Knowledge Fight - #617: June 27, 2003
Aired: 2021-11-15
Duration: 01:19:56


=== Quick Question Time (07:26) ===

[00:00:21]  I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
[00:00:29]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:30]  Dan and George.
[00:00:30]  Knowledge fight.
[00:00:32]  I need money.
[00:00:36]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:40]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:41]  Stop it.
[00:00:42]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:43]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:44]  It's time to pray.
[00:00:46]  Andy in Kansas.
[00:00:48]  You're on the air.
[00:00:48]  Thanks for holding me.
[00:00:49]  Hello, Alex.
[00:00:51]  I love you.
[00:00:59]  Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
[00:01:01]  I'm Jordan.
[00:01:02]  We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
[00:01:07]  Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
[00:01:08]  Jordan!
[00:01:09]  Jordan!
[00:01:10]  I have a quick question for you.
[00:01:11]  Yes, what's up?
[00:01:12]  What's your bright spot today, sir?
[00:01:13]  My bright spot today might be a controversial bright spot.
[00:01:16]  Controversial bright spot.
[00:01:16]  Maybe one that people won't come on board for.
[00:01:19]  Okay, okay.
[00:01:20]  And that is, I'm excited that it's winter.
[00:01:23]  Ah, I see.
[00:01:25]  I see.
[00:01:26]  I didn't realize it until maybe like a couple weeks ago, but I was like, I am excited.
[00:01:31]  I'm pumped that a Chicago winter is coming.
[00:01:33]  You know, I didn't realize how much I enjoy it.
[00:01:36]  I like a winter, and I...
[00:01:38]  I know I say that and then it's going to be negative 20. Oh, sure, sure, sure.
[00:01:42]  I hate winter.
[00:01:43]  No, no, no.
[00:01:44]  That is the nature of the beast.
[00:01:46]  Yeah, but I don't think I could live in a place that didn't have a winter.
[00:01:49]  And it's kind of nice to have a little bit of snow.
[00:01:52]  Yeah.
[00:01:53]  It's a nice thing to have the seasons change something for you without you having to move or something.
[00:02:00]  Sure.
[00:02:01]  All I did was just sit here for a while and things are different now.
[00:02:04]  That's not bad.
[00:02:05]  No.
[00:02:06]  No.
[00:02:08]  You know, I think it feels like the leaves fell off the trees within a matter of a couple days.
[00:02:13]  Awful quick.
[00:02:13]  Like overnight, and then now it's snowing.
[00:02:16]  Yep.
[00:02:17]  It's like, all right, here we go.
[00:02:18]  It was fine.
[00:02:19]  Hey, it was a nice sunny day, and then about two in the afternoon, it's just like, well, it's going to be winter forever now.
[00:02:25]  Yeah, zero to 60, or 60 to zero, I guess, in this case.
[00:02:28]  Oh, nice.
[00:02:28]  I like fall probably the best.
[00:02:31]  Sure.
[00:02:31]  But then, yeah, winter's pretty good.
[00:02:33]  Winter's pretty good.
[00:02:34]  As much as I love...
[00:02:36]  You know, the islands?
[00:02:37]  Sure.
[00:02:38]  Tropics?
[00:02:38]  Sure.
[00:02:39]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:39]  I don't know.
[00:02:40]  I might miss winter.
[00:02:42]  The winter is I'm an indoor kid.
[00:02:45]  I'm an indoor kid, man.
[00:02:46]  Sure.
[00:02:46]  You know, I don't like to be outside much anyway.
[00:02:49]  So if it's super cold, that just gives me an excuse to get back inside that much quicker.
[00:02:53]  That's true.
[00:02:53]  Yeah.
[00:02:53]  And if you're an indoor kid, I can just bring snowballs inside your house.
[00:02:58]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:02:58]  Throw them at me.
[00:02:59]  I'll put them in the freezer and then we'll have a good time.
[00:03:02]  For sure.
[00:03:02]  So what's your bright spot?
[00:03:04]  My bright spot, Dan, is...
[00:03:06]  I'm surprised it was not your bright spot as well, but we had a bit of a fun time watching wrestling with the...
[00:03:15]  Want to go watch AEW's Full Gear pay-per-view.
[00:03:18]  Yes, with Marty and Sarah of Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling.
[00:03:22]  Yeah.
[00:03:22]  We had a nice off-air crossover episode, I believe is what people are calling it hanging out these days.
[00:03:29]  It was a goddamn fistfight.
[00:03:30]  It's a goddamn fistfight.
[00:03:33]  It was a fantastic time.
[00:03:35]  It was great to see them.
[00:03:35]  I haven't been to their place in...
[00:03:37]  You know, it was just great.
[00:03:38]  It was fantastic.
[00:03:39]  It was a lot of fun.
[00:03:40]  It was good times hanging out.
[00:03:42]  I'm going to keep my review of the pay-per-view for myself.
[00:03:45]  Yes, we'll keep one of those.
[00:03:45]  Except to say it was too long.
[00:03:47]  Too long!
[00:03:47]  A little too long.
[00:03:48]  That is not going to be a controversial bright spot.
[00:03:51]  Probably not.
[00:03:52]  So, Jordan, today we're going back to the past.
[00:03:55]  We're going to be talking about June 27th, 2003.
[00:03:59]  Okay.
[00:04:00]  On this...
[00:04:00]  This here episode.
[00:04:02]  And one of the reasons for that was that our last episode of the present day, I think I got enough out.
[00:04:09]  This guy's a real dick.
[00:04:11]  He's a real piece of shit.
[00:04:12]  And I want to maintain...
[00:04:15]  There being some things to learn on this here podcast.
[00:04:19]  Sure.
[00:04:19]  And so I wanted to dig back and find some meaty stuff to go over, and I did.
[00:04:24]  I found some things that are, I think, going to be really interesting to get into some perceptions that will be busted.
[00:04:31]  Ooh.
[00:04:31]  Maybe a little...
[00:04:32]  A little knock, knock, knock?
[00:04:34]  Hello, perceptions.
[00:04:35]  You're busted.
[00:04:35]  You're busted.
[00:04:36]  And I'm excited to get into that, but before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks.
[00:04:40]  Oh, that's a great idea.
[00:04:41]  So first, Mark Mack in Mayberry RFD.
[00:04:43]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:44]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:45]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:46]  Thank you very much, Mark Mack.
[00:04:48]  Thank you.
[00:04:48]  Next, my partner's two cats are named Tom and Bosley, and she didn't get why it was funny.
[00:04:53]  Thank you so much.
[00:04:53]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:04:54]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:04:55]  Thank you very much.
[00:04:56]  Thank you.
[00:04:57]  Next, it's not the globalist, but eating disorder that consumes kids.
[00:05:00]  Fuck eating disorder.
[00:05:01]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:02]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:03]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:04]  Thank you, and we agree.
[00:05:05]  Next, you can't say that on the HPG network.
[00:05:08]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:09]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:10]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:11]  Thank you very much.
[00:05:12]  Strange aliases.
[00:05:13]  Yeah.
[00:05:13]  Not this one, though.
[00:05:15]  JD, thank you so much.
[00:05:16]  I love it.
[00:05:16]  Hello, you're now a policy wonk.
[00:05:18]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:19]  Thank you, J.D. And Mr. Jones and me look into the deep state.
[00:05:24]  Yeah, we stare at the dastardly globalists.
[00:05:27]  They're coming for you.
[00:05:28]  Oh, no, no, they're coming for me.
[00:05:30]  I want to beat Bob Dylan.
[00:05:31]  Thank you so much.
[00:05:32]  You are now a policy wonk.
[00:05:33]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:05:35]  Thank you.
[00:05:36]  I liked this message that I got from this person.
[00:05:39]  Thank you.
[00:05:41]  Thank God they included a clarification.
[00:05:45]  Did they sing?
[00:05:46]  No, no.
[00:05:47]  They had a clarification that was a Counting Crows reference.
[00:05:50]  And I really appreciated that.
[00:05:51]  Because I don't know if I would have got that otherwise.
[00:05:53]  Yeah, it would have been interesting to see you read the entire thing without knowledge that it was lyrics.
[00:05:57]  What is this?
[00:05:58]  Yeah, that would be fun.
[00:05:59]  And we got a technocrat to say hello to.
[00:06:01]  So, Jay-Z.
[00:06:03]  In Olympia, thank you so much.
[00:06:05]  You are now a technocrat.
[00:06:06]  I'm a policy wonk.
[00:06:07]  Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
[00:06:09]  Have yourself a brew.
[00:06:10]  How's your 401k doing, bro?
[00:06:12]  We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
[00:06:14]  Let's just get down to business.
[00:06:16]  We ain't making that money off that heroin.
[00:06:18]  Why are you pimps so good?
[00:06:20]  My neck is freakishly large.
[00:06:21]  I declare...
[00:06:23]  Infowar on you.
[00:06:24]  Thank you so much, Jay-Z and Olympia.
[00:06:26]  Thank you very much.
[00:06:27]  It's two letters.
[00:06:27]  It's Jay-Z.
[00:06:28]  Right, right.
[00:06:29]  It's not the Jay-Z in the Illuminati.
[00:06:31]  No, no.
[00:06:32]  It's a different Jay-Z.
[00:06:32]  Not Mr. Beyonce.
[00:06:34]  Right, right, right, right.
[00:06:34]  No.
[00:06:35]  No, no, no.
[00:06:35]  Not the king's queen.
[00:06:37]  Two initials.
[00:06:37]  Yes, gotcha.
[00:06:38]  Jay and a Z. So, Jordan, we start off today's episode with some triumphant news for some.
[00:06:45]  Okay.
[00:06:45]  Some possibly iffy news for Alex.
[00:06:48]  Okay.
[00:06:48]  That he interprets in a strange way.
[00:06:50]  U.S. Senator, the oldest U.S. Senator, the longest-serving U.S. Senator, who just left office last year, died this morning.
[00:07:01]  Former U.S. Senator Strom Thurmond died.
[00:07:05]  Strom Thurmond, the longest-serving Senator in U.S. history, died Thursday.
[00:07:10]  He was 100.
[00:07:12]  So he died in the, I guess, early morning hours yesterday.
[00:07:18]  Again, Thurman died at 9.45 p.m. local time in a hospital in his hometown of Edgar Field, said his son, Strom Thurman Jr.
[00:07:28]  He served as a senator from South Carolina for 48 years, as both a Democrat and later as a Republican.

