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Aug. 4, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#583: August 1, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan reunite to discuss Alex Jones' Sunday broadcast.  In this installment, Alex can't keep his conspiracies about scenario-based exercises straight, misreports a couple of stories, and makes a noise that that Jordan was unprepared for. Citations

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alex jones
13:09
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dan friesen
53:17
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jordan holmes
25:22
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mike adams
06:00
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unidentified
Knowledgefight.
Damn, and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fifth time calling in my future.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm George.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
I have a thought.
I wanted to run this by you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I was thinking, instead of saying we're a couple of dudes, I could say that we're the Peabody and Sherman of podcasting.
jordan holmes
I think that might be the only accurate way to describe us.
dan friesen
So we're the Peabody and Sherman of podcasting, we worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I think it's good.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It doesn't roll off my tongue as well as I hoped it would.
jordan holmes
I don't like the we're the Peabody and Sherman.
Let's just...
Change their names to Peabody and Sherman.
dan friesen
All right, I'm Peabody.
Wait, which one's which?
No, Mr. Peabody's the dog.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Mr. Peabody's the dog.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
Come on.
unidentified
There's no way I'm Mr. Peabody, so let's just skip that part.
dan friesen
Jordan?
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
It's great to be back.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Don't call it a comeback.
jordan holmes
I won't.
dan friesen
I guess my bright spot has been...
I really have enjoyed, over the time that you've been gone, making buttons.
I've gotten a ton of them sent out, and there's a ton more to send out.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I would just like to give this little reminder to everyone that if you've not heard back from the emails, I can't respond to all these emails.
There are way too many.
Way more than I expected there to be.
Way more than last time.
But they're all being sent out.
But it's fun.
I'm not complaining at all.
I really do enjoy it.
It's a great treat to be able to give a gift to a ton of people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not like biting off more than you can chew.
It's like...
Picking out a buffet and deciding that it's gonna take a few weeks to finish the entire goddamn buffet, but you will eat that goddamn buffet.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
That's how I'm looking at it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it is still...
It continues to be fun, and give me an excuse to watch a bunch of Survivor while you're gone.
And so I would like to say that season 13...
jordan holmes
13?
dan friesen
I think is the best season that I've seen so far.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Wow!
I thought you were gonna...
You were telling me that it was about to fall off the cliff.
You had seen the future coming and...
It was going to be a disaster.
dan friesen
Well, they introduced Exile Island, and then also they introduced the Hidden Immunity Idol, and these are signs of bad things to come.
That's for sure.
jordan holmes
That's what you have made clear.
dan friesen
And I will tell you this.
Season 14 is where way too many twists start.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Where they start throwing curveballs for no reason.
Like, you can't plan from episode to episode, like...
I don't even know if this is going to be my tribe tomorrow.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
This week on Survivor, you're on The Bachelorette.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
It's almost abusive, the level of twist.
dan friesen
But season 13 was the one that starts out divided by races.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
They start with an African-American tribe, an Asian-American tribe, a white tribe.
jordan holmes
Interesting!
dan friesen
Yeah, and a Hispanic tribe.
Wild!
Not comfortable at first.
It's 2005, 2006.
unidentified
That sounds about right.
jordan holmes
That's when you might get away with that shit.
dan friesen
Someone thought it was a great idea and that maybe it would prompt conversation.
jordan holmes
Survivor Season 13, Race Wars.
dan friesen
Yeah, it doesn't...
It's bad at the beginning.
But the story that develops towards the middle of the season and throughout is maybe one of the more compelling things I've seen on that show.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
I don't want to spoil anything, but it gets high marks.
jordan holmes
I think a lot of people would hate it if you spoiled something from 16 years ago.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So what about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is, well, you know, I had an absolutely fantastic trip.
It was astonishing.
We adventured a lot.
We saw waterfalls.
I climbed a goddamn two mile long.
Well, you know, I hiked it.
But I went up high.
You know, we're from here where there's no high.
It's just flat.
dan friesen
Yeah, concrete.
jordan holmes
Over there, though, so high.
dan friesen
There's a lot of things.
They're up.
jordan holmes
No, whenever I got up there, I could see other things from further away.
dan friesen
Oh, that reminds me of Season 5 of Survivor, where they went up on a hill.
jordan holmes
No, but it was an amazing trip.
It's great to be back.
My bright spot is I feel like life is bright.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's good.
That's always a nice thing to reclaim after a vacation.
Get to see your dogs again.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was amazing.
dan friesen
I'm sure they were quite missed.
jordan holmes
Went apeshit when they saw me this morning.
Went and picked them up.
They jumped into my face.
Fanny bit off half of my beard.
It was brutal.
dan friesen
I needed a trim anyway.
jordan holmes
I needed a trim.
You got it.
dan friesen
So, folks, when we last left you.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
On this serialized show.
jordan holmes
So are we going to finally figure out who shot JR?
dan friesen
No, but I had been not feeling all that well.
It was not that huge of a deal.
I did get tested for COVID and everything.
It was all negative and what have you.
And the only reason I bring this back up is because we're coming back here on a Wednesday and I'd really hoped that we would have been able to record some stuff before your vacation and then have it to sort of smooth things out on either end of it.
Because I was not feeling well, we weren't able to, and I appreciate everybody being understanding.
jordan holmes
And a huge thanks to Jared as well.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I listened to the episode.
dan friesen
It was a delight to meet Jared Holt and make fun of him about how he went on Reliable Sources.
jordan holmes
Sorry, sorry, I missed that.
I had a couple, it was weird listening to you guys talk because I was listening as I was there and I was like, ooh, I got something funny to say.
Wait, I can't say it?
dan friesen
I don't have a mic.
jordan holmes
This is wrong!
dan friesen
Brutal.
So another thing that's interesting is we might be witches.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Alex was in Lake Tahoe all last week.
jordan holmes
No.
Unacceptable.
I refuse.
I refuse.
Dan.
Prior to this show, the number of coincidences per month in my life, very low.
Now it seems astonishingly high.
dan friesen
The fact that our schedules match up in a very strange way when we don't really announce these things all that far in advance is upsetting, to say the least.
jordan holmes
I don't like it.
dan friesen
So yeah, there wasn't actually all that much to deal with in terms of Alex last week, so it would have been...
You know, no man's land anyway.
So today we are back.
jordan holmes
Yay!
dan friesen
We're going to be discussing August 1st, 2021 Blackjack.
This is the Sunday, Sunday episode.
Very exciting stuff to go over.
But before we get to that, Jordan, let's take a little moment and say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Tyrus, everyone knows you're actually a secret reptile and we are constantly watching everything you do.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Tyrus.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Caroline J. from the Mohawk Nation in Ontario, Canada.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Caroline!
dan friesen
Next, ride the cats to Valhalla.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, the boulder.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
The boulder is coming for you!
dan friesen
Sunday.
jordan holmes
That was Mick Foley in Avatar.
unidentified
Was it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, in Avatar The Last Airbender, there was an episode where they meet Toph, the earthbending, well, actually the first metalbender.
And anyways, they do a whole nice professional wrestling thing, and Mick Foley plays the boulder and does a full-on wrestling promo guy.
dan friesen
You got me really excited that Mick Foley was a Na 'vi.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man!
dan friesen
In the other avatar.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I don't think so.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
Next, I've listened to both of your god-awful movie episodes twice.
Bring on more bad movies.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we've got a technocrat to give a shout-out to.
So, what's up to the quokka that gave Alex Jones syphilis?
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare info war on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, pronounced that quokka.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Also, in updates to additions to Celine's family, we'd like to say thank you so much to Katie.
Who adopted a blue-footed boobie because they needed some feathers.
In this family.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So that's very exciting.
We got a blue-footed boobie who is now one of Selene's children.
jordan holmes
Here's the problem.
So far, every time we do something, it winds up spiraling out of control.
Yeah.
I think this one might get us to arc levels of out of control.
Like, eventually everyone's going to realize that the only way we're going to make it through this is if we have two of every animal in the cult of Selene.
That's just what's going to have to happen.
dan friesen
Let's not let it get to that point, but...
We do appreciate people adopting wildlife.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So, we're going to start here on Sunday, and here's where Alex is at.
Big news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
COVID.
Bad news.
jordan holmes
Bad news?
dan friesen
Bad news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Go to the front page of Infowars.com.
You will see today's headline that we have the live show feed posted in.
And it's quite a shocking headline.
The British government officially warns that...
2.6 billion plus people.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
Whenever you're ready.
alex jones
That 2.6 billion people may die as a result of the mutations coming from the so-called...
COVID-19 vaccines that are really just genetically modified injections.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
The British media is really letting it slip.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Wow.
Okay.
dan friesen
Did you hear this story while you were on vacation?
jordan holmes
I feel like if...
dan friesen
Did you miss this one?
jordan holmes
If the British press had just been like 2.6 billion gonna die, I think even I would have heard that in the mountains.
unidentified
Somebody would have screamed that far enough away.
dan friesen
A hawk would have come out of nowhere to deliver the news.
So Alex is just talking about an article here in the Daily Mail that discusses some recent comments from the UK's Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, also known as SAGE.
They warned that the possibility of a mutation occurring that could make COVID as deadly as MERS was, quote, a realistic possibility.
The part that Alex is completely ignoring about the article is the part where it also says, quote, the SAGE report also claimed it was equally realistic that COVID will mutate to become less lethal over time.
alex jones
Hmm.
jordan holmes
So, coming from the Sage Council, future uncertain.
dan friesen
Yes.
Could be bad.
Also, could be good.
Could be great.
This was a paper that encouraged the UK government to not give in to complacency, because at this point, there's really no way to know how COVID's going to evolve in the future.
The part about vaccines creating the mutations is just a simple misrepresentation of a single line in this Daily Mail article that says, quote, In a downside of Britain's hugely successful vaccination drive, the team warned the country's greater levels of immunity may help speed up the virus's evolutionary process.
This isn't saying that vaccines create mutations.
That's just Alex's made-up version of what that means.
It's clear if you read the underlying report that this is a reference to the phenomenon known as selection pressure that occurs whenever you treat an illness.
You wouldn't say that antibiotics create antibiotic-resistant strains of illness.
But if you don't take a full course of antibiotics, you might fuck around and create antibiotics-resistant strains of things.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How many times do we have to discuss evolutionary arms races before people are like, oh, evolutionary arms race is what's going on right here.
I gotcha.
dan friesen
That's what that was in reference to.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
If you do care to look for this and actually, you know, you can find the report if you want to look into primary sources instead of what Alex does, which is just skim Daily Mail articles.
It's pretty easy to find, that paper, if you want.
It's titled SPI-M-O, Statement on Their Concerns for the Next Few Months.
