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Nov. 12, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#616: November 9, 2021

November 9, 2021 episode dissects Alex Jones’ misinformation: he weaponizes a CNN headline about immunosuppressed patients to attack vaccines, falsely claims Gavin Newsom’s illness stems from Moderna, and ties the Travis Scott concert to "demonic sacrifices" using medieval black magic tropes. Jones also promotes Dr. Stella Immanuel’s unproven hydroxychloroquine/ivermectin push via a website promo code, blurring conspiracy with profit. His narratives—from blood rituals to LGBTQ polls as pedophilia cover-ups—reveal a pattern of exploiting fear while dismissing facts, cementing his role as a purveyor of fringe theories with no accountability. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 10:25
d
dan friesen
35:45
j
jordan holmes
15:50
Appearances
d
dr stella immanuel
01:17
s
steve kirsch
03:25
s
steve krisch
00:34
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang, we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding it.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fifth ten colour among you fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
unidentified
Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like, sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Joe's.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is sort of a mixed bright spot, and it is that I did finish making this desk.
jordan holmes
Congratulations.
dan friesen
I've been sore for two days because of it.
jordan holmes
It happens.
dan friesen
And I'm also now really freaked out because we have switched like headphones.
jordan holmes
Headphones.
dan friesen
We had to unplug all of the mics and everything in order to move stuff around.
I'm so scared that this is going to be completely fucked up.
jordan holmes
We'll see what happens.
dan friesen
But it's a move towards a little bit of renovating the office.
I mean, that word makes it sound like I'm tearing down a wall.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It's just moving a few things around to make it feel more like a working space.
jordan holmes
Restructuring.
dan friesen
Sure.
I like that.
Decorating, but decorating sounds more fun.
Yeah.
Because this is trying to turn it into a work area.
jordan holmes
Refurbishing.
dan friesen
Sure.
We'll go with that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But yeah, that process being in motion is a bright spot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, desk looks great.
dan friesen
Thanks.
jordan holmes
It looks really great.
dan friesen
I think it was a good choice.
There's a place for the printer down there, a little shelf for the printer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I see that now.
dan friesen
Clears up some desk space.
There's actually a shelf.
Like my old desk was just an L.
It was.
There were no shelves, no drawers, nothing.
jordan holmes
Looking at it compared to this desk, it looks more like a cafeteria table than it does.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is, of course, we had a wonderful interview with John Ronson, and everybody's response to that has been very, very kind.
So my bright spot is how great it was that we got to do all of that stuff.
It was fantastic.
dan friesen
I was really hoping it would be my desk.
jordan holmes
It's not your desk.
dan friesen
I was hoping your bright spot would also be my desk.
jordan holmes
Why would it be your desk?
dan friesen
What's your nice desk?
jordan holmes
Your desk is shit to me.
dan friesen
No, that was nice.
It's been a really surreal week between the Tucker Carlson episode on Monday and then interview with John on Wednesday.
It's been a little bit off the beaten path for us.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
It's felt very disorienting.
And then you add that to a new desk and you get just like, I don't even know where we are anymore.
jordan holmes
No, it is a whole new world.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel completely untethered to the last 600 episodes of our show.
jordan holmes
It didn't take much.
dan friesen
And now I've got new headphones on.
I don't know what, what.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
So, Jordan, today we're going to get back to normal.
We're going to be talking about, and it's not a bait and switch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about November 9th, 2021, my check.
And this is a dumb show.
There's a couple of parts that are incredibly fascinating, but a lot of it is really fucking stupid.
All right.
And we'll get down to business on talking about all that.
But first, Jordan, I think we should say hello to some new walls.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Getty Museum.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy won.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Lena D. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Lena D. Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Hiram Clark is in this motherfucker.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy won.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Hyrule.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, I finally realized I should start paying for all this free media I consume.
Thank you very much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
This fella is actually an old friend of mine back from the days of Columbia, Missouri.
Very excited to say thank you and hello to Fake Dad.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
And I couldn't find the Hallmark gift theme for $600, so here is a subscription instead.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Now, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
We're going to start this episode here about November 9th.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And we haven't had a context dropped for this, but it's also kind of a game.
Alex calls somebody a loser on this show.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I need you to try and guess who that person is.
Now, think about the kind of news that's going on.
Right.
Maybe, you know, the sort of piccadillos that Alex has, like vaccination.
jordan holmes
So, okay.
So my first instinct, I want to say it's AOC just because she drank that soda and people responded to it.
dan friesen
But was that before or after the 9th?
Oh, you got to consider that we're a few days back.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
I mean, it seems too obvious.
It seems too obvious, but I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to go with Kamala Harris.
dan friesen
You are incorrect.
unidentified
Damn it.
alex jones
Have you read about Terry Bradshaw and what a loser he is?
dan friesen
Terry Bradshaw.
jordan holmes
How is Terry Bradshaw the one?
I knew it was too obvious.
dan friesen
He's mad about everyone talking shit about Aaron Rodgers.
And so Terry Bradshaw gets taken down to pay.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's about time somebody got to Terry Bradshaw.
dan friesen
I'm not a huge Terry Bradshaw fan.
I'm sure he has his problems, but he won like four Super Bowls.
jordan holmes
He did.
He did.
dan friesen
I mean, professionally, he's not a loser.
He's one of the best quarterbacks of all time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if you want to measure it by those statistics, man, it's not all about rings or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a very strange thing to do.
dan friesen
I mean, you might say that he's kind of a dorky commentator.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he's generally a shithead.
I'm sure, you know, I mean, you can't be in the professional sports world for that long without becoming a shithead of some sort.
dan friesen
It seems like it's possible, but I don't know if Alex needs to take aim.
It's just about Aaron Rodgers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex opens up the show with a gigantic bombshell piece of information that will be the number one story throughout this entire episode.
He repeats this headline about a thousand fucking times.
Here we go.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, it's Tuesday, November 9th, 2021.
And if you are a radio listener, you'll be able to hear me read you this headline.
But if you're a TV viewer, you just saw the headline front and center.
CNN says people are taking three shots and have, quote, no antibodies for COVID-19 and are catching COVID-19.
Their answer, more shots.
That's like saying, if you cut one of your fingers off with a meat cleaver, the way to fix it's to cut off three more.
Or maybe slit your throat.
Or maybe hang yourself.
Or shoot yourself or drink cyanide.
Or why not put the baby in the microwave?
That'll help him.
jordan holmes
Give fucking.
alex jones
Oh, your baby's got a stomachache?
Put him in a wood chipper.
Think of the level of the war on logic and reality happening.
dan friesen
The war on logic has been waged.
jordan holmes
I mean, the one that he's waging right now?
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Because that one is intense and years long.
dan friesen
Sure.
And as somebody who, you know, I hate to, you know, constantly bang on this drum, but someone who studied formal logic in college.
Yes.
I don't know if there's a war on logic in the same way that Alex thinks there is.
He's on the wrong side of that war.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now, from what I understand, if, and let's go through, let's try this logically.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
All right.
If getting shots increases your immunity to a disease and your immunity decreases, then you get another shot.
Would that not be exactly like if you had a finger and then you chopped it off?
dan friesen
Yeah, and it would kind of be like throwing a baby in a microwave.
It would be exactly like very similar.
jordan holmes
I was wondering, I was thinking that's what it would be.
dan friesen
A lot of commonalities.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So one thing here is that Alex is correct about this headline.
It does say, quote, three shots and one booster later.