=== George Wallace's Racism (12:12) ===

[00:07:36]  And Strom Thurman was attacked viciously and endlessly because he wasn't a Democrat and he wasn't a Klan member, so he was called a racist.
[00:07:45]  If you're a Klan member...
[00:07:48]  If you hate black people, if you try to exterminate them, you're called a liberal.
[00:07:54]  You're called a right-wing extremist if you care about black people.
[00:07:58]  And so he was attacked.
[00:08:00]  He was attacked.
[00:08:01]  Excuse me, sir.
[00:08:02]  He was attacked because he cared about black people.
[00:08:05]  He wanted slavery back.
[00:08:07]  See, I think this is an interesting take on Strom Thurmond and why people would call him a racist.
[00:08:12]  Wow!
[00:08:13]  This is full of shit.
[00:08:14]  Yikes.
[00:08:15]  So, for instance, even in the information that Alex provided in just that clip, you might end up like, if that's all you had to go on, you might ask yourself, why did Strom Thurmond go from being a Democrat to being a Republican?
[00:08:25]  Why?
[00:08:26]  Why didn't Alex get into any of that?
[00:08:28]  It seems like something that maybe was a big decision for him.
[00:08:31]  Yeah, and I wonder if a lot of people...
[00:08:34]  At the same time went from being Democrats to becoming Republicans.
[00:08:37]  So the short version is that Strom was a huge racist and the Democratic Party wasn't racist enough for him anymore.
[00:08:43]  Not anymore!
[00:08:44]  So the longer version is that in 1956, many Southern Democrats, or Dixiecrats as they were known, after they went a little rogue in response to Harry S. Truman supporting some civil rights things in the 1948 election.
[00:08:56]  Right.
[00:08:56]  So these Dixiecrats were really pissed off about the Supreme Court's decision in Brown versus Board of Education, which ruled that racially segregated schools were unconstitutional.
[00:09:05]  In response, 112 of the 138 members of Congress from southern states signed what they called the Southern Manifesto.
[00:09:13]  This document insisted that the Supreme Court had no right to meddle in the matters of education, and if states wanted to make it so people of different races had to go to separate schools, protecting that right was critically important.
[00:09:24]  It's states' rights, Dan.
[00:09:26]  It's about the federal system getting out of our business.
[00:09:29]  It's important to protect the Constitution.
[00:09:32]  Absolutely.
[00:09:33]  So they pleaded that they should be able to keep their whole separate but equal thing going, and blamed efforts to desegregate on, quote, outside meddlers.
[00:09:41]  I've never heard that before.
[00:09:42]  Totally.
[00:09:43]  That's so weird that outside meddlers have been They have been fucking up the progressive movement for so long.
[00:09:50]  Very effective over time.
[00:09:52]  Yeah!
[00:09:53]  Undefeated outside meddlers.
[00:09:55]  They warned that trying to integrate schools was going to destroy the amicable relations between the races.
[00:10:00]  Literally, that's in the Southern Manifesto.
[00:10:02]  Oh, of course it is!
[00:10:02]  They have to really gaslight you if you want to maintain slavery.
[00:10:06]  You've got to really gaslight people.
[00:10:07]  Yeah, they commended the, quote, states which have declared the intention to resist forced integration by any lawful means.
[00:10:15]  So, Strom Thurmond, as a Southern member of the Senate, was a massive fan of segregation, and he signed on to the Southern Manifesto.
[00:10:22]  Huge fan.
[00:10:22]  This was a losing battle he was fighting, as the tide was trending towards civil rights, but that didn't stop him from really trying fucking hard.
[00:10:30]  And that brings us to August 28th, 1957, when Strom Thurmond embarked on the longest filibuster in history, attempting to derail the Civil Rights Act of 1957, a large part of which had to do with protecting black people's right to vote.
[00:10:44]  Well, there is that.
[00:10:45]  He filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes, but the bill passed a couple hours after he ran out of steam.
[00:10:51]  He achieved essentially nothing except making sure people throughout history would remember him as a record-setting racist.
[00:10:57]  Flash forward a few years and LBJ had just signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
[00:11:02]  This was a big one as it outlawed discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.
[00:11:08]  This covered voting issues, public accommodations, public facilities, education, and employment discrimination.
[00:11:14]  So, as you can easily imagine, the racists were really not happy about this.
[00:11:18]  Oh, they weren't stoked.
[00:11:19]  LBJ's assistant, Bill Moyers, has quoted Johnson as saying, quote, I think we just delivered the South to the Republican Party for a long time to come.
[00:11:26]  After he'd signed the bill, The LBJ shit was just too much.
[00:11:37]  The Republican Party would soon roll out the Southern Strategy, an attempt to win over white Southern voters by explicitly appealing to their racism.
[00:11:45]  This was essentially the point where the parties completely changed their identities from what they were previously, and many of the Southern Democrats became Republicans.
[00:11:53]  There were still some racist Democrats, for sure, but a lot of the hardcore folks, like a guy who would speak for 24 hours straight to try and stop black people from being guaranteed equal voting rights, they just made their jump to the Republican Party.
[00:12:04]  That's where they were always meant to be.
[00:12:06]  Yep.
[00:12:07]  Not to put too fine a point on it, but Strom Thurmond is essentially synonymous with racism.
[00:12:11]  Even though he did soften as time went on, and he would eventually do things like vote in favor of making a holiday in honor of Martin Luther King Jr., his legacy is impossible to separate from his horrible racism at a time when it really mattered a lot.
[00:12:26]  The fact that Alex can't even accept this very clear reality of history, it's an indication of how entrenched his own racism is, even in 2003.
[00:12:34]  He's just a little publicly less angry about it at this point in his career.
[00:12:38]  You know, what's wild about the Strom Thurmond thing is, I remember in my freshman history class, we were talking about the president pro tempore of the Senate being fourth in line for becoming the president, and I was like...
[00:12:55]  Who is that now?
[00:12:57]  And they go, well, they usually just give it to the oldest senator.
[00:13:00]  And it was Strom Thurmond at the time.
[00:13:02]  And I was like, oh, that's really funny.
[00:13:05]  It's the oldest senator.
[00:13:06]  And she just looked at me and she was like, yeah, I wouldn't.
[00:13:10]  Like Strom Thurmond, if I were you.
[00:13:12]  Do you know what your job should be?
[00:13:14]  Hey, Strom Thurmond was a giant racist who filibustered for over 24 hours to end civil rights as we knew it.
[00:13:21]  It's a good thing to know.
[00:13:25]  Instead, she was like, you know what?
[00:13:27]  Don't work.
[00:13:29]  Let's just hope that the top three stay in line.
[00:13:32]  So Alex has a What About game to play with Strom Thurmond.
[00:13:37]  And he's like, come on, man.
[00:13:38]  Strom Thurmond couldn't be racist.
[00:13:39]  People can attack Strom Thurmond on whatever issues they want, but his segregation issues, my friends, were in 1957.
[00:13:52]  Now, back at that time, Senator Byrd was running around with a white hood on his head.
[00:13:59]  And, of course, he's one of the senior Democrats in the Senate.
[00:14:02]  So, I'm just tired of the double standards.
[00:14:06]  I don't want to get off into a big discussion about this.
[00:14:08]  Because it is a diversion.
[00:14:10]  If I were Alex, I wouldn't want to get into a big discussion about this, too, because the specifics end up making this argument fall apart.
[00:14:17]  I mean, sooner or later when you're defending Strom Thurmond, you're going to be the guy who says something and you go, now, I didn't mean that in a racist way.
[00:14:23]  Right.
[00:14:25]  Thurmond's segregationist views were not just in 1957.
[00:14:28]  Oh, no.
[00:14:28]  They were also well after that point, like when he left the Democratic Party because they were too against segregation for his taste.
[00:14:34]  Yeah.
[00:14:34]  But Alex does make a good point about Senator Byrd.
[00:14:37]  I will admit that.
[00:14:38]  That dude was also a piece of shit and was definitely in the Klan.
[00:14:42]  There's no real evidence that he was involved in the Klan past around 1950, though, and he expressed a great deal of regret about being a member later on.
[00:14:50]  In the name of fairness, though, I don't think it's right of me to say that it's cool to look at Bird differently because he changed later in his life when I'm still sticking it to Strom Thurmond, even though he did change a little bit as time went on as well.
[00:15:03]  I have a perfect solution to this problem, though, and that is to say fuck both of them.
[00:15:07]  You got it.
[00:15:08]  Yeah.
[00:15:08]  Now, the only reason I'm really getting into this at all is because there's a perfect example that Alex could use to make this same argument a ton better, but he doesn't, which is strange.
[00:15:20]  Alex should, instead of bringing up Byrd, he should be bringing up George Wallace, considering that he was a hardcore segregationist, as he famously said, segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.
[00:15:31]  Wallace was a gigantic racist, and he was running for the Democratic presidential nomination all the way up to 1976.
[00:15:39]  Now, there's a reason that Alex can't use Wallace as the example of racists in the Democratic Party, and that's because he has to believe that George Wallace isn't a racist, or else his entire worldview suddenly starts to look really racist.
[00:15:51]  There's the huge problem that he was the candidate that the John Birch Society was most into, and that alone could make Alex not want to associate him with the very clear racism that he embodied.
[00:16:02]  Then there's the other question that this association would bring up, which is that the book that Alex credits with changing his life is None Dare Call It Conspiracy, which was written by Gary Allen.
[00:16:12]  Allen was one of, if not the most popular writers and speakers in the John Birch Society, and was also George Wallace's speechwriter.
[00:16:20]  Honestly, Alan was his speechwriter on the presidential campaigns, the first of which launched in 1963, the same year he said his famous quote about segregation forever.
[00:16:30]  So it's not impossible that Alan had some hand in those words.
[00:16:33]  Huh.
[00:16:34]  Then you have the issue that one of the big backers of Wallace's 1968 independent party run for president was Willis Cardo, the white supremacist and neo-Nazi who founded the Liberty Lobby and published the Spotlight, the Holocaust-denying publication that was edited by Alex's friend, Big Jim.
[00:16:50]  Hmm.
[00:16:54]  Hmm.
[00:16:55]  that unravel when you pull on George Wallace unravel in ways that kind of make it too clear that Alex's world and his formative influences are all profound racists.
[00:17:04]  That's why, even though George Wallace would be the perfect example to demonstrate democratic racism at the time of Strom Thurmond and the Civil Rights Period, Alex would instead go with Byrd, who has a, you know, he has a decidedly racist past, but no real indication of that Klan association continuing into the period we're talking about.
[00:17:20]  Right.
[00:17:21]  Alex can't afford to use the perfect example of George Wallace.
[00:17:24]  Sure, because, you know, it's his body.
[00:17:26]  Yeah, I find that really interesting.
[00:17:29]  That is, I mean, I...
[00:17:31]  Because I was sitting there listening, and I'm like, Why don't you use Wallace?
[00:17:34]  Use Wallace!
[00:17:35]  I mean, I used Wallace instantly the moment you say Strom Thurmond.
[00:17:40]  I'm like, yeah, and his good buddy George Wallace.
[00:17:42]  That's the way it works.
[00:17:44]  And for him to just have to sit there and be like, fuck.
[00:17:49]  Who can I find?
[00:17:52]  Alex doesn't like a lot of these people in the Republican Party at this point.
[00:17:56]  All these neocons.
[00:17:57]  They're all secretly liberals.
[00:17:59]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:18:00]  They only want segregation a little bit.
[00:18:02]  So you got George W. Bush.
[00:18:04]  And you got Trent Locke.
[00:18:05]  And these two dudes are in Alex's crosshairs for the wrong reasons.
[00:18:09]  I have a Fox News story where Bush told him, stop bringing that up for a vote.
[00:18:13]  That's not your prerogative.
[00:18:15]  You follow the White House's orders.
[00:18:17]  So that's the only reason Bush turned his back on Trent Lott, his little cheerleader buddy.
[00:18:22]  They were both cheerleaders, male cheerleaders.
[00:18:25]  That's bad enough, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:18:27]  Don't trust any male cheerleaders.
[00:18:31]  Simpering, effeminate, New World Order, skull and bones, twitch.
[00:18:37]  Wow.
[00:18:37]  So I guess if you're a male cheerleader, you're getting to skull and bones?
[00:18:41]  I am...
[00:18:42]  Boggled.
[00:18:43]  Why?
[00:18:44]  That's totally exactly what you would expect.
[00:18:46]  I know, that is what you would expect.
[00:18:49]  But it's like, of all things?
[00:18:51]  Yep.
[00:18:52]  Of all things?
[00:18:53]  Do you know what's going on right now?
[00:18:56]  Men must adhere to the strict rules and roles that I have delineated for them because they're divinely inspired or something.
[00:19:05]  I just...
[00:19:06]  And it's like you don't even know anything about male cheerleading.
[00:19:10]  At the time, there's a massive competitive cheerleading thing going on.
[00:19:14]  And the male cheerleaders are incredibly important to the success of all.
[00:19:17]  Building a base.
[00:19:18]  It's amazing.
[00:19:20]  People to stand on.
[00:19:21]  Talented and masculine if you want.
[00:19:23]  I don't know.
[00:19:23]  Sure.
[00:19:24]  Why are you just screaming male cheerleaders?
[00:19:26]  This is just another version of the, like, you can't trust a male nurse.