The framing of this document is really clear, in that it's discussing possible circumstances the UK could find itself in that officials need to keep in mind as they embark on, quote, the final step of easing restrictions.
Primarily, they list a key concern as being that, quote, any epidemic trajectory that could lead to unsustainable pressure on the NHS or other adverse outcomes would need to be identified and contingency enacted within days.
The report itself actually has a graphic at the bottom of it that explains what they mean when they say realistic possibility.
This is something that has about a 40-50% chance in their estimation.
It's slightly more probable than unlikely, and less likely than likely.
All this context is absent from Alex's coverage because he's just interested in misrepresenting headlines in order to scare the audience into whatever direction he thinks is going to be profitable that day.
Also...
That 2.6 billion number, that isn't from the report.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
This is just a calculation, Alex, or maybe you could even blame the Daily Mail for this.
It's just taking the death rate that you would have of MERS, which would be about one...
jordan holmes
And then applying it to the infection rates that we see currently.
dan friesen
No.
Applying it to the entire world population.
So it's assuming that the entire world population...
jordan holmes
Everyone gets it.
dan friesen
Yes.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
It's a little sloppy.
jordan holmes
That is a little sloppy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that what you have is a Daily Mail report that's kind of, eh, not great in terms of the underlying primary source.
jordan holmes
From the Daily Mail?
dan friesen
And then Alex is even further off course, just with nonsense.
But yeah, the British media is saying that...
2.6 billion, huh?
jordan holmes
You know, I think one of the big problems that we're experiencing right now is a simple kind of error, which is that in order to deal with this, we needed leaders who had the courage to say things that people didn't want to hear and then enforce those things as being necessary.
But our system...
Everyone doesn't reward courageous leaders.
It punishes them for sometimes being wrong or being right in a mean way.
And so instead, we've got a bunch of fucking cowards!
dan friesen
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is a mess.
But, you know what?
One thing I really always appreciate about someone like an Alex, even if he is, you know, off track sometimes, he really knows how to keep his own stories straight.
You know, like, he has these things...
jordan holmes
I haven't been gone that long, Dan.
dan friesen
He has these things that he's researched, and, like, he knows them.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Forward and backward.
jordan holmes
Almost too much.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He's got a really good handle on stuff.
alex jones
Here's the more incredible point, and I'm really wrapping my brain around this war game.
Remember Crimson Contagion that we covered four or five months ago that got millions, ten million views or so?
General Flynn said it was the best work he'd seen on COVID.
All we were doing was going over the war game from three and a half years ago.
Put out by the Rockefellers and others.
Saying they would inject people with this vaccine.
Everybody would get sick.
And then out of that would collapse civilization.
Spars pandemic.
And then the Crimson Contagion.
Emergency Saturday broadcast.
World shock by Spars 2025-2028 document.
It's the Spars document.
And then that's carried on into Crimson Contagion.
dan friesen
It's really sad to hear the way Alex is talking about these two exercises.
He's made up a ton of shit about both to the point where he doesn't even remember which is which.
The reality of either underlying thing isn't even something that he's connected to any longer, which is outrageous.
Neither of these things that he's talking about were run by the Rockefeller Institute, which he's trying to imply.
Crimson Contagion was a series of exercises run by the HHS.
It was a government operation.
Because it was a big, elaborate scenario thing, there were a bunch of governmental and non-governmental participants.
In the report, there's actually a list of non-governmental participants, and the Rockefeller Foundation isn't even one of them.
SPARS was a scenario exercise that was run by Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
These are two very different exercises, and the fact that Alex can get them confused is a very strong indication that he doesn't know anything about them past their name and the stories that he's made up about them.
Crimson Contagion was a government-run series of exercises about the fictitious discovery of a novel influenza virus, not a coronavirus.
In Crimson Contagion, the idea was to test interagency collaboration as well as collaboration with non-governmental agencies and tribal leaders to see what challenges would arise in the course of responding to a new infectious disease.
The report is largely about the things that they learned in the course of role-playing, like, quote, This is not like an elaborate scenario that's fleshed out with a ton of detail in this case.
Because the point of the exercise was to have a basic problem that required coordination to address, which would create the opportunity for people to test that coordination in a safe environment and identify problems ahead of time.
Conversely, SPARS is a little bit of a different kind of scenario exercise.
This isn't something that was role-played like Crimson Contagion was.
It's instead a document that lays out a fictitious future series of events, then poses questions about how you could best respond to those developments.
SPARS is an exercise that is explicitly about messaging and public health risk communication, so it's something that doesn't really lend itself to role-playing in the way the Crimson Contagion did.
Trying to explore challenges of public health messaging would be hard to do in a role-playing environment without a fake audience to send the messages to, so it makes a lot more sense to approach the issue in this format, where you have discussion questions and scenarios like, how would you respond if you got this curveball thrown at you?
jordan holmes
So let's say Crimson Contagion was like a basketball practice, and Spars is like fantasy football.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
Like, the basketball practice, you've got people playing, you're running through the scenarios that might come up in a game, and in the fantasy football, you're studying, and you're taking data and extrapolating based on that.
dan friesen
Or maybe, like, Spars is like you at a chalkboard working out a play, or whatever.
unidentified
Sure, perfect.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Each section of that Spars document is meant to highlight a different communication challenge that officials could face in the context of a pandemic.
Chapter 17 is about messaging surrounding potential vaccine side effects, but none of the information Alex is providing is in any way consistent with any of that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's interesting when you are basing things on reality that have reference points, you can refer back to those if you forget details, you know?
dan friesen
If you make up details.
jordan holmes
See, now, if you make up details about things and then create a completely different thing based around it and then forget what that is, you can't go back and find it.
dan friesen
Well, you certainly can't find the thing that says the thing you say it says.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But you can still say the name of the thing and convince people you have read it and know what you're talking about.
unidentified
You got it.
dan friesen
I understand the basic pieces of information that Alex is trying to run with here, and it's all bullshit, but I want to really drive home here that Alex doesn't even know the fake things he's talking about.
He put out an emergency special report on Saturday where he started to get into this stuff, and here's what he said.
alex jones
And you know what makes me even more concerned?
You know why I'm really freaked out?
I'll be covering this on the Sunday show tomorrow, 4 to 6 p.m. with the document.
Crimson contagion from four years ago?
Three years ago?
They say in there that they're going to roll out a vaccine for a coronavirus, and a year later it's going to turn out it kills a bunch of people.
And they even say public health officials will step down and apologize, and they're going to have new vaccines that will protect you from the variants that the mistaken, failed vaccine creates.
dan friesen
So he was just saying that it was Crimson Contagion on Saturday, which matches basically zero of the details he's describing.
So I would guess, here's what I guess, I would guess that he decided he was going to really push Crimson Contagion super hard on Saturday.
And then sometime in between then and the Sunday show, one of his interns or someone was like, You got the document wrong.
You're talking about a different thing.
And that's why he corrected himself on the Sunday show.
But here he is on Saturday.
Again, still just trying to push it as Crimson Contagion.
alex jones
And if you read Crimson Contagion, if you read Event 201, if you read Operation Lockstep from the Rockefellers, and the Rockefeller Foundation is now in complete control of world policy, Gates didn't move partially.
jordan holmes
Oh!
I didn't know that.
alex jones
They talk about how it's all going to come out they did this, and how they're going to spin that through fear.
To then make you want to take even more vaccines they've created.
But the saviors are going to come to you who are against all of this, who have the new vaccine that will protect you from the last vaccine.
Now that was in Crimson Contagion three, four years ago.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I guess Bill Gates has been partially removed, too.
jordan holmes
I did not know that.
He'd gone from being in the Council of Twelve to being mid-level management, and now he's out of the game completely?
dan friesen
I'm guessing if I were to ask Alex where he found out about this, he'd say it's in the white papers or something, and then...
I would just run into a wall.
jordan holmes
It would be a really interesting document to read while you're reading it.
It's in the trades?
While you're reading it, it's like, and then when people read this document will make them afraid of the document itself.
And you're like, wait a second, I'm reading the thing you're telling me I'm supposed to be afraid of now.
It's a mirror in a mirror.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But I think that it's really important to understand how weak a grasp Alex has on these basic details about the primary sources that he's misusing.
All these names are interchangeable for him because none of them actually are even real.
According to him.
In his world, they aren't real.
jordan holmes
No, they absolutely aren't.
dan friesen
Over the course of his broadcasts, he's created entirely fictional versions of Crimson Contagion, Event 201, and Spars, and then he's just completely fabricated Operation Lockstep out of that Rockefeller document that he's never read.
These documents are real, and they're actually interesting to read, but not for the reasons that Alex insists they are.
It's all fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the problem is, he's created so many bullshit.
Scenarios out of these two scenarios, you know?
Like, he's written an entire universe filled with characters trying to kill you and all of these things, and it's like The Simpsons, but, you know...
He can't remember any of the episodes, so he just kind of picks and chooses whoever shows up, and you're like, no, that's not where that goes, man.
That's not where Comic Book Guy is supposed to be.
Comic Book Guy is back over there helping Bill Gates murder everybody.
Why are you putting Comic Book Guy in this episode, you know?
dan friesen
I should tell you that on the Saturday show, he does say that Bill Maher is starting to come around.
So he might be working on casting people against type.
jordan holmes
Now we're back at that again.
dan friesen
Secret Patriot Bill Murray.
Yikes.
So this is where I got worried.
I was listening to this and I was like, oh man, Alex, he might have prepared.
alex jones
This information, I studied today like six hours, and when I almost fell down, I got dizzy when I contemplated when I stood up.
I almost had a nervous breakdown.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
So dramatic.
dan friesen
He might have prepared today.
jordan holmes
So melodramatic.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I was working on this for six hours, and I got dizzy when I stood up.
jordan holmes
I got dizzy when I stood up.
dan friesen
It was so intense, I got dizzy from the information.
I don't know how much harder he could try to convince people that he's doing anything.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
I have been working nonstop.
I haven't slept for the past 48 hours.
And the last time that I stood up, I lost one of my feet.
And then I grabbed it and I put it back on.
I said, I gotta go to work today!
dan friesen
It's all because I've been reading.
Globalist plans.
What globalist plans?
jordan holmes
Oh, you know.
dan friesen
Crimson Contagion.
jordan holmes
Listen, I would get into it, but I got dizzy the last time I learned about it, so I can't talk.
dan friesen
You don't want to risk that.
You don't want to risk that.
So Alex gets into a little bit of something I would call a little bit fear monger-ish as he comes back from break.
alex jones
Antibody dependent enhancement.
