.
[00:38:24]  He loved it.
[00:38:29]  Oh, why would you ever go back?
[00:38:31]  It's a terrible idea.
[00:38:32]  You're going to feel that in Texas with the hanging tree outside.
[00:38:34]  Heck yeah.
[00:38:36]  You high tail it out of there.
[00:38:38]  Of course he hightailed it out of there.
[00:38:41]  Yeah, I thought I was like, Alex, look out behind you.
[00:38:45]  It's not good if somebody who's clearly wanting to become like an on-air personality talent is also the person who gets paid more the longer you're in court.
[00:38:55]  Yeah, yes.
[00:38:58]  Working a little against purposes.
[00:39:01]  You presume, and you can never presume this about the law.
[00:39:03]  You presume that he's getting paid by the hour to be in court and not paid in shows.
[00:39:08]  True.
[00:39:09]  You know what I mean?
[00:39:09]  Like, you don't know how those things work.
[00:39:11]  I mean, it's yeah, but if you want to diversify your revenue stream, you also get a TV show on top of your law practice.
[00:39:18]  And this is better call Saul all over again, buddy.
[00:39:21]  This is what we're doing.
[00:39:22]  TV show is very generous.
[00:39:23]  That is a very generous way of describing it.
[00:39:26]  Yeah, we also.
[00:39:27]  I mean, look, this is honestly, this is a guy, a lawyer who has on his website, like a donate, give me money to go super people or something.
[00:39:33]  I'm like, what the what?
[00:39:35]  What is this?
[00:39:36]  Like, I don't, like, I came into this world.
[00:39:38]  I came from a world.
[00:39:39]  I'm a kind of weird guy, but I came from a world of kind of like, you know, regular lawyers who do things the regular way, even though we're like absolute pirates and going after who we go after.
[00:39:48]  But like, we, when we came to these people and saw, like, yeah, here's just a guy who's just like, hey, send me money and crowdfund me to be like, that's not how law works.
[00:39:57]  So what are you doing?
[00:39:58]  I accept donations in Bitcoin.
[00:40:00]  It's that stuff.
[00:40:01]  I don't.
[00:40:02]  It is strange, but I guess it works.
[00:40:05]  I mean, it must.
[00:40:06]  That's, that's the thing.
[00:40:07]  Yeah.
[00:40:07]  Wherever, wherever there aren't slap lawsuit laws, I think he's, he's, he's there.
[00:40:12]  He's the Batman of states that don't have slap.
[00:40:16]  It's really interesting because he tried to come into this lawsuit and portray himself as a First Amendment hero to be anti-you know, I'm going to take out these slaps that we're facing.
[00:40:23]  And this is, and then like every little other thing I've ever seen him do is go to a state without a slap law and file some crazy suit against it.

=== Client's Ethical Dilemma (15:29) ===

[00:40:32]  Him and Norm Pattis are two of the most important constitutional lawyers that have ever practiced, according to Alex.
[00:40:39]  I've heard that.
[00:40:39]  Right.
[00:40:40]  Like I've heard that.
[00:40:41]  Yeah.
[00:40:41]  You know, I mean, really, as you've known from the hearings, the elephant in the room has been Mark Randonzo this whole time.
[00:40:46]  Like the other like weird guy who's like branded himself a First Amendment lawyer who kind of came out of, I mean, like at first, he was very much an anti-First Amendment lawyer in a way of like working for porn companies to go after people who are posting their porn videos online and stuff like that.
[00:41:04]  And then like kind of like switched gears off of that.
[00:41:06]  I mean, a bunch of stuff happened in that.
[00:41:08]  And you can read all about that online.
[00:41:11]  But then he switched into like, I'm now a First Amendment crusader.
[00:41:15]  But it's, it's weird how every single, like anytime you see, oh, Randonza is involved in that, like you're like, oh, I understand what the defendant's going to be like then.
[00:41:23]  It's not great.
[00:41:25]  I can look not great.
[00:41:26]  Yeah.
[00:41:27]  No, and look, I can understand.
[00:41:28]  Like, I, okay, let's go, let's say I was going to be some First Amendment defense lawyer, which I'm not.
[00:41:31]  I'm a planner's lawyer, but like, if I was going to be a defense lawyer on that front, I would be proud to list on my resume a Nazi that I represented, right?
[00:41:41]  Or like a KKK guy, right?
[00:41:42]  And like, I'm in there defending his free speech rights, principally, not like doing a bunch of underhanded stuff to do it, but like surely.
[00:41:50]  And maybe, maybe I'd even be proud if I had like one or two or even three Nazis, or if I had four Nazis or five Nazis or something like that.
[00:41:57]  But like, once you start getting above that number, like now you're just a Nazi lawyer.
[00:42:00]  Your number for Nazis is way higher than my number for Nazis.
[00:42:04]  Weird cavalcade of people around this guy.
[00:42:06]  And so that ought to, that, that's what honestly just like threw my switch about Mark Randonza getting involved in these cases.
[00:42:12]  But as you'll see from like the recent stuff in front of the court, when we discovered what his professional history really is, when we discover the things that he has done in his career, all of a sudden, like it stopped being about like, this guy seems weird, maybe hangs around Nazis too much.
[00:42:25]  Like this guy seems like a genuine menace to us, like could potentially be really dangerous in this courtroom.
[00:42:29]  And so we brought a bunch of briefing about that.
[00:42:32]  And our court said, no, Mark Randonza cannot come anywhere near the state of Texas courtroom.
[00:42:37]  It will not happen.
[00:42:38]  And now there is, they have actually launched an appeal on that.
[00:42:41]  Like they, you got to understand the default judgments have been entered.
[00:42:44]  They haven't appealed those yet, but Margrandans is appealing already.
[00:42:48]  That's super, that's super important.
[00:42:49]  We need Mar Grandaza in this.
[00:42:52]  Need him, right?
[00:42:53]  But actually, that's what's going to be occupying the next bit of the party's times.
[00:42:57]  Is that and so all of that?
[00:42:59]  And I know some of y'all follow this case here.
[00:43:01]  Um, um, that's all will be online at the Court of Appeals website.
[00:43:03]  Just follow along.
[00:43:04]  So they're they're trying to appeal Mark Rondaza being allowed to be involved in the next stages of the case to come defend him during these last stages.
[00:43:13]  Exactly.
[00:43:15]  I mean, that's last thing they've got.
[00:43:16]  Look, here's the other development sort of since last we spoke, sort of thing.
[00:43:19]  Sure.
[00:43:19]  And I can talk about this now because this is public record.
[00:43:22]  This is in the case in the case files.
[00:43:24]  You can go look at it.
[00:43:25]  But as some of your viewers know, we represent a young man who was accused of being the shooter in Parkland and totally falsely.
[00:43:31]  And Jones has had a different lawyer in that case.
[00:43:34]  He's had a long time corporate lawyer who's been in that case.
[00:43:37]  A guy named Eric Taub has represented him that appeared for all three years.
[00:43:41]  Like in the Infowars cases, we've had now we're up to the seventh lawyer, but in Parkland, it's been just that one lawyer the entire time.
[00:43:47]  I've seen Taub's name, like historically, like he's been around with Alex's stuff for quite a while.
[00:43:54]  Exactly.
[00:43:54]  He's the person who came up with all these corporate forms that we were talking about.
[00:43:57]  He's a corporate guy.
[00:43:58]  Like he arranged all of that.
[00:44:00]  And so his name's on all of that stuff.
[00:44:02]  So he's been around for age for maybe more than a decade.
[00:44:05]  I don't know.
[00:44:07]  Well, in the midst of the Fontaine case, real recently, after these default judgments and some other things went down, Eric Taub moved to withdraw as his counsel and filed a motion with the court saying, I can't tell you why because attorney client communication, I can't tell you why, but my continued representation would force me to violate the Texas disciplinary rules of conduct and violate my ethical duties.
[00:44:33]  Nobody knows what that means.
[00:44:34]  Nobody has any idea what the conflict is, what the unethical thing that he would be forced to do is.
[00:44:39]  You know, there's you could speculate a million different ways under the sun, but from attorney-client, we don't know.
[00:44:43]  All we know is something's rotten in Denmark in terms of that relationship.
[00:44:46]  Oh, yeah.
[00:44:47]  And he withdrew now in the Fontaine case.
[00:44:49]  They have no lawyer.
[00:44:52]  We'll see what happens.
[00:44:53]  When you say we don't know what that means, I disagree.
[00:44:55]  We know exactly what that means.
[00:44:56]  We just don't know specifically what it means.
[00:44:59]  Your honor, Alex requires me to wear parachute pants every time I go to the courtroom.
[00:45:05]  I cannot ethically do that.
[00:45:07]  Let me give you like a super benign one, right?
[00:45:10]  That I don't think it is, but this would be like a super benign one, right?
[00:45:13]  Like if I'm representing a client and I've been representing them for three years or whatever in the suit, and then all of a sudden I realize I find out for some reason that that client and who he's suing is actually somebody I used to represent.
[00:45:29]  Right.
[00:45:29]  Like I'm like, let's say I sue Infowars, right?
[00:45:33]  Or something like that.
[00:45:33]  Or let's just make it really easy, right?
[00:45:35]  Like I sue, you want, you come to me and you want to sue Target, and I'm representing you suing Target.
[00:45:41]  And then somewhere in the suit, I reckon I realize, oh, shit, I used to represent Target, but I didn't know that because they must add a different name.
[00:45:48]  They must have been named something different back then.
[00:45:50]  That could give you, that would lead to the same result, right?
[00:45:53]  You could say, now I can no longer ethically represent it.
[00:45:55]  The deal about that is, is you'd be able to disclose that because like your representation of Target, like that's all public and stuff.
[00:46:03]  This is something inside the relationship, something that deals with the attorney-client relationship itself.
[00:46:08]  And therefore, nobody knows.
[00:46:10]  Like, you know, it deals with that relationship.
[00:46:12]  You know, that there's something ethical going on there, but nobody really knows what it is.
[00:46:16]  Your honor, your honor, I would like to withdraw.
[00:46:19]  Alex just watched Better Call Saul and he's got some ideas.
[00:46:24]  I did not like it.
[00:46:26]  Oh, well, the thing that the thing that typically comes up like would be: this client asked me to do something six months ago, and I thought it was all above board when it happened.
[00:46:40]  And I've recently discovered facts that say that's not above board.
[00:46:42]  And now I can't, if I would need to reveal it or leave, one of the two has to happen.
[00:46:46]  If you won't let me reveal it, then I have to leave.
[00:46:50]  Law school example.
[00:46:51]  So we don't know if that kind of conflict exists or not.
[00:46:54]  We don't know.
[00:46:55]  And so it's just so strange to be in this case.
[00:46:58]  So I don't even have opposing counsel on one of the cases right now.
[00:47:01]  But that, I mean, that's something that has got to develop.
[00:47:04]  I think actually Alex has said that that case is already, he already beat that one.
[00:47:11]  According to his public statements on his show, I believe.
[00:47:15]  If your lawyer quits, you win, right?
[00:47:17]  Isn't that how it works?
[00:47:18]  If you suck so hard your own lawyer quits, the government is like, there's nothing we can do.
[00:47:23]  Yeah.
[00:47:23]  You won.
[00:47:24]  So his feeling on that one, look, you got to say, what is what his argument there is, is that that suit is against Free Speech Systems, Kit Daniels, and the company, because Kit Daniels is the one.
[00:47:34]  Alex Jones never didn't like pre-approve his article or get on and say something about Barkland.
[00:47:38]  So Alex Jones is an individually, right?
[00:47:41]  But it's Infowars and Kit Daniels are our defendants there.
[00:47:44]  So Alex's like, hey, I'm free, but hey, all your money is next door at the studio of South Lamar.
[00:47:50]  No, no, no, no.
[00:47:51]  It's all Kit Daniels.
[00:47:52]  Throw him on the bus.
[00:47:53]  Yeah.
[00:47:54]  Independent contractor.
[00:47:55]  Literally never met the guy before, honestly.
[00:47:58]  Would I hire someone named Kit?
[00:48:01]  Please.
[00:48:03]  That's the hiring name.
[00:48:05]  I don't know why you're racking on it.
[00:48:06]  It's a cool name.
[00:48:07]  I don't know.
[00:48:08]  Like an old-timey Western hero.
[00:48:09]  It's awesome.
[00:48:10]  That's why I think Alex would take offense to it.
[00:48:12]  You can't have an old-timey Western hero that's not Alex.
[00:48:16]  That's true.
[00:48:17]  I have a couple more questions I wanted to run by you, if that's all right.
[00:48:22]  The first one was, and this is more of sort of like a personal sort of sense.
[00:48:28]  Did this come as a surprise to you?
[00:48:30]  It seems like it did.
[00:48:32]  The default judgment in the Connecticut case.
[00:48:36]  No, no, I don't think it did.
[00:48:38]  Okay.
[00:48:39]  No, no, let me put it this way.
[00:48:40]  I've known that that default judgment was coming in Connecticut probably for about three, four months.
[00:48:45]  Like that seemed pretty obvious to me that that's where they were heading.
[00:48:48]  Yeah.
[00:48:49]  I mean, look, it's really, I'm not Nostradamus.
[00:48:52]  I'm just looking behind me.
[00:48:53]  You know what I mean?
[00:48:54]  Like, I know where we've been.
[00:48:56]  I know where they're going.
[00:48:57]  And I see the orders they're getting.
[00:48:58]  And I'm like, I remember being there.
[00:49:00]  And so like, I know where they're going.
[00:49:02]  And they're just going right in our wake.
[00:49:03]  It's the same place.
[00:49:04]  There's nothing, like you said, there's nothing too different about it.
[00:49:07]  It did surprise me.
[00:49:10]  I guess it's what really surprised me is that once they were in super hot water in Texas, that they didn't wise up a little bit and change their tactics a little bit, both in Texas and Connecticut to mitigate the damage in Texas and not have this happen in Connecticut.
[00:49:23]  That is surprising.
[00:49:25]  After the summary of what I've seen, I'm not surprised what's happened now.
[00:49:28]  Not at all.
[00:49:29]  Yeah, I guess the thing I guess you were saying was more surprising is that it's a different thing that got them in trouble there than in Texas.
[00:49:39]  Yeah, there's just, there's just so much that it's like, wow, like they still had more in the more powder to burn.
[00:49:44]  Most people couldn't get default judgments against them for anything.
[00:49:50]  Yeah, they have to really give it a try.
[00:49:52]  I mean, it's not an easy thing to do.
[00:49:53]  And so, yeah, I don't think I was really surprised.
[00:49:58]  I was surprised when I didn't get it in 2019 because I really thought I deserved it in 2019.
[00:50:02]  I thought what they did was just ridiculous.
[00:50:05]  But I understood what was going on.
[00:50:06]  They're like, we give them a chance on appeal.
[00:50:08]  We give them their whatever.
[00:50:09]  And if they come back and they decide they're going to play nice, give them another chance.
[00:50:12]  When they came back after appealing this summer and then things just were just a mess, just falling apart, I knew something was up.
[00:50:19]  Then when they had the whole thing up in Connecticut where they released the plaintiff's information to try to depose Hillary Clinton and all the weirdness, I was like, okay, like any idea that this was going to go normal, that's gone.
[00:50:30]  So there's only one way it can go.
[00:50:33]  The water can only roll one day on this hill.
[00:50:35]  And so I knew where it was going.
[00:50:37]  Sure.
[00:50:38]  It's interesting.
[00:50:39]  I think I said to God today, obviously, as you can imagine, reporters just calling me off the hook.
[00:50:44]  And I think I said to one reporter, I always knew we were going to beat Jones.
[00:50:49]  I just didn't think it would happen in this ridiculous of a fashion.
[00:50:56]  It's actually kind of infuriating on some.
[00:50:59]  And part of it is that the case is so obviously meritorious that you don't need the default judgment.
[00:51:07]  You don't need it.
[00:51:08]  It's ridiculous.
[00:51:09]  Like, so, and when Jones has the default judgment, it allows him to point back to it and say, I got railroaded this old kangaroo.
[00:51:17]  I was never found guilty.
[00:51:18]  Yeah, this is all just, you know, and so it does deflate from the importance of it.
[00:51:23]  But I think on the other end, there's the, there's the other end that it is almost kind of poetic that it demonstrates like what an absolute ridiculous character he is.
[00:51:31]  That he won't even participate in these suits right or respect the family's ability to have their day in court against him.
[00:51:36]  None of that even happened.
[00:51:37]  It is almost fitting of like, yeah, this does show.
[00:51:40]  It's almost even proves our case.
[00:51:43]  I will die away.
[00:51:44]  Like he can't even participate in the lawsuit without being completely malicious.
[00:51:49]  Like, there's that, that elevates it.
[00:51:51]  But I am, you're right.
[00:51:53]  It sucks that there isn't going to be a full out, like everything's in the hand of 12 jurors and you can never point at anybody but them.
[00:52:01]  Yeah, I think maybe some cold comfort is that you can really look at this as him being basically a coward and not being willing to engage with this process for what you can only assume is probably a keen awareness that he was not going to win this.
[00:52:18]  No, he's going to very much lose.
[00:52:20]  And, you know, I think that masculinity and bravado is such an important thing to him.
[00:52:25]  And just sort of being able to look at this and be like, well, you couldn't even stand up and face responsibility and prove yourself right if you if you were right.
[00:52:35]  I mean, I think, I think the largest problem, though, is it seems very clear to me that once the case was brought and his lawyers actually spoke to him, he was essentially like, okay, I've lost.
[00:52:49]  And so what he's managed to do is wring the end of fucking democracy out of it for an extra few years.
[00:52:58]  I mean, I think that's, look, it's, it's a good theory, but the problem with that is, is that I really think that Jones was led astray by some really bad legal counsel in this case.
[00:53:08]  And I feel like some people came in and told him, you are going to win.
[00:53:12]  You're going to be a Larry Flint hero at the Supreme Court if you don't.
[00:53:16]  And you are going to win.
[00:53:17]  And we're going to vindicate this for you.
[00:53:18]  And they feed his own BS back to him and say, yeah, this is all globalist shows who are coming out.
[00:53:22]  I know two people who have said that to him on air.
[00:53:27]  Also, please do not fill in an amount for this check.
[00:53:30]  That is, it's very interesting that they have strung him along on this idea that he doesn't have to play fair.
[00:53:38]  I mean, I'm not, look, when we deposed him and some of the stuff we asked him about discovery, and I really do feel some of it was honestly, yes, I just turned this over to the lawyers.
[00:53:48]  That's why we went after the lawyers on those bits.
[00:53:52]  But I think they really did at some point, the worm started to turn that the only way that these lawyers could convince him that their series of failures wasn't due to really bad, potentially actionable things on Jones' behalf.
[00:54:08]  Like, if you got to understand, Jones has the right to bring malpractice actions against his attorneys, right?
[00:54:13]  Like, if there was, that was a thing, he can do that.
[00:54:17]  If he thinks that there was malpractice done in the way his case was done, I think we have a next chapter.
[00:54:24]  I think what seems to me from what we see, how the court proceedings played out, is that they convinced him that, no, this wasn't a result of anything that we've done wrong.
[00:54:34]  It's because the system is rigged against you and you're in a kangaroo court and this is a show trial.
[00:54:39]  I don't from my position, knowing like from everything I can tell based on my hours of listening to him, I don't think anyone needed to convince him of that.
[00:54:50]  Yeah, like that there's a conspiracy against him.
[00:54:52]  No, but I really think that event at the beginning, he thought that he was going to win.
[00:54:57]  He was going to go into these courts and he was going to prove himself right.
[00:55:01]  He was going to embarrass me and the globalists and all of that.
[00:55:05]  I mean, at the very beginning of the case, he thought he was going to collect money from the parents.
[00:55:09]  Like, that's how he really did think that for a while.
[00:55:14]  He was relishing watching me fall on my face.
[00:55:18]  That was something he could not wait to see happen.
[00:55:21]  And when it didn't happen, and when every time his attorneys came back to him and said, you owe more money now, you have to pay because we owe more attorneys' fees now, then they just convinced him you're getting railroaded.
[00:55:30]  It's not that we're doing anything wrong.
[00:55:31]  It's you're getting railroaded.
[00:55:33]  And then that's what caused him after these default judgments to just not and why I feel kind of free to speak out like this is because he just spent days on his show saying that our judge was like, you know, a satanic cannibal with the globalist pedophile Pizzagate people or whatever.