=== Restrictions on Immigrant IDs (05:40) ===

[00:19:29]  Yeah, totally.
[00:19:30]  Totally.
[00:19:31]  These things are feminine intrinsically.
[00:19:34]  Excuse me.
[00:19:35]  Stewardess.
[00:19:36]  No, sir, sir, sir, I know you're a man, but if you're doing this job...
[00:19:41]  Yeah, ridiculous, but totally expected.
[00:19:45]  So Alex has a guest on this show, and it's somebody that I have not heard on his show before, and it's a character by the name of John Andrews, who is at this point, he was the president of the Colorado State Senate, and he has been pushing for...
[00:20:01]  Tighter controls on what identification people can use.
[00:20:05]  Things like the consular matricula cards, like the Mexican consulate.
[00:20:10]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:20:10]  They can give out these identification cards to Mexican nationals living in the United States.
[00:20:15]  Right.
[00:20:16]  And he is mad about this.
[00:20:17]  And so we're going to talk about it a little bit.
[00:20:20]  Okay.
[00:20:20]  Now we have these matricula cards.
[00:20:23]  Mexico started issuing them a few years ago.
[00:20:25]  Now 800 plus U.S. cities.
[00:20:28]  Aren't accepting them.
[00:20:29]  You can go buy one for $24.
[00:20:31]  Now Poland, Guatemala's issuing their own cards.
[00:20:35]  Up in Minnesota, they're announcing that they're not going to comply with the feds.
[00:20:40]  I'm going after illegal aliens.
[00:20:43]  This is insane.
[00:20:45]  Totally insane.
[00:20:46]  And we're honored to have joining us Colorado Senate President John Andrews.
[00:20:50]  And he's in a big story in the Denver Post, in the Associated Press, in a bunch of articles.
[00:20:55]  He's proposed a state law.
[00:20:57]  And it is the state's job to tell the cities to knock it off and to stop their racketeering, basically, and that's my word, empowering felons.
[00:21:07]  Hey, knock it off, cities.
[00:21:09]  Wait.
[00:21:11]  Empowering felons.
[00:21:12]  Yep.
[00:21:13]  Well, I mean, that's just, you know, undocumented immigrants are automatically felons to him.
[00:21:17]  Automatically felons, of course.
[00:21:18]  So, just to clear up what Alex is talking about, matricula cards are photo IDs that the Mexican consulate can issue to Mexican nationals living outside of Mexico.
[00:21:26]  These are very helpful, particularly for Mexican immigrants living in the United States for a number of reasons.
[00:21:31]  The first is that they allow consulates to be able to track and locate people much easier than they would be able to otherwise in the case of, like, an emergency.
[00:21:39]  The second reason is that they are considered valid ID by many states, thus allowing immigrants of any documentation status to apply for a driver's license, and it allows them to pay taxes.
[00:21:50]  Further, since the matricula card is a valid ID, they allow folks the ability to open bank accounts, which is pretty important.
[00:21:58]  One thing they don't do is confer any sort of immigration status upon the holder of one of these cards.
[00:22:04]  It's just a secure, official, difficult-to-forge form of identification that makes everyone's life easier that these guys are super against.
[00:22:12]  So, essentially, because states and America won't just give people IDs without having already...
[00:22:19]  Got photo IDs or whatever.
[00:22:22]  This has to exist.
[00:22:23]  Because Mexico, it has to exist.
[00:22:26]  That's one thing.
[00:22:27]  And then there's a bunch of other reasons.
[00:22:29]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:22:29]  Like being able to know where citizens of Mexico are.
[00:22:34]  No, no, you'd want to know that.
[00:22:36]  Alex is interviewing this guy, John Andrews, the then president of the Colorado Senate, about a bill he was championing called Colorado House Bill 1224, the Secure and Verifiable Identity Act.
[00:22:48]  This act wasn't designed to have the Mexican consulate stop issuing these cards, because that would have been a violation of the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations.
[00:22:58]  Instead, this act was aimed at making it so state and local agencies in Colorado could, quote, only accept secure and verifiable documents, which then was defined as not being these things.
[00:23:10]  This was essentially just a bill designed to make immigrants' lives more difficult by doing things like making it so people who have consular ID cards can't use them to get driver's licenses or bank accounts.
[00:23:21]  Folks like Andrews often try to couch their motivations as being about keeping people safe and making sure that people can't exploit the system.
[00:23:27]  But the reality is that this kind of bullshit hurts a lot more people than just undocumented immigrants.
[00:23:33]  And it would be really naive to imagine that Andrews isn't aware of that.
[00:23:36]  Yeah.
[00:23:36]  In 2006, a report was released by the Brennan Center for Justice titled Citizens Without Proof.
[00:23:42]  which was aimed at analyzing the effect that these restrictions on getting identification have, or have the potential to have, on U.S. citizens themselves.
[00:23:50]  They found that 7% of U.S. citizens do not have ready access to the documents that would be required to get a driver's license under these new laws.
[00:23:59]  Though, they would qualify to get one.
[00:24:01]  They should, but they just don't have the documents to get them.
[00:24:04]  However, this number actually goes up to 12% when you only include people who make under $25,000 a year.
[00:24:11]  There you go.
[00:24:11]  Additionally, 34% of women of voting age had a document that proved their citizenship, but it wasn't something that included their current legal name.
[00:24:20]  Oh, yeah, well.
[00:24:21]  So these are real difficulties that people who are citizens would have under these restrictions.
[00:24:28]  Right.
[00:24:30]  All in the sake of essential, you know, racism and just control over the electorate.
[00:24:35]  Trying to punish immigrants, basically, for what they consider, like, trespassing.
[00:24:39]  Yeah, if you can't ban people...
[00:24:43]  Then you can just make their lives miserable enough that they won't want to be there.
[00:24:48]  That's the other plan, I guess.
[00:24:51]  So, also, I want to let you know what kind of a shithead this guy John Andrews is.

=== Clarifying Religious Freedom (03:26) ===

[00:24:55]  So I'm going to read to you an excerpt from a speech he gave at the 2019 Western Conservative Summit.
[00:25:00]  The theme of this gathering was Defending Religious Freedom and America's First Amendment.
[00:25:05]  Segregation now, segregation then, segregation forever!
[00:25:10]  So he begins by extolling how great and important religious freedom is.
[00:25:14]  Quote, Unless every American is free to honor God as conscience may guide, and to obey God in the public square as long as no one else is harmed, unless we are free in that precious way, we are not free at all.
[00:25:26]  So far, so good!
[00:25:27]  As long as he's talking about all religious beliefs and also the absence of religious belief, I can go along with him.
[00:25:33]  Absolutely not.
[00:25:34]  Well, he loses me pretty fast.
[00:25:36]  Okay.
[00:25:36]  I'm going to read this whole quote, even though it's a bit long, because I want to preserve the context.
[00:25:41]  Okay.
[00:25:41]  Quote, now let's talk about what freedom of religion does not mean.
[00:25:45]  All right.
[00:25:46]  I will speak with tough love from the heart, with no animosity or ill will toward any person.
[00:25:51]  Let me, please hear me carefully.
[00:25:53]  Suppose somebody originated a belief system that claimed exclusive right to revelation, the command from above, and harnessed that aggressive claim to a burning sense of victimization, the wound from within.
[00:26:06]  What a loose cannon that would be.
[00:26:08]  Suppose its claim of revelation included a totalitarian political and economic system, not subject to reformation, set forth in a holy book, not subject to revision.
[00:26:17]  Suppose its legal scholars and clergy insisted the day is coming when that book must govern all mankind on penalty of death to whoever would refuse to submit.
[00:26:43]  I'm talking about the belief system called Islam.
[00:26:46]  See, now what's so odd about that...
[00:26:49]  Well, I know what you're getting at.
[00:26:52]  I was worried that he was a radical Islamist saying the exact same thing about Christianity.
[00:26:58]  That's so weird.
[00:26:59]  So this asshole is making the statement that Islam isn't protected by the freedom of religion in 2019.
[00:27:06]  He goes on to clarify his statement by saying, quote...
[00:27:09]  It's true.
[00:27:09]  We all know Muslims who are likable neighbors or capable co-workers, decent patriotic Americans who humbly love Allah.
[00:27:16]  That's not what I'm talking about.
[00:27:18]  What?
[00:27:18]  But that's absolutely what he's talking about.
[00:27:20]  That's absolutely what he's talking about!
[00:27:22]  When he claims that a belief system called Islam is this horribly murderous totalitarian victimhood-obsessed cult that includes a quarter of the world's population, he's including in that slur the nice Muslim neighbors he's pretending to not be talking about.
[00:27:35]  This is abject demonization of all Muslims, pretending to be in opposition to terrorism.
[00:27:39]  Just a few paragraphs after he says that he's not talking about the nice Muslim neighbors, he literally says, quote, Fuck this dude.
[00:27:59]  Wow.
[00:27:59]  In that speech, he goes on to say, quote, Wow.