That's the term you're going to get to know real, real well when your friends, your family, and you bleed out and die in the near future.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, antibody-dependent enhancement is a real phenomenon that scientists do see at times.
But it's actually really funny that Alex is trying to connect the possibility to COVID vaccines for a number of reasons.
The biggest of them is that the possibility of ADE was absolutely something that researchers and experts were discussing in the early stages of developing a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
If there is an active pandemic, giving people something that will make them respond worse to contact with viruses is going to be ultimately counterproductive and probably one of the things they're going to check off early.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
The best way to understand ADE is by talking about the first place it was identified, which was in relation to dengue fever.
There are four varieties or serotypes of dengue fever numbered 1 through 4. If you get sick with dengue fever type 1 and then you survive, your body will create antibodies that protect you from that serotype, should you ever encounter it in the future.
That's great news.
However, the problem is that if you run into serotype 2, 3, or 4, there's a decent chance that the antibodies you have against serotype 1 will actually enhance the ability of dengue fever to replicate and evade being neutralized inside your body.
A secondary infection is actually really much worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
The concept is a bit more complicated than that, but that's the basic idea of what the concerns are about ADE.
In past studies, there's been indications that SARS and MERS were two diseases whose treatment involved concerns about ADE.
Since this new virus, SARS-CoV-2, is closely related to those two, that was an obvious question that people were discussing.
You can find tons of papers on the subject from early in the time of when vaccines were starting to come around.
jordan holmes
Because the way he says it, too, is like, antibody, that's a term you're going to get to know real well as your family's bleeding out.
And it's like, no.
I won't because they already learned it real well.
That's the point.
You're the only person hearing about it for the first time.
dan friesen
He's blowing minds, baby.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
dan friesen
Some early indications raised concerns that having vaccines that attack viral proteins of COVID had the potential to cause ADE, which is one of the reasons that research skewed very heavily in the direction of mRNA vaccines and the targeting of spike protein instead of the viral...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Alex is pretending this is some kind of a big issue that everyone's ignoring, but it's not.
The scientific community has kept the phenomenon well in mind, and...
The pandemic response has gone on, and follow-up research on people who have been vaccinated and had breakthrough infections actually has shown that there really aren't signs of ADE with COVID.
If there were ADE happening, you would expect to see vaccinated people having more severe cases of COVID when they're exposed to the virus.
But in reality, the cases among vaccinated people are statistically less severe and have led to less hospitalizations and deaths, which are very strong indications that ADE is not something that's in play.
jordan holmes
And I mean, just the fact that the vaccine has documented effectiveness against new variants as well would suggest very obviously that it's not that huge of a problem.
then we would see an increased or even greater negative reaction from the Delta variant if you were vaccinated against whatever, you know?
dan friesen
Yes.
I was listening to this and I thought that it was pretty clear that this is basically going to be how Alex explains away future deaths.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to say that they're all just people who are vaccinated who have ADE-related issues where they got the vaccine and then they got the challenge of being exposed to COVID and the globalists killed them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
So here's some big news.
I don't know, but I don't think this is big news.
jordan holmes
You don't think it's big news?
dan friesen
I don't think it's accurate.
jordan holmes
Alright.
alex jones
Alright, I'm Alex Jones, your host.
This is a live Sunday, August 1st, 2021 transmission.
And let me just start right here with the big announcement.
It is not debated by the CDC.
It is not debated by the NIH, National Institute of Health.
It is not debated by the NIH or the British.
National Health Service or any of the major governments in the world that the so-called COVID-19 vaccinations, whether they be a virus vector from Johnson& Johnson or AstraZeneca, or whether they be an mRNA from Moderna or Pfizer, all of them make you get COVID and make you shed COVID and make you create deadly variants and doesn't work.
dan friesen
Well, it's good to know that Alex has learned that AstraZeneca isn't an mRNA vaccine by this point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's an improvement.
jordan holmes
Good work.
dan friesen
Although I will say my counterpoint to all this is all of that would absolutely be debated by any of the groups that Alex listed.
There's complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's an insane thing to say.
dan friesen
So I'm going to lay out the claim that Alex is making just so we can parse this because it's really stupid.
He's saying that all these different COVID vaccines, one, make you get COVID.
Two, make you shed COVID.
Three, make you create deadly variants.
And four, don't work.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
None of this is true.
jordan holmes
How could four be true if one through three are true?
dan friesen
Well, that's one of my problems with actually the fourth point, is I don't know what not work means.
It's too nonspecific for me to take seriously, so I'm not even going to address it.
jordan holmes
Not just that, but I mean, if the point of it is to give people COVID, shed COVID, and then create deadly variants, then it very clearly is working.
dan friesen
Well, that's why I don't care to engage.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
His version of work and mine could be different.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
As it very clearly is.
With point three, the claim that the vaccines make people create deadly variants of the virus.
That just doesn't stand up to scrutiny either.
The variants that we're seeing identified now came into existence before the vaccines were developed and administered, so I guess unless he has some other mystery variants that he's talking about, I'm not going to take this seriously either.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Point one just isn't true.
The vaccines don't make you get COVID.
jordan holmes
That's not how vaccines work!
dan friesen
No.
So this leaves us with point two about shedding virus, which is the only part that even comes close to being interesting.
Some recent preprint studies have shown some indications that it's possible for people who have been vaccinated but end up catching a breakthrough case of the Delta variant, they could be as infectious as unvaccinated persons.
This is a matter that we are definitely, we need more data on before we can jump to any solid conclusions, but it's something that makes it clear that we should all be cautious.
These same studies that suggest this possibility also found, quote, viral loads decreased faster in the vaccinated group, so either way, there appears to be concrete public health advantages to being vaccinated, even if it isn't a magic silver bullet, and even if we're learning along the way new things that we were not aware of earlier.
course there are serious concerns that merit discussion about potential challenges we're still facing with the coronavirus but to act the way that alex is acting does a complete disservice towards anyone's ability to engage with this material in a serious way if you get information from him you have to sift through all this bullshit in order to reach one thing that's being discussed poorly which is the idea that if you're vaccinated you still might be contagious yeah you can get the information that you need from better places without having to Yeah, I mean...
jordan holmes
I can't imagine an emergency broadcast alert suddenly breaking in while you're watching some dumb reality show like Survivor, and then the government's like, you're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're gonna die!
Anyways, just so you know, it's a possibility that breakthrough infections could be a problem.
You're gonna die, you're gonna die, you're gonna die!
End.
It's like, that's what Alex is doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I don't know how useful that is.
jordan holmes
It doesn't help me.
dan friesen
Also, if the emergency broadcast system was fucking moody as hell.
unidentified
If it had bad days.
jordan holmes
I don't even fucking care if you guys make it through this emergency.
dan friesen
Maybe we all should die.
Hey, hey, maybe it's not an emergency.
Maybe I'm fucking with you.
Who knows?
Maybe I should join the tornado.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, FDR's fireside chats of just a moody Alex.
All right, so we're fighting this fucking war.
I don't even know.
Does anybody even hate the Nazis anymore?
I don't know.
Whatever.
dan friesen
Look, maybe the Axis powers should win.
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Maybe the Depression is great.
How about that?
Maybe it's a great Depression, huh?
dan friesen
The ratings on my fireside chats are down, and I am pissed about it.
Yeah, that would be great.
That would be awesome.
jordan holmes
Courageous leaders.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I would love the reimaginings of historical figures with the temperament of a moody Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
God, we would have never gotten anything done.
jordan holmes
Oh, good stuff.
dan friesen
So there's some side effects and what have you from vaccines, but I do believe that Alex might be exaggerating.
alex jones
And this is all a test to see what they can do to you.
Just like they said six months ago, oh, it's a rare heart condition, a rare blood clot in the brain, a rare stroke.
No, it's in the majority of people.
Because it starts growing protein crystals.
You don't have a virus.
You get given protein crystals.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
That's what the spike protein is.
And your body starts growing it.
And in every case they've done this, it kills the lab animals, the vast majority.
They knew what they did.
Like, if you poured a gallon of gasoline on yourself, struck a match, what's going to happen?
You're going to burn to death.
Or if you took a shotgun and put it in your mouth and pulled the trigger, you're going to blow your head off.
See?
And that's why I'm so shocked, is this is 100% known like eating a teaspoon of cyanide with your iced tea.
You're going to be dead in two minutes.
I laid my hand out on this table, took a hatchet right to my fingers, just gonna cut him off.
dan friesen
Alex seems like...
Intrigued by the idea of cause and effect.
jordan holmes
Yes, it's kind of concerning me that this is blowing people's minds in his eyes.
dan friesen
I need to illustrate cause and effect.
Causal relationships four times in order for this to really sink in.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Actually, let's start with entropy.
Okay, so the universe is four-dimensional space and we don't even experience time.
dan friesen
It's like if you drop something and it falls to the ground.
jordan holmes
It's like...
What's that?
unidentified
What's that?
jordan holmes
Is that John Mulaney's ice cube bit?
Or iced tea bit?
dan friesen
This is a little bit much.
I mean, first of all, just sort of from a presentation standpoint, I find it hilarious.
But there have been hundreds of millions of vaccines administered in the United States.
The majority are absolutely not experiencing heart attacks, strokes, coughs, or death.
jordan holmes
It's nonsense.
dan friesen
Also, Alex is trying to make this point.
This clip didn't fully capture it, but there's this idea that they skipped animal trials, that he pushes fairly regularly, and they didn't.
They just were allowed to overlap animal trials with phase one trials because of the nature of the public health emergency.
They passed animal trials with no problems, but that information was largely ignored because...
We were more excited about the human part of it.
jordan holmes
That would be the one we were looking for.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It paled in comparison to the idea that even further progress was being made.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
I remember reading tons of stories that were like, scientists stoked by good vaccine results in tested animals.
And I was like, that's awesome.
Why now?
unidentified
Me!
jordan holmes
Me!
Now!
Quicker!
dan friesen
If something had gone wrong with the animal trials, as phase one trials were overlapping with them, we'd have been back to the drawing board.
jordan holmes
Imagine if something had gone wrong.
And do you really think...
dan friesen
I think people would have expected it.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that.
dan friesen
I think it would not have surprised many people.
It would have been an emotional blow, certainly.
But I think the people would be like, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how science works.
unidentified
These things happen.
jordan holmes
You try, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
That's part of the game.
dan friesen
Yeah, failure's how you learn.
jordan holmes
But those would have been very loud.
They would have been everywhere.
And Alex would have run with them forever.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
So the fact that he didn't...
Proves that it didn't happen because he didn't do it when it would have.
dan friesen
So Alex has a study.
This is frustrating.
alex jones
So I've got the actual CDC study here.
I'm not going to just show you articles at Infowars.com.