This man has little protection against COVID-19.
However, Alex is misrepresenting the contents of the story.
This is about a guy who had a kidney transplant in 2019 and has to be on immunosuppressant drugs for the rest of his life.
The article is about how he does not have antibodies despite getting vaccinated, which then serves as a launching pad to discuss how many moderate to severely immunocompromised people are having difficulty with creating antibodies.
This is really shitty, but it's also not totally surprising since this is the case with many vaccines.
In fact, it's one of the really strong rebuttals to the whole anti-vax argument about how, like, if you're vaccinated, why do you care if I am or not?
And that's really weird because this headline works for Alex if he lies about the content.
But if he actually engaged with the body of the text at all, he's actually covering a story that's pro-universal vaccination.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
It's a really great case study for why Alex can never afford to go any deeper than surface level on any of the stories he covers.
If he actually gets into the meat and the details of the topic, he'd quickly have no leg to stand on and his narratives would completely collapse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so as an exercise, I tracked through this episode if he ever said anything about this article other than the headline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
unidentified
Not once.
dan friesen
Not once.
He just says the headline about a hundred times and at no point discusses how it's about immunocompromised people.
The headline is about one specific person who was the recipient of a kidney transplant.
It's just ridiculous.
He just uses it to say, like, hey, they're saying if you get these shots, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't do anything.
It might as well be saline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I wonder if headline writers, the editors and the people who put those leads up there, I wonder if they have a real awareness of how much damage they individually can do.
dan friesen
It's an interesting question.
You know, I would hope they don't because they should be more careful.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like when you lead, when you lead with a headline like that, Alex can absolutely do that.
And none of his people are going to read the body of the article.
So you're like immediately the first line of defense against Alex.
dan friesen
Sure, it's somewhat enabling to write articles with headlines like that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But at the same time, the headline is fair and it is a summation of the story.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It doesn't capture all the relevant details like three shots and one booster later.
This man has little protection.
Why is that?
It's not spelled out in the headline.
It's easy to misrepresent, but it's also not like, like from a journalist standpoint, it's not unethical.
jordan holmes
Totally, absolutely not.
dan friesen
In a world where disinformation wasn't such a big problem, that was totally fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'd be great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's more what I'm thinking of: is like, yes, I understand that according to these certain neutral ethics, you're good, but we don't live there.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I see this conversation come up periodically on Twitter and on social media, the idea that these mainstream media outlets and big media entities, they really need to have somebody who understands disinformation on the payroll to sort of play defense.
Because if you did, you could be like, you know, you know what's going to happen with this headline.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You can tweak a little so it's not as useful to folks like Alex.
jordan holmes
I think the theory for why that doesn't happen is because they're concerned they would make less money.
dan friesen
Maybe.
And I also think that there's also a pretty solid argument to be made that if you did play that bit of defense, the enterprising people on the right would, or in Alex's media sphere, would just find a way to still make the same disinformation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like antivirus software is always going to be one step behind the newest.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So Alex lies a little bit about this article, and then he lies some more about something else.
alex jones
Three shots and one booster later.
Three shots and one booster later.
This man has little protection against COVID-19.
Don't worry, Pfizer and Moderna now have a pill.
But you're both based on ivermectin.
Sure.
Why not lie about that?
Interesting.
jordan holmes
It would be.
alex jones
But of course, now they're just going to release some new deadly virus to begin depopulating.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's obviously not true.
And I have no clue what it would even mean for a pill to be based on ivermectin, but the general claim Alex is referring to here is just, it was in a meme that went around on social media.
People were claiming that the Pfizer pill is just repackaged ivermectin, and he went as far as to call it Pfizermectin.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
It does not take much.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a fun story, but it's just dumb.
The Pfizer pill is an antiviral drug, whereas ivermectin is an anti-parasite medication.
They operate in entirely different ways, and they would have basically no connection.
The Associated Press did a fact check on this claim, and they talked to Dr. William Petrie.
He's a professor of infectious diseases at University of Virginia.
He had the best summation I could imagine.
Quote, the only way they are alike is that they are both pills.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is Alex's relationship with information, just like in a nutshell.
He sees claims and memes on social media, and then they say the things that he wants to believe, so he reports them to his audience as truth.
It's just a pathetic state of affairs.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, it's a little bit like how Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter is based on Abraham Lincoln.
So it's like you could say it's based on almost all the horror movies.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
jordan holmes
Based on a true story.
It's the Blair Witch Project of pills.
dan friesen
I would love it if instead of tomorrow's news today, InfoWars started with based on a meme that Alex skimmed over.
Alex glanced at a meme and now he's going to yell about something for an hour.
Great.
Great.
That's how seriously you should take this bullshit.
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
InfoWars, the Alex Jones shows.
Minute impressions.
Yes.
dan friesen
Alex has a thought.
So Alex has a guest that's going to be coming up in the second hour, and he has a bombshell piece of information about California politics.
This is big if true.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Coming up next hour, we have the investigative journalist Don, very respected, also scientist, major inventor, who has sources confirming to him that Newsom is partially paralyzed with Guillain Barret.
And that is why he has not been seen now in 12 days.
And counting, he took the Moderna shot 14 days ago.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, there's no other possible explanation.
dan friesen
Sure.
Also, this guy is not an investigative reporter at all.
We'll find that out later.
But also, this is pretty bad timing for this scoop to drop because Gavin Newsom made an appearance at a vaccine clinic on Wednesday, the day after this episode was recorded, and he was standing up, walking, and looking very healthy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they got FDR to stand up to.
dan friesen
He even took questions, and a reporter asked about the rumors that he had an adverse reaction to the vaccine, and that an anonymous source had said that he had.
And Gavin Newsom replied, quote, yeah, well, that's made up.
I had absolutely no impact whatsoever from the COVID shot, nor from the original or the booster.
Absolutely none.
No fatigue, even no soreness.
jordan holmes
I was busy doing things for rich people.
Come on, man.
dan friesen
And we'll get to that later.
Yeah, I look forward to hearing what this respected investigative journalist has to say about this, though.
jordan holmes
I want to hear why he's a major inventor.
dan friesen
He actually invented an early mouse.
He's actually, and he invented Infoseeq, the early search engine.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's also gone off his rocker.
jordan holmes
Wow, that sounds right.
Everybody else who invented that exact same stuff went insane, too.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So he actually does have some credits to his name, but investigative journalist.
I don't know if it's one of them.
So Alex has internalized this information about allegedly Gavin Newsom having Guillaume Beret.
And he's decided that he kind of wants Gavin Newsom to die.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Also, he doesn't want to say, I wish death upon him.
So he's kind of got to dance around a little bit.
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's interesting to see the little shuffle that he's doing.
alex jones
And again, I want to be very, very clear about this.
I don't wish harm on anybody.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
I don't take glee in how fallen Governor Newsom is, but I hope and pray that God works his miracles here and the Lord works mysterious ways and that Newsom either be spared but repent and come out and admit the truth or if he needs to die as an example to others about how deadly these shots are, that would be a blessing to save children in California as young as five, next it'll be newborns.
They're already saying it.
When they're trying to quote, make take it to go to the park or go to the mall or go get a hamburger or go to the doctor or go to school.
I mean, they're giving our children an experimental deadly shot.
And so I hope if it's God's will that Governor Newsom dies so that children will be saved.
I mean, because, I mean, I don't want him to die.