=== Mexicans Recolonizing America? (16:10) ===

[00:28:14]  That's on you!
[00:28:16]  Yeah, that's your problem.
[00:28:17]  That's an easy fix.
[00:28:19]  Go fuck yourself.
[00:28:21]  Yep.
[00:28:21]  He goes on to say that Americans need to name their two enemies, who are Marx and Muhammad.
[00:28:26]  Oh, man.
[00:28:28]  It sure seems like it's just that guy.
[00:28:30]  Yep.
[00:28:31]  John Andrews sucks, and his actions in 2003 as a part of the Colorado Senate are motivated by the same things that motivate his intense hatred of Islam.
[00:28:40]  He's a xenophobic asshole who views America as a white Christian country, and he's dedicated to pursuing politics that support that view.
[00:28:47]  The only thing I'm left in confusion about...
[00:28:49]  Like, when I look into this guy, he's like, why is he not still a regular guest on Infowars?
[00:28:53]  Yeah, that's surprising.
[00:28:54]  Seems like he should be working there by now.
[00:28:56]  I mean, is he still elected to anything?
[00:28:59]  No.
[00:28:59]  Yeah, well.
[00:29:00]  No, no, no.
[00:29:01]  Then he should be.
[00:29:02]  Yeah.
[00:29:02]  So, I find this guy to be sort of a boring racist.
[00:29:08]  He's a real piece of shit!
[00:29:09]  Yeah.
[00:29:09]  He's a real piece of shit!
[00:29:11]  I don't like that you can just still say things 16 years after that.
[00:29:15]  You know?
[00:29:16]  Like, 16 years is a long time for the world to not change.
[00:29:21]  That's brutal.
[00:29:22]  Yeah.
[00:29:23]  So, Andrews has this...
[00:29:26]  Hey, man.
[00:29:27]  This isn't about bashing Mexicans, I assure you.
[00:29:30]  And then, he goes on to cite somebody that it's almost amazing that he would cite.
[00:29:37]  It's not about bashing Mexicans.
[00:29:38]  It's about the rule of law and whether we take U.S. national sovereignty.
[00:29:43]  Seriously.
[00:29:44]  At the congressional hearing last week from Iowa, of all places, Iowa, long, long ways from the Mexican border, Congressman Steve King of Iowa told of going to see a school principal in suburban Des Moines, a Hispanic guy, an educator, who had signed an ad protesting King's immigration concerns.
[00:30:05]  And King says to the gentleman, what's your problem?
[00:30:08]  And this Hispanic American, presumably a U.S. citizen, an educator, someone in charge of molding the minds of kids, says, look, brother, we didn't cross the border.
[00:30:18]  The border crossed us.
[00:30:19]  We're in the process of getting this corner of the country back, and we want to thank you because we're getting it back, potentially improved from the condition in which we lost it in the 1840s.
[00:30:29]  Pretty amazing story.
[00:30:31]  Are you telling me that noted massive racist Steve King from Iowa spoke to a very real person who told him that Mexico is taking Iowa back?
[00:30:45]  Do I understand that correctly?
[00:30:47]  Yeah, I heard that and was like, wow, that's not a true story.
[00:30:49]  I 100% believe that totally true story.
[00:30:53]  I love that this really fake story that Steve King told is now being repeated by this Colorado state senator to Alex to defend his racist political ideas.
[00:31:03]  This incredible racist made up a very racist story that I am going to share with you to defend myself and say that I am not a racist.
[00:31:11]  So there was no alleged Hispanic teacher who told Steve King that they were recolonizing the country and that they appreciated that America had made some improvements to the play Hey, I love it.
[00:31:22]  But I think that there's a couple of points that jump out as the most interesting.
[00:31:38]  The first is that this story is meant to evoke the feeling of someone taking advantage of the hard work that you've done.
[00:31:44]  These supposed Mexican folks who are going to take the country over are going to exploit the fruits of our hard labor.
[00:31:50]  This is a particular fear for white nationalists, because on some level, they're aware that this is exactly what the United States and other Western countries did through colonialism, and that without the exploitation of other populations and their resources, they wouldn't have the affluence that they enjoy today.
[00:32:05]  There's an unspoken admission of we have it coming.
[00:32:08]  Being all freaked out about some terrifying foreign group coming to enjoy that affluence on our expense, that's on some level an expression of guilt that these folks will never really process or be in touch with, which they should probably get some therapy.
[00:32:21]  Totally.
[00:32:22]  The second thing that I think is really fucked up about this fake story that Andrews is relating has to do with the characterization of this fictional Hispanic guy.
[00:32:29]  He's telling Steve King that he's part of this effort to recolonize Des Moines and the rest of the United States, and you'll notice that Andrew specifically points out that this man is presumably a legal resident of the United States.
[00:32:41]  Presumably?
[00:32:42]  This isn't explicitly laid out in the story, but this is a detail that exists in the telling to make the audience afraid of all immigrants, even if they're here legally and fully documented.
[00:32:51]  It's the same mentality that exists in his 2019 comments about you can't be a faithful Muslim and a faithful American.
[00:32:59]  It's targeting and demonizing the entire group while pretending that's not what you're doing.
[00:33:04]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:33:05]  And the idea, that subtle, like, just saying presumably he's a U.S. citizen is a...
[00:33:12]  Simple way of saying, you can't tell if they're U.S. citizens by looking at them.
[00:33:17]  And even if they are, maybe they're not.
[00:33:19]  Exactly.
[00:33:20]  Yeah.
[00:33:20]  Even if they look like they're a U.S. citizen.
[00:33:22]  Hey, even if they're your teacher, they might be undocumented.
[00:33:25]  Everybody could be an illegal alien.
[00:33:28]  So just based on your sight, go ahead and assume.
[00:33:31]  Yeah.
[00:33:32]  This is how someone like Steve King or John Andrews can pretend that their politics and beliefs are about national security or the rule of law, but the actual message they're putting forth is one of white nationalism and xenophobia.
[00:33:42]  Just because a Hispanic guy that Steve King made up is here legally, that doesn't mean that he's not also part of an effort to recolonize the United States.
[00:33:51]  Blah.
[00:33:51]  Also, it's really hilarious that the example Andrews went with immediately of somebody who is like an expert on these things is Steve King.
[00:33:58]  Someone who's now synonymous with white nationalism and racism in the same way that Strom Thurmond was in another generation.
[00:34:06]  Really, really took it to another level for him.
[00:34:09]  I think that this says it all.
[00:34:12]  NPR, when Steve King lost his re-election bid in 2020, I even think that this headline's a little generous.
[00:34:19]  Quote, Iowa rep Steve King, known for racist comments, loses re-election bid.
[00:34:24]  I think that's generous.
[00:34:25]  That might be generous.
[00:34:27]  Yeah.
[00:34:27]  I would have even gone so far as to challenge him, like that Marine Le Pen kind of way of like...
[00:34:34]  Hey, Steve King, massive racist, loses re-election bid.
[00:34:38]  Sue us!
[00:34:39]  Yeah, you don't want to get bogged down, though.
[00:34:41]  Let's see what happens.
[00:34:41]  It's a hassle.
[00:34:42]  I want to legally call you a racist.
[00:34:44]  Mm-hmm.
[00:34:45]  So there's this initiative that John Andrews is putting forth, and that is this idea that you don't want places to accept these matricula cards as acceptable forms of identification.
[00:34:57]  Sure, sure.
[00:34:58]  Because then you can make it so they can't use them to get a state ID or a driver's license.
[00:35:03]  No, you don't want that.
[00:35:04]  Those things do not confer immigration status.
[00:35:08]  Even if you get a driver's license, it doesn't mean, aha, you're now secretly Sure, sure.
[00:35:14]  No, I didn't.
[00:35:15]  I understand.
[00:35:15]  But he wants every official place to not recognize this.
[00:35:19]  And Alex has a really fucked up way that he talks about how, like, all the states need to get on board.
[00:35:25]  I do hope people will visit coloradosenate.com and learn more about the bill and encourage legislators in their states to follow suit, just like we're encouraging the U.S. Congress to follow suit.
[00:35:35]  And if there's more terror and it's an illegal, and you know it's going to be an illegal...
[00:35:40]  It's gonna be their fault.
[00:35:42]  That's fucked up.
[00:35:43]  Wow.
[00:35:43]  And it's really interesting as a thing for Alex to be saying, because it absolutely contradicts literally everything he believes about the balance between liberty and security.
[00:35:52]  He constantly rails on things like the Patriot Act, and one of his biggest and fairly defensible problems with it is that it was sold to the American people using fear.
[00:36:01]  The idea was that if the folks in national security couldn't expand their abilities to operate, thereby encroaching on people's liberty, then that would make the next terrorist attack more likely, because national security can't.
[00:36:12]  Sure!
[00:36:17]  essentially the same argument Alex is using here.
[00:36:19]  Yes, exactly.
[00:36:19]  If I took Alex seriously and thought his beliefs meant anything to him, I would say that this was really strange and hypocritical way for him to support this bill against accepting IDs.
[00:36:29]  Because I know as much about him as I do, I know that this really isn't a contradiction for him.
[00:36:34]  Because in his mind, the Patriot Act hurts white people, so it's bad.
[00:36:38]  Whereas the Colorado bill is designed to target Hispanic people, so Alex is fine with it.
[00:36:42]  Yeah.
[00:36:42]  This is not a small point, and I would be remiss if I didn't point out that these state-level pushes to use the fear of terrorism to restrict various forms of ID from being acceptable, that was the beginning of a trend that would come to a head when Congress enacted Public Law 109-13 in May 2005.
[00:37:01]  This was part of the, quote, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief.
[00:37:09]  Page 82 of the bill, in Division B, Title II, Section 202, new standards were laid out for what documents were necessary for states to determine a person's identity for any official purpose, including issuing IDs or driver's license, and naturally, the standard became much higher, and states were required to adhere to a federal minimum requirement in terms of what they considered a proof of identity.
[00:37:32]  Great.
[00:37:32]  Predictably, Alex and his weirdo friends were all up in arms and furious about the Real ID Act because it affects the only group that matters to them, people who look like them.
[00:37:42]  They tend to forget that the precursor to these evil ID laws was their own agitating against accepting things like consular IDs as acceptable forms of identification, and that the same arguments and stoking fears of imaginary Mexicans trying to recolonize or terrorists hiding in immigrant communities that they used to pursue their goals were used to push the Real ID Act.
[00:38:02]  Yeah.
[00:38:03]  And you even hear John Ankerberg We're pushing Congress to take action on this on a federal level.
[00:38:09]  The thing that is most annoying about Republicans constantly hoisting themselves upon their own petard is that they have to hoist the rest of us on it with them.
[00:38:18]  True.
[00:38:18]  And you can see that this is one of the really great examples that's really clear about how Alex gets it coming and going.
[00:38:25]  Yep.
[00:38:25]  He can create a problem and then also profit off complaining about that problem being created.
[00:38:31]  Yep.
[00:38:32]  And again, when I say created, I don't mean single-handedly.
[00:38:35]  Individually, yes.
[00:38:35]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:38:36]  No, of course.
[00:38:37]  And in the interest of fairness, I guess you could make the argument that Alex would be fine with these real IDs as long as they were run by the state as opposed to the federal government.
[00:38:44]  And that may seem like a good point at first, but it's not.
[00:38:48]  The first reason is that if the argument is that you need more restrictive rules about identification, because if you don't, there will be terrorist attacks or Mexicans are going to recolonize the country.
[00:38:57]  That's not a state-level issue.
[00:38:59]  If just one state has super lax standards for identification, then there wouldn't be anything stopping these imaginary terrorists from going to that state using a consular ID to get a driver's license, which would then be recognized by all the states that have implemented these restrictive ID guidelines.
[00:39:15]  Man, that seems so obvious.
[00:39:18]  let's say that like you handled gun laws at like a state level and so some states had really strict gun laws and other states had really lax gun laws like say you were Illinois right you were living in Chicago and then just just like mere mere miles away the gun laws were very very lax you know That wouldn't cause trouble.
[00:39:40]  Oh, okay, good.
[00:39:41]  That would be totally fine.
[00:39:42]  Oh, okay, that's nice.
[00:39:43]  Yeah, I think that there are many things that are appropriate to be run state by state.
[00:39:49]  And then there are other things that are larger issues that affect everybody.
[00:39:53]  And those things kind of need to have universally applied policies or else they're useless.
[00:39:59]  And stopping terror is one of them, if that's the argument you're going to use.
[00:40:03]  Or the recolonization of America.
[00:40:06]  Yeah, you gotta stop that.
[00:40:08]  You don't want Mexico taking Iowa anytime soon.
[00:40:11]  Then they're gonna vote.
[00:40:14]  Yeah, so this federal-state distinction that Alex would be using just doesn't make sense in this context.
[00:40:20]  And then the second reason that this isn't really a case where that, like, state...
[00:40:25]  All right.
[00:40:49]  Folks, it's Friday.
[00:40:50]  We've got two hours left.
[00:40:52]  We've got Glenn Spencer, one of my favorite guests, to come on to talk about the destruction of America and our sovereignty, how illegal aliens get more welfare, more tuition, more rights, are allowed to have fake ID cards that anyone can get.
[00:41:07]  Basically dozens of.
[00:41:09]  So just to be clear, Alex hasn't demonstrated in any way that it's easy to get multiple consular IDs, nor has he proven that undocumented immigrants get more government assistance, nor that they have more rights than citizens.
[00:41:21]  All evidence which points to the exact opposite being true in every facet.
[00:41:25]  This is just legitimately only his extreme white victimhood complex speaking.
[00:41:31]  I don't love that Glenn Spencer is Alex's other guest on this episode.
[00:41:35]  This whole thing might as well just be one long attack on immigrants, particularly those from Mexico.
[00:41:40]  That's what this episode is.
[00:41:41]  We've talked about Spencer in the past, but it's been a while, so let me refresh your memory a little bit.
[00:41:46]  He's that total asshole who founded a group called the American Border Patrol, who essentially pretended to be law enforcement guarding the border.
[00:41:53]  This was really the vanguard of this type of activity, since Glenn was doing that shit back in the early 2000s.
[00:41:59]  Flash forward to 2019 and you have militia members deputizing themselves to guard the border and actually detaining immigrants.
[00:42:06]  Larry Hopkins was arrested for being a felon in possession of a gun, which he should have been arrested for long prior since it stemmed from a 2017 raid.
[00:42:14]  This was in 2019.
[00:42:16]  Law enforcement just let him go for those...
[00:42:22]  Nah, he was a good boy.
[00:42:29]  You gotta let him out.
[00:42:30]  What, are you gonna hold him on bail?
[00:42:31]  He's a good boy!
[00:42:33]  Get him out there on the streets!
[00:42:34]  He was inspired in no small part by Trump and Tucker and Alex's constant fear-mongering about the immigrant caravan set to blow up the southern border.
[00:42:42]  Also, his group's former spokesman, James Benvey, left the UCP to start his own border militia called the Guardian Patriots, but then he was arrested and...
[00:42:51]  sent to prison for 21 months on two counts of impersonating a border patrol agent anyway the point is in the how did they catch him in the present day we have a lot of right-wing xenophobic shitheads who think they're entitled to cosplay as law enforcement because they're white glenn spencer was one of the leaders in that world and probably a hero to all the dum-dums out there today Glenn is also one of the main proponents of the Aztlan conspiracy theory, which Alex subscribes to.
[00:43:17]  This is essentially the belief that Mexican immigration is an explicit plan to take back over the Southwest states.
[00:43:24]  The SPLC quotes Spencer from a 2000 rally.
[00:43:28]  Quote, The dream of conquering Astlan lies deep in the heart of the Mexican psyche.
[00:43:32]  This explains why some are willing to risk death.
[00:43:35]  Their goal is more than jobs.
[00:43:37]  It is conquest.
[00:43:38]  They believe what they're doing is noble.
[00:43:40]  They're defying the gringo to take back what is rightfully Mexico's.
[00:43:44]  To which every Mexican in the world replied, what the fuck are you talking about?
[00:43:49]  If you believe what Spencer promotes, it's really hard to see how you could be so against illegal immigration for this reason, but somehow totally cool with legal immigration.
[00:43:58]  It seems like just sloppily disguised white nationalism.