=== Words Being Watched (06:02) ===

[00:55:49]  And like has now just done the worm's turn.
[00:55:52]  He's like, now you just don't play.
[00:55:53]  Now I'm just not participating.
[00:55:54]  I'm not going to play these people's games.
[00:55:56]  And so from here on out, I'm just expecting it to just be just an absolute circus.
[00:56:01]  I don't think anything is going to happen normally from here until trial.
[00:56:04]  Yeah.
[00:56:04]  His prediction today was that he's going to get default judgment in the second stage of the case as well.
[00:56:11]  But he also is claiming that he's not being allowed to participate in the this phase, this penalty phase.
[00:56:19]  I'd be happy for him to participate in whatever way he would like to.
[00:56:22]  I would love for him to be that was my sense of it.
[00:56:24]  Yeah, I'd love for him to participate.
[00:56:26]  Man, it seems like it was his choice.
[00:56:28]  Oh, that's the radio version of the hold me back.
[00:56:33]  Hold me back.
[00:56:35]  No, no, no, please, please hold me back.
[00:56:37]  No, I mean, that's why I have to push back on this stuff.
[00:56:39]  Why I have to come out and like, again, I'm doing part of the reason why I like to come on your show.
[00:56:43]  I know it's weird and I know we cuss and we say weird stuff and maybe we're a little bit, you know, different than normal mainstream media.
[00:56:50]  But the problem is, is like mainstream media is really bad about getting these stories wrong and they're really bad about just taking whatever they want and using it to do their agendas and Jones will use that too.
[00:57:02]  So I do like to use this kind of form to say the things that are being said about the conduct of the attorneys, about the conduct of the court, about the conduct of the plaintiffs.
[00:57:11]  They're all, it's bullshit.
[00:57:13]  None of it's true.
[00:57:14]  Like very loudly, like it's not true.
[00:57:17]  Yeah.
[00:57:17]  And it's, it's so disrespectful to see a person who has already gone through all of these links and then now gets these orders against him and is now just like, no, that's that's lost.
[00:57:26]  Like I can't, I have to get on here and tell you like these things that are being said by Jones out of his mouth are simply not true.
[00:57:32]  Well, I think you're preaching to the choir.
[00:57:35]  Right.
[00:57:36]  I do.
[00:57:36]  But but look, my words travel from here, right?
[00:57:39]  Like there are people watch this shit.
[00:57:41]  And then it's not just the people you think, right?
[00:57:43]  Like, like my words are kind of being watched a little bit.
[00:57:47]  And when I go out on to say, if I was to go on MSNBC and try to fit what I'm trying to say there, it would be butchered to hell.
[00:57:54]  But when I'm here with you guys, I think I can say the realities of what the public records shows.
[00:58:00]  And that I've had to sit by and watch him get on his show and say the most insane things about this case that it feels liberating to be able to now say that those things aren't true.
[00:58:10]  And so that this is a record and people will take my words down.
[00:58:13]  So I'm glad that will be for posterity.
[00:58:15]  Well, and we definitely appreciate you being willing to offer that perspective and come talk with us.
[00:58:21]  Like it's, it means a lot.
[00:58:24]  I had one more question, if that's all right, before we're running on, and I'm sure.
[00:58:30]  I know, we just ramble when we get on together.
[00:58:33]  I was curious if there are any consequences that he might be facing in Connecticut that are different than the possibility of what he could be facing in Texas, or if they're both financial.
[00:58:46]  No, they're both financial, but I mean, the one difference is Texas' contempt laws are a little bit harsher.
[00:58:53]  Texas can just send you to jail if you're an asshole too often.
[00:58:56]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:58:57]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:58:58]  Yeah, judges do imprison people from time to time when they do things that are wrong.
[00:59:02]  That happens less up in Connecticut.
[00:59:04]  But yeah, we're basically looking at the same kinds of judgments and writs of garnishment, writs of attachment.
[00:59:10]  So yeah, it is all just basically a monetary penalty.
[00:59:13]  And just like, I guess, assets wrapped up in that too.
[00:59:16]  Like, yeah, okay.
[00:59:17]  Yeah.
[00:59:17]  Yeah.
[00:59:18]  And ultimately, the ability to levy against the corporation itself and all of that.
[00:59:22]  Like, like, there's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of heavy-handed stuff you can do to enforce a judgment.
[00:59:28]  I mean, what you've described so far, though, I cannot imagine the nightmare after all of the legal aspects are over.
[00:59:37]  Just that, like, okay, let's apportion what it is that we need to give to people through two different courts, through two different lawsuits, through multiple plaintiffs, through all of this stuff.
[00:59:50]  They're going to have to find a really, really evil accountant to get out of some of that shit.
[00:59:56]  I think we're going to have to find.
[01:00:00]  And we're going to have to find some pretty aggressive accountants on the other side.
[01:00:03]  Yeah, totally.
[01:00:06]  It's going to be like CSI accounting.
[01:00:08]  You know what I mean?
[01:00:08]  Like, it's going to be some stuff like that.
[01:00:10]  And so that'll be interesting.
[01:00:11]  I mean, who knows how long this will last, of course, because you can totally get the verdict.
[01:00:15]  And so we'll have to see where that goes.
[01:00:17]  There's not, that's the interesting thing.
[01:00:18]  He always thought he'd go up to the Supreme Court and have some great First Amendment appeal.
[01:00:21]  It's not going to happen.
[01:00:22]  How dare you, sir?
[01:00:24]  Can't happen though.
[01:00:25]  He can go up and he can appeal.
[01:00:27]  I wasn't that disrespectful.
[01:00:29]  Like, I wasn't that much of a contemptuous litigant.
[01:00:32]  Like, and that's never going to work.
[01:00:34]  So he really doesn't have an appeal.
[01:00:36]  The thing is, you're right that when you're talking about like, oh, it's champagne time.
[01:00:40]  Yeah, when you have both sets of cases defaulted and therefore you know it, neither of them was a fluke.
[01:00:44]  So they're not getting a return.
[01:00:45]  Yeah.
[01:00:47]  Turkey's done.
[01:00:48]  It feels like the appeal avenue he could have would be like taking it to the Supreme Court whether or not people can have default judgments.
[01:00:57]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:00:57]  Whether that's an allowable legal concept.
[01:01:00]  But that seems like an impossible thing for him to engage in.
[01:01:04]  And I don't think he would win that.
[01:01:06]  No, and I mean, like, why would you at that point?
[01:01:08]  I mean, at some point, you're going to close up shop and figure out just pouring good money after bad.
[01:01:12]  So I don't know what's going to happen.
[01:01:14]  Well, you know, I know we're, you know, I want to say that the only thing I know is we're going to go to a trial of 12 peers.
[01:01:23]  Do we?
[01:01:23]  Yeah, do we?
[01:01:24]  I don't know that that's happening.
[01:01:26]  Do you know that?
[01:01:27]  There might just be a piece of paper.
[01:01:30]  Well, Alex has sworn that he's going to keep going no matter what.

=== Losing Cases and VictimhoodNarratives (15:20) ===

[01:01:34]  Even if he loses all his money, he will continue the info war.
[01:01:38]  Love it.
[01:01:38]  And I look forward to that.
[01:01:40]  I look forward to the possibility of us having more high-tech shows.
[01:01:46]  That would be fun.
[01:01:47]  Yeah, that would be nice.
[01:01:50]  Well, Mark, thank you so much for joining us.
[01:01:52]  I think we should probably, we've been, I feel like it's been about an hour and a half.
[01:01:57]  I feel like, yeah, it's been a long darn time.
[01:01:58]  This is longer than I anticipated, but I've had a great time.
[01:02:02]  You know what?
[01:02:02]  Look, and chop it up like you want, dude.
[01:02:04]  You don't have to play the whole hour, like an hour and a half, but like you want to let the tape run, let the tape run.
[01:02:10]  But I think our audience particularly likes long episodes.
[01:02:14]  Oh, yeah.
[01:02:15]  So I have no problem with that.
[01:02:17]  They yell at me when we stopped having episodes that were like three hours long.
[01:02:21]  So I don't know.
[01:02:23]  They're weirdos.
[01:02:24]  Thank you so much, Mark.
[01:02:26]  Oh, yeah.
[01:02:26]  I'll be back.
[01:02:27]  Look, this is an ongoing thing.
[01:02:28]  We got to keep it up.
[01:02:29]  I can't wait for the next update.
[01:02:31]  Love it.
[01:02:31]  We'll figure it out.
[01:02:33]  All right.
[01:02:33]  Have a good one.
[01:02:35]  All right.
[01:02:35]  Now that the 1998 and conversation with Mark Bankston is out of the way, I feel like I'm in an emotional place where I can actually get to this.
[01:02:44]  I'll do it.
[01:02:45]  We'll talk about it.
[01:02:47]  We'll talk about November 15th.
[01:02:48]  I think you have to leave the studio.
[01:02:50]  I don't think you have.
[01:02:51]  I think you're just too mad to talk about this.
[01:02:52]  To talk about this to the crew.
[01:02:54]  I'm sorry, but it's not the crew's fault, Dan.
[01:02:56]  Yeah.
[01:02:57]  So we start here on the 15th, and Alex is concerned that Patriots are getting jammed up, except for Kyle Rittenhouse.
[01:03:07]  Everyone that has stood up to the globalist deep state is being indicted.
[01:03:11]  They're being SWAT-teamed.
[01:03:14]  They're being denied trial by juries.
[01:03:17]  They're being imprisoned.
[01:03:18]  This is the weaponization of the judiciary in this country.
[01:03:23]  There's still pools of honorable people in the judiciary, like you're seeing in the Kenosha case with the judge there who's actually doing a fair trial.
[01:03:33]  But in all the Soros-controlled zones like Austin, Texas, and New Haven, Connecticut, you see naked corruption, mafia-level organized crime, in my view, from the judiciary.
[01:03:48]  Just complete lawlessness.
[01:03:51]  And here's a great example of that overhead shot police on this November 15th Monday transmission.
[01:03:59]  Look at this headline out of the Associated Press.
[01:04:02]  Alex Jones loses lawsuit over Sandy Hook hoax conspiracy.
[01:04:06]  Yeah.
[01:04:07]  I wonder why he chose those two specific cities for where the globalists have really taken over, Dan.
[01:04:14]  I don't know.
[01:04:15]  Not sure.
[01:04:16]  Some of the examples of the Patriots who are getting jammed up are pretty fun, too, because it's James O'Keefe because he got raided.
[01:04:22]  Sure.
[01:04:23]  And he already committed a felony, too.
[01:04:27]  True.
[01:04:27]  And then Steve Bannon getting indicted.
[01:04:30]  And I just think that's really funny that Alex would put Steve Bannon in that group because he hates Bannon.
[01:04:35]  He hates Bannon.
[01:04:36]  He hates him.
[01:04:37]  Yeah, but just basically called for his death.
[01:04:40]  Wow.
[01:04:41]  I mean, who's not calling for anybody's death either?
[01:04:43]  Steve Bannon is such a traitor.
[01:04:45]  It's like Patriots are getting jammed up.
[01:04:47]  Everybody everywhere.
[01:04:48]  People are framing Steve Bannon for shit that he definitely didn't do that.
[01:04:52]  I said he did.
[01:04:52]  I'm so furious that he's stolen the name War Room for his podcast, but also he's a great man standing up to the history.
[01:04:58]  He's a hero, stands up to the globalists.
[01:05:00]  Can't stand him.
[01:05:00]  He's the devil himself.
[01:05:02]  Very confusing.
[01:05:03]  But whatever you have to do in order to make your own victimhood being, you know, losing these cases by default judgment, you have to fit it into a larger narrative, and that's a perfect way to do it.
[01:05:14]  So Alex is, I think he's trying to pretend that he didn't actually lose these cases, which is fun.
[01:05:21]  Interesting.
[01:05:21]  Look at this headline out of the Associated Press.
[01:05:25]  Alex Jones loses lawsuit over Sandy Hook hoax conspiracy.
[01:05:31]  Now, what really happened?
[01:05:32]  This came out again back in October, the last default in Austin.
[01:05:40]  Now it's November.
[01:05:42]  Default there.
[01:05:43]  But before I show you this, what's happening in Connecticut, father of Sandy Hook victim wins defamation lawsuit against Alex Jones.
[01:05:52]  That's from 2000 and 19.
[01:05:59]  Now, did I lose the suit?
[01:06:01]  It says a father of victim of the Sandy Hook Elementary Massacre has won defamation lawsuit against the authors of a book that claimed the shooting never happened.
[01:06:11]  It goes on to say, I've lost the suit.
[01:06:14]  I'm not in the book.
[01:06:15]  I didn't lose that suit.
[01:06:16]  Didn't happen.
[01:06:16]  We contacted AP.
[01:06:18]  They said, sue us.
[01:06:18]  We're not changing it.
[01:06:20]  That's the level here.
[01:06:22]  If anyone wants to understand what's going on against InfoWars that we deal with.
[01:06:26]  So that's a MarketWatch headline.
[01:06:29]  It wasn't the Associated Press.
[01:06:31]  We've talked about this a hundred times exhaustively.
[01:06:34]  But if you're listening to this, let me see if this is the tone you're getting from this.
[01:06:39]  There are headlines that I lost these cases now in the present day.
[01:06:44]  Right.
[01:06:45]  But also, they've lied about me losing cases in the past.
[01:06:48]  So maybe this is meant to sort of imply that they're lying now.
[01:06:53]  Right.
[01:06:53]  Did I lose the cases?
[01:06:54]  They've lied about the cases before.
[01:06:57]  That feels like the only interpretation that you could have to him bringing up this other headline to discuss the current headline.
[01:07:05]  I mean, I guess the other thing that he's trying to say is that it's like a propaganda thing to make you feel like he's a loser or something.
[01:07:13]  I have no idea what he's saying other than maybe I won.
[01:07:18]  Yeah.
[01:07:19]  That's the sense I get, which makes it so confusing when he immediately says this.
[01:07:24]  I didn't lose that suit.
[01:07:25]  Didn't happen.
[01:07:26]  We contacted AP.
[01:07:27]  They said, sue us.
[01:07:28]  We're not changing it.
[01:07:30]  That's the level here.
[01:07:32]  If anyone wants to understand what's going on against InfoWars that we deal with.
[01:07:36]  Now, this didn't happen two and a half years ago.
[01:07:40]  The thing in Texas and the thing in Connecticut today did happen.
[01:07:44]  Wait, what?
[01:07:45]  Then why?
[01:07:46]  Then why'd you bring it up?
[01:07:48]  I don't understand what the point is here.
[01:07:50]  Now, sometimes they lied.
[01:07:51]  Maybe I didn't lose these cases.
[01:07:53]  But these ones are definitely losing.
[01:07:54]  This time, they did not lie.
[01:07:56]  I lost these fucking cases.
[01:07:57]  Got to be honest.
[01:07:58]  They're straight up.
[01:07:59]  I lost these.
[01:08:00]  I'm a big loser on this one.
[01:08:02]  I'm going to take a big L, put it on the forehead.
[01:08:04]  I just was so confused by like, what even are you trying to get at here?
[01:08:09]  I can usually suss out what the point is.
[01:08:12]  It's almost like a nervous tick.
[01:08:14]  Like, he just has to bring up some whataboutism.
[01:08:17]  Yeah.
[01:08:17]  And that was the only thing that came to mind.
[01:08:19]  Or something that is just meant to be a roadblock and be confusing.
[01:08:23]  Red herring.
[01:08:24]  Yeah.
[01:08:24]  So in this next clip, Alex discusses that default judgments, like the ones he's been subject to are rare.
[01:08:32]  True.
[01:08:32]  Alex Jones guilty by default in all Sandy Hook defamation suits.
[01:08:37]  Wow, by default, that's a new thing, huh?
[01:08:40]  No.
[01:08:40]  That's only if somebody doesn't show up to the court or depositions or any of it.
[01:08:45]  You have those.
[01:08:46]  They're very rare, but they're not rare now.
[01:08:48]  I was reading in the news just last month, especially in California.
[01:08:51]  Democrats more and more just do that.
[01:08:54]  The judges just do that.
[01:08:56]  If they want to get you politically, they don't care what you do.
[01:08:59]  They just say you haven't given them everything.
[01:09:01]  They ask for things that don't exist, like give us the Sandy Hook marketing.
[01:09:05]  We don't have that.
[01:09:06]  Yeah, we know you do.
[01:09:08]  Yeah, I need a source on this.
[01:09:11]  Democrats in California are defaulting.
[01:09:14]  Democrats in California are just defaulting people because they're trying to railroad you, dude.
[01:09:17]  Yeah, it's political.
[01:09:18]  They're just defaulting.
[01:09:19]  So Alex is correct that default judgments are uncommon, but that's just, you know, because most people accept their responsibility to take part in legal proceedings.
[01:09:28]  We're in a functioning society.
[01:09:29]  Typically, you know, like if you are innocent, you'll want to be able to have your day in court to prove your innocence.
[01:09:35]  Absolutely.
[01:09:36]  See your accuser, etc.
[01:09:37]  Sure.
[01:09:38]  If you're guilty, I guess you probably don't want to go to court, but you have a responsibility to.
[01:09:43]  It's either go to court or run.
[01:09:45]  Sure.
[01:09:46]  Or, or I guess just drag your feet.
[01:09:49]  I mean, I guess dragging your feet was an option for murder cases all along.
[01:09:53]  Yeah.
[01:09:53]  But even though this is rare, it's not like default judgments never happen.
[01:09:58]  And Alex should be super aware of this since his buddy John McAfee had a default judgment against him in the civil case regarding his neighbor in Belize, who was murdered.
[01:10:07]  Forcing a default judgment is one of the preferred strategies of high-profile people who don't want to have to engage with the legal system in civil cases, like R. Kelly and Cuba Gooding Jr. did.
[01:10:16]  It's not hard to think that Alex is refusing to cooperate with the discovery process because he has something he really doesn't want to be public, like the exact nature of his finances or sources of funding.
[01:10:27]  There's probably a good chance you knew he was going to lose these cases if they ever went to trial.
[01:10:31]  So, if you're going to lose anyway, why not protect your business secrets and simultaneously create a situation where you can claim you weren't actually found guilty?
[01:10:39]  This is a good PR strategy, but it probably won't matter.
[01:10:44]  And it doesn't affect the real world.
[01:10:46]  He's going to be on the hook for so much money, and it's already too late generally for him to do all that much about it.
[01:10:52]  Yeah.
[01:10:52]  He might be able to get some kind of appeals going, but that's not going to go anywhere.
[01:10:58]  Doubtful.
[01:10:59]  You already spent the last four years dragging this out so much so that people went through an entire fucking president to get you.
[01:11:07]  I'm really interested to see what happens throughout this case, but I think pretty much all of his legal avenues are exhausted.
[01:11:14]  And we talked with Mark, there's the possibility that he could want to challenge the validity of default judgment.
[01:11:21]  Sure.
[01:11:21]  But I don't think that would work.
[01:11:23]  I think it's a waste of time.
[01:11:24]  And honestly, I don't know who would be in favor of that.
[01:11:31]  I mean, from what I understand, appellate judges are somehow even more unconcerned with human life than most other judges.
[01:11:42]  So them getting two judges in two different states having to send them cases that they default judged upon.
[01:11:51]  An appeals court is going to be like, we got to take this one up.
[01:11:55]  I need to wait another three years for me to handle this shit.
[01:11:59]  Yeah, it seems incredibly unlikely.
[01:12:01]  Yeah.
[01:12:01]  The process is going to be fun to watch, or at least interesting.
[01:12:05]  So Alex says something really gross now.
[01:12:07]  We hardly ever even talked about Sandy Hook.
[01:12:09]  But you know what?
[01:12:10]  I'm going to be talking about it now because it's dealing with a system trying to kill the First Amendment.
[01:12:15]  You know, they tried to use Sandy Hook to get the Second Amendment, and now they're trying to use it to get the First Amendment.
[01:12:21]  And I don't really know what happened there.
[01:12:22]  There were a lot of anomalies, a lot of issues, but I do those cool shootings do actually happen.
[01:12:26]  I just know they're not my fault.
[01:12:27]  You don't know Sandy Hook.
[01:12:29]  When you think about Sandy Hook, you think about the name Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen.
[01:12:36]  And that's just branding and brainwashing and propaganda.
[01:12:40]  That's such a disgusting expression of Alex's out-of-control narcissism.
[01:12:44]  Like, how dare he be so self-centered that he thinks that when you hear the word Sandy Hook, the first thing you think of is him.
[01:12:50]  I study for Alex for a living, and he's not even the first thing I think of when I think of Sandy Hook.
[01:12:55]  He's just an absolute monster who can't experience anything in life unless it revolves around himself.
[01:13:01]  And it honestly kind of makes me sad because ultimately what you end up realizing is that there's a fair amount of people in the world who base their political beliefs on what they think is researched information, but it's really just the product of Alex's moody, narcissistic outbursts.
[01:13:14]  Yeah.
[01:13:15]  And that's really a bummer.
[01:13:17]  Yeah, I mean, that millions of people have allowed their reality to be shaped by a narcissistic, out-of-control man-child is probably bad.
[01:13:25]  Yeah.
[01:13:26]  But have you considered what would it be like if everybody was rational and reasonable?
[01:13:30]  I mean, obviously, if everybody was rational, we would be murdering each other in the streets.
[01:13:34]  Shit would be a lot more boring, I think, if everybody was rational.
[01:13:38]  That's definitely true.
[01:13:40]  But, hey, this sucks.
[01:13:42]  Yeah.
[01:13:42]  Because you know what you think of when you think of Sandy Hook?
[01:13:45]  Families grieving and the complete tragedy of the event.
[01:13:49]  They don't think about Alex Jones.
[01:13:51]  And him having the gall to say, I don't really know what happened there at this point in time.
[01:13:56]  A lot of people have told you very specifically what happened there.
[01:13:59]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:00]  And what you got very wrong.
[01:14:02]  Oh, yeah.
[01:14:02]  This is a lot of bullshit.
[01:14:05]  Wow.
[01:14:05]  So Alex has a prediction about the next phase of his trials now that he's lost all of them by default judgment.
[01:14:13]  Sure.
[01:14:14]  And he can make this prediction come true on his own.
[01:14:17]  Now a jury will decide how guilty you are.
[01:14:20]  And folks, they're going to double default.
[01:14:23]  You understand that?
[01:14:24]  They're going to double default.
[01:14:26]  I told the lawyers this years ago.
[01:14:27]  They're going to double default and not even let me be at the trial to decide how guilty I am.
[01:14:32]  This is a joke.
[01:14:34]  It's beyond a kangaroo trial.
[01:14:36]  It's beyond a show trial.
[01:14:37]  It's all a ridiculous fraud.
[01:14:41]  And why are they going to be freaked out to learn I've spent more money fighting this than I'll probably ever make after this?
[01:14:48]  I don't even care about the money for they can't get blood out of a stone and they're not going to shut my show down.
[01:14:52]  So good luck.
[01:14:55]  The CEO of Pfizer just came out and said this.
[01:14:59]  People talking bad about the vaccines are working for quote dark forces.
[01:15:03]  Why do you do this commercial?
[01:15:05]  Why does this commercial sound like you're drunk?
[01:15:08]  Yes.
[01:15:08]  The CEO of Pfizer.
[01:15:11]  Sorry, sorry about this sound on this commercial.
[01:15:13]  I just woke up.
[01:15:14]  What is going on?
[01:15:16]  It's like.
[01:15:16]  You can do two tanks.
[01:15:18]  It's three in the morning.
[01:15:19]  He's recording on the fucking cell phone.
[01:15:21]  What is happening?
[01:15:24]  I mean, also, I know for a fact that you have a standing invitation to that courtroom.
[01:15:29]  Yeah, and that is a creep voice.
[01:15:31]  I just want to talk more about that commercial.
[01:15:32]  Oh, I can't.
[01:15:33]  If I think about it too much, I think about him.
[01:15:36]  Oh, he's eating my ears, Dan.
[01:15:38]  I'm wearing headphones.
[01:15:39]  Yeah.
[01:15:41]  They want to sell you X2.
[01:15:43]  Oh, snow.
[01:15:44]  So Alex will probably end up getting double defaulted in this case.
[01:15:47]  But again, it's going to be his fault if he does.
[01:15:50]  The next phase of the trial is about determining what is a fitting financial penalty.
[01:15:53]  And if Alex doesn't cooperate with Discovery on this part, by refusing to turn over the appropriate financial documents, he can fuck around and get another default judgment.
[01:16:02]  He won't if he cooperates, though.
[01:16:04]  He has every ability to.
[01:16:06]  He has every opportunity to.
[01:16:08]  Again.
[01:16:08]  And no one can shut down Alex's show except himself.
[01:16:11]  And he can talk big all he wants, but I have absolutely zero doubt that he would quit if he didn't have the flashy studio, the weird pill line that he runs himself, the ability to travel wherever he wants and buy things like tanks, the ability to pay a staff to gather headlines for him and work out all the technical aspects of the show.
[01:16:28]  He would quit in a second if he didn't have those things.
[01:16:32]  He would be losing essentially all of the things that allow him to pretend to be a legitimate show and sets him apart from any dumb asshole on YouTube who makes videos about how vaccines are evil.