I'm going to show you the actual study.
Overhead shot, please.
jordan holmes
Why?
You can't trust them.
alex jones
CDC released a study showing three-fourths of Delta cases are among the vaccinated.
It says mask are the answer.
More lies from the same people.
It goes on to say, That have tested positive, took the vaccine, and it goes on into all the different sloughing off of new more deadly variants of the virus, which all these top scientists warn would be the case.
dan friesen
So that part's not, at the end, they're not really accurate.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So what he's talking about here was a targeted study surrounding a cluster of cases that occurred in the wake of, quote, multiple summer events and large public gatherings in a town of Barnstable County, Massachusetts.
There are important questions to ask about this cluster, and I would not begrudge anyone raising concerns about what this sort of thing could imply, but that is not what Alex is doing.
He's misreporting and making leaps in his coverage that are unearned.
For instance, the way he's covering this story, you'd be led to believe that this has to do with 74% of all Delta variant cases being among vaccinated persons.
That's how he's speaking.
jordan holmes
What do you say?
dan friesen
The CDC has a report that 74% of Delta cases are vaccinated people.
jordan holmes
And they're liars, so you know they're telling the truth.
dan friesen
Well, this time they are.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, this time they are.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
Because it works for me.
jordan holmes
Sure, it helps me, so they're telling the truth.
dan friesen
Alex is missing the appropriate context, that this was just about 469 people who tested positive after attending events in Provincetown.
The 74% number is definitely worth looking at, and it is a concern, but this study does not involve a representative sample that you can extrapolate to the rest of the world.
There's far more information we need to track down before this number can be understood in its really full, proper context.
If you read the actual CDC report, you'll find a very important note that it's key to remember.
Quote, data from this report are insufficient to draw conclusions about the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, including the Delta variant during this outbreak.
As population level vaccination coverage increases, vaccinated persons are likely to represent a larger portion of COVID-19 cases.
This is to say that if in this series of events in Provincetown there was a 95% vaccination rate, you would expect the total number of infections you'd see in an outbreak to be low, the total number, but the proportion of those infected who are vaccinated would be higher.
This is because no vaccine has a perfect effectiveness rating, and also that's just how statistics work.
Provincetown is a place in Massachusetts that's well known as a very LGBTQ-friendly environment, and if I had to bet, I would say that it's a place you'd find pretty high vaccination rates.
So, you know, in the event of an outbreak happening in a place like that, it doesn't surprise me too much that the percentage of people who are vaccinated would be high.
That's what you would expect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've read that.
I've read too many takes on that, and very few people are applying the very rigorous context that needs to be applied before you can...
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
It is very important, and if you understand it within the full context of what it is, then it's very interesting and something that needs to be looked at and studied.
But if you are just reading a WAPO headline, then you're fucking terrifying!
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And there's another there's another important thing.
dan friesen
And that is that if you take, you know, you take that number, the 346 vaccinated persons having breakthrough cases in this outbreak.
If you only focus on that number, you're missing an important figure, which is how many vaccinated persons might have been exposed.
to the virus and didn't get sick in the course of these public gatherings and large events.
I'm not saying that any of this makes the story like less a matter for concern or something people shouldn't be focusing on, but it's just critical in these times to take this stuff in the proper context and not extrapolate this out to 74% of cases Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm concerned, quite frankly, about unknown unknowns, obviously.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
How could you not be?
I barely left my house this past week because Lollapalooza was happening.
The city was a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was stoked to be in the woods while Lollapalooza was happening.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's rational to be concerned, but it's irresponsible to behave the way Alex is doing and disseminate information in that way.
It only can lead people to make dumb, ill-informed decisions.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, when I say something like that, I mean to emphasize it.
And I can't emphasize it any more than Alex can himself.
jordan holmes
Give four examples of cause and effect to emphasize this.
dan friesen
He already did that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I actually didn't understand cause and effect until I started listening to InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, let me give you an idea.
Hands on the table, hatchet, problems.
dan friesen
I'm still working on object permanence.
Because Alex doesn't have that one down.
jordan holmes
I fought myself in a mirror the other day.
dan friesen
So...
Alex says that, you know, he gets on to another story that is about a similar theme, that is like, our vaccinated people are getting sick.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And what he uses as a source here, unbelievable.
alex jones
Let's look at some other countries, see what they found.
Because I don't just believe the CDC.
Look at this.
Andrew Bossman, MDMS.
I link through, right to the government of Finland.
Finnish Hospital, just one example.
C-19 Delta variant outbreak.
103 infections among HCWs, inpatients, and 18 elderly inpatient deaths.
Two-thirds of infections, 66% and 67% occurred in those partially or fully vaccinated with mRNA vaxxed.
And I got stacks of these.
dan friesen
I beg anyone who takes Alex Jones seriously to consider how sloppy and lazy this process is.
Instead of actually looking into any primary sources on Finland or any possible outbreaks that have happened there, what you just heard is how Alex has decided to present this story.
This is Alex reading a tweet from an unverified account that's allegedly run by a guy who either holds MD and MS degrees or is claiming to have houses in Maryland and Mississippi.
This is not how someone who takes their job seriously would operate.
So I found the tweet, and Alex is legitimately just reading the body of this guy's tweet, which was accompanied by a screenshot and a link to a Euro surveillance article.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is not me nitpicking or being an asshole.
Like, Alex is not reporting on the study.
He's reporting on a tweet.
He's not read the study.
He has no idea the words he's reading, what they even mean.
He doesn't know what HCW means.
jordan holmes
It's that great level of right-wing nonsense where you can just take a random dude with 20 followers tweeting there were 3 million illegals voting and turn it into the number one narrative that people throw around a fucking election.
dan friesen
But it's a mess.
And it's such shitty work that I don't even know why I found the study and read it.
But suffice it to say, it's another very small snapshot of an outbreak that happened at a secondary care hospital in Finland in May of this year.
45 health care workers and 58 patients ended up contracting COVID.
And if you look at the data, one of the things that jumps out as possibly most concerning is that people who are only partially vaccinated might have a higher risk with the Delta variant.
48 out of the 103 cases were among people who are only partially vaccinated, as compared to 35 who are unvaccinated and 20 who are fully vaccinated.
There's other dynamics between the Yeah, no, the variables are, yeah.
Again, it's something to keep an eye on, but this is not just a case study that you can read a tweet about and assume that it applies to the entire general population.
jordan holmes
There are zero case studies you can read a tweet about and then just extrapolate from there.
unidentified
This must be true of all the world!
jordan holmes
I'll just take this tweet at its word.
unidentified
Boo.
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets back to teasing this British article.
I think he thinks he hasn't actually talked about it, even though he opened the show talking about it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
alex jones
So we've got all of this coming up tonight, and then the really big news.
The British official government agency responding to bio-threats has come out, ladies and gentlemen, and said mutants from the vaccinated...
Is that a quote?
dan friesen
Oh, it's also equally likely that it'll mutate into something that is harmless.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, there's that.
Sometimes, you know, part of...
And this is going to blow everybody's minds about here.
You know, when you evolve, it's like to survive and to propagate and to continue.
And sometimes one way to evolve is to not kill your host.
And then just keep going.
You know?
Another way to evolve is to kill your host, but could go either way.
dan friesen
So, when's the last time you remember Alex saying he figured it all out?
unidentified
A week?
jordan holmes
Two weeks?
I don't know.
I mean, maybe in my dreams it was last night.
dan friesen
It happens a lot.
It happens all the time.
jordan holmes
Every...
dan friesen
Like, at least three, four times a month, Alex will come into studio and say that he's finally figured it out.
jordan holmes
I figured it all out.
I got it.
It took me a long time, and I know I've said this before, so much that you might not believe me this time, but believe me.
dan friesen
But this time, he definitely has.
And here is what's going on, man.
It's nefarious.
His plans, his enemies have.
alex jones
It's a who's who of elite scientists saying this is insane and basically everybody that's taking a shot is going to be an invalid.
If they're lucky, a lot of you are going to be dead.
So now they're getting ready to start giving you, for the rest of your life, I guess, blood thinners and other stuff?
I mean, they have really hurt you bad.
jordan holmes
I've always wanted thinner blood.
alex jones
And you're like, that'll collapse society.
That's what the globalists want.
They don't care what happens to Joe Biden.
They don't care what happens to...
They want to bring down civilization.
They want a post-industrial world.
dan friesen
How do you do it?
alex jones
You kill billions of people, and you make billions of people sick, and that'll collapse civilization.
Everybody else will be scared to go into work or be around anybody or be around the vaccinated.
This is a psychological weapon of fear.
It's meant to destroy confidence in the government.
You think the U.S. government will ever have credibility again when this all comes out?
And it finally all clicked this morning, and it's why I actually got dizzy.
Well, you've heard, like, women will get told, hey, your husband was just found dead, and the woman will stagger back and fall over.
I've been studying all day, and when this all crystallized in my mind, like a thousand points plus a thousand, I actually got dizzy, and I was stumbling around, and it all hit me.
I had to sit down.
jordan holmes
I thought you were dizzy.
alex jones
That's why they did it during Trump and got him to sign on to it to discredit Trump and nationalism and patriotism and populism.
And they knew that Trump would be so pig-headed, he'll keep defending it even as he starts killing everybody.
jordan holmes
You're you.
You're talking to you.
alex jones
They really know what they're doing.
unidentified
I mean, these are sophisticated people.
jordan holmes
He just described all the stuff that he did.
He just described all the stuff that he did!
dan friesen
It's very sad.
Although it's hilarious at the end of that clip being like, these are sophisticated people after he lays out the stupidest shit I've heard.
Oh my god.
jordan holmes
That's so annoying.
That's so annoying because he's making it up and then he's complimenting himself.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
He's giving himself a compliment about how brilliant his enemies are because the plan he made up for them to have is also brilliant.
dan friesen
Yes.
And the plan that he came up with them to have is something about how like...
His worldview and his god-king are so important and so powerful that the globalists needed to use a worldwide plague in order to discredit him.
jordan holmes
Have to discredit Trump.
That's what we had to do.
Man, that is a level of narcissism that's really hard to wrap your head around.
dan friesen
That's exactly the word I would use.
It's so...
So small-minded.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's that level of delusion where anywhere other...
How you get to do that for a job?
dan friesen
A pandemic.
unidentified
This must be about me.
jordan holmes
I know!
That's what I'm saying!
If you didn't have this for...
If Alex wasn't doing this, if he was just a person at your job, you'd be like, we need to talk to doctors about you.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is what needs to happen.
Somehow you can just either...
Okay.
Either we all agree you go talk to doctors or you get a show.