=== Speaking the Unspeakable (03:03) ===

[00:44:01]  Ah, if they migrate illegally, then they'll take back their country, but if they migrate legally, then they won't take back their country.
[00:44:08]  So in fact, what we should do is make it easier for them to migrate legally.
[00:44:13]  Their argument is that if they migrate legally, they won't take over the country.
[00:44:16]  Well, that's an interesting argument, and I'd like to see what he would have to say to that.
[00:44:19]  I think he would say that we should just keep them all out.
[00:44:22]  Right.
[00:44:22]  Yeah.
[00:44:23]  Also, it should be said that Glenn Spencer was also a fervent anti-Semite.
[00:44:27]  In 2008, he posted an article on his blog titled, quote, Speaking the Unspeakable is Jew-controlled Hollywood brainwashing Americans.
[00:44:37]  Speaking the Unspeakable yet has been spoken repeatedly for thousands of years.
[00:44:42]  The unspeakable that has been repeated nonstop.
[00:44:47]  Yeah.
[00:44:47]  So in that article, he argues that liberal Jews who control Hollywood are trying to insert pro-immigrant propaganda into everything they release so as to, I guess, make America less white.
[00:44:57]  I think that's what he's saying.
[00:44:59]  And that's the unspeakable?
[00:45:00]  Yes.
[00:45:00]  And it wasn't spoken at any time before this, obviously.
[00:45:04]  Right?
[00:45:04]  So at the end of the article, he includes a link to an essay titled Understanding Jewish Influence, written by Kevin MacDonald.
[00:45:12]  MacDonald is essentially a neo-Nazi, and if not that, he's at least the academic who most neo-Nazis point to in order to defend their neo-Nazism.
[00:45:20]  You're an honorary neo-Nazi, then.
[00:45:22]  Oh, yeah.
[00:45:23]  From an SPLC article about MacDonald and the three books he wrote about Jewish people.
[00:45:28]  McDonald's basic premise is that Jews engage in group evolutionary strategy that serves to enhance their ability to outcompete non-Jews for resources.
[00:45:37]  Although normally a tiny minority in their host countries, Jews like viruses destabilize their host societies to their own benefit, McDonald argues.
[00:45:46]  Because this Jewish group behavior is said to have produced much financial and intellectual success over the years, McDonald claims it has also produced understandable hatred for Jews by Gentiles.
[00:45:57]  That means that antisemitism, rather than being an irrational hatred for Jews, is actually a logical reaction to Jewish success.
[00:46:04]  In other words, the Nazis, like many other antisemites, were only antisemitic because they were countering a genuine Jewish threat to their well-being.
[00:46:12]  It's not their fault!
[00:46:13]  Holy shit!
[00:46:14]  It's not their fault!
[00:46:15]  So the fact that Spencer linked to McDonald's essay in this post is what you might call a tell.
[00:46:21]  Spencer is against immigration, but he also believes that the Jews are the ones trying to bring in immigrants somehow as an attack on the country and produce pro-immigrant propaganda in Hollywood and all this.
[00:46:32]  I mean, Spencer says as much as this stuff in his own article.
[00:46:35]  Quote, I have many Jewish friends and they have been extremely instrumental in fighting illegal immigration.
[00:46:40]  I fear, however, that this small handful of patriotic Americans are far outnumbered by liberal Jews who now have total control over our media.
[00:46:49]  Wild.
[00:46:49]  Anyway, this anti-Semitic racist xenophobic shithead who was the precursor to the modern militia dum-dums pretending to be cops and patrolling the border is one of Alex's favorite guests.

=== Gold Bars Debunked (05:06) ===

[00:46:59]  Hey!
[00:46:59]  It's always nice to go back and see what the past was like, you know?
[00:47:03]  What a non-surprise.
[00:47:05]  You know, it's always...
[00:47:07]  When you come full circle, you know, there's a narrative satisfaction even if there's not an emotional satisfaction.
[00:47:15]  Wow.
[00:47:16]  Yeah.
[00:47:16]  So, Alex...
[00:47:19]  Doesn't talk too much about Iraq, the war.
[00:47:22]  Sure.
[00:47:23]  He's still against it.
[00:47:24]  Well, I mean, yeah.
[00:47:25]  He believes that there aren't weapons of mass destruction, which good on him.
[00:47:28]  Yeah, fair.
[00:47:29]  But he does have some interesting takes that I enjoyed and I looked into a little bit, which was kind of fun.
[00:47:37]  All right.
[00:47:38]  They reported in the BBC about two months ago that Tariq Aziz, the Iraqi foreign minister...
[00:47:44]  Was to be paid upwards of four and a half million dollars a year.
[00:47:50]  It was almost three million pounds a year, so over four million U.S. And that he was going to live on a hundred plus thousand acre palace of Prince Charles and was to be given armed bodyguards, helicopter escort, into the shopping centers, into London.
[00:48:09]  I mean, lavish lifestyle.
[00:48:11]  Quote!
[00:48:11]  If he would inform on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.
[00:48:14]  Now, I don't know where that story went.
[00:48:16]  Where is Tariq Aziz?
[00:48:18]  We hear no discussions of him now.
[00:48:20]  They admit they paid off Iraqi Republican Guard leaders before the war in gold bars.
[00:48:25]  Gold bars!
[00:48:27]  Gold bars!
[00:48:27]  So, real quick, that question about Tariq Aziz, I can answer that very easily.
[00:48:31]  Sure.
[00:48:32]  He was actually also not the foreign minister at this point.
[00:48:35]  That was a position he held from 1983 to 1991.
[00:48:38]  At the time of the invasion, he was actually the deputy prime minister of Iraq.
[00:48:42]  Yeah, he's a pretty important dude.
[00:48:44]  So, this episode that we're listening to is from June 27, 2003, and Alex is asking, where is Tariq Aziz?
[00:48:49]  As if to imply that he's somewhere enjoying his life or whatever.
[00:48:52]  Sure, sure, he's on a tropical beach somewhere.
[00:48:54]  No, no.
[00:48:55]  Oh, no.
[00:48:55]  He was captured on April 24, 2003, and held in Camp Cropper in Baghdad.
[00:49:00]  Sure.
[00:49:00]  He would remain in custody until June 2015, when he died of a heart attack.
[00:49:05]  Oh.
[00:49:05]  So Alex is super wrong about this one.
[00:49:07]  It's good that they let him free after the heart attack.
[00:49:09]  Yes.
[00:49:09]  Yeah.
[00:49:10]  I've heard Alex say that the Iraqi Republican Guard was paid off with gold bars a bunch of times, and I just kind of ignored it, because I was like, this is stupid.
[00:49:16]  But this time, I wanted to dig in and see if I could figure out where this idea came from.
[00:49:21]  And I think I did.
[00:49:22]  Apparently, in 2003, some U.S. soldiers in Iraq detained three people that they stopped in a car that they felt might have been heading towards the Iranian border.
[00:49:30]  Their probable cause to search them was that, quote, the driver's paperwork and ID didn't match the vehicle registration.
[00:49:37]  In the bed of the truck, the soldiers found 999 bars of, quote, crudely made non-minted gold bars that they estimated were worth between $80 and $100 million.
[00:49:47]  Nice!
[00:49:48]  Good work, guys.
[00:49:49]  Obviously, this is weird, but to make things even stranger, quote, two days earlier, soldiers stopped another Mercedes dump truck on its way towards the Syrian border, hauling a load of 2,000 gold bars that looked very similar to the ones seized on Monday.
[00:50:03]  Then, in June, another truck with 1,183 ingots that were suspected to be gold were intercepted by soldiers at a routine checkpoint.
[00:50:14]  This is very exciting stuff.
[00:50:15]  So these would definitely not be gold bars that were used to pay someone off.
[00:50:20]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[00:50:21]  Because there was an article in the Chicago Tribune about this that said, quote, these bars aren't pure, like the bouillon found at Fort Knox, but crudely melted bricks of jewelry.
[00:50:31]  So, yeah, so it's most likely that they're all a bunch of rich people trying to smelt down their bullshit as they flee the country.
[00:50:38]  Well, the leading theory as of June was that the gold was the gold that Saddam Hussein had encouraged Iraqi citizens to donate for his war effort against Iran.
[00:50:46]  Quote, rich businessmen, many Iraqis recall, were expected to cough up three to five pounds of gold or face a visit from Hussein's goon squads.
[00:50:54]  The speculation was that this was a sophisticated and organized group plundering.
[00:50:58]  Yeah, that's fun.
[00:51:04]  By August, however, there had been some analyses on the gold bars, and it turned out that they weren't actually gold.
[00:51:09]  It just looked like it.
[00:51:11]  Sure.
[00:51:11]  From a New York Times article, quote, gold-colored bars seized by American troops in Iraq appear to be melted-down shell casings made mostly of copper rather than gold.
[00:51:20]  All right.
[00:51:20]  Okay.
[00:51:21]  It was mostly copper and zinc.
[00:51:22]  It was mostly copper and zinc.
[00:51:23]  Okay.
[00:51:24]  Yep.
[00:51:24]  If Alex had another source on this story, I'm happy to check it out, but it seems like...
[00:51:28]  It's almost certain that this real-life story is the one that he has distorted into being about globalists paying off bad party officials and Republican guard with bars of gold.
[00:51:36]  Yeah, I mean, and it's not like we...
[00:51:37]  It's not like the United States didn't...
[00:51:39]  Pay a shit ton of money and then lose it and never find out where it went.