=== Willing to Suck It Up? (03:08) ===

[01:16:41]  He'd be the washed up guy who had his time and he didn't get anything done.
[01:16:45]  The hungry young buck conspiracy theorists would probably resent him trying to take up space in their world, siphoning off attention and possible donations that could be going to them.
[01:16:53]  Yep.
[01:16:54]  Personally, I hope he does continue to do the show, even if he goes broke, just because, you know, as someone who watches this show, I think it would be a fascinating narrative arc.
[01:17:01]  I don't think it's going to happen, though.
[01:17:03]  I just don't think Alex has the humility to go back to being a DIY guy.
[01:17:06]  No, absolutely not.
[01:17:07]  And imagine him trying to do it by himself.
[01:17:10]  Get the fuck out of here.
[01:17:11]  It makes me think of Steve Pieczenik and how his wife has to turn on the record.
[01:17:15]  Right, totally.
[01:17:17]  Totally.
[01:17:17]  She has to handle the computer for him.
[01:17:19]  If I was Rex and I was looking at the tea leaves, I'd be like, I got to get out of here.
[01:17:25]  Otherwise, I am going to be working on InfoWars 2.0 with my fucking dad for the rest of my life.
[01:17:30]  Dad, I need my inheritance now.
[01:17:32]  Now.
[01:17:33]  And I'm going to flee the country.
[01:17:35]  Prior to the judgments being handed out.
[01:17:38]  Yeah.
[01:17:38]  Yeah.
[01:17:40]  I think I do agree.
[01:17:42]  I mean, like, no one can stop his show except for himself.
[01:17:46]  It's just a matter of, you know, what you're willing to accept, what standard of living you're willing to accept, doing things for no money.
[01:17:54]  Are you willing to accept that?
[01:17:55]  Right.
[01:17:56]  Are you willing to not be able to grandstand the way that you do?
[01:17:59]  And I don't think he is.
[01:18:01]  I just, I think he's.
[01:18:02]  And you have to figure, you know, if he loses that status, goes right back down to bottom tier, it's going to be open season on cannibalizing him.
[01:18:13]  Oh, shit.
[01:18:14]  Like, you're going to get points so easy for shitting all over Alex in that realm.
[01:18:18]  And we already see it now.
[01:18:20]  Like when he shows up for these interviews on like Rogan or with Patrick Bett David or the Logan Paul, like he just gets wasted and he's just like a dumbass.
[01:18:31]  And like eventually that'll wear out if he wasn't like had this show that looks super professional.
[01:18:37]  Yeah.
[01:18:37]  He'll just be this sad old man who's drunk on a YouTube show.
[01:18:41]  Yeah.
[01:18:42]  Fun.
[01:18:43]  Fun.
[01:18:44]  Yep.
[01:18:45]  So people keep asking Alex, like, how you doing?
[01:18:48]  How you doing, man?
[01:18:49]  Not well.
[01:18:49]  There's trouble.
[01:18:50]  Super bad.
[01:18:51]  There's trouble.
[01:18:51]  So how you doing?
[01:18:52]  Real bad.
[01:18:52]  Alex is like, don't worry about me, man.
[01:18:55]  So people ask, how am I doing when I get demonized and I get lied about and I get put through kangaroo courts?
[01:19:01]  And I'm like, well, how do you think the children are?
[01:19:04]  Shared country being forced to wear a mask over their faces with teachers taping them to their heads and screaming at them and telling them that they're bad because they're white.
[01:19:13]  Won't you think of the white children?
[01:19:16]  Nobody ever thinks of the white children, specifically and only.
[01:19:20]  Yes.
[01:19:21]  I like that.
[01:19:22]  I think that's fudge.
[01:19:23]  Like people ask me how I'm doing with these lawsuits and I say, don't worry about me.
[01:19:26]  Worry about the white kids.
[01:19:28]  Yeah, that one really is saying the quiet part awful loud.

=== Brick Wall Encounter (03:51) ===

[01:19:32]  Yeah, a little bit.
[01:19:33]  Wildly loud.
[01:19:34]  Yep.
[01:19:34]  Also, don't ask Alex how he's doing if you want to know how Alex is doing.
[01:19:39]  Ask Alex whether or not the world is going to end.
[01:19:41]  Well, actually, that's really interesting because this next clip, he's talking about how the good times are over.
[01:19:47]  Hey, Alex, is the world going to end?
[01:19:49]  No, then you're in a good mood.
[01:19:51]  Are over.
[01:19:52]  The roaring 20th century going on the 21st century is abruptly hitting a brick wall or like a record skipping off the surface.
[01:20:02]  And so brace yourselves like when you're in a really bad car wreck.
[01:20:07]  One time I got blown off a side of a highway embankment by a tornado.
[01:20:12]  What?
[01:20:12]  My dad was in the car.
[01:20:13]  What are you doing?
[01:20:14]  And we would have been killed if we hadn't hit the oak trees in the back of the suburban.
[01:20:18]  It crushed half the suburban in.
[01:20:20]  But we shot off, spun around backwards down a 50-foot embankment, plunging into trees and got away with just concussions.
[01:20:28]  But I remember saying, Brace for impact.
[01:20:31]  And we hit so hard it broke both our chairs back.
[01:20:34]  And that 10 seconds while we're flying over the embankment down the hill into the woods, took about 10 seconds.
[01:20:41]  Was like 20 years.
[01:20:43]  It felt like forever.
[01:20:45]  In there, bracing for impact.
[01:20:47]  That's a wild tornado story.
[01:20:50]  I don't believe that.
[01:20:52]  I don't think I've ever heard it before.
[01:20:53]  And I've listened to a lot of his shows.
[01:20:55]  Seems like that one would be.
[01:20:57]  The part of me wants to say that's probably bullshit, but it's actually possible that that happened.
[01:21:01]  Okay.
[01:21:01]  Like tornadoes are super deadly, but there have been documented cases of people being inside cars that are actually picked up by tornadoes and they survive.
[01:21:09]  But I don't think it's a super common thing, although there are plenty of tornadoes in Texas.
[01:21:16]  It's conceivable.
[01:21:17]  I don't believe it, but I'm open to the possibility of it being true.
[01:21:22]  That's where I'm at.
[01:21:23]  It's closer to, I think he probably happened.
[01:21:27]  Come on.
[01:21:28]  It's been how long?
[01:21:29]  It's been more than five years.
[01:21:31]  It's been more than five years, and I have not heard this totally awesome story about surviving a fucking tornado before.
[01:21:39]  Are you shitting me?
[01:21:40]  I used to watch a lot of deGrassy, the Canadian teen show.
[01:21:44]  Oh, I'm aware.
[01:21:45]  And one of the things that me and...
[01:21:46]  I'll never forgive them for Drake.
[01:21:48]  Me and my buddy Nikki Gifts, one of the things that we were taken aback by is how, like, yeah, a lot of the stuff in these episodes are things that happen to, you know, people in school.
[01:22:00]  Sure.
[01:22:00]  Like, there are difficulties you have with adolescence and growing up.
[01:22:03]  Of course.
[01:22:04]  But this cast of kids, everything happens to them.
[01:22:08]  And that's not likely.
[01:22:10]  It's a bit a little outside of the norm.
[01:22:13]  Yeah.
[01:22:13]  And I always was like, wow, these kids are lucky and unlucky.
[01:22:17]  It's just nuts.
[01:22:19]  And I feel the same way about Alex.
[01:22:21]  Like, yeah, like, it's possible that you're in a car and you survive a tornado throwing you into a tree.
[01:22:27]  Sure.
[01:22:27]  But add that to all the other fucking nonsense things that have happened in your life.
[01:22:31]  Does everything happen to him?
[01:22:33]  I mean, it does seem like he's living in a never-ending the days of our lives episode where everybody has an evil twin and shit's going crazy on the shit.
[01:22:42]  No, no, no.
[01:22:42]  It's passions because there's witches involved.
[01:22:45]  That's true.
[01:22:45]  There, you're right.
[01:22:46]  You're right.
[01:22:47]  I fucked up.
[01:22:47]  Also, like you brought up before the clip, you notice that we're about to hit a brick wall just after Alex has a really bad piece of personal news.
[01:22:55]  It's almost like he's about to hit a brick wall in the form of really heavy monetary penalties.
[01:22:59]  So he's projecting that feeling of imminent trouble onto the audience.
[01:23:02]  He's basically just lashing out at them and trying to make them feel the same bad things he's feeling.
[01:23:07]  Yeah.
[01:23:07]  And it's childish.