But I'm saying if he needs to die to reverse this in California before our children die, Mash, which already happened in the trials, they suppressed it, then yeah, I mean, he's an adult.
He's had a life.
He decided to take it.
It was an example to others.
I asked God to strike him down.
dan friesen
I always like it when Alex does something like that, where he's like back and forth all over the place, but the clip starts with, let me be absolutely clear.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Let me be absolutely clear.
A, not A. Sort of A.
A, not A, not A, not A, but super A. Let me contradict myself a bunch of times, but I'm being super clear about this.
jordan holmes
All right.
First preference: I want all the kittens in the world to have a million dollars each.
But if we can't do that, I think Governor Newsom should be killed by God.
Right, that's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
I would like God to strike him down so it's a lesson to the kids.
jordan holmes
Listen, you know me.
You know that my first preference is no one gets hurt and all kittens get a million dollars.
unidentified
But since that's not going to happen, I want Gavin Newsom to die.
dan friesen
I would also strongly refute Alex's claim that he doesn't want anyone to be hurt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think he wants a lot of people to be hurt.
jordan holmes
Oh, strongly.
I think we've heard him call for a lot of violence over the years.
dan friesen
Generally and consistently.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So apparently Alex is changing the story a little bit now.
Originally, it was that Gavin Newsom had Guillain Beret.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
But it turns out maybe it's something else.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Where's Governor Newsom right now?
Oh, he took the Moderna shot two weeks ago and has been gone for 12 days.
We got a source coming on that confirms what my sources are saying.
He's partially paralyzed and has Bell's palsy.
Geon Beret Bell's palsy, same difference.
Disease, different names.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
This is so not true.
jordan holmes
Really?
Yeah.
Wild.
We're just going to go with that one.
dan friesen
You would only say that if you are making shit up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's totally.
dan friesen
That's brazen.
So according to Johns Hopkins, quote, Bell's palsy is an unexplained episode of facial muscle weakness or paralysis.
Conversely, Guillain Beret is a full-body autoimmune condition where the body's immune system attacks its nerves.
Sometimes Bell's palsy can accompany Guillain Beret, but only an idiot would try to say that they're the same condition with different names, which is why Alex just said that, because he's a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that's real bad.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's pretty silly.
jordan holmes
That's brazen.
It's hard to hear somebody say that and not just go, there's nothing you won't say.
Yeah.
You're just free.
I don't have that freedom.
unidentified
I almost envy your freedom to just bullshit.
dan friesen
I do envy it in a begrudging way.
Anyway, also, another thing that Alex does besides lie is promote memes.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure.
It turns out.
alex jones
There's a meme going around.
Nothing everybody should share.
I'm going to have it added to the live show feed of the broadcast today so you can share it.
It's, oh my God, young people are suddenly dying everywhere, the man says while he's reading his laptop.
But he looks up with his coffee in his hand and says, oh, wait, that's completely normal, according to this fact checker.
dan friesen
I'm going to guess that this is some formulation of the guy sitting at a table that the house is on fire and he's like, this is fine.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
I'm guessing.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm guessing it's some sort of version of that or some sort of take on that.
I'm not sure.
I think that if Alex was a serious, high-minded person, I don't know how much time he would spend promoting memes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, there's too many Ben Garrison comics out there to waste your time on memes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you've seen all those dogs before, but have you seen a dog labeled?
dan friesen
That's true.
We do need some labels on this shit.
I do like that song, though.
unidentified
Give me back my bullets.
dan friesen
That's all I could think about.
It's fun.
I like it.
Yep.
So we get this not investigative journalist showing up.
He's a gentleman by the name of Steve Kirsch.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And here's Alex giving him a little intro.
alex jones
Well, we had Dr. McCullough in studio with us last Friday, and he knocked it out of the park, a true leader.
And he said, listen, who I respect the most, who really is on the ball like no other, is Steve Kirsch.
I said, absolutely.
I've been trying to get him on.
I guess I wasn't asking the right way.
So he got us his contact info and he's here.
And we're very, very thankful because he's really been organizing the top minds out there and has been fighting this incredible rollout of tyranny that we've been witnessing.
dan friesen
Alex just didn't say please before.
jordan holmes
I've been trying to get a hold of that guy forever.
And then you gave me his email address and that worked.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Crazy.
So Steve Kirsch is a really interesting figure.
Like he made millions, like I mentioned when he founded InfoSeek, which was basically Google before Google.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like it was an early search engine.
jordan holmes
Sure.
He was too soon or not evil enough.
dan friesen
And after that, he turned his focus to philanthropy.
And early in the COVID epidemic, he started an organization called COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund, which sought to provide funding to research that was going into existing already approved drugs that could be effective in fighting COVID, which honestly is a great thing to do because no one was doing it back then.
And the possibility of what you could find is really important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, the problem with you saying something like that is now that I know he's on InfoWars, my eyes narrow into a very horrifying, like, how is this anti-abortion somehow?
Like, it's that kind of level of, I don't trust these people.
dan friesen
Yeah, early on in the pandemic, though, like the idea of funneling millions of dollars to research that could be fruitful.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
No, it's incredible.
dan friesen
It's incredibly a wonderful thing.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
So like, you know, if there's a drug out there that has promise that we're already familiar with, we want to know that.
Unfortunately, he kind of lost his mind at some point along the way.
One of the grants that his group gave out was $125,000, which was given to a researcher from the University of Minnesota named David Bulware.
It was meant to study the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Boulware found that there was no benefit to taking the drug, but Kirsch didn't accept the results and the interpretation of the research, and things fell apart from there.
As the pandemic has gone on, he's shifted from promoting infective drugs to being convinced that everyone's trying to conspire against these ineffective drugs that he's decided are effective, like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
And this is predictably spiraled out of control into basically a strong anti-vax position.
According to a write-up in technology review, quote, in May, all 12 members of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund Scientific Advisory Board resigned, citing Kirsch's alarming, dangerous claims and erratic behavior.
Most of the scientific community has lost its patience for him, and the only real role he has left to play is the hero to the anti-vax community.
And that's reached the point where he's going on Infowars to talk about how vaccines are evil and Gavin Newsome may be paralyzed.
The desperation is a little bit depressing, but it is what it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's hard not to see the exact same thing play out over and over and over again whenever it comes to money and science and rich people.
It's like, no, no, no, you don't understand.
When I pay you this money, it's to come up with the conclusion that I want.
Why are you coming back with something that's not what I want?
You don't understand how money works.
dan friesen
Also, I'm curious if Alex knows that one of the other medications that he's pushing as like a potential COVID treatment is Luvox, which is an antidepressant.
And I'm pretty sure Alex would be against that.
Even if it was effective against COVID, and that it would help him not have vaccines for everybody, but it also is one of the antidepressants that he hates.
That would really be a pickle.
jordan holmes
That would be tough.
And if it turned out that my meds were also immunizing me to COVID, he'd be like, damn it, I don't even know what to do.
dan friesen
Also, I wonder if Alex is going to ask this dude about the company that he founded in 2011 called OneID.
It seems like Alex, you know, he's so obsessed with the idea that the globalists want to create digital IDs for everyone that they can use to implement a social credit score.
So it would be important to ask this guy, Steve, about how he founded a company that's building an ID system that could be conceivably seen as the backbone for such a globalist scheme.
I would be curious if he wants to ask about that.