Those are the only two things that we can do for people with your level of delusion.
dan friesen
Well, I should tell you that a plane just crashed in Malaysia and somehow this was an attack on me.
jordan holmes
Ah, I guess we're going to have to give you a show then.
unidentified
Now, I can tell you exactly about...
dan friesen
How this plane crash relates to me, but I don't have time because I prepared too much.
jordan holmes
You prepared too much about it.
dan friesen
And I gotta go to break.
jordan holmes
Just know that they're willing to kill me because of this plane crash and what I know about it.
dan friesen
So Alex has proven his points, and I think he thinks he still hasn't talked about this British story.
alex jones
And again, if you're a new listener, it is completely confirmed.
Absolutely confirmed.
Even mainstream news, the vaccine doesn't help you, hurts you, and makes you spread all this other garbage.
That's what all the scientists said over a year ago would happen.
And it's just a giant trap, a giant bear trap we're all caught in.
And I haven't even hit the new news.
SAGE, that's the big government agency in the UK.
They say that the vaccinated could trigger a new super variant that kills 2.625 billion.
Stay with us.
unidentified
Policy of truth, baby.
dan friesen
Awful.
I don't know what he considers covering a story, but from my experience, him reading a headline is about as deep as he gets.
Sometimes he'll riff on some stuff every now and again.
He's covered this story, according to my estimation, at least three or four times in this episode.
I haven't gotten to this news yet.
jordan holmes
I think you have.
I mean, in many ways you haven't, but I suppose by your definition you have.
dan friesen
He's gotten to it as much as he's ever going to.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's a good way of putting it.
dan friesen
He said the number.
jordan holmes
He did!
He kept repeating 2.65 billion.
I love the idea that...
No one would do anything about that.
As millions of people are dying, everybody's going to be like, well, let's just ride this out and see how many go down.
Even if it was this, there would be a very serious reaction long before we ever hit one billion people.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I do remember when Alex and all of his people and people in his intellectual and political sphere were saying...
Let's just keep going and not do anything.
I mean, I can kind of imagine that, because it did happen before.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So I was like, alright, I don't understand why Alex thinks he hasn't covered this story, but it was getting a little bit repetitive.
And then the exact opposite thing happened, and then there was a story that I was begging him to get into, and it just...
I hate him.
alex jones
The heads of major medical schools, the dean of the...
Of the Baylor Medical School.
That's a top ten medical school saying this is crazy and evil and wrong.
She's just out today.
dan friesen
So I have no idea here what Alex is talking about.
There's multiple deans of different medical schools within Baylor.
And I found one guy, Dr. Peter Hotez.
He's had a lot of comments about misinformation being horrible during the pandemic.
I don't think that can possibly be the person who...
Who Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
I assume Alex would be more angry at that person.
dan friesen
I don't know.
He said she, though, and the guy who I'm talking about, Dr. Hotez, he is the dean of the School of Tropical Medicine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so the actual dean of the School of Medicine, the other School of Medicine, is Dr. Jennifer.
He could be talking about her, but I don't know what she said.
I can't find anything.
But to imagine that you have this guy who's super anti-misinformation about COVID and about the pandemic, and then this other person who's like, it's all evil.
unidentified
They're both teens in the Baylor School of Medicine.
dan friesen
It's like, holy shit, that is diversity of opinion.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
That's exactly what the right says doesn't exist in higher education.
So I don't know.
But at the same time, I'm listening to this episode, and without going on too deep of a wild goose chase, I don't know who he's talking about.
jordan holmes
I suppose if I was a vindictive propagandist, I would find somebody saying that misinformation was a real problem to be offensive to me, and also accurate, and so I would then include them in my misinformation as an insult.
dan friesen
That could be what he's doing.
I'm not sure.
And maybe we'll learn more as the episode goes on.
But at this point, Alex has a guest.
It's a gentleman by the name of Chris Skye.
He's a Canadian weirdo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
We're not going to listen to too much of him because he's a Canadian weirdo.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
So Chris Skye, back in September of last year, was extremely prescient looking at their own government documents that have been confirmed to be real.
Where they're talking about the permanent lockdown and a permanent dictatorship.
Since he was last on, in fact, I forgot it.
Guys, get the Nova Scotia health minister.
Says we need to stop people demonstrating.
Stop people going outside.
Keep lockdowns, he said.
To stop people talking.
dan friesen
That clip was actually about a press conference where they're talking about easing restrictions on lockdowns.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so it seems like Chris Skye was not right.
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting when you have a claim that lockdowns are permanent, and the thing that you come up with to reinforce your claim is something that says the opposite.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's strange.
jordan holmes
Vindictive propagandist.
dan friesen
Also, Chris Skye, he's a real weirdo.
He's a...
He's a fellow whose dad runs a successful real estate development business in Canada and he is mysteriously the vice president of said company.
He also has no kids, yet he runs a group called Mothers Against Social Distancing.
He got arrested this year for allegedly threatening to kill a bunch of people.
Shooting them in the head.
But, of course, this is a setup, according to him.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally.
dan friesen
There's an awesome article in Vice by Mick Lamoureux about his plan to...
He wanted to start a bunch of anti-mask schools.
You might think that he was doing this with money out of his own...
Like, his own money, because he's kind of heart and he's charitable.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
No, he was going to raise the funds with a GoFundMe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen
According to the article, quote, With experience in education.
That is a tough sell, especially when you consider that in the description section of the GoFundMe that he was using to start the schools, he misspelled public school as pubic.
jordan holmes
Welcome to Trump University!
dan friesen
Also, just because this is really fun, here's another thing from the article.
Quote, Sky didn't respond to a detailed list of questions sent by Vice News about his projects.
After the questions were sent, Sky made several social media posts about an upcoming Vice News story about him, in which he implied, I was a pedophile and George Soros directly ordered me to write this piece and shared my phone number to his followers.
laughing Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Cool guy.
Cool guy, this Chris guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's how you prove you're innocent.
dan friesen
Anyway, he's a flamboyant anti-mask character, and he's got a cool neck tattoo, so he's got a bit of online attention for him, and so he's been hanging out with Alex a little bit.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
They're just yelling about...
jordan holmes
That is...
That is grounds for parental divorce, if I've ever heard them.
Like, if your parents are like, hey, we're sending you to Chris Skye's school, you can be like, I'm leaving you.
Goodbye.
dan friesen
I'm getting a divorce from my parents.
jordan holmes
Goodbye, emancipation!
dan friesen
So we're not going to listen to any clips of Chris Guy because I don't really care.
Except for unless he wants to come on and pitch his schools.
Then we might have to listen to him.
jordan holmes
I want a press conference where he is peppered with questions about school in general.
dan friesen
I don't think Alex would give him the most adversarial interview on the subject, but I would be interested anyway.
If it's just going to be cookie cutter anti-mask shit, I can get that anywhere.
He's not that interesting.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And after he leaves, the Baylor Medical School comes back up.
alex jones
I mean, we're talking about three university heads I've got clips of.
The Baylor Medical School, two other top heads coming out and saying the shots are deadly, don't do it, it's a disaster.
All these other top scientists, I probably watched.
Four hours today of six, seven hours of research of just clips of medical doctors and scientists and I'd track down their curriculum vitae and they'd be who they said they were and match with the research and the documents and the CDC saying 74% of the new COVID cases are in people that are vaccinated and they're worse and most of the deaths are in them.
dan friesen
I don't like how the first step of his research was like, they're not an imposter.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
Checks out.
I looked at their picture ID.
dan friesen
They're a real person.
Also, on the same show that he's leading his reporting on this story from Finland with a tweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That seven hours has paid off.
jordan holmes
Awesome.
dan friesen
I still don't know what's going on with this Baylor situation.
jordan holmes
There's three deans!
dan friesen
I'm interested.
jordan holmes
There are deans!
dan friesen
I'm interested.
I want to know what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
There are deans!
dan friesen
He's got me on the hook.
jordan holmes
There's deans!
dan friesen
So, Alex talks about one of the things that he does best.
And that's predict things.
He believes that predictions are the best way to wake up the sheeple out there because they come true and then you blow minds, right?
And that's really convenient to do whenever you don't bring up all the things you've been massively wrong about constantly.
jordan holmes
There's that one.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, if you have to answer for all of your record...
That's trouble.
jordan holmes
It's really easy to make predictions and get them wrong and then still claim you're right whenever you never face consequences for your actions.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's easy to be a sniper when you're allowed to use, like, carpet bombing.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
And then you pretend that you didn't hit everything around the token.
unidentified
I didn't hit anything.
jordan holmes
I didn't hit anything at all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is like, I'm really into predictions.
alex jones
And yeah, predictions are king because...
You're already awake.
You listened.
You heard it.
You did your own research.
When we're able to get the predictions I made and Chris Skye made and Mike Adams made...
jordan holmes
All of which were wrong.
alex jones
Dr. Woodarg and Dr. Yeadon and all these guys, that's what wakes sheeple up.
Okay?
When they see it, that finally gets them to wake up.
dan friesen
That's what wakes the people up, man.
Them sheeps.
jordan holmes
You gotta lie to them.
Exploit them emotionally and then they'll wake up to the things that aren't true.
dan friesen
Now, granted.
I would say this.
If Bill Clinton ended up being the Secretary General of the United Nations and then President of the United States again after Hillary had two terms, I would probably be freaking out that Alex called that.
jordan holmes
Re-evaluate everything I've ever known about anything ever.
That would...
I fundamentally shatter my understanding of human beings forever.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So, yeah.
I mean, there is that one.
dan friesen
Possibly.
No.
We forget those bad ones.
And we just pretend that these vague things that he said are accurate.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
People always like to go to those Nostradamus predictions that are a little bit vague and have plenty of room for interpretation however you want them to go.
dan friesen
You bet.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, unfortunately, I have bad news.
Mike Adams is on.
But actually, I was thinking about it, and I kind of enjoy Mike Adams' appearances now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because I kind of understand him better.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's just a dramatic adolescent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has, I would say, the emotional maturity of somebody who's in...
Maybe not a senior in high school.
Like a junior.
jordan holmes
He's one of those people who got rich enough where they don't have to grow up.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, I'm sure he's responsible and he holds down whatever his businesses are and stuff.
And I don't think he's stupid by any stretch.
I just think that he comes in and it's just everything is so over the top.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I kind of enjoy that.
And there is this fun narrative, too, that's gone through the pandemic with him being Alex's best friend at the beginning.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Alex tried to see if he could hang out with David Icke.
David Icke was saying that there was no virus.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Mike Adams got mad and went away for a while.
And now he's back and Alex isn't hanging out with David Icke anymore.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
And it's just, there's just a weird, fun high school thing going on.