=== Tromethamine: Replacing Saline? (04:55) ===

[01:23:09]  Yep.
[01:23:10]  Nonsense.
[01:23:11]  It's great.
[01:23:11]  So he talks a bit about the case, like just the same sort of stuff.
[01:23:15]  Like, I'm being set up.
[01:23:17]  Sure, sure.
[01:23:18]  I didn't really lose that kind of stuff at the beginning of the episode.
[01:23:21]  And I was like, just get to some meat.
[01:23:23]  Right.
[01:23:23]  Just give me something.
[01:23:24]  So he's got a story here about a new Pfizer vaccine formula.
[01:23:31]  We live in a country run by the United Nations and absolutely ruthless private families.
[01:23:39]  And I have even NBC News and others reporting that, okay, it's true.
[01:23:47]  There is a heart attack drug being added to the children's vaccine, but it's not for heart problems.
[01:23:52]  It's as a base to the shot.
[01:23:57]  And you go research, it has nothing to do with being a base.
[01:23:59]  It's not saline water.
[01:24:01]  Oh my God, no.
[01:24:02]  So they just slip that in that, oh, we're going to start adding a heart attack drug to the vaccine.
[01:24:07]  And then they just come out and say, oh, no, listen to the conspiracy theorist.
[01:24:11]  They're right about us adding the heart attack drug, but it has nothing to do with heart attacks.
[01:24:16]  We just don't put saline in the shots anymore.
[01:24:18]  This is a bunch of bullshit.
[01:24:19]  Yep.
[01:24:19]  So the drug in question here is tromethamine, and it's being put into the Pfizer vaccines.
[01:24:24]  That's definitely true, but it's not related to heart attacks.
[01:24:27]  And the explanation of replacing saline, it's a little more complicated than Alex is making it seem.
[01:24:33]  For one thing, tromethamine has been an ingredient in the Moderna vaccine all along, and the reason is really straightforward.
[01:24:39]  Tromethamine is a very effective preservative, and it helps increase drugs' shelf life.
[01:24:45]  This is actually a really big deal because one of the arguments that Pfizer has made about being unable to send their vaccine to many parts of the developing world is that it has, as Reuters put it, a quote, strict storage requirement at ultra-low temperatures, which this will help address.
[01:24:59]  Tromethamine is used as a stabilizing ingredient in many vaccines and even humolog, a diabetes medication.
[01:25:07]  Reuters notes that it's also used as a stabilizer in many fragrances and cosmetic products.
[01:25:12]  Oh, fun.
[01:25:13]  As for the part about replacing saline, it's not that it's replacing saline solution the way that Alex is sort of implying.
[01:25:20]  That saline is just salt and water.
[01:25:22]  And, you know, it can help used to clean wounds or reduce dehydration.
[01:25:26]  The saline that's being replaced by the tromethamine is phosphate-buffered saline, which is a very different thing that has a very different effect from the standard saline solutions.
[01:25:36]  Phosphate-buffered saline has disodium hydrogen phosphate added to it, and this has the effect of helping stabilize the pH level of a solution that it's added to.
[01:25:46]  However, for the needs of this vaccine, tromethamine can do what PBS can do and then some, so it makes more sense to switch that up.
[01:25:53]  Yeah.
[01:25:54]  The thing about this being a heart attack drug is also kind of dubious, the tromethamine itself.
[01:26:00]  Tromethamine isn't a drug really that you'd give to someone to effectively reduce their risk of having a heart attack.
[01:26:06]  The primary connection between this drug and cardiac issues is that tromethamine is used to treat metabolic acidosis, which is a common side effect that someone may experience if they're having cardiopulmonary bypass surgery.
[01:26:20]  It's not that tromethamine addresses the heart attack.
[01:26:23]  It's used to deal with a common side effect of the bypass surgery itself.
[01:26:27]  In the interest of total fairness, it is true that a small amount of heart attacks are thought to possibly be due to metabolic acidosis, but the causal link is a little bit iffy, and there's an important qualifier.
[01:26:38]  Tromethamine doesn't really help with heart attacks per se.
[01:26:41]  It just helps with metabolic acidosis, which is a condition where a person's body is too acidic or where the kidneys can't filter the acids in the body quickly enough to keep the acid base level in check.
[01:26:51]  Typically, this connection between metabolic acidosis and a person having a heart attack is seen in the elderly who are experiencing difficulty with other organs like the kidney.
[01:27:01]  And generally, the situation is that someone has late-stage chronic kidney disease.
[01:27:06]  So it's not really relevant to the story that Alex is trying to do.
[01:27:11]  Sure, sure, sure, sure, yeah.
[01:27:12]  Also, let's not forget that this doesn't even work as a conspiracy theory for Alex.
[01:27:17]  The point of the globalist plans with the vaccine is supposed to be to kill everyone off.
[01:27:21]  So what sense does it make for them to create a vaccine that gives people heart attacks and then change the formula to include something that would stop people from having heart attacks?
[01:27:28]  Did they like change their mind?
[01:27:29]  What the fuck are we doing?
[01:27:32]  So it's going to kill everybody between anywhere from two weeks to five years.
[01:27:40]  About two weeks to 100 years.
[01:27:42]  Yes, but everyone will die.
[01:27:43]  Yeah.
[01:27:44]  And it will be the vaccine.
[01:27:45]  It will be the vaccine.
[01:27:47]  And so now, the globalist plan, after having already succeeded, as Alex has said.

=== Stephanie Ruhl's Pay (08:32) ===

[01:27:54]  Uh, I mean...
[01:27:56]  Right?
[01:27:57]  Everybody who's already taken the vaccine is going to die soon.
[01:27:59]  If you believe him, then yes, they have effectively put heart attack bombs in everybody.
[01:28:05]  Okay, so then why what would I mean so that you don't need a new formula?
[01:28:13]  Nope.
[01:28:15]  But it does address some of the issues of stability of the vaccine itself.
[01:28:20]  Oh, so that's a better murder vaccine.
[01:28:23]  I guess.
[01:28:24]  I guess that might be the way this.
[01:28:26]  That's what you say, right?
[01:28:28]  They made it more weaponized?
[01:28:30]  I guess you stumbled on to possibly a way that you could twist this for a conspiracy.
[01:28:35]  They're trying to make it more shelf-stable so it can be given to more parts of the world to give heart attacks to more people.
[01:28:41]  But Alex is going to take that.
[01:28:44]  Alex is not saying that.
[01:28:46]  We've stumbled once again upon a better conspiracy theory.
[01:28:49]  Oh, well.
[01:28:49]  Damn it.
[01:28:50]  So Alex is mad about an NBC or MSNBC anchor named Stephanie Rule because she made some comments about how Americans can pay for inflation affected products.
[01:29:05]  It was a little bit tone deaf, but Alex is a little bit off base here, too.
[01:29:10]  Let's play a clip of NBC anchor Stephanie Rule.
[01:29:15]  Hey guys, look up how much she gets paid.
[01:29:17]  Hell, I'll do it.
[01:29:18]  Let's look up how much she's paid.
[01:29:20]  What's the salary of NBC anchor Stephanie R-U-H-L-E?
[01:29:25]  I was asking that yesterday.
[01:29:26]  I don't know if we ever got an answer on that.
[01:29:28]  Let me just do it right now.
[01:29:30]  What's her salary at NBC News?
[01:29:32]  Because she's, I bet, paid a couple million dollars a year or more.
[01:29:35]  She's one of the main anchors.
[01:29:36]  Hell, she might have paid $5 million a year, $10 million a year.
[01:29:38]  Some of those people are.
[01:29:40]  And she's sitting there telling you that you're getting $40,000 a year as a single mother.
[01:29:46]  You just need to learn that you've had it too well.
[01:29:49]  So Stephanie Ruhl absolutely doesn't make millions a year at NBC, although I'm sure she does fine.
[01:29:55]  If Alex wants to talk about how she's really rich, he should.
[01:29:58]  But it's not so much about her salary from NBC.
[01:30:00]  It should be a conversation of her activity in the world of hedge funds, which I'm pretty sure brought in way more money than anything that she's done on NBC.
[01:30:09]  Ah, so she worked at hedge funds and run some hedge funds.
[01:30:15]  She ran some hedge funds.
[01:30:16]  Yeah.
[01:30:16]  And now she's on TV.
[01:30:17]  Yeah, she's on MSNBC as well.
[01:30:19]  And she told everybody, just pay for stuff.
[01:30:23]  Yeah.
[01:30:24]  She did say that average Americans can afford to handle inflation.
[01:30:27]  And while she's probably right about most of the people in her circle, that came off as a painfully unaware statement.
[01:30:33]  She's gotten a lot of backlash, and rightfully so.
[01:30:35]  I'm not sure that her making dumb comments on NBC is really the hard-hitting news that Alex likes to imagine he covers, but I don't know.
[01:30:43]  I'd probably just leave this alone with him and deal with the more pressing issue, like everyone's dying.
[01:30:48]  Yeah, I mean, you know, in my book, fuck her, of course.
[01:30:52]  Sure.
[01:30:53]  But also, like, on our list of shit to deal with, she's way low down.
[01:30:58]  It doesn't really rank unless you're just trying to engage with the attention economy.
[01:31:03]  Yeah, if you're just bored for the day, then you can engage and get some points off of that, and then it's all forgotten the next day.
[01:31:09]  So who fucking cares?
[01:31:10]  Yeah, I mean, I think that there is a conversation to be had about like people in the like, especially on the 24-hour news networks, people say stupid shit on there all the time.
[01:31:20]  Yeah.
[01:31:21]  And maybe doing a better job in terms of some of that.
[01:31:24]  Yeah, totally.
[01:31:25]  But I don't think that you get any closer to achieving that by talking about the individual instances and making a big deal out of the individual times people say stupid shit.
[01:31:36]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:31:37]  I don't know.
[01:31:38]  I might be wrong in that, but it seems mighty trivial for something that Alex compared to what he likes to think he does.
[01:31:46]  I mean, the idea of, you know, like TV news requires a top-down rewrite.
[01:31:53]  All up from like page one.
[01:31:56]  Get fucking rid of it and then start over.
[01:31:59]  So what one of them does, I really don't care about, you know?
[01:32:02]  Yeah, I hate to be, I mean, we can never really go back, I don't think, but I don't think that 24-hour news channels are really appropriate.
[01:32:11]  No, they're bad.
[01:32:13]  But I don't know what you do.
[01:32:14]  Anyway, Alex is convinced that this Stephanie Rule makes millions.
[01:32:18]  Of course.
[01:32:18]  She's paid $5 million.
[01:32:20]  The average salary at MSNBC is $152,000 a year, but she estimated to have a net worth of $5 million and that she's paid $2 million a year.
[01:32:37]  So I guessed it correctly.
[01:32:38]  I said probably $1 or $2 million a year.
[01:32:40]  Okay, so there you go.
[01:32:43]  So according to PayScale, the average salary for news anchors at NBC is $69,317, with the high range being $110,000.
[01:32:53]  No one has presented a shred of evidence to prove that she makes 18 times the high end of the salary range, but that's the salary that's listed for her on one of those very sketchy celebrity net worth type sites.
[01:33:04]  Sure.
[01:33:05]  The $2 million is the figure that you'll get from Legit is the name of the website.
[01:33:09]  It's run out of Nigeria.
[01:33:12]  Most likely, Alex chose this one because all the other sites that you can find, they cite significantly lower salaries for her.
[01:33:19]  And it just doesn't work for the point that he's trying to make.
[01:33:22]  A lot of them have figures like $200,000 a year.
[01:33:26]  Alex is just talking shit about this $2 million a year nonsense.
[01:33:28]  And I think part of the reason that he thinks that this is even within the realm of possibility might be that he makes millions a year.
[01:33:35]  There you go.
[01:33:35]  So he assumes everyone else does too.
[01:33:37]  They must.
[01:33:38]  I'm on media and I make millions of dollars a year.
[01:33:41]  Yeah.
[01:33:42]  So assumably.
[01:33:43]  That's just a guess on my part, but it's funny to think that he's doing this story about how out of touch Stephanie Ruhl is, and he might be just exposing how out of touch he is.
[01:33:51]  Yeah.
[01:33:51]  It's as per usual.
[01:33:55]  So anyway, Wapo, The Washington Post, they're out of line.
[01:34:00]  They're out of line, man.
[01:34:01]  I agree.
[01:34:02]  Here's another one: Washington Post and MSNBC both call for banning Republicans.
[01:34:10]  You're not allowed to be a Republican or setting up rules that will prohibit media outlets referring to anyone who is a Republican as normal.
[01:34:21]  He must have a noob politically correct preface like calling me a conspiracy theorist.
[01:34:28]  If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, we're just months removed from Alex going on an extended campaign pushing for the outlawing of the Democratic Party.
[01:34:36]  Correct.
[01:34:36]  Even if the Washington Post said the things he's saying, it's kind of childish for him to have this response to it.
[01:34:41]  He's just like, they're just doing what I did.
[01:34:43]  Yeah.
[01:34:44]  They didn't do that.
[01:34:46]  So you're just mad about Jennifer Rubin going on an MSNBC show and saying that there should be rules where news outlets shouldn't be able to call Republicans normal anymore.
[01:34:54]  It's not normal politics or whatever.
[01:34:55]  Sure, sure.
[01:34:56]  This is a far cry from Alex literally advocating for the outlawing of the Democratic Party on multiple occasions.
[01:35:02]  And again, such a trivial story to be spending time on.
[01:35:05]  At times, it feels like his show is just a grouchy old man who gets mad at cable news and he wants to yell about it.
[01:35:11]  Yeah, that does sound about right.
[01:35:13]  He's got a Mickey Rooney vibe to him now.
[01:35:15]  He's just sitting on his reclining chair with a glass of scotch sitting there.
[01:35:19]  He's like, I'm mad at the ladies on TV news.
[01:35:22]  Here's what's bothering me today.
[01:35:24]  Yeah.
[01:35:26]  Jennifer Rubin said something I don't like.
[01:35:28]  I mean, but if one day we just woke up and you were about to listen to the show and all of a sudden you just heard, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, and Alex came out and was like, I hate book bags on the train.
[01:35:42]  It'd be the best day of my life.
[01:35:44]  I don't know if I would enjoy that.
[01:35:45]  I think I would lose interest in it pretty quick.
[01:35:47]  That's fair.
[01:35:48]  So Alex has buddies in the real media.
[01:35:51]  Does he?
[01:35:52]  Yeah.
[01:35:52]  Okay.
[01:35:52]  And they've been getting in contact with him today.
[01:35:55]  Interesting.
[01:35:55]  You know, I have a lot of people I know, a lot of great people, a lot of good people texting me right now.
[01:36:00]  One of them is a very well-known podcaster just during the break.
[01:36:03]  He was asking, hey, we know the inside baseball on this.
[01:36:07]  You should respond to the big national news story that they're pumping out on every channel, every newspaper from Japan to Germany to the United States.

=== Judge's Abuse of Discretion (05:11) ===

[01:36:15]  You know, tens of thousands of articles are being posted.
[01:36:18]  Alex Jones found guilty by judge.
[01:36:24]  That's a judge totally abusing their discretion, absolutely engaging in what I would say is fraud.
[01:36:31]  So yeah, Rogan wants a statement, I guess.
[01:36:33]  Yeah, I suppose.
[01:36:34]  Maybe Tim Poole, because Alex has Tim Poole.
[01:36:37]  Tim Poole is in town.
[01:36:40]  We know the truth.
[01:36:42]  Imagine.
[01:36:42]  Inside baseball.
[01:36:43]  Imagine.
[01:36:44]  How sad would that be?
[01:36:45]  Quite.
[01:36:46]  Ouch.
[01:36:47]  So, yeah, Alex is, you know, he's getting jammed up.
[01:36:50]  Judge committed fraud.
[01:36:51]  Now, when we talked to Mark, Bankston, one of the things that we discussed was the bank records and the way Alex saw fit to have an accountant clean them up a little bit.
[01:37:04]  They needed to be a little bunched up a little bit in the right areas.
[01:37:08]  So here's Alex talking about that.
[01:37:11]  They defaulted us mainly for saying that the accounting firm, it's a well-known, respected accounting firm, gave them, they demanded our financial records, which you wouldn't think you'd get in a civil defamation case.
[01:37:25]  It shouldn't be about what I said or did.
[01:37:28]  And so I said, no, just give it to them.
[01:37:29]  They're planning to default us, and I want to make them do it all the way.
[01:37:32]  And then they just said, this isn't your real finances.
[01:37:35]  And we said, well, you can't prove a negative.
[01:37:37]  I mean, it is.
[01:37:40]  And they said, well, it's not a QuickBooks file.
[01:37:45]  It's a spreadsheet.
[01:37:47]  And I talked to like four accountants, different accounting firms about this.
[01:37:51]  And they said, this is fraud.
[01:37:53]  And we talked about this.
[01:37:55]  Yeah, you can't give somebody a QuickBook account because a QuickBook account's a database.
[01:38:01]  It goes back to the beginning of our QuickBooks over 20 years ago.
[01:38:06]  They said from this date to that date, so what you do is you take it out and put it into a spreadsheet.
[01:38:11]  That's what I'm defaulted for, is a spreadsheet scan of every transaction at this company.
[01:38:19]  And you think that's outrageous that you would even let them do that.
[01:38:22]  Folks, they were always going to default us.
[01:38:26]  And they're always going to do it at the appeals court level, too.
[01:38:29]  I've known that.
[01:38:30]  I'm just going to illustrate the whole thing for everybody.
[01:38:33]  And then that gives us the time to, you know, to move forward fighting the globalists.
[01:38:37]  I mean, it's, it's, this is not my battle.
[01:38:40]  This is not my war.
[01:38:41]  This is kind of like a rabid chihuahua that has rabies is biting me in the leg.
[01:38:51]  And I've got a pack of wolves tearing my children apart.
[01:38:56]  That's the allegory.
[01:38:57]  I've got real wolves, not the chihuahua chewing on my leg.
[01:39:02]  I get rabies shots later.
[01:39:04]  So you have to triage things like this.
[01:39:07]  That's a little bit of confusing.
[01:39:09]  I guess I understand the point of his metaphor.
[01:39:12]  Somebody needs to call QuickBooks because, I mean, obviously they had this massive oversight where you can't choose what dates you want to print out the files from.
[01:39:20]  You know, like there's no way.
[01:39:22]  You can only, when you go into the QuickBooks software, you can only download all of your finances or none.
[01:39:29]  Yeah, old man QuickBooks was really specific about this.
[01:39:34]  I don't like half-stepping.
[01:39:36]  No, Don't give me this what file from date to date.
[01:39:41]  I'm QuickBooks, and that's not how it's happening.
[01:39:44]  I insist that I, my software is only used for the entire history of a company or nothing.
[01:39:52]  We're QuickBooks, and it's going to take a while to download your files.
[01:39:56]  There's a part of me that legitimately thinks, like, maybe Alex doesn't use QuickBooks.
[01:40:01]  Or maybe he doesn't.
[01:40:03]  Like, maybe the issue is that his finances are on sheets of paper or something.
[01:40:09]  Like, maybe, maybe that's why he can't produce it.
[01:40:13]  If you walked into his office and there was just a big gallon drum of receipts, you'd be like, well, I mean, that makes sense.
[01:40:22]  Yeah.
[01:40:22]  I mean, his dad was the HR representative.
[01:40:25]  Right, right.
[01:40:26]  Who knows?
[01:40:26]  Like, maybe his nephew is the accountant.
[01:40:29]  Everyone gets paid in bullion.
[01:40:31]  Yeah.
[01:40:32]  Yeah.
[01:40:32]  Who fucking knows?
[01:40:33]  Yeah.
[01:40:34]  It's strange.
[01:40:35]  Also, the attempt to be like, I'm not even mad about this is real funny.
[01:40:44]  It's so strange.
[01:40:45]  We've hit a massive roadblock and everybody's going to die.
[01:40:49]  I'm not upset.
[01:40:50]  All right.
[01:40:50]  And you know what?
[01:40:51]  I never actually even really cared about these lawsuits.
[01:40:55]  It's not a big deal.
[01:40:56]  This is essentially the same thing that happened with the Hamdi Ulakaya.
[01:41:01]  The Chibani lawsuits where Alex is like, I will defend this.
[01:41:04]  Die.