I'm going to predict it doesn't come up when Alex has no idea.
jordan holmes
What about that company Forbes called Mark of the Beast Unlimited?
dan friesen
Probably going to ignore that one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would let that one go.
dan friesen
Anyway, Kirsch immediately undercuts his own argument about Gavin Newsom here.
steve kirsch
I'm not quite sure where to start.
steve krisch
Should we start with Gavin and then we'll dive into the details?
alex jones
Yes, sir.
Let's do that.
steve kirsch
All right.
So Gavin's been out of sight for close to two weeks.
The rumors are that he has facial paralysis.
And so basically half of his face is paralyzed.
But typically that'll only last for a couple of days and then it resolves.
And so after two weeks, he can look completely normal.
So he can go back and he's gone to a conference that he's supposed to be on at 1145, which is in a couple of hours from now.
And so he could actually appear totally normal now.
steve krisch
And he could just come up with some excuse to say, well, you know, I was out of commission for some reason.
steve kirsch
But, you know, when you look at all of what's happened in terms of you did your investigations, I did my investigations, and they were all consistent with someone who is vaccinated.
dan friesen
Yeah, what are these investigations?
jordan holmes
In what world are you investigating?
dan friesen
Someone was talking shit.
That's basically the rumors are.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Inquiring minds want to know is your face paralyzed.
So if you're keeping score, when Gavin Newsom finally appears in public, if half of his face is paralyzed, then he was injured by the vaccine and he was in hiding.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
If he appears and he's totally normal, then that's proof that he was injured by the vaccine, but he's already recovered.
unidentified
See?
dan friesen
This is a really fun game that's being played where no matter what ends up happening, Steve gets to pretend that his prediction came true.
Here's some free advice.
If someone is pretending to have great insight and information, but they also make a prediction that boils down to a situation where both A and not A gets to be claimed as a win for them, don't listen to them.
They're idiots.
Also, it's important to acknowledge that Newsom wasn't missing or in hiding.
He just canceled his scheduled appearance at the UN Climate Summit on pretty short notice.
Even before he gave a press conference at the vaccine clinic on that Wednesday, he was photographed at Ivy Getty's very subtle and restrained wedding on November 7th, two days before this episode we're listening to was recorded.
Even beyond that, he claimed that he canceled his trip because he has young children and felt really guilty about the idea that both of them, both him and his wife, would be taking this trip to Scotland during Halloween, so his kids would end up missing out on trick-or-treating.
unidentified
Aww.
dan friesen
This was actually an easier decision for him because he was only given a three-minute speaking slot at that summit, which is kind of hard to justify a trip around the world for when his deputy could just go.
jordan holmes
And for the level of nothing you're going to do, that's just, I mean, okay.
So here's what it is.
All right.
You can go to COP26, you can give your three-minute speech, and you have some nice food, or you can go to the wedding of modern royalty, fuck around, say.
dan friesen
Take the kids on Trick-or-Treat again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Say something like, let them eat cake, and then we all move on with our lives.
You know, that's a good day.
dan friesen
And an article that I was reading made a good point, and that is that, like, in the past, when there have been Republican administrations, it had been more important for, let's say, the California governor to be like sort of a voice for opposition against climate policy that was being taken on by the GOP.
But now that Biden is president, that role is less important.
And so him showing up there didn't really matter as much as it might have in other years.
And so like the question too comes into like, so he's had less public appearances, but you know why?
Because he had a giant empty space because he was scheduled to be in Scotland.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would make the most sense.
dan friesen
He typically makes a lot of public appearances, but his calendar was empty because it was free going to Scotland.
And now he had nothing he needed to do so he could take family time out, chill, and go to this Getty wedding.
jordan holmes
I do like how that wouldn't be accepted.
Like nobody would be, like these people wouldn't be like, oh, that makes perfect sense.
When I change a schedule and there's nothing in my schedule, then I don't have to do anything.
So I'll hang out.
They're like, no, no, no, no.
If you cancel the COP26, then you've just got your backup schedule that you have to go do.
You immediately have a backup schedule.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the simplest explanation.
And it makes total sense.
jordan holmes
He always double books every appearance just in case his kids might need to trick-or-treat.
dan friesen
Very dumb.
steve krisch
Yeah.
dan friesen
Speaking of dumb, Steve has a position that is just unfounded in reality.
steve kirsch
This vaccine is the most dangerous vaccine in human history.
It's 800 times more deadly than the previous record holder.
steve krisch
And the previous record holder was a smallpox vaccine, which would kill one person per million vaccinated.
steve kirsch
This kills over 800 people per million vaccinated.
And so it ends up being over 150,000 deaths.
And we have eight different ways that we go and look at that to show that there are over 150,000 people that have actually been killed by this vaccine.
dan friesen
I was excited to hear him get into these eight different ways, but he doesn't really.
Every single thing that he discusses about sort of trying to substantiate this stuff is based on misrepresentations of VARES data, which is useless to begin with when you're trying to draw conclusions about causality and that kind of stuff.
And it's like, it's so disappointing.
It's such a bummer.
You're just like, it's just Ver's data.
jordan holmes
I mean, I was assuming that the only place he could get the world record holder was the Guinness Book of World Records.
Sure.
And I assume this is the most deadly vaccine.
Most deadly vaccine.
steve krisch
Yeah.
dan friesen
You need someone to come out and certify it, though, if you want COVID-19.
unidentified
Oh, that's true.
jordan holmes
That is true.
How would you observe that?
dan friesen
It would be hard.
You need to be omniscient.
Well, omnipresent.
jordan holmes
I'll have to give somebody a call then.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I know a guy.
dan friesen
Okay.
So Steve has this kind of flawed thinking where he's put out a million-dollar bet that his data is right.
And because no one has taken, because no one has taken him up on this, he's been proven right.
jordan holmes
I will take it.
I'll take it right now.
steve kirsch
Everybody in the world will take my bet.
Even, I mean, I even up the number to, if you think less than 500 people were killed by these vaccines in America, I will bet you easily $10 million, whatever, to, you know, let's have a bet.
But look, nobody really thinks that's true because nobody's taking my bet.
dan friesen
Well, I'll take it.
There's a couple problems.
Sure, you'll take it.
Other people would take it too.
I'm sure people on Twitter have taken it and proven him wrong.
He's ignored it.
But I also think that, like, okay, this is not a good way to determine whether or not people disagree with you because people might think you're a shithead and just not want to engage.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That might be part of people not taking your bet.
Like, the World Health Organization is not going to take this bet.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
The CDC is not going to take your dumb $10 million bet.
jordan holmes
They're busy.
There aren't many things that have been scientifically proven via bet.
Sure.
I think maybe buckyballs are the only things that exist scientifically because two scientists got drunk and bet each other who could make a better.
dan friesen
Well, I believe that the flu of 1918 actually was solved by a game of bags.
It's a little-known fact.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Piece of Americano lure.
I like it.
So there's a very interesting bone of contention about the entire vaccine program between Steve and Alex.
And actually, this should be a deal breaker.
And Alex shouldn't be talking to this guy because he fundamentally disagrees with the baseline premise that Alex has that this is a global depopulation plan.
Right.
Steve does not believe that.
And because Alex wants to retain some kind of a rapport with him, because this guy's really popular in the anti-vex community, Alex has to kind of be like, well, you know, it's just a theory that it's a depopulation.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
This is really pathetic.
Yeah.
alex jones
You were saying that they're idiots and they don't know what they're doing.
I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of folks that are believing this is good and are ignoring the facts of the science and just moving forward.