=== JFK's Legacy: Danger and Responsibility (12:39) ===

[00:51:44]  Or if they did, they didn't tell anybody that would stop them.
[00:51:49]  Fair enough.
[00:51:50]  That's true, but not the gold bars part.
[00:51:52]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:51:54]  Not the claim we're assessing.
[00:51:55]  No, no, no, totally.
[00:51:56]  It's believable that they lose a shit ton of money for corrupt purposes, but it's not this.
[00:52:02]  Yeah.
[00:52:03]  Alex has calls at this point, because Glenn Spencer is going to be in it a little bit.
[00:52:09]  He takes a call, and this guy is a complete weirdo.
[00:52:12]  And Alex jumps in to some very inaccurate JFK conspiracies.
[00:52:17]  Sure.
[00:52:17]  I believe this might sound a little crazy.
[00:52:20]  I feel in a way that you're kind of the same way.
[00:52:36]  By trying to bring out what's happening to the people, that you're being directed by God in the same way to try and save the world, essentially.
[00:52:46]  And I'd just like to say that to you before I bring up what I was going to talk about.
[00:52:51]  Well, Brett, let me just make a comment on that, and then I'll let you go on.
[00:52:54]  Look, but I'm not special.
[00:52:56]  President Kennedy wasn't special.
[00:52:58]  We're all led by God in our lives.
[00:53:00]  Yes, because God works through people, yes.
[00:53:03]  This is a test.
[00:53:04]  This is just a...
[00:53:06]  This is the junior varsity, the minor leagues here, before we go on to join the big team.
[00:53:16]  Let me add something.
[00:53:19]  Kennedy, for all his corruption and his womanizing and all the rest of it, changed his ways at the end, woke up, gave speeches at American University and other areas.
[00:53:28]  I have copies of them.
[00:53:30]  I have texts from the National Archives, Library of Congress.
[00:53:34]  I love video of this.
[00:53:35]  I can find it.
[00:53:36]  I know it exists.
[00:53:37]  Where he warned of a great corrupt influence that had taken over our government.
[00:53:41]  Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex.
[00:53:43]  And Kennedy was a hawk.
[00:53:46]  He was pro-war, pro-CIA, pro all this stuff.
[00:53:50]  And then suddenly he cut taxes, said, I'm abolishing the Federal Reserve.
[00:53:53]  I'm getting us out of Vietnam.
[00:53:54]  I'm going to scatter the CIA to the four winds.
[00:53:57]  He wouldn't go along with nuclear war.
[00:53:59]  He said no to the Northwoods plan, the U.S. government plan, to kill American citizens and blame it on foreign enemies.
[00:54:06]  When he saw Northwoods in 1962, that's when his whole outlook changed, and they assassinated him six months later.
[00:54:13]  This is a fun story that Alex is telling about JFK, but it's disconnected from history.
[00:54:19]  Yeah, all of it.
[00:54:20]  So one of the things that Alex is doing here is that he's intentionally fudging the timeline of events in order to create the appearance that things are more connected than they are.
[00:54:28]  Operation Northwoods was crafted and presented to JFK's Secretary of State, Robert McNamara, on March 13, 1962, who then briefed President Kennedy.
[00:54:38]  Alex is claiming that six months later, Kennedy was assassinated, but that didn't happen until November 19...
[00:54:43]  1963.
[00:54:44]  You know, it wouldn't sound as compelling if it's like he saw Northwoods and then a year and a half later he was assassinated.
[00:54:50]  Yeah, that's a little bit disconnected.
[00:54:52]  You compress that timeline and you make...
[00:54:54]  It's much more suspicious.
[00:54:55]  It sounds more like causality.
[00:54:57]  Sure, sure, sure.
[00:54:58]  Alex wants these things to feel closer in time in the audience's mind because that makes it feel like they're connected or even like one led to the other.
[00:55:05]  It's a rhetorical trick and it's a lie.
[00:55:07]  As for the other stuff, most of that's not true either.
[00:55:10]  Whatever you might say about JFK, one thing you cannot deny is that he was promoting globalism right up to the end.
[00:55:17]  On June 10th, 1963, a few months before he was assassinated, Kennedy gave a speech at commencement for American University, which is what Alex was referring to, and it's very easy to find that video if Alex would just look for it.
[00:55:29]  The speech was about the hope for reaching world peace.
[00:55:32]  Here's a little passage.
[00:55:33]  Some say that it is useless to speak of peace or world law or world disarmament, and that it will be useless until the leaders of the Soviet Union adopt a more enlightened attitude.
[00:55:43]  I hope they do.
[00:55:44]  I believe we can help them do it.
[00:55:46]  JFK supported world law, which necessitates a collective body that can enforce that law, like the UN.
[00:55:53]  Wait, is that why they killed him?
[00:55:55]  Ooh.
[00:55:56]  Speaking of the UN, later in that speech, he says, quote, We seek to strengthen the United Nations, to help solve its financial problems, to make it a more effective instrument for peace, to develop it into a genuine world security system, a system capable of resolving disputes on the basis of law.
[00:56:13]  Seems like exactly the sort of thing that Alex's version of him wouldn't say.
[00:56:17]  Okay, okay, let's throw this one out there.
[00:56:20]  All right, the Patriots...
[00:56:21]  Murdered JFK to keep the globalists from taking over.
[00:56:26]  And now Alex is running interference to make it look like it was the globalists all along, when in reality it was the Patriots.
[00:56:34]  Sure.
[00:56:35]  I'll go for that.
[00:56:35]  I mean, it was actually Timothy McVeigh, too.
[00:56:37]  On September 20th, 1963, even more close to the date of his assassination, JFK gave an address before the General Assembly of the UN.
[00:56:46]  I don't think Alex would love the sentiment that was expressed in this speech.
[00:56:50]  Quote, the fact remains that the United States as a major nuclear power does have a special responsibility in the world.
[00:56:57]  It is, in fact, a threefold responsibility.
[00:56:59]  A responsibility to our own citizens, a responsibility to the people of the world who are affected by our decisions, and to the next generation of humanity.
[00:57:07]  Alex doesn't think that we have responsibilities to the rest of the world, whether or not they've been affected by our decisions.
[00:57:13]  Like, one of his heroes was Ron Paul, and his big thing, like, one of them was eliminating literally all foreign aid.
[00:57:20]  The fucking slogan is America first.
[00:57:23]  Yeah.
[00:57:23]  Jesus.
[00:57:24]  In that speech from two months before he was assassinated, Kennedy talks with the UN about how essential international cooperation is to facing the problem.
[00:57:32]  And he brags about forming the Peace Corps that Alex hates.
[00:57:37]  Hey, now.
[00:57:38]  He ends his talk with a list of things he'd like to see in the world that Alex could make conspiracies of about all day.
[00:57:45]  Quote, a World Center for Health Communications under the World Health Organization could warn of epidemics and the adverse effects of certain drugs as well as transmit the results of new experiments and new discoveries.
[00:57:56]  And eventually, my good buddy Bill Clinton will become Secretary General of the UN.
[00:58:01]  Think about it.
[00:58:02]  Alex would be like, oh my god, they're trying to cause a plague.
[00:58:05]  Totally.
[00:58:06]  Absolutely.
[00:58:06]  But this one, quote, a global system of satellites could provide communications and weather information for all corners of the Earth.
[00:58:13]  And I'm sure that Alex would say that that's a spy system that Satan would use to track you.
[00:58:17]  Totally a spy system that Satan would use to track.
[00:58:19]  Now, obviously, we have essentially that right now, and it works great.
[00:58:22]  Or we have, quote, a worldwide program of conservation could protect the forest and wild game preserves, now in danger of extinction for all time.
[00:58:31]  Alex believes that conservationism is a globalist plot to destroy the beautiful cold...
[00:58:39]  Alex loves Bolsonaro, who's destroying the Amazon rainforest.
[00:58:45]  They're trying to prosecute him for fucking crimes against humanity for destroying the rainforest.
[00:58:51]  Yeah, Alex would be really disappointed to see JFK on this side of the fence.
[00:58:55]  Yeah.
[00:58:56]  And he would really hate this one.
[00:58:57]  Quote, we are opposed to apartheid and all forms of human oppression.
[00:59:02]  Like...
[00:59:02]  Alex doesn't like the, you know, apartheid's totally a racist system, but opposition to it is a communist plot.
[00:59:08]  Or at least that's what him and all his predecessors in the John Birch Society think.
[00:59:11]  Sure, sure.
[00:59:12]  We don't like the racism of apartheid.
[00:59:14]  We just hate that it's the communists trying to end apartheid.
[00:59:17]  If the capitalists were trying to end apartheid, now obviously they're benefiting from it and greatly enjoying it, so they're going to keep doing it.
[00:59:23]  But it's the communists that we don't like!
[00:59:26]  Come on, man!
[00:59:27]  Anyway, the JFK that Alex believes existed is a fabrication based on dumb...
[00:59:33]  Yeah.
[00:59:44]  That speech that included the line about secret societies was from April 1961, so it's quite a while before the relevant time period that Alex is talking about.
[00:59:52]  But it's one of the big pieces of evidence that always gets thrown around.
[00:59:55]  Like, every single conspiracy documentary includes that line about him mentioning secret societies.
[01:00:02]  Well, I mean, you mention secret societies once.
[01:00:04]  You know, it's never going to not be there.
[01:00:06]  Yeah, so Alex is trying to present that JFK heard about Northwoods, tried to warn people, and then he got killed.
[01:00:12]  And he's just mixing up the American University speech because if it's better in his timeline, it's all bullshit.
[01:00:18]  Right, right, right.
[01:00:18]  Also, it's really important to point out that that speech from 1961, from the one that Secret Society speech, that's...
[01:00:25]  Hugely misrepresented by conspiracy theorists.
[01:00:28]  What?
[01:00:29]  Why?
[01:00:29]  Here's the passage that they always use.
[01:00:31]  Quote, And that's why I fucked Joe DiMaggio's wife.
[01:00:54]  So that naturally is used to imply that this speech was a screed and a warning about secret forces at work behind the scenes.
[01:01:02]  Like Alex is presenting this.
[01:01:03]  Of course.
[01:01:04]  They're doing repugnant things.
[01:01:05]  But that's not true.
[01:01:06]  This passage was JFK softening things up before he asked for increased secrecy from the press regarding official matters.
[01:01:14]  Here's what comes just after that whole secrecy thing you see in just about every conspiracy documentary.
[01:01:19]  Quote, That's what we're trying to do.
[01:01:37]  But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to re-examine his own standards and to recognize the nature of our country's peril.
[01:01:45]  In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy.
[01:01:53]  In time of clear and present danger, the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.
[01:02:01]  Today, no war has been declared, and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion.
[01:02:08]  Our way of life is under attack.
[01:02:11]  Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe.
[01:02:14]  The survival of our friends is in danger, and yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.
[01:02:22]  If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security.
[01:02:32]  If you're awaiting a finding of a clear and present danger, then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear, and its presence has never been more imminent.
[01:02:46]  You guys are going to have to stop reporting some stuff because we're in danger because of the Soviet Union.
[01:02:52]  Listen, listen, listen, listen.
[01:02:55]  You don't want to erode public trust in our institutions, right?
[01:02:59]  That would really fuck us up.
[01:03:01]  See, one of the things that I think is remarkable is that context is almost always missing from the conversations about like, oh yeah, JFK gave these speeches about secret societies.
[01:03:10]  Sure, sure, sure, sure.
[01:03:11]  No, no, no, no, no.
[01:03:11]  Just because he used the word secret society doesn't mean that the point of this wasn't exactly...
[01:03:15]  the opposite of what these people try to present it as.
[01:03:19]  Right, but the point will always just be that if you say secret societies, regardless of the context of it, we can say that you were signaling Regardless of whether or not the totality.
[01:03:29]  Trying to warn the good people.
[01:03:30]  Exactly.
[01:03:31]  By saying those words, you were giving a code that people need to unravel.
[01:03:36]  Sure.
[01:03:36]  And then you're fucked.
[01:03:38]  JFK was not planning to abolish the Federal Reserve, and his proposed lowering of taxes wasn't completed by the time of his death, but it was seen through and eventually signed by LBJ in 1964.
[01:03:49]  Also, the quote about scattering the CIA to the winds is almost certainly not a real quote.
[01:03:53]  It didn't appear in print until 1966, and it was attributed to an anonymous source, and that was three years after his death.
[01:04:02]  There's no corroborating evidence that it was a position he had or that he ever said that.