=== Separately Teaching the Tip Spear (05:59) ===

[01:41:05]  I will die or be proven right.
[01:41:07]  Hey, look, I want to give an apology.
[01:41:09]  It's blustery nonsense until there's a decision.
[01:41:13]  And then once he loses or is going to lose, it's a turning tail and being like, I didn't really care about that at all.
[01:41:19]  No, big point.
[01:41:20]  It wasn't important.
[01:41:20]  Nah, come on.
[01:41:21]  But also, the country is gone.
[01:41:23]  Sure.
[01:41:24]  A lot of people are asking me to respond to this.
[01:41:26]  I learned about this 20 months before I went on air.
[01:41:29]  And quite frankly, I've got all this incredible news that needs to be covered.
[01:41:32]  And I just, I really think that what's happening to me and the InfoWars.
[01:41:41]  I mean, I know it's a symptom of the disease of globalism and the disease of corruption and decadence in this country and in the world in general.
[01:41:49]  And really of the end of the country as we know it.
[01:41:53]  Now, it can be rebooted, hopefully, but the country, for all intents and purposes, is gone.
[01:41:57]  This is modern warfare we're under, and the country itself's being bankrupted and dissolved.
[01:42:02]  Sure.
[01:42:03]  And if I spend my time tactically talking to HBO or talking to the Wall Street Journal or running around trying to defend myself from the fake things they've launched against me, we're going to lose the whole country and the planet.
[01:42:22]  So the implication of what Alex is saying is that if he doesn't stay focused on the work that he's doing, the very specific work that he's doing, all hope for the planet is lost.
[01:42:32]  Yes.
[01:42:33]  This is such narcissistic garbage.
[01:42:35]  No, no.
[01:42:36]  Dan, this is a rational, clear-eyed understanding of the current circumstances.
[01:42:44]  If you put all of the math together, get the order of operations worked out right, it all cancels out until you get one man.
[01:42:52]  Look, I mean, the world will disappear and everything will fall apart if Alex doesn't interview with Vice.
[01:42:59]  Meanwhile, he'll go get drunk on a rogue sparkle.
[01:43:02]  We're at the place where if he closes his eyes, I imagine he thinks everyone's dead.
[01:43:08]  Like every time he does not understand object permanently, no object permanence whatsoever.
[01:43:12]  It's possible.
[01:43:13]  Just complete everything is predicated upon whether or not I see it.
[01:43:17]  The end.
[01:43:18]  Yeah.
[01:43:20]  I like that, though, in terms of like it's such an illustration of narcissism.
[01:43:27]  Oh, I mean, it's if I stop for a second to address the fact that I just lost these cases, if I give a comment to a media outlet about this, we will lose the world.
[01:43:41]  All right.
[01:43:42]  Yeah.
[01:43:42]  All right, bro.
[01:43:43]  Yeah, I mean, it's fun that, like, default judgments, you know, as we talked about with Mark the first time, you know, they were like, this is exceedingly rare and they only use, they only really teach these in schools.
[01:43:57]  You know, now we've got Alex as an example to teach in law school.
[01:44:01]  Why not remember that in psychiatry school, they're going to use Alex as a narcissism example as well.
[01:44:09]  He's going to be taught in a lot of different schools.
[01:44:12]  Sure.
[01:44:13]  Very exciting.
[01:44:13]  Yeah.
[01:44:14]  He might be taught in a rambling school, too, if there ever is such a thing, because he starts talking about...
[01:44:20]  Didn't Barry Weiss start that?
[01:44:21]  Yeah, I think so.
[01:44:21]  I think it's awesome.
[01:44:22]  Alex could teach the fight.
[01:44:25]  Because here he does a professional ramble about how we have to stay in the quiet place of the Most High.
[01:44:30]  So now they're trying to outlaw their political opposition.
[01:44:33]  Like you wanted to.
[01:44:34]  And you say, oh, well, they'll never get away with that.
[01:44:36]  Really?
[01:44:37]  Really?
[01:44:39]  They are getting away with all of it, but separately.
[01:44:42]  Let me tell you how you can fight back against this because we're very close to winning.
[01:44:46]  And the globalists see InfoWars as the tip of the spear and rightfully so.
[01:44:49]  And I'm very proud to be the tip of the spear.
[01:44:52]  And I'm very honored to be in this position because I want to be a champion for liberty.
[01:44:58]  I want to be a champion for freedom.
[01:44:59]  I asked to get in the arena.
[01:45:02]  And I asked for this fight.
[01:45:04]  And I expect a lot more to happen.
[01:45:07]  But I also know in the end these evildoers will be punished, will be defeated across the board.
[01:45:12]  I know they're going to stage false flags and try to blame me for them and others.
[01:45:17]  They already have, like January 6th.
[01:45:20]  And I understand that somebody's got to not be a coward and stand up to these people.
[01:45:25]  So I'm doing it.
[01:45:26]  All I ask is that you pray for us and you spread the word about the broadcast and you financially support us so we can go into this fight strong and give it our 110%.
[01:45:37]  So please pray for InfoWars.
[01:45:38]  Please pray for me.
[01:45:39]  Please pray for my family.
[01:45:41]  And please pray that I be given focus and clarity and a calm, steady heart and mind and hand.
[01:45:47]  And then I be kept in the high place.
[01:45:52]  What?
[01:45:53]  The quiet place that King David talked about of the Most High.
[01:45:57]  That King David talked about in Psalms.
[01:46:00]  The quiet, still place of the Most High.
[01:46:03]  You're doing great on this one.
[01:46:05]  That is the place we need to be calm, focused, understanding, and just moving forward against this evil.
[01:46:14]  Separately, today is the last day to get straw on free shipping and double Patriot points.
[01:46:21]  Separately.
[01:46:22]  Completely separate, unrelated, entirely.
[01:46:25]  Amazing.
[01:46:26]  That shift is just professional.
[01:46:29]  Wow.
[01:46:30]  I would ask that you pray that God keep me in the place of the most high.
[01:46:33]  Also, free shipping is a good.
[01:46:35]  I mean, God.
[01:46:39]  Just that.
[01:46:40]  You know how much I hate commerce and religion pushed together and the way that he combines the two of them.
[01:46:47]  So good.

=== Mike Flynn's Thoughts (06:56) ===

[01:46:49]  A prosperity gospel teacher.
[01:46:50]  Well, it's so transparent to you and I and many other people the strategy that's being employed here.
[01:46:57]  But at the same time, like he's consistently done it for years.
[01:47:01]  Sure.
[01:47:02]  So it must be effective.
[01:47:04]  Wow.
[01:47:04]  There must be some success.
[01:47:07]  How many different prosperity gospels own more than one jet?
[01:47:11]  It's a very successful way to do things.
[01:47:13]  Yeah, I guess so.
[01:47:13]  People like to hear lies, especially if God is telling them.
[01:47:17]  Yeah.
[01:47:17]  Oh, boy.
[01:47:19]  So Alex went to San Antonio recently, and he got himself an interview with Mike Flynn.
[01:47:26]  General Mike Flynn.
[01:47:27]  Wow.
[01:47:29]  Tough to get.
[01:47:29]  Oh, yeah.
[01:47:30]  He was real busy.
[01:47:33]  Yeah.
[01:47:33]  He's on the phone with NBC all the time.
[01:47:36]  So at this point, he hasn't aired that interview.
[01:47:40]  And even like as we're talking right now, I don't believe he's put out any of it.
[01:47:44]  But he has some thoughts about this old General Flynn.
[01:47:47]  Interesting.
[01:47:48]  All right, let me just say this right now.
[01:47:51]  I got an interview with General Flynn Saturday down in San Antonio, and he was speaking to a crowd of 5,000 people at a big event being held at Cornerstone Church, Pastor Hage's Church.
[01:48:04]  And I really respected and liked the general a long time ago, but I didn't know him, and I've gotten to know him the last few years.
[01:48:11]  And I've gotten a chance to see him as he's basically gotten accustomed to being a civilian leader.
[01:48:20]  And I think he's a great guy and the type of person that can be George Washington 2.0.
[01:48:25]  And I, quite frankly, think he's better suited than somebody like Trump because he understands it's a globalist New World Order operation.
[01:48:35]  Quit.
[01:48:35]  Just quit.
[01:48:36]  Just quit.
[01:48:38]  You want to do this again, Alex?
[01:48:40]  Really?
[01:48:41]  Also, didn't we hate Flynn for a while?
[01:48:43]  I don't know.
[01:48:44]  I don't think so.
[01:48:45]  Because Flynn's a huge Q guy.
[01:48:48]  But Alex pretends he's not.
[01:48:49]  Oh.
[01:48:50]  And so does.
[01:48:51]  And so does Flynn.
[01:48:52]  That's fair.
[01:48:52]  That is fair.
[01:48:53]  Yeah, no, I think Mike Flynn's one of them that Alex has been pretty on board with for the most part.
[01:49:00]  I think possibly when there was a chance that it looked like he was flipping on Trump.
[01:49:05]  Oh, that might be what I'm remembering.
[01:49:07]  I think there might have been a little stretch where Alex was at least not into him, but he likes Flynn.
[01:49:13]  Okay.
[01:49:13]  Fine.
[01:49:14]  Now, I think I actually agree with Alex that Flynn could be another George Washington, but from my perspective, it's the dark version of our first president.
[01:49:22]  Flynn made some comments that we're going to get into later when he was speaking at the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio over just before this.
[01:49:29]  But it's also important to note that this was part, it wasn't just like a speech at a church.
[01:49:34]  It was part of the fairly QAnon-leaning Reawaken America tour.
[01:49:38]  Other speakers included Mike Lindell, Roger Stone, the Q Patriot Street Fighter, former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne, and of course, Stella Emmanuel, the Ivermectin doctor who believes that we're living in Revelation and also has a promo code on her website so Alex's listeners can get 5% off their drug purchases.
[01:49:56]  It's very nice of her to do.
[01:49:57]  These creeps and weirdos were advertised speakers, but strangely missing from that advertisement was Alex, though he did get a speaking slot at the event.
[01:50:06]  No shit.
[01:50:07]  No shit.
[01:50:08]  God damn it.
[01:50:09]  So either he was a surprise guest or they thought like we can't put him on the poster.
[01:50:15]  Right.
[01:50:15]  It's too much heat.
[01:50:17]  See, that's that, I think that's unjust.
[01:50:21]  I do.
[01:50:22]  I genuinely am mad about that, that they are ostracizing Alex compared to those murderers of idiots.
[01:50:31]  Like, what are we talking about?
[01:50:33]  But that's only based on the assumption that Alex didn't just show up and then they're like, oh, we'll give you a shift.
[01:50:38]  We're letting the Q Patriot Street Fighter talk.
[01:50:40]  Totally, totally.
[01:50:41]  He can have five.
[01:50:42]  I'm sure he could have five if he wanted.
[01:50:43]  Yeah, so maybe it wasn't an omission from the poster based on like, we don't want to show you each year.
[01:50:48]  It might just be that he was an unplanned speech.
[01:50:52]  But yeah, the clip I saw of his speech was mostly what you'd expect.
[01:50:55]  It's just meaningless platitudes about how his enemies work for the literal devil.
[01:50:59]  Sure.
[01:50:59]  How this is the most important time in human history.
[01:51:01]  Never been more important.
[01:51:02]  Now, as for General Flynn, his speech was a little more interesting.
[01:51:06]  There were many news stories covering how he said, quote, if we're going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion, one nation under God, and one religion under God.
[01:51:17]  As the founders wrote in the Constitution, Dan.
[01:51:21]  Yeah, it's so fucked up, I don't really even know how to engage with it.
[01:51:24]  Like, these are the people gathering who yell about the Constitution all the time, and they're here worshiping a lunatic ex-general who's advocating something in direct opposition to the First Amendment.
[01:51:35]  What I think we should do is our constitutional duty, which, of course, is to overthrow the United States government and turn this into theocracy, just like the founders intended when they wrote that constitution that specifically outlawed that.
[01:51:49]  Yeah, some of his other comments were also a little bit fucked up, or at least like, what are you talking about?
[01:51:55]  And he also, in this, I don't have any clips of it, but here's a passage where he implies that America was the last hope for the world.
[01:52:02]  There's a time, and you have to believe this, that Almighty God is like involved in this country because this is it.
[01:52:09]  This is it.
[01:52:10]  This is the last place on earth.
[01:52:12]  This is the shining city on the hill.
[01:52:15]  This is the city on the hill.
[01:52:16]  The city on the hill.
[01:52:17]  The city on the hill was mentioned in Matthew, okay?
[01:52:20]  It was mentioned in Matthew.
[01:52:21]  And then this guy by the name of Winthrop mentioned it again in 1630, in 1630, okay, before the country was formed.
[01:52:29]  Just because several hundred years after Winthrop said that, Reagan said it.
[01:52:35]  Yeah.
[01:52:35]  So now Flynn is assuming that.
[01:52:38]  That was actually.
[01:52:38]  Yeah, he goes on to mention that Reagan said it, and it's sort of part of the connection.
[01:52:41]  Right, right, right.
[01:52:42]  But Reagan was just...
[01:52:44]  Okay.
[01:52:45]  Anyway, my point is that based on his stated beliefs and the way the QAnon and the other right-wing communities respond to him, Flynn does have the potential to be there, George Washington, the first president of the fundamentalist Christian nationalist dictatorship they so desperately want to be.
[01:53:00]  Yeah, that's wild.
[01:53:01]  Yep.
[01:53:02]  Look out for that.
[01:53:03]  I really am blown away that these people with the Constitution in their fucking pockets are looking up at General Flynn say obvious bullshit about nothing and thinking, I want to overthrow democracy for that.
[01:53:19]  That's what I want.
[01:53:20]  Yeah.
[01:53:20]  Wow.
[01:53:21]  So the globalists control pretty much everything.
[01:53:23]  Sure.
[01:53:24]  Because if you just define their globalists as anybody you don't like, then you can say that they have both houses of Congress.
[01:53:30]  They've got it all.

=== Eight-Year-Old Shames School Board (08:52) ===

[01:53:31]  They've got the presidency.
[01:53:32]  But you know what they don't have?
[01:53:33]  They don't have the minds of the people.
[01:53:36]  The globalists have the executive branch.
[01:53:37]  They have the Congress, they have most of the courts, and they have most of the cities, but they don't have the people that live in those cities.
[01:53:46]  They've maintained their control through election fraud, and they know that.
[01:53:51]  Victory.
[01:53:52]  Florida School District ends mask mandate after eight-year-old girl told them they should be in prison.
[01:54:00]  Palm Beach County School District has ended a mask mandate just days after a second-grade girl told school board officials they should all rot in jail for forcing children to wear face coverings against their will.
[01:54:13]  This is a fun story, and I can see how Alex would want to present the idea that this second grader shamed a school board, and that's the impetus to stop a mask mandate in this Palm Beach County schools, but that's just not true.
[01:54:23]  And the children will lead you, Dan.
[01:54:25]  The state of Florida's Department of Health had released an order that prohibited schools from having mask mandates unless parents could opt out of them.
[01:54:33]  This school district, however, decided to go against that order.
[01:54:36]  The second grader Alex is talking about is the daughter of a woman named Bailey Lachells, and for about two months, she'd been suspended for refusing to wear a mask at school.
[01:54:44]  Ultimately, it wasn't her activism or the mom having her eight-year-old daughter go on Fox News shows that ended the school district's mask mandate.
[01:54:52]  The decision was based on a court ruling that was made that determined that the school district was in violation of the Department of Health's order and the fact that children could now be vaccinated and that local COVID rates had fallen dramatically since that decision was made to not let parents opt out of children wearing masks.
[01:55:11]  It's fun to imagine that a second grader yelled at a school board and they were so taken aback by the truth she was spitting at them that they cowered and stopped requiring masks, but that's just not true.
[01:55:20]  I'm going to throw this out here.
[01:55:22]  And this might sound crazy to you.
[01:55:24]  It might.
[01:55:25]  So if a news network is so rabid for any content that reinforces their bullshit that they will grab up anyone anywhere who has fulfilled any part of their narrative and put them on TV.
[01:55:43]  Is it possible, Dan, that might be an incentive for people who want to get on TV?
[01:55:49]  It might be.
[01:55:51]  Or run for Congress.
[01:55:52]  Or run for Congress.
[01:55:53]  It seems like if you just lie about bullshit and there's a TV network.
[01:55:59]  Yeah, Alex does end up playing her speech, this eight-year-old, and I don't really believe she wrote it herself.
[01:56:07]  Oh, yeah?
[01:56:08]  might have i don't know but it's it doesn't strike me as but in these last days i feel the sword of damocles hangs over all of our heads Right.
[01:56:18]  There's stuff that I'm not sure an eight-year-old fully would be able to process, but maybe she can.
[01:56:24]  I don't know.
[01:56:24]  I don't know this kid, but it's a little bit dicey.
[01:56:29]  And me saying that, I know that Alex would come back with something like, what about Greta Thunberg?
[01:56:34]  Sure.
[01:56:35]  And I would say that there's a big difference between a teenager and an eight-year-old.
[01:56:39]  A huge difference.
[01:56:40]  And I don't know if an eight-year-old really should necessarily be on Fox News giving anti-vax stuff.
[01:56:49]  Ooh.
[01:56:49]  Ooh, I would even say that an eight-year-old giving a message of like climate control or climate change awareness.
[01:56:58]  I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that even.
[01:57:01]  Because the kid, it's their parents making the decision.
[01:57:04]  Yeah.
[01:57:04]  Yeah.
[01:57:05]  I would say an eight-year-old saying something like, I hope that the world is better.
[01:57:12]  That's totally great.
[01:57:13]  But that's vague.
[01:57:14]  Very vague.
[01:57:15]  That's vague.
[01:57:15]  That's fine.
[01:57:16]  Because an eight-year-old would want to keep it vague.
[01:57:18]  An eight-year-old saying, I hope the world is better is a very inspiring thing.
[01:57:22]  I'm inspired by it right now.
[01:57:23]  Eight-year-old talking about carbon emissions and stuff like that.
[01:57:29]  I don't know what it brings to the table.
[01:57:31]  There is that.
[01:57:31]  Yeah.
[01:57:32]  And so I don't know.
[01:57:33]  I'm just uncomfortable with it.
[01:57:34]  In the same way that I was uncomfortable with that, like, I don't know, 10-year-old.
[01:57:39]  It sounds like you're uncomfortable exploiting children, Dan, and I don't get that.
[01:57:44]  I just don't get it.
[01:57:45]  Now, I only really decided to talk about this at all because what Alex says next.
[01:57:50]  Okay.
[01:57:51]  And Mike down for this because I think Alex is going on a protracted little bit of a ramble about how he's disappointed in his daughter.
[01:57:59]  And I'll just be honest with you.
[01:58:02]  My oldest daughter is a wonderful person.
[01:58:06]  And she wanted to go to public school a few years ago because her friends went there and I let her go.
[01:58:09]  And she's been a good, good young lady.
[01:58:11]  She's about to get out of high school.
[01:58:14]  And she just recently figured out it was all stupid and said she was sick of it because of the mask and all of it.
[01:58:19]  She just wants to go back to private school and graduate.
[01:58:23]  But I let her, you know, have it have the way she wanted it.
[01:58:27]  And she said, I don't want to be like you.
[01:58:30]  I love you.
[01:58:31]  I respect you, but I don't want to confront people and stuff.
[01:58:35]  That's what you do, Dad.
[01:58:36]  And I'm glad you're doing it for us.
[01:58:38]  But she said, you know, I just don't want to go to school anymore since they want to make me wear the mask.
[01:58:44]  I just want to go to private school somewhere where I don't have to.
[01:58:47]  And now that's happening.
[01:58:48]  We got her out a few weeks ago.
[01:58:50]  Now she's going to graduate at a private school that doesn't make you wear a mask.
[01:58:54]  But I understand that she'd want to stand up and fight him.
[01:59:00]  Sometimes your children don't do the things you'd want them to do.
[01:59:03]  Sometimes they don't follow in your footsteps.
[01:59:07]  But I know this young lady is doing exactly what I asked my daughter to do.
[01:59:12]  I said, you need to go in there.
[01:59:13]  You need to get expelled over and over again.
[01:59:15]  We're going to sue them.
[01:59:16]  We're going to stand up.
[01:59:17]  She said, I don't want a grandstand.
[01:59:18]  I said, it's not about grandstanding.
[01:59:20]  I said, it's about not letting them push everybody around.
[01:59:23]  That's what our family does is we lead the attack.
[01:59:27]  But I said, I'm not going to try to make you do it.
[01:59:29]  And she didn't do it.
[01:59:30]  And I'm not putting my daughter down.
[01:59:32]  I'm telling the stories it's true.
[01:59:33]  Oh, God.
[01:59:34]  This is so uncomfortable.
[01:59:36]  This is, oh, God.
[01:59:39]  You know, I would like, I would really, I think the problem with me not having kids is that I don't get the thank you from the kids that I don't have that I didn't later on go tell jokes about them or talk about them on this podcast or something along those lines.
[01:59:56]  You're welcome, unborn children.
[01:59:58]  Yeah, I get a sense that there's a little bit of disappointment on Alex's part that his daughter would not be his proxy in this fight that he wants to have so he could get a lot of attention.
[02:00:13]  Are you telling me that you don't want to go to school, stand up in front of all of your friends and tell them that your dad, Alex Jones, says he thinks that this is all bullshit?
[02:00:24]  You don't want to say that?
[02:00:26]  Why?
[02:00:26]  Why?
[02:00:27]  Give me any reason.
[02:00:29]  You're telling me that at this very delicate moment in the sort of maturation process, you don't want to alienate yourself from literally everybody around you because you're taking a stand publicly for my bullshit.
[02:00:45]  I can't sing.
[02:00:46]  I can't think of any reason why.
[02:00:47]  Yeah.
[02:00:49]  I just, I feel like this is unhealthy.
[02:00:55]  And Alex shouldn't.
[02:00:57]  Dad, I want to go to college.
[02:00:59]  He shouldn't be expressing things that are like, if I was his daughter, I'd be hurt by that.
[02:01:05]  I would be furious.
[02:01:07]  That's awful.
[02:01:08]  That's an awful thing to do to your child.
[02:01:10]  I would have a tough time processing Alex talking about this eight-year-old that he admires and being like, well, that's what I wanted my daughter to do.
[02:01:18]  I mean, that would be tough.
[02:01:20]  That's just so fucking awful.
[02:01:22]  That's awful.
[02:01:23]  That's awful to do to somebody.
[02:01:24]  Yeah.
[02:01:25]  Because then there's the implicit.
[02:01:27]  I mean, and there was always.
[02:01:29]  You're Alex's kid, obviously.
[02:01:31]  But that's a fucking blackmail threat.
[02:01:34]  If you don't do this the next time, guess what?
[02:01:36]  I'm going to go on my show and keep fucking talking about you.
[02:01:39]  Well, I'm not sure if it's a blackmail threat, but it makes it clear that if you don't do the things that I want you to do, there will be disappointment.
[02:01:47]  Exactly.
[02:01:47]  And it's kind of like there's a similarity in it.
[02:01:50]  My love is conditional.
[02:01:51]  There's a similarity in it.
[02:01:52]  Like, if you're a high school basketball player and you're not very good and like you're, you know, you go to a game and the opposing team has a really good player on it, and your dad's like, ah, they're great.
[02:02:04]  I wish that was my son.
[02:02:05]  I love that kid.
[02:02:07]  That kid's great.