But big tech is suppressing the illnesses and the problems.
There's major censorship by big pharma.
And I know that they did studies on mRNA systems before, and it did have some of these similar problems.
And so are you saying they're just idiots from the top down?
Or are you saying that there's certain compartmentalized groups that don't know what's going on?
Because I believe, like Dr. Zelenko and others do, this is a global forced depopulation plan.
What do you really think is at the root of it?
I mean, I know we're in an area of some speculation here, but I mean, now this stuff's out in the open.
If they didn't know before, they certainly know now.
steve kirsch
Yeah, I think it's wishful thinking.
People want to believe, like Tony Fauci has said the vaccine is the only way out of this pandemic.
steve krisch
There is no other solution.
Early treatment doesn't work.
steve kirsch
It's vaccine or die.
alex jones
So you're saying it's magical thinking.
steve kirsch
Yeah.
I mean, people want to believe that Tony Fauci is right and they want to make sure that the vaccine works.
So everybody's looking the other way, right?
They're either looking the other way or they're forced to look the other way because their livelihood is threatened.
So it's yeah, it is very much this wishful thinking that's going on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, apparently, when he's talking to somebody that he doesn't really want to fight with, he wants to retain the relationship.
The idea that the globalists have a depopulation plan is a matter of some speculation, as opposed to something that's been documented and Alex has been proven.
He's proved it for 20 fucking years.
And it's a plan that dates back to the age of the devil.
It's fucking nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, if this is his level of conviction, I'm starting to think he's not actually a psychic at all.
dan friesen
I'm starting to think that he doesn't mean a goddamn thing he says if that's his level of conviction.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what, his prophetic dreams are way off if they're that easy to tear down, I suppose.
dan friesen
Hey, look, the globalists exist.
Now, that's a matter of some speculation.
jordan holmes
Now, some people have said in the past, the rumors are.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
The globalists exist.
dan friesen
Inquired minds want to know if the globalists exist.
All right, backpedal some more, you dumb, dumb dick.
All right.
So Steve, I have no respect for, really, based on his presentation here, except for disagreeing with Alex on that point.
At least that takes some, like, he has a position.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I guess I respect that, but that doesn't mean much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I do respect anybody who doesn't immediately yes and to Alex's bullshit.
dan friesen
I'll give him one point for that.
I'll take a lot of points away for all the misuse of Ver's data.
jordan holmes
All the other points are gone.
dan friesen
Yes.
And then this disqualifies him.
steve kirsch
You know, in the UK, the numbers are that if you're age 40, for example, that after several months, I think it's like six months, vaccine efficacy goes negative to like 104%, which means that you're twice as likely to get COVID if you've been vaccinated.
And that's like the opposite of the story.
alex jones
And we hear a record skip right there.
That's even admitted.
Well, what you're saying for new listeners is not even debated.
CNN even had a headline this morning explaining that.
Their answer, though, is more shots.
So it gives you a negative immunity compared to what, and then they're saying the answer is more.
dan friesen
So that's just Steve reporting that fake, misrepresented bullshit.
It was an article in the Expose that Greg Reese did a video about.
We talked about it in episode 609.
And then you hear Alex just trying to connect it to the headline that he's not even talked about the body of the article from the beginning, his main story of the day.
I think that anybody who repeats that narrative about the UK stuff is just like, well, you're gone.
Yeah.
You're not even serious about this.
jordan holmes
I think what I find the most disgusting about it is how you can misremember the lies told about an article so much that when you repeat them to Alex, it is almost as if you were referencing a completely different story, making people feel like, oh, you're backing it up with different research.
Despite it being the same research, you're just so bad at remembering, you don't even bother getting right.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, it's a bummer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a real bummer.
dan friesen
So Alex has a little bit of information that may or may not be from a meme or maybe a viral video.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it has to do with strokes, people getting strokes.
Sure.
And then something really terrifying happens.
jordan holmes
Are there different strokes?
alex jones
And I was bringing up the D-Dimer test I know that 60-plus percent of people on test in the U.S., Canada, and Europe.
It's between 61 and 65, depending on the test I've seen, of people's patients.
They said, hey, let's go ahead and do a D-dimer, then give me the shot, do another D-dimer, and they find, in a very simple form of trial, that 60-plus percent show they have blood clots after.
That's what a D-dimer does.
So please speak to that, sir.
steve kirsch
I'm sure.
Oh, it looks like they've canceled my Twitter account.
So you'll have to follow me on Gab.
I've just got a notice.
jordan holmes
Breaking.
alex jones
I punished you for coming on my show, I guess.
That's a social credit score.
dan friesen
So, yeah, unsurprisingly, Alex is going off a very suspect and bad piece of information making this claim.
It's not from any published or even unpublished study.
There's no data to back this up.
Like I hinted at, this comes from a viral video that was posted by a guy named Dr. Charles Hoff.
It's not from a bunch of doctors and between 60 and 65% based on their patient set.
It's just one guy who made a video.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
He's provided no evidence or data.
And the thing is that even if he did produce data that reflected what he claimed, it still wouldn't mean anything conclusive.
Hoff claims that he's done D-dimer tests on people who recently got the COVID vaccine and that 62% of them had elevated D-dimer levels.
As his argument goes, the elevated D-dimer levels are evidence of blood clots.
However, according to a fact check in Reuters, quote, D-dimer is a blood protein released when a blood clot begins to dissolve or break down.
When the D-dimer level is high, it can be because of a clot, but there are other possible causes, including pregnancy, cigarette smoking, inflammation, or advanced age.
You could just be an older person.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You have elevated levels.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I do think that all of those people who say that there are possible, like there are multiple possible causes for the same result, they're obviously insane.
They're probably not.
Because if there's one result, then there's only one cause.
You can't have different causes come to the same result.
That doesn't make any sense, Dan.
dan friesen
I mean, you're speaking truth here, Michael.
jordan holmes
I mean, if one thing happens, look, if you chop off your finger, then, you know, that's like putting your baby in the microwave.
dan friesen
I can't dispute this, or else I would be waging a war against logic.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So even if Hoff had a perfectly collected set of data that showed elevated D-dimer levels in these people, it still wouldn't prove that there was a high rate of blood clots among them.
He'd still have so much more work to do before he could reach anything close to a conclusion, but you wouldn't get that impression if you just watched his viral video.
It's pretty emphatic about reaching a conclusion.
So it seems like what happened here is that Alex just watched that or saw a meme based on that video, and he decided to do literally no further work on the subject, and he just chose to report this as definitive because he's a lazy fucking liar.
Also, I just checked Twitter and Steve's account is still up.
Maybe he got his account locked for posting some ridiculously false shit, but he didn't get kicked off.
That's just him exaggerating his victimhood and being excited about it.
And then Alex is pretending it's related to him coming on his show so he can exaggerate his own victimhood.
It's a fun game they like to play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, they're not busy.
It's not like anybody's victimizing them.
So they've got the time to find fake ways.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So this is an amazing slip of the tongue on Alex's part.
Probably unintentional, but still quite funny.
They're discussing how the CEO of Pfizer has said that people who put out misinformation about COVID and COVID vaccination, they're criminals because they've caused so much death.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, you know, but if you hear the CEO of Pfizer saying that other people are the cause of so much death, man, you know what?
I don't even.
steve kirsch
And I like that quote you had about the Pfizer CEO saying anybody spreading misinformation about this vaccine should be, that criminal charges should be brought against them.
I'm all for that.