There is!
jordan holmes
There is!
It's so frustrating that this petty bullshit also comes along with high school drama.
Yep.
dan friesen
And also, David Icke still has a section on Alex's website where he is posting videos for no one to watch about how there is no virus.
Which is great.
I'm glad Alex is still platforming that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you gonna do?
Kick him off?
Can't censor anybody.
dan friesen
You could ease much more easily with David Icke than Nick Fuentes, I think.
Anyway, a year ago, you may recall, Mike Adams is going to come into the fray here in a minute, but a year ago, they were saying that hospitals were full.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
They weren't.
Bullshit.
It was bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But now...
jordan holmes
They are?
alex jones
A year ago when they said all the hospitals were full, they weren't.
We sent people to them.
Folks went and showed it.
This year, I've got friends and family that work in hospitals.
I've got crew that work in hospitals.
One of the staff here's wife works at one.
It's full of people that can't breathe.
It's full of people dying.
And guess what?
They're all inoculated, just like the numbers show.
So it's just what Mike Adams and I and others said.
The shot will make you sick.
Then they'll blame the un-inoculated for it.
They've done it.
We're now here.
dan friesen
So this is an interesting reality that he has us living in.
jordan holmes
No.
I reject it.
I reject it entirely.
This is unfair.
Fuck him.
Fuck that.
Fuck that so hard.
Fuck that.
dan friesen
Just fuck that.
Now.
We remember that Mike Adams declared it over for humanity and there would only be lone survivors a ways back.
He has a new prediction that may rival, eh, I don't know.
You can never de-escalate from it's over for humanity.
jordan holmes
It's really hard to de-escalate from there.
dan friesen
This is still a little bit silly.
mike adams
And I'll say here right now, today, events have already been put into place.
We're going to see millions of people dead in the next 12 to 36 months.
Because of these vaccines, and it cannot be stopped.
Many people today are walking dead.
dan friesen
It cannot be stopped.
jordan holmes
What a prediction.
dan friesen
These events have been put into motion.
They're, you know, within the next couple of years, millions dead from the vaccine.
jordan holmes
That would still be way better than if we didn't have the fucking vaccine.
dan friesen
Conceivably.
But it also is outrageously inaccurate.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's complete bullshit.
dan friesen
But I mean, I guess we'll see.
I'm going to guess that this is one of the predictions that is going to go in the Bill Clinton as Secretary General basket.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
I'm going to forget we did this one.
jordan holmes
I think they're going to...
I'll let that one go.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Mike blew my mind for a little while.
He seems to think that there's a bigger plan going on, right?
So, all these news reports that are coming out about how people who are vaccinated can still, you know, the Delta variant, you might get it, it might be transmissible.
There's something behind it.
They're really trying to cause...
They're trying to cause a reaction.
unidentified
Okay.
mike adams
The reason they've done this and the reason that they've admitted now over the last week that these vaccines don't work and that they're causing the spread of these so-called Delta strains, the reason they're doing this is because they want an uprising in America.
This is bait.
They want an uprising even among those who were vaccinated and then are now angry and coming to their senses and saying, what, we were lied to?
They want a massive uprising.
Because they need a justification for a military-style martial law crackdown in order to cover their tracks because their entire globalist system is about to implode, and many of them are going to go to prison or be tried under Nuremberg 2.0.
dan friesen
Yeah, so apparently they are telling everyone that the vaccines don't work in order to try and get people to freak out and rebel.
And that can be put down by a military coup or some sort of martial law.
And that will distract from the fact that the vaccines don't work.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
These are really sophisticated people.
That's what we're dealing with.
We're dealing with geniuses here.
dan friesen
I mean, it's a fun story.
jordan holmes
It's not.
It's not that fun a story.
dan friesen
It's a fine story.
I wouldn't read it.
jordan holmes
What kind of uprising are they looking for?
Do they have a boutique uprising that they want that would be optimal for them?
Or do they want more like a graduated insurgency kind of thing?
dan friesen
Oh, we know that burning down a police station isn't enough to bring in martial law.
So I don't know what they're trying to...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, not even trying to overthrow the government installed martial law.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, good point.
jordan holmes
So there's that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, Mike believes that if you've been vaccinated, and this is actually something he's been saying quite a bit on the show, this is something I remember hearing him say even a ways back, is basically like, you're a biological weapon factory.
mike adams
The people who've been vaccinated are walking incubation vessels for deadly bioweapons that are being spread.
It's all happening on purpose.
The so-called vaccines are really gene therapy injections, which are highly illegal.
alex jones
Humans are now petri dishes or farms for this colonizing creature.
mike adams
That's right.
That's right.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Better not explore this logic to its conclusion, where for the sake of protecting everyone, you might have to kill vaccinated people.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're at this place now where they've taken Karl Rove's...
You know, that turn a strength into a weakness, that swift boat kind of thing.
You know, you're a veteran, so destroy that credibility.
They have just turned that on reality itself.
Just a complete, like, if you're vaccinated, you're the one who's incubating the virus and spreading it.
See?
Ha ha ha!
It's definitely not all of us unvaccinated people who spread it around all the time because we don't even fucking believe that it's real.
It's probably not us, it's you guys who are evil, who are spreading the disease.
dan friesen
This strategy shouldn't surprise you at all.
I mean, Alex worked with Jerome Corsi for years, who was one of the Swift voters.
jordan holmes
You know, but it's just like, it's so direct attack on reality.
Just a fucking shot right at the face of reality.
Not trying to avoid it or even allow for it to come into existence.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's so fucking intense.
dan friesen
So I gave Mike a little bit too much credit too early.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I told you that he was blowing my mind.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I gotta be honest, those clips that I played are not blowing my mind.
jordan holmes
They weren't doing much for me.
dan friesen
Now, we're gonna get into it.
Mike brings some heavy shit here.
You might notice...
They had all these woke corporations, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All these corporations that are, like, really woke?
jordan holmes
The ones that donated to Trump's campaign?
dan friesen
No, no.
Other kind of woke.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
They're making their employees get vaccinated.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's very woke.
dan friesen
There's a reason.
jordan holmes
Oh.
mike adams
The real shocker here is, have you noticed over the last week that all of the so-called woke corporations have now demanded mandatory vaccines among their own workers?
So we're talking Facebook, Google, Twitter, Disney, Walmart, even the Washington Post and many other corporations like that.
They know that they are ordering the vaccine slaughter of their own.
Interesting strategies.
You ask why.
Why would they do that?
Well, at Google in particular, and by the way, Zach Voorhees has been a guest on your show explaining all of this.
At Google, the humans have been teaching Google's machine learning systems and AI systems for the last five years how to no longer need humans in the loop when it comes to moderation.
alex jones
They don't want to have humans around that know how to counter the AI and the knowledge.
The enemy that lowers the...
The traitor that lowers the drawbridge always gets executed by the army that takes over.
dan friesen
I gotta say, I think...
I think that might be the first time you stood up laughing.
That was a big one.
That one got you.
jordan holmes
I wasn't ready for it.
I wasn't ready for it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I wasn't ready for him to respond to that twist in a sci-fi movie.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Where all of a sudden it all comes into play.
dan friesen
This is Shyamalanian.
jordan holmes
This is not fucking Ocean's Eleven where they reveal the plan at the end.
What are you guys fucking doing?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's all these woke corporations who are trying to kill off their employees with vaccines.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you could lay off people, or you could kill them all.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, interesting strategy from Google.
We're going to see how this one plays out going forward.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
I don't think this deserves an ugh, but whatever.
All right, Mike.
Cool, cool.
You got anything else?
You got anything else, Mike?
unidentified
Let's hear it.
mike adams
The globalists are now acting as if they have knowledge of a global-level mass extinction type of event or threat, probably one that they are going to unleash, and they want to make sure that there are billions fewer human beings around when that happens, because they can't control billions of people once people realize they've been lied to and they've been poisoned and they're being killed.
alex jones
I'm going to elaborate on this because you're going way out, third-dimensional chess.
They're acting like a gun is to their head to go ahead and get rid of us now, because what's going to happen is so destabilizing, they know that that could organize into a new political group that challenges them.
So they're acting like there will be no resources very soon.
They're acting very desperate.
mike adams
Yeah, my apologies.
I do tend to just leap ahead because you and I have a knowledge base and your listeners have a knowledge base of so much that the average American is just clueless about.
So I do tend to leap ahead.
But look.
dan friesen
Look, man, we are so smart that sometimes I go A to C on you.
Like, we're a good improv troupe, basically.
We were making those big leaps.
Oh, man.
So I was a little confused.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thankfully, Mike is nothing if not a teacher.
jordan holmes
Let's clarify this, yeah.
mike adams
Let's just say, as a thought experiment, that a giant asteroid were going to hit the planet.
I'm not saying that's going to happen, but let's just say that were going to happen in 500 days, let's say.
And the globalists knew about it.
Would they tell the people?
No.
They would never tell you.
You wouldn't know until you see it in the sky, a giant flaming mountain like in the Book of Revelation, you know.
The reason they wouldn't tell you is because the globalists need the infrastructure to function so they can continue to stockpile food and parts and fuel and all the things that they need on their private islands and underground cities and caves and everything.
alex jones
They use us right to the last minute to build up their stockpiles.
mike adams
Exactly.
alex jones
Because right now we're robots.
Exactly.
jordan holmes
They have everything now.
mike adams
All of it.
jordan holmes
They have it all.
mike adams
Mountain falling out of the sky in 500 days.
And again, that's not my prediction.
That's just a thought experiment.
But if they told people that, everybody would stop working.
Everybody would go home and decide, you know, how do I want to spend my last 500 days on this planet?
Probably with your family or something, right?
alex jones
Well, that's it, Mike.
Let's stop for a minute.
You're an engineer, so you're looking at math like you're wargaming.
The way they're behaving is like this is already going to happen.
Exactly.
mike adams
Yes, we can infer from their behavior.
Why are they going to the private islands?
Why are they building the underground tunnels?
alex jones
Why would they risk releasing something that would kill so many people, as I've said, because there's got to be something bigger coming?
dan friesen
This is wild.
jordan holmes
This is watching nine-year-olds argue over a book report that neither of them did.
dan friesen
Yeah, and honestly, I think the only way that this can be described as a thought experiment is if you're like, well, Mike's experimenting with thinking.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes, he's really trying.
He's playing third-dimensional chess, I will say that.
dan friesen
Yeah, so according to Mike, the globalists would never tell the public if an asteroid were going to collide with the Earth because they need infrastructure to continue to exist until the last minute so they can stockpile resources in their bunkers or whatever.