=== Dangers of Hydrogen Peroxide (06:25) ===

[02:02:08]  That kid has skills.
[02:02:09]  If they go doing what I keep telling my kid to do.
[02:02:11]  Exactly.
[02:02:12]  It's fucked up.
[02:02:13]  I am taking that kid out for pizza later.
[02:02:15]  None for you, shitbag.
[02:02:17]  That kid gets a slice of pizza.
[02:02:19]  Big one, too.
[02:02:20]  I want to get this eight-year-old on my show, but not my daughter.
[02:02:24]  Anyway, Alex goes to calls, and he takes a call from a guy that has a dangerous perspective.
[02:02:30]  All right, let's go and take another caller.
[02:02:32]  Mike in England, thank you for calling.
[02:02:34]  Welcome to the Airwaves.
[02:02:36]  Hi, Alex.
[02:02:37]  Thank you for taking my call, and praise God.
[02:02:40]  One thing, you talked a lot about X2, but you haven't really told the best truth about it.
[02:02:46]  Do you know a guy named David Bronstein, Dr. David Bronstein?
[02:02:50]  I do.
[02:02:51]  Yeah, he built his clinic on using iodine and hydrogen peroxide.
[02:02:57]  And when you did talk about using nebulized peroxide, it didn't really get across how effective it is.
[02:03:04]  My wife and I were exceedingly sick, and we used X2, two drops of X2, and you have to really cut it down on the peroxide.
[02:03:14]  Recommend the food safe, the food-grade peroxide, 12%, and cut it down like exceedingly light.
[02:03:24]  And every time we use it, it just cleans the lungs, it cleans the sinuses, because that's where the majority of the infection is going to transfer into us, is through the sinuses and then down the throat and then into the lungs.
[02:03:37]  And people just need to know.
[02:03:40]  I think if you interviewed Dr. David Bronstein, it'd be pretty enlightening because his clinic was basically built on that.
[02:03:49]  Well, I mean, I'm fully aware that most people are deficient in iodine, and most iodine is bound to another substance, so it's not really absorbable like it should be in the body.
[02:03:59]  That's why we sell atomic iodine.
[02:04:01]  Good save, good save.
[02:04:02]  Just talk about the iodine.
[02:04:04]  Don't talk about how this guy is basically telling you to inhale bleach.
[02:04:07]  Listen, listen.
[02:04:09]  You want to drink a little bit of acid.
[02:04:12]  You don't want to drink a lot.
[02:04:13]  So one thing that's super important to point out about what this caller is talking about is that food grade hydrogen peroxide is not food.
[02:04:21]  That is a misnomer, and it's just called food grade because it meets the standards to clean things in places where food is packaged and handled.
[02:04:27]  Right.
[02:04:28]  It can also be used in things like bleaching flour.
[02:04:31]  That is also, I guess, as close as we get to food.
[02:04:33]  Right.
[02:04:34]  And cleaning out the lungs.
[02:04:36]  For some context, the type of hydrogen peroxide most people would be getting from the store is 3% hydrogen peroxide.
[02:04:42]  And food grade is 35%.
[02:04:45]  There are some medicinal uses that make some sense, but pretty much all of them are strictly topical applications, like softening corns or disinfecting small cuts.
[02:04:54]  But even in these cases, it's got to be super diluted, which is why the stuff you buy at the store is 3%.
[02:05:01]  I hate that I have to say this, but just because this guy is saying you should nebulize and inhale this bleach cocktail instead of drink it, that doesn't make it any more safe.
[02:05:09]  This definitely can still be toxic, particularly if you mess up your measurements when you're diluting.
[02:05:14]  I would say that Alex has no idea who David Bronstein is, and he was just bluffing when the caller asked.
[02:05:19]  But in this case, he might actually know who that dude is, since one of Alex's anti-vax compatriots, Dr. Mercola, has promoted him in the past.
[02:05:27]  So it's possible that Alex does know, but man, fucked up, fucked up call.
[02:05:33]  Why don't you inhale a bunch of hydrogen peroxide?
[02:05:37]  I'm consistently blown away because the one truth about humanity that has stayed consistent through our entire history is when people feel bad, a lot of them are going to try and solve it with poison.
[02:05:52]  That's a very weird thing that has stayed with us from the very fucking beginning.
[02:05:57]  Yeah.
[02:05:57]  Yeah, but it's kind of like this.
[02:06:00]  Like, cavemen are eating poison ivy because they got a tummy ache or something.
[02:06:04]  You know, it's like that kind of level of shit.
[02:06:06]  This stuff is toxic.
[02:06:08]  On some level, maybe it'll kill the bad stuff.
[02:06:11]  You know?
[02:06:12]  Right.
[02:06:13]  No, I get that the idea of two negatives equaling a positive.
[02:06:17]  I understand that.
[02:06:18]  So I was worried about this caller, but I was even more worried that Alex is kind of into it.
[02:06:23]  And, you know, I've had a lot of medical doctors on.
[02:06:25]  I've had a lot of folks talking about what they would do, how they would help themselves.
[02:06:28]  There's studies out there showing, like you said, highly diluted hydrogen peroxide in distilled water through the nasal cavity.
[02:06:35]  That alone cleans out the virus where it needs a few days to get started and going, colonizing some crystals in your body.
[02:06:43]  It's a nanotech they've released on us.
[02:06:45]  Really a synthetic virus, according to the research.
[02:06:47]  And so, yeah, I mean, we just talk about all this stuff here on air, and we probably should make a bigger deal about it.
[02:06:53]  Please don't.
[02:06:54]  Please don't.
[02:06:55]  I hate that I have to say this, but there are not studies that show that inhaling hydrogen peroxide through your nose clears out COVID before it has a chance to hurt you.
[02:07:02]  Why would anyone do that study?
[02:07:03]  That's just dangerous and really dumb advice.
[02:07:05]  What insane doctor is like, let's do a double blind on that one.
[02:07:09]  Well, there are some ideas that hydrogen peroxide could have an effect when it's used for nasal irrigation or mouthwash, like that type of thing.
[02:07:17]  If it's very diluted, but it's not ingested.
[02:07:20]  Right.
[02:07:21]  There's no compelling evidence or actual studies that show this conclusion, but there's some ideas that it's possible.
[02:07:27]  Even then, doing a nasal rinse with a diluted solution is a bit different than inhaling hydrogen peroxide, which there is no evidence is effective.
[02:07:35]  And in September, actually, the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America released a statement warning people that regardless of what you've seen on social media, do not put hydrogen peroxide in your inhalers.
[02:07:46]  My God.
[02:07:47]  There's a lot of dangers to this and no good evidence showing that it helps at all.
[02:07:50]  So this is definitely something Alex should not be doing.
[02:07:53]  It's like we're living in, like, you've never seen Black Books, but we went and saw Dylan Morn once.
[02:08:00]  You remember the hydrogen?
[02:08:02]  Yeah, you absolutely hated it.
[02:08:04]  One of the worst nights of your life.
[02:08:05]  Famously loved it.
[02:08:07]  Hated it.
[02:08:08]  But in his show, Black Books, there was a moment where he's really, really sick and he's by himself and he looks over at his oven and he sees the oven cleaner and goes, if you can clean an oven, you can clean me.

=== Nuremberg II Hangings (08:43) ===

[02:08:21]  And I feel like that's so much of how people think.
[02:08:24]  Yep.
[02:08:25]  That's basically, I mean, I don't have anything to add.
[02:08:28]  But this caller does, and it's not good.
[02:08:31]  Mike, anything else?
[02:08:33]  Yeah, one thing.
[02:08:34]  I think because we have asymmetrical warfare against us, and they're using our good graces and our politeness against us in terms of basically murdering genocidists, I think we need to see, and I think there must be enough data and information out there to start doing some Nuremberg II hangings.
[02:08:55]  I think once you start doing one or two of those, the people that are kind of like, well, they told me to do it, they're going to realize that they are culpable for violating international law, national law, and numerous local laws.
[02:09:11]  Once they see that, hey, this is for real and their life is on the line, I think that would be a major turning point.
[02:09:18]  I have a couple of concerns.
[02:09:19]  The first is, are there local laws against genocide?
[02:09:22]  Yes.
[02:09:23]  Absolutely.
[02:09:24]  I don't know if county boards cover that kind of stuff.
[02:09:28]  Maybe there is.
[02:09:29]  I don't know.
[02:09:30]  The second thing is this is dumb for a couple of reasons.
[02:09:34]  I mean, there's some stuff that we should talk about, but for this being on Infowars, this is dumb because Nuremberg trials were like a world court.
[02:09:43]  And they should be against that.
[02:09:46]  They should be against the idea of a Nuremberg II because on principle, they shouldn't even be in favor of the first one.
[02:09:54]  No.
[02:09:54]  Like, it's strange.
[02:09:57]  It's kind of strange to me, this formulation, but I saw you jotting a note down.
[02:10:03]  I was blown away by how we went from because, and I think this is how this dude thinks, is like, I guess it's because we're so polite that we're allowing them to hurt us.
[02:10:14]  Anyways, we should hang them.
[02:10:16]  Like, is politeness just not hanging people?
[02:10:20]  Yep.
[02:10:21]  But it's something that Alex says a lot.
[02:10:23]  And that's probably what the caller is mirroring back to.
[02:10:26]  Yeah, is responding back to.
[02:10:29]  We've let them get to this point.
[02:10:31]  We've let the globalists do this by not killing them already.
[02:10:35]  You know, it was just Christians during the 80s were so quiet.
[02:10:38]  Right.
[02:10:39]  You know, they just had nothing to say.
[02:10:41]  They let everything go to shit.
[02:10:43]  You know, they, frankly, handled the AIDS crisis better than anybody, I'm sure.
[02:10:48]  It's also interesting that this caller starts with the let's inhale bleach and then ends with the let's hang people.
[02:10:55]  Let's serve.
[02:10:55]  So they know we're serious.
[02:10:57]  First things first, let's poison ourselves and then kill everybody we don't like.
[02:11:00]  I don't understand what's wrong about that.
[02:11:02]  So Alex has an interesting rebuttal to this guy.
[02:11:07]  He has a take on it that I think is a little bit weak.
[02:11:10]  Now, I don't want anybody to go out and shoot any of these minions or actual globalists because there's a globalist system they've got in place that Satan runs.
[02:11:21]  It's spiritual.
[02:11:22]  They would use that as a preject to expand more control over us.
[02:11:28]  Our resistance needs to be financial, spiritual, physical in a non-violent way, civil disobedience, things like that.
[02:11:39]  But they are going to go ahead and just keep moving at us in a violent way.
[02:11:44]  And so at a certain point, we do need to take back some governmental systems, and then we do need to have Nuremberg II.
[02:11:50]  And people that do knowingly roll out depopulation and sterilization weapons against the public obviously do need to be executed.
[02:11:58]  This is a strange take for Alex to have because it's essentially like, let's not kill these people.
[02:12:05]  Instead, let's take over the apparatus of the state and then kill them.
[02:12:09]  And use the state to kill them.
[02:12:11]  Yes.
[02:12:11]  That way it'll be okay.
[02:12:13]  That seems counter to some of Alex's large beliefs.
[02:12:17]  No, no, no, no.
[02:12:18]  Now, and this has never happened before.
[02:12:22]  So there's never been sort of like a opposition party that's kind of a minority that decides to then overthrow the government and through the government justify their actions despite them being incredibly immoral.
[02:12:36]  Now, Alex is opposed to federal government overreach.
[02:12:39]  Right.
[02:12:39]  And so I would assume that he's not talking about winning the presidency and then using the federal crimes to prosecute these people.
[02:12:47]  Obviously, it's not international law since Alex doesn't believe that exists.
[02:12:51]  No.
[02:12:51]  It has to be a state government, right?
[02:12:53]  Probably.
[02:12:53]  Like Ron DeSantis decides he's going to kill Fauci.
[02:12:57]  Yeah.
[02:12:57]  That sounds about right.
[02:12:58]  Yeah.
[02:12:58]  Sounds about right.
[02:12:59]  He wants we're going to extradite Fauci to fly.
[02:13:02]  I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if at a certain point he's like, let's overthrow the Texas governor and install the lieutenant governor as the supreme overlord of the Texas fucking ethno-state.
[02:13:13]  I'm sure he would like Dan Patrick more than Abbott.
[02:13:18]  Oh, yeah.
[02:13:18]  But yeah, this is weird.
[02:13:21]  I don't find it any more comforting that he's saying, don't kill people because the idea that he has is a bit more fucked up.
[02:13:28]  Don't target these people.
[02:13:29]  We're going to have to first overthrow the government.
[02:13:32]  So we're going to kill a bunch of henchmen first, civilians, people not involved, people who don't even really care.
[02:13:37]  Well, conceivably, conceivably, he could be talking about electoral politics.
[02:13:41]  Sure.
[02:13:43]  He could be talking about winning offices.
[02:13:45]  Sure.
[02:13:46]  Absolutely.
[02:13:46]  But I guess we can't do that because the Democrats have ricked it in every election.
[02:13:50]  So, hmm.
[02:13:51]  Anyway, Alex, he's caught a new story about COVID that he's got to get into.
[02:13:58]  And he does a good job.
[02:13:59]  They're on the news saying it's the unvaccinated that get you sick.
[02:14:03]  That's the reason your vaccine didn't work.
[02:14:05]  That's the reason you have COVID symptoms.
[02:14:07]  Even though the scientists explain it's the COVID shot causing the COVID.
[02:14:12]  And we knew this would happen.
[02:14:13]  New COVID-19 strain found with altered spike protein.
[02:14:18]  Oh, altered again.
[02:14:21]  Oh, fuck me.
[02:14:22]  This is just down breaking today.
[02:14:25]  One week after Soros and all the rest of the Gates people said, oh, there's going to be new strains.
[02:14:32]  We need new vaccines.
[02:14:33]  The old ones didn't work.
[02:14:34]  Oh.
[02:14:35]  It's not quite accurate.
[02:14:37]  This is only news because Alex doesn't understand the topics that he covers.
[02:14:40]  Right.
[02:14:41]  It's not surprising to see the possibility of a COVID variant showing changes in its spike protein.
[02:14:46]  And that's actually a large part of what made the Delta variant more transmissible than the alpha strain.
[02:14:51]  I mean, it's almost inevitable that it would do that.
[02:14:54]  French officials are investigating a new strain that they've detected, but it's not entirely clear as of yet how different this strain is going to end up being.
[02:15:01]  According to an article in Reuters, it looks like researchers are interested in how he can possibly hide from PCR tests, since, quote, several of the patients delivered negative PCR tests and returned a positive result only from samples taken from blood or deep in the respiratory system.
[02:15:16]  However, even if this does end up being the case, quote, France's health ministry said late on Monday that early analysis did not suggest the mutation was more contagious or more deadly than earlier versions of the virus.
[02:15:28]  There's a lot of information yet to be learned about this variant, and it very well may turn out that it's not a huge deal and that the vaccines we have are still effective against it.
[02:15:37]  So it could end up being more or less an academic issue.
[02:15:41]  Or it could turn out that its ability to evade PCR tests means that an alternative screening method might be needed in some cases.
[02:15:48]  It's also possible that significant enough mutations to the spike protein would make it resistant to the vaccines, but it's way too early to jump to that conclusion.
[02:15:57]  And that's what Alex is essentially doing.
[02:15:59]  And he's saying that it's intentional.
[02:16:01]  Are you telling me that it's way too early to jump to the conclusion that Bill Gates financed the creation of a new variant of Delta of COVID in order to continue killing people and blame the Patriots, even though the vaccine he's already given us is going to give us a death sentence?
[02:16:20]  But he's also added something so you don't get heart attacks.
[02:16:23]  Right, right, exactly.
[02:16:24]  Yeah.
[02:16:25]  It's a smorgasbord of vaccine information.
[02:16:27]  I'm a little dizzied by trying to keep some of this straight.
[02:16:32]  Dizzy is a good word.
[02:16:34]  So Alex complains about this whole legal issue he's in.
[02:16:38]  But also, you should really know that he's not taking this very seriously.
[02:16:41]  It's not a big deal.
[02:16:42]  It's not a big deal.
[02:16:42]  The way this gets at me is having to spend time and energy knowing we didn't do the things they said and telling lawyers they're going to default us years ago.