I mean, that would mean that the Surgeon General, that Rochelle Walensky and Anthony Fauci would go to jail.
I'm, you know, I think that's I'm good with that, right?
They are spreading misinformation.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
Bauchi said that he didn't do Ganifunction at Wuhan on record, ordered it directly using the term Ganifunction.
The head of the CDC said that this is a 100% effective vaccine.
Basically, that was a lie.
All they've done is lied to us the whole time.
So, under his yardstick, he'll go to jail too.
dan friesen
He'll go to jail, too.
That indicates to me some awareness on Alex's part that he's spreading misinformation.
unidentified
Because by being art sick, you say he also would go to prison.
It's not saying like they would be the ones who go to prison.
dan friesen
It's like we'd all end up in prison.
jordan holmes
It is, it is, there is a little bit of it that's ha ha!
Look, if I'm going, they're going, and they're not going to go, so they can't get me on it.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Buy that yardstick because they're not going to jail.
unidentified
I'm safe because I've interpreted it.
dan friesen
I've interpreted some bullshit about them as being them spreading misinformation.
Yeah, that is damning.
jordan holmes
I've murdered somebody when I was hanging out with Bill Clinton, so I know I'm getting off scot-free.
dan friesen
I mean, that's just a slip right there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe guilty conscience.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
Ah, fun.
Anyway, it turns out that Steve's Twitter did not get suspended.
steve kirsch
Yeah, so my Twitter account was not suspended.
steve krisch
They sent me a verification email to verify your phone number, and usually, you know, that's kind of a bad sign.
So I did that and got back in.
steve kirsch
And so my Twitter account was not suspended.
steve krisch
So you can still follow me on Twitter.
alex jones
I don't know why you would think that that ever would happen.
They're only censoring everybody else.
steve krisch
Because you would.
steve kirsch
I think of it as a badge of honor that I'm getting their attention.
dan friesen
But I've gotten those emails before.
Like when I used to have a Twitter account that was just mine, I would get those that you have to verify your account.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
These people just fetishize victimhood so much that they love it.
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it is a little bit of that.
Like, do these people really just, should we victimize them?
Is that what they really want?
dan friesen
Seems like it is something they want, but I don't think you should give them what they want.
jordan holmes
That's a fair point.
dan friesen
They'll pretend that you're doing it anyway.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
So we're done with Steve.
Steve takes off.
Bad batting average of people named Steve on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
You got this guy.
You got Steve Quayle.
You got Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a bad.
That's a real.
You know, any name that winds up on InfoWars is usually repeated and it's always bad.
I wouldn't want a Jordan on InfoWars.
dan friesen
An InfoWars Steve is equal to a real-world scooter.
Yes.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what it is.
dan friesen
The rest of this episode could be a bit offensive and difficult for some folks because Alex does start talking about the Travis Scott concert.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so if, you know, if that's something that might be difficult, I would advise maybe you might want to skip the rest of this episode because Alex is pretty gross.
jordan holmes
All in on the, yeah.
dan friesen
So here is him suggesting that that concert and the people who died there, it might have been a demonic sacrifice.
alex jones
There's the headline on Drudge Report.
I'll be talking about that next segment.
The devil made him do it.
Blood sacrifice.
I wasn't sure about this some of the weekend, but now I saw the advertisements they ran front page of the Houston Chronicle and what was said.
So I don't know if the artist Travis Scott or Drake were involved, probably weren't, but the organizers certainly use classically satanic portal to hell iconography and demonic invocations that are classic Satanism.
And then you add everything else to it.
I'm going to give you my take on that.
Look at this.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
I don't like that they're using classic Satanism.
I think you should put your own spin on it.
I think this is the problem with Travis Scott and Drake: they're just repeating old Satanism.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, you got to put your new spin on it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that this is a really disgraceful angle to take on this because, you know, there's obviously failings that happened on a structural level between the security folks.
There were, you know, corners cut in terms of the venue and the putting on of the show.
And those are things that could probably be solved by greater regulation, greater oversight.
And in order to not have that conversation, Alex is turning this into a demonic sacrifice thing.
And that's really pathetic and disrespectful to the people who died.
jordan holmes
I've never hurt.
I've never been like, I wasn't sure, you know, over the weekend.
I wasn't sure if it was a blood sacrifice.
Dot, dot, dot.
I've never said that.
And I've definitely never followed that up with, but now I am.
dan friesen
Then I did.
Then I did some research.
jordan holmes
No, no, I wasn't sure if it was a blood sacrifice ends with, and I'm glad to discover again that it wasn't.
For the 10 millionth consecutive time, it was not a blood sacrifice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm going to play this.
I'm going to play all this like in order of the things that Alex says because I want you to understand how disorienting it is sometimes to listen to his show.
So he's talking about this Travis Scott concert, and then he jumps onto a completely different topic.
alex jones
And that leads us to this poll: 39% of 18 and 24-year-olds now identify as LGBTQ because they think it makes them more politically correct and cool.
Do I hate somebody just because they are attracted to the same sex?
No.
But people used to identify less than 1% as this.
This is advertising.
This is hype.
This is BS.
And the same groups are now pushing pedophilia.
This is destructive and it's designed to make you die alone.
And then once the majority of people are not heterosexual or don't have relationships, then heterosexuals are hunted.
This already happens with the family courts across the country.
And our children are taken to be given to these people because they don't have children.
It's a nightmare system.
We're being hunted like the opening scene of Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston.
He's running from the system.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
I think that there's a pretty simple reason and explanation for why there are rising rates of people who identify as LGBTQ.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
One of the things is that the umbrella is larger than, you know, there's more, I guess, nuanced understanding of different identities and different attractions and such.
And then the other thing is that there's a greater acceptance in society.
So more people are not afraid of, you know, people don't have to hide their sort of identity and their reality as much as maybe they had to in the past.
jordan holmes
I would even say, I would even go so far as to say that the rising rates of self-reporting are probably due to people no longer hunting them as he literally literally did.
dan friesen
Yeah, literally hunting them.
And that's not to say that we live in a perfect time now where people aren't still persecuted for no, they're persecuting them.
jordan holmes
I'm literally talking about they were hunted like with dogs.
I mean, that's a literal thing that happened.
It wasn't like a fake thing that happened and it's an exaggeration.
It's like the most dangerous game was real.
dan friesen
Right.
There's a reality that, you know, the rates of people who are LGBTQ maybe are no different than they were 60, 70 years ago.
jordan holmes
Almost exactly.
dan friesen
We didn't know because people were unable to live publicly and openly.
Yeah.
And, you know, I think that that is probably a better explanation than advertising having a grand gay conspiracy in order to make straight people hunted so their kids will be taken away.
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, the only way to look at those numbers of like, oh, look, there's a rising number of people saying this is to recontextualize the past and think, look at the sheer number of people who were forced to live bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And also, and also this 39% number, I'm not totally sure.
I wasn't able to, I didn't dig deep enough to find the actual study, but I saw the Daily Mail article that Alex is working off of, and there were some red flags around like where this study came from.
It's a Daily Mail article.
jordan holmes
It's a Daily Mail article at the end.
dan friesen
And so I think I'm a little bit suspicious of that number.
Anyway, now that we've been incredibly bigoted, homophobic, transphobic all across the board, let's jump back to Alex blowing hard about rituals on how Travis Scott concert was a demonic ritual.
alex jones
Every culture throughout human recorded history has engaged in rituals because rituals are archetypes, are powerful symbols that unlock areas of our minds and compartmentalized instincts of our ancestors.