If they told people in the public that they had X amount of time before imminent demise, people would just stop working and spend time with their families, which would hurt the globalists' ability to get those last-minute supplies they apparently need in their bunkers.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Parts.
Food and parts.
jordan holmes
What a great...
So dumb.
Here's the best part of that.
Here's the best part of that.
They truly believe that an extinction-level event would be like, listen, guys.
We gotta wait three business days before the money transfers into our live over the end of the world account.
dan friesen
Look, we can't end the world yet.
unidentified
My food is in the refrigerator truck.
jordan holmes
What am I supposed to do with that?
dan friesen
It was delayed.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
We gotta wait until the world ends.
Push the asteroid back.
Push it back.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Am I supposed to be in my bunker without this fresh fruit?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
4G.
4G reception is all I have in my bunker right now.
Do you really think I'm going to live out the end of the world with that?
No.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
Jesus.
Simultaneously, though, this entire show and Mike's initial point has to do with public messaging around the pandemic shifting to the globalists admitting that the vaccines don't work and that everyone's going to die.
According to Mike's own thought experiment, the globalists are acting in a way that they never would if a disaster truly were imminent.
This shit's about to go really bad.
And if that's the case, there would be stories about breakthrough cases and the Delta variant and stuff.
I don't understand.
And honestly, this stuff is the most infantile, nonsensical garbage.
But I do kind of like listening to this because...
Alex and him really seem like they're having a good time.
jordan holmes
They really do.
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
They're both bouncing off each other like, yeah, this is great bullshit we're spitting right here.
This is the good stuff.
dan friesen
They like to blow each other's minds.
You know, when Alex says that someone's...
In this episode, he says that Mike Adams has a farm here in Texas and he's a good friend.
I believe that.
unidentified
I do.
dan friesen
And it makes me sadder that he couldn't come on the show and Alex was pretending the COVID maybe didn't exist.
Because they do have a good time with each other in ways that, like, Steve Pachanek, there's a power imbalance.
Totally.
Alex abuses a bunch of other guests, talks over them, and doesn't give them a chance to say stupid shit like Mike.
unidentified
Yeah.
I think him and Mike actually are probably friends.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He and Mike have the relationship that Owen thinks Alex and Owen have.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But Alex knows that Owen's his little baby boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Owen can't riff like Mike can.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Coming up with this good stuff.
jordan holmes
What are we fucking talking about?
dan friesen
Owen's never gonna get a...
jordan holmes
No, Owen's never getting an...
unidentified
Oh, poor Owen.
dan friesen
Mike has some more thoughts.
mike adams
And, Alex, why do they not care that they are absolutely destroying the reputation of the CDC, the FDA, the vaccine industry, the WHO, and the Biden regime itself?
Answer, because none of those things exist in their plan in a few years.
alex jones
They don't care about banks.
They don't care about universities.
They don't care about the FBI.
That's right.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
mike adams
And they don't care about how much money they print because they know they're going to collapse the dollar anyway.
dan friesen
Okay, so the next couple of years, all this stuff is going to be gone according to their plans and dollars gone as well.
jordan holmes
This is like the grand unified field theory of shit I don't know.
That's just what they're just like.
Okay, all this stuff that I don't know.
I don't think they care about the banks.
Is it the craziest thing I've ever heard anybody say?
dan friesen
They're not concerned with the reputation of the thing I've been smearing for years.
jordan holmes
Insane!
Just insane level of shit where they can say this and their brains don't explode.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's mind-boggling.
dan friesen
It's unfair.
jordan holmes
It is.
It's unfair!
dan friesen
Yeah, and another thing that's unfair is this next clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Great transition.
dan friesen
So one of the things that we've been doing these episodes in 2003, and one of the reasons is I want to know if Alex thought he was fighting the literal devil in 2003.
And the reason that I want to know that is because he's made it abundantly clear that he does think that in the present.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And when he says stuff like this, I just want to throw a brick at my computer.
alex jones
Let me use another analogy.
They made a deal with aliens.
They're going to blow the planet up in two years, whatever it is.
They built them a spaceship and they're leaving.
And then they've just got a deal.
They get the spaceship and they help kill us quietly and, you know, make sure nobody wakes up and challenges it.
And I'm not saying that's what's happening.
What Mike is saying is true.
They're acting like everybody's dead and it's all over unless they basically call us off.
We'll be right back.
I mean, folks, I'm telling you, Mike Adams is on fire today.
dan friesen
Alex, he can't duck behind that.
I'm not saying that this is what's going on.
Going on to what they believe.
He's explicitly multiple, multiple times said that this is what's going on.
The devil is behind the globalists.
He gives them their marching orders.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just...
Come on, man.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The cat's out of the bag.
The toothpaste's out of the tube.
You think you're fighting the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
You think you're fighting the devil.
Don't come at me with anything that isn't ultimately about the devil trying to corrupt humanity.
dan friesen
Don't try and, like...
Retain some veneer.
Get back some credibility of like, no, I don't actually think I'm fighting the devil.
Fucking think you're fighting the devil.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
dan friesen
So now, predictions.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's how you blow the mind to the sheeple.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Mike has some predictions.
jordan holmes
I have it on bad authority that he's on fire today.
dan friesen
He's on fire.
These are...
Not good predictions.
alex jones
Mike, I'm intrigued by this.
I'm going to try to shut up, continue getting into this and their behavior, and is there any way to short-circus it?
dan friesen
Short-circus.
Also, you know you're in trouble when Alex starts a sentence with, I'm intrigued by this!
jordan holmes
I want to hear more!
alex jones
Clearly, when there's hundreds of millions dying, which is already starting to happen, they're all going to go to prison.
They're all going to get destroyed unless they know something even bigger is coming that is going to eclipse what they've already currently done.
Or maybe it's a nuclear war.
Maybe it's an EMP strike.
I mean, there's so many wild cards, but whatever it is, it's bad on a magnitude much bigger than this.
Do you agree?
mike adams
Yes, the most likely scenario, and I've wargamed two primary scenarios of what I think is going to happen.
I'll share both of them with you here.
The first one is what I was talking about last break, where they're going to engineer a planned financial collapse, freezing of the entire global banking system, all transactions frozen, and then, of course, the dollar collapsing, and then this will unleash a humanitarian crisis, which will justify Biden calling for UN troops.
To come into the United States, actually, communist Chinese troops under the UN banner on, quote, humanitarian missions.
So that's scenario one, and in that scenario, it's just going to be door-to-door executions, COVID concentration camps, mass murder, and that's even for those who survived the vaccine, you're still going to be targeted for murder.
dan friesen
Okay, so that's option one.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a big option.
dan friesen
Sure.
Collapse of the dollar.
Chinese troops under the guise of UN folks coming at door-to-door executions.
jordan holmes
See, now this is the thing.
dan friesen
And we should also point out that if you believe other things Alex is saying, five-sixths of your immune system will also be wiped out.
Everyone will basically be dead.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's over for humanity, is what he's saying.
dan friesen
Probably trying to spin a few too many plates.
jordan holmes
The thing about it is, isn't it like, you know, I get if you're listening to the show and sometimes you see a coincidental thing and they twist it and you're like, oh, maybe Alex is right about this sometimes or something like that.
But if you're listening to the show and you hear that, why aren't you just like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Because just divorce from any context.
You don't need any context for you to just listen to that and go, that doesn't make sense.
Period.
Even in my conspiracy world!
dan friesen
And Jordan, what if I were to tell you that that clip I just played from Mike was five years old?
jordan holmes
Same thing.
Is it five years old?
I wouldn't know.
I would have no idea.
You could have told me it was from five years ago, and I would not know.
dan friesen
No, it's from this episode, but it could have been from five years ago.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, here's how I know it's true.
dan friesen
They said similar things all the time.
jordan holmes
Here's how I know that's true.
When you said, what if I told you it was five years ago, my first thought was...
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Damn it, Dan.
You found a clip of him saying something that sounds...
jordan holmes
Wow, you are a witch!
dan friesen
No, but it would not be impossible.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So that's the first scenario.
jordan holmes
Okay, what's scenario two?
dan friesen
Scenario two is a little bit underwhelming when that's the first scenario.
mike adams
The second scenario, and remember, this is a very dynamic situation, this could also play out, is that they are gearing up to...
Flip the script and say, oh my God, these are Trump's vaccines that are killing everybody.
Trump pushed Operation Warp Speed.
Trump pushed the pharmaceutical companies.
He twisted their arms.
He gave them incentives.
He pushed the FDA and the CDC for emergency authorization.
And they're going to say, Trump's a mass killer from the vaccines, but the rest of the science is good.
alex jones
That's why the Democrats, when he was launching it, slayed those Easter eggs of saying, don't trust him.
mike adams
Yep.
Exactly.
Because he was lying all the time!
I joined chloroquine!
The other scenario is the 80%.
But in this scenario, they are trying to then save science and save the medical journals and save the vaccine industry and save the CDC by turning against Trump and putting all the blame on Trump.
dan friesen
Again, this is that same narcissism.
Like, this must be about my hero.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
Like, I hate Trump as much as the next person.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably, maybe a little bit over average.
And I think that it would be ludicrous to imagine people blaming any problems with the vaccine on Trump.
Yeah.
unidentified
To imagine that he had any direct involvement with the medical stuff outside of doing things that he should have done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, you know, buying surplus amounts of vaccines in order to make sure that they would become available.
dan friesen
The expediting processes and things like that.
I don't think that anybody in their right mind would blame Trump for that.
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
That would be an insane thing to do.
That would be a fundamental lack of understanding of, let's say, cause and effect.
dan friesen
Sure.
I know a guy who has a lot of examples that might clear that up.
I listened to this and I was like, alright, the first scenario is kind of fun.
There's door-to-door executions, there's a financial collapse.
jordan holmes
We could use Daleks in this, but I'll let it go.
dan friesen
Oh, Daleks are gone.
jordan holmes
Daleks with guns should definitely be still in play if we're going door-to-door.
dan friesen
There is an excitement to this in terms of like a sci-fi movie plot.
I enjoy it.
You could see this.
It'd be bleak.
It'd be shot in dark.
jordan holmes
Cormac McCarthy could write it.
dan friesen
Everybody would be dirty.
Might get nominated.
The second scenario stinks.
jordan holmes
They're trying to save science.
By blaming the vaccine's failures on Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, like Trump was mixing up the vaccine with a spoon.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, no, no, I mean, not even that.
Like, that's borderline.
Trump was going to view the factory where they make the vaccine and he, like, elbows something into a giant fat.
dan friesen
Like a fucking Mr. Beans.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's what they're talking about.
unidentified
Yes.
I just think this is what a kid would think.
jordan holmes
No, this is stupid.
This is so stupid.