=== Why Take This Case Seriously? (05:17) ===

[02:16:56]  And then when the lawyers are like, nobody's ever given them all their bank accounts, this judge is crazy.
[02:17:00]  I said, give them all to them, but they're going to default.
[02:17:02]  Still did it.
[02:17:03]  Because I wanted to show the world all that and make them sit there and follow their political orders to engage in such outlandish, incredible corruption.
[02:17:13]  I knew all this.
[02:17:14]  I told them all that.
[02:17:15]  I remember again, I was sitting there one time when they deposed me in Texas and they're like, you don't take this very seriously.
[02:17:20]  You don't know this is serious.
[02:17:22]  Like later, we're driving home and like hold my dad up and I was laughing.
[02:17:26]  I'm like, these people have no idea that I already know all about this stuff.
[02:17:34]  That I was born researching this information and actually hearing family talk about things that they witnessed themselves.
[02:17:42]  What?
[02:17:43]  What?
[02:17:44]  What does that have to do with taking this case seriously?
[02:17:47]  I mean, it's almost evidence that he's not taking the case seriously.
[02:17:50]  Well, of course, he's saying that if his response is.
[02:17:53]  Yeah.
[02:17:54]  Yeah.
[02:17:56]  I just, I don't buy it.
[02:17:59]  I don't think this is a good avenue.
[02:18:01]  No.
[02:18:01]  So for a bit, Alex is promising, he's been promising to take more calls.
[02:18:05]  Sure.
[02:18:05]  And he promises he's going to get to it.
[02:18:07]  Got to.
[02:18:07]  Okay, I promise we're going to do your calls for a couple seconds.
[02:18:09]  We'll bring Drew and Anderson here at 15 after.
[02:18:12]  And we'll do the fourth hour with him and then the war with Owen Schroeder's coming up.
[02:18:15]  Oh, and poor Owen.
[02:18:17]  He's not a victim.
[02:18:18]  He's a trooper.
[02:18:19]  But he got sued for Sandy Hook for reading a zero edge article on air questioning Megan Kelly and things she was saying.
[02:18:27]  They just sued him and they never subpoenaed him.
[02:18:29]  They never defaulted Owen.
[02:18:32]  He never gets, they never even subpoenaed him to be defaulted, which under law, you can't even do that.
[02:18:38]  They never asked him for anything.
[02:18:40]  They just said, you're defaulted too.
[02:18:42]  You're not even a person.
[02:18:44]  As is very clear from our conversations with Mark Bankston, they tried to get Owen to come in for a deposition and he did not respond.
[02:18:53]  So many times.
[02:18:54]  So this is a bullshit piece of nonsense Alex is spreading here.
[02:18:58]  He didn't respond almost as if somebody might have told him it would be a bad idea for him to respond.
[02:19:03]  Don't worry, Dew's got this one.
[02:19:05]  Exactly.
[02:19:06]  Yeah.
[02:19:06]  Dude's got the goods.
[02:19:07]  Oh, boy.
[02:19:08]  So Alex said he was going to take calls and he goes to commercial.
[02:19:11]  And I thought, like, hey, we're going to get right back to the city.
[02:19:13]  We're going to get some calls.
[02:19:14]  We do not immediately do that.
[02:19:19]  They're masters at the new type of warfare.
[02:19:22]  Economic, cultural, spiritual warfare.
[02:19:25]  Slowly shutting down the economy, shutting down the world, and then blaming you, blaming the general public, blaming white people.
[02:19:34]  Are they?
[02:19:35]  And what is it about white people the globalists don't like?
[02:19:37]  Well, the Christian ethos and what happened in the West about 500 years ago, the Renaissance, the idea of empowering the average person, people having basic rights, people having free speech, people having a right to a jury, the Gutenberg printing press, books.
[02:19:56]  What are we doing?
[02:19:57]  What is this?
[02:19:58]  That's all being destroyed.
[02:20:01]  Don't you understand that the globalists hate white people because they invented freedom and books?
[02:20:05]  Listen, if it weren't for white people, the Library of Alexandria would never have been.
[02:20:14]  So one thing that I think is really interesting is the way that this singular person belief that Alex has, like Gutenberg with his press.
[02:20:23]  It's the great man view of history.
[02:20:24]  Yeah, as if he came up with that idea out of nowhere.
[02:20:27]  It's like the movable type innovations.
[02:20:30]  No one has ever thought of it before.
[02:20:32]  Nobody had ever thought of it before.
[02:20:34]  Hundreds of years ago.
[02:20:35]  Zero people had ever thought of it before.
[02:20:37]  This is a process that history is engaged in.
[02:20:40]  And different cultures are in conversation with each other as innovations.
[02:20:44]  Only white people.
[02:20:46]  Well, I guess you're right.
[02:20:47]  I don't have this deeply white supremacist.
[02:20:54]  Fucking wild.
[02:20:55]  Yeah.
[02:20:55]  That's fucking wild to not know the massive interplay of trade and like between, oh my God.
[02:21:03]  Well, and even legalistic concepts that Alex is fascinated by and insisting that white people invented, like the very basis of freedom, a lot of that's not based entirely or created out of whole cloth by European Western cultures.
[02:21:19]  I mean, it's like if he said everybody in Sumer was white.
[02:21:24]  Sure.
[02:21:24]  Sure, fucking fine, whatever.
[02:21:27]  Yeah, great.
[02:21:28]  Basic freedom and books are thanks to white people.
[02:21:33]  This sucks.
[02:21:34]  Yeah, that really sucks.
[02:21:35]  Anyway, Alex gets to calls.
[02:21:38]  Let's talk to Skylar in Washington.
[02:21:39]  Go ahead.
[02:21:42]  Hey, Alex.
[02:21:43]  God bless you.
[02:21:44]  God, peace be with you in this war.
[02:21:46]  Can you hear me?
[02:21:47]  Yes, sir.
[02:21:47]  Thank you.
[02:21:49]  Thank you.

=== Concerns Over Vaccine Dosing Errors (02:20) ===

[02:21:50]  I just want to cover this.
[02:21:51]  NBC posted this new report.
[02:21:54]  titled 100 kids in Virginia Given Wrong Dose of COVID vaccine, but we know it's nationwide, surely.
[02:22:01]  And it's disturbing.
[02:22:03]  They had a doctor try and cover it up.
[02:22:06]  They used this excuse of how they failed these kids and gave them adult doses.
[02:22:11]  And then they used this excuse to say that they should restart their vaccine regimen, possibly give them more doses of vaccine.
[02:22:19]  I saw that spin.
[02:22:20]  So, oh, we gave you three times what we say we should give you.
[02:22:23]  So the answer is it won't work because we gave you three times more.
[02:22:26]  That doesn't make any sense.
[02:22:27]  It doesn't make any sense because this caller and Alex have the story backwards.
[02:22:31]  They're saying that these hundred kids in Virginia were giving adult doses of the vaccine three times what they were supposed to get, but that's not true.
[02:22:38]  In reality, according to a story in the Washington Post, quote, the doses of Pfizer vaccine given at the clinic were diluted more than recommended, according to the health department.
[02:22:47]  It's not clear if this is what happened in this other case, but in another incident in Loudon County, Virginia, a pharmacy was administering incorrect doses to children, but their mistake kind of makes sense if you don't think about it too much.
[02:23:00]  Children's doses are one-third of the standard dose.
[02:23:03]  So you might think that you could dilute one-third of a standard dose, and just like that, you've cooked up a child's dose.
[02:23:09]  Oh, boy.
[02:23:10]  The issue here is that the experts don't actually know if that's something that would work.
[02:23:15]  It's possible, but it would be okay.
[02:23:16]  Sure.
[02:23:18]  But they're concerned that this wouldn't deliver a full dose, and they don't have the proper information.
[02:23:23]  So there's some concern if this is how the dosing is being done.
[02:23:27]  Yeah, I imagine that if I were one of the people who designed the vaccine, the knowledge that some pharmacist was just like, oh, well, if I have three little cups, I'll just pour a little bit of this vaccine in there each one.
[02:23:41]  That's probably not the way you want to.
[02:23:43]  I think the pharmacist is probably doing it a little bit more carefully than you're describing.
[02:23:48]  Sure, he's not using plastic cups and saying drink it, but yes.
[02:23:52]  Yeah, the point is that, you know, Alex and this caller are workshopping a conspiracy theory about a story that they have entirely wrong.

=== Investigative Call-In (05:07) ===

[02:23:59]  Yeah, that's cheating.
[02:24:01]  That's just cheating.
[02:24:02]  Like, what is the point of this show?
[02:24:05]  Take things that are wrong and tell people they're right.
[02:24:07]  I guess so.
[02:24:08]  Oh, my God.
[02:24:09]  That is the point of that show.
[02:24:10]  Yawp.
[02:24:10]  Shit.
[02:24:11]  So Alex gets another call from a guy who's an investigative reporter.
[02:24:14]  And I thought.
[02:24:17]  I thought, I'm very excited to hear from this investigator.
[02:24:20]  Let's see what he has to say.
[02:24:21]  And then I quickly got disappointed.
[02:24:23]  Also, his name is Ragnarok.
[02:24:25]  Hey.
[02:24:25]  Hey, Alex Jones.
[02:24:26]  Ragnarok here from Florida.
[02:24:29]  I was just wanting to call in.
[02:24:31]  And I'm an investigative journalist.
[02:24:33]  I used to work for Orlando Examiner in Florida in 2010.
[02:24:40]  I was covering the Obama administration in my articles, and I was publishing a lot of them.
[02:24:49]  So I had one of these deep state Illuminati people email me commenting on my articles.
[02:24:58]  This is about where I kind of decided, like, maybe you're not an investigative journalist.
[02:25:02]  I'm thinking not.
[02:25:04]  Yeah.
[02:25:05]  Saying, you know, about 50% of what I'm saying is true, the other 50% isn't true.
[02:25:11]  And just rebuttaling what he can and then confirming what I have found.
[02:25:19]  So I responded to that in kind six months later after he sent me that.
[02:25:24]  This is a great story.
[02:25:26]  1122, 2010, and I got fired on 1123, 2010 after Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google, all of them called up Orlando Examiner and said, if you don't fire this guy, we're going to terminate our contract with you.
[02:25:48]  At this point, I'm pretty sure Alex is eating.
[02:25:50]  Yeah, there's no way story.
[02:25:52]  This is a really boring story, and he is not interrupting it.
[02:25:56]  Yeah, not like building on anything, not trying to derail it into more interesting territory.
[02:26:01]  Nope.
[02:26:02]  This story is just like I had an Illuminati Globalist send me an email, and then I responded six months later, and then I was fired.
[02:26:10]  I'm surprised I'm not hearing the satisfying crunch of an egg roll.
[02:26:13]  Yeah, yeah, or a nice Sammy.
[02:26:15]  Yeah.
[02:26:16]  So I've been experiencing my voice being scientist for about 11 years.
[02:26:22]  Everything y'all are going through, I've went through.
[02:26:28]  It's a battle we got on our hands, but it's surprising I got on your shows.
[02:26:34]  Thank you for having me on.
[02:26:35]  Oh, I appreciate you coming.
[02:26:37]  Oh, the COVID vaccination, the mandatory vaccinations, it's in the literature.
[02:26:43]  It says that the very patent, the creators, the patent, whoever takes that, you become property of the ones who have that patent.
[02:26:54]  Oh, we're doing that one.
[02:26:55]  I mean, it does say that they own the genetic material.
[02:26:57]  It's crazy what they're doing.
[02:26:58]  It's unbelievable.
[02:26:59]  Oh, boy.
[02:27:00]  Yep.
[02:27:00]  That was a long walk to get to a dumb theory.
[02:27:03]  Yep.
[02:27:04]  Yep.
[02:27:08]  Yeah.
[02:27:09]  Yeah.
[02:27:09]  So all in all, I'm not finding myself in a position where this is an intriguing episode.
[02:27:16]  Yeah, that story soured me on any hope of interest.
[02:27:22]  It really put some airbreaks on Alex's show and our off.
[02:27:27]  Wild.
[02:27:29]  In 2010, I already stopped caring, sir.
[02:27:32]  And I kind of understand why Alex ends up doing what he does at this point, which is rid of the calls.
[02:27:38]  Yeah.
[02:27:38]  He decides he's going to play a statement that he recorded probably during one of the commercial players.
[02:27:44]  And that's why the Democratic Party and these billionaire philanthropists, as they call themselves, have been financing the attacks on the Second Amendment and on the First Amendment in this country and financing an attack on the judiciary.
[02:27:58]  They have been buying up the judges.
[02:28:00]  They have been buying up the courts.
[02:28:02]  They've been paying for all the DAs.
[02:28:04]  They've been putting in the county attorneys as well and even the state attorney generals.
[02:28:08]  They admit this.
[02:28:09]  And the witch hunts against their political opposition are now legion.
[02:28:13]  And that's all that's happened here.
[02:28:14]  I have spent millions of dollars fighting these fraudulent Sandy Hook lawsuits against me.
[02:28:20]  And they never wanted me to have my real day in court in front of a jury.
[02:28:24]  It's too dangerous for the establishment that uses those dead children to try to destroy the First Amendment, not just the Second Amendment.
[02:28:31]  And so we gave them all of our documents, all of our bank records, things that had nothing to do with the defamation suit.
[02:28:38]  And the judge in Texas and the judge in Connecticut in lockstep said, Jones has failed to give us documents.
[02:28:45]  And it's simply not true.
[02:28:47]  It is a lie.

=== Blitz Bombing Britain (03:04) ===

[02:28:48]  Alex is the victim.
[02:28:50]  I mean, you did everything right.
[02:28:52]  They didn't say you failed to give them documents.
[02:28:56]  They got plenty of documents.
[02:28:58]  Some, some, well, some documents didn't come, and some were suspicious.
[02:29:03]  There were wildly too many documents in some situations.
[02:29:07]  Yeah.
[02:29:07]  So, I mean, he just did everything right.
[02:29:09]  Sure, sure.
[02:29:10]  And this is so egregious that, like.
[02:29:13]  They're taking our First Amendment rights away.
[02:29:15]  But it's so egregious that it's going to turn people on.
[02:29:18]  Like, it's going to wake people up, obviously.
[02:29:21]  All of this is because the establishment is in its death rows and it's lost control of the American people.
[02:29:27]  And so, they think if they can target leaders of the populist opposition and demonize us and do all sorts of corrupt things to us, that that's going to intimidate other people to not stand up politically against them.
[02:29:39]  But that's not going to work.
[02:29:40]  It's just like when Hitler bombed civilian targets in England, is it?
[02:29:44]  And the general public went from being 90% against a war to 90 plus percent for a war.
[02:29:50]  And so, that's what's happening: this is nothing but the judicial system being weaponized, trying to intimidate me and others.
[02:29:56]  It's not going to work.
[02:29:57]  I'm going to work harder.
[02:29:58]  I'm going to put out more films.
[02:30:00]  I'm going to do more interviews, and I'm going to continue with my pro-America freedom advocacy.
[02:30:04]  And I'm not going to be silenced.
[02:30:06]  Yeah, I don't think that's going to come to pass because even in good times, he said he was going to make more documentaries and work harder.
[02:30:14]  Yeah, even when he had plenty of money, instead, what he did was buy a fucking tank.
[02:30:19]  Yeah, so the bombing of Britain during World War II lasted over eight months in 1940 to 1941.
[02:30:26]  The United Kingdom declared war on Germany in 1939, so that already happened.
[02:30:30]  No, I'm going to need to see Alex cite some sources on this 90% against to 90% for figure in terms of British support for the war because I can't find anything that comes close to that.
[02:30:40]  There was a spike in morale and support for the war at the end of the Blitz, but it also coincided with when the Soviet Union officially entered the war.
[02:30:48]  So these motivators could be working in concert together.
[02:30:51]  Also, there was a spike when the U.S. joined the war.
[02:30:54]  So, I mean, like, there's historical things.
[02:30:57]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:30:57]  Anyway, the point Alex is making about Germany hoping to demoralize the British with a Blitz, but that only making them more in favor of the war is maybe somewhat accurate, but only if you interpret it really generously.
[02:31:08]  Also, an important point is that the enthusiasm in Britain went up when the Blitz ended, not while the bombing campaign was still active.
[02:31:17]  This dynamic kind of hurts Alex's metaphor, but I don't want to split too many hairs.
[02:31:20]  It's just something that he brings up over and over and over again.
[02:31:24]  He only really has maybe 100 sort of word blocks that he uses and just sort of fits them in where they need to go.
[02:31:32]  Right, right, right.
[02:31:33]  Headline, pick a word block, pick a metaphor, talk about how you're disappointed in a kid.