That's why geese or butterflies or hummingbirds know how to fly three, four, five thousand miles to a place they've never been to make a nest because it's in their genetics.
It's in their instincts.
It's programmed in.
And so when you see a big event like happened this weekend in Houston with more than 10 people dead, hundreds and hundreds wounded and trampled, you ask, how does this happen?
And then you see the big portal and the big crystal ball and the big hands above it.
And I said on Saturday, put it in a special broadcast that this probably wasn't consciously a satanic ritual.
Well, I have to reverse myself on that because now I've had time to study it.
dan friesen
Wow, Alex is making a correction.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
It's so weird that he never corrects himself on things that he is flagrantly wrong about.
But on this, he said it wasn't a conscious satanic ritual.
And now he has to, hey, I got to correct the record.
jordan holmes
Listen, I think it was on purpose.
You know what?
Over the weekend, I wasn't sure if it was a satanic ritual, and now I'm sure.
And then over the earlier part of the show, I was pretty sure it was an unconscious satanic ritual, but now I'm sure that it was all on purpose.
dan friesen
This guy's the fucking worst.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's great.
alex jones
You can look at this isolated and say, okay, they didn't mean it.
Well, whoever set it up and designed it was definitely in on it.
And Travis Scott does go up on the cherry picker out over the crowd and is pointing down all weird and singing strange while people are flopping around having convulsions and dying.
jordan holmes
Do you mean like Peter Pan?
alex jones
Part of this is the spirit takes you over.
You get programmed interdimensionally at these events, not by the colors and the lights, but by the archetypes it shows you.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
Then humans are all basically psychic.
Once they all get on one wavelength, the system can jack into them and basically take control of them.
And so that's why these type of satanic orgies basically take place.
And yes, then there usually are some people killed, and then you dance around the dead bodies.
That's a very ancient form of this.
dan friesen
Yeah, you see, it all makes sense.
When you lay it out like that, it looks like it's pretty clear kind of.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, no, no, no.
But I'm glad, because I wasn't sure about it.
And now that he's explained it clearly.
Yeah, I get it.
I mean, there's no other explanation for it.
dan friesen
There's a demonic wavelength, and everybody gets on it when you're at a concert.
jordan holmes
And then you get tapped into.
And then the government has power over you.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
I just.
dan friesen
And the government wants to do black magic, and it's because they have deaths.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
alex jones
In the old black magic text, and then the stuff that's literally from the Middle Ages that goes back to Solomon's Temple and back to Egypt, and they believe in all this, and they believe you need blood for power.
You need to pay coins to these spirits, to these aliens, to these entities of dead children and/or virgins.
I mean, they'll take anybody getting killed, but they really are going to give you a lot of power.
They want children.
And that's what this is: is a bunch of demon creatures coming down and grabbing people's children and taking them to hell.
dan friesen
Yeah, so they have debts to these demons that they get power and then they have to deliver the blood of children and virgins.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I have a serious problem with this.
dan friesen
Yeah, me too.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I bet we have different serious problems.
jordan holmes
I think we have different serious problems with this one, but I don't understand now.
Are their rituals real?
Or do they believe that their rituals are real?
dan friesen
Let me clarify.
jordan holmes
But the demons themselves are real.
dan friesen
Let me try to clarify your question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Are you asking whether or not the demons are real or if these people doing the rituals just believe the demons to be real, but they're actually not?
jordan holmes
I am asking.
dan friesen
What does Alex think?
jordan holmes
I'm asking from Alex's point of view.
Right.
Here's what we generally do.
unidentified
Here we go.
Okay.
dan friesen
From Alex's perspective, do the rituals work?
jordan holmes
That's what I'm asking.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Because we've had this conversation so many times where he's like, I'm not saying that it's real, but that's what they believe is real.
And in this circumstance, it really sounds like Alex is saying they're succeeding at calling demons.
dan friesen
We actually do know from other conversations that Alex has had that he does believe that.
He tries to pretend that it's just what they believe.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because that's the way you present yourself as a less insane person.
Like when he's on Rogan's show, he'll pretend that he doesn't believe what they believe.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
No, but on his own show, he talks fairly regularly about believing that these rituals do work and they are demons that are being fed by the blood of children and virgins.
See, this is like Dark Ages shit.
jordan holmes
This is like when you're when you're when you're when you craft narratives, all right, you got to have some rules here.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And now I need to know, I got to have like an isolated list of who can do magic that's real.
Everyone.
But I mean, like, what magic is real?
You know, like, I mean, in the past, we got Harry Potter magic is real, obviously.
dan friesen
Dude, I shiver.
You said the name of the boy who lived.
jordan holmes
But it's like, what, and then we go to the Aztecs and the Middle Ages are all real.
Like, what are, now let's get even weirder with it.
Are any Asian religions real?
Any of them?
Can they do magic?
steve kirsch
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Secondary question.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If the demons grant great power for child sacrifices and the blood of virgins and stuff, why aren't the Aztecs still on top of the world?
They did a lot of sacrifices.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I think that I think we all know how all of these civilizations fell.
Somebody forgot to do the sacrifice on these shit.
And then it was, yeah, everybody, every human, every human civilization has ended like this.
Oh, is today Tuesday?
dan friesen
Oh, actually.
Actually, I guess the rebuttal to that or the answer to my problem is Alex would just say that the globalists have done secretly way more sacrifices than all the rest of these.
jordan holmes
Because the civilization itself was no longer valuable to the globalists, so then they started a different one.
dan friesen
Or because abortion counts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, abortion counts for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, okay.
All right.
We've talked ourselves through this.
I think the answer to your question is that Alex does believe that the rituals work.
And I think that the answer to your question is that anybody can do these things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But you got to do something to contact the demons first.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like you have to commit some horrible sin or whatever to open up the porthole to hell or something.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
I mean, is alchemy real?
Can we turn lead into gold?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
I just, you know, when you open it up to these rituals, actually summon literal demons.
Now all bets are off.
Right.
dan friesen
Can you throw bones down?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes.
Exactly.
dan friesen
Probably.
So Alex is done with this disgraceful bullshit.
And then he just lies about Gavin Newsome.
jordan holmes
So that's fun.
alex jones
Well, they said Newsome was going to show up at 11.30 Pacific at an event today.
He didn't show up.
And he wasn't at the Getty wedding.
But they say he's going to be at a vaccine clinic tomorrow in the morning.
So we'll see if that's true.
dan friesen
He was at that vaccine clinic and he was also at the Getty wedding.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is just making that up.
Anyway, Alex has another guest.
jordan holmes
Man, that wedding really doesn't bother me at all.
dan friesen
I figured as soon as I was like, well, one of the pieces of evidence that he hasn't been in hiding all this time is that he was at that wedding.
I was like, bring that up.
Jordan's going to be pretty mad about it.
I'm not going to like that wedding.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I think we can all agree that it was tasteful.
It's a real problem.
It was just restrained.
jordan holmes
It almost makes it.
I'm so mad.
I can't stop laughing when I think of this.
dan friesen
It was a classy affair.
jordan holmes
It's a parody of reality.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yep.
Don't disagree.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has another guest on at the end of this episode.
And it's Dr. Stella Emmanuel, who's the sort of anti-vax, pro-hydroxychloroquine ivermectin doctor.
jordan holmes
One of the top doctors in the world.
dan friesen
Who believes that various gynecological problems are caused by sex with demons and what have you.