=== Alex's JFK Lore (08:38) ===

[01:04:06]  He was definitely upset with the CIA after the Bay of Pigs, that's true, but the quote about scattering them to the wind is one that is very dubious sourcing.
[01:04:14]  Unlikely.
[01:04:15]  Yeah.
[01:04:17]  So yeah, I don't know.
[01:04:18]  Alex should know more about JFK and he doesn't seem to know anything.
[01:04:20]  It's really hard to know stuff about history.
[01:04:23]  I think whenever people confidently assert that they know something about a time period from the past, they are almost always wrong because just in order to know something happened, you need like a PhD level thesis on it.
[01:04:36]  And I think that Alex is invested in lore and fun stories.
[01:04:41]  Totally.
[01:04:42]  And so why would you threaten your ability to live in a fun world?
[01:04:46]  Yeah.
[01:04:47]  Full of myths and lore.
[01:04:49]  True.
[01:04:49]  True.
[01:04:50]  When the reality of things is complicated and there's details.
[01:04:54]  I mean, people really want to believe that there's a Loch Ness monster, you know?
[01:04:58]  Well, there is.
[01:05:00]  Moving on.
[01:05:01]  Fair point.
[01:05:02]  Alex, so this is something that I really love when it happens, when you can really tell.
[01:05:07]  So earlier in the episode...
[01:05:10]  John Andrews told a second-hand story that he heard from Steve King about a teacher in Des Moines trying to colonize America on behalf of Spanish people.
[01:05:18]  I can't be racist!
[01:05:19]  Let me tell you this story I heard from Steve King!
[01:05:22]  Right.
[01:05:22]  So we heard that.
[01:05:24]  Now here's Alex re-bringing it up and embellishing it later.
[01:05:28]  In the last hour I had Colorado Senate President John Andrews on, he talked about how another congressman from Iowa has been at town hall meetings and has talked to witnesses and has talked to community leaders who say, this is Mexico and we're getting rid of America and that's just the way it is.
[01:05:46]  So Mexico has been so arrogant...
[01:05:49]  So now Mexico, the entire country, the government of Mexico.
[01:05:56]  Fucking okay.
[01:05:57]  All right.
[01:05:57]  And you see now- Santa Ana's coming back is what we're saying here.
[01:06:00]  Yeah.
[01:06:01]  Gotcha.
[01:06:01]  Well, Alex will later, when he's talking to Glenn Spencer, like, so he was living in California and agitating against immigration.
[01:06:08]  Uh-huh.
[01:06:08]  And then he decided that California was a lost cause.
[01:06:11]  Sure.
[01:06:11]  So he moved to Arizona.
[01:06:12]  And Alex does say he moved to his Alamo.
[01:06:15]  So Santa Ana might be in play.
[01:06:18]  Santa Ana, the ghost of Santa Ana is definitely involved here.
[01:06:22]  But you can see how Alex lies.
[01:06:24]  Like, the story that John Andrews was telling was a lie itself.
[01:06:28]  Right.
[01:06:28]  So the stakes of maintaining the honesty of it are kind of low.
[01:06:31]  Doesn't matter.
[01:06:32]  But Alex has now added multiple people who are saying that Mexico is...
[01:06:36]  It's a team.
[01:06:36]  It's the Mexican government is involved.
[01:06:38]  The consulate is putting out the IDs just to generate.
[01:06:42]  Steve King had multiple people, community leaders, in fact, who have come up and told him, hey, we're taking it back.
[01:06:50]  We're taking Iowa.
[01:06:52]  I like a good, you can trace it back and even then the story's still a lie.
[01:06:58]  It's riddled with so many lies that when you trace it back to its source, you're just disappointed.
[01:07:04]  There isn't even anything fun or interesting there.
[01:07:06]  You're just like, oh, he's lying off of even another racist.
[01:07:10]  Yeah, Steve King made up a racist lie.
[01:07:13]  John Andrews heard it.
[01:07:14]  He told it to Alex and now Alex is embellishing on it.
[01:07:17]  It's ridiculous.
[01:07:19]  And like, look.
[01:07:21]  Even if you're on the right, shouldn't somebody telling you a story that is so perfectly tailored to your hatreds, shouldn't that give you a little signal of like, maybe this isn't a good story?
[01:07:36]  If I know anything from looking at a lot of this conspiracy stuff that exists online and...
[01:07:43]  Seeing how information is processed, I don't think that a lot of people in these worlds understand the notion of too good to be true.
[01:07:51]  I think that is a foreign idea.
[01:07:54]  The more perfectly tailored it is, the more perfectly believable it is.
[01:07:57]  It fits perfectly into what I would expect.
[01:08:00]  Then I don't even need to think about it.
[01:08:02]  Right, and especially when it's presented in meme form, so it's like super easily digestible.
[01:08:06]  It's too good to be true, it's gotta be true.
[01:08:09]  You know, if it's...
[01:08:10]  Conform so perfectly to your worst nightmare.
[01:08:14]  Maybe it's just a dream.
[01:08:16]  So Alex has this glowing introduction for Glenn Spencer.
[01:08:22]  Appreciate Glenn Spencer holding.
[01:08:24]  And coming up, we'll get to Ron and Spencer and others that are holding.
[01:08:27]  But right now, Glenn Spencer of AmericanPatrol.com, the organization American Border Patrol.
[01:08:34]  And they stand up against the racist Hispanic Ku Klux Klan of Mecha and La Raza.
[01:08:42]  They have Hispanic members, black members, you name it.
[01:08:44]  A lot of my friends are members right here in Austin, Texas.
[01:08:47]  What?
[01:08:47]  They stand up with 80-plus percent of the American people for controlling our borders and our sovereignty.
[01:08:53]  Glenn Spencer told us it was a war to take over our sovereignty years ago, that Washington was aiding and funding this along with President Bush and the Democrats.
[01:09:03]  He's been totally vindicated.
[01:09:05]  Totally vindicated.
[01:09:06]  Yeah, so Alex has buddies who are in Glenn Spencer's pretend fun, let's act like cops game.
[01:09:12]  That's great.
[01:09:13]  Yeah.
[01:09:13]  That's great.
[01:09:14]  A lot of good people in there.
[01:09:16]  A lot of good people just think, hey, you know what?
[01:09:19]  I need to go get a gun because an imaginary line will make me feel better.
[01:09:26]  Yep.
[01:09:27]  Cool.
[01:09:28]  I think that also this...
[01:09:31]  Introduces some dynamics for the interview that make it not very meaningful.
[01:09:38]  Are you sure it doesn't start off very adversarial?
[01:09:43]  No.
[01:09:44]  I don't know how much truth we're going to get to.
[01:09:47]  So he has some phone problems, Glenn.
[01:09:49]  And one of the phone problems happens just after.
[01:09:53]  I don't think that this is intentional at all.
[01:09:56]  Sure.
[01:09:56]  But one could, if they were into conspiracies.
[01:10:00]  Try and pitch the idea that Glenn is talking about all the other media that has had him on, and then his phone mysteriously goes out.
[01:10:08]  And, of course, we were on with Michael Savage, also on MSNBC.
[01:10:14]  We were on CNN the other night.
[01:10:17]  Blitzer had, again, live pictures of RUA.
[01:10:22]  I think we just lost Glenn's cell phone.
[01:10:25]  Bad connection.
[01:10:26]  We'll try to reconnect and get Glenn Spencer back on.
[01:10:31]  And you notice the neocons will talk about some of the real issues and have good folks like Glenn Spencer on, but in the end equation, they don't put the heat on Lord Bush, who can stop all this basically instantaneously.
[01:10:42]  So that's interesting, because Alex's premise seems to generally be that these people won't have folks like Glenn Spencer on.
[01:10:49]  But now, Glenn is on the show, and he's saying that I was on with Michael Savage, who Alex has said is a dirty neocon beatnik.
[01:10:56]  Oh, sure, they'll have him on sometime.
[01:10:58]  Right, right, right, right.
[01:10:59]  Right.
[01:11:00]  But they won't put the heat on Bush.
[01:11:02]  What does that mean?
[01:11:03]  They won't put the heat on Lord Bush.
[01:11:05]  What meaningful heat is Alex putting on Bush that other people aren't?
[01:11:09]  I mean, all of the heat.
[01:11:11]  It's so hot.
[01:11:12]  What does that mean?
[01:11:13]  It's so much heat that he's putting on Lord Bush.
[01:11:16]  I want to know in concrete terms.
[01:11:18]  Other places are not putting as much heat.
[01:11:21]  A lot of them are chilly.
[01:11:22]  Okay, some places they cook at 450 degrees and other places it's 375.
[01:11:27]  They're not putting that much heat.
[01:11:28]  I find this to be, it sounds like Alex scrambling.
[01:11:32]  It does.
[01:11:32]  And it's almost convenient that the phone cuts out there.
[01:11:36]  But again, I'm not saying that one of the producers hung up on him or anything.
[01:11:41]  Sure, sure, sure.
[01:11:41]  But it's just, man, he needed to save and he got an opportunity to make the save.
[01:11:47]  Yeah.
[01:11:48]  But it still doesn't make a lot of sense.
[01:11:50]  I mean, the speed with which he said we got cut off.
[01:11:54]  Normally, he waits just a little bit longer.
[01:11:57]  No, no, no.
[01:11:57]  No, no, no.
[01:12:00]  Now, if you heard a speech that he gave just a few months before this.
[01:12:04]  All right.
[01:12:05]  Calm down.
[01:12:06]  Okay.
[01:12:06]  So, Glenn gets his phone back working, and he has said that if you hear a bing-bong, bing-bong sound effect in the background, that is the alarm that one of his censors has picked up an illegal crossing the border.
[01:12:20]  He has a bunch of sensors put up around the border.
[01:12:22]  He's got a bunch of sensors on the border.
[01:12:24]  And apparently some drones that take pictures of people.
[01:12:26]  Really?
[01:12:27]  Jesus Christ.