=== End InfoWars: Babies & Bias (14:15) ===

[02:31:39]  We got mad libs, yes.
[02:31:41]  More or less.
[02:31:42]  Yeah.
[02:31:42]  So anyway, Alex is done.
[02:31:44]  He does this, like the plays his statement, and it's just more of the same.
[02:31:49]  Just sort of like, I got set up.
[02:31:51]  Yeah, of course.
[02:31:52]  I'm innocent.
[02:31:53]  He's the free Alex.
[02:31:54]  No, this is what it's all been about since 1998.
[02:31:58]  This is what they have been working towards, Dan.
[02:32:00]  Yeah, and it should have happened within five years, but his timing was off.
[02:32:05]  They fucked around and did 9-11.
[02:32:07]  Look, they're 10 years behind.
[02:32:09]  We all know that their plans are always behind.
[02:32:11]  Yeah.
[02:32:12]  Yeah, some other stuff got in the way.
[02:32:14]  Sure.
[02:32:15]  So Alex brings on this guy named Drew Hernandez.
[02:32:20]  And he is a guy who is an activist on the right and a big shithead.
[02:32:26]  And he presents himself as a journalist, kind of, because he goes and he live streams stuff.
[02:32:31]  He happened to be in Kenosha live streaming.
[02:32:33]  And so he is now being called as a defense witness in the Rittenhouse trial.
[02:32:39]  Oh, great.
[02:32:39]  Now, there have been some concerns about him being a little bit too much of a biased person.
[02:32:46]  What?
[02:32:47]  What would make you say that?
[02:32:48]  I would agree with those concerns.
[02:32:50]  He says, I'm not biased to anything except the truth.
[02:32:53]  And my rebuttal to that would be, buddy, you're on InfoWars.
[02:32:57]  There you go.
[02:32:57]  So you got problems.
[02:32:59]  You were biased against the truth.
[02:33:01]  So anyway, Alex has a little bit of a bull session with this guy who's dangerously close to being offered a job.
[02:33:07]  Great.
[02:33:08]  And here's a little bit of that.
[02:33:10]  What you talked about, how the left and wokeism is a new religion.
[02:33:13]  Klaus Schwab came out two days ago and gave a speech.
[02:33:16]  The head of the WTO, Bilderberg Group, Debos Group.
[02:33:21]  I mean, he's the head of all those globalist organizations.
[02:33:24]  He's really like the world corporate president, the chairman of the board.
[02:33:28]  And he openly said, We're creating a new religion of the earth, and that's how we're going to unify everybody.
[02:33:33]  It's a religion where humans are bad and evil, and they, the high priest, are going to make sure that they suppress us and control us for the good of the earth.
[02:33:41]  I mean, this is a very authoritarian system.
[02:33:44]  So, can you elaborate on your point about how they are an oppressive religion that wants control of our bodies?
[02:33:49]  Because that's a really good point.
[02:33:50]  Because, I mean, when you take a look at this from like a biblical worldview, that's the end game for Lucifer and for Satan.
[02:33:57]  Now, we're going to get into some theology because that's what is going to happen with the advent of the Antichrist.
[02:34:03]  He's going to be a superstar that is going to unify the world, that is going to usher in a one-world religion, one world economy, and one world system.
[02:34:12]  And we are seeing this unfold right now.
[02:34:14]  I'm not saying that we are literally living in the book of Revelation right now because there are some precursors that need to take place according to the Bible.
[02:34:22]  But we are literally watching right now is the Bible would refer it to as the spirit of the Antichrist because this is the grand finale before the second coming of Jesus Christ.
[02:34:32]  Oh, boy.
[02:34:33]  So, quick clarification: Klaus Schwab isn't the head of the World Trade Organization.
[02:34:38]  He's the head of the World Economic Forum.
[02:34:39]  But to Alex, all of these organizations are basically the same thing, so it doesn't really matter.
[02:34:45]  That's not really a.
[02:34:47]  So, also, Klaus Schwab was giving a speech at World Economic Forum summit that took place last weekend, and he didn't say the things Alex is saying.
[02:34:54]  Right.
[02:34:55]  Also, Drew Hernandez is clearly insane.
[02:34:57]  Also, I don't know if you remember this, but I was listening to this and I remembered, like, I hate this guy.
[02:35:02]  Yeah, I remember him being like journalist baby.
[02:35:05]  That's that's the he's one of the journalist babies.
[02:35:07]  Oh, yeah, his voice, he just sounds like a whiny baby.
[02:35:11]  He's the worst, yeah, yeah.
[02:35:12]  I got really annoyed listening to this.
[02:35:14]  I can't believe that you have here's here's the thing about being a witness: I understand because the judge is a piece of shit, and that's not unusual.
[02:35:26]  But I mean, if I'm on the jury, I would like the defense to always question or anybody to always question their witnesses.
[02:35:35]  Do you believe that it's Lucifer's plan?
[02:35:37]  Right.
[02:35:37]  What's happening right now?
[02:35:39]  Because if that's the case, then I don't care what you have to say.
[02:35:42]  Do you believe that when you were at that protest in Kenosha, do you believe that the devil was involved?
[02:35:50]  Do you believe that this is part of end times prophecy?
[02:35:53]  Absolutely.
[02:35:54]  When you were there, is that a state of mind you were in?
[02:35:56]  Absolutely.
[02:35:57]  Is it possible that that might affect how you experienced things?
[02:36:01]  I mean, I don't even care if it's might.
[02:36:03]  That's the end for me.
[02:36:05]  I don't believe you.
[02:36:06]  So, anyway, I just think this guy sounds like a baby.
[02:36:10]  Yeah.
[02:36:10]  How much further does this need to go?
[02:36:12]  They want to dictate your children.
[02:36:13]  They want to jab your children.
[02:36:15]  They think they know what's best better than an own parent for your own babies, your own children.
[02:36:20]  That goes beyond politics, way beyond politics, way beyond Democrat, way beyond Republican, way beyond Trump, way beyond Biden.
[02:36:27]  This is evil.
[02:36:28]  It's evil.
[02:36:28]  When people think that they can dictate and control and know what's best for your own babies over you as a parent, how the hell could you ever allow that?
[02:36:37]  Ever.
[02:36:37]  In what universe?
[02:36:38]  By the way, you know what Fauci means in Latin?
[02:36:41]  Isn't it like death?
[02:36:43]  Death.
[02:36:43]  Right?
[02:36:44]  Oh, my God.
[02:36:45]  It means Grim Reaper.
[02:36:46]  Oh, my God.
[02:36:47]  You see what I'm saying?
[02:36:48]  You see how this all just kind of like comes together?
[02:36:51]  Don't say it comes together because of us.
[02:36:53]  It's pre-planned because God knew it was going to happen.
[02:36:55]  Yeah, Fauci doesn't mean death or Grim Reaper.
[02:36:58]  The name is derived from the Sicilian word for sickle.
[02:37:01]  The name comes from people who had the occupation of making sickles, having that name, much like Smith or Miller or occupational rooted names.
[02:37:09]  I was going to say, it's like an agriculturalist, basically.
[02:37:12]  Like, you know how some people have the last name farmer?
[02:37:14]  Yep.
[02:37:15]  Anyway, this is the perfect sort of information for Alex to throw around because it means nothing, but it has the tendency to blow idiots' minds.
[02:37:22]  And it's working.
[02:37:23]  I mean, just that.
[02:37:25]  Some people just can't be orators.
[02:37:29]  You know, if that's not your skill, it's not your skill.
[02:37:32]  But this, this.
[02:37:33]  Yeah, how could they let you let people trust their babies more than their parents?
[02:37:38]  Like, oh my God.
[02:37:39]  Yeah.
[02:37:40]  Go away.
[02:37:40]  I mean, I find this guy to have a credibility problem.
[02:37:44]  I find him to have a bias problem.
[02:37:47]  I think he's annoying.
[02:37:48]  That doesn't really affect the judicial part.
[02:37:51]  No.
[02:37:51]  But also, I think that him saying things like this next clip that I'm going to play, I think this is a problem for him being involved as a witness for the defense.
[02:38:01]  Sure.
[02:38:02]  He's going to talk about one of the people who got shot, one of the people that Rittenhouse killed.
[02:38:07]  Yes.
[02:38:08]  This is a person who has some history of abuse against children he perpetrated.
[02:38:14]  Okay.
[02:38:15]  It is exaggerated by Alex and Drew, but I'm not minimizing the fact that that is a part of this person.
[02:38:23]  Right.
[02:38:23]  Right, right, right.
[02:38:24]  Now, here's what he says.
[02:38:26]  This is just awful.
[02:38:28]  How do we get to this point where we are propping up child molesters out in the open?
[02:38:33]  That is who Joseph Rosenbaum is and was.
[02:38:36]  That's a fact.
[02:38:37]  And that is exactly why they didn't want it to come out in the trial because they knew if the jury knew this, they exactly knew that possibly this guy deserved to get shot because Kyle Rittenhouse was a minor when Joseph Rosenbaum was charging him from behind.
[02:38:51]  He was raping little kids.
[02:38:53]  That's something that I think is impeachable as a witness.
[02:38:57]  Him expressing a mentality that maybe the jury would decide that he deserved to die because of past actions.
[02:39:06]  I just don't.
[02:39:07]  I don't think he should be anywhere near that courtroom.
[02:39:09]  No, that's fucked up.
[02:39:10]  Yeah.
[02:39:11]  That's just fucked up.
[02:39:12]  Yeah, I think being on InfoWars is bad enough, but then when you're expressing these kinds of opinions, it's I just don't.
[02:39:22]  Because he's basically implying that it's okay if it turns out after the fact.
[02:39:28]  Yeah, if later he's a bad person.
[02:39:29]  He's turned something about a person.
[02:39:31]  Yeah.
[02:39:31]  If you can defend your actions after the fact based on someone being bad.
[02:39:35]  That's crazy.
[02:39:37]  It's like if I liked murdering people and then I pushed somebody off a cliff and then I was in court and they were like, ah, but did you know this guy was also a murderer?
[02:39:45]  I'd be like, see, I'm totally off the hook now.
[02:39:47]  No.
[02:39:48]  Maybe the jury would think he deserves to be pushed off the cliff.
[02:39:51]  Maybe I'm the hero here.
[02:39:52]  That's not how the law works.
[02:39:54]  No, it's still against the law.
[02:39:56]  Yeah.
[02:39:57]  The jury wouldn't be like, ah, aha.
[02:40:00]  I don't care about the person he's paying.
[02:40:02]  Yeah, this isn't fucking Texas in the 1800s.
[02:40:05]  No.
[02:40:06]  It's not just like, oh, yeah, well, he had it coming.
[02:40:08]  Again, not guilty.
[02:40:09]  This is baby shit.
[02:40:11]  This is how children think.
[02:40:12]  Absolutely.
[02:40:13]  He's not a mature, fully adult person.
[02:40:16]  Whiny babies.
[02:40:17]  So anyway, here's how Drew ends the show.
[02:40:19]  Alex is he wants Drew to wrap it up, throws it to him.
[02:40:23]  You get the final word, my man.
[02:40:24]  Oh, God.
[02:40:25]  Drew, we got 30 seconds.
[02:40:26]  Take us out.
[02:40:27]  America, you need to wake up to the reality.
[02:40:30]  Look at the culture.
[02:40:31]  Look at education.
[02:40:33]  Look at politics.
[02:40:34]  Look at the grand scale.
[02:40:36]  Look at the entire world.
[02:40:37]  Look at the justice system, the so-called justice system.
[02:40:40]  It's all being subverted.
[02:40:42]  Right now, you need to stand up for what's true, for what's righteous, and what's honest, because it's either now or it's never.
[02:40:48]  That's absolutely right.
[02:40:50]  Choose God, folks.
[02:40:51]  God will win in the end.
[02:40:52]  This is all a giant test.
[02:40:53]  That seems also impeachable as a witness.
[02:40:57]  If he has these beliefs about the justice system, it doesn't.
[02:41:01]  I don't know.
[02:41:03]  I'm not happy about it.
[02:41:05]  It's such a boring speech.
[02:41:06]  I was longing for the story from 2010 again.
[02:41:09]  I was like, ooh, wait a second.
[02:41:11]  Somebody sent a comment towards you?
[02:41:13]  Bring back Ragnarok.
[02:41:14]  Absolutely.
[02:41:15]  That guy is a better journalist.
[02:41:17]  It seems like.
[02:41:18]  Give him a job.
[02:41:19]  Anyway, I think that this is actually exactly what you'd kind of expect.
[02:41:27]  Sure.
[02:41:27]  Alex deflecting, saying, I did everything right.
[02:41:30]  I'm not to blame.
[02:41:31]  These people jammed me up.
[02:41:33]  It's fraud.
[02:41:34]  That's exactly what you'd expect once it's over.
[02:41:36]  There's no reason to be angry anymore.
[02:41:38]  Yeah.
[02:41:38]  Like, the anger is useful sales motivation until the actual door is shut.
[02:41:44]  Right, right.
[02:41:45]  The door is shut.
[02:41:46]  It's just a matter of PR campaigns to make sure that your revenue streams from the audience don't dry up.
[02:41:53]  Right.
[02:41:53]  And I think he's doing exactly what he needs to do on that front.
[02:41:56]  Yeah.
[02:41:57]  He's also being overtly white supremacist.
[02:42:01]  Yeah.
[02:42:01]  Yeah.
[02:42:02]  Also being real stupid.
[02:42:04]  And hanging out with Drew Baby.
[02:42:08]  You know, here's something weird.
[02:42:11]  This just, this thought just occurred to me, okay?
[02:42:14]  So Alex, if the vaccines do murder everybody, will be off the hook.
[02:42:24]  So shouldn't he be rooting for people to take the vaccine?
[02:42:28]  If he believes that people who take the vaccine will die, guess who took the vaccine?
[02:42:32]  Judges, juries, lawyers?
[02:42:35]  Shouldn't he be like, hey, everybody that I don't like, get this vaccine?
[02:42:41]  Well, no, because he believes in humanity too much.
[02:42:44]  Because he loves people and he doesn't want to.
[02:42:47]  That was the closest spit take in a good long while.
[02:42:50]  That one got me.
[02:42:52]  Integrity.
[02:42:53]  Decency.
[02:42:54]  Sure.
[02:42:55]  Love of fellow man.
[02:42:56]  Honestly, God.
[02:42:58]  It's all about God.
[02:42:59]  Yep.
[02:42:59]  Yep.
[02:43:01]  So we end this in a sort of state where I think we're in a holding pattern until we know kind of what the damages are going to be.
[02:43:11]  Because I think if they're considerable, Alex might be in very big trouble.
[02:43:17]  Yeah.
[02:43:17]  If it's not, he might be able to fuck around and have some money bombs and maybe make enough money to coast through, maybe, you know, cut some staff.
[02:43:29]  Sure.
[02:43:29]  Maybe slim down a little bit.
[02:43:31]  I don't know.
[02:43:32]  I just can't think of any way to go to a jury with anything other than end InfoWars money.
[02:43:39]  You know what I mean?
[02:43:40]  Like, listen, this is not going to stop unless we stop it.
[02:43:44]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:43:45]  So we have to either he stops InfoWars or we award a judgment so high that he has to stop InfoWars.
[02:43:52]  That seems to be the only option for me.
[02:43:54]  Otherwise, what's the point of any of this?
[02:43:56]  I understand where you're coming from.
[02:43:57]  I just don't know if that flies in court.
[02:43:59]  No, I agree.
[02:44:01]  I agree with that.
[02:44:02]  I agree with that.
[02:44:03]  But I mean, honestly, what's the point of any of this?
[02:44:06]  If he's allowed to continue doing it, what's the fucking point?
[02:44:09]  You know?
[02:44:10]  Yeah.
[02:44:11]  I mean, I guess the point I would want to seek is whatever it is that the families who were suing him want.
[02:44:22]  Sure, of course.
[02:44:23]  No, I would defer to it.
[02:44:24]  You're absolutely right on that.
[02:44:26]  Absolutely.
[02:44:27]  But I think that, you know, I don't, I think people might expect that there'd be like a big change of like his tone because he lost this suit.
[02:44:39]  Absolutely not.
[02:44:40]  That's not the case.
[02:44:41]  But I mean, that's kind of my point.
[02:44:42]  Yeah.
[02:44:43]  This behavior isn't going to stop because he gets a huge judgment against him.
[02:44:49]  Yeah.
[02:44:49]  This behavior is going to continue for as long as he does his show.
[02:44:52]  The only option to make this a win is to end InfoWars.
[02:44:58]  But if he does end InfoWars, then he could just do a podcast.
[02:45:02]  True.
[02:45:03]  Absolutely.
[02:45:04]  I'm not saying that that's.
[02:45:05]  I'm just saying that that's what I would be pushing for.
[02:45:08]  I know?
[02:45:08]  I understand.
[02:45:09]  Yeah.
[02:45:10]  I don't know.
[02:45:10]  And we'll see what happens.
[02:45:11]  Indeed.
[02:45:12]  But for now, Jordan, we have a website.
[02:45:14]  We do.
[02:45:14]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[02:45:16]  Yep.
[02:45:16]  We are also on Twitter.
[02:45:18]  We are on Twitter.
[02:45:18]  It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
[02:45:21]  Yeah.
[02:45:22]  Also, we had intended to not have an episode today for Wednesday because I wanted a little break.
[02:45:28]  This sneaky snake was so sneaky, it snuck up on us.
[02:45:31]  Yes.
[02:45:33]  You know, times necessitated us having an episode.
[02:45:36]  So if you've made it this far, here's a warning.

=== Sex Robots Are Coming (00:26) ===

[02:45:38]  We might not have an episode on Friday.
[02:45:40]  We'll see.
[02:45:41]  We'll see.
[02:45:41]  TBD.
[02:45:43]  If he gets drunk and does a special report, we might have an episode on Friday.
[02:45:47]  We might.
[02:45:47]  But until we see again, I've been Neo.
[02:45:51]  I'm Leo.
[02:45:51]  I'm DZX Clark.
[02:45:53]  I'm Daryl Rundis.
[02:45:55]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[02:45:57]  Andy in Kansas.
[02:45:58]  You're on the air.
[02:45:59]  Thanks for holding.
[02:46:01]  Hello, Alex.
[02:46:02]  I'm a first-time caller.
[02:46:03]  I'm a huge fan.
[02:46:04]  I love your work.