Yeah.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
You don't like your vulva.
Demon did it.
dan friesen
She believes that God was given her visions back in 2011.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And we are now living in Revelation.
dr stella immanuel
The Lord started showing me this in 2011, that something was coming.
And if we go back in the book of Revelation, Revelation 13, we're right in Revelation.
Every Christian has to read the book of Revelation.
Even if you're not a Christian, read the book of Revelation.
It's today's news.
Revelation 6 really just tells you what's going to be happening.
When the globalists are trying to kill half of the world, Revelation tells you half of the world is going to die.
But the issue is that you have to die in Christ.
People need to give their life to Christ.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Also, the Avengers endgame.
Half the world dies.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That is true.
I mean, you know, is that predictive programming?
dan friesen
Probably.
So, yeah, the Revelation, the Book of Revelations is today's news.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember, what was it?
Was it the 22nd of October when the fourth seal opened?
Which, there was a dragon.
That was so weird.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But, you know, it was gone after a couple of days.
dan friesen
It wasn't actually a seal.
it was a sea lion.
Yeah, so we got off on a...
unidentified
This is the problem with headlines.
Um...
dan friesen
So, yeah, I think if you listen to Stella, you would think that Revelation is upon us.
And if you get sick, don't go to the fucking hospital.
That's dumb.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's terrible.
dr stella immanuel
Right now, our hospitals have become a jail cell of death.
Avoid going to the hospital.
The way to avoid going to the hospital is to make sure you have hydroxyplopin and avometin.
To make sure when you have that first sniffle, you take care of it.
dan friesen
She's advising people to stockpile on these medications.
And if you get a sniffle, start taking it because who knows?
Maybe you don't have COVID, but it couldn't hurt.
Take meds.
Take meds that you might not need.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's medical advice.
You just love science.
Especially whenever you see it portrayed so well.
dan friesen
So there's this Luciferase that's in these shots, apparently.
And it's the mark of the beast.
jordan holmes
You should know that.
You should know that.
There has not been a time in my life whenever we have not been in the book of Revelations and the Mark of the Beast has not been on the tip of everyone's tongue.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So the shot is officially the mark of the beast.
dr stella immanuel
Like I said, we're in Revelation right now, in Revelation 13.
And anybody should, it's just like Christians don't read the Bible.
Revelation 13, verse 17 said, and no man will buy or sell save he has the mark of the beast, the name of the beast or the number of the beast.
Alex, right now, the Modela vaccine has Luciferis in it.
That's the name of the beast.
unidentified
Hold on.
alex jones
I'll give you five more minutes with us.
I want you to talk about that and lead us in a prayer next segment before Paul Joseph Watson takes over briefly.
Tell folks where they find your book, your website.
dan friesen
Man, Paul Joseph Watson cannot be happy about following that Stella Emmanuels ought to lead the world in prayer.
unidentified
Now let's go to Paul.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm a little bit disappointed to hear this because for the last 20 years, I've been operating under the assumption that UPC symbols were the mark of the beast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there have been so many marks of the beast.
I'm not sure which one I would.
Which do you prefer?
dan friesen
Definitely the UPC symbol.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Well, at least that's like in order to buy and sell, you know, like obviously with the scanners and stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In order to buy this, you got to have a symbol on it to scan.
Like that at least is like, all right, I get where you're going with this.
jordan holmes
See, now I've always been a bigger fan because of the social security number being the mark of the beast, because if you're undocumented, then you can still buy stuff, though.
dan friesen
Sure, but I mean, and that's why the shot is actually a faulty thing here, too, because you can still order things to be delivered.
Even if we get to a point where you can't go out in public if you are unvaccinated, you can still order shit.
Contactless delivery still exists.
jordan holmes
The Bible had no idea that drones would be able to deliver things.
The mark of the beast never was going to work in the first place.
dan friesen
The Bible really should have foreseen people leaving stuff at your door.
Dropping things off.
jordan holmes
I mean, it was fuck.
What is Passover but the original home delivery?
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it's the reverse.
jordan holmes
It's a little, it's a home, yeah.
It's like when they take away your refrigerator.
dan friesen
So we got one last clip, and it's not Stella Emmanuel praying.
jordan holmes
That's good.
unidentified
But I don't know how well I would have done.
dan friesen
It might be one of the most disgraceful things I've heard on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
I'm excited for that.
dan friesen
Might be indicative of something maybe illegal, but definitely unethical.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dr stella immanuel
Yeah.
See, Alex, before we go into that, for people that, like I said, everybody needs to go on our website for your listeners.
If they put the promo code Alex, they can get a 5% off when they sign up to get their hydroxychloroquine or whatever, even a book or whatever.
They can get a 5% off just to help out.
So this is a spiritual battle.
dan friesen
So Alex or Stella has a promo code, promo code Alex, for his listeners to get a discount on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
unidentified
I don't know for sure.
dan friesen
But typically, whenever you have a referral program like this, you get a cut.
Like when Alex had promo code Alex at my pillow, that was because they had a sort of affiliate marketing link.
Yeah.
So I wonder, I wonder if Alex has some kind of a financial interest in Stella Emmanuel's hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
jordan holmes
She wasn't like use the promo code dollop.
unidentified
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is a little bit of a mess.
And I don't know.
I don't know what to think about this.
I know that in the past, Alex has had like Max Kaiser tried to screw Alex with that.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Because he had a Bitcoin kind of thing and he had a promo code, Alex.
And I was like, I didn't say you could do this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that if Alex is on board with this, it's one of the more unethical things I've ever heard.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that one's bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex is promoting all of these ineffective cures and simultaneously has a promo code on Stella Emmanuel's website for people to buy said ineffective cures.
jordan holmes
You know, like snake oil salesmen had to go from town to town.
You know, they had to do all this work.
They had to, but if they, if they had ever dreamed of just like, okay, all I have to do is give people a promo code and they'll just buy this shit.
I don't have to even convince them.
That's bananas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
So we reach the end here, and I hope, I don't know, someone should probably investigate that.
jordan holmes
I think.
The FTC seems dicey.
That's unfortunate.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's interesting to get back to Alex after this weird week, but you know, he's gross.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because those aren't supplements.
Those are actual medications, you know?
Yeah.
That's real drugs.
You can pull this bullshit with like, oh, zinc.
Yeah.
The FTC doesn't give a fuck about zinc.
They should, but they don't.
dan friesen
Yeah, right.
The reason that you have to go to Stella Emmanuel is because you need a prescription for that.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, this is not good.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Not good.
There's a law.
dan friesen
It's got to be illegal.
jordan holmes
There's got to be a law somewhere.
And if there isn't, how did we miss that law?
dan friesen
Yeah, there should be.
We might need to fix that.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve krisch
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So sorry about that.
dan friesen
A lot of disappointing false predictions about Gavin or Newsom.
jordan holmes
Gavin or Newsom.
Why haven't we called him Gavin or if Arnold's the governator, then he's the Gavinator?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Gavinor.
Yeah.
So that was a bummer.
The Steve guy is nuts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex has decided that the Travis Scott concert's a blood ritual.
Fun.
unidentified
Anyway, we'll be back next week with a new blood ritual.
Yeah.
dan friesen
See what other bullshit Alex is up to.
But until then, Jordan Wave website.
unidentified
We do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
unidentified
We are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and that go to bed, Jordan.
alex jones
Yeah, we'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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