It's so sad.
It's so sad.
It's unfair for me, and it's unfair for them.
The imbalance of just ability to interact with reality is unfair.
It's a privilege in some ways to just be able to go outside and see, look!
There is a street.
That's what it looks like and that's what it is.
And they don't have that.
They just don't.
dan friesen
That street probably hates Trump.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
unidentified
You just don't get it.
jordan holmes
Sad.
dan friesen
But we have our own sort of things that we need to be concerned about.
Namely that we live...
In a city.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
mike adams
Every major city in America, once this collapse kicks in, every city becomes a death zone, a war zone, lawless, chaos, looting, rape, every insanity that you can think of.
They will be unsurvivable.
And if you're not bugged out of a city already, or if you don't have a plan to bug out before this happens, it will become your tomb.
dan friesen
This city is going to be your tomb.
jordan holmes
Every time, every time, every time he says every major city.
Every time.
I mean, everything that is going to happen will eventually lead to every major city will explode.
At no point in time have these cities exploded.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, they just keep going.
dan friesen
Sure, and sometimes there are pockets of unrest that happen within cities around, you know...
Particularly resonant events.
jordan holmes
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
But the cities don't end up...
jordan holmes
Cities don't burn down.
dan friesen
They don't end up becoming everyone's tomb or whatever.
jordan holmes
And I'll tell you why.
And I'll give you a good reason why.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Right?
And I'll just throw this at you.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay?
Everybody lives here.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
So we don't want to burn it down.
dan friesen
You know, that is a piece of it, I think.
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I don't really fully understand exactly what this obsession comes from.
This desire to fuck with people and make them leave cities.
I don't know if it's a long con to try and get more population into rural areas to increase representation in the house or something.
I don't know.
unidentified
I think it's just that cities...
jordan holmes
Are less homogenized than rural communities.
dan friesen
So it's just more in your head than it is actual advice.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
He doesn't want anyone to actually leave the city.
He just wants the people he's talking to who don't live in cities to look at cities as if they were death traps.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because they're not...
jordan holmes
They're not all white people.
Yes.
I really do believe that the...
dan friesen
I think there probably is a bit of that.
jordan holmes
Because every...
And growing up in rural Illinois to extremely religious parents is like, you get the constant drumbeat of stories of people who went away to college, who went away to the city, who moved to the city, and then they come back and they have all these different ideas and stuff.
And that's just because they meet non-white people.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
They meet people who aren't the same as them and they go, oh, you're still people.
Cities are a representation of looking at people who are different from you and calling them your neighbor.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Seeing people with a different life experience or even just different ideas as your peers and equals.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I bet there is a piece of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Mike goes on his merry way.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, look, it wasn't his best outing, but I honestly think that the realization that I had of, like, these guys actually are friends.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's fun.
jordan holmes
That is fun.
dan friesen
And then second, like, the juxtaposition of those two scenarios is unacceptable.
It sucks.
jordan holmes
It does seem like one of them, he put all of his eggs in one basket.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The other one was very underbaked.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like somebody who's like, all right, I got a pitch meeting in the morning.
Stay up all night getting this elaborate plot for one.
And then, oh yeah, half an hour laying out this detailed scenario.
And there's go, all right, what's your second one?
Guy falls in love.
jordan holmes
We're actually going to pick up that one.
dan friesen
A little disappointing.
You kind of...
jordan holmes
You know, maybe we were going to pass on the second one anyways, but now I think we're going to pass on both.
dan friesen
Yeah, get out of here, Mike.
jordan holmes
Bye.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about the people who got...
The first people who got the Pfizer shot.
You might be wrong about some of this.
alex jones
Look at this video.
First man to receive the Pfizer shot.
He was dead a month later.
It's on screen.
I mean, we're watching them snuff film.
That's a snuff film if you're a TV viewer.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
And it's just all out in the open.
dan friesen
It's actually the first person who got a Pfizer shot.
It was a 90-year-old woman named Margaret Keenan.
But Alex did say the first man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
He did say that.
dan friesen
And the first man to get the Pfizer shot, you know what his name was?
William Shakespeare.
I wish I was making that up.
jordan holmes
That's real?
dan friesen
His name is Bill Shakespeare.
jordan holmes
All right.
Get out of here.
dan friesen
It's an 81-year-old dude in the UK.
jordan holmes
I swear to you, I would have turned him away.
You don't get to be the first.
You can be number two, but we're not going down in history as Bill Shakespeare being the first to get this fucking vaccine.
dan friesen
The conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day with this.
jordan holmes
We can't do it.
I just can't do it.
dan friesen
So this was last December, and he did not die a month later.
He passed away in May of this year of an unrelated illness.
Alex is just fudging the details of this stuff because he knows that the reality of these stories isn't salacious enough to justify his absurd conjectures in calling this a fucking snuff film.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
That's ridiculous.
And of course, the first people to get the vaccine were also the ones closest to dying anyways.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how it worked.
dan friesen
And from an article that I read about his passing, it was something he was incredibly proud of, being able to be a part of.
And it's just a real tragedy to see.
I mean, granted, Alex doesn't know his name, and he's not really besmirching his memory that much, but he is still using his death as a prop, and that's gross.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's exploiting somebody who really believed that what they were doing was right, and that's fucked up.
dan friesen
So we've got one last clip here.
This is how Alex decides to end the show.
Again, brick through the computer.
alex jones
And so Sunday Live, this is the Alex Jones Show Sunday, but Sunday Live is the next two hours.
I'm going to come back and play all those doctor clips.
The head medical dean at Baylor coming out and saying the shots aren't safe.
I mean, this is big.
So humanity's fighting back against this globalist tyranny.
That is next hour.
I'm going to play clip after clip after clip after clip.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
And actually, Jordan, we've run out of time.
We are going to talk about those clips that Alex played on the other show, but we're going to have to do it later.
jordan holmes
We're going to have to do it.
I think we're going to have to do it next week.
Frankly, I think you actually spent so much time with those clips that you have too much information to impart.
unidentified
How dare you?
I hate this.
dan friesen
But it's so transparent.
Yeah.
It's legitimately so...
It's embarrassingly clear what he's doing.
And it is like, okay, there's a sensational headline that I'm going to tease throughout the show that is broadcast on some radio stations, and then in order to actually cover the story or whatever, I'm going to force people to get it on my own platform, try and migrate some of this away from that into my own market, and maybe a part of that, I don't know if it is necessarily, but like...
I did notice when I went to his website that there's a lot more MyPillow ads on the website stuff.
Maybe not on the radio shows, but on his website.
Mike Lindell seems to be getting involved in advertising.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
That's like him like, okay, I got this clip that's going to prove everything I'm going to say, and I'm going to play it.
All right.
And then you're like, okay, I got to go to the bathroom.
Okay, cool.
Oh, you came back.
I played the clip.
I played the clip when you were gone.
dan friesen
Oh, you just missed it.
jordan holmes
I just played the clip.
It proved everything I was saying.
Just continue to believe whatever I'm saying, but I just played the clip.
You want to hear it?
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
I've played the clip a hundred times.
Do I have to play it again?
jordan holmes
Listen, I don't have to do it.
I don't have to do it, but anyways.
Go to the bathroom again.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's really, really frustrating, and I hate it.
And we've seen this strategy play out, like, a bit.
Recently.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This weird, like, oh, didn't have time to do my thing.
I'm gonna do it in the other show.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's so annoying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I hate it.
So, you know, this episode was real dumb.
I mean, like, one of the things that I find very fascinating is that this idea that Alex had...
First of all, done six hours of research and somehow got dizzy because he had so much information or whatever.
And then he gets on air and one of the primary sources he uses is a tweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thumbs down.
jordan holmes
Took him a long time to find that tweet, though.
dan friesen
Thumbs down.
If he even did 20 minutes of preparation for the show, he could have found the underlying report that that tweet was referencing.
And not been a guy who's reporting on a tweet.
jordan holmes
It would not have been hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That would have been probably the thing that anybody would do if they cared.
jordan holmes
Anybody who cared.
dan friesen
And then he talks to Mike Adams about bullshit forever, but they have fun.
He's talking to that weirdo from Canada who wanted to start a weird school, but he doesn't talk about the weird school, and then he doesn't have time to get to his stories.
jordan holmes
Ah, I'm sorry.
I was having fun riffing with my buddy about imaginary scenarios that can't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it's just unacceptable if you imagine that he's serious about anything he's saying.
Like, if you actually think that he thinks there's value in getting these stories to people, then this is nonsensical.
But, on the other hand, if you recognize that he knows that the entertainment value is having Mike Adams scare people, then you kind of get the, like, oh, this is what drives sales as opposed to...
People being disappointed by news stories not living up to the way you're teasing them.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
It's him not...
You know, it's like...
The way we view it, if you cared about your show...
Then you would take the things that you say and then tooth it.
If you cared about your show, you would work on it.
You would prepare for it.
You would make sure things sounded good.
You would get a staff that can fucking keep your phone calls on air.
All of those things.
dan friesen
I would honestly suggest that if Alex could prove the things that he claims he could prove, he has a moral responsibility to do his job.
Like, he doesn't just have, like...
Financial incentive.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is an imperative that he do it.
And he can't, and he doesn't, and he couldn't.
jordan holmes
Here's the biggest problem, all right?
Because he can't, won't, and lies about it, right?
Then it becomes our moral imperative to fucking talk about it.
He's making us work for him.
That's what is happening.
That and any competent system of morality.
dan friesen
I guess if we think about it that way, it's nice to have a boss again.
Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.
I feel a little bit rusty this time.
unidentified
It's weird.
dan friesen
This is the longest time we've gone without recording an episode or seeing each other for quite a while.
jordan holmes
It's been a long, long time.
dan friesen
So I feel like I'm a little off my game.
I'm excited for our next episode.
I think we'll be a little bit more in the groove.
A little bit...
jordan holmes
I'm feeling happy.
dan friesen
Me too.
jordan holmes
I'm just feeling happy.
It was good to do the show.
It's good to get back.
I love this.
This is one of those, and you know...
dan friesen
Even if this is dumb bullshit, it's still great to...
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
It's one of those things where, man, vacation's great, but when you really love what you do, God, you miss working.
It's weird.
dan friesen
I mean, that's because...
jordan holmes
I don't do much.
unidentified
Yep.
Goddammit, I can't wait to get back to the office where I do nothing.
jordan holmes
Hey, when you get a good job, you can't be jealous of it.
Oh, you're going to kill me now.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Well, we'll be back with the ghost of Jordan.
No, we'll be back on Friday.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at gotobedjordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I am emotionally unbalanced and moody General Patton giving a very wishy-washy speech.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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