=== Bluff and Border Protection (06:45) ===

[01:12:30]  Join a bowling league!
[01:12:33]  You can only do so much in the world of bowling.
[01:12:36]  You bowl a perfect game, and then what else are you going to do?
[01:12:38]  Well, I mean, you've got to protect the borders, obviously.
[01:12:42]  You don't want any gutter balls.
[01:12:43]  Right.
[01:12:44]  So there's one thing that I do applaud Glenn for, and that will lay out in this clip after his alarm goes off.
[01:12:54]  Glenn, good to have you back on.
[01:12:56]  Sorry we got disconnected.
[01:12:57]  I don't know where we were.
[01:12:58]  Because I was on a monologue.
[01:13:00]  No, well, you were making a lot of good points, is what you were doing.
[01:13:03]  But Glenn, now...
[01:13:07]  Just a second.
[01:13:08]  Did you hear that?
[01:13:10]  Yes.
[01:13:11]  Okay, that is our sensor going off.
[01:13:14]  Okay, this is right down by the San Pedro River coming into Arizona.
[01:13:19]  We just picked up five people.
[01:13:22]  You just heard it.
[01:13:24]  Five people.
[01:13:25]  Five people.
[01:13:27]  Wow.
[01:13:27]  Our sensors are computerized, and we count them.
[01:13:30]  You just heard it.
[01:13:33]  Yes, I did.
[01:13:35]  Boop, boop, boop, boop.
[01:13:35]  It flashes up on a computer screen.
[01:13:37]  It gives the exact location and the exact number of people.
[01:13:41]  And now on national TV, you've had your drones out.
[01:13:43]  No, this is not.
[01:13:44]  We're not sending this out right yet.
[01:13:47]  No, I meant...
[01:13:47]  Until we get all of our testing done.
[01:13:49]  I'm talking about your drones.
[01:13:51]  But we will eventually...
[01:13:54]  But we will not do this.
[01:13:55]  We will not give the actual locations up on the internet, and there's a reason for that.
[01:14:02]  These people are attacked, murdered, and robbed by Mexican bandits, no matter where they are.
[01:14:09]  And if we showed them where they were, they would be subject to attack not by Americans, but by their own countrymen.
[01:14:16]  Oh, okay, okay.
[01:14:17]  Sure, yeah, yeah.
[01:14:19]  So...
[01:14:19]  Look, whatever he needs to tell himself to not publicize that information, fine.
[01:14:26]  If he needs to tell himself that it's Mexican bandits that are the risk to telling where the locations of these migrants are, fine.
[01:14:35]  Because at the end of the day, that information isn't going to these weirdo fucking right-wing militias who think that our country is being invaded.
[01:14:43]  So, good.
[01:14:44]  Keep that fucking information to yourself.
[01:14:46]  Wild.
[01:14:47]  Wild.
[01:14:48]  Listen, listen, listen.
[01:14:50]  I don't want banditos hurting these people, okay?
[01:14:54]  I want me and my buddies to.
[01:14:56]  No, his buddies would never.
[01:14:59]  They would never even think about it.
[01:15:00]  We wouldn't have hurt anybody!
[01:15:02]  We want to protect them from the banditos.
[01:15:05]  Right.
[01:15:05]  You know?
[01:15:06]  And that's why we carry the guns in case we get into a bandit fight.
[01:15:09]  Right.
[01:15:09]  And there's a stagecoach, and we're going to fight on top of it, and then we'll save the immigrants and safely move them onto the other end of the Rio Grande.
[01:15:20]  Safely, but forcefully.
[01:15:23]  With a little bit of a bayonet.
[01:15:25]  Also, I would argue that the general directions that he gave were...
[01:15:30]  Such that someone might be able to...
[01:15:33]  So easy to find.
[01:15:34]  I think he might have undercut his own point.
[01:15:38]  I do like whenever the overconfidence of they'll never find this comes up.
[01:15:44]  I love to the beginning of his interview, he does say that if you hear that bing bong, bing bong, go off, that it's my trap getting triggered or whatever.
[01:15:54]  And then miraculously in the middle of the interview...
[01:15:56]  So weird.
[01:15:57]  So weird.
[01:15:58]  So it's such great timing.
[01:16:01]  And it's exactly what you would want to do, is create an alarm that goes off.
[01:16:07]  Instead of just some sort of an alert or something.
[01:16:10]  You would want a weird noise.
[01:16:12]  It's got to be the bat signal.
[01:16:15]  It's got to be overdone, overwritten.
[01:16:20]  There's a bing for each individual that crosses the...
[01:16:24]  So dumb.
[01:16:25]  Oh my god.
[01:16:26]  So anyway, we have one last clip here.
[01:16:28]  And it's Glenn talking about a plan that he has.
[01:16:31]  You know, you don't need a driver's license anymore.
[01:16:33]  You get into an accident, you know what we're going to start doing?
[01:16:36]  We're going to start printing up matricular counselor cards for anybody who wants to log on to our website.
[01:16:42]  You might want to do it, too.
[01:16:44]  Just charge them $15, and you print it up and send it to them.
[01:16:48]  And then when they get stopped by the cops, just hand it to them.
[01:16:50]  You know?
[01:16:52]  It doesn't work as a driver's license.
[01:16:54]  No.
[01:16:54]  And also, I got to think...
[01:16:58]  That if you did do this, you might get in international trouble.
[01:17:03]  Yeah, no, that would be a bad idea.
[01:17:04]  Like, if he is actually gonna sell consular IDs, fake consular IDs.
[01:17:08]  No, that's against the law.
[01:17:10]  That's fraud.
[01:17:11]  That's fraud.
[01:17:12]  That might be a giant crime.
[01:17:14]  That's a serious problem.
[01:17:15]  Yeah.
[01:17:17]  I would advise him not to do this.
[01:17:19]  I also don't think he was doing this.
[01:17:21]  I think he's talking shit.
[01:17:22]  I think what's funny about it is that if it were to go down the way that he wants it to go, where everybody does this to subvert the system, what we would find out is that everything would be fine.
[01:17:34]  Thereby disproving his whole this is a problem argument.
[01:17:38]  Right.
[01:17:38]  You know, like, this is a bluff.
[01:17:40]  Yeah, that's possible.
[01:17:41]  It's a bluff.
[01:17:42]  These people are just mad.
[01:17:43]  They're just mad that other people have rights.
[01:17:46]  I don't like it.
[01:17:48]  Back in my day, when I was young, I didn't have to deal with other people having rights.
[01:17:53]  And I feel like that was a better system for me.
[01:17:56]  So, let's keep it.
[01:17:58]  Yeah.
[01:17:58]  So, like I said, that was the last clip.
[01:18:01]  And here's the honest-to-God truth.
[01:18:04]  There's another hour of the show, and Alex says he's going to take calls, but I can't find that last hour of the show.
[01:18:12]  Yes.
[01:18:13]  Okay.
[01:18:13]  Yeah, the place where I have found all these episodes from, it doesn't have the third hour, and so we only have these two hours of the show.
[01:18:22]  Interesting.
[01:18:23]  Now, I think they're probably just boring calls or something.
[01:18:26]  I don't know if there's anything nefarious in that.
[01:18:32]  I don't know.
[01:18:33]  I think we should speculate wildly.
[01:18:35]  Yeah, but the amount of stuff about JFK and the bars of gold and stuff, I figured even without whatever dumb calls he takes in the third hour, I'm satisfied with what we've learned today.
[01:18:50]  I like a good JFK conspiracy.
[01:18:52]  There's never a bad time to tell me lies about JFK.
[01:18:55]  What's fun, too, about this is it was a sort of scattershot JFK conspiracy.

=== Jordan's Next Episode Teaser (00:56) ===

[01:19:01]  No, it was all over the place.
[01:19:02]  No depth to anything, but all over.
[01:19:05]  Why have any depth?
[01:19:06]  Sure.
[01:19:06]  Every time you go into depth with JFK's conspiracies, you just find out something that disproves it.
[01:19:11]  My man, just yell Northwoods.
[01:19:13]  That's all you gotta do!
[01:19:15]  Secret Society!
[01:19:16]  Yep.
[01:19:17]  Yeah.
[01:19:17]  So I enjoyed going back to the past a little bit, and I think that I've been reinvigorated, and I feel like back on track.
[01:19:28]  I like it.
[01:19:30]  Yeah.
[01:19:30]  But we will be back, Jordan.
[01:19:32]  On our next episode.
[01:19:33]  Indeed we will.
[01:19:34]  Until then we have a website.
[01:19:35]  We do.
[01:19:35]  It's knowledgefight.com.
[01:19:36]  Yep.
[01:19:36]  We're also on Twitter.
[01:19:38]  We are on Twitter.
[01:19:39]  It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.
[01:19:41]  Yep.
[01:19:41]  We will be back but until then I'm Neo.
[01:19:43]  I'm Leo.
[01:19:44]  I'm DZX Clark.
[01:19:45]  I'm Daryl Rundis.
[01:19:46]  And now here comes the sex robots.
[01:19:48]  Andy in Kansas.
[01:19:49]  You're on the air.
[01:19:50]  Thanks for holding.
[01:19:52]  Hello Alex.
[01:19:53]  I'm a first time caller.
[01:19:54]  I'm a huge fan.
[01:19:55]  I love